WATCH: UK Column News – NHS Eye Witnesses

Mike Robinson and Brian Gerrish discuss the economic fallout of the Lockdown, the £300 million spent on track-and-trace and an interview with Piers Robinson discussing the Times’ renewed attacks on the academics researching Douma and the OPCW leaks (more on this coming soon).

Most striking in this segment are three first-hand accounts of patients in NHS hospitals which describe experiences we are already becoming familiar with from many other sources, and that are hard to reconcile with real-world pandemic prevention measures, especially given the acknowledged low level of threat posed by SARS-COV2.

Account 1:

After experiencing serious reoccurring cardiovascular issues during lockdown, I finally contacted my GP this week. However, I was informed by the receptionist that the surgery would only be performing telephone appointments these days, but that there would be no more calls for the rest of the day. It was only 10:30am. I insisted that it was serious, and she then relented and said a doctor would call me later that day.

Later on, the doctor called and informed me that she could book me in for a heart diagnostic but that I would likely have to wait a few months for the appointment because the hospital’s resources were all being focused on COVID pandemic for the foreseeable future. I cannot tell you how devastated I was to hear this. No other options were offered.

What can I do now? With care being rationed to extreme levels, I can only imagine how many other people are being fobbed off like this. Why are we clapping for the NHS if the NHS has closed its doors to potentially millions who are desperate for urgent care? This whole thing makes no sense.

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Account 2

I went to Kings College Hospital (London) for a procedure recently. It was about one third as busy as normal, it felt empty. But whilst waiting in the reception area, overheard a conversation between a private healthcare worker (possibly a contractor) and a NHS worker on reception.

The private healthcare worker was asking questions about how to perform a procedure on an elderly patient. It appeared that maybe some of the staff working at the hospital were being asked to perform procedures without training and having to ask for instructions immediately beforehand. Why is this happening especially since the hospital was the quietest I have ever seen it?
Have the real NHS staff been furloughed?

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And lastly, this one, which arrived too late to be broadcast but which Mike Robinson forwarded to us:

I work for the NHS in mental Health a big Trust in London that support only mental health.

Since Covid and lockdown all the face to face service has been cancelled. Referrals from GP have been stopped and and medical review only done for severe case and mainly via telephone consultation. Patients really unwell are refused to be seen and contacted only via telephone.

The service is underused to its 20% of its capacity. Doctors and personnel being redeployed across the service but not sure doing what, many working from home not really doing much. I kept going to the office all this time of the lockdown and the community service I work for has discouraged all of the service users to come and visit us even if in crisis. After 3 months of this shamble, infection control service came to the building (after 3 months of lockdown) to check for distance in offices. Offices that had 4 or 7 people in the same office, now can have only 2 people.

From Monday we are supposed to have temperature check each time we enter the building and if we refuse we may be refused to enter the building??? We are forced to wear masks inside the office where only staff work together and where service users are prevented from entering the building as when the bell rings we have to ask the matter of the visit and encourage them to go back home???

We are also encouraged to record telephone reviews as face to face which is not the reality of what is happening.

There is not imminent plan to go back to face to face medical consultation and I am so furious about how they are inducing us to believe in fabricated lies and change our behaviour and the way we live and interact forever.

I feel helpless and I can not stand this felling(sic)of being helpless anymore. We need to act quickly before it is too late.

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These personal histories can’t of course, be verified, but they are significant because they form part of a consistency of narrative from health care workers and patients all over the world, which is becoming more than concerning.

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wardropper
wardropper
Jun 16, 2020 12:10 AM

We should probably have in mind that the philosophy behind all such events is a deeply-entrenched Conservative one, and it’s a very old one too: We just let the NHS (and, for that matter, any other public service which doesn’t turn in an immediate profit for lots of shareholders) collapse and go to hell due to chaotic mismanagement, serious underfunding and totally worn-down staff. Then we tell the country’s citizens that the only answer is to trust that we Tories have the only possible solution: The privatization of absolutely everything.
Nowadays this is all accomplished with the greatest of ease, because CoVid is a great excuse behind which to hide anything that enters the heads of us “authorities” to hide.
 

Jo Dominich
Jo Dominich
Jun 16, 2020 6:39 PM
Reply to  wardropper

Hi Wardropper mostly agree with what you say with the exception of one, the NHS is not, I repeat not underfunded. People need to ask where the money they receive is actually being spent.

wardropper
wardropper
Jun 17, 2020 1:18 AM
Reply to  Jo Dominich

Hi, Jo. I certainly don’t disagree with you there. I should have been more precise, and I did mean to point to the underfunding of what actually matters in the NHS: Patient care. The money is, of course, as in the universities, being spent on “administrative” offices and departmental managers, where it contributes little towards patient well-being.

hotrod31
hotrod31
Jun 16, 2020 11:55 PM
Reply to  wardropper

wardropper: You are so right.
I work in the education sector in Sydney, Australia and this conservative ideology of privitisation (by any means necessary) of/for all public assets is staring us in the face, daily.
Just to give a brief example of how this is being done … in-one’s-face and subliminally??
ALL staff and students have been virtually co-opted (bullied, scared) into working from home and not being on campus. If staff do attend their campus, there are forms to be completed on entry, as well as, on exit – all under the guise of ‘showing concern for your welfare’ … etc. etc. Additionally, several months previous – ALL staff were required to download a tracking app onto their mobiles, under the auspices of ‘making it easy to know your college location. So, this means that one needed to have 2 tracking devices – for your safety – of course. There are also legions of ‘cleaners’ traversing throughout the campus buildings (in a campus that received minimal attention prior to the panicdemic) and enough signage – everywhere – to make a Christmas tree blush.

Almondson
Almondson
Jun 15, 2020 2:43 PM

I’ ve been suffering from nasty dental issues throughout the lockdown. Recently I had some time to kill so I decided to call the dentist’s, again… I had called them in early May and had been essentially told “tough cookies, take ibuporfen”. On my first phonecall I asked them whether the order to stop working had come form the government and they said it had come from the medical authority.

Anyway , after I explained (again) the problem to the person answering calls ( who was utterly clueless on dentistry) I was called back some hours later. The first thing I was asked by the dentist on the phone was if I have coronavirus, followed by a couple more questions that were essentially the same question. It was obvious this person was reading from a script, and I wonder why they asked these questions since we both knew I was not going to be seeing a dentist any time soon, therefore it had nothing to do with the safety of the dentist. I suppose they are doing what they can to collect any shreds of “evidence” so as to count as many “covid” cases as possible.
 
This is a rude awakening. I despise the inhuman medical establishment and am appalled to realize what they have done to me and to humanity in general. Injected and dosed with their poisons from age 1 !!!! I hope the ghouls who prescribed the injection of babies knowing it is poison will have nightmares for the rest of their pathetic lives.
 
NO CONSENT.

rachel
rachel
Jun 17, 2020 11:37 PM
Reply to  Almondson

try brushing gently with salt n eating lots of fruit n salad.

Objective
Objective
Jun 15, 2020 12:57 PM

I’m noticing something alarming, depending which country my VPN uses some sites are firewalled. Nordic countries particularly dont seem to like Off-G, but Ireland is one of the worst censors blocking UK column & many other “controversial” sites, but seems ok with off-G.
 
Anyone else have that experience?

wardropper
wardropper
Jun 16, 2020 12:16 AM
Reply to  Objective

I’ve found access to a couple of sites rather slow for the last two days – without VPN – but I do get through in the end. Probably a few little experiments by the “authorities”, just to check that everything works ok…

Lost in a dark wood
Lost in a dark wood
Jun 15, 2020 1:09 AM

I presume this has been posted here already, but I think it’s a vitally important video.
 
https://www.activistpost.com/2020/06/problem-reaction-solution-how-covid-19-leads-to-global-governance-complete-control.html
 
The Great Reset Plan Revealed: How COVID Ushers In The New World Order
Activist Post – June 6, 2020
By Spiro Skouras
 
For months we have seen our way of life change dramatically. We have been told time and time again things will never be the same and we must accept the new normal.
Now the social engineers have revealed their hand and have officially launched their solution to this crisis. The proposed solution is the Great Reset.
In this report we examine what exactly is the great reset and who is involved. We also explore what the Great Reset means for humanity as we face unprecedented times.
 
Now is the time for a ‘great reset’
. . . .weforum.org/agenda/2020/06/now-is-the-time-for-a-great-reset/
World Economic Forum and UN Sign Strategic Partnership Framework
. . . .weforum.org/press/2019/06/world-economic-forum-and-un-sign-strategic-partnership-framework/
The Great Reset
. . . .youtube.com/watch?v=pfVdMWzKwjc&t=1519s
What is the Fourth Industrial Revolution?
. . . .youtube.com/watch?v=kpW9JcWxKq0
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6pzXrEBqR0
 

Gezzah Potts
Gezzah Potts
Jun 15, 2020 7:46 AM

Appreciate these links Lost. I stumbled across Spiro maybe 6 weeks ago, but lots of other links being posted by other commenter also, and, my phone data is prepaid, which means I have to limit the amount of videos I watch.
This one is only 22 mins long, which is good!
Wrench In The Gears blog has also done excellent work on where things are heading viz the Global Reset and the Fourth Industrial revolution on the horizon.

Philippe
Philippe
Jun 15, 2020 3:35 PM

Chilling.
 
Especially the part where the woman calmly announces that, when they can read people’s thoughts and emotions, people will need a safe space to think in case they are worried about what they are thinking about. She didn’t say ‘if’; she said ‘when’.
 
I never paid much attention to the trans-humanism agenda. It has my full attention now.
 
I’m beginning to suspect that ‘they’ are using 1984 as an instruction manual, rather than taking it as the warning it was meant to be. Moreover, with the technology now available, it appears they can transcend anything Orwell was able to imagine in terms of how the Thought Police might operate.

wardropper
wardropper
Jun 16, 2020 12:30 AM
Reply to  Philippe

Of course they also have the advantage of a great deal of literature written AFTER Orwell’s prophetic work. To think I actually remember a time when “1984” was a horror story which couldn’t possibly happen here… The “authorities” really should look at other stories, like John Wyndham’s “The Midwich Cuckoos”, if they want to see themselves in a mirror. That’s another instruction manual in how to become sub-human…

Philippe
Philippe
Jun 16, 2020 6:11 AM
Reply to  wardropper

Good point.

Microchips rather than aliens. Get them while they’re young!

Your comment also prompted a memory of The Stepford Wives. Maybe trans-humanism aims to turn us all into compliant, contented and above all pacified … I was going to use the word ‘individuals’, but of course that would be the diametric opposite of what we would have become. So, let’s go with automatons.

This particular rabbit hole is extremely uncomfortable and not one I would even have considered only a short time ago. If nothing else, this ‘crisis’ has changed us in ways we could not have foreseen. Perhaps we are overreacting and time will show such speculation is/was nonsense. We’ll shake our heads and ask how we could even have considered such a ridiculous scenario. As foolish as I might feel at that point, I’d take that over the alternative.

wardropper
wardropper
Jun 16, 2020 5:07 PM
Reply to  Philippe

The Stepford Wives is indeed a very apt comparison. With regard to “Groupthink”, that tendency in some people is a throwback to a time when we had basically not evolved to a truly human stage, and our sense of belonging to the world at all was rooted in the same self-preservation impulse as animals possess – that very sense of group.
It seems to me that we are getting to the point where there is a sort of 50-50 balance between those who have arrived at a sense of individual identity, and those who simply couldn’t survive without belonging to a group. It is obviously the latter who are most vulnerable to exploitation by unscrupulous “individuals”, although that term is not entirely appropriate to those who have willingly sold their souls for money and power. They have a groupthink of their own.
Today I saw a picture of a school playground, where 4 sq. metre squares were marked on the ground, with 2 metres between them, and the kids were limited to their individual square in order to “play”. Frankly, at least for me, a world like that just isn’t worth living in, and I don’t see how any rational person can call this scenario anything other than ridiculous nonsense – to use your words.
The “authorities” along with their obvious contempt for the intelligence of the huge numbers of people who DO see this for what it is, are currently an insult to our species. They might as well have been bred specially to carry out their horrid acts of sabotage upon us all, or at least their sheer numbers in current positions of influence are a cause for grave concern.

Jo Dominich
Jo Dominich
Jun 16, 2020 6:46 PM
Reply to  wardropper

Wardropper, the question that TPTB are not answering and the MSM not asking is, how long are these measures intended to last? Such as it being compulsory to wear masks on public transport. It looks as though social distancing is going to end in July but what about everything else. When are the Dentists going to re-open, when are hospitals going to re-open etc. That’s when we will know what is to come. There are omens, two weeks ago it was announced that, instead of the Coronavirus Act being monitored in Parliament every 21 days that had gone up to every 28 day. Not a peep from the MSM. Just slipped in under the radar. Not a peep of dissent from that idiot, Starmer. It’s creeping slowly but surely until we do something to stop it.

wardropper
wardropper
Jun 17, 2020 1:34 AM
Reply to  Jo Dominich

I am lucky enough to be currently living in Iceland, where the dentists went back to work a couple of weeks ago. Some shills for the “authorities” in the US and UK are trying to make out that in some countries the situation is far more perilous than in others, but I’m not buying it. This virus has achieved prominence well beyond its abilities.

Philippe
Philippe
Jun 17, 2020 7:28 AM
Reply to  wardropper

Visited Iceland about 20 yrs ago. Great place. I even got used to the all-pervading smell of sulphur. That was a shock the first time I had a shower (in Reykjavik where the water comes from those huge storage cisterns on the hill).
 
I have a good friend, of Norwegian extraction, who is a geologist there.
 
Was seriously considering moving there a few years ago, but now looking at warmer places. Getting too old for the climate, although the all-night parties at midsummer and midwinter would have tempted me in my younger days 🙂

wardropper
wardropper
Jun 17, 2020 5:25 PM
Reply to  Philippe

I miss the warmth of my earlier life in the southern UK and in the USA, but there are other kinds of warmth than the purely physical ones, and on a sunny June day, like today, Iceland is unbeatable. Still, the summers are really far too short for my liking…
On topic, I think I can detect a certain amount of stress in the expressions of some of the experts who come on TV here to talk about CoVid, as if there is pressure on them to say things which they are not entirely comfortable with saying, but, on the whole, I reckon we’re doing okay compared with most of our European neighbours.
I took a walk in downtown Reykjavik yesterday, and I can’t remember seeing a single mask! Bottles of hand disinfectant are everywhere, and the 2-metre reminders painted onto the floor haven’t been removed yet, but many people are ignoring them. Of course the TV “experts” have to keep warning people to be careful, mainly because they want to keep their arses covered if there should happen to come an apocalyptic “second wave”, but that isn’t going to happen. The science against it is too solid – and there wasn’t really even a first wave in any case…
 

Philippe
Philippe
Jun 17, 2020 6:25 PM
Reply to  wardropper

I don’t know if it’s still there but I remember going to the Hard Rock Cafe and eating a ‘pig sandwich’ aka a loaf containing half a pig. Like a snake, it took me about a month to digest.

Re the ‘experts’ I think you make a good point. I’ve noticed the same thing when Johnson makes his pronouncements. I’m certainly not a fan of his but it does look as though he’s under duress. Not that he deserves any credit for being coerced. UK Column have recently presented some interesting evidence concerning who is really running country.

