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Three New Reads – May

Philip Roddis

As I had last month, I’d wanted in my three reads this month to start addressing the alarming bellicosity of Washington in respect of several nations, but most frighteningly with China. For all those with some inkling of the material factors placing the West and Eurasia on a collision course, such beating of war dreams – aided as ever by the ‘liberal’ Guardian – is wholly to be expected, but its predictability makes the warmongering no less worrying.

All the same, I’m again placing China on the back burner. My choices for May are integrally connected, for all their surface disparity, by the question: where do we go from here?

A People’s HQ for Covid-19 (3,181 words)

The financial resources government has made available for a pause in economic life show the viability of non-capitalist economic planning. But as in 2008, such largesse will come at huge cost to ordinary people unless the labour movement can show leadership and substantially influence, if not control, the narrative. Via bankruptcy, de facto insolvency and debt, key sectors of the economy can be held to ransom by government for regressive state intervention and social engineering.[1]

Whatever our views on lockdown, in principle or in the spatchcock manner of its UK and US implementation,[2] it is going to end. But on whose terms? Will the interests of big business be the sole guide to any return to work?

Of course they will – unless challenged with greater unity and consistency than so far seen from organised labour … from small businesses wrecked by a lockdown whose attendant promises of protection look like so much hot air even as big capital demands bailouts in that socialism-for-the rich fashion we saw in the wake of 2008 … from a disenfranchised precariat for whom compensation has been slow, bureaucratic, unfair and inconsistent … from worried parents and … well, feel free to make your own additions to this roll call of the dispossessed-through-disempowerment in our hollow, revolving door charade of democracy.

That challenge must focus too on the safety of workers. An early salvo in Britain has been the response of the teachers’ union, NEU. Since teachers hold huge potential power, less through their overt role as educators than their half-hidden one as child minders for the UK economy, rightwing media have been predictably swift to damn them.

This question – who calls the shots? – informs the first of my three reads this month.

*

Dissident circles are often nerdy hobby groups (715 words)

The mind can turn anything into a toy for the ego, and this is never more clear than in online discussion forums. Even forums dedicated to disentangling from ego are dominated by Buddhism nerds or Advaita nerds ego-sparring … This is equally true of anti-establishment forums of all sorts, debating whose sub-sub-subfaction of leftism is better or whose coronavirus theory is right

Shortest and simplest of my May reads is this piece by Caitlin Johnstone. I’ve chosen it for two reasons. One, she pairs speaking truth to power, at which she excels, with calls to embrace our spiritual nature. (I hate the s-word but it’ll have to do.) That aspect is buried, as Marx incisively lays bare, by our alienation under the commodity fetishisms of capitalism. Caitlin’s ongoing attempts at synthesis – we might go so far as to say ‘healing’ – chimes with me, graduate from both a Trotskyist and, a decade on, ‘spiritual’ cult. Each had much to offer, and much to deplore.

Two, implicit in my first read is a call to suspend sectarianism in uniting to challenge big capital over its presumed right to dictate the terms of ending lockdown. My third read, addressing the demands of working toward the end of capitalism, carries the same implication.

I’m not speaking of burying division in ‘rainbow alliances’: candy floss coalitions guaranteed to blow apart at the first test. Debate is necessary, and must be robust. But how to conduct it?

A tragi-comedy of the human condition is our pairing of marvellously sophisticated reasoning power with the emotional maturity of an adolescent chimpanzee. Teachers of ‘enlightenment’ call for subjugation, even annihilation, of the ego[3] but I’ve seen no evidence that such a thing is possible.

Living gurus have feet of clay – corrupted by sex, money and/or addiction to power – while those conveniently dead are scrubbed spotless to serve agendas they are in no position – “when did I ever say I was a fucking saint?” – to challenge.

With the monster in us all, courtesy and respect in those necessary debates are of the essence. We might even aspire to a modicum of self-awareness! Next time we slam down an ‘opponent’ – her aims not so far from ours when we really get down to it – for having The Wrong Take on this issue or that, we might pause to ask, what are we trying to do here? Change a rotten world? Be The One Who Knows? Take dark pleasure in the ignorance and stupidity of The Other?

For most of us the honest answer is and always will be that our motives, even on a good day, are mixed. What we’re speaking of here is doing what we can to stay in touch with our best instinct, and at least try to rein in those others. The bad news is we’ll never slay the monster. The good news is we don’t have to. We just have to give it a little less food is all.

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Revolution in the Twenty-First Century: A Reconsideration of Marxism (5,481 words)

Here’s the Big Read, a piece by Chris Wright in Dissident Voice (reproduced in CounterPunch). It addresses a dilemma I’ve wrestled with for a decade.

If you’ll excuse my certainty on this small point, it is a truth universally acknowledged, by all unbiased persons looking seriously into the question, that capitalism long ago ceased to work for most people. Its accelerating inequalities – not just obscene but systemically destabilising – are matched by an intrinsic tendency to war in a nuclear age, and to reckless trashing of the planet.

To borrow from Lenin, what is to be done?

I know the ‘parliamentary road to socialism’ to be an oxymoron. I know too that the vanguard party model of revolutionary change is outdated. In the face of a modern capitalist state – its monopoly on violence and coercion honed in the world’s hell holes from Aden to the Gaza; its surveillance technologies beyond the wildest dreams of twentieth century totalitarianism – the idea of ending bourgeois rule with armed bodies of workers’ militias is a childish pipe dream.

It is also, a point Wright explores in some depth, at root unmarxist. One of Marx’s profoundest insights is that the seeds of revolutionary change are sown when new means of production are held back by the social relations of the old. But they come to fruition only when new relations of production are in place.

The classic cases being the French Revolution and American Civil War. Both succeeded because, over decades and centuries, the social and property relations vital to capitalism’s ultimate triumph over the inefficiencies of feudalism and slavery had been built.

By contrast, the idea of revolutionising the social relations of wealth production by first seizing state power and then using it to build socialised property relations is idealist. In fact, though it be blasphemy to say so, the great man himself had his thoroughly unmarxist moments!

Still more idealist is the proposition that bottom-up resistance movements, thrown into being by the relentless logic of capital itself, can seriously challenge the status quo. Imaginative at the level of tactics – witness the chutzpah of Occupy and Gilets Jaunes – but lacking in strategy and blind to the lessons of history, they are doomed to fail.

So what to do? Turn our back on all three? And on other tendencies thus far unmentioned: the cooperatives, trade unions, people’s banks and other mechanisms capitalism itself ushers into being?

Far from it, argues Wright. All have strengths as well as limitations. The challenge as he sees it is that of renouncing both sectarianism (see Caitlin) and impatience.

On the latter, it may be argued that humanity hasn’t the luxury of allowing the dialectics of real revolution to play out over the century or so Wright envisages.

That is true. But the revolution all thinking people crave will not come about simply because it has to. It will come about if and when – and only if and when – the circumstances, material and objective, of its emergence are in place.

Which is to say that it may never happen. This outcome, given capitalism’s existential threat, is a distinct possibility. But how could that possibly be any excuse for our refusing to try?

For the full archive of Three New Reads, click here

NOTES:-

[1] The link for this first read is one step removed. It goes to a post on my site which hosts a second link to the full text, also accessible from this piece in the Canary.

[2] As a friend pointed out recently, “Even the [deeply flawed] Imperial College model, alleged to be the sole criteria on which decision making was based, factored in only 50% of the populace adhering to any kind of strict lockdown.”

[3] ‘Ego’ is here used in the sense of arrogant self importance, not the very necessary self organising principle understood in some branches of psychoanalysis.

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Tom Larsen
Tom Larsen
May 26, 2020 9:13 PM

Ok, maybe this is a dumb question, I have only scanned the “3 Reads”, but it seems to me that the question that they are trying to answer generally, is how do we bring about more democratic, decentralized, just and environmental sane world in the midst of a capitalist health crisis? But as readers of Off-guardian and the Corbett Report might argue the real question is: how do we bring about more democratic, etc. etc. world in the midst of the greatest counter-revolution, upward transfer of wealth and power by the billionaire class in the history of the world – using a public health crisis as a pretext? How do we debate the right answer when you ask the wrong question? Please help me out here!

Robbobbobin
Robbobbobin
Jun 2, 2020 8:06 AM
Reply to  Tom Larsen

‘I have only scanned the “3 Reads”, but […] How do we debate the right answer when you ask the wrong question? Please help me out here!’

Ritalin?

Robbobbobin
Robbobbobin
May 26, 2020 7:19 AM

“Even the [deeply flawed] Imperial College model, alleged to be the sole criteria on which decision making was based, factored in only 50% of the populace adhering to any kind of strict lockdown.”

Nothing “deeply flawed” about it. It specifically states that no consideration was given to “the wider social and economic costs of suppression” as all such decisions< are the responsibility of government and outwith the purview of 'technical experts'

We do not consider the wider social and economic costs of suppression, which will be high and may be disproportionately so in lower income settings. Moreover, suppression strategies will need to be maintained in some manner until vaccines or effective treatments become available to avoid the risk of later epidemics. Our analysis highlights the challenging decisions faced by all governments in the coming weeks and months, but demonstrates the extent to which rapid, decisive and collective action now could save millions of lives.” [Emphases added]

Furthermore, as pointed out in one of this site’s BTLs when quoting an internal SAGE dissident, it is required of any technical expert presenting a jointly agreed report also to report the content of any internal dissenting opinions. A determination of whether that took place or not necessarily requires confirmation from the Cabinet Office or other primary source before being aired with any degree of journalistic responsibility.

Finally, all of the epidemiological assumptions and statistical data involved in the report are clearly laid out in full, transparent detail. As noted by Sunetra Gupta in an interview republished on this site a few days ago, both present, in context, an acknowledged worst-case scenario (see ‘could‘ in the quote above) that is, in its methodology, unequivocally sound.

Robbobbobin
Robbobbobin
May 26, 2020 7:23 AM
Reply to  Robbobbobin
BigB
BigB
May 26, 2020 1:07 AM

It’s been a disappointing few months. Given the clear and present danger of existential totalitarianism you’d have thought there would have been a strong resistance forming? That there is no solidarity: I agree. But other than a negativised lipservice assault on ”nerdy Buddhists” and ”nerdy Adviata” …Caitlin does not actually say what we consolidate around. Her capitulation to the orthodox order?

Chris wants us in some sort of solidarity economy formed around the subsidised rollout of nuclear powerplants …to preserve our white embourgeoised privilege. No mention of the majority of humanity we are oppressing this very moment in order to subsidise and develop our place in the globalised consumption class struggle. Last I read we need three nuclear power plants every two days: from now until 2050 …just to sustain our historic prejudices and privileges. We are the ecological apocalypse.

Denial of this is why there is no solidarity. Various groups vie for acceptance of their belief systems: in order to maintain a set of entitlement behaviours and practices of self-absorbtion. Everyone has a view on who should give up theirs: no one is saying “Let’s all stop consuming and re-organise – not around production – around low-impact human scale regenerative communities”. Around compassion not consumption.

If, to go on, socialism is the industrial mimicry of capitalism – of high net worth conspicuous commercialised consumption, such as our lifestyles now – then socialism is no solution. It is just a one-dimensional mirror capitalism. And we are the consumption bourgeoisie. No mention of the humanity that is negated and Othered as the Unpeople of our privilege and collective global class amnesia and coercive cognitive dissonance.

“Solidarity” becomes the card-carrying liberal dog whistle of tolerance and acceptance of the subjugation of humanity and what is left of the natural world …to maintain our Eurocentric commodification Fetish and hubris. We are not the truly oppressed: the gaping chasm and Divide in class is beneath out feet. But we never look down. Our ethos is of an identitarian victimisation at the hands of the Ruling Class: never – we are the Ruling Class.

A nerdy Buddhist called Nagarjuna taught us that all belief systems are ultimately flawed, self-contradictory, and incomplete (see also nerdy mathematicians Godel and Tarski ). But there are empirical facts: and moral, ethical and dare I say spiritual facts. We cannot go on in the absentee violence and new colonialism of oppressing the entire world for our aesthetic vanity. We have to stop: now. And not try and consolidate our unethical and unsustainable lifestyles. If we can agree on that?

We’ve had two months: they might be the last two months we get. Voluntary simplicity and the acceptance of less: globally distributed (so those that we are oppressing right now can grow as we degrow). No more dogwhistles to consolidate around entitled white consumption and tacit racism. Industrial ‘nuclear’ socialism is a capitalist pig with shiny new ”solidarity red” lipstick on. It is not ”socialism or apocalypse” …it’s degrowth or apocalypse.

Industrial production; nuclear power; nuclear industrial extractivism; nuclear industrial machinic solidarity; nuclear industrial machine mind; nuclear industrial machine age => nuclear industrialised ecological apocalypse.

La decroissance ou la barbarie?

Here is a read of how it looks from below our averted progressive liberal gaze:

https://www.radicalphilosophy.com/article/the-society-of-enmity

Robbobbobin
Robbobbobin
May 26, 2020 2:43 AM
Reply to  BigB

From the link to Achille Mbembe’s “The society of enmity”:

“Perhaps democracies have always constituted communities of kindred folk, societies of separation based on identity and on an exclusion of difference. It could be that they have always had slaves, a set of people who, for whatever reason, are regarded as foreigners, members of a surplus population, undesirables whom one hopes to be rid of, and who, as such, must be left ‘completely or partially without rights’.”

