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NHS Consultant Says Staff Are Being Silenced Over COVID19

First published on The Bernician, the below statement is allegedly from a senior consultant working for the NHS in a hospital in Surrey.
Although we cannot verify his or her identity, we still think our readers should see it 1) because it dovetails with other verified reports, and 2) if it is what it alleges to be, it sheds concerning light on the state of things inside the healthcare system

I am a consultant at a major, regional hospital in Surrey. By major you can take that to indicate that we have an A&E department. I had agreed to give an interview to an anti lockdown activist in which I would have revealed my identity. I have since changed my mind and only feel able to give an anonymous statement.

I have changed my mind simply because that all staff, no matter what grade, at all hospitals have been warned that if they give any media interviews at all or make any statements to either the Main Stream Press or smaller, independent press/social media we may, immediately be suspended without pay. I have a family, dependents and I simply cant do it to them.

I therefore can not reveal my identity at this time but wish to state as follows:

In my opinion, and that of many of my colleagues, there has been no Covid Pandemic, certainly not in the Surrey region and I have heard from other colleagues this picture is the same throughout the country. Our hospital would normally expect to see around 350,000 out patients a year. Around 95,000 patients are admitted to hospital in a normal year and we would expect to see around a similar figure, perhaps 100,000 patients pass through our A&E department.

In the months from March to June (inclusive) we would normally expect to see 100,000 out patients, around 30,000 patients admitted to hospital and perhaps 30,000 pass through A&E. This year (and these figures are almost impossible to get hold of) we are over 95% down on all those numbers. In effect, the hospital has been pretty much empty for that entire period.

At the start, staff that questioned this were told that we were being used as ‘redundant’ capacity, kept back for the ‘deluge’ we were told would come. It never did come, and when staff began to question this, comments like, ‘for the greater good’ and to ‘protect the NHS’ came down from above. Now its just along the lines of, ‘Shut up or you don’t get paid’.

The few Covid cases that we have had get repeatedly tested, and every single test counted as a new case. Meaning the figures reported back to ONS/PHE (Office for National Statistics & Public Health England) were almost exponentially inflated. It could be that Covid cases reported by hospitals are between 5 to 10x higher than the real number of cases. There has been no pandemic and this goes a long way to explain why figures for the UK are so much higher than anywhere else in Europe.

The trust has been running empty ambulances during lockdown and is still doing it now. By this I mean ambulances are driving around, with their emergency alert systems active (sirens &/or lights) with no job to go to. This I believe has been to give the impression to the public that there is more demand for ambulances than there actually is. Staff only wear face coverings/masks & social distance when public facing, as soon as they are out of public view, the masks come off and social distancing is not observed.

Indeed jokes are made about the measures, and I have heard staff express amazement that despite warnings on packets and at point of sales, telling people masks are totally ineffective and dangerous, the public still buy them, because a politician has told them too.

We have cancelled the vast majority of operations and of these ALL elective surgery has been cancelled. That’s surgery that has been pre planned / waiting list. Non-elective Surgery, this tends to be emergency surgery or that which is deemed urgent has been severely curtailed. The outcome of this is simple. People are at best being denied basic medical care and at worst, being left to die, in some cases, in much distress and pain.

Regarding death certification. All staff that are responsible for this have been encouraged where possible to put Covid-19 complications as reason for death, even though the patient may have been asymptomatic and also not even tested for covid. I feel this simply amounts to fraudulently completed death certificates and has been responsible to grossly inflating the number of Covid deaths.

The fact is that regardless of what you actually die of in hospital, it is likely that Covid-19 will feature on your death certificate. I have included with my statement the detailed published guidance from Government on Death Certification which shows how Covid-19, as a factor is encouraged to at least feature on a death certificate.

Remember Covid-19 itself can not kill. What kills is complications from the virus, typically pneumonia like symptoms. These complications are in reality incredibly rare but have featured and a large amount of death certificates issued in recent months. As long as Covid-19 appears on a death certificate, that death is counted as Covid-19 in the figures released by the ONS and PHE.

I genuinely believe that many death certificates, especially amongst the older 65+ demographic have been fraudulently completed so as to be counted as Covid-19 deaths when in reality Covid-19 complications did not cause the death.

There have been Thursday nights when I stood, alone in my office and cried as I heard people cheering and clapping outside. It sickens me to see all the ‘Thank You NHS’ signs up everywhere and the stolen rainbow that for me now says one word and word only; fear.

There are many good people in the NHS and whilst I do not plead forgiveness for myself, I do plead for them. Most are on low pay, they joined for the right reasons and I did and have been bullied and threatened that if they don’t ‘stay on message’ they don’t eat. I know that if a way could be found to assure staff within the NHS of safety against reprisals, there would be a tsunami of whistleblowers which I have no doubt would help end this complete and brutal insanity.

I am finding it increasingly hard to live with what I have been involved in and I am sorry this has happened.

To end, I would simply say this. Politicians haven’t changed, the country has just made a fatal mistake and started trusting them without question.

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Thomas Mitchell
Thomas Mitchell
Jul 20, 2020 6:59 AM

Governments have lot to explain. Mainstream medical and pharma play down vitamins. If they had not then out vitamin D levels would be up and covid would have done nothing. Covid could be over in weeks with vitamin D3. please see
 
http://www.orthomolecular.org/resources/omns/v16n34.shtml
http://www.orthomolecular.org/resources/omns/index.shtml
 
Vit C and D would revolutionise health. The NHS is being destroyed by corporate medical who wants to yo have their expensive junk not good health.

Marv
Marv
Jul 17, 2020 2:49 PM

I think this may be true for two reasons – 1 – the other week 30 000 cases were removed from the official figures due to errors in the mobile testing. These errors included counting multiple swabs from one individual as several individuals – just like this person said is being done !! And 2 – Public Health England have admitted, as a result of an academic investigation into the figures, that they have been recording any death as a Corvid 19 death regardless of cause, as long as the person tested positive at some point in their past !

Oscar
Oscar
Jul 22, 2020 10:33 PM
Reply to  Marv

I know an ITU nurse, she says that when someone is tested using the nasal swab method, 3 samples are taken – each one counts as an individual test so by that reckoning the figures relating to tests are over by 2/3

JudyJ
JudyJ
Jul 16, 2020 10:45 PM

A letter signed by scientific experts sent to Boris Johnson on 22 June demanding that it be confirmed by 22 July where and how the existence of Covid19 as a virus has been proven.
 
https://twitter.com/rob_miller12345/status/1283811330068226057

Frank Speaker
Frank Speaker
Jul 17, 2020 5:52 AM
Reply to  JudyJ

The virus has been DNA sequenced in China, Russia and the West. What is up with some people?

Rachel
Rachel
Jul 17, 2020 11:17 AM
Reply to  Frank Speaker

that is not evidence of anything. its like claiming a photo of a guy with a backpack is evidence of a bomber. https://youtu.be/Cdq80ijbj-I

Einstein
Einstein
Jul 17, 2020 7:50 PM
Reply to  Rachel

What would be evidence then?
How do you sequence the DNA of a virus that doesn’t exist?
Better would have been to ask whether this virus satisfies Koch’s postulates as a causative agent. That is the gold standard.

nick
nick
Jul 16, 2020 7:34 PM

“Politicians haven’t changed, the country has just made a fatal mistake and started trusting them without question.” Not correct; like many of us, politicians are victims of a partisan mass media which seeks a progressive, leftist hegemony of ideas. By believing the biased MSM, politicans with similar scientific illiteracy were panicked into irrational measures such as lockdown and denying doctors and their patients the right to life-saving medications widely used with geat success around the world. Now they are complicit in ignoring and hiding this huge failure. Try Covid19Crusher or James Todaro on twitter for data not subservient to profit, ideology or cover-up.

tiredofthelies
tiredofthelies
Jul 16, 2020 7:21 PM

Do they imagine that world-wide victims of this manufactured farce are going to put up with covid craziness, endless suffering, engineered unemployment, and international suppression of medical and scientific reportage by the lugenpresse and the ‘system’, forever? Dream on.

Doly
Doly
Jul 16, 2020 7:20 PM

Funny, when my friend got what by all the symptoms looked like covid, he didn’t get tested because he wasn’t ill enough. In fact, nobody got tested in the UK unless they needed to go to hospital till they got enough testing kits, which was after the peak. And when he got ill enough that his GP thought he may need to be hospitalized, he chose not to send him to the hospital because he’d heard stories that they were overwhelmed and people over 70, which my friend is, were getting only palliative care. He prescribed him antibiotics and got him a machine that enriched the oxygen content of air and he would breathe that on a mask. I don’t think this GP was typical, I guess most GPs sent people to hospital when they got ill enough, but I imagine the stories he heard came from someone he trusted. If anything, cases in the UK have been seriously undercounted.
 
As for the rest of the story, anybody with any friends in the NHS can confirm that it isn’t even remotely close to believable. Whoever made it up didn’t even try to make it sound true. Just ask any doctor, nurse or even hospital cleaner.

Frank Speaker
Frank Speaker
Jul 17, 2020 5:50 AM
Reply to  Doly

Exactly Dolly.
 
I see that lockdown isolation has caused normally rational people to live in an extended information bubble, an echo chamber, and increasingly one of conspiratorial claptrap.
 
COVID-SARS2 is for real. China even locked down a massive city due to this reality, and they have zero connection with the western deep state trying to destroy them, yet some bizarre people think this is all a conspiracy. They’re better off spending their time on Ike’s loony lizard site.
 
What IS reality is that some governments have totally mismanaged their response to SARS2 and are now overreacting, even in a panic. Authoritarian western leaders are also taking full advantage of this virus to monitor and control their citizens.
 
There’s also the role of media who at a time of falling revenues end up sensationalising matters to try and sell more, or get more clicks for advertising revenues. It’s also the first pandemic in the age of widespread social media and where everyone has the world in the palm of their hands.
 
All together a worrying mess.
 
 

John Ervin
John Ervin
Jul 17, 2020 8:33 AM
Reply to  Frank Speaker

Explain then, if you can, why JP Morgan, hardly a hipster outlet for tinfoil hats, at least by the “conventional wisdom”, released a report the other day that said lockdowns had been ineffective.

Then there are countries like Japan and Sweden that had no lockdown and had fewer casualties.

India, a couple tens of thousands deaths in a population of 1.3 billion?

But keep on pushin’. The truth will out.

Frank Speaker
Frank Speaker
Jul 17, 2020 9:06 AM
Reply to  John Ervin

You must be replying to someone else, or you’re putting words in my mouth.

JP Morgan

They are not medical experts, in case you hadn’t noticed. They are irrelevant to my point.

Japan and Sweden that had no lockdown

Yes, and I never stated that lockdown was the answer to the problem, in fact I don’t believe it is the answer, or more specifically creates much bigger problems.
You might try reading my comment again, there again, don’t bother, I won’t be expending any more effort on people who can’t be bothered to read.

John Ervin
John Ervin
Jul 17, 2020 8:43 AM
Reply to  Frank Speaker

Japan: massive cities, dense too, no Chinese lockdowns.

Japan: 125 million inhabitants.

As of tonight: 985 deaths.

NINE HUNDRED EIGHTY FIVE.

Almost two GB’s would fit in Japan.

You think the whistleblower’s story here is incredible?

Why not take just a quick look in the mirror.

Suddenly you weigh in with the above, just as this thread is cooling after days.

Wow such a patriot.

Roger Statton
Roger Statton
Jul 17, 2020 2:13 PM
Reply to  Frank Speaker

U have no idea of reality. Not long your bank will take your money and later your house then maybe u will wake up

Luka
Luka
Jul 18, 2020 6:43 PM
Reply to  Doly

UCLH in central London was around 70% down on its normal workload around April, at the height of the “pandemic.”
I know that in another hospital, there were wards full with CV19 patients, but other areas of the hospital were empty.
 
The Nightingale hospital set up in London treated less than 100 patients.
 
We never saw photographs or video footage of hospitals full of sick and dying patients, but we did see plenty of TikTok videos of nursing staff performing choreographed dances. If you’re rushed off your feet, you don’t time for that. We were told it was about “raising morale.” Sorry, I don’t buy that. They’d go and get drunk, have a party somewhere away from public eyes, but all those dances, in full PPE, pull the other one. Those were staff without enough to do….Or they’d abandoned the patients to die on their own….

JudyJ
JudyJ
Jul 16, 2020 7:05 PM

A paramedic’s testimony posted on Simon Dolan’s Twitter, re-tweeted by Peter Hitchens.
 
https://twitter.com/ClarkeMicah/status/1283784912542339078

Roberto
Roberto
Jul 16, 2020 4:05 PM

It’s not just the NHA, it’s everywhere, as numerous such reports testify to, and the greatest number are not anonymous – these people are willing to take the risk. The fate of those exposing such malfeasance is to be vilified, ridiculed, or to be the target of ad hominem attacks.
This whole mess, everywhere, is the result of a political and bureaucratic response mechanism known as the ‘Precautionary Principle”. The technical term is: ‘Cover Your Arse’.
The initial premise, as usual, was to ‘save the children’, who happen to be at zero risk and pose virtually zero risk of transmission. This is universally acknowledged, but ignored. Closing schools and healthy interactive activity for children was one of the earliest completely unnecessary measures taken. To get kids back into the system, a concentration camp environment is everywhere proposed. For those with sufficient time and resources, home education looks pretty good now.
After destroying much of the world economy and the lives, and health of those deferred for treatment of ongoing sickness because it was necessary to empty the hospitals for the ‘pandemic’, the main task of these politicians and bureaucrats will be to devise an exit strategy under which they can claim that the actions they took saved countless lives, and it’s time to get back to normal.
The MSM’s eager and shameful participation in this fiasco is as usual, egregious; their traditional duty has been to alarm and terrify people for the purpose of ‘selling papers’ concomitant with the duty of government to scare people to ‘save’ them in order to prove their worth. In these times, there is also the additional ongoing threat to the viability of the media business itself; survival requires extreme action to gain the most attention.

Also, to those who may point out that there are laws to protect whistleblowers it should be noted that the usual fate of whistleblowers is to be destroyed whilst the perpetrators of the wrongdoing are typically rewarded and elevated to their highest level of incompetence.
2020: just (another) year the world went mad with cult-like behaviour, a symptom of the non-thinker.

Jill
Jill
Jul 16, 2020 1:13 PM

 
Deliberate spread of the virus to New Zealand nursing home.
 
While looking for evidence that the Euro-American strain is not that dangerous, I came across the case of the Rosewood Rest Home, located in Christchurch, New Zealand, from which 12 people died.
 
It appears that most of those who died carried the six mutations C241T, C3037T, C4683T, C14408T, A23403G, and G24077T. That is, the Euro-American mutations plus C4683T, and G24077T.
 
As a group C241T, C3037T, C4683T, C14408T, A23403G, and G24077T are only found in 9 sequences from (Christchurch) New Zealand.
 
By itself, the mutation, C4683T, has the following geographical distribution: New Zealand 9 sequences, United States 5, China 2, Singapore 1, and Australia 1.
 
By itself, G24077T, has the following distribution: Portugal 65, United Kingdom 14, New Zealand 13, Netherlands 7, Iceland 3, United States 1, Switzerland 1, Italy 1, Georgia 1, Estonia 1, and Austria 1.
 