The fewer people wearing masks the better. If those wearing them perceive themselves to be in a minority, I believe that will bother them. Herd instinct is hard for some people to overcome. If it seems that the herd is moving in a different direction, perhaps they will feel compelled to join in. It’s doing the right thing for the wrong reasons but at this stage we can’t afford to be picky.

As for the ‘second wave’, I do have to wonder. If we accept the ‘first wave’ was planned then why not a planned second? Perhaps that is why Beijing is locking down. Fauci has a lot to answer for.

What we need is another Nuremberg, but I would bet the mortgage money that it will never happen. A lot of people should go to prison for a long time. Maybe in a parallel universe.

wardropper
wardropper
Jun 17, 2020 7:55 PM
Reply to  Philippe

I say we should just keep collecting evidence. Nuremberg II might take a long time to get its act together, but the human race has no future along the path it is currently following… I’m certain that any “second wave” would be as planned as the first, inasfar as the media would milk it for all they’re worth, until we all just want to die…
Yes the Hard Rock Cafe is still there, open 5 – 9 pm, and with live music! Too noisy for me, but the food was good last time I was there!
 
 

Philippe
Philippe
Jun 17, 2020 9:30 PM
Reply to  wardropper

I agree. On weight of evidence – real evidence – a lot of people would do time.

Following this Beijing situation with interest. They don’t have the same get outs as last time ie “we didn’t know it was serious” (their words, not mine) so it will be instructive to see how they explain the spread to the west. If that happens of course.

Re the HRC, glad some things don’t change 🙂

Philippe
Philippe
Jun 16, 2020 9:14 PM
Reply to  wardropper

Can’t find fault with anything you wrote (not that I want to, but you know what I mean).
 
It’s a strange dichotomy.
 
The individuals are, as you pointed out, the ones who seem to be aware of what is going on; whereas the ‘herd’ tend to follow the leader. I’m not using herd in a derogatory sense here – it’s just a difference in levels of dependence.
 
However, it seems to me that survival (trying not to be too melodramatic here) lies in communities. In any given existential crisis, the individual has little chance on his own. An individual can be picked off at will, separated from the herd as he is. It is only in community that the odds of survival increase, as our history as a species tends to indicate.
 
So how do we achieve that level of community, whilst maintaining our individuality, in the current landscape? Trying to explain the situation to mask-wearers is almost a waste of time. I usually get references to either Trump or Icke thrown back at me almost immediately – hats off to the media for embedding those tropes.
 
So what do we do? As of right now, we read and post on this site, because we know we’ll find like-minded people who will help us to refine our understanding of what is going on – a senate of the sane, if you will. Even if we don’t all agree on everything (which would be dangerous, leading to the groupthink you identified), we are at least mostly civil and accommodating of the views of others. But whilst that may help us as individuals to maintain a sense of perspective, it won’t help us when the shit hits the fan. It’s in the air and travelling fanward at a rated of knots already.
 
It would be nice to think that our powers of persuasion are such that eventually, the mask-wearers will come to their senses under the logic and strength of our arguments and we’ll all live happily ever after. But we don’t have time for that. Therefore, I intend desisting in my attempts to point out the fallacies of mask-wearing, social distancing etc to those in thrall to the system. I will, henceforth, concentrate my efforts instead on coalescing a ‘hard core’ of sensible friends and relatives with a view to providing mutual support, be that material, physical or psychological, when the fan gets what’s coming to it.
 
Whatever happens, I have no intention of allowing Bill Gates to inject anything into me, I have no intention of getting an immunity passport (probably dependent upon vaccination anyway) and I will certainly not be wearing a mask. My community will share those views. If enough people can gather such communities around them, it will be harder for ‘them’ to ride roughshod over us. Who knows, we may even achieve critical mass and tip the scales the other way. But, we won’t if we don’t at least try.
 
ps I agree absolutely re the situation in some schools. It’s heartbreaking. Children need to interact all of the time. What they are doing is akin to child abuse. Insidious does not even begin to cover it.

wardropper
wardropper
Jun 17, 2020 1:29 AM
Reply to  Philippe

I agree likewise with all you say. My aversion to groupthink is, as I am sure you realize, far from being an aversion to community enterprises, where people with different opinions can still work together for the greater good. I would define groupthink as cult-like in its essential nature of seeing only one right way of doing things, usually under the leadership of a despot.

Philippe
Philippe
Jun 17, 2020 5:13 AM
Reply to  wardropper

Absolutely.

Read a fascinating book a few years ago called The Wisdom of Crowds by James Surowiecki.

Despite the implicit message in the title, it was a convincing demonstration of how groupthink is detrimental to good decision making; the premise being that a diverse group which includes non SMEs tend to make better decisions than a group solely composed of experts.

He drew on examples from boardrooms to NASA to support his argument. Well worth a look.

In the same vein, The End of Average by Todd Rose, is another I’d recommend. This one dispels the myth of the concept of statistical average when applied to people, using some surprising examples that would never have occurred to me.

Both are pertinent under the current circumstances.

Jo Dominich
Jo Dominich
Jun 17, 2020 1:42 PM
Reply to  Philippe

Hi Phillipe, I wholeheartedly agree with you. The way forward is for like minded communities to get together. Like you I have no intention of taking any vaccine, mask or identity passport. I wonder whether, once furlough comes to an end and it is known just how many unemployed there will be although there are millions more already, whether the narrative amongst the sheeple mask wearers might change when they find themselves in a no job situation or in dire straights financially. Like you say, if enough, however small, communes of people get together and act together then the balance may well be tipped. Let’s hope so because the shit is now travelling close to light speed.

Philippe
Philippe
Jun 17, 2020 2:09 PM
Reply to  Jo Dominich

Indeed. It’s a bad time to be a fan with the amount of shit incoming.
 
It’s a good point re the manner in which the economic situation will perhaps change the views of the mask cheerleaders. I have noted, amongst the people I’ve spoken to, that the biggest proponents for lockdown, masks etc are those who have retired ie they have no skin in the game anymore. I know a few younger people who are buying into the mayhem, but they are in relatively secure employment so, again, are not and will not be materially affected.
 
If the lockdown in Beijing is anything to go by, we should be expecting ‘them’ to launch their ‘second wave’ at us fairly soon, so maybe the mask mafia won’t have time to consider the error of their ways and will, instead, enjoy telling the rest of us how right they were all along.
 
I will definitely be social distancing the shit out of those people.

Jo Dominich
Jo Dominich
Jun 17, 2020 5:46 PM
Reply to  Philippe

Hi Phillipe, 2nd wave be damned! I don’t believe there will be one largely because I don’t believe there has been a first one!! Just the thoughts of one loony conspiracy theorist!
 
I think China know this is bio warfare being wrought on them and are taking immediate action to curtail its effects.
 
I think you are right about the demographic of the mask wearers, those that have nothing to lose. What surprises me is the number of under 40yrs who are wearing them. As our Chief Medical Officer and WHO said, younger adults are not at risk from it. 90% of the population will not get it and those who do, will have only very mild symptoms. So,why the masks? Gosh, the power of mass hysteria and propaganda over facts is frightening.
 
Like you, I go out of my way to steer clear of these masked crusaders for fear of catching the virus called bullshit.

Philippe
Philippe
Jun 17, 2020 6:35 PM
Reply to  Jo Dominich

🙂 Definitely don’t want to go down with bullshit!

Unfortunately their waves, be that first or second, don’t require our belief. They have plenty of people buying into it – enough to achieve whatever their objectives may be. I always thought that if Covid 1984 was a bio-weapon, it was a bit shit. Perhaps their next one won’t be. Who knows?

Mass hysteria is unfortunately predictable if certain conditions are met. It’s like clockwork. Facts are irrelevant. It’s the narrative that counts. It’s the reason companies have such large advertising budgets. A sad indictment of what we have become.

Jo Dominich
Jo Dominich
Jun 18, 2020 11:33 AM
Reply to  Philippe

Phillipe, it is indeed a sad indictment.

Steve Hayes
Steve Hayes
Jun 16, 2020 2:47 PM
Reply to  Philippe

A couple of years ago, the Korea Institute of Science and Technology demonstrated the ability to control the perceptions and thoughts of mice and thereby control their behaviour. They did this using a technology called optogenetics, which involves implanting fibre optics into the brain and then using on/off to control neural activity. Given the closeness of the biology of mice and humans, I fear that it is only a matter of time before this technology is applied to human beings, assuming it has not already been done.

Philippe
Philippe
Jun 16, 2020 3:48 PM
Reply to  Steve Hayes

Terrific.

I wonder how many people, saturated with Avengers, Transformers, X-Men, superhero etc movies will be queueing up to get that sort thing implanted in the hope of developing some kind of superpower.

Of course, there won’t be enough magic implants for everybody – at least not everybody around today – so they either relegate everybody else to what they would see as an underclass (although I prefer the term human), or they kill an awful lot of people over a short period of time – let’s say 1 or 2 generations.

I wonder what mechanism would be able to achieve that globally, in one hit, without raising too many alarm bells amongst the general population. It would have to be sold to them as something beneficial and it would have to be mandatory 🤔

Steve Hayes
Steve Hayes
Jun 16, 2020 4:11 PM
Reply to  Philippe

They are already experimenting with this technology in primates. https://www.pnas.org/content/116/52/26195
In the light of the coronavirus responses, one thing I would note is the technology’s use of viral vector for gene transmission. A vaccine for a virus (the coronavirus) would obviously involve the administration of a virus.

Philippe
Philippe
Jun 16, 2020 4:49 PM
Reply to  Steve Hayes

So essentially two birds with one stone.
 
I read the abstract of the article and down into the text a bit but haven’t read it all yet.
 
Hypothetically, if this (perfected) viral vector were delivered to everybody everywhere in a vaccine, would it be possible for ‘them’ to induce different outcomes on a targeted basis?
 
For instance, if they want some people to survive (under their control, obviously), they induce response a; whereas if they want others to die, they induce response b?
 
If that’s possible, how could those outcomes be induced on a global scale? You’d need a widespread control net of some sort – maybe disguised as a communications network. I suppose in areas where geography and population distribution make said net unviable, you could use satellites instead, although you’d probably need a few thousand.
 
I’ll sleep safer at night knowing that nothing like that has been planned or instal … what? Oh.

Steve Hayes
Steve Hayes
Jun 17, 2020 10:35 AM
Reply to  Philippe

In terms of this technology – I have no idea how advanced it is. The technology in terms of mice is clearly advanced enough to control perception and thoughts and thereby behaviour. However, primates have much more complex brains, which obviously presents serious difficulties, as the article makes clear. Moreover, whilst it is doubtless easy to find scientists who are prepared to conduct such experiments on mice, it is much more difficult to find scientists who are prepared to do so on macaques or any primates, as they would be unethical. Thus, to sell it to scientists, the experiments have to be presented as having health applications, rather than control: hence the focus of the article. However, given what we know about military research past activities, it does not seem unlikely that there is secret military research in this area, none of which would be published.
 
So here’s a possible “conspiracy theory” – Optogenetics has been advanced by secret research, funded by governments and Bill Gates, et al, to the point where it can control human behaviour precisely. The hysterical fear-mongering response to the coronavirus is designed to create a situation in which people across the globe willing accept the “need” to be vaccinated against the virus. The “vaccine” includes the viral vector to control the genes and neural responses of the “patient” – billions of them. Hey presto! The ruling elite have total control over the rest of humanity, forever.
 
Unlike the many conspiracy theories on this topic that I have heard, this one has the merit of providing the ruling elite with a worth while reward. Nevertheless, it sounds like science fiction to me. A plot that Michael Crichton would have made into a best seller.

Philippe
Philippe
Jun 17, 2020 11:08 AM
Reply to  Steve Hayes

Good points re the ethics and persuading (ethical) scientists to undertake the research and hence the promoted sensorimotor neuron disease and Parkinsons applications. As you point out though, research conducted by ‘other’ scientists – the ones that the Gates of this world always seem to attract – wouldn’t need to justify itself.
 
My position tends to be however far along any given technology is claimed to be, it is usually far beyond that point. Maybe I’m just cynical, maybe not.
 
Your ‘conspiracy theory’ definitely has merit, I think. As I mentioned yesterday though, on top of the control benefits it would bring to them, some sort of ‘kill switch’ would be hugely convenient, given what we know of their de-population agenda. If they aren’t going to murder people directly (even the dimmest mask wearer might sit up and take notice of that), then a means of remotely ‘switching people off’ on an industrial scale, at a time of their choosing, would do the job very nicely.
 
Crichton would definitely have done it justice! 🙂

Philippe
Philippe
Jun 17, 2020 11:41 AM
Reply to  Steve Hayes

As a postscript to my last response, it just occurred to me that there is a fictional precedent for what I described, or at least similar in scope.
 
Cell, by Stephen King relates the story of a signal sent out to every mobile phone which caused those using their phones to essentially go mad and start attacking everybody around them. The signal was constant so if anybody used their phone subsequent to the initial ‘attack’, they would still fall prey to the madness. I won’t go through the entire plot. Fascinating concept though.
 
Now, take cell phones out of the equation, insert the technology you described and add 5G as the signal generator.
 
It seems King beat Crichton to it (although I think Crichton was already dead at that point).

tonyopmoc
tonyopmoc
Jun 14, 2020 9:24 PM

Joe Quinn’s views on this – on which I almost totally agree with
 
https://www.sott.net/article/436327-Everything-You-Think-You-Know-About-Coronavirus
 
In other news, well they are verbally beating up John Goss on Craig Murray’s blog…so I wrote this…they won’t publish it
 
“I don’t have a problem with Craig Murray. I think he is a very brave man of great integrity…
 
But why the hell are so many of the commenters verbally beating up John Goss, simply because you do not agree with his point of view…
 
He used the word “nasty” about some of the verbal attacks on him, and I think some of you, have actually met him.
 
I think John Goss is a highly intelligent man of great integrity, and I completely agree with his views on this. He is standing on steady ground of well documented facts.
 
Be nice to him. He is always very polite to you. You don’t have to agree with him, but why not just debate the facts, rather than personally attack him
 
I know I am banned here, but I don’t mind that. I have banned myself from Facebook too..but I might be back if they let us out again, and you recover from the brain virus in your heads.
 
You know who you are.”
 
https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2020/06/coronavirus-only-an-anecdote/#respond
 
Tony
 
 
 

Tony
Tony
Jun 14, 2020 9:45 PM
Reply to  tonyopmoc

John Goss went head-to-head with the dickhead former moderator Clark (who has his tongue so far up Craig Murray’s arse, it tickles Craig’s tonsils). That eventually becomes a death sentence on Craig’s btl.

tonyopmoc
tonyopmoc
Jun 14, 2020 11:53 PM
Reply to  Tony

Tony, I have seen this before in 1999. which is why I have never volutereered to be moderator on a blog (especially for free).

They are usually spotty young kids, who now think they are god, and can now delete anything you write and totally ban you, if they really do not like your opinions conflicting with their Dad’s.

I thought Wow, when my 13 year old son deleted what I wrote (anonymously – though he knew it was me) on his blog.

I was just trying to calm Stormy Daniels down. Her kid had been playing computer games with my son in the USA, about the year 2000.

She wanted to send her son to war. She wanted him to join the US Army.

I had absolutely no effect, so he probably did.

My lad doesn’t do that – well not beyond laser shows and paintballs.

He doesn’t moderate anyone either unless they continually over several months refuse to pay their bills.

If he didn’t cut them off, his one man band company would go bust, and he wouldn’t have any money to be able to buy food to feed his wife and kids.

