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America’s Frontline Doctors’ website removed after viral video censored Medical organisation has website shut down and video deleted from youtube after endorsing unapproved treatment of Covid19

John C. A. Manley

As Global Research reported, America’s Frontline Doctors held a press conference on Capitol Hill on Monday. Over 17 million people watched the video (above) before YouTube, Twitter and Facebook gave it the “misinformation” stamp of disapproval and deleted it.

Yet another censored video exposing the COVID charade. No big surprise… But then I tried to visit the organization’s website and was met with the following message: “Website expired.”

Their site is (was) hosted by SquareSpace. I have not yet found any explanation for the take-down. The hosting companies Acceptable Use Policy seems pretty reasonable. Nonetheless, point 3.1 is wide open for any sort of censorship, forbidding:

anything that’s false, fraudulent, inaccurate or deceiving.”

Public health authorities would likely deem the main message of America’s Frontline Doctors as “false.” In their press conference they state that hydroxychloroquine (when combined with zinc) is a safe and effective drug in the prevention and treatment of COVID-19. This anti-malaria drug has been used for decades to treat auto-immune conditions.

Personally, I haven’t had much interest in the drug. It lends to the halo that COVID-19 has been an exceptionally deadly virus (rather than no worse than a bad flu season). I also think that lifestyle choices offer more protection – such as getting sufficient sleep (e.g. don’t drink coffee), proper diet, fresh air, exercise and intermittent fasting.

That said, this drug may offer the extra boost elderly and immune-compromised people need in surviving any respiratory illness. Also, most people don’t live a healthy lifestyle and would rather rely on a drug to keep them well. And I’d much rather see people having the option to voluntary take a moderate dose of hydroxychloroquine every few days; rather than all of us being forced to take a rushed and improperly tested COVID-19 vaccine every few months.

“I have personally treated over 350 patients with COVID-19 from all ages and with all kinds of pre-existing medical conditions,” Dr. Stella Immanuel said at the conference. “I have put them on hydroxychloroquine, zinc and Zithromax and they are all well. I and many other doctors have taken hydroxychloroquine as a preventative measure and none of us has gotten sick. It works! One pill of hydroxychloroquine every other week would be sufficient as a preventative measure against COVID. No lockdowns, social distancing or masks are needed.”

“There is plenty of published data which shows that hydroxychloroquine could have saved 70,000 to 100,000 lives,” said Dr. Simone Gold. “The mainstream media has not mentioned even one of these studies.”

“Hydroxychloroquine is a very safe and effective drug when taken at the right dosages,” said Dr Richard Urso. “The test trials that reported harmful reactions were done at extremely high doses which is why they didn’t work or even caused the symptoms to worsen.”

Dr. James Todaro agreed:

“If it seems like there is an orchestrated attack against hdroxychloroquine it’s because there is. A 65-year-old medication that has been on the WHO’s safe essential list for years […] A Google document that I co-authored on the safety and effectiveness of hdroxychloroquine has been taken down by Google. A lot of misinformation out there that has reached the highest orders of medicine.”

According to various sources the drug is available over-the-counter in Iran and South America. While in New York state, considered the epicentre of COVID deaths in the USA, the governor is reported to have placed an “executive order prohibiting pharmacists from dispensing the antimalarial drug hydroxychloroquine outside a hospital or inpatient setting to treat the novel coronavirus.”

So while I’d personally not recommend, nor discourage, the use of hydroxychloroquine, I’m all for doctors and patients having the freedom to use this drug if they see fit.

If it is as effective as America’s Frontline Doctors claim, I assume its presence would certainly help dissipate the hysteria used to justify mandatory COVID-19 vaccinations.

And, while it may seem a step backwards that their website was taken down, the opposite may be true. As Fast Company says:

…such moves could backfire by feeding into a common narrative among conspiracy theorists that they are being silenced.”

John C. A. Manley has spent over a decade ghostwriting for medical doctors, as well as naturopaths, chiropractors and Ayurvedic physicians. He publishes the COVID-19(84) Red Pill Daily Briefs – an email-based newsletter dedicated to preventing the governments of the world from using an exaggerated pandemic as an excuse to violate our freedom, health, privacy, livelihood and humanity. He is also writing a novella, COVID-27: A Dystopian Love Story. Visit his website at: MuchAdoAboutCorona.ca

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argentine
argentine
Aug 14, 2020 12:07 AM

Manley is a Jew, kill him

Donna
Donna
Aug 13, 2020 3:53 PM

Controlled opposition by Koch. Look at dono6list, oh Warren Galkin from RI, well well he’s a RI special donor to controlled opposition here in RI! The ALEC fundraiser! You can’t catch a virus and not one of these brainwashed doctors who attended the petro chemical funded universities were taught them anything but how to write a prescription!

Rhombong
Rhombong
Aug 8, 2020 12:38 PM

I believe the correct term is “conspiracy realist” the antonym of this being “coincidence theorist”.

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Aug 6, 2020 2:19 AM
Reply to  Jill

Haven’t even looked Jill but I know it’s propaganda. There is no special virus and HCQ is just a red herring. It’s distraction. One form of propaganda is pretending to suppress something so it appears as though what’s suppressed is the truth.

Two other examples:

— Reuters kicked up a fuss when the US military failed to release the Collateral Murder video allegedly showing two Reuters reporters being killed by US soldiers in Apache helicopters. But the video is obviously faked. The failure to release and the fuss was all staged.

— The New York Times made a fuss that New York City refused to release the “oral histories” of first responders on 9/11. This was all about focusing on controlled demolition as if it was the main truth and including false testimony of rescues and so on when it was all part of the propaganda campaign to suppress the pivotal truth: staged death and injury. No doubt quite a few of the oral histories are genuine but there will be those thrown in containing some lies relating to rescues. Maybe there were genuine rescues, I probably need to go back and study the histories for signs of fakery (they generally give them away) but what the evidence clearly shows is that death and injury were staged and there is no reason to doubt that everyone was evacuated, on their own two legs or by rescue.

Please get the truth:

There is no special virus.
There is no evidence for a special virus and there is evidence against it.

When I first woke up to the truther-targeted propaganda campaign suppressing the pivotal truth of 9/11: staged death and injury, I had such a visceral sense of being a blind, dumb bull being yanked viciously this way and that by the nose ring. And then I laughed – how clever. That’s what they do to us, Jill. They lead us this way and that by the nose ring, distracting us in all kinds of ways from the truth which is generally far, far simpler than all the nonsense they bombard us with.

There is no virus, there is nada, niente, zilch, it’s the Emperor’s New Clothes par excellence.
On 9/11 buildings were damaged and destroyed, that’s it, no planes and no death or injury.

And there’s so many other events where the truth is much, much simpler than – or certainly completely different from – what they bombard us with.

Love Romert
Love Romert
Aug 7, 2020 3:32 PM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

Why would all those doctors with long careers lie about a drug whos patent has expired. No money in it. Yea the virus is a lie I’m aware of that. But the sickness is real, people are sick for whatever reason and this drug seem to help

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Aug 7, 2020 3:45 PM
Reply to  Love Romert

So we never heard of HCQ helping people with their normal sickness in the past but suddenly now that we have the fake COVID-19, HCQ works. I find that very unconvincing.

JudyJ
JudyJ
Aug 8, 2020 7:10 PM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

Hi Petra

So we never heard of HCQ helping people with their normal sickness in the past but suddenly now that we have the fake Covid-19, HCQ works.

As is common most years, there definitely has been something ‘going around’ for a few months but the evidence is that – whatever it is – it has little more impact than a bad flu, and not the worst of flus by all accounts. We can’t even be certain either that all the alleged Covid-19 patients are suffering from one and the same illness.

But with regard to HCQ on what do you base the argument that “we have never heard of HCQ helping people…in the past”? Maybe it has been used routinely in combination with zinc for early onset respiratory problems but there has not been a need to make a big thing of it so we wouldn’t be aware of such use.

On one of the presentations given by the ‘Frontline Doctors’ group, one of the founding doctors explains that, as with all medicines, doctors are permitted to use their professional judgement to prescribe HCQ for any condition as long as they stick to the licensed recommended dosage. This would therefore not rule out that it may well have been used in the past for respiratory problems, even before Covid-19 was ever heard of.

I attach just one study, from 2014, which indicated that chloroquine was a good zinc ionophore so if doctors regard zinc as beneficial to patients with immunity problems then it would be logical for them to have looked to chloroquine or a related product to act as the ionophore.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4182877/

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Aug 12, 2020 10:03 AM
Reply to  JudyJ

Sorry, Judy, didn’t see your comment before.

Perhaps HCQ does work, Judy, I honestly am not bothered to have a look but I can tell from the furore about it, it’s a beatup. It’s a deliberate distraction and one of the many ways they imply there’s a virus. It’s definitely being used as propaganda, no question about it. It’s all so stagey.

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Aug 12, 2020 10:04 AM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

Just to add: when I say HCQ may work – I mean on things other than the invented COVID, of course.

Tamsyn
Tamsyn
Aug 12, 2020 8:21 AM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

I agree this is propaganda. I live in Thailand, host to half of Wuhan Chinese tourists and no one has died from this fake WHO made up name COVID. I had been expecting people to be dropping dead in the streets but nothing, apart from a Hungarian tourist whose corpse had been deemed to have tested for it, just one of less than a hundred in the entire countty, they couldn’t fake the insanely high numbers as in the west as we don’t have a ‘flu season and people would have cottoned on too fast. This HCQ nonsense does indeed legitamise this codswallop.

Gwyn
Gwyn
Aug 5, 2020 5:35 PM

Here at the recently formed company, CFCS (Coronavirus Face Covering Solutions), we’ve come up with the excellent idea of wearing a colander over one’s face to protect against the virus. Our extensive testing has proved that these kitchen utensils are 100% as effective as face masks.

We will, of course, be offering a range of customised, personalised colanders, as our market research strongly indicates that twats everywhere find this to be somehow cutesy and funny.

Aldous Hexley
Aldous Hexley
Aug 5, 2020 5:12 PM

Reminder: below is a longer version (at nearly three hours) of the video linked above, posted earlier and now deep inside this thread:



Howard
Howard
Aug 5, 2020 4:30 PM

If everyone in Germany were lined up single file at the proper “social distance,” they would reach from the Mediterranean Sea to the Arctic Ocean. Maybe that figures into their dissatisfaction with the COVID-19 lockdown regime.

Whereas Australians and especially Americans can perhaps afford a more cooperative approach to the madness. Where insane restrictions are applied, bigger really is better. Unless, of course, one objects to insanity ruling the day.

JohnEss
JohnEss
Aug 5, 2020 1:30 PM

Dear Admin.

I am used to my comments being water-shedded, awaiting approval. However, until today, I have not experienced one disappearing without trace

I posted a reply to another poster around 12 hours ago and as it contained two hyperlinks, expected it to be pulled aside. Which it was.

There is still no sign of it.

What is wrong with and what has become of it, please?

Thank you.