There are no possible ancestor sequences containing C4683T. Well, none if you discount such unlikely possibilities as the two Chinese viruses, just mentioned above, which would have to lose two specific mutations, and gain five extra, all at once. About the same probability as being able to hold your breath free-diving to the bottom of the Mariana Trench….
 
Overall, it looks like a nasty strain of the disease was deliberately released in the nursing home to affect New Zealand Covid-19 policy. What is particularly suspect about all this, is that the New Zealand Health authorities felt that there was nothing to report here. There were no questions as to where the virus came from. There were no questions as to whether these unusual mutations could have made the virus more lethal. There was no mention of the fact that this deadly viral form was unique to New Zealand, etc, etc. It’s as if they went to the trouble of sequencing the virus, then threw away the results without looking at them. From:
 
http://www.preearth.net/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=1184

Roberto
Roberto
Jul 16, 2020 3:17 PM
Reply to  Jill

Well, this would bump up the death count in NZ from 10 to 22 in a 5 million population.
Risk if 10 deaths: 0.0000020, or 1/5000th of one percent of the population.
Risk if 22 deaths: 0.0000044, or 1/2300th of one percent . More than double!!!
Hardly seems worth it as a policy changer. Anyway, the whole country was locked down with just 7 deaths of a 5,000,000 population. That’s 0.0000014, or 0.00014%, or about 1/7000th of one percent.

Compare Australia: 122 deaths of 25,000,000 population, 0.0000049, or 0.00049% risk. That’s 1.1% higher than NZ; we’re talking serious numbers here. /sarc

PJB
PJB
Jul 16, 2020 10:51 AM

What is the ‘end game’ to this ‘plannedemic’?

As the late Aaron Russo reported in 2006, he had asked that question of Nick Rockefeller (one of the young scions of the Rockefeller dynasty) after Rockefeller had confided in Russo about 9/11 before it happened. Rockefeller eventually said the ultimate end game was: TO GET EVERYBODY CHIPPED FOR TOTAL CONTROL OF HUMANITY.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=f1I6vZ3OCk0

So here we are in 2020. Research:
Event 201 in October 2019,
ID2020, patent WO2020060606,
‘Gain of function’ research on bat coronaviruses + Fauci + Wuhan Institute of Virology + Fort Dettrick + University North Carolina + Winnipeg biolabs,
#ExposeBillGates,
DARPA nanotechnology vaccines + neural , Kenyan tetanus vaccine laced with anti-hCG sterilisation scandal.
See articles at:
http://www.globalresearch.ca
http://www.corbettreport.com
http://www.thelastamericanvagabond.com

We appear to be living in a Sci Fi dystopian present horror movie except I can’t see the green exit signs nor feel the plush cinema seat, nor any sign of the credits about to roll and music to signify being saved in the nick of time…

John Ervin
John Ervin
Jul 16, 2020 2:56 PM
Reply to  PJB

PJB: “We appear to be living in a Sci Fi dystopian present horror movie except I can’t see the green exit signs nor feel the plush cinema seat, nor any sign of the credits about to roll and music to signify being saved in the nick of time…”

Ha ha very funny: but the credits are rolling, it simply takes the 3-D glasses of awakened critical thinking to read them — the present, and coming, increase in adrenaline may take care of that for many, hopefully, and “the nick of time” is often enough another word for “death”. A good book I have says that “some shall be saved as from a fire”.

Whatsoever that means, I know that it’s universal that whoever is saved, is saved in the nick of time they call “life”.

If that’s any comfort. I know it should be.

“Worry is a waste” for us, especially now with all this upon us, but that doesn’t mean we don’t have our work cut out for us!

Watt
Watt
Jul 16, 2020 6:16 PM
Reply to  PJB

My feelings exactly about this dystopian horror show. Unwilling participator, rather than onlooker.

PJB
PJB
Jul 19, 2020 4:12 AM
Reply to  Watt

For many years I’ve been an onlooker, from safety of middle class Australia – a sad and angry onlooker for all the cruel injustice from the JFK assassination via 9/11, fake war on terror, Epstein, Savile, Dutroux and other elite paedophile blackmail psyops, MH-17, Banking oligarchy bailouts and gold suppression, Western support for al-Qaeda, Ukrainian Nazi battalions et al. Even if I could persuade friends of some or any of these, the answer verbally or in body language was ‘nothing we can do about it, doesn’t affect me’.

Well the full Covid19 conspiracy with ID biometric digital passports under the skin – means nobody can remain as an onlooker. This is a test of courage and open minded reasoning for all humanity.

Dave Lawton
Dave Lawton
Jul 16, 2020 12:53 AM

The management system has been infiltrated by a Marxist Common Purpose group and have created their own Super Management system this has happened over many years.They have been blocking investigations into many unavoidable deaths within NHS hospitals.It is out of control and needs purging.

Einstein
Einstein
Jul 16, 2020 11:27 AM
Reply to  Dave Lawton

Couldn’t agree more.
The hospitals should be returned to the nurses and the clinics to the doctors.

Eyes Open
Eyes Open
Jul 16, 2020 11:54 AM
Reply to  Dave Lawton

There’s nothing ‘Marxist’ about Big Pharma and Bill Gates contriving to secure billions of profits (indefinitely) for the ruling class and for Pharma shareholders, nor plans for Mastercard and Covi-Pass to enslave African nations.

Covid is the perfect storm excuse for a massive upflow of wealth (which is happening) and government control of citizens. The World Economic Forum has labelled Covid-19 ‘a window of opportunity’.

Covid-1984 is neoliberalism manifest.

Jo Dominich
Jo Dominich
Jul 16, 2020 12:27 PM
Reply to  Dave Lawton

Marxist common purpose group? I don’t think so. Yes, they have created their own Super Management system but nothing Marxist about it. I do agree with you though, the NHS is out of control and has been for years. If the public knew how many avoidable deaths there were, especially in the 70yrs+ group they would be shocked. The thing is, investigation or no investigation, the NHS never learns or wants to learn from their mistakes. I strongly suspect that, although the Staffordshire Report was absolutely damning, nothing has actually changed in the hospital. They don’t have the will or the know how. The only thing that will change anything in the NHS is if the current tiers and tiers of highly paid management and administrators are severely curtailed (60% could easily be so) and competent,, patient focussed people appointed who will not squander public money on empire building but on patients, modern treatment and more hospital beds and front line staff. The NHS are very adept at grabbing the news. It’s about time this stopped. It does need a massive purge. £140bn of public money is currently being scandalously wasted.

Dave Lawton
Dave Lawton
Jul 16, 2020 12:57 PM
Reply to  Jo Dominich

You are wrong.Julia Middleton who was the founder of Common Purpose was the ex-editor of Marxism today.She came out the Exegesis cult.They used EST which was perfected by the Esalen institute and the SRI and used programming to brainwash the candidates who enrolled on the weekend courses.I knew this as we obtained their programming manual and it works.I know a little bit about cults and the ones that I came across in the late 60s 70s and 80`s and I also know about the NHS as I worked within the NHS in medical research so I know the game quite well.

nick
nick
Jul 16, 2020 7:37 PM
Reply to  Jo Dominich

you need to define what counts as Marxist or not to persuade

Eyes Open
Eyes Open
Jul 15, 2020 11:21 PM

I was recently in hospital and under the care of a practitioner nurse who emanated immense knowledge, compassion and professionalism. I was grateful to have someone like them diagnose me.

To make the discussion more private within the ward they pulled the curtain around the bed, and once fully closed, removed their mask and exclaimed with a deep breath ‘I can’t breathe properly with these things!’

Their face was flushed and sweating, and I instantly felt instantly sorry for them because they’d already worked 8 hours of their shift. I simply don’t know how all the medical staff I saw that day were able to work for so long with impaired breathing.

pokwok
pokwok
Jul 16, 2020 11:41 AM
Reply to  Eyes Open

Oh it’s terrible. One of the conditions that was placed on my employer so that we could reopen back in late april was that he would enforce mask wearing for all the employees.

We honestly tried to do it at the start, but we do manual labor with big hot machinery – no AC. After a couple of hours breathing heavily through the mask, you start to feel it. Light headed, headaches, dizziness, cough, shallow breathing, you even start to get a little loopy and confused. Some people handle it better than others, but it honestly felt dangerous for me. Now most of us have switched to face shields- not because we think it actually does anything (obviously doesn’t) but to appear like we’re following the rules but without putting ourselves in so much danger. There’s a couple true believers still that hide in the corner during break and keep that pitri dish pressed against their face for 10-12hrs, but most of my colleagues quickly gave up on this absurd nonsense.

Willem
Willem
Jul 15, 2020 9:24 PM

Comment placed in the wrong thread. Sorry

Einstein
Einstein
Jul 15, 2020 7:45 PM

There is absolutely no reason for the anonymous Surrey consultant not to communicate his feelings and findings with the Extra-Parliamentary Committee of Enquiry, now set up in Germany but including doctors and citizens from all European countries:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S1qTi6GKIhU

John Ervin
John Ervin
Jul 15, 2020 10:35 PM
Reply to  Einstein

Sounds precarious, how are they protected, or is it really more an “Intel Vacuum”?

Einstein
Einstein
Jul 15, 2020 11:54 PM
Reply to  John Ervin

Why is it precarious?
Have we come to the stage where German doctors can freely state their clinical opinions but British doctors cannot?

John Ervin
John Ervin
Jul 16, 2020 12:41 AM
Reply to  Einstein

Well, good question? (2nd) My gut reflex is in “Intel Vacuum”.

I heard one researcher say that many JFK (and MLK/RFK) murder scholars were set up as store fronts to draw in suckers who had prime info, eye-witnesses or “persons of interest”, so they could dispose of them, sweep them up, or out.

You know, “Vacuum”? I know Mark Lane had one up for years in alt rags: “Tell us what you know about JFK and the assassination.” Yeah, sure Mark. It’s a nota bene that Gerald Posner chose Lane for counsel “because he’s the best lawyer around.” Quite the endorsement. (NOT! lol. They must think were ALL pretty imbecilic. Or else, more vacuuming!)

And it happened pretty often, too.

This fiasco reminds me of that, so you can see clearly real time security concerns.

At some point, as in war times, and this IS (not so) soft war, sometimes you must just make the bold dash, and let the chips fall where they may, and simply trust God to pick them up and do with what s/He wishes. What else? But that surely doesn’t preclude discernment! (And it explains why we see Zurbaran’s oil paintings of St. Francis praying with a 💀 skull either cradled or present: without an awareness of death as always imminent, we get lulled into forgetting our bags must be always packed and ready to go. Primarily “chez Conscience”. At least a very good relationship with It.)

But what do I know, I’ve been skirting vacuums all my life. EVEN ONLINE LOL.

——–£4£&$4$

“Remember, men may fire bullets, but God decides where they
land.”

~~~General Gorostieta to his troops, “For Greater Glory”

“My bags are packed and I’m ready to go.”

~Pope St. John XXIII (upon being given notice of inoperable cancer and a very truncated life expectancy)

Einstein
Einstein
Jul 16, 2020 11:24 AM
Reply to  John Ervin

Fascinating take, Mr Ervin, and it rings true to me given how ruthless the Americans are about this. They operate with the dictum “All’s fair in love and War” but extend it also to rational debate.
But Germany, having just come through Hitler and Stalin, seems to be very sensitive to this and they’ve certainly had their eyes opened over the Nordstream pipeline saga. The German ACU seems a pretty safe forum and I do not see why there isn’t a British equivalent or why “Dr Surrey” couldn’t join forces with his French, German, Italian and Spanish counterparts, all of which are seriously questioning this “Flu Manchu” hysteria.
I liked your literary allusions very much.
I was minded of Southey’s “After Blenheim” and Frederick the Great’s exhortation to his troops at Kolin: “Rascals, do you want to live forever?”
But we’re fighting against the masses and, as Dostoyevsky noted in “The Grand Inquisitor”, Karamazov counters his younger brother with the uncomfortable truth of the nature of humanity en masse. The problem is entertainingly summed up in Griboyedov’s “Woe from Wit” – the trials of an intelligent man living amongst the mass of his bovine fellows.
And he who controls “the narrative” controls the masses, as Goebbels demonstrated.

nick
nick
Jul 16, 2020 7:45 PM
Reply to  Einstein

This is confusing. Are we ‘fighting the masses’ or the anonymous narrators controlling the masses? I’d say fight anyone supporting government control of the masses (AKA autocracy, tyranny, injustice etc) because we desperately need government controlled by the masses instead (AKA functioning democracy, human rights, individual freedom of speech etc).

Einstein
Einstein
Jul 16, 2020 11:03 PM
Reply to  nick

Agreed. Sorry for the confusion.

John Ervin
John Ervin
Jul 16, 2020 12:55 AM
Reply to  Einstein

From “For Greater Glory” (film of the CRISTERO WARS in 1920s Mexico, btw also recounted in Graham Greene’s novel, “The Power and the Glory” –“the fiercest persecution of religion since Elizabeth”):

General Enrique Gorostieta: Men will shoot bullets but God decides were they land.

~~~~~~

St. José Sanchez del Rio: Faith has strange ways of finding us. The spirit expanded to the Generals with deep love. Inspiring.

Jo Dominich
Jo Dominich
Jul 16, 2020 12:39 PM
Reply to  Einstein

Einstein, yes we have come to that stage. In fact, one of the things that never gets acknowledged is just how much censorship there actually is in this country. The propaganda machine is something Hitler would have been proud of. We have a scenario now where there is so much fake news and lies surrounding not just CV-19 but other major issues such as the economy that it is impossible to separate truth from fake unless, of course, you come onto alternative sites like these. I haven’t yet, in the MSM, seen one proper fact about CV-19. The Doctor who wrote the article is telling the truth, we all know it. We have the MSM, BBC, ITV and other broadcasters pumping out propaganda and lies just to make sure the ‘message’ floods the nation, even though that message is false. No proper facts have been given, just hysteria, falsified statistics, scientists acting as though they are the new Gestapo putting out unverified information about a 2nd wave (which they are desperate for) or just to make their name and to enjoy their control over the country.
 
Nowhere in the MSM has the article by this Doctor even been mentioned. It is a sad fact that, in the UK at least, we have no invetigative journalists, just pen pushers for the Government. Peter Hitchens is a rarity in this crisis. He is the only MSM journalist talking sense and taking the challenge to the Government. The Telegraph has intrigued me. It seems to be seriously questioning the ‘message’ and challenging the Government but, not far enough as far as I am concerned.
 
If our Doctors went and gave evidence in Germany, they would be suspended for bringing the NHS into disrepute.

Einstein
Einstein
Jul 16, 2020 1:09 PM
Reply to  Jo Dominich

Yes, we’ve now got the Skripal pantomime on steroids.
I do think that doctor would be quite safe confidentially communicating his observations to his German counterparts at a foreign scientific meeting in his own time. Even the NHS management-Stasi cannot, yet, “police” that.

Jo Dominich
Jo Dominich
Jul 19, 2020 11:25 AM
Reply to  Einstein

Hi Einstein, I’m not sure really. There is so much censorship overt and covert, so much demonisation of people that tell the truth or speak against the establishment narrative makes it very difficult for anyone to tell the truth or challenge the narrative safely at the moment. But you’re right, Skripal pantomime on steroids sums it up nicely!

nick
nick
Jul 16, 2020 7:51 PM
Reply to  Jo Dominich

Don’t forget to mention that saying things like ‘white lives matter’, ‘I reject Islam’, ‘multiculturalism is a serious threat’ or ‘Britain First’ are neither advisable nor acceptable in the public domain today, if you want to preserve your reputation, job and social media accounts, or avoid police interest. “If you want to know who controls you, look at who you are not allowed to criticize”, Voltaire famously opined.

