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The Question Of Evidence When Governments Push Political Narratives

Kevin Smith
Today, in the background of the risk of world conflict and threat to health and our way of life arising from Covid-19, it’s never been more important to be sceptical and understand evidence. Earlier in my career, I used to adjudicate financial disputes between two parties, weigh up the evidence, and decide the most likely scenario.
So, in terms of what’s going on in the world, I’m interested in narratives which are open to challenge and the thinking and motives of those in power, the media, and experts behind them. And particularly how the public watching and listening process these messages.

In the last 30 years, there have been many big events which have been questioned. Iraq is the classic example of where a relative few questioning the pretext of that invasion (Weapons of Mass Destruction – WMDs) were insulted and smeared but later vindicated.

Today, in the background of the risk of world conflict and threat to health and our way of life arising from Covid-19, it’s never been more important to be sceptical and understand evidence.

Earlier in my career, I used to adjudicate financial disputes between two parties, weigh up the evidence, and decide the most likely scenario.

So, in terms of what’s going on in the world, I’m interested in narratives which are open to challenge and the thinking and motives of those in power, the media, and experts behind them. And particularly how the public watching and listening process these messages.

First, before reading on, watch this clip, which I think is hilarious and vaguely relevant to what I’m going to say:

For those not familiar with the actors, this was a press conference held by Eliot Higgins of Bellingcat in 2018. Bellingcat is an Atlantic Council-funded online investigative website which has looked into the shooting down of the MH17 passenger plane, alleged chemical attacks in Syria, and the Sergei Skripal incident.

Graham Phillips, who crashed the event, is an independent UK journalist. He was there to ask Higgins what evidence he had for concluding Russia was responsible for the Skripal incident.

Someone unfamiliar with the background watching the clip might view Phillips as an amusing but disruptive, perhaps even unhinged, character who should have been escorted away by the police sooner.

Yet appearances can be deceiving. Those aware of Bellingcat, Higgins, and their highly suspect investigations, will know that the some of the questions Phillips was posing about the evidence for Skripal were pertinent.

Secondly, many people think they are not qualified to research or question the politics or science behind government decisions.

I can understand people with busy lives accepting narratives about events in far-away parts of the world. But Covid-19 should really change that given the impact that lockdown may have on our lives for years to come.

This is what Lord Sumption, former member of the English Supreme Court, said about Covid-19 on BBC Radio 4 recently:

What I say to them is I am not a scientist but it is the right and duty of every citizen to look and see what the scientists have said and to analyse it for themselves and to draw common sense conclusions.

We are all perfectly capable of doing that and there’s no particular reason why the scientific nature of the problem should mean we have to resign our liberty into the hands of scientists.

We all have critical faculties and it’s rather important, in a moment of national panic, that we should maintain them.

Lord Sumption is right. I often didn’t have expert knowledge of the area I was adjudicating on. It wasn’t necessary as we would rely on expert evidence, typically independent or from two sources. What I did was just weighing up information — an ability most of us have when applying ourselves.

Evidence comes in many forms: testimony, circumstantial, documents, and research or expert studies.

Below are some established concepts of assessing evidence as well as some pointers about the reality of today’s global scene that’s relevant when reviewing sharply conflicting narratives.

History And Track Record

This is a good initial indicator. Similar to detectives investigating a murder, they will be guided towards a suspect who has a criminal record.

In the case of Western governments, their advisors, and media, a look at their previous record on a whole range of important issues will show they’ve been wrong.

However, we should be mindful that just because they’ve always been wrong, that it doesn’t follow they are this time around.

For example, based on their past track record, we should certainly view governments’ response to Covid-19 with scepticism initially and ask questions. The information which flows from this and other material will make up the main body of evidence.

Onus Of Proof

Taking Covid-19 as just one example, it amazes me when someone says, “you seem to think lockdown is not necessary, it states on the news that it’s working, so what proof do you have that it isn’t?”

I probably don’t need to elaborate on this lazy thinking except to say that the onus is on those who assert to prove. So, the duty is on the government to show that lockdown is working by directly reducing infection, and most importantly, is necessary in the big scheme.

The media is a main channel to communicate such evidence, but statements of “we don’t know” or “it’s too early to tell” or “trust the science”, contradictions, and scare stories have been typical of the entire Covid-19 response.

Meanwhile, many sceptical experts and independent commentators have brought much to the table in terms of scientific studies and the questioning proportionality of lockdown measures.

The sceptics as yet have not had the same air-time to put forward their case. But people need to remember that the government has not discharged the onus of proof over Covid-19, and historically, rarely do over other events.

Motives

We go back again to our detectives. Who has most to gain from pushing a certain narrative? With Iraq, there were clear agendas in Washington to go to war, so much so that stories appeared in the press of links between Saddam Hussein and Al Qaeda. When this nonsense was dismissed, we moved to the threat of WMDs. We went to war out of a determination by Bush and Blair.

Today, I believe that the UK government is realising their lockdown response was driven by blind panic after receiving incorrect advice on potential mortality rates from their scientists.So, their main motive now is to prevent an angry backlash against the damage caused by lockdown.

Mixed up in all events from Iraq to Covid-19 are the combined interests of numerous parties such as NATO-funded NGOs and investigative sites such as Bellingcat, career journalists, arms industry lobbies, and big pharma. These vested interests include money, career advancement, power, and ideology.

For example, in deciding whether to get involved in Syria, selfish interests worked together. This is why one war after another has been a disaster.

Independent journalists and activists don’t generally have the same motivations and therefore their opposition to their government’s Syria policy is based on the horror of the destruction and threat to world peace.

Thus, understanding the main players and their motives is crucial to understanding evidence.

Tactics

I recall when adjudicating disputes, the lengths one party would go to, to mislead or pressurise me.

The government, in pushing the narrative of the day, is no different, and has many tools in its armoury, not least a compliant media.

Blaming others, dumbing-down debate, and distracting their audience towards less important issues are classic tactics. For example, when the Covid-19 debate should be about whether lockdown is proportional and necessary, the media focus on scare stories, lack of equipment for health service staff, and blaming China.

The government and media also build a ‘unifying’ theme, encouraging weekly clapping for health workers and constant TV adverts telling us to “stick together to see it through”.

But the mask slips when dealing with the dissenters. Heavy-handed policing of lockdown and outright censorship of those who question the necessity for lockdown, even extending to the views of respected but non-government experts.

Twitter mobs sucked into the frenzy of fear and the new ‘unity’ emerge to smear and insult those questioning the government position.

These tactics have been used prior to every war and during every crisis, only for the narrative to later collapse.

A sign that these people are wrong is that if their position had merit, they wouldn’t censor and would debate.

One of their tactics is to label anyone who questions the prevailing narrative as “conspiracy theorists”. Unfortunately, some dissenters, rather than stick to the position that the government has serious questions to answer, go on to speculate and develop theories which can’t be proven. This provides the opportunity for those pushing official narratives to dismiss powerful arguments based on one error or supplementary theory.

Experts Aren’t Always Right

I know from experience that experts are often wrong — possibly due to a bias, an under- or over- emphasis on certain evidence, a method, or an inability to think a little outside of their field. The results can be seen in all professions, for example, in miscarriages of justice and the experts which advised governments on WMDs, chemical weapons use in Syria, and Covid-19.

As such, the government messages of “trust the experts” should be treated with caution.

[Especially when they are selective about who qualifies as an “expert”, and ignore prominent figures who disagree – ed.]

Prejudice

We all have conscious and unconscious prejudices or accepted viewpoints based on peer pressure. One example which comes to mind is among some even in alternative media circles. They say, “Assad is a brutal dictator, but didn’t gas his people”.

They’ve looked at the evidence to establish the latter, but have unconsciously swallowed the unsubstantiated media propaganda on Assad as a person.

Peer pressure, pre-determined positions, and ideology are barriers to independent thinking. But just being mindful of these pitfalls when reviewing evidence helps to get to a more open-minded mindset.

Final Thoughts

To those who’ve researched and studied evidence and applied this to global events, it’s apparent that mainstream thinking at all levels doesn’t resemble the reality. Nowadays, a mainstream position on the most important events can be ripped to shreds.

Covid-19 and lockdown are by far the biggest event which has affected all our lives. Therefore, I’d expect the important questions about the real risks and proportion to gather pace.

In the meantime, we should spend the time in lockdown looking at the evidence in the round.

Originally published on One World Press

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Tony
Tony
May 30, 2020 4:46 PM

Don’t read this if you are not a pessimist.

All the official scientific evidence so far available (if you can call it that), fails to prove that a ‘pathogenic’ coronavirus physically exists mutated or otherwise – and it also fails to prove that it is the cause of Covid-19.

Virology and germ theory are riddled with contradictions which the vast majority of so-called peer reviewed scientific papers fail to reveal. For example, nobody appears to have questioned the alleged virus-host cell combination and its associated causal problems, nobody has questioned the essentialism relating to the viral genome or the teleology implicit in the viral replication cycle, or the alleged way that viruses are claimed to ‘spread’ from sick to well. I could go on but what difference would it make? Intelligence appears to be under a lock-down too – not just our docile bodies.

Surely there’s been enough information that has already been made available to the public on this website that amply demonstrates that fact that viruses do not cause disease and that you can’t ‘catch’ them in the way they say you can. However, the question is, has it made much difference to the ardent germ theory and pathogenic virus supporters – I think not.

Perhaps a bit more Latin is in order to sum things up regarding official science on viruses:

Excreta tauri Omnia vincit Bullshit conquers all!

Robbobbobin
Robbobbobin
Jun 2, 2020 5:52 AM
Reply to  Tony

“Surely there’s been enough information that has already been made available to the public on this website that amply demonstrates that fact that viruses do not cause disease and that you can’t ‘catch’ them in the way they say you can.”

Two points:

  1. (1) Who, with any real clout in the official public health sphere, whether thats in government, in the medical profession, in academia, in the trade press or in the popular media, reads “this website”? Maybe a few from the latter two categories, to see what a few crazy ATL outlier virologists are saying, which they then ignore until they’re numerically safe enough to publish a brief passing reference to, or to see what the crazier BTL vox pop monkeys in the zoo are saying. So what have you been hoping for? That somebody else reading here will take it on themselves to write up your underground thesis with sufficient academic authority to get it onto the editorial desks of the BMJ/Lancet/NEMJ, etc., and thence past their status-enhancing peer-review echo chamber scam and thence into print? Or that enough of this website’s BTL monkeys will write enough amateur etiological letters from the electorate to their political and bureaucratic ‘representatives’ to bounce it into a mass understanding (sic) that way? Sheesh. What have you not learned from Greta Thunberg about how it helps to have a literate daddy who is well connected enough to bring in some presidential-level politico-commercial movers and takers to do that sort of heavy lifting?
  2. Who, apart from those who don’t read here, generally for the above reasons, gives a flying fuck about what causes a disease when this or that prescribed medicine has fixed, at least in their perception, their bronchitis and their athlete’s foot, thank you very much doctor? The fact is that, for millennia, medics and other medicine men–Western, Eastern and localized indigenous–have been diagnosing and treating diseases with at least some consistent specific successes and, in some places have even got passably good at it well before any microorganisms were even conjectured. In the West, attention to sanitation and hygiene along with careful scientific observation and the democratizing techniques of pooled and differential analyses linked to experimentally-determined treatments successfully handled many common problems before any pharmacy antibiotics arrived to mitigate, quite obviously enough for by far the majority of lay people, their actual experience of the problems of surgical and general infection. So there’s your problem: you have a theory that is contrary to the paradigm dominating current western practice and a lay population that overwhelmingly supports the medics working under that paradigm, however much they are moving to express opposition to the way “the guvmint” is handling things in relation to COVID-19. And you are posting a whine about it here? What do you want us to do? Rush out with a bunch of placards reading “You are all a bunch of sheep. Rip off your masks, sniff my armpits and give me a kiss”?
Robbobbobin
Robbobbobin
Jun 2, 2020 8:22 AM
Reply to  Tony

A.k.a. Preaching a gospel in all the wrong churches.

BigB
BigB
May 30, 2020 1:57 PM

To those who’ve researched and studied evidence and applied this to global events, it’s apparent that mainstream thinking at all levels doesn’t resemble the reality. Nowadays, a mainstream position on the most important events can be ripped to shreds.

This has always been so: the trouble is, once you start, where do you stop?

I am extremely happy that we – the broader we (I am not separate from any social reality) – are reclaiming dormant critical faculties …and viewing the dualistic scientific method and extreme scientific worldview as doubtful – which they are. But when one begins one’s global critique: one will discover that is because certainty is doubt.

I used to cry with laughter when I first read Descartes “Meditations” ..now I just cry. That is because the entire scientific Cartesian methodological individuality (observer independence from reality) – that is the Cartesian ‘subjective turn’ – is founded on the absolute clarity and indubitability of doubt. Which is the foundational cornerstone (and potential capstone) of modern society: dubito ergo sum.

The modern flight of fancy into certain subjectivity (a deliberate tautology) begins with the ontological catharsis and ecstasis of any doubtful sensible perception or biological impairment …modernities inner exile in pursuit of certainty is thus primarily disembodied. And mortal flesh free: a purely imaginary affair of the disembodied ‘mind’.

A position which has been critiqued since almost before the ink was dry: only for the critical faculties of more embodied minds to be dismissed as lacking objectivity? To the point where it is indisputably ‘true’ and unimpeachable reality: by dint of the fact of untested and fact-free communal consensus.

Modernities human reality and scientific verificationism has very doubtful origins. Very doubtful indeed. Which is a challenge for any free thinker. One must free oneself from Cartesian Error before one can even begin to think straight. Which ain’t so easy: because all Descartes did was secularise the old Augustinian dubito. At least he did not condemn the flesh – and Man – to damnation as sinful and evil …as the old religious Augustinian thought did.

Western Thought (which is now a lingua franca thanks to globalisation) went into error when we split the world in two: being/non-being; self/other; and subject/object. Then proceeded to concretise, categorise, and classify an overarching ontological duality of mind and body …in what Whitehead came to designate the “Fallacy of Misplaced Concreteness”. The pursuit of certain knowledge – scientiae – of posivitism, pure reason, pure logic, deduction, and universally valid axiomatisation (nomological law-like determinate identity and lawful cause and effect (forceful constraint)) and an objectively verified extreme scientific realism have led here.

