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Medical Professionals and Scientists for Health, Freedom and Democracy

Dr Sucharit Bhakdi, and other like-minded medical professionals, have launched Medical Professionals and Scientists for Health, Freedom and Democracy. A new initiative to organise those who, based on years of experience and their own research, do not believe Covid19 is anything like the “threat” it is constantly presented as.

Below is an abridged version of their statement [full version here]:

Dear like-minded colleagues in other countries, we would like to share with you how our German initiative under the leadership of Prof. Dr. med. Sucharit Bhakdi came about.

We joined together as a manageable group of like-minded people from the above-mentioned professional groups, including in particular people who have already attracted attention in society, in the media, on the Internet, e.g. on YouTube, with their critical comments on the topic of “excessive containment measures in COVID-19”. The people involved appreciated very much joining forces as a group.

Physicians and professional health care workers, as well as scientists, are most trusted when it comes to health issues. Freedom and democracy are intimately connected to health, because these aspects play a crucial role for the well being of the individual, and therefore also for his or her health.

As committed people from these professional groups join forces and, for example, found an association, they can work together to inform and educate people and thus also contribute to the formation of opinions by political decision-makers.

A medical colleague experienced in founding associations pointed out to us that it would be helpful if a newly founded association, at least initially, was limited to a not too large number of people. This would give keep the association flexible and manageable with regard to organisational work load (We all still have our usually quite busy day job).

These initiatives can then inform the public via their website and a YouTube channel (e.g. post a position paper on COVID-19) and can attract like-minded supporters through the website, and keep them up to date on further actions via e-mail newsletters.

Especially with regard to the, in our opinion, completely excessive measures to contain the “COVID-19 pandemic”, which, according to the findings of the renowned Prof. John Ioannidis, Stanford University, is comparable in its dangerousness, reflected in the “mortality rate”, with a viral flu caused by influenza viruses, our request to speak is more than necessary to reassure and educate the people in our respective countries.

There will be enough other topics, such as the impending compulsory vaccination etc., which will ask for further public statements and commitment on our part.

Therefore this is also a project for the future, the future of a better, fairer, healthier world in freedom and peace of the countries and peoples of this earth.

The MWGFD will continue to make its voice heard through information campaigns on various other issues, wherever it sees health, freedom and democracy threatened by political aberrations.

Aims of the MWGFD:

  1. Critical observation of social and political developments concerning health, freedom and democracy for the best possible protection of these values.
  2. Obtaining competent evaluations on the basis of science and evidence.
  3. Information of the broadest possible audience on various topics, independent of the public media.
  4. Establishment of the largest possible network of like-minded people throughout Germany.

We are currently a small association in Germany and have only limited time resources. So we can by no means react promptly to a flood of e-mails.

Therefore, our suggestion: If you want to found such a group in your country, then take such or similar steps.

Later on we can communicate with each other by e-mail [email protected].

Good luck and success for your initiative!

You can read their full statement here, their “position paper” here and there are versions of the website in both French and German.

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Darren Hiebert
Darren Hiebert
May 31, 2020 4:22 AM

Well done guys! Critical observation is something everyone should be engaged in as the least form of vigilance right now. History has shown that “Emergency Powers” Acts tend to linger far beyond their initial public contracts, especially with partial sunsetting of these powers that eventually split into departments or ministries such as HS in the US.
I do not consent to my charter rights being trampled. I am NOT “in this together”! This is NOT the “new normal”! Sorry guys, I’m a team player but not for the team that can jail me for exercising my charter right (S6. CCoR&F) to move about freely inside my country if I have isolated for 14 days.

Arby
Arby
May 29, 2020 9:26 PM

I imagine that the version in German is much more polished. It’s a candle in the dark, but it’s better than no candle.

Loverat
Loverat
May 29, 2020 7:14 PM

This brilliant from Peter Hitchens.

We should be thankful for the great site this is – but recognise the occasional brilliant mind taking this forward in the mainstream.

https://standpointmag.co.uk/issues/may-june-2020/so-happy-to-be-serfs/

Arby
Arby
May 29, 2020 9:32 PM
Reply to  Loverat

That was a good, short and sweet, read. My problem with Peter Hitchens is that he buys the pandemic. He sets a bad example. There’s no excuse.

Loverat
Loverat
May 30, 2020 7:52 AM
Reply to  Arby

Well, what do you suggest he does?

I guess like this site, you have to accept a premise and work around that. If you assume everything is false and a lie based on previous form,its difficult.

Hitchens is among the very few caring, intelligent individuals in the mainstream. He should be applauded and a statue of him on his bike put up in Oxford.

Loverat
Loverat
May 30, 2020 8:46 AM
Reply to  Loverat

In fact, thats what we should do.

Hands up who’d be willing to pay a fiver for a statue. I suspect Oxford council will charge alot. Plus this statue may need a full time security guard (I am presently not employed due to this crisis so happy to assist there)

Arby
Arby
May 30, 2020 6:49 PM
Reply to  Loverat

What do you suggest I do? I see it and report it. Period.

Yahya
Yahya
May 31, 2020 9:25 AM
Reply to  Loverat

Great article, not sure whether he buys the pandemic or not, but my issue is his concluding statement, that we did not fight for our liberties because of our lack of thinking not because there were foreign troops gunning us down. No, see, there are armys and police ready to arrest and kill us at any moment. Not foreign, but our own. Truth be told, as long as we have our family, we’re willing to give up everything just to remain with them. As much as we know this is all a plandemic, as much as we want to go out and protest and spread awareness of the stupidity of the lockdown in order to preserve those rights and liberties which were taken away from us, it pales in comparison to still been alive with your family in your own home.

Look
Look
May 29, 2020 5:42 PM

to found such a group in your country

Health education is now essentially managed by advertisers and lobbyists. The situation demands groups like this (Medical-Professionals-and-Scientists-for-Health) to be established rapidly in order to restore people’s understanding of Health issues and ability to prevent chronic conditions.

BUT it is highly likely, these ideals (goals) will never be achieved. Let me explain. In the FIVE-EYES countries, and other Five-Eyish countries, the system is saturated with vested interest. It is also almost certain, the number of informants and lobbyists joining the new groups will exceed the number of genuine members who have ‘Health’ on their mind. Remember, those questionable characters can monitor the groups efficiently without actually moving physically to attend every activity, as documents and spreadsheets can be spied on, using online tools.

Dungroanin
Dungroanin
May 30, 2020 8:57 AM
Reply to  Look

Lol. yes. Like the Torygraph encouraging tories to join the Labour party to counter the massive recruitment by the choice of Corbyn.

They may even give plenty of publicity and print email addresses and promote such membership. .

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
Jun 1, 2020 6:46 AM
Reply to  Dungroanin

And the covert Tories were probably the 0.8% or whatever of real ‘antisemites’.

Look
Look
May 29, 2020 5:34 PM

Democracy and Health in the same sentence would bring the wrath of the Empire and makes this group a target for neutralisation and/or destruction.

If this ‘Medical-Professionals-and-Scientists-for-Health,-Freedom-and-Democracy’ (mshfd) declares, for example, that Glyphosates is not a lovely ingredient in our breakfast food, the Empire will see these medical professionals as a national threat and treat them as such.

Steve Hayes
Steve Hayes
May 29, 2020 4:41 PM

The chair of House of Commons select committee on Science and Technology, Greg Clark, asked Professor Catherine Noakes of Public Health England to explain the science of the two metre social distancing rule. The answer: the precautionary principle.

When did “it might be harmful” become science?

JudyJ
JudyJ
May 29, 2020 5:20 PM
Reply to  Steve Hayes

Steve

Even more questionable…Prof Robert Dingwall stated in an interview that he had been told by officials that 2 metres was applied because the Government didn’t trust the British public to comply with 1 metre.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8339837/Government-scientist-says-2m-social-distancing-rule-based-fragile-evidence.html

Dungroanin
Dungroanin
May 30, 2020 9:14 AM
Reply to  JudyJ

One meter was pretty much over in my hood as was more than half a dozen peeps in groups – a pub bench is lesss than 1 m for people sat around it! 2 pub benches even a meter or more apart brings 2 such groups together and a with ever more people hitting the streets as we approach ever longer solstice days it becomes a lot harder to keep the discipline. I’ve seen middleclass farthers taking their little children into by jumping over GATED basketball courts – because they are doing what they feel is best. The youngsters are canoodling , the olderr are swiping left right and centre and the prozzjes are desperately getting some cash together (not having been able to get furlough!) This is still 2 days before the absurd messaging by the ‘shush don’t tell them Pike! ‘ captain Mainwrong PM Bozzo, the clown prince… Read more »

Steve Hayes
Steve Hayes
May 31, 2020 1:00 PM
Reply to  Steve Hayes

Correction: the professor I named should have been Professor Yvonne Doyle. Although Professor Noakes did make the same point, she did so in a very roundabout fashion, whereas Professor Doyle was completely explicit.

Jim
Jim
May 29, 2020 12:38 PM

No, I think we should put all our trust in our savior Bill gates 😉

“We are taking things that are…you know, genetically modified organisms and we are injecting them in little kids arms. We are shooting them right in the vein”


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vn1PGOlsTiQ

Moneycircus
Moneycircus
May 29, 2020 1:54 PM
Reply to  Jim

The moderator gets quite nervous. First she’s blinking ever more rapidly, then her lids just freeze and she clenches her teeth. She tightens her hands to stop her thumbs twitching but her thighs move. You can see her breathing more rapidly. The moderator is about to run!

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
Jun 1, 2020 6:48 AM
Reply to  Moneycircus

Could be sexual attraction in an elite feminazi. The smell of money is so erotic.

timfrom
timfrom
May 29, 2020 9:02 AM

Why the Greek music, anyone?

Sophie - Admin1
Admin
Sophie - Admin1
May 29, 2020 9:58 AM
Reply to  timfrom

That is a legitimate mystery. Put us at OffG in mind of the MontyPython cheese shop sketch.

timfrom
timfrom
May 29, 2020 10:16 AM

At least the sketch features Greek Feta. This video has no discernible link to Greece at all!

P R Ivy
P R Ivy
May 29, 2020 5:28 PM

Maybe the hippocratic oath inspired the choice of music?

Personally I would have chosen Bananarama and Funboy Three’s “It ain’t what you do but the way that you do it” but that’s just me.

The Coming Revolution
The Coming Revolution
May 30, 2020 1:54 AM
Reply to  timfrom

It could be in honour to John Ioannidis; he is Greek-American and first mentioned in the position paper.

Moneycircus
Moneycircus
May 29, 2020 8:20 AM

A few more loose ends on Tobias Ellwood, the MP who has called for civil service chief Mark Sedwill to assume the reins of the Covid response over the head of PM Boris Johnson. There is currently a legal case in which the widow of PC Keith Palmer, who was stabbed to death outside the British parliament in 2017, is suing the Metropolitan Police. Michelle Palmer says her husband was stationed too far from the Carriage Gates entrance and that he was left exposed. Here’s where it gets interesting. The dying PC Palmer was attended by former Green Jacket Tobias Ellwood MP who is a serving Lt Col in the 77th Brigade psyops unit of the British Army, as well as chairman of the parliamentary Defence Select Committee. Another (former) member of the British Army, now a policeman, has come out to support, or pre-empt in some way, the case… Read more »

Moneycircus
Moneycircus
May 29, 2020 8:34 AM
Reply to  Moneycircus

I left out a crucial twist. Widow Michelle Palmer was bringing a private prosecution against the Metropolitan Police and she did not wish the case to be public. Perhaps due to a sense of loyalty to the police, perhaps because she had allegations that had to remain secret. The role of former soldier/PC Ian Grant in “blowing the whistle on security concerns” is to make public Michelle Palmer’s court case. We can only speculate as to the implications.
The usual apology for spelling errors.

Moneycircus
Moneycircus
May 29, 2020 2:25 PM
Reply to  Moneycircus

The team now ensconced in the heart of Whitehall is further strengthened by its association with the new head of Mi5, Ken McCallum.

Lobster magazine carries the article MI5 speaks to the nation! (PDF) by Nick Must https://www.lobster-magazine.co.uk/free/lobster79/lob79-mi5-speaks.pdf which points to McCallum likely having “led MI5’s strategic response to the 2017 terrorist attacks, setting up the joint MI5 and Police “Operational Improvement Review”.