He pays all his taxes, and unlike me has never been on the dole.

Tony

molloy
molloy
Jun 15, 2020 12:13 PM
Reply to  tonyopmoc

Re. “They are usually spotty young kids, who now think they are god, and can now delete anything you write and totally ban you, if they really do not like your opinions conflicting with their Dad’s.”
 
Well, perhaps spare a thought (or more)?
Zimbardo. Prisoners and guards?
Deliberate polarisation-divisiveness?
Deliberate confusion “right-left”?
Coercion? Stockholm? Acting under orders?
Whose children are being bombed?
Whose elderly family are being killed?
Why is there wall to wall psyops against the public?
Who benefits from distraction and diversion?

George Mc
George Mc
Jun 15, 2020 9:28 AM
Reply to  Tony

I always suspected it was the other way round with Craig and Clark. Clark is such an aggressively manipulative entity that I tend to only skim over his comments for health reasons i.e. he tends to drag you down into his mind-bending whirlpool. He sunk the 9/11 thread and then had the audacity to try and start up his own. I tend to see Craig as the puppet here.

molloy
molloy
Jun 15, 2020 12:00 PM
Reply to  George Mc

 

molloy
molloy
Jun 15, 2020 12:02 PM
Reply to  George Mc

…that went off too soon!
Might “Clark” be the handler?

George Mc
George Mc
Jun 15, 2020 2:00 PM
Reply to  molloy

Indeed – or perhaps Clark is the mole and Craig is the patsy?

Tony
Tony
Jun 15, 2020 11:34 PM
Reply to  molloy

Clark always takes the Establishment line on everything. His big one is XR, which we all know to be an establishment astroturf. He went on the last march that was in support of Julian Assange, as did I and my son. He got to hob nob with Craig Murray and the other leading protesters, and was treated to a free dinner with them at Craig’s expense later on. But I have only ever seen him reference Julian by using his plight to segue into an advertorial into XR or to make very bland approvals. He’s an infiltrator, 100%. Craig is a fragile character. He is 100% on the side of right, but his fragility has allowed infiltration by dark forces.

wardropper
wardropper
Jun 16, 2020 12:45 AM
Reply to  Tony

That’s my feeling about Murray too. Seems to have had an excellent upbringing and education, but that can sometimes lead one to overlook the existence of a couple of sneaky bullies, along with the rampant evil which surrounds us today, of course. His energy and courage are nonetheless inspiring.

JudyJ
JudyJ
Jun 14, 2020 11:06 PM
Reply to  tonyopmoc

Well done, Tony. You have my utmost respect for your sense of fairness and opposition to what amounts to gratuitous bullying.

JudyJ
JudyJ
Jun 15, 2020 12:16 AM
Reply to  tonyopmoc

Further to my comment at 11.06 pm 14 June, I have just made the mistake of looking at CM’s blog to see the depth of critical thinking going on there. I could only look through half of the comments on the final page on the latest thread before giving up. I had been tempted to chip in but decided better of it. What would be the point? Most of the people on there are expounding completely brainwashed comments and base their confidence in lockdown entirely on conjecture and the fallacious post hoc ergo propter hoc principle that numbers of cases dropped after lockdown so it must have been because of lockdown.
 
The final straw for me was when they linked to videos of an obnoxious moron going by the name of ZDoggMD who based his condemnation of the Elmhurst nurse (Erin) on the fact that she was an anti-vaxxer and had filmed and recorded people without their permission (I think he missed the clue in the description of her as ‘undercover’). He claimed to have been contacted by “many, many medics” who were angry about her allegations but, very conveniently, none of them would present their cases publicly “because they are professionals”.
 
I’m so glad I don’t torture myself anymore by looking regularly at the blog!

George Mc
George Mc
Jun 15, 2020 9:33 AM
Reply to  JudyJ

I totally agree re: the CM blog. I am convinced that the majority of commenters are paid up trolls. (Indeed – I even think that’s the reason the blog exists in the first place!) I just love it when they play the old heartstrings card e.g. “How dare you doubt this virus! My entire family have just been wiped out by this plague! I held a month-old baby in my arms and watched it cough itself to death as the evil cloud of COVID hovered above!” etc.

wardropper
wardropper
Jun 16, 2020 12:51 AM
Reply to  George Mc

I very much agree.
I died two months ago myself from this terrible virus, so I should know…

George Mc
George Mc
Jun 16, 2020 8:35 AM
Reply to  wardropper

I sometimes think we all died 12 weeks ago. And even if the lockdown stopped I think there are many who would be afraid to come out now. It’s like a mass Stockholm Syndrome.

wardropper
wardropper
Jun 16, 2020 12:49 AM
Reply to  JudyJ

Most blogs, including Murray’s, are prone to inane commentary – probably a habit learned from YouTube, where the ignorance can be truly breathtaking. But the articles he puts out on the blog are, in my view, entirely worthwhile, even if one isn’t always in 100% agreement with everything he says.

George Mc
George Mc
Jun 16, 2020 8:38 AM
Reply to  wardropper

You get to know the names worth reading and the ones who are not. Re: the latter, even skimming can be deadly since you tend to feel “Right! I’m not going to put up with that!” and you’re already typing in an angry reponse before you stop yourself and think, “What am I doing!” and you pull bcak from another interminable pointless bickering match with pricks who aren’t worth yout time.

wardropper
wardropper
Jun 16, 2020 5:13 PM
Reply to  George Mc

That’s valuable advice, George, and valid for any site one visits.

Eminency
Eminency
Jun 15, 2020 10:07 AM
Reply to  tonyopmoc

I know I am banned here

 
Then how come they let you post?
Your comment is off-topic and low quality. You appear to be baiting an argument from some unknown enemy who lives on some other blog.
Do you realise how this makes you look?
Now, Tony, as you’re so keen for us to know your name, do you think your time could be better used elsewhere?
What I mean to say is, could you be doing this on your own personal blog and not spamming here? I really think it would improve the quality of your contribution to be somewhere else.

JudyJ
JudyJ
Jun 15, 2020 11:02 AM
Reply to  Eminency

Then how come they let you post?

 
@Tonyopmoc wrote the post to express his indignation in defence of John Goss and it is, effectively, addressed to the moderators on Craig Murray’s website. He actually says that “they won’t publish it”.
 
From their comments and the way they express themselves, it is evident that @Tonyopmoc and @John Goss (who also posts on here) are both men of integrity and compassion. Whilst not wanting to appear patronising, it seems to me that Tony gets much satisfaction and comfort, like many of us on here, in exchanging thoughts and life experiences with other commenters here who we think of as friends in a world where isolation is now the order of the day.
 
Many of us (myself included) indulge in going off topic occasionally but as long as it doesn’t dominate a thread there is little harm done; it just reflects the normal pattern of thought and discussion and is not necessarily to be condemned. Many of us now regard Tony’s posts as institutional to OffG. I personally look forward to Tony’s latest daily musings! They are often a ray of light in a very dark world, even if they are OT. 😀
 
 
 
 

Jo Dominich
Jo Dominich
Jun 15, 2020 6:12 PM
Reply to  JudyJ

Judyj fully supported.

Daniel Spaniel
Daniel Spaniel
Jun 14, 2020 7:51 PM

I’m hoping Patrick Henningsen is having a well-deserved holiday this weekend, and nothing sinister about the lack of Sunday Wire this weekend. Maybe Basil Valentine is partying with him after the great win for Kameko last weekend in the 2,000 Guineas.

Jack
Jack
Jun 14, 2020 6:46 PM

 
The following article claims there are two distinct versions of Covid-19, the Wuhan strain and the Euro-American strain.
 
http://www.preearth.net/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=1184
 
It seems the Euro-American strain of Covid-19 had already spread worldwide long before Wuhan.
 
The Wuhan strain (just like SARS before it) is dangerous, especially to the elderly, but not particularly contagious, whereas, the Euro-American strain is quite contagious, but not particularly dangerous.
 
If classified, the Euro-American strain would be classed as another strain of the common cold. Because it wasn’t dangerous the Euro-American strain spread worldwide without being noticed.

hope
hope
Jun 14, 2020 7:56 PM
Reply to  Jack

First, I think that there is a virus at all at play has not been veritably evidenced. That is the first question that needs answering. Factors behind an epidemic are complex.
If its not a virus, and if contagiousness is not an issue, then this would point to other factors. For instance one would then try to ask oneself what changes have been made to our environment in the last decades, changes that may be affecting at least those with a fragilised immune system, and hence possibly in the long run more and more people.
I havent much followed if chemicals of a totally different category were introduced in recent decades, but one thing that has progressively become pervasive since the 90s are
manmade electromagnetic radiation, which you cant now avoid anywhere. Now its known since 2015 that these differ from natural EMR (e.g. light) in at least two fundamental ways:
it is polarised, whereas the latter is not, and it is not quantized (i.e. made of photons), while the latter is. Some of the adverse ways they therefore affect us at cellular level have also since then been found.
Im not saying there is any connection with EMRs, Im not saying there is no virus either, all Im saying unless we investigate dispassionately and properly we wont know.
 
Scientific understanding is slow, takes time, and also these investigations need money:
will grant bodies fund such studies and risk the entire official scenario disproved, its very assumption disproved?
 

snuffleupagus
snuffleupagus
Jun 14, 2020 8:27 PM
Reply to  hope

it is not quantized (i.e. made of photons), while the latter is.
 
this is simply false. all electro-magnetic radiation is quantized; it’s an inherent property of the physical universe, not subject to human engineering.
 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantization_of_the_electromagnetic_field

hope
hope
Jun 14, 2020 8:50 PM
Reply to  snuffleupagus

Im sorry but wikipedia is not a source and here you are talking to someone who actually knows about this, and has studied the question for her own scientific work.

hope
hope
Jun 14, 2020 9:03 PM
Reply to  snuffleupagus

Let me also add that in scientific matters, you should first cite valid scientific sources in peer reviewed journals or books, and if you havent yourself checked the arguments and experiments in the papers, then say, according to such and such a scientist this is not the case. Only if you have checked yourself can you then say I dont agree with you and we can then have a valid discussion.
 
Your comment is just of the level of the pseudo-scientific debate that has been going on since this affair began. It has no worth. Now asking someone to explain why he or she is making such an assertion is a different thing. There is no harm in not knowing.

snuffleupagus
snuffleupagus
Jun 14, 2020 9:52 PM
Reply to  hope

— says somebody who provides no references for a claim which contradicts the current understanding of the physical universe.
 
https://www.google.com/search?q=quantization+of+electromagnetic+radiation

hope
hope
Jun 15, 2020 4:59 AM
Reply to  snuffleupagus

Id encourage everyone to learn science from veritable scientific source rather than internet gossip.
 
Anyone interested should start with:
 
Panagopoulos, D. J. 2018. “Man-made electromagnetic radiation is not quan-
tized”. In A. Reimer (Ed.), Horizons in World Physics, Volume 296, Chap-
ter 1, 1–58. Nova Science.

Robbobbobin
Robbobbobin
Jun 15, 2020 2:43 PM
Reply to  hope

Like you, I too have a ouija board. And I agree with you that everything scientific has to be approached with scientific rigour. For instance, I thought it wasn’t working until someone told me to plug the dangly wire thingy into a wall socket. Silly me. When I did it spelled out “D-I-R-A-C“. Does that count as a reference?

Almondson
Almondson
Jun 15, 2020 2:58 PM
Reply to  hope

nevermind

hope
hope
Jun 14, 2020 8:49 PM
Reply to  hope

I forgot to add that this is assuming there have been deaths, excess or otherwise, as well as cases that cannot be attributed any other known causes, some other disease, negligence, wrong treatment, and so on. The first question even before that of a virus or environmental factors is to assess whether there even was anything unseen before, globally or locally in some places.

rachel
rachel
Jun 15, 2020 1:10 AM
Reply to  hope

the deaths sprung up all over the world following lockdown. lockdown makes them appear when nothing could be spreading other than fear. there is no evidence the alleged genetic material had anything to do with it. how could it kill someone? it is completely insane idea.

rachel
rachel
Jun 14, 2020 9:24 PM
Reply to  Jack

it is nothing more than a destructive cult belief system. john rose has videos explaining how experience with fruit cleansing is all that is neede to disspell the myths. focus.

Robbobbobin
Robbobbobin
Jun 15, 2020 3:16 PM
Reply to  rachel

Steve Jobs was a fruitarian. Early death from pancreatic cancer. James Fixx was fixated on running and jogging as the way to a healthy life. Dead in his early fifties from a heart attack while jogging. George Oshawa espoused a healthy everything based on healthy food (‘macrobiotics’). Dead of a heart attack at 72. Etcetera.

Jo Dominich
Jo Dominich
Jun 15, 2020 6:21 PM
Reply to  Robbobbobin

Robbobbin, Music to my ears. Some sense in this BS world of ‘healthy eating’

Almondson
Almondson
Jun 15, 2020 2:52 PM
Reply to  Jack

There was a heavy flu last winter that hit quite a few people in Europe but the important point is there is no real proof these illnesses are contagious or caused by a virus.
 

Nixon Scraypes
Nixon Scraypes
Jun 14, 2020 6:36 PM

People often ask how could the nazi thing have happened in Germany? Just look around you in England today, that’s how. No one’s got a clue what’s happening. Yesterday I saw a young hipster wearing a huge perspex visor,a polythene bag over his hair and the regulation plastic gloves! Was he terrified of germs or making a statement, who knows? When they celebrated VE day,two meters apart,naturally, a neighbour was talking about the end of fascism, I said “or the beginning” she had no idea what I was talking about. They expect the media to tell them every thing and what to do. Is it the emf stew we’re living in, the spraying, whatever it is our brains have stopped functioning

rachel
rachel
Jun 14, 2020 9:53 PM
Reply to  Nixon Scraypes

boycott supermarkets. get fresh as possible produce and eat uncooked. there is biophotons that are needed. the microwaves from wifi certainly need to be reduced as much as possible. those phones should not be used for non emergency comms. switch off b4 bed might be something people would be willing to try.

Gwyn
Gwyn
Jun 14, 2020 11:01 PM
Reply to  Nixon Scraypes

They expect the media to tell them every thing and what to do.
 
Exactly! The fact that people just accept as gospel truth whatever they read/hear in the mainstream media is currently driving me up the wall. They just don’t question it. And they even have the nerve to describe people in supposedly less-advanced countries as ”brainwashed”…

Jo Dominich
Jo Dominich
Jun 15, 2020 6:31 PM
Reply to  Gwyn

HI Gwyn, It’s driving me up the wall too.By now, as it is in most countries around the world, CV-19 should be relegated to an inconsequential end of news item. Instead of which, we are still bombarded with it every day. And yes, I agree with you about criticising other countries, We will never be able to do that again and should never be allowed to.

Alessandro
Alessandro
Jun 15, 2020 12:31 AM
Reply to  Nixon Scraypes

If the EMF stew and/or spraying is the cause then why are so many of us who live ‘normal’ lives not affected? So I can’t accept that argument.
 
Now, on the point that some of the world has gone mad I agree but I think it started decades ago when teachers began to have more influence on children than did their parents. In the ‘olden days’ we were lucky to have one working parent and one stay at home to ensure the kids got adequate nurturing and teachers had little influence other than the 3 R’s. The Marxists have succeeded in the education field and the world will never be OK again until education is restored to teaching the 3 R’s and parents accept their responsibility to teach their kids about the real world and help them to develop critical thinking. In the old days when teachers taught I recall my Physics teacher making a statement then asking “why is it so”. Oh but his successors could do the same!