The pursuit of One Truth – known as alethic monism – is the historical and cultural pursuit of One God; One Government; One Natural Law …to shine a light of Universal Reason on all generations. The methodological monism of which is subjective …verified by the concreteness and certainty of the objectively true individuality (intentionally tautological as confused and ideological) …the literal separation of the mind stuff from the body stuff.

Which – as a consensual reality – is completely impervious to fact-checking. It is purely metaphysical extreme contemplation and blind-faith inculcation. It is a consensus gentium: a socially constructed reality that exists only because all the classes agree on individual certainty …cast in concreto.

So: I applaud the critical return. The disembodied Western Tradition is literally without humanity: an extreme mortification of the flesh from antiquity. Modern research in cognitive neuroscience has shown the ‘mind’ – the cognitive neuro-anatomy at least – is indeed embodied. Reason is active inference (not passive reflective deduction). Language is figuration, conceptual blend (analysis by synthesis) and poetic metaphor (not extreme logic and strict innate grammar). Mind, body, and environment are an ecological unity. Knowledge is neurally situated. Meaning is embodied in human flesh: not floating around in a superhistorical and supersensible invisible realm of Scientific Order and Eternal Truth (that only proto-fascists and neoliberal aestheticians can access). No shit Sherlock.

We made it all up. For the benefit of control and governmentality. Some of it – brute facts of existence and mortal limitations – we got right. Ironically: the near certainties – such as death and entropy – are the parts we discarded. All human knowledge is socially constructed extreme abstraction and generalisation …to the point of simulacra and hyperreality. Sense is sensible, perceptible, temporally cognisable by anyone and everyone – now. Only the vast majority of the oecumenicised worldview choose to believe otherwise …in some form of atemporalised and physically removed dualistic specular scientific reality …the spectacular form of an “separate pseudoworld” that resides “out there”. Of concrete separation of inner and outer constructive worlds – somewhere beyond space and time.

To be fair: if questioned – most people do not hold any view. By null hypothesis: they leave it to others to decide. Which is the basis of co-consensual constitutional democratic governmantality and the extreme scientific secularised worldview. The new planetary oecumene – of the certainly Known habitable (for now) world – colonised by doubtful dualistic psychic constructivism. With a vaccine for every ill.

Which does not represent the embodiment of reality on any level. And can be ripped to shreds as a substantial falsification by anyone. Getting the majority to share that view has proven to be historically challenging, shall we say? Which is the power of blind-faith and Tertullian’s Paradox: Credo quia absurdum

I believe: because it is absurd. Dualistic disembodiment is certain: because it is impossible.

bob
bob
May 30, 2020 4:31 PM
Reply to  BigB

(I am not separate from any social reality) – i’m only human :0)

Robbobbobin
Robbobbobin
May 30, 2020 4:34 PM
Reply to  BigB

“Reason is active inference (not passive reflective deduction).”

‘Reason’, appropriately defined and applied, is both. Jesus, the מָשִׁיחַ (not) = the χριστός (not), or his heirarchically authoritarian Saul/Pauline-inspired successors (same difference) got a few things right (whaddayaknow) and one of those, when reinterpreted for today, was “Render unto Caesar the things that are Caesar’s, and unto God the things that are God’s. ” Otherwise you should stop using this medium to promulgate (whether hypocritically or ignorantly, who knows) your own brand of selective oppositional monotheism. ‘Hypocritically’ because this medium’s very existence depends on technologies based on an intensity of committments to “scientific Cartesian methodological individuality” that, conciously or unconsciously, amounts to unwarranted contempt.

JudyJ
JudyJ
May 30, 2020 12:41 PM

Slightly off topic, but related to international handling of the ‘pandemic’, I wonder if anyone else saw last night’s BBC Newsnight special report from a front line hospital in Lombardy. I missed the beginning but I think it was filmed early on in the local crisis and was following the exploits of one of the senior doctors in charge of operations (literal and tactical).

I found it extremely disturbing viewing. Not because of the severity of the pandemic situation. But because the doctor came across as a seriously unhinged individual. His behaviour was just weird. His colleagues didn’t come across much better. There was footage of at least two elderly gentlemen who were relatively lucid and not gasping for breath being prepped to go on ventilators, and two nurses very roughly manhandling an elderly, frail lady, who was fit and vocal enough to remonstrate with them.

We were told that the featured doctor wore his face mask all the time, even when he was at home with his family. One segment showed him sitting at the family dinner table wearing his mask whilst his wife dished up a meal to the whole family. The footage then cut to him after the meal, still wearing his mask. Were we really supposed to believe he managed to eat his food without removing his mask? The weirdest segment of all was the doctor proudly looking at a selfie video of himself on his phone in which he was wearing his mask and other PPE, gasping as if he couldn’t breathe, and talking like an alien saying to his teenage children, presumably (I don’t speak Italian but heard the reference to ‘Papa’), something along the lines of “Don’t be scared, it’s only Papa”. On viewing this footage of himself, he then dissolved into hysterical laughter.

After this report, Newsnight then cut back to Kirsty Wark looking very serious as if all this was perfectly normal and she, of course, closes the programme sombrely with “Stay safe”. Aargh!!

beer
beer
May 30, 2020 1:56 PM
Reply to  JudyJ

For those who choose not to have a TV licence, the episode is available here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9TeJZ4eZSpI It’s rather grim. The doctor’s wife did say she thought he had gone a bit weird. The selfie video for his daughter was a Darth Vader impression, he said “I am your father”.

Willem
Willem
May 30, 2020 2:43 PM
Reply to  beer

Around 25 min the ‘doctor’ first puts on his gloves and then puts on his mask.

But then his gloves are dirty, because he touched his face with the gloves.

Here is the drill for being sterile

You first put on your mask/cap

Then you wash your hands

Then you put on the coat, without touching the outsides

Then you put on gloves

http://www.okcompleet.info/Menu_Item_Modules/Modules_files/OZT_Assisteren.html

Oh, and when you eat, you take your mask completely off. And after eating, the same thing as above.

Who are these actors?

Robbobbobin
Robbobbobin
May 30, 2020 5:48 PM
Reply to  Willem

“Who are these actors?”

These are not actors, these are ordinary, casual people fucking up in extraordinary, excruciatingly exacting situations. When he touches the mask while eating he almost gets that totally instead of just partially wrong too. Though as a solo, in-break shot, it may have been set up by the director and caught him doubly off guard. But full marks for your own utter perfection, even if it is as icey as a winter gale in Zandvoort.

Robbobbobin
Robbobbobin
May 30, 2020 5:34 PM
Reply to  beer

Thanks for the link. I didn’t catch the broadcast. He’s wearing the mask at home and loading but not unloading the dishwasher, etc., as an extension of standard operational procedure to help contain the spread of infection which, in this case, he may have contracted at work. The sort of life he has adopted since the emergence of COVID-19 is and has always been the everyday life of those working in the highly communicable disease isolation wards of hospitals everywhere. The usual lack of human sympathy and the arrogance of mindless self-absorbed ingratitude and projected denial will probably be manifested towards him justv\ as much here as it is extended to others elsewhere in this ongoing Off-Guardian extravagaza.

bob
bob
May 30, 2020 6:01 PM
Reply to  beer

i’m not going to watch it but is it full of white helmets?

Mishko
Mishko
May 30, 2020 11:11 PM
Reply to  bob

Even better: plus face masks, 2.0!

Robbobbobin
Robbobbobin
May 31, 2020 3:09 AM
Reply to  Mishko

Prick #2

Robbobbobin
Robbobbobin
May 31, 2020 3:09 AM
Reply to  bob

Prick #1

Gezzah Potts
Gezzah Potts
May 30, 2020 2:33 PM
Reply to  JudyJ

Large protests all round Australia today Judy, especially in Melbourne and Brisbane.
There’ll be protests here every Sat for the next 4 weeks, and several different Facebook groups opposed to the whole panicdemic agenda are involved in organising them.
One of them is doing fair bit of legal work and have engaged with lawyers and also issued cease and disest notices against Govt Ministers.
The protests today were much larger than the previous protests. People here have been shocked by the outright police brutality dished out against completely peaceful protesters, and it obviously galvanised more people to go out and join.
I didn’t make it today, as had, er, ‘health issues’ and didn’t want to venture too far from home, tho will be there next Sat.
Granted, a lot of people here still fast asleep, but today was very positive. More people are obviously waking up.
They livestreamed the protests, so still saw what happened.
Enjoy the rest of your weekend.

Gary Weglarz
Gary Weglarz
May 30, 2020 3:26 PM
Reply to  Gezzah Potts

Gezzah – Meanwhile here in the U.S. a massive protest response has exploded across the nation to the latest cold blooded police murder (and of course to so much more), but predictably the very same political voices and MSM that valorize the Hong Kong “protestors” and defend their property destruction actions – simultaneously despise and criticize any such protest and property destruction here in America. Surprise, surprise.

As the Orange One put it: “When the looting starts – the shooting starts.”

Lucky for we Americans that we have been carefully subliminally trained to reach for the “junk food” at the first sign of critical thinking and attendant cognitive dissonance – god forbid we’d ever face “reality” honestly.

I can’t help but think that the protests breaking out in many American big cities across the nation may just be the most hopeful sign that the ever-growing – ‘expendable’ – segment of our population (young people with no ‘economic’ future) will not go gently into the night of our draconian police-state nightmare.

Gezzah Potts
Gezzah Potts
May 31, 2020 1:13 AM
Reply to  Gary Weglarz

Hi Gary… I’ve watched a couple of livestreams from people walking round Minneapolis immediately after the riots, and was gobsmacked.
You may have seen on Jimmy Dore footage of an alleged cop walking round with a gas mask and umbrella breaking windows.
Yeah, I know exactly who is behind the Hong Kong ‘protesters’. One of the leaders was photographed being counselled by Staff from the United States consulate, and he’s also been feted by Pelosi and others. And then there’s the role of Jimmy Lai, and who his connections are.
Okay, firstly I detest Facebook…. But.
The but is I have joined 5 FB groups, two of which are in the United States:
*Collective Action Against Bill Gates
*99% United States “its us or them”.
Two others are more Australian orientated, and they have been involved in opposing the whole panicdemic agenda including lockdowns, 5G, etc.
So the positive thing is people have been linking up, swapping lots of info, giving advice on your rights, etc.
Tho noticed one of the Admins crack down today about irrelevant posts and to stick to the relevant topics.
Obviously there are astroturfers and intelligence agents going on these sites trying to stir up shit and create division.
Read your comment from a couple days ago when you were in the Nicaraguan solidarity group, and your own experience with agents provacateurs.
We are in such surreal times.
Enjoy the rest of your weekend✌️

Reg
Reg
May 30, 2020 3:45 PM
Reply to  Gezzah Potts

I would love it if Australia has a revolution. So far the going has been thoroughly ball-less. And I was starting to think I’ve been bamboozled. There’s no Aussie gumption!

Grafter
Grafter
May 30, 2020 3:42 PM
Reply to  JudyJ

Yep that’s the same old BBC propaganda shit with the overpaid mouthpiece Wark as chief commentator. Here in Scotland we have Sturgeon in the MSM patronising and congratulating the fearful for observing all the pointless, unscientific behavioural regulations. Very depressing. Whilst going through the supermarket today the tannoy was echoing a similar line telling us that we were now “local heroes” and that the deadly virus was being overcome thanks to our efforts. Pass me the stay safe sick bag.

Reg
Reg
May 30, 2020 4:04 PM
Reply to  Grafter

Jeez, I’m starting to throw up.

Robbobbobin
Robbobbobin
May 30, 2020 4:50 PM
Reply to  JudyJ

“Were we really supposed to believe he managed to eat his food without removing his mask?”

Don’t knock it. There are yoga adepts who specialize in drinking through their arse, or at least ingesting aqueous fluids by that means. Did the camera follow him, bearing a plateful of the day’s nourishment, into the karsi? Quite apart from that, what do you think a significant proportion of those writing and posting here, in this COVID-19 series of articles, are doing if not verbally miming the same trick without actually lowering their long johns?

Brian Sides
Brian Sides
May 30, 2020 11:39 AM

“Today, I believe that the UK government is realising their lockdown response was driven by blind panic after receiving incorrect advice on potential mortality rates from their scientists.So, their main motive now is to prevent an angry backlash against the damage caused by lockdown.”

This is the cock up theory.
But a lot of people would have had to make the cock up. China and there experts , The World Health Organisation. Scientific advisers, Government advisers , world leaders. This would have to have been on
a world wide scale. That is some cock up.
Also for things to have played out the way they have around the world. A series of similar independent but very similar actions and events would have been needed.
At the same time massive bank restructuring and the creation of trillions of imaginary money.
This is the coincidence theory.

Then there is the conspiracy theories.
That certain very rich people fund think times and direct the think tanks to explore certain ideas. This is not a theory. Some of there work is published or leaked. There is little that can happen that has not been considered and war gamed.
Then there is what they like to call Resilience. Preparedness for certain possibilities.
Carrying out exercises, Training equipping and stock piling , Preparing emergency laws for the control of the press and media. The mobilisation of the military . All this and more exists.

But what is different than any event in history is the world wide scale of this event.
In the past empires have controlled large parts of the world. Be it Egypt , Greece, Rome, Great Britain and others. But this event is on a scale much bigger and much quicker than anything that has gone before.

How the event started be it natural or man made accidental or deliberate. At some stage a well planned world wide program of actions was put into action.
This required an agreed narrative but agreed on a scale that has never been achieved before.

Some would say that what has happened is just a logical sequence of what needed to happen in the circumstance. A new virus naturally arose. China tried to contain it and warned the World health organisation. The virus escaped and started to spread around the world , The World health Organisation declared a pandemic. Most countries considered this virus was so much deadly that they had to quarantine there nations by means of lock down.

This explanation presupposes that non of the 195 plus independent countries or self governing regions.
Decided to work out the full long term consequences of there action. As opposed to a different action.
That no detailed cost benefit calculation by these countries is under take.

When a major fault is found in a aircraft design. Most people would expect all similar aircraft would be grounded and the fault fixed. But in reality this is not what happens. A cost benefit analysis is undertaken. The cost of grounding all the aircraft against the likely hood of the fault casing a crash. Plus the likely hood that the cause would be found and that the airline would have to pay compensation. Any such compensation may be less than grounding the aircraft’s for an extended period. Instead they would schedule the fault to be fixed during each aircraft’s scheduled maintenance.

