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Plans for post Covid NHS hatched behind the lockdown

John Lister

Debates over relaxing the lockdown and whether or not the peak of the Covid-19 crisis may now be behind us have run alongside fleeting glimpses of the surreptitious plans being laid to exploit the continued lockdown on NHS public meetings and spring a succession of unpleasant surprises on the NHS as soon as any recovery period begins.

As we go to press [May 14th] The Lowdown has also seen a letter from NHS England’s London Regional Director Sir David Sloman, sent out internally on April 29 but not published, requiring Integrated Care System Chairs and Senior Responsible Officers to take “urgent action” on system plans for London that “fundamentally change the way we deliver health and care.”

Each ICS is ordered to supply a “revised ICS plan” by Monday May 11. The letter spells out a 12-point list of issues on which bureaucrats in each area are supposed to devise new policy, on the hoof, for a “Recovery Board” meeting on May 13.

Even if the country was not on lockdown, this 12-day turn-round period for proposals on fundamental changes for a New Health and Care system for London, to be in place by November 2021, would indicate a complete disregard for any serious consultation or discussion.

But it’s clear from the way this is being done that any notion of public engagement or accountability is a very low priority afterthought. The accompanying Powerpoint presentation entitled ‘Journey to a New Health and Care System’ states that over the next 12-15 months they hope to keep public engagement to a bare minimum: “Include public and stakeholders in the process within the constraints of an emergency”.

It proposes mergers of admin and clinical support services, implying job losses, and a focus on getting people out of hospital as soon as possible – but with no details on how they should be supported after that.

Chances of seeing a health professional would be increasingly small, as primary care and outpatients seem set to become “virtual by default”.

Perhaps just as worrying is that while pushing through a whistle-stop process of planning, NHS England is only planning a snail’s pace return to previous levels of elective surgery: “a plan to restart routine elective care as outlined in the national guidance within 12 months”.

The Powerpoint slides also make clear NHS England is looking to use private hospitals to clear the waiting list that has grown so rapidly with months of cancelled elective operations.

There is no discussion of where the staff are to be found to carry out this additional work, or the added costs of prolonging the NHS block-booking of private beds (which have only been partially used during the Covid crisis, while tens of thousands of NHS beds have remained empty).

There is equally little if any consideration of mental health, community services, or the specific problems of social and racial inequalities.

Conspicuously as with every NHS reorganisation there is no attempt whatever to critically assess previous plans and proposals, and the extent to which so many plans since Sustainability and Transformation Plans in 2016 have disastrously focused on cost-cutting, reconfiguration and cutbacks in hospital services and capacity – and left the NHS in the capital and throughout England desperately ill-prepared, under-staffed and ill-equipped to deal with a pandemic of any scale.

Clearly the plan is to use jaunty new rhetoric of a “post-Covid NHS” to distract attention while NHS bosses covertly consolidate changes that have been accepted with minimal discussion to deal with the Covid crisis, but which would be controversial as a permanent arrangement.

The London Powerpoint makes this clear under the heading of ‘Innovation’; they see the task as being to: “Catalogue the innovations made,” and to “determine those to be retained; evaluate; plan for widespread adoption (e.g., virtual primary care, outpatients, remote diagnostics, new approaches to triage, workforce models, use of volunteers, remote working, pace and urgency to decision making, financial models)”.

NHS England bosses are keen to exploit the situation to short circuit any consultation, “stepping up the new borough-based ICPs” which are not public bodies and lack any statutory legitimacy, along with “streamlined decision-making” – in other words even less public consultation on anything.

While each ICS is required to catalogue “changes made to date,” they are also warned that “reversal requires London approval”.

So as the NHS eventually emerges from its biggest-ever crisis, campaigners will need to be proactive in preventing NHS England bosses steering it straight into a new system – designed without evaluation of the impact of the crisis measures or consultation with local communities, and without any public accountability.

Those who don’t share NHS England’s vision of the brave new post Covid NHS will need to “stay alert” and “protect our NHS”.

The Lowdown has previously highlighted the continued work of bureaucrats behind the scenes in South West London to drive through a controversial hospital reconfiguration that could halve numbers of acute beds – while all public meetings and discussions are paused.

These plans reach into Surrey, where the HSJ has now also revealed the newly merged Surrey Heartlands CCG starts life with an inherited deficit of £62m – confirming that the much vaunted recent cancellation of £13.4 billion of NHS debts related only to loans run up by trusts, and that the post-Covid financial regime seems set to be as tight as before.

originally published at Lowdown NHS
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Nixon Scraypes
Nixon Scraypes
May 23, 2020 1:58 PM

The language says it all, NLP nuspeak~ “streamlining decisions”sounds better than
” giving orders”. Hang on a minute, I must be off to meet my Common Purpose appointment for “reframing”.

Gizmo
Gizmo
May 23, 2020 11:33 AM

This is no surprise if you’ve read the 138 page NHS 10 year plan pdf.
Which details; Streamlining services, data implementation and funding.
When the ICT is fully implemented (by 2024), the child protection legislation will squat on top of it like an octopus, allowing “relevant” authorities to access your records. Which will include your genealogical records.

It’s an interesting, albeit dry read.
Just search NHS long term plan.

lewis
lewis
May 22, 2020 3:20 PM

This is not surprising given the war criminal historical /current record of UK government. Sadly the chickens are coming home to roost for the UK population who has been silent while their government commits war crimes and acts of aggression in foreign countries. Killing and mass murder are the hallmarks of UK foreign policy alongside its master US of A who owns the criminal evil empire. The UK is supporting terrorists in Syria, Somalia, Yemen, Congo, Dafur Sudan , Venezuela etc. and uses them to murder and kill innocent civilians to facilitate political subversion, sabotage, and looting natural resources in Congo, by its evil mining corporations.UK is drenched with blood of innocent women, children and men in forein lands and it should be tried under Nuremberg principles of International law for war crimes , genocide and mass murder.

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
May 23, 2020 8:11 AM
Reply to  lewis

You forgot the terrorists in Occupied Palestine.

lewis
lewis
May 25, 2020 2:26 PM

Thanks Richard, you are right. The Israhell terrorists occupying Palestine should also be tried for war crimes. They are bed fellows with ISIS Daesh and trains , funds them including treating them through criminal state Jordan. Terror state Israhell even shamelessly evacuated ISIS from Raqqa etc. to save their terror allies from Syrian arab army.

lewis
lewis
May 25, 2020 2:21 PM
Reply to  lewis

Join the discussion…

ron
ron
May 22, 2020 3:06 PM

matt hancock has 75% stake in Porton Biopharma

https://twitter.com/EdwardGledhill5/status/1263796732791607296/photo/1

Coronacrap
Coronacrap
May 22, 2020 9:46 AM

The wacky downvoters found an equally wacky admin.

Coronacrap
Coronacrap
May 22, 2020 10:32 AM
Reply to  Coronacrap

Obviously he’s “using” my comments for his
private joy that he’s withholding from you.

Poor boy. The usual idiots with their
downvotes don’t satisfy him. It takes
him over an hour to masturbate so far.

Coronacrap
Coronacrap
May 22, 2020 10:55 AM
Reply to  Coronacrap

The orgasm must have been so satisfying
that he fell asleep afterwards and even for-
got his “administrative” censorship duties.

Sophie - Admin1
Admin
Sophie - Admin1
May 22, 2020 10:57 AM
Reply to  Coronacrap

I think you have previously posted as Helge, Martin and several other names, and each time you post long threads of OT commentary, about Hollywood actors or other stuff, and ignore our polite requests for you to stop, until your posts are inevitably removed and you can complain of censorship.

Not sure if this is a personal quirk or attempts at disruption, but either way it just makes more work for us. Could you please not do this any more?

A bit of OT is fine, but long strings of rambling posts to yourself is not – and stuff about masturbation is sexual harassment.

I’m not a ‘he’ btw.

Paul
Paul
May 22, 2020 12:58 AM

Great article and the sick irony of this lunacy is that the NHS has now been absolutely obliterated.
Once the economic catastrophe gets into full swing we all know the Tories are going to throw the NHS under the bus and cut funding leading to an unprecedented health crisis in this country.
The missed diagnosis caused by this evil scam are going to lead to 10s of thousands of deaths and the mental health of the population caused by the suffering of mass redundancies, poor quality of life and even the sheep who will eventually realise they’ve been scammed are going to be scarred for life.
It’s going to be near impossible to get health care unless your privileged to afford private health care.
I think the weekly clapping ritual might fade very soon.

breweriana
breweriana
May 22, 2020 3:48 PM
Reply to  Paul

Thursday (yesterday) for the first time – I heard nothing – no clapping, cheering or pot banging. Happy days!

Paul
Paul
May 22, 2020 11:24 PM
Reply to  breweriana

Apparently next week will be the last as well. Thank goodness.
There are some great medical staff in NHS but it’s unforgivable that no one has spoken out publicly about current events.

Novicurious
Novicurious
May 21, 2020 11:30 PM

And Chris Whitty saying English death rate (all cause) is down to normal winter flu level now, but latest euromomo graphs say not ( especially in 15-64 year age group, where there appears to be a recent kick back upwards). Who to believe?
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2020/may/21/english-death-rate-now-at-normal-winter-levels-as-coronavirus-deaths-fall
https://www.euromomo.eu/graphs-and-maps

Novicurious
Novicurious
May 21, 2020 6:37 PM

Does anyone know why Worldometer is recording the number of new deaths in uk for 20th May as -525?
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/uk/

JudyJ
JudyJ
May 21, 2020 6:45 PM
Reply to  Novicurious

Intriguing. I’m not sure where the media gather their figures from but, out of interest, I had a look at the BBC red button news stream. Normally at this time every day it has a headline saying gleefully ‘xxx new coronavirus deaths reported today’. But there is nothing, and, not surprisingly, not even an explanation for a minus figure!

Novicurious
Novicurious
May 21, 2020 7:25 PM
Reply to  JudyJ

Well, it seems that either some people have been resurrected, which is great!, or someone’s admitted over-counting previous “cases” (surely not in an attempt to mislead, though!)

Novicurious
Novicurious
May 21, 2020 8:10 PM
Reply to  Novicurious

Sorry, not resurrected as “cases” not deaths. Got a bit giddy there!

Novicurious
Novicurious
May 21, 2020 7:26 PM
Reply to  JudyJ

The bbc hate good news, unless it’s fake good news!

John Pretty
John Pretty
May 21, 2020 6:14 PM

In an attempt to clarify this matter (and annoy dungroanin), I just want to again try to make clear the various terms:

“coronavirus” – a type of virus (a “bug”)

“covid19” – a type of coronavirus (“bug”)

“sars-cov2” – is the disease, that is to say the illness that the covid19 bug causes.