This involved whitewashing away the failure to adequately monitor the perpetrator of the March 22nd, 2017 attack, Khalid Masood, who “was downgraded to a target who was not considered to be a risk to national security.” No record was made at the time of the reasons why the decision was taken.

PWL
PWL
May 29, 2020 6:49 PM
Reply to  Moneycircus

If we’re talking about loose ends on Tobias Ellwood.
Actual testimony from PC Carlisle at the coroner’s inquest:

Tobias Ellwood told me: I’m an army medical officer or army doctor, something along those sort of lines. Can you tell them on the radio we’ve got a police officer shot in the head and we need HEMS on the hurry up.


Who killed Police Constable Keith Palmer?

Dungroanin
Dungroanin
May 30, 2020 9:27 AM
Reply to  Moneycircus

Thanks for a surprisingly on the Money info about our pre and post coup Nunta state Circus.

dolly
dolly
May 29, 2020 12:43 AM

It looks like Trump is just about to stop the censorship at twitter and Facebook, lets hope the Guardian is stopped in their fascist censorship. Trump states if you censor you become liable for comments you print. Sounds fun.

Steve Hayes
Steve Hayes
May 29, 2020 12:39 PM
Reply to  dolly

It is of course absolutely correct that if Twitter, Facebook, etc are platforms they can no more censor than the telephone company, but if they censor, they are publishers (not platforms) and are therefore responsible for the content. If tech giants such as Facebook or Twitter take on the role of publisher, it will completely destroy them, as the lawsuits would be potentially unlimited and the costs literally astronomical. The tech giants know this, which is why they constantly say they are merely platforms: assertions that are daily contradicted by their behaviours.

Charlotte Russe
Charlotte Russe
May 29, 2020 12:11 AM

A PSYOPS OPERATION US State-run mainstream media news is pure propaganda. You’ll never hear alternative views, or any analysis jeopardizing the official narrative. The tentacles protruding from the intelligence agencies go far, wide, and deep co-opting numerous independent media sites. Virologists or epidemiologists who do not predict doom and gloom will never appear on mainstream media news. The politicization of COVID-19 only permits the following point of view– lockdowns are necessary, everyone must be masked, contact tracing is essential, vaccines are imperative, and a deadly second wave is inevitable. COVID-19 is the security state’s last big attempt to oust Trump and to get brain dead Biden and all the recycled ghouls from the Obama administration back in the White House. Russiagate and Ukraine-gate failed, the third attempt is a pandemic. Luckily the election is only six months away, I can’t imagine what other craziness would be unleashed to remove the… Read more »

Reg
Reg
May 29, 2020 12:38 AM

Will there even be an election in November?

Charlotte Ruse
Charlotte Ruse
May 29, 2020 2:23 AM
Reply to  Reg

Good question…..

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
May 29, 2020 10:12 AM
Reply to  Reg

I hope so-four more years of Trump might finish The Beast off.

paul
paul
May 29, 2020 4:41 PM

US National Debt increasing at $50,000 a second.
Over $2,000 billion in the last 2 months.
Over 120% of GDP.
52% Budget Deficit.

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
May 30, 2020 12:00 AM
Reply to  paul

‘We’re in the money. We’re in the money’!

RobG
RobG
May 29, 2020 12:42 AM

Charlotte, forget Trump or Biden or whatever other puppet they put up (including the likes of Obama and Hilary). It’s all just theatre; a complete joke. We have no democracy whatsoever.

Charlotte Ruse
Charlotte Ruse
May 29, 2020 2:23 AM
Reply to  RobG

True, it’s musical chairs….

Look
Look
May 29, 2020 5:29 PM

“.. direct connection between the national security state and the corporate mainstream media news. The power of the security state over the news media has been “brazenly” illustrated over the last three years. The intelligence agencies control news content and the commentators.”

Thanks for an accurate depiction of today’s state of affairs.

Every time the government or media says something, one needs to quickly remember that Everything is Scripted.

Kalen
Kalen
May 28, 2020 11:58 PM

The MSFHD as informational hub of COVID sanity, monitoring effects of what amounts to hijacking of medical authorities and sciences by big Pharma and other corporates, definitely is needed but it has one fatal flaw. The MSFHD will not likely go hard after their fellow doctors and scientists personally or institutions of medicine, their money and careers, clearly motivated compliance with medical terrorism. Even Dr. Ioannidis refrained from criticizing Ferguson who purposefully concocted deeply flawed pandemic model in order to deliberately fabricate results Gates and his British Gov puppets wanted as he knew that his IFR and Ro wild guesses were orders of magnitude off, based on already in late February available Chinese SC2 data , calling it bad but honest mistake instead of accusing him of deadly opportunism and greed driven by lust for influence, celebrity and money for his projects of scientific hallucinations for sale. The grassroots loosely… Read more »

RobG
RobG
May 28, 2020 11:52 PM

They are rolling out the global police state right before our very eyes. Don’t get angry with people who have a hard job getting their head around this. After all, it is quite difficult to comprehend. I am reminded again of the First World War, when millions willingly went to a totally senseless slaughter. The Lark Ascending was written by Vaughan Williams in 1914. The piece was inspired by George Meredith’s poem of the same name about the skylark. Vaughan Williams composed parts of The Lark Ascending whilst watching troop ships cross the English Channel at the outbreak of the First World War, in which he served as an ambulence driver. The entire piece is about 15 minutes in length. Here’s a bit from the middle. This is the London Philharmonic Orchestra conducted by Sir Adrien Boult (they played this at Princess Diana’s funeral service, at which I was present)…

ginette craig
ginette craig
May 29, 2020 7:13 AM
Reply to  RobG

RobG – Thanks so much for posting this beautiful piece. It brought tears to my eyes. People are very quick to forget. My French Dad was tortured by the Germans in WW2 to get information. I have seen the scars. Freedoms that brave people fought so hard for are being swept away in an instant. Very sad.

NowhereOH
NowhereOH
May 29, 2020 11:23 AM
Reply to  RobG

Yes, thank you for sharing this lovely piece. I’ve actually been reading (on and off, as it is a great deal to process emotionally) “Unhappy, Far-Off Things” by Edward J. M. D. Plunkett (Lord Dunsany) and, to you point, the shock and numb bewilderment of those impacted by WWI is there on full display. It’s completely different from the stuff he produced for the War Department (not really a surprise) and perhaps a little sentimental, but it brings home the aftermath for those who naively bought into glamorous packaging of war. All the military jargon (‘front line workers’, ‘war-time president’, etc) utilized in the COVID19 ‘crisis’ has, similarly, been the coating on the pill– it makes the lie go down easier.

Tony
Tony
May 28, 2020 11:12 PM

Hi Kalen,

PCR assays and serology tests for virus per se do not and cannot work, for the simple fact there is no virus to detect any way and antibody tests are mainly non-specific for viruses. Such tests can detect other things but not virus. Or, even bending over backwards, if we grant that this alleged virus really does exist in theory- it still has not been scientifically proven in practice to date that it does, and that it really is ‘pathogenic’ and the sole cause of Covid-19.

Whatever causal factors are at work in Covid cases they are certainly nothing to do with a virus despite the fact that it is made to appear to us ‘as if’ a virus is the cause. We have now reached a point no thanks to the dogma of germ theory where viruses are now the cause of almost everything termed “infectious” !!

Kalen
Kalen
May 29, 2020 12:27 AM
Reply to  Tony

You seem to confusing things. Serological test would detect specific antibodies as it is based, in most complex kind of serological studies, involving isolation of virus and neutralization of given virus by extracted from patient antibodies by blocking its virus spike receptors. Only electron microscopy and no RNA matching shenanigans. Only in such serological test specific to SC2 virus antibodies are detected. In fact fact such designed serological tests are specific in comparison to rt-qPCR tests which are not. Most of those who question serological testing results are those who question immunity of people serologically tested positive for exposure but this is another issue I addressed elsewhere. The main issue here is not mild SC2 or other Virus that was RNA sequenced and recently supposedly (not verified ) isolated from patients tissue and cultivated in culture tissue but the failure to meet Koch and Rivers criteria of causal relation between… Read more »

Tony
Tony
May 29, 2020 12:07 PM
Reply to  Kalen

Kalen, Your response was that I seemed to be confusing things, then you state that: Serological test would detect specific antibodies as it is based, in most complex kind of serological studies, involving isolation of virus and neutralization of given virus by extracted from patient antibodies by blocking its virus spike receptors. Only electron microscopy and no RNA matching shenanigans. Only in such serological test specific to SC2 virus antibodies are detected. In fact fact such designed serological tests are specific in comparison to rt-qPCR tests which are not. There is no confusion on my part. The first part of the above quote presupposes what has to be proved, namely , “isolation and neutralization of given virus by extracted from patient antibodies by blocking its virus spike receptors”. If you don’t know what to identify in the serology sample containing the patient’s antibodies how can you ‘extract’ the virus you… Read more »

Arby
Arby
May 29, 2020 9:42 PM
Reply to  Tony

Andrew Kaufman has been illuminating. But I want nothing to do with his psychiatry.

Arby
Arby
May 29, 2020 9:39 PM
Reply to  Tony

Correct.

Tony
Tony
May 30, 2020 12:56 PM
Reply to  Arby

Thanks Arby,

However, I can think of a few scientists, medical bosses and politicians who would obtain great benefit from a psychiatric evaluation and treatment from Dr Kaufman for believing the BS about pathogenic viruses that have never been proven to exist let alone be the cause of an infectious disease.

There are still people walking around with dog muzzles on which makes the mind boggle – perhaps a time will come when they eventually see the light but I wouldn’t set my sights on it since “excreta tauri cerebrum vincit” in other words bullshit baffles brains and there’s plenty of it!!

Arby
Arby
May 30, 2020 6:47 PM
Reply to  Tony

Acknowledged.

Kalen
Kalen
May 28, 2020 9:32 PM

“New and Improved” bullshit PCR testing from Quest Diagnostics approved by FDA via CNBC. The Food and Drug Administration has issued an emergency use authorization for a new coronavirus test from Quest Diagnostics that allows people to collect their sample from home, the company announced Thursday. The self-collection kit will include a swab that allows people to collect a sample from their nostril and can then be shipped overnight with FedEx to a lab, the company said.[FEDEX to make billions] “COVID-19 molecular diagnostic testing [ct-qPCR]has been constrained partly by limited supplies of swabs and trained healthcare professionals to do the specimen collection.. The self-collection kit enables an individual to self-collect at home, and the process is far less invasive and uncomfortable than many traditional methods.” Shares of Quest were up more than 3% in trading. Quest said their new test uses a specimen collection approach similar to other Quest tests… Read more »

David Mitchell
David Mitchell
May 28, 2020 10:05 PM
Reply to  Kalen

It’s a great way to get the DNA of a population on a database isn’t it.

Paul Vonharnish
Paul Vonharnish
May 29, 2020 6:49 AM
Reply to  Kalen

Quest Diagnostics > The most unreliable test laboratory in the United States. The ass jacks can’t even perform an accurate Lyme screen…

gordon
gordon
May 28, 2020 9:02 PM

The Criminal State Destroys Life’s Simple Pleasures

The Coronavirus scam is a criminal betrayal by the world’s governments media and medicine, dictated by
the Masonic Jewish (Illuminati, Satanist) central banking cartel. A failed gambit to impose totalitarian control, established authority will never recover legitimacy or trust. They are finished.

https://www.henrymakow.com/

Riccotelaly
Riccotelaly
May 28, 2020 8:47 PM

OK doctors – make a simple bar graph showing deaths by seasonal flu. Show the last 20 years or more. This season’s death toll is within the range as reported by the CDC in 2017 – and actually less than other years. A simple visual will blow this wide open. 650,000 died in 2017 – 250,000 this year. Keep pushing the numbers and say “same circumstances – different reaction”? And repeat – 1 bar graph and repeat and repeat – that is how it is done.

George Robinson
George Robinson
May 29, 2020 8:45 AM
Reply to  Riccotelaly

Can we have a source for your data please? The British equivalent from the ONS doesn’t mirror your description for the USA.