Robbobbobin
Robbobbobin
Jun 15, 2020 3:55 PM
Reply to  Alessandro

“…the world will never be OK again until education is restored to teaching the 3 R’s and parents accept their responsibility to teach their kids about the real world and help them to develop critical thinking…”

When I was at school the head boy visited an ice cream factory and went home to tell his parents that they made ice cream out of butter. His parents ridiculed him and told him to stop making stupid stuff up. Turns out they manufactured ice cream out of ‘reconstituted’ cream that is made by forcing butter back into an emulsion with water using a mechanical process that was actually identical to that employed by smaller, home ‘cream makers’ that were popular in Britain during and for years after World War II because of food rationing. Apparently my school mate’s parents didn’t own one. Butter was available to some food manufacturers at a lower price and in greater quantities than cream through some deal with New Zealand and/or (?) Australia. It still is used by some ice cream makers everywhere because of its superior (for their recipes) flavour. Anyway, I was surprised that any parent would belittle an extremely honest young man they had raised to so be when he reported a fact of which they were apparently pig ignorant.

You were saying?

Jo Dominich
Jo Dominich
Jun 15, 2020 6:36 PM
Reply to  Alessandro

Alessandro, the decline in education has nothing to do with the Marxists. The decline in educational standards has been largely due to the basic curriculum now being largely based on the USA one. History taught in schools now is practically all USA history. Most Governments in the world that have socialist Governments have a far higher standard of education than we do. Education in the UK has been totally dumbed down USA style (hence all these mickey mouse courses as opposed to the original basic education including the 3 ‘R’s. If Marxists were in charge of education I am sure it would not be dumbed down, it might be controlled to some extent, but not dumb.

Jo Dominich
Jo Dominich
Jun 15, 2020 6:28 PM
Reply to  Nixon Scraypes

Hi Nixon, in a blog on another Off-g article about CV-19, Steve Hayes set out quite a long list actually of how we are already in a Fascist Totalitarian State. All true and all current. I for one will say this, surely the world must now recognise that the orange baboon in the White House must be the new Adolf Hitler, by a long way. The invasion of countries, a militarised police state, a racial group scapegoat (the Muslims) and so on and so forth. I went back and looked into Nazi history. I concluded that, although AH was a veritable evil Dictator, the Orange Baboon leads him by a country mile. The Nazi’s are here. The Orange Baboon mini me who is laughingly referred to as our Prime Minister is Trump’s Goebbels.

Nixon Scraypes
Nixon Scraypes
Jun 16, 2020 9:24 AM
Reply to  Jo Dominich

Fascist dictatorship, socialist dictatorship, it’s all the same to me… and the dictators,they don’t act alone and always just say what you want to hear. Trump, Johnson,just figureheads chosen well in advance. I remember reading how Ken Clark e? when calling at the Cameron house,arranging his offshore investments? ,used to say”good morning prime minister”to young David. Since reading Tragedy and Hope, I read that joke in a different light. The great business plan of The City of London and it’s Empire bulldozes on. Zombie serfs of the New World Order, that term is official now on the UN website!

Nixon Scraypes
Nixon Scraypes
Jun 16, 2020 9:34 AM
Reply to  Jo Dominich

Goebbels trumps Hitler, Johnson trumps Trump. The Empire of the City of London marches on. On the UN website they now announce the NWO!

Sofia
Sofia
Jun 14, 2020 6:11 PM

I love the deadpan delivery of these news reports. No fluff just great real reporting.

Einstein
Einstein
Jun 14, 2020 6:55 PM
Reply to  Sofia

Yeh, they’re great. Human news, not the pontificating, supercilious scripts of MSM.
A lugubrious Englishman, a contrarian Irishman and an excitable Scot. A great trio, ably supported by Alex Thomson and Vanessa Beeley.
Scottie is razor-sharp in his analyses and Alex sees the deep picture.

Gwyn
Gwyn
Jun 14, 2020 11:04 PM
Reply to  Einstein

A lugubrious Englishman, a contrarian Irishman and an excitable Scot…
 
I was very disappointed not to see these words followed by ”…walk into a bar…”.
 
:o)

Robbobbobin
Robbobbobin
Jun 15, 2020 3:58 PM
Reply to  Gwyn

Alcohol in, drink taking out.

Paul
Paul
Jun 14, 2020 5:39 PM

Before this virus hysteria I’d never heard of UK Column and Off Guardian.

I never really trusted the MSM or governments as they don’t serve the interests of the population.

It became very obvious from the start of this scam there was an agenda behind it and I smelt bullshit.

Whenever a problem arises I always think well who benefits from this. My initial thoughts were Gates and big pharma. I had always warmed to Boris and believed he was very patriotic at heart and loved his country. I was wrong.
I think behind the scenes he did initially put up resistance but that clearly evaporated very quickly as he turned against his own people and his now controlled by the organ grinder directing this scam.

Boris is guilty of treason and man slaughter.

I stumbled upon Off Guardian and Uk Column totally by chance and throughout this they both have been excellent. No wild theories.
Proper investigative journalism backed up by facts.
This is the real news and I look forward to watching UK Column and reading the Off Guardian articles.
The MSM is just bullshit and propaganda. I only read it to laugh at the lies and struggle to understand how anyone can believe them.

Thanks to both and May I suggest to Off Guardian that you also launch your news channel. It would be very popular.

lundiel
lundiel
Jun 14, 2020 7:49 PM
Reply to  Paul

I had always warmed to Boris and believed he was very patriotic at heart and loved his country. I was wrong. Oh please, “I’d never heard of UK Column”…give it a rest Tommy.

lundiel
lundiel
Jun 14, 2020 8:49 PM
Reply to  lundiel

“Patriots” have enabled foreign policy for the last 60 years.

Tony
Tony
Jun 14, 2020 10:41 PM
Reply to  Paul

Bojo, being the self-important buffoon that he is, was ‘off-message’ at the start. He was quickly put straight by his handlers. Don’t be too harsh on politicians (well, do, because they deserve it. But don’t blame them for the world’s ills. They’re not responsible). Listen to Mr Gold, Jim Sinclair’s comments about politicians at 54.30 of this interview. Listen through to a few minutes later about Epstein. Jim Sinclair is a family rebel of one of the USA’s Old Money families. He knows, from the inside, how things work.
 
https://youtu.be/VMCu9GWpgzg

Almondson
Almondson
Jun 15, 2020 3:06 PM
Reply to  Tony

He was put straight alright, that’s why he had to “contract” the “virus” and disappear for a couple of weeks. I kept waiting for a photo of BoJo sick in bed but apparently that stunt was not necessary.

Robbobbobin
Robbobbobin
Jun 15, 2020 4:01 PM
Reply to  Paul

“No wild theories.”

Say again?

Jo Dominich
Jo Dominich
Jun 15, 2020 6:39 PM
Reply to  Paul

Hi Paul, glad you found us.

Grafter
Grafter
Jun 14, 2020 4:43 PM

Bit o/t…Am an avid football follower and lately have been consoling myself by watching Bundesliga division 1 football from Germany (behind closed doors) where it started up again in mid May under Coronavirus restrictions without spectators. Approximately 6 games have now been played by all teams without supporters. The first few of these games showed some players wearing surgical gloves and whenever a player scored a goal his teammates congratulated him with a celebratory “elbow” with some not engaging at all in the adulation. On watching the highlights of a few of Saturday’s games (yesterday) it appears that the virus is no longer a problem in Germany as the players are now hugging, patting and embracing one another after a goal has been scored. So it is now quite obvious that the deadly virus is highly selective in its choice of victims and that German football players are totally safe from its contagion . The rest of us can only look on with envy from our incarceration under our miserable lockdown and wonder why we must practice social distancing.

Arsebiscuits
Arsebiscuits
Jun 14, 2020 5:51 PM
Reply to  Grafter

Full house at the rugby in NZ.
Good to see some normality in regards to sports.

Einstein
Einstein
Jun 14, 2020 6:24 PM
Reply to  Grafter

Ignore the arbitrary, incoherent, evidence-free lockdown.
It’s not law (let alone lawful) anyway: just “public health measures”.

Mike Ellwood
Mike Ellwood
Jun 14, 2020 9:18 PM
Reply to  Einstein

Maybe not law, but my local newspaper was seemingly boasting that our local branch of the Plod, the Thames Valley Plodizei, were top of the league table in lockdown offence prosecutions. Presumably most of these were in the nearby “big city” of Oxford, rather than in the sleepy little Oxfordshire town where I live, and where not much happens, even when there isn’t a lockdown.
 
I hope some smart lawyer can make a name for him or herself by taking some of these cases to appeal.

Jo Dominich
Jo Dominich
Jun 15, 2020 6:43 PM
Reply to  Mike Ellwood

Hi Mike, given Tory MPs, Professor Pantsdown and psycho Cummings amongst others have blatantly flouted lockdown rules and not been charged, a good lawyer should be able to appeal successfully any of these convictions.

Watt
Watt
Jun 14, 2020 7:08 PM
Reply to  Grafter

Very much o/t, as it happens.We need the UK ‘Spring’ event.

mikael
mikael
Jun 14, 2020 4:09 PM

This political line or side ddebate reminds me of an poster I saw years ago, with the image of trees and an axe, and the line was, the trees tought that the axe was an friend because the handle was made of wood.
If you dont get, that, I am waisting time, and I have never taken side other than trying to find out whats the bloody facts, whom benefits, to follow the eh…. Bricks, forgotten already, I bet you have, and then came the racism, after all the previous years attacks about been an heretic/denier, and as the MSM puts it, we where then also white ass neo-nazi sumpremacists, yup and here we are to day in the year of the lord 2020 and the MSM witch feeds the public and politicians with the eh…. objective “cross my hart” truth, hu… and is extatic since they can slamm everybody whom isnt kneeling as white ass rightwinged neo-nazi sumpremacists, aka the whole shebang and feeds us with tear drippin storys of people been harrased, of course they have to be, since we are all racists, right, left, right.
I am getting dizzy.
 
So, once again, what left, and what do they want, apart from creating more diversion, marginalising groups, revisioning of history aka the insanely twisted talk about slavery while the completely ignores the facts and the truth about that witch is stil in parts of our world, like Africa, apart from that, what, can anyone of you tell me what do they want, defound the police based upon what, racism, racial profiling, when we have episodes like the gangs in Rotham, and the MSM totally ignores that, the same is in Norway and even worse in Sweden/Finnland, and yet we have spokes persons from this people whining in the news about racism, and racial profiling, when they are behind most of the horrible crimes we have in our nation today and the only crimes if any you indeed read about is when a native is doing something, and even “better” against the multicultural enritchments, then the whining is tuned up to 11 and everybody is screaming about how racistic we are.
The politicians love to be portrayed along the people whom is fighting racism, but have anyone of you ever seen an politicians in the hostpitals or visiting the victims of this gang crimes, gang rapes, etc, etc, have you, of course not, and their exuse is the same as our MSM uses, its racisl profiling, yeah, sweet isnt it, and they denie the crimes and dont “understand” why ordninary people is getting more and more angry, but claims that this anger is sollely based upon us all been raictsic white ass neo-nazi rightwinged supremacists.
 
Tel me, do you know what they are, take the Yellow West, witch is an grass root org consiting of ordinary people with an spesific program, but in our MSM its portrayed as Rightwinged neo-nazis and facistic racists, ugh… and is attacked mostly by the so called Anti-fas and the fake leftis, for just what I mentioned even when they want the wars to end, the one that produces refugees, etc, etc but no, the fake left and anti-fas never bother to debate that either, workers right, poverty, declining health care, declining school system, etc, to the plundering of our nation and resources, not an pip.
And even then some of you claim they are leftis, to me they never have been left, never will be left, not more than the even faker right, the so called winged ones, when EDL was lead for years by an Jew and the RobTards are what, rightwinged, where are they rightwinged, apart from attacking Muslims, witch have jack shit with been conservative nor rightwinged, what else do this shitheads talk about, tell me, just bacause our MSM incl Russians like RT loove to follow them all over the place and prints images of RobTards and screams about rightwinged scums attacking eh…. BLM suporters, or whatever they claim they are suporting.
For those of us that are nationalsists, the entire narrative is been screwed, and thats deliberate, to quel and deprive our arugments to feed the globalists agenda, its so bloody obvious it hurts and yet I have to read miles upon miles on written nonsense wich tries to make this an issue about right/left, its not, its far more fundamental, its us against the robber barons, Jilly belove is 100% correct, the same happens in Norway.
 
To me, the entire shit show is an intellectual insult, and I know the same groups of elite scums whom have been behind most of what have happened for decades is pushing this one to, incl the MSM whom is twisting everything to highlight their agenda witch is diverting the present downfall to be about racism, and thats it, nothing more, nothing about the downfall of the economy, wars, refugees ruining nations after nations when the problem is so bloody easy to end, stop the wars and plundering of Afrca.
But not an pip.
Its dead silent.
And some of you think this is not pushed from behind, makes me wounder if you are indeed stupid, because their agenda is glealingly obvious, they have non, this runs on emotions.
Apart from creating hate and that hate is directed at whites.
This is an class war, and the fake left/right aka the elite is buckling both ends, and have always been their bitches, for eons, and people stil belives the division.
Hurmf.
Dunka, dunka (the sound of my head banging the table)
 
peace

jacklord
jacklord
Jun 14, 2020 4:59 PM
Reply to  mikael

This is intentional illiteracy for some kind of effect. I see it popping up more and more now.

Mike Ellwood
Mike Ellwood
Jun 14, 2020 9:20 PM
Reply to  jacklord

I believe English is not Mikael’s first language.

Almondson
Almondson
Jun 15, 2020 3:13 PM
Reply to  jacklord

The illiteracy is intentional, not necessarily by the individual, but at the insititutional level.

Almondson
Almondson
Jun 15, 2020 3:08 PM
Reply to  mikael

Try some more punctuation

Edwige
Edwige
Jun 14, 2020 4:01 PM
bob
bob
Jun 14, 2020 3:57 PM

how does this man (sic) live with himself nevermind impose himself on the rest of us
 



 
Unedited footage of the clip of Matt Hancock at Haverhill Hustings

Jo Dominich
Jo Dominich
Jun 15, 2020 6:47 PM
Reply to  bob

Bob, claim to fame here, I was there!! Every question he wouldn’t or couldn’t answer GET BREXIT DONE was his response! I was so sick I didn’t hang around long

Donald Duck
Donald Duck
Jun 14, 2020 3:27 PM

How about this little item from today’s Guardian.
 
”Why is Dominic Cummings still in No 10? Because Vote Leavers never say sorry 
says Peter Geoghegan
 
Aha, so Coronavirus was all the fault of the Leave Brexit voters! This snide little insinuation is now doing the rounds and the Remainer malcontents still haven’t given up after the two electoral defeats. My guess is that they will still continue the campaign of subversion since they appear not to recognise that what they are trying to do is -overturning a wholly legitimate process – by all means necessary, legal or otherwise. It’s a bit like the Democratic National Committee trying to unseat Trump – the duly elected US President – by all and any methods that come to hand.
 
We have appeared to have descended into a Machiavellian age where the rule no longer count and the only thing important is winning
 

Jilly
Jilly
Jun 14, 2020 3:37 PM
Reply to  Donald Duck

 
Why would the DNC unseat a president whose polices they have voted though every time, with absolutely NO opposition. And a president who has made them and their donors rich?
 
