WATCH: Anna Brees interviews Prof. Robert Endres

Prof Robert Endres is leader of the biological physics group and the physics of life network at Imperial College London. He sits down with independent journalist Anna Brees to discuss his issues with the Imperial Model.

“I am a fundamental research scientist who uses his quantitative physics background to analyse biological data and to develop predictive models, mostly for processes at the cellular scale. In this interview, I discuss the importance of a broad public debate of the Covid-19 health crisis, which should encompass the various scientific opinions, as well as their implications for our society and economy.

Regarding scientific approaches, I would like to see the same rigorous scientific criteria applied as the ones we expect our students to use on a daily basis, in particular the critical assessment of the limitations of the methods and obtained results.”

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Sophie - Admin1
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Sophie - Admin1
Jun 3, 2020 2:26 PM

we have done some fixes to the comments – hopefully things should be improving throughout today.
 
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Arby
Arby
Jun 8, 2020 4:05 PM

The physicist doesn’t know why the UK government is doing what’s it’s doing? Okay. I can’t say I’m impressed. This is an effect of technocracy. Everyone is specialized into stupidity. He’s got smarts I’d give my right arm to possess. But, in regard to covid 19, he doesn’t understand what’s going on. He needs to get his head out of his specialized field (more; at least he’s talking to Anna) more often and look around (tv doesn’t count).

Jura Calling
Jura Calling
Jun 8, 2020 1:13 AM

This ‘guest’ doesn’t want to dump on Bill Gates clearly. .Gates,as i pointed out in my recent post, knows that everyone has their price.That extends to institutions too.Where Bill plants money, Bill controls the narrative.In this case he used the tactics of his favourite book( again, in my recent post) to create global fear( problem) and provoke a reaction( fear of imminent death of anyone regardless of age or health) so he could arrive like big John ‘the dook’ Wayne with the Vaccines( solution). It’s an old tactic.Fear is the greatest propaganda tool to those whose long term aim is to get the masses to yield to their will out of desperation.A brief googling of Ferguson’s record will explain why Gates hand picked him.His subsequent breaking of the lockdown laws he used his model to create only served to damage his reputation, and that of the college, further.This shill in the video is a damage control man.He hunted for Anna to talk to.She didn’t hunt for him.That much is clear from the outset. I’m sure the Bill and Melinda foundation will give him a nice Xmas card this year for his efforts.His efforts being to avoid at all costs any discussion about Ferguson giving the game away then heading for the hills and trying to add some scientific rationale for the deaths.No mention of why such a ‘devastatingly dangerous’ virus is still to be actually isolated so a real vaccine could be created.And no explanation offered as to why so many death certificates were lied on to create far bigger numbers.Why would that have to happen if the virus is so deadly on it’s own ?Anna seems starry- eyed by the letters after people’s names.It’s a kind of intellectual snobbery on the one hand but naive on the other.If you turn up with a degree or doctorate come in and ‘engage’. It’s quaint.
 
Fauci may or may not be ‘deep state’. That’s a debate.What he is, is a billionaire through the pharma industry.He collects patents.Dig into his roots with Gallo and the whole AIDS / HIV scam, and his treatment of Dr Judy Mikowitz, and you’ll understand more of his character.Gates is cut from the same cloth.He’s third generation eugenicist.A ‘science’ already discredited as quackery but used to make genocide more accceptable .Today’s ‘eugenicists’ want to ethnically cleanse the world.By the way, being less than a multi millionaire is a new ‘ethnicity’.Here’s one clever way; the long game. Gates has also invested heavily into Monsanto.Research their roots.All the way back to Zyklon B. Their contribution to the ‘programme’ has already been tested on rats.Poisoned food is in the system and the rats have babies.It’s in their’s too- and they have babies.Those babies are all sterile.Their family tree ends right there.Now get your calculator out.But recall Bill’s TED talk when he said he was confident that he can reduce the population by a couple of billion.The beauty of it is, third generation and the murderer will be long gone.After, of course, he’s made a few million autistic or crippled or dead through his vaccines. You see, his partner in crime, Fauci, says we may lose a few million to new vaccines. They can give you the disease or kill you.But on a global scale it’s only 1% of the billions so it’s for the ‘greater good’.Quite the messiah..
 
In the meantime, doctors around the globe are becoming youtube stars.Now we have them using atmospheric music and quoting self help books from the 90s. Telling us how unscientific the pandemic is and how the Pavlovian conditioning we were forced to go through was dangerous.Alerting the thousands to take notice and then that if we don’t fear they can’t control us.Catchy and totally illogical meaningless dross.If some psycho points a gun at you and you’re not in fear he still kills you.They could of course prepare a paper citing empirical evidence to challenge this scamdemic to get us all chipped and vaccinated. Take it to the top so to speak.If the public do it on their instruction, they’re ‘conspiracy theorists’ and game for hunting down by the police and new laws.But these good Drs have the social network bug now.They have fallen for the camera and praise..
 
As for Anna.I dare say she was disillusioned working for the British Bullshitting Corporation, but she needs to understand that it’s only one branch of the mainstream.It’s a big, big tree.Her bringing guests to her channels such as government sponsored statistical analysts and those on the payrolls of the elite the politicians rub shoulders with isn’t ‘alternative’. It’s mainstream. Either she’s for it or against it.You can’t be both.So far, whatever her intentions are, she’s looking more mainstream than anything else.She insists on challenging those who challenge how wrong the vaccinations are, how wrong it is to have no say in our lives and future and those of our children and how believable the BS is surrounding lockdown.Is she really so naive to let these sharks on ? Or is she a shill ? There’s much learning to do if she’s either.
 
 
 

Tuueyes
Tuueyes
Jun 5, 2020 5:35 AM

I’m not sure how widespread this is and sorry if it’s a bit off topic but here in Philippines private hospitals are being funded directly from Manila government for Covid 19 related cases. I know of one such case, untested but 99% not Covid where the cost was first massively inflated and then passed to government for payment. That would be a corruption funded statistic.
I wonder if our modeler friends remembered to factor that one into the equation?
 
The other point is that until such time as we are provided with a plausible explanation for why a world lockdown was necessary for a new disease comparable with many others already existing, then the term Conspiracy Theory is not applicable…

Jo Dominich
Jo Dominich
Jun 5, 2020 1:04 PM
Reply to  Tuueyes

Tuueyes These are the questions we are trying to find answers to on this site. I think we have largely managed to sort the wood from the trees it is now the time to analyse what we have.

Jura Calling
Jura Calling
Jun 5, 2020 3:15 AM

You can take the girl out of the mainstream but you can’t take the mainstream out of the girl….
 
Anna seems to have a foot in each camp.On the one hand she’s outing the mainstream censorship and official narratives, on the other she’s allowing a platform for those working for it and taking it’s dollar…shills like this German one. All roads crawl to Gates…
On another vid, Anna makes a barbed and needless remark about David Icke.The so called conspiracy theorist who was exposing crap like this when she was still in school.
 
For Anna…
 
David Icke called Neal Ferguson out first.He exposed his dire history using his ‘models’. Especially the one he used for the Foot and Mouth in the UK.But that wasn’t the only mess.And his numbers used in his projections were ridiculous. He predicted 500,000 deaths in the UK alone.David Icke exposed Ferguson’s model as 13 years old and unregistered. He exposed the fact that Gates has huge money invested in it.He’s the piper; he calls the tune.Gates wanted a legitimate reason to implant RFID chips into the world’s population.He needed one to vaccinate them too.He wasn’t going to get one for either if he relied upon honest medical people.So Gates, the software billionaire commissioned a report from an IT consultant and and programme writer to get the numbers( to produce a specific kind of statistics).The college he throws millions at are not going to bite the hand that feeds. 
 
Soon after David ‘conspiracy theorist’ Icke took the lid off the tin, the worms got free.Doctors from different countries were singing the same song.Lies were having to be told on death certificates to make the pandemic seem more threatening.And with the fake numbers had to come the tighter controls on the people.The Pavlovian conditioning.The clapping on cue.The reporting of your neighbours daring not to do as ordered.That too was exposed. SAGE had the paper written before the ‘shock’ pandemic arrived in the UK.It was published in the final week of March. It was laid out hoe to used the media to scare and control the public.How to force them to ‘adhere'( obey).How to scare them with fines( that Cummings wouldn’t need to worry about).Ferguson ignored the lockdown he suggested we all ‘adhere to’ and used it as an excuse to run to the hills.
 
Gates was interviewed in the UK by the BBC only.He has big shared in that too. On Gates reading list, he recommends ‘how to lie with statistics’ by an author called Duff.And, out of all of this- it was David Icke who was silenced.Found guilty of exercising free speech which we can now see as a criminal offence.No wonder the guy in this video ‘can’t talk about’ Ferguson.He’s one of Gates’ damage limitation shills.He’s looking to spread more BS.But there’s always one mug ready to give him a platform.And a Gates shill is unbannable.
 

Jura Calling
Jura Calling
Jun 5, 2020 3:17 AM
Reply to  Jura Calling
Tim Drayton
Tim Drayton
Jun 4, 2020 5:59 PM

I have come across the following interview – originally censored from You Tube – Patrick Bet-David did with Dr Judy A Mikovits PHD about such things as her fallout with Anthony Fauci that led to her 5 year gag order and whistleblower status and her work on AIDS/HIV, although she makes interesting points in passing about Covid, which she describes as “propaganda masquerading as science.”
 
https://www.patrickbetdavid.com/former-aids-scientist-calls-out-dr-faucis-medical-corruption/

Andy Brent
Andy Brent
Jun 3, 2020 11:31 PM

‘Domestic abuse…’ switched off there. Video-maker carries a Feminist mindset? We have pressing issues of CHILD abuse and other abuse, but the old ‘domestic abuse’ tag is now a favourite of Feminists, who have gendered it, and used it to prioritise women over children and men, with mangled, one-sided ‘statistics’. Sorry if I’m misjudging this person, she may have been using it in its proper context, but I’m not prepared to risk yet another Feminist narcissist. Not good for my digestion. Much prefer Karen Straughan and Paul Elam. Well done to Prof Endres for coming forward though.

Tony
Tony
Jun 3, 2020 11:25 PM

Bill Holter and Jim Sinclair predicting the covid19 scam to cover the financial crash:
 
https://youtu.be/m8NOBxM_3Po
 
28.20 mins in.
 
“The system’s gonna go down. So why not create a false flag, and kick the table over, and point at it and say “our policies would have worked if it were not for” whatever event they come up with.”

C. L.
C. L.
Jun 3, 2020 8:57 PM

Thank you for this interview. It is so fascinating and refreshing to listen to some open discussion, to support debates, without having the usual nonsense shoved down the throat.

RobG
RobG
Jun 3, 2020 8:41 PM

If interested here’s Celente’s wonderful rant earlier this week…
 

RobG
RobG
Jun 3, 2020 10:15 PM
Reply to  RobG

The above video is not what I originally posted (Huh?!). I posted Gerald Celente…
 

Daniel Spaniel
Daniel Spaniel
Jun 5, 2020 12:56 AM
Reply to  RobG

Great rant. I never realised the crime was a forged banknote. Have you seen Bresson’s film “L’Argent”? Bresson had a few problems with the press…

Paul
Paul
Jun 3, 2020 7:44 PM

A physicist commenting on what — freedom of press, censorship, economics, etc? What at freak. Again, this is not news, and she is not a journalist. Give us a break.

RobG
RobG
Jun 3, 2020 10:09 PM
Reply to  Paul

Brees has done stirling work uncovering high level child abuse in the UK (I’m talking about the rape and murder of children here), child abuse that the likes of the 77th Brigade continue to cover up.
 
By definition the 77th Brigade are a bunch of highly criminal lunatics who are going to get what’s coming to them.
 
Don’t say you haven’t been warned, you psychos who cover up the rape and murder of children.
 
And don’t even get me started on MI5 and MI6, who are also complete fecking criminal psychos.

Arby
Arby
Jun 8, 2020 4:01 PM
Reply to  RobG

UK Column News presenters have talked a lot about the child abuse in the UK and Scotland where the perversity is deep and disgusting. There are actually interrelated agendas at work here. Catherine Austin Fitts, in her discussion with James Corbett, notes that the transgender movement is a part of it. (I am pro human rights and will remain so, but there are elements to this movement that are unsupportable.) I looked at NuNuNu, and Celine’s creepy advert about it, on my blog. (“Do you belong to the war-making State or to God?” / https://arrby.wordpress.com/2019/11/12/do-you-belong-to-the-war-making-state-or-to-god/) They want to genetically modify us, patent and own us, turn us into controllable cyborgs and establish absolute, God-like control over us and the entire planet. (My view is that they are calling the real God to “Bring it!” by their actions. They are trampling on his standards daily, convinced, but never sufficiently, that he’s not there or he would stop them. It’s a pathology. They need to know that the God who they are disappearing and trying to replace isn’t there, because, if he is, then they are in deep trouble. What is one way to make that determination? Be evil.)
 
David Scott, in a recent UKC show, notes that perverts have infiltrated the care homes in the UK and now, with extreme, abusive, lockdown measures in place, those kids in care homes are doubly vulnerable because parents can visit them! Scotland has institutionalized grooming for gosh sakes! It’s not wonder that the UK chancellor of the exchequer penned an article talking about protecting children and omitting vip MPs and online (where grooming occurs) dangers to children! It’s “Look! Over there!” David Scott: https://www.ukcolumn.org/article/scotlands-secret-shame

Tim Drayton
Tim Drayton
Jun 4, 2020 1:28 PM
Reply to  Paul

If everyone should stick to commenting on what they are qualified to talk about, then Bill Gates should stop commenting about vaccines as if he were an expert in the field.

Mike in South Philly
Mike in South Philly
Jun 5, 2020 10:19 PM
Reply to  Tim Drayton

Ferguson’s credentials are all in order, yet he’s habitually wrong. But who am I to judge? I’m not an epidemiologist.

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
Jun 5, 2020 8:44 AM
Reply to  Paul

You’re a bigoted idiot, and you comment on everything.

Sophie - Admin1
Admin
Sophie - Admin1
Jun 5, 2020 10:18 AM

You have no self awareness do you Richard.

Mike in South Philly
Mike in South Philly
Jun 5, 2020 10:06 PM

Better check with Paul on whether you have sufficient expertise to adjudicate the question of his stupidity.

Paul
Paul
Jun 5, 2020 10:17 PM

This is it from some grand inquisitor from South Philly. Again, you are part of the dime a dozen, keyboard hacks, winners of all thumbs up or arrows into place where the sun don’t shine. Amazing how stupid the retorts are.I’ll take a few people talking and having an exchange with real journalists and humans than this group-grope. I have zero idea who South Philly Tube Steak is, but in reality, I doubt you could articulate a complete sentence in a true forum of public opinion,. but shoot me then. “Bigoted idiot” is the fun line old Philly Steak is commenting on.
 
Anna the Udemy and Vimeo hucksater: “I was offered a full-time job back at the BBC but decided to turn it down, because I believe journalism is about the pursuit of truth. Now we have the technology and the platforms on which to broadcast, my new purpose in life was to mobilise many voices not just front a few.’
 
Anna Brees worked as a journalist in regional TV newsrooms for 11 years. In her book “Making the News” she talks in detail about that experience and why in 2017, she was drawn to teaching others professional broadcast skills, rather than returning to the newsroom. “Having trained to become a psychotherapist, I became far more aware of my ego and agenda. With that introspection, I decided it was wrong to go back into TV news, while I could empower others instead.”
 
Anna began her training business in September 2017 and has since trained over 500 students. She’s recently transferred this training online – which is available on Udemy and Vimeo.

Mike in South Philly
Mike in South Philly
Jun 5, 2020 10:23 PM
Reply to  Paul

Lockdown getting to ya, bub, or did this problem start sooner?
 

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
Jun 6, 2020 9:51 AM

I’m neither bigoted or an idiot.

Mike in South Philly
Mike in South Philly
Jun 5, 2020 10:05 PM
Reply to  Paul

A statement stands or fails on its merits. A physicist who does modeling at the same college can certainly speak to how unscientific and how unorthodox Ferguson’s process was. As for freedom of the press, censorship and a collapsing economy, anyone who’s affected can speak to that in the general terms most people understand them. The idea that only highly specialized “experts” can speak on matters gravely affecting all of us is so utterly ridiculous, I can’t imagine you’re serious.