The scale of the lock down cost is so many times greater than the cost of any likely aircraft compensation.
That to consider that no cost analysis was carried out on locking your entire workforce up seems hard to believe.
So if the cost of the lock down is greater than cost of no or less of a lock down. Then why would independent countries mostly choose it.
Most of the leaders of these countries must know that in the medium to long term they will be blamed.
Unless there is some powerful international control beyond what is known. But maybe that is just crazy.

Binra
Binra
May 30, 2020 12:52 PM
Reply to  Brian Sides

People have to live from their current capacity to embrace – all that is.
The polarising in virtue against vice cannot see it in themselves and the polarising in vice as a fundamental honesty against virtue-signalling hypocrisy cannot allow virtue in its own self-definition – excepting a reactionary defiance.

However, the point that I felt to to respond to is shock testing of the system – alluded to in aircraft design technology.
The opportunity to consolidate control over life on Earth – is the seed and the consummation of the mindset in possession and control. To ‘be as gods’ – translated to power in terms of private agenda set in image and form. In this meanings are made to replace Meaning by devices of separation or attack and division. However – back on point…

Everything is being grown and fed into a control system that various agenda align with as a sense of power and wealth set against fear and pain of loss.
This is also to say an interjecting template to a full and direct consciousness of existence operates blocks and filters of distortion and denial such as to compartmentalise consciousness into fragmenting and polarised pieces under a narrative dictae for puuting Humpty together again.
The nature of the power grab is all or nothing – and this is set up in the minds of many as ‘an offer you cant refuse’. It may see itself as emerging victorious as full spectrum dominance, but its undertow of dissonance is by no means eradicated or absent or ceasing to drive it.

The mind of the dreamer is unaware of the complex script that supports their dream. People think banks keep our money in vaults, and that the currency of exchange financially or in officially accepted idea – is external fact rather than common consensual agreement – running systemically behind the masking narrative of a controlled or lockstepped ‘construct of reality’.

The intent to shape and define narrative at will – from a top down imposition – and have it be so! Is to ‘lord it’ over all who live beneath the canopy or are forced into dependency and allegiance to it as The Order made flesh. Here is the inversion and reversal of True Power – which is in all and serves the whole – and for which we have seemingly little capacity to recognise, honour and align in love of.

You wonder about, but do not name, an ‘alien’ will. Taking the core meaning of alien as ‘Other’, note that the division or conflict of a split mind under great pain of fear calls to an EXTERNAL power …

continued on
https://willingness-to-listen.blogspot.com/2020/05/understanding-un-understandable-and.html

Binra
Binra
May 30, 2020 1:32 PM
Reply to  Binra
Robbobbobin
Robbobbobin
May 30, 2020 9:21 PM
Reply to  Brian Sides

“Unless there is some powerful international control beyond what is known. But maybe that is just crazy.”

No it’s not. Just, perhaps, not the specific expression of powerful control you have so far been able or inclined to consider.

Doly Garcia
Doly Garcia
Jun 1, 2020 7:42 PM
Reply to  Brian Sides

Who has most to gain from pushing a certain narrative?
 
Spot on. Who has most to gain from pushing the narrative that lockdowns don’t work, I wonder?
 
Because that’s the narrative that you are pushing, most clearly. You claim that the authorities are saying you have to wait to see the results. The authorities are saying no such things. The authorities are showing the numbers and proving that the lockdowns are working. In every single place in the world, numbers fall after restrictions are imposed. And the peak of deaths always happens about a month after the restrictions. Everywhere. Not before, and not after. The evidence is overwhelming.
 
So who has the most to gain from denying this evidence, I wonder?


Zigurat
Zigurat
May 30, 2020 11:22 AM

Unfortunately, some dissenters, rather than stick to the position that the government has serious questions to answer, go on to speculate and develop theories which can’t be proven.

In a healthy meme economy this is a good thing. All ideas have some intrinsic value, revealing some deeper truth. Be it by design or by accident.
To take the opinion of ‘My theory is the correct counter-opinion to the powers that be, all others are detrimental’ is purist. You’ll notice that not even the State propagandists claim this of their opinions, they always hedge. It is a mark for the age of scientism that we quest to know everything, but it is never provable by its own standards.
What I’m getting at is: perhaps it would be more useful to you if everybody agreed and corralled around your view to push back / do battle with the State. But that is to claim that you alone know the truth.
I’ll go on to speculate as I wish, because that is a fertile ground for meme seeds. You can continue asking your questions to the government.
(Pro tip: the government is not at all interested in answering your questions, no matter how serious you claim they are.)

bob
bob
May 30, 2020 11:18 AM

evidence – in 2020 – need it more than ever

https://twitter.com/21WIRE/status/1266629919615975427/photo/1

alternativel, youcan believe cnn

breweriana
breweriana
May 30, 2020 10:58 AM

Exhibit ‘A’ of BBC media lying:

“Coronavirus: When will public toilets be reopened?
By Mary O’Connor
BBC News
29 May 2020”

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-52774794

They were never required to be closed.
The actual exemption from closure under the regulations (England) is here:

“42. Public toilets.
Commencement Information
I62
Sch. 2 para. 42 in force at made date at 1.00 p.m., see reg. 1(1)”

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2020/350

breweriana
breweriana
May 30, 2020 11:15 AM
Reply to  breweriana

Further, I cannot find anything in the government regulations at all that speaks of ‘social distancing’, ‘mandatory face masks’, etc. This seems to be media created.

In fact, it was a statement from NHS health professionals that the Government chose to ignore and decided to go with the media hysteria, instead:

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/high-consequence-infectious-diseases-hcid

Quote:
“Covid-19 has not been an HCID (high consequence infectious disease) in the UK since the 19th March 2020, when it was declassified by PHE and the NHS, and also by The Advisory Committee on Dangerous Pathogens (ACDP) who were also of the opinion that COVID-19 should no longer be classified as an HCID.
They have determined that several features have now changed; in particular, more information is available about mortality rates (low overall)”
Unquote.

Mikeb
Mikeb
May 30, 2020 10:44 AM

There are far too many links in all of this covid play that link government scientists, ministers etc… to big pharma, i.e. gsk and to having received “funding” off the bill and melinda gates foundation to be extremely concerning to anybody with half a brain cell.

Now here is the rub in all this.

If I myself can simply read about what other people have discovered about the disconcerting links between “independent” scientists and government ministers, big pharma, and bill gates etc…who also provided links, evidence etc… to back it all up not just simple hearsay or conspiracy theory and also back check this for myself only to become extremely disconcerted at the conflict of interests etc… in all this, there is absolutely no way that any non complicit government could have missed this.

It would be like hiring an assistant who works for heinz and wondering why free beans keep turning up at your door with £50 notes wrapped around each tin, when you have to make a decision about who’s beens are best.

The only conclusion you can deduce from this whole situation is that

A) our glorious leaders are so stupid that they can’t see whats right in front of their noses.

B)Our glorious leaders are fully conplicit in whats going on, know about the links, are indeed part of them and are playing out another gulf of tonkin for their own reasons.

Our government being linked with bill gates and his foundation who have already paralysed tens of thousands of children with his polio vaccine in foreign lands and sterilising African girls “accidentally”wanting to test new vaccines in Africa to which the African government said basically no chance, were not a test bed.

To saying to our government oh yes but I need indemnity against vaccine damage before I’ll provide vaccines against covid.

Why would you even consider indemnity if your product was remotely safe?

We know its not, plus bill is a known eugenicist.

Maybe I’m being a conspiracy theorist here but would you take a vaccine made by a eugenicist?

Would you take advice from scientists, advisors linked to a eugenicist?

Would you take advice from scientists, taking big and I mean tens of millions big grants from big pharma and bill?

This isn’t just in this country either, check out where and what the bill and melinda gates foundation is linked too.

Heres a clue the worlds second biggest contributer to the world health organisation who declared this pandemic is……… correct its bill.

Follow bill, you’ll find his friends and links are quite scary.

David Meredith
David Meredith
May 30, 2020 11:38 AM
Reply to  Mikeb

Glad someone is highlighting this. I mean what on earth is going on when there are so many conflicts of interest linked in with SAGE? How can we have a situation where we have Pharmaceutical Giants advising Governments and not be forcing the Government to account for the conflict of interest? Of course they will claim that there is no choice but to use private companies to produce vaccines. What people don’t realize is that the vaccine drive for this Covid virus (or SARS-COV2) is really about Monopolization of the Gobal Health system by Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation, GAVi, ID2020. The big idea is population control by medical control and digital ID (quantum dot tattoo). Hopefully the dumb lemming sheeple masses will wake up instead of pleading with our governments to have us locked up until we can be pumped with toxins, tagged and controlled by the Global Elite.

Norbertrand
Norbertrand
Jun 1, 2020 11:30 AM
Reply to  Mikeb

Now that Trump is removing any US involvement with the W.H.O. Billy Boy will take the number 1 spot.
https://www.statnews.com/2020/05/29/trump-us-terminate-who-relationship/

Norbertrand
Norbertrand
Jun 1, 2020 11:35 AM
Reply to  Mikeb

For a complete overview of Bill and his machinations watch the excellent 4 part series by James Corbett @ http://www.corbettreport.com

Paul
Paul
May 30, 2020 10:44 AM

If we go back to February the science told us that 80% off people who caught this virus would have mild or no symptoms, the majority of others would have a mild sickness etc

What exactly is this based on?
Can anyone review this case study or how they reached these conclusions?

What evidence has been produced that this virus is so easily transmissible?

Why would you socially distance from someone who just might be sick?

What science shows everyone should keep 2 metres apart from everyone else even if they might not be sick?

Has the science done case studies, risk assessment of this? Where can we view this?

We have been told to stay indoors for over 2 months but now the science says the virus doesn’t spread outdoors.

We can meet 6 people outdoors but not 7. Has the science produced any relevant data on how they made this conclusion?

We can sit on an aeroplane or work in a fast food outlet where social distancing is impossible but can’t visit family in another household. Again have the science explained how they reached this conclusion?

We are being scaremongered into believing a 2nd wave is coming. Has the science explained why?

Why have countries such as Germany, Denmark, Austria, Switzerland who eased their lockdowns over a month ago, not experienced 2nd waves?

Why has Sweden, Belarus, Taiwan, Vietnam, Thailand and several states in USA who imposed no lockdown not experiencing a first wave never mind 2nd waves?

What data are Sage looking at? Why are they ignoring what’s going on in the rest of the world?
Why do they never explain why they reach their conclusions?

All of this makes you ask- who are these scientists? What’s their agenda? Who’s funding them?
Are they impartial?

To highlight Witty and Vallance in particular- how can scientists who sit on the UK vaccine board and have inextricable links with big pharma be providing independent scientific advice?

These are the same people who point blankly ignore Vitamins and Nutrients and say a vaccine is the only way out.

Sounds like a massive conflict of interest.

David Meredith
David Meredith
May 30, 2020 11:41 AM
Reply to  Paul

Extremely good questions you have! You can read my answer to Mikeb above to see my take on the issues.

JudyJ
JudyJ
May 30, 2020 12:09 PM
Reply to  Paul

Paul

Excellent summary.

With regard to SAGE, you might be interested to listen to an interview with Sir Ian Boyd on the BBC Coronavirus Newscast. Laura Kuenssberg asks him for his thoughts on the use of the term “the science”. He states that he doesn’t approve of the term, his reasons being that there is often not a consensus amongst scientists even after much debate and discussion. Without stating specifics, he very much indicates that there were issues discussed within SAGE on which it was impossible to reach agreement. When this happened “Ministers were advised of divergent views and had to decide for themselves which approach to take”. I took his remarks to be pushback against the Government’s constant iteration, with the aim of covering their backs, that they are ‘following the science’.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p08dvm0p

You may also be aware that one of the first requests made by the legal team representing businessman Simon Dolan in his judicial review case against the Government’s lockdown policy was that the minutes of the SAGE Committee meetings should be made public. The Government almost immediately refused this request, begging many questions.

michael canning
michael canning
May 30, 2020 12:59 PM
Reply to  Paul

We were told that Covid 19 would sweep through the Middle East countries with large
refugee populations as the truly wretched conditions in the camps rendered them
totally defenseless.
The TOTAL DEATHS TO DATE in the following countries swamped by refugees are :

Iraq 179
Lebanon 26
Jordan 9
Syria 4
Palestine 3

A grand total of 221. That is the number of children that will die die due to malnutrition worldwide in the next 20 MINUTES .

Steve Hayes
Steve Hayes
May 30, 2020 1:05 PM

Is it not revealing that such perspective is not provided by the corporate media so called journalists?

Reg
Reg
May 30, 2020 3:48 PM
Reply to  Steve Hayes

Shows you all this is theatre. There are still morons who believe in it and have given up all fight. They deserve to rot in hell.

Binra
Binra
May 30, 2020 1:25 PM
Reply to  Paul

It was a novel virus. And operates as a conceit. We invest emotionally by reaction and they redraw their ‘science’ to plausible legal deniability.
You know there is no consistent or solid science in it – and yet our reaction is to use science to appeal or convince it.

Follow the evidence!
And use science to test the evidence.

Maintaining the appearances of diversion and deceit is part and parcel of profiting by them.
Psyops are not operating from a true foundation, but seek to hide or divert in devices that delay the uncovering of NO foundation. Because this is a collective will, power is given to keep unthinkable or overwhelming fear at bay.

I don’t see others as being knowing complicit in the whole – excepting through their own narrative distortions. Fear operates an invisible hand. Invested allegiance in fear as Protector, takes on the ‘religion of sacrifice’ that fear demands.

Human as incentivised lab-rat is being played out as systemic control.
These ideas replace by extending the guilted mess of individual freedom.

The contraction to regain control and maintain possession works a death wish or regression to Unconsciousness, as
What is called for is a qualitative shift of priority – not a quantitative blood letting by ruse of trojan ploy. Compression has to draw on true priorities by which to release the baggage. But much of our ‘Economy’ is baggage – or parasitic burden – thriving on conflicts and interest.

We meet ‘Simon Says’, it is a dictate – that has acquired vertical control of the institutional bases for social organisation. It is not the Noble Lie, but the necessary, craven and debased lie – that must be fronted our by crisis actors pretending top represent our interests. Yet if that is power, then it glories in its own projected ‘hindsight’ to deny the humanity of the sacrificed as a weakness in the face of a moral duty to undertake a necessary evil etc and etc.