Amazing. A name like his and he hasn’t heard of ancient Athens, the first documented Western “democracy”? Adult male Athenians only. No women, no foreign residents and very definitely no slaves: all the Negroes and Jews of yesteryear.

Robbobbobin
Robbobbobin
May 26, 2020 3:19 AM
Reply to  Robbobbobin

Further, there has always been indignant contradiction aplenty when, in the midst of a (worthy) “let’s slag off Zionism again” fest I point out that ‘despite’ (so to speak) the politics of the Likud and now also the Israel Resilience Party / Blue and White Alliance (two peas in a hair splitting pod) the modern state of Israel is, by all the standards of established Western ‘democracies’, yet another fully compliant member. As always, a ‘democracy’ consists of that ‘electorate’ within the population that will be counted.

BigB
BigB
May 26, 2020 12:16 PM
Reply to  Robbobbobin

Classical liberal democracy; nationality; culture; centralised polity and Nation-State status – statebuilding with Nation Laws and ethnocentric exceptionalism; uniformity of psyche by policy and the negation of difference are all capitalist inventions of the 19th century. Ones that do not really come to the fore until the enforced breakup of the Ottoman and Hapsburg empires post WW1.

Of which Israel is an ideal exemplar of the fascist nation that capitalism forms time after time. As its ideal model of the teleological end of history. The end of humanity more like.

Robbobbobin
Robbobbobin
Jun 11, 2020 3:53 AM
Reply to  BigB

I wasn’t suggesting that Israel is actually a democracy, I was suggesting only that it fits all of the reqirements that modern, Western, self-proclaimed ‘democracies’ place on members of their club.

Robbobbobin
Robbobbobin
May 26, 2020 7:55 AM
Reply to  BigB

“Given the clear and present danger of existential totalitarianism you’d have thought there would have been a strong resistance forming?”

The danger has been ‘clear’ for decades and it is highly unlikely to be as imminent as ‘present’ might imply for the same reason, but writ much larger, as almost any of the UK’s ancillary support for the government’s policy decisions, such as the heralded contract tracing app, have been imminent. Ripley, the totalitarians at the helm are smart enough to know that a move likely to become as rapidly unpopular as COVID-19 on an R∞ day is not a move to be made prematurely. All or almost all of the evident COVID-19 restrictions and impositions are likely to have been removed well in advance of the next best opportunity: commonplace provides an excellent low-cost emulation of both invisibility and surprise.

Penelope
Penelope
May 25, 2020 11:15 PM

I’m not at all sure that Washington’s opposition to China is real. The appearance of ill-will is helpful to both countries as it makes the citizens of each more amenable to their govt’s inroads on their freedoms. A few reasons to suspect there exists entire cooperation at the highest levels:

–China’s economic miracle began with a meeting in a Rockefeller boardroom attended by the Eight Immortals– China’s elite. –Corbett Report has a few Reports on China & the NWO

— China then received Western technology transfers, contracts and investment.
China committed to two axioms of the NWO– population reduction & removing vast quantities of citizenry from the land and into those mysterious “empty cities” that were waiting in preparation.

–China is explicitly in favor of the NWO. It’s all over the internet saying so. The Chinese attend Davos. China is the only non-Western country permitted to expand its domestic credit/capital without limit– whereas others are limited to currency expansion in an amount equal to their exports.

–George Gao, of China’s CDC attended Event 201 in preparation for the “novel Corona virus”. None of China’s actions vis a vis the virus can be said to have reduced the Western panic scenario. When the dean of a Chinese medical school released the results of a study showing the unreliability of the PCR test, it appears that the Chinese govt had it withdrawn & gagged the dean.

–The Rockefellers & Rothschilds– pre-eminent NWO families– have had a presence of several generations in China & are making great sums of money in her financial and business sectors. In the oldest NWO writings China was always portrayed as being the administrator of Asia within the NWO.
It is America with her secular religion of individual freedom which must be weakened in order to bring in the NWO– not China, with her citizens’ long acceptance of totalitarianism.

–China administers quite a number of America’s primary ports, and even the Panama Canal. Surely these strategic positions are unlikely to be enjoyed by a serious enemy.

I invite others to cite facts that fail to confirm the “serious ill-will” between the 2 countries.

Robbobbobin
Robbobbobin
May 26, 2020 3:30 AM
Reply to  Penelope

“I’m not at all sure that Washington’s opposition to China is real.”

You seem to believe that the best of good capitalist buddies would not commit their citizens and canon fodder to war if that were the best solution to an increasingly intractable mutual problem. And that there was no room in there for a profitable ongoing relationship. Really?

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
May 28, 2020 9:36 AM
Reply to  Penelope

Honestly, where do you get this Orientalist garbage. Can’t you just admit that the Chinese Renaissance is a Chinese enterprise? Is it some form of jealousy, mixed with racist and cultural contempt.

tonyopmoc
tonyopmoc
May 25, 2020 5:19 PM

Blimey,

Dominic Cummings of all people, comes across as a normal human being, in his live broadcast, which I just watched after washing my car. Nice garden. Who was the kid playing guitar in the background? We get that too. (mum says turn it off you are live on telly)

I do like Durham.

I reckon this nonsense will be over soon

Tony

Reg
Reg
May 25, 2020 4:22 PM

Rappoport turns his attention to nanotech. Covid fanatics might want to consider this: you morons are going to be lab rats.

https://blog.nomorefakenews.com/2020/05/25/covid-vaccine-what-else-could-they-put-in-the-shot/

kevin
kevin
May 25, 2020 6:20 PM
Reply to  Reg

Interesting but disturbing quote on the Chinese Revolution from the late David Rockefeller, godfather of the globalists, in Rappoport’s article: “The social experiment in China under Chairman Mao’s leadership is one of the most important and successful in human history.” Rockefeller used his protege Kissinger to arrange Nixon’s visit to China. It opened the door for Chase Manhattan in China.

Fat Bobs Brother
Fat Bobs Brother
May 25, 2020 7:40 PM
Reply to  Reg

@Reg,

Nanotech is really what the 5G / vacination issue is all about. There is an excellent comment from someone called ‘Time to Teach’ below in this thread where he or she explains most people are missing the bigger picture.

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
May 28, 2020 9:38 AM
Reply to  Reg

The local CoViD19 propagandist and hydroxychloroquine slanderer, breathlessly announced that a local outfit had a vaccine candidate, that used a ‘nano-particle’ as and ‘adjuvant’. A ‘nano-particle’?? What could possibly go wrong?

Reg
Reg
May 25, 2020 2:29 PM

Super off-topic but I thought I’d put it here because Gwyn on another thread posted Schubert as her way of dealing with all that’s going on. This is an interpretation of Jimi’s Little Wing by a Czech band called Blue Effect. Some of us will look back like Winston and wonder if we imagined it all.

tonyopmoc
tonyopmoc
May 25, 2020 6:10 PM
Reply to  Reg

Reg, “Radim Hladík (13 December 1946 − 4 December 2016) was a Czech guitarist” is the spittin’ image of a bloke from Preston, who still occasionally comes down our local pub. He claims he was quite famous in the 1970’s and probably was.

Little Wing is one of my all time favourite songs.

It describes my wife perfectly.

Gutted I never saw Hendrix.

He played in Blackpool when I was 15.

My older brothers and sisters, who could have taken me on the back of their motorbikes, were still into Perry Como, the Everley brothers, Cliff Richard and Elvis Presley. They didn’t even like The Beatles. They were like a different generation.

Tony

Nixon Scraypes
Nixon Scraypes
May 25, 2020 1:52 PM

I see mention of Ferguson’s computer model,though I’ve given up hope of getting credit, I actually wrote it! It’s a piece of genius,though I say it myself. Basically you can feed any information into it and the same answer always comes out viz. Just make it up,dummy, they’ve been trained to believe anything an expert says, even more so if it’s a scientific computer model. It’s never failed. Mind you, my conscience is a little troubled when I think of the carnage when they use it for driverless cars and the rest of the internet of things package.

jay
jay
May 25, 2020 2:04 PM
Reply to  Nixon Scraypes

We all new that the code was somewhat buggy when it predicted that Scotland would win the next world cup.

Gwyn
Gwyn
May 25, 2020 2:13 PM
Reply to  jay

Yeah, but that was the tiddlywinks WC…

Gwyn
Gwyn
May 25, 2020 2:17 PM
Reply to  Gwyn

My lame attempt at humour doesn’t even make sense.

(Story of my life…). :o(

Mike Ellwood
Mike Ellwood
May 26, 2020 12:42 AM
Reply to  Gwyn

Chwarae teg Gwyn boi; I thought it was funny. 🙂

Gwyn
Gwyn
May 26, 2020 10:43 AM
Reply to  Mike Ellwood

Dioich yn fawr, Mike boi. Caredig iawn. :o)

(By the way, I’ve just taken delivery of the first volume of Michael Foot’s biography of Aneurin Bevan. Can’t wait to get stuck into it).

Mike Ellwood
Mike Ellwood
May 26, 2020 1:19 PM
Reply to  Gwyn

The one I have is by Nicklaus Thomas-Symonds. It’s good, but perhaps I should try the Michael Foot one for comparison.

Mike Ellwood
Mike Ellwood
May 26, 2020 1:30 PM
Reply to  Gwyn

By the way, and I’m glad I hadn’t misremembered: among the photos in the Nicklaus Thomas-Symonds bio, there is a picture of Nye and Jennie, talking to a hospital patient in the “newly created National Health Service”, as the caption reads.

Nye is holding a cigarette, above an ashtray carefully placed on the patient’s bed!

Gwyn
Gwyn
May 26, 2020 1:47 PM
Reply to  Mike Ellwood

Using an ashtray! Ever the gent… :o)

jay
jay
May 25, 2020 4:39 PM
Reply to  Gwyn

Spot my spelling mistake…not “new”…Knew.

Mike Ellwood
Mike Ellwood
May 26, 2020 12:42 AM
Reply to  jay

I literally LOL’ed at that Jay.

Reg
Reg
May 25, 2020 2:08 PM
Reply to  Nixon Scraypes

Write a piece for here, man!

Nixon Scraypes
Nixon Scraypes
May 25, 2020 10:04 PM
Reply to  Reg

Thanks Reg. I just write off the top of my head. When I see a piece of really sustained journalism like a lot of the stuff on here( covid part 2 in particular) I don’t think I fit in. I’m writing about Conspirophobia at the moment and if it goes beyond 20 lines and doesn’t get too silly they might consider it as a bit of light relief! I haven’t given up the day job, in fact I haven’t got one.

Robbobbobin
Robbobbobin
May 26, 2020 4:24 AM
Reply to  Nixon Scraypes

“Basically you can feed any information into [Ferguson’s computer model] and the same answer always comes out viz. Just make it up,dummy, they’ve been trained to believe anything an expert says, even more so if it’s a scientific computer model.”

You might consider backing up a few days to this site’s replay of Sunetra Gupta’s interview on Lockdown TV. Of all the ‘expertise’, attitudinizing, bombast, stupidity, selfishness and self-entitlement parading presented during this farrago of a collection of ATL and BTL comment on SARS-coV-2/COVID-19 Ms Gupta’s stands out as one of the few examples, if not the only example, of unalloyed excellence in careful, finely nuanced, mathematically informed academic analysis, evidence and thought.

Nixon Scraypes
Nixon Scraypes
May 26, 2020 2:29 PM
Reply to  Robbobbobin

Thanks, I saw it. No bells or whistles, no virtue triggers, nothing for Me,Me,Me,Me…….

jay
jay
May 25, 2020 1:25 PM

So, after the Prime Minister has spoken to the Nation on the matter…this arrogant, unelected clown has the brazen cheek to tell us all to shut up and like it? The ONLY peep out of Him now would be through His Senior, Boris that He has resigned. This man now puts himself AHEAD of the Prime Minister.

Dominic Cummings will make a public statement this afternoon to address fury over his lockdown trip to Durham

tonyopmoc
tonyopmoc
May 25, 2020 6:58 PM
Reply to  jay

To my amazement, after seeing him live ( I assume from his back garden -in North London init), I actually rather liked one of the most hated persons in England. He seems like a normal person, and what he said, from reading his script (and no one wrote that apart from him – you might not like him, but he ain’t thick) I have no reason not to believe almost every word he said.

Look at it from his point of view…He is from Durham, and he has got all the London press, outside his front door nearly every day and they obviously don’t like him (they do actually just more meat for their cameras and their microphones to publish)

It’s almost as bad as what Jeremy Corbyn had to put up with – (and I really did like him)

It was bad enough for the WHO, Pink Floyd, Black Sabbath, Led Zeppelin, The Rolling
Stones, and The Beatles in the 60’s, but at least they all knew each other, and instead of the press, they had pretty young teenagers worshiping them outside their house, and trying to climb through the window at 3:00 am when it was hot.

I feel sorry for him. I bet his wife is amazing.

Leave them alone.

He is only an advisor.

His advice can be ignored.

Tony

Mike Ellwood
Mike Ellwood
May 26, 2020 12:44 AM
Reply to  tonyopmoc

Well, I said it before: I don’t give a damn where he goes. I’m glad he broke the lockdown. I wish everybody would.