“sars” is an acronym standing for “severe acute respiratory syndrome”

~~~~~~~~~~~

This is similar to AIDS – an acronym for “Acquired Immune Deficiency Syndrome” which is the disease caused by (drum roll)

HIV : “Human Immunodeficiency Virus”

These diseases: “SARS” (cov2) and “AIDS” appeared before anyone knew what caused them. In both cases it later became clear that the cause was a virus which they decided to name “covid19” and “HIV”.

Dungroanin
Dungroanin
May 21, 2020 9:26 PM
Reply to  John Pretty

Look Pretty polly someone has told you to repeat a fake semantic. It is NOT the correct definition when you insist on parroting:

“sars-cov2” – is the disease, that is to say the illness that the covid19 bug causes.

You know it and people are seemingly happily buying tha basic LIE!

Liar liar pants on fire.
You are lying.
You know you are.

LIAR.

John Pretty
John Pretty
May 22, 2020 1:20 PM
Reply to  Dungroanin

lol, oh grow up.

I used to think you were okay. I’m not getting at you, only pulling your leg. I’ll avoid replying to your comments in future. All the best.

ame
ame
May 21, 2020 10:23 PM
Reply to  John Pretty

drum roll
never ever ever ever any evidence apart from big harma bullshit a saying that got repeated via media and then show us that hiv caused aids
what is apparent the drug AZT, or azidothymidine killed then on the death certification it was called as died aids relate illness (sound familiar)

there meds that suppress the immune system is the killer.

Office of the High Commissioner for Human Rights, Mary Robinson

The United Nations Centre for Human Rights, United Nations Office at Geneva
8-14 Avenue de la Paix
1211 Geneva 10, Switzerland

To all Heads of Government and all Heads of State

To all NGOs

Legal proceedings against the “Deutscher Bundestag”, the Parliament of the Federal Republic of Germany: Because of the intentional continuation of acts of killing and manslaughter (§ 220a StGB Germany) by the German Parliament.

During the last six years proofs have been collected for the following actions that have taken place inside Germany:

The State intentionally is using non-valid tests to persuade healthy persons to take a deadly long-term medication. The persons, being healthy before being tested die during the long-term-medication. The German Parliament, since years intentionally is securing that this crime continues.

Course of Events on January 15th 2001 at the District Court (Landgericht) of Dortmund:

Judge Hackmann announced the statement of the “Bundesgesundheitsbehörde”, the Federal German Health Authorities, which says that in connection with AIDS there has never been isolated a virus (Dr. Marcus, Robert-Koch-Institute (RKI) Berlin). The judge figured out that the German Bundestag had been backing the lie of the Federal Health Authorities (RKI, Dr. Marcus, 9.3.95) about a successful isolation of a virus in connection with AIDS in the course of a petition (Art. 17, Constitution of the Federal Republic of Germany, Pet. 5-13-15-2002-010526).

The trial was based on actions of the defendant which were caused by the misleading statement made by the RKI (Dr. Marcus) on the 9th March 1995, that there were photographs of the isolated HI-virus inside the publications of Montagnier (1983) and Gallo (1984). The judge proved the untruthfulness of this statement using Dr. Marcus‘ statement itself. The court imposed a suspended sentence of 8 months of jail because of attempted coercion of the authorities to adhere and act according to law and order.

The document of the German Bundestag DS 12/8591 holds proof that the Bundestag had already known in 1994 that neither Montagnier (1983) nor Gallo (1984) had isolated any virus in connection with AIDS. Based on this the Bundestag safeguarded the persistent lie of the AIDS information campaign (RKI) from 9th March 1995 about the successful isolation of a virus in connection with AIDS. As a consequence of non-tolerating this lie and because of non-tolerating the deadly consequences of this lie, the trial took place on 15th January 2001.

It is impossible – as far as laboratory conditions are concerned – to develop a valid Virus-antibody-test, if the virus has not been isolated before. Every layman understands that an individual proof for an infection with a virus is impossible, if the existence of the virus has never been generally proven. This knowledge of the German health authorities, that the tests are not validated, can be proven via the authorities‘ documents themselves. The error concerning the test’s validity is spread and supported by the authorities – against better knowledge.

With two more petitions the Bundestag safeguarded the default of the responsible authorities, not to carry out the law (§63 AMG, Stufenplan II), to do studies and observations to protect persons taking the AIDS-Medicine, the chemotherapy AZT (Pet. 5-13-15-2002-058744 and Pet. 5-13-15-212-023567a).

The health authorities and the Bundestag know that there will be no test method to prove an HIV-Infection, as long as HIV has not been isolated. And there is no doubt that AZT – as well as the HIV-medications in general – are deadly themselves when used as long-term-medication.

In the course of the proceedings of the petitions the Bundestag created an apparent peace of law – by means of deliberately untruthful statements. President of the German Parliament Wolfgang Thierse regards untruthful behaviour of this kind (as shown by the Bundestag) as being justified by the Bundesverfassungsgericht (Federal Constitutional Court). A videotape documenting an interview (28th June 1995) shows that his predecessor in office, Prof. Rita Süssmuth did know, that there had never been any proofs for a virus in connection with AIDS and that there are no proofs for the claims of infectivitiy.

Still pending in the Bundestag is the petition Pet. 2-14-15-212-02608. It is lodging a complaint against the legal authorities, which stayed passive after getting the attention of the proofs for these act of killings. Enclosed with the complaint were so many proofs, which had made it necessary for the Bundestag to take actions right after perusal, to stop the continuation of these acts of killings by the state. Within the last six months every single member of the German Bundestag was informed six times via mail about these acts of killing by the state.

The intention of the German Bundestag to safeguard killings by the state after gaining insight into the facts must be regarded as proven, especially because of the fact that several petitions were rejected by means of untruthful statements. The German Bundestag and every individual member of the Bundestag intentionally safeguards acts of killings by the state by deliberately misleading the public. Healthy people are intentionally lead into a deadly medication via tests with invalid results – and then die.

The criminal law of the BRD and especially § 220a StGB (Genocide) protects citizens from act of killings organised by a state which is deliberately misleading the public. It also protects the citizens binding the legal authorities to take actions after perusal. The prosecuting attorneys attended the trial on 15th January 2001 at the Landgericht Dortmund and learned about the facts – in front of the public. Their passivity afterwards serves as a further proof for their further intention in this matter. (LG Dortmund, Ns 70 Js 878/99 14(XVII) K 11/00)

Karl Krafeld and Dr. Stefan Lanka, Dortmund and Stuttgart, 14.3.2001

Science, Medicine and Human Rights (Wissenschaft, Medizin und Menschenrechte e.V.), Germany
Albrechtstr. 17, D-44137 Dortmund, 0711 2220601, [email protected]

for other studing of hiv and aids you can see this site:

http://www.virusmyth.net/aids/index/epapadopoulos.htm

The Greatest Medical Fraud in History – The Pain, Profit and Politics of AIDS

Lost in a dark wood
Lost in a dark wood
May 23, 2020 4:54 PM
Reply to  ame

Re: The Greatest Medical Fraud in History

Unfortunately, there is a long of list of contenders, but I would put the top three as vaccination, psychiatry and the suppression of natural and low-cost remedies.

ame
ame
May 23, 2020 6:10 PM

hi as it was a hiv aids type vibe this cv19 horseshit i kept it within the memory range even reminding people that according to the experts back then, one could catch it from cups toilets seats kissing eetc tc the psy ops with it was massive

in the past posts i have mention The Malleus Maleficarum,(witches manual) turned into the DSM (Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders)

suppression of natural and low-cost remedies. nature very good point
the organic market is huge and during the early days of cv19 corona, essential oils different mushrooms dietary vit c etc good loads of mention and also factcheckers did lots of deleting, the healths shop sold out fo many supplment i was surprised people would not go for they did. mind you saw loads of shit food brought and fresh fruit vege section in the shops usually half full.

thanks for your time

Nemo Nomark
Nemo Nomark
May 21, 2020 10:42 PM
Reply to  John Pretty

I tend to use “Bat Flu”, as in “Swine Flu” or “Bird Flu” when talking about it, that’s where it originated from, allegedly, from the “authorities”. It seems to give people pause for thought and a smile and has a demystifying effect, then I talk about deaths per head of population being similar to normal flu outbreaks, with percentages. The jargon around the virus is deliberately designed to confuse people so I find it best to avoid it if I can.

John Pretty
John Pretty
May 22, 2020 8:00 PM
Reply to  John Pretty

I have to correct this. I’ve got this the wrong way around. Sars-cov-2 is the virus, while covid19 is the disease.

I would have very happy to be corrected on this. I’m not interested in point scoring.

MLS
MLS
May 23, 2020 12:20 AM
Reply to  John Pretty

SarsCov-2 is the virus. Covid19, short for ‘Coronavirus disease’ is the illness notionally caused by SarsCov-2

Brian Sides
Brian Sides
May 21, 2020 5:56 PM

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2020/7/section/1/enacted
Meaning of “coronavirus” and related terminology
(1)In this Act—
“coronavirus” means severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2);
“coronavirus disease” means COVID-19 (the official designation of the disease which can be caused by coronavirus).
(2)A reference in this Act to infection or contamination, however expressed, is a reference to infection or contamination with coronavirus.
(3)But a reference in this Act to persons infected by coronavirus, however expressed, does not (unless a contrary intention appears) include persons who have been infected but are clear of coronavirus (unless re-infected

Yes one word with two meanings that when spoken or otherwise is easily confused with Corona Virus
That describes all the viruses in this group.

Is SARS-CoV-2 the virus or the infection or the symptoms.
SARS Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome
Severe Definition: of something bad or undesirable very great; intense
Acute Definition: of an unpleasant or unwelcome situation or phenomenon) present or experienced to a severe or intense degree.
These words Severe and Acute mean the same thing . Is not one of them redundant.
I suggest Acute Respiratory Syndrome Experience or ARSE. You should then be able to locate all ARSE’s providing you do not mistake them for elbows.

bob
bob
May 21, 2020 12:53 PM

“The Axios timeline below conveniently fails to mention the place and time that the first release of the COVID-19 virus happened when British bioweapon experts infected (via water) many of the participants at the Wuhan Military World Games in October of 2019. ”

https://theduran.com/british-covid-release-timeline-and-chinas-criminal-response/

https://patriots4truth.org/2020/05/11/british-covid-release-timeline-and-chinas-criminal-response/

Dungroanin
Dungroanin
May 21, 2020 1:53 PM
Reply to  bob

It is NOT a

COVID-19 virus

CV or SARS-CoV-2 is the virus.

Civid-19 is a disease caused by that virus.

bob
bob
May 21, 2020 2:09 PM
Reply to  Dungroanin

the point is, irrespective of the virus, the good ole brits may have had a hand in all this skullduggery – not unusually, the british security services along with the yanks want a war with china – that’s the point – i don’t give a f**k about a virus, real or imagined – deep state britain STINKS

Mike Ellwood
Mike Ellwood
May 21, 2020 4:06 PM
Reply to  bob

You know I keep reading these stories about how much skulduggery the British secret service is supposed to have achieved, and much as I think they are evil and corrupt, I wonder if they are as capable and competent as some people seem to be giving them credit for. I’d have thought they were too busy acting out their James Bond fantasies, and locking themselves inside sports back to actually achieve much on the international stage.

Sorry for linking to the DM, but the Clinton angle is interesting

Surely, they are little more than messenger boys for the CIA aren’t they?

Nemo Nomark
Nemo Nomark
May 21, 2020 11:03 PM
Reply to  Mike Ellwood

There are competent enough to have kept the kakkocracy that run things on this island in power for a thousand years, Mike. Don’t be fooled by 007 propaganda, they wrote it as a PR puff. They also helped the USA set up the CIA after WWII.

They are very good at their job, extremely well funded from both Government and Dark Money sources, penetrate every strata of British society, and have hundreds of years of reference work on the global stage to refer to.

Nemo Nomark
Nemo Nomark
May 21, 2020 11:04 PM
Reply to  Nemo Nomark

“They” are competent … , unlike my typing.

Dungroanin
Dungroanin
May 21, 2020 4:44 PM
Reply to  bob

want a war with china

Yeah…you hadn’t noticed that war has happened.

China WON.

The largest economy. A navy that rules the South China Sea. Built the biggest aircraft carrier by making an island!
Own many of our companies, own much of western government bonds.
Have major interests in the worlds commodity providers and infrastructure projects.
Linked it all together with their BRI.

Honestly- what more do you want to prove THAT war is OVER?

Chinese everywhere you look, being tourists? Missed that too?
Or do you want their millions of uniformed troops in London?
They could take Seul in a couple of hours and Australia in a couple days.

Poisoned the Chinese water!
🤣🤣🤣

John Pretty
John Pretty
May 21, 2020 12:44 PM

Looking for some relief from the viral madness I sought out some new things to try.

As our backward Compo put me in mind of Shakespeare’s foray into the world of Scottish medieval Independence I decided I might seek out some of the recipes that I seem to remember the great bard had recorded from that time.

Being descended from an eighteenth century baker (my namesake), I decided to try my hand at bread baking a couple of weeks ago. Could I get any yeast? Presumably it’s been touted as a cure for the deadly divoc … nope, not a chance.

Anyway, I managed to get hold of Shaky’s famous recipe book and found the following:

“Fillet of a fenny snake,
In the cauldron boil and bake;
Eye of newt and toe of frog,
Wool of bat and tongue of dog,
Adder’s fork and blind-worm’s sting,
Lizard’s leg and owlet’s wing,
For a charm of powerful trouble,
Like a hell-broth boil and bubble.”

Mmm, sound’s tasty. Jamie Oliver says his kids love it. I just wonder if Aldi will be able to supply the ingredients?

At any rate, I reckon I’ve more chance of getting those than getting any bloody yeast!

Mike Ellwood
Mike Ellwood
May 21, 2020 4:08 PM
Reply to  John Pretty

You will be lucky to get any flour if it’s the same as round our way.

John Pretty
John Pretty
May 21, 2020 6:01 PM
Reply to  Mike Ellwood

Oh, I was lucky with that Mike. I got some flour.

Cheezilla
Cheezilla
May 21, 2020 4:52 PM
Reply to  John Pretty

Certainly contains more protein than the average NHS dinner.

Dungroanin
Dungroanin
May 21, 2020 12:20 PM

How the Narrative is still being deliberately obfuscated in the media by the DS.

Most people read headlines and subconsciously absorb the ‘blipvert’.

Here is a perfect example from the Groans web FRONT page top story right now , it says:

“Coronavirus / Number of people with Covid-19 in England remains stable, says ONS”

Clicking on the link it takes you to the article:

“Number of people with coronavirus in England remains stable, says ONS”

SPOT THE DIFFERENCE?

John Pretty
John Pretty
May 21, 2020 12:27 PM
Reply to  Dungroanin

Not really Dung, do explain.

John Pretty
John Pretty
May 21, 2020 12:36 PM
Reply to  John Pretty

Are you highlighting the fact that covid19 is a type of coronavirus and the G is not being specific about this?

Most people think coronavirus = covid19. How many people had even heard of coronaviruses before this all kicked off? My guess is not that many.

I suppose they may be doing it so that they can scare people some more about coronaviruses (some of which cause colds), but then again they may not be.

SARS-CoV-2 seems to be the fancy name that they have given to the symptoms (the disease) that is caused by the covid19 bug.

All of this is very hard for the sheeple to grasp of course, which is part of the problem.

Dungroanin
Dungroanin
May 21, 2020 1:01 PM
Reply to  John Pretty

And you Pretty are parroting the propaganda and disinformation with

“SARS-CoV-2 seems to be the fancy name that they have given to the symptoms (the disease) that is caused by the covid19 bug.”

By deliberately changing the position of the disease and the virus in that statement.

New script? Or rehash?

John Pretty
John Pretty
May 21, 2020 1:11 PM
Reply to  Dungroanin

WTF are you on about?

George Mc
George Mc
May 21, 2020 2:05 PM
Reply to  John Pretty