Jo Dominich
Jo Dominich
Jul 19, 2020 11:50 AM
Reply to  nick

Nick, yes I agree with you. There are more to add to that list as well people who are challenging the established narratives are also up there. I think criticism of this Government is up there too.

Watt
Watt
Jul 15, 2020 11:29 PM
Reply to  Einstein

Well, I thought it was perfectly clear why they wish to remain anonymous. Must be my fading reading and comprehension skills. Ah well…

bob
bob
Jul 15, 2020 12:57 PM

well, well, well – this has been posted on facebook by a surgery in ledbury
 
want to know what’s been happening whilst you’ve not been allowed to go to see a GP?
 
want to know about how you can now access a local surgery?
 
want to know whether you will ever get to see a GP again?
 
can’t wait for an “invite” to this surgery ……
 
read this:
 
As you may be aware, the two Ledbury Practices are merging in just a couple of weeks’ time, but have already been sharing premises for a few months now, so the following guidance is for patients of both practices.
 
As part of our restoration measures, St Katherine’s Surgery premises will open the main doors again with effect from Monday 20th July 2020 for patients who have been invited to attend a face to face appointment with a clinician. The waiting room has been adjusted to ensure that social distancing measures are in place. Following guidance from NHS England, all patients entering the premises are to wear a suitable face covering whilst in the practice.
 
Do NOT come into the surgery unless you have a confirmed appointment; please continue to leave prescriptions and specimens in the lobby and telephone the surgery for advice and guidance in the first instance.
 
NHS England guidance is clear that all patients must continue to be assessed by telephone or video link and only be invited to the surgery for an appointment if clinically necessary. Our Reception Team have been trained appropriately to care navigate you to the most suitable clinician or external service depending on your condition, and this may be someone other than a GP (for example a Health Care Assistant, Pharmacist etc).
 
Finally, we have noticed a significant increase with patients being discourteous to our reception staff, particularly if they cannot facilitate an “on the day” appointment with a GP. Rudeness, verbal aggression and name calling will not be tolerated and any patients displaying this behavior are at risk of being removed from the practice list.
Thank you all for your understanding and co-operation in these difficult times.

David
David
Jul 15, 2020 12:28 PM

Statutory Instrument 2020 No.592
The Health Protection (Coronavirus, Wearing of Face Coverings on Public Transport)(England) Regulations 2020.
I suspect this same “instrument” will be extended to apply in shops.
 
Part 2 : Reasonable excuse

  1. For the purposes of Regulation 3(1), the circumstances in which a person (“P”) has a reasonable excuse include those where –

…….(c) P removes face covering to avoid harm or injury, or the risk of harm or injury, to
themselves or others
 
I have high blood pressure (as do many many people) and the possible resulting hypoxia from wearing a mask could cause me harm
 
Amen

John Ervin
John Ervin
Jul 15, 2020 10:39 PM
Reply to  David

Can some scholar among us compile a list of such exemptions and legal protections in the US, or even every country? Seems like Swiss Policy Research excels at such things. Coordinating responses would serve cause for all….

All.

Amethyst
Amethyst
Jul 15, 2020 12:24 PM

Well, I can confirm that most of this is exactly what is happening in at least one major public hospital, with a major trauma A&E, in Australia.
With the exception, to date, of bullying to stay on message.
 
I work in Radiology – very much front line.
There is no mask-wearing or social distancing – even in front of patients.
And yes, we joke about it.
 
The state government has a ‘compulsory’ screening process for staff (via State of Emergency/Health Emergency powers) with managers supposedly responsible for compliance.
They pay lip service to this – no checks are actually made.
Hospital-wide – entire groups of staff were oblivious to the screening requirement.
 
Apart from the occasional surge in A&E presentations (due no doubt to people being unable to ‘hang on’ any longer) it has been quiet.
Eerily quiet at times.
Especially in the area designated for ? COVID-19 patients.
There has been virtually no Ramping – which means the ambulance service and paramedics can now do their jobs properly.
 
Radiology has been equally quiet – possibly even more so, with no elective surgery.
 
There is a lot of sitting around.
 
Waiting.
 
 
It’s hard to take it seriously.. when this whole thing is, evidently, just not serious.

Rachel
Rachel
Jul 15, 2020 9:16 AM

the terrain theory can be applied to the situation. rather than blaming germs like the govt, the who etc. we can look to the terrain. this is why i think the whole keto craze has played a substantial role in causing the covid phenomena. people are lethargic half asleep on protein. the smart phones probably also cause interference and flu like symptoms but especially so in combination with protein. it is what people do to phase out these microwave signals and get in fruits into their diets that can turn things around. https://youtu.be/QHeOeHVLimY

Robbobbobin
Robbobbobin
Jul 15, 2020 1:22 PM
Reply to  Rachel

“the terrain theory can be applied to the situation. rather than blaming germs like the govt, the who etc.”

Steve Jobs killed himself with this sort of nonsense. All kinds of monomaniac diets are indications of mind/body (writ large, man/nature) imbalance–what BigB (where he?) used to call the “Cartesian Fuckup” (or words to that effect).

There is something bizarre about letting mental constructs of deity, ethics or whatever determine any, let alone an extreme, “diet”. When it comes to extreme diets established by social exigency (e.g. poverty-enforced consumption of junk food, often in massive amounts arising from the food industry’s policy of habituation by invisible starvation) or personal relief from the inordinate pressures of “modern life” however they might arise (e.g. overachievement expectations, “cheap” energy self-indulgence and travel fuelled pandemics, etc) there is a case for the deployment of formal logic as a method of weaning and correction, but otherwise the proper determinants of diet, traditional adaptations to local agriconditions (too many of those green apples will give you tummyache and puffer fish are killers) aside, are the simple (sic) olfactory and gustatory receptors sited in a properly functioning metabolism that most of us are born with. Which might sound like Béchump’s terrain but it isn’t. The whole ridiculous terrain/microbe dichotomy should have been strangled at birth. Even amoeba are far more complex organisms than single-minded pre-robotic automata theory can encompass.

Keto is natural
Keto is natural
Jul 16, 2020 2:39 PM
Reply to  Rachel

Keto diet is not high in protein and I’m on it. Lost 7st and now type 2 free. Normal liver enzymes etc etc etc. Keto diet when done properly is healthy – eg not atkins diet. Innuit will live on fat for months yet type 2 is unheard of and so is heart disease. See Dr Berg on youtube, putting out real info and showing the NHS spread anti-science nonsense in relation to diets – eg eat 6 times a day to lose weight!!!! HAHAHAHAHA eat more often = insulin in blood = no fat burning = being fat.

nick
nick
Jul 16, 2020 7:53 PM
Reply to  Rachel

does ‘terrain theory’ have anything to do with cloud cuckoo land?

Zen Priest
Zen Priest
Jul 15, 2020 8:07 AM

Emergency vehicles going nowhere with sirens on is likely true. Soon as lockdown began I noticed a huge increase of sirens – this doesnt make sense as nothing is happening.
It was for the illusion of a deadly virus, which has taken no one we knew ourselves but friends of friends of friends..
In my company office out of 3k people one allegedly died from it. One. A heavily overweight 50 something.
Imagine if you will a virus so deadly you have to be tested to know you had it..
Testing is DNA collection 100%. Test or vaccine is direct participation in the eugenics / population cull programme.
Avoid it at all costs.
I think making these mandatory will tip many over the edge for a fight back, all bets will be off. This is true for me.

Moneycircus
Moneycircus
Jul 15, 2020 8:22 AM
Reply to  Zen Priest

Imagine if you will a virus so deadly you have to be tested to know you had it…” 😉

ame
ame
Jul 15, 2020 10:17 AM
Reply to  Moneycircus

and only sanitizer and masks and latex gloves from the £1 shops could get rid of
it

Rachel
Rachel
Jul 15, 2020 10:33 AM
Reply to  ame

and testing and injections. all completely useless approaches to tackle a completely false cause. its like that across the board eg. protesting the govt. protesting acheives nothing and the govt is a false cause. say for example cellphone towers the actual cause is the people signing up for a cellphone. the media are the germ not reporting the truth. moaning about it is the vaccine and the actual problem/ solution is people buying/ not buying such media

Despair Squid
Despair Squid
Jul 15, 2020 1:02 PM
Reply to  ame

Hand sanitiser and cloth masks for the deadly C-19.
 
Baby wipes and dry cleaning for deadly nerve agents.
 
#textbook

Jo Dominich
Jo Dominich
Jul 16, 2020 12:51 PM
Reply to  Despair Squid

Bloody amazing isn’t it? The Sheeples don’t seem to be asking these questions.

John Ervin
John Ervin
Jul 15, 2020 2:09 PM
Reply to  ame

Cost effective cure

Einstein
Einstein
Jul 16, 2020 11:37 AM
Reply to  ame

Better may be Baby Wipes.
After all, they clear Novichok . . .

BARRY
BARRY
Jul 15, 2020 9:11 AM
Reply to  Zen Priest

You are right. I wish more people had your insight.

ZenPriest
ZenPriest
Jul 15, 2020 2:21 PM
Reply to  BARRY

Thanks Barry. It is powerful yet dangerous to have insight. Everything we are seeing points to a cull and power grab, not dissimilar to the Bolshevik genocide of Russians – and perpetrated by the same people.
Hardly anyone is going to think of that let alone discuss it. But I’d be grateful if people could at least think more critically.

Keto is natural
Keto is natural
Jul 16, 2020 2:44 PM
Reply to  ZenPriest

Do not be ignorant – just fake ignorance as it is better to be mad with the masses than sane alone – Robert Greene 48 Laws of Power. This is how all MPs etc think (they all want to be The Prince).

Watt
Watt
Jul 15, 2020 11:38 PM
Reply to  Zen Priest

Living on a major suburban street junction, I noticed the extra sirens too. At the time I assumed they were shipping multitudes of corona victims to the plague fields or somewhere like that. Hospital, maybe. With hindsight, and the cancellation of hospital admissions I now see that it could well have been just that. Stirring up a feeling of panic.

Keto is natural
Keto is natural
Jul 16, 2020 2:44 PM
Reply to  Watt

they probably are doing it but given for most of lockdown they were the only cars on the streets after dark then it would appear that way would it not.

Watt
Watt
Jul 16, 2020 2:56 PM

You have a point, I agree. Mine is pure speculation for now.

John Ervin
John Ervin
Jul 15, 2020 11:44 PM
Reply to  Zen Priest

We live in a Theatre State. Wouldn’t be so bad if ANY one in their b (at best) productions knew how to “act”.

Witness: our Reality T.V. “President”. Not the first. No Oscar or Globe award nominees either.

bob
bob
Jul 15, 2020 5:10 AM

Anybody still thinking lockdown is easing will be delighted by Hancock’s latest move – the military two-step couldn’t be more obvious.How this foul specimen of a creature has got to such dizzy heights I will never know. Once the masks go on they will not come off. We have been well and truly played and this is the last chance hotel …. by showing great courage and complete contempt for this rabid regime is now the only place left – have you/ we got it in us?
 
Protect the nhs. Protect other people. Everybody is now going to be penned in the OK Coral for ever courtesy of the the crappest regime on the planet. Thank you Boris, thank you Matt for saving us all for the slaughter … except, of course, those who have exemptions … who will be mauled to death by the baying, self righteous ones …..

Dungroanin
Dungroanin
Jul 15, 2020 9:51 AM
Reply to  bob

You are being prepped for HARD BrexShit.

That’s when things will get really bad because of mega queues at the ports for lorries carrying food and equipment- the blame for THAT will be laid on the EU and CV as a airlift of chlorinated chicken and harmonised beef and Hershey bars are sent on dodgy 737 Max’s as our NHS is fully sold – expect being flown to private hospitals in the states and being filled with shitty drugs that don’t work from Rumsfelds Gilead

I may well be joining the queues on the beaches hoping to be saved by a flotilla of small boats that would evacuate as many as piss to the safety of Dunkirk and the care and protection of a coordinated and safe response if the EU / and the safest and tastiest of foods and drink.

Robbobbobin
Robbobbobin
Jul 15, 2020 1:29 PM
Reply to  Dungroanin

“You are being prepped for HARD BrexShit.”

They are preparing themselves for the loony bin.

Tim
Tim
Jul 16, 2020 1:05 PM
Reply to  Dungroanin

No idea why you were so heavily marked down for this. I am a newcommer here – have you made yourself unpolular with previous posts?

Keto is natural
Keto is natural
Jul 16, 2020 2:46 PM
Reply to  Tim

maybe because this has nothing to do with brexit and everything to do with power…..

nick
nick
Jul 16, 2020 8:03 PM
Reply to  Tim

Maybe it was his unsupported bigotry and bile against all things Brexit, which is irrelevant to the debate here, and unfitting for any debate.
 

nick
nick
Jul 16, 2020 8:02 PM
Reply to  Dungroanin

Isn’t ‘much more control by big governent’ a more realistic explanation of what’s been happening? After all, it seems that French people have lost freedoms, died and suffered even more under the very pro-EU Macron than under our evil Brexiteers. Nor do I recall the EU rushing to close its precious open borders to prevent the virus infecting the European workers and citizens forced to pay for an elite bureaucracy so many no longer want nor trust.

Paul too
Paul too
Jul 15, 2020 11:36 AM
Reply to  bob

“How this foul specimen of a creature has got to such dizzy heights I will never know.”
 
He has a very long and obedient tongue.

Oggy
Oggy
Jul 16, 2020 1:39 AM
Reply to  Paul too

Where did you acquire the ability to talk so salaciously,good one!

Jo Dominich
Jo Dominich
Jul 16, 2020 12:56 PM
Reply to  Paul too

How adept is he at bending over when Boris commands it?

Jo Dominich
Jo Dominich
Jul 16, 2020 12:54 PM
Reply to  bob

Bob, I haven’t worn a mask yet and do not intend to do so. My bit of civil disobedience! I hope others join in. I suspect next time I blog her I may well be enjoying time in Her Majesty’s best facilities!

Keto is natural
Keto is natural
Jul 16, 2020 2:45 PM
Reply to  bob

What amazes me is that he is constantly fighting the ‘dupers delight’ when giving his talks. I dont listen, just watch the body language……

nick
nick
Jul 16, 2020 7:56 PM
Reply to  bob

Was the government badly advised? If so…

Lost in a dark wood
Lost in a dark wood
Jul 15, 2020 3:54 AM

From the US (and back in May):

https://www.forbes.com/sites/gracemarieturner/2020/05/22/600-physicians-say-lockdowns-are-a-mass-casualty-incident/#5906480650fa

600 Physicians Say Lockdowns Are A “Mass Casualty Incident”
May 22, 2020
Grace-Marie Turner

More than 600 of the nation’s physicians sent a letter to President Trump this week calling the coronavirus shutdowns a “mass casualty incident” with “exponentially growing negative health consequences” to millions of non COVID patients. “The downstream health effects…are being massively under-estimated and under-reported. This is an order of magnitude error,” according to the letter initiated by Simone Gold, M.D., an emergency medicine specialist in Los Angeles.