Very few here are convinced by this silly Kabuki theatre. I assume you are American.
 

Objective
Objective
Jun 14, 2020 3:45 PM
Reply to  Donald Duck

I don’t understand the obsession with Cummings & goings, the right blame him for lock-down & the left for undermining it. In other news what has brexit got to do with corona virus & cummings, wasnt he a remoaner?

Philippe
Philippe
Jun 14, 2020 4:00 PM
Reply to  Objective

I suspect someone will be along shortly to explain to you why Brexit is at fault for everything that happens in the world.
 
It would be rare for him to miss such an opportunity.

Jo Dominich
Jo Dominich
Jun 15, 2020 6:57 PM
Reply to  Philippe

Phillipe, that narrative is already well underway in the MSM. Peter Hogan, Irish EU Commissioner said this publicly. The UK were going to suffer seriouis economic consequences as a result of a No Deal Brexit but the Government would blame it on Coronavirus or blame the EU for the negotiations failing even though Barnier has made it clear time and time again, as did Peter Hogan, that the UK is not in the least bit interested in negotiation. Sterling is tanking because of the certainty now o No Deal Brexit.

Philippe
Philippe
Jun 15, 2020 9:38 PM
Reply to  Jo Dominich

I suppose covid 1984 will end up being blamed for all sorts of things. We seem to be quite a way down that road already. Almost as if it were planned that way.
 
My point was more that a certain individual who frequents these parts believes that Brexit is the cause of everything, rather than the converse. I wouldn’t be surprised if said individual believes that covid 1984 is simply a distraction manufactured to take everybody’s eye off Brexit aka the real evil in the world today.

Jo Dominich
Jo Dominich
Jun 16, 2020 10:52 AM
Reply to  Philippe

Hi Phillipe yep, point taken.

Moneycircus
Moneycircus
Jun 14, 2020 4:56 PM
Reply to  Objective

I defy people to accurately identify any politician as pro- or anti-Brexit – especially once you delve into the issues at stake – which 99% of people aren’t able to define coherently (and that includes the politicians and journalists who lecture us).

Objective
Objective
Jun 15, 2020 9:05 AM
Reply to  Moneycircus

I’d defy anyone to find a politician with any integrity who wouldn’t flip flop at the highest bidder.
 
Still don’t understand why anyone thinks cummings & goings is anything different.

Jura Calling
Jura Calling
Jun 14, 2020 5:09 PM
Reply to  Objective

He exposed the fakery of the Governments drive to make prisoners of us all for ‘our own good’. He gave the game away.He embarrassed the Government and rubbed salt into the wound of the public who were told to keep indoors or face arrest.He writes Johnson’s speeches because Johnson’s a halfwit. He’s in to oust UKIP and Farage on behalf of the Israeli lobbyists. Cummings can write his own cheques.His smarmy, arrogant smirk isn’t affected. It’s natural.It’s the facial equivalent of giving you, me and anyone else, the one -fingered salute.
 

JILLY
JILLY
Jun 14, 2020 9:18 PM
Reply to  Jura Calling

What a weird soup you are cooking.

Mike Ellwood
Mike Ellwood
Jun 14, 2020 9:23 PM
Reply to  Objective

In other news what has brexit got to do with corona virus & cummings, wasnt he a remoaner?

 
Who, Cummings? No, definitely not!

Objective
Objective
Jun 15, 2020 9:06 AM
Reply to  Mike Ellwood

Bet he would be if you paid him enough.

Jo Dominich
Jo Dominich
Jun 15, 2020 6:54 PM
Reply to  Objective

Objective, Cummings was the one who masterminded the infamous bus poster,the lies promulgated throughout the campaign and, I believe, one of the key players alongside Bojo who fraudulently spent millions of pounds of electoral money. Although the Electoral Commission investigated and found there to be evidence that met the standard required to prove criminal charges, the Police never ingestigated it on the basis that “it would not be in the public interest”. How on earth did they arrive at that conclusion? Cummings also stated publicly that those lies had to be told because they had to win the Referendum. Cue: Completely rigged election.

Jura Calling
Jura Calling
Jun 14, 2020 5:04 PM
Reply to  Donald Duck

Cummings is there because he is important to the Tory party. Boris is a puppet. All leaders are.But Boris can’t come up with his own lines or remember those fed to him.He is wealthy but mentally slow.Cummings was brought in to get the UK out of Europe, to undermine UKIP and Farage.He writes speeches for Boris.It was probably his idea to pretend the great PM was heroically fighting coronavirus and almost ready for a ventilator before a recovery 3 days later ( well, it was Easter).Cummings is educated enough and ideologically savage enough to be bullet proof to the tories. Even this deadly virus was scared of him so left him to break lockdown..

lundiel
lundiel
Jun 14, 2020 7:13 PM
Reply to  Jura Calling

No, no, no, he’s a maverick who listens to the “populist” socially conseravative working class white van man who stake their future on economic growth and house prices.

David Matthews
David Matthews
Jun 14, 2020 8:40 PM
Reply to  Jura Calling

Disagree re Boris. He’s not slow or stupid, but probably one of the most blackmail-able people in the UK? I remember him years ago fronting the “Have I Got News For You” program. Unless it was all scripted in advance (didn’t seem to be) he slotted in very well with the rapide repartee buffoonery.

The inclination for buffoonery may have been the reason he caught covid-19? The smirk as he told us it was our inalienable right to go to the pub after work, but we weren’t allowed to any more sticks in my mind. They decided they needed a straight man to lock us down?

Almondson
Almondson
Jun 15, 2020 3:20 PM
Reply to  David Matthews

The only thing he caught was his withered balls.

Jo Dominich
Jo Dominich
Jun 15, 2020 6:50 PM
Reply to  Donald Duck

Well, all the DNP has to to actually, is do what the CIA tried to do in Venezuela, just stand up and declare that Joe Biden is now the official, recognised President of the United States, the EU can agree that and hey presto, problem solved. Surely, if it’s good enough for Venezuela it must be good enough for the USA and the UK?

Moneycircus
Moneycircus
Jun 14, 2020 3:08 PM

An illuminating post a few weeks ago observed that the NHS is really a management system. It is not about hospital care or GP surgeries as such. Many countries achieve free-at-the-point-of-use in different ways. And it has always been rationed, as well, putting patients last by definition and in law.
 
Britons will know that the management system was captured, from the outset, by consultant physicians, and was structured with an eye to their convenience and remuneration. In return, consultants would exercise autonomous power to ration the service.
 
Later under private-public partnership or PFI it was divided along the line of Trusts (think National Trust with a focus on buildings) and even more of the funding went on management. Investors are legally bound to prioritize their own interests. The patient remains last. That is how swanky new hospitals get built without ever opening.
 
Crisis-hit hospital finds that private finance for NHS comes at a price (2001) — Revealed: 82 ‘ghost wards’ containing 1,400 empty NHS beds (2018) 
 
The Clap was always a psyop (definition: military actions designed to influence the perceptions and attitudes of individuals, groups.) UK Column has exposed the role of the military in Operation Covid. I don’t believe for a minute that it was solely the idea of a random Dutch lady, Annemarie Plas. Otherwise someone would have gently tapped her on the elbow. I suspect, with Brian Gerrish, that ‘The Clap’ was chosen as sneering gob of spit in the face of the citizenry. It is a well-known term for the sexual disease, gonorrhea.
 
The second gob of spit was to keep NHS hospitals largely empty while people cheered the “heroic frontline carers”. That was an insult to the NHS staff as much as the citizenry. The third gob was to cancel elective treatments that in many cases are urgent or even qualify as emergency in the case of patients with cancers, heart trouble or brain tumors.
 
People have been trained to expect nothing. For more than a century Oliver was a national symbol, the little boy from Charles Dickens’ 1838 novel who dared to ask for more. He was cheeky but with right on his side. Now we are trained to expect not even a first bowl of porridge, and to thank Sir effusively.
 
I think this is a first step, lowering expectations so that the NHS can be reshaped in any way desired by the Corporate Crown and the financiers who run it. The psyop has been worked on NHS staff, as well, to undermine their self respect and sense of worth – assuming they aren’t slave labour on zero hour contracts already.
 

lundiel
lundiel
Jun 14, 2020 5:16 PM
Reply to  Moneycircus

Surprise surprise. It has been obvious that since the market was introduced into the NHS by Blair that it’s destruction was on the horizon. This was accelerated massively by the coalition and it seems they (civil servants who operate on profit/loss scales) agree and Covid 19 is the once in a lifetime method of proving their bogus propaganda.

lundiel
lundiel
Jun 14, 2020 5:17 PM
Reply to  lundiel

PS. Grammatical errors care of Google.

Jo Dominich
Jo Dominich
Jun 15, 2020 7:08 PM
Reply to  lundiel

Lundiel, you are wrong about Blair introducing the market into the NHS that was Thatcher. Blair’s Government invested hundreds of millions of pounds on the Modernisation Agenda to bring in state of the art new treatment,equipment, surgery etc. What did the NHS do with the money? They massively re-graded themselves, created tiers and tiers of new Mangers,er, to manage this money and not one penny went on Patient care. His Government also put an additional 300 million pounds into modernising pancreatic and stomach cancer diagnosis, treatment and outcomes which were, and still are, close to the worst in the world. Five years later, a Senior executive of the NHS was on Radio 4 because a Report compiled by the Government about this ring fenced funding has found that not extra patient had been treated, there had been no improvement in patient outcomes, no new, modern treatment was introduced treatment that is prevalent the developed world with good outcomes, no extra front line staff had been employed. The interviewer asked this Consultant where on earth had all the money gone then. The consultant floundered and then came up with the lame excuse that it had not been enough! 300 million pounds – not enough?

Arsebiscuits
Arsebiscuits
Jun 14, 2020 5:55 PM
Reply to  Moneycircus

Always on the money amidst this traveling circus!

Vuillard
Vuillard
Jun 15, 2020 11:58 AM
Reply to  Moneycircus

The psyop started with that mawkish, satanic NHS cult worship at the opening ceremony of the 2012 Olympics.

Jo Dominich
Jo Dominich
Jun 15, 2020 7:03 PM
Reply to  Moneycircus

Hi moneycircus, i want to say this, I agree mostly with what you have said but, contrary to public opinion, Nursing is now a highly paid profession.

Jilly
Jilly
Jun 14, 2020 2:26 PM

If the marxists are taking over the UK they are doing a terrible job of being Marxists, as the rich get astonishingly richer and as the workers are impoverished on a massive scale. And more than ever before, race hate and xenophobia have become government policy.State funding for the unemployed, for the sick for the old and disable is being cut back to the bone, the countries assets are being sold off, not nationalised. The NHS and BBC are in the waiting room of privatisation, and many small companies are being pushed over the edge into bankruptcy by our right wing government for large US corporate aliens like Amazon to mope them up or take their trade. I don’t see much marxism or socialism there, I just see US corporate fascism.
 
So why are you at war with the left, when the corporate far-right have us by the balls?

Steve Hayes
Steve Hayes
Jun 14, 2020 2:51 PM
Reply to  Jilly

Well, if the government do abolish the television tax, and allow the BBC to sink or swim in the market, that would be an excellent policy.

Jilly
Jilly
Jun 14, 2020 3:19 PM
Reply to  Steve Hayes

You want to hand a large chunk of British culture over to Comcast and Corporate facist in the USA, who will hide poverty, celebrate the rich and cause us all to hate each other. I’m not surprise you believe that, you are from a country that voted for more tory austerity, destruction and serious economic damage via Brexit. Good luck with that.

Objective
Objective
Jun 14, 2020 3:38 PM
Reply to  Jilly

cause us all to hate each other

 
You’ve bought everything in leftist arsenal today huh? I raise you some trans-phobia.

Steve Hayes
Steve Hayes
Jun 15, 2020 1:33 PM
Reply to  Jilly

The BBC is a propaganda organisation.

Jo Dominich
Jo Dominich
Jun 15, 2020 7:11 PM
Reply to  Jilly

Jilly, hand it over to Comcst – hell no (or should that be Heill No) – can’t have that, Murdoch hates the BBC – guess who the Government will give it to?

Jo Dominich
Jo Dominich
Jun 15, 2020 7:14 PM
Reply to  Steve Hayes

Steve, I for one, although I am sick of the BBC political output as nothing more than Propaganda for the Government and cannot stand Kuenssberg, the BBC is the only producer of excellent drama, wild life, documentaries and for my part, as an avid Radio listener rather than a watcher of television, the Radio. I would hate to see them being disbanded. It is my understanding that the Licence fee accounts for only 1% of their total income. They have massive hits around the world which earn them significant revenue. I was surprised to learn that the Blue Planet for example, is a massive earner for them and is huge in China. I want the BBC to stay and stay for good without threat of any kind.

Steve Hayes
Steve Hayes
Jun 15, 2020 7:55 PM
Reply to  Jo Dominich

Oh dear. For last year, for example, the BBC received five billion pounds from the taxpayer. That is nothing like one percent of it revenue.
 
The notion that the BBC produces excellent drama and natural history and documentaries is nothing more than nostalgia.
 
The BBC is a propaganda organisation. It lies about everything. It even admits it is engaged in propaganda occasionally. As an example Annita McVeigh rebuked Admiral West: https://viewsandstories.blogspot.com/2018/04/bbc-asserts-it-is-propaganda.html
If you want to support the BBC that is your right. But you should be aware that in doing so you are supporting propagandists who would by the standards employed at Nuremberg be guilty of crimes against humanity. If you think for one moment that I am resorting to hyperbole, I would refer you to the trial of Julius Streicher, who was found guilty of crimes against humanity for what he claimed was journalism and what the prosecution claimed was propaganda.Just consider for one moment the lies the BBC has propagated about Syria, Libya, the Ukraine, etc.
 
The BBC lies routinely and systematically.
 
You mentioned Kuenssberg. She lied about Corbyn. The BBC Trust eventually acknowledged it and denounced her and the BBC for it. The response of the BBC was to assert that she was an excellent journalist, award her honours and promote her.
 
Frankly, I am at a loss to understand your position on the BBC.

Jo Dominich
Jo Dominich
Jun 16, 2020 10:34 AM
Reply to  Steve Hayes

Hi Steve, I am fully aware of the BBC political reporting being extremely biased towards the Tories and in the General Election and now, they are a propaganda outfit for this Government. Kuenssberg lies about a lot of things. I have read in other places that the BBC political reporting used to be generally impartial until she and her boss James Griffiths (or something like that) took over political broadcasting. Since that time, there can be no doubt where the BBC’s political allegiances lay and also, where Kuennsberg’s do. I am also disgusted that John Ware’s documentary on anti-semitism within the Labour Party has been put forward for a BAFTA. However, Ofcom is there for a reason and they refused to investigate this. They are supposed to be the regulatory body. ITV with Robert Peston as their political editor (and in which Murdoch owns a 30% stake) is also guilty of extreme political bias towards the Tories and SKY news, well that’s just pure propaganda for this Government no more no less.
 
However, the danger is to throw the baby out with the bath water. For me, the BBC is probably the best broadcaster in the world in terms of drama, radio and general TV production. The variety, especially on Radio is brilliant and actually, often has better dramas etc than TV. It is very easy to knock the BBC and they deserve every criticism they get about their political reporting and broadcasting. but I would support them over and above other broadcasters in terms of general TV output.
 
It seems to me that the BBC need to radically overhaul it’s political broadcasting and get rid of Kuenssberg.