Jura Calling
Jura Calling
Jun 8, 2020 7:20 PM

It would explain why a few billion people are sitting typing as a software ‘expert’ is prescribing ‘medicine’ for them..the same software expert who pays vast sums of money to the college housing this ‘expert’ and Ferguson( when he isn’t running about ignoring is own lockdown recommendations)

Paul
Paul
Jun 3, 2020 7:42 PM

God, Anna shows her colors, with her genuflecting to those top three colleges in the UK. Jesus, echo chamber. She is out of her league, and the PhD is just another guy, white guy, with tenure, in UK, Christ. Move over white people . . . but, Off Guardian is that white man’s/woman’s love fest.

Objective
Objective
Jun 3, 2020 7:52 PM
Reply to  Paul

Shes flogging her courses using youtube as free marketing platform cos the BBC booted her out/or she left, either way its a nothing burger, hes the most educated of all her interviews (look at her other vids) but still sucked in by a pretty face (i would be too) ;-).

Paul
Paul
Jun 3, 2020 8:00 PM
Reply to  Objective

Really, sucked in by her Scottish white pasty face? Really? Too many smiles, too many softball and powder puff questions. Some of us are real journalists, with years working day to day on newspaper beats, beating our heads against whores in the editors’ box, the whores in business, the whores in government, the whores in the police agencies, and the whores who want real reporters to shut the eff up. I ended up with ex-CIA in Guatemala, with drug dealers in Chihuahua and with cops in El Paso, and not one time did I have this bullshit smile and groveling like this person shows. It’s a waste of cloud energy, time and, been there and done that with the crap on Off Guardian a million times. Not sure how to respond to your freaky public admitting you have some sucked in thing by a “pretty face.” Pretty sad sack, Objective, whomever you are, she/he/they/it.

Mr Y
Mr Y
Jun 3, 2020 9:39 PM
Reply to  Paul

I can do without Mr Perfect, you quacks like one, cmon …

Paul
Paul
Jun 3, 2020 9:41 PM
Reply to  Mr Y

This is it? Mister Perfect? Nah, we don’t want to be precise and smart and systems thinkers, we just want to shoot from the hip and be all we can be by getting on You Tube or Off Guardian, and let it rip. Perfectly stupid retort, so next time, try and not be perfectly on target.

Objective
Objective
Jun 3, 2020 10:06 PM
Reply to  Paul

Relax, you’ve got to over excited & confused about my post.
 
I mean’t after 2 minutes I only kept watching cos shes pleasant on the eyes. She clearly had very little of interest to say, after all she gave ferguson the benefit of doubt & is X-BBC.

Mike Ellwood
Mike Ellwood
Jun 4, 2020 11:10 AM
Reply to  Objective

She has a certain attraction, especially for shallow fellows like me who go for that wild long-haired look. She has also perfected the art of looking into the camera, not at a screen, so you think she is really talking to you; a bit too close to the camera, so literally “in your face”.
 
Like you though, I waited for her to say something really interesting, and waited in vain. I thought Endres was quite interesting though, and if you look at his background, he is no lightweight, although probably in too obscure a field to be controversial.
 
 
@Paul: Is she Scottish? I would not have guessed so from her accent, which sounded something like Reading, to me.

RobG
RobG
Jun 3, 2020 10:23 PM
Reply to  Paul

God, you people are really boring, and you are all going to be held to account. Here’s a small taste of what’s coming for you…
 
https://twitter.com/redfishstream/status/1268144640043122691

RobG
RobG
Jun 3, 2020 10:40 PM
Reply to  RobG

And this was Paris yesterday afternoon…
 
https://twitter.com/ChalecosAmarill/status/1267933980009148418
 
Do you psychos really think you can stop this?

Tim Drayton
Tim Drayton
Jun 4, 2020 1:33 PM
Reply to  Paul

No, she just says they are the top three universities in the UK, as you also confirm.

Charlotte Russe
Charlotte Russe
Jun 3, 2020 7:33 PM

 
A LIT MATCH INTO A TINDER-DRY FOREST
 
It was decided in January by the usual crooks to use COVID-19 to veil an impending financial collapse, hence allowing trillions to be transferred to Wall Street and the big banks. It also permitted the restructuring of the economy where bankrupt businesses were consolidated into existing monopolies. In other words, a few multinational corporations absorbed numerous small businesses and ancillary properties.  U.S. billionaires saw their fortunes soar by $434 billion during the lockdown between mid-March and mid-May.  Bezos added $34.6 billion to his wealth and Zuckerberg picked up $25 billion.
 
The enforced lockdowns massively expanded unemployment and left millions in poverty. If a sociopath wanted to design a plan to trigger social unrest the COVID-19 lockdowns was the perfect strategy. The lockdowns produced intense social anxiety so that any horrific social injustice would unleash massive outrage, especially from the young.  Agitation caused by the lockdown produced a tenseness so when Floyd’s horrific murder occurred it was like tossing a lit match into a tinder-dry forest.  
 
Effectively, the lockdowns served the interest of a few, but left many millions debt-ridden and unemployed. This is especially the case, for students who secure gig jobs or work in the service industry–the most impacted businesses by the lockdowns.  If only 30% of the population work from home what happens to the other 70%–well obviously they’re left idle and penniless– two variables which always cause social instability.  
 
If the same nitwits who enforced the lockdowns in March promote more panic this fall with a “second COVID wave” and demand additional lockdowns it’s hard to imagine the chaos it will generate. The one positive note to this weeks ghastly events is that the enormous protests are building herd immunity……… 
 

Dr NG Maroudas
Dr NG Maroudas
Jun 4, 2020 11:19 AM

@Charlotte Russe: “U.S. billionaires saw their fortunes soar by $434 billion during the lockdown between mid-March and mid-May.  Bezos added $34.6 billion to his wealth and Zuckerberg picked up $25 billion.”
 
Links, please. You talk sense as usual, Charlotte, but I am keen to document my recent online course: How to Make Money by Trashing the Economy.
 
“The best time to make money is when there is panic on the streets”. — Rockefeller

Dr NG Maroudas
Dr NG Maroudas
Jun 5, 2020 8:56 AM
Reply to  Charlotte Ruse

Thanks for the Links, Charlotte. I have included them as Lesson #6. My clip (below) is rather lengthy but I hope Admin will post it as relevant to fleshing out your post above.
 
Clip from How to Make Money by Trashing the Economy
 
Lesson #1: Vaccine Options
“Executives of vaccine developer Moderna cash in, cut corners”. Describes how Moderna’s executives used the old pump’n’dump trick of trading options:
“Last week, Moderna’s stocks skyrocketed 30 percent after the Media touted Moderna’s announcement that its coronavirus vaccine trial had elicited neutralizing antibodies as a cure for the pandemic [ Con19 ]. The Dow shot up 900 points in the resulting stock market frenzy. The company’s value swelled to $29 billion despite not having had any products in the markets to date.
Over the weekend, Moderna’s CFO, Lorence Kim, exercised 241,000 options for $3 million on Monday. He then immediately sold them for $19.8 million, creating a profit of $16.8 million. In a similar maneuver, Moderna’s CMO, Tal Zaks, bought $1.5 million options, then immediately sold the shares back for $9.77 million, netting a profit of $8.2 million.”
Before it came out that their vaccine is not the eagerly awaited and widely proclaimed [ Con19 ] miracle cure, they had already dumped their stock on a frenzied market.
[ The best time to make money is when there is panic in the streets. — Rockefeller ]
 
 
Lesson #2: Rushed vaccine, legal indemnity, injured patients – GSK made billions from their inadequately tested Pandremix Swineflu vaccine. And the same man Moncef Slaoui, now head of Operation Warp Speed to deliver 300 million doses of Con19 Birdflu vaccine by January 2021
 
Pandemrix vaccine: why was the public not told of early warning signs? – BMJ, Sept 2018 https://www.bmj.com/content/362/bmj.k3948
 
“Eight years after the [2018] influenza outbreak, a lawsuit against GlaxoSmithKline’s Pandemrix vaccine has unearthed internal reports suggesting problems with the vaccine’s safety. Peter Doshi [associate editor, The BMJ] asks what this means for the future of transparency during public health emergencies.
 
In October 2009, the US National Institutes of Health infectious diseases chief, Anthony Fauci, appeared on YouTube to reassure Americans about the safety of the “swine flu” vaccine.
 
World Health Organization declared a pandemic [ why? ], and by October 2009 the new vaccines were being rolled out. UK organisations, including the Department of Health, British Medical Association, and Royal Colleges of General Practitioners worked hard to convince a reluctant NHS workforce to get vaccinated.2 “The vaccine has been thoroughly tested,” they declared in a joint statement.
 
Except, it hadn’t. Anticipating a severe influenza pandemic [ why? ] governments around the world made legal arrangements to shorten the time between testing of a vaccine and administration of that vaccine to the population. Canada, USA, UK, France, and Germany rushed to protect from liability for wrongdoing from vaccine related injury.”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pandemrix#Side_effects
[ why? hint Bill Gates donates millions to WHO and Imperial Med; his Obligatory Vaccine+Chip would rake in trillions. ]
 
 
Lesson #4  The Neo-Liberal Virus: Enter the IMF & World Bank.
Before Con19 there was “Austerity”: no money for social services. That still applies — U$ CARES “bailout” to the Lower Classes will entail new debt to the Big Banks — debt slavery which the Lower Classes (and our descendents) will have to pay. BTL Ramin Mazaheri in Saker Vineyard. For the first time in recent memory U$ government bailouts included Lower Class workers; nevertheless, the vast majority of the bailouts were for the Upper Classes.
Jimmy Dore, https://youtu.be/QxIjbulIYDs
“Our Oligarchs Regime have exploited this crisis…. The CARES act was the biggest upward
transfer of wealth in the history of humankind……”
 
Who Rules the World and How? by Francis Lee for The Saker Blog, May 29, 2020
https://thesaker.is/who-rules-the-world-and-how/
“The Wall Street Crash of 1929 began a long-period of debt-deflation with mass unemployment in both Europe and the United States. …This division of the world into exploiters (the 0.1%), exploited (the sheeple of the West) and super-exploited (Afro-Asians) is central to all the other political issues. … This division of the world by a handful of Western bankers was cemented in 1944 by the setting up the International Monetary Fund (IMF), the World Bank and International
Development Association. Today no states in Europe, particularly those in NATO, are in any meaningful sense, independent or sovereign.
At bottom the IMF & World Bank have become the principal tools by which the new global managers and asset strippers maintain corporate control over nations
(2) Michael Hudson – Super Imperialism – pp.268/269
(3)Samir Amin – The Liberal Virus – p.95
(4) Stiglitz – Globalization and its Discontents – Ibid.
(5) T.Clarke, inter alia – Mechanisms of Corporate Rule –pp.300/301
 
 
Lesson #5: Too Big to Fail swallows Too Small to Survive
Banks Brace For Default Wave: Wells Fargo Stops Making Loans to independent car dealers
 https://www.zerohedge.com/economics/banks-brace-default-wave-wells-fargo-stops-making-loans-independent-car-dealers
But the big banks will have plenty of bailout money from Western governments to loan to hedge funds to purchase assets at Con19 Fire Sale prices.
 
 
Lesson #6  Billionaires profits soar after Con19 panic
Links supplied by Charlotte Ruse in the discussion above
https://off-guardian.org/2020/06/03/watch-anna-brees-interviews-prof-robert-endres/#comment-185477
https://www.businessinsider.com/us-billionaires-434-billion-richer-during-pandemic-report-2020-5

Charlotte Russe
Charlotte Russe
Jun 5, 2020 12:13 PM
Reply to  Dr NG Maroudas

Medical profiteers are similar to war profiteers…..

Mike in South Philly
Mike in South Philly
Jun 5, 2020 10:16 PM

This whole thing follows a template very much like the one used to go to war. In both cases, consolidating wealth and power seem pretty much the whole point.

Aldous Hexley
Aldous Hexley
Jun 3, 2020 7:13 PM

Below in this thread I’ve called for more discussion of the pretext of this virus show, the WHY of it, so I would like to offer something on it, hopefully not too long. It seems to me ousting Trump, in itself, is sufficient to explain the pretext of the exaggerated pandemic, but likely there is more involved in terms of what I call “a consortium of special interests.”
 
Related is the question of accidental versus purposeful as to how the virus started, with more now in the press leaning toward it was created in a lab. As to “accidentally” that is a cautious view, whereas “purposefully” will be considered “conspiracy theory” and dismissed as such. Over recent decades of false flags and pretexts, however, “purposefully” has some plausibility. But why? To what ends, if we explore this “purposeful” scenario?

I assume that releasing the virus in Wuhan was arranged and that the orchestrators of the pretext knew the sensationalist power of a rogue virus, plus that it was NOT as harmful as would be presented. I think these assumptions are plausible. I am not a supporter of Trump in any way, or any politicians whatever. I am unable to think of even one I could recommend at this point.
 
On ousting Trump, in itself, as the pretext, I see three reasons. 1) He has (or possibly <I>had</i>) a large fan base sufficient to win re-election; 2) he threatens to challenge and take over various neo-liberal programs as his ego is very large; 3) his personality is the utmost odious to players who pride themselves on “decorum” with George W. Bush and Barack Obama as paragons of proper “dignity.”
 
Trump and Sanders posed a threat to Establishment Politics and had to be dealt with, Sanders first. It is plausible also, to me, that a calculated program of assault by virus was predictable in certain ways, including Trump’s lame response (“lame,” that is, if the epidemic had been really serious as postulated). The false models, the failure to close borders early, the playing with the stock market, support the idea of manipulations via coordination with major players such as the WHO, the CDC, Ferguson and Fauci, governors such as Newsome and Cuomo, Bill Gates et al (i.e. “a consortium of special interests”). That such a lockdown had been imagined for years and even planned for, as with Gates’ Event 201, indicates at least a kind of: “Ah hah! Weren’t we worrying about just this very thing? And now here it is! Of course we’re interested!”
 
This consortium of special interests, then, plausibly, is likely to cooperate under the official banner of “saving millions of lives” while at the same time fixing the emergency in favorable ways to special interest groups. Wealth is transferred in the nick of time; Sanders is derailed and the Democrats’ quandary settled with loyal lieutenant Biden; and Trump has a load of difficulties because he is forced to get tough with his “law and order” promises of 2016, which, as with the late 1960’s will only backfire; China is further demonized toward future war, which as Geo W Bush said in 2003, “is good for the economy.”
 
Particularly persuasive for me, on the plausibility question here as to how we can explain the WHY of what has happened, is the way the Official Narrative has been <i>clung to and intensified</i>, and this despite, weeks ago, as with Drs. Ioannidis and Wittkowski and others emerging to ask serious questions, plus the studies indicating the virus has been overstated toward enormous damage and irresponsible scare-tactics. The cavalier destruction of a way of life, not just the economic debacle for ordinary people, is also a significant indication of brainless and ego-driven behavior, and at least partly explains the rage now being expressed.
 
 
 
 
 

 

Roberto
Roberto
Jun 3, 2020 9:34 PM
Reply to  Aldous Hexley

This fellow obviously doesn’t wish to dump on his former fellow academic and has a very tempered approach, but when ‘models’ start at 150 to 200 million world deaths, closer examination is needed. Previous models from the same source were outrageously overstated by many orders of magnitude, and just plain wrong. Surely that should have tempered acceptance by those in public heath having influence.
One might just as well put 2^30 in a calculator and say a billion people would die in 30 days. Also, infections are not ‘cases’, and by the time the vaccine arrives, Covid 20 will be here. The media, and apparently most politicians, have great difficulty understanding this – or do they really want to?

Ousting Trump is more likely based on 1: He’s from Queens NY; a bit too ‘street’ for the smooth boys. 2: He threatened the bureaucracy – but review old episodes of ‘Yes, Minister’ to get a feel for the supercilious entitlement of the unelected so-called ‘deep state’, who are forever entrenched while leaders come and go. Great fun, as Mr Trump is finding out.
Some optimism may exist insofar as the ‘Yes, Minister’ Minister usually ended up winning.