What you meant was: WTFFFF are you on about.

John Pretty
John Pretty
May 21, 2020 1:12 PM
Reply to  Dungroanin

Got over your crush on the German Chancellor yet, Dung?

John Pretty
John Pretty
May 21, 2020 1:14 PM
Reply to  Dungroanin

And I’m not parrotting any propaganda.

John Pretty
John Pretty
May 21, 2020 1:40 PM
Reply to  Dungroanin

It was a genuine question dung. I just didn’t understand the point you were trying to make.

Dungroanin
Dungroanin
May 21, 2020 1:53 PM
Reply to  John Pretty

Do you now?

IANA
IANA
May 21, 2020 3:59 PM
Reply to  John Pretty

Far from it .. but the point he was making which is correct is that the virus is SARS-COV-2 while the symptoms or disease is Covid-19 and not the other way around.

Cheezilla
Cheezilla
May 21, 2020 4:51 PM
Reply to  Dungroanin

Clever, or a sub-editor needing to save column inches? Seeing as no other coronavirus illnesses are being logged, maybe the former.

Gwyn
Gwyn
May 21, 2020 12:10 PM

It boils my piss to a not-inconsiderable degree to hear the likes of Alexander Boris de Piffle Johnson banging on about ”protecting the NHS”, seeing as they’d complete its privatisation in a heartbeat if they were able to.

The great Aneurin Bevan was spot on when he described Tories as being ”lower than vermin.”

(I feel bad about mentioning those two people in the same comment. Sorry, Aneurin!).

Mike Ellwood
Mike Ellwood
May 21, 2020 4:26 PM
Reply to  Gwyn

Happy to add some more material about Nye to counterbalance the Piffle-merchant:

https://tidesofhistory.wordpress.com/2018/07/03/lower-than-vermin-the-story-of-bevans-quote-that-lives-on/

“The eyes of the world are turning to Great Britain. We now have the moral leadership of the world, and before many years are over we shall have people coming here as to a modern Mecca, learning from us in the twentieth century as they learned from us in the seventeenth century.”

That is why no amount of cajolery, and no attempts at ethical or social seduction, can eradicate from my heart a deep burning hatred for the Tory Party that inflicted those bitter experiences on me. So far as I am concerned they are lower than vermin. They condemned millions of first-class people to semi-starvation. Now the Tories are pouring out money in propaganda of all sorts and are hoping by this organised sustained mass suggestion to eradicate from our minds all memory of what we went through. But, I warn you young men and women, do not listen to what they are saying now. Do not listen to the seductions of Lord Woolton. He is a very good salesman. If you are selling shoddy stuff you have to be a good salesman. But I warn you they have not changed, or if they have they are slightly worse than they were.”

“But after today the weak will be entitled to clamour. After a while the newspapers in the hands of our enemies will give the impression that everything is going wrong. Don’t be deceived, it is then that they will start going right. We are the people to whom the people can complain. I shall be unmoved by the newspapers, but moved by the distress.”

“In 1945 and 1946, we were attacked on our housing policy by every spiv in the country – for what is Toryism, except organized spivery? They wanted to let the spivs loose.”

In 1950 we shall face you again with all our programme carried out. And when I say all, I mean all. I mean steel is going to be added, we are going to establish a new record: that of being the only British Government that ever carried out all its election promises.”

“We will set that resistance on one side. We shall meet the struggle because we know exactly what we want to do, and how the Tories will react to it.”

(my emphasis)

And they did pretty much achieve of of their 1945 manifesto by 1950, qnd it’s possible that they were somewhat out of ideas by then, and definitely tired. (Some of their stalwarts had died).

By the way, I have a biography of Aneurin Bevan, with a forward by Neil Kinnock. While saying some nice things about him there, I’ve also heard him criticise Nye, partly for the “vermin” speech, and, well, just going a bit too far, being a bit too socialist, as it were. No surprise there then from “Lord” Kinnochio.

To borrow a phrase from the US politician who unfavourably compared Edward Kennedy to JFK:

[addressed to Kinnock]”I knew Nye Bevan, and sir, you are no Nye Bevan!”

(Of course, I didn’t literally know Nye Bevan, but having read his biography and much else about him, I feel that I know him spiritually, and certainly admire him. And I am one more of those people whose life was saved by the NHS (in its very early days). Thank you Nye!).

Gwyn
Gwyn
May 21, 2020 5:37 PM
Reply to  Mike Ellwood

Excellent stuff, Mike. Thanks for that. What an inspirational man he was. And what a beautiful idea the NHS is. Little wonder that Tories despise it so much, seeing as they hate and attack anything that makes ordinary people’s lives more comfortable.

I’d quite like to know who the hell thought it a good idea to get Neil Pillock, of all people, to write the foreword to a biography of Aneurin Bevan. The ”Lord” is an embarrassment.

To my shame, I’ve never read any books by or about Nye. Still, better late than never; I’ve just ordered a copy of the first volume of Michael Foot’s biography of him. Thanks for giving me the idea of doing so. :o)

breweriana
breweriana
May 22, 2020 10:38 AM
Reply to  Mike Ellwood

“I am one more of those people whose life was saved by the NHS (in its very early days). Thank you Nye!” I echo that sentiment.

The doctor who attended me was called up from a public ‘phone box.
The doctor, an Indian as I recall, arrived on a bicycle to where I lived inside 20 minutes.
In another 5 minutes, he was making a call to the Infirmary from the same public call box, to tell them to send an emergency ambulance immediately.
Another 20 minutes later, I was under anaesthetic, being wheeled to the operating theatre.

No mobile phone, no laptop – just practised efficiency.

Brian Sides
Brian Sides
May 21, 2020 12:05 PM

I made a complaint to the BBC about its 24/7 Lies on the News about total Covid deaths , conflating those who died WITH covid and those who died FROM covid . But reporting instead all deaths FROM covid.
I pointed out that the BBC new this was a lie as its own Nick Triggle
BBC Health correspondent
“Is coronavirus causing the deaths?
The death figures being reported daily are hospital cases where a person dies with the coronavirus infection in their body – because it is a notifiable disease cases have to be reported.

But what the figures do not tell us is to what extent the virus is causing the death.
It could be the major cause, a contributory factor or simply present when they are dying of something else.”

As with all BBC replies to complaints . They do not admit doing anything wrong and asked for specific examples. As if the BBC does not know how the BBC is miss reporting the total deaths.

So I thought I would google examples of BBC miss reporting the total death numbers. Off which there must me thousands of examples,

But the results were very surprising
If you google covid deaths you get billions of hits . This translates int 14 pages with about 10 links per page.

But if you google covid deaths BBC you get millions of hits. But this translates into just 3 pages with 10 links or less per page. This is for reports for the whole world.

Re reading BBC Nick Triggle statement. I Just spotted something.
“The death figures being reported daily are hospital cases where a person dies with the coronavirus infection in their body – because it is a notifiable disease cases have to be reported.”

But the coronavirus infection is severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2)
The infection SARS-CoV-2 is not a notifiable disease.
It is the coronavirus disease COVID-19 that is a notifiable disease.
So if Covid-19 is being put on death certificates where some one has tested positive or suspected of having the infection SARS-CoV-2. Then this is an incorrect death certificate registration .

The best reference to the manipulation of the covid death numbers.
https://off-guardian.org/2020/05/05/covid-19-is-a-statistical-nonsense/

John Pretty
John Pretty
May 21, 2020 12:25 PM
Reply to  Brian Sides

I think you’ve highlighted one of the fundamental problems with this whole thing – information overload!

John Pretty
John Pretty
May 21, 2020 12:40 PM
Reply to  Brian Sides

“SARS-CoV-2” is the fancy name for the disease that is caused by the “covid19” bug.

Dungroanin
Dungroanin
May 21, 2020 1:19 PM
Reply to  John Pretty

And it’s not a ‘bug’ whlue you deliberately transpose virus and disease, again!
🤣🤣🤣

John Pretty
John Pretty
May 21, 2020 1:28 PM
Reply to  Dungroanin

Jesus Chris!

Yeah, I used the word “bug” in place of the word “virus”. It’s just informal language. If I want to call it a bug, I’ll call it a bug.

I just think it’s boring using the word “virus” all the time.

Covid 19 is a coronavirus.

SARS-CoV-2 is the disease cased by the virus covid19

I don’t see how this is controversial. Correct me if I am wrong dung. If you know better that’s fine. I am here to learn and discuss.

Dungroanin
Dungroanin
May 21, 2020 2:02 PM
Reply to  John Pretty

Lol, George, you like to call it a ‘ bug’ just like you like to make a ‘prediction’ which has been previuosly predicted !

As you know and deliberately are lying – just like the Guardian is –

COVID-19 is the DISEASE caused by the Corona VIRUS.
(Not the other way round as you keep falsely and deliberately posting).

Just as AIDS is the diease caused by the virus HIV.

Thanks for letting me state it again.

One more time round the block George? Bring it.

George Mc
George Mc
May 21, 2020 6:02 PM
Reply to  Dungroanin

Umm, his name is John. I’m not even in this argument. Unless you’re thinking about Mr Galloway?

Mike Ellwood
Mike Ellwood
May 21, 2020 4:41 PM
Reply to  John Pretty

SARS-CoV-2 is the disease cased by the virus covid19

John, much as it pains me to side with Dungroanin against you, on this one, you do have it the wrong way around. Go away (I mean that nicely) and do some checking.

The naming was a bit of a mess, as I’ve heard even from some official (virologist) sources. e.g. the original SARS virus and disease were both referred to as SARS (severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus), and since the new one has come along, some people now refer to the old one as SARS-CoV-1, although I don’t know how official that is.

https://www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019/technical-guidance/naming-the-coronavirus-disease-(covid-2019)-and-the-virus-that-causes-it

Cheezilla
Cheezilla
May 21, 2020 4:46 PM
Reply to  John Pretty

John, I think it’s the other way round. Sars-cov-2 is the bug and covid 19 is the disease it causes.
Actually, this makes the reporting even more nefarious because, surely, you can die WITH the bug but only OF the disease itself.

Dungroanin
Dungroanin
May 21, 2020 9:10 PM
Reply to  Cheezilla

What ‘bug’ ?

gordon
gordon
May 21, 2020 12:03 PM

i was on the bus yesterday near the bus stop a sign said

protect the nhs
stay home

hey guys cum on help the nhs
not come cum
very odd
it said something about a food drop
a food collection
for the nhs and suffering families.
suffering?

guys do your bit it said

i did not have time to read it all as the bus moved on

but i did read tins are great no milk no diary

confused i was
the nhs gets 200 billion a year the private companies running the partnerships charge 5 quid for a light bulb and 10s of millions in rent since tory blair sold off the buildings.
the nhs is the biggest employer in europe

they have killed many of my friends and family doctors and nurses do a job or not as the case maybe
doctors are big pharma drug dealers on the make and are liars

200 billion yet they want tinned goods from me they have the cheek to use the term guys?

they wanted me to give them food by staying home they wanted me to protect them by taking my diseased food and

i thought milk was diary
then again i am not a g4s,serco.amazon,google,microsoft,virgin,dyson gates nhs army doctor

Julie
Julie
May 21, 2020 11:27 AM

War on Carbon, Brexit and Covid are all operations to destroy our economy and make the population surplus to requirements.

If you wanted the economy shut down before you reduce the population by 80% whilst ensuring all the lights are turned off and the everything is tidy, this is how you would do it.

John Pretty
John Pretty
May 21, 2020 11:58 AM
Reply to  Julie

I quote you:

“If you wanted the economy shut down before you reduce the population by 80%”

Why would anybody actually want to do that?

One problem I have with assertions such as this is that you seem to think that the chaos and social disorder that would result from this is something not only that “elites” would want, but is something that could not affect them.

I do sympathise with your position, but this is beyond rational and even for the most malevolent, utterly impossible to achieve.

Most of these “elite” people who you fear are utterly incompetent idiots.

hope
hope
May 21, 2020 12:34 PM
Reply to  John Pretty

Indeed there is no monolithic “elites”. However, a drastic population reduction agenda has been on the table for some years now. Id have to look for the documents that discuss this, as its been some time I have consulted them. This took further shape with the development of AI, because of which, some may consider large parts of societies as superfluous, and a burden. The problem is malevolent people exist and even many among the kindly among some elite groups have believe me utter contempt for others.

At the moment various agendas from various groups may be both complementing as well as clashing. The fact is as you say, considering oneself so much more intelligent than the rest of humankind is in itself idiotic. Hence the best planned agendas may fail. History always has the last laugh. So best to observe and let it unfold, and staying alert, protect oneself , and keep our humanity alive throughout the next years.

julie
julie
May 21, 2020 12:55 PM
Reply to  John Pretty

Why would anyone kill 6million jews gays gypsies and sociaists? You tell me. Population reduction is common currency with the environmentalist and the far right in the US. You have just seen the british government murder thousands of the old, the will is there, i’m just changing the scale.

John Pretty
John Pretty
May 21, 2020 1:01 PM
Reply to  julie

“You have just seen the british government murder thousands of the old”

I’m no fan or friend of Boris Johnson. But again, this is not reality.

As for Hitler. I daresay he may not have been a big fan of socialists, but they weren’t on his hit list, so far as I am aware.

Arsebiscuits
Arsebiscuits
May 21, 2020 2:31 PM
Reply to  John Pretty

Genocided millions of Irish too in the 1800s and beyond

Dungroanin
Dungroanin
May 21, 2020 4:30 PM
Reply to  John Pretty

Playing being thick today Pretty Polly?
💩

Arsebiscuits
Arsebiscuits
May 21, 2020 2:30 PM
Reply to  julie

Nazi’s would.

The Coming Revolution
The Coming Revolution
May 21, 2020 5:37 PM
Reply to  julie

You wonder about it only because it is something of the past, which now, from a distance appears horrendous and it obviously is; but back then it was maybe not perceived like that. It may even not have been a question against certain people at the start, but you know, the mind is a very slippery customer if you don’t watch it. It can start from a perfectly laudable statements like “We all want a peaceful world”, uttered by political figures, and end with millions of people jumping at each other’s throats.

Insanity is a perfectly rational adjustment to an insane world. Normal men have killed 100 million of their fellow men in the past 50 years. – R. D. Laing

The Coming Revolution
The Coming Revolution
May 21, 2020 7:13 PM

How these atrocities could happen? Blind obedience to authority and dividing the whole action into several little responsibilities. The director of prison is only doing his administrative job as always; the soldier driving the prisoners to their place of executions is only doing his job of a driver, the responsible for supplies buying the ingredients for the bombs till be dropped on cities isn’t doing anything extraordinary really, etc. The final dirty work is of course given to remorseless and cruel executioners. Of course it’s the current social and political organisation in countries that makes possible this division of responsibilities.

But the key here is blind obedience. It is giving up to so called authorities and experts, one’s common sense first of all, then one’s ability to think, ponder, and make one’s own, and therefore responsible, decision.

The Milgram’s experiment had insights on this.

Arsebiscuits
Arsebiscuits
May 21, 2020 2:30 PM
Reply to  John Pretty

They want to turn England into Scotland population wise.

Julie
Julie
May 21, 2020 10:44 AM

How extreme the measures in your country is a measure of how high your country’s elites are prepared to jump for their masters in the US deep state.

The more extreme the destruction of your own economy, the more loyal the elites are to their US masters. Of course the UK is in total destruction mode.

Arsebiscuits
Arsebiscuits
May 21, 2020 11:00 AM
Reply to  Julie

Same in Ireland

deep throating globohomo cock.

Julie
Julie
May 21, 2020 11:21 AM
Reply to  Arsebiscuits

globalhegemon cock perhaps.

Geoff
Geoff
May 21, 2020 11:01 AM
Reply to  Julie

Thanks to the idiots who were led by the hand to vote for Brexit, did they not see this was going to happen?

Julie
Julie
May 21, 2020 11:16 AM
Reply to  Geoff

The US would have turned us into Venezuela if we had not complied with Brexit, that is the reality of the US’s asset stripping of the world today.