Steve Hayes
Steve Hayes
Jun 16, 2020 11:26 AM
Reply to  Jo Dominich

The BBC lies about everything. Not just party politics. Its natural history programmes are either no more intellectual than “I saw some exotic animals” or they are filled with Climate Change propaganda or even worse both. Its dramas are thinly veiled propaganda for neoliberalism. Its foreign reporting is little more than variations on Washington’s press briefings. There is no baby to save.
 
But you completely missed my point. I did not say abolish the BBC. I said abolish the television licence. If the BBC is as good as it constantly tells us it is, as good as you claim it is, it will thrive in the market place. If it is as bad as I think it is, it will wither and die.

Steve Hayes
Steve Hayes
Jun 14, 2020 2:59 PM
Reply to  Jilly

Who is this “left” you are referring to?

George Mc
George Mc
Jun 14, 2020 3:11 PM
Reply to  Steve Hayes

 
I don’t know if there is much of an “effective” Left left. (If you’ll pardon the expression) By “effective”, I am referring to Marx’s famous line, “The philosophers have only interpreted the world in various ways; the point, however, is to change it.” How many on the Left still aim to change the world? Or, perhaps more to the point, think they even CAN? One Ellen Meiksins Wood noted that the Left seem to have developed an attitude that is too pessimistic (they think that capitalism is here for good and there’s nothing you can do about it) and too optimistic (things ain’t so bad after all). Thus, they have slotted into the comfortable slot of being “cultural critics” and analyse e.g. the “fascist” tendencies of various TV programmes. Of course, to make it seem that these critiques still have any revolutionary potential, it helps that the Right whip up a fever about “Cultural Marxism” – as if the ruling class gave a flying fuck about how topics are taught to the plebs in school.

Steve Hayes
Steve Hayes
Jun 14, 2020 3:21 PM
Reply to  George Mc

There is nothing left-wing about the so called cultural Marxists – term which incidentally is nothing more than incoherent mystification. Marxism, a development of the Enlightenment, is epistemologically modernist; whereas, the so called cultural Marxists are epistemological relativists. One can no more be a Marxist and a relativist than one can be left-wing and pro-neoliberalism, which is of course precisely what we see at the George Soros funded Guardian.

George Mc
George Mc
Jun 14, 2020 6:49 PM
Reply to  Steve Hayes

Well precisely. Read Theodore Adorno and you’d think the most monumental matter in the world was the music that people choose to listen to. As Marx once said: “If this is Marxism then I am no Marxist!”

Jilly
Jilly
Jun 14, 2020 3:22 PM
Reply to  George Mc

What do you think the protest in the USA are about? the state is busy hijacking them but the voice of the oppressed will never be silenced and that is what marxism is, the voice of the oppressed formalised.

Steve Hayes
Steve Hayes
Jun 14, 2020 4:00 PM
Reply to  Jilly

marxism is, the voice of the oppressed formalised.

I strongly suspect that you have never read the works of Marx. How many oppressed have you heard speaking of commodity fetishism? Surplus value? The labour theory of value? Or asserting that they make their own history, just not in circumstances of their own choosing? Etc.

jilly
jilly
Jun 14, 2020 4:04 PM
Reply to  Steve Hayes

”How many oppressed have you heard speaking of……..”
 
 
 
The key word that went over your head was formalised’.

Steve Hayes
Steve Hayes
Jun 14, 2020 4:25 PM
Reply to  jilly

It did not go over my head, but I notice you completely failed to address the question, which does not surprise me.
 
But here is another chance. Tell me how the concept “commodity fetishism” formalises the voice of the oppressed?

JILLY
JILLY
Jun 14, 2020 9:24 PM
Reply to  Steve Hayes

I have no need to jump through your silly hoops.

George Mc
George Mc
Jun 14, 2020 7:32 PM
Reply to  Jilly

I presume you are referring to the anti-racism protests. I doubt if the state is “hijacking” them since – as OffG has pointed out – this entire matter of the George Floyd killing has been given a suspiciously high profile in the media who seemed to have suddenly lost all concern about social distancing. As if the lockdown was a social “pressure cooker” that has now been deliberately opened. Yes – this is “conspiracy” stuff and therefore, according to the present “Left” inadmissable. But I reckon Marx would have been rightly suspicious himself – not having been indoctrinated into the “true Marxism” of today.

snuffleupagus
snuffleupagus
Jun 14, 2020 8:48 PM
Reply to  George Mc

I find it utterly baffling that people who imagine themselves to be “marxists”, have committed themselves to the theory that the ruling class do not ever meet to discuss how to further their mutual interests, or at least do not ever decide on any plan of action that would contravene bourgeois legality. because that would be a “conspiracy”, which all goodthinkers know only occur in Hollywood movies, but not the real world.
 
to call this theory wildly implausible, is a considerable understatement, but all the most learned marxist authorities assert that it must be so. strangely, they do not ever cite Marx himself in support of this position.
 
one sometimes has wild fantasies that the sources of funding for the left coincidence theorists might have something to do with their unanimous opinion on this subject. but that would itself be an anti-marxist conspiracy theory, so it obviously cannot be so.

George Mc
George Mc
Jun 14, 2020 10:12 PM
Reply to  snuffleupagus

they do not ever cite Marx himself in support of this position.

 
 
The word “conspiracy” – indeed even the highlighting of it as “something odd” seems a pretty recent development. I reckon it was the JFK thing that really started it. The buggers upstairs knew they couldn’t gloss over the assassination with reason so they had to adopt this new mind fuck approach which puts into practice Orwell’s idea that if you control the way people use words then you can control their minds. Hence the demonisation of the word “conspiracy”. I would have said that pre-60s, the existence of conspiracies was pretty much taken for granted.
 
 

Steve Hayes
Steve Hayes
Jun 15, 2020 8:46 AM
Reply to  snuffleupagus

According to Marx, the state is the executive committee for the collective affairs of the ruling class.

Philippe
Philippe
Jun 14, 2020 9:55 PM
Reply to  Jilly

Did you never wonder who Orwell based ‘Godstein’ on?
 
Think about it for a while. It will come to you eventually.

Philippe
Philippe
Jun 14, 2020 9:57 PM
Reply to  Philippe

That, of course, should have read ‘Goldstein’.

Jo Dominich
Jo Dominich
Jun 15, 2020 7:18 PM
Reply to  Jilly

Yes Jilly and the demonstrators around the world too. The oppressed are rising. Whether the uprising will be effective or not remains to be seen. We need to team up with the Yellow Vests.

Jo Dominich
Jo Dominich
Jun 15, 2020 7:17 PM
Reply to  George Mc

George Mc Jeremy Corbyn was not one of those ‘left’ you refer to which is why the Security Services, the CIA, the MSM and national broadcasters had to join the campaign to get him out. He was too much of a threat to the establishment and the rich. So now we have a narcissistic pathological liar, buffoon and charlatan as our PM backed by a psychopath. Neat eh? Jeremy Corbyn won the hearts and minds and the debate, so he had to go.

George Mc
George Mc
Jun 15, 2020 10:30 PM
Reply to  Jo Dominich

Corbyn was a threat because he believed what real Labour believed. I also think he was a man of integrity who was unprepared for the ferocious conscienceless viciousness of the forces against him. He tried to play fair and they had no intention of doing so. Indeed, they wouldn’t even understand the concept.

Jo Dominich
Jo Dominich
Jun 16, 2020 11:01 AM
Reply to  George Mc

George Mc. I don’t know if you have seen or read it but Corbyn, late last week, gave a really honest interview for Middle East Eye (key points are on The Canary). He said he had got everyone together and said he wanted to strive for unity between different ‘factions’ of the party. Reading between the lines, he all but said he had been surprised by what then happened. He also said he had made the mistake of trusting certain people (reading between the lines I think Stoogie Starmer might well have been one of those). Anyway, it’s worth a look at because I think he has been deeply affected by the vitriolic, vicious and malicious campaign against him by the MSM and within his own party. Anybody who has been through what he was put through would inevitably be affected. I admire him all the more for going out there in the General Election, addressing rallies, promoting the Labour Party Manifesto and sticking to task and focus.
 
The MSM are going large at the moment on Starmer’s popularity rising only trailing Johnson by 5% now. Bullshit. Stoogie hasn’t got a Labour credential to his name. He said yesterday that he was going to support Pritti Patel’s motion that anybody defacing statues would be liable for a 10 year prison sentence. WTF? Now, I might be wrong but I do believe there are far worse and more serious crimes that warrant this type of sentence than defacing a statue. Imprisonment is for people that constitute a serious risk to the public or have committed extremely serious offences. He seems to have his priorities all wrong.
 
Right now, you could put a donkey in as Leader of the Opposition and they would enjoy a higher rating in the polls! Oh sorry, we already do have a donkey as the LOTO.

George Mc
George Mc
Jun 16, 2020 11:32 AM
Reply to  Jo Dominich

At the last election, the conservative Peter Oborne announced he would be voting Labour because he was disgusted at BoJo’s performance in comparison with Corbyn’s decency. It was heartening to see some people transcending the customary partisan show to see what was really happening. Of course, Corbyn lost and frankly Keir Starmer’s performance so far is dire. See here:
 
https://www.jonathan-cook.net/2020-04-16/labour-officials-plot-corbyn-antisemitism/
 
Re: Starmer’s attitude towards the report of the investigation into the anti-Semitism allegations,
 

He has also promised to investigate “the circumstances in which the report was put into the public domain”. That sounds ominously like an attempt to hound those who have tried to bring to light the party’s betrayal of its previous leader.

The stench of cover-up is already in the air.

 
And it’s no surprise that the chain round Starmer’s neck is being yanked with maximum force:
 
https://www.algemeiner.com/2020/05/03/british-jews-are-too-eager-to-embrace-starmers-still-dubious-labour-party/
 

Since he became leader a month ago, Starmer has strenuously portrayed himself as anxious to deal with the scourge of antisemitism that consumed the party under Jeremy Corbyn. His instant charm offensive towards Jewish community leaders had them purring straightaway. What he says, however, is less important than what he does. And this is causing some concern.

For although he has rid his shadow ministerial team of most of Corbyn’s far-left faction, he has still appointed some Labour MPs with backgrounds of deeply problematic views about Israel and the Jewish people.

 
This is what you’d expect from the odious Melanie Philips, but it is no doubt typical of the offensive mounting against Starmer.

Jo Dominich
Jo Dominich
Jun 16, 2020 11:47 AM
Reply to  George Mc

Hi George Mc – yes the first thing Stoogie did was to apologise for the alleged anti-semitism within the Party when we all know it was completely fabricated by the BoD, the Jewish Chronicle and the MSM. Now for me, that would not be the immediate priority of a new Leader of the Labour Party that would be to continue the fight against austerity, challenge the lockdown etc. So, it is unfortunate that our Parliament is governed by Israel and the USA. I haven’t heard Stoogie or Johnson utter one word of condemnation about the annexation of the West Bank by Bibi.
 
I forgot to mention that, in the interview Corbyn gave to Middle East Eye, he was asked about the ECHR ‘inestigation’ into alleged anti-semitism within the Party. Corbyn (and I am paraphrasing here) was dubious as to its outcome because he said, recently, the ECHR has now been brought under Government control so is now a formal part of the Government. Neat eh? It makes sense to me now that the ECHR said they would not pursue an investigation into Islamaphobia in the Tory Party because Johnson had said they would conduct an impartial full investigation into it. Problem: No investigation has been announced yet.
 
With regards to Stoogie’s inquiry into who leaked that report rather than dealing with the people who were clearly racists, bullies, sabboteurs etc (some of who he has promoted in the Party) I would refer you to Skwawkbox – they’ve got some very good narrative on it. They are also, utterly anti Starmer. I don’t know their base but they certainly seem to have a lot of insider information about Unions and the Labour Party. They are generally on the money. However, they have bought, lock stock and barrel this CV-19 bullshit.

George Mc
George Mc
Jun 16, 2020 1:46 PM
Reply to  Jo Dominich

It may sound defeatist of me to say so, but the moment I found out the election results, I felt so devastated at the rejection of Corbyn, I felt I couldn’t give a flying fuck about what happened to the Labour Party after that. Corbyn was the last gasp of the old Labour and therefore about 40 years “out of date” i.e. he didn’t fit in with the neoliberal zombie creature spawned through Thatcher (but not by her since I regard her as another puppet).
 
It’s not even that I regard the Zionists as being that important. It was simply a matter of anything that “did the job” of demonising Corbyn – I imagine the thought process behind the scenes as “Oh what can we use? Well Hitler/Nazis/ Holocaust is always the best Pavlovian button so let’s go for that!” And since it works – at least as a handy moronic shorthand throughout the media, then they’ll keep using it. So Starmer will do the little bear dance for Melanie Philips just as Craig Murray had his balls cut off by Jake Wallis Simons.
 
The one good thing about the corona bulllshit is that it effectively blanketed out everything else so we didn’t have to see too much of the excruciating self-castration of Labour.  

Jo Dominich
Jo Dominich
Jun 16, 2020 6:37 PM
Reply to  George Mc

Hi George, The Times ran an article yesterday effectively telling Starmer he had to get rid of all the Corbyn Supporters. Stoogie will do it as well because he is a BoD stooge and an MSM stooge. If he does that, the Labour Party is no more. It will be nothing more than the Conservative Party mark 2. He hasn’t got a single labour value in his head and neither has his Cabinet with the exception of Rebecca Long-Bailey and David Lammy.
 
What I think is really interesting is why is this Corbyn bashing still going on by the BoD and the MSM, they got what they wanted so why continue it. There’s something there but what. I think Corbyn won the hearts and minds of the Nation in the election campaign and he was the teller of truth. Something in me tells me he is still a problem to the establishment. For me, I think in some way, if you like, Corbyn will rise again especially at these times of unrest (which I think are not necessarily going to abate). I wouldn’t be surprised if we see him at public rallies and other public forums.
 
I know I’m going to come into a lot of stick on this site for saying this but, under the Blair/Brown Government this country enjoyed a sustained period of prosperity, stability and intelligent policies that were good for the vulnerable, for local government, the NHS amongst other. There was significant Government investment into the infrastructure and certainly, there was a significant decline in Youth Offending as result of investment in the system. The difference firstly, between Blair and Stoogie is that I believe, at heart, Blair had strong socialist principles he navigated policies that helped the poor and the vulnerable with policies that stimulated industry. There was heavy investment in sheltered and extra care housing which led to the rationalisation of the care home industry which is a very poor level of service provision. Blair was backed by Gordon Brown who is a true, committed socialist and would have made a very good Prime Minister had the MSM, once again, not savaged him because he refused to call an election when they told him too. People forget that, internationally, Brown was praised for the strategies he implemented when we were in depression such as the scrappage scheme (which saved the car industry) and other strategies. They were so successful they have been adopted internationally. Now we have this chronic mess. Then Corbyn came on the scene like a breath of fresh air with a proper manifesto and set of policies that would set this nation back on its feet again. That would never do though.
 
Now we have a LOTO who doesn’t understand politics at all, has only been an MP for 5 years and who was knighted by Thatcher who, in his victory speech said he didn’t intend to mount any opposition just ask the Government to ‘correct mistakes’ that are made. Like austerity is a mistake is it? Well, so the LOTO does not er intend to provide any opposition.

Einstein
Einstein
Jun 14, 2020 3:04 PM
Reply to  Jilly

So why are you at war with ukcolumnnews which consistently calls out this government’s sinister propaganda machine and its globalist, tyrannical war on dissent ?