Incidentally, does anyone know of a module or plug-in for Excel, Sheets, Numbers or LibreOffice that can generate 3D graphs to help me illustrate deaths by age by year from the ONS figures? Something like this:

comment image

Reg
Reg
May 29, 2020 9:41 AM

I dare say you know this already, but LibreOffice Calc has a built-in 3D option. I’ve never done spreadsheets so I wouldn’t know, but here’s a link to the user guide:

https://documentation.libreoffice.org/assets/Uploads/Documentation/en/CG4.1/PDF/CG4103-ChartsAndGraphs.pdf

riccotelaly
riccotelaly
May 29, 2020 12:24 PM
riccotelaly
riccotelaly
May 29, 2020 12:38 PM
Reply to  riccotelaly

The CDC has the yearly numbers.

Moneycircus
Moneycircus
May 28, 2020 8:29 PM

Tobias Ellwood MP has a different face to Matt Hancock. Both are punchable. Matt’s face is that of a psychotic robot trying to force a smile. Toby’s is that of a natural joker trying to look serious. “So I can confirm that I am not a spy,” stormed Ellwood T., insisting he only met Mr Papadopoulos twice before the 2016 US election to build ties with the Trump campaign. As a serving member of 77th Brigade, devoted to pounding the forlorn British public with a positive narrative of government policy, Ellwood T. most certainly is a spy by the definition of former German spook Andreas von Bulow, who said that 85% of intelligence is propaganda and monitoring propaganda. We must cut Ellwood some slack. He lost his brother Jonathan, an international school director, in the Bali bombings in 2002, an incident that’s been questioned in the Australian documentary “Fool Me… Read more »

Mucho
Mucho
May 28, 2020 9:51 PM
Reply to  Moneycircus

This is chilling, Moneycircus. Thanks for the heads up. I used to follow UKColumn when they were all about uncovering Common Purpose, another band of soulless corporate subversion agents violating every orifice of the British state and its vile institutions, but then they went quiet and these days I keep forgetting about them.

For the readers, here is the video link from UKColumn which Moneycircus has shared. If you are British, you NEED to watch and share this video. This is textbook fascism. We are fast becoming some kind of deranged, modern day Soviet Union and our institutions are ALL infiltrated. Get on to this

UK Column News – 20th May 2020

ginette Craig
ginette Craig
May 29, 2020 7:20 AM
Reply to  Mucho

UKColumn aren’t very quiet at the moment. They have a live news bulletin every Monday, Wednesday and Friday at 1pm. If you can’t make it at that time, you can see old clips on their website. I hardly miss an episode.

Arby
Arby
May 29, 2020 9:51 PM
Reply to  Mucho

I’ve been relying heavily on them (and James Corbett and The Highwire) for my own blog. They don’t provide transcripts nor links but the simplest bullt points. (The articles on the website are fine.) I present the UKC show on my website and then carefully provide commentary, showing articles and excerpts from them that they present in the show. It’s a bit of work, but my subscribers seem to like it.

Dungroanin
Dungroanin
May 30, 2020 10:10 AM
Reply to  Mucho

Still believe they are the latest incarnation of limited hangout – it is way too polished and not a single exclusive or public revelation and scalp has been had.

Looks like the bunch who were doing the Syria Campaign PR have been found a new project to do now that has ended in abject failure, defeat and retreat.

Sedwill we knew of.
Where are all the ‘civvies’ of the i.i ?
The Cadwalldrs and the alt-media sites and bloggers?

Where are the higher echelons? the Powells and Mountbattens?

There are better more reliable sources – I will wait for the test of time to validate the huhah about UKC, by many a btl 77th controlled troll.

( and no I am not accusing YOU or MC – so please don’t start)

Lost in a dark wood
Lost in a dark wood
May 28, 2020 10:20 PM
Reply to  Moneycircus

I must of missed that story about Tobias “I am not a spy” Ellwood. https://web.archive.org/web/20200325104817/https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/03/20/not-spy-tory-mp-tobias-ellwood-dismisses-claim-monitored-trump/ ‘I’m not a spy’: Tory MP Tobias Ellwood dismisses claim he monitored Trump adviser as ‘uncredible’ Ellwood tells his account of 2016 campaign meetings on the Crossfire podcast By Ben Riley-Smith, US Editor, 20 March 2020 A former UK government minister has rejected claims he secretly spied on one of Donald Trump’s 2016 campaign advisers, calling the allegation uncredible and without merit. Tobias Ellwood, the Tory MP for Bournemouth East, gave The Telegraph his most detailed account yet of the meetings in question to put the issue to bed. “So I can confirm that I am not a spy,” Mr Ellwood said as he dismissed allegations floated frequently and loosely by George Papadopoulos, who advised Mr Trump on foreign policy. Mr Ellwood said he only met Mr Papadopoulos twice before the 2016 US election to… Read more »

Gwyn
Gwyn
May 29, 2020 7:41 PM
Reply to  Moneycircus

”The Counter Terrorism Act 2008 is amended so that a court can declare any offence with a maximum penalty of more than two years to have a terrorist connection.”

I’m still trying in vain to get my head around that one (along with the rest of the information in your post). Things are taking a very dark turn.

(Thanks for your consistently informative comments on here, by the way).

Arby
Arby
May 29, 2020 9:47 PM
Reply to  Moneycircus

“He is surrounded by British Army officers and Common Purpose bureaucrats who clearly want his job.” I learned about Tobias Ellwood from the UKC presenters. Alex Thomson makes an interesting observation in regard to Boris Johnson. He’s surrounded by security agents so that he can’t spout the ‘wrong’ ideas ‘and’ so that the ‘wrong’ ideas can’t reach him.

Dungroanin
Dungroanin
May 30, 2020 9:55 AM
Reply to  Moneycircus

I’ve even come across the odd Admiral in the field, selling the message, in recent months . The desperation is high.

As the can of worms gets fully exploded and the various criminally charged ‘top officials’ and ‘mid level agents’ realize they are going to the penitentiary for life and loss of all their Fed pensions and millionaire lifestyles for their families – they know their only chance is their favoured, plea bargain – of course they will snitch on the Brits. Wouldn’t be surprised if Grand Juries have already been formed and many of the agents have already testified.

The fact that the Democrat/Republican swamp monsters are ready to ferment race riots by agitators is proof that they are severely threatened, THEIR praetorians are being prosecuted! And if they can’t provide the protection, these jolly thugs of state won’t carry the can by themselves!

Tim Jenkins
Tim Jenkins
May 28, 2020 8:11 PM

I’M IN >>> (OK, first reactions) 🙂 been saying exactly this for decades: Reclaim Your Agency, be you Architect, Engineer, Electronic or Construction, Doctor of Physics & & and hell yeah, ALOHA UNI.Fairbanks, Alaska 🙂 even you damn lawyers need to recognise the universal inter-state media cooperation & corruption in the controlled demolition of the construction of WTC 7, moreover its’ contents and corrupted Absurd ‘Jackanory Fairy Story Justice’, told to chilled’dren drones, to create yet another New Pearl Harbour, with Tax Payers’ Money, then, off to kill more of Murdoch’s Mad Mullahs ! FFS, this is murderous corporate abuse. Let Alone CoVid2020 . . . Screw heads on, please, Knee in ‘nuts’, where’s the money coming from . . . sorry, who’s promoting what? Logic ?? Time has come: be honest within & find peace within yourself, primarily. ICH STEHE DAZU ! Wissenschaft / Science Rules & determines logic,… Read more »

Gezzah Potts
Gezzah Potts
May 28, 2020 11:14 PM
Reply to  Tim Jenkins

Welcome back Tim! 👍
‘Time has come: be honest within, and find peace within, primarily’. Exactly. Regards the media. We know who they are, we know what they do, we know who they serve.
Why would anyone not boycott them outright. I see large protests in Bulgaria recently against Borisov (?)
Protests everywhere, but we’re very much in the minority on this one.
Very grateful for the coverage at OffGuardian, The Corbett Report, UK Column News, etc. Hope your garden is still chugging along okay. Regards to you and Dani✌️

John Pretty
John Pretty
May 28, 2020 8:03 PM

Booom! I just heard a loud bang in the street. It’s a Thursday, 8 o’clock in the UK.

It’s okay, it’s just one of the sheep farting.

Arsebiscuits
Arsebiscuits
May 28, 2020 9:47 PM
Reply to  John Pretty

Next Thursday they’ll each have to wear a strait jacket
Unbeknownst to themselves its lined with explosives!!

Mike Ellwood
Mike Ellwood
May 28, 2020 11:16 PM
Reply to  John Pretty

Quieter in our street tonight. I did wonder if it was the Cummings effect.

Tim Drayton
Tim Drayton
May 28, 2020 7:48 PM
John Pretty
John Pretty
May 28, 2020 7:17 PM

My apologies for being “off topic”. I thought I might copy my fellow commenters in on a short “love” letter I just sent to my MP and his man-friday. I give readers in the UK permission to use it as a template if they wish. Mr XXXXXX, Mr XXXXXX, “Track and Trace” WHAT THE HELL IS THIS? Are you people out of your minds?! This bloody virus is clearly on it’s way out. There are more holes, more problems, with this brain dead idea than there are holes in a Swiss cheese! And presumably you self serving creeps in the “Labour” Party (surely an oxymoron these days!) think it doesn’t go far enough. You wretched wretched people live off the state on your fat cat salaries of £85,000. You don’t give a shit about the people of this country whose lives you are ruining do you? I’ve really had enough… Read more »

Ex Government Scientist
Ex Government Scientist
May 28, 2020 7:42 PM
Reply to  John Pretty

> John, You are NOT off-topic as the testing is well within the scientific and medical issues the group in this article plan on discussing. The ‘test’ is now a major goal, prior to the next (vaccine), particularly as the ‘test’ is a backdoor DNA sample submission programme (as many people on this website and others around the World have warned). The Government has moved towards getting people to consent to having thier DNA taken throught ‘Testing’. ‘Track & Trace’ officially morphed into ‘Test & Trace’ on 28th May. The implications are potentially devestating on many levels. Firtsly, individuals who have committed no crime added to Police and Intel criminal databases, medical records linked, and Government Gateway accounts / National Insurance linked to the database. Secondly, the ‘test’ and the result can give rise to detention / house arrest / self-quarentine, and the ‘trace’ can cause people to be ‘locked… Read more »

Edwige
Edwige
May 28, 2020 9:23 PM

It may be that the so-called health passports are worse than track-and-trace.

The guest in the second hour of Richie Allen’s show yesterday (Wednesday) had some interesting information on how these are going to operate.

Arsebiscuits
Arsebiscuits
May 28, 2020 9:53 PM

http://testandtrace.com/about-test-and-trace/

Ramped up testing and ‘very aggressive’ contact tracing are critical for the U.S. to return to normal and to avoid returning to a lockdown.

Summary of an interview with Robert Redfield, U.S. Center for Disease Control Director

This is on the main page of this website.

Have a look at the photos of the people all working for it. All masked majority of them.

Fucking psychopathic Po’s!!

The cowards have had their dream come through

TheThinker
TheThinker
May 28, 2020 10:47 PM

Yes I’d agree, the Ancestry websites set up to let people find out their DNA makeup (with lovely adverts for people to look at their history) and be open to an inter-connected lifestyle and global world and the money that was pumped into these Companies – Cu Bono always I’d add in terms of the Military interventions – we should remember many also disagree or don’t agree with the rollout and how they are being used to process this info. The silent majority still has a platform at all levels of global society and that gives pause for thought. Medical Martial Law as you say is a danger looming – imagine Insurance companies, health agencies, Mortgage companies and credit etc..if they had access to this info (more so than they do already) its a real minefield and against what we are being told, the equalities and agency gulf of support… Read more »

bob
bob
May 28, 2020 7:12 PM

In the last two months the British population have been subject to:

TREASON
TYRANNY
TORTURE

In what way is a group of German medics/scientists got anything to do with this? Why are we not seeking ways to bring this rotten regime down?
When, if ever, is the agenda going to change?
Am I the only one who thinks this way or what?
FFS – wht is happening here?

Charlie
Charlie
May 28, 2020 9:32 PM
Reply to  bob

You’re not alone in your frustrations bob! Trust me

Moneycircus
Moneycircus
May 28, 2020 7:11 PM

Nothing you know is true. Remember Kim Philby, Mi6 double agent… supposedly a dastardly traitor? His father Harry St John Bridger Philby was a socialist, convert to Islam, adviser to Ibn Saud, and an agent representing the Standard Oil company. Harry’s father, Kim’s grandfather, Harry Montague Philby was reputed to be close to the Russian revolutionaries who would later become the Bolsheviks (Montague died in 1913).