As to the macro view of the current US political/electoral situation, could it be that in the upcoming election, the States most likely to be written off by the Republicans and which are solidly Democrat, enforcing the most draconian lockdown rules thereby encouraging negative public response, extending these rules indefinitely in the hope of harming the president – States which have had the least successful Covid outcomes, and literally encouraged civil unrest by their lack of appropriate response causing their residents great distress – could they actually turn Republican, or at least less Democrat? For residents, watching their more successful bordering Republican states must itself cause distress and impatience.
It’s also helpful to remember that the ‘Law and Order promises’ of the late 1960s didn’t backfire – Nixon won decisively in 1968, and by a landslide in 1972.
Have the Democrats ensured their destruction by their misguided hate-fest?

Aldous Hexley
Aldous Hexley
Jun 4, 2020 1:49 AM
Reply to  Roberto

Yes, I’m not at all sure the strategy I was posing from “the orchestrators” would actually work in terms of pulling Trump further down in winning 2020. That may be backfiring in terms of getting nis numbers up. What I meant by 1968 and Kent State was that the police brutality at that time backfired into inflaming an even larger movement against the war. I believe protest then did have an impact on shortening it.
 
In your opening sentence I’m assuming you’re referring to Ioannidis?

Roberto
Roberto
Jun 4, 2020 11:43 PM
Reply to  Aldous Hexley

My opening sentence refers to, Endres, in the interview.
Nevertheless, government(s) embraced this scenario to impose draconian response. My initial reaction several months ago was wonderment; i.e. ‘What is going on?’, and hasn’t changed. Additionally, the numbers can’t be believed due to case and death inflation. We will probably never know.
Neil Ferguson’s team at Imperial College — has a track record of over-estimating deaths in epidemics. And we’re not just talking about small over-estimations. For instance:
 
– In 2002, they estimated 50,000 deaths from Mad Cow Disease. The actual number was under 200.
– SARS (2002-2003) was supposed to kill perhaps “millions,” based on analyses. It killed 744 before disappearing.
– In 2005 they predicted 200 million global deaths from H5N1 bird flu, whereas the actual numbers are reckoned to be 455 worldwide.
– In 2009, the team told the UK Government that 65,000 could die from swine flu in the UK, and millions worldwide. To date, 457 deaths in the UK have been attributed to this virus and around 18,500 worldwide.
… and other ‘models’.
– Ebola virus in Liberia and Sierra Leone five years ago – the ultimate death toll was under 8,000. CDC computer model projection predicted as many as 1.4 million deaths from the two countries. 
– For AIDS, the Public Health Service announced (without documenting) there would be 450,000 cases by the end of 1993, with 100,000 in that year alone. The media faithfully parroted it. There were 17,325 by the end of that year, with about 5,000 in 1993.

Further to all this, the blather about a ‘vaccine’ is just silly. These vaccines generally have something like a 30 to 50 percent effective rate, by fighting the last war and attempting to forecast the next. What happens when Cov-20 comes along? Cov-21? 

Roberto
Roberto
Jun 5, 2020 1:31 AM
Reply to  Roberto

I gave an extra think to your question, and for greater clarity, Endres as he refers to Ferguson/his work.

Aldous Hexley
Aldous Hexley
Jun 5, 2020 2:57 AM
Reply to  Roberto

Thank you. Your information adds in significantly to studies being presented in these threads, new to me.I hope others take note.
 
My understanding of Ferguson was much more limited previously. Also I’m reminded of comments by Dr. Judy Mikovits,linked to several times in previous O-G threads. Here’s one example:
 
https://www.trunews.com/stream/edward-s-interview-of-dr-judy-mikovits-mp4
 
She is lucid and credible, plus has some 50 academic papers including critiquing vaccines and medicines that caused her to run afoul of Fauci and Big Pharma generally. Her comments on Fauci have led to her interview titled Plandemic being banned (it may be available again now), and she has been demonized following gestapo-like treatment previously.
 
I believe the question of what’s going on must seriously be answered and looked into. Perhaps one day in the distant past the US was capable of coming up with an investigative committee that might do some decent work. This is badly needed at this time, but completely unlikely due to the state of corruption in the Establishment. Populations are being expected to obey demands on their personal freedom and life styles, let alone their well-being economically, with the continued scare-tactic held over them.
 
Again I would like to recommend O-G interview Dr. Mikovits for an update on her views of what’s going on..
 
 

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
Jun 6, 2020 9:56 AM
Reply to  Aldous Hexley

Mikovits is getting the Andrew Wakefield treatment. You can judge a person by their enemies.

Aldous Hexley
Aldous Hexley
Jun 6, 2020 7:07 PM

Thanks for this and your other replies!

Joerg
Joerg
Jun 3, 2020 7:06 PM

There is an interview with a Swiss medical professor and it made me understand much more about SC2.
And now I understand also these “excessive deaths” in some countries.

In this interview this professor explains what happens in probably most countries: People who were tested positive are sent home into quarantine. And there they sometimes die.

This professor explains how SC2 works: SC2 causes death, because this virus agglutinates the blood. And those lumps of blood get into the lung and cause a thrombosis there. In the end this takes the lung out of function and leads to death by heart failure.

The professor points out, that (sadly) international guidelines to not recommend drugs of hemodilution (thinning of the blood). Thus these drugs are not given to patients, who are sent home. Patients who are kept in hospitals though are given these drugs, if their condition worsens.

This professor complains that the (German) Robert-Koch-Institut never cared to register the number of Covid-19 deaths at home compared with those, who died in hospitals.

I believe that these excessive deaths especially (e. g.: in the UK) to a certain extent can be explained by this simply sending infected people home without giving them a drug against thrombosis.

(As only elder people and elder people with other diseases die, I still wonder why healthy young people don’t have this problem with SV2 lumping the blood).

Here the (German) Interview: “DARUM HAVEN WIR CORONA FALSCH EINGESCHÄTZT” –
https://youtu.be/F6KsSOwroLY.

Mike Ellwood
Mike Ellwood
Jun 3, 2020 9:05 PM
Reply to  Joerg

Willem has previously explained this situation several times, and mentioned that the appropriate medical treatment would be blood thinning drugs.
 
I would only add that I believe vitamin C in sufficiently high doses (and intravenously if in hospital), might be even more beneficial, as it can make blood less “sticky” and can reverse hypoxia, among its other benefits.
 
 
As it happens, I do not believe the agglutination of the blood is a direct result of the virus, but however it might be happening, vitamin C might be the most appropriate treatment.

tonyopmoc
tonyopmoc
Jun 3, 2020 6:57 PM

I am not sure if this is going to work.It could be a problem – with the Off-G upgrade or my computer but, from my perspective,

Admin1
Jun 3, 2020 2:26 PM

No one has posted above your line, except to reply

Here where we live, I suspect someone is attacking us on the internet, by regularly dumping vast quantities of shite on my PC, my wife’s PC, her mobile phone, and my Ex Tablet – now hers.

Can whoever please stop doing it?

I can clean up the crap, on both my wife’s and my PC’s but am a bit crap on Android Mobile phones, except I don’t have a problem on mine.

But the fact of the matter is, there is still significant evidence of where I have lived for many years, of large numbers of bombs from German NAZI Aircraft dropping bombs in my road (lovely old houses missing replaced by modern ones – they filled in the holes)

Now, even though I am a pacifist, and there were bombs landing in my road, I would do what my Dad tried to do…Get in a Spitfire and Shoot The Bastards Down

They said to my Dad – you are a Brilliant Engineer, just get the Aircraft back into the air as fast as you can.

My Dad did not like Bombs dropping very near, where we now live, but he did get The Spitfires back in the air, and helped designed and deploy the Mulberry Harbour under enemy fire .

What else was he supposed to do?

With COVID and the latest bollocks its even more serious now, and I have no advice, except to continue to grow more food in your back garden – if you have one, and do not read The newspapers, nor watch TV, or you will still be under the leash and will still be mind controlled, by evil people.

Tony

Paul too
Paul too
Jun 4, 2020 2:53 PM
Reply to  tonyopmoc

Tony, do you use a firewall? I’d recommend to make sure the windows one is turned on as a minimum, which makes it far harder for someone to access your PC. Without one PC’s broadcast a list of virtual ‘ports’ which makes it easy for anyone into that kind of thing to connect to your PC.
 
Another poor excuse of a solution you can ‘thank’ Gates and co for.

Jim McDonagh
Jim McDonagh
Jun 3, 2020 6:49 PM

This lady is a victim of her own good looks and is a poor interviewer. As an interviewer rule one is your opinions are not the focus. The guy being interviewed is too verbose as well. Not up to Off Guardians standards in my opinion.

Objective
Objective
Jun 3, 2020 6:59 PM
Reply to  Jim McDonagh

Yes i found the video disorientating i liked looking at her close up but found it quite distressing he was so close to the camera & besides ( i know i’ll get frazzled for being a raciss) but i struggled to understand his accent so i kept looking at her 🙂 even that got a bit boring after 20 minutes so i gave up. A transcript with pictures would have been nice!

Reg
Reg
Jun 3, 2020 6:45 PM

Wow! The French are going for it. Embracing the future, so to speak . . .
 
https://www.neowin.net/news/frances-contact-tracing-app-downloaded-600000-times-in-24-hours

Objective
Objective
Jun 3, 2020 7:00 PM
Reply to  Reg

600,000 times

 
 
Macron must have been busy.

Doctortrinate
Doctortrinate
Jun 3, 2020 7:33 PM
Reply to  Objective

being of neurotic disposition…would fit.

Willem
Willem
Jun 3, 2020 6:12 PM

The following ambiguous picture is pretty famous, I think, and may define the situation I am in

https://images.app.goo.gl/RoprvLAe5tiqznqQ7

It’s a picture which looks like a duck if you look at in one way, and a rabbit in another way. And although it is possible to see both the rabbit and the duck, you can’t see the rabbit and the duck at the same time! – the way to get out of this conundrum is easy: ask for more data. If I could show you the same picture but now with wings, you would know it’s a duck, while if I would show you the same picture with 4 legs, you would know that it’s a rabbit.

The same applies with covid19 (and, now, with the ‘black lives matter’ protests). If you look at it in one way, my colleagues see in it what the media wants us to see (deadly contagious disease for which we need to lockdown a
country) while if I look at it from a different perspective, I see nothing more spectacular than seasonal flu. And you can even see both (but not at the same time). And the only way to get out of that conundrum is ask for more (and better) data.

Now the frustrating thing with those who see Covid19 as the disease the media wants it to be, is that they can’t see the alternative interpretation. Which is surprising since we have much more data now than we had in March (where the picture of what Covid19 was, may have been ambiguous [for arguments sake]) while it is now crystal clear that we are dealing with a duck (Covid19 is no more dangerous than seasonal flu) and not with a rabbit. So why aren’t my colleagues able to see the duck?

I used to think academia was all about hypocrisy and stupidity, in which my task was to challenge stupidity and to convince hypocrisy that the hypocrites made the wrong choice. But I now think that this is a naive idea of how academia works. If it would work in that way, I at least had the chance to convince academic people of their errors!

Now I think academia consists of people who can’t help themselves as in that ‘they can’t handle the truth’. That is that they shy away from the truth, as it hurts them too much. And so they truly don’t know that they are in error!

And of course the knowledge that everything you used to believe in and worked so hard for is bollocks must be painful: a faithful media, a benevolent governement and you, the academic, as the eye in the sky who overlooks with all its critical thinking in how the world works. Well, that is a fairy tale and the Covid19 saga proves it. But if you are not willing to face that truth, it is as if it doesn’t exist.

And so my colleagues keep reading the media, shy away from ‘dissenters’ (like me), don’t show up at work, and pretend that everything remains as hunky dory as the fairy tale promised them it would be.

I foresee problems with that fairy tale, now the system is slowly but surely pushing academics to the trash heap of society (as they are no longer needed). They already started with the students (who had to go into debt for ‘an education’), PhD students will be next, and then it’s the faculty’s turn.

What do you do when Santa Claus is not bringing presents and pushes you towards the gutter? Will you then still believe the fairy tale? – At some stage people should wake up, but when I think of academics who believe everything that is said about Covid19 in the media, it certainly takes them an awful lot of time!

Objective
Objective
Jun 3, 2020 7:16 PM
Reply to  Willem

On a slight tangent from your post. I think academia is the problem. To much reliance on “experts” & “technocrats”who mostly feel entilted by their beliefs not actual inconvenient facts.
 
This all started with the concept everyone is suited to higher education, indeed subjected to formal education, i think that’s one of the biggest human rights abuses of modern history, taking away every childs early years which are wasited years for many if not most.
 
Knowldege & learnign are of course good things but formal education isn’t for everyone, once youve been taught basic reading writing & maths skills, i think it should become a voluntary pursuit. of course it’s all part of the neo-liberal system of indoctrination. Education has been hijacked as much as journalism & science become a form of religious worship all for the globalist cause.

Ted
Ted
Jun 3, 2020 10:43 PM
Reply to  Willem

Great post Willem. I wonder if serious scholarship and rigorous research, which is more about process than product, is always a bit of a lonely gig. The reward structure in the academy seems now entirely about sending the right signals to those in charge, or who fund the work, than in trying to get things right. Humans are very good primates after all, very quick to sense what the zoo keeper wants in exchange for a tasty treat, and quite obliging as they deliver the goods. But among the lonely, the several millenia old project of serious inquiry and critical dialogue is appreciated when we encounter it. Keepers of the flame and all that.

Jo Dominich
Jo Dominich
Jun 5, 2020 1:43 PM
Reply to  Willem

Willem, Spot on. Yesterday, I read an article that Quite a number of Australian Universities are having to close due to lack of revenue and lack of students. I have a problem with academics too. A significant number, in my view, are not necessarily competent in their field, in fact some are downright incompetent. They get a cushy life, earn megabucks, fantastic numbers of weeks holidays and, quite frankly, deliver very little. After some years in this self-serving, self-congratulatory environment they get tenure, a living for life without having to prove yourself in anyway. And you are absolutely right, they live in their la la land in their tiny bubbles of speciality and that is their only truth. LIke you say, when the truth comes up and hits them on the head, they are unable to process it as it would destroy their tiny little worlds.
 
Also, here in the UK, Thatcher allowed Polytechnics to become universities which has been a disaster. Polytechnics delivered courses in conjunction with business and industry so they were skill and knowledge based courses. Universities were academic based specific study. What we have now is a large number of worthless universities that were once Polytechnics delivering very little of relevance. I for one, am sick and tired of what I call these ‘mickey mouse’ courses and now there are thousands of these and I suspect, have overtaken course such as History, Geography, Mathematics – you know, core curriculum subjects.
 
It would be interesting to know just how many professors, academics, lecturers etc there are in the UK, the number of universities in the UK and the total number of students on Degree courses. I strongly suspect it would throw up some concerning data!

Dors
Dors
Jun 6, 2020 3:38 PM
Reply to  Willem

I have a long-held impression that most people, most of the time arrange their behaviour to a movie. That movie is a particular movie that they have chosen in their minds. It may sound strange, but that’s the best phrasing I come up with.
 
It is a myth that Potemkin ordered a building of a Potemkin village. It is, or appears true that people aspire to live in such a village.

elsewhere
elsewhere
Jun 3, 2020 5:04 PM

Off-topic but very interesting:
 
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jun/03/covid-19-surgisphere-who-world-health-organization-hydroxychloroquine
 
“Surgisphere, whose employees appear to include a sci-fi writer and adult content model, provided database behind Lancet and New England Journal of Medicine hydroxychloroquine studies”

Objective
Objective
Jun 3, 2020 7:27 PM
Reply to  elsewhere

Yep Hydroxychloroquine is all good again!
 
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)31290-3/fulltext
 
That’s not the only medical back tracking
 
https://www.sciencefocus.com/news/coronavirus-ibuprofen-trial-for-hospitalised-patients-begins/
 
Now they claim ibuprofen is a cure not a killer for covid patients.