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
May 31, 2020 12:18 AM
Reply to  Paul

You really need to drop Sweden off your list. Still the sixth highest per capita death-toll, far ahead of seventh, and catching up with fifth, France.

Admin1
Admin
Admin1
May 31, 2020 1:08 AM

But France has a severe lockdown and still has worse numbers than Sweden?

Besides with the ridiculous way COVID19 is diagnosed and the potential for false positive PCRs all the numbers ultimately tell us is how eager the health authorities in different countries are to ‘find’ COVID19 cases

Paul
Paul
May 31, 2020 8:33 AM

Then why has Sweden no excess mortality year to date?
In fact their mortality year to date is the same as the last ten years.

TFS
TFS
May 30, 2020 10:32 AM

I think you have missed the Elephant in the room.

Since 2008 the Financial Crisis that wasn’t resolved got further out of hand and made many wonder how they were going to explain/apportion blame for the ending of the International Financial Ponziopoly Scheme?

Brexiteers were on the cards until Covid-19 came along.

Why not jump on the band wagon and finger ‘Covid-19’ as a Patsy for the ongoing bank bailouts and for throwing a Economy based on fiction, under a bus.

TFS
TFS
May 30, 2020 10:43 AM
Reply to  TFS

Of course, lest not forget the NEW Slavery…………..Debt Slavery (Individual and State).

No doubt the IMF and all International Western lead Banks are smiling as the new slave masters take more and more people and governments into chains.

Francis Lee
Francis Lee
May 30, 2020 10:07 AM

”These tactics have been used prior to every war and during every crisis, only for the narrative to later collapse.”

Yes, and at the present time every crackpot excuse is being made to blame China for the situation. The propaganda machine is cranked up to warlike, manic levels, producing the required result of collective hysteria. Dissenting voices are pushed into the margins and given short-shrift being described as ‘traitors’ ‘conspiracy theorists’ ‘anti-semites’ all in the pay of the enemy de jour.

Nothing new here. Just the same old thought control machine rolled-out by the PTB when necessary. All of it very reminiscent of the ‘Two Minutes Hate’ in Orwell’s 1984. It was/is a bit like a sporting event. In the first row were the inner-party members, kitted-out in their black boiler suits with deadpan expressions on their faces. Seated behind them were the more numerous fanatical outer-party members in their blue boiler-suits with their faces contorted with hatred as the face of Immanuel Goldstein, the current enemy, was flashed on the huge screen. As for the proles, they were absent from the whole performance.

The backbone of the regime was/is the outer-party, who in everyday life consisted of the managerial-political class of MPs, ‘journalists’, middle-ranking state bureaucrats, and various other strata some of whom might not have believed a word of it, but were simply on the make. The average Blairite MP, member of ‘Labour Friends of Israel’ comes to mind. (Of course if any aspiring Labour MP wants to ‘get on’ in the party, membership of the LFI is more or less compulsory.)

This careerist riff-raff is of course entrenched in all societies, in all countries being pretty much universal.

”Corruption is powerful in the world: talent is scarce. So corruption is the instrument of swarming mediocrity.”

(Honore De Balzac – Pere Goriot). It is ubiquitous, our society, like all societies is saturated with it.

The outer-party member thus either swallows this BS with alacrity, or, in more instrumental terms is simply looking for personal advancement.

Will it ever change?
Don’t ask me.

snuffleupagus
snuffleupagus
May 30, 2020 1:56 PM
Reply to  Francis Lee

bob
bob
May 30, 2020 10:01 AM

british intelligence

we’ve won the war

breweriana
breweriana
May 30, 2020 9:53 AM

“a look at their previous record on a whole range of important issues will show they’ve been wrong.”
They were not ‘wrong’ – they were lying. About WMD for example.

It’s not the lie that is the problem; the problem is once a lie has been told, how can anyone ever trust the speaker of that lie again?

“Oh, but it’s different this time, really it is, trust us, really bad things are happening in (insert their enemy of the day here).”

And the public fall for it, every, single, time.

Joerg
Joerg
May 30, 2020 9:50 AM

I don’ believe that the governments, which ordered these lock-downs dealt so only because they were “driven by blind panic“.
Already this massive censorship shows that there is a mighty aganda .

Let’s take what I believe is on goal (of several others) of this “agenda”: The Demonetarisation
It was only yesterday that video of talk show man Jimmy Kimmel. and and I was shocked how he perfidiously slips in propaganda for the Demonetarisation.
Look for yourself at 1:40 and 6:30

“JIMMY KIMMEL’S QUARANTINE MONOLOGUE” –

Moneycircus
Moneycircus
May 30, 2020 10:20 AM
Reply to  Joerg

“And we protected the NHS.” FinMin Sunak gives no figures on what the NHS has done nor how it has contributed to overcoming the Covid event. Am I missing something?
“No British government, Labour or Conservative, has ever done anything like this.” That much is true.

Zigurat
Zigurat
May 30, 2020 11:36 AM
Reply to  Joerg

When the media opinion crafters say:

Cash is like poison now

they mean it.

Cash is poison to the track-n-trace surveillance state. It is a poison to the digitised matrix pod society they are building. It is a poison because it allows humans to transact on their own basis, outside of the aegis of central control. I’m no cash evangelist, as modern “cash” is a printed by fiat construct which enables the slavery of the great many to the decisions of a very few. But the concept of a transactional medium outside of direct surveillance & control is preferable to me compared to a Bank of England funcoin based on the blockchain [so it must be good right?] which doesn’t even require tangible money to be printed / minted.

There is a war on cash going on. India banned big bills, forcing mobsters to launder their cash into other means. No wonder gold is booming!
[Not that there’s any evidence that cash actually carries the virus but] Why can’t we just wipe down the cash? …

I note the section at the end of his piece where he uses sleight of hand to withhold the penny. I’m sure there’s a complex metaphor in there for the off-g crowd to distill…

Steve Hayes
Steve Hayes
May 30, 2020 9:12 AM

This morning the BBC is assiduously pushing the notion that the government is “easing the lockdown” too early and is doing this contrary to “the science.” Yet, in all the many hours the BBC has devoted to the coronavirus, with all the constant references to “the science”, not once has the BBC bothered to present any actual scientific evidence about this virus and the “lockdown” measures. For example, not one empirical study showing the efficacy of the two metre social distancing rule has even been referred to, let alone subjected to critical analysis and evaluation. There is, of course, a very good reason for this sea of silence in the amidst of all the sound and fury: and that is, there is no such scientific evidence.

The adoption of the “lockdown” measures was nothing more than a case of collective madness, induced by hysterical fear-mongering. If this does not strike you as obvious, I would simply suggest you compare how we have responded to comparable threats in the past. The 1957 flu pandemic is an obvious comparator. There was no hysteria, no fear-mongering, and no lockdown. People just stoically got on with their lives.

johny conspiranoid
johny conspiranoid
May 30, 2020 11:10 AM
Reply to  Steve Hayes

“induced by hysterical fear-mongering” with an agenda.

Steve Hayes
Steve Hayes
May 30, 2020 11:23 AM

Agenda noun list of items to be discussed at a formal meeting.

David Meredith
David Meredith
May 30, 2020 11:48 AM
Reply to  Steve Hayes

This is an excellent comment. I think the BBC should read it to help them sober up and start using proper serious investigative journalism to get to the truth about these issues which can make or break an economy.

Steve Hayes
Steve Hayes
May 30, 2020 12:05 PM
Reply to  David Meredith

David, I am afraid the BBC is beyond redemption. Not only is it a propaganda organisation, it is completely committed to being so, and has always recruited people on the basis that they share its values. The only solution to the problem is the disestablishment of the BBC and the abolition of the television licence. If the BBC is as good as it claims to be, it will thrive in the market place. If, however, it is as bad as I think it is, it will whither and die.

David Meredith
David Meredith
May 30, 2020 12:13 PM
Reply to  Steve Hayes

Unfortunately, I have to agree with you!

bob
bob
May 30, 2020 8:30 AM

by the way Kevin – there is no pandemic – show me the evidence that there is….?

Ginette Craig
Ginette Craig
May 30, 2020 8:29 AM

Here we go again! BBC website’s main news headlines this morning. You do know we will never fully get out of this lock up. Especially if the BBC have their way.

Coronavirus: Risk in UK lockdown easing too soon, warn scientists – Prof Edmunds, from the London School of Tropical Hygiene and Medicine and a member of Sage, said the levels of the coronavirus were still “very high” and many scientists would rather the number of cases declined before measures were relaxed.

Sir Jeremy Farrar, director of the Wellcome Trust and a member of Sage, said on Twitter that Covid-19 is “spreading too fast to lift lockdown in England” and NHS test and trace “has to be fully working and infection rates have to be lower”.

Reg
Reg
May 30, 2020 8:52 AM
Reply to  Ginette Craig

I would be happy to see the BBC wiped off the face of the earth.

Edwige
Edwige
May 30, 2020 9:25 AM
Reply to  Reg

I’m waiting for the local charity shop to re-open so I can give my TV away.

bob
bob
May 30, 2020 10:36 AM
Reply to  Edwige

i’ve got a 65″ monitor now :0)

David Meredith
David Meredith
May 30, 2020 11:50 AM
Reply to  Edwige

I’ll buy it off you, I only watch Columbo and Wheeler Dealers.

beer
beer
May 30, 2020 2:04 PM
Reply to  David Meredith

Columbo rocks 😀

Ginette Craig
Ginette Craig
May 30, 2020 9:44 AM
Reply to  Reg

Me too Reg. I only look at the headlines each day to see what brainwashing tactics they have come up with next, and try to expose it. Of course the sun is shining and people are going to go out and enjoy themselves this weekend. Covid will subsequently go through the roof, and we will all be put back into our hutches again. Enjoy the sunshine everyone anyway.

Gwyn
Gwyn
May 30, 2020 10:01 AM
Reply to  Reg

Can we watch it burn to the ground before it gets wiped off the face of the earth? Party time!

I’m happy to invest in large amounts of booze for such a happy occasion.

Frances
Frances
May 30, 2020 12:19 PM
Reply to  Ginette Craig

Doesn’t Wellcome fund the Imperial College London along with Bill Gates Foundation.

Reg
Reg
May 30, 2020 3:49 PM
Reply to  Frances

Without even checking it out, let’s say “Yes!”

Moneycircus
Moneycircus
May 30, 2020 7:47 AM

Good article on the veneration of experts and our right, nay, neigh! our duty to buck like a horse and throw them off.

Put yourself for a moment inside this head: ‘I have no fixed points of reference. I know wealth is illusory. My rent or the value of a house depends on TV property shows keeping the people geared up on paper profits from a stock market that floats on central bank funny money. How to spend it? Perchance to dream. Reaction video of my neighbors watching me in a brand new car. When life gets rough, the tough go shopping. Tomorrow belongs to me. It’s my life. People try to put us down. Talking ’bout my generation. From the nipple to the bottle never satisfied.’

The mantra permeates from the advertising poster into every corner of popular culture (why aren’t there songs about scientists?). We are sold this way of thinking with the jukebox jam, TV gunk and censored social media bubble gum for the brain every single day.

Neil deGrasse Tyson sells science the same way Edward Bernays sold tobacco: Here are these great celebrity minds. They smoke. Doesn’t everyone? It’s a consensus. Become part of it or your friends will laugh at you. Got a niggling concern about cancer? What are you, an expert? Here are some doctors who smoke.

Tyson: “What I will say of this virus is this. We are in the middle of a massive experiment: WILL people LISTEN to scientists? In this case referring to medical professionals.” Colbert: “Saying Anthony Fauci?” Tyson: “For example. These are warnings issued by scientists for our own good.” They are right because they are scientists. The science is settled. There is a consensus… and you’d better be part of it or your friends may laugh.

As Kevin Smith’s article shows, that is not how science works and we, humble you and me, have a DUTY to challenge experts, scientists and government on issues that concern the daily living of our own lives.

Experts say… surveys suggest… nine out of 10 cats prefer… Luckies because they’re less irritating to the throat but more doctors smoke Camels than any other cigarette. https://www.history.com/news/cigarette-ads-doctors-smoking-endorsement

When did “trust the expert” become the mantra of our age? It is the “Internet answer”, the parting shot to every debate. The appeal to experts is, however, entirely a marketing technique. It was developed by Edward Bernays, Sigmund Freud’s nephew and author of Propaganda. Far from thoughtful or scientific it’s a tactic to bamboozle you (bamboozle: trickery, flattery, hoodwink, mystify, confound).

Trust the expert is nothing more than a sales pitch dating from the 1920s when over-production meant companies needed advertising to make people buy the excess products that they didn’t want (advertising: to show people celebrities, to remind them they don’t look like celebrities, to sell them a product claiming to make them look like celebrities).

Why are people afraid to think for themselves? Because they live in a dream state: Nobody’s gonna tell me what to do but I won’t be thinking for myself. I will argue till pigs fly for my refund in the store, for my kids in the school — but the basis for that argument, well, I just make it up as I go along. What matters is Emotion. Repetition. Persistence. The techniques of the bamboozle. Breast-fed to me by reality TV.

It’s not ignorance. Intelligent people, as many people have remarked through this crisis digest 10 incompatible news stories with their breakfast. Actually the brain is a muscle. If you don’t use it, you won’t stay intelligent for long whatever piece of paper you got from college. That’s OK.. because there’s still ILLUSION. And illusion will carry us through. People appeal to scientism in place of religion. It is faith, hope and charity. Tell me how it’s different? Say it ain’t so.

There is little point in delving into philosophy or theology because that begins with the assumption that people are thinking. What if they’re not? What if they’re driven by psychology and specifically by that branch of psychology called marketing. A century of the self has trained us that opinions can be sold, attitudes adopted, like suits off the peg. Like Pavlov’s dogs they respond to certain words, ‘experts say, surveys prove (which they don’t: surveys only suggest), the consensus tells us’.

To show you who’s boss, the government told you the opposite yesterday then made you change your mind today. Eat eggs, don’t eat eggs. Cholesterol is bad for you. Unless it’s good cholesterol. Potatoes make you fat. Potatoes are roughage. Don’t go in the sun for more than 20 minutes or you’ll risk cancer. Take vitamin D supplements because you didn’t get enough sun. And on and on. Is there one area of public health advice on which the government has not changed its advice by 180 degrees? And you changed your mind as instructed. Spun on a dime.