UPDATE‪: An Associated Press article by Michael Biesecker and Jason Dearen that includes a description of the 600-physician letter is headlined “GOP fronts ‘pro-Trump’ doctors to prescribe rapid reopening,” which has led to criticism of Gold and her colleagues on social media. However, as the article acknowledges in the text, “Gold denied she was coordinating her efforts with Trump’s reelection campaign.” Gold echoed those comments to us, saying, “This was 100% physician grassroots. There was 0% GOP.”

And reported on The HighWire:

600 Doctors Plead With Trump
The HighWire with Del Bigtree
Jun 1, 2020
As the U.S. lockdown drags on, medical professionals band together to sound the alarm about the future health of our nation. The reality is staggering. Is anyone listening?

nick
nick
Jul 16, 2020 8:07 PM

Good post thanks. Re ‘is anyone listening’; maybe ask first why the MSM aren’t reporting such critical news. If they did, more could listen.

Lost in a dark wood
Lost in a dark wood
Jul 16, 2020 11:03 PM
Reply to  nick

It was reported by Fox, the Daily Mail, Express, etc. But it was probably just a single article which is easily missed and forgotten by the following day.
 
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8342497/More-500-doctors-sign-letter-Trump-pushing-end-shutdown.html
 

Robbobbobin
Robbobbobin
Jul 15, 2020 12:53 AM

“…I have heard staff express amazement that despite warnings on packets and at point of sales, telling people masks are totally ineffective and dangerous, the public still buy them, because a politician has told them too.”

I have checked for any POS notices in nearby retailers who carry masks and checked the packaging of all brands that they carry, as well checking scores of Google’s images of the same. So far I have not seen a single instance of warnings that the masks are “totally ineffective and dangerous”, nor are there any on the packets I bought several years ago for use in possible dusty or smokey environments or, though never used as such, as splutter guards in the ‘flu season. Where does the perhaps understandably anxious but curiously comprehensively affronted, presumably well-educated consultant victim of the perfidiously fifth-columnist NHS shop?

New Zealand is a country on which I keep a personally-motivated watch. Its government’s advice is:

Healthy people in the community are not currently required to wear a face mask for protection from COVID-19 in New Zealand. In our current environment, the potential benefits of requiring masks to be worn by all healthy people in the community are not felt to outweigh the potential risks. […] Healthy members of the public may choose to purchase and wear a face mask, or make their own. If you would like to wear one for your own comfort, please ensure you use it safely, as there are risks associated with incorrect use of all types of face masks.

If there is some international ogre, anxious to dominate the world with a program of, as I understand it, fear and pornography, it is clearly not so threatening as to daunt a pipsqueak nation of five million toxic-pus drinkers and diseased-protein eaters (perhaps therein lies a clue to the producation of an effective treatment?), with two ex-WWII Spitfires and a few rowing boats comprising their border force, into cowed compliance. Is that a chink in the monster’s armour? I am also reliably informed (well, at least as reliably as is the Bernicean) that the same unwarranted calm and regrettable absence of a desirable degree of panic pervades almost the entire nation, so the correspondingly inappropriate but honest tolerance of a range of acceptable deviant behaviors were permitted to the extent that the desirably violent, fear-inducing spats in the formerly locked-down nation’s essential services were regrettably absent. It is amazing how quickly the colonies of this former delusionary empire have become so degenerate. I can attest from personal observation to the fact that there are lots of negative aspects to the way New Zealanders run their affairs, but intensely juvenile libertarian ructiousness in the service of spreading confusing fear and pornography are regrettably absent.

“I have included with my statement the detailed published guidance from Government on Death Certification which shows how Covid-19, as a factor is encouraged to at least feature on a death certificate.”

No link, not even a copy/paste of the relevant section/s? Crown Copyright problems, perhaps?

Finally,

“Although we cannot verify his or her identity, we still think…”

Do I recall that a few weeks ago at least one BTL poster was advised from ATL that anecdotal reports of the “what my sister told me” sort were not relevant/acceptable evidence in this matter? Is the apparent volte-face a function of changing ATL attitudes on relevance/acceptability, the fact that the Bernicean appears not to be a relative of his alleged informant, the possibility that relevance/acceptability criteria are based primarily on congruence with an ATL viewpoint, or something else altogether?

Mark
Mark
Jul 15, 2020 12:10 AM

I’d be careful. This anguished tell-all appears to hit all the high points and confirm all our worst suspicions. But it is also a tried-and-true technique various organizations use, when their crappy deceptions are getting flaky around the edges, to shut down criticism – leak a letter or other document which appears to blow the whole thing wide open, and then ‘expose’ the author as a total fraud, complete with tearful ‘confession’. Badda-bing, badda-boom, conspiracy theory completely discredited, and everyone who continues to deviate from the accepted narrative is instantly a certifiable loon. This seems almost too good to be true – I mean, ambulances driving aimlessly around with their siren and flashers going? Come on – that’s flagrant abuse of the emergency-vehicles privileges, which require everyone driving who hears or sees such signals to get off the road and give way.

Carey
Carey
Jul 15, 2020 12:48 AM
Reply to  Mark

+100
 
As with most everything these days- on the mcInternet or off- assume it’s gotten-to.
 
Interested parties abound..
 
 
C.
 
 
 

John Ervin
John Ervin
Jul 15, 2020 1:14 AM
Reply to  Mark

The “tin foil hats” widget they’ve used for decades, to mock and shame legit speculation and above all steer them away from finding out about the brain-reading tech they are about to roll out on us, already a staple of the Nissan KURO.

Talk about Orwell’s Thought Police, or Stephen King’s Hearts in Atlantis and The Low Men!?

Big Brother never had it this easy!

Carey
Carey
Jul 15, 2020 1:16 AM
Reply to  John Ervin

tryin too hard

John Ervin
John Ervin
Jul 15, 2020 1:30 AM
Reply to  Mark

The editors, if you read their preface at the top, are very clear about their handling of this piece as “allegedly” etc.

They put it out “on spec” for educational interests etc.

Surely that’s valid enough.

They never vouch for it, as such. They note that it re-states a theme being heard often enough elsewhere. Read the intro.

Robbobbobin
Robbobbobin
Jul 15, 2020 1:56 PM
Reply to  John Ervin

Surely that’s valid enough.

Enough would be for the editor most concerned to push it to do so in a personal BTL post, linking to the Bernicean to save spface. Let that prat take the heat. Slapping a big notice on it saying “the Off-Guardian is here doing an On-Guardian so caveat emptor” is not nearly valid enough to elevate it to an ATL spot. Are they trying to see how much self-identified phoniness they can risk with panic-promoting Q-style propaganda reprints before Credibility packs her bags and leaves the building?

John Ervin
John Ervin
Jul 15, 2020 3:56 PM
Reply to  Robbobbobin

Well, you certainly make good points, but given the global ambience of “panic-producing propaganda” by our more contiguous governments –or even the pure smack (and I’ve got enough votes, at least here, to be confident I’m not editorialising)– it’s valid enough then, in this very peculiar and historically unprecedented “global ambience” — to take these “true confessions” as at least a purposeful tissue of accusations and claims to stimulate even more pointed inquiry –or just thoughtfulness– into the charges being levelled.

And not just to stimulate our adrenal glands. I think many of those have shut off, anyway. Typical PTSD survival!

Works for me, ATL or on an electronic billboard, which our OC Sheriff would probably not make me take down, since he’s sort of dug his heels in against Governor Newsom, saying on record he won’t enforce much of this covid craze.

(Another reason I believe Newsom is being set up to take the fall for all this, just as his predecessor Governor Gray Davis was jacked into taking the fall for the Enron Energy Scam of 2000 here, caught mercilessly in the middle, a very recognizable template for the Covid Hoax-apalooza, as I noted elsewhere, at OffG. I have some small mileage on that, but valid enough, since I ran the 88 Dem Prez campaign for an area of a million Angelenos, AND also because said Sheriff –Don Barnes– has deputies in his department –OCSD– who favored me by permanently rupturing my biceps tendon 8 years ago, whilst I was circulating a petition to shut down San Onofre Nuclear Generator. Which the same techs who analyzed the Fukushima leak said “was comparable” in severity as a leak, I’ve been told.)

(Good to know all nukes here have since been shut down, in our Earthquake State!)

“Coincidence or Conspiracy? We report, you decide!” LOL.

Not my favorite Army of Occupation, among the many here, but now we’re allies it appears. Clearly, Covid makes for strange bedfellows, am I right?

I add some personal account like this, of my “mileage”, as I have done elsewhere (such as my Old Man having been attorney, VP, and trustee of the Philosophical Research Society in Hollywood, a curious agency if ever there was one) as some solid “inside” foundation to my reasonings that some alt-reportage, like this above, can be countenanced, even when it doesn’t make it past many an alt-editors desk.

As my adventures have taught me the last 50 years, not many of the most important ones do!

So, there’s that.

Mark
Mark
Jul 16, 2020 4:21 AM
Reply to  John Ervin

I didn’t mean OffGuardian should not have posted it, or that they should have provided a cautionary disclosure statement. That’s for readers to figure out. I’m just suggesting if it feels too good to be true, it probably is. But a lot of it sounds flaky, including the tail-chasing ambulances and – as another commenter pointed out – the alleged warning on masks that they don’t work and could be dangerous. I’ve never seen such a general warning, either, although most packages feature the functions the mask is designed to perform and safeguard against. Obviously I have not read the specs of every mask type in the world, but I think I can safely promise you there are none which say “provides protection against airborne viral particles”.
 
Here, though, is someone not afraid to reveal their name, who claims to have a topnotch education in both respiratory functions and infectious diseases, and who says the only real protective measure which will safeguard you from COVID-19 is a respirator which has been properly fit-tested. Even the vaunted N-95 mask is panned as having only a limited protection against large cough particles if an infected person is wearing it. Wearing your panties over your head or a cloth mask you made out of an old T-shirt, dream on.
 
https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2020/04/commentary-masks-all-covid-19-not-based-sound-data
 

Keto is natural
Keto is natural
Jul 16, 2020 2:54 PM
Reply to  Mark

notice that in it ‘too’ is used when it should have been ‘to’. I am sure the writer, if genuine, would know the difference.

Neo
Neo
Jul 16, 2020 9:23 AM
Reply to  John Ervin

I think if you read the 620 odd comments it kinda validates the article and clears up any doubt as to the truth behind the post

Rachel
Rachel
Jul 15, 2020 8:11 AM
Reply to  Mark

round hear not in uk i seen fire engine driving round with sirens on. pretty obvious they were not going anywhere coz they kept going round in a loop.

Robbobbobin
Robbobbobin
Jul 15, 2020 2:15 PM
Reply to  Rachel

“round hear not in uk i seen fire engine driving round with sirens on”

A relative who made the mistake of marrying a ‘Kiwi’ (a brainless colonizer’s slander on an intelligent native bird) and moving to the South Pacific wrote many years ago to say a fire engine doing just that was driving her crazy. She later said that she’d since found out it’s how Kiwi firemen get attention for their door-to-door collection of Christmas tips. (Sounds like a standover tactic to me: “Merry Christmas. I see your house is still standing. Penny for The Guy?”). Was your reported sighting in New Zealand in December?

Jo Dominich
Jo Dominich
Jul 16, 2020 1:02 PM
Reply to  Mark

Well, I happen to think its true. We currently have the most corrupt Government in our Parliamentary history and the most corrupt NHS ever. Better to drive ambulances around with no-one in them and remain on full pay than stay at home on half pay.

nick
nick
Jul 16, 2020 8:15 PM
Reply to  Jo Dominich

I disagree. They are scientifically-illiterate much more than they are corrupt, and this problem is far more serious because it infects all policy on technical matters like health and environment. As incompetence and failure are not done wittingly, demonizing politicans won’t help. I explain more here: https://medium.com/@nickhunt_41682/how-not-to-become-a-climate-crisis-fear-monger-e6cf65168c21

Jo Dominich
Jo Dominich
Jul 19, 2020 11:58 AM
Reply to  nick

Hi Nick, thanks for your thoughts. I cannot, under any circumstances agree though, this Government are rotten to the core. The MPS that make up the Government seem not to be in politics to serve their constituents or the nation, they are clearly in it to feather their own nests and get rich quick. What they are doing at the moment they know full well is not on the level. We have the most right wing Cabinet in Parliamentary History. They are pursuing a very narrow agenda that is in their interests not in the nation’s. They know exactly what they are doing. It’s not just incompetence and failure it’s much more than that. The decisions they are making are damaging this country economically, socially and driving the nation into further poverty. They have no idea, none at all, how to put the situation right – the Labour Party Manifesto under Corbyn did that. We are well on the way to becoming a poorer nation, the pound is acting more like the Mexican Peso than a G10 currency and that will be compounded by a No Deal Brexit, a Trade Deal with the USA and the idiotic, pathetic, ridiculous war Raab has just started wit China and Russia.

Hypothetical Situationist
Hypothetical Situationist
Jul 27, 2020 12:48 AM
Reply to  Mark

Ja. The empty ambulances thing was a bridge too far. I can accept the NHS ‘putting on a show’ to support the official narrative, while brutally intimidating staff into silence (I used to work for the BMA, it’s basically NHS policy), but this comes across like deliberate disinformation. An outrageous, provocative anecdote which can never be verified one way or the other – and just the sort of thing that people who are already balls deep in a ‘fake virus/no virus’ conspiracy theory would readily jump on and circulate.

In addition to that, I detect an inconsistency in the emotional tone of the statement, which is often a sign that it is being feigned or forced for a purpose. Even in text, you can often tell whether somebody is speaking from the heart or not. Just a gut feeling.

That’s not to say that it’s categorically impossible and has never happened in this context. There have been multiple news stories and crisis events in recent years which appear to have been wholly or partially staged for the media, but in this case it’s as you say; the juicy cherry on top of the delicious conspiracy Sundae, and it sets my alarm bells ringing too. For me, this gets to the heart of what all this is about, and I think emergency vehicle privileges are the least of anybody’s worries.

It behooves us all to remember that the UK government proudly announced the deployment of the Army’s ’77th Brigade’ psychological warfare division upon the general public in response to the Covid crisis; ostensibly to counter ‘foreign propaganda’ and combat the spread of ‘fake news’ on social media etc. Russia, China, bla bla bla. You know, the big scary enemies we’ve been building up for the past half century.

Of course what this really means is thousands and thousands of online actors doing the very thing they claim to be preventing – not just debunking ‘fake’ or alternative narratives, but actively promoting them in order to foster confusion and demoralisation. The main objective is not to stamp out dissent or get every single person believing the official narrative, but to prevent critics and skeptics from forming an accurate consensus with credibility and sticking power, predominantly via information overload.

Needless to say, they will also have journalists embedded in most news media companies writing all sorts of credible and trustworthy propaganda to terrify their audiences. Kind of like a military pincer movement; one guy writes them, the other one attacks them and debunks them, and they go back forth on both sides while the public are left punch drunk in the middle.

Contradictions and confusion are the name of the game with this one. Nothing the government has said or done has been consistent with a logical or linear strategy based on broad scientific consensus. It doesn’t make sense because it’s not supposed to make sense. We saw this right from the get go, with the global killer virus which you probably wouldn’t notice but which would almost certainly kill everyone unless we develop herd immunity which we will not accomplish by locking the country down and leaving the borders open, before shutting the borders and reopening the economy and eventually mandating face masks which are required but not enforced because they are not actually necessary except when they are.