Jilly
Jilly
Jun 14, 2020 3:29 PM
Reply to  Einstein

Because I believe they are part of the ‘sinister propaganda machine’. The Alt-right are essentially the political wing of the security services, under US control, who have developed their own solutions of how we should all live and they are of course authoritarian, white Christian, doctrines. They hate the left, they hate democracy, they hate anything that gets in the way of their white supremacist dictatorship. They support in part the monopoly corporate facist of the USA, look at Farage and his views on the NHS.
 
The fifth column are about subverting British interests to US interests, that is what they are even if they don’t know that is what they are.

Philippe
Philippe
Jun 14, 2020 4:09 PM
Reply to  Jilly

I believe they are part of the ‘sinister propaganda machine’.

 
Well they’re a bit shit at propaganda then. Maybe they misread the memo from their intelligence service ‘masters’.
 
So, instead of defending them, they constantly highlight how and why they are a threat both to the UK and democracy in general.
 
Alternatively, yours could be some strange usage of the world ‘propaganda’ that I wasn’t previously aware of.

snuffleupagus
snuffleupagus
Jun 14, 2020 8:57 PM
Reply to  Philippe

alternatively, maybe the actual covert propaganda machine has a direct interest in slandering its opponents, by accusing them of being sinister right-wing propagandists. that this is even possible, is because nobody knows what “left” and “right” even mean anymore. imagine such delusional idiocies as transgenderism being passed off as “left-wing”, and most people who identify as such, obediently swallowing this claim.

Philippe
Philippe
Jun 14, 2020 9:49 PM
Reply to  snuffleupagus

More than happy to entertain that possibility.
 
(If so, I’m somewhat disappointed. I thought they would be a bit more … well, sophisticated. The whole ‘blunt instrument’ thing is a bit obvious.)
 
Usually, when people post obvious shite on here, they make one or two comments then fuck off when it becomes clear that nobody is buying their rubbish. There are a lot of intelligent people posting on here regularly so the trolls can’t just get away with making some off-the-cuff comment and hope to gain traction. They probably disappear back to Twitter where that sort of thing seems to work.
 
However, when one of them sticks around and continues to press a position that defies evidence and rational analysis, one does have to wonder why. Repeated debunking of their claims doesn’t seem to bother them. Now, we do have our ‘regulars’ here who follow the same pattern, but we know who they are and, most of the time, just humour them.
 
I agree re the ‘left’/’right’ labels. Never been a fan of labels myself – the world is not that simple. But, even the generic, basic understanding of what ‘left’ and ‘right’ stand for has melted away now. Time will tell whether that is a good thing.

Einstein
Einstein
Jun 14, 2020 6:48 PM
Reply to  Jilly

Believe what you want, Madam.
Since the ukcolumnnews supports Julian Assange, is highly critical of British support of jihadis in Syria and criticizes Nigel Farage’s acquiescence to EU military union, it goes against three (and many more) of the US/UK Deep State’s sacred cows (aka ‘red lines’).
Your view of ukcolumnnews is idiosyncratic bordering on incoherent.

snuffleupagus
snuffleupagus
Jun 14, 2020 8:59 PM
Reply to  Einstein

… bordering on disinformational.

Objective
Objective
Jun 14, 2020 3:05 PM
Reply to  Jilly

Oh oh my socialist antenna is twitching! Remind me again what is socialist policy on lock-down & PPE?

Jilly
Jilly
Jun 14, 2020 3:31 PM
Reply to  Objective

Do you know what socialism is ? did marx have a view on lockdown?

Objective
Objective
Jun 14, 2020 3:35 PM
Reply to  Jilly

Ah the old answer a question with a question deflection when you’ve run out of argument. The old ones are always the best.

Jilly
Jilly
Jun 14, 2020 3:42 PM
Reply to  Objective

Whooosh!. ……………My question points out that your terms are unusable, not fit for this discussion………what does this butter think about the neoliberalism? useless.

Almondson
Almondson
Jun 15, 2020 3:26 PM
Reply to  Jilly

Because the left are the traitors who let the enemy in. Read Orwell’s A Tribute to Catalunya to see that the left has always been traitorous. Spain got 40 years of Franco thanks to them, and 100 years later Corbyn, by far a lesser of two evils and the UK’s last chance to avoid becoming an all-out US/Israel capitalist proxy, was killed by the Guardianista left.
 
Whereas the right are upfront about their abusive intentions, the left are double-faced shysters, the perennial victims, the finger pointers and experts at scapegoating.
 
 
 
 

Jo Dominich
Jo Dominich
Jun 15, 2020 7:26 PM
Reply to  Almondson

Strange that Almondson, because the Left were the ones who created the NHS, a national,free education service, the welfare state, employment rights and so much more. The Labour Party Manifesto was not traitorous it set out a clear set of policies based on keynsian economics that would put this nation back on its feet. Jilly is right,it’s the Right that has now become so far right that it is rapidly looking like the Nazi party. Don’t mistake stoogie starmer as being from the Left. He’s a self-interested, media Stooge. The MSM are running the narrative that it was all Corbyn’s fault. BS. The MSM are trying to build Starmer up when his performance to date as LOTO is abysmal. I don’t think he has mounted an opposition to anything yet.

Jo Dominich
Jo Dominich
Jun 15, 2020 7:09 PM
Reply to  Jilly

jilly, thanks for this very large dose of common sense.

JudyJ
JudyJ
Jun 14, 2020 2:11 PM

Personal account No 2 in the above article prompted me to comment on a couple of recent illuminating conversations I have had. The first was with a lady I met in a local park who explained to me that she was a lawyer and considered that she had an enquiring mind leading her to be sceptical and critical of all we were being told. We ended up chatting for over an hour. One of the things she said was that her son’s girlfriend was a trainee midwife who had been asked to diversify by ‘training’ for duties on the intensive care ward. “She has just done a day’s course to learn procedures that she would normally be expected to attend an eight week course on”.
 
The second conversation has been with my immediate neighbour who, coincidentally, is a fully qualified midwife. Ten weeks ago she was asked to switch to IC duties. Her rota since then has been:
 
Week 1 – in attendance for ‘IC duties’
Week 2 – pre-booked annual leave
Week 3 – in attendance for ‘IC duties’
Week 4-8 – fully paid ‘standby’ at home, no call out.
Week 9 – in attendance for ‘IC duties’
Week 10 – pre-booked annual leave
 
So, no ‘furlough’ for NHS staff as this would no doubt raise questions, but fully paid ‘standby’ instead. I even ask myself whether her return to work in week 9 was more to do with maintaining credibility and/or full pay status than anything else, or possibly enabling her to retain her right to her pre-booked annual leave week.
 
 

Objective
Objective
Jun 14, 2020 3:11 PM
Reply to  JudyJ

My god they do have a lot of holidays, nurses, if not only for the fact my wife’s always bloody home & lockup stopped me going out to get away from her, I protest lockup!
 
I do love her, much more when shes not here 🙂

Mike Ellwood
Mike Ellwood
Jun 14, 2020 9:37 PM
Reply to  JudyJ

If she was on standby for 5 whole weeks without being called in, it does rather suggest that the ICU in question was not exactly over-burdened with work.

Jo Dominich
Jo Dominich
Jun 14, 2020 1:58 PM

Well, my anger levels at the NHS are almost stratospheric now. I am sick and tired and I mean furious about all this clapping for the NHS. I am going to speak plainly, the NHS has done jack shit, absolutely nothing to treat or assist patients with SUSPECTED Covid-19. They are running in some areas at almost 3/4 empty. As these personal testimonies make clear, you can’t even get an appointment with a GP however desperately ill you are and I strongly suspect, if you are over 70yrs you won’t even get one of those. People are dying or becoming desperately ill not from CV-19 but from massive NHS failures. All elective surgery cancelled, all life saving treatment (cancer, renal etc) cancelled, all scans cancelled, out-patient’s closed and so on and so forth. Dentists? Don’t even get me started. The NHS should be criticised in the most severe manner not adulated. Their staff are all at home on full pay (not furlouged) doing nothing.
 
For years now the NHS has been a totally failing service. Patients are an inconvenience for them. They have thousands more managers and tiers of managers than the number of acute beds. They have squandered £140bn of public money year on year with every year bringing more cuts to front line services and more increases in highly paid management and administrative posts.
 
The NHS must be delighted absolutely delighted not to have any pesky patients to deal with. There is no reason at all, absolutely none, why they can’t fill the wards up again and start to get to grips with the backlog of elective surgery, of life saving treatment, of GP services doing what they get paid to do and so on and so forth. The thing is, they don’t bloody well want to do they? They are happy in their failing, inward looking organisation where all the focus is on themselves and not on delivering a quality service to patients. How long are the Government going to allow this serious failure to treat patients to continue? Let’s be clear about one thing, the NHS is there to provide early diagnosis, preventative treatment, crisis treatment, crises medical intervention, elective surgery, scans etc. It is there to treat the Nation at times of peak medical crises. They have willingly abnegated these responsibilities because they have been allowed to do so. They don’t care, they’re still getting their pay rises, still in their cushy little jobs only this time, they actually don’t have to do anything. It has failed the Nation utterly and without any conscience.
 
They don’t deserve clap, adulation or praise. They deserve to be sanctioned, called to account and forced to return to work, open the wards and start delivering healthcare to people who need it. That’s where £140bn worth of public money should be spent.

Jilly
Jilly
Jun 14, 2020 2:30 PM
Reply to  Jo Dominich

Why are you attacking the NHS, when it was ordered to do this by government, surly you should be attacking the right-wing government in the UK, Not the structures of the NHS.

Objective
Objective
Jun 14, 2020 3:12 PM
Reply to  Jilly

A plane with only a right wing would crash!

jilly
jilly
Jun 14, 2020 3:52 PM
Reply to  Objective

As would a comment without any sense.

Objective
Objective
Jun 15, 2020 9:52 AM
Reply to  jilly

Socialists don’t like opposition! But I digress, still waiting for your definition of right wing? You must know you keep using the term.

Jim McDonagh
Jim McDonagh
Jun 14, 2020 3:52 PM
Reply to  Jilly

The NHS has has a right wing structure since Maggie Thatcher rearranged it back in the 1980s, assisted by her acolyte Tony Blair, and those that followed.

bob
bob
Jun 14, 2020 4:25 PM
Reply to  Jilly

When it came into being the nhs was stuffed with clinicians – admin amounted to about 6% of the workforce. Admin in today’s nhs is 30% and clinicians/ nursing staff and others have made way for this. Also, don’t forget that all management are Common Purpose trained. Don’t forget that the 2012 Health & Social Care Act removed the responsibility of the Health minister to run the nhs – that job went to Simon Stevens who’s background was in private healthcare. Today the two main people standing each side of the minister giving the covid update are both from the private sector – Whitty has received £40 million from bill gates and Vallance was hired directly from GSK.
 
The private sector is already established in the uk and as such is available, as we have seen again in the covid hoax, to replace the nhs in offering healthcare as soon as politicians want it to happen. But let’s not worry about 10 million people having their operations cancelled, having out-patients cancelled, having services denied them, oh and dying – the nhs is complicit in it’s support for murdering people no matter how you want to spin it – it is also obvious that it is killing itself by such neglectful behaviour
 

Jo Dominich
Jo Dominich
Jun 15, 2020 2:32 PM
Reply to  Jilly

Hi Jilly, it isn’t just about CV-19, the NHS has been seriously failing patients for at least 20 years. It is nothing more than a self-serving, inward looking organisation. Human life is cheap to them especially those of the elderly. Around 13 years or so ago the inestimable Audit Commission did an in-depth review of the NHS. One of the key issues was that contempt for the elderly was deep rooted, endemic and historic within the NHS which resulted in older people being denied proper treatment, rehabilitation services and other relevant services. This derived from the absolute contempt of older people within the organisation. It also said that the NHS is populated with tiers and tiers of highly paid managers and administrators the majority of who had tiny sphere’s of responsibility and were not competent for the jobs they held. They found a lot more than this but these are two key things that I remember at the time. The Staffordshire report was damning about the institutional bullying, incompetence, disregard for patient care (yes they found that the hospital put their staff before patients) and there was a ‘cover up’ culture. These issues are rife in most hospitals and Trusts within the country it is a constant not a variable.
 
So, may be the Government did ‘order’ hospitals to clear their beds but, as soon as it became clear the hospitals were running sometimes up to 3/4 empty the Chief Executives of the hospitals should have approached the Government and told them they had to re-open to start to tackle the delayed elective surgery, to deliver essential life saving treatment like chemo and renal dialysis and more, so that preventative or early diagnostic services should re-open to detect and treat early and so on and so forth. They didn’t though did they? Once it was established that the Nightingale Hospitals were running empty and then put on ‘standby’ hospitals should have fully re-opened. Note also that, the group most at risk of CV-19 are the 80yrs+ with two or more comorbid conditions. This is precisely the patient group who require hospital treatment who are being denied admission by them. That is not a Government directive that is an NHS choice. With GPs refusing to visit care homes it is genocide of the elderly by any other name. The deep rooted contempt highlighted by the Audit Commission is at the fore of these decisions.
 
NHS Chief executives are autonomous. They are the ones that make the decisions to axe beds, axe front line staff, axe services, not the Government. I cannot get over how, a failing organisation that takes £140bn a year of public money and has the lowest number of acute beds per capita population in the world, that has way fewer Doctors and Nurses at the frontline than the whole of the developed world, that is top heavy with tiers and tiers of highly paid managers (who nationally I believe, are higher in number than the totality of the acute beds) is excused so much. Nobody seems to question how or why the NHS had accrued £13bn worth of debts especially when they deliver so little.
 
At the moment, at least in most of the country, GPs surgeries are closed. That was most definitely not a Government directive. As UK Column witnesses say, you can only get a telephone consultation and that’s not without a considerable fight to get. There is absolutely no reason at all why the Dentists are not working. They haven’t yet given a valid excuse.
 
Now, you might not agree with me but, if I am not mistaken The NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE (I have put it in caps to remind us that it is an organisation that provides a nationwide health service) is there to provide early diagnosis and treatment, preventative treatment, crisis and emergency treatment, curative treatment, life saving treatment and so on and so forth. The problem though, is they are truly contemptuous of patients (as Staffordshire showed). They like getting their over inflated salaries without having to do any work for it and not having to treat those pesky patients that get in the way of their cushy little jobs.
 
So, we are in the midst of a totally fabricated health crisis in this country in which the Government and NHS are glibly falsifying figures and data and what do we have? We have a Health Service that has totally closed down. That’s an intelligent use of £140bn per year isn’t it? It isn’t even providing a barely skeleton service and genuinely sick people cannot get treatment. The number of excess deaths? You have the answer right there. It’s just as well isn’t it that this isn’t a real pandemic? It is now down to the Hospital Chief Executives to restart elective surgery, for all GPs to open fully and stop being such prima donnas and for the Dentists to get off their backsides and get back to work.

Almondson
Almondson
Jun 15, 2020 3:41 PM
Reply to  Jilly

Were they ordered by the government? The zombie doctor I spoke to told me the orders came from the medical authority, whatever its name was.
 

Steve Hayes
Steve Hayes
Jun 14, 2020 2:32 PM
Reply to  Jo Dominich

Dungroanin is pushing the propaganda that the NHS is providing treatment normally. He even has an actual study: https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.06.08.20119636v1.full.pdf
and, if that is not enough, he has an anecdote, which, according to him, proves that lockdown is not killing people, so all excess deaths are COVID 19 deaths, regardless of what it says on the death certificate.