“Transmission of the virus is far lower outdoors so we can confidently allow more interaction outside,” says Boris Johnson. Err… what about staying indoors so we don’t kill grandma? Wear masks, don’t wear masks. Chloroquine is effective (CDC knew in 2005) chloroquine is not proven (Fauci 2020). Did you spin on a dime?

Lord Sumption warned of tyranny and was immediately portrayed in the British press as a stuffy old judge. Yet he’s an expert on the rights of the citizen by any definition. The media mocked him just as they mocked eminently qualified scientists who said the lockdown was a mistake, that Chloroquine was an available treatment and that a vaccine was unlikely or unnecessary.

You see, the appeal to experts is fake. The media don’t put their faith in science at all — only those experts promoting a government agenda or paid by corporations to sell a survey, in other words, a product. Experts are marketing. The appeal to science can be a simple sales pitch.

People have a DUTY to think for themselves in issues that concern them, their families, their property and their lives. The appeal to experts, to science, to authority is nothing more than laziness. I’m mad as Hell and I’m not going to take this anymore.

More here: https://moneycircus.blogspot.com/2020/05/you-have-duty-to-think-for-yourself.html

ariel
ariel
May 30, 2020 12:46 PM
Reply to  Moneycircus

Of course there are songs about ‘scientists.’ It’s just not ‘mainstream.’
This is always creeping into my oeuvre. I have such a YouTube channel Ariel AZ Alexander. A recent example ‘specifically ‘ is ‘Scientists Say.’ But it creeps into quite a few of them, considering the present circumstances. Although having no publicity at all, at all, my outreach is somewhat limited. And the fact that I have a slight preponderance to educate rather than to merely entertain, as you can get a dose of entrainment anywhere.

bob
bob
May 30, 2020 6:54 AM

Then this generation came, and undid the work of a thousand years in a few weeks. Worse, in a way—they gave away something they had a duty to pass on undamaged to their children. They did not even raise a word of protest. And they did not trade in their birthrights because dragoons cut them down in the fields, or foreign soldiers lounged in the streets with machine pistols, or secret police threatened them with death or labour camps. They did it because they could not be bothered to think or argue or object.” (Hitchens)

https://standpointmag.co.uk/issues/may-june-2020/so-happy-to-be-serfs/

Not only do we have to watch the regime changers – we have to watch the population too!

bob
bob
May 30, 2020 7:14 AM
Reply to  bob

incidentally, I don’t think the lockup will end until ‘everything’ is in place – why else is Boris being so slow and manipulative – this is a truly British coup – time is not of the essence to them – it’s about outcome. It may be a spoof but I saw someone from Weatherspoons showing a media man around pointing out all the changes necessary to go to the pub – anti-social distancing, no money only cards, one person at the bar at a time, screens like in banks etc etc.

this is not about public health this is about daylight public robbery and stealth, a new and better way of ‘living’

ame
ame
May 30, 2020 9:27 AM
Reply to  bob

14 day lowdown temporary measure 69 days ago and temporary law brought in via cloak dagger overnight like which aint temporary

Th e USA PATRIOT ACT, a 363-page, 57,000+ word document to replace the
Constitution, was voted on by people who didn’t read it. 

The C V act brought in 2020 march 23 In U>K across the pond we have
The Coronavirus Aid, Relief, and Economic Security Act also known as
the CARES Act was signed into law on 3/27/2020   

EU the same and other parts of the world in unison they had all theses written
and in unison the acted virtually the same
and idiots think a lone pasty story of WHO or bill gates fault
*We see the same old pattern surfacing: the “lone nut” appearing from nowhere, leaves the murder weapon and a roomful of evidence for the police to show to the public, blanks out and is immediately transported to a government psychiatric facility for a thorazine debriefing and further hypnosis. The “Manchurian candidate” aspect of the assassin was none too subtle.*
after 100’s of the same old psycho drama

this is the same shit and people still falling for it bullshit

*Hoffman Secret Societies and Psychological Warfare

Ginette Craig
Ginette Craig
May 30, 2020 9:48 AM
Reply to  bob

Bob – I don’t think it is a spoof. That’s the way they want it to be. They make out that it’s only going to be for a little while, but it ends up being permanent. Getting rid of cash is a big example.

Dave Patterson
Dave Patterson
May 30, 2020 6:23 AM

good breakdown, the problem is, most of us here know and do this already, the people who would benefit from a reading aren’t interesting in anything challenging their ‘horrible disease we believe in magic amulet to save us!!!!!!!!!!’ masses – nor of course the people pushing the panic who know they are lying abut everything and thus have no interest in logic either …

Willem
Willem
May 30, 2020 6:55 AM
Reply to  Dave Patterson

I see OffG as an oasis where you can lessen your thirst and fill your mind with ideas. The ideas need to be dispersed to the people who believe in the ‘horrible disease’ by word of mouth.

Dave Patterson
Dave Patterson
May 30, 2020 7:32 AM
Reply to  Willem

a friend of mine living in England for a bit when the lockdown was declared has been trying to reach the lemmings by word of mouth bolstered with what we have online, and finding that she is losing friends rather than opening eyes or brains or making converts – this particular heebie-jeebie is very powerful medicine for the koolaid drinkers who have partaken …

Dors
Dors
May 30, 2020 12:45 PM
Reply to  Dave Patterson

Dave, perhaps the following distillation of cognitive science can help

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The situation is the same for me. I test the possibilities cautiously, like a pioneer conqueror of an unhospitable land.

The “meme” above – consider sharing it.

IANA
IANA
May 30, 2020 9:01 AM
Reply to  Willem

The hard part is that you just cannot reach people who believe completely there is high risk killer disease stalking the land. Even then they will urge on caution. If you explain that you have 0.13 chance of only CATCHING the disease let alone the death rate they think you are mad.

Ginette Craig
Ginette Craig
May 30, 2020 9:58 AM
Reply to  Willem

Willem – OffG is a breath of fresh air. Have just donated to the cause. I am an old bird with only a small pension, but I will give my every penny to expose the lies and manipulation that is going on in this World. I told my MP “If I am wrong about this, I will go back under the stone from which I crawled from”. Very happy to be proved wrong, but even happier to be proved right. Let us see what transpires in the coming months.

Reg
Reg
May 30, 2020 4:16 AM

Dr Shiva on fire. Superb.

Moneycircus
Moneycircus
May 30, 2020 6:01 AM
Reply to  Reg

I agree with Dr Shiva that oligarchy and corruption is incompatible with jobs and wealth for the masses. Censorship and corruption kills innovation, invention and small business. You only get banks and lawyers extorting wealth form the system and feeding it down to equally lazy and corrupt employees. I saw that myself working for 10 years in ex-Communist countries which still struggle with a legacy of corruption. (To understand the oligarchic economy I recommend David Graeber’s Bullshit Jobs because it happens in the West, too).
All the people supporting Twitter and Facebook and Google as they censor non-SJW opinion need to know this won’t succeed in promoting a just society with adequate living standards. Unless you are sucking from the Google teat – and that’s so profitable because it is an artificial monopoly – you are likely to be among the 70% of Americans who have less than $1,000 available for emergencies, including 40% who don’t have $400. And that was BC (Before corona virus).

Willem
Willem
May 30, 2020 6:58 AM
Reply to  Moneycircus

‘ And that was BC (Before corona virus).’

Nice find!

Moneycircus
Moneycircus
May 30, 2020 7:08 AM
Reply to  Moneycircus

Brilliant analysis here, enjoyed it especially from @40 minutes. This guy has a claim to having invented email. Whether you go with that or not, his demolition of the Military Industrial Cabal is devastating.
Why is Elon Musk promoted as if he is the only bloody inventor… evah? Because it CENTRALIZES invention in the hands of the Military Industrial Complex and the liberal technocratic elite (Musk’s grandfather was Joshua Haldeman, founder of Technocracy Inc). And that centralizes all those lovely government subsidies ($5 billion to Elon) in the hands of the MIC and the liberal aristocracy.
War brings good things to life – the idea justifies war, doesn’t it? The myth that only Big Military Industry can make things like email, social media, online shopping (Yes, Bezos is from a DARPA-military family)… keeps an elite in control and neutralizes competition.
If inventions could come from anywhere … from the grass roots… that would LOWER the cost of invention. But for that, you’d have to give credit where it’s due. If an Indian-America kid invented email…. (Dr Shiva’s not shy any more after facing the wrath of the liberal cabal)… and we acknowledge Philo Farnsworth’s invention of television… that would mean there are a lot of bright kids out there. And not one Google, a thousand Googles, a thousand Facebooks. The elite says you can only have one Mark Zuckerberg, one Bill Gates… even though he stole his code.
Racism is not only directed at people of color, Dr Shiva says. Racism is a way of keeping everybody in their box. A blonde must be dumb, a southerner must be a Klansman. This racism is perpetuated by the elite, by the universities, by both parties, to reduce wages, while we in our little boxes are fighting among ourselves.
The left imposes regulations so that the right can create monopolies. Centralizing food, centralizing genetic engineering… Brilliant. The result is that AC, after corona virus, 600 billionaires have increased their wealth by $400 billion during the pandemic. BC there were 614 billionaires. AC there are another 16 billionaires added.

https://www.theverge.com/2012/6/13/3082157/noam-chomsky-shiva-ayyadurai-email-inventor

Reg
Reg
May 30, 2020 7:28 AM
Reply to  Moneycircus

Shiva actually has proof that he invented email. That guy from Raytheon doesn’t. He only has a story. But in this fake world that we live in, where our perceptions and consciousness are governed by special interests and myths take the place of reality, we are taught to destroy lives by denying the blood, sweat and tears of certain people. These “uppity” folks have to be put in their place. This is the evil that is the caste system and, yes, it exists in the West too. Shiva doesn’t say it in those words but the allusion is there in his fiery words.

Igor
Igor
May 30, 2020 3:15 AM

The defining moment for me, that made it obvious that it was a con job, was when celebrities began announcing they were positive and they had placed themselves in social isolation.
First Hollywood celebs then political celebs.
Get on board the Panic Express! Don’t be left behind!

Reg
Reg
May 30, 2020 7:16 AM
Reply to  Igor

Madonna in her bathtub was a particularly low point in Western culture.

sunset
sunset
May 30, 2020 2:44 AM

Another *deep state* propaganda article that carries only one payload- believe in the false flag.

Quote:
Today, in the background of the risk of world conflict and threat to health and our way of life arising from Covid-19
Unquote

The headline is always the test. This piece of control propaganda is crude in the extreme. It is, of course, aimed at the type one finds on sites like this one.

Britain, France, Germany and the USA shipped tens of billions of dollars of arms from ex-Soviet nations to wahhabi terror gangs led by ex-Saddam officers trained and recruited in Tony Blair’s Iraq prisons after his invasion. This fact is beyond dispute- but you would not know that when reading an author like Smith. Smith’s job is to ensure the impression that most of the deep state talking points are valid, but maybe a little incorrect.

Smith is a propagandist designed to ensure sheeple always see things in terms of shades of grey, never black and white. The monsters are never *evil*, just ‘mistaken’ or ‘foolish’ or ‘incompetent’.

The revealed truth of Blair’s planning for his invasion of Iraq, or the revelations of Snowden’s articles on the extent of the UK/USA’s spying on the entire Human race never impact his arguments. From him, 9/11 was *not* a false-flag, but criminal negligence by the US gov in allowing saudis to attack.

Hell will freeze over before an agent like Smith sez “end the SARS2 police state today”. Hell will freeze over before Smith calls Team Blair *evil*.

Game theory makes it all too easy to spot the assets of the intelligence agencies. There are rules as to what these people can and cannot say to earn ‘trust’. The reason is simple. If they go too far, they actually do harm to their master’s cause- which is self-defeating. They exist to control, to steer, to distract, to demoralise (while making idiots think they are offering ‘leadership’).

Did you know that low level agents, when infiltrating local political groups, are trained to always offer their services as *drivers*? Remember those recent scandals with undercover police agents having sexual affairs with ‘protestors’- those police agents were always the drivers taking people to their protests.

Did you know that in the UK, military intelligence has its equivalent to the Territorial Army? Civvies recruited to do local intelligence work on the side. And they are instructed to act as drivers to the local hunt sabs and the like. But today, with the net, many of them are asked to write colums instead that pretend to be on our side, but contain the careful use of command and control tactics.

There is good reason why, recently, certain people here attacked UK Column with such persistant viciousness. The bad guys hide mostly in the flabby ‘left’ anti-establishment outlets, where the followers tend to be the people with the poorest skills in spotting standard psy-op tactics.

PS if Smith’s phrase “Lord Sumption is right” doesn’t activate your red-flag warning system, you may as well go back to reading The Guardian.