Nixon Scraypes
Nixon Scraypes
May 26, 2020 2:36 PM
Reply to  Mike Ellwood

My feelings too, if you got a thumbs down it was my fumble fingers. I keep hitting it when I go for “reply”.

jay
jay
May 25, 2020 12:51 PM

My neighbour is a single parent who is looking after Her son, an autistic adult, He’s quite at the far end of the spectrum. His daycare has been taken away, He is frequently ill, frequently disturbed, breaking things, stomping about Often She sports bruises. He is a good 6′, she is 4 foot nothing. She is recovering from a cancer scare. She doesn’t drive and in any case, they do not have ‘parents in the countryside’. They remain, cooped up in a small flat.
Yet, She is to accept from Boris that Cummings the chief architect of Her present, increased hardship and tyranny ‘did the right thing’. It is implied by Bozo, that somehow She has no ‘humanity’ if She doesn’t accept that Cummings, the grey alien from the planet Draconian was only being a good ‘Human”.

Robbobbobin
Robbobbobin
May 25, 2020 10:02 AM

“Living gurus have feet of clay – corrupted by sex, money and/or addiction to power – while those conveniently dead are scrubbed spotless to serve agendas they are in no position – “when did I ever say I was a fucking saint?” – to challenge.”

Jiddu Krishnamurti had a good shot at it, rejecting the saint/teacher/guru shtuck completely at age 34 after being groomed for it from age 14. Only problem is that he’s so calm about it, in such detail, at such length, that he’s a difficult read or listen for many post-radio hot-media sensibilities, and even for many older sensibilities.

I maintain that truth is a pathless land, and you cannot approach it by any path whatsoever, by any religion, by any sect. That is my point of view, and I adhere to that absolutely and unconditionally. Truth, being limitless, unconditioned, unapproachable by any path whatsoever, cannot be organized; nor should any organization be formed to lead or coerce people along a particular path. […] This is no magnificent deed, because I do not want followers, and I mean this. The moment you follow someone you cease to follow Truth. I am not concerned whether you pay attention to what I say or not. I want to do a certain thing in the world and I am going to do it with unwavering concentration. I am concerning myself with only one essential thing: to set man free. I desire to free him from all cages, from all fears, and not to found religions, new sects, nor to establish new theories and new philosophies.
— Jiddu Krishnamurti

His occultist and clairvoyant discoverer, who first saw him sitting on a beach within a “most wonderful” aura and co-opted his services for spiritual greatness was piqued at the lack of gratitude: “…the Coming has gone wrong.”

Robbobbobin
Robbobbobin
May 25, 2020 10:10 AM
Reply to  Robbobbobin

As an aside to which, I was once told by a somewhat indiscreet youthful acquaintance that she had once gone out with a young man who, contrary to custom, was wont to say, at the climax of an exciting evening, “I’m going, I’m going…”

Arsebiscuits
Arsebiscuits
May 25, 2020 4:35 PM
Reply to  Robbobbobin

UG said he was a chancer.

New ager of the theosophical society.

Robbobbobin
Robbobbobin
May 26, 2020 1:15 AM
Reply to  Arsebiscuits

“UG said he was a chancer.”

“He” = J? If so, I wouldn’t have an opinion. J only has to open his mouth or pick up his pen to start me dozing off, as I kind of hinted. My knowledge of him comes mostly from the several friends I’ve had who hung on his every word and tried to pass them on, when too obviously falling asleep would have amounted to rudeness. Through the rabid disparagment of UG by one of them I was tempted to check him out too, only to find what looked to me like a raving lunatic of a uniquely Indian kind, with a profitable sideline in marketing his purportedly disposable ego with a unique selling tactic of irrationally random irascible rudeness.

kenny gordon
kenny gordon
May 25, 2020 9:51 AM

….left, right, centre…and a shitload of “isms”…i posit that all of these “concepts” are distractions and programmed to deflect the argument towards irrelevancies…there was a suggestion of depriving “them” of their sustenance; in my view, this is getting closer to the target…take away “their” money God and the naked emperor will scurry away into oblivion….i postulate that “we” need to ditch all of “their” beliefs. For the record…i believe absolutely nothing at all…but, as per Jackson program design, i posit the most likely…just thinkin’ out loud..!

Reg
Reg
May 25, 2020 9:48 AM
Lost in a dark wood
Lost in a dark wood
May 25, 2020 5:54 PM
Reply to  Reg

Packed pool party at Lake of the Ozarks shows crowd ignoring social distancing guidelines

25 May 2020

Several videos taken from the Lake of the Ozark Saturday showed people not social distancing. Hundreds of people were packed into a pool and no one was seen wearing a mask.

WorldParole
WorldParole
May 28, 2020 10:41 PM

“Actions are deeply disturbing.”

HAHA!! Yes, people enjoying their life. Being out in the healthy sun.

aspnaz
aspnaz
May 25, 2020 3:09 AM

the great man himself

God, it’s bad enough to read the drivel, but when he starts fawning it is gross.

Reg
Reg
May 25, 2020 1:30 AM

Straight-up propaganda. There are literally no other health hazards anymore.

https://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/WO2005/S00143/children-hit-by-cyclone-amphan-even-more-vulnerable-to-covid-19.htm

Nance
Nance
May 25, 2020 1:24 AM

Did Philip Roddis see Caitlin Johnstone’s embarrassing Twitter stand off with Off Guardian in March, where she showed herself up as a dumb fraud? I unfollowed her and blocked her at that point. I had my doubts before because her profile has gatekeeper written all over it, but I gave the benefit of doubt. But reading her mealy mouthed squirming attempts to justify the lockdown and say wait and see was just too much. I like Mr Roddis and don’t want to have to think the same about him.

tonyopmoc
tonyopmoc
May 25, 2020 2:11 AM
Reply to  Nance

Nance, when Caitlin went AWOL, I stopped reading her, but she is still in my bookmarks bar, whilst Aangirfan has been reinstated. He/she is weird too, but some people occasionaly write some of their own stuff there together with interesting links.

http://aanirfan.blogspot.com/

Aangirfan sometimes posts some beautiful photos and history re where Aangirfan lives in Scotland. Regardless of the politics, I can see the pride. So far as I am aware Aangirfan has remained completely anoynmous. yet has been posting, and regularly banned for many years.

I hope Tom Feeley Information Clearing House is O.K. in the USA. I tried to send him $10 a few years ago, but my payment was blocked, and my account frozen. I had to phone my UK bank up, to get it released (why are you trying to send money to the USA? They didn’t block my 10$ that I sent to feedingamerica.)

” Where Is Tom Feeley?

Tom has asked me to apologize for the lack of updates to the website and newsletter. He has been recovering from pneumonia. Thankfully he has tested negative for Covid-19, which is a great relief to his family, friends and supporters around the world.

His doctors suggest that he should take some further time off to recuperate to restore his health and energy. That may take a further week or so.

We are extremely grateful to all who were kind enough to inquire about his health and offered prayers for his recovery.

Best wishes

The Feeley Family”

He’s a good guy

Tony

breweriana
breweriana
May 25, 2020 10:09 AM
Reply to  tonyopmoc

So, he recovered from the flu.
Most do.

Gezzah Potts
Gezzah Potts
May 25, 2020 12:34 PM
Reply to  Nance

Yeah, with you on that Nance. That infamous twitter stoush with the fruity language (perhaps it was spiritual!?) was the final nail in the coffin regards Caitlin Johnstone.
First time I’ve read an article of hers was just now in the above piece from Philip.
I’d already dumped Moon Of Alabama and WSWS anyway. Since discovered several other excellent sites and blogs, and some excellent writers, so am quite happy.

tonyopmoc
tonyopmoc
May 25, 2020 1:08 AM

I can understand them shutting down almost everything.

But shutting down the pubs is completely obscene.

I’m missing me mates.

“Marilyn Manson – mOBSCENE (Official Music Video)”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mdwZV4Y95Nw

Tony

Andy Brent
Andy Brent
May 25, 2020 12:15 AM

To put it in good old working class English, so popular up until the early 1980s, this whole thing has been a pile of evil-smelling dung, Labour sold out the working classes in the 1990s (I was a care worker then and quangos like ‘Supporting People’ and Unison’s slavish adoration of them caused immense harm). We really don’t need academics telling us how to solve the problem – or a middle class ‘Red Wedge’ 80s-style fiasco. The workers need to say ‘shove it!’ to the whole lot of ’em – and that includes clusters of ex-Guardian readers who still have Guardian-smelling attitudes and, of course, the politicians – all one colour under different coatings of poop.

Alessandro
Alessandro
May 25, 2020 1:07 AM
Reply to  Andy Brent

So Andy what do you suggest happens?

kim
kim
May 24, 2020 11:02 PM

The Russians are doing a good job of embarrassing the west by publishing their real mortality rate figures for Covis, which are well below 1% as low as 0.4% or less, it’s good that they have decided not to play games with this issue, like they normally do.

Mishko
Mishko
May 25, 2020 4:32 AM
Reply to  kim

There is this movie where not playing is a winning strategy. War games.

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
May 24, 2020 11:01 PM

I do love these ‘reads’ where the ecological collapse is NEVER allowed to intrude some semblance of reality.

BigB
BigB
May 25, 2020 11:34 PM

It is mentioned: as “ecological apocalypse”. Solution: subsidised rollout of nuclear. I give up.

tonyopmoc
tonyopmoc
May 24, 2020 10:40 PM

“Dominic Cummings leaves home amid calls for his resignation over lockdown trip”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_h_FsnhDO5k

N_spotted this on Craig Murray’s blog

He is wearing it round his neck (I checked) and thought well so what?

I then googled “In God we Trust The Rest We Monitor”

Looks extremely American CIA to me.

Maybe he needs to wear it, to protect himself.

Or maybe he is working for The US Government.

I dunno – but its a bit strange.

Tony

Lost in a dark wood
Lost in a dark wood
May 24, 2020 11:49 PM
Reply to  tonyopmoc

My headline would be: Cummings caught by the bollocks. He could, of course, go nuclear and state that it’s all bollocks, but a straightforward resignation would probably be the safer option.

Mishko
Mishko
May 25, 2020 4:34 AM
Reply to  tonyopmoc

Not his porn name. Repeat, not his porn name.

Thom
Thom
May 25, 2020 9:41 AM
Reply to  tonyopmoc

I’m pretty sure you’re right, Tony.
Cummings looks like CIA. Look at his past too – you don’t get to run businesses in Yeltsin’s Russia without some decent connections in Washington.
Now, what is the meaning of Cummings being called out over his lockdown journeys?
Is this a warning shot across the bows from the spook bosses to their puppets, or some kind of power struggle in the British state?
Note that ‘neighbours’ again seem to have been involved here just as over Johnson’s little pre-election embarrassment.

mikael
mikael
May 24, 2020 10:35 PM

NOTHING pisses me more than mofo whom somehow must state that this person is what, not what you want, or dont talk about whatever you need, from psedu-spiritual mumbo jumbo to what, there are times I just hate reading comments, one liners, morons whom somehow must find something to stink to anyone they somehow dont like, why cant you just shut the f… up.
God some of you are an pain in the ass, classical ad-honemiens, guilt by associations, etc, etc.

I can without any problem carf up an list of things I know some of you would never read, dont even know about, names you would never have read anywhere, I can even write seach words, names, places, tibes, languages that will not trun up anything, incl on Goolag, and I have been into this game longer than most of you and I have an track record that beats the shit out of most of you, but I dont brag, I take the long route, educate, I dont indulg in inoendos uless its about real time politics, otherwise I go to other sites where I can unload other issues witch I keep out from this site, and I can find shit on anyone I want, anywhere to any given time, but I dont do that just because they something or dont go to deep into some few issues, but but I do like bitches whom show balls, we all need to start from somehwere, and I can also talk about narratives you dont want to, I can link to issues that makes you treble before you even tuch that link, why, because of narratives, and I know personaly what racism is, I have feelt it on my body, been riddicould because I am an dyslectic, treated like an idiot, considered to be sub-human and stil is.

But I have grown out of this quag mire of ignorance, learned to handle facts, but I dont see any reason for attacking people or sites, those times I do that, is to make shure people knows what to expect, but when the day passes and night comes, I am always gratefull for those that knows the difference, that we have different paths dont bother me, that some of the temas are stil untuchable is anoying but that is more due to the propaganda we all have endured thru centurys and stil do, and then the talk about, narratives, how deeply they have infested out reality, our own minds, nothing is harder to change ones own mind, scared into submission because of consensusses and narratives, to climb that wall and look into the other side, I have my self used years to go past some of the hard core narratives I know most of you dont dear to cross, and I cant even link to most of it, but again, I am in this for the long run, education is my only quest, and I always recomend to read books, to educate your self and know the difference, I infact recomend to read this books, but one I do recomend is The Lord of the Flies and to educate your self in another aspect witch is not that comon, and I do now the person of controverial, but that steems more from nonsense and people whom have not read nor undestaud what this person is writing about, Objectivity, this book showed me that when I was young, its Gordijefs All and Everything, or as some know it by, Belzebubs tales to his grandson.

I like OffG, sometimes I get a bit agiated, but I also know the boundarys, self imposed or not, but for me, the issue is about narratives, crashing them without mercy, so I forgive OffG, and without fear, we maybe wrong in some issues, but the overall is that in this latest scamdemic OffG have been a light in the dark.
And since we are after all sivilized? people, have an nice day and take care.

peace

kim
kim
May 24, 2020 11:10 PM
Reply to  mikael

That’s awful. Why don’t you just write a relevant comment rather than tell us how great you are, then maybe we’ll decide if you’re any good or not.

jay
jay
May 25, 2020 12:26 AM
Reply to  mikael

The elite’s motives are based on what you call, “psedu-spiritual mumbo jumbo”.