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
Jun 6, 2020 10:01 AM
Reply to  elsewhere

The campaign of outright lies, disinformation and intimidation surrounding HCQ, launched by BigPharma and its Medical Mafia stooges and the WHO, the vermin of the Western MSM and sundry other reprobates like the Trump Derangement Syndrome lunatics, is Standard Operating Procedure for capitalist ghouls only interested in profit. HCQ is cheap, safe and widely available, all contrary to BigPharma’s insistence on expensive garbage like remdesivir, and vaccines.

Julian Wilkinson
Julian Wilkinson
Jun 3, 2020 2:07 PM

With due respect, at 22-26 Anna says “I have to trust Professor Neil Ferguson”. NO YOU DON’T. Science belongs to everybody. Also we should not defer to those managing “large amounts of data”: if simple data do not make sense then laying more on top is not science, it’s obscurantism.
 
Example: latest UK deaths 39,369; cases 227,985 (Worldometer). This gives a fatality ratio of 14.16%: “expert” estimates have varied between 0.1% and 3% (now headed to the low end). Three key numbers, at least one obviously wrong, identifiable by simple arithmetic. The pontificators should be made to explain such anomalies before moving on; journalists and MPs have a particular responsibility here and if they had done their (mostly well-paid) jobs we wouldn’t be in this mess.

Jo Dominich
Jo Dominich
Jun 3, 2020 2:57 PM

Julian, good point about the IFR. It is, at least to me anyway, obvious that our figures are based on the poiticians sticking their finger in the air and making it up as they go along or where the wind blows so to speak or where they and the pseudo-scientists want it to blow. They are way out of sync with the rest of the world as you point out in the IFR expert calculations of between 0.1% and 3%.
 
What I can see is that the pseudo-scientists in this country, the MSM and the Tory Government are using these blatantly falsified figures to make ridiculous statements about an alleged ‘2nd wave’, to prevent the lifting of lockdown and other solutions to the economic problems. We have no idea how many cases there are in this country or how many genuine deaths due to with or of CV-19 because we are not doing any testing. The Government is clearly also falsifying testing data, and big time too. Even the office of statistics said this week that the Government were blatantly falsely stating the number of people being tested. Also, the Government has told Labs not to process self-test kits sent in by the public as they could be ‘unreliable’ I say unreliable be damned actually. They don’t want them tested because I strongly suspect they would show that not many people actually have this alleged virus.
 
It’s all lies, fraudulent reporting, fake news and blatant propaganda. I see a lot of countries have now either totally lifted their lockdowns or never imposed one at all. I don’t see all their scientists bleating on about a possible ‘2nd wave’, about not opening schools when children are the group that are in no way at any risk from CV-19. The teachers just want a nice long extended holiday methinks.
 
Like you say, basic arithmetic should be able to sort out the anomalies the problem is they don’t want them to be sorted.

JudyJ
JudyJ
Jun 3, 2020 3:34 PM
Reply to  Jo Dominich

Hi Jo
 
I don’t know why it is but our politicians seem to like to engender the idea that we in the UK are somehow exceptional; so normality doesn’t apply to us. We are supposed to ignore what is happening in other countries because, for some reason not based on reality, they don’t have cause to suffer like we do. ‘Fate’ is being cruel to the UK for reasons best known to our politicians. We have to be seen to be top of the class for everything whether it is being the No 1 target for the ‘nasty Russians’, up there pursuing mendacious campaigns against ‘rogue regimes’ in the Middle East, and now the primary victims of ‘the [selective] virus’. If we didn’t know better, we might be tempted to think our victimhood was by design. In reality we are a nonentity of a country and have been for a generation. There is very little that other countries admire us for and it’s time for politicians to accept that fact and grow up instead of constantly playing puerile games, destroying people’s lives all over the world.

Cheezilla
Cheezilla
Jun 3, 2020 5:32 PM
Reply to  JudyJ

Puerile games? Sinister manipulation more likely!

Jo Dominich
Jo Dominich
Jun 4, 2020 6:06 PM
Reply to  JudyJ

Hi JudyJ I was thinking about this and you are right about us thinking that we are somehow exceptional. Looking back at our Government’s approach to the Brexit negotiations (with a team of highly skilled EU negotiators) our Government were using the language of war approaching the negotiations almost on a war footing, you know ‘we will get what we want’, the EU will cave in to our demands, we will defeat them and get what we want etc etc. They
approached the negotiations as though the EU were our enemies rather than our allies. Several times the EU negotiators stated we had brought nothing to the table to negotiate but were rather making demands of the EU to give the UK an unprecedented one-sided trade deal. Of course, as we are leaving the EU it is for us to set out what we would like out of the negotiations. The EU’s job is to protect the EU and negotiate a deal that is a level playing field which Barnier has said all along.
 
Also, our disgraceful MSM, which would shame any decent nation, day on day insulted the EU negotiators by every possible means. I commend the EU for hanging on in there but I’m thinking now, they’ve had enough of the UK, and I don’t blame them. The current situation is that the EU have said the UK are not at all interested in the negotiations and are being obstructive and destructive rather than constructive (that of course, has something to do with the Trade Deal with the USA Bojo has hastily signed which will be presented to us after June when we leave the EU without a Deal). Peter Hogan Eire EU Commissioner stated the UK did not want a Deal and would use CV-19 as an excuse for the dire economic circumstances that will arise in the UK.
 
The whole tone of these negotiations from the outset was that our Government had adopted the old ‘colonial’ mentality. Like you say, We are the UK, we are great, we are exceptional and you will give in to us.
 
Well Dearwell has just kicked off the anti-China narrative. Where all this will end is truly concerning. One thing I do know though, China will come out of it o.k.

John Ervin
John Ervin
Jun 3, 2020 5:53 PM
Reply to  Jo Dominich

Forgive me for the rapid response to your choice semantics, but you’ll see I have a point:

“It is, at least to me anyway, obvious that our figures are based on the poiticians sticking their finger in the air and making it up as they go along or where the wind blows so to speak or where they and the pseudo-scientists want it to blow.”

Wherever they have been sticking that finger, or even that thumb, the politicians should listen to the same advice we just gave the wind (because it’s too often all that’s listening, anyway):

“It’s not what you know, it’s how you blow.”

Unfortunately for us, the politicians have mostly listened only to the “political” sense of those words.

Which is why they call themselves “politicians”.

Hence this mess.

Jo Dominich
Jo Dominich
Jun 4, 2020 6:21 PM
Reply to  John Ervin

Hi John, thanks for your prompt response. I hate to think where they have been sticking that finger!! That should be a slogan “It’s not what you know, it’s how you blow” – a lot of hot air at the moment!

Zen Priest
Zen Priest
Jun 3, 2020 3:46 PM

Exactly right and as soon as someone says something like that you know YOU CAN’T TRUST THEM.

Objective
Objective
Jun 3, 2020 7:33 PM

She has already shown she has bad judgement, she worked for the BBC, ffs. Thats a major alarm bell for me.

Mr Y
Mr Y
Jun 3, 2020 7:35 PM

“With due respect, at 22-26 Anna says “I have to trust Professor Neil Ferguson”. NO YOU DON’T.”
 
Cmon, she means that we’re *supposed* to trust the people with a certain insight, no that we must …

Mr Y
Mr Y
Jun 3, 2020 7:35 PM
Reply to  Mr Y

*not* that we must …

Binra
Binra
Jun 3, 2020 1:43 PM

Empirical Science – if and where it can obtain funding or bump into reality while chasing pathogens, dark holes, and solutions to the problems a blind technologism serving possession and control (markets and weapon-defences) not least of which are iatrogenic – will always undermine or invalidate invested models based on idols or ideals, protected from truth by any and every means BUT honest exploration of the fact – however the new fact is to be integrated with as narratives of significance (or in post-truth thinking ‘human insignificance’ – how arrogant is that!).
 
The Platonic Ideal renders the natural world – our reality – a pale and unworthy copy of presumed perfect archetypes. What is at play as a result are unworthy and pale copies operating as unreal and unchallengable ‘archetypes’ to which we template ourselves in sacrifice.
Not that there isn’t a Living Archetype of which all Life is extension and expression of, but this is a Creative Open ‘System’ within which are bubble realities operating as IF closed sytems – which are thus self-depleting and self-destructive, just as is any rigid and unyielding model – or indeed – self imaged identity.
 
The ideal arises as a narrative of symbolic representation of the whole – and while it serves – is a stepping stone of its own unfolding experience – which itself feeds into new perspectives forever unfolding as a world made new – in natural cycles of conscious evolution or as natural imperatives of death and rebirth (and of course both).
 
The capacity of the human mind to imagine, is the capacity to SEEM to step outside of time and posit different options and run their probable outcomes. This tooling of creative imagination has become a replacement for consciousness under the setting of it to conflict avoidance. Its technological development as the Internment of Things under broad spectrum surveillance and control, represents a ‘checkmate’ or endgame to the worship of an artificial intelligence that operates AS IF – along whatever parameters are given it.
Because we have identified in our ‘Tool’ as our protector and saviour – under settings of terror threats demanding sacrifice and denial for our own survival – in the terms of persisting such an identity – we are not aware that the Creative is active and serving us perfectly – but as the saying goes – Garbage in; garbage out.
 
I haven’t listened to the interview yet. But in any case I always look to what runs beneath the world we lockstep in as ‘real’ – and then struggle, suffer and die in – not least from being set in fear against each other in distrust or outright attacks and denials.
 
Ivory tower elitism can play god with plans and models without connecting the the experience invoked and piling up of life-debts that are represented as the complex of burden and strain of defence against transparency to true account. Death and taxes then set the parameters for the question – ‘who pays?’ and ‘who gets to decide?’ and ‘by what means?’. Providing tools by which those in positions of control can persist in exercising control aligns support for ‘control’ as the basis for decisions OF control – rather than by open communication – which includes questioning the models or ideas and ideals that ‘control narratives’ would lock out from threat of change by shifting to invisible shadow governance by technical and regulatory dictates – whilst leaving a sideshow of appearance management as a living theatre for the many – as the dumping ground for toxic debts and the funding or revenue source for persisting in piling them up.
 
 

tonyopmoc
tonyopmoc
Jun 3, 2020 1:19 PM

Nearly everyone, apart from a small number of people on various websites, such as here, thought and still think, despite the official numbers, that COVID19, was an extremely dangerous Pandemic and very much worse than a normal flu.
 
Nearly everyone, apart from a small number of people on various websites, think that George Floyd is dead.
 
I do understand why. The propaganda is overwhelming.
 
Now it is entirely possible that George Floyd is dead, and numerous people like him, most certainly are dead under very similar circumstaces.
 
However, the story of George Floyd, his history and that of his “killer” together with a mass of photographic evidence, do not make sense with regards to the official narrative of his death. I am not very good, at examining forensically, photographic evidence in great detail because the entire thing makes me sick. Basically I do not want my mind being further polluted by evil, even if the evil in this and numerous other cases, with long photographic sequences, and even minor, though very real slight changes in location indicate the entire bloody thing was faked, and filmed more than once. Some other people are very good at forensically examining such photographic evidence. They are all demonised as conspiracy theorists, and hardly anyone actually believes them, because they too do not want to look at the evidence.
 
Put simply, he was a massive great powerful bloke, who could move his head, and shout I can’t breathe. The “killer” who he used to work with, quite clearly, is putting very little weight on his neck. There are loads of “police” there, and others – even from his car, just standing around not taking anything too seriously as if they are on a film shoot. Then there is someone else, and others filming the event in detail for over 10 minutes. It doesn’t make any sense, except to give the distinct impression, it is part of a psyop, with the very real intention of provoking a massive reaction, riots etc, resulting in more mass deaths, and potentially even civil war, with full agreement and complicity of the vast majority of the mass media.
 
Not that it will make any difference. The basic facts of the matter are true, even if this one event was faked. Putting the genie back in the bottle is not possible.
 
Chris Spivey goes on forever, and I can’t be bothered to read all this, but he does make some very good points, and swears a lot.
 
http://chrisspivey.org/think-floyd/
 
 
I still think they are trying to kill us all off, and there will be no going back to normal, except perhaps eventually for my Grandchildren – who did splash in the paddling pool yesterday in our back garden. Yes, we were very naughty.
 
Tony
 
 

breweriana
breweriana
Jun 3, 2020 1:33 PM
Reply to  tonyopmoc

If it was faked or not, is moot.
 
People are dying regularly, not just from the brutality of the state directly, but from the depressing effects of the ‘lockdown’ and loss of jobs, income etc.
 
It was only a matter of time before it becomes all too much.

tonyopmoc
tonyopmoc
Jun 3, 2020 4:44 PM
Reply to  breweriana

I completely agree.

Sally
Sally
Jun 3, 2020 2:07 PM
Reply to  tonyopmoc

If there were a real uprising, this is what it would look like, this is ‘the look’ the CIA try to recreate in their operations around the world, but this is what a real uprising looks like, it happened for real economic and political reasons. How are they going to stop it…… where is the solution waiting in the wings? there is none.

tonyopmoc
tonyopmoc
Jun 3, 2020 2:50 PM
Reply to  Sally

I was very impressed with the numbers of people that RobG posted last night.
 
https://twitter.com/redfishstream/status/1267073026614493184

Jo Dominich
Jo Dominich
Jun 3, 2020 3:14 PM
Reply to  Sally

Sally, you are right. No question that George Floyd was killed by the police, it’s there on video and the officer has been arrested and charged. However, the uprising is a very real reaction with this killing being the straw that broke the camel’s back. The Chief of Police for Houston who stuck it to Trump in a televised interview yesterday, said this wasn’t all about the killing of Floyd but about a lack of money, about lockdown, about lack of housing, about poverty and other socio-economic factors. He said to Trump that advocating more violence against protesters, the public and the use of the military was not what was required. What was needed was a message of hope, of change, of unity. He also said to Trump if he couldn’t say anything constructive then he should keep his mouth shut!
 
So, Trump isn’t into solutions he is a warmonger and little interested in democracy or civil rights. He thinks he’s the messiah. He is a dangerous narcissistic psychopath who is a megalomaniac and is a loose cannon. A responsible President who cared about their country and its citizens would be and should be appalled at the socio-economic conditions of poverty, disease and homelessness many of its citizens live in and the lockdown has made it much worse. Trump? Doesn’t give a damn about anyone but his own interests.
 
The solution will come from the people continuing to protest.

dus7
dus7
Jun 3, 2020 10:20 PM
Reply to  Jo Dominich

Or perhaps Trump is more like a bewildered bull caught in a mud hole up to his knees. He can thrash about and spew mud everywhere within reach, but he can’t see very far, can’t get out, and has no idea what’s really going on.

Jo Dominich
Jo Dominich
Jun 4, 2020 6:26 PM
Reply to  dus7

dus7 – very good description but I think he has a very good idea of what’s going on. A committed President would be out there on TV, on the balcony of the White House or other forums offering a message indicating the Government were listening, there would be an investigation, changes were quite obviously needed etc etc. The problem with the Orange Baboon (and the Orange Baboon mini me here) is that they are not interested in the citizens of their country, just themselves, their money and that of their rich friends.
 
Trump doesn’t want to sort it out at all. He is a warmonger as the World has seen throughout his Presidency. He has all but declared war on the US Citizens.

Jo Dominich
Jo Dominich
Jun 3, 2020 3:20 PM
Reply to  tonyopmoc

Tonyopomoc, Disagreed. George Floyd was killed in full view and by a police officer who has subsequently been arrested and charged and all four involved in the death have been sacked. The USA is a police state with their officers largely racist who have a considerable track record of killing unarmed and often innocent black civilians. Last year alone, these totalled around 500 of the ones that are reported of course. Also, these protests come on the back of several more black people killed by police this year alone. Barbara (??) who was shot and killed in her own home, unarmed, innocent of any crime but killed anyway. Audrey Arby was shot and killed by police despite being unarmed and innocent. Just recently a video was released showing a mob lynching a black man. They were apprehended. I Could go on. These incidents were all between March and May of this year alone.
 
This isn’t about a CIA psyops. This is the cold blooded murder by police officers who are deeply racist, out of control and don’t seem to be accountable to anyone as they know they will get away with it.

tonyopmoc
tonyopmoc
Jun 3, 2020 4:07 PM
Reply to  Jo Dominich

Jo, I know you are highly intelligent, and I have read your posts elsewhere, and basically agree with most of your points of view – even some of your politics, but I am basically non-political. I very rarely vote. The last time, was for a local girl – a Labour MP, when Jeremy Corbyn was the leader of the Labour Party. Maybe I should have joined the Labour Party, now that Blair was cast aside.
 