So do you think Mi6 never suspected that Kim Philby was a socialist, given his father and grandfather?

All that happened, at a guess, is that Kim got outed and had to take a bullet for the Realm.

Smoke and mirrors, everything’s a psyop Baby, as Austin Powers would say.

Moneycircus
Moneycircus
May 28, 2020 7:19 PM
Reply to  Moneycircus

BTW anything remind you of John Brennan, Communist, convert to Islam and Director of the Central Intelligence Agency? Dang, they need a new scriptwriter.

Reg
Reg
May 28, 2020 7:03 PM

Rappoport’s latest. Science in the US is a sewer of corruption.

https://blog.nomorefakenews.com/2020/05/28/the-delusion-called-fauci/

Calamity Jane
Calamity Jane
May 28, 2020 7:09 PM
Reply to  Reg

When scientist get funding to support political agendas its global corruption of science .
Now is pseudo$cience used to try to create a consensus of beliefs in public minds.

Ex Government Scientist
Ex Government Scientist
May 28, 2020 7:53 PM
Reply to  Calamity Jane

> Calamity,

Yes you are correct. The amount of rubbish accepted as ‘solid Science’ is astounding.

As a Bul-sh-t alarm people should watch out for the following terms:

‘Scientific Fact’ (no such thing – science neither proves nor disporoves only offers evidence which is then interpreted).

‘The Science is settled’ (utter and complete rubbish. Science is study, observation, measurement, collection of data new and old, interpretation, etc – nothing within the realms of scientific reseach is ever settled – nor can it ever be – otherwise it would not be science it would be something else).

‘Scientific Consensus Confirms’ (another rubbish term – I could get ‘consensus’ on anything, and so do the Government. It means absolutely nothing except that a few people with Degrees have agreed / disagreed on something).

I could go on, but tea is calling and must go.

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
May 28, 2020 9:33 PM

Translating from the paranoid gibberish-‘science’ is anything that accords with my ideology.

Reg
Reg
May 29, 2020 12:46 AM

Dicky, you should know

Dungroanin
Dungroanin
May 30, 2020 10:24 AM

EGS – yup my bs alarm is flashing.

Tea at 8pm?

That’s dinner for normal folk or a very early supper if you are in bed by 10!
Tea is after school/work -pre evening outing -gym/ pub.

Unless you mean actually cup of tea?

kevin king
kevin king
May 28, 2020 8:23 PM
Reply to  Reg

Rappoport is one of the few journos who gets it. He knows viruses don’t exist as exogenous agents that cause disease and are transmissible between humans. His book ‘AIDS Inc’ was where he cut his teeth on the entire rotten cabal of pharmaceuticals, bought politicians and crooked scientists. HIV/AIDS was were I became aware of the extent of the scam. Once I realised the damn ‘retrovirus’ had never actually been isolated let alone shown to cause disease it was easy to then see through the entire charade – SARS, Polio, the Measles etc.
This is why I don’t trust the scientists above.They believe these things exist and cause disease and they should know better. In my mind they are not scientists at all. I studied Physics at Uni so I know a cargo cult science when I see one.

WorldParole
WorldParole
May 29, 2020 2:03 AM
Reply to  kevin king

Well said.

hope
hope
May 28, 2020 9:21 PM
Reply to  Reg

Since the late 19th century science has increasingly been transformed into non-science, a dogma which speaks in the name of science but does not have its basic characteristics, namely reproducible and sufficiently reproduced observation, without which anything you may say about the sense-perceptible world can all too easily become fiction. It is this non-science that is the problem. It is this non-science that has to be stopped. The very first step is to make obligatory transparency: that all your data should be made public. There cannot be science without transparency. And transparency is rare today. Then the whole peer review system has to be overhauled. Let me tell you my little personal experience. When I was doing my ph.d., I had to use a result by someone else, which some years before had been published in one of the most prestigious journals, evidently peer-reviewed. At least I had a very… Read more »

Toby Russell
Toby Russell
May 29, 2020 7:23 AM
Reply to  hope

Thank you for sharing this. It accords with stories I know from two PhD friends who both ‘nudged’ their results and deliberately teased out particular outcomes so that their conclusions were as desired.

True science is dispassionate, though we can be passionate about our dispassion. And true science, as you say, is SLOW. And that’s the heart of it: we don’t have the time. Financial profit pays for everything, thus enables everything, thus determines the course of events more than any other factor. True science cannot therefore happen, on the whole, while financial profit rules in this way. Any revolution worth its salt must radically address this pivotal issue.

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
May 30, 2020 12:06 AM
Reply to  Reg

Just look at the faked ‘survey’ in The Lancet that denigrated hydroxychloroquine, and caused the BigPharma (not China) controlled WHO used to end random, double blind, trials. Instantly spotted by Raoult and others as entirely fraudulent (but still reported with glee by the Western MSM presstitute scum)it has led 120 international experts to write to The Lancet demanding it be withdrawn, to which the MSM responds by going to sleep.

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
Jun 1, 2020 6:55 AM

And to which The Lancet has replied with contempt. Getting the ‘vaccine’ to be the ONLY approved approach is plainly a maximum priority. Be very frightened.

Thom
Thom
May 28, 2020 6:43 PM

You have to marvel at the stupidity of retailers, at least here in the UK. They have spent two decades or more to entice people to the high street, with efforts at friendly customer service and a convivial atmosphere, only to throw it all away in a couple of months of government-induced hysteria, leaving the high streets, with their masked security guards and shopkeepers, the last place anyone would want to linger.
Great for Amazon and the other online corporations, though – perhaps not coincidentally.

NowhereOH
NowhereOH
May 29, 2020 11:36 AM
Reply to  Thom

Not coincidentally at all. leaving the high streets, with their masked security guards and shopkeepers, the last place anyone would want to linger. Despite the general attitude that we are “moving on” and “opening up” here, even going to the grocery is a terribly unpleasant experience. I try to remind myself to be ‘grateful’ (or to at least appreciate) the fact I can go out. It’s like wading into a mixture of oil and water– there are people desperately clinging to the opportunity to resume and there are others in masks glaring balefully at the ‘enemy’ (anyone not in their hazmat suit behaving in a fraught and anxious manner). All of this takes place within the framework of one-way aisles, six-foot markings (I was in a Target the other day where the markers were all throughout the store! Am I not allowed to grab an item because that would mean… Read more »

Reg
Reg
May 28, 2020 6:34 PM
Gwyn
Gwyn
May 28, 2020 8:43 PM
Reply to  Reg

I’d never read anything on Anti-Empire before. I love their sarcastic tone. :o)

ginette Craig
ginette Craig
May 29, 2020 7:27 AM
Reply to  Gwyn

Gwyn -I subscribe to the Anti-Empire newsletter and website. Great read, and for me who is not too intellectual, easy to understand. Yes, wit and satire too. Highly recommended!

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
May 28, 2020 9:36 PM
Reply to  Reg

If the Yanks cannot control ANY organisation, they will destroy it. They are ‘Exceptional’ after all.

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
Jun 1, 2020 6:55 AM
Reply to  Reg

Linday and McInsane were hitched, were they? I’m not surprised

Reachable Spike
Reachable Spike
May 28, 2020 6:01 PM

This group can be useful if it’s able to get the momentum, via the enthusiasm of sufficient numbers, to break through the media barricade into public consciousness. As the members themselves point out, their professions are those that are regarded as authoritative. I wish them the best of luck and will do what I can to promote them.

David Keegan
David Keegan
May 28, 2020 4:12 PM

It’s a start but most people are probably too consumed with The Fear to hear these voices of sanity.
Slightly off topic but what do you all think of The Graun’s ‘roll-call of the fallen’ in today’s edition?
Nice little turn of the screw to celebrate Contact Tracing Day

bob
bob
May 28, 2020 5:09 PM
Reply to  David Keegan

talking of which – it’s been the usual disaster by the sound of it!
problems abound, staff can’t login to the govt website, people claiming poor training for the T&Ts – what a calamity

Can I just say to this extraordinarily poor regime – STOP WASTING OUR MONEY ON INEPT AND CRAP PLANS – END THE LOCKDOWN NOW

Angry Slave
Angry Slave
May 28, 2020 6:02 PM
Reply to  bob

Sadly they just become more extreme and irrational by the day regardless.

sabelmouse
sabelmouse
May 28, 2020 5:31 PM
Reply to  David Keegan

the guardian is despicable and those who fear could have informed themselves but refused. we all have to bear the consequences.

livingsb
livingsb
May 28, 2020 6:49 PM
Reply to  sabelmouse

Fuck the Guardian. I won’t even look at that rag for football or travel anymore. Can’t stand it.

Loverat
Loverat
May 28, 2020 8:47 PM
Reply to  livingsb

And thats why we pay Kit, Catte and two admins a fiver a month, so they read what we shouldn’t have to. We’re getting our moneys worth with the superb coverage lately.

Gerry
Gerry
May 28, 2020 9:32 PM
Reply to  livingsb

Solemnly, and i do swear on my heart, the only good thing the Guardian ever did is create Off-Guardian, in a bizarre way.

In a ying/yang manner, a perfect rebuttal was formed for anything they ever print.

I feel blessed to have found this niche, and the money that i might have thought about paying to the Guardian for a newspaper is paid here in stead for truth.

As censorship moves in across the net, we should prepare for even this platform to be taken down.

If there is a funding drive, my hands up, this needs to be kept running as dissent is stifled everywhere else.

sunset
sunset
May 28, 2020 2:39 PM

The AE group (architects and engineers) did stunning work on the 9/11 false-flag, but made zero difference in the end. Scientific *truth* is of zero value with respect to the mindset of the masses, when the masses are under the control of a perfected media machine. Look at how many dummies bought the lies of Tony Blair’s little ‘man made climate change’ project (within Man’s *recent* history, Britain was connected to mainland Europe, and Man witnessed fantastic Earth changing floods, thanks to the last Ice Age and its ending- today we live in the tail end of the Ice Ace, yet Team Blair convinced hundreds of millions of ill-educated dummies that Man is responsible for the natural climate cycles of our planet- you do not get any thicker than that). With a false flag like the Moscow apartment block bombings, 9/11 or SARS2, the only powerful response is to *name*… Read more »

snuffleupagus
snuffleupagus
May 28, 2020 2:54 PM
Reply to  sunset

Tony Bliar is a f***ing show poodle. the real power is exercised elsewhere.

there are no good alphas at the top fighting the evil alphas, because that’s not how the world actually works. the people at the top are all psychopathic scum. if they weren’t, they wouldn’t be there.

your discourse so far, is a paradigmatic example of the principle that effective disinformation must be well-flavoured with actual facts, so as to appeal to the taste of its intended audience.

Howard
Howard
May 28, 2020 3:41 PM
Reply to  sunset

There is one very troubling word which I believe you are overlooking: methane. It is easy to hypothesize that a warming planet will result in the release of methane from methane clathrate (hydrate) embedded in permafrost and on the ocean floor; easy, too, to measure the amount of methane escaping from these sources. There is a second equally troubling word which tends to contradict any assumption that the climate crisis is entirely non-human in nature: geoengineering. Ample evidence for the ongoing attempt to play god with the atmosphere suggests a strong link between geoengineering and global warming. We humans tend to blame anything troubling on “Nature” in order to deflect blame from ourselves. The corona virus, for instance – which many have pinpointed as a human engineered pathogen – is blamed on bats. The 911 event is also blamed on nature: the presumed ability of fire to bring down three… Read more »

Paul Vonharnish
Paul Vonharnish
May 29, 2020 6:13 AM
Reply to  Howard

Thank you Howard. Geoengineering is a major contributor to severe weather events and atmospheric heating. Most civilians chose to remain completely clueless regarding 70+ years of militarized weather control. It is very sad, indeed…

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
May 29, 2020 10:25 AM
Reply to  Howard

Oddly enough, I contributed a simple observation that fugitive emissions from fracking wells are contributing greatly to rising atmospheric methane levels, currently, at c.1880ppb, the highest for 800,000 years, yet it has been spammed down the old OffGuardian Thought Crime Hole. Who would have thought it?