Mishko
Mishko
May 25, 2020 4:38 AM
Reply to  jay

The profane are such a burden on the illumined ‘llaminated.
If only they knew.

jay
jay
May 25, 2020 12:32 PM
Reply to  Mishko

They will…soon enough.

Alessandro
Alessandro
May 25, 2020 1:14 AM
Reply to  mikael

“God some of you are an pain in the ass, classical ad-honemiens, guilt by associations, etc, etc.”

Nothing stops me reading further when the author becomes hypocritical, in this case being a PITA and use of classic Ad hominem himself within the same sentence critical of others. Given he has written at length its a shame it is wasted.

Robbobbobin
Robbobbobin
May 26, 2020 4:50 AM
Reply to  Alessandro

Many people mistake disagreement for ad hominems. Most people know that. Fewer people know that identifying modus or modi operandi is also often mistaken for an ad hominem.

Fair dinkum
Fair dinkum
May 25, 2020 2:14 AM
Reply to  mikael

You need to get that bee out of your bonnet mikael.

breweriana
breweriana
May 25, 2020 10:15 AM
Reply to  mikael

Another ‘Stream of Consciousness’ devotee.

Thinking is better, then write.

Godfree Roberts
Godfree Roberts
May 24, 2020 10:11 PM

Teachers of ‘enlightenment’ call for subjugation, even annihilation, of the ego. Fraudsters, deluded people and religionists commonly do this, but genuine spiritual masters–of the stature of Jesus, Gautama and Krishna–never have.

S Cooper
S Cooper
May 25, 2020 12:41 AM

Re: Dershowitz

“They had for more than a century before been regarded as beings of an inferior order, and altogether unfit to associate with the white race, either in social or political relations; and so far inferior, that they had no rights which the white man was bound to respect;”

~ Roger B Taney (Dred Scott v. Sandford case of 1857)

“This struggle may be a moral one, or it may be a physical one, and it may be both moral and physical, but it must be a struggle. Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and it never will. Find out just what any people will quietly submit to and you have found out the exact measure of injustice and wrong which will be imposed upon them, and these will continue till they are resisted with either words or blows, or with both. The limits of tyrants are prescribed by the endurance of those whom they oppress.”

~ Frederick Douglas, 1857

Seems the psychopaths are attempting to pull a Roger Taney with the Bill of Rights.

One asks in their psychotic state how many “Typhoid Marys” do they see in the general population: ten million, twenty five million, fifty million, one hundred million, more?

It appears that the Propaganda Pandemic is brought about by a far more serious case of mental illness than was originally thought.

It may come to blows after all. What a shame.

sylviad
sylviad
May 25, 2020 1:54 AM

I’m interested in your comment, because the logic of New Age and esoteric thought (which I believe has been pushed on to the West deliberately for a very strategic purpose) leads you to collectivist submission and annihilates the individual. We are all one….ommmm. The material world is a reflection of your own mind….ommmm. Then why bother with anything; it’s not real, and you don’t exist, neither does the inequality you claim to obsess about. Now bend over and take your vaccine. Marxists obliterate the individual in the same way by their adolescent attacks on the dreaded bourgeoisie lol and their caricatures of ‘the working class’. Marxists don’t see people, individuals, they deal in abstractions, categories, and do exactly what they claim ‘capitalists’ do…fixate on material wealth and gaining power. Anybody who thinks the murderous Lenin is somebody we should listen to, is actually what they claim to hate. As for the big joke played on Marxists. Communism was an invention by the people they claim to be fighting! Did none of you think it was a little odd a CAPITALIST funding an anti-capitalist tome? Lenin was practically CREATED and funded by the WEALTHY EUGENICIST INDUSTRIALISTS of the Fabian Society, which, by the way, also created Imperial College 🤔. Communism was always a means to and end…capitalistic monopolies and central banking. Destroy the dreaded bourgeoisie and what do you get? A neo feudal state of serfs and elites. Communism IS fascism. Capitalism isn’t the problem! It never was. Crony capitalism via a welfare state, and a corrupt banking system is.

Fair dinkum
Fair dinkum
May 25, 2020 2:25 AM
Reply to  sylviad

Crony capitalism, like hierarchical communism, is mutual masturbation among the ruling class and their adherents.
Anarchism (rules WITHOUT rulers) leaves no opportunities for authoritarian WANKERS.

Gezzah Potts
Gezzah Potts
May 25, 2020 5:23 AM
Reply to  Fair dinkum

FD… lots of links and videos flying in all directions in the last 2 months, but this week came across a guy I’ve never heard of called Larken Rose.
Watched a couple of his videos on YouTube, which were very powerful, espec regards hierarchy and the State (and the role of the police) and he was tagged as an Anarchist. However, I suspect he’s more Anarcho Capitalist than Communist. Have you heard of him before?

Watt
Watt
May 25, 2020 12:07 PM
Reply to  Gezzah Potts

Yes. Only recently I followed a link, given hereabouts, to where you can download his book ‘The most dangerous superstition’ for free.

sylviad
sylviad
May 25, 2020 7:58 AM
Reply to  Fair dinkum

I think so too. However, hierarchies are simply unavoidable; they are not inherently bad. No hierarchy equals zero life. Nature is hierarchical; humans can be kinder than nature, but we can’t be divorced from it. The key is diversifying and spreading the power, just like in nature, not building hive structures. The central contradiction in Marxism, one of many nonsense takes on how the real world works, is of course the elite class required to engineer the communist Utopia for the proles. Look at Marx himself, a member and beneficiary of the dreaded bourgeoise. Communism = fascism.

Godfree Roberts
Godfree Roberts
May 25, 2020 2:27 AM
Reply to  sylviad

80-90% of popular ‘information’ on any subject is bullshit. 99% of us know nothing about governance or economics, for example, though they determine the quality and length of our lives. We live in a world of casual disinformation–even about such vital, survival-level stuff. In fact, most Americans prefer bullshit to truth (Germans less so, Chinese even less).

Multiply our ignorance by 100 and you approach our knowledge of Spiritual matters. Not 1% of our population has ever read a Spiritual classic, like the Diamond Sutra or the Bhagavad Gita, let alone understood it. We are a profoundly secular society, increasingly oblivious to the Sacred context in which we arise, change and disappear.

We are also immature. There is no pressure on us–and no societal knowledge of what it means– to grow up. As a result, the emotional age of our society is in the single digits and, like badly raised children, we are at war with our own help, whether political or Spiritual.

We have no idea of what Marx–let alone the Sixth Patriarch–said, nor of how their critiques might be useful to us. Our addiction to bullshit ensures that we will never devote the energy and attention required to investigate their truths, for that would require considerable preparation, time, effort and guidance.

If you want to see democracy 2.0 and capitalism 2.0 in action you must begin with the words of the Great Reviser, then examine the results of his handiwork today, eighty years after he uttered them. Can you guess who he is?

Some people refuse to understand why we do not fear capitalism but, on the contrary, develop it as much as possible. Our answer is simple: we have to replace foreign imperialist and native feudalist oppression with capitalist development because that is the inevitable course of our economy and because both the capitalist class and the proletariat benefit. What we don’t need is not native capitalism but foreign imperialism and native feudalism. On the contrary, our capitalism is indeed too little..Enormous capital is required to develop industry. Where will it come from? It can only come from two sources: the capital accumulated by ourselves and from foreign loans, and we must welcome all foreign investments as long as they obey our laws and are advantageous to our economy.

What does democracy consist of? On what forces does it rely? How does it express itself? To some extent, of course, it expresses itself in the ballot box. It also expresses itself in the deliberations of the village councils, in the opinions seeping up through the ranks of the army, in the resolutions of county governments, in the overt signs of change which appear in the political atmosphere of the times… Without democracy, you have no understanding of what is happening down below, the general situation will thus be unclear… and you will find it difficult to avoid being subjective; it will be impossible to achieve unity of understanding and unity of action, and impossible to achieve true centralism. Leaders’s main task is to keep their ears to the ground.

In a free and democratic country all levels of government, including the central government, will be created by general and equal secret balloting and will be responsible to the people who elected them. It will implement Dr. Sun Yat-sen’s three principles of democracy, Lincoln’s principle of ‘of the people, by the people, and for the people,’ and President Roosevelt’s Atlantic Charter. It will assure the independence and unity of the nation and cooperate with all democratic powers.

sylviad
sylviad
May 25, 2020 6:35 AM

I am trying to explore the spiritual and political dimensions of our condition. I agree with your comment about the level of knowledge & spiritual maturity of most people (including myself), but don’t those two dimensions work in direct opposition to each other? Couldn’t mindfulness be confused with mindlessness, ‘letting go’ with apathy? If we accept impermanence and absence of self, then why is politics important at all? When I try to explain to my family the sinister machinations behind the lockdowns, they say they don’t WANT to know. What can THEY do? Why not just enjoy the sunshine now & not worry about the future? Is emotional/political immaturity, or wisdom? Isn’t it rather Buddhist?

Godfree Roberts
Godfree Roberts
May 25, 2020 7:08 AM
Reply to  sylviad

Real spirituality is neither otherworldly, ascetic nor life-denying. That’s a dead end. There are ascetics who were great realizers, but their asceticism came after their realization.

‘Letting go’, though attractive-sounding to those of us enmeshed in daily cares, is a misleading metaphor and a fruitless practice. Wandering down to the local gas station in your pajamas, picking up a 12-pack and passing a carefree day is letting go.

Real spirituality is the realization of our prior Condition, the Very Divine, in Which and as Which everything is arising–including our body-minds.

The process involves observing, understanding and transcending our tendency to self-contract from the Prior, Divine Condition. The practice is remaining in a state of pleasurable Oneness with whatever and all that presently arises for, in that state, the Divine is inherently and tacitly obvious.

You can find abbreviated/terse descriptions of this practice in radical Taoist texts and in their spiritual descendants, the six Patriarchs, among others.

One caveat: you cannot do this on your own (unless you are an Avatar, in which case you would not be asking these questions) but must find a Realizer or realized community and undergo the discipline they prescribe. Become a disciple, in other words. And that’s where 99% of aspirants balk.

sylviad
sylviad
May 25, 2020 7:31 AM

How does that relate to political action or defensive violence? In Christianity, how does ‘turn the other cheek’ or ‘pleasurable oneness‘ relate to ‘the government is coming to take my children, or forcibly vaccinate me, or seize my property’? Where does acceptance meet resistance?

sylviad
sylviad
May 25, 2020 8:00 AM

I am wary of gurus and cults.

Godfree Roberts
Godfree Roberts
May 25, 2020 8:06 AM
Reply to  sylviad

You have to weary of ordinary, egoic life before you’re desperate enough to seek a Spiritual Master. But there’s no spiritual life without one. You can’t lift yourself up with your own bootstraps.

sylviad
sylviad
May 25, 2020 9:24 AM

You didn’t answer my question…so it’s recommended to stand up to bullies and fight, not go gently into that good night? Cos I see a lot of apathy about the current situation around me.

Godfree Roberts
Godfree Roberts
May 25, 2020 9:30 AM
Reply to  sylviad

Apathy and activism are two sides of the same coin and, while I’m on your side, with the activists, there’s no spiritual dimension to either choice. They’re just life choices.

sylviad
sylviad
May 25, 2020 12:12 PM

If there is no life, or no freedom, there is no choice. There is no spiritual dimension to seek if you are dead or a mind controlled robot. If there is no difference between life and death; they are just two sides of the same coin, then that gives a great excuse to tyrants to equate the two. Are you aware that the UN was instituted in and promotes esoteric beliefs such as the Absolute Supreme, becoming one, immanence…all very handy for a collectivist agenda.

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
May 25, 2020 7:59 AM
Reply to  sylviad

A society based ENTIRELY on greedy materialism, as is neo-liberal capitalism, or ‘democracy’ if you prefer a laff, is already spiritually dead, a zombie freak-show, happily armed with thermo-nukes, bio-weapons and God knows what else. And ‘led’ by malignant dullards like Trump, Johnson, Morrison, Bolsonaro, blah, blah, blah. The Fermi Paradox resolved.

sylviad
sylviad
May 25, 2020 6:49 AM

The film ‘Life is Beautiful’ comes to mind at the moment. How much should we shield ourselves and our children by denying reality. The New Agers will say…you create reality.

gordon
gordon
May 24, 2020 9:48 PM

we must protect the collective

the simple facts are the goy carry disease and distemper

“You Have NO RIGHT to NOT be Vaccinated” – Alan Dershowitz

Arsebiscuits
Arsebiscuits
May 24, 2020 9:55 PM
Reply to  gordon

You’ve no right not to get killed

WorldParole
WorldParole
May 24, 2020 10:30 PM
Reply to  gordon

“If the vaccine kills you, then you have a right to not vaccinate.”

Only after you take it would you know that. How about if Dershowitz actually advocated for the constitution and argued that legislatures should pass laws.

Since his argument is about safety and health, why don’t we apply the same logic to lockdown – where illness is exacerbated by social isolation, depression, anxiety, suicide, drug abuse, domestic violence, and child abuse?

It’s too bad, I actually used to admire the guy.

sharon marlowe
sharon marlowe
May 24, 2020 11:15 PM
Reply to  WorldParole

You admired Alan Dershowitz?!

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
May 24, 2020 11:03 PM
Reply to  gordon

A master of pilpul, or Talmudic casuistry.

Brewer
Brewer
May 24, 2020 11:29 PM
Reply to  gordon

Gilad Atzmon has a good piece on the tradition that informs Dershowitz:

“ Pilpul is the Talmudic term used to describe a rhetorical process that the (Jewish) sages used to formulate their legal decisions… It is a catch-all term that in English is translated as ‘Casuistry’.”