Philippe
Philippe
Jun 14, 2020 2:49 PM
Reply to  Steve Hayes

Imagine! Didn’t see that coming. No, not at all.
 
It’s almost as if there is a pattern to his (her?) behaviour 🙂

Steve Hayes
Steve Hayes
Jun 14, 2020 2:56 PM
Reply to  Philippe

Do you think I might be guilty of misgendering Dungroanin? I understand that is now worse than any (actual) crime. Maybe I will be receiving a visit from the thought police.

snuffleupagus
snuffleupagus
Jun 14, 2020 3:02 PM
Reply to  Steve Hayes

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Objective
Objective
Jun 14, 2020 3:15 PM
Reply to  Steve Hayes

I do hope not, cos you wont be safe anywhere & risk losing your job & home for such HATEFUL speech!

Steve Hayes
Steve Hayes
Jun 14, 2020 3:24 PM
Reply to  Objective

Titania McGrath has probably tweeted about it already.

Philippe
Philippe
Jun 14, 2020 4:25 PM
Reply to  Steve Hayes

It’s a good point.
 
I’ve lost track of just how many genders we are expected to recognise these days.
 
Maybe we’re both guilty because Dun(ning Kruger)groanin identifies as something neither of us has even heard of.

Steve Hayes
Steve Hayes
Jun 14, 2020 4:33 PM
Reply to  Philippe

Last I heard there were seventy-one; but that’s probably out of date.

Philippe
Philippe
Jun 14, 2020 4:36 PM
Reply to  Steve Hayes

If you heard that this morning, then by now (late afternoon) it’s well and truly out of date.

Mike Ellwood
Mike Ellwood
Jun 14, 2020 9:57 PM
Reply to  Steve Hayes

Maybe….but I think we all know you are just pulling his wire.

Steve Hayes
Steve Hayes
Jun 15, 2020 9:01 AM
Reply to  Mike Ellwood

No, I am criticising his constant misinformation, disinformation and propagandising for fascism.

Jo Dominich
Jo Dominich
Jun 15, 2020 2:34 PM
Reply to  Steve Hayes

Hi Steve, well, well, well it’s no surprise to me! However, to the brain washed believers in this scamdemic, the truth is probably highly offensive.

rachel
rachel
Jun 14, 2020 2:53 PM
Reply to  Jo Dominich

terrain theory would put the blame on the pudrid terrain thinking vaxx cult had the slightest interest in helping detox a lymphatic expression. how do you think they get cancer patients if not by supressing detox symptoms? parasites only turn up when there is a putrid bacon n egg terrain. someone has to say it.

lundiel
lundiel
Jun 14, 2020 2:53 PM
Reply to  Jo Dominich

People will turn against the NHS and demand change. Change will be part government funding, part insurance contributions by customer and employer….. you’ve got to hand it to them, cracking way to destroy faith in the institution held in highest public regard.

Objective
Objective
Jun 14, 2020 3:17 PM
Reply to  lundiel

Every cloud…..Least they wont be able to kill so many people.

Jo Dominich
Jo Dominich
Jun 15, 2020 2:44 PM
Reply to  lundiel

Lundiel, I see what you are saying but I don’t think that’s any part of this. The NHS has been failing for many years. They grossly misuse public money (Tony Blair’s Government invested hundreds of millions in the Modernisation Agenda which funding was for implementing modern procedures, modern medical technology, bring up outcomes for the UK in line with those of Europe and the rest of the world (and we are way down the list in terms of outcomes in this country). What did they unashamedly use that money for? Well, not one single modern treatment was implemented, there were no increase in patient numbers seen or treated, zero improvement in outcomes and a total lack of accountability of where the money went to. Where it went (and I speak as an insider) was to regrade Consultants on to massive salaries, same with GPs, with the regrading of Professions Allied to Medicine (PAMS) who are effectively technicians, to grades way above the level that they are working. It went to create yet more and more tiers of managers. Not a single penny, not one, went on improved, modernised patient care, early diagnosis and treatment, a high standard of preventative care and treatment etc etc.
 
I don’t understand why Government upon Government don’t look into just where the money the NHS takes is going to. Two years ago the Maybot gave the NHS £20bn for the alleged winter pressures. Where did that money go? Not on services, not on any more beds being opened, not on any more staff on the front line. Where then, did it go. This year, you will hear the same old bleat about Winter Pressures. Why, year after year after year, are they singing this tired old song without having put plans in place to ring-fence funding from their budget for this period? I could go on but I won’t.

lundiel
lundiel
Jun 15, 2020 2:52 PM
Reply to  Jo Dominich

I agree. The problem no one will tackle is that doctors are self employed.

John Smith
John Smith
Jun 14, 2020 3:07 PM
Reply to  Jo Dominich

My first thought at the beginning of the clapping nonsense was “nhs getting set up for a humongous fall”.

And here we are.

Jo Dominich
Jo Dominich
Jun 15, 2020 2:48 PM
Reply to  John Smith

Hi John Smith, I’m afraid I cannot agree with you about the NHS being set up for a humungous fall. The fall is their fault in it’s entirety. They are a seriously failing organisation and that’s not due to underfunding either. Nobody ever seems to ask where the money is going, it certainly isn’t being used in its majority for patient care. I do agree with you though that all this clapping is nonsense.

Steve Hayes
Steve Hayes
Jun 15, 2020 3:32 PM
Reply to  Jo Dominich

A massive amount of that money is being wasted on the PFI deals, which enabled private companies to siphon off eye-watering amounts of public money for year after year, decade after decade. Each year the NHS hands over billions to the private companies. PFI has been likened (I don’t recall by whom) to buying your house on your credit card.

Steve Hayes
Steve Hayes
Jun 14, 2020 3:10 PM
Reply to  Jo Dominich

I am sure you will remember the inquiry into Mid Staffordshire Hospital and that we were all told it would never happen again. The main summary findings of the inquiry were:

  • a ‘Somebody Else’s Problem’ attitude among hospital staff – perceived problems were too often assumed to be the responsibility of others 
  • an institutional culture that cared more about the needs of the hospital staff than the patients 
  • an unacceptable willingness to tolerate poor standards of patient care 
  • a failure to accept and respond to legitimate complaints 
  • a failure of different teams within the hospital, as well as in the wider community, to communicate and share their concerns 
  • a failure of leadership – in particular, financial changes needed to achieve Foundation Trust status were seen, by the inquiry, to take precedence over patient care 

Those findings now sound like they could be equally applied to the NHS as a whole.

lundiel
lundiel
Jun 14, 2020 3:36 PM
Reply to  Steve Hayes

I disagree. The mid staffs débâcle was a political action backed by dodgy stats from someone whose modelling is no longer employed. That is not to say there weren’t structural problems there and in other hospitals, there were and are.
IMO much of the problems stem from the internal market out in place initially by Blair and seriously ramped up by the coalition.
If you got rid of the internal market and all its attendant managers, auditors, admin and accountants and returned to front line ward management, most of the problems would disappear.

Steve Hayes
Steve Hayes
Jun 14, 2020 3:42 PM
Reply to  lundiel

I am not sure I know what you are disagreeing with. Is the reference to “dodgy stats” supposed to imply that you dispute the number of people who died as a result of the criminal negligence?

lundiel
lundiel
Jun 14, 2020 4:46 PM
Reply to  Steve Hayes

Yes.

lundiel
lundiel
Jun 14, 2020 4:58 PM
Reply to  lundiel

They relied on the Dr Foster morbidity modelling based at Imperial College London…..ring any bells?
PS Dr Foster sought to gain financially.

Steve Hayes
Steve Hayes
Jun 15, 2020 9:03 AM
Reply to  lundiel

The number of estimated unnecessary deaths was between four and twelve hundred. How many do you think it was?

lundiel
lundiel
Jun 14, 2020 5:26 PM
Reply to  Steve Hayes

It’s not very different to the hospital in Portsmouth where relatives smell payouts.

lundiel
lundiel
Jun 14, 2020 5:50 PM
Reply to  lundiel

On a purely personal level. I sincerely pray that political interference doesn’t deprive me of a relatively painless death.

JudyJ
JudyJ
Jun 14, 2020 5:24 PM
Reply to  Steve Hayes

Steve
 
MidStaffs hospital was scapegoated to distract the public from the endemic shortcomings within the NHS nationally. The idea, and it worked on the whole, was to have an enquiry focusing on one establishment to reassure the public that the health authorities take complaints seriously and ‘learn lessons’. The same was also true of Gosport. A later enquiry into the latter case also found that Government mandarins were complicit in a cover up.
 
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/officials-misled-coroner-who-warned-of-hospital-opiate-deaths-6mj6mxxt3
 
The only reason that these cases came to light was that relatives of patients who were victims of the endemic mistreatment of elderly people were wise, brave and determined enough to challenge it. The woman who initially highlighted the shortcomings in Mid Staffs hospital, Julie Bailey, was eventually, after the case concluded, hounded out of her home and had to leave Staffordshire altogether after persecution and threats by ‘caring and compassionate’ NHS staff.
 
I was particularly interested in the circumstances investigated at Gosport as my mother was subjected to precisely the same mistreatment in a major teaching hospital in the NorthWest of England. Dr Jane Barton’s reputation was sacrificed for accepted widespread practices throughout the country which are still going on and are not related to funding – it is a sociopathic mindset within the NHS.
 
 
 
 

Nemo Nomark
Nemo Nomark
Jun 15, 2020 12:48 AM
Reply to  JudyJ

Well said Judy.
 
I believe the teaching hospital in the North West you mention could be the same one I have described in earlier posts about my mother’s mistreatment.
 
Did they also have a scandal about babies dying in the maternity unit of one of their trust’s hospitals?

JudyJ
JudyJ
Jun 15, 2020 10:16 AM
Reply to  Nemo Nomark

Hi Nemo
 
I know the hospital you are referring to and no it isn’t the same health trust. I don’t mind revealing that my mother was diabolically treated – as we exchanged comments on before – at Wythenshawe Hospital in South Manchester.
 
I’ll be honest with you, some may ask why we didn’t officially complain although we did make our views known on the ward whilst mum was incarcerated there. The truth is we wanted to get mum out of there to the safety of home as soon as possible so knew that we would jeopardise any co-operation from medical and social staff if we formally complained. They told us that once mum was home they “would be keeping an eye on her and at the [ironically!] first sign of us treating her in a way that was not in her best interests [they] would remove her from our care”. We took this as a tacit warning not to make a fuss or else…. The Italian Mafiosi would have been proud of the set up there.
 
Mum lived in her own home for a further five years but, be assured, my brother still has copious notes about her medical treatment, and the scornful condescending treatment we received.

Nemo Nomark
Nemo Nomark
Jun 15, 2020 4:15 PM
Reply to  JudyJ

Hello Judy,
 
I also had the veiled threats, and even a social services investigation of neglect initiated by healthcare professionals, which was categorically disproved.
 
The CQC staff that I contacted were sympathetic, and said they would accept a formal complaint, but could not act on individual cases, only use them to assemble reasonable grounds for an overall investigation.
 
The hospital Trust in question had already been censured by the CQC for the maternity scandal, but only low level staff were penalised. The real high level culprits escaped prosecution, i.e. the consultants and senior managers, as is the norm. The hospital staff used various means to frustrate the investigation, including raiding the medical records archives to purge or alter incrimidating evidence. Pictures of medical records scattered around the floor of the archives vault were even published in the local newspaper, supplied by an anonymous member of staff with a conscience. The head of the Trust was allowed to resign but has since continued in other high level employment.
 
The system is set up to protect them, the whole complaints procedure is simply window dressing. The only option open is for financial compensation from the Trust, blood money which I am not prepared to accept. It is also money that will be removed from patient care, another unacceptable outcome for me.
 
I have since come to terms with the fact that nothing will be done about our families particular case, but I know these people will suffer for their behaviour. The real culprits were already showing signs of mental illness, narcissism, severe personality disorder etc.. and will live in fear constantly. There is no doubt they will reap what they sow, in this life and the next.

Steve Hayes
Steve Hayes
Jun 15, 2020 8:24 AM
Reply to  JudyJ

Judy I do not see anything in your comment that supports your contention that Mid Staffs was scapegoated. A scapegoat is an innocent who is blamed for the sins of others. Mid Staffs was guilty.

JudyJ
JudyJ
Jun 15, 2020 9:50 AM
Reply to  Steve Hayes

Steve
 
Yes, you’re right. I should have chosen my description more carefully. I was trying to convey succinctly (but failed!) that they were used to draw attention away from the sins of others, equally culpable. ‘Scapegoats’ they were certainly not, I agree, and I apologise for misuse of the term which gives them a victimhood definitely not due to them.
 

Jo Dominich
Jo Dominich
Jun 15, 2020 2:49 PM
Reply to  Steve Hayes

Steve, thank you for this summary, it is excellent. And yes, it does portray the NHS as a whole. It’s shocking really but I am wiling to bet nothing has actually changed at Staffordshire Hospital.

Steve Hayes
Steve Hayes
Jun 15, 2020 3:04 PM
Reply to  Jo Dominich

I suspect things are worse, as whenever there is an inquiry into malpractice, the invariable outcome is that the recommendations are for more bureaucracy and management/administrative control; instead of a focus on patient care. The NHS is run in the interests of the NHS. One might almost think that the organisation’s motto is: everything would be wonderful if it were not for the patients and their whining relatives. I suspect lots of people in the NHS are very happy about the current lack of patients as they are able to get on with their real work.

Jo Dominich
Jo Dominich
Jun 15, 2020 5:56 PM
Reply to  Steve Hayes

Hi Steve, this is music to my ears. It’s nice to now some people acknowledge the truth about the NHS.

Mike Ellwood
Mike Ellwood
Jun 14, 2020 9:45 PM
Reply to  Jo Dominich

To be fair, my elderly mother was called in for a routine scan at our main hospital last week. (It happens to be a university trust teaching hospital; don’t know if that makes any difference).
 
She’s also been written to a few weeks ago, asking her to ring up for an appointment at her GP’s surgery. She didn’t want to risk it at the time, but now is prepared to, so is planning to ring up for an appointment this week. I will be interested to see if she gets one. (I will be the taxi-driver if she does). Also, her GP rang her up the other week, just to see how she is, which was nice. She’s probably his oldest patient, so he does keep an eye on her.
 
So maybe in this neck of the woods at least, the NHS is kinda sorta creaking back into some kind of normal service.

Jo Dominich
Jo Dominich
Jun 15, 2020 2:53 PM
Reply to  Mike Ellwood

Hi Mike, it sounds to me that your mother is lucky enough to live possibly in one of the areas that has a local NHS focussed on quality patient care which is very rare. It is good to know though that some elderly people are being treated well.
 
The GPs around here are still closed as are the dentists and I think it is the same for the majority of the country.

Jack
Jack
Jun 14, 2020 1:41 PM

There is the intriguing possibility that exposure to the Euro-American strain of Covid-19 may endow resistance to the more dangerous Wuhan strain. That this may indeed be the case is suggested by the large number of people that appear to be naturally resistant to the virus. These people being resistant due to their previous exposure to the Euro-American strain.
 
From here: http://www.preearth.net/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=1184

Mo' Gabby
Mo' Gabby
Jun 14, 2020 1:46 PM