I am merely analysing the evidence. I used to do get paid lots of money in my career (which I voluntarily terminated after 9/11), for not just analysing stuff, but building real computer systems, and taking responsibilty for them, when they were a bit fragile. They were important with regards to providing essential services mainly to old people.
 
I am an old person now, but never used the company I was working for to fix the stuff, I could do myself. What would be the point?
 
It is perfectly O.K. not to agree with me, but one of my passions in life, totally unconnected to my former job, was photography, and still would be if they would let me out freely
 
I am not going on holiday with a bunch of morons wearing Facemasks, but hope to go sailing again in a few weeks time on my Son’s boat – and the rest of our family. None of us have any real interest in politics, and everything is different at sea, and it is now legal again.
 
I couldn’t give a sh1t, but my son will not break the law.
 
Tony
 
 

Jo Dominich
Jo Dominich
Jun 4, 2020 6:09 PM
Reply to  tonyopmoc

Hi Tony, thank you for taking the time to write this post. It is really appreciated. I, like you, don’t give a shit about the stupid lockdown laws and am happy to breach them.
 
In the meantime, I am keeping a keen eye on what’s going on Stateside because it seems the revolution is starting there, who would have thought?

Paul too
Paul too
Jun 4, 2020 3:11 PM
Reply to  Jo Dominich

Police killings totalled 1099 in 2019. 24% were black, despite making up only 13% of the population.
 
https://mappingpoliceviolence.org/

Jo Dominich
Jo Dominich
Jun 4, 2020 6:10 PM
Reply to  Paul too

Hi Paul too, thanks for this information. it is important

JudyJ
JudyJ
Jun 3, 2020 1:17 PM

Another excellent article on the lockdown from Alison Pearson in the Telegraph, a number of whose journalists have been taking a responsible and fact-based attitude to the nonsense over the past few weeks. It is behind a ‘paywall’, but they are currently promoting an online subscription offer of £1 a month for the next three months, which I have today taken up in order to have access to mainstream articles showing some sanity!
 
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/politics/refuse-abide-bonkers-rules-longer/?li_source=LI&li_medium=liftigniter-rhr

John Pretty
John Pretty
Jun 3, 2020 1:21 PM
Reply to  JudyJ

Yes, the Telegraph have been very good on the whole with this. Probably the best of the MSM pack, though that is not saying much!
 
Pearson commented to someone on twitter – I forget who – that she had initially supported the 3 week lockdown, but lost patience when it kept being extended.

Mike Ellwood
Mike Ellwood
Jun 3, 2020 9:12 PM
Reply to  John Pretty

OK maybe, but more fool her in believing it was ever only going to be 3 weeks. I don’t think too many people on here were fooled at the time.

Cheezilla
Cheezilla
Jun 3, 2020 1:57 PM
Reply to  JudyJ

An encouraging article. I polughed through the comments last night and many of them were cheering her on. Hopefully it’s a sign of a sea-change.
 
On the other hand, Starmer is still bleating about a second wave. Pity he didn’t get sunstroke while doing the Westminster conga yesterday!

Jo Dominich
Jo Dominich
Jun 3, 2020 3:26 PM
Reply to  Cheezilla

Cheezilla, it is unfortunate that we have a completely useless and gormless idiot as the Leader of the Opposition. He should be saying what Alison Pearson and others are saying.

Cheezilla
Cheezilla
Jun 3, 2020 5:09 PM
Reply to  Jo Dominich

I agree. The big question is: Why isn’t he??

Mike Ellwood
Mike Ellwood
Jun 3, 2020 9:27 PM
Reply to  Cheezilla

Perhaps because he is what Jo says he is.
 
People on here are always talking about votes being rigged, and if any vote was rigged, I’ll bet his election as leader was.
 
He may have relatively humble origins, but but he lost no time in getting his feet firmly under the Establishment table, and plans to stay there. He won’t rock the boat, and nothing will change significantly under his watch.
 
Which is exactly why those who promoted him did so.

Jo Dominich
Jo Dominich
Jun 4, 2020 6:17 PM
Reply to  Mike Ellwood

Hi Mike, looking at the completely worthless attempts at challenging the Government he has tried to date, it seems to me that all he is doing is seeing what the MSM are reporting and using one of those as his line of what is loosely called a challenge but is more like a benign load of rubbish. Corbyn used to come to PMQ’s well prepared, with relevant facts, figures, issues etc and with challenging but spot on questions that the Government were required to answer. That’s why he trashed the Maybot in PMQs and with Boris, he outright won the TV debates and the two PMQs that they had together. It resorted on one of them to Johnson calling Corbyn a ‘big girl’s blouse’. My goodness, this is from our Prime Minsiter, didn’t answer the question though did he.
 
Some Human Rights lawyer, here we have, to our disgrace, a political prisoner (Assange) and is being detained here at the request of the USA. He says nothing. In fact as DPP he told Sweden, apparently, not to get cold feet about prosecuting Assange. The Israeli’s have shot and murdered two innocent Palestinians going around their daily business, one a young person going to his special needs school. Starmer? Nothing. Here we have total international condemnation of Israel’s plans to illegally annexe the West Bank, Starmer? Nothing. Wouldn’t like him to be my Human Rights lawer.

Jo Dominich
Jo Dominich
Jun 3, 2020 3:24 PM
Reply to  JudyJ

JudyJ Thanks for this. She is right. We should absolutely refuse to abide by these rules any longer. It is not for the Government to dictate who we do and do not meet either at home or outside or who we choose to er have intimate relationships with!

Moneycircus
Moneycircus
Jun 3, 2020 12:31 PM

“I love my brick!” Father Jack may not be the only one. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R1ZU6UMDfgY
 
Hello Go Fund me! “While he has insurance “it doesn’t cover everything,” says Lana, the owner whose store was looted. https://abcnews.go.com/US/theyre-thinking-vandalize-store-black-business-owner-recounts/story?id=71018720
 
Between struggling proprietors and Antifa protestors, bricks are back in demand. While demand for bricks and cement fell 11% during Event Covid, they’ve experienced somewhat of a bounce.
 
“If bricks could fly,” chuckled Aggro Gates, owner of Cement World. “I would say bricks have been flying out the window in recent days.” https://www.worldcement.com/europe-cis/28052020/ama-research-forecasts-11-decline-in-bricks-blocks-and-precast-concrete-sector-due-to-covid-19/
 
/S <<<<< chuckle warning

Gwyn
Gwyn
Jun 3, 2020 2:31 PM
Reply to  Moneycircus

Flying out the window? An inside job? ;o)

Ken Garoo
Ken Garoo
Jun 3, 2020 11:03 PM
Reply to  Moneycircus

The piles of bricks apparently came from the Acme Brick Company! And it is a real company. Somebody is taking the piss.
 
https://www.fort-russ.com/2020/06/manufacturing-dissent/

BigB
BigB
Jun 3, 2020 12:08 PM

Admin1 (I presume):
 
Am I on pre-moderation now? Or is it just a glitch in the matrix?

Sophie - Admin1
Admin
Sophie - Admin1
Jun 3, 2020 12:59 PM
Reply to  BigB

No, you aren’t – why do ask? Our comments have been completely fried by the recent software update, but we are apparently getting on top of it now.

Sophie - Admin1
Admin
Sophie - Admin1
Jun 3, 2020 3:11 PM
Reply to  BigB

Your most recent comment is here btw – I found it in the spam folder, unspammed and posted it for you.

gordon
gordon
Jun 3, 2020 12:07 PM

every 6 -8 years ferguson pulls out his microsoft windows on the world 1 steam powered computer and models for glaxo smith klein or sum such.
he gets some gold and silver imperial get a few hundred million and big pharma gets 10s of billions
 
babylonian circle of life a culled death
 
the goy fall for it everytime
 
 
the robbery is over theft ongoing the beatings must continue
 

Binra
Binra
Jun 3, 2020 3:06 PM
Reply to  gordon

Are you a ‘goy’?
Might goyim be derived from or related to golem?
Perhaps not – but a connection would make sense.
 
I follow with my own reflections – not any special message or reflection on you.
 
A robotic and programmable mind is set in the wish for a bubbled consciousness that runs unconscious of its will by design. How else to invest in what we do NOT want as a way to explore who we are through the experience of what we are NOT?
 
One of the ways we do so is under the ruse – “they made me do it!”, “they forced me to do it,” or “they tricked me into doing it”. When ‘what has been done’ is deemed irrevocable then it becomes “See what you have done to me!” and “See what you have made me!” – or ‘See your guilt in my state and be cursed by it!”
But the thing about hate is that it persists in the hater and is not REALLY transferred or escaped onto the hated – who may or may not react or care or may respond in like kind.
 
I’m not unaware of some of the nature of Jewish influence and its characteristic alloy of ingenuity and audacity – that is operates under the Big Lie. But I am aware that merely hating any group identity not only polarises the hater into robotic programmability of (IE feeding the anti-semitic defence of denialism), but fails to self-educate.
Fool me once shame on you. Fool me every single time – must be a system set in shame and blame offering a false sense of favour, mitigation or escape.
 
It is said that power corrupts – but surely the power of life is what holds integrity and resilience through change and challenge. It must be the corruption of power that corrupts – as the wish to be as gods in power set over and apart from life and others.
 
It is my sense that ultimately only the deceiver is deceived – that is – on some level we have to buy into it. But that the way it operates is by a contagion of false desires and distorted sympathies rising from a sense of self-lack, that reinforce their predicate.
A conflicted model not only cannot stand – it can only generate conflicting and conflicted results.
 
If indeed there is no lack in truth itself, something else is running as a sense of attack, scarcity, threat and control. An in order to do so, our integrity has to be phished into running on appearances instead of in the truth of the heart – regardless appearances.
 
Nakedness or fear of loss of Face is not just ‘body shame’ or loss of power to a body seen as weak and limiting – but here we are coviding into fear and shame driven weakness – as the holding place for quantitative easing – which is here signifying the dumping of such debts onto the body corporate (the human population) by a mind-virus that has nearly run its course. But I address thoughts and thoughts and living beings – however identified in their thoughts – as living beings.
This is because I need to watch my thoughts rather than be identified by (falling for) them. The easiest way to fall asleep (to subconscious habit programming) is to invest in personifying others as the dumping place for my hates of self-denials and wanting and acting as if it is true.
 
Once we have expressed or dumped our emotional frustration, to merely repeat it over and over again is to be voting for the same mindset again and again.
Hate must have an object for its affliction, even as love must have an object of its affection.
There is NO love in a self-isolating bubble – whether as victor or as victim – or the soap of both, fused into mind-share that compartmentalises self contradictions and shifts between them at the speed of thought under narrative ‘continuity’.
 
 

BigB
BigB
Jun 3, 2020 11:55 AM

It’s all very laudable and necessary (as a baby first step toward a critical voice for the truly underprivileged): but how many people die every day when we are making that £2.6bn for ‘us’? How many children die every day ‘uncuddled’ by our consumerism? Where does that money come from?
 
Strange fruit hanging on strange trees …expelled across the phenomenological horizons of experience?
 
The concern people are beginning to show now is ultimately neo-European solipsism on full display. The daily death toll in Africa and the rest of the world is never directly attributable to us. Most narcissistically (and pre-exonerated nationalistically): it is ‘their’ fault for failing to follow our shining example and develop like us.
 
The hidden racism in our sanitised enobled worldview excludes the fact that the world is poor because it developed us. Misery is deliberately maintained planned immiseration and peripheralisation …across the shores of sense and experience. As the centre of world financialisation: we invisibly colonised the world with debt – as the new colonialism and maldevelopment policy of institutionalised silent racism and stealth eugenicism – which is where much of our wealth comes from. The rest is from recycling debt monetisation in a tertiarised service economy: servicing the embourgeoised needs of the new colonial genocidiares.
 
We make nothing – or very little – useful to life. We expect the rest of the world to provide us with a living. For which they are made to pay with their lives.
 
And never mention the natural world: except to blame the native and the indigenous for ‘their’ poverty despoiling our eco-tourist holiday destinations with slums on the skylines. Or weaponising overpopulation in an Attenboroughian invitation to race-hate and panglossian incitations to fantasms of eugenicist genocide: according to his WEF diktats in his propagandic infomercial for financial dictators. That’s us (or it is round here).
 
Our consumption and commodification Fetish is never in question: until it is threatened. Then we invent an imaginary class conflict or challenge the techno-scientific control of ‘our’ lives. First turning a blind-eye to the real planetary class conflict that forces the majority of humanity into servility and unbelievable poverty for our benefit. Across the real class Divide – created by the techno-scientific methodology of control when it suits us – which Jason Hickel summarises in one graph. Where the globally impoverished receive $128 in development aid: in return for supplying $2.6tn to develop ‘us’.
 
While the consumption class of humanity over-accumulate and over-consume: richer overdeveloped nations – like the UK – use 27.1 tonnes of raw material per person per year, compared to just two tonnes a head in low income countries. There is the real class conflict and real global inequality: the real Divide no one wants to acknowledge.
 
How much do we impair the rest of the world in their right to autonomy and self-sovereignty every day, come what may?
 
But if ‘our’ rights to technocratic freedom are impaired.
 
There is something very sinister about the “becoming-Black” embourgeoised response to CV-19. We have been condemning the majority of humanity – and all of the natural world – to a fate worse than death for most of modern history. But we have sanitised that and erased it from our experience: treating the rest of the world as the abnegated nothingness of our superior moral virtue and aestheticised liberalism. But when that freedom is impinged upon: then we become radicalised against the techno-scientific racism and eugenicism we employ on a daily basis to become who we think we are. Unencumbered by compassion, morality, life-affirming value ethics, or even the slightest sense of our new colonial history.
 
Aime Cesaire was right: we are responsible for the biggest mound of bodies in history. But we left them abroad: beyond the apprehension of the collective national psyche of historical amnesis. It was a colonial episodic aberration. Which never ended: but continued to penetrate to the cellular level and the colonisation of the unconscious with debt and inferiority. Out of sight and out of mind.
 
Now if that nasty Ferguson, Gates and Trump will just let us get back to the task in hand: I’m sure we can eradicate difference, colonise the the homeland unconscious, and genocide the rest of life by the end of the century?
 
When it is the colonisers turn to be colonised: they still cannot see the totality of what they themselves have done. So much fear and confusion in normal people: who might get a view of their real place in the world. And, possibly, just possibly: extend their research to the death rates and financial impoverishment in the rest of the world that brought us here. Then we can really have an open debate on who we really are …epidermalised black skin, white masks of an assumed identity of the embourgeoised erasure of all life.
 
 
 
[Jason Hickel provides a nice summary – in the Divide – of the World System; Dependency; maldevelopment; and a smattering of post-colonial writers – like Fanon, Cesaire, Spivak, and Amin – who perhaps see us better than we see ourselves. Read it.
 
We are guilty of everything we are accusing ‘them’ of: but refuse to see it. Which means any solution to the current ”edge of chaos” is likely to be more inhumanity from ‘us’ toward ‘them’: whilst claiming the false epidermalisation of black skin in our self-righteous victimology fantasies.]

dus7
dus7
Jun 3, 2020 8:53 PM
Reply to  BigB

Maybe I’m just impatient, but I kind of wish the really long ‘comments’ would be submitted to this or another site as an article instead of appearing here as a ‘comment’.

Moneycircus
Moneycircus
Jun 3, 2020 11:40 AM

You can’t get bullion bars for love or money, but there are plenty of bricks piled next to shop windows, even though there’s been no construction activity for two months. If the currency blows up, the rioting will become civil war.
 
Somebody is arming Antifa, says Rob Kirby of Kirby Analytics. Antifa are totalitarians so what what the paymaster wants. Strangely neither the U.S. Treasury nor the CIA can trace such payments.
 
$10 trillion may have vanished from U.S. government in 2019, Mark Skidmore* has told Rob Kirby. In the past three months, the Fed is again expanding balance sheet, possibly reaching another $10 trillion by the year end. So money’s being created and stolen. There is no end in sight for what he calls as “the grand game of hide the salami”.
 