Sophie - Admin1
Admin
Sophie - Admin1
May 29, 2020 10:42 AM

If you post multiple comments very rapidly as you do you run the risk of the system auto-spamming them or simply losing them. In this case the latter. I took the time to check for you, the comment you mention is not in the spam folder.

Try to add comments more slowly to avoid this issue

Paul Vonharnish
Paul Vonharnish
May 28, 2020 4:09 PM
Reply to  sunset

You are woefully misinformed concerning the reality of atmospheric heating. Some facts: 1.) The oceans have been absorbing the majority of excess planetary heating, and ocean surface temperatures have risen broadly for well over 120 years. The oceans are massive heat sinks – models are seldom included in NOAA atmospheric data… 2.) Excessive glacial reduction has been reported all over the planet (including North America) and Himalayan melt effects on rivers and lakes in Indonesia are widely known. 3.) The Antarctic and Greenland ice caps have been losing massive amounts of volume for at least three decades. Where is the melt water going to go? 4.) The IPCC data is intentionally flawed for all the usual reasons. See: Cap & Trade… 5.) CO2 emissions are only one part of the problem. Ocean and tundra heating cause exponential releases of methane hydrates, which contribute exponentially to planetary heating. These methane hydrate… Read more »

George Robinson
George Robinson
May 28, 2020 5:36 PM

Over at realclimatescience.com Tony Heller uses his considerable computing and data analysis skills to analyse and check many of the kinds of scare stories such as the five you’ve listed. He does work purely from the data though, so he won’t waste any time with criticisms that use fluffy language such as “woefully misinformed”. You’ll need precise counterpoints.

Nevertheless, do pick one of his presentations that particularly interests you, check it out and let him know with which data you disagree. If you win the argument, or can prove that he has been suspiciously evasive in your correspondence, then get back to us with the results please.

If indeed Global Warming is happening, and anthropogenic CO2 emissions since the Industrial Revolution are responsible for it, many of us will be aghast to realise that our skepticism all this time has been misplaced.

Paul Vonharnish
Paul Vonharnish
May 29, 2020 6:39 AM

Mr. Robinson: I did as you suggested, and read a few articles on Tony Heller’s site. Sorry to say, Mr. Heller is not much of a physicist or mathematician. He quotes from old newspaper and magazine articles as if they offer some sort of mystical validity to his point, then mentions that the NOAA models are inaccurate. Really? Who da’ thunk?

Perhaps he would do well to study the 1st and 2nd laws of thermodynamics before subjecting us to further speculations.

He and “Dr.” Judy Wood would make a dazzling tag team…

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
Jun 1, 2020 6:56 AM

Heller is a genius, to the Dunning-Krugerites.

George Robinson
George Robinson
May 28, 2020 5:25 PM
Reply to  sunset

The Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth, is a useful stepping stone for those who are stone-cold unaware of the 9/11 narrative hoax. But the organisation is even more interesting because it is also a well-managed limited hangout. The members are collected together into one place and then conditioned not to think outside that (wider than mainstream) box. It is impossible to conduct any online discussion within the AE911 forum about Dr. Judy Wood, whose serious and detailed book “Where Did The Towers Go?” points out the impossibilities of the core beliefs of AE911 – namely that explosives were the principal cause of the twin towers’ destruction. The members who carry out their diligent, intelligent and sincere research work for Architects & Engineer for 9/11 Truth are to be commended, even though their group is elegantly restricted, directed and controlled by those who do not wish the real narrative to… Read more »

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
May 28, 2020 9:50 PM

An anthropogenic climate destabilisation denier who also believes in death-rays, or whatever disinfo Wood peddles, to discredit 9/11 Truth. Why am I not surprised?

livingsb
livingsb
May 28, 2020 6:50 PM
Reply to  sunset

A&E has made a tremendous difference and they aren’t finished yet!

Riccotelaly
Riccotelaly
May 28, 2020 8:41 PM
Reply to  sunset

apples and oranges – All movements are by people not politicians. People on 9/11 just felt sad and mad. Now half the population who is least at risk – under 50 – are being asked to hide inside forgo education, a job – building for the future so old people in old age homes don’t die. Further the numbers are there to see – and they will break through – this is just another flu year. Police can not control a population once 10% are against- currently 35% are against – and it will grow –

mikael
mikael
May 28, 2020 2:23 PM

Yeah, how to argue in an reality where everybody is trying to justify their possition, even when they where proven wrong, and when the facts starts to drip, the debate isnt changing, the treches are just dugg deeper and throwing shit as fast they can on the oposition and hope they sucumb to the barrage, its to be frank, f…. anyoning, the facts are crystal clear, it isnt anything, even remotely conected to the initial hype of “we are all going to die” scare, that never manifested and so far, as we speak, is evaporating from the face of this earth, yeah, an bloody miracle, right. I am almost never, knock on wood, sick, flu is an territory I have never been in, and fever, is so far back in time I cant remeber, apart from one time, two decades ago, I have to go back to my childhood to… Read more »

Louis N. Proyect
Louis N. Proyect
May 28, 2020 2:10 PM

This guy Sucharit Bhakdi has been at this sort of thing for a long time:

‘Wasteful’ Tests for Mad Cow Disease Questioned
Spiegel Online International
March 10, 2011 Thursday 11:23 AM GMT+1

Their caution has cost the Germans dearly. Experts estimate the total cost of the testing campaign in slaughterhouses at about €1 billion ($1.39 billion). The hidden costs of controlling a potential epidemic were likely much higher.

Sucharit Bhakdi, a medical microbiology specialist at the University of Mainz, calls it a “scandal.” According to Bhakdi, “some €150 million a year was initially spent in Germany for the pointless testing of healthy cattle; this is more than twice the budget that all university hospitals have at their disposal for diagnosing infections in their patients.”

Sophie - Admin1
Admin
Sophie - Admin1
May 28, 2020 2:14 PM

Source for the claim on comparative costs?

sunset
sunset
May 28, 2020 2:54 PM

The long tail of Thatcher’s mad cow disease in Humans is responsible for the unbelievable rise in the number of elders that suffer from various brain deterioration illnesses today- illnesses that are always mislabeled (like ‘vascular dementia’). Thankfully it turned out that CJD very rarely impacts young Humans- it takes the prions a very long time to rot the average Human brain. Vast efforts were made to eliminate the prion infection from the planet’s cattle, because the experts actually knew just how deadly the CJD prion is to the Human Race. It isn’t talked about to the ill-educated public cos there’s no treatment, and governments don’t want the sheeple looking at their deadly incompetence. This is similar to how the plastic age exploded rates of various cancers over the last 100 years, or how the chemical age has led to an astonishing drop in the rates of Human fertility. While… Read more »

Andy Brent
Andy Brent
May 28, 2020 5:10 PM
Reply to  sunset

Not a fan of Thatcher, but the origins of the disease definitely pre-dated her reign. Have read that whatever occurred probably occurred in the early 1970s. Diseases often take time to manifest.

kevin king
kevin king
May 28, 2020 8:28 PM
Reply to  sunset

Mad cow disease have nothing to do with ‘prions’. It was caused by the toxic substance the farmers were rubbing on the necks of their cattle. It’s proven without a doubt.
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/farmer-to-argue-claims-on-bse-1.36230
If it were a ‘prion’ it would have spread like a virus. It never did, just like this fake ‘virus’ that disproportionately kills thousands in NYC and the UK but no one in Vietnam.

Tinero
Tinero
May 29, 2020 9:37 PM
Reply to  sunset

How could steel manufactured in say Germany from say deep mined Haematite in Sweden, deep mined polish anthracite sourced coke and alpine limestone be so contaminated with fallout….? are you saying the steel is contaminated from recycled iron scrap?
And apparently BSE could have connected to ICI manufactured organophosphates that were massively used in UK and Irish dairy farming against warbler flies…ICI shares were, at the time owned by the usual suspects..

Ted
Ted
May 28, 2020 3:07 PM

I guess someone has to call out the medical-agro-industrial cash burn machine. I would think that this would be an important project for self-described anti-capitalists too? No? Not a topic for Counterpunch readers?

Maybe you could call out forcing children to wear cloth coverings on their faces eight hours a day, when there is no scientific evidence that this protects children or others. But likely does incalculable physiological (due to hypoxia) social and psychological harm to these growing children. A boon for mask manufacturers and authoritarian bureaucrats, not so much for children. Or does child welfare not fit into the anti-capitalist project either? No? Not a subject for a future L. Proyect essay?

http://ocregister.ca.newsmemory.com/?publink=36d2ab12c

Come on you folks are on the payroll as sheep dogs, come clean and admit it Louis.

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
May 28, 2020 9:59 PM
Reply to  Ted

The anti-maskers grow ever more deranged-a familiar process. War between the maskers and the anti-maskers. Who would have guessed?

Reg
Reg
May 29, 2020 12:53 AM

Wear one and shut the fuck up, Dick.

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
Jun 1, 2020 6:57 AM
Reply to  Reg

Language, reginald.

S Cooper
S Cooper
May 29, 2020 11:29 AM

“The War between the MASK NAZIS and the no mask people.” Is that going to be the subject of your new dystopian master piece, Dick?

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
Jun 1, 2020 6:57 AM
Reply to  S Cooper

In the works as I tap.

Reg
Reg
May 28, 2020 4:37 PM

What about “this guy” Neil Ferguson, Loo-Roll? Anything to say about his glittering record of crystal ball predictions?

Watt
Watt
May 28, 2020 6:04 PM
Reply to  Reg

I would say that his newly minted sobriquet ‘Dr. Frankenson’ (Thanks Knut!) says more about his ‘career’ than any amount of wordy prose that I could muster!

Tim Drayton
Tim Drayton
May 28, 2020 6:43 PM

“Ten years after the epidemic threatened Europe, German beef cattle are still being tested for BSE, to the tune of millions of euros a year. Some experts call the practice a waste. The disease never took hold on German farms, and regional politicians believe there are more effective ways to keep livestock safe.”

https://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/expensive-german-caution-wasteful-tests-for-mad-cow-disease-questioned-a-749829.html

Sounds reasonable to me as one who has virtually no background knowledge of the issue. Would you care to explain what you find wrong about Sucharit Bhakdi’s objection to wasting money on testing for a disease that had long since ceased to be a threat?

Reg
Reg
May 28, 2020 7:12 PM
Reply to  Tim Drayton

He won’t respond. It’s just Proyect being a troll. He has no firm basis for existing in life. Protozoa have more admirable purpose than this pathetic caricature of a life form.

Daniel Spaniel
Daniel Spaniel
May 29, 2020 12:38 AM

I don’t comprehend why people have a problem with this post.

Dungroanin
Dungroanin
May 30, 2020 10:49 AM
Reply to  Daniel Spaniel

Daniel S

It is how scapegoating and rabble rousing operates in the wildfrontiers of btl – Proyet has been the willing target to forment the braying crowd who are than Pavlovianly programmed to auto-react every time he appears – once the model is established it can then be easily deployed on any other target by the use of a cue from the ‘authority figures’ – it is one example of how the medium is being experimented with to control the messages.

Simply an extension of pantomime villainary and advertorial endorsement.

Daniel Spaniel
Daniel Spaniel
May 30, 2020 11:15 PM
Reply to  Dungroanin

I like your explanation, I didn’t even watch the film (although I have nothing against this doctor and liked a previous video of his, which I did view) but the reaction seemed a little “knee-jerk”.. theatre of the absurd, perhaps?

S Cooper
S Cooper
May 29, 2020 12:41 AM

It would be so much easier for Louis if he admitted he has been wrong on some many things. But what is the likelihood of that? Suppose there is more “profit” in blind stupidity than there is in critical thought. Alas, for shame.

polistra
polistra
May 28, 2020 2:03 PM

This is so vague and unfocused that it won’t do any good. There’s no clear mission statement, no goal or purpose, no method of applying influence or power. “If you want to do the same, you can.”

Well, that’s already true. People are already getting together and discussing the facts in social media, including Off-Guardian.

Riccotelaly
Riccotelaly
May 28, 2020 8:43 PM
Reply to  polistra

They are doctors saying it – medical professions. It provides a credible push back against the so-called experts.