The most broad definition of psychological warfare in a military context, is to push everything in all directions at the same time, so that nobody can agree on anything anymore and society becomes increasingly unstable to the point of collapse. Ring any bells? It’s no coincidence that BLM was promoted to the top of the media priority list in the midst of all this.

Point being, while frustrating and unfortunate; anonymous whistleblower testimony like this is the perfect format for counterintelligence campaigns aimed at disrupting civil dialogue through disinformation. As I said, it’s exactly the kind of thing that a newly minted conspiracy theorist would send to their friends and family in a fit of righteous indignation, only to have them mock it and reject it as soon as they got to the part about the empty ambulance convoys.

Another family divided, another well-meaning person feeling lost and isolated. Hell, it could even be ‘true disinformation’, but most people would never believe it, which makes it as good as false, and just adds to the division and demoralisation. And that’s what this is about, first and foremost. Whatever this Corona virus is or isn’t, that’s what this is really about.

JudyJ
JudyJ
Jul 14, 2020 11:24 PM

“Doctors and nurses” – the thoughts of Vernon Coleman, 12 July 2020. As always, he says it as it is.
 

Moneycircus
Moneycircus
Jul 15, 2020 6:23 AM
Reply to  JudyJ

The NHS should have been stoned, not clapped… What sort of spineless people are working in healthcare these days…. ‘I was just doing what I was told’ – that was the sort of excuse that was popular with lesser war criminals.”
 
Now is the time for the medical and nursing professions to stand up and demand some answers… from the administrators who gave the orders that led to tens of thousands of unnecessary deaths. They should also demand that hospitals are opened immediately.”
 
The latest lunacy from the NHS is that people who want treatment at an accident and emergency department should telephone and make an appointment for a timed slot at the A&E department.”
 
Doctors and nurses betrayed their patients and their professions but they also betrayed themselves. Too many were willing to accept the weekly applause that they must have known they did not deserve.”
— Dr Vernon Coleman

Robbobbobin
Robbobbobin
Jul 15, 2020 2:38 PM
Reply to  Moneycircus

“— Dr Vernon Coleman”

Sanctimonious old prick.

Just because you live in a sick society doesn’t mean everyone’s sick. When New Zealand went into full lockdown I telephoned an A&E department there, as any overprotective relative would, to see if they were operating as usual. Answer: “Yes, of course. Just show up at the triage desk as usual. You will be met in the line and advised of the current ‘containment’ measures. However, if your have flu-like symptoms please try to phone ahead. Other hospital services are functioning for emergencies as well, but for ‘elective’ procedures ‘containment’ principles apply so phone the department concerned first.” We all get the BoJos we have requested.

nick
nick
Jul 16, 2020 8:19 PM
Reply to  Moneycircus

Doesn’t Coleman berate the official refusal to let patients and doctors choose HCQ? I suspect and hope that the accusation contained in this recent research showing how HCQ is hugely effective will become obvious to the nation very soon: “the countries with the highest mortality from COVID-19 are also the countries that have demonized chloroquine the most, i.e. Western Europe and part of the United States.”
 
https://www.ejinme.com/article/S0953-6205(20)30266-1/fulltext

ginghiniagenie
ginghiniagenie
Jul 15, 2020 7:28 AM
Reply to  JudyJ

Righteous.

Aldous Hexley
Aldous Hexley
Jul 14, 2020 9:44 PM

A few miles away from the area reported on with the numbers below, with figures taken from the exact same MSM rag source, as of midnight yesterday Governor Nuisance has once again shut down restaurants, bars, and mingling facilities in California.
 
The numbers game indicates that for the past three days in Sonoma County there have been 236 cases.
 
As usual, the nature of these cases is not defined, except by age, with no indication of seriousness/threat of the infection whatever it is per case.
 
The three days preceding the above total produced 163 cases, same type graph stats.
 
Most recent 3 days vs previous 3 days: hospitalized 27/28; suspected cases 9/109; total hospitalized during pandemic 92/76.
 
Deaths 16/14 (that’s the total since the panic started.)
 
active cases 894/774.
 
Positive results of tests 3%/3%.
 
Negative results of tests 97%/975.
 
With these figures in mind, Governor Nuisance, may I ask how you justify a new destructive shutdown–example, just as small businesses were getting their staff back to work and re-building their customer base? How many businesses destroyed with this latest stunt?
 
Let’s also note this comment from a source already linked below:
 
Los Angeles County, meanwhile, posted a record number of coronavirus cases on Tuesday of this week, but the state admitted that the huge increase came “in part” as a result of a few thousand backlogged cases. 
 
https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/coronavirus/data-suggest-floridas-record-breaking-coronavirus-days-may-have-been-0
 
Why this fear-mongering leap to alarmism all over again, Governor, as you sit with your numbers jugglers on what to do?
 
Credibility, sir, I believe is the question.
 
Besides your political conncections, that is.
 

Aldous Hexley
Aldous Hexley
Jul 14, 2020 10:05 PM
Reply to  Aldous Hexley

The edit function needs to last longer.
 
Corrections above:
 
suspected cases 9/10 (not 9/109 = a typo)
 
negative results: 97%/97% (not 97%/975 another typo)

nick
nick
Jul 16, 2020 8:22 PM
Reply to  Aldous Hexley

I always do longer posts on a text editor then check, copy and paste. Good for sites where trolls can delete you a lot, like Daily Express (whose fora are surprisingly open most times). It really pisses them off

Cyd
Cyd
Jul 14, 2020 10:37 PM
Reply to  Aldous Hexley

“Nuisance” is far too kind. He’s one of the Clinton Gang. Up and comers, like Inslee.

Carey
Carey
Jul 14, 2020 10:49 PM
Reply to  Cyd

Newsom is as evil as they come, and well-groomed for what he’s doing now (do a cursory search).

Grafter
Grafter
Jul 15, 2020 12:28 AM
Reply to  Aldous Hexley

“CASES” are a scam. Time for mass gatherings and civil disobedience .

Aldous Hexley
Aldous Hexley
Jul 15, 2020 1:44 AM
Reply to  Aldous Hexley

As to further name-calling on Nuisance I’ll leave that to you. Something of the man’s mental fitness is suggested below:
 
From mainstream commentary:
 
Slate March 31
 
Newsom and Silicon Valley plus comparison to Cuomo:
 
During these much drier Newsom tele–press conferences, the California governor has played up a brand as a technocrat, focusing on partnerships with Silicon Valley businesses in coming up with ways for the state to prepare for its own looming coronavirus onslaught.
 
On Monday, for instance, he boasted that community surveillance based upon user-shared data from Silicon Valley firms has helped guide the state’s decisions.
 
“Working with Esri, working with BlueDot, working with Facebook, Apple, and others, we have our modeling that is done on a daily basis based upon these patterns as well as patterns around the rest of the country and the rest of the world,” he said. Data assessment is the way out of the crisis, but it is not particularly dramatic.
 
AND
 
Newsom’s jargon-filled speech can sound like incomprehensible technobabble compared with Cuomo’s family yarn-spinning and straightforward number-sharing.
 
“As it relates to the bending of the curve—we’re in the middle of this, and I think it would be too easy for us to assert a belief at this moment about what has or has not worked, except to say this: We know what does work, and that’s physical distancing,”* Newsom said in one typical word salad on Monday, responding to a question about his state’s apparent success in mitigating the outbreak.
 
“And we believe very strongly the stay-at-home order has helped advance our efforts in reducing the stress on the system that we believe would have already materialized in more acute ways had we not advanced those protocols when we did.”
 
(*Based on what scientific studies–how do “we know” distancing works?)
 
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2020/03/cuomo-coronavirus-star-newsom-bending-the-curve.html
 
FURTHER:
 
In [Bill] Clinton’s view, the government needs to be able to track where people go and who they come into contact with at all times in order to “hem up any recurrence of this.” In other words, we need mass surveillance and a total police state to quash the Wuhan coronavirus (COVID-19), according to Clinton.
 
“Should we have a contract (sic) tracer corps, even if we call it something more elegant (sic)?” Clinton asked, skewing and slurring the words from his script in much the same way as Joe Biden.
 
Newsom’s response to Clinton was an affirmative yes, of course. He explained in no uncertain terms that:
 
“The predicate for getting back to some semblance of normalcy is our ability to identify individuals through testing; to be able to trace their contacts; to isolate individuals that have either been exposed or quarantine people that are testing positive.”
 
 
How this can be accomplished moving forward, according to Newsom, is to hire an “army of folks” to go around and do all the dirty work, which will only be possibly if people “allow for their privacy to be impacted by that kind of acuity of attention based upon where they’ve been and who they talked to.”
 
 
In other words, the Clintons and Newsom are calling for the total abolition of the United States Constitution in the name of fighting the Wuhan coronavirus (COVID-19), which just so happens to be the perfect catalyst for plunging not just America but the entire world into the planned new order.
 
AND:
 
Not to be outdone by her husband, Hillary Clinton has also piped up about the Wuhan coronavirus (COVID-19), contending that it “would be a terrible crisis to waste.”
 
The two-time failed presidential candidate made this statement to failing 2020 presidential contender Joe Biden during a separate virtual appearance, during which she also pushed for abortion clinics to remain open during the pandemic, even as churches and other places of worship remain closed.
 
“This is a high stakes time because of the pandemic, but this is also a really high stakes election,” Hillary stated, likening the crisis to some kind of political casino game.
 
 
https://www.naturalnews.com/2020-05-03-bill-hillary-clinton-army-contact-tracers-hunt-down-coronavirus.html
 

nick
nick
Jul 16, 2020 8:26 PM
Reply to  Aldous Hexley

As Lenin famously said and put into practice, power must be achieved ‘by any means necessary’. Communists ever since have quietly endorsed and adopted this elitist antithesis to debate and majority rule. Saul Alinsky, a Lenin devotee, was Hillary Clinton’s mentor and supervisor in the late 60s, when she wrote her thesis on his famous Leninist work ‘Rules for Radicals’, also adopted as the main teaching text by one Barack Obama, during his days as a ‘community organiser’.
 

Aldous Hexley
Aldous Hexley
Jul 15, 2020 2:07 AM
Reply to  Aldous Hexley

Newsom is amidst (another) recall movement, plus has been criticized by several California sheriffs in various counties, who say they will not enforce his regulations.
 
Here’s an article asking for clarification:
 
Governor, where’s the data?
 
https://padailypost.com/2020/07/06/opinion-why-is-newsom-blaming-restaurants/
 
This is a good question to pose for Newsom’s “we know” answers, which he has drawn from his Silicon Valley et al associates.
 
The death rate as indicated below is surely an important part of the data, and what we have stated repeatedly at O-G bears repeating also:
 
Number of cases = how many asymptomatic, how many mild, how many severe, how many in what medical conditions at risk?
 
This is the kind of data that needs examining, versus what we are repeatedly told is a wildly surging case load of positives, with exaggerations (again), plus failure to factor in recent news that the testing is possibly picking up remnant covid family particles from as far back as 2017.
 
Today’s death stats in CA:
 
Today’s numbers: 7,099 deaths in California since the “pandemic” started, and Newsom’s “leadership” in middle March began to shut down the state and become a global model for what to do.
 
With a CA population of 37 million + this leads on to the data indicating the death rate from the disease = 0.019%. If this is incorrect, be sure to indicate how.
 
RELATED:
 
The number of traffic deaths in CA in 2019 = 3,540, surely a significant number at approximately 50% of the current number of deaths reported by the virus.
 
Where is the action on this crisis? Should we not seek to curtail driving behaviors as with new state speed limits at 35 mph?
 
Or lower?
 
Why no panic on these terrible traffic deaths due to increasing speed on the roadways?
 
At the very least, questions like these need raising about the Governor’s “calculus” on how dangerous the threat is, and whether the threat from the “solutions” is not much more dire and destructive.

ame
ame
Jul 14, 2020 9:18 PM

Ridiculous is now fully fukcing gone ridiculous

Bible Experts Determine Goliath Died Of COVID-19
ISRAEL—Working at an archaeological dig in the Valley of Elah, Bible experts have come up with an interesting theory concerning the death of Goliath, hulking giant of the Philistines who fought David in one-on-one combat.
Though he did have severe head trauma and neck problems, his death is now being counted as a COVID-19 death.
“While we didn’t test him per se, he exhibited a lot of the symptoms of COVID-19,” said one Bible scholar as he carefully worked to unearth some ancient face masks from Bible times. “The wooziness, the falling down, the headache — it’s all pretty clearly indicative of the novel coronavirus.” He also stated that the virus ran rampant among the Philistines because they did not social distance, while Israel was relatively safe because King Saul declared a lockdown.
One researcher suggested that Goliath did not die of coronavirus but simply ODed, having been stoned. But then the other researchers realized he was telling a dad joke and told him to shut up and keep digging.
At publishing time, scholars had proposed that everyone who died in the Flood, the Israelite conquest of Canaan, and the flattening of Sodom and Gomorrah also died of COVID-19.
https://babylonbee.com/news/bible-experts-determine-goliath-died-of-covid-19

Kalen
Kalen
Jul 15, 2020 2:03 AM
Reply to  ame

Soon we will learn the tens of thousands victims of Hiroshima and Nagasaki died from COVID complications due to exposure to exploding atomic bombs. It is Ionesco Theater of Absurd.

John Ervin
John Ervin
Jul 15, 2020 5:34 AM
Reply to  Kalen

Sure, well the nuclear blasts were really bad, we’ve always known that, but there were a lot of survivors. If it turns out that this French guy had Covid in late December, before the Wuhan outbreak, who’s to say that it wasn’t already present 8.10.45?

All things being equal, if there were people who survived the blasts, then the covid might have easily been the fatal tipping point for those who didn’t?

I’m comfortable counting them in the tally. And it also shows you just how serious this problem really is. There was already this kind of evidence, all the way back in ’45.

Zen Priest
Zen Priest
Jul 15, 2020 7:45 AM
Reply to  ame

Haha, and next Jesus will have died from Covid, more tribal mockery of the Lord.

Shardlake
Shardlake
Jul 15, 2020 2:04 PM
Reply to  Zen Priest

… and if he’d had been wearing a gun that night in the Gethsemane garden he might still be alive today.

Tony
Tony
Jul 14, 2020 9:09 PM

I have just read the latest article about coronavirus on MOA, and have now deleted MOA from my favourites list. What a total waste of five minutes of my life. Even more so than his last nonsensical article about coronavirus and ethnicity, and that’s saying something! Bernhard Hortsman is so full of shit on this subject, it’s coming out of his ears. It’s hard to take anything he writes about anything seriously nowadays after him first getting Hong Kong so badly wrong, and now this. What a pillock!

Carey
Carey
Jul 14, 2020 10:57 PM
Reply to  Tony

Yeah, I just had a glance at b’s latest ZOMG!!! COVID-19!! fear-mongering..
 
gotten-to, like virtually all sites now.

Kalen
Kalen
Jul 14, 2020 8:25 PM

New rapid COVID test. THE SAME MEANINGLESS CRAP like ct-qPCR.

From FDA website:

The Sofia SARS Antigen FIA (test) does not differentiate between SARS-CoV and SARS-CoV-2.

Results are for the identification of SARS-CoV-2 nucleocapsid protein antigen. Antigen is generally detectable in upper respiratory specimens during the acute phase of infection. Positive results indicate the presence of viral antigens, but clinical correlation with patient history and other diagnostic information is necessary to determine infection status. Positive results do not rule out bacterial infection or co-infection with other viruses. The agent detected may not be the definite cause of disease. Laboratories within the United States and its territories are required to report all positive results to the appropriate public health authorities.

https://www.fda.gov/media/137885/download

Again this test supposedly detects some agent that according to FDA and QUIDEL Corporation own admission “may not be the definite cause of [COVID] disease”.