The financial wealth extraction from the UK is now going to be tremendous. The 27 billion they stole from RBS and the 100 billions they extract for the useless Trident is going to look like chicken feed.

They will be stealing all surplus wealth from the UK, because they can…….. surplus to us feeding ourselves that is.

Thom
Thom
May 21, 2020 2:47 PM
Reply to  Geoff

Brexit was another wolf-in-sheep’s clothing just like the coronavirus – cloaked not in the NHS but in ‘democracy’ and ‘patriotism’. Complete with similar suspension of democracy (Parliament prorogued), divisive gas-lighting of the public, industrial-scale lies, theatrical but meaningless ‘debate’ and – what a coincidence – the same treacherous prat in charge.

Geoff
Geoff
May 21, 2020 3:37 PM
Reply to  Thom

Spot on!

TFS
TFS
May 21, 2020 10:40 AM

What I marvel at is the complete and utter apathy shown to this government.

By any stretch of the imagination:

1) The Government and the NHS should have made public all details about the NHS Pandemic Test carried out in 2016.
2) The Government should have made public, the code for Neil Ferguson modelling.

Am I really looking at the people of this country standing by for another 10yrs before a Public Inquiry takes place?

Give all members of Parliament the vaccine, get them into work. First job, setup a public inquiry.

Steve Hayes
Steve Hayes
May 21, 2020 11:57 AM
Reply to  TFS

The conclusion of the Cygnus Exercise of 2016 was that the NHS would be overwhelmed by a global pandemic. If they had published this, the opposition would have used it to demand an end to austerity and an expansion of NHS capacity: the very opposite of the government’s policy.

As to Ferguson, the useless code is the least of it. No one who is scientifically literate thinks that the outcome of a computer model is anything other than the mathematically inevitable result of the assumptions. The result of a computer model is not evidence about the world.

TFS
TFS
May 21, 2020 1:12 PM
Reply to  Steve Hayes

And yet apathy is king.

There should be petition before Parliament when it restarts, to formulate a plan for a Public Inquiry.

This ‘New Normal’ will be used to drag out starting this, but the Inquiry can be split into phases.

Phase 1, could start within months of Parliament re-starting. People already have enough questions to ask of this Government already.

Arsebiscuits
Arsebiscuits
May 21, 2020 2:32 PM
Reply to  TFS

A pathetic king indeed.

Reg
Reg
May 21, 2020 10:38 AM

Off topic but this is an excellent three-minute video by Lincoln of performance art on a New York park bench.

Gwyn
Gwyn
May 21, 2020 11:31 AM
Reply to  Reg

Ha. After arriving home feeling a bit annoyed due to having to stay at work for an extra hour and a half because a colleague was late, that clip’s put a smile on my face. Ta muchly, Reg.

ThereisaGod
ThereisaGod
May 21, 2020 9:50 AM

A TRUE Medical Doctrine (from German New Medicine, which refutes [and disproves] the existence of germs and viruses as causes of illness in humans):

“In the reality of the body and its mechanisms, there is no place for malignant hypothetical processes.

All biological processes, including those that can end in suffering, pain and death, are originally meant to

be useful.”

Another way of saying this is that God is neither malign nor stupid.

ame
ame
May 21, 2020 9:26 AM

the good news as of yesterday the government and it private sector mates fully owns your body
upon death under the guise of helping others with organs bulllllllshiiiittttttttt!!
dont you worry your parts will be used with AI / dna firms rich folk’s who need a new kidney lung blood tissues transplant etc of course nor forgetting rituals it called necromancy but today called techomancy (conscious in to machines) ask Kurzweil, musk or hancock about it and the NHS is a perfect vessel literally.
they dont hide it no more.

IT may YOUR organs even be use to find a cure for the deadly CV19 virus wow !!!!!

silly ame always with her conspiracy theories

opt out details enclosed
When did the opt out system start?
The new system came into effect in England on 20 May 2020, after the Organ Donation (Deemed Consent) Bill received Royal Assent on 15 March 2019.
 https://www.organdonation.nhs.uk/helping-you-to-decide/about-organ-donation/faq/what-is-the-opt-out-system/

2017 scientist where able to generate electric from blood they developed a fluidic nanogenerator fiber from an aligned carbon nanotube sheet to generate electricity from any flowing water source in the environment as well as in the human body. 
https://www.inverse.com/article/36255-blood-harvest-electricity

ame
ame
May 21, 2020 9:30 AM
Reply to  ame

all adults in England will be considered an organ donor when they die unless they had recorded a decision not to donate

breweriana
breweriana
May 21, 2020 10:34 AM
Reply to  ame

It’s theft.

A dead body does not belong to anyone: under Common Law, it belongs to the Earth.

Only immediate relatives have any responsibilities concerning it.

jay
jay
May 21, 2020 12:30 PM
Reply to  breweriana

The “State” assumes the role of God…all for the “greater” good…
I’m not going to have my gibblets sold to the highest bidder, I will certainly “opt” out.

breweriana
breweriana
May 21, 2020 5:02 PM
Reply to  jay

‘Opt out’ and you let them off the hook. Given that they can change the laws at any time now, to say whatever they like, your opt-out signature would not be worth the paper it’s written on.

No. Let them take my bits when I’m gone, and the world can then see them for the grave robbers they are.

Common Law is on my side on this one. St. Peter can appeal it for me. The State will be represented by Burke and Hare.

Nemo Nomark
Nemo Nomark
May 21, 2020 10:01 PM
Reply to  breweriana

Yes, Burke and Hare were sub-contractors for members of the Royal College of Surgeons as I recall. The Hunterian Museum of Anatomy has many exhibits taken from stolen bodies, check out the story of the Irish Giant, Charles Byrne, who died in the late 18th Century. Despite not wanting his body dissected after death, and publicly expressing this wish, he was duly ignored by the noble members of the RCS.

Same sh*t, different a***holes.

Nemo Nomark
Nemo Nomark
May 21, 2020 10:04 PM
Reply to  Nemo Nomark

I wondered why they retired the White Helmets …

gordon
gordon
May 21, 2020 12:10 PM
Reply to  ame

you have to join the database to opt out
nice

soylent green is not a joke

you will be used as flavours flavors

look up Senomyx of california i think

the skies are full of trails
liquidized atomized
human

is it not

jay
jay
May 21, 2020 9:24 AM

Boris Johstone went on television at the begining of this nonsense and gave no indication that would it last longer than 3 weeks. The inference was all too clear.
That night, half of my wife’s collegues who were listening to Him will soon be made redundant. In giving this man their tacit approval, they had no inclination that they wouldn’t be back to work. Some of them had been in the same job for 30 years or more. Good, steady work that pays a real living wage that an uneducated, untrained person could do. A family owned, 113 year production concern, benign, ethical and old school decent toward their workers.
The fact that the dole would await them months later was inconceivable to them.
Lies By Omission
My wife went back to work a few weeks ago, She is a superviser. Hard decisions are being made by the management right now. People who are volunteering to come back are being refused, the social distancing rules mean that they already are at capacity. Many, having been fearmongered by Johnstone and His Squealers were too afraid to return.
Boris’s sucker punch only now hits them full force in the guts, they are now begining to realise that after years in their job, they are now finished…
Just up the road from is a Rolls Royce plant, 9000 redundances across the company have just been announced. We have Glasgow Airport, that will be hit too.
What is Boris like unto?
A Fool once Had a valuable violin, until one day, He saw a fly on His Child’s head. Without thought He picked up the violin and lashed out, thinking to squash the bug. The violin breaks in two on His little Childs head who then collapses with a broken skull. The fly escapes.

breweriana
breweriana
May 21, 2020 10:37 AM
Reply to  jay

God gives them a brain to think with; they do not use it, and refuse to listen to others who point out facts.

Obvious how this will end – very badly.

jay
jay
May 21, 2020 12:24 PM
Reply to  breweriana

Clubbed like baby seals by people who are trained and paid to plan evil…

Cheezilla
Cheezilla
May 21, 2020 4:06 PM
Reply to  jay

and exhorted to clap like seals on Thursdays

ThereisaGod
ThereisaGod
May 21, 2020 9:18 AM

Robert F Kennedy Reports on reality of Gates’ Vaccine

https://www.sott.net/article/434763-Disaster-20-of-Modernas-human-test-subjects-sustained-severe-injuries-from-Gates-Fauci-coronavirus-vaccine

The entire media will work like ants to sell us whatever shit Gates’ finally comes up with.

There is NO virus:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fvcEIarencM&t=2s

Simple fact. Viruses are not alive. They cannot reproduce. Therefore the idea of these things entering our bodies and replicating madly to make us very sick MUST be wrong … even before everything else is considered.
One litre of seawater contains 100 million viruses, yet swimming in the sea is seen as “good” for us. Surely every such dip would represent a threat to our very lives if viruses caused sickness in humans in the manner described?

The above analysis does not go into these issues. It examines the issue in the context of something called “Koch’s Postulates” regarding how a medical premise must be proven to be true before being accepted. The virus model fails on every count.

Astonishing is the power of media repetition and “professional” compliance to unproven, imposed (and false) doctrines.

The virus story is b*llox. Therefore the “lockdown” is also b*llox.

People REALLY, REALLY need to understand this.

Julie
Julie
May 21, 2020 10:38 AM
Reply to  ThereisaGod

You are blaming the producers of Zyklon B for the holocaust. Gates is a supplier, not the instigator.

ThereisaGod
ThereisaGod
May 21, 2020 11:38 AM
Reply to  Julie

Are you really suggesting Gates (with all the hundreds of millions he spends on pushing vaccines) doesn’t understand what he is doing?

Are you suggesting that when he said, “By careful use of vaccines we can reduce the world’s population by 15%, that he didn’t mean that too? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IkcZTh9peI4

Regarding Zyklon B (about which you obviously know nothing), watch this young Jewish American, David Cole, investigating this issue by visiting Auschwitz and speaking to its ‘Director’ in 1991:

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
May 23, 2020 8:20 AM
Reply to  Julie

No, Gates is the Eichmann figure, the organiser.

ame
ame
May 21, 2020 2:04 PM
Reply to  ThereisaGod

drain the swamp for brainwashed
Dr Moncef Slaoui, a former pharma executive, was announced last week as a lead figure in President Donald Trump’s push for a coronavirus vaccine.
https://www.businessinsider.com/moncef-slaoui-leading-trump-vaccine-push-10m-holding-moderna-conflict-2020-5?r=US&IR=T

Lost in a dark wood
Lost in a dark wood
May 21, 2020 4:22 PM
Reply to  ThereisaGod

As a point of clarification, your post may create the impression that RFK disputes the reality of viruses. As far as I’m aware, RFK has never made any such claim.

ThereisaGod
ThereisaGod
May 21, 2020 4:27 PM

OK, thanks. He just says they are very dangerous and often seriously harmful. I’m saying what Dr Andrew Kaufman and German New Medicine says …. that they are created to fix something that does not exist.

Rhys Jaggar
Rhys Jaggar
May 21, 2020 4:51 PM
Reply to  ThereisaGod

You need to understand that you are an uneducated cretin.

Viruses can and do reproduce, every day of every year. They do it in bacteria (the ones called bacteriophages), they do it in plants (try tobacco mosaic virus?), they do it in animals (try Feline Leukaemia Virus) and they do it in humans (try the common cold virus?)

The whole DNA revolution started through using the tools of bacteriophages to sequence DNA. Ever heard of M13? Without it, DNA sequencing would have had to wait 15 years until PCR was invented.

All the early genetic analysis was done using libraries constructed in bacteriophage lambda.

You need to go and read all the history of how science researchers used viruses to further knowledge about biology.

ThereisaGod
ThereisaGod
May 21, 2020 6:21 PM
Reply to  Rhys Jaggar

I should have said self-replicate.

That doesn’t change the fact that viruses have NEVER been demonstrated to exist in human tissue and hence fail to satisfy Koch’s (necessary) Postulates as a CAUSE of illness.
If scientists proceed from a false assumption they have the intelligence to extrapolate cleverly but that does not make the original assumption correct.

http://wissenschafftplus.de/uploads/article/Dismantling-the-Virus-Theory.pdf

Our bodies were not designed by God as battlegrounds any more than the earth itself is necessarily a battleground other than humans (at the top) have decided that it is in their interests that it be so. In the same way it serves the interests of our rulers in numerous ways that this (and other) false dogmas are imposed on the mass mind via their owned instruments (the political/media class)

Be careful with the abuse, by the way. you are not the only one able to hand it out.

It hurts to be contradicted, but you are not as clever as you think you are and if you continue in this vein you will demonstrate that neither are you even honest.

Demonstrate how the PCR test for COVID-19 (or any other virus) fulfils Koch’s Postulates and I will concede defeat.

Just in case you don’t know what they are … here, just for you:

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
May 23, 2020 8:19 AM
Reply to  ThereisaGod

Viruses ‘cannot reproduce’ A litre of seawater, however, contains 100 million viruses. So, how did they get there? Are they immortal, or do they pop into existence through ‘spontaneous creation’?

ThereisaGod
ThereisaGod
May 23, 2020 3:51 PM

The word “reproduce” isn’t quite right.
I meant to say “self-replicate”. Viruses assist is keeping lower-order life-forms healthy but they are parasitical inasmuch as they use the host to reproduce themselves (without harming that host). So … it appears that viruses are not harmful.

Furthermore, no one has been able to fulfill Koch’s postulates of causation regarding viruses being the cause of disease in humans (or animals or plants). They never have been (and cannot) be isolated from human tissue.
Dr. Stefan Lanka, a German virologist who who was one of the first to assert this, has challenged the medical world to prove him wrong putting up a prize of 100,000 Euros to anyone who can do so. he still has his money.

Why should we believe something that no one can prove is true?

Why should we believe that COVID-19, whatever it is, is contagious in the usual human-to-human sense when all experiments with influenza victims demonstrated non-contagion (via the most intimate bodily-fluid-exchange contact) and while there is an alternative explanation (E/M radiation) that explains such ‘contagion’ in a very simple and obvious manner?

When discussion of this cause as a possibility IS FORBIDDEN by the political mainstream class have we not a right to feel suspicious about such enforced avoidance of the issue?

If we can see a very powerful motive for our rulers lying about the mortal dangers of E/M radiation (the threat to Corporate profits and all technological development, including the development of “the [obviously much desired, surveillance state”), then IS IT NOT SENSIBLE, FOR THE PURPOSE OF OUR OWN SURVIVAL, THAT WE SHOULD CHOOSE TO BELIEVE THAT WE ARE BEING LIED TO (as usual) UNTIL THIS PREMISE IS DEMONSTRATED [BY TRUSTED SCIENTISTS ] TO BE FALSE?

Prediction: It won’t be proved false.

Never.

Painful experience demonstrates that liars never engage fairly with argument. They merely abuse, mock, manipulate fools and frauds and try to force us to recognise “authority” by wheeling out their owned “experts”, the kind of people who will, with a straight face, tell you that this:

… happened [to WTC7 on 9/11] because of a few small fires (that you can’t see) on the far side of the building.

“Truth” will continue to be established in the public mind via the interminable repetition of lies until WE change this reality.

George Mc
George Mc
May 21, 2020 8:31 AM

Here’s my prediction for the next phase:

• There will be an easing of the lockdown.
• This easing will lead to a vast upsurge in mortality figures (since these figures are infinitely malleable, this will not be difficult to produce).
• This “horrific new spike” will lead to vehement protests from the “oppositional” media for a reinstatement of the lockdown
• The new lockdown will be much more draconian than the old (now that we have “learned our lesson”)

And most significantly:

• There will be a vicious denunciation of all “COVID deniers” who have now been “irrefutably” proven to be “wrong” and indeed “dangerously irresponsible”. Therefore, for the sake of public safety, there will be a silencing of all counter narratives.

Arsebiscuits
Arsebiscuits
May 21, 2020 8:33 AM
Reply to  George Mc

Sweden.

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
May 23, 2020 8:25 AM
Reply to  Arsebiscuits

Sixth highest death-rate per capita on Earth, nine times that of Norway. A success?

Dungroanin
Dungroanin
May 21, 2020 9:19 AM