Einstein
Einstein
May 28, 2020 1:33 PM

They may be trusted but they are organized into hierarchies like the NHS, GMC, PHE, etc., etc. which are totalitarian.
Free medicine and science survives in spite of them, not because of them.
They would have burnt a Galileo as “not obeying the narrative”.

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
May 28, 2020 10:03 PM
Reply to  Einstein

Are you thinking of Giordano Bruno, not Galileo, who recanted, wisely.

P R Ivy
P R Ivy
May 28, 2020 1:32 PM

I was sent this link and personally I believe everyone has a duty to inform those who are wearing masks that their efforts, whilst well intentioned are about as useful as a chocolate teapot, baby steps towards educating the quite sad and ignorant masses who simply gullible beyond belief. Calls for the happy clappers to wind down their idiot shit is a step in the right direction and again it is only my opinion but we need to reclaim the rainbow, I plan to have inverted rainbows in my windows and on my flyers that say “shame on the NHS staff who chose to stay silent”, I am getting more and more vocal about how stupid I think this all is and questioning why so many people who have access to the internet are so gullible, no one likes to be thought an idiot hence why I feel that is… Read more »

P R Ivy
P R Ivy
May 28, 2020 1:33 PM
Reply to  P R Ivy

P R Ivy
P R Ivy
May 28, 2020 2:14 PM
Reply to  P R Ivy

I dont see the link I posted on my pc! so just in case

https://rosebyanyothernameblog.wordpress.com/2020/05/27/whats-behind-the-mask/

and withouth the http shiit

rosebyanyothernameblog.wordpress.com/2020/05/27/whats-behind-the-mask/

failing that just put in rosebyanyothernameblog.wordpress.com and cant miss it 😉

sunset
sunset
May 28, 2020 3:06 PM
Reply to  P R Ivy

Wearing a mask is rather like smoking 80-a-day, only actually a lot more detrimental to Human Health. *real* surgical masks are treated with stuff like colloidal silver, and used for as short a time as possible before being disguarded. When sheeple wear a mask, it is actual a direct form of slow suicide. To have a wet warm sticky collection of one’s own exhalent feeding back into the lungs via one’s nose is the perfect infection incubation cycle. This is not an accident. Why do you think the people at the top never wear masks (unless for 5 mins screen time when appearing on TV in front of the sheeple, or for a ten minute token appearance in front of the public in a carefully calculated appearance.) Of course, at the top of all this, non-SARS2 connected WHO experts, and the UK govs own non-SARS2 medical experts all said that… Read more »

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
May 28, 2020 10:05 PM
Reply to  sunset

As expected, the anti-mask hysteria grows ever more demented. It’s a mark of the True Believers in any cult to come up with ever more lurid ‘Declarations of Faith’, to prove their continuing bona fides, lest they be denounced as a ‘maskist’ or a ‘warmist’ or some other such deviant.

Reg
Reg
May 29, 2020 12:58 AM

It’s fun to watch you triggered, Dicky, you fake “anti-imperialist”. Do you have kids, little commissar? Have you explained to them their world is fucked thanks to people like you?

Tinero
Tinero
May 29, 2020 9:58 PM
Reply to  sunset

Fabianism is a modern(ish) manifestation of Calvinism.

Ted
Ted
May 28, 2020 3:12 PM
Reply to  P R Ivy

It is one thing for adults to choose to play the great mask experiment game and risk untold social, psychological, and physical sefl-harm as a result. It is quite another to force all school children to do so. These maniacs must be stopped. Outrage is needed here and soon!

http://ocregister.ca.newsmemory.com/?publink=36d2ab12c

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
May 30, 2020 12:13 AM
Reply to  Ted

Wearing a mask risks ‘…untold social, psychological and physical self-harm..’, does it? Roll on mass hysteria-it’s like a competition in histrionics. Masks give you cancer, even if you only think of wearing one! I win!

Cheezilla
Cheezilla
May 28, 2020 3:56 PM
Reply to  P R Ivy

I love your upside down rainbow idea. Pity passers-by can’t see past my hedge or I’d be making one now.

Jim McDonagh
Jim McDonagh
May 29, 2020 12:09 AM
Reply to  P R Ivy

Since the full weight of our police states enforcers is now behind this mask , gloves, and distancing idiocy that one risks serious injury if you choose to speak out in public or refuse a store clerks instructions . These attacks are now common but go unmentioned on the MSM. I recently watched a homeless oldster get stabbed with an umbrella wielded by a masked and gloved older upscale harridan when he inadvertently entered her safe space in the supermarket , of course the old man was taken into custody?

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
May 30, 2020 12:14 AM
Reply to  Jim McDonagh

It’s like being in Salem, just before the witch trials.

Paul
Paul
May 28, 2020 1:04 PM

If I may make a suggestion to Off Guardian and to do more research into the scientists behind this global conspiracy. In England we have Chris Witty and Neil Ferguson who are heavily funded by Bill Gates. Sir Patrick Vallance is former president of GSK. 32 of the 34 members of the UK vaccine council are funded by Bill Gates or Microsoft. The other 2 work for Sir Patrick Vallance. Here in Northern Ireland the Professor driving and prolonging lockdown is Ian Young. He sits on the scientific advisory board of AstraZeneca. As AstraZeneca have signed a multi million deal with the British government to produce vaccines by the earliest of September Professor Ian Young has a massive conflict of interest. Whilst none of the above information is proof of any wrongdoing, it does highlight that any ‘scientists ‘ advising the government should not be working for big pharma as… Read more »

ame
ame
May 28, 2020 1:28 PM
Reply to  Paul

dont forget drain the swamp for brainwashed

The ex-pharma exec leading Trump’s COVID-19 vaccine program has $10 million in stock options for a company getting federal funding
https://www.businessinsider.com/moncef-slaoui-leading-trump-vaccine-push-10m-holding-moderna-conflict-2020-5?r=US&IR=T

sunset
sunset
May 28, 2020 3:22 PM
Reply to  ame

BusinessInsider is such a crude an obvious deep state propaganda outlet, I’m always amazed there is anyone thick enough to fall for their garbage. *But* they use the sad old tactic of ‘preaching to the choir’. So idiots that think there is a blue team and a red team love BusinessInsider cos it always bats for their team. Orange Man bad, dribble, dribble.

PS 10 millions to a top person is like one penny in my wallet- do you even know the value of money? It’s like that Austin Power’s movie, where the once frozen villain has no idea what a large some of money is in today’s terms.

ame
ame
May 28, 2020 4:09 PM
Reply to  sunset

dribble dribble just like your zero hedge source one can cipher intel and not be thick enough old sunshit storm orange man bad is also red team blue then theses who just up and say ‘they crack it’ becuase they watch m,ichael tasriosn or redice and see the whole picture now he them has run back to he voting x billet booth. some of us where not that unwise whilst yourself wanting a form of armageddon to drain the thickos which they are still in that mode of thought, whilst thinking there a form of kenosis them selves no difference then gates or the lone pasty story. but you see so clearly now beyond no doubt chosen (call em the kundlaini rv driving yoga type free waitorse coffee drinker ) microwaveable spirituality thanks for coming here and saving us less fortunate with your amazing book list etymology gemetria cyphering and… Read more »

Moneycircus
Moneycircus
May 28, 2020 7:40 PM
Reply to  sunset

By their patterns shall ye know them. The system of manipulating the press hasn’t changed since the ’50s. The CIA (and associated unintelligent agencies) positions various magazines/outlets aimed at different cohorts and often in apparent rivalry to each other. Choose, dears, between Time, Newsweek, Readers Digest, National Geographic, Encounter, Ramparts… and so on. Today you can choose The Atlantic, Business Insider, Vox, Vice, Popular Mechanics… and perennials like The Economist and Rolling Stone. I’m only counting the kind of publication that presumes to form your world view, so I exclude fluff like Buzzfeed, Mashable etc which equally are owned/controlled by the same lot. There are two clues and several proofs. The clues are the writing style… Time, Newsweek, RD and The Economist are paragons of the confident, no-nonsense, this-is-how-it-is, style of spoon-fed world view. Encounter, Rolling Stone, Vox and Vice are sterling examples of the raised-eyebrow, head tilted ironic approach… Read more »

Gezzah Potts
Gezzah Potts
May 28, 2020 2:00 PM
Reply to  Paul

I second your idea Paul. Its all like an incestuous spiders web of…. Billy’s Buddies. If you laid all the names on a table, what’s the bet almost all of them are connected in some way.

sunset
sunset
May 28, 2020 3:17 PM
Reply to  Paul

When you run a con like the SARS2 false flag, you obviously pick out the useful idiot ‘experts’ who will back your needed pseudo-science propaganda. Some of these ‘experts’ *know* they are lying- some are just the thick-as-sh-t individuals one finds in any body (“90% of all science fiction is crap”- “well 90% of anything is crap”). Years ago the book “Zen and the art of Motor Cycle Maintenance” was famous for exploring this issue. How does one get quality? But the sheeple certainly have no quality either. You state there is a ‘crisis’. No there is not- at least not one due to any virus. When your perception is idiotic, the voices that guide you will also be idiotic. You attempt to get out of quicksand by demanding people pour a different form of quicksand on you. To be honest, I’m sitting back watching the world burn- watching the… Read more »

Nixon Scraypes
Nixon Scraypes
May 28, 2020 4:36 PM
Reply to  sunset

Perhaps you missed the sequel, Zen in the art of admiring one’s self in the highly polished chrome.

snuffleupagus
snuffleupagus
May 29, 2020 10:58 AM
Reply to  sunset

Swallowing the fable of the deadly ‘virus’ like they would have swallowed the fable of god’s wrath hundreds of years earlier.

to be fair to mediaeval peasants, it required material evidence to convince them of the reality of God’s wrath, usually in the form of war, famine, and pestilence.

nowadays, all that needs to happen is for the TV Voice of Authority to announce the impending apocalypse, and then the neoliberal corporate serfs will obediently cower in terror in their huts, and if dire necessity forces them to venture outside, they will faithfully perform the sacred rituals of Masking and Social Distancing.

thus does human society progress from dark superstition and ignorance, to scientific knowledge and enlightenment.

Dungroanin
Dungroanin
May 30, 2020 11:04 AM
Reply to  sunset

You obviously missed one of the central points of that book – it’s revelation of Wester European philosophical Academic orthodoxy that keeps history being a lie written by the winners.

Maybe read it again.

The ragged trousered philanthropist is also a good primer in the old slaveowner/slavemaster/slave orthodoxy.

Nixon Scraypes
Nixon Scraypes
May 28, 2020 4:27 PM
Reply to  Paul

Proof of wrongdoing? I believe there’s a legal term~ “moral hazard” that covers this sort of situation. It’s a good definition, not presupposing any guilt but pointing out the dangerous possibilities inherent in the situation. The person in the situation is open to temptation and the public is likely presume the probability of guilt. No good for anybody. I’m going all round the houses here trying to say that anyone in a position of moral hazard should be removed without predjudice on a “just in case” basis for their own and everybody’s good.

Steve Hayes
Steve Hayes
May 28, 2020 4:47 PM
Reply to  Nixon Scraypes

Nixon, I suspect the legal term you are referring to is wilful blindness.

Willem
Willem
May 28, 2020 6:33 PM
Reply to  Paul

The Dutch prophet of doom’s name is Albertus Dominicus Marcellinus Erasmus Osterhaus (short name Ab). He is been selling the virus fear porn on national media since SARS came along in 2003. He is member of many committees (WHO, Jenner institute, GSK, etc) is professor of a renowned university, adviced the Dutch government to buy swine flu vaccines of a company of which he owned 10% of total stock and for which he worked 1 day per week, and so on and so forth. And anyone who says anything about his ‘potential’ conflict of interest in the media (and gets attention), is replied by Osterhaus that ‘the hunting season’ has opened. The great expert can’t help it, you know, that it looks like he has a conflict of interest. He is just one of those experts who are a member of every club with interest, because he is so self-important.… Read more »

Terje M
Terje M
May 29, 2020 7:13 AM
Reply to  Willem

I checked out this Dr. Osterhaus, and it indirectly led me to an interesting media analysis from Science Daily of expert claims during the 2009 swine flu. The result is obvious, but it still nice to have scientific proof of it:

Academics with links to the pharmaceutical industry were more likely to talk up the risks of the 2009-10 swine flu pandemic in the media and promote the use of drugs than those without these ties, finds research published online in the Journal of Epidemiology and Community Health.