JS

NicS
NicS
Aug 5, 2020 11:29 AM

Here’s some very revealing news on why HCQ has been demonised and denied to millions:

https://thenationalpulse.com/news/leaked-hydroxychloroquine-memo/

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Aug 5, 2020 2:56 PM
Reply to  NicS

HCQ is propaganda. It has at least two purposes:
— distraction
— implying the existence of a special virus

There is no need to worry if the virus was manufactured in a Wuhan lab or not.
There is no need to worry if HCQ works or not.
There is no need to worry if masks work or not.
There is no need to worry if social-distancing is required.
There is no need to worry if a vaccination will protect you.
There is no need to worry if hand sanitising works or not.
There is no need to worry about lockdown in general.

There is no need to worry about any of these things because – wait for it –

There is no virus.

It’s so simple.

There is no evidence of a special virus and there is ample evidence against it.

Of course, there is a need to worry about what all these draconian measures will result in. Yes, there’s a need to worry about them, but not HCQ, that’s propaganda.

Shawn Pitcher
Shawn Pitcher
Aug 5, 2020 3:36 PM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

BUT….if one is a physician who cares for a patient who exhibits illness, there is a need to treat the dysbiosis in the most effective, safest way. Maybe it’s not a “virus” but we do know that, in America at least, 40% of us are deficient in zinc, 98% a deficient in fiber, etc… so the hcq-zinc-abx combo does present itself as a safe, effective treatment to deliver zinc into cells lacking sufficient levels. To say there is no virus has become, in and off itself, a cause of inflammation for many people. I understand what you mean, but I wish to keep the focus on what I see as the real issue, get politics out of health care, let providers treat as they see fit, no medical boards/government required.

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Aug 5, 2020 3:52 PM
Reply to  Shawn Pitcher

To say there is no virus has become, in and off itself, a cause of inflammation for many people … the real issue

Shawn, when a psyop is being perpetrated upon us the real issue is what are they trying to make us believe and what is the truth. When we blow away all the magic propaganda dust what lies beneath?

What they try to make us believe is:
— For those who swallow their stories holus bolus – pandemic
— For those who don’t swallow their stories holus bolus – virus but not pandemic

But it’s neither of those.

It’s there is no special virus.

When we determine the truth then we can focus on healthcare and politics. When it comes to a psyop we need to know the truth first.

Mytea
Mytea
Aug 5, 2020 9:07 PM
Reply to  Shawn Pitcher

Dr Morse says first you have to address digestion, absorption, utilization and elimination before claiming deficiencies. So the allopaths want to serve up chicken nuggets in the canteen and make it everyone elses problem? America should pay 100 million $ compensation to each person they have attacked with this covid bs lockdowns. If the allopaths can’t pay they should spend eternity in hell roasting on a spit.

[youtube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bSj1F8RSOUI%5D

David Meredith
David Meredith
Aug 5, 2020 6:00 PM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

You know something.., I believe you are right!

One interesting thing is the mainstream media could easily show the same amount of illness in hospitals with flu and other respiratory diseases in any year and make any year look just like a pandemic is active.

JudyJ
JudyJ
Aug 5, 2020 6:53 PM
Reply to  David Meredith

David

…and that is precisely what they intend to do.

David Meredith
David Meredith
Aug 5, 2020 7:26 PM
Reply to  JudyJ

I agree!

Shawn Pitcher
Shawn Pitcher
Aug 5, 2020 9:28 PM
Reply to  David Meredith

Or heart disease and diabetes and then shut down the animal factories

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Aug 6, 2020 4:45 AM
Reply to  David Meredith

But, in fact, David they don’t quite do that. They always push the truth out underneath their propaganda. We have to give them that – they do tell us they’re hoaxing us in their own special way. Being familiar with extremely unconvincing stories about injured in other psyops I predicted, accurately, that they would present media stories about patients that don’t add up in any shape or form.

Here’s a very good example.

— 39-year-old London patient, Tara Jane Langston, in ICU.

1. Completely against protocol that a COVID-19 would be in ICU coughing all over the place infecting other ICU patients.

2. If she’s ill enough to be in ICU it seems very odd that she’d be well enough for an interview not to mention the fact that surely interviewing in ICU would also be completely against protocol.

3. Notice how when she coughs her head goes out of view (when she coughs away the cough sounds real but there’s nothing to say it’s not inserted audio). She shows us her wrist with what looks like taping of tubes and says, “They’ve had to sew that into my artery.” Her laboured breathing is not particularly convincing.

4. In this article about Tara in the Guardian, Woman who filmed coronavirus warning receives online abuse, we are told:
“And then the trauma was compounded by online trolls who flooded the family’s inbox with messages accusing them of a hoax.”

How and why would online trolls be flooding the “family’s” inbox with messages accusing them of a hoax?

There are many instances of “hoax” being mentioned in the media one way or another – a typical feature of psyops. Trump told us too:

“One of my people came up to me and said, “Mr. President, they tried to beat you on Russia, Russia, Russia.” That didn’t work out too well. They couldn’t do it. They tried the impeachment hoax. That was on a perfect conversation. They tried anything. They tried it over and over. They’d been doing it since you got in. It’s all turning. They lost. It’s all turning. Think of it. Think of it. And this is their new hoax.”

scowie
scowie
Aug 6, 2020 5:44 PM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

You are right that viruses don’t exist. Hydroxychloroquine isn’t a treatment for any “virus”, but it is a viable treatment for the blood condition known as “happy hypoxia” which is caused by millimetre microwave radiation. This is where a person has been targeted with the 5G beam weapons which have induced a toxic state in the blood which leaves them with a lack of functioning red blood cells (erythrocytes): https://drive.google.com/open?id=1mX1fSrTzvWIxJBOC0Q8POLD0XhBQSpDv

When oxygen is not fully taken up by red blood cells, it remains dissolved in blood plasma where an oximeter can’t detect it. The false oximeter readings confuse many doctors, hence the term “happy hypoxia” which is a misnomer as these patients are not really hypoxic at all. Oxygen in blood plasma will cause oxidative stress throughout the body over time though and the government-mandated treatment or intubation/ventilator-use just exacerbates this and has proven to be a death sentence for almost all such patients.

Hydroxychloroquine or other anti-oxidant’s like methylene blue, or high-dose vitamin C (as the above paper shows, ascorbic acid levels are also reduced), can return the blood to a healthy state and return the red blood cell count to normal — as the paper also shows, red blood cells are actually sequestered in bone marrow during this toxic state and will be put back into circulation once the toxic state is corrected.

Toxins are essentially the cause of all disease. The Germ Theory of disease is the biggest fraud ever to be committed against the public.

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Aug 7, 2020 2:12 AM
Reply to  scowie

What you say is interesting, however, I’d like to clarify that I don’t say viruses don’t exist. What I mean by “no virus” is that there is no special virus causing the alleged COVID-19. People are just getting sick and dying as they always have.

I have too little understanding of germ theory and viruses to come out and say viruses do not exist and certainly in the case of this alleged pandemic I always think it best to stick to the important basics as much as possible to stop distracting argument. The perps make massive efforts to introduce distracting argument so we should do our best to avoid it. We know there is no special virus – that is sufficient.

It’s like all the nonsense about what exactly brought the towers down. It doesn’t matter, it was obviously controlled demolition. Similarly, I find it fascinating the way the Israel propaganda has really taken a hold. Even when I believed in the van containing the Dancing Israelis stopped at a roadblock found to contain explosives powder – hilarious! – and believed that Israelis may well have brought the buildings down because they were outsiders hired to do the dastardly deed of killing all those poor people in the buildings, I never thought of them as responsible for 9/11. It’s absurd. What, they came in under the noses of the US government and brought down the buildings. Absurd. Obviously the US government (and its minders) is the primary orchestrator in the first instance. It’s amazing how people’s prejudices sway their minds – which is, of course, what the perps heavily rely on. When you know that 9/11 was effectively, a massive Full-Scale Exercise comprising numerous smaller exercises and drills where the only major reality was destruction of buildings it’s easy to understand that many nations in the world were in on 9/11, including my own, Australia. The big boys gave Little Johnny Howard front row seats in Washington for the big, phoney event.

scowie
scowie
Aug 7, 2020 5:47 AM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

Sure, I’m certainly saying that though. 🙂 If you want to know what a farce virology is, I recommend reading ‘Fear of the Invisible’ by the investigative reporter Janine Roberts.

There has been a death surplus, beginning the last week in March, to roughly the end of May, at least here in the UK — as the stats show.

I’d say it’s mostly due to both the 5G/ventilator combo (as I said earlier), and the care home slaughter. Btw, here’s good exposé on the hospital slaughter: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UIDsKdeFOmQ

If you wanna stick to the basics I’d say this article does that: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/341832637_All-cause_mortality_during_COVID-19_No_plague_and_a_likely_signature_of_mass_homicide_by_government_response

Since you’ve mentioned 9/11, i’ll give my 2 cents: The fact that the towers turned completely to dust, including the steel supports, and that the plane’s wings appeared to cut through the steel supports like a knife-through-butter, makes me think an electrogravitics (aka directed energy/zero-point energy/antigravity) device was on board each plane. Just saying 😉 Definitely a US gov. op anyway.

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Aug 7, 2020 3:51 PM
Reply to  scowie

Thanks for the links, scowie. I’ll check them out.

The towers didn’t turn to dust, that’s propaganda. The towers were packed with dust which had some magical properties:

  • to make the collapses more spectacular
  • to make controlled demolition less obvious
  • to make WTC look like a warzone, enhancing the sense of enormity and terror of the event
  • to provide distraction in the form of Judy Woods’, “Where did the towers go?”, nonsense
  • to allow crisis actors to be “interviewed” on a day other than 9/11 all covered in dust so that they more convincingly match up with the WTC-covered-in-dust scene.
  • to provide distraction and to entrench the sense of evilness of the perpetrators making real death and injury more plausible in the alleged deaths of first responders and others due to illness caused by the toxic dust.

https://occamsrazorterrorevents.weebly.com/twin-towers-the-magic-dust.html

The plane didn’t cut through the building. The planes were faked.
https://occamsrazorterrorevents.weebly.com/four-faked-plane-crashes.html

It was a psyop all right but the pivotal truth was staged death and injury … which only makes sense if it’s a psyop, right? They didn’t want to kill anyone so you absolutely wouldn’t kill them in a psyop if you didn’t want to but try telling a completely indoctrinated truther that those poor people in the buildings didn’t die.
https://occamsrazorterrorevents.weebly.com/3000-dead-and-6000-injured-a-lie.html

Zen Priest
Zen Priest
Aug 7, 2020 8:55 PM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

Was just starting to think you’re awake then you said Israel being behind 911 is absurd.
You know nothing about world events. Suggest you go learn some history.

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Aug 8, 2020 3:28 AM
Reply to  Zen Priest

What I say is that Israel isn’t responsible for 9/11 (although, of course, it was involved). If you believe that Israel is responsible for 9/11 all I can say is, “I rest my case”.

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Aug 8, 2020 7:45 AM
Reply to  Zen Priest

You’re right though, Zen Priest. I do know nothing about world events and history apart from psyops … but those I think I understand better than most. Not that I think that means I’m particularly clever, what I really don’t understand is why others don’t once they’ve been handed the analytic tools as I was and which I’m forever bleating over and over again. It’s just a question of looking for the hallmarks which jump out like dog’s balls to put it crudely and their propaganda techniques. It’s always the same MO. I sometimes wonder, don’t they get bored of the same MO?