Dangerous medical testing fraud explodes exponentially into absurdity.

John Ervin
John Ervin
Jul 14, 2020 9:14 PM
Reply to  Kalen

KALEN LOGGED: “Dangerous medical testing fraud explodes exponentially into absurdity.”

Nicely put. Kafka and Salvador Dali would approve, for slightly different yet deeply related reasons. In a better, parallel universe, it would be the headline today.

(And, more to the point, suggestively accurate. Which is useful in trying to circumscribe –“wrap our heads around”– such a global thorn as this has offered all of us.)

OUCH
__________

Epigraph to the Covid page at Swiss Policy Research, by Albert Camus, in 1947 (“La Peste”):

“The only means of fighting the Plague is honesty.”

Paul
Paul
Jul 14, 2020 9:16 PM
Reply to  Kalen

So basically they’re testing for any bacterial or viral infection.

nouserid
nouserid
Jul 14, 2020 7:53 PM

I’m glad somebody else said what I’ve been thinking below first so I didn’t have to spell it out:
 
“Calamity Jane
 Jul 14, 2020 7:18 PM
 
 
 Reply to  nouserid
Agree nousrid
They have forgotten their oaths.
They have forgotten their humanity.
They sign an employment confidentiality form with govt and they’re mostly empathy-less compassion fatigued tools of the medical industrial complex and the State.
And the closeted euthanizing of vulnerable patients and medical has been going on for some time in these hospitals its just increased numbers and been exposed during operation covid.
Approx 250,000 die each year from medical ” errors” in the US alone.”
 
I think one of the reasons I have been finding this article so hard to believe is that I don’t much believe in the NHS any more.
 
Yes, of course we all use it when we’re desperate, and there’s still some good people in there, but I’m really not sure how many any more, but fear it is now the minority.
 
I think if the person who wrote this article above was genuinely expressing the feeling in the NHS generally, the NHS would never have let this happen – they’d have resisted fraudulent practices to misrepresent covid-19 stats, not just in small numbers but in large groups, and never let the managers who forced this on them on behalf of the government get away with it.
 
I’m afraid the NHS has become like the politicians, media, scientists and police, just full of people covering their own rears and not really motivated to give true service and care to the public any more.

I don’t think the NHS deserves its saintly reputation any more, and I think it’s time the public realised that and demanded better treatment, when the truth is we still pay their wages.
 
Millions are losing their lives due to medical neglect because of the lockdown, and jobs, businesses and even sanity, and the message we are being given by this article, is that there are no doctors willing to put their names to what’s going on, they are so keen to protect their jobs while millions of other lose theirs due to the lockdown mania, which only the scientists and doctors can discredit, as they are the people the government is hiding its tyranny behind.
 
NHS workers and doctors must speak out en masse, or they do not deserve the respect they are still held in by the public, and that this respect has been fading for a long time is one of the reasons so many have been resistant to applauding the NHS.
 
One even suspects the government brought in this applauding the NHS ritual in thanks for the NHS not questioning its lies.
 
If enough of the NHS staff come out of “the closet” and expose the covid-19 fraud, they’ll deserve applause then alright, but in my view, only then, and not until.

 

richard
richard
Jul 14, 2020 8:41 PM
Reply to  nouserid

One even suspects the government brought in this applauding the NHS ritual in thanks for the NHS not questioning its lies.”
Why do you think you have to take your shoes off or your belt or throw away your bottle of water at the airport?
After all, 911 was an inside job and the Shoebomber was a fake operation.
They,ve never caught a terrorist at the airport even with their tanks.
It’s just propaganda to maintain the narrative.

Paul
Paul
Jul 14, 2020 9:21 PM
Reply to  nouserid

If the Tories and any other government over the last few decades have been so concerned about the NHS they why didn’t they fund it properly and why did they vote against giving nurses pay rises.

They don’t care about the NHS and once it’s no longer useful for them to exploit they will throw it under the bus.

The only way anyone will get proper medical care going forward is to pay for it privately.

JohnEss
JohnEss
Jul 15, 2020 2:45 AM
Reply to  Paul

“ The only way anyone will get proper medical care going forward is to pay for it privately.”

No. That is exactly the mindset the scum at the top want to engender.

Acceptance of what is, on their terms. That is the end-game to all of this conditioning.

The only way anyone will get proper medical care going forward is to demand and fight for it, not to pay for it.

Keto is natural
Keto is natural
Jul 16, 2020 3:05 PM
Reply to  JohnEss

Demand it from whom? Someone must give up their time and years traning because you demand it? Violent approriation of people’s time – eg slavery is your answer. Sounds nice. Let me know how it goes.

JohnEss
JohnEss
Jul 16, 2020 3:13 PM

Of course, you understand perfectly well the context in which I refer to demanding medical care.
 
Are you being obtuse deliberately?
 
Or does it come naturally?

Keto is natural
Keto is natural
Jul 17, 2020 11:39 AM
Reply to  JohnEss

No, I disagree with you. I don’t believe anyone has the right to medical care full stop . What we all have the right to is true information. That the body is self healing and that all diseases are not as they are made out. Medical care starts with a healthy diet, helthy mind, and spirit. They are all one. The major religions took us away from this and now the new atheist religion of “science” does the same. Most “medicine” interferes with natural processes and will result in us being stamped out or as an excuse for the elite to bring in more eugenics (see that clown philsopher at Cambridge, name forgets me, blatantly putting out what is going to happen).

nick
nick
Jul 16, 2020 8:34 PM
Reply to  JohnEss

Someone must pay. Who? Another key question is: how much of our GDP can and should go to health?

Jo Dominich
Jo Dominich
Jul 16, 2020 1:28 PM
Reply to  Paul

Paul the NHS not underfunded. The question that needs to be asked is where is all the money going? It isn’t on patient care and acute beds that’s for sure. We have the lowest number of acute beds per capita population and the lowest number of doctors and nurses working on the front line than the rest of the developed world. I have no idea why the Tories voted against giving nurses pay rises but I do know this, nursing is now a very highly paid profession – that is a fact. They are not underpaid. Consultants are pay paid way in excess of their counterparts in Europe or other world countries (except the USA) in addition to which, of course, around 70% of their time is spent lining their pockets with lucrative private work for which they use NHS nurses, theatre staff and facilities without having to pay for them from the booty they have earned from the private operation. Hence the NHS Waiting Lists. No other explanation for them.
 
Tony Blair’s government put hundreds and hundreds of millions of pounds into the Modernisation Agenda, designed to bring patient services and care including outcomes in line with those of Europe and other countries. It was to purchase state of the art modern treatment, develop community based health care centres that could perform minor operations, blood transfusions, x-rays etc without someone have to go to hospital and other things that would improve and radicalise patient care. They also put in another £300m for the treatment of stomach and pancreatic cancer the outcomes of which we were among the worst in Europe and some other countries. What happened to all this money. Well, the modernisation agenda money was spent on giving Consultants massive pay rises,
nurses also. It resulted in professions allied to medicine such as Occupational Therapists, physios etc, who are technicians effectively, receiving a massive regrading to the extent, like nurses, they earn in excess of £30,000 per year. Not a penny of the money went on purchasing new equipment, building community resources to prevent hospital attendance or building more medical and nursing capacity and more bed capacity. No, it went on themselves. All of it. Hundreds of thousands of managerial posts (highly paid of course) were created. What happened to the £300m? Well, the Senior NHS Executive at the time was questioned on Radio 4 about this. Not one extra patient had been seen or treated. No new, innovative, successful treatments were tried or implemented, no extra beds or community based treatment services were developed. Nothing. The Executive was really struggling to answer the interviewer’s persistent questioning. In the end, he had to admit the NHS had no idea where £300m of public money had been spent.
 
That’s the NHS. When there’s money available. It goes on themselves, empire building with the purpose of obtaining a lucrative regrading and creation of more and more managerial jobs. It never goes on patient care.
 
 
 

Keto is natural
Keto is natural
Jul 16, 2020 3:03 PM
Reply to  Paul

it’s been funded properly. But its run by common purpose and pilfers the money away to their friends via PFI’s and overproced contracts. Like when my last one was born the consultant had a broken light in his office….I asked baout it and said he refused to have it fixed because the contractors billed £300 to change a lightbulb. He has probbaly been sacked by now for having common sense and loyalty to the patients.

Jo Dominich
Jo Dominich
Jul 16, 2020 1:14 PM
Reply to  nouserid

Well said. The NHS deserve condemnation not praise. Here we are, allegedly in the worse health crisis since the War and what do the NHS do They shut down! On full pay as well. Not going to work? Fine. We’ll give you full salary to stay at home. Good thing this is a fake scamdemic. God only knows where would be if it was real.

George Mc
George Mc
Jul 14, 2020 7:46 PM

Maybe I’ve started to hallucinate but I just watched the 1995 Dustin Hoffman disaster cheesefest “Outbreak”, then switched to the BBC and couldn’t spot the difference. I have to pass quickly over the news these days for fear of permanent psychological damage but I’m sure I heard a bit about the safest kind of mask to wear – three layers or four? Should it be ribbed or furred? Perhaps it should feature miniature rotor blades? This followed by a discussion on the new curve and how it has germinated multidimensional parabolas. Then I had to beat a speedy retreat when the migrainal shudders started.  

wardropper
wardropper
Jul 14, 2020 9:23 PM
Reply to  George Mc

It’s true. My wife asked me if I’d like to watch the news at 7:00 this evening, and I said, no thanks. I’ve memorized the news already, since it’s the same every day, and I can’t stand watching what used to be my fellow human beings going, “Baaa, baaa, baaa…” any longer. It’s comical and horrifying at the same time, and my greatest hope in life is to outlive it, just as someone long ago wrote in the press that his greatest hope in life was to outlive Margaret Thatcher – and he probably did…

Jo Dominich
Jo Dominich
Jul 16, 2020 1:31 PM
Reply to  wardropper

Wardropper, I gave up reading or watching any mainstream broadcast news or MSM news around 10 years ago and I am much the better for it. I turn to sites like these and others to at least read truthful news. My father used to call the News “The Miseries” he was right.

wardropper
wardropper
Jul 16, 2020 2:41 PM
Reply to  Jo Dominich

Typical news these days is to get a sentence which begins with, “These are the worst statistics on fatalities since . . . since . . . since . . . (wait for it – we’re expecting the Bubonic Plague from hundreds of years ago…) since yesterday afternoon…
10 years ago is about right concerning the very obvious collapse of mainstream news, although JFK and nine-eleven did wake up a few people long before that. Then of course there was the Iraq invasion of 2003 and the banking avalanche of 2008… It was Iraq that settled the matter for me.
I watch the news occasionally, just to keep my wife company, but it frankly appals me, and I’m very pleased to see that my wife has recently become very unenthusiastic and quiet about what the mainstream regurgitate at us every day, even if the whole truth is still too much for her to handle.

Jo Dominich
Jo Dominich
Jul 19, 2020 11:30 AM
Reply to  wardropper

Hi Wardropper Yes I agree. Right now you would think that the bubonic plague was out there. Although I cannot stand Boris Johnson I was heartened, whilst in a supermarket this morning, to see a headline that said there will not be another national lockdown. I am sick and tired of the sanctimonious Gestapo (otherwise known as alleged scientists) bleating on about a 2nd wave, another 120,000 deaths etc. It’s about time someone cut through the crap of this scamdemic.

wardropper
wardropper
Jul 19, 2020 2:25 PM
Reply to  Jo Dominich

Sounds like “the authorities” have seen a number of our pitchforks in public places . . .
As for Johnson, well, if he continues with his very incompetent Trump impressions, could, of course, change his mind at any time…

Jo Dominich
Jo Dominich
Jul 20, 2020 12:42 PM
Reply to  wardropper

Yes, he could but I don’t think he will. There’s a march or demonstration in London today or coming up this weekend about not being forced to wear masks, no track and trace and something else. We’ll see!

nick
nick
Jul 16, 2020 8:46 PM
Reply to  wardropper

I advise my wife to always read the news rather than listen, as the panicked tones of endlessly pessimistic reporters only increases her fear and worry. But it’s a hard habit to break. As for reading about covid-19, choose independent twitter reporters like Covid19Crusher or Dr James Todaro, or independent news sites like ‘Swiss Policy Research’ and ‘Covid19study’. I see no way to accuse these sources of putting profits and ideology before fighting the pandemic and saving lives. They don’t hate Trump, don’t worship the WHO, and aren’t funded by Gilead (makers of Remdesivir, which hardly works and will cost $3,400 per patient. Big Pharma cannot profit from HCQ, which is off-patent).

wardropper
wardropper
Jul 16, 2020 11:46 PM
Reply to  nick

Absolutely. I have the greatest respect for those who do NOT subscribe to the corrupt system we obviously live in, and I turn regularly to those sources you mention.
Good point about reading the news rather than listening. Most reporters aren’t even half-decent actors when it comes to presenting information, and are really only fit for propaganda jobs in geriatric wards and infant schools – which is, of course, exactly where they think we belong.

John Ervin
John Ervin
Jul 14, 2020 9:29 PM
Reply to  George Mc

Cute, George Mc, who writes your “material”?

I’ve been oft beating the same speedy retreat since Trump first swagged into the big Round Room.

I have to catch up with the daily tsunamis of steer manure in capsule summaries, the drifts, it’s much more hygienic.

The fashion maskology is a little too much, though. You’ve got the big houses, Givenchy, Dior, building worlds of style atound it. “Too much of a good thing.” Yecchh.

(Rotor blades is nice. The whole Covid fashion industry is how Joe Bageant put it, with puny pathos: “When life serves you ****, you might as well bring your own fork.”)

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Jul 15, 2020 3:03 AM
Reply to  George Mc

Had me in hysterics.
 
Every so often I read the Dorset Eye Unofficial Coronavirus Guidelines and it has me in hysterics every time even though it’s been a few times now that I’ve read it.
https://dorseteye.com/the-un-official-coronavirus-guidelines/

Moneycircus
Moneycircus
Jul 14, 2020 7:27 PM

UK Column News – 13th July 2020 
Trigger warning – I won’t restrain myself from the use of CAPITALS.
 
Did the governments lie? Did the Telly Lie? Did the Papers Lie? PHWOAR Say it Ain’t So.
 
SIX PARTS PER MILLION — Why is the Corporatist Media not celebrating that humanity has escaped annihilation? CDC finally calculates death rate – after how many months? – 0.26%
 
For people under the age of 65 the death rate is 0.0006%. Grand total TA DA…. six people per million.
 
THE GOOD DR JOSEPH IS A LIAR
After months of day-by-day broadcasts from the hospital bed of Dr Joseph Fair, NBC discovers their most famous Covid victim never had Covid.
 
Fake News NBC lied about Virologist-with-Covid who Repeatedly Tested Negative. NBC’s Fake News would be HILARIOUS if it was not SEDITIOUS.
 
Data suggest Florida’s record-breaking coronavirus days may have been inflated by as much as 30% 
 
Public Health England admits it’s been double counting (every Covid test is a winner @@!!) and is going to ‘remove’ multiple counts. One will believe that when one sees it.
 