Reply to  George Mc

George you grandiosley claim:

Here’s my prediction ..

It is not YOUR prediction.

It has been stated quite a while ago as ‘the hammer and the dance’;

It has also been modelled by scientists and mathematicians as how to get out of ‘lockdown’ – i have linked to the research studies weeks ago!

Why have you claimed it for yourself George? Trying to cover your tracks? The new narrative script?

You aren’t fooling anyone – and only your echo chamber fellow choristers will be praising your deceit.

George Mc
George Mc
May 21, 2020 11:39 AM
Reply to  Dungroanin

Well it is MY prediction because I never heard about it from anywhere else. But I find it curious that given the seriousness of the pandemic claim, the halting of the economy and restructuring of society, you seem to be more concerned with copyright issues.

Dungroanin
Dungroanin
May 21, 2020 1:07 PM
Reply to  George Mc

“Never heard about it from anywhere else”

And here am I thinking you pay plenty of attention to all the virus stories here?

Maybe a selective blindness?
Billy Liar syndrome?

George Mc
George Mc
May 21, 2020 2:13 PM
Reply to  Dungroanin

No Dung, I haven’t managed to catalogue or even access the Himalayan mountain range of virus verbiage that gets vomited up every second. That is not a lie. Nor can I even say I’m being selective. I am just defending myself from schizophrenic saturation. In any case, why are you so fixated on irrelevant side issues like who came up with what first? If a newsreader came on with how a nuclear warhead was speeding towards us, you’d be obsessing over the colour of his cufflinks.

Thom
Thom
May 21, 2020 9:19 AM
Reply to  George Mc

My prediction is that the rules are all quietly watered down and then forgotten. I think the talk about ‘second wave’ etc is just the elites trying to save face. Plus, without the element of surprise the second time, they would be lost.

Willem
Willem
May 21, 2020 9:30 AM
Reply to  Thom

‘My prediction is that the rules are all quietly watered down and then forgotten’

Reminds me of a song…

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rhIp0SG1Rcw

On n’oublie rien de rien
On n’oublie rien du tout
On n’oublie rien de rien
On s’habitue c’est tout…

=

We don’t forget anything about anything
We forget nothing at all
We don’t forget anything about anything
We get used to it, that’s all

——

I don’t think we get used to it though, not this time. So we are up to On n’oublie rien de rien On n’oublie rien du tout and we have to return to something that is more normal than the failed system of neoliberalism

Mike Ellwood
Mike Ellwood
May 21, 2020 12:27 PM
Reply to  Thom

My prediction is that the rules are all quietly watered down and then forgotten.

I thought that too, at first. I think I was too complacent, and also too much believing in the common sense of people. But clearly, too many people believe in the fear propaganda, and of course they take the virus-infection-contagion paradigm as a gospel truth, handed down by god and chiselled into tables of stone by Moses.

I was talking on the phone today to the owner of a very small business, who is managing to keep going with a very restricted “phone and collect” service. But he actually thinks the country is in danger of “opening up” too soon. His GP nephew has convinced him that hordes of symptom-free Sars-CoV-2 carriers are going round with it laying dormant in their bodies, only to infect people with it later. Or something.

I think the talk about ‘second wave’ etc is just the elites trying to save face.

Again, I would like to think this true, but it appears I was wrong before.

Plus, without the element of surprise the second time, they would be lost.

Well, maybe, but the message about the second wave has been repeated so many times now that it will also be believed as axiomatically true. So if death rates from heart disease or sunstroke or cancer, etc suddenly start rising, the increased total death numbers will appear to confirm the second wave, because most people won’t look too closely at the numbers. Whereas in reality it may be post-lockdown effects, unrelated to any virus.

Cheezilla
Cheezilla
May 21, 2020 3:57 PM
Reply to  Thom

I hope you’re right

Willem
Willem
May 21, 2020 9:19 AM
Reply to  George Mc

Well, when you try to change the course of a river with dykes and dams, we Dutchmen know, there is a high possibility that the dykes and dams will break and the river will run free.

When you try to change the course of a narrative with censoring and confirmation bias, there is a high chance that the censoring and the confirmation bias will break and the narrative will run free.

I hate to say it, but there is a reason why there is free speech. That is that as long as we talk, we may feel mighty, but for sure will not change the course of the narrative as that can only be done with force.

And force is not (necessarily) knives and pitchforks, but also: not following the narrative and move along in a separate way.

Mike Ellwood
Mike Ellwood
May 21, 2020 12:28 PM
Reply to  Willem

Civil disobedience.

hope
hope
May 21, 2020 1:07 PM
Reply to  Willem

Willem I think in another post further down you mention your desire of quitting academia.
If you will allow me some advice as someone who has resigned a professorship some years ago:
As I said, there has been a mediocratization in progress, and indeed you shouldnt expect
much. However, if you are able to continue your own work, without being hampered, if you love your own work, then just ignore the others. There still are good honest scientists and academics, they may be isolated and not heard, and not get grants, possibly try and find them and see if you can get a position in their universities. It is evidently easier to resign from a tenured position than a non-tenured one as its not then overnight, you may be able to, as I got, be given some years of paid leave at least from teaching duties, which then makes it easier to be physically away from possibly an uncongenial place. It depends on countries and their rules.

So I would say think carefully about it because as you say you go from a good salary
overnight to 0. What counts is how you feel about your work, not about the others around
you. In my case, I naturally had begun to write about issues not directly connected to my research, and without my noticing, I slowly spent more time on my writing than my research. Still I wouldnt have resigned as its usually possible to just continue teaching, and
write on whatever you wish. But in my case I first faced a situation of corruption
where I was on the receiving end, and refused to accept what was being offered. This made relations very bitter. Still I went on elsewhere, i.e. was offered a position in other place, then I faced another situation of corruption there (corruption appears to be quite common in academia, most people dont directly partake in it, but just look the other way), thats when I took a leave. Its during the leave period that I somehow came to write. I was lucky to find a
publisher before my leave was over, and so I sent in my resignation when it ended.

All this to say, without serious reasons, like corruption and harassment, try to find ways to stay on: academia does allow room to do other things besides. Dont pay attention to colleagues, and try to find congenial ones elsewhere and move possibly. And you cant ignore
the financial side. Also you should move for something positive, something you wish to do more than what you do now, not leave because of the atmosphere around you.

Willem
Willem
May 21, 2020 1:53 PM
Reply to  hope

Thanks for the good advice Hope. I’ll try to respond to it in a longer comment in a few days.

ThereisaGod
ThereisaGod
May 21, 2020 9:39 AM
Reply to  George Mc

Given that the “virus” narrative is false and there are no viral illnesses (this can be demonstrated to anyone who cares to understand reality) …

… the most obvious culprit for the COVID-19 illness is 5G, which has only been lightly rolled out so far, but which can be used to have any effect our rulers so choose to inflict on us in the coming months.

Remember that the origin of ‘influenza’ is the Italian phrase “Influenza delle stelle”, meaning INFLUENCE OF THE STARS. Thus it was first recognised in the 1600s that this strange illness (that often hit multiple continents simultaneously) occurred at times of maximum sun-spot activity. Therefore it was something emanating from the chaos in the sun’s CORONA that caused this illness. Leter scientists recognised that magnetic waves were radiated in large quantities, which obviously had a very disruptive effect on the electrons carrying messages throughout the body’s nervous system.

THE CAUSE OF THE ILLNESS WAS RADIATION THEN AND IT IS RADIATION NOW.

The big difference between then and now is that scientists were either more intelligent or more honest 300+ years ago than they are today.

(the ‘virus’ narrative was created to prevent the public recognising the roll-out of radio antennae, before and during The Spanish Flu (genuine) pandemic of 1918/9, as the cause of the illness.

Our rulers could not allow the public at large to believe that E/M radiation might kill us. This would have caused huge problems re technological progress and profit-generation during the 20th century.

A conceptual model of the human body and its health was created that characterised our flesh as a “war zone” in which Big Pharma had to intervene to “keep us safe”, much like the whole of human society had already been successfully modelled as a “war zone” in which we have to rely on our political masters and their armies, which we stupidly recognise as “ours”, to “protect” us.

In the successful construction of these paradigms we can clearly perceive the mind of Satan in action.)

WorldParole
WorldParole
May 22, 2020 8:44 PM
Reply to  ThereisaGod

Don’t forget prescription medications, fast food, and inactive lifestyle.

Julie
Julie
May 21, 2020 10:41 AM
Reply to  George Mc

No the lockdown was the justification for all the surveillance. It was the threat that hangs over everything that happens now.

Attila
Attila
May 21, 2020 1:58 PM
Reply to  Julie

This has been a long time coming. They have been breaking down society for decades – the plan is compliance and utter subjugation.

Presently – This is stress testing compliance.

When that fails – and it will. Cracks are already appearing!

“world leaders” will then throw a dead cat on the table.

War!

imho

Nemo Nomark
Nemo Nomark
May 21, 2020 10:15 PM
Reply to  George Mc

There is also the possibility that a “weaponised” version of the virus could be released.

Calamity Jane
Calamity Jane
May 21, 2020 4:56 AM

Its about time the Brits got this Covid madness to the Courts and knocked it down.
The NHS “COVID costs” are all odious debt .

jay
jay
May 21, 2020 8:19 AM
Reply to  Calamity Jane

As much chance of a trial of Blair for war crimes…

Dungroanin
Dungroanin
May 21, 2020 9:24 AM
Reply to  Calamity Jane

CJ

It’s about time Brits woke up from the blind rush to get the hard BrexShit doodoo done and set up Singapore on Thames whilst selling off the rest of our public services to US and Foreign hedge funds, insurers, Pharma and Tech arms of the Bankers.

TFS
TFS
May 21, 2020 11:03 AM
Reply to  Dungroanin

As a Brexiteer, I do marvel how both Brexiteers and Remainer/Remoaners shouted for 3yrs+ over Brexit.

Thanks for 3yrs+ of Blighties equivalent to Americas RussiaGate.

It’s not as if there were more pressing matters.

Dungroanin
Dungroanin
May 21, 2020 1:14 PM
Reply to  TFS

There were more pressing matters – Austerity for political purposes; NHS and other Public Service privatisations leading amongs them.

Yet the general election was made about BrexShit by the media and their BS trolls.

BrexShit Act was the primary aim in Parliament by the BS Bozo clown bus party of government as CV headed here. And BS is still their primary aim.

You seem not to have noticed.

TFS
TFS
May 21, 2020 1:55 PM
Reply to  Dungroanin

Brexit wasn’t about Brexit. It was about Killing Jeremy Corbyn.

I would have put more pressing matters as stopping fucking up the Middle East, stop working with Saudi Arabia, Stop working with Nato, Stop working with Israel, getting the ICC and UN to do it’s job, hold the OPCW to account, release Julian Assange, releasing the Skripals, getting detente with Russia………

beer
beer
May 21, 2020 2:52 AM

“Successful” Moderna mRNA vaccine allegedly has 20% serious injury rate (medical intervention or hospitalisation required) in healthy volunteers according to Robert F Kennedy Jr https://twitter.com/cjtruth/status/1262880908270612488 That’s worse than Covid-19 :O

Dungroanin
Dungroanin
May 21, 2020 9:34 AM
Reply to  beer

Under no circumstances should anyone consider taking any vaccine unless it has gone theough a full study to prove it is effective and all it’s side-effects and counter indications are known.

The quickest a vaccine has ever been developed for use under the traditional regime is for Ebola – that took FIVE years, and I haven’t seen whether it has been done correctly for widespread use.

It normally take 10+ years.
Most don’t make it.

However the good news is there are over a hundred new ones being progressed – it only needs 1 good one better than all the rest to blow away the big boys trying to corner the market with their snake oil cure.

I can’t see how any GP/Doctor adhering to their Hypocratic Oath – could honestly recommend a improperly tested remedy.

Nemo Nomark
Nemo Nomark
May 21, 2020 10:25 PM
Reply to  Dungroanin

They don’t take the oath these days, Dun. It was abandoned when they moved to the business model. Also, GP surgeries have always been private businesses, they refused to join the NHS when it was founded. They are private sub-contractors.

Arby
Arby
May 21, 2020 2:33 AM

“NHS England bosses are keen to exploit the situation…” This speaks to the biggest problem. When those who run publicly funded services are themselves hostile to the idea (“It’s socialism!”), you have no chance of preserving the publicly funded service, let alone making positive reforms. I see that all the time. I hear. I see with Toronto’s transit system, which, oddly, comes up for mention in Peter Phillips’s book “Giants – The Global Power Elite.” Behind the papers and proposals for destruction in the name of profit for a few you will find powerful consulting companies like McKinsey. They represent, and themselves are among, the owners, rulers and ruiners of the world. For the moment.

BigB
BigB
May 21, 2020 12:40 AM

Since the 70s oil crises: concerned scientists – like Georgescu-Roegen, the Odum’s, Charles Hall, Herman Daly, etc – have been telling us it ain’t the economy, stupid …it is the net energy that drives the economy that is the limiting factor on human development. Especially the sort of human development that meant that as long as GDP was rising, everyone was better off. Everyone saw the latter was horseshit: everyone ignored the underlying bio-energetics factor. It is the declining return on energy resources that determines the wealth of nations. And also determines the well being of its people.

I have spent a large part of my spare time trying to point out the obvious: thermodynamics exist. And when applied to economics – as ecological or bio-physical economics – everything must deplete or degrow over time. Including well being: if we do not re-structure. There is no escape: except in the imaginary infinities of people’s minds. And due to magical thinking and impossible rationalities of illimitable growth: we got here. Virus or no virus: the mutating growth economy had to crash. And it did: coordinated with a medical emergency that can be scapegoated. What a coincidence!

Only: very few have yet – or will yet – accept where we are. I’ve explained the concept of EROI many a time: I’m not going to again. It is a ”dimensionless ratio”: so, for indication purposes only – you need 14:1 for arts and culture; 12:1 for healthcare; 5:1 just to grow food. As posted many times: the UK was at 6.2:1 in 2012. You need 11:1 just to return to growth. The economic collapse has been predictable and preventable for 50 years. Apart from neoliberal debt monetisation: asymmetric polarisation of wealth for them …austerity and the privatisation of national assets for us. The cosmetic effect has just worn off.

http://energyskeptic.com/2016/lambert-hall-energy-eroi-and-quality-of-life/

http://dieoff.com/_Energy/WhatIsTheMinumEROI_energies-02-00025.pdf

I do not have the latest research: but I could surmise that we are around the 5:1 mark …when society starts to break down. Theoretically: because we have never had a live breakdown to study …until now. The energy cost of maintaining infrastructure consumes practically all of the available energy. No growth; no decline …and no real prospects of a return to growth. And still people haven’t got a clue how surplus energy determines economic growth …or degrowth. Well, I suggest it is about time to learn.

The idea of Decroissance – which was the political movement for degrowth born in France, developed from the writings of Gorz, Ellul, Debord, etc – was to choose voluntary simplicity over inevitable economic collapse. And an endgame when those who most fucked the ecology come out on top of the established power structure …where they will inevitably attempt to solidify their status and maintain the maximal portion of remaining resources …to the detriment and debasement of humanity. Not so fast: because we all fall in the consumption and pollution hierarchy at the top …in the 20% who squandered the future.