Moneycircus
Moneycircus
May 30, 2020 5:10 AM
Reply to  sunset

Sumption is just setting the boundaries to the debate. It calms the herd. ‘Someone has spoken up for our liberties. About time too’. Now keep cowering and carry on.
What Sumption said is right. I don’t see any reason to fault him. At the same time, I know that he is playing a role.

ame
ame
May 30, 2020 12:06 PM
Reply to  sunset

Did you know that in the UK, military intelligence has its equivalent to the Territorial Army? Civvies recruited to do local intelligence work on the side.
yer called them out there the alt right clowns mostly alt right From what i have seen
Internationale nationalists on you tube singing from the hymen sheet of of what you talk about.getting paid nice money via patroen also some of the failed conspiracy theorists who you quote like redice unslaved early days they all talk blair like you and fabian society you missed russale brand i am sure he will pop up in your posts soon with blair the lone pasey there was bush another pasty the lone gunman tried and tested on the window llicker who fool for it all the time like you. yer the person in the government sweat seat of PM< or president is totally in control this is aimed at Window lickers simpleton or both. I see alt left just as controlled. brian gerrish once told his small fanbse back in 2011 and it still on you tube he saw ufos coming from the sea before he woke up. now he blames bojo from UFO to bojo that is some dropped in intelligence

We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.” – Benjamin Franklin

Edward snowden told us what….? what any local puff dealer could tell us this back in the 70’s . wow your phone is being listen to even the tv has ther tek is watching you, fucking hell what a intelligentsia officer this is aimed a low iq people who usually go to uni thinking there educate vote and watch joe rogan.
i would also say still vote or believe in the voting ritual system like closets gays they would even run out and get the vaccine JUST in case.

any real marketing PR darling from the 80/90 even the sluts and city era of 2000 would tell you that your information data is worth it weight in gold HOW else did clubs get your information and send you invites.? (ow yer the council tax data base which anyone can buy) how else did debt collection agency find you? via council tax, same retards are told sold the council tax and polling register voting register helps your credit rate score. !! that easy so, of course CV19 isnt going to be hard to enforce on mind sets like that.

your credit rate score why no one on the left or right or above even mentioning this? in who why how this is done and again why

Your hero AJ also said 911 kind of was inside job, then he changed it to it was towel heads just before trump got into selection then next year it will be the liberals or china who did it. he also used to cut of people on air people saying it was Israel. AJ the source of massive disinformation for you a source of good information. AJ and the alt right says cv19 was xchina and russia. aimed at simpletons donate now and they do donate for more of this crap./

That aside sunset your very well read up and it is easy to want a form of Armageddon on the simpleton or window lickers now you got tiny bit of gnosis

maybe look at Blair from a metaphysical angle what iraq iran Persia actual is and this fight goes back longer than fuckign blair or reagan or any opf the other clowns

your starting to sound disinfo disinformed your self playing a role.

snuffleupagus
snuffleupagus
May 30, 2020 1:23 PM
Reply to  sunset

Blair’s planning for his invasion of Iraq

Game theory makes it all too easy to spot the assets of the intelligence agencies.

yes, it’s quite clear that you’re an asset of the CIA, assigned to disappear the overwhelming responsibility of the US government for the Iraq war.

although the zionists were also heavily involved in that (who pulls Blair’s strings?), so it’s possible that you’re actually a Mossad asset.

snuffleupagus
snuffleupagus
May 30, 2020 1:53 AM

In the last 30 years, there have been many big events which have been questioned. Iraq is the classic example of where a relative few questioning the pretext of that invasion (Weapons of Mass Destruction — WMDs) were insulted and smeared but later vindicated.

yes, surely there’s never been another case where the Official Story diverged so completely from objective reality, with such disastrous consequences.

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sunset
sunset
May 30, 2020 2:12 AM
Reply to  snuffleupagus

Yet examine all the ‘heroes’ of the ‘anti-establishment’ movement, like Chomsky, Galloway, Craig Murray, the Saker etc, and they all tell you that you are mad if you do not believe Tony Blair’s official description of what happened on 9/11. Alex Jones never said 9/11 was a false-flag.

This is how dumb the sheeple and chattering classes are- even when atoms from these two groups *think* themselves awake, they support Deep State monsters, simply cos these Deep State monsters use that oh-so-clever trick of lying about who they are and what they really represent. All a Chomsky or Galloway or Benn has to do is ‘preach to the choir’, and morons fall at their feet.

But you can test a so-called enemy of the establishment by checking what they tell you to believe, for their controllers do *not* allow them to push certain truthes. The 9/11 test is perfect. And *all* your heroes fail the 9/11 test.

WTC7 is interesting. Just after 9/11, indy demolition experts from all over the world contacted the US government to tell them that WTC7 was definitely a controlled demolition, and that therefore somehow the terrorists had infiltrated NY to a quite astonishing degree. But then the US government reassured the well-meaning experts that WTC7 was definitely *not* a controlled demo, at which moment the indy experts understood the US gov itself was responsible for 9/11- and given their vulnerable position immediately understood they were to keep silent or else.

Demolition companies do not and cannot work without gov permits- and much of their work is given to them directly or indirectly by governments. No great ‘conspiracy’ is needed to silence expert voices when said experts ruin their lives by speaking out.

America has conducted many thousands of military operations that murdered more people than died on 9/11. For less strategic benefit. The Americans that carried out 9/11 didn’t even think twice. It was for them a no-brainer. And they were right- sadly.

Moneycircus
Moneycircus
May 30, 2020 5:02 AM
Reply to  sunset

“All a Chomsky or Galloway or Benn has to do is preach to the choir” — Each was given a pulpit, with choir stalls erected on each side for the singing of praise, with canned applause from the speakers… until the pews began to attract a congregation.

snuffleupagus
snuffleupagus
May 30, 2020 7:34 AM
Reply to  sunset

examine all the ‘heroes’ of the ‘anti-establishment’ movement, like Chomsky, Galloway, Craig Murray, the Saker etc, and they all tell you that you are mad if you do not believe Tony Blair’s official description of what happened on 9/11.

that’s at least the second time you’ve tried to sell that lie.

http://thesaker.is/the-911-truth-movement-15-years-later-where-do-we-stand/

the official description of what happened on 9/11 is a product of the US government, not Tony Blair, so your fixation with him is itself disinformational.

Alex Jones never said 9/11 was a false-flag.

a lot of people think that Alex Jones is a disinfo operative, but apparently, so are you.

https://isgp-studies.com/alex-jones-of-infowars-is-cia-army-disinformation

1&onlybillyshears
1&onlybillyshears
May 30, 2020 8:09 AM
Reply to  sunset

Cannot have been controlled demolition as shown by Dr Judy Wood in ‘where did the towers go?’ due to the evidence of “dustification” “fires without heat” and so on, based on tons of first hand evidence ie photographs and eye witness accounts. Is ‘controlled demolition’ a ‘controlled opposition’? Sure seems like it.

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
May 30, 2020 9:55 AM

Secret death rays is a device designed to discredit the real and obvious to the naked eye evidence of controlled demolition. Next step is towards the Flat Earth hypothesis.

1&onlybillyshears
1&onlybillyshears
May 30, 2020 2:54 PM

“secret death rays”? Really? You have a citation Dr Wood has said this? Cite now please.
“the flat earth hypothesis” is an oxymoron, it isn’t a cause and effect question, not falsifiable by experimentation.

Admin1
Admin
Admin1
May 30, 2020 3:39 PM

Wood endorses the work of John Hutchison – the guy who does stop motion fakery to pretend he has discovered some sort of magical energy source but refuses to write any of it up or do real experiments.

1&onlybillyshears
1&onlybillyshears
May 30, 2020 7:26 PM
Reply to  Admin1

Can you not find fault with the evidence presented in the book and opt instead for a guilt by association fallacious argument? Have you read it?

jaguarpig
jaguarpig
May 30, 2020 11:07 AM

WTC7 went down in a standard controlled demo, twin towers didn’t as Dr Wood alluded to.

Steve Hayes
Steve Hayes
May 30, 2020 4:09 PM
Reply to  jaguarpig

The BBC reported the collapse of WTC7 before it collapsed.

jaguarpig
jaguarpig
May 30, 2020 5:57 PM
Reply to  Steve Hayes

They did you could see 7 right behind her. Think all the Enron records were stored there as well.

1&onlybillyshears
1&onlybillyshears
May 30, 2020 7:27 PM
Reply to  jaguarpig

The lack of seismic effect from WTC7 discounts this conclusion.

jaguarpig
jaguarpig
May 30, 2020 9:28 PM

Discounts what? It just dropped down

1&onlybillyshears
1&onlybillyshears
May 30, 2020 9:58 PM
Reply to  jaguarpig

And when it hit the ground it *should* have recorded a seismic event in proportion to its mass. It did not – this is evidence to show that it cannot have been brought down in a conventional way:

“the seismographic magnitude of each WTC tower “collapse” should have registered as 3.8 or greater on the Richter scale if each tower slammed to the ground so quickly. In comparison, the much smaller, mostly hollow Seattle Kingdome registered as 2.3 magnitude on the Richter scale as it hit the ground when it was demolished. The WTC towers were many times larger than the Seattle Kingdome, so why did the seismic activity from the rapid destruction of WTC1, WTC2, and WTC7 only register as 2.3, 2.1, and 0.6 magnitude on the Richter scale (respectively)?

“WTC7 rubble pile after the 9/11 attacks, located just across the street from the main WTC complex. This large 47-story building was destroyed in near perfect fashion, “collapsing” into its very own footprint, despite never being ‘hit by an airplane’. WTC7 left a bigger rubble pile than the twin towers (WTC1 & 2) because it was not completely pulverized.”

“WTC7 underwent a ‘lathering up’ process prior to its destruction, similar to WTC1. Large quantities of dust spontaneously poured from virtually the entire south face of the building before it was finally destroyed. The office fires in WTC7 were contained to only a few floors. This dust / ‘lather’ is clearly not smoke from those small office fires. This process was captured on video, and a link to some of that video recording is included below. This is one of the many pieces of forensic evidence from 9/11 that are not explained by thermal or kinetic forces of any kind (e.g. airplanes, jet fuel, explosives, thermite, nuclear bombs).”

https://www.facebook.com/drjudywood/photos/a.108769095854392/461506103914021/?type=3

Oh but wait, she “endorses” the work of John Hutchison so all the above stone cold factual evidence must be instantly rejected in favour of a fairytale about controlled demolition.
Before reading this work I also assumed the ‘controlled demolition’ story was true, being more credible than hijacked planes. Then I ended up looking rather silly as it became clear the demolition narrative fails to explain the empirical evidence – which is I suppose the purpose of it – to discredit opposition narratives while covering up evidence of novel advanced weaponry.

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
Jun 1, 2020 9:57 AM
Reply to  jaguarpig

Yes they dis-straight down at gravitational acceleration, give or take. Wood, in my opinion, is plainly someone tasked with discrediting REAL explanations of 9/11 that deviate from the official ‘laugh’.

1&onlybillyshears
1&onlybillyshears
Jun 1, 2020 4:00 PM

That is only possible with one section free falling without being impeded by lower sections. Its impossible and in any case the seismic activity would still be far higher than recorded.
I have read the ‘official opposition’ ie controlled demolition/fresh inquiry narrative where a new inquiry would serve only to drag the whole thing out for more decades and muddy waters, and Dr Judy Wood. There is no competition, Wood is entirely consistent with ALL the available evidence. It is unquestionably correct. This is why opponents rely on censorship or tricks like ‘Hutchison is unreliable’.

Elrin
Elrin
May 30, 2020 9:51 AM
Reply to  sunset

I like to apply the holocaust test myself. That’s a pretty isolating tactic though.

Gezzah Potts
Gezzah Potts
May 30, 2020 2:46 PM
Reply to  sunset

Chomsky is a gatekeeper. He is a sheepherder for the Democrats despite supposedly being an Anarchist.
Er, arn’t Anarchists meant to be against voting? Same with Galloway, tho his rhetoric has fooled quite a lot of people.
Same with Democracy Now and Mz Goodman, same with the whole Jacobin – Alternet – Nation crowd.
A lot of gatekeepers out there Sunset. This whole Corona pysops has exposed a lot of them for what they were all along.
I suppose another way is following the money trial – where there funding is coming from.

Reg
Reg
May 30, 2020 2:36 AM
Reply to  snuffleupagus

How beautifully it comes down. Office fires do that, you know. And NIST will not release its data for how it “modelled” this one. National security, naturally.

snuffleupagus
snuffleupagus
May 30, 2020 1:14 PM
Reply to  Reg
Reg
Reg
May 30, 2020 1:52 AM

Jon Rappoport on the whole illusion. That tightly screwed-in clamp around the mind is what makes people treat this nonsense as real. And that’s what leads to terrible consequences in the real world. But then these terrible outcomes are treated with even more fakery. And so it goes on, with the pendulum of lies swinging end to end.

https://blog.nomorefakenews.com/2020/05/29/the-pandemic-pattern-how-the-illusion-is-built/

tonyopmoc
tonyopmoc
May 30, 2020 1:15 AM

I do know some people who have worked in the NHS most of their lives, and they all do start meaning well. They are there to save lives from the youngest sweetest nurse..to the clever young man who goes to study it at The Best Medical School /University in The UK (Manchester)

They all know now, that most of them have been fired, and over 50% of UK hospital wards are empty…

That something is not quite right here..

hippocratic oath??

Have you had a flu jab?

Don’t be daft bro – we just get paid to inject it into our patients who come into our surgery to demand it..

Do you medical staff inject it into each other?

Not with a needle bro – we might get infected.

“The Killers – All these things I’ve Done [UK Version]”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xKKsbRQ9GQg

Tony

JudyJ
JudyJ
May 30, 2020 11:01 AM
Reply to  tonyopmoc

Tony

Do you medical staff inject it into each other?

As I have mentioned a couple of times before, my neighbour is a nurse at the local Infirmary. We were talking about Covid19 and vaccinations a couple of days ago. I said that one of my concerns was that a Covid19 vaccine would be mandatory. She, naively, said that this would never happen; it would always be voluntary. She added that she too would have some concerns about it.

I asked her if she had a flu jab because of her job. She said that although they have a choice in theory, the opportunity to refuse never materialises: “The staff administering it seem to catch you when you least expect it; you could be going through case papers at the nurses’ station when they come along and, bang, the needle is in your arm before you know it”.

snuffleupagus
snuffleupagus
May 30, 2020 12:42 PM
Reply to  JudyJ

“The staff administering it seem to catch you when you least expect it; you could be going through case papers at the nurses’ station when they come along and, bang, the needle is in your arm before you know it.”

bullshit. they could be charged with assault for doing that.

the real story is that they’re too spineless and conformist to refuse.

JudyJ
JudyJ
May 30, 2020 12:54 PM
Reply to  snuffleupagus

Possibly, but I’m just the messenger! But I must say that she didn’t say it in a jocular fashion. She had an intense look of disapproval and genuine concern on her face when she told me this. I doubt that there are many nurses who would formally complain if this happened to them.

snuffleupagus
snuffleupagus
May 30, 2020 1:10 PM
Reply to  JudyJ

do they stick the needle through their clothing? that would be medical malpractice. and aren’t they supposed to sterilize the skin with alcohol before putting the needle in?

more bullshit. they’re just too conformist to refuse.

Rachel Wild
Rachel Wild
May 30, 2020 12:31 AM

Excellent. Thank you. Yesterday, I also drew upon the misinformation preceding the Iraqi conflict to illustrate the possibility we’re being manipulated into believing a narrative which is already doing a lot of us a lot of harm, (mentally, physically and financially) in my article :: Circadian Rhythm & Why We’d Be Dead Without It… The title belies where the article actually goes… You see… I’m trying to stop writing articles about Covid-19. Instead, I’m trying to alert people to serious health dangers which are actually very real, like disturbances to our Circadian Rhythm, and how things like wireless tech and blue screened devices are profoundly disruptive for us on a fundamental level, (a bit like Graham Phillips at an Eliot Higgins press junket, if wireless tech is Graham Phillips and your health is Eliot Higgins, which feels all wrong right from the very outset!)… But, a few paragraphs in, and boom! There’s Covid-19 and the Iraqi War being made synonymous, with, of course, some of the consequences of that little analogy being laid bare… You can read Circadian Rhythm & Why We’d Be Dead Without It by following the links provided.

ame
ame
May 30, 2020 12:23 AM

how long before your phone tells you tomorrow your allowed another day to live as a essential service
due to CV 33 strain bio hazard everyone has be given daily government update on if they allowed to live as essential…

Reg
Reg
May 30, 2020 12:13 AM

The opening premise itself is wrong: that there is a new, deadly disease stalking the land. Once you go down that road you’re in the reservation, the boundaries are set, and your language and thinking can’t break out of their confines.