The study concluded:

Given the evidence of competing interests among academics providing media commentary, these should be declared before media interviews in order for public health to retain its independent voice…. Finally, journalists themselves may have undisclosed conflicts of interest that would impede truly impartial reporting.

jamie
jamie
May 28, 2020 12:46 PM

LBRY is the new youtube, it is in its infancy but shows great promise with zero censorship/ownership/control. Download to your device to enable faster viewings for all.

Dave
Dave
May 28, 2020 12:51 PM
Reply to  jamie

The file hosting on LBRY only works on desktops at the moment. You need to download your client from lbry.com
You host content when you download it in the app and share it on the network like a torrent.
LBRY is the future or something like it.

sunset
sunset
May 28, 2020 3:30 PM
Reply to  jamie

I’ve been on the net since long before most of you knew it existed. And I can say with total clarity that the days of net freedom are over. *Nothing* is going to challenge Youtube. These other services (which always prove to be deep state run anyway) are classic ‘limited hangouts’ , with a truly tiny reach. You can be on Youtube, even with its terrible censorship, and reach tens or hundreds of thousands of people- or you can be on one of these new services and reach tens or hundreds. Ever wonder why the net was not killed of in the early days (the public version I mean, not the originating academic/military predecessor)? Top old school media leaders demanded it be killed. They saw the threat (to their newspapers and TV stations). Many politicians, paid off by the media barons, demanded the death of the internet. But the Deep… Read more »

Dave
Dave
May 28, 2020 7:44 PM
Reply to  sunset

I don’t think it’s about challenging YouTube. It’s a protocol to stop censorship.
Similar to a torrents magnet link. So long as someone has the file it can be shared.

ame
ame
May 28, 2020 12:23 PM

sorry to be the dampener of things this also happen with welfare state and 200+ plus doctor psychiatric councilor psychology write in too dwp government and explained there welfare polices and assessment process ran by a private sector company’s caused some much harm escalated of medical condition even cause deaths shed loads of deaths government resp[osne polite fuck of although the government own einquire found all 3 of the private sector medical company reports of a low standard by over 50% they exstanded there billions pound contacts (think ont hta medical reports of such a low standard and the cuaslity it had) the same happen again 200+ doctor scientist wrote into governments about 5g ignored and less then 2 years later factchedcker now called them conspiracy theorists today Coronavirus: Test and trace system will start on Thursday it also national Masturbation Day, also known as International Masturbation Day, is an… Read more »

jamie
jamie
May 28, 2020 12:43 PM
Reply to  ame

Are they writing to or asking the governments? This is about trying to reassure/educate the public.

ame
ame
May 28, 2020 1:24 PM
Reply to  jamie

in both of the cases public was made fully aware i.e emf rf case have won substantial amount of compensation mobile phone giants have all changed there terms and conditions and says now do not have on or near the body etc among other things 1000’s of newspaper reports the last decade about the government welafre policy and ti private sector assessor who do the government dirty works the reason this is going to be big now is UC which everyone will have to go on when furlough finishes end of august is just a fucked computer system as computer says no the UCVsystem and staff that run it AI. they government after many many many public and charity pressure inquiry’s delayed the roll out until 2025 and this came along digitalised welfare state oer digitlaised medical state where your medical reports and medical file gets uploaded to private sector… Read more »

Nixon Scraypes
Nixon Scraypes
May 28, 2020 4:44 PM
Reply to  ame

I mostly agree with you and you didn’t miss much,apart from about 50 typos (friendly laughter, it happens to me all the time(.

ame
ame
May 28, 2020 5:10 PM
Reply to  Nixon Scraypes

only 50 tyopos ! why tnahks hte toinp bnieg ouy udnreoostd hte gest of what was bieng ssiad and grammly doesnt learn the sequences of how one tought pttresn wrtis/rites.
the god is in the gaps

Nixon Scraypes
Nixon Scraypes
May 28, 2020 11:00 PM
Reply to  ame

Between the lines your voice betrays. The night and turns it into day. What worries me, I must be frank. Will brexit stop my right to wank?

Gezzah Potts
Gezzah Potts
May 28, 2020 12:20 PM

I have a lot of respect for Dr Sucharit Bhakdi, along with other medical professionals like Dolores Cahill who have tried to raise the alarm about what has been happening. Just did a quick search then for Dr Sucharit Bhakdi on BBC and The Guardian. O results on the first page of searches. Given the grotesque, Stasi like levels of Censorship going on now, especially by YouTube and Facebook, I have to wonder how long a video from the Medical Professionals and Scientists group would remain on YouTube? I wonder how long it would be before the paid presstitutes of the ‘respectable’ media and alleged ‘Leftists’ like Tim Anderson and the Celebrity TV Doctors started sticking the boot in to deliberately demonise and smear. Like they did with the courageous Judy Mikovits who has way integrity in her little finger than those just mentioned. Combined. I won’t even start on… Read more »

Binra
Binra
May 28, 2020 1:34 PM
Reply to  Gezzah Potts

I sense that Fear calls its own, as does Love. Love calls us present, Fear calls to division unless harnessed to bringing us fully present. My sense is that fear calls to illusions, that are given power to mask against feared or denied reality – and how is that going to pan out? War on Reality is what is panning out. Anywhere along the path of an attempt to follow old strategies that run counter to our true needs is an opportunity to stir a real question. This may have to be under the radar as an inner negotiation of willingness to open something fearful – but in different ways to the sense of disquiet or self-betrayal being instilled or demanded by compliance to the ‘new norms’ It is important there be a witness to an alternative to old programming running blind in control agenda. I don’t see it as… Read more »

Gezzah Potts
Gezzah Potts
May 28, 2020 1:54 PM
Reply to  Binra

As I’ve already mentioned, it’s about Conscience. It’s Not about fear or hatred or virtue signalling.
It’s about being guided by my conscience. I also take inspiration from Gandhi and Martin Luther King, as well as the notion of non violent civil disobedience against unjust directives.
I have already made the choice to not comply or legitimise this ‘new normal’ in anyway. Because we both know where this is heading. You probably would have read 1984?
I appreciate the link to Dr Buttar – have seen a few video clips of him now, and he is a passionate, forthright speaker about the ‘pandemonium’ or as I refer to it ‘panicdemic’. Have a good day Brian.

Binra
Binra
May 28, 2020 8:42 PM
Reply to  Gezzah Potts

I am totally into tuning in for guidance. I usually invoke the heart’s recognition as a result of stilling the mind so as to watch or see the mind -in-act rather than be running its reactions. But you keep bring in your conscience as if either its all about you, or all according to your sense of right and wrong? I wasn’t writing to you personally but expressing my view to the theme. If that releases you from responding as if I am asking or telling you something specifically – then you are of course already free! I see the mind of judgement of good and evil as the cause of the loss of true awareness to a masking persona. Fear and hatred of evil drives a masking ‘mind’. This is simply evident – unless the fear is active when it is NOT evident. Though it is a bit more… Read more »

sunset
sunset
May 28, 2020 3:46 PM
Reply to  Gezzah Potts

If their message was *effective* wrongthink, they’d be thrown off major platforms immediately. Then they’d preach to the choir- messages to people who already know the truth anyway- like 99% of the reach of Architects and Engineers for 911 truth. The numbers can never be in our favour. Did you never learn the lesson of Shakespeare’s Julius Caeser? Sway the mob and win the day. The braindead mob have happily swallowed every lie of this false-flag, and that mob is now a weapon that cannot be defeated on ‘the streets’. Hope lies with good alphas at the top battling the evil alphas, but today there are no good alphas at the top doing battle- so we lose there as well. People here are stupid enough to think you can battle in the middle and win- no you cannot. The mob *always* trumps the middle. More people could wake up in… Read more »

Gezzah Potts
Gezzah Potts
May 28, 2020 4:19 PM
Reply to  sunset

Sunset…. if their videos were effective ‘wrongthink’ or reached a certain number of viewers… of course they would be banned immediately. I know that. That’s why I said… ‘how long would they last on YouTube’. In the last 2 months alone, I’ve lost count of how many videos have been pulled off YouTube or how many Facebook accounts have been deleted. I also understand we are in the small minority. Others may not want to hear that, but it’s the truth. Look around. The large majority have guzzled a large bath of Kool Aid, and fully believe the propaganda. I don’t deny that. And then there’s the question of the Cops, and if it came to it, the Army. And now I’m going to contradict myself somewhat. I won’t comply with, or legitimise in any way this ‘new normal’ and as I said above, I look to Gandhi and Martin… Read more »

Rod
Rod
May 28, 2020 12:08 PM

Lockdown has certainly had a detrimental effect on the person who chose the music for this video. However, I endured it because I have a great belief in the cause.

wardropper
wardropper
May 28, 2020 4:12 PM
Reply to  Rod

I have to say that the YouTube outlet seems to encourage people to think that unless their video has “music” which is inappropriately loud mind-numbing, or heart-swelling and “patriotic”, then nobody will pay it any attention. This is so wrong, and the opposite of what will happen. A calm voice, preferably without speech defects, simply stating the facts will do the job perfectly. After all, we are not adressing teenagers with ADHD here, but people who are receptive to, and who have a thirst for, information which is not censored or propaganda-like in nature – people who can think, who can analyze, criticize, and, above all, hear a spoken text, without the need for any aural crutches to support their mental faculties.

JoeC
JoeC
May 28, 2020 12:06 PM

I fear the ‘fear’ is too far ingrained at this present moment to make any headway. We’ll have to wait and see if it will subside with time. I’ve been spending time watching what’s happening in New York courtesy of Lincoln Karims YouTube efforts on his bike:
https://www.youtube.com/user/lincolnkarim1
It appears that over 90% of New Yorkers are clinging to their face masks as a way of life. The city that never sleeps is in a deep slumber. It’s going to be hard to wake them up.

Moneycircus
Moneycircus
May 28, 2020 12:49 PM
Reply to  JoeC

What happened to the tough, hard-bitten Noo Yawkers? All I can see is people cowed by SJWs and identity politics. Fear of pronouns. Fear of opinions. Perhaps even fear of femininity and masculinity how did THAT happen? How can a city deny the ribald and ridiculous? That is what DEFINES a city: it takes all kinds to make one. I get told a’times to embrace my inner justice warrior. I can’t even embrace an outer one. They won’t let me. Not even figuratively and that’s from the people who brought you free hugs. Seriously, the SJW mentality, like PC, closes down the mind. I have several dear, close relatives. Sometimes they even want to talk politics… but the moment you indulge them, it comes back to tribal, emotional, neuro-chemical responses. The experience is a bit like talking to a drunk: the words go in but it gets mushed up and… Read more »

dolly
dolly
May 28, 2020 2:33 PM
Reply to  Moneycircus

The dancing woman was nice. Are masks compulsory in New York, that is sad.

sunset
sunset
May 28, 2020 3:57 PM
Reply to  JoeC

Previously, Americans embraced eugenics, and before that Human Slavery. Today Americans engage in near universal male genital mutilation cos Kellogg told them self abuse leads to moral degenerancy. The same fake excuse used to justify female genital mutilation. Americans cheer teen ‘football’ players made massive from ingesting the hormones used to make the beef they eat ‘better’. Americans cheer extremely tall black basketball players whose parents disgustingly colluded with doctors to give their kids Human Growth Hormones to create these ‘freaks’ of nature. The USA is one seriously effed-up place. Yet the average yanks never wants to see the man behind the curtain- which is curious cos no nation in Human History has ever more freely written about the true horrors carried out in its history. The deep state in the USA learned the lesson that one ‘hides’ the truth from the public by displaying the same truth openly. The… Read more »

Reg
Reg
May 28, 2020 11:47 AM

To the depopulation maniacs I would like to suggest eliminating about a billion people from China and India. Stands to reason, right? Too many people in both countries. The planet’s groaning under their weight.

https://www.anti-empire.com/122-million-indians-forced-out-of-jobs-in-april-alone-12-million-to-be-pushed-into-extreme-poverty/

ame
ame
May 28, 2020 1:40 PM
Reply to  Reg

your not from u.k the last decade have seen u.k people poor sick disabled and venerable and even zero contacors hour workers using food banks in usa they have food stamps
and if the gestepo government officials on government targets to hit can sanction people on welfare and take 50% of the welfare money being hungry will get one to work
even thought here was no jobs in certain areas
SOLD under the guise of austerity to save money because the banking bailout
dont look at china or india reg start with u.k and usa
in how they treat there poor sick disabled and venerable and even zero contractor hour workers.
ow yer CV myth in 2020 added the caste system above to the expendables as well

Willem
Willem
May 28, 2020 11:44 AM

I understand the idea of organizing and finding experts of like with like. However, I don’t think that the world needs like-minded experts to be organized in terms of ending this madness on Covid19. Experts are only needed when a question is very difficult to answer/ can only be answered by a person who has the means to answer the question. In terms of Covid19 and its ‘fatality’ and all related measures: the question on the purpose of it all is scientifically not difficult at all and can be taken from public websites where they for instance compare the number of people who died with Covid19 vs those who died from influenza in a comparison year. So instead of experts I think the world needs psychiatrists, psychologists, humanitarians to explain why a ridiculous story like Covid19 is believed by so many people while the belief has many disastrous consequences (in… Read more »

Ted
Ted
May 28, 2020 3:33 PM
Reply to  Willem

I think an anthropologist might be even handier than psychiatrists and psychologists. Cultural manias are well established in the human story (remember the cargo cult?). We are certainly now in the throws of a full blown modern techno-medical cargo cult. The difference here is that, unlike the islanders of Papua New Guinea half a century ago, these cultists are directing policy making and media profit centers — causing incredible amounts of real harm. The cultist believe, “If we wear our masks and dutifully enact whatever inane social distancing practices, then the technology gods will deliver tons of vaccine cargo and we will be saved!”