When you appreciate the psyop hallmarks and the propaganda strategy used for 9/11 (one major stream directed at the masses, one major stream directed at the skeptics, all to push the lie of death and injury) you’re pretty much set. You just match against the checklist.

Any event breathlessly reported 24/7 around the world is more than likely a psyop. If it involves claims of death and injury the very first thing on the agenda is check for fake injury. If injury is unconvincing you know immediately, psyop. COVID doesn’t involve injury, it’s patients … but they’re parallel to injured, right? And they are unconvincing just like the injured are unconvincing for this Beirut bombing … which was obviously in an evacuated area … just like 9/11, Pearl Harbour, 1980 Bologna station, 2017 Mogadishu and so many others.


Zen Priest
Zen Priest
Aug 8, 2020 10:28 AM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

You do have a lot of knowledge, but that alone is insufficient without the vital piece of the puzzle.
The world is a stage, we are all actors. who is directing?
If you can only answer with the elites, globalists etc, you are still missing the piece of the puzzle.
Your curiosity and suspicion should be sparked by the one group that has only ever grown in power (the engineered events being one of the main means of this).

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Aug 8, 2020 12:43 PM
Reply to  Zen Priest

I definitely only have one part of the puzzle, that’s true, but isn’t that enough? Just trying to get that one part out is difficult enough besides that’s the only part I’m good at. Once you get beyond psyops my brain doesn’t work so well. I’m not really a political animal, I’m just drawn to psyops because they’re so brazen and have a very clear MO.

Andy B
Andy B
Aug 5, 2020 10:46 AM

I notice Google search (at least in England) have gone full-agenda again today: ‘Wear A Mask. Save Lives. Help Stop Coronavirus’. Humph. Since when did the sheeple need reminding?

JudyJ
JudyJ
Aug 5, 2020 11:53 AM
Reply to  Andy B

Another example of the psychological warfare being played out – we are now being told that there are laws allowing property to be destroyed if it’s believed to be contaminated with SARS CoV2. This could mean houses being demolished, vehicles destroyed etc. I see this as being an attempt to warn people not to defy the ‘rules’… or else this is what might (will?) happen to you.

Emotional blackmail.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8593993/Councils-BULLDOZE-contaminated-homes-resort-stop-second-wave-coronavirus.html

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Aug 5, 2020 2:57 PM
Reply to  JudyJ

OMFG!

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Aug 5, 2020 2:58 PM
Reply to  JudyJ

I’d say it’s just nonsense intimidation … though who the hell knows.

David Meredith
David Meredith
Aug 5, 2020 6:17 PM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

It’s a World Order Reset Attempt.

The Problem Reaction Solution method of the corporate elite including WHO, UN, GAVI, BMGF, Rockefeller.

The aim is to reduce populations, eliminate small businesses so that maybe five giant corporations take over all production and control everything.
Then they want everyone on the planet vaccinated, electronically tagged and tracked in herds of human animals. Read the Georgia Guidestone Principles.

Problem = Hoax Virus Pandemic
Reaction = Fear, Panic of the mass sheeple populations
Solution = Restructuring of world social and economic order for power, control and monopolization by corporate elite.

John Ervin
John Ervin
Aug 5, 2020 2:56 PM
Reply to  Andy B

“The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary.”

~ H. L. Mencken

Therein, gentle readers, may you find the most direct access to an understanding of the modus operandi that ails us.

Globally, a collective diagnosis, unmasked. Frontline.

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Aug 5, 2020 3:07 PM
Reply to  John Ervin

Yes, most pertinent quote, John.

John Ervin
John Ervin
Aug 5, 2020 3:21 PM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

Then, Petra, for the sake of a balance by way of variety, here’s one that is rendered impertinently pertinent (2 quotes for 1):

“The newspaper is a device to make the ignorant more ignorant and the crazy crazier.”

~ Also Mencken

That said, in his heyday of a hundred years gone by. If he had lived another equal span yet again, he would be alive to see now how that best described the distinctly American newspaper…and any of those elsewhere that fell under its profitable spell. (Or, the acquisitive habits of a mogul which had been given honorary Yankee citizenship purely for the purposes of publishing piracy.)

I know this to be true as a sometime Parisian who could read well enough to know, that (some of ) the French will sometimes still report without feeling inclined to mass hypnotize. And all because they refused every blandishment to “adopt” Rupert Murdoch 20 years ago.

David Meredith
David Meredith
Aug 5, 2020 7:29 PM
Reply to  John Ervin

Thank you John, this really sums up the whole issue in the highly accurate quote from H.L. Mencken.

David Meredith
David Meredith
Aug 5, 2020 7:43 PM
Reply to  John Ervin

Another one of his quotes is:

“The urge to save humanity is almost always only a false-face for the urge to rule it.”

~ H. L. Mencken

David Meredith
David Meredith
Aug 5, 2020 10:11 PM
Reply to  Andy B

well we know that the face nappy wearing scared sheople are quite stupid so need the nanny state to keep reminding those non-compliant people who know that the chances of dying from covid-19 are similar to getting struck twice by lightning while buying a winning lottery ticket.

Paul_too
Paul_too
Aug 7, 2020 1:35 PM
Reply to  Andy B

The choices are admittedly thin on the ground, but it’s way past time to stop using Google, they are insidious enough without helping them make more money.

bob
bob
Aug 5, 2020 10:26 AM

I’m posting this here as there appears nowhere else to do so (again)



“You are not only violating your own “Code of Ethics” policies by discriminating against mask-free shoppers, but you are also violating Federal Civil Rights Law, State Civl Rights Laws.”

Typically, british law is not so clear or accessible especially in relation to GP surgeries and hospitals (public or private)

Andy B
Andy B
Aug 5, 2020 10:51 AM
Reply to  bob

It’s confusing because there are several law systems in the UK – including English and Scottish – and they apply to those countries. Wales was a principality of England before the Act of Union, so English law applied, but, since gaining its own parliament, is now diverging. Northern Ireland is different again. The most confusing when it comes to masks is likely to be the English one – Matt Hancock has his finger in that pie – for all his cries of being ‘UK Health Secretary’ he has scant/no power in the nations outside of England.

bob
bob
Aug 5, 2020 11:11 AM
Reply to  Andy B

hi Andy
I believe I am being discriminated against by having to adhere to hospital policies that include wearing a mask, having my temperature taken and even having a covid19 test before I can access treatment – I do not comply with these policies and am struggling to find their basis in law – as a disabled person it seems I do not have fair and equal access to health care in the uk anymore.

why is this post awaiting approval?

Andy B
Andy B
Aug 5, 2020 12:18 PM
Reply to  bob

You could always try Matt Hancock if not. But don’t expect a quick – or if any reply. If you do write to him, don’t do it via his constituency – unless you are in it. He’s apparently not allowed to reply. Go through the Department of Health and Social Care at the ‘UK’ Parliament – link follows:
https://www.gov.uk/government/organisations/department-of-health-and-social-care
NHS England is here: https://www.england.nhs.uk/about/
Wales is here: https://111.wales.nhs.uk/
And Scotland here: https://www.scot.nhs.uk/
As for the mask, people are exempted from wearing them if they cause discomfort or distress as far as I know. Good luck.

David Meredith
David Meredith
Aug 5, 2020 8:03 PM
Reply to  Andy B

He is not allowed to reply to those he is supposed to be serving. Interesting “democracy” we live in – more like a creeping censored dictatorship.

Emily Ellen
Emily Ellen
Aug 5, 2020 10:06 AM

New up on ZH
Veteran Virologist Slams Mainstream Media’s “Misinformation” About An Effective COVID Treatmenthttps://www.zerohedge.com/political/veteran-virologist-slams-mainstream-medias-misinformation-about-effective-covid-treatment
Not least figures from Switzerland appear to tell it all.

John Goss
John Goss
Aug 5, 2020 9:59 AM

I’ve now sent three articles to OffGuardian without an acknowledgement. Any others experiencing this problem.

Also the emails at my end are disappearing.

DunGroanin
DunGroanin
Aug 5, 2020 11:27 AM
Reply to  John Goss

John when will you realise?

I have been making myself plainer over the months.

Just try and re-read my comments over the last weeks.

The comment system has been deliberately broken to stop the notification emails that allowed ‘conversations’.

The formatting has been removed.

Hell the system even stopped me posting from an Iphone5!

Random, supposedly, errors stop comments publishing.

No ‘editorial’ accountability is forthcoming.

All because the lady loves… BrexShit and runs the DS agit prop game on the dumb suckers 🤪🤪🤪

John Goss
John Goss
Aug 5, 2020 4:26 PM
Reply to  DunGroanin

My comments are getting through DunGroanin. One article I sent for consideration recently was replied to. But the last three have elicited no response. I am pretty sure it must be the spooks – but difficult to prove. I’ll have to blog my latest because it is timely. Unfortunately then the readership is less.

George Mc
George Mc
Aug 5, 2020 1:48 PM
Reply to  John Goss

I haven’t noticed any problem. My comments still get through and I still get notifications about reponses.

John Goss
John Goss
Aug 5, 2020 4:27 PM
Reply to  George Mc

I do too GeorgeMc. It’s just my articles that seem to go astray.

DunGroanin
DunGroanin
Aug 6, 2020 10:57 AM
Reply to  John Goss

Why don’t I?

And why won’t they answer direct questions?

What happened to the other ‘original editor’?

What are their connections to the RCP and Spiked?

What are the journalistic credentials and membership of which unions/associations?

Throw me a bona fide!

🐶

DunGroanin
DunGroanin
Aug 6, 2020 10:53 AM
Reply to  George Mc

I don’t- and haven’t for months now – explain that?

It’s subtle censorship.

John Goss
John Goss
Aug 9, 2020 2:30 PM
Reply to  DunGroanin

DunGroanin, I don’t know why. What I do know is of we do not get back to the real normal soon we never will. Please share this link. Thanks.

https://johnplatinumgoss.com/2020/08/07/alexandr-lukashenko-a-president-with-scruples-and-sundays-election/

Andy B
Andy B
Aug 5, 2020 8:10 AM

Katie Hopkins on the Melbourne lockdown:

DunGroanin
DunGroanin
Aug 5, 2020 11:28 AM
Reply to  Andy B

Tw*t.
Double For posting her.

David Meredith
David Meredith
Aug 5, 2020 8:09 PM
Reply to  DunGroanin

Why do you not like truth?

DunGroanin
DunGroanin
Aug 6, 2020 10:58 AM
Reply to  David Meredith

I don’t like demented, xenophobic, sickos like her – hell she was even fitted by the Daily Fail as well Alan Sugar!

David Meredith
David Meredith
Aug 6, 2020 7:03 PM
Reply to  DunGroanin

She’s speaking quite a lot of sense on this video. Not sure what she’s done in the past but she’s certainly not demented.