 
The Fed knows this money creation will destroy the dollar, thus it attacks competitors like crypto or metals. Rob Kirby documents destructive trades that pushed crypto down $700 in 15 minutes.
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Kf-GzpINAU
 
 

Jo Dominich
Jo Dominich
Jun 3, 2020 3:29 PM
Reply to  Moneycircus

Moneycircus, This is astonishing. Thanks for the link because it isn’t in any of our MSM. I wonder how much of that is going into the Orange Baboon’s pocket!

paul
paul
Jun 3, 2020 5:23 PM
Reply to  Jo Dominich

Quite a bit. His closed down hotels are being bailed out. So are Kushner’s business interests.

Jo Dominich
Jo Dominich
Jun 4, 2020 6:29 PM
Reply to  paul

Paul, it is totally demoralising and criminal. Whilst 6m Americans have lost their jobs and business closed down with little or no safety net, the Orange Baboon and his son in law reap the benefits.
 
Good for the Protestors in the USA – I hope they win somehow.

paul
paul
Jun 6, 2020 5:46 PM
Reply to  Jo Dominich

Property Genius and Middle East Expert Kushner bought 666 5th Avenue for a billion of borrowed money at the height of the property boom and has been functionally bankrupt ever since. But that doesn’t matter when you can tap into soft Gulf loans for influence peddling with Daddy.
 
The fish rots from the head down.

Jo Dominich
Jo Dominich
Jun 7, 2020 12:29 PM
Reply to  paul

Paul, this is really interesting. Isn’t there any regulatory authority that protects public money from shit like this?

GWond
GWond
Jun 3, 2020 10:54 AM

This site tells us that the political demonstrations are an operation to cause a dictatorial state, but they champaign for the ‘Covid truth movement’.
 
So why is the valid arguments against police violence and the valid are augments against the Covid scam, not part of the same operation to bring about a dictatorial state? Both with Trump at it’s head, as Trump is being lorded as the Covid truth teller and will be credited as the restorer of order.

Steve Hayes
Steve Hayes
Jun 3, 2020 11:21 AM
Reply to  GWond

Trump is being lorded [sic] as the Covid truth teller” by whom?

Gwond
Gwond
Jun 3, 2020 2:17 PM
Reply to  Steve Hayes

By the Alt-right, Fox news, Breitbart and the right-wing media.
 
Why do you ask….. have you had a stroke or are you just waiting for last months news to come out in braille ?

Steve Hayes
Steve Hayes
Jun 3, 2020 2:33 PM
Reply to  Gwond

Thanks for the first paragraph; although, it was rather spoiled by the second paragraph.
 
However, glancing through Breitbart’s recent coverage of the coronavirus issue, I completely failed to notice them lauding President Trump as the “Covid truth teller.”

Jo Dominich
Jo Dominich
Jun 3, 2020 3:34 PM
Reply to  Gwond

Gwond, I do think it is unecessary to insult people in the manner in which you have to the poster Steve Hayes. This is a forum for challenging debate and discussion and trying to find some truth not one to issue unwarranted insults. I’m sure you can do better than this.

Gwond
Gwond
Jun 3, 2020 4:23 PM
Reply to  Jo Dominich

Come off it, the guy is pretending I am saying something he has never heard before, what is he 10 years old? He is just trolling, not enquiring. Look at his last reply. So he never saw the thousands of gun carrying trump supporters all across the USA last week.

MoH
MoH
Jun 3, 2020 12:05 PM
Reply to  GWond

The clue is in what protests are allowed/encouraged by the state and those that arent:
 
Black man killed by a policeman in another country – Come to Trafalgar Square and stick it to the man
 
Get locked up for three months and unhappy with the surveillance control grid and vaccines – Dont come to Speakers Corner where oppressive police will arrest you and chase you around the park

Gwond
Gwond
Jun 3, 2020 2:19 PM
Reply to  MoH

i think my comment went over your head.

Jo Dominich
Jo Dominich
Jun 3, 2020 3:32 PM
Reply to  MoH

MoH. Yep. Although I don’t disagree with the protest in Trafalgar Square but you are right, not allowed to protest against lockdown or hold the Government to account or anything to do with Covid in fact. Worrying and concerning.

John Pretty
John Pretty
Jun 3, 2020 10:40 AM

This is an interesting interview. I have a degree in chemistry.
 
Models. It highlights the ignorance of science in the minds of the general public.
 
A model is not evidence. Imagine building a lego town. You try to make it real, but of course it is NOT real. it is not evidence of anything.
 
In experimentation, you posit a hypothesis and then you try to challenge your hypothesis by experimentation. Your experiment may prove that your hypothesis was wrong.
 
What Ferguson does is modelling. He’s not really doing any traditional science at all. Modelling is guessing. It is an educated guess, but no more than that.
 
A model, as Robert says, has many parameters. If you get any of your assumptions wrong then your model is wrong.
 
One thing I have never seen discussed is error. Error is ALWAYS built into any model. So you estimate (and it is an estimate) “X number of casualties” AND ALSO attempt to say how accurate that estimate is by giving an error range, ie, “X give or take Y”.
 
The mainstream media is a festering cesspit of lies. You cannot trust anything they say. They are selling news. The more sensational the better. cv19 is clearly dimimishing everywhere, but as Vanessa Beeley has highlighted Chris Whitty has said that cv19 infection is not generally serious anyway.
 
My father’s untreated cancer IS serious. Hopefully his month long delay for treatment will not have serious implications for him, but it could. There are THOUSANDS of people who would normally be diagnosed with cancer who have stayed at home over the past two months because of this. And cancer – unlike coronavirus – is ALMOST ALWAYS fatal if untreated.
 
I had the flu about 20 years ago. I felt like I was dying. But it was just the flu. No headlines, no hysteria. Maybe cv19 makes you feel a bit shit. Maybe some even feel like they are dying. But they are not – in, what 99% of cases of people under 50? – especially in those under 40 it is not a serious disease. Children do not get seriously ill with this. Certainly less so that flu.
 
In February 2019 The DM reported flu deaths in the UK in the thousands and reported several children and young adults who were victims. How is this any different? It isn’t!
 
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-5440785/Killer-flu-outbreak-blame-42-spike-deaths.html
 

John Pretty
John Pretty
Jun 3, 2020 10:56 AM
Reply to  John Pretty

Correction: February 2018.

JudyJ
JudyJ
Jun 3, 2020 1:28 PM
Reply to  John Pretty

My impression of modelling is that it is a fancy way of presenting calculations done on the back of a ‘fag packet’ (showing my age!). In my Civil Service days long ago I used to work on animal disease policies. I recall discussing with one of my Departmental senior veterinary colleagues some fancy time consuming calculation that had been done by consultants regarding a particular animal disease. The vet I was discussing it with said to me “You know what. The truth is, if you plucked a random figure out of the air you’d have as much chance of being accurate”.

Steve Hayes
Steve Hayes
Jun 3, 2020 2:15 PM
Reply to  John Pretty

The outcome of a computer model is nothing more than the mathematically inevitable result of the assumptions. And everyone who is scientifically literate knows this.

Paul too
Paul too
Jun 4, 2020 4:09 PM
Reply to  Steve Hayes

And the old IT term ‘Garbage In Garbage Out’ tells us what we get when we feed false assumptions into a model.
 
Ferguson is taking the p!ss and should never work again.

Steve Hayes
Steve Hayes
Jun 4, 2020 4:22 PM
Reply to  Paul too

It does not matter whether the assumptions are false or not. The outcome of a computer model cannot tell you anything about the real world. Knowledge about the world is empirical. Outcomes from computer models are merely formal.

Brian Sides
Brian Sides
Jun 3, 2020 10:35 AM

This is the Guardian take and time line on the minutes
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/may/29/sage-minutes-reveal-how-uk-advisers-reacted-to-coronavirus-crisis
 
They do not enquire why no minutes between 19th and 23rd March
27 February – Committee hears 500,000 deaths possibleMeeting discusses the “reasonable worst case scenario” in which 80% of the UK population is infected, with a 1% fatality rate – which would mean up to 500,000 deaths, a key move towards eventual lockdown. This was modelling from Prof Neil Ferguson of Imperial College, who was at the meeting.
 
“reasonable worst case scenario” that is not what report 9 says
 
“in an unmitigated epidemic, we would predict approximately 510,000 deaths in GB and 2.2 million in the US, not accounting for the potential negative effects of health systems being overwhelmed on mortality”
 
is an unmitigated epidemic without problems with health systems the same as “reasonable worst case scenario” This was before the first death in the UK On 5 the March. With just 25 cases of infection/disease by the 27 February. 
7 May – Ferguson thanked after he quitsSage reiterates there “should be extensive testing of healthcare workers including asymptomatic workers”. It notes “the important contribution made by Neil Ferguson over the course of the response and [agrees] the importance of continuing to draw upon the work of the Imperial College London team.”
 
This is after the very poor error strewn code and questionable assumptions in an over simplified simulation that had not independent testing had been exposed. That Sage had accepted the report with out independent test results.
 
Before the UK lockdown on the 23rd March
Sage had only recommended that household isolation and protecting for older and more vulnerable people should happen soon.
 
No UK lockdown for business and healthy or young people. from SAGE
 
Guided by the science?
 

Cheezilla
Cheezilla
Jun 3, 2020 1:50 PM
Reply to  Brian Sides

Nicely skewered, Brian, thanks.

Ken Garoo
Ken Garoo
Jun 4, 2020 12:00 AM
Reply to  Brian Sides

SAGE leakers say Cummings ‘pushed’ the group to give a politically acceptable decision.
 
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-04-28/top-aide-to-u-k-s-johnson-pushed-scientists-to-back-lockdown
 
Incidentally, a photograph allegedly taken of Cummings ‘breaking lockdown’ at Barnards Castle (coincdentally home of GSK UK R&D) also shows him wearing an official ID card/lanyard. I am no ID card geek so I have no idea if the card is i) an official UK government ID, ii) a GSK visitor ID card, or iii) something else.
 
https://smp.vgc.no/v2/images/e0ae32e5-806d-4869-aeec-6faa3fa56c00?fit=crop&h=768&w=1366&s=52978a4ea9447d29b98d620c1066da8ee8898b96

kelt
kelt
Jun 3, 2020 10:33 AM

The IMF have been destroying economies for decades for US corporate take over, but in this case they used a virus instead of debt. so let the fire-sale begin.

kelt
kelt
Jun 3, 2020 10:18 AM

You lot are on safer ground when you attack the Covid lies but this is no longer the main story, the US has moved on to an internal crisis which has got out of hand.

John Pretty
John Pretty
Jun 3, 2020 10:59 AM
Reply to  kelt

I don’t live in the US.

kelt
kelt
Jun 3, 2020 4:26 PM
Reply to  John Pretty

Who cares where you live.

Paul too
Paul too
Jun 4, 2020 4:12 PM
Reply to  kelt

I think that was John’s point.

Arsebiscuits
Arsebiscuits
Jun 3, 2020 12:02 PM
Reply to  kelt

Organised chaos.

Oldest trick in the organised chaos book.

kelt
kelt
Jun 3, 2020 4:27 PM
Reply to  Arsebiscuits

How will you ever know when a real revolution happens? you won;t because you will be calling it an operation by the ‘left’.

Steve Hayes
Steve Hayes
Jun 3, 2020 9:38 AM

I would like to know who decided to implement the “lockdown” in England? Lots of people, both in favour and opposed to the measures say Professor Neil Ferguson, but the SAGE minutes show that the scientific advisory group did not offer that advice, and Ferguson was still a member at that time. Indeed, Ferguson attended the meeting immediately prior to the introduction of the measures, and that meeting did not advise the “lockdown”. So, the measures were not introduced on the basis of “the science” (as government ministers have repeatedly claimed). So what was the basis and who made the decision. Does anyone know?

John Pretty
John Pretty
Jun 3, 2020 10:04 AM
Reply to  Steve Hayes

I think it’s very clear who made the decision, Steve. I’ll give you a clue. He currently squats in 10 Downing Street.
 
Do not any of you allow this worm to be let off the hook.

MiriamW
MiriamW
Jun 3, 2020 10:15 AM
Reply to  John Pretty

Yes. And don’t forget the role of Cummings (the toad’s SPAD) who attended Sage Committee meetings and allegedly pushed for the ‘Lockdown’ just before it was implemented. Plus the role of SPI-B and their behavioural insights:
 
Johnson was (possibly) still favouring following Sweden’s model at this time. There has been interesting discussion around the adverse reaction to the word ‘herd’ in ‘herd immunity’. I remember many people getting very agitated about this at the time as if it was actually a policy and not a description of how viruses have always behaved in populations. Herd Immunity is now recognised as a measure of how well a population is resisting the virus, just like it always was!
 
The politics behind this, as most of us now recognise, are murky and none of is about a virus and protecting anyone except the Elite. Unfortunately, it does not bode well.

John Pretty
John Pretty
Jun 3, 2020 10:58 AM
Reply to  MiriamW

That’s fine, but we cannot get rid of Cummings. He’s Johnson’s lackey. We can, or at least we could – until they “suspended” elections – get rid of Johnson.

Mike Ellwood
Mike Ellwood
Jun 3, 2020 11:25 AM
Reply to  MiriamW

I can’t give you chapter and verse, but someone on here the other day said that Johnson (or at least the government collectively) changed his or its mind after France threatened to close the border and effectively cut off a good deal of the UK’s food supply.

Cheezilla
Cheezilla
Jun 3, 2020 1:41 PM
Reply to  MiriamW

It might be important to note that the evil Vallance was the first one to mention herd immunity.

Jo Dominich
Jo Dominich
Jun 3, 2020 3:39 PM
Reply to  John Pretty

Hi John Pretty – are we talking about squatter mark 1 – Bojo – or squatter mark 2 – Dom? Or both

kelt
kelt
Jun 3, 2020 10:19 AM
Reply to  Steve Hayes

The US and the CIA ordered the lockdown.

John Pretty
John Pretty
Jun 3, 2020 11:24 AM
Reply to  kelt

Not in the UK, they didn’t.

MoH
MoH
Jun 3, 2020 11:45 AM
Reply to  John Pretty

Its not clear who did. Certainly Big Pharma, and I think that would be their representatives Whitty, Vallance and Farrar. Though there had to be other corruptive elements pursuing a lockdown to crash the economy. The banks have remarkably kept quiet through all this

JudyJ
JudyJ
Jun 3, 2020 1:32 PM
Reply to  John Pretty

John
 
I wouldn’t be so sure of that.

Aldous Hexley
Aldous Hexley
Jun 3, 2020 4:33 PM
Reply to  kelt

In the US it started in California on March 17. That day Newsom ordered 6 counties surrounding the Bay area closed. The following day, March 18, the entire state was closed. Newsom praised a young female who was talking about a million deaths as part of his ordering the lockdown.. Ron Unz then picked up on praising this person in a thread that went on for weeks in dispute over the severity of the problem. The thread featured people who wrote angrily that “paid retards” (as with myself) were challenging the lockdown. At a crucial point in the discussion, Unz highlighted such a quote (also profane and the equivalent of shouting) as exemplary. The panic gathered speed under these influences. Trump at first said wearing a mask could be voluntary. That then changed to “the rules” posted on business doors despite the gathering evidence the danger had been vastly exaggerated. This factor alone, as has been obvious all along, indicates the pandemic is another pretext. IMV the nature of this pretext, the why of it, needs more probing instead of the continual repetition that the panic is phony.

Aldous Hexley
Aldous Hexley
Jun 3, 2020 4:34 PM
Reply to  Aldous Hexley

In case there’s any confusion I may be a retard but I’m not being paid.

Moneycircus
Moneycircus
Jun 3, 2020 11:14 AM
Reply to  Steve Hayes

We know the PM wanted a herd immunity approach and that SAGE did not advise a lockdown. So in the UK, at least, the lockdown came from an unknown (secretive?) branch of government. We are in the territory of deductive reasoning a la Sherlock Holmes.
 
Since we have no minutes or records of who in government pushed the lockdown, the suspects must include Cabinet Secretary Mark Sedwill and his merry band of 77th Brigade brothers, including Rupert Burridge from that nest of Fabian vipers at the London School of Economics.
 