The English word ‘casuistry’ is defined as: “the use of clever but unsound reasoning, especially in relation to moral questions; sophistry.”…………..

…..Pilpul, as described, is not about understanding of the law and its meaning but about the deliberate miss- interpretation of the law so it fits with one’s core interests.

Shasha points out that “even though many contemporary Jews are not observant, pilpul continues to be deployed. Pilpul occurs any time the speaker is committed to ‘prove’ his point regardless of the evidence in front of him. The casuistic aspect of this hair-splitting leads to a labyrinthine form of argument where the speaker blows enough rhetorical smoke to make his interlocutor submit. Reason is not an issue when pilpul takes over: what counts is the establishment of a fixed, immutable point that can never truly be disputed.”

I thoroughly recommend his essay:

https://gilad.online/writings/2020/5/18/pilpul-for-beginners

Willem
Willem
May 24, 2020 9:08 PM

In contrast to the occasional doom and gloom ‘commenter’ who professes that we are all going to miserably die, and that we are fools for not seeing the ‘truth’ that the commenter sees so clearly and so on and so forth (straight out of the handbook for trolls), I believe Phillip Roddis is genuinely trying to give us his best advice. But I can’t make anything out of this latest piece and also not out of the previous one that was published here.

One well meant advice to the author is to get rid of the slogans, -isms and -ians and get to the core. I pick one of his chosen pieces: Caitlin Johnstone. She usually is all about narrative, and narrative control and that you shouldn’t fall for a narrative, yet the only thing Johnstone writes about is narrative.

Don’t write or appreciate narrative. Stick to fact. Either there is a pandemic or there is not a pandemic, and that is the question. Or was the question. It’s no longer a question. So narratives that we somehow should synthesize into something where right and wrong can be somehow mixed into something better make no sense. It is not that difficult. Or maybe it is difficult for if you were wrong and thought that this was The Pandemic. It isn’t. Get over it. Accept you were wrong in your assessment, nothing problematic about that. To err is human and ‘life is but a series of misunderstandings’. That is fine by me. Stubbornly persisting in misunderstanding up to a degree that you become unreadable, however, is not.

sharon marlowe
sharon marlowe
May 24, 2020 10:28 PM
Reply to  Willem

“She usually is all about narrative, and narrative control and that you shouldn’t fall for a narrative, yet the only thing Johnstone writes about is narrative.”

It’s that you shouldn’t fall for a false narrative, that facts should control the narrative, not power;)

Willem
Willem
May 25, 2020 12:15 PM
Reply to  sharon marlowe

Agreed

RahwaTG
RahwaTG
May 24, 2020 9:04 PM

Please spare us the crap and tells us all about Covid-19 + 5G rollouts = anti human blitzkrieg, -OffG? (I just read a study on the correlation between Covid-19 deaths and 5G rollouts. I.e. that there can be no Covid-related deaths where there are no 5G towers…)

I’ve only just got my poor head around the fact that Wuhan was apparantly a 5G rollout test site & now you want me to go to war?

#REJECT 5G 1st!

Dungroanin
Dungroanin
May 24, 2020 10:39 PM
Reply to  RahwaTG

Ever heard of a Faraday Cage?

Kindly go look it up if you are worried and make yourself one against the evil em spectrum.

Reg
Reg
May 25, 2020 12:20 AM
Reply to  Dungroanin

Good advice, Dung. Meanwhile, you’ll be letting your little kids live next to a 5G tower, right?

Dungroanin
Dungroanin
May 25, 2020 12:29 AM
Reply to  Reg

Yeah alright Reg – remember when it was unsafe to have a microwave in the house? Many still believe it!
There were these in the past who thought photographs were bad because they were stealing your soul as well as image!

And there are plenty of snake oil salesmen who want to make a buck from every sucker.

Ain’t buying. Children shouldn’t be so active on all their devices and they will ALL want tge lates kit.

Including the kids of the 5G bigwigs. Many will live near towers.

Reg
Reg
May 25, 2020 12:49 AM
Reply to  Dungroanin

OK, I get where you’re coming from. Have a great day, Dung!

sylviad
sylviad
May 25, 2020 2:29 AM
Reply to  Dungroanin

Poor logic. Because previous fears about new technology were wrong, all fears about new technology are wrong? That would be a wonderful false premise for psychopathic rulers to inflict damaging technology on citizens, and have their own victims crush the dissenting views for them, with claims of Ludditism. Experts still do dispute the safety of microwaves and mobile phones. Also you are confusing two separate issues. The claimed radiation danger of 5G, supported by much science, and the SURVEILLANCE/CONTROL grid it allows.

https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/observations/we-have-no-reason-to-believe-5g-is-safe/

https://steemit.com/news/@corbettreport/the-5g-surveillance-grid

Dungroanin
Dungroanin
May 25, 2020 9:26 AM
Reply to  sylviad

The poor logic is in NOT understanding that we are CONTINUOUSLY immersed by EM radiation!

The secondary fallacy is that ‘SOME EVIL PEOPLE AND THEIR MINION SCIENTISTS’ are poisoning us with the 5G (a communication protocol!)
Which in SOMEWAY doesn’t affect them and their own kids!!

Square that circle for me would you, before carrying on like Chicken Little, can you do that?

breweriana
breweriana
May 25, 2020 10:28 AM
Reply to  Dungroanin

Frightening 5G technology gets investigated by real scientists. Reports here:

http://www.5gappeal.eu/category/news-articles/

Quote:
“News about 5G
March 30, 2020 By Mona Nilsson

March 2020: Effects of 5G wireless communication on human health. A report from European Parliament Research Service. Link

February 2020: Geneva halts 5G and 4G+ rollout for three years. Link (in French).

January 2020: Slovenia halts adoption of broadband strategy including 5G due to uninvestigated health risks. Link.”

And many more.
Yet another politically driven venture, as with the ‘covid’ hoax.

gordon
gordon
May 25, 2020 1:20 PM
Reply to  Dungroanin

dung
i like that word
kosher dung

Mike Ellwood
Mike Ellwood
May 25, 2020 1:50 PM
Reply to  sylviad

People would be right to be genuinely wary about domestic microwave ovens, because the dangers are potentially real, if there is any leakage of radiation from it, with energies of around 1200 Watts, it can cook your body just as well as it can cook your food.

Leakages could occur through faulty manufacture or through wear and teat, and even the FDA warns people not to stand too near their microwave oven when it is cooking.

https://www.fda.gov/radiation-emitting-products/resources-you-radiation-emitting-products/microwave-oven-radiation

Personally I won’t have one in the house, and I don’t miss the “convenience”. (We had one at one time, and it was primarily a space-waster). Not so much because of the danger of radiation leakage, but I don’t trust what it is doing to the food.

Yes, I know that potentially the nutritional value can be reduced by any form of cooking, but many foods can only be rendered edible by some cooking, and I trust traditional methods much more, and tend to heat food to the least level necessary, and for as little time as necessary.

And I admit that probably the greatest practical danger of microwaves is the food that people put in them – microwaves and ready-meals go together like a horse and carriage. Uneconomical and unhealthy with radiation leakage as a possible added bonus.

Ever wondered why cancer is so prevalent in modern society?

FWIW, the energy levels of 5G at the receiving end will be much much lower than those when standing near a microwave oven, so the problem is of a different order. Which doesn’t necessarily mean that 5G is/will be safe.

livingsb
livingsb
May 25, 2020 3:12 AM
Reply to  Dungroanin

There may not be accurate correlating data on 5G and Covid yet; however, I am reading this book(the Invisible Rainbow) and the dangers behind 5G and electricity have not been thoroughly researched by any stretch of the imagination. There is some evidence that flu outbreaks do indeed correspond with higher dosesof electromagnetic radiation. A few homeopathic doctors have publicly made the connection. Right now our society is in the dark ages concerning proper scientific safety investigation before profiteering(i.e. pesticides, GMO’s, vaccines, etc.). In many cases, there may be an ulterior motive of control and/or population reduction.

You aren’t being logical by saying some old technologies are ok, so we should not worry about new technologies. Makes no sense??

Also, many old technologies or habits that have been accepted into the culture are not healthy, but still continue to be utilized.

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/51353279-the-invisible-rainbow

Reg
Reg
May 25, 2020 3:37 AM
Reply to  livingsb

Like it says in The Invisible Rainbow, scientists and industry have simply decided there’s nothing to investigate when it comes to electricity and powerful radiowaves enveloping us. Case shut.

Senate hearing on health impacts of 5G:

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
May 25, 2020 8:09 AM
Reply to  Dungroanin

Reg swears by microwave ovens-he uses his to dry his hair.

Fat Bobs Brother
Fat Bobs Brother
May 25, 2020 7:35 PM
Reply to  Dungroanin

@ Dungroanin

You wrote, “Yeah alright Reg – remember when it was unsafe to have a microwave in the house? Many still believe it!”

You have completely missed the issue with regards to microwave cooking. It was all about removing nutritional elements from food (essential to brain funtion, and therefore thought processes). I paraphrase a Russian / Soviet scientist from the early 1970’s who I cant name:

“We wanted microwave cooking banned throughout the Soviet Union. The technology is not suited to cooking food with. Microwaves damage food, they are violent devices, smashing apart delicate molecules – particularly those important to good long term nutrition. There are potentially dangerous long term health issues associated with bombarding food with high energy microwave radiation”.

Interestingly, the game was given away through flavour – microwaved cooked food tastes flat and downright awfull sometimes. Taste is of course the bodies evolutionary method of warning the eater they were consuming bad food.

So, by concentrating on ‘leaking radiation’ (which was a deliberate slight of hand to muddy the waters and confuse the masses) you completely miss the point.

Perhaps there are many people who are micro-nutrient deficient (and therefore potentially cognitively impared) through eating highly processed and microwaved food. We wont know because the research has been mostly shut down.

Dungroanin
Dungroanin
May 26, 2020 8:11 AM

Such bullshit moronic non scientific gobbledygook.

If you put shit in, the microwave oven OFCOURSE you will get the same shit out – but heated up.

Do tell how you think microwaves function – what is the basic science? Go look it up.

You probably think CT Scans/ MRI/ and even X-Rays are just as deadly and will have a living will denying their use on you or your kids! How about antibiotics or anaesthetic for dentistry?

This incessant drive towards mistrust of science and technology, while USING the products of the same, is the main political agit prop propaganda by the overlords.

You buy it? OR selling it?

Admin 02
Admin 02
May 27, 2020 1:27 AM
Reply to  Dungroanin

dungroanin- that was a sad rant of a comment. You could have at least made an effort to have a friendly discussion with the guy but you replied with utter contempt, no wonder he did not bother responding. Neither would I.

Dungroanin
Dungroanin
May 27, 2020 2:46 PM
Reply to  Admin 02

Really No2?

You should read how much contempt and lies are aimed at me!
Anything from fake accusations of being in some way tied to George Galloway, to being called a ‘Arse’ to a lot worse…

I have just re-read the post I replied to and my reply – it would seem I was fairly restrained and addressed the substance of the comment and it’s writers citation of “facts” that he/she cites as :

‘I paraphrase a Russian / Soviet scientist from the early 1970’s who I cant name:’

If the poster is in anyway feeling a bit miffed with my response to their nonsense and feels a need to express their hurt – I would be more than happy to discuss it with them.

Do you want to ask them ? Or would you like me to?

👌

breweriana
breweriana
May 25, 2020 10:25 AM
Reply to  Dungroanin

You’ll look hilarious sitting on your soaking wet pub (closed) bench with your beer tin in the paper bag – with your rusty cage round you!

kim
kim
May 24, 2020 10:44 PM
Reply to  RahwaTG

Where I live there is one street active with 5G, but the number of covid victims is the same as any other US dependent state.

So I have no idea what you are talking about. Find out how much 5G there is in your town before talk this absolute crap.

Reg
Reg
May 25, 2020 12:19 AM
Reply to  kim

At the same time, you could look into FiveGee if you’re not too arrogant to bother.

kim
kim
May 25, 2020 8:53 AM
Reply to  Reg

Stating facts is arrogant? really, that’s a new one on me.

Reg
Reg
May 25, 2020 9:13 AM
Reply to  kim

No, no really you should look into FiveGee. There are some startling things about it. You’ll discover that the US Deep State MIA Complex has a big stake in it. What will happen is, one day you’ll wake up in your street and it will be festooned with 5G masts. And they’ll be there without your permission. As a lot of things are already in this “democracy” of ours.

Time For School
Time For School
May 25, 2020 12:00 AM
Reply to  RahwaTG

There is considerable confusion / disinformation / misinformation / nonsense muddying the waters around 5G / nano-tech / the ‘internet of things’ / vaccines.

This is intentional and is being actively persued – likely even by elements of our very own 77th brigade here in the UK, along with the so called ‘Alphabets’ in the US, and vested big tech.

The muddying of waters is intentional and has sadly succeeded in shutting down discussion on a very interesting aspect of modern high-technology that involves DNA (natural and synthetic plus RNA – as RNA makes DNA) and electromagnetic radiation – frequencies from the short part of the spectrum we consider to be ‘light’, through to IR and as long as radio, incorporating of course ‘microwaves’.

To cut a VERY long story short, we have arrived at a point in time where RNA and DNA (or more specifically some of the proteins produced) can be manipulated via electromagnetic radiation. By manipulated, I do not mean denatured / mutated / destroyed by ‘radiation’ by actually ‘manipulated’.