Gezzah Potts
Gezzah Potts
Aug 5, 2020 1:46 PM
Reply to  Andy B

Thanks Andy… sheer unmitigated lunacy here in Melbourne, and the worst thing (if that is possible) is that the large majority are fully supporting this fascism.
Every day, they’re going out in their thousands to get tested for fecks sakes.
And what happens? Have a guess.
This 6 week Stage 4 lockdown will not be for 6 weeks. It will be longer. And tonight, most shops were closed. The State of Victoria is completely munted.

Andy B
Andy B
Aug 5, 2020 1:59 PM
Reply to  Gezzah Potts

I don’t know what’s happened to us, I don’t honestly. It’s worldwide. Hardly anybody looks at the facts, hardly anybody questions. All the best to you over there. I’m sure Boris Johnson and Matt Hancock will be watching with great interest – before launching the same thing on us.

Gezzah Potts
Gezzah Potts
Aug 5, 2020 2:30 PM
Reply to  Andy B

I put it down in large part to the 40 odd years of Neoliberalism and the cultivation of a rampant consumerism and individualism over the very idea of society, of community, of solidarity and of compassion for the less fortunate.
37 years of this cancer here in Australia. As fellow Melburnian, Shin said the other day: ‘most Aussies have sold their souls for the good life and only care about themselves’, and won’t rock the boat.
Even the Julian Assange protests I went to here in Melbourne late last year and at the start of this year, only about 200 or 250 tops showed up each time – in a city of 5 million! When I was handing out leaflets advertising those protests, the vast majority didn’t want to know at all. Didn’t want a bar of them.
There won’t be any large protests against these draconian measures because those that oppose the covid narrative have been thoroughly demonised and smeared by the MSM, and the large majority here couldn’t give a fuck anyway as long as they still have money to go shopping with.
That seems harsh, but it’s true.

Andy B
Andy B
Aug 5, 2020 2:53 PM
Reply to  Gezzah Potts

What I don’t understand is how people seem quite happy to let their livelihoods go to the wall. The thing that basically sustains them and gives them their precious luxuries. Here, we have furloughing, but I already know four people who have been made redundant. It has brought a couple of them out of their government/MSM-induced Covid-coma.

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Aug 6, 2020 7:05 AM
Reply to  Andy B

I know that’s what I can’t believe. Why aren’t people resisting more just because it affects them so much?? Cannot believe it.

David Meredith
David Meredith
Aug 5, 2020 10:23 PM
Reply to  Gezzah Potts

You have our support.

Andy B
Andy B
Aug 5, 2020 8:09 AM

OMG! Police State Melbourne!

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Aug 5, 2020 5:56 AM

OMG! Don’t people ever catch onto the staging. All the world’s a stage …

One purpose of all the propaganda, every single bit of it, regardless of whatever other purpose it may have is to imply there’s a virus when there is both ample evidence saying there is no virus and a lack of evidence saying there is.

This pandemic is clearly a Psychological Operation (psyop) and it’s all about the psy not reality. Reality is a massive impediment in a psyop … unless it’s wanted so on 9/11 buildings were damaged and destroyed. That was the only thing wanted, not planes flying around crashing into buildings (not possible anyway) and not 3,000 dead and 6,000 injured (definitely not desired when controlled demolition was so obvious – imagine all the loved ones rattling the gates). In the case of this pandemic it is quite hilarious – there is nada, niente, zilch. It is the Emperor’s New Clothes writ large. There is zero reality, none at all. Imagine trying to carry out a psyop using a real virus – it’s absurd beyond belief.

It matters not whether you’re paid to say it, if you believe or say there is a virus consider yourself controlled opposition cos that’s exactly what the perps want everyone who doesn’t accept pandemic to think.

What is fine for the perps is for people to believe anything that isn’t the truth. They know that unless you actually have the truth, you’re screwed. Of course, those of us who have the truth are also screwed because we’re in such a small minority. You’re screwed either way and they know how to make sure we’re all screwed because they know how to target each of our profiles with their propaganda.

Big fat lie: Pandemic
Big fat lie: Virus but not pandemic
Truth: No virus

It is so utterly, utterly simple.

Just found this golden nugget.

In my study of communist [read Western] societies, I came to the conclusion that the purpose of communist propaganda was not to persuade or convince, nor to inform, but to humiliate; and therefore, the less it corresponded to reality the better. When people are forced to remain silent when they are being told the most obvious lies, or even worse when they are forced to repeat the lies themselves, they lose once and for all their sense of probity. To assent to obvious lies is to co-operate with evil, and in some small way to become evil oneself. One’s standing to resist anything is thus eroded, and even destroyed. A society of emasculated liars is easy to control. I think if you examine political correctness, it has the same effect and is intended to.

Anthony Daniels, psychiatrist aka Theodore Dalrymple, alleged “British culture critic” but no doubt British intelligence

Underneath the propaganda the power elite always tell us the truth albeit often in a veiled way … which only serves to humiliate us more, of course.

What could be more humiliating than suffocating ourselves with masks, touching elbows to say hello, neurotically maintaining a “safe distance” and generally having our lives turned upside down by a bogeyman virus that is completely fabricated.

There is zero evidence of the alleged SARS-CoV-2 and a “special” coronavirus is ideal to stage this ludicrous pandemic.

Ergo
Ergo
Aug 5, 2020 7:59 AM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

The best response I’ve seen yet.
Thank you Petra.
My disgust has lifted a little.

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Aug 5, 2020 8:07 AM
Reply to  Ergo

Thank you, Ergo, for being one of the few who really gets it.

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Aug 5, 2020 8:28 AM
Reply to  Ergo

Ergo, you might be interested in my post, 9/11 and COVID-19: The Parallels. I can’t help feeling proud of the image I created for it.

Summary:
1. Trauma-based Mind Control Psychological Operations
2. Problem > Reaction > Solution
3. Exercises / drills
4. Other similar types of events – 9/11 – other bombings of evacuated areas, COVID-19 – other fake pandemics/epidemics
5. Presages
6. Very obvious scientific fraud
7. Two major propaganda streams (one directed at masses, one directed at skeptics)
8. Reality very, very different from propaganda
9. Mini-propaganda streams to divert and mislead
10. Controlled opposition used to undermine, eg, COVID – Judy Mikovits, 9/11 – Judy Wood
11. Nonsense miracle survivors
12. Unconvincing injured/patients
13. Underneath the propaganda they really push it in our faces

Ergo
Ergo
Aug 5, 2020 9:20 AM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

I’ve bookmarked your post and will revise the issues. The image is excellent and puts it all into context so will get down to it.
I was tempted to walk away from this site, but somewhere in the murk there is always a shred of truth that outs.
I am particularly interested in the psychological aspect of the current event…It wouldn’t matter what the event was as long as the desired humiliation was engendered.
I have only recently deconstructed 9/11 as I was introduced to the fact of it being a false flag event.
I went for years believing that planes flew into the twin towers and was moved to see the man falling.
How clever to stage the whole event for its desired effect on people and nation’s worldwide.
The C event is just as clever because of its simplicity, and the wearing of masks being a perfect ruse to separate individuals. Those same individuals become distrusting and distant as they are increasingly manipulated emotionally for their survival.
My own personal MO now is to remain alert and scrutinise for any signs of dissent. I feel that here in Australia the people of Melbourne (which is not far away from where I live) are in a state of shock and wouldn’t have a clue what was going on. Their energy will be spent quickly as they have been ambushed.
Thanks a lot indeed.

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Aug 5, 2020 2:16 PM
Reply to  Ergo

I’m in Sydney so let’s see if they’re going to pull on us what they’re doing in Melbourne. All I know is I will not wear a mask against COVID. I stay away from the news so not sure how bad it is.

Yes, the psychology is interesting. They’ve obviously pulled it before. The Spanish flu does look similar (great video with lots of remarkably similar-looking images) I have to say plus SARS 2003 (article, Cough and Awe) and a few others look like the same sort of trick.

I have a friend who has to sign every morning at work that she hasn’t been to Melbourne which is pretty funny although she doesn’t think so and the rules at her work are just getting worse and worse. Glad I’m not working at the moment, don’t think I’d cope.

John Ervin
John Ervin
Aug 5, 2020 6:25 PM
Reply to  Ergo

A disturbing chill is added to an already cold collusion, when you look at a news event handled in the digital age that is entirely manipulated à la Machiavelli to achieve “certain” objectives: a glaring examplre is the misreporting of Robin Williams’ death (or at minimum, disappearance from public view!) as a suicide.

Such a purely media event can be seen as a “test psyop” at least in the sense one feature is to see how well the questions about it can be suppressed.

Without digging up old links and files, it’s easy enough to prove that a) he (“apparently”) was cremated the following day (my father, founder of the oldest corporate law firm in Beverly Hills, ecjlaw.com, was dispatched and 24 hrs later -the minimum in California- cremated in a comparable staged suicide) and b) only TMZ reported it about Williams at the time.

More shockingly (1): the story was absent, but for that and a small site, for well over a year, then the annals were “retrofitted” with little stub stories from several major outlets, but not “pandemically” (it should have gone viral). None at the time though. Endless coffee table tribute books for bucks, but not that story?

More shockingly (2): no stories appeared asking the simple question ” could there have been foul play?”

Trust me I looked.

But, more shockingly yet: WORLDWIDE. I looked in Europe, etc., Lemonde.fr etc.

At least on all the “feeds” of info I had, LOL.

IN SHORT, THOSE QUESTIONS WERE BLACKED OUT GLOBALLY.

Pretty obviously. If I missed one or two, my point remains.

Williams was iconic in every country to different degrees.

Yet nobody is on record for posing the question (Randy Quaid did post a YouTube some while later suggesting Illuminati ritual sacrifice et al., but there should have been a profusion of tinfoil hats, at least — yet no).

I asked a coroner point-blank, and he said, “Suspected suicides are always considered as homicides until that is decisively eliminated.”

But no record of foul play being asked is found.

That marks it as a GLOBAL black op psyop. And one feature, by definition, is to test and measure its success that way, in the response of the public and its credulity.

Most people thst I asked I wad testing in my own way: their incredulity that he was murdered, probably, was matched exactly by their tendency to take almost all official media at face value.

And MSM and its keepers were testing the data that we gave about it.

Ergo, this global scam.

Sherlock Holmes gave us a famous and priceless metric as tool with all this: “When you have eliminated the impossible, all that remains, however improbable, must be the truth.”

He told Watson that, in “Silver Blaze”, where nothing really added up logically, until you added what most would deem very improbable. Or, they couldn’t see the missing dots.

Like in this case, it’s thought improbable that hoaxes could be coordinated so tightly and so massively, and with such deep global participation.

But that’s exactly what we have.

I’ll let those who can see them connect the many other tightly fitting dots: I am not that hungry, but I still “need” breakfast. An unhealthy habit that coming famines may solve.

Ergo
Ergo
Aug 6, 2020 12:15 AM
Reply to  John Ervin

I did wonder about Robyn William’s disappearance. I saw a couple of articles relating to his unemployment and rejection by the industry. The corporate media certainly knows how to manage the reactions and responses of populations, and for this current crisis we are indeed looking at global participation among the corporate elites.
Thanks for those quotes…Mencken most apt. Where is Sherlock when we need him!