Well, if we – the broader we in the UK – choose to accept the thermodynamic position we are in …maybe we can reclaim some dignity? By turning to decroissance voluntarily: albeit at least 40 years too late. The point is: if we want a premiere healthcare system – and we do – and education, welfare, food, and energy justice …we need a new politics of degrowth; re-evaluation; and redistribution …and we need it fast.

After a century of the highest living standards in history: decroissance is as popular a political choice as cancer. As I know from recommending it. The only other choice is growth mythology: that empowers the current power structure to fossilize to maintain its assets …our assets we need to redistribute in order to have a sufficient level of material comfort to maintain human dignity – home and abroad – and not kill each other for the scraps they leave us. In other words: the only available option is degrowth. We know what the new normal will be: the same as the old normal with less for us. How about we take the whip hand away and determine our own new normal: of human decency and localised community …with healthcare free at the point use for everyone.

If we truly want to save the NHS: we need a new set of priorities; new ethical practices; and a new revolutionary spirit not to just accept what we are told to accept. We can have a better life with less: because we can direct exactly where we want to put our resources …where it matters to us. With increased autonomy, self-determination, reciprocity, gift ethotics, special purpose money, and diverse regenerative communities …we can save humanity from descent into …well, a not very nice future if we empower the power orthodoxy with imaginations of impossible growth.

We decide our own cultural creativity with less material, more human wealth.

I’d love to live to see our people take resposibility and choose autonomy and self-determination. I do not like the post-covid plan: how about we make our own new normal?

La decroissance ou la barbarie?

The Coming Revolution
The Coming Revolution
May 22, 2020 2:53 AM
Reply to  BigB

BigB, exactly. We are so out of touch with our needs and amount thereof that it has to be movements for what should be natural behaviour; that is, consuming only as much as one needs to consume. Unfortunately, in the artificial system we live in, we are made to consume much more than that to keep the “wheels of commerce turning”.

In this system, where you can’t either grow your own food, or build your own shelter, you need something called money. And contrary to the always possibile growing of one’s food or making one’s shelter which is always readily available, for, the earth can feed and has enough materials to shelter everyone and only depends on one’s efforts that no one in his right mind would scorn; contrary to that, money obeys man-made laws; it does not seem readily available or in sufficient amount to everyone, and so one has to earn it through work, which also has man-made rules, not readily available nor in sufficient amount.

Our right to self-subsistence is a corollary to our being born onto the earth and therefore is unalienable and no man-made law must interfere with it. The reality however, is that the use of money has done just that. The “tacit consent” for money as a means of exchange and as a commodity had to produce human societies in conflict with natural laws, because then we have continuously to fight fiercely among us, even kill each other, and imagine the most dreadful things in our way to make more of that which never seems enough, but which nevertheless is the only mean to exercise our unalienable right to self-subsistence.

As for exponential growth,

Anyone who believes exponential growth can go on forever in a finite world is either a madman or an economist.

Credited to Kenneth E. Boulding (1910-1993)

The Coming Revolution
The Coming Revolution
May 22, 2020 3:34 AM

I really must correct myself. I wrote:

“… but which nevertheless is the only mean to exercise our unalienable right to self-subsistence.”,

but I should have written:

“… but which nevertheless has been imposed as the only mean to exercise our unalienable right to self-subsistence.”

tonyopmoc
tonyopmoc
May 20, 2020 11:48 PM

I do believe in Democracy, though I haven’t voted for a bit.

Do you know, how delighted my wife and I felt, when the bloke over the road a Professor Teaching Political Philosophy at University (and who also plays drums and acts in films) politely asked us if we would sign his nomination papers …we asked him into our kitchen, and we both signed the nomination papers.

He lost by about 123 votes. He could easily won, if his daughter and mine campaigned for him, and we did too..The kids looked at each other..my wife and I understood (they were the best of friends).

But surely it is an honour to be asked by someone else you do not know, who’s political views may not exactlty agree with, has the courage to ask you to nominate them – and put themselves up for election…

So another guy asked us via a mate – to sign his papers to – to put himself up for The Eu ro pian Elections..

We actually voted for him…He didn’t get in, but we did see him down our local pub a few times. (I asked) Chris is a very good musician too. I hope he is O.K. I do know he hasn’t been too well, but no one has said he is dead yet, and if he was, my wife would almost certainly know and tell me.

So if you think you are up to it – volunteer, and put yourself up for election

The fact that you are even thinking about it, makes a difference – ask your friends where you live, cos real democracy is local, and if you just try you will make a difference, and make loads of new friends.

What else are unemployed, ex students -supposed to do?

I suggest you pick fruit first – and you will make friends -which basically is what you want to do.

We haven’t completely lost Democracy yet

It is down to you kids now.

What do you want?

Tony

Kalen
Kalen
May 20, 2020 11:44 PM

They are saving NHS by destroying it while morons clap.

Under thuggish Johnson even more than before NHS is not saving lives but kills old and frail en mass with legal immunity.

Even now officially lockdown enabling politicians killed 16,000 elderly and sick, while unofficially 90% are dead because of mass hysteria and deliberate deadly policy of effectively shutting down NHS to everything except flu like COVID.

Reg
Reg
May 20, 2020 11:08 PM

Rappoport on vaccination. It screws up the natural processes of the immune system.

https://blog.nomorefakenews.com/2020/05/20/richard-moskowitz-md-and-homeopath-on-vaccination/

Dungroanin
Dungroanin
May 20, 2020 10:43 PM

‘Plans for’ a privatised NHS are ‘hatched’ because of ‘covid’!!!

Well blow me down with a feather.
The NHS has not been being salami sliced for 50 years!

There has been no Brittania Unchained Midwich cuckoos planning and robbing us blind inserted into running down our public services for decades.

The Utter and Complete Hunt who wrote a pamphlet to privatise the NHS wasn’t in charge of it for a decade. Dracula running the blood bank. He isn’t Chairman of the Health Select Committee that heard damning testimony how other countries didn’t turn their care homes into death camps.
He hasn’t been conspiring with his brethren here and across the pond to parcel out all the profits from a national health service.

I feel like Pam who just saw the long dead Bobby come out of the shower.
(Dallas ref for you kids).

It is your Covid CT, that will be the cause of the completion of the privatisation of the NHS!

Anyone got a bridge to sell – I may buy that too!

Lols.

ame
ame
May 20, 2020 10:51 PM
Reply to  Dungroanin

clap clap clap save live SAVE NHS paint a rainbow mk ultra

Dungroanin
Dungroanin
May 20, 2020 11:36 PM
Reply to  ame

Get your filthy thieving hands off the NHS you evil monster! 👹👺

Almondson
Almondson
May 21, 2020 10:17 AM
Reply to  Dungroanin

The UK has so may people that need medical attention because of a situation the elites created in the first place… junk food culture, booze culture, depression, damp homes, bad drugs etc… they created they most lucrative market of all.

Dungroanin
Dungroanin
May 21, 2020 1:26 PM
Reply to  Almondson

It started with mass unemployment by Thatcher – nobody cared much about all theses jobs and communities then did they? – that led directly to an expansion of Long Term Sickness and Disability benefits to keep these communities locked in.

The plan has been long term and any excuse or crises used to further their prime target.

Cheezilla
Cheezilla
May 21, 2020 3:43 PM
Reply to  Dungroanin

They pulled loads of disability benefits last year.

Dungroanin
Dungroanin
May 21, 2020 4:47 PM
Reply to  Cheezilla

How many people are in receipt of benefits after they did that?

Cheezilla
Cheezilla
May 21, 2020 7:39 PM
Reply to  Dungroanin

Aere you implying they are scroungers? The £50 per week they decided I didn’t deserve means I now have to survive on £160 per week. I have to pay people to help me and I’ve no idea how I’ll be able to replace my 10 year-old car when it dies though I’ll be virtually housebound without it.

If you want to know what a real scrounger looks loke, read this (from today’s Lockdown Sceptics):
The Telegraph reports that Liberal Democrat peer Chris Fox is “milking” the taxpayer by furloughing himself from his business but continuing to claim his daily £162 House of Lords allowance for Zoom meetings.

A frontbench peer has furloughed himself despite having a £100,000 cash pot in his company and claiming the daily House of Lords allowance during lockdown, the Telegraph can reveal.

Lord Fox, who owns two homes worth more than £2 million, is the first Parliamentarian known to use the Government’s wage subsidy scheme to pay himself. The 62-year-old Liberal Democrat frontbench spokesman for business is the owner and sole employee of Vulpes Advisory, a ‘strategic communications’ company. His decision to double dip into the taxpayers’ pocket was criticised as “milking the taxpayer” by MPs, who said on Wednesday that he should pay the money back. Asked on Wednesday night whether having his private income paid by the state as well as taking the Lords stipend was “greedy”, Lord Fox said: “I don’t think conflating the two is even logical.”

Accounts filed with Companies House show Lord Fox has access to more than £100,000 cash in his Vulpes bank account. Instead of using the money to tide the business over, he furloughed himself and has already received his first month’s wage subsidy, of about £1,000, from the Government. Asked why he did not first use the £100,000, he said: “I’m hoping to tide the business over, I’m hoping to relaunch it properly when the scheme… when the virus lifts.”

Lord Fox has a five-bedroom house in Windsor, which he reportedly bought in 1995 for £280,000 and which is now estimated to be worth up to £1.89 million, as well as a second home in east London. He sits on the Lords economic affairs committee, before which Rishi Sunak, the Chancellor, appeared as a witness this week. It has held four hearings over the past month, for which Lord Fox will receive £648. He also claims the daily allowance for his work as the Liberal Democrat spokesman for Business, Energy and Industrial Strategy.

Conservative MP Robert Halfon said: “It’s incredible that, when my residents in Harlow are struggling to keep a roof over their heads, this peer seems to want to milk the taxpayer at both ends, for every penny – both through the Lords allowance and the furlough scheme. The Chancellor needs to nip this in the bud and make sure this is not allowed. The least he could do is pay the furlough money back.”

Dungroanin
Dungroanin
May 21, 2020 9:20 PM
Reply to  Cheezilla

I agree with almost 100% of your comment. Except the first sentence.
I am NOT implying they are scroungers.
I didn’t imply it.

I just asked whether the total number of social security receipients had decreased by yet another reinvention of the system.

I stick by the observation that by destroying jobs and community by forcing people onto the only choice of social security, was a planned attack on the solidarity of the working classes.

You can’t go on strike if you aren’t employed.

John Pretty
John Pretty
May 20, 2020 10:24 PM

My mother has been complaining that she cannot see a GP. These days they “triage” patients before condescending to see people apparently. She has sinus issues. I daresay it’s not too serious. She’s had them for years. That said, it seems she is a stickler for the lockdown rules. I have been trying to reason with her – so far without success. I visited my parents on Sunday (having ensured that I got explicit permission from my mother first) and we sat outside in their summer house.

My mother is (or perhaps these days I ought to say was) a practicing Roman Catholic, but is apparently quite happy where she is. At one point I threatened to fill their empty wine glasses. This was too much for my mother who then athletically leapt out of the summer house indicating that she was in no mood to meet “the Almighty” that week. She insisted on standing about 10 feet away from me for the rest of the duration of my visit.

I shake my head and roll my eyes. This is what we are up against.

My father for his part was happy to sit where he was. He has been able to play golf again this week, so was feeling a little more cheerful. Regarding “lockdown”, he opined that “it’s the law”, and was being done “for safety”. At this point I decided to to remind my father that he had once been banned from driving for speeding. He was indignant, “Only for a week!” (He was caught doing over 100mph on the motorway. Dad was a serial offender in his day and very proud of it.) I then asked my dad o remind me what the purpose of the speed limit laws was: “Safety”, he admitted. Hmm.

He then told me that he had delayed the start of his prostate cancer radiotherapy treatment due to begin this month, as it will be my sister’s 50th birthday at the weekend. Actually, I couldn’t quite connect the dots. Presumably he was afraid of catching something at the party which is in any event not now going to happen. My sister, I am told, is quite strict about lockdown observance and my father’s suggestion (which I agreed with) that we could have a low key party in their back garden is apparently not going to be taken up.

As I say, this is what we are up against with this mullarkey.

My mother observed today while on the phone that we (in the UK, though she is a Scotswoman) do not protest in this country in the way they do in America and in Europe. I told her, “Mum, if they protest here (and I get to know about it) I will be out on the street with them!”

jay
jay
May 20, 2020 10:56 PM
Reply to  John Pretty

All of the fearmongering has been very plausible, unless you already miss-trusted the state you will likely have been taken in…

jay
jay
May 20, 2020 11:13 PM
Reply to  jay

This what I meant to post…

youtube.com/watch?v=b3w6c7RUbUs

Mike Ellwood
Mike Ellwood
May 21, 2020 12:35 PM
Reply to  jay

All of the fearmongering has been very plausible, unless you already miss-trusted the state you will likely have been taken in…

I mistrusted both the state and the orthodox medical authorities, and have done for decades.

RobG
RobG
May 20, 2020 11:03 PM
Reply to  John Pretty

John, you’ve made a very good comment, and one that I can’t really add to; except to say that many of us are having a similar experience with family and friends.

Cheezilla
Cheezilla
May 21, 2020 3:51 PM
Reply to  John Pretty

Colloidal silver sprayed into the nostrils can help with sinus issues.

Novicurious
Novicurious
May 20, 2020 10:20 PM

The government AND the NHS need to be called to task over the social distancing AKA 2 metre rule – to provide definitive evidence that it saves lives, over and above all the lives it destroys (by the way, how many people in the uk have killed themselves because of the lockdown so far??). If they can’t provide that evidence – which they can’t, because it doesn’t exist – they should pull the plug on the social distancing nonsense and let people get back to their lives, whatever is left after the horrific damage done by lockdown. And all those people knowingly complicit in this fraud should be sacked, and in some cases, charged for crimes against humanity.

Alessandro
Alessandro
May 21, 2020 12:25 AM
Reply to  Novicurious

The WHO are you…oops that’s a great song, perhaps it could be reworked to WHO, where are you, who, who. Start again the WHO has a document called the Global Influenza Programme which highlights amongst others:
Face masks -moderately effective, conditionally recommended
Contact tracing – very low evidence it works, not recommended
Quarantine of exposedindividuals – very low evidence it works, not recommended
Nothing on quarantine of everyone else!
School closures – very low effectiveness, conditionally recommended
Avoid crowding – very low effectiveness, conditionally recommended no mention of social distancing here

NowhereOH
NowhereOH
May 20, 2020 10:05 PM

“fundamentally change the way we deliver health and care.”

That never bodes well. This whole thing has been an excuse to “fundamentally change” damn near everything.
Just found out today that my employer (who does not expect office personnel to return to on-site work anytime soon) is installing UV lighting at all of our locations. They just closed a branch and let more than 30 people go, and that’s what they’re going to waste money on? Now we can all ‘benefit’ from the side effects of over-exposure to UV, whatever those may turn out to be. Between the wacky ‘cures’ suggested, the vaccines being rushed through ‘testing’, and the detrimental effects of wearing a mask constantly… I think I’ll just take my chances. Yeesh.

Almondson
Almondson