What many people don’t know is how the cults drove all sorts of inter-group violence as competing prophets attempted to win over converts to their particular prophecy and new ritual practice. That is not a good omen.

See the excellent film, Waiting for John.

Alice Klar
Alice Klar
May 28, 2020 3:40 PM
Reply to  Willem

From The Flame Tree Project dkeenan.com/Flametree.pdf The Uncentred Self: Chronic Desensitization and the Denial of Reality Sometimes psychological disorders are caused by genetic malfunction, physical damage or nutritional deficiency. However, a large variety of common and less common emotional problems, as well as perceptual and behavioural disorders, are caused by the suppression of the child’s capacity to feel its natural feelings, pay attention to itself and act out of its own independent, communicative and cooperative ‘self-centre’. This suppression may occur as a result of obvious physical, sexual or emotional abuse, but it is also caused by more subtle, and socially accepted, behaviours such as distracting the child from crying in reaction to being frightened, hurt or frustrated, or forcing or manipulating the child into obedience (causing the loss of its independent mind). Fundamentally it is fear that our natural independent selves are somehow dangerous and unlovable that causes emotional, perceptual… Read more »

sunset
sunset
May 28, 2020 5:09 PM
Reply to  Willem

Noting that Hellword is ‘insane’ will not revert us back- this is a naive nonsense. Of course people with jobs that force them to notice the truth, like that surgeon, comprehend that something isn’t right. All across the Earth such people are going “why aren’t the authorities concerned about this issue X i’m seeing”. The *logical* conclusion is that the authorities just don’t care, because what is coming renders these issues moot. A condemned man who lost his foot before capture wondering why those that are going to hang him in a few days don’t seem to be concerned about his mutilation. Today, in Hellworld, all I see is people trying to convince themselves they don’t now live in Hellworld. It can’t be Hellworld, cos they don’t like the idea. proof be damned. Direct experience be damned. “I don’t want to live in Hellworld, so this cannot be Hellworld”. People… Read more »

snuffleupagus
snuffleupagus
May 29, 2020 11:31 AM
Reply to  sunset

Resistance is futile. You will be assimilated.

Angry Slave
Angry Slave
May 29, 2020 11:52 PM
Reply to  sunset

I think you are spot on. The votes reflect just how hard this is to accept. Until a sufficient number accept that this is – there really is no hope because we will sit in those flats until there is no way out.

Moneycircus
Moneycircus
May 28, 2020 11:41 AM

Who is running UK government? Why are there so many serving British Army officers at the top of UK government? There is a government of occupation. Police, military, security services and media have been combined. New “justice” laws enacted allowing almost any offence to be branded “terrorism”. There are at least three Lt Cols of the 77th Brigade at the heart of UK government, including Tobias Ellwood MP, Chairman of the Defence Select Committee, who also works in 77th Brigade – a clear conflict of interest. In both roles he reports to Cabinet Secretary Mark Sedwill. https://www.ukcolumn.org/ukcolumn-news/uk-column-news-20th-may-2020 Ellwood recently called on Sedwill to give up his role as head of the civil service and take command of the Covid response… You might wonder what role is left to PM Boris Johnson. Another of the 77th Brigade operatives at the heart of government is Rupert Burridge, described as a Lt Col,… Read more »

Jo Dominich
Jo Dominich
May 28, 2020 12:52 PM
Reply to  Moneycircus

Moneycircus, this is very worrying indeed. Never again will this country be able to criticise other countries Human Rights record, censorship, propaganda or their jailing of political prisoners. It seems to me that what we have here is far more draconian than the USSR censorship and propaganda and way more dangerous than any kind of censorship China has in place. At least in the days of the USSR the censorship and propaganda was overt. In this country, as you say, the MSM is in lockstep, so, unless people like us on here try to dig out the truth, we are in a very dangerous situation.

Moneycircus
Moneycircus
May 28, 2020 1:16 PM
Reply to  Jo Dominich

The good thing is we can find information; it’s everywhere and can’t be hid. Coming into view are 150-200 years of policy that all comes to this one point where we stand. I urge anyone in academia, government, the military, to come study their colleagues and think critically about what is being done in their departments. Expose it. Here is what someone inside 77th Brigade leaked to UK Column: April 22nd UK Column received inside information about 77th Brigade charged “to defend against… internal UK security threats such as those challenging government and policies”. This insider present at the launch of 77th Brigade said “We were mega puffed up as the cream”. “Highly structured secretive operations with rooms within rooms on top of ‘need to know’. Regular army personnel and reservists increasingly sidelined as organisation expanded via the Cabinet Office and links with outside agencies such as Google, Twitter, Facebook… Read more »

Jo Dominich
Jo Dominich
May 30, 2020 1:24 PM
Reply to  Moneycircus

Hi Moneycircus, I am, quite frankly, astounded about the remit and the function of the 77th Brigade as outlined by the insider. Why do we sit here, the British people, and accept this kind of interference in what is purportedly meant to be a Parliamentary Democracy? I did, of course, know about the 77th Brigade and its function but for it to be so blatantly misused by its members who consider surveillance on civilians ‘fun’ should be of profound concern to anyone.

Tim Drayton
Tim Drayton
May 28, 2020 7:46 PM
Reply to  Jo Dominich

I don’t know about the USSR, but I spent a year as a student in Warsaw, Poland in the days when that country was living under the Stalinist parody of socialism (1983-1984), and people there for the most part used to laugh out loud at the propaganda served up by the state media, so things are indeed very different.

Paul
Paul
May 28, 2020 12:53 PM
Reply to  Moneycircus

And no mention of this information by the MSM.
As the economic catastrophe starts to unravel and with many thousands losing their jobs and livelihoods the push back will slowly come.
By the end of the year there will be anarchy, the sheep will slowly wake up and there will be riots in the streets.
Then the army will be on the streets and anybody who speaks out against the government will be enemies of the state.

We are sadly being guided into an Orwellian state by the British government.

And what’s sadder is most people have no idea what’s going on.

Reg
Reg
May 28, 2020 11:35 AM

Here, frothing, rabid covid fanatics. Look at this. Then immediately transport yourselves to Hell. Or we will send you there.

https://www.anti-empire.com/if-you-clamored-for-lockdowns-you-need-to-force-yourself-to-watch-this-video/

Tim Drayton
Tim Drayton
May 28, 2020 11:19 AM

Something has occurred to me .. unfortunately, very late. While outside today (here in Cyprus we have been allowed to go out without first getting permission by SMS from “big brother” for about two weeks!) I was eying up the large number of people who had donned totally pointless masks and scornfully thinking of them as badges of capitulation to the fearmongering dominant narrative. Suddenly, my mind went back to my Trotskyist student days in the 1970’s and I remember how there were always badges for any campaign the far left was waging in those days, and I think having a badge with a short, poingnant slogan and a striking graphic was a useful tool for getting the message accross. Wouldn’t it be good if those who dispute the fearmongering narrative around this virus could wear a badge identifying themselves as such (the slogan “I’m not afraid of the bogeyman”… Read more »

Offlands
Offlands
May 28, 2020 11:36 AM
Reply to  Tim Drayton

I saw somewhere and am trying to find again that a raised open palm as a greeting is becoming known as a sign of refusal to be cowed. I will post if I can find.

Jo Dominich
Jo Dominich
May 28, 2020 12:55 PM
Reply to  Tim Drayton

Hi Tim Drayton, On my daily outings I have noticed, this week, that people are less and less adhering to the social distancing rules. The parks actually have quite a few people in them now all sitting together, enjoying themselves, but not social distancing. But I like your plan, it could work well.

Sofia
Sofia
May 28, 2020 2:29 PM
Reply to  Tim Drayton

I’ve been thinking the same thing. I’ve just started back at the office and I’ve already been told off for standing to close to people. I was thinking of wearing a badge saying you can hug me if you like or hugs saves lives.

Reg
Reg
May 28, 2020 4:50 PM
Reply to  Sofia

Bloody hell. Imagine being the only sane person in a room full of robotic, mechanistic lunatics. Actually I felt like that when I used to work in an office. Must be worse now.

invitado
invitado
May 29, 2020 10:31 AM
Reply to  Tim Drayton

“Bodies are not toxic”, “human bodies do not hide WMDs”

Dungroanin
Dungroanin
May 30, 2020 11:19 AM
Reply to  Tim Drayton

They could wear their LEAVE badges – seeing how a large correlation exists.

🤡🤡

sam
sam
May 28, 2020 10:42 AM

Now Nigeria asking questions
https://www.newsbreak.com/news/0P0t0PAu/bill-gates-offers-nigerian-house-of-reps-10-million-bribe-for-speedy-passage-of-compulsory-coronavirus-vaccine-bill-citizens-threaten-action-to-stop-it
Bill Gates Offers Nigerian House of Reps $10 Million Bribe for Speedy Passage of Compulsory Coronavirus Vaccine Bill – Citizens Threaten Action to Stop It
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4lQ6_0kVRkc
Reps React Over $10 Million Bill Gates Alleged Bribe
https://greatgameindia.com/bill-gates-offered-10-million-bribe-for-forced-vaccination-in-nigeria/

Dolly
Dolly
May 28, 2020 10:36 AM

The right and far-right talk about liberty and freedom and look like the heroes in this crisis, but all they really mean is ‘liberty and freedom’ for the rich and corporations, because they plan for the rest of us to be impoverish with no way out, no funded education, no funded medical treatment. So under their offer we can be ‘free’ but only if we accept we are not owners of our own land, and are just free to be used by the rich. That is why Fox news and the right support ‘freedom’.

Jo Dominich
Jo Dominich
May 28, 2020 12:58 PM
Reply to  Dolly

Dolly, you are right of course. Cue, Orwell’s ‘proles’ which a vast majority of us will become unless we take to the streets. Good for the citizens of Nigeria for protesting against Bill Gates financial offer to rush through compulsory vaccination bill. Vaccinations should always be a choice not a necessity.

dolly
dolly
May 28, 2020 7:36 PM
Reply to  Jo Dominich

‘I was taking about the alt-right like Corbett who complain about Bill gates, not bill gates himself. They are ultimately on the same teams.

You took advantage of that ambiguity in my comment, although you knew what I really meant. ‘

this is my reply you deleted. I deserve a right of reply to this nonsense. Are you really thew guardian team because you like to deny any right to reply by moderating.

Jo Dominich
Jo Dominich
May 30, 2020 2:09 PM
Reply to  dolly

Dolly, I’m just a poster on here, I didn’t delete your reply because it isn’t within my sphere to be able to do so.