John Ervin
John Ervin
Aug 6, 2020 6:51 AM
Reply to  John Ervin

This is an iconic Holmes citation, and shop-worn, but it gains ample lustre when you compare it to the “Curious Incident of The Media Watchdog in the Night” aka the “Curious (co)Incident of the Global Blackout on Robin Wiliams’ Case Omissions”.

______

“You consider that to be important?” he asked.

“Exceedingly so.”

“Is there any point to which you would wish to draw my attention?”

“To the curious incident of the dog in the night-time.”

“The dog did nothing in the night-time.”

“That was the curious incident,” remarked Sherlock Holmes.

____________

Here in all its deductive glory, the whole spiel:

http://www.gutenberg.org/files/834/834-h/834-h.htm

For context, the solution to the “crime” was shockingly simple, but beyond the ken of all but those not looking for an easy and routine (“phoned in”) answer, and which had captured the popular imagination as well as baffling all the British Press, over a century ago, at least in Conan Doyle’s suggestive and fictive riddle.

David Meredith
David Meredith
Aug 5, 2020 10:33 PM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

Think of the symmetry of events:

Anthony Fauci HIV, > 9/11 Bush Snr & Jnr > SARS-CoV2 Anthony Fauci

Hopefully this is a pyramid of events with the peak at 9/11 and now we are at the end of the decline of psyops.

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Aug 6, 2020 7:01 AM
Reply to  David Meredith

Very, very interesting.

Yeah, hopefully, David.

Mytea
Mytea
Aug 5, 2020 8:40 AM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

They do basically admit that there is no virus when they tell how all the people were already old and dieing of various “comorbidities”. The virus tho somehow was still responsible. they make it so to deny the virus is the most ridiculous sounding idea. The problem is they believe that there was a flu season every year caused by a virus and they believe there was a spanish flu pandemic caused by a virus. It is hard to fathom the scale of the deception involved, that they have been scamming all these ‘outbreaks’ and tricked so many doctors and scientists. There is however scientific proof that colds and flus are not contagious:

[youtube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtJh7y7V9MI%5D

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Aug 5, 2020 2:21 PM
Reply to  Mytea

They tell us all right, Mytea, underneath the propaganda. They really do tell us.

hope
hope
Aug 5, 2020 9:08 AM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

There may well be indeed a controlled opposition. This is more and more believable. More controlled than we may even gauge. Ever since the German and UK demos on Saturday, there is an attempt to create controlled demos through websites created to control the opposition in some countries (until now they knew some info would come out, so it was a matter of focusing on the superficial, or as you say on presuming the virus theory, while obscuring the real info). Evidently this is mainly possible in places where the populations dont speak much English and would not on the whole read English language sites (since there are sufficiently trustworthy sites in English).

As to the aim of controlled demos, who knows, to get the names of the dissenters, to use these demos to create violence and then establish marshall law of some sort?

So I would urge people to be careful before engaging in anything, that they find out before where it is all organised from. I would urge anyone who reads websites operated anonymously to ask to know who is operating them (you wont get an answer, or rather from one false name, they’ll give you another false name, but it will be done in a believable way, so I would urge them to google those names, and if no info comes up to be on their guard.
Know also that such sites are operated by people highly savvy in computer security, and
may get IP addresses of the computers from which their readers log on from — apparently thats possible, I know little about computers).

At this point, just trust those you know you can trust. Its reaching increasingly unprecedented sinister levels.

breweriana
breweriana
Aug 5, 2020 9:44 AM
Reply to  hope

may get IP addresses of the computers from which their readers log on from”
That happens automatically, in the same way that ‘1471’ logs ‘phone numbers.

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Aug 5, 2020 2:17 PM
Reply to  hope

There may well be indeed a controlled opposition. This is more and more believable. More controlled than we may even gauge.

You better believe it. Controlled opposition is a like a mutant octopus. It’s always a huge part of the plan and ready and waiting to get its tentacles all around genuine opposition in a stranglehold.

They tell us Lenin said, “The best way to control the opposition is to lead it ourselves”, but, of course, controlled opposition has been a tool used for millennia and the power elite are utterly shameless in how they talk the talk – boy do they play the wolf in sheep’s clothing to perfection. You wonder how they don’t suffer serious cognitive dissonance but then they are probably perfectly able to indoctrinate themselves with their own propaganda to justify what they do to us.

hope
hope
Aug 5, 2020 3:05 PM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

Yes indeed its always been there. One feels one is sufficiently politically educated to spot it, except that now they use psychological tools to make you believe someone is the opposition, when they’re not. I mean that someone is so psychologically trained that it takes a while to understand what they are about. They know exactly what to do to actually undermine those could actually contribute to a genuine opposition. There is a whole textbook tactic to do so. Its very disturbing.

Before at least there were boundaries that were not crossed. Before any dissenting writer, academic, or journalist knew they were under surveillance, and may even have suspected who among their acquaintances were keeping an eye. But the acquaintance was who he said he was, you knew their families, except that he was also a member of some covert group, apart from his usual profession. Boundaries were respected. You were not threatened in your personal integrity. Today, they take fake names, fake personalities, and they try to undermine you psychologically. Before you may not have known who were funding a movement, but at least you knew that Lenin was Lenin, today controlled movements are led by fake characters.

This is why its important to know for sure before engaging in anything.

George Mc
George Mc
Aug 5, 2020 10:51 AM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

And the biggest device in the propaganda armoury is simple presupposition of the lie. Hence it was never a case of e.g. “Is the Labour party anti-Semitic?” but “What are we going to do about Labour Party anti-Semitism?” and anyone who pipes up with a request for proof of Labour anti-Semitism is branded a “denialist”. In this way the powers that be set up the limits and rules of discourse.

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Aug 5, 2020 1:18 PM
Reply to  George Mc

Exactly, George. I think you should write an article on propaganda, you seem to understand it very well. People really have no understanding of how propaganda works.

Ergo
Ergo
Aug 6, 2020 12:32 AM
Reply to  George Mc

Yes, It’s a case of understanding the mind of the deceiver and how to recognise the lies and deal with the lies.

In understanding how lies affect the stability of those who are lied to requires a lot of work to build the reserve that is necessary to survive, otherwise the victim capitulates and suffers as a result of the deception.

This is gaslighting on a major scale that should be studied and might explain how huge sectors of society are held in captivity by the lie.

Andy B
Andy B
Aug 5, 2020 10:53 AM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

I wonder what a graph of the OCD spike would look like?

Rose
Rose
Aug 5, 2020 2:20 PM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

I think this quote is also quite pertinent to the situation.

“Childhood in large parts of modern Britain, at any rate, has been replaced by premature adulthood, or rather adolescence. Children grow up very fast but not very far. That is why it is possible for 14 year olds now to establish friendships with 26 year olds – because they know by the age of 14 all they are ever going to know.

I think it’s true of all of Western culture as they attempt to accelerate childhood into a permanent adolescence who can’t think for themselves, therefore, forever vulnerable to peer pressure.

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Aug 5, 2020 3:04 PM
Reply to  Rose

I’m not so sure about that. Certainly I think the generation after mine can be more friends with my generation than my generation could be with the generation before mine but I think that’s because my generation is more open-minded than my parents’.

David Meredith
David Meredith
Aug 5, 2020 10:28 PM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

You write what sensible people are thinking.

tish
tish
Aug 5, 2020 12:46 AM

I did see this before it was removed…..when you have doctors coming out with evidence like this and it is removed, you ask why ? The doctors state evidence and research papers to back HCQ works. Dr Fauci why do you not listen to what American frontline doctors are telling you ?

JuraCalling
JuraCalling
Aug 5, 2020 1:11 AM
Reply to  tish

He’s backing Remdesivir..3 grand a hit and he has allegedly bought stock already..there’s no money in HCQ / Zinc combo..

Robbobbobin
Robbobbobin
Aug 5, 2020 8:51 AM
Reply to  JuraCalling

‘Allegedly’ butters no parsnips. It might be true but until it’s proven beyond reasonable doubt it’s just rancid tinfoil that will be used to marginalise all those chasing a deeper point before they can establish that. It could accurately be called ‘shooting your brother in the foot’.

Andy B
Andy B
Aug 5, 2020 10:55 AM
Reply to  tish

Because he likes Mr Gates and he doesn’t like Mr Trump. Politics and dosh – not people.

David Meredith
David Meredith
Aug 4, 2020 11:05 PM

Thank you off-guardian for posting this video. This is extremely important for every interested person to see. This could mark a turning point for all reasonable thinking people to realize that this is a completely treatable illness and to calm down and get back to normal living. We don’t want people to be scared and have lives and livelihoods ruined while we wait for an endless schedule of toxic and dna altering vaccines.

tonyopmoc
tonyopmoc
Aug 4, 2020 11:04 PM

Strong indication, they have now gone completely insane. From The Telegraph

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2020/08/04/councilscan-demolish-contaminated-buildings-new-powers-stop/

“Councils can demolish contaminated buildings under new powers to stop second coronavirus waveCare homes, factories, offices and even private homes could be bulldozed as last resort if virus starts to run out of control
Local authorities will be able to order the demolition of buildings at the centre of coronavirus outbreaks under draconian powers to contain a potential second wave.
Cars, buses, trains and aeroplanes could also be destroyed subject to the approval of magistrates.
Boris Johnson remains determined to avoid a second nationwide lockdown and has given a broad range of powers to local councils to contain outbreaks as soon as they are detected.
Councils will be able to draw on six separate Acts of Parliament to impose lightning closures of public buildings, order mass testing, ban events or shut down whole sectors of the economy.
They will also be able to limit school openings to set year groups and restrict travel to key workers only….”

RobG
RobG
Aug 4, 2020 10:04 PM

Deaths have been below the five-year average for six weeks in a row in England and Wales
These are official statistics from a government agency, yet the government continue to lock down cities and trash the economy.

Ort
Ort
Aug 5, 2020 1:01 AM
Reply to  RobG

Given the Orwellian, Kafkaesque spin the criminals in charge are wont to spew, rest assured that they will insist that any drop in death totals simply proves the success of their relentless policy of locking down cities and trashing the economy.

One outrageous common denominator to the scamdemic perpetrators on both sides of the Atlantic is that they are preoccupied or obsessed with protracting and escalating onerous, spurious “remedies” that suffocate the economy and its workers, but except for occasional vague acknowledgements of this unfortunate “collateral damage”, they take absolutely no responsibility for it.

Andy B
Andy B
Aug 5, 2020 10:58 AM
Reply to  RobG

Well, governments, plural. I must look into what Wales is doing. There are differences. The English NHS insists you wear a mask to give blood, the Welsh one doesn’t, for instance.

Nigrutin
Nigrutin
Aug 4, 2020 9:22 PM

Don’t mess with big African mama. Americans should not be let out without accompanying adults.

breweriana
breweriana
Aug 4, 2020 8:22 PM

I just heard a report about a terrifying outbreak of Covid19: the most deadly and feared virus in the whole of human history.

In just one town alone, 9 out of 10 people suffered from it. 

I can’t stop thinking about that 10th person who must have enjoyed it.

breweriana
breweriana
Aug 4, 2020 9:06 PM
Reply to  breweriana

My Lockdown Patents.