I suggest those interested in why tech and computer people (prime example Mr Gates) who are leading the way in wireless computer and communication tech, and of course ‘cloud’ based softwear and data storage are also interested in RNA, DNA, and virus research (and of course ‘vaccination’).

How 5G tech is required to enable the so called ‘Internet of things’ (the original intel code word was ‘Smart’) has become some of the most heavily repressed and therefore difficult to find information. The algos of major search engines will never let you get to original source material – you will have to bounce around to and from various sites to find the links to the material of interest (most people give up research if it does not come up on the first 3 or 4 pages of results).

Injectable nano-tech has already been tested in monkeys, including simple bio-electric powered devices (called ‘robots’). These devices can be manipulated through EM / RF fields. That was in the late 90’s!

Today we have synthetic RNA and DNA – which can be ‘ordered’ to produce protein ‘robots’ inside a cell.

If your imagination and though processes have not been hobbled, I am sure you can you see where this will eventually lead to. For several generations, so called ‘Transhumanists’ have been predictively programming the masses to accept ‘mutants’ and ‘super-heros’, and super-soldiers, and cloned replacement bodies / avatars (with cloud stored memories and even downloaded consiousness).

5G is a major step towards this, as was crisper, as is nano-tech (and ‘global vaccination’), and a completely digital and wireless (with augmented reality) neo-matrix (yes clues were given in the movie way back then – as was Transhumanism 100 years ago in the movie ‘Metropolis’ directed by Fritz Lang).

The anti 5G people, anti-vax people, anti transhumanism people, and anti big tech and big pharma people are all ‘correct’ on many levels but very view have managed to pull together the very big picture of how they all dove-tail.

There is a ‘Brave New World (Order)’ planned for us all, a plan over a century in the making, and one we have been predictively programmed to accept – from the Movie ‘Metropolis’, to Huxleys ‘Brave New World’, to Orwells ‘1984’, and through to every X-Men, ‘Super Hero’, ‘Avatar’ and ‘Matrix’ type movie every made.

The conspiracy is not theory it is fact – but so massive and monsterous that less than 1 person in 1000 can even bigin to join the dots.

Question everything and dive below the muddy surface layers for the truth.

sylviad
sylviad
May 25, 2020 2:39 AM

Well said. They are deliberately covering their tracks by focusing on the 5G coronavirus link, just as they called people protesting about the loss of their civil liberties ‘anti-vaxxers’, when vaccines are a sub-issue of the MAIN one…fascism. People bundle up anti-vaxxer, 5G conspiracy theorist, and their brains shut down. I wonder whether David Icke is used in the same manner. A lot of the information he provides can be verified through reputable sources. So what does he do? Throws in lizard people to muddy the information; that way ALL the information is dismissed as fruit loop territory.

Dave Patterson
Dave Patterson
May 25, 2020 8:18 AM
Reply to  sylviad

– wrong approach – I have some problems with lizard people, but I also accept that icke has been doing this stuff for a very, very long time and it’s not entirely impossible that he knows things I don’t – so for me, I came to the same conclusions as he did about a lot of things independently (bankers control the world, 911 ‘official conspiracy theory’, etc) – so when he says things I have a bit of trouble believing, I just put them on the table in the ‘need more info’ area, and carry on accepting him as a strong spokesperson trying, as most of us here are, to get rid of the overlords, whatever you want to characterize them as, and get on the path to a more sane society and world (and give him a break also – he might just be wrong about some things, while actually believing them to be true – I can certainly identify with that idea, I expect any honest person could … ) – and think – who want to ‘deplatform’ Icke?? The people he is exposing, of course, so they ignore his clear and undeniable truths, and mock him for whatever they can

Fat Bobs Brother
Fat Bobs Brother
May 25, 2020 8:02 PM
Reply to  Dave Patterson

@ Dave Paterson,

You are wise to keep an open mind.

The ‘lizard’ or more acurately the ‘Reptile’ issues is actually widely excepted within many Occult societies, and even the Abrahamic faiths – was not Satan himself a ‘serpent’ (and therefore a Reptile)?

The all seeing eye / eye of providence on the US Dollar bill is actually a reptillian eye, not Human.

Prior to the last great extinction event the Earth was dominated by, wait for it – Reptiles!

Is is not possible that some of these Reptiles survived the great extinction – advanced forms, and intelligent – not the forms we call ‘Dinosaurs’.

Perhaps they made it through in deep underground bunkers – like we have today (and if a massive asteroid hit the earth today the only Humans to survive would be those in the Deep nuclear bunkers, and all other animals would be lost).

Perhaps in 100.000 years a new intelligence would emerge, long after any form of metal objects made by men had returned to dust, and concrete crumbled to dust, and stones weathered away, they would find fossils of elephants, tigers, cats , and birds, and determine they are the first intelligence on the this planet – just like we Humans have?

The Reptile / Human co-evolution thing goes real, real deep – as anyone who has spoken to Icke and others of his stature will know, and especially anyone who has studied Spiritual Warfare at significant depth.

Oh – dont get me started on the relationship between Earth, Mars, and Saturn, and later Venus, as that is relevent too – Dr. Velikovsky’s ‘Worlds in Collision’ will give an intro to that.

Remember today, 99.9% odf Humans are not ‘educated’, they simply know enough to work the machines and labour for the elite, so much of the ancient knowlege hidden in plain sight is invisible to them even when they are shown.

livingsb
livingsb
May 25, 2020 3:17 AM

Do you have any source material that actually connects the dots that you can recommend? I believe you are absolutely correct.

Mishko
Mishko
May 25, 2020 4:46 AM
Reply to  livingsb

Elena Freeland and her work. Her lectures and books.

WorldParole
WorldParole
May 24, 2020 8:52 PM

Awesome!!

https://youtu.be/oBIoKY5bNeE – catch before YouTube censors this guy.

Dungroanin
Dungroanin
May 24, 2020 10:50 PM
Reply to  WorldParole

Don’t get me wrong – I dont think a CV virus is going to be available safely for YEARS and I certainly won’t be taking it or a flu shot until i am old an in a very vulnerable group.

However that guy in the video!

He Sounds like a moron who doesn’t understand that flu comes in multiple strains and of course the annual flu vaccine is not going to be effective against all strains. As for his ‘lets abandon the rest of the 10,000 people in the random study and only look at these who got a flu whilst also having a flu jab! Unbelievable. Is he a real doctor? He seems like a showman!

In short – bollocks.

WorldParole
WorldParole
May 25, 2020 2:30 AM
Reply to  Dungroanin

Don’t forget that the polio vaccine also had mountains of trial runs, with lots of death. There was even a gentleman who tried his own formula on himself. It cost him his life.

As far as your argument for flu being multiple strains – the same stupid MSM logic excuses them to pass “wave after wave” at their discretion. Why do we keep “immunizing” using vaccines if we are to follow that logic? Who is to say other supposed static viruses don’t also evolve? Because germ theory is “bullocks.”

Yes, evolution, mutations is all good science. However there are gaping holes in the germ theory and our understanding of disease. I will safely say that these simple “symptoms” of first cathing COVID are basic autoimmune responses. If we incite enough fear, engage the placebo psychosomatic effect, and lure people down a road of lunatic, toxic treatments, then it would be easy to tally another “Covid” death.

Glidden has done some astounding work with Selenium and breast cancer. I don’t have links ready offhand, but I’m sure a little digging and his work will speak for itself.

kim
kim
May 24, 2020 10:54 PM
Reply to  WorldParole

It’s not a medical issue, it’s geopolitical.

WorldParole
WorldParole
May 25, 2020 2:32 AM
Reply to  kim

Yes. I agree. But if they want to use medicine as chess pieces, then checkmate.

S Cooper
S Cooper
May 24, 2020 8:16 PM

“HOW TO DEFEAT THE PANDEMIC”

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Charlotte Russe
Charlotte Russe
May 24, 2020 7:55 PM

NO THANKS

Chris Wright’s slick article depicts the path to socialism through the “art of compromise.” It’s obvious, Noam Chomsky, is Wright’s muse inasmuch as every four years the linguist appears on “Democracy Now” singing the praises of the Democratic Party. In 2016, Chomsky was endorsing warmongering Hillary and now it’s demented Joe. In the end, Wright’s 5,481 word article is reduced to a sophisticated Democratic Party campaign ad clearly expressed in his closing remarks: “Loath as we might be to admit it, it is even important that we support lesser-evil voting, for instance electing Biden rather than Trump. Not only does it change people’s lives to have a centrist instead of a fascist in power; it also gives the left more room to operate, to influence policy, to advocate “radical reforms” that help lay the groundwork for new economic relations.”

So there you have it, vote for Biden and you’re on your way to a new kind of socialism better known as crony capitalism.

S Cooper
S Cooper
May 24, 2020 9:02 PM

It is like they are IN THE LAND THAT TIME FORGOT. Almost as if they have never had an original thought of their own. They are going to be the death of us all. They need to go, the sooner the better.

“The worker who votes the Republican or Democratic ticket does worse than throw his [her] vote away. He [she] is a deserter of his [her] class and his [her] worst enemy.”

~ Eugene Victor Debs

Charlotte Russe
Charlotte Russe
May 24, 2020 9:37 PM
Reply to  S Cooper

Wright, is an example of the co-opted Left.

S Cooper
S Cooper
May 24, 2020 9:56 PM

There are those, tongue in cheek, who may give that another name, “A CARD CARRYING MEMBER OF THE CIA PARTY.”

Charlotte Ruse
Charlotte Ruse
May 24, 2020 10:57 PM
Reply to  S Cooper

That too…..

Gezzah Potts
Gezzah Potts
May 25, 2020 12:45 PM

I guessed that when he started going on about the odious Jacobin and DSA crowd and AOC in his piece. I almost stopped reading.
Gatekeepers everywhere Charlotte.

sharon marlowe
sharon marlowe
May 24, 2020 9:50 PM

Thank you, Charlotte Russe:) I haven’t read it, and won’t after your review. I’m against this summation in the above article:

“In the face of a modern capitalist state – its monopoly on violence and coercion honed in the world’s hell holes from Aden to the Gaza; its surveillance technologies beyond the wildest dreams of twentieth century totalitarianism – the idea of ending bourgeois rule with armed bodies of workers’ militias is a childish pipe dream.”

I don’t think violence against the bourgeois should be ruled out of revolutionary thought. I know that the Vietnamese and Syrians have withstood the imperialist forces through violence, so why rule it out?

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
May 24, 2020 11:14 PM
Reply to  sharon marlowe

If they thought their Full Spectrum Dominance of humanity was really at risk, the parasites would kill billions, happily.

sharon marlowe
sharon marlowe
May 25, 2020 12:03 AM

Who’s going to kill billions for the parasites? Their fantasies are not reality, Richard;)

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
May 25, 2020 8:11 AM
Reply to  sharon marlowe

Bioweapons, Sharon, will do it easily.

sharon marlowe
sharon marlowe
May 25, 2020 1:50 PM

We learned from this that there are too many cowards making their voice heard. On another day, the courageous will be heard;)

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
May 24, 2020 11:12 PM

Biden and the DNC have sidelined ANY representatives of the Sanders campaign, which, in fact, like 2016, won the primaries before vote theft. Boynie don’t give a stuff, like the old sheep-dog he is, and has gotten his delegates to sign a pledge to not make trouble for his ‘friend Joe’ at the Convention. Meanwhile Biden’s putative Admin is stuffed with Wailing Wall Street blood-suckers like Summers, and Biden RAPIDLY dements before our eyes. Ain’t ‘demo-crazy’ grand?

paul
paul
May 25, 2020 2:04 AM

Just the latest brand of the kosher sandwich.

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
May 25, 2020 8:13 AM
Reply to  paul

ALL in plain sight, but none dare say a word. Absolutely amazing, mesmeric, indescribable.

Admin1
Admin
Admin1
May 25, 2020 11:23 AM

You and Paul casually include an entire ethnicity/religion in your condemnation and then, next breath, you, Richard, are calling people ‘racist’ for simply criticising the Chinese govt!

paul
paul
May 25, 2020 5:20 PM
Reply to  Admin1

A pity you can”t bring yourself to display similar pearl clutching whenever anyone talks about the Arabs, or the moslems, or the Russians, or the Chinese, or the Fijians.

If you want to know who rules over you, ask who you are not allowed to criticise.

Admin2
Admin
Admin2
May 25, 2020 6:00 PM
Reply to  paul

Simplistic racialized or ethnicized slurs are not good-quality discussion, rather it entrenches generalised prejudices. If you can’t pin your enemy down beyond their religious or ethnic group you are an ill-informed person. Unless you are implying that all Jews are somehow collectively responsible for actions which are, in fact, attributable to a very small handful of powerful people, not all of whom are Jewish?

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
May 28, 2020 10:05 AM
Reply to  Admin2

Of course Wailing Wall Street is merely dominated by Jewish elites. There are some goyim involved, too. These predatory elites represent tiny fractions of their communities, but they are bound by intense class and tribal loyalties, nepotism etc. Meanwhile, in the case of Jews, most Jews, of which there are numerous sub-groups, divided by religious and ideological affiliations, are not involved in the financial parasitism and predation, and many Jews, mostly secular, are actively opposed to neo-liberal capitalist blood-sucking.

Dave Patterson
Dave Patterson
May 25, 2020 8:28 AM

obviously this Wright guy is in deep-stage Trump Derangement Syndrome, thus reading anything he writes is a total waste of time.