Sir Richard Quixano Henriques, a retired British judge, won BBC airtime to propose the abolition of juries. He says Diplock courts introduced in Northern Ireland in 1973 to try terrorists without juries would work perfectly well across the UK. Judges are already appointed by a secretive branch of government.
 
Police are borrowing techniques from the Irish troubles using baton rounds against journalists. In the U.S. Linda Tirado and Balin Brake each lost an eye due to police projectiles while covering the Floyd protests.
 
Less than a month after starting the roll-out of contact tracing, it’s already being used to trace people at protests. Perhaps that includes journalists.
 
Compliant populations may accept the removal of legal rights such as trial by jury. Many are scared to send their children back to school. Children are going to be brainwashed even more than suffered by Millennials at the caring teat of big brother.
 
UK home secretary Savid Javid wants to investigate families over child abuse. He played down ‘stranger danger’ and pointed at “the home”, ie families. He did not mention that most child abuse takes place in state care, in official-run children’s homes. Nor that sex trafficking happens under cover of UN and peacekeeping forces like DynCorp as revealed by the Epstein case. Javid is heading an inquiry by the Centre for Social Justice think tank.
 
It all fuses together: intrusive surveillance of individuals and families, using the pretexts from protest to terrorism to child safety; fusion forces of Border Force-police-military-state security services; real-time tracking of individuals and journalists; the removal of trial by your peers, replaced by judges appointed in secret by the state; all polices being pushed by shadowy branch of government that is so far unidentified, undocumented and not revealed so far in any Freedom Of Information requests.
 
UK Column latest:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LVRAmRVY4VU
 

Mike Ellwood
Mike Ellwood
Jun 3, 2020 11:26 AM
Reply to  Moneycircus
Moneycircus
Moneycircus
Jun 3, 2020 12:12 PM
Reply to  Mike Ellwood

Looks like that report came from Liberation https://www.liberation.fr/planete/2020/03/21/coronavirus-les-coulisses-du-bras-de-fer-entre-emmanuel-macron-et-boris-johnson_1782622
 
“Everything was prepared to close the border between France and the United Kingdom on Friday evening. The same morning, Emmanuel Macron called the British Prime Minister, Boris Johnson, to warn him: if he persisted in taking no measures to halt the progression of the coronavirus pandemic on his territory, France would have no other choice to refuse entry to its territory to all travelers from the United Kingdom, that is to say to consider it as a third country. And all the other European states would have done the same, which would have been very bad news for the British economy and the government’s policy of “benign neglect”. “We clearly had to threaten him so that he would finally move.”

Mike Ellwood
Mike Ellwood
Jun 3, 2020 12:58 PM
Reply to  Moneycircus

Thanks for that!

Steve Hayes
Steve Hayes
Jun 3, 2020 11:27 AM
Reply to  Moneycircus

UK home secretary Savid Javid”
 
Priti Patel is the United Kingdom’s Home Secretary.

Moneycircus
Moneycircus
Jun 3, 2020 12:17 PM
Reply to  Steve Hayes

Correct. The ‘ex-‘ got lost in the fun of this new software. Not only is typing sometimes marshmallow sticky but my Mac specializes in random cursor placement )). I am old enough to have typed on triplicate carbon copy paper on a typewriter. It was more accurate.

Cheezilla
Cheezilla
Jun 3, 2020 1:47 PM
Reply to  Moneycircus

It’s not just your Mac (mine’s a pc) and I’m not entirely sure it’s only the software!

Jo Dominich
Jo Dominich
Jun 3, 2020 3:48 PM
Reply to  Moneycircus

Moneycircus I have to correct you on one fact. The majority of child abuse does not and never has occurred in state run children’s homes or state care. The general public are not aware of just how prevalent child abuse is out there not just sexual but physical, emotional and now ever increasing, chronic neglect. There are a number of key factors which include: Step parents (high risk indicator); the proliferation of very well organised and managed national paedophile rings (quite a few involve members who are police, teachers and from other professions); the huge increase in the breakdown of families and extended families through drink and drug abuse and the large increase in the number of parents who are moving on to relationship after relationship and having more children with multiple different partners. There are more. I could provide far more evidence but it is not for this blog.

Arsebiscuits
Arsebiscuits
Jun 3, 2020 12:02 PM
Reply to  Steve Hayes

It was I, Arsebiscuits

Blubber
Blubber
Jun 3, 2020 9:30 AM

“ I would like to see the same rigorous scientific criteria applied as the ones we expect our students to use on a daily basis, in particular the critical assessment of the limitations of the methods and obtained results.”

And this is what being guided by the science SHOULD look like. Instead we have no peer review when it comes to the science TPTB choose to be guided by and the equivalent of scientific trolling posing as peer review in response to any sceptical scientific voices.

In short, the ONLY constant throughout this situation has been the overwhelming inconsistency in the scientific POV. If science is to have any authority it must surely come from adherence to the scientific method first and foremost – protocols, funding transparency, peer review etc. Otherwise what’s the point?

BigB
BigB
Jun 3, 2020 9:28 AM

Pertinent, on the day “Professor Lockdown” Ferguson came clean and admitted that Sweden had achieved broadly the same results as us …without the lockdown.
 
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/06/02/prof-lockdown-neil-ferguson-admits-sweden-used-science-uk-has/

Cheezilla
Cheezilla
Jun 3, 2020 1:36 PM
Reply to  BigB

Considering the article doesn’t mention that most of the fatalities were in care homes, or among immigrants living in crowded conditions, I suspect a smokescreen of some sort.

Paul
Paul
Jun 3, 2020 9:22 AM

I’d love to read an article by Off Guardian on your analysis of the Sage minutes.
It’s frightening what these monsters in government and the science are capable of.
For them to state that they want to use the media to increase a sense of personal threat and to use hard hitting emotional language is evil.
This is a psychological warfare against its own people.
Everyone in the country needs to know this.

kelt
kelt
Jun 3, 2020 10:23 AM
Reply to  Paul

”This is a psychological warfare against its own people.”
 
If the US was calling the shots, no it wasn’t. And actually makes it easier to understand.
 
The IMF have been destroying economies for decades for US corporate take over, but in this case they used a virus instead of debt. so let the fire-sale begin.
 
 

JudyJ
JudyJ
Jun 3, 2020 12:36 PM
Reply to  Paul

This is psychological warfare against its own people

 
The origin of which can be found in this document:
 
https://www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk/sites/default/files/publications/MINDSPACE.pdf
 
The UK Government’s 2011 Influenza Pandemic Preparedness Strategy document (section 5.11) cross-refers to the MINDSPACE publication.
 
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/213717/dh_131040.pdf

Jo Dominich
Jo Dominich
Jun 3, 2020 3:51 PM
Reply to  Paul

Paul, yes I think an article on here would be useful and would get a more public readership.

Moneycircus
Moneycircus
Jun 3, 2020 8:21 AM

Go out and protest – or you’re racist.
(Erase last week’s headline: If you go outside you’re a heartless white supremacist).
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gQr8NG9XwDs
 
 
 

Steve Hayes
Steve Hayes
Jun 3, 2020 9:43 AM
Reply to  Moneycircus

Watching the broadcast news is a spectacle in the art and craft of doublethink. They seamlessly and unselfconsciously move from a segment demanding social distancing to save lives onto a segment praising non-social distancing violent protesters.

kelt
kelt
Jun 3, 2020 10:25 AM
Reply to  Steve Hayes

The double-think is inside your head, this is what democracy looks like.

Jo Dominich
Jo Dominich
Jun 3, 2020 3:55 PM
Reply to  Steve Hayes

Steve I commend you for watching the broadcast news. I can’t do it. Yes it is doublethink as is most of the propaganda to do with CV-19. Whilst in Lidl yesterday I saw a headline, I think the Daily Heil it was, that said WHO are now saying that only 1 metre social distancing is needed which means businesses can get back up and running. I have been systematically working through all my notes I have on CV-19 and the contradictions are many. That’s what happens I guess when so many lies are told the MSM, Politicians and the pseudo-scientists cannot keep up with them so all the anomalies, lies, contradictions etc

Steve Hayes
Steve Hayes
Jun 3, 2020 4:02 PM
Reply to  Jo Dominich

One metre has always been the World Health Organisation’s recommendation. However, it is no more scientific than the two metre rule or any of the other measures. They are all made up. The closest they get to having a scientific basis is computer modelling, which is not science as the outcome of a computer model is nothing more than the mathematically inevitable result of the assumptions.
 
 

kelt
kelt
Jun 3, 2020 10:28 AM
Reply to  Moneycircus

The CIA make terrible videos.

kelt
kelt
Jun 3, 2020 10:40 AM
Reply to  Moneycircus

She is just speaking ‘from her heart’, which just happens to coincide with the CIA’s memes to distract from the real seat of power in the USA, the military, the political/corporate elites and the surveillance state.
 
If you want to stop a revolution, then call the protesters useful idiots. This video is against the political demonstrations, ”You cannot control these things, just accept”, don’t protest, blame bill gates and enemies of the ‘family’. Weird CIA shit.

polistra
polistra
Jun 3, 2020 6:54 AM

We don’t need ANY models, correct or otherwise. Arguing about details is a distraction from the main point.
 
Our immune systems know how to handle viruses, and until this year our public health systems knew how to HELP our immune systems handle viruses. The problem is already solved as well as it can be solved. (In fact ALL problems are already solved, and ALL new “solutions” are guaranteed to be evil.)
 
We didn’t need to do ANYTHING new. As soon as the “authorities” started to imprison entire countries, their purpose became murderously clear. They have stopped doing medicine and public health, and started committing genocide.

Cascadian
Cascadian
Jun 3, 2020 8:22 AM
Reply to  polistra

You seem to be very knowledgeable regarding these issues, perhaps you could provide some detail on the basis of your assertions?

Moneycircus
Moneycircus
Jun 3, 2020 9:27 AM
Reply to  Cascadian

Google is your enemy. You can still use it, however, for a quick ‘n dirty acquaintance with smallpox and polio, which histories tend to illustrate Polistra’s point: they prompted investigation of how immune systems work and what was required to boost that immunity with respect to particular diseases. Both smallpox and polio were solved. In the case of polio, in little over 20 years.
Polistra is right. The subsequent history of vaccines strongly resembles an answer looking in search of a question, a hammer in search of a nail, or an enterprise in search of a profit.
I would add that those enterprises include the military whose research into weaponized viruses and ways to cause fast-acting cancer ran parallel to the polio vaccine research of the 1950s. Using monkey viruses to create cancer.
 
See Ed Haslam and Dr Mary’s Monkey. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=47ZE0StYX3I

Paul too
Paul too
Jun 3, 2020 10:17 AM
Reply to  polistra

I’m getting ‘you’ve already upvoted this comment’ when i haven’t. Guessing a glitch in the new site software but it’s happened this morning on 3 comments i certainly haven’t voted on before.

Paul too
Paul too
Jun 3, 2020 11:22 AM
Reply to  Paul too

Just got a ‘You are not allowed to vote for this comment’ on another!

Nixon Scraypes
Nixon Scraypes
Jun 3, 2020 11:06 AM
Reply to  polistra

Absolutely right polistra. I notice the Trollbirds are Go. Traceyou Island is on operational alert. International Fucyou are on the case. Impossible to post on Colour Revolution. Classic techniques of subverting the dialogue in full display. Offguardian must be getting a bit too near the knuckle.

Brian Sides
Brian Sides
Jun 3, 2020 6:38 AM

UKColumn
https://www.ukcolumn.org/ukcolumn-news/uk-column-news-1st-june-2020
Sage minutes released due to legal challenge
https://www.gov.uk/search/transparency-and-freedom-of-information-releases?keywords=sage&order=relevance
Lockdown Boris violated SAGE advicehttps://www.paulchaplin.life/blog-original/lockdown-boris-violated-sage-advice
 
Up to 18th march Sage were recommending extra measures for over 70’s
cocooning. Informing and letting people decide . No Lockdown
19th – 22nd March SAGE goes dark No admitted meeting or minutes
23rd March Boris Locks Down UK but not based on admitted sage advice
Neil Ferguson’s was part of SAGE but his advice not reflected in Sage Minutes
Sage minutes from 23rd do not recommend Lock Down
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These 3 paragraphs completely destroy the claim of UK Govt to be following the science:

  • Lockdown cannot save those many who are expected to die within a year
  • Lockdown will cause excess deaths

 
No doubt this will be on BBC and SKY news soon NOT

Gezzah Potts
Gezzah Potts
Jun 3, 2020 5:30 AM

Admin😁 First time ever from you guys, but just had an email from asking me to confirm my subscription to OffGuardian.
I assume we have been under DDoS attack again, plus the influx of trolls also. Correct?
Keep fighting the good fight✌️

Mike Ellwood
Mike Ellwood
Jun 3, 2020 8:18 AM
Reply to  Gezzah Potts

Same here Gezzah. I just assumed it was a “feature” of their new interface.

David Ferguson
David Ferguson
Jun 3, 2020 4:51 AM

I’m sorry but neither of these people have a shred of credibility, as I cannot see a single book-lined shelf in the background of the camera shot of either interviewer or interviewee.

Reg
Reg
Jun 3, 2020 6:11 AM
Reply to  David Ferguson

Very droll 😀

Mike Ellwood
Mike Ellwood
Jun 3, 2020 8:38 AM
Reply to  David Ferguson

Well yes, but Prof. Endres has a blackboard behind him, and a well-used blackboard trumps a bookshelf any day of the week!
 
(Neil Ferguson probably still has the original source code of his model on his blackboard).

David
David
Jun 3, 2020 11:05 AM
Reply to  Mike Ellwood

That’ll be one huge blackboard !

sunset
sunset
Jun 3, 2020 2:18 AM

Just been listening to one of James Burke’s amazing books. Now if you are old enough, you’ll recall how this guy was the BBC’s best science and tech figure by far, and then at the height of his popularity, the BBC dropped him like a hot potato.
 
Here’s the puzzler. Burke was a total zionist, and establishment figure who bent his tech history narratives to big up the USA, the jews, the muslims and the british empire. In other words Burke was *perfect* BBC material- yet he was the first high profile “white male” to be chucked off the network (after which he continued to produce material for the Americans).
 
So what was his ‘crime’ (and how does this relate to the article above)? The answer is that Burke was red hot on History and *facts*. For sure, he bent (or selected) facts to serve the usual establishment narrative, but even so he encouraged a comprehensive appreciation of actual history.
 
And *that* was why the BBC had to chuck him. Take the SARS2 false-flag. All the agreed *facts* (masks are the worst idea in the world, social distancing has *zero* basis in science, SARS2 is no worse than an average flu strain) would ill-serve the BBC’s propaganda agenda. The SAGE documents detail how the sheeple are to be manipulated to perceive falsehoods, yet believe these falsehoods were provided by the mass media as confirmed ‘facts’. Like how the catholic church has operated thru its entire history, employing the best specialists who knew the truth about everything, yet using psychology to ensure the average catholic dumb dumb had a set of convenient beliefs that had no basis in anything real or true.
 
The BBC had to shed itself of people like Burke, if it were to promote a drunken illiterate racist cretin like Churchill to a national hero. Which the BBC actual did, as it adopted a project to get the sheeple to finally stop voting Newton as the greatest briton, and choose the war criminal churchill instead.
 
Today the BBC is a fact-free organisation watched by morons who ‘think’ no media outlet is more careful about the truth. Only this form of sea change in how ‘trusted’ media operated could set the stage for a false-flag like the SARS2 ploy. Look at how many idiots today believe in the nonsense of man made climate change, because now there is no-one at the BBC who will point out that we live on the tail end of an Ice Age.
 
This is The Age of Morons. More importantly morons who ‘think’ themselves ‘clever’. And it is these morons that the deep state relies on most of all.
 
So it is ‘obvious’ a mask is a good idea. It is ‘obvious’ that being around a lot of people infected with a virus magnifies the intensity of a virus and hence the likelihood of death (and *not* the simple likelihood of being infected oneself).
 
There must be no James Burke types of repute to prick the idiotic falsehoods.
 