I went to the Patent Office to register some of my camping inventions I thought up while in Lockdown. I went to the main desk to sign in and the lady at the desk had a form that had to be filled out. She wrote down my personal info and then asked me what I had invented.

I said, “A folding bottle.”

She said, “Okay, what do you call it?”

“A Fottle.”

“What else do you have?”

“I have also invented a folding carton.”

Again she said, “what do you call it?”

“A Farton.”

She sniggered and said, “Those are silly names for products and one of them sounds kind of crude.”

I was so upset by her comment that I grabbed the form and left the office without even telling her about my folding bucket.

Credit to:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Jokes/comments/i3gvzz/my_lockdown_patents/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x

Gwyn
Gwyn
Aug 4, 2020 9:13 PM
Reply to  breweriana

My own invention’s a bit useless, really: a cardboard punt.

breweriana
breweriana
Aug 4, 2020 9:19 PM
Reply to  Gwyn

Now navigating that punt would be a cunning stunt!

Sorry. I’m going now… (cough).

Gwyn
Gwyn
Aug 4, 2020 11:13 PM
Reply to  breweriana

Ha. :o)

David Meredith
David Meredith
Aug 4, 2020 11:08 PM
Reply to  breweriana

That was me.

Moneycircus
Moneycircus
Aug 4, 2020 7:56 PM

I’m not one for hundreds of rolls of toilet paper. An acquaintance with bidets and Turkish toilets should put that concern to rest.

A newish pair of all-terrain shoes. A second pair in reserve if they are durable. Simple , long fiber cotton clothes that you can put in a bag. A couple of sharp knives of varied purpose, depending on your diet, and a whittling knife for wood. A flashlight. Portable solar batteries only if you live in the sun. In that case, more importantly, a hat.

A tiffin set, a steel bottle with screwcap, all manner of openers, and a small hatchet. Don’t forget a sharpening stone.

Why do I recommend the above? In the 1930s a modest Russian family, called by others the Old Believers, went north to escape persecution. https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/for-40-years-this-russian-family-was-cut-off-from-all-human-contact-unaware-of-world-war-ii-7354256/ The Lykovs lived there for decades. The last surviving Lykova still does. https://youtu.be/yH4g2NQRRis

Objective
Objective
Aug 4, 2020 8:47 PM
Reply to  Moneycircus

Its not what it seems, its quite an old video & a fairly sad story, i remember trying to follow it up, think she was moved to a city eventually.

Moneycircus
Moneycircus
Aug 4, 2020 9:36 PM
Reply to  Objective

The family was first discovered by geologists in the 1970s. Sadly their contact with modern people seemed to bring infection. Agafia’s father and brother died shortly thereafter.

I’ve seen no evidence that the story is false. Perhaps you’re mixing it with more famous, apocryphal stories like the mysterious Dyatlov Pass incident.

Objective
Objective
Aug 4, 2020 9:51 PM
Reply to  Moneycircus

I’m not saying its false, i’m saying its sad, she has a parasite problem or worse! Shes alone & i don’t think she was enjoying her solitude.

Objective
Objective
Aug 4, 2020 10:15 PM
Reply to  Moneycircus

Full film by vice



George Mc
George Mc
Aug 4, 2020 7:36 PM

I found the following link through Off-G’s Twitter page. This is the best overview of the entire COVID manoeuvre that I have read so far and it seems particularly valuable since it gives a (Left) answer to the Left charge that exploiting COVID would harm the capitalist system too much:

https://meurer.substack.com/p/breaking-up-with-tina

This article is the first of four (eventually to be six). The other parts can be found easily enough through the “series links on 1 page” at the bottom.

Objective
Objective
Aug 5, 2020 2:57 AM
Reply to  George Mc

Problem?

I’ve always been given the impression via numerous sources Thatcher was a brexiter certainly a critic of the EU.

It seems to the eu is an important keystone to a neoliberal one world government so how does brexit work in this covert plan?

George Mc
George Mc
Aug 5, 2020 8:20 AM
Reply to  Objective

It isn’t about a “covert plan” for a “neoliberal one world government”. If it were, we’d be much safer. No, capitalism is all about a ruthless competitive scramble for profit maximisation on a short term basis. And that is why it is so lethal.

George Mc
George Mc
Aug 5, 2020 9:49 AM
Reply to  George Mc

Yes, I think I can see some reason for the “new world order” or “one world government” notion in a statement like this:

Yet without powerful intervention, COVIDNOMICS will leave in its wake a new global order that is essentially medieval in its underlying social and economic structure. 

But you will note the wording above i.e. “will leave in its wake a new global order”. At which point you could bring in “problem/ reaction/ solution” i.e. you can imply that such an order was in the planning from the start. But my point is that any such order has never been the goal in itself.

The impulse behind all political manoeuvres is profit maximisation for the competing financial centres. This is implemented in an ongoing ad-hoc basis. Thatcher, like every other elected leader, serves the interests of the moneyed. And the latter have nothing against the EU or any other centralised group in principal. It simply comes down to how well any organisation can best serve the demand for profit.  

There has been a relentless meme going around for decades that “big government” or “the state” is bad. But the rich need the state to back up the conditions needed for capitalism to operate (e.g. by imposing property rights). This latter matter is relentlessly side-lined – and indeed not even mentioned – since capitalism presents itself as “Nature” itself. But this matter of demonising government is for the “edification” of the proles i.e. the rich can expect any amount of government aid but the proles must not.

In the early part of the 20th century, the rise of fascism was a “last resort” measure for capitalism. I would say that “COVIDNOMICS” is another such resort. The “medieval new order” is, like everything else, a matter of pragmatism. The ruling class would prefer not to implement such a drastic action. They’d prefer “business as usual”. But desperate times etc.

Lost in a dark wood
Lost in a dark wood
Aug 4, 2020 7:34 PM

The following is the first session from the summit and it appears to be the only one which is currently uploaded. Profiles of the speakers can be found here:
https://americasfrontlinedoctorsummit.com/speakers/

America’s Frontline Doctors Summit – Session 1
Streamed live on Jul 27, 2020
TPPatriots

American life has fallen casualty to a massive disinformation campaign. We can speculate on how this has happened, and why it has continued, but the purpose of the American Frontline Doctor’s Summit is to empower Americans to stop living in fear. Join the summit live as we:
– Create the opportunity for frontline doctors to talk directly to the American people.
– Educate and inform Congresspersons, who have also been subject to widespread misinformation.
– Build alliances, as it falls to us physicians to heal our nation.

Aproximate Timings (h:mm)
0:00 – Opening Remarks
0:15 – Schools and Children
1:05 – Senior Citizens (General)
1:18 – General Population / Lockdown etc
1:52 – Senior Citizens (Frail)
2:11 – Medical Cancel Culture
2:32 – Public Policy

Swanriver
Swanriver
Aug 4, 2020 7:04 PM

They are shutting down:

Countries
Cities
Districts
Building types
Streets
Families
You

David Meredith
David Meredith
Aug 4, 2020 11:11 PM
Reply to  Swanriver

World Order Reset Attempt.

Sandy
Sandy
Aug 4, 2020 6:18 PM

So… remember the Off Guardian article that pretty well identified Hydroxychloroquine as deadly to 30% of POC with equatorial genetic origin? Shouldn’t this fact be restated here as a precautionary condition.

HellenInTroy
HellenInTroy
Aug 4, 2020 6:35 PM
Reply to  Sandy

The Lord, does indeed, work in mysterious ways.

JuraCalling
JuraCalling
Aug 5, 2020 1:16 AM
Reply to  HellenInTroy

Indeed he does Hellen. I was particularly impressed by his disappearing trick and his invisibility. He doesn’t even fall for all the wars and starvation. He just keeps it up. He’s the Houdini of Heaven.

Objective
Objective
Aug 4, 2020 7:50 PM
Reply to  Sandy

LOL yes we were sucked in with that one.

NicS
NicS
Aug 4, 2020 8:06 PM
Reply to  Sandy

That must be why India just authorised HCQ as a prophylactic for 3m health workers,

tonyopmoc
tonyopmoc
Aug 4, 2020 6:10 PM

I found this highly entertaining from Manchester

“Coronavirus: Plumber Rips Matt Hancock A New Arsehole”

JudyJ
JudyJ
Aug 4, 2020 6:17 PM
Reply to  tonyopmoc

Although I am usually a little dismayed by crude linguistic imagery (some might call me ‘old-fashioned’ 😀 ) when I watched this yesterday I did find it very funny. It’s not just what he says that made me chuckle, it’s his facial expressions as he listens to Hancock.

HellenInTroy
HellenInTroy
Aug 4, 2020 6:46 PM
Reply to  tonyopmoc

They are tormenting the population because they want a revolt. They will not stop until a revolt happens and following the ‘revolution’ the far-right will assume power, as Steve Bannon has predicted this week, and is engineering with Cummings.

I find myself cheering this CIA operation, against masks and restrictions, it’s that good, but I really wont like it when they have trashed our parliament and our democratic institutions by discrediting our government via their daft Covid restrictions. Finally it is a pantomime to discredit our democratic institutions, ones they are gone, we will be left with our militarily and a secretive elite telling us what we are allowed to do.

Objective
Objective
Aug 4, 2020 7:54 PM
Reply to  HellenInTroy

Yep they’re attempting to provoke civil unrest so they can implement marshal law.

breweriana
breweriana
Aug 4, 2020 8:26 PM
Reply to  Objective

they’re attempting to provoke civil unrest”

But you know what happens when the Genie is out of the bottle…

Objective
Objective
Aug 4, 2020 8:44 PM
Reply to  breweriana

Yeah the state kills lots of it subjects.

Igor
Igor
Aug 4, 2020 9:48 PM
Reply to  HellenInTroy

“CIA operation, against masks and restrictions”
The whole event is a global intelligence op. Both pro and anti are run by Intelligence.
Add to the list on agencies, China’s state security, internal issues in China are no longer in the news cycle. A nation could hide a Cultural Revolution sized purge within COVID statistics.

Tony
Tony
Aug 4, 2020 9:56 PM
Reply to  HellenInTroy

What on earth are you going on about? This scam is driven almost entirely by neoliberal globalists. All the anarchic protests in US cities are funded by Soros organisations and supported by the local Dem hierarchies. The BLM protests in the UK were allowed because the globalists made it plain that they had to be allowed, despite lockdown. The Right is, astonishingly, on the side of right and common good at the moment. The traditional left (of which I always used to consider myself a part) has aligned itself squarely with the neoliberals and their evil, murderous power grab.

John Ervin
John Ervin
Aug 5, 2020 3:21 AM
Reply to  Tony

It’s a Through the Looking Glass Op allowing either Right or Left to analyze and assign blame in reverse, as suits their take. By design, too.

Sallywilks
Sallywilks
Aug 4, 2020 6:50 PM
Reply to  tonyopmoc

Another chap of military age and fitness telling me how it is? They are tormenting the population because they want a revolt. They will not stop until a revolt happens and following the ‘revolution’ the far-right will assume power, as Steve Bannon has predicted this week, and is engineering with Cummings.

I find myself cheering this CIA operation, against masks and restrictions, it’s that good, but I really wont like it when they have trashed our parliament and our democratic institutions by discrediting our government via their daft Covid restrictions. Finally it is a pantomime to discredit our democratic institutions, ones they are gone, we will be left with our militarily and a secretive elite telling us what we are allowed to do.