This is all based on a Non-Diagnostic Test for a Disease that has NEVER BEEN ISOLATED. But Trust the Science.. don’t worry.. there’s a whole cohort of science shills approved by Popular Mechanics and Wikipeduh.
 
In Britain Pasty faced Moron Matt Hancock won’t admit that the Excess Deaths were BELOW the longterm average UNTIL THE LOCKDOWN OF THE NHS.
 
YOU PROTECTED THE NHS BY KILLING LOTS OF PEOPLE – UK Column tells someone who can only be described as an embarrassment and a traitor to his nation.
 


richard
richard
Jul 14, 2020 7:52 PM
Reply to  Moneycircus

brill

Watt
Watt
Jul 14, 2020 8:28 PM
Reply to  Moneycircus

UKColumn. Best of the rest! Currently peerless. A Scotsman, an Englishman and an Irishman and an American walked into a newsroom. Just a tad cheeky but it grows on one.

ginghiniagenie
ginghiniagenie
Jul 14, 2020 10:40 PM
Reply to  Watt

I’m a huge fan of the perpetually confused “Coroni” mascot and Patrick’s deadpan articulation of the character’s mental malaise.

Einstein
Einstein
Jul 15, 2020 6:00 PM
Reply to  Watt

Agreed.
UKcoumnnews is the only intelligent medium left.
The lugubrious Englishman (Brian Gerrish), contrary Irishman (Mike Robinson) and sharp Scot (David Scott) make a great trio, ably supported by Alex Thomson (internal affairs) and Vanessa Beeley (external affairs).

Keto is natural
Keto is natural
Jul 16, 2020 3:09 PM
Reply to  Einstein

I stopped reading/watching them a few months ago…they were pushing the covid scam at the start…they done a u-turn now eh?

Aldous Hexley
Aldous Hexley
Jul 14, 2020 9:09 PM
Reply to  Moneycircus

Speaking of “data problems” we also have this:
 
Florida way off on its numbers game (July 14)
 
Journalists scouring the reams of daily data for discrepancies have apparently happened upon bombshell they had been hoping for: Orlando Health has just confirmed that some of the data it shared over the weekend were wrong, after journalists reported more than 50 labs showing 100% positivity rate, or roughly around there. One local Fox affiliate looked into the numbers and contacted a few of the labs to confirm that their internal data matched the public data released by the state.
 
As it turned out, some of these discrepancies were pretty extreme: Orlando Health, one of the organizations contacted by Fox, confirmed that it’s positivity rate was actually 9.8%, not the 98% that had been reported to the state.
 
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/several-florida-labs-report-positivity-rates-100
 
From a positivity rate of 9.8% to reported as 98%. Are we questioning yet?

Waldorf
Waldorf
Jul 15, 2020 7:35 AM
Reply to  Aldous Hexley

Amazing what can be achieved by forgetting a decimal point.

Paul
Paul
Jul 14, 2020 9:23 PM
Reply to  Moneycircus

And Hancock and Boris should be charged and spend the rest of their lives in jail for what they’ve done.

JohnEss
JohnEss
Jul 15, 2020 2:45 PM
Reply to  Paul

But they own the judge…

nick
nick
Jul 16, 2020 9:01 PM
Reply to  Paul

Much more convincing for me is that they didn’t know what they were doing, because of scientific illiteracy. That’s a problem shared by politicians of all tones, not to mention most academics, mass media and general public. Hating the Tory brand may relieve feelings but won’t fix chaos and confusion. I wrote about the anti-science of our fear-ridden society here: https://medium.com/@nickhunt_41682/how-not-to-become-a-climate-crisis-fear-monger-e6cf65168c21
 
 

wardropper
wardropper
Jul 17, 2020 12:08 AM
Reply to  nick

That may be true, but the answer is to get our system redesigned so that scientifically illiterate politicians don’t make it into positions where they have to make science-based decisions. It’s like when you get your best pal to give you advice on a topic about which he knows nothing at all, you need to ignore him and get back to discussing a subject where you both have something in common.

wardropper
wardropper
Jul 16, 2020 11:57 PM
Reply to  Paul

“But we were only following orders.”
“Following orders? Whose orders?”
“Fauci’s and Bill Gates’s.”
“But they’re Americans.”
“Oh, but don’t they speak English like we do?”
“Yes, but your job is to recruit your own scientific experts – it’s not as if we don’t have any in our country of over 66 million people.”
“But the Americans are so powerful, and rich, and cool.”
“The Americans are trillions in debt, and following them will throw us into the same cesspoool.”
“You’re a spoilsport. We don’t want to talk to you any more, and we want our mums.”
 
This is the level we’re at in the politics of Great Britain. Instantly recognizable to any teacher who has worked in an infant school. The trouble is, they can so easily hide behind the fact that practically every other western politician is following the same orders…
 

wardropper
wardropper
Jul 14, 2020 9:26 PM
Reply to  Moneycircus

You don’t even get to be a high-ranking politician today without being “a traitor to your nation”, but the general public don’t seem too upset about it…

Keto is natural
Keto is natural
Jul 16, 2020 3:10 PM
Reply to  wardropper

because they are stated indictrinated aka “educated”

wardropper
wardropper
Jul 16, 2020 4:03 PM

Indeed. If only education today meant teaching people how to think…
Steve Jobs said that everybody should learn to programme and code, because it teaches you how to think, but that’s only true in his world if you agree that thinking is a mathematical process linked to business models.
I honestly think that learning to play the violin or the piano to a high level would teach people a lot more about how to think, because you have to search both within yourself and beyond yourself if you want to achieve real and worthwhile fulfillment in such a field.

Keto is natural
Keto is natural
Jul 17, 2020 11:44 AM
Reply to  wardropper

Most thinking is automatic thoughts. Learning to think, in my opinion is about harmonising body, mind and soul. Realising that they are one. It, for me is the main reason drugs like cannabis and ahuhasca are illegal. They open up (if the person is willing) consiousness without the need for extensive meditation. I think you could be correct re music if they imerse themselve sin the music and clear out the automatic thought processes – eg ‘he wants to eat me, i want to sleep with that, they are coming to get me’ etc etc. Until people realise their minds, spirit, body and soul are one they can never unlock their true potential.

wardropper
wardropper
Jul 17, 2020 2:16 PM

Very true. Since we’re discussing such things, I might as well mention that the spiritual teachers of what some call, “The White Path”, give serious warnings about trying to use short-cuts when developing or training one’s consciousness and seeking higher knowledge.
Not because the short-cuts don’t “work”, but because they lead to mental ruin on account of the lack of adequate preparation.
Such pursuits are not everybody’s destiny of course, and in any case the subject of thinking – what it is, and what it is not, is a complex one.
 

Keto is natural
Keto is natural
Jul 17, 2020 3:43 PM
Reply to  wardropper

This is true western minds, and young eastern minds are not prepared. I myself have been warned by a sikh elder not to meddle with the spirits and to remember that there are good and bad spirits – just because they come to one during enlightenment doesnt mean they have good intentions for our soul. It’s the same reason why Alan Watts repeatedly warned that western minds need to be careful with meditation and the spirit world.

nick
nick
Jul 16, 2020 9:07 PM
Reply to  wardropper

They don’t betray us equally; many politicians also still want to maintain rule from Brussels, so negating what British voters chose. Right or wrong, smart or stupid, that choice must be respected to avoid destroying the democratic system. Unless a system proven to be superior is on offer, of course. But I can’t name one in which ordinary people can collectively remove failed or corrupt rulers by the peaceful ballot box.

wardropper
wardropper
Jul 16, 2020 10:52 PM
Reply to  nick

I can’t bring myself to think of political systems as abstract ideas any more. What’s happening to us now is not abstract, but utterly, vividly and physically corrupt, so what you call “respecting the politicians’ choice in order to avoid destroying the democratic system” is certainly a good idea, but it is rendered obsolete by the fact – and it is a fact –  that your democratic system is clearly no longer actually democratic. It has been hijacked by immoral gangsters, who can shut down the economy at will. When was that ever a characteristic of democracy?
Nor is the ballot box the innocent thing it might once have been. Here again, as relevant as ever, Mark Twain: “If voting made any difference, they wouldn’t let us do it.”

tonyopmoc
tonyopmoc
Jul 14, 2020 4:33 PM

Never seen a problem on a bus before this nonsense, and used to use them a lot. Wife gets a bus to see our Grandson, and takes him to the park. She complies and wears a mask. On the way back, a woman gets on the bus not wearing mask. Driver says nothing. It’s not his job. Another woman wearing a mask, screams abuse at the unmasked one, who screams abuse back. Driver stops bus, and tells them both to behave.
 
Now masks compulsory in shops.
 
Do I really want to go to the pub, when nearly everyone has gone completely bonkers, and I refuse to wear a mask.
 
Do I really want to go in a shop again?
 
Nah, it ain’t worth the ag.
 
We are all screwed. It’s not going to go away. It’s going to get worse, by design. I don’t believe in the cock up theory. This has all be well planned, tested and refined using the very latest brainwashing techniques to which their is little if any defence, except to avoid exposure, by not watching TV. All the politicians and media will be brainwashed too. They have never been that bright.
 
I strongly suspect this article is legit. Though there are only around 6 or 7 large hospitals with A&E in Surrey, there are 191 consultants listed on a quick check, so far from easy to identify who the author is.
 
I don’t blame him for remaining anonymous. If he used his own name, it would have absolutely no effect on anything, even if he appeared on TV, which he almost certainly would not be allowed to. The propaganda is far too entrenched. It’s the new zombie religion of the 80%. The only real effect would be that he would lose his job, and my guess is that he is very good at it, or he wouldn’t have bothered writing it.
 
Tony

breweriana
breweriana
Jul 14, 2020 5:08 PM
Reply to  tonyopmoc

The only ‘virus’ is that of hysteria, judging from that bus story.
World’s gone bonkers, for sure.

nick
nick
Jul 16, 2020 9:12 PM
Reply to  breweriana

Alternatively, this is what the victory of emotion (namely fear and hate) over reason feels like. Fear produces lockdown and climate crisis, and overwhelms reason and evidence. When emotion rules, fascism and extremism result. Reason rules when there is democracy and free speech to think and debate without fear of reprisal or censorship. Such things are fundamental to democracy and the West, and all are now threatened.
 

nouserid
nouserid
Jul 14, 2020 6:28 PM
Reply to  tonyopmoc

I don’t blame him for remaining anonymous. If he used his own name, it would have absolutely no effect on anything, even if he appeared on TV, which he almost certainly would not be allowed to.”
 
On the contrary, I think it might make a massive difference if a medical figure of that stature was actually willing to make a public statement to the mainstream press or media, or even write to their MPs, whistle-blowing on what’s really going on in hospitals – i.e.
 
a) vastly reduced service
b) numerous tests and operations cancelled
c) fraudulent over-reporting and misreporting of covid-19 stats and deaths.
 
Whether or not this article is genuine, or just some justifiable (in someone’s mind) make-believe (you know, even once esteemed journalists and newspapers like The Times believed the Hitler Diaries hoax for a time), the fact is, if this article is true, and there really is “a tsunami” of potential whistle-blowers in the NHS who are in tears about the failure to give the public the truth and life saving, true medical services there must be thousands of staff of many grades, even managers maybe, who are near enough to retirement age or financially secure enough to risk this, given the stakes are so immeasurably high.
 
They could even use round-robin style letters signed by a whole group from the same or different hospitals to avoid one person having to take the rap – they can’t sack everybody if enough people speak the truth.
 
So I again repeat, this is totally worthless – good to inspire clicks and comments only – if somebody is not willing to put their name to it, and also may mislead everyone about how the majority of NHS staff may be feeling when they are not.
 
This is always the problem with conspiracy theorists – they constantly cite anonymous sources who they say are too scared to break cover. But the problem is then a conspiracy writer can make any claims they like and never have to provide evidence, and without that evidence it is real, like somebody who can actually be found on the medical register and is listed at hospital x, y or z, it cannot be viewed as valid evidence that even the general public can take seriously, let alone any judge or jury or court or public inquiry.
 
In real dictatorships (we’re not quite there yet) speaking out can lead to imprisonment, torture or even execution, but here we are only talking about suspension or job loss at most (which millions of others are facing due to this lockdown), and if somebody could get a major newspaper or TV station to listen to them, the scandal that could cause of a high profile figure being sacked or threatened for whistle-blowing could well protect them.
 
So I’m sorry, if this is really true, there must be thousands of staff who would be willing to take the risk of whistle blowing, and so where are they?

Doctors and NHS staff generally are under some kind of oath (like the Hippocratic one) to save lives, and they are failing miserably by letting this hoax and cover-up continue.
 
And if some of them are not willing to risk martyrdom, they are letting up to millions of the rest of us be martyrs instead, who are not getting our required treatment, and also are suffering terribly under the lock-down, which I am quite sure (one named doctor did say so) is causing numerous extra suicides from people who just can’t take it any more.

breweriana
breweriana
Jul 14, 2020 7:11 PM
Reply to  nouserid

use round-robin style letter”
Yes.
That’s how they put grievances forward in the old unreformed Royal Navy. The old solutions are often best.

Watt
Watt
Jul 14, 2020 8:30 PM
Reply to  breweriana

Yes. Very good points. Can’t we help them? Throw a lifeline?

breweriana
breweriana
Jul 14, 2020 9:50 PM
Reply to  Watt

If you know any NHS staff, mail them this:
 
Round-robin is a document signed by multiple parties in a circle to make it more difficult to determine the order in which it was signed, thus preventing a ringleader from being identified.
This practice was adopted by sailors petitioning officers in the Royal Navy (first recorded 1731).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Round-robin_(document)

John Ervin
John Ervin
Jul 14, 2020 9:35 PM
Reply to  breweriana

Yes. Gore Vidal gave an interview about resistance on WBAI, NYC, after Dubya’s second (consecutive) stolen “election” in 2004, pointing out how Iranians ousted the Shah in 1979 by passing around tape cassettes of their polemics, et al. “Cheap, incredibly effective, costs almost nothing.”

As with food, many old forms are the best indeed. Less “processed”!

Probably more so than the internet, where they can minutely track everything we say and do etc.

Watt
Watt
Jul 14, 2020 11:59 PM
Reply to  John Ervin

We’re talking samizdat here, right? Way to go!
 

Calamity Jane
Calamity Jane
Jul 14, 2020 7:18 PM
Reply to  nouserid

Agree nousrid
They have forgotten their oaths.
They have forgotten their humanity.
They sign an employment confidentiality form with govt and they’re mostly empathy-less compassion fatigued tools of the medical industrial complex and the State.
And the closeted euthanizing of vulnerable patients and medical has been going on for some time in these hospitals its just increased numbers and been exposed during operation covid.
Approx 250,000 die each year from medical ” errors” in the US alone.

Jo Dominich
Jo Dominich
Jul 16, 2020 2:00 PM
Reply to  Calamity Jane

Calamity Jane, now of course, Doctors have got added immunity from prosecution if they kill people either through refusing treatment or by medical malpractice. The CV-19 Bill has handed them over a Licence to Kill with no consequences.

richard
richard
Jul 14, 2020 8:09 PM
Reply to  nouserid

In Europe you can go to prison for questioning history. Also, ask David Kelly what happens to whistleblowers…
Who needs a “real dictatorship”?
No tv company or newspaper would touch it.

Watt
Watt
Jul 15, 2020 5:16 AM
Reply to  richard

‘In Europe you can go to prison for questioning history.’
 
Good point. Could become a norm right now, but this time for questioning the present. Few people are up in arms at this time. Questioning coroney baloney could easily become the next over-arching taboo. I’ve already seen/heard the phrase ‘covid denier.’
 

nick
nick
Jul 16, 2020 9:23 PM
Reply to  richard

So what happens to Britons who say ‘white lives matter’, Isl_m is a religion of w_r, ‘multiculturalism is evil’, ‘Britain First’, or to those who protest M_slim rape gangs or even train pugs to do N_zi salutes as a joke?

wardropper
wardropper
Jul 14, 2020 9:37 PM
Reply to  nouserid

There are actually quite a few doctors by now – some of them retired, of course – who HAVE put their reputation on the line and spoken out.
Yet the powerful machinery of institutionalized IGNORING has negated their courageous stand. For younger experts, losing your job, when the only likely result is that you will be officially ignored, is really not very bright, courage aside. So I cannot really condemn those who know but are afraid to speak – that’s a quite different class of person from those who just can’t be bothered to speak.
But, boy, do I condemn those who are systematically MAKING them afraid to speak.

Jo Dominich
Jo Dominich
Jul 16, 2020 2:02 PM
Reply to  wardropper

Wardropper, added to which of course, is the massive censorship that is currently in play and the active promotion of propaganda. YouTube have banned any videos from Doctors or similar that question the established narrative. Did I hear the word democracy?

wardropper
wardropper
Jul 16, 2020 2:46 PM
Reply to  Jo Dominich

Interestingly, there are still a fair number of videos on YouTube which DO get close to the truth and indicate quite forcefully the enormous hoax-atrocity being dripped constantly into our consciousness by the mainstream criminals.

Jo Dominich
Jo Dominich
Jul 16, 2020 1:58 PM
Reply to  nouserid

The problem is that our MSM is so vicious, vitriolic and malicious that anyone who dares raise their head above the parapet will be hounded to the point of suicide probably. They will hound your friends, ex patients, family, colleagues etc and pay them to dish any dirt on you they’ve got. They won’t until your reputation is utterly destroyed, your family is destroyed and, possibly, like Caroline Flack, it ends in suicide (at which point the MSM become sanctimonious pricks blaming everyone and anyone except themselves) Our MSM is a disgrace to this country and shames us in the eyes of the world. I wouldn’t give my name under these circumstances.
 
Having worked with the NHS for many years it is true there is a huge body of staff who seriously question what is going and are incensed by it. Offset that against a high salary, an inward looking protective culture, a corrupt management structure but immense job security, excellent pay and a lot of holidays, it is unlikely any individuals will come forward. However, there is no reason why a “NHS Whistle-blowers Organisation can’t be coordinated so that the staff wishing to tell the truth can do so collectively with 2 spokespeople managing media interviews and disseminating information. Whether they will or not is unclear. My guess is, they are in cushy little jobs, highly paid, large amount of holidays, good pensions and have no desire to tell the truth.

nick
nick
Jul 16, 2020 9:25 PM
Reply to  Jo Dominich

‘The fake news media is the greatest enemy of the people’ said Orange Man Bad.

Jo Dominich
Jo Dominich
Jul 19, 2020 12:00 PM
Reply to  nick

Nick, oh so true. Was that the Orange Baboon in the White House or the Orange Baboon Mini Me here in the UK?

Keto is natural
Keto is natural
Jul 16, 2020 3:12 PM
Reply to  nouserid

thats because the modern elite have realise deplatforming is a way of silencing that doesnt give up the game. It has the same effect – total control for THEM.

Carey
Carey
Jul 14, 2020 10:46 PM
Reply to  tonyopmoc

> We are all screwed. It’s not going to go away. It’s going to get worse, by design. I don’t believe in the cock up theory. This has all be well planned, tested and refined using the very latest brainwashing techniques to which their is little if any defence..

Full agreement here, tonyopmoc. In my region (Central California Coast) there have been exactly
four deaths attributed to the Dreaded Pathogen, all with comorbidities and in care homes; but
the fear-vibe and masking have gone off the charts..

we are *hosed*, and it’s by design.. but the poppies are in bloom, and Nature still beckons-

C.

Watt
Watt
Jul 14, 2020 11:55 PM
Reply to  tonyopmoc

I’m banned from my former local. Due not so much to my behaviour, but rather to the ‘little Hitler’ syndrome coming from the majority of staff left in place. So who banned me? Well, I did.
 

Jo Dominich
Jo Dominich
Jul 16, 2020 1:49 PM
Reply to  tonyopmoc

Hi Tony, I have been going to the pub – they’ve got it very well organised and discreet. I have never had to leave or give my personal details. All they ask is that you fill in a form and put it in a box. From what I have seen, nobody yet has done that. However, I do enjoy a pint in a pub and I’m glad they are open again.
 
Touching on something else you said about this won’t go away. I note in the past 3-4 weeks the new Gestapo, the ‘Scientists’ are giving it large pushing warnings and tripe about a ‘2nd wave’ (question: Where is the 1st wave?) and the potential of 120,000 more deaths. They keep on and on and on about it. They can’t predict anything. WHO is also frantically pushing this message. Methinks desperation on the part of TPTB is creeping in. As things are rapidly getting back to normal, pubs open, hotels open etc, the public are getting back to work, to their routines, to their social life, normality in other words. WHO seem to be desperate to prevent this and are unashamedly scaremongering.
 
God knows, I can’t stand Boris Johnson, a charlatan, pathological liar, champagne charlie but, he is at least standing up to the Gestapo and reopening the country.

Keto is natural
Keto is natural
Jul 16, 2020 3:17 PM
Reply to  Jo Dominich

No, he’s so gracefully allowing shops etc to open but continues to cause fear so people dont use them. Then he can stand back and say ‘not my fault gov’ as all the small businesses go under and the large corps mop up the profits and banks mop up peoples assets. Classic redistribtion of wealth…follow the money.

Jo Dominich
Jo Dominich
Jul 19, 2020 11:33 AM

Hi Keto, interesting view. Our less than esteemed Prime Minister has said everything will return to normal by Christmas. It will be interesting to see what happens to the retail sector as it was in real trouble prior to lockdown.

Keto is natural
Keto is natural
Jul 20, 2020 10:21 AM
Reply to  Jo Dominich

He also say’s he’s not a communist whilst rolling out communism and more alarmingly says he would rather use trident than do a second lockdown. Wonder who he’s going to launch a trident missile or two at……

Jo Dominich
Jo Dominich
Jul 20, 2020 12:39 PM

Ah, now let’s see, Trident is old and outdated. Keep an eye on the button!

wardropper
wardropper
Jul 17, 2020 2:36 PM
Reply to  tonyopmoc

The ability to think, regardless of the outer circumstances, is nevertheless, to my mind, good reason to hope that we are NOT screwed. Bill Brother might do his best with trying to get robot chips into our bloodstream, but he simply lacks the scientific and moral knowledge to have any idea of what he is really doing. That fact will probably save us, but meanwhile I am as furious as hell that those with the greatest influence in the world are even discussing the possibility of implementing such abominable technology. The genetic and pathologic potential for great harm to us humans ought to mean the automatic shutting down of such enterprises.
It’s the same problem as with most so-called democracies today. Within their governmental systems, they invariably have partisan “flexibility” to shift members of parliament around, so that, for example, a justice minister, or a minister for the arts, will be health minister tomorrow – without any advanced scientific training whatsoever.
This will, of course, mean that he will have to rely upon the “advice” of others when making pronouncements which affect all our lives, just as is happening right now. The changes which must happen to our political systems will have to be really drastic if we are going to look for significant progress in general human evolution.
 

Felix Culpa
Felix Culpa
Jul 14, 2020 4:21 PM

The best family doctor I ever had placed a homemade sign in his examination room. It read, “Children tend to follow your example more than your advice.”

And more than children. Media is there to set the example for adults too.

When you are an eyewitness to corruption and report it anonymously, the example you set is one of fear.

Fear is useless; what is needed is love.

Our corrupt leaders are fear-mongerers. Their ideology is Godless. These two facts are dead and useless too unless the connection between them is made. And it is this: if you recognize that God exists and is Love Itself, then you appreciate that he has your back and go ahead, identify yourself, and blow the whistle on the corruption, trusting the outcome to Him.

Moneycircus
Moneycircus
Jul 14, 2020 5:16 PM
Reply to  Felix Culpa

NHS employees have immense power to do blow this thing open.
 
Power in turn relies on strength and speed. Think where strength comes from. Where love and true support comes from. It is does not come from the State.
 
Speed in this case is timing and the seizing the moment of greatest leverage in order to have the biggest impact. NHS workers should not let this opportunity slip their grasp.

Watt
Watt
Jul 14, 2020 8:32 PM
Reply to  Moneycircus

‘NHS workers should not let this opportunity slip their grasp.’
 
Nor should we!

wardropper
wardropper
Jul 14, 2020 9:41 PM
Reply to  Moneycircus

They do indeed have immense power, but it is so fashionable today to be without any kind of religious belief, and that is why Felix’s wise comment falls upon so many deaf ears.

nick
nick
Jul 16, 2020 9:31 PM
Reply to  Felix Culpa

Nope, our leaders may often be corrupt and largely godless but that’s small beer compared to their scientific illiteracy, a problem that we must also overcome if better judgement and rational policy are the objectives. Treating science as the Oracle of Delphi or forgetting that science is ‘belief in the ignorance of experts’ (Richard Feynman) is what lets fear rule, as I explain here:
 
https://medium.com/@nickhunt_41682/how-not-to-become-a-climate-crisis-fear-monger-e6cf65168c21
 

Jill
Jill
Jul 14, 2020 3:53 PM

French man had Covid-19 before the Chinese.
 
Amirouche Hammar, a resident of Bobigny, Paris, fell sick with an influenza-like illness. On 27 December 2019, after 4 days of dry cough, fever, fatigue, and breathing difficulties, he drove himself to the emergency ward of the local hospital, where he was administered antibiotics, and recovered sufficiently to be able to leave on December 29. Like all respiratory samples, that of Hammar was frozen, and stored, for possible future analysis. Between 6-9 April 2020 fourteen of these stored samples were tested for Covid-19. The sample of Hammar, taken on 27 December 2019, tested positive for Covid-19. This means that he caught the disease sometime around 12 December 2019, right up there with the very first Chinese cases in Wuhan.
 
The case of Hammar remains a mystery to the scientific community. However, it really should not be a mystery, as there is a Euro-American strain of Covid-19 that predated the Wuhan strain (see more below) and Hammar simply had the Euro-American strain.
 
From: preearth.net/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=1184

nick
nick
Jul 16, 2020 9:38 PM
Reply to  Jill
Jill
Jill
Jul 14, 2020 3:53 PM

 
French man had Covid-19 before the Chinese.
 
Amirouche Hammar, a resident of Bobigny, Paris, fell sick with an influenza-like illness. On 27 December 2019, after 4 days of dry cough, fever, fatigue, and breathing difficulties, he drove himself to the emergency ward of the local hospital, where he was administered antibiotics, and recovered sufficiently to be able to leave on December 29. Like all respiratory samples, that of Hammar was frozen, and stored, for possible future analysis. Between 6-9 April 2020 fourteen of these stored samples were tested for Covid-19. The sample of Hammar, taken on 27 December 2019, tested positive for Covid-19. This means that he caught the disease sometime around 12 December 2019, right up there with the very first Chinese cases in Wuhan. The case of Hammar remains a mystery to the scientific community. However, it really should not be a mystery, as there is a Euro-American strain of Covid-19 that predated the Wuhan strain (see more below) and Hammar simply had the Euro-American strain.
 
From: preearth.net/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=1184

Jill
Jill
Jul 14, 2020 3:49 PM

 
French man had Covid-19 before the Chinese.
 
Amirouche Hammar, a resident of Bobigny, Paris, fell sick with an influenza-like illness. On 27 December 2019, after 4 days of dry cough, fever, fatigue, and breathing difficulties, he drove himself to the emergency ward of the local hospital, where he was administered antibiotics, and recovered sufficiently to be able to leave on December 29. Like all respiratory samples, that of Hammar was frozen, and stored, for possible future analysis. Between 6-9 April 2020 fourteen of these stored samples were tested for Covid-19. The sample of Hammar, taken on 27 December 2019, tested positive for Covid-19. This means that he caught the disease sometime around 12 December 2019, right up there with the very first Chinese cases in Wuhan. The case of Hammar remains a mystery to the scientific community. However, it really should not be a mystery, as there is a Euro-American strain of Covid-19 that predated the Wuhan strain (see more below) and Hammar simply had the Euro-American strain. From:
 
http://www.preearth.net/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=1184

tonyopmoc
tonyopmoc
Jul 14, 2020 4:48 PM
Reply to  Jill

All the evidence strongly suggests, that there is no reliable test for Covid-19. In fact there is no proof that what is called Covid-19 is any different or any more serious than any other normal flu. The only difference is the brainwashing and the propaganda, which quite clearly serves a different agenda, which has absolutely nothing to do with improving health or saving lives, but seems to be designed to do the exact opposite.
 
Tony

breweriana
breweriana
Jul 14, 2020 5:00 PM
Reply to  tonyopmoc

Absolutely spot on the money.
 
Dr. Kary Mullis was an American biochemist who won the Nobel prize for his work in that field. He invented the polymerase chain reaction (PCR) technique that the authorities are using to justify this multi-billion pound vaccine plan. He died on the 7th August 2019.
More here:
https://uncoverdc.com/2020/04/07/was-the-covid-19-test-meant-to-detect-a-virus/
 
However, its inventor says clearly, it CANNOT be used to ‘diagnose’ a viral infection. That was not what he invented PCR for.
Depending on the number of cycles used in the process, they can multiply the result; if they use 30 cycles, say, they have a negative, but up it to 42 and it becomes positive. In other words as a test, it is completely meaningless.

nick
nick
Jul 16, 2020 9:52 PM
Reply to  breweriana

you say ‘the authorities’ but don’t mention how they have been manipulated by the vested interests of big pharma and the ideological interests of ‘science experts’.

nick
nick
Jul 16, 2020 9:42 PM
Reply to  tonyopmoc

I agree with much of what you say, except that there’s plenty of evidence that covid-19 is not normal. This Nature paper by the Wuhan team reports the discovery, collection, storage and study of coronaviruses in 2012-3. The researchers only sought novel viruses that would transmit directly to humans, and they report their success with pride. This paper is just one of many by that team, who also received US funding and support from one Dr Fauci. (The question of whether today’s covid-19 was also engineered from these samples, to increase its potential as a bioweapon, remains open).
 
“Isolation and characterization of a bat SARS-like coronavirus that uses the ACE2 receptor”
 
https://www.nature.com/articles/nature12711
 
Also most revealing:
 
https://www.nature.com/news/inside-the-chinese-lab-poised-to-study-world-s-most-dangerous-pathogens-1.21487
 
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-chinas-bat-woman-hunted-down-viruses-from-sars-to-the-new-coronavirus1/ 
 
 
 
 
 

richard
richard
Jul 14, 2020 8:14 PM
Reply to  Jill

tested for covid 19… what test was that then?

Yan
Yan
Jul 14, 2020 3:46 PM

Why does covid testing look like DNA collection ? Perhaps because it is.

John Ervin
John Ervin
Jul 14, 2020 4:19 PM
Reply to  Yan

Among other things.