Sadly, when it comes to social control, what the majority believe in becomes the effective reality. If the infinitely vile judaic religions get the mob believing in witches, or the inferiority of ‘black’ Humans, for instance, then we’ll have hundreds of thousands hung or burnt for witchcraft, of tens of millions of africans literally treated as livestock.
 
People like Burke believed in an Age of Reason. Thought that the West was progressing in a constant direction of moral imrovement. For Team Blair, reason is the ultimate enemy. The ‘truth’ has to be whatever Team Blair sez it is.
 
People who pretend the pseudo-scientists selected to sell an establishment lie ever had anything valuable to say – were well-meaning but mistaken- help sail us straight into hell. There is a famosu computer saying- “garbage in, garbage out”. But for the deep state, whatever works is whatever is used, and that need for flexibility means they never want a ‘James Burke’ looking over their shoulder, even when he is a classic british establishment propagandist.
 
The british deep state of today would not have ended slavery- would not have rejected eugenics. For both positions would have been perceived as inflexible dogma. Team Blair knows that the greatest evil is only possible when one works with the greatest freedom.

John Ervin
John Ervin
Jun 3, 2020 5:27 AM
Reply to  sunset

Written with such self-assurance, by you.

And much of it is no doubt true.

One thing I do know is that, just as when I sport my own pet conspiracy theories, I too often find after a month, or a year, or even decades, on a few (embarrassing) occasions, that some of it has been laid on a foundation that has shifted, no doubt due to seismic happenstances, not on account of my own mislaid brick work, of course.

But -“after further review”- some of it has lost solidity.

Judge Learned Hand was an icon at my family’s lawyering dinner table of yesteryear, enough so that I look him up now that you can find all that easily, he was a friend of FDR who wanted him on SCOTUS, but his way was barred by many foes.

He was very influential. He gave a speech after the War called “The Spirit of Liberty” with ten key points or principles. One feature of that glorious spirit, #7 I believe, was proposed as “Never be *too* sure that you are right.”

I quoted that to Erwin Chemerinsky when he had survived a BIG putsch to unseat him as the first Dean of the UCI Law School, by OC’s rabid right wing. He was giving a talk hosted by a group called something like “Americans United for Separation of Church and State.”

I agree with their stance in principle 101% but I suggested we needed a forum in society, all the same, where spiritual and religious matters could be debated and dissected among opposing views points, such as in the wondrous early days of BBC 100 years ago, when George Bernard Shaw, GK Chesterton, and HG Wells went at it, in intellectual slugfests.

My premise was that it is appropriate to keep it out of Congress, but it’s all too unhealthy to closet it away from a civil society, where it festers many more problems than it heals.

Chemerinsky, who taught law at USC quite a while (where my own father – no doubt, I suspect, with early CIA funding when he founded its Tax Institute – was also on the faculty in years before EC) would have nothing to do with my suggestion.

Chemerinsky “had” been something of a hero, as he had defended Joe Wilson and Valerie Plame against that feral Bush crowd, and I was thrilled when he picked my raised hand out of the back row in a big crowd, blonly to really cut me short, although I got some of my premise laid out. He moved away from the whole issue, only returning with a very oblique comment later, sotto voce, parenthetical, “I believe religion should be private.” And then he seguéd back to greener pastures, for him anyway.

Shaw and Wells were the intellrctual nemeses of GKC, the Catholic convert, in public forum broadcasts.

Yet friendly ones, when more civil societies made that more possible, unlike these days, “hélas”!

Yet for all their differences Shaw called Chesterton “a colossal genius” and Wells was overheard at GKC’s funeral saying something like, “I suspect it will be on account of his prayers alone that I may one day arrive in Heaven.”

Just those two comments -alone- with the imprimatur of two contrarian geniuses themselves, provide a reason and charter for such things, deeply enough. Deep enough, I’d say.

When I read slights of the Church, I think of the glorious contributions She has made, just in my ,,own life, with only my own eyes as witnesses.

I was close friends with James Hart McCown, S. J., and he spent his whole life enlarging the scope of Catholic education . His brother Robert was also a Jesuit and taught Shakespeare in China. Fr. Hooty (James) was Flannery O’Connor’s confessor, and she mentions him in her letters for the valued support he gave her. There is a scintillating recent book by Paul Elie, “The Life You Save May Be Your Own” which lays out in the most revealing critical way the intellectual lives of Flannery, Thomas Merton (whose ’68 hidden CIA assassination was reviewed by Ed Curtin here a couple years ago in an essay, “Speaking the Unspeakable”), Walker Percy (another friend and walking companion of Fr. McCown, that wily Jesuit), and Dorothy Day. Pope Francis (S.J.) on his visit to the U.S. singled out Day and Merton, two radicals with wild careening years in their searching youth, as icons for special mention, the only two he mentioned by name.

My own “penitent’s consultant” of many years was the head of the Dominican Preaching Secretariat, after a young career as a Shakespearean actor, and he became a preacher, apparently as a force of nature, spending a half century giving 5 day missions 45 weeks a year, all over, well, everywhere. (He logged, I heard,100, 000 miles a year.)

Also, a recovering alcoholic, but as a leading light of the RC Church’s chief teaching order, the Dominicans, he spent all his life shouting to “dumb dumb” parishioners in his thunderous Iroquois voice (as a former singer as well):

“Stand up and think for yourselves!” And elsewhere, “You think! You don’t just abdicate!”

The message to lay Catholics must have hit home, since one of his confreres that I met by chance after a Cleveland orchestral concert led by Pierre Boulez, told me, when I asked if he knew him, that they had just found out that night in Columbus, at the Pontifical College of St. Joseph, that their Native American preacher of note had passed the late Bishop Sheen in units sold, more tapes bought at the grassroots level than any other preacher. So his message of self-education was a potent one, apparently…

And all of those others I mention were great people of God, like Merton and Day, on a passionate mission to educate us poor “dum dumbs”.

So, I’m not sure where you get your witness to that.

I had met Fr. McCown one day 40 years ago when I stumbled into the SMU lounge, where he was fronting a table for Maya Angelou and Julian Bond books, in the hallway, in advance of their visit.

We had not met, he was around the corner, but I spotted a massive grand piano, and sat down to play classic Scott Joplin Rags. He was drawn from the hallway to the Steinway, with bright eyes and a very genteel Alabamian drawl, “My dear young man, I was born in Mobile in 1910 and that was our music. This was all that we heard. I haven’t heard Gladiolus Rag in 50 years!”

Long story short, he adopted me, and I played for him often.

His young friend Flannery O’Connor addresses the issue of education and the Church’s uncertain relationship with American Catholic artists before she died, at 39, and was inducted as the 2nd writer (after Faulkner) into the Library of America ANTHOLOGIES. You can find her penetrating essays about that in that set, the role of education and art, at nearly all libraries. At least in the U.S. of A.

So I owe my spiritual life to such people -which is to say, all of it that has real lasting value- as their devoted layman, high school dropout, and “self-educated” dumb dumb!

And your screed contained some points that were surprising news, though no doubt researched.

~~~~£4£&$4$+my2¢~~~~~~

“A man can no more have a private religion than he can have a private sun and a private moon.”. ~GKC

“It is typical of a certain timidity in the modern tone that Freedom of Religion might be thought of as a freedom to speak of religion, where in fact hardly anyone is allowed to even mention it.”

-ibid.

“Now a strange thing in the street
Seems every human nod,
Where shift in strange democracy
The million masks of God.’

A favorite line of GKC for Alan Watts, who often mocked the idea of ‘A private Buddha’.

John Ervin
John Ervin
Jun 3, 2020 6:00 AM
Reply to  John Ervin

“A teacher who is not dogmatic is simply a teacher who is not teaching.”. –GKC

Marilyn Shepherd
Marilyn Shepherd
Jun 3, 2020 8:34 AM
Reply to  sunset

In stupid Australia a vaxx pushing former doctor was advising us to act like this was Spanish flu, they did a short documentary about how people behaved and did that again in 2020, That is the sum total of ”medical” advice used here where 99.98% of the population didn’t come within a bulls roar of the virus, 6 million people lost jobs over this brainless nonsense.

Jo Dominich
Jo Dominich
Jun 3, 2020 4:12 PM

Marilyn, the former doctor needs to be sectioned I think! Delusional thoughts about Spanish Flu!

David Ferguson
David Ferguson
Jun 3, 2020 10:10 AM
Reply to  sunset

So it is ‘obvious’ a mask is a good idea.

It’s obvious to me that a mask is a good idea. I live in China. In China they only had a strict lockdown in specific targeted areas, and very limited lockdowns elsewhere, which they started to raise as soon as was prudent to prevent their economy from going into meltdown, which would have done a lot more damage than the virus. They also didn’t bother overmuch with “social distancing”. But from the day the Wuhan emergency was declared, everybody started wearing a mask outdoors.
 
Menawhile the UK had a general lockdown and social distancing, and nobody wore a mask. There have been 60,000 deaths in the UK and 5000 in China. If the death rate iin China had been the same as the UK there would have been 1.2 million deaths.
 
So I’ll go with metadata from 1.4 billion people, common sense, and a mask.

Alessandro
Alessandro
Jun 3, 2020 11:51 AM
Reply to  David Ferguson

and you believe the Chinese data (propaganda)?

Jo Dominich
Jo Dominich
Jun 3, 2020 4:14 PM
Reply to  Alessandro

Alessandro, I definitely do. It’s based on far more evidence than ours is. Just because it’s China it doesn’t mean it’s not valid. You seem to have fallen for the anti-China narrative.

Cheezilla
Cheezilla
Jun 3, 2020 1:26 PM
Reply to  David Ferguson

I think you’ll find the number of deaths is due to a lot of factors that don’t include masklessness.

Jo Dominich
Jo Dominich
Jun 3, 2020 4:09 PM
Reply to  sunset

Hi Sunset, just to add that the Emily Maitlis situation is bizarre as the BBC stated she had breached its rules of strict impartiality. Now this is seriously delusional. Are they saying Laura Kuensberg is in any way impartial and she is the Political Editor. She has her face so far up Boris’ backside she can’t see anything other than the shit she speaks. The BBC went large on public insults of Jeremy Corbyn, didn’t publish his conference speech on their website, stitched him up, in collusion with the MSM, with the Andrew Neil interview. The fact they substituted live footage of the Rememberance Day ceremony in which Boris was clearly drunk and disorientated and totally bullsed it up with one from 2016 in which he was wearing a totally different suit and a different coloured wreath. BBC excuse? Editorial error. There was absolutely no impartiality in any of their reporting. I have a whole dossier here of the distinct lack of it in fact. They are, under Kuensberg as their Political Editor and Fran Unsworth as their now Head nothing more than an apologist for the Government, the promoter of their lies and the State Propaganda Organisation.
 
Good on Emily Maitliss for saying what she said. She has a right to say it. The BBC need to understand what impartiality actually means, in its real sense.

gordon
gordon
Jun 3, 2020 12:57 AM

ferguson pops up with his doom every 6 years running the same script.
the same 25 year old computer code
imperial have taken 100s of millions from gates and big pharma
 
imperial are floating in cash who cares about short term reputation damage
ferguson boy done his job well
 
in the future the medicated vaccinated 5g radiation blasted will forget as memory loss increases
A I will collect many memories so many of your other losses will be captured in super computer.
human harvesting the contents of your mind and as you don not own your body when you snuff it nhs amazon and google will convert you into flavours for pringles
 
did imperial sack ferguson the golden calf
did they authorize this german prof?
 
 
hot air

John Ervin
John Ervin
Jun 3, 2020 5:48 AM
Reply to  gordon

If Professor Lockdown, Ferguson, is a Knight of the Realm, as QE made him for his peculiar Hoof and Mouth fulminations 20 years ago, such titles should be permanently devalued. I mean, considering how much we have suffered for this guy! He ruined whole Industries!

“Pops up with his doom every 6 years”. Nice.

In a tank of water, turds rise to the top. They pop up, just like that. That’s the only comparable phenomenon, to Ferguson.

I’ve read a lot about his “contributions” and this guy is a putrifying travesty, with legs.

Robert Koch
Robert Koch
Jun 3, 2020 12:41 AM

Can we please stop pretending that viruses even exist? Can we please stop legitimising virology as a science? Virology and pharmacology are the biggest frauds ever perpetrated.

Mike Ellwood
Mike Ellwood
Jun 3, 2020 1:14 AM
Reply to  Robert Koch

Some virus heresy from David Crowe and Thomas Cowan:
 
https://infectiousmyth.podbean.com/2020/06/
 

The Infectious Myth – Thomas Cowan on COVID-19 and Germ Theory

Thomas Cowan is a mainstream-educated holistic physician, a man who went to medical school because he knew that there was something wrong with his field of study. He has many years of experience as a holistic physician, applying knowledge about nutrition and other important factors to real health problems. He discusses the COVID-19 catastrophe and other failings of Germ Theory with David.

 

Find out more about Dr. Cowan’s work at: https://www.drcowansgarden.com/pages/about-us

Mike Ellwood
Mike Ellwood
Jun 3, 2020 1:16 AM
Reply to  Robert Koch
sunset
sunset
Jun 3, 2020 2:39 AM
Reply to  Robert Koch

Yes, it’s the ‘flat earthers’ are ‘real’ ploy. Anyhoo, ignoring the dribble, it is a little known fact that the major cause of evolution is viral transmission of genetic material from species to species. For reasons unknown, at key moments in our planet’s history, there have been viral infections that massively changed the genotype of much of the life at that moment. We don’t know how or why- present day viruses rarely do this- but it does happen with genes from animals and plants moving across simply because the animal has a life relationship with the plant.
 
DNA analysis shows ancient viral genetic material present in many species.
 
Natural selection and natural mutation could never explain the rate of evolution in any mathematical model using statistical analysis.
 
Interestingly, when it was first understood that radiation could mutate genes, scientists thought that one would literally see evolution in motion by subjecting very simple life forms with very rapid breeding cycles to such radiation. After all, if the theories of the cause of evolution were true, this would follow. But practical experimentation in the 40s, 50s and 60s produced zero artifical evolution – zero specification.
 
The viruses that exist today are probably a degenerate version of those that were able to move genes rapidly from species to species in some long past age. Science remains puzzled by the very existence of the virus, given that a virus is clearly not alive, but is instead a pure *mechanism*. But when the virus is seen in terms as the mechanism that causes evolution (but only at specific moments in history), then the reason the the virus to exist becomes apparent.
 
PS today we know with total certainty that simple life exists in many places in our Solar Sytem- can actually travel dormant between star systems- and that such simple life was falling on the Earth before the Earth had life of its own (so, *no* life did not independepntly evolve from ‘nothing’ on our planet).

snuffleupagus
snuffleupagus
Jun 3, 2020 8:05 AM
Reply to  sunset

interesting, if true. next time, try providing some references, if you want to be taken seriously.
 
relevance to the topic at hand might also be a good idea, if you don’t want to be mistaken for a disinfo troll.
 

Objective
Objective
Jun 3, 2020 4:17 AM
Reply to  Robert Koch

What is Rabies? What is Myxomatosis? What is HIV? if its not a “virus” what is it, genuine question because i’ve seen death first hand caused by all 3.

Mike Ellwood
Mike Ellwood
Jun 3, 2020 8:31 AM
Reply to  Objective

I don’t know about rabies or myxomatosis, but David Crowe has written and broadcast/podcasted extensively about HIV/AIDS:
 
https://davidcrowe.ca/SciHealthEnv.php
 
See for example his two interviews with Peter Duesberg, who is a well-known expert “dissenter” in the HIV-AIDS field of research.

gordon
gordon
Jun 3, 2020 8:20 PM
Reply to  Objective

we had to destroy the village to save it
 

Dave
Dave
Jun 3, 2020 8:44 AM
Reply to  Robert Koch

Internet search for Louis Pasteur vs Antoine Bechamp.
Also Dr Andrew Kaufman The Rooster in a River of Rats

Loverat
Loverat
Jun 3, 2020 12:40 AM

Im a great fan of Anna Brees work and the stuff she covers. She does training courses for people who wish to use mobile phones to do interviews and film events.

Not met, but you can see she has an amazing care for others and concern for important issues. So much positive energy rarely seen in a person imo.