May 21, 2020 10:27 AM
Reply to  NowhereOH

Apparently, very expensive special far-UV-C wavelength lights are OK as they destroy airborne viruses but the light does not penetrate human skin:

https://www.webmd.com/cold-and-flu/news/20180212/can-uv-light-be-used-to-kill-airborne-flu-virus-#1

Assuming of course that viruses cause disease, otherwise it would be another insane waste of resources.

NowhereOH
NowhereOH
May 21, 2020 12:44 PM
Reply to  Almondson

I know, but thank you for the link. I was more being tongue-in-cheek about all these new policies and suggestions for combating COVID, many of which spend a cycle or two in the news before they’re walked back as ‘potentially harmful’. We’re in such a rush to find a ‘fix’ that we’re not thinking through the long-term consequences of… anything, really.
On a selfish level, I’m a migraine sufferer who is extremely photosensitive. These new lights may not impact that at all– I don’t know, but it did cross my mind. Luckily, my current boss already lets me wear my sunglasses inside if I have an incipient migraine. (You know, so I can so I can keep track of the visions in my dreams. 😉 )

Mike Ellwood
Mike Ellwood
May 21, 2020 5:04 PM
Reply to  Almondson

Assuming of course that viruses cause disease, otherwise it would be another insane waste of resources.

And, as they would presumably kill all viruses, even potentially beneficial ones, this could have unexpected negative side effects. What if we happen to depend upon beneficial viruses on our skin, for example? We may not know about them yet, because there’s never been any need to research them.

tonyopmoc
tonyopmoc
May 20, 2020 9:41 PM

I refused to do powerpoint, though I did very occasionally do a fully documented cost plan, stating quite clearly that both the servers I was responsible for were running way beyond design capacity. I also very occasionally did a Presentation with Chalk and those big felt pens on Flipboards.

My management ignored my paper – and the feedback was – your servers have never failed yet..

I said look – we need another server – it costs about £100,000, still they wouldn’t do it.

When one of them lost a disk drive, they entire service went down, but I had written the alert software myself, and was working on the problem from home at 6:30 am before the first phone call, and then all 3 phones went mad. I had to turn them all off. I went outside, and had a cup of coffee, and a cigarette, and thought how do I fix this??

There were too many people coming in at the same time, and it was crashing the remaing server of an extremely large and famous British Company. (A bit like trying to book a slot at Asda or Tesco’s now)

We had no service at 7:00 am, but after my cup of coffee, I worked out how to gradually let them back in.

By about 9:30 am, we had pretty much a full service, and I was really pleased with myself getting it back…

So drove into work, expecting to be congratulated, and was marched into the top office…

“Do you know how much the loss of the service has cost us for 2 hours” – I said well maybe a couple of million about £2M? I said – do not blame me. I told you what was going to happen many months ago. You would not approve £100,000 for another UNIX server, which I insisted was essential if we had a hardware failure the entire system would go down. They didn’t apologise but they did buy another UNIX Server, and the company is still going, cos they are still paying my pension. Not nicked it yet, but on previous experience…I think they will survive, though I am now growing my own potatoes, tomatoes, carrots and broccoli which are doing really well. My wife is great too.

It’s pretty easy to grow food in your back garden, and it is not too late to start now.

We’ve been retired since 2004. We are old, but in very good health.

Why has nearly everyone else gone mad?

Don’t you realise what is going on?

“”No, Don’t Go!! You Don’t Have to Die!!” (Logan’s Run)”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BKE0uz0FvQA

Tony

hope
hope
May 20, 2020 9:41 PM

I think now that we are getting a better idea of what the agenda may be, whether it be with the NHS, i.e. the medical sector, whether it be the education, whether it be the arts, the most important thing is to ensure that those parts of societies that have remained sane are able to have access to all of these as they should be. For instance, you cant have dancing, ballet, you cant have music, with orchestras, you cant have proper education, without face to face learning, you cant have proper medical care without a direct real doctor-patient relation, i.e. in all of these you can neither social-distanciate, nor wear masks, you must have the usual human relation. So none of us sane people, and there may well be more of us than we know in our respective communities, simply we are isolated and dont know of each other, and hence are at a loss. But we must for ourselves and whoever wishes to join can join rebuild all this. Hence Id say anyone who is able to should start small after-work or after-school centres, possibly to begin with in their own houses if they have space, with music, arts, science, literature, what not, discussion groups, teaching small classes, so those who wish and are not insanely scared, can keep having access to that without which there can be no human life. We’re not just bodies that breathe. Small surgeries must be open by doctors to run as a medical practice should be run, without all these insane measures.
I think its terribly important. For us, for those of us who wish for a human life, to ensure in our little ways that we have a human life. We should stop worrying about the insane. If they wish to cease to live, its their affair. We should remain alert and keep abreast of the events and policies and agendas going on, but few of us are in a position to directly challenge them. If we try to go out in the storm unprotected its us that is going to suffer. And from these little beginnings, who knows what will follow. Also it will take away our feeling of isolation, and thats terribly important not to remain atomized.

John Milton
John Milton
May 20, 2020 11:04 PM
Reply to  hope

Best thing I’ve read all day. I might just put a sign on my front window inviting people in for a coffee, or a sing along at the piano.

I wonder how long it would take for the fuzz to turn up to accuse me of committing a heanous crime.

Today my 7 yo son managed to play in the park with 2 of his friends from school. No social distancing bollocks. Just playing together like kids should. He’s had the best day since this cruel, shameful lockup began. Kids need to play with other kids.

Also, to anyone who might think that talk of hospitals labelling anything and everything as a covid 19 death is not true, today I know 100% that it is true.

A friend’s father-in-law just died of cancer. The hospital put covid 19 as the cause of death even though he had zero Covid symptoms and wasn’t tested for it. The hospital said it was easier that way and avoided any further investigation into the death.

Shocking.

JohnEss
JohnEss
May 21, 2020 2:29 AM
Reply to  John Milton

I am unsurprised to learn of a death from cancer being ticked off as yet another at the hands of the C-Virus. This whole global melodrama could be modelled on ‘Resident Evil’.

Our friend returned from the UK and arriving at the airport of an Australian state capital, was tested for Covid-19.

As an interesting aside, an anagram of ‘coronavirus’ is ‘virus or a con?’. But I digress.

Our friend’s test proved “inconclusive”. So he was quarantined in a high-rise hotel in the CBD. A security guard was placed outside the room 24-hours a day. The entire floor was cordoned off; all rooms except his were unoccupied. No opening windows, so no natural air. Just air-conditioning, which as we all know, is so beneficial for our respiratory system.

A few days later, he was tested a second time, with the result returning “still not conclusive but more conclusive than the first test.”

It would seem that degrees of conclusive are now available. Doubtless, a welcome, useful and profitable breakthrough to not only medical and legal practitioners but to any “authority” in the wild.

And so, without proof-positive, our friend was deprived of liberty (for that is what it was) for four weeks. But the results of his “Covid-19” test (which, in itself, does not live up to its name) is included in the number of infected with the deadly C-Virus.

Fuel on the fire, then stoke the fear.

As I have said many times:
“Mankind is getting dumber by the day.”

RobG
RobG
May 21, 2020 12:16 AM
Reply to  hope

Well said, Hope.

Amor vincit omnia

My Latin is as bad as my Welsh (where’s Rhis when you need him).

bob
bob
May 20, 2020 9:24 PM

i’d be interested to hear opinion of this

https://twitter.com/brainstorm_mind/status/1261541754517336064

united nations gonna make us happy?

Seamus Padraig
Seamus Padraig
May 20, 2020 9:24 PM

Well, well! I guess all those NHS fans really haven’t been clapping hard enough, so this is their just dessert. If all of them would go ahead and sign a DNR order, they just might be able to save the healthcare system. 🙁

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
May 20, 2020 9:16 PM

No word of ‘privatisation’. How odd. ‘Getting Brexit done;.

MoH
MoH
May 20, 2020 7:12 PM

‘A terrible way to go for £9 an hour’: fear at meat plant after three coronavirus deaths – The Guardian

Family of worker at a South Yorkshire food processor with multiple Covid-19 cases and three deaths have criticised treatment of staff

Looks like we are getting our meat supply disrupted as has been happening in the US. What a coincidence that these CV deaths exactly mirror what has happened in the US, and also coincidentally meet green agenda goals of cutting meat consumption. Lucky Bill has been investing in artificially grown meat production or we may all starve.

When anyone who dies can be recorded as death due to CV-19, then absolutely any agenda they want to play out can be met and it has the added bonus of feeding the hysteria. And now they are going for our food.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2020/may/20/its-a-terrible-way-to-go-for-9-an-hour-fear-at-meat-plant-after-three-deaths-coronavirus

Arsebiscuits
Arsebiscuits
May 20, 2020 9:55 PM
Reply to  MoH

Fake news

Almondson
Almondson
May 21, 2020 10:47 AM
Reply to  MoH

Vegetarianism is a bad idea for most people but people eat too much (bad) meat. That particular green agenda is about educating Americans eating hamburgers made by destroying forests to farm cattle.

Cheezilla
Cheezilla
May 21, 2020 3:28 PM
Reply to  MoH

They’ve been going for our food for the last 18 months – cf the plant-based diet propaganda.

Mike Ellwood
Mike Ellwood
May 21, 2020 5:17 PM
Reply to  Cheezilla

Because plants can’t run away, they evolved their own defences against being eaten, which in some cases means they have toxins in them. e.g. cruciferous vegetables contain natural goitergens, i.e. they tend to inhibit the thyroid gland. There are ways around this, e.g by fermenting them, and maybe ordinary cooking will get rid of the goitergens, or maybe not.

Another example is that many people react badly to members of the nightshade family (including e.g. tomatoes) , and it may exacerbate arthritis in some people.

I’m not saying people should not eat vegetables, but they are not automatically a 100% unmixed blessing. In days gone by, when people lived closer to nature, people learned how to use them, by trial and error, over many generations. Modern consumer culture doesn’t have time for that sort of thing.

Mike Ellwood
Mike Ellwood
May 20, 2020 7:08 PM

There hasn’t been a new Andrew W Saul video for a while, so I was glad to see a new one today:

A lot is familiar, but good especially for those who may not be aware of his work.

WorldParole
WorldParole
May 22, 2020 8:49 PM
Reply to  Mike Ellwood

Wonderful!

Mike Ellwood
Mike Ellwood
May 23, 2020 11:03 AM
Reply to  WorldParole

I notice he’s been putting out a lot of short ones recently, on a variety of vitamin-related topics.

Calamity Jane
Calamity Jane
May 20, 2020 7:06 PM

They stress and increase the costs of the health system in an entirely fake ” new deadly disease COVID19″ then the govt uses their COVID fraud as an excuse to further cut NHS services and impose UN agenda.
No system is or should be prepared for panic and no society should be panicked by their govt, health panic is not something that can be budgeted for.

The big question here is why they do not write off the covid19 health deficit . Its a “number written in the books” we can bailout banks provide corporate subsidies and spend much more on the oligarchs wars.
All COVID19 debt is odious.

So why not give health a new start, instead of destroying by cost cutting why not rebuild to a new well funded and compassionate system.

Roddy Duncan
Roddy Duncan
May 20, 2020 8:04 PM
Reply to  Calamity Jane

The big clue is the following sentence;

“Chances of seeing a health professional would be increasingly small, as primary care and outpatients seem set to become “virtual by default”.”

The west has a big battle on its hands at the moment, on many fronts. But one of the most concerning, for them, is Artificial Intelligence. The problem for the west is, while they may currently be ahead of the game technologically; they don’t have the arena that China does, to implement, trial, roll out and develop those technologies.

China has literally, a captive audience, a population they can pretty much do what the hell they want. For example, because there are so many people, and not enough doctors, China is quickly taking the lead in the application of AI in the healthcare system. It won’t be too long before they are exporting their technology abroad.

The National Security Commission on Artificial Intelligence (NSCAI) in America have big concerns about this, and I’m sure the UK government and its puppet masters have similar concerns.

You see, we here in the UK , USA and the west in general have some very quaint ideas when it comes to healthcare, cash, privacy, transport, surveillance etc. The NSCAI call these systems legacy systems. And for the west to even start to compete in the arena, they need to “level” our playing field.

“The NSCAI document states that examples of “legacy systems” include a financial system that still utilizes cash and card payments, individual car ownership and even receiving medical attention from a human doctor. It states that, while these “legacy systems” in the US are “good enough,” too many “good enough” systems “hinder the adoption of new things,” specifically AI-driven systems.

Another structural factor deemed by the NSCAI to be an obstacle to the U.S.’ ability to maintain a technological advantage over China is the “scale of the consumer market,” arguing that “extreme urban density = on-demand service adoption.” In other words, extreme urbanization results in more people using online or mobile-based “on-demand” services, ranging from ride-sharing to online shopping. It also cites the use of mass surveillance on China’s “huge population base” is an example of how China’s “scale of consumer market” advantage allowing “China to leap ahead” in the fields of related technologies, like facial recognition.”

It may appear to the majority, that this is all about Covid 19. But just think of the healthcare example above, the war on cash that is all but upon us, and the friendly euphemism called contact tracing, which is friends and associates surveillance.

And with Mr Gates and his RFID’d vaccine and his digital vaccine passport, you might start getting the bigger picture.

Anyway, I won’t spoil the whole story, please read the story at the following link, which was written as a result of a successful FOIA request of the NSCAI’

https://www.mintpressnews.com/national-security-state-using-coronavirus-push-artificial-intelligence-driven-mass-surveillance/266820/

Seamus Padraig
Seamus Padraig
May 20, 2020 9:29 PM
Reply to  Roddy Duncan

That’s an excellent–and terrifying–article. I read it over at Unz.com last month when it first appeared there. Whitney Webb is fast becoming one of my favorite investigative journalists.

Cicatriz
Cicatriz
May 21, 2020 10:23 AM
Reply to  Roddy Duncan

Great post. Early on in this debacle I was listening to a podcast and one of the speakers (I forget who) made the point that this wasn’t about one thing, but rather a roadmap that we’ve fallen behind on. There are a lot of things that various interest groups want implementing (from surveillance to vaccination etc) and an event is necessary to get back on track.

I still er towards serendipity rather than conspiracy, but I think the difference is increasingly just one of perspective.

As an aside, I work as a software developer for a company that produces a lot of AR (augmented reality) software and I’ve been witness to a lot of internal marketing on its potential use surrounding social distancing.

Cheezilla
Cheezilla
May 21, 2020 3:04 PM
Reply to  Calamity Jane

instead of destroying by cost cutting why not rebuild to a new well funded and compassionate system
Isn’t that what they’ll claim they are doing?

Willem
Willem
May 20, 2020 6:53 PM

A couple of weeks ago I lent Camus’ book ‘The plague’ to X which book he had never read. And X, who is one of my bosses, probably thought that his character must be described in that book somewhere, like one of the heroes of that book Dr Rieux, or the accountant Joseph Grand.