Tony
Tony
Aug 4, 2020 9:58 PM
Reply to  Sallywilks

Uh…..that’s the same post under two different user names. It’s you, jack, posting as a woman, isn’t it?

JudyJ
JudyJ
Aug 5, 2020 11:27 AM
Reply to  Tony

@Roger23 is a third user name – duplicate post with @HelleninTroy below.

Igor
Igor
Aug 4, 2020 9:40 PM
Reply to  tonyopmoc

Replace the Thursday evening hand clapping with everyone everywhere, on their balconies, front porches, street corners, yelling “I’m mad as hell and I am not going to take this anymore!” Howard Beale (played by Peter Finch) in Network (1976).

David Meredith
David Meredith
Aug 4, 2020 11:15 PM
Reply to  tonyopmoc

Don’t you know that this virus has a very high IQ? It knows which side of the border you are on and if you are indoors or outdoors. It knows if you are naughty or nice, it’s writing a list and checking it twice. Be very careful people – this virus is watching you.

Andy B
Andy B
Aug 5, 2020 5:58 AM
Reply to  tonyopmoc

Did my heart good to see this. Hancock is not challenged nearly enough.

Jill
Jill
Aug 4, 2020 6:08 PM

There are two studies, one from 2005 when Fauci was head of NIH and another in 2017 which show chloroquine helped treat and even acted as a vaccine for Sars Cov (the one in 2005) and other viral illnesses (study in 2017).

I take your point about saying this is a dangerous disease. However, this is true for certain people although I’m not convinced we are looking at one specific disease so much as a set of symptoms which may be triggered by multiple factors, extremely bad air pollution, flu diagnosed as C19, etc.)

Whatever the case, these severe symptoms seem to respond to this treatment. We need more information and that is getting really difficult to access due to constant censorship. I’m glad more people are speaking up!

bob
bob
Aug 4, 2020 5:00 PM

enjoy this piece about the self-righteous mask wearing zombies

https://twitter.com/Jordan_Sather_/status/1290135792027750403

Roger23
Roger23
Aug 4, 2020 5:21 PM
Reply to  bob

Forced mask wearing is Communist really? It looks more like Fascism to me.

S Cooper
S Cooper
Aug 4, 2020 5:27 PM
Reply to  bob

One recognizes that the issue is not who is going to be the next REPUBLICRAT ‘master of ceremonies’ political hack in the White House. That is a digression. But the complete end of the corporate fascist war racketeer criminal order. The Oligarch Mobster Psychopaths need to go, the sooner the better.

MASK NAZIS take off your mouth gags and face muzzles and breath in the fresh air, as NATURE had intended!

Reichsmark
Reichsmark
Aug 4, 2020 4:27 PM

The answer to the BBC’s bias, censorship or propaganda is not to stop paying the license fee so that the government can sell it off to ComCast and get endless US propaganda, as they intend doing.

The answer is the difficult route, to defend it’s independence and work it free from direct government control, or failing that fight for a government that allows political opposition in parliament and in the media. The BBC is not failing , our democracy is.

Objective
Objective
Aug 4, 2020 5:01 PM
Reply to  Reichsmark

DE-FUND the BBC! If you want it you pay for it, but don’t force everyone else too.

The best way to achieve its independence is to fund itself or die.

Roger23
Roger23
Aug 4, 2020 5:12 PM
Reply to  Objective

Strange how you people endlessly attack big Pharma and the big banks yet you want to see the the BBC owned by the same Corporate oligarchs.

But I suppose that is because you guys basically serve the interests of the neoliberal state, even if you don’t know it.

A national broadcaster, like a national health system, like a national telephone network, like a national military, can all perform functions in the national interests.
There is a need for such an organization.

A private Corporation can only serve it’s own interests of it’s private owners interests. they can never serve the interests of the country.

Objective
Objective
Aug 4, 2020 7:04 PM
Reply to  Roger23

You people? Are you saying that coz i iz black?



I don’t care who owns it, i don’t watch it, along with all other MSM. But no one should be forced to pay or it under penalty of imprisonment.

For the record the British Brainwashing Corporation has always been neo-liberal.

Swanriver
Swanriver
Aug 4, 2020 7:23 PM
Reply to  Objective

No, I is saying that coz you is brainwashed by the alt-right.

Objective
Objective
Aug 4, 2020 7:39 PM
Reply to  Swanriver

LOL a name calling liberal, no there’s an unusual occurrence.

Thankfully since I stopped watching the bbc my clarity of independent thought has improved immensely.

The bbc has always been neo-liberal & neo-liberals have been nationalist when it suited them. No one should be told what to think then threatened with incarceration if they refuse to pay for it.

That’s the trouble with liberals, they talk of personal freedom then put anyone in a cage who doesn’t agree with them.

Andy B
Andy B
Aug 5, 2020 6:41 AM
Reply to  Swanriver

Ah, yes, the mystical woo-woo alt-right. As I said, you want it, you pay for it.

Moneycircus
Moneycircus
Aug 4, 2020 7:16 PM
Reply to  Roger23

Not when it’s controlled by Mi5 domestically and the FCO externally. That is not a news service. That is the Ministry of Information/Minitrue/Central Office of Information. Not the same broadcaster that you imagine.

Swanriver
Swanriver
Aug 4, 2020 7:22 PM
Reply to  Moneycircus

You know MI5 used to work for the British people. It needs to again.

Moneycircus
Moneycircus
Aug 4, 2020 7:26 PM
Reply to  Swanriver

That’s a very long time ago. About the time my mother worked for Spycatcher. Or given his memoirs, 10 years before.

Objective
Objective
Aug 4, 2020 7:41 PM
Reply to  Swanriver

Secretive security agencies have never worked for “the people” they have & do work for the establishment.

Joelog
Joelog
Aug 4, 2020 9:56 PM
Reply to  Objective

Who have worked for us in the past, where do you think your NHS came from?

Objective
Objective
Aug 4, 2020 10:26 PM
Reply to  Joelog

Interesting question, one story behind the inception of the NHS (technically not a secret intelligence agency) Is that after WW2 the establishment was gravely concerned about the health & fitness of fighting age men, to go to war if need be, so they started the NHS (granted a long time socialist wet-dream) to make the population fit & healthy, ready to die for their country LOL & I bet you thought it was all the doing of that old altruistic socialist Aneurin Bevan eh.

Andy B
Andy B
Aug 5, 2020 6:04 AM
Reply to  Roger23

You want it? YOU pay it for it. Democracy, yuh?

Thom
Thom
Aug 4, 2020 5:33 PM
Reply to  Reichsmark

The government’s strategy is to ruin the BBC so that the public no longer value it, and then sell it off to be neutered by the Americans, who are jealous of its influence around the world. That is why right-wing hacks and the fake left are always banging on about the BBC – it presents an obstacle to CIA propaganda. We should be campaigning not for the BBC to be closed but rebooted as a service that works for the British people and starts to produce decent programmes again produced by people with humanity and humour, not the talentless children of foreign spooks and the upper classes.

Roger23
Roger23
Aug 4, 2020 6:08 PM
Reply to  Thom

Of course absolutely true, that is what would have been said many times over, again and again in the newspapers and on TV, but since the far-right have assumed the role of ‘political opposition’ as well as being in the driving seat of power in number 10 and parliament, the common sense view is not allowed. But of course it is the obvious answer, if we want to live in a free democracy.

Not so long ago, when I was younger, the ‘great and the good’ the old duffers, lord bog or Lady viscount do-dar, would have said as such in public, in grand tones with impeccable logic. But unfortunately they have long gone, set-up(framed) by expenses scandals, had accusation of pedophilia thrown agaist them or have been denied any access to the media and power, having become known for speaking their minds. Such is the slow rolling fascist coup we are being subjected to.

Note how many people think they are freedom fighters now, for wanting to hand the BBC over to US corporations. Incredible idiocy isn’t it?

Moneycircus
Moneycircus
Aug 4, 2020 7:22 PM
Reply to  Roger23

How do you propose to reboot it? Mi5 vetting was supposed to end under Thatcher. The fake Syria stories and COVID shows it’s got worse.

A propaganda service may be Aunty but it is not a news service.

Igor
Igor
Aug 4, 2020 10:02 PM
Reply to  Roger23

“Far right”, no, what the West has is control by the ultra wealthy globalists, who own and/or control 99.99% of global wealth.
Words like progressive, liberal, conservative, republican, right, and left have been perverted from their original meanings. Everything wraps around who has Power and Control over sovereign nations and individuals.

Andy B
Andy B
Aug 5, 2020 6:46 AM
Reply to  Roger23

No. The BBC is rubbish. I don’t want to watch EastEnders. I want something that is impartial if it should be impartial. And it has a charter stating it should be. It is not. Only people who arrogantly think they are always right and live in a ‘woke’ echo chamber would subscribe to BBC news or current affairs – or traditionalists who are living in the 1950s.

Objective
Objective
Aug 4, 2020 7:44 PM
Reply to  Thom

Bollocks, the tories (or any government) will not sell the bbc. Its always been a valuable propaganda tool for the establishment. They’re just manipulating changes to suit them. But if they did i’d celebrate that day.

Igor
Igor
Aug 4, 2020 9:53 PM
Reply to  Thom

Sell it to the same group that owns all of the Media in UK and US.
Does anyone believe that BBC represents or serves the British People?

IANA
IANA
Aug 4, 2020 6:48 PM
Reply to  Reichsmark

The first step to removing the problem of the BBC is absolutely to defund it. You can have it do all of those things you suggest as long as you are willing to pay for it. Just don’t force me or mine to.

I would suggest that there is about as much democracy in this country as there is BBC independence. I don’t ‘support’ either.

Sallywilks
Sallywilks
Aug 4, 2020 6:56 PM
Reply to  IANA

The BBC is not a problem. It should not be de-funded, LIke the NHS it needs to be nationally funded, via a license or via tax. otherwise we end up with a sorry looking British version of PBS the american Pulic channel.

Swanriver
Swanriver
Aug 4, 2020 7:24 PM
Reply to  IANA

The BBC is not a problem, the government is the problem.

Objective
Objective
Aug 4, 2020 7:48 PM
Reply to  Swanriver

All governments are the problem.

If there was an election tomorrow who you going to vote for?

The system is corrupt beyond salvation, we’re fucked, unless its pulled down in its entirety & that will be messy.

Joelog
Joelog
Aug 4, 2020 9:57 PM
Reply to  Objective

So you solder boys can run the show no doubt.

Objective
Objective
Aug 4, 2020 10:27 PM
Reply to  Joelog

What?

IANA
IANA
Aug 4, 2020 9:52 PM
Reply to  Swanriver

Twin cheeks on the same arse – they are both the problem. BBC for the shit it produces and the govt for forcing us to pay for it.

Reichsmark
Reichsmark
Aug 4, 2020 3:50 PM

Do ‘UK Column News’ champion workers rights, economic equality, union representation, increased taxation on the rich, universal heath care do they attack Corporate monopolies, and US oligarchs, massive American military spending, the USA’s genocides against the peoples of Iran, Venezuela and Syria, or even the sanctions against 32 other victim states?