John Pretty
John Pretty
May 24, 2020 7:47 PM

“Shortest and simplest of my May reads is this piece by Caitlin Johnstone. I’ve chosen it for two reasons. One, she pairs speaking truth to power, at which she excels, with calls to embrace our spiritual nature.”

Good grief.

Ugh, I was never really a fan of hers, but her stance on the coronavirus issue put me off her for good.

What is is she likes to say, “he who controls the narrative controls the world”.

Perhaps she could add, “oh, unless there’s a virus”, in which case we’ll just do as our governments tell us.

She’s not exactly speaking truth to power over this issue!

sharon marlowe
sharon marlowe
May 24, 2020 9:52 PM
Reply to  John Pretty

I’m on the other side of disappointment, John Pretty. I was a huge fan of hers.

molloy
molloy
May 25, 2020 3:23 PM
Reply to  sharon marlowe

Irony?

Arsebiscuits
Arsebiscuits
May 24, 2020 9:58 PM
Reply to  John Pretty

She sounds like her tits fell off without her noticing whilst writing that puke.

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
May 24, 2020 11:15 PM
Reply to  Arsebiscuits

Always lowers the tone.

Admin2
Admin
Admin2
May 24, 2020 11:56 PM
Reply to  Arsebiscuits

Cut out the misogynistic, teenage crap about breasts falling off, please. Thanks A2

molloy
molloy
May 25, 2020 2:12 PM
Reply to  John Pretty

“She’s not exactly speaking truth to power over this issue!”

Well, is that because ‘Cait’ is a CIA asset?

.

sharon marlowe
sharon marlowe
May 25, 2020 2:45 PM
Reply to  molloy

A CIA asset who spends quite a bit of time writing about freeing Assange? Are you a CIA asset, molloy? 🙂

molloy
molloy
May 25, 2020 3:21 PM
Reply to  sharon marlowe

Yes. And you are Harpo Marx?

BDBinc
BDBinc
May 25, 2020 8:19 PM
Reply to  sharon marlowe

Agent Assange is CIA asset, he’s a bloody media celeb hero .

MLS
MLS
May 24, 2020 7:13 PM

Why bother with Caitlin Johnstone? All she has produced since the covid crap began is equivocating bullshit, pseudo spiritual truisms and desperate justifications for not taking a stand. She’s a gatekeeper or an abject coward.

The article Roddis quotes is especially rich since it’s an obvious attempt to sneer at this site and the few others who have stepped up to criticise the tyranny being unpacked. Not content to be a coward or a gatekeeper this horrible woman has to try to discredit anyone with guts enough to make a stand. Why the fuck is Roddis including it? Is it a snipe from him to OffGuardian?

Do we give kudos to OG for publishing, or is it giving people who don’t deserve it free publicity?

tonyopmoc
tonyopmoc
May 24, 2020 7:20 PM
Reply to  MLS

Caitlin Johnstone is not a ” horrible woman”. I am basically a massive fan. I think she is highly talented and a good person. However, she is like nearly everyone I know. She has been brainwashed too. I hope she gradually realises it, and again starts writing sense.

Tony

MLS
MLS
May 24, 2020 7:39 PM
Reply to  tonyopmoc

If she’d just kept quiet over this you maybe could have a point, but how do you defend her attacks on OffG for taking a stand? She has always had red flags, such as the way she is promoted by gatekeepers like Aaron Mate, and the cowardly way she avoids anything too controversial. She’s shown herself up now for what she is. Let her go. Even if she does come round in future, who cares? She’s fake. She’s washed up. I deleted her site from my bookmarks back in March.

Gary Weglarz
Gary Weglarz
May 25, 2020 12:15 AM
Reply to  MLS

MLS – please by all means share the information you have on Aaron Mate’s “gatekeeper” status.

Nance
Nance
May 25, 2020 12:55 AM
Reply to  Gary Weglarz

How about the fact he and Caitlin and the rest of the phony left refuse to talk about 9/11? Or how about the fact they get promoted by the mainstream in the guise of attacking them? Johnstone was totally created as a gatekeeper entity through that false controversy a few years ago.

Or how about the fucking fact they are totally ok with a fascist state. I mean are you kidding? There’s being mistaken and then there’s clapping the arrival of the Nazis. Their behaviour is unforgivable and inexcusable. I can’t believe anyone would say they are hoping Johnstone changes her mind. That’s like hoping Leni Riefenstahl changes her mind. The bloody woman has no problem with a fascist police state, so she’s either an idiot or a sellout or a shill, how can you trust anything she says again?

Dave Patterson
Dave Patterson
May 25, 2020 8:35 AM
Reply to  Nance

leave Leni out of this, another story altogether. but I agree with the ‘this far and no farther’ gatekeeper idea – 911 has been that line since that day, and now we can probably add the C19 phantom menace story as a pretty solid indicator of who is ‘really’ fighting the deep state. It looks like, as with 911, the ‘official story’ that goes in the NWO history books is that the world economy, and all problems arising from that, was caused by the terrible covid pandemic, with a complete coverup and writing out of the facts of the situation, that it was really nothing more than a flu variant, and the world economic crash etc was causing by a completely unnecessary lockdown for which the phantom menace was the justification

S Cooper
S Cooper
May 24, 2020 7:42 PM
Reply to  tonyopmoc

Yet another toady on “THE NEW THIRD REICH GRAVY TRAIN.”

John Pretty
John Pretty
May 24, 2020 9:14 PM
Reply to  tonyopmoc

Tony, I can understand your defence of Caitlin Johnstone as a person.

Clearly there is only a limited amount that can be known about someone with a media presence, even one with a fairly high profile presence in alt media circles as Johnstone has.

She’s not really my cup of tea anyway, but I take your point. I am sure she has some very admirable personal qualities.

I think though, that she has upset and disappointed a lot of people in her capacity as a political commentator over the coronavirus issue. I think people expected a lot more of her.

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
May 24, 2020 11:32 PM
Reply to  John Pretty

What? That she would (and must) think exactly like ‘..a lot of people’? Otherwise-the Outer Darkness?

John Pretty
John Pretty
May 25, 2020 12:54 PM

I was being diplomatic.

And please direct me to where I said she “must think exactly like a lot of people”?

I didn’t say that and you misrepresent my position.

Her views on the pandemic upset a lot of people in the alt media and she has not been afraid to argue her position with others.

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
May 28, 2020 10:07 AM
Reply to  John Pretty

I extrapolated from your final observations. Not excessively, either, in my opinion.

Loverat
Loverat
May 24, 2020 9:58 PM
Reply to  tonyopmoc

Well, I happen to think Caitlin Johnson’s thinking and writing is superb. That’s why I was so surprised to learn her stance on Covid-19. Also others too. Greanville Post, Rania Khalek (although she is a flip flopper on Syria) and others.

I can’t reconcile CJ’s previous work with being a ‘fake’ or ‘gatekeeper’. But we’ll see. For me, the test is not someone being wrong over an ssue, but whether that person can swallow their pride and admit if they are proven substantially wrong.

Very few people do this. May I suggest we reserve judgement on CJ until then. I have been disappointed enough with people lately to remove her too from my reading list.

beer
beer
May 24, 2020 10:40 PM
Reply to  Loverat

Her writing was stunning, that’s true. My sense is that the pandemic is more science-y than she was used to dealing with and so she struggled with it and defaulted to following what people she respected were saying about it. Some people have a blind spot like that; why can my mum, after years of using e-mail, still not attach a photo to a mail on her own? Caitlin had orthodox views on climate change too.

Nance
Nance
May 25, 2020 1:10 AM
Reply to  beer

She’s defending fascism, not making a bit of a bad judgment call.

Her writing is not stunning. She writes like a pop journalist for a teen mag, and uses the work of real investigators like Beeley and Robinson to shamelessly self promote. Her standing comes from clever marketing by her and her handlers. She’s a product.

sharon marlowe
sharon marlowe
May 25, 2020 3:02 AM
Reply to  Nance

She’s a great writer, Nance. She deserves criticism for believing a cover-story instead of being suspicious, but your criticism of her writing is ridiculous.

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
May 24, 2020 11:33 PM
Reply to  Loverat

Another Enemy of the People!! Cast him out! Where are my stones?

Admin1
Admin
Admin1
May 25, 2020 12:37 AM

The irony of you, the most intolerant commenter on here, who routinely calls anyone who disagrees with him ‘cultists’ or ‘omnicides’, having the gall to call other people out on intolerance!

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
May 25, 2020 8:15 AM
Reply to  Admin1

Cultists, yes-omnicides, not recently. Anthropogenic climate destabilisation denial will lead to a Holocaust of Life on Earth, however, and I can’t think of another term appropriate to its practitioners. Many not deliberate, just stupid and brainwashed. As for me being the MOST intolerant-surely you jest.

breweriana
breweriana
May 24, 2020 7:28 PM
Reply to  MLS

Caitlin Johnstone.

Yet another sheepdog.

The list gets longer by the day.

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
May 24, 2020 11:34 PM
Reply to  breweriana

Soon you’ll be the only one left. A faction of one.

Jelly
Jelly
May 24, 2020 7:00 PM

Cummings not gone yet? ……. boy they are really milking this one hard, but we won’t have long to wait for the ‘dramatic’ turn-around on Monday morning, just in time for BBC Radio 4’s, Today Programme or world at one. My bet is he’ll be in the USA at Harvard or Columbia within a year for services rendered to the US empire.

John Pretty
John Pretty
May 24, 2020 7:50 PM
Reply to  Jelly

Peter Hitchens has suggested that, repulsive though Cummings is, it would be better that he was retained by Boris so that people can see what hypocrites they are.

Mike Ellwood
Mike Ellwood
May 24, 2020 8:31 PM
Reply to  John Pretty

And we want as many people as possible in the dock for the Covidberg Trials when they eventually take place.

kim
kim
May 24, 2020 10:50 PM
Reply to  Mike Ellwood

Show trials for the new leader ? Whilst Boris and crew are disgusting, I’m pretty sure that those trying to replay them are equally disgusting. Neither of these groups are on our side, they all work for the same crooks.

Mike Ellwood
Mike Ellwood
May 25, 2020 3:27 PM
Reply to  Jelly

Durhamgate serves as a wonderful distraction from the real issues.

BDBinc
BDBinc
May 24, 2020 6:55 PM

We don’t have capitalism. What we have is banksterism a private lending cabal that controls govts.
Not a fan as one of the goals plundemic agenda is a economic system reset for those than lend money “the people can eat cake”. I am skeptical of any of those so called lefty narratives that drone on the same as msm. Pointing the finger at a concept that we don’t even have in the economic monopoly.
Surely you’ve seen to money flowing towards the banking cabal’s agenda.
Capitalism, China, Biden Trump, Russia ( all msm narratives)rinse repeat.

Its ignorant to think you can have outer changes or peace in the world without making the inner ones.
Find peace inside and you make peace with the world.
All else is lunacy .

Jelly
Jelly
May 24, 2020 7:17 PM
Reply to  BDBinc

The real left created the national health system, and with the help of unions, workers rights and good pay for a large part of the population last century. Demanding rights and better conditions for the working population is basically what the left is. If they are not doing that then they are not the left. I don’t know why people call Blair, Pelosi or Kier Starmer, left wing, they are far from, they are controlled opposition.

Freeborn John
Freeborn John
May 24, 2020 6:28 PM

If that’s my choices I’d rather go with sex and Soma everytime thanks.

Hail
Hail
May 24, 2020 5:57 PM

“beating of war dreams”

Multi-level pun, or typo?

Even if unintentional, good phrase/concept.

jay
jay
May 24, 2020 4:56 PM

Dominic Cummings has ordered Boris Johnstone to resign…

Boris Johnson will address the nation at 5pm TONIGHT

tonyopmoc
tonyopmoc
May 24, 2020 6:19 PM
Reply to  jay

jay,

I now find The Daily Mail, completely hilarious. Some of the photography is brilliant – I actually know a press photographer – very Tory, but he is actually quite a nice bloke, and takes extremely good photographs.

If you want to see a response (I don’t do Telly) Tony Diver just wrote something in The Telegraph, purporting to be what Boris said.

https://uk.linkedin.com/in/tony-diver

Tony

jay
jay
May 24, 2020 7:14 PM
Reply to  tonyopmoc

I am delighted that Boris has not sacked His most senior adviser and divisor of our current plight. Their hubris knows no bounds. It cannot be seen as anything else by ‘we’ Mail readers and certainly, the comments seem to reflect this. This can only undermine the government position further. It is all too apparent that Cummings journey of necessity was not His only dalliance. This will not go away.
Once upon a time, I did subscribe to the Telegraph when a lively debate was possible in the comments. Unfortunately though The Telegraph was really just “The Mail” without Kim Kardasian but with a paywall.
No doubt, I will have to also exit the Mail too as their means of squashing trolls such as yours truley seems to becoming increasingly assiduous.
I do not really need an introduction to a paparazzi, I have a full retinue of unsaviory cut throats on my books, thanks.

tony_opmoc
tony_opmoc
May 24, 2020 9:15 PM
Reply to  jay

jay, whilst I kind of agree with you, the ex-press photographer, that I know – and he is only about 40, was the very first – of our social group to volunteer to deliver food to anyone in need who lived in the area in which he lives, before this crap had really kicked off.

He thinks I am extreme Left Wing, but I didn’t do that, that quick.

Judge not the label, but what people do.