And X is one of those experts who have been talking in the media since day 1 about the usefulness of a lockdown, social distancing, etc. And I am sure that X truly believes he is doing and saying the right thing. But if you would ask X why he holds to that belief, he probably cannot answer you. And what X certainly did not do before he started to talk in the media, is ask people around him how they thought about a lockdown, social distancing etc. That had no priority, since X, of course, knows best! According to X who is an ‘expert’.

Now I am not sure if X will/ has read the plague, but I can tell you (as I did read that book) that X cannot be found among the characters that are described in the Plague.

There is another book in my bookcase though that does describe the character of X in detail, together with those other experts, including those described in the article above who made that despicable PowerPoint presentation; and that book is ‘Eichmann in Jerusalem’ from Hannah Arendt.

Because what Eichmann did, and what these experts do, all boils down to the same: they make schemes where everything that relates to humanity is taken out of the equation and then they present the remaining document as dry fact.

And the personality characteristic that defines all these little Eichmanns is that you must be a person who never ever wants to confront anyone with anything that could end in a conflict.

And this certainly applies to X. And so X always conformed to the ideology of the state which is neoliberalism. And in medical research neoliberalism has mostly shown its face through the funding agencies that only give grants to rational and ‘objective’ proposals (and to friends of the committee, as is also part of neoliberalism’s ethos of hypocrisy and fraud). And rational and objective is that you can look to disease on a global scale as if you look through a microscope where you only look at the details of the disease you consider yourself expert in. And where Uomo universale is seen as a boys dream.

And that is why these Eichmanns now all pop up in the media as experts: thinking that they are cold and true, rational and objective thinkers, yet don’t have a clue when something happens of which they are supposed to be expert in. And of course, they never criticize the state as that could end in conflict. And since humanity is not placed in any of their schemes or thinking, they happily cannot have any conflict with humanity either. And this makes everything that happens in the world due to their schemes and plans nice and clean and peaceful.

The problem with stupidity is that in order to see that something that was promoted by you as stupid (like advocating a lockdown that killed/is going to kill millions) you must have some intelligence into that what you promoted was stupid. But experts can never see over their own shadow, so don’t count on it that they will ever see or even acknowledge that all the measures to ‘contain Covid19’ that they imposed, advocated and continue to support have produced horrible consequences to humanity.

And it’s a shame for X, who is a nice and decent person, yet has been bred by 40 years of neoliberalism into nothing more than a monstrosity (‘misbaksel’). And the breeding went through the funding system where X’s weak characteristic of having no backbone ultimately made him an expert!

Now I do not believe in punishment as purgatory, yet I do believe, as is shown in the film Soljaris (by Tarkovsky), that only scientists who can keep their humanity will truly invent, while those who don’t do that end up alone, feeling miserable, high in the sky, isolated from all humanity doing all sorts of experiments that only hurt themselves.

C/ the moral of Soljaris and this story about X, is that one way to get out of this mad house is when experts get sick of themselves, while the rest sticks to their humanity.

Here is the movie

https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x4tjxgv

kevin king
kevin king
May 20, 2020 9:12 PM
Reply to  Willem

Ok then Tarkovsky’s film must have deviated significantly from Lem’s original novel that I have read in three different versions, an English version, a West German translation and an East German translation from not long after the book was written.
In all three the novel was about a planet (Solaris) that had the miraculous power of turning human thoughts and memories into flesh and blood. Hari comes back to haunt the main character Kris, who blames himself for her suicide. He has nothing to do with good or bad scientists. Everyone suffers equally.

Willem
Willem
May 21, 2020 6:39 AM
Reply to  kevin king

The film has many layers and Lem didn’t like the film at all. I have never read the book

hope
hope
May 20, 2020 10:17 PM
Reply to  Willem

You raise many interesting points, Wilhelm. The distortion of science into non-science or a dogma (anything not based on reproducible and sufficiently reproduced observation/experiment), which began slowly towards the end of the 19th century, and now is omnipresent, has brought about a total mediocratization of the research world. The likelihood of an Einstein or Mendel is fairly non-existent in today’s world: already in their days their best work had to be accomplished independently of universities and away from the science world, but this in those days was possible just about because you didnt need much to live on, and because you could find other means of sustenance that were not demanding of your time. Anyhow, it would be too long to go into the details of how and why this distortion and mediocratization has taken place. You might say the rise of the technical “expert” (Feynman wrote: “Science is the belief in the ignorance of experts.”) who has little idea of what science is, little enjoyment of doing science.
And indeed as Hannah Arendt, Erich Fromm and others also have well explained, someone who in effect is a mediocrity is indeed the typical character that is attracted to exert his power on others, and as you say to take life away from the equation. None of us are born mediocre, we are made mediocre by the education we receive, by the desire to adapt to what our social surrounding expects of us, rather than letting our inner desires take shape. And deep down there must be a deep frustration, this loss of that spark that we had when we were children or young adults, with our hopes, this loss of the connection with life.

In a society, where this or that activity would not be looked down upon (I mean why study science and maths unless you love the subjects? Possibly what the person always wanted to do is build furniture, but carpentry is looked down upon), where people could find means of expressing themselves constructively in ways suited to them, there would be no such dystopian scenarios.

hope
hope
May 20, 2020 10:22 PM
Reply to  hope

Sorry, some of the above are not properly constructed sentences… Anyhow hope you get the gist. Im tired tonight with all this distance teaching which I cant accept and which I need to make a decision about as I dont wish to participate in this charade.

Willem
Willem
May 21, 2020 6:46 AM
Reply to  hope

Thank you Hope. I really liked your comment. Such comments make all of this a little less tiring.

Willem
Willem
May 21, 2020 6:55 AM
Reply to  Willem

In terms of the videoconferencing and the charade in academia. My take is that I reluctantly follow (expressing my dislike to my bosses) and tell in class a little bit more than I used to do. specifically, I am going to put the skeptical method much more in focus. And give the students Covid19 material which only can be scientifically understood when looking at it with a skeptical mind. Socrates way.

Willem
Willem
May 21, 2020 7:20 AM
Reply to  Willem

Actually, Socrates way was to teach for free on the market. The sophists way was to get payed for education. Makes me wonder what I should do.

Your point in another comment (teaching in much smaller communities out of the academia system) is also well taken. Actually, it is one of the alternatives I am currently considering (stepping out of academia and work with my hands and mind as my own boss, which fortunately for me is a serious option without having to fear bankruptcy, although I will be a lot poorer)

Philippe
Philippe
May 21, 2020 6:16 AM
Reply to  hope

Great comment.

Ego and dogma make a heady combination.

In any ‘normal’ person, that combination would simply result in a slightly irritating individual. When large swathes of the scientific community display those characteristics though, we are in trouble. I’ve heard it said that science is becoming more dogmatic than religion.

I think both you and Willem hit the nail squarely on the head re the intransigence of ‘experts’ and their inability to even recognise their own failings, let alone address them.

I think it was Max Planck who said: “Science advances one funeral at a time.” Perhaps ‘advance’ could be considered ambitious. I remember reading another comment (can’t remember where) that, as time goes on, science knows more and more about less and less.

Cheezilla
Cheezilla
May 21, 2020 3:02 PM
Reply to  Philippe

Is the point of science to know or to question?

Philippe
Philippe
May 21, 2020 3:14 PM
Reply to  Cheezilla

I would say to question.

Re the comment above, maybe it was ‘we’ know more … but the comment was definitely aimed at science. It was a while ago 🙂

You raise a good point, which I suppose is tied into Planck’s statement. He saw scientists getting attached to their pet theories – those that brought them fame or patronage or whatever, and refused to let them go. They knew their theory was correct, because their social and professional standing relied on that being true.

It was the next generation of scientists that put aside the extant theories in order to develop their own; which in turn became their pet theories, which they knew to be correct … And on and on.

So, maybe their is too much “knowing” in science. Add to that, of course, that if you think you already know the answer, you don’t ask the question.

Daniel Spaniel
Daniel Spaniel
May 21, 2020 10:55 PM
Reply to  Willem

That book’s on my shelf too, I’m about half way through.. enough to see the pathetic creature Eichmann may have been… but hardly a ruthless evil nazi, as far as I can tell.. just one of the gang…

tonyopmoc
tonyopmoc
May 20, 2020 6:35 PM

I do realise why a lot of people I know (infact almost everyone – still brainwashed) will not approve of this

No 1. Our Grandkids came around today, were splashing in their new paddling pool (only used once before on VE Day a few weeks ago.)

N0 2. My son, stripped down his outboard motor (it’s about the same age as him), and positively identified the two most probable causes of his engine problems

(a) carburettor (though he did get it working) (b) mixture of sea water and petrol and oil,(2 stroke) in a storm, when his dinghy went upside down including the engine.

No3. My wife, I and family are going Sailing Again. (that was just the dinghy)

Its Legal Now.

Pity you poor campers and musicians and performers – they have really got it in for you. They still won’t let you out. Isn’t that doing your head in, particularly if you a living alone in a one bed room flat?

We the audience, and we are really missing you. We want to see you sing and play live again. Why has the government particularly got it in for you? You never had it easy in the first place, but we love you.

You just do what you have to do.

Don’t let your finger tips get soft.

You’ll be back soon – well – if you just do it..

Sing and play your instruments.

Tony

RobG
RobG
May 20, 2020 11:41 PM
Reply to  tonyopmoc

Tony, you are not alone. Just read many of the other comments here.

Did you listen to the Piers Corbyn interview on TalkRadio a few days ago? I’ll give the link…

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HjvnLKgKxsQ

My main point is to read the comments below this YouTube video: no one buys into all this covid 19 shite anymore.

Cheezilla
Cheezilla
May 21, 2020 2:50 PM
Reply to  RobG

That was embarrassing. If Piers agreed to do the interview, he should have been prepared with the proof to back up his statements. The interviewer was good at his job and Piers waffled (rather like Boris) so his points were easily demolished. Good opportunity missed.

Daniel Spaniel
Daniel Spaniel
May 21, 2020 11:04 PM
Reply to  tonyopmoc

Tony, I’m out of practice and shy to play to people but rest assured will be in H%^$&*gs soon… whether I’m any good or not. I said to a friend yesterday.. we’re all lesser or greater but must try to preserve some equality of human spirit, at least.

bob
bob
May 20, 2020 6:34 PM

The only, immediate, way out of this that I can see is when the children go back to school – only then will the true horrors of social distancing become obvious to the happy clappers/ stay safe crowd.

When they see that their child has to queue up to get into school and then sit alone at a table and eat their lunch on their own and go to the toilet on a rota system and play alone in a circle on the playground and then queue up again to go home, waiting for their parent/guardian to collect them under the supervision of the social distancing monitor – the impact should be enormous

But what do I know

Up to now the population has behaved appallingly in this obviously planned coup

Who needs rights when you can be safe??????

Just writing this makes me sick

breweriana
breweriana
May 20, 2020 8:07 PM
Reply to  bob

The schools are worked by selfish mental-cases, and cowards to boot.

NowhereOH
NowhereOH
May 20, 2020 10:29 PM
Reply to  bob

The local superintendent pointed out that maintaining social distancing just on buses would bankrupt the district.
Public schools in America are like Bedlam, these days. I have a relative who teaches in a self-contained multiple handicap unit. Her kids are pretty well behaved and those with issues genuinely have a reason for them. Her room, however, shares a wall with what is called a ‘reset’ room. Typical students are taken there when they have emotional outbursts, melt-downs, or begin threatening violence. The room is padded, with a red ‘X’ in the middle so the child can sit and signal that they are finished and ready to be compliant. I made a CD of loud classical music for her to play in her room, because the shouting and screaming coming through the wall was scaring her students. When the banging starts up, she tells them ‘it’s construction’, but the screams of “I hate you!”/”I want to kill you!” are a little harder to dismiss. The students are carried to the room by adults using a two-man “safety lift” in full view of a camera, for all the obvious liability reasons. All told, there are about twenty or so individual children who have used the room at one point during the year, but there are just under a dozen who are “frequent fliers”. I don’t know how many moderately adjusted child can learn when one of their fellow students is free to start having a fit (at which point the teacher “clears the room” and has all the other students sit out in the hall), only to be hauled away to the ‘reset room’ so class can resume.
… and they want to add social distancing to this mix? They want to take those children who have managed to get through the education relatively unscathed and subject them to all these anti-human policies?

breweriana
breweriana
May 21, 2020 10:27 AM
Reply to  NowhereOH

After reading your post, I would go further with what I wrote above.

These ‘teachers’ should be fired forthwith, no notice given, and sent directly off the school’s premises, never to return. No further opportunity to teach shall be given or obtained, effective for life, and their pensions suspended.

And until this is done, no parent should permit their child to be admitted to these ‘institutions.’

NowhereOH
NowhereOH
May 21, 2020 12:58 PM
Reply to  breweriana

I do not agree with the ‘reset room’ or those administrators who advocate the use of said. But I also have to wonder why there are so many children on ED (emotional disturbance) accommodations. What is it about the way our society is parenting/socializing these children that has caused an increase in these outbursts? Teachers who ‘clear the room’ and have their other students sit outside are doing so to prevent the child having the outburst from hurting their peers (which happens with enough frequency that there’s a form for it). Teachers who do not call out the code and have someone cart the child away to the reset room run the risk of being attacked themselves. My relative is in her early sixties and not a proponent of the ‘reset room’ or of attempting restraint. While her class has been mostly well behaved the past few years, she has in the past been kicked, bitten, and at one point had her wrist stepped on so hard she had to wear a brace for months. The latter was because she bent down to retrieve something on the floor and a student, who was previously not interacting with her, simply saw an opportunity to hurt someone and took it.

Are there terrible teachers? Yes, absolutely. Are the administrators corrupt, rotten, misanthropic, and financially motivated? Hell yes. But there are also very troubled children and teachers who have watched their position morph from ‘educator’ to ‘prison warden’ over the course of their career. They don’t understand why or how this happened.

‘Institution’ is exactly the right word, in its most banal and threatening sense. The whole system is beyond repair and– thanks to the likes of Carnegie, Rockefeller, etc.– was never designed to educate anyone anyway.

Cheezilla
Cheezilla
May 21, 2020 2:32 PM
Reply to  breweriana

It’s more than possible that the teachers are following a protocol prescribed by some box-ticking non-teachers. The teachers themselves are either inhumane or doing their humane best in a shitty system, in which case the kids might be even worse off without them.