I thought not, I wonder why?

Perhaps because they are ‘the seeds’ of the US alt-right planted in Europe, like the ones Steve Bannon coordinates in Italy, Austria and the UK. I wonder if they know him?

Reichsmark
Reichsmark
Aug 4, 2020 4:11 PM
Reply to  Steve Hayes

They attack ‘big Pharma’ as part of their ‘international New World Order conspiracy’, which is just a reworking of the old ‘International Jewish conspiracy’ of the 1930’s.

They are not asking for regulation to control corporate monopoly or asking democracies to reign in their power. They believe that big Pharma controls the world along with big banks. The only difference with the 1930’s is they haven’t called them Jewish,…..YET.

In fact UK column don’t like Democratic institutions at all. They relentlessly attack them and democracy itself. I wonder what they would like to replace it with?

Roger23
Roger23
Aug 4, 2020 5:02 PM
Reply to  Reichsmark

You cowards who ‘down-tick’, yet remain silent, lets see what you have to say for yourselves. This is not Facebook, where ‘a like’ is all that is expected of you, this is a ‘free’ forum of debate of ideas, expose your beliefs to scrutiny, lets see how they stack up.

Thom
Thom
Aug 4, 2020 5:41 PM
Reply to  Reichsmark

But I’ll bet they don’t really believe it. The ‘Big Pharma’ conspiracy is just red meat put out for the plebs so they don’t notice the real conspiracy – Big Tech working with the American ‘deep state’ to save the dollar and American power by crushing economies.

Roger23
Roger23
Aug 4, 2020 6:21 PM
Reply to  Thom

Big Pharma is another arm of the US empire, that works with/for the state.
The US is a pure fascist state, where the Corporate co-ordinates with tech, with military, with surveillance, with the political, with the financial…etc. Snowden told us that.

They are a rapacious empire, hungry to consume the rest of the world. Except we are not being told by our cowardly leaders, that we are on the USA’s menu. I believe we should at least be told, who is destroying our country.

HellenInTroy
HellenInTroy
Aug 4, 2020 6:26 PM
Reply to  Thom

Big Pharma is just another arm of the US empire, that works with/for the state.
The US is a pure fascist state, where the Corporate co-ordinates with tech, with military, with surveillance, with the political, with the financial…etc. Snowden’s own job was to spy on foreign business and M&A’s.
They are a rapacious empire, hungry to consume the rest of the world. Except we are not being told by our cowardly leaders, that we are on the USA’s menu. I believe we should at least be told, who is destroying our country.

JudyJ
JudyJ
Aug 5, 2020 11:25 AM
Reply to  HellenInTroy

@HelleninTroy, @Roger23 and @sallywilks appear to be letting their side down very quickly. Duplicate posts are an immediate giveaway. Usually it takes longer for multi-IDs to become so obvious. I suspect one or two other new commenters on here are also part of the ‘group’.

Tony
Tony
Aug 4, 2020 10:14 PM
Reply to  Reichsmark

jack, it doesn’t matter how many user names you use, or whether you give it a rest for a couple of weeks. Your bollox about how the USA works will always be bollox. Your tosh has been comprehensively discredited over, and over, and over again on OffG.

Reichsmark
Reichsmark
Aug 4, 2020 3:38 PM

Never have the dangers of an ‘attack’ from the USA against Europe been greater then today. The dollar is a fight for it’s survival and hell hath no fury, as a world reserve currency scorned.

‘’Dollar Sends Warning That U.S. Is Losing Its Grip on the Virus’’

https://www.msn.com/en-us/finance/markets/dollar-e2-80-99s-slide-is-a-warning-that-us-has-lost-grip-on-virus/ar-BB17uloo

Hay guys, we (in Europe) didn’t do this ….you did

Dr NG Maroudas
Dr NG Maroudas
Aug 4, 2020 2:02 PM

Pedants Corner: Zn++ ion regulates cell adhesion. One of umpteen respectable scientific papers on the subject:

https://pubs.rsc.org/en/content/articlehtml/2015/mt/c4mt00300d

I myself produced one or two research papers, on Zn++ mediated cell adhesion, in the 1970s. The effect is powerful but the exact mechanism — even of so simple a chemical as Zn++ — is still a mystery. Not helped by politicians and their journalistic cattle trampling and muddying the waters around the pure spring of science.

Adhesion to our bronchial epithelium is one of the factors in early invasion of flu virus. This subject needs more dispassionate research, and less passionate dispute by unqualified people who never handled a petri dish nor treated a patient.

Lost in a dark wood
Lost in a dark wood
Aug 4, 2020 2:45 PM
Reply to  Dr NG Maroudas

Re: “the pure spring of science”

That delusion is far more dangerous to humanity then any virus.

Dr NG Maroudas
Dr NG Maroudas
Aug 4, 2020 3:20 PM

Then you are indeed Lost in a Dark Wood.

“Except for that moment when a child was cradled in a manger in Bethlehem, no powerful movement for good has crept into the world as quietly as science.”

Lost in a dark wood
Lost in a dark wood
Aug 4, 2020 3:28 PM
Reply to  Dr NG Maroudas

It is the “pure spring” element which I call a dangerous delusion.

Norm Corin
Norm Corin
Aug 4, 2020 5:30 PM
Reply to  Dr NG Maroudas

There is no (accessible) truth. There is only purported evidence, and judgements on purported evidence … as in these 24-century-old words, “Man is the measure of all things”. Applies both to gods and sciences.

Dr.NG Maroudas
Dr.NG Maroudas
Aug 4, 2020 6:07 PM
Reply to  Norm Corin

Norm, that is pure Sophistry – Protagoras to be precise. Science is the measure of Man.

Woody, nothing in this world is purer than what springs from science — both mentally and materially. Even morally; science is the greatest form of organised honesty on this planet. Hope you escape from your “selva oscura, che la dirita via e smarritta”.

NicS
NicS
Aug 4, 2020 8:08 PM
Reply to  Dr.NG Maroudas

Science is “belief in the ignorance of experts” (Feynman). Only questioning certain or dogmatic knowledge allows progress

richard
richard
Aug 4, 2020 8:15 PM
Reply to  Dr.NG Maroudas

The true scientist is happy to be proved wrong because he seeks to understand the world that he or she (or other) has been lucky enough to be born into – (for more on this theme see Dawkins’ Christmas lectures ep.1 circa 1991 on youtube). This is the scientific principle…
If you’ll forgive the impertinence, “science” can be abused – check out AGW for instance.

gordon
gordon
Aug 4, 2020 1:42 PM

do these doc actors use this oil industry chemi cull for influenza or winter flu?

have doctors not lilled enough in the name of pasteur and his pox germ theory
and how the muppet’s demand the real doctor medicines
your doctor is a private for profit corporation numb skulls
not hero or friend

snap out of it

Shin
Shin
Aug 4, 2020 1:00 PM

A shortened version of “The Political Hippocratic Oath:
I do solemnly declare to murder regardless of facts
To murder anyone i deem fit and/or healthy
-regardless of their innocence
To incarcerate anyone i deem fit and/or healthy
-regardless of their innocence
To treat the populace as a toy for my own personal gain
To starve and steal from the needy, mercifully
To do whatever the fuck i want
And to lie continuously to further these gains
So help me God!

Reichsmark
Reichsmark
Aug 4, 2020 3:42 PM
Reply to  Shin

Has always been the case. It was the same in the early days of the 3rd Reich, this fascist conglomerate is no different.

Moneycircus
Moneycircus
Aug 4, 2020 9:29 AM

Part Two of UK Column News – 3rd August 2020

ECONOMIC IMPACT
Worse in a few months than the Great Depression was in three years.
Economic commentator Aaron Ginn has posted a comparison of the current economic collapse compared with the Great Depression. The following estimates apply to the U.S. but most countries will be seeing similar numbers.

You won’t know this because the Corporatist Media is not telling you. For example, the BBC does not use the word ‘depression’, even though the contraction qualifies as such. Thus it is forced into contortions like: Coronavirus: ‘World faces worst recession since Great Depression’

What victory looks like for Lockdown advocates.
1929-1932 (lowest point) the US economy contracted 30%
2020 Contribution to Real GDP.. so far down 39%
https://www.trendsmap.com/twitter/tweet/1289973737593298944 (Registration required).

Ginn got his own write up in the WSJ: The Lockdown Skeptic They Couldn’t SilenceTargeted for censorship in March, Aaron Ginn is becoming an influential voice in cities, states and Washington. (Registration required)

GOVERNMENT DEBT CRISIS
Former World Bank chief economist Joseph Stiglitz proposes a voluntary debt buyback: a haircut for all those who lent money to governments. A haircut is banker talk for you get some of your money back in return for agreeing to forego a percentage… so lenders to government could get back, say, 50%. Countries that don’t need their full allocation of the currency units issued by the International Monetary Fund known as Special Drawing Rights.

More than 100 low- and middle-income countries will still have to pay a combined $130bn in debt service this year – around half of which is owed to private creditors… Fortunately, there is an underused alternative: voluntary sovereign-debt buybacks. Debt buybacks are widespread in the corporate world, and have proved effective both in Latin America in the 1990s and, more recently, in the Greek context. And they have the advantage of avoiding the harsh terms that typically come with debt swaps.

A buyback program’s principal objective would be to reduce debt burdens by securing significant discounts (haircuts) on the face value of sovereign bonds, and by minimising exposure to risky private creditors. But a buyback program could also be designed to advance health and climate goals, by requiring that the beneficiaries spend the money that otherwise would have gone to debt service on creating public goods.

This last bit links paying off debt to health and climate goals – typical IMF speak for making developing countries adopt policies like privatization and policies that favour mainly-American corporations and banks, and Western agendas.
https://www.dumptheguardian.com/business/2020/aug/03/global-debt-crisis-relief-coronavirus-pandemic

Moneycircus
Moneycircus
Aug 4, 2020 10:14 AM
Reply to  Moneycircus

Half a sentence missing above:

Countries that don’t need their full allocation of the currency units issued by the International Monetary Fund known as Special Drawing Rights could give or lend them to a new IMF scheme to set up debt relief for poorer countries.

BTW it’s interesting to see how this IMF policy initiative is being promoted. Stiglitz’s article for The Guardian actually came from Project Syndicate, which in turn was fed the article by the Center for Economic Policy Research.

Thus it is the International Financial Institutions, the IFIs, that run the global monetary system who are putting this “news story” in front of our eyes. They use a syndication system that, as explained below, gets their ideas around the globe.

Project Syndicate: “News organizations in developed countries provide financial contributions for the rights to Project Syndicate commentaries, which enables us to offer these rights for free, or at subsidized rates, to newspapers and other media in the developing world.”

YeahBut
YeahBut
Aug 4, 2020 2:26 PM
Reply to  Moneycircus

Just to note that the -39% figure sounds worse than it actually is, because of the annoying US convention of quoting quarterly economic statistics on an annualised basis. What it actually means is that second quarter GDP fell 9.5%.

George Mc
George Mc
Aug 4, 2020 3:25 PM
Reply to  Moneycircus

But it’