Andy Brent
Andy Brent
May 30, 2020 12:10 AM

Objective articles like this give me hope. Thank you, Mr Smith.

Rhisiart Gwilym
Rhisiart Gwilym
May 29, 2020 11:57 PM

Del Bigtree interviews Dr. Zack Bush. Simply wonderful take on this whole thing, both the science and the spirit. Don’t miss it:

https://thehighwire.com/doctor-who-predicted-covid-19-answers-all/

BDBinc
BDBinc
May 29, 2020 11:34 PM

There is no threat from COVID , all threats are due to the Govts tyranny and believers( enforcers) of the Covid hoax. What is happening now in many parts of the world is repeat from the time of Nazi German fascism.”Introduced ideology of “biological terrorism ” into the global legal systems. The shift from the traditional legal system (the “normative state”) to the UN(NeoNazis) ideological mission (the “prerogative state”) for the regime, including its atrocities to be performed “legally”. The Covid legislation that is in conflict with human rights, constitutions and laws.
There is no evidence at all supporting the hoax, it would not be real in people’s minds but for the chains of fear( TV/media propaganda ).
Its a lockup as no one in their right mind would ever quarantine healthy people.

Moneycircus
Moneycircus
May 30, 2020 1:01 AM
Reply to  BDBinc

There’s nothing neo about them. The NAZIs never went away – Mae Brussell.

jay
jay
May 29, 2020 11:18 PM

Quo Vid…

jay
jay
May 29, 2020 11:34 PM
Reply to  jay

The wife said Rossi was ‘cute’ when He had hair, unlike Demonic Cummings…

Ginette Craig
Ginette Craig
May 30, 2020 7:20 AM
Reply to  jay

Jay – Thank you so much for putting up this video. I loved the 70’s. Especially the music and the comedy. We weren’t without our hardships then, and there was a lot of political upheaval, but the freedom we had! I weep buckets, not just for days gone by, but for what lies ahead for future generations.

jay
jay
May 30, 2020 9:06 AM
Reply to  Ginette Craig

They’ve put their cards on table and all they’ve really got is a busted flush. This is really an admission of their failure and desperation.
I have my Faith in Christ and that’s what sustains me.

Reg
Reg
May 30, 2020 10:04 AM
Reply to  Ginette Craig

Well, we’ll have to fight. And die if need be. That’s the only way to confront pure, implacable evil.

jay
jay
May 30, 2020 10:51 AM
Reply to  Reg

And, all of the rebellions have got us, where exactly.
Give them enough rope and they will hang themselves.

Cheezilla
Cheezilla
May 30, 2020 6:00 PM
Reply to  jay

But surely, they’re taking us down with them.

Gwyn
Gwyn
May 30, 2020 10:29 AM
Reply to  Ginette Craig

Ginette – I sometimes feel a bit cheated by having been born in 1974. I’d have loved to be in my teens (or a bit older) during the ’70s. A lot of my favourite music is from that decade – James Brown and his Funky People, Led Zep, Nick Drake, Bob Marley & the Wailers (and lots of other reggae/dub musicians and bands, such as Lee ”Scratch” Perry), etc., etc. Truly, it was a golden era of music. And there were many other things to enjoy about that decade, as you rightly say.

Have a good weekend. Enjoy the sunshine!

(And here’s a little slice of ’70s music, written by Curtis Mayfield):

hope
hope
May 29, 2020 11:06 PM

One should be wary of the very concept of expertise. “Science is the belief in the ignorance of experts”, Feynman wrote. And indeed, science is about doubting, in other words of not accepting anything before you’ve thought about it and tried to check it. So to be a scientist is to refuse to be an expert. The rise of the expert goes hand in hand with the rise of overspecialization, with basically the rise of ignorance claiming to be challengeable knowledge.

Science is indeed beautiful, but should not be adored as some sort of secular cult. Those who pretend to be its high priests are no scientist. It is the contrary of dogma. Inbuilt within science is the recognition of its own limitations, the recognition that it knows no final truth” (Mendeleev). It is powerful precisely because it knows its limitations.

Everyone can understand science. It takes effort certainly, but anything worthwhile in this world takes
effort.

BDBinc
BDBinc
May 29, 2020 11:38 PM
Reply to  hope

Science use to be defined as knowledge, theories were just theories, today’s science is pseudo$cience, (corrupted by politics and funding)its political agenda pretending to be facts.

1&onlybillyshears
1&onlybillyshears
May 30, 2020 12:04 AM
Reply to  BDBinc

This is another little obfuscation they love.

“A scientific theory or law represents an hypothesis, or a group of related hypotheses, which has been confirmed through repeated experimental tests.”

To qualify as a scientific theory it must be supported by experiment. They apply the colloquial definition of theory – this or that rambling, like 500m people will die of covid for instance – and pass it off as a scientific theory. It is not. It is not even a viable hypothesis.

hope
hope
May 30, 2020 7:52 AM
Reply to  BDBinc

Yes exactly, it was transformed into its exact opposite: a dogma which speaks in the name of science.

1&onlybillyshears
1&onlybillyshears
May 29, 2020 11:57 PM
Reply to  hope

Let’s break this down:

“the scientific method distinguishes science from other forms of explanation because of its requirement of systematic experimentation”

http://teacher.pas.rochester.edu/phy_labs/AppendixE/AppendixE.html

So, we need experiment. Without experiment there is no science – eg. mathematical modelling such as Fergusons ciggy packet calculations, R numbers etc does not qualify as science. As Feynmann also said, “if it disagrees with experiment, it’s wrong”.

But, what is an experiment?

“An experiment is a procedure carried out to support, refute, or validate a hypothesis. Experiments provide insight into cause-and-effect by demonstrating what outcome occurs when a particular factor is manipulated”

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Experiment

So, contrary to some popular opinions about “science not proving things”, an experiment can Refute (disprove) or validate (prove) a hypothesis. They demonstrate the cause (independent variable – that which is varied and manipulated by the researcher) of the effect (dependent variable – observed phenomenon).

Scientific method:
“1. Observation and description of a phenomenon or group of phenomena.

2. Formulation of an hypothesis to explain the phenomena. In physics, the hypothesis often takes the form of a causal mechanism or a mathematical relation.

3. Use of the hypothesis to predict the existence of other phenomena, or to predict quantitatively the results of new observations.

4. Performance of experimental tests of the predictions by several independent experimenters and properly performed experiments.”

I agree this is quite simple. This is my checklist when these claiming-to-be scientists come along. Do they follow this method? Do they claim science? If the answer is no, then yes, they are practising pseudoscience:

“a collection of beliefs or practices mistakenly regarded as being based on scientific method.”

To demonstrate, a claim is made there is “scientific evidence for Covid-19”. Yet we see from the “scientific” papers claiming to have discovered a new virus and proven its causation of a disease, that they did not follow the scientific method – ie they did not fulfil Koch’s postulates whereby a pure (isolated) form of the “virus” is shown to cause disease. They have correlation, not causation, ie they do not have scientific proof.

Theinfectiousmyth.com/book/CoronavirusPanic.pdf

Igor
Igor
May 30, 2020 3:10 AM

To me, the current panic and the “science” is the same con as Manmade Global Warming and the hockey stick graphs.

Data manipulation. Check.
Hypothesis presented as “findings”. Check.
Drastic social engineering required. Check.
Public money and Profits going to Corporations. Check.
The People pay the price. Check.
Any attempt at critique, required in open review, is refuted as “denial”. Check.

Science becomes Religion.
We “believe” that …

Ginette Craig
Ginette Craig
May 30, 2020 7:22 AM
Reply to  Igor

Igor – Yes the people pay the price, not the massive corporations.

1&onlybillyshears
1&onlybillyshears
May 30, 2020 7:09 PM
Reply to  Igor

“To me, the current panic and the “science” is the same con as Manmade Global Warming and the hockey stick graphs.”

I agree. In the interest of consistency I also extend this to for instance Piers Corbyn who claims temp increases lead CO2 levels. This cannot be claimed as a cause – effect relation in a scientific context, no experiment has been, or can be, carried out to validate this.

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
Jun 1, 2020 10:08 AM

Piers Corbyn would say that, and Dunning-Krugerites would believe it. The situation he describes comes at the end of glacial periods, and the start of warmer interglacials, when rising temperatures due to the Milankovitch Cycles cause the release of CO2 and thus reinforces the warming, a positive feedback. That this proves CO2 is a greenhouse gas is beyond the Dunning-Krugerites’ intelligence to understand. Now, the situation is NOT the same. The end of the interglacial Holocene was a few thousand years away, and it is rising, anthropogenic, greenhouse gas levels that are driving rising temperatures, which will release more greenhouse gases, and vastly more rapidly than during natural cycles.

Admin1
Admin
Admin1
Jun 1, 2020 1:26 PM

I don’t think the Dunning-Kruger effect means what you think it means, Richard.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning–Kruger_effect

Dungroanin
Dungroanin
May 31, 2020 1:12 PM

There ARE already thousands of full genomes of SARS-CoV-2.

But you feel free to ignore that!
🤣🤣🤣

1&onlybillyshears
1&onlybillyshears
Jun 1, 2020 9:06 AM
Reply to  Dungroanin

“If the virus exists, then it should be possible to purify viral particles. From these particles RNA can be extracted and should match the RNA used in this test. Until this is done it is possible that the RNA comes from another source, which could be the cells of the patient, bacteria, fungi etc. There might be an association with elevated levels of this RNA and illness, but that is not proof that the RNA is from a virus. Without purification and characterization of virus particles, it cannot be accepted that an RNA test is proof that a virus is present.”
https://theinfectiousmyth.com/book/CoronavirusPanic.pdf

In other words, without a ‘gold standard’ of a proven virus to compare genetic sequences to this is nothing but begging the question fallacious reasoning – the assumption of a virus in the first instance making all other claims of ‘cars-cov2’ baseless. Like saying ‘the killer wore blue’ and then arresting all people wearing blue. “Association” – read correlation – not scientific.
What are the images of claimed ‘sars-cov2’ particles? The characteristics match perfectly with characteristics of exosomes produced naturally as an immune response to an array of toxins/insults to the body. There are zero images of exosomes alongside claimed viral particles. Exosomes have to be present in the cultures being analysed, to quote a microbiologist “they should be there”. What is the logically consistent conclusion? The images are of exosomes, not viral particles.

Dungroanin
Dungroanin
Jun 1, 2020 10:21 AM

Here us my proof that Morons ONLY believe what they SEE with their OWN eyes – like that magician priducing rabbits from a hat or smashing someones watch and magically putting it back together!

Keeping up the tradition eh? Still think storks brought you to your mummy and daddy? Would showing you a picture of you looking like a tadpol with a tail convince you it was you?

The arseholes who liberally quote the great Feynman here (not Hawkings?) are utter and complete wankers who wouldn’t know one QED from another and have no belief in WIMPS , Bosons or Quarks which are so tiny or only exist for atime period that so small that a camera would never pick up. And they wouldn’t believe in Blackholes which can never be photographed because light can escape from it!

That is Morons for you proved by their moronic behaviour.

QED.

1&onlybillyshears
1&onlybillyshears
Jun 1, 2020 4:09 PM
Reply to  Dungroanin

Such a bevy of fallacious reasoning, where to start…
1) “morons” – standard ad hom
2) misrepresentation and failure to understand either your own side or my side of the argument. The argument put forward by your own side ie those who claim “sars-cov2” has been “isolated”, is that sars-cov2 is proven by electron microscope images of claimed sars-cov2 (Its those big scary sphere things with little antennas you watch on BBC news every night). Those are in fact images of exosomes which are definitely in the cell culture. Therefore where are the viral particles if the visual is claimed to prove their existence.
3) inane ramblings about rabbits and tadpoles.
4) My quotation of Feynmann was in relation to experiment being the key to science. You then make a claim about blackholes in a scientific context soooo… please state your experiment relating to blackholes. We will need: natural phenomenon observed; hypothesis; experiment identifying dependent and independent variable and control variables.

Dungroanin
Dungroanin
Jun 1, 2020 5:00 PM

Ok Einstein lets figure out what you believe at the moment.

1. Do you believe the Higgs Boson is proved to exist?

2. Have you seen a photo of it?

3. Do you believe Nutron Stars exist?

4. Have you seen a photo of it?

5. Do you believe only things which have been photographed exist otherwise they are not real? Like say Nessie, Big Foot…God?

Yes or No will do – than i’ll happily know how to explain viruses to you.

Rachel Wild
Rachel Wild
May 30, 2020 1:56 AM
Reply to  hope

Brilliant comment! Can I please quote you in one of my articles…? Perhaps within the one which contains the quote contained within a Milton Freedman image, which reads, “Scientists have discovered that people will believe anything if you say scientists have discovered it” :: It’s within this article :: Our Economy Is Way More Sick Than We Are I would love to use what you have said, and who I should attribute the quote to if permission is granted. Thanks x

Cheezilla
Cheezilla
May 30, 2020 5:59 PM
Reply to  Rachel Wild

That’s one hell of an article. Guaranteed to cause sleepless nights. You rounded up all the info into one place. I dread to think what the update will describe.

Jose Silveira
Jose Silveira
May 30, 2020 3:20 AM
Reply to  hope

I wrote somewhere else that political activism (in this case, pro-technocracy activism) has a peculiar effect on people – it turns scientists into incompetent idiots, while simultaneously turning incompetent idiots into “experts”. We see examples of that everywhere.
If truly independent and competent scientists and journalists were allowed to question and participate in the necessary public discussions, instead of being censored, discredited and threatened, on a daily basis, these flawed narratives (borderline hoaxes), would be easily dismantled.
Yet, the same powers that create the activists, control all sources of information, academia, public services, governments, etc., turning falsehoods into “official and formal truths”, that no one is allowed to challenge (difference of opinion is now a crime), no matter how blatantly false they may be.
The plague of activism has spread exponentially in the last decades, to the point that competent people can no longer be found in key positions in our society, having all been replaced by puppet activists, whose sole quality is their devotion to the script and to their puppet-masters.