Tony

jay
jay
May 24, 2020 10:33 PM
Reply to  tony_opmoc

Even although our oppressors will no doubt know this is all a deception they believe that they do it for a greater good and a better future, this will include of course include charitable acts.
Of course, they are gravely wrong, but impossible to defeat.
There will never be a better future out of the pain and destruction they cause.

beer
beer
May 24, 2020 11:14 PM
Reply to  jay

Around a decade ago, shortly before they disappeared behind the paywall, the Telegraph changed; I think they may have let their experienced journalists go, apart from Chris Booker, and replaced them with others straight out of journalism school. I do wonder how much longer it will survive.

Mike Ellwood
Mike Ellwood
May 25, 2020 3:34 PM
Reply to  beer

I heard something on the radio about the weird Barclay brothers trying to sell it, amid some strange intra-family lawsuit going on.

Even before the covid saga, it was the one newspaper that you would guarantee would have the shelves groaning with unsold copies at the end of the day, and yet the supermarkets continued to reorder them in the same excessive numbers. I assume they have an over-generous returns policy. Their print edition must surely be losing money. Does the paywall make enough to counteract this?

Dan
Dan
May 24, 2020 6:55 PM
Reply to  jay

I think your confused, or maybe mis-read the title of a news article

tonyopmoc
tonyopmoc
May 24, 2020 6:58 PM
Reply to  Dan

Not at all. I think Tony is a very talented kid – very impressive cv. The rest of them, have quite obvious all fcked off, and left Tony Diver in charge.

I’m impressed.

Tony

S Cooper
S Cooper
May 24, 2020 4:46 PM

Hey New York, have an aged parent (costing you a small fortune) you want waxed? Send that pesky useless eater-no longer paying their way old slacker to GOVERNOR DEATH. He will rip out their larynx and put them on a ventilator. Take them right out of their misery.

“Out with the old and in with the new. Heil Cuomo-Virus!”

https://imgflip.com/i/40bn08

breweriana
breweriana
May 24, 2020 4:56 PM
Reply to  S Cooper

Euthanasia by the back door.

Ventilated and sedated to death, deprived of food. Hard way to go.
And the hospitals, it seems, are making money out of it.

If this is the ‘new normal’ I want no part in it.

Arsebiscuits
Arsebiscuits
May 24, 2020 5:13 PM
Reply to  breweriana

We’re in the minority to not accept this new abnormal.

Admin2
Admin
Admin2
May 25, 2020 12:05 AM
Reply to  Arsebiscuits

I think there are plenty of people privately doubting things.

BDBinc
BDBinc
May 24, 2020 7:04 PM
Reply to  breweriana

They were doing it more surreptitiously before operation COVID19 with the Crown in NZ legalizing the murder of patients calling it ” Suicide Bill”.
Yes saving money for the Crown by murdering vulnerable people is to them like making money.
Its a symptom of collective sickness when life has no value to Drs and nurses, mind conditioned even in a medical training that destroys empathy ending up with Nuremberg syndrome.

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
May 24, 2020 11:37 PM
Reply to  breweriana

Deprived of solid fluid,AND hydration. Dehydrated to death, and no complaints!

Gwyn
Gwyn
May 24, 2020 6:03 PM
Reply to  S Cooper

Andy should take a leaf out of old Addie’s book, and try a cheeky little smile now and then!

The grumpy bugger. ;o)

Shruti
Shruti
May 24, 2020 4:44 PM

Is this about compulsory virtual group hugs?

Edwige
Edwige
May 24, 2020 4:31 PM

Not appearing in one of those Fraudian ‘What we know so far’ articles anytime soon:

https://swprs.org/a-swiss-doctor-on-covid-19/

Arsebiscuits
Arsebiscuits
May 24, 2020 3:57 PM

Too many reference to communist garbage.

But it wasn’t the right type of communism…..

livingsb
livingsb
May 24, 2020 5:03 PM
Reply to  Arsebiscuits

Yeah, not into the communist bullshit. The Bolshie revolution was funded by Wall Street bankers. This is a fact. Capitalism, communism, socialism-fuck the labels…how about a pro-common sense and pro-human party. Systems are made purposefully complicated and contentious to benefit the elite scum.

martin
martin
May 24, 2020 3:53 PM

Childish nonsense. How about a Caliph very early on found that lending money at interest made you master of all things, as long as nobody else was allowed to. It was a long struggle organising the dialectics and assassinating people and recruiting and staging stuff, but by halfway thru the 20C it was finally in place, they succeeded in their dream of dominion.

Unfortunately by then there were too many Mamluks. This could not go on, there just wasn’t enough to go round, and nobody wanted to pick the fruit. Russia was a disappointing investment, China was good, the Chinamen worked hard and took the paper IOUs – but found out they could spend them and buy up the Caliphate. They could pay their coolie workers fairy money of their own. This wasn’t fair.

Interest had to be paid and however much was QE’ed it just made matters worse. Sooner or later the Mamluks would turn on the Calif families (when the paychecks stopped) and the game would be up. So the Caliphs decided to cast a plague spell and get them all to lock themselves up. (Some senior Mamluks didn’t see how this could apply to them and ignored it and had to be shot).

The Caliphs really didn’t know what to do next – if only they could come up with a real plague, they had tried everything. From AIDS to Ebola it was all marginal stuff. What they needed was the Black Plague. If only they could inject everyone with it they could save the planet and life could be like a Jane Austen novel….to be cont.

breweriana
breweriana
May 24, 2020 4:59 PM
Reply to  martin

A fair allegory.

Shruti
Shruti
May 24, 2020 3:27 PM

Strange piece, couldn’t make head or tail out of it.

Dungroanin
Dungroanin
May 24, 2020 4:02 PM
Reply to  Shruti

I’d prefer one of own articles on here.
Unedited.

Admin1
Admin
Admin1
May 24, 2020 7:28 PM
Reply to  Dungroanin

D, your attempts at flogging this dead horse are becoming tragic. Here are Phil’s own words on his ow website, explaining why he chose to edit his open letter. Do yourself a favour and let it go now.

A version of this letter can be seen in Off-Guardian. Its thrust – that while I share the latter’s concerns over irreversible inroads on civil liberties, I also share Left outrage over capitalism’s exposed inadequacies – is common to both versions. Off-Guardian responded in open-hearted and comradely spirit to offer space on its site. Changes in that version are unprompted by any attempt to influence me. Mine alone, they have to do with removing allusions to personal matters I regard as settled, and in any case were always secondary.

http://steelcityscribblings.uk/wp/2020/04/17/an-open-letter-to-off-guardian/

Dungroanin
Dungroanin
May 24, 2020 9:48 PM
Reply to  Admin1

I’d be more than happy to let it go – if there weren’t unanswered questions about it. If you answer them now I’ll certainly be ready to move on – how about it?

1st in the above quote from Phil he says changes were unprompted by any attempt to influence him.

So why did he earlier say:

“She also says Off-G will run my open letter, but asked if I objected to removal of refs to an editorial rift, on the ground it’s more complex and less acrimonious than those refs might suggest.”

?

You see my confusion?

2. I keep asking you why non of his recent CV pieces have not been published here? Not counting the review as above. Is it an editorial choice?

I promise I won’t mention it again if you can settle these 2 points. Deal?

MLS
MLS
May 25, 2020 10:10 AM
Reply to  Dungroanin

Have you seen his recent coronavirus pieces? Not to be rude, but they’re ignorant nonsense. And are you actually saying OffG doesn’t have the right to take an editorial line?

From this perspective you’re starting to look like a monomaniac stalker

Dungroanin
Dungroanin
May 25, 2020 10:34 AM
Reply to  MLS

MLS,

I am asking them if they are taking an editorial line?

If so – is a long standing contributor thereby censored.

Nothing wrong with that. It is their right.

Do you think it wrong to get that confirmed?

Are you not also even slightly bit interested about ‘editorial rift’ regardless of how inconsequential?

And don’t you consider that there is a direct contradiction in statements about who asked for changes needs to be settled?
……….

When it comes to stalking you should see what Tony (?) and other Tony (opmoc) have been doing with me . Never mind the various other sock puppet types – who tend to answer on behalf of each other to me (seemingly forgetting which head they got on? Especially on bank holiday weekends when even soldiers get time-off and the oz contingent can’t provide sufficient cover for the Brits).
……..

The current frenzy in the alt media and btl to shepherd people towards UK Column (5th?🤣) a snazzy militarist name (🤣🤣) and promote the concept of CT, with false equivalence to keep everyone confused and looking ‘over there’ ,so they achieve their only Main Aim is comical (🤣🤣🤣)

Admin1
Admin
Admin1
May 25, 2020 9:49 AM
Reply to  Dungroanin

I don’t even know where that quote comes from, and I don’t see a contradiction anyway, but if you think it contradicts anything else Phil says ask him about it, not us. I can’t tell you what he really means. 🤷🏻‍♀️

Dungroanin
Dungroanin
May 25, 2020 12:25 PM
Reply to  Admin1

The quote comes from BTL at his original article.

I will ask – I suppose I have here already. I presume he reads the posts on his article.

Even if you choose not to see the contradiction – it is there for people to make up their own mind.

But I will let it lay now unless anyone insists on having further goes. 😇

You have closed the thread after Tony’s scurrilous attempt at trying to associate me with George Galloway- if I recall this may not be the first time that has been attempted. Are you letting ‘him’ get away with it? No skin off my nose if you are.

👌

breweriana
breweriana
May 24, 2020 2:39 PM

Stopped reading at ‘Caitlin Johnston.’
The ‘pro choice’ hypocrite.

sunset
sunset
May 24, 2020 2:11 PM

Pure *woke* garbage- funny how many times this site returns to a strategy most perfectly witnessed in the fabian mouthpiece, the Guardian, that this place claims to have a fundamental issue with. Of course the guardian is reknown for pseudo-intellectual garbage (with a pay load of razor blades hidden within) like the above.

Is Team Tony Blair, with key lieutenants like Soros and Gates, classic big biz? The illusion of giant corporations controlling the world is a key propaganda tactic of the fabian movement. People run corporations. People you can examine, and research- people with clear links to movements the fabians need you not to notice.

The fantasy of corporations as things in and of themselves was, of course, a peak 1950s left-wing American claim. A desperate need to bury George Orwell’s message with another form of Dystopian nightmare that would seem more plausible to the sheeple.

Want to know the real game- look to Germany now where fabian boot-boys are literally attacking protestors against Team Blair’s lockdown.

Marx was a zionist horror who understood that a certain team could co-opt the age old principles of socialism to their own advantage. There is a straight line from Marx to Bernays thru to Soros.

Unlike the author above, Orwell admired the concept of corporate excellence built on the ever improving understanding of science and engineering. He knew the wealth generated could set the poor free, and indeed the improvement in the living standards of the lower 30% of Humanity, pretty much unchanged for thousands of years, exploded across the last 100+ years.

There is a mentally sick class of leftie who dreams of a post apocalyptic Earth where the tiny population remaining live a pastoral life under the ‘guidance’ of said lefties. These people are the ones hating on industry and wealth creation. These are the ones claiming that you should cheer the SARS2 false-flag as an opportuniy to “change the world”.

The world could be changed in a lot of directions to continue the progress of our science/industry age, but none of these good ideas are propsed by the marxist horrors. Real socialism would over-haul education to remove the one-size-fits-all, and focus on giving Humans the opportunities they desire rather than the satanic concept of equality of outcome. Real socialism would allow people to retire once again at a sensible age, and stop stuffing people into useless employment for the sake of the employment figures. Real socialism would allow sane structured communities for older Humans rather than suggesting that a single city can suit and offer services for all ages of people.

Orwell wanted science based socialism- anything else struck people like him as a complete idiocy. He loathed the sandal wearing, lentil eating pseudo lefties who, from their positions of extreme family privilege, preach the worst forms of leftie idiocy to the masses.

But the SARS2 false-flag requires the propaganda nonsense in the article above- to play every side against the centre. If you think yourself ‘left-wing’ you are to be manipulated one way, if you associate ‘right’ you are to manipulated another, but to the same ends.

I should point out the same pure s–t was spouted by certain leftie manipulators just before WW1 and WW2, to guide the masses away from doing anything that might have prevented or lessened those conflicts.

Having read Orwell’s non-fiction books and essays, I was astonished how closely my own left outlook matched his. But today the author of the above article would demonise both of us with the label ‘alt-right’. That’s what the black hoodie wearing fabian boot-boys in Germany today, laying into the anti-lockdown protestors, are calling said protestors.

Any person who does not demand the immediate end of ‘lockdown’ and the end of all police state powers introduced with the SARS2 false flag is an enemy of all decent Humans. No matter what excuse they give for their statist position, and boy did the above article offer a lot of excuses.

“Yes, guys, it’s bad, but we *must* take it slow- we mustn’t rush to return to freedom- I mean this is an opportunity to build a NWO, don’t ya know”. Today off-guardian became on-guardian, and a perfect lesson as to why Orwell wrote Animal Farm.

Reg
Reg
May 24, 2020 2:35 PM
Reply to  sunset

All excellent points, sunset, but come on, man, Off-G occasionally thows in a piece that might seem off-putting but it hardly means it’s turned into the Graun. I don’t think these guys have as their mission statement the kind of rigid ideological purity the WSWS specialises in.

Freddylow
Freddylow
May 24, 2020 2:45 PM
Reply to  Reg

” I don’t think these guys have as their mission statement the kind of rigid ideological purity”

don’t you?

Reg
Reg
May 24, 2020 4:52 PM