Jose Silveira
Jose Silveira
May 30, 2020 3:32 AM
Reply to  Jose Silveira

I wonder what happened to make my comment above not posting immediately and be flagged as “Comment awaiting moderation”.
Is censorship starting here? Did I trip some “keyword alert”?

Cheezilla
Cheezilla
May 30, 2020 5:17 PM
Reply to  hope

No wonder idle Boris keeps emphasising his deferral to “The Science”.

Gary Weglarz
Gary Weglarz
May 29, 2020 11:00 PM

Personally I’m deeply touched by the concern shown by our elites in placing us all under house arrest for our own good. I mean what are our caring and altruistic elites supposed to do? They just can’t help it that they care so deeply about all of us and about our welfare. Well, I mean, they might not necessarily care that we might be homeless, or unemployed, or bankrupt from lack of health insurance, or clinically depressed, but still I like totally trust their expressions of concern for us. I mean why would they lie?

In fact it seems clear to me that our elites “care about us” in roughly the same way they “care deeply” about the people of Iraq, Libya, Afghanistan, Syria, Yemen, Venezuela, well, you name a place we’ve destroyed or have sanctioned, or starved the population in, or have attempted to destroy – and our elites will gladly tell you how much they “care about” the people in those places. This sort of deep caring is a rare form of altruism. I mean when you’re willing to spend billions of dollars bombing people you don’t even know because you “care about them” so much – well that’s some pretty serious “caring” I’d say.

Oddly it seem that much like the Vietnam era concept – “we had to destroy the village in order to save it” – our elites seem almost genetically predisposed to show their “concern for us” and for “all of humanity” for that matter – with massive violence and destruction both economic and military – but for our own good I mean – of course.

I for one am deeply touched by the concern of our elites, and I am more than happy to do whatever I’m told to do, for as long as I’m told to do it, and I for one will never – “question the evidence” – because to do so might put the continued existence of my entire little fantasy world in serious danger of dissolution and I might actually have to grow the freak up and face reality and learn to live in the actual “real world” inhabited by the people who live in those other nations I just mentioned whom our elites have so generously been busy showing their “caring” and concern for.

Or so the unconscious thinking of many of my fellow Americans seems to go –

kevin
kevin
May 29, 2020 11:03 PM
Reply to  Gary Weglarz

Great post.

Free 723
Free 723
May 29, 2020 11:08 PM
Reply to  Gary Weglarz
RobG
RobG
May 29, 2020 11:33 PM
Reply to  Gary Weglarz

A very good post, Gary.

Unfortunately many people won’t get the irony.

Stay well; and above all, try to stay sane.

Reg
Reg
May 30, 2020 12:59 AM
Reply to  Gary Weglarz

“Responsibility to Protect” comes home!

Yohannan
Yohannan
May 30, 2020 5:46 AM
Reply to  Gary Weglarz

It’s what psychopaths do. They destroy, ruin, imbalance, etc. Having no internal connection left to Love anymore, what else can they do?

David Meredith
David Meredith
May 29, 2020 10:57 PM

Very nice article and I wholeheartedly agree. However, I didn’t see a link to the clip you mentioned in the short 5th paragraph of the main body of the article though…

“First, before reading on, watch this CLIP ??, which I think is hilarious and vaguely relevant to what I’m going to say”.

Loverat
Loverat
May 29, 2020 11:49 PM
Reply to  David Meredith

Yes, perhaps Off G ‘dropped a bollock’ on that important issue.

Moneycircus
Moneycircus
May 30, 2020 1:10 AM
Reply to  Loverat

Originally published on One World Press http://oneworld.press/?module=articles&action=view&id=1482

David Meredith
David Meredith
May 30, 2020 11:12 AM
Reply to  Moneycircus

Thanks very much for that!

Elrin
Elrin
May 30, 2020 1:29 AM
Reply to  David Meredith

This is the reason i haven’t read the article! Glad someone else brought it up.

bob
bob
May 29, 2020 10:50 PM

The evidence presented in these regime updates on the tyranny poses a view in contradistinction to the reality – it is highly dangerous – it is based still on models rather than our everyday experience – today’s highlighted this again.

I have an increasing feeling of dreed about all of this stimulated by the whole tone and expression in today’s regime press conference. I caught the part when the medic was talking about the environment, yes, and the changes to health care as the virus continues to wreak havoc during the covid update – watch it for yourselves, especially the medic bit at 15 mins 20 seconds:

I think they’ve given the game away here – the reason for the lockup has been precisely about changing the system, they’ve planned it and stealthily announced it in other contexts over recent times ….

Doctortrinate
Doctortrinate
May 29, 2020 10:34 PM

History And Track Record

what more do people need…. .

Check the record
Check the record
Check the guy’s track record

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KiDSoT5vy-I

blackboard bell, teacher boss, bell boy bell girl, do your homework – educate the floor, office, brain drill, more big apple steps – more, be better ,go further, more, dosh, yearn, taj mahal in plastic, better than, bigger than, long drive, crave, dirty track, shop floor, sweep, weep, more,more….curtain twitch bollinger lawn sips, yard bogging class dream- more up front, head rest clean – fag end back end can scream, tv gear, top motor, dogs desire – raise please , more, good lad good girl, graded, flatten…office watch clap, repeat repeat, duplicate baby.

MoH
MoH
May 29, 2020 10:23 PM

RobG in his post gets it. This really is all about Big Pharma corruption despite other big players which have not really showed their hand which I find interesting.

Ive just seen another video calling out Mr Umbrella Man and Pink Shirt as undercover feds helping to orchestrate the riots in Minneapolis, which acts as a distraction from the corona hoax. We’ve reached a stage now where we can see their bullshit from almost the beginning of whatever nonsense they are pushing as their previous behaviour has made people so alert to deception and such disgusting low level tactics. I wrote a comment on a BBC You Tube video yesterday and almost all the responses were from awake people no different to the posts I find on here

My question is this. Just how in control of the narrative are they right now? As I am seeing a lot of fuck ups, a lot of amateurish behaviour (particularly the British government), transparent psyops and time slippage.

Dors
Dors
May 30, 2020 11:56 AM
Reply to  MoH

This really is all about Big Pharma corruption despite other big players which have not really showed their hand which I find interesting.

Let me see:

Big banks : bailed out

Corporations : small stores kept closed, big stores left open

The “security”-surveillance complex : overnight massive transformation of societies into police states across the whole world

Israel lobby : “Israel Expected to Seek Double US Aid, Early Delivery of Funds”

Culture front: churches : closed; playgrounds closed; liquor stores open

Gates’ education plans : greenlighted by NYC mayor

Military-propaganda complex : (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6fvz1ZUV-WY)

Geopolitics : dramatic rise of antagonism between Washington and Beijing

Dungroanin
Dungroanin
May 31, 2020 1:09 PM
Reply to  MoH

The DS can’t resort to assassination quite yet . They are firmly in the cross-hairs, on the record and the Grand Juries – there are way too many loose ends and the apparatchik agents will be spilling the beans to not take all the blame.

‘We were just following orders!’

‘That may reduce your sentence, If you name names, confess to whole sorry conspiracy and testify’

Trump has them by the balls and they are inciting riots to save their sorry arses.

RobG
RobG
May 29, 2020 10:01 PM

What Kevin doesn’t seem to say here is just how totally corrupt these ‘scientific experts’ are and their huge ties to big pharma.

In the meantime here’s Jimmy Dore’s wonderful recent rant about police violence in America…

David Meredith
David Meredith
May 29, 2020 11:04 PM
Reply to  RobG

Extremely good point. Seems there’s a big drive by Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation, Gavi, ID2020 to use this covid-19 as a basis for global domination of world health and pharma using vaccines and quantum dot tattoo to get us all under control and on a digital grid. I think there are links into UK Government health advisors (like Chris Whitty who received a $40M grant for research).

Doctortrinate
Doctortrinate
May 29, 2020 11:54 PM
Reply to  RobG

It’s a rigged game – play along, but where are you being taken ?…where you think you took yourself, or where they, are taking you.

S Cooper
S Cooper
May 29, 2020 9:55 PM

If the State can manufacture consent and “dissent”, it certainly can manufacture (and hide) evidence and create credentials. So much for the findings of “experts.” Generally speaking the first rule of detecting and determining political misinformation and disinformation are who benefits [the most] and how and why they do.

“Figures often beguile me, particularly when I have the arranging of them myself; in which case the remark attributed to Disraeli would often apply with justice and force: ‘There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics.'”

~ Mark Twain

tonyopmoc
tonyopmoc
May 29, 2020 9:42 PM

Kevin Smith,

Thank You, I have not quite finished reading all of what you wrote, but I will.

Kevin, You were writing the same thoughts as me -and providing links that still work, well the first 3 or 4 did – 15 minutes ago.

Tony

Blubber
Blubber
May 29, 2020 9:18 PM

It may have started with blind panic ( if we’re being charitable) but it quickly evolved into what Cummings has in the past referred to as ‘beneficial crisis’ – a means to bring about sweeping changes on a dazed and confused public.

Blubber
Blubber
May 29, 2020 9:06 PM

I wouldn’t buy a washing machine without doing my research – same goes for buying a narrative

Jose Silveira
Jose Silveira
May 30, 2020 3:27 AM
Reply to  Blubber

That’s a good one! I’m buying it 🙂

snuffleupagus
snuffleupagus
May 30, 2020 1:00 PM
Reply to  Blubber

never look a gift narrative in the mouth.

jamie
jamie
May 29, 2020 8:39 PM

“Today, I believe that the UK government is realising their lockdown response was driven by blind panic after receiving incorrect advice on potential mortality rates from their scientists”. Utter bollocks.

Roddy Duncan
Roddy Duncan
May 29, 2020 9:48 PM
Reply to  jamie

It is a little forgiving, isn’t it. I guess he’s concerned what others might think of him.

Anyone with eyes to see, can see the (truly awesome) manipulation of an entire species into their world, without borders, without distinction, no privacy… no hope

yorkshirelad
yorkshirelad
May 29, 2020 10:00 PM
Reply to  jamie

So, in your opinion, what was the reason for lockdown ? Simply stating “Utter bollocks” makes you seem as bad as the “official narrative”, or is that what you are standing behind ?

jay
jay
May 29, 2020 11:08 PM
Reply to  yorkshirelad

Probably, similar reasons why the same demographic lied about the Sadam’s WMDs.

Louis N. Proyect
Louis N. Proyect
May 29, 2020 8:36 PM

One of their tactics is to label anyone who questions the prevailing narrative as “conspiracy theorists”.

Well, if the shoe fits…

WorldParole
WorldParole
May 29, 2020 8:47 PM

Unlike mainstream narrative, where nothing fits.

Gwyn
Gwyn
May 29, 2020 9:10 PM

Oof. Another crushing blow delivered by your good self.

I, for one, seriously doubt whether I’ll ever fully recover from it. And I fear for the poor people who run Off-Guardian, I really do…

MoH
MoH
May 29, 2020 9:55 PM

Why does your site associate with a psychopath such as Tim Wise blatantly trying to fan a race war?

https://www.counterpunch.org/2020/05/29/protest-uprisings-and-race-war/

S Cooper
S Cooper
May 29, 2020 10:16 PM
Reply to  MoH

Does it matter?

Exchanges with CounterPuff are counter productive.

MoH
MoH
May 29, 2020 10:28 PM
Reply to  S Cooper

They dont allow comments on their site (like the Guardian for those that have been banned several times) so its an outlet in frustration at their globalist, divisive sophistry and propaganda.

But Tim Wise is dangerous and Im being honest but that psycho scares me. Literally an inverse Hitler

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
May 29, 2020 10:44 PM
Reply to  MoH

There has been a race war in the USA since 1620. Only one side has been active, of course.

Seamus Padraig
Seamus Padraig
May 29, 2020 11:07 PM
Reply to  MoH

Wise is a total, anti-White nutbag.

It is telling that much of white America sees fit to lecture black people about the evils of violence, even as we enjoy the national bounty over which we claim possession solely as a result of the same. I beg to remind you, George Washington was not a practitioner of passive resistance. Neither the early colonists nor the nation’s founders fit within the Gandhian tradition. There were no sit-ins at King George’s palace, no horseback freedom rides to affect change. There were just guns, lots and lots of guns.

Has the man seriously never heard of the Boston Tea Party? Wasn’t he raised in the US? How can he be so ignorant of basic history?

Ort
Ort
May 29, 2020 10:15 PM

Another Trutherphobe heard from.

John Deehan
John Deehan
May 29, 2020 10:44 PM

Oh dear, it seems you have no idea where, when and by whom the term first gained so much public prevalence.

snuffleupagus
snuffleupagus
May 30, 2020 12:58 PM
Reply to  John Deehan
Seamus Padraig
Seamus Padraig
May 29, 2020 11:01 PM

Louis Proyect: winning the war against ‘conspiracy theory’ one down-vote at a time!

http://jatnewsdaily.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/charlie_sheen_winning_poster.jpg

jay
jay
May 29, 2020 11:11 PM

What? Come back Howard Hughes, all is forgiven says Louis, a visor wearing, mask wearing virus theorist.

Reg
Reg
May 30, 2020 1:09 AM

This is like shooting fish in a barrel. Hey Judith, where are the WMD?

Geoffrey Skoll
Geoffrey Skoll
May 29, 2020 8:04 PM

I am reminded of the character in the book, ‘One Flew over the Cuckoo’s Nest’ Big Chief who was huge and strong but had been conditioned to believe he was small and weak. Yes, we ordinary people can figure things out. It is our human heritage.

Tubularsock
Tubularsock
May 29, 2020 9:19 PM
Reply to  Geoffrey Skoll

We ordinary people can also turn over the applecart and burn down the barn. Now where did Tubularsock put his dynamite vest!

Norman Pilon
Norman Pilon
May 29, 2020 10:25 PM
Reply to  Tubularsock

You’ve already got it on, Tubes.

Tubularsock
Tubularsock
May 29, 2020 10:33 PM
Reply to  Norman Pilon

Now Norman, just how did you know what was underneath Tubularsock’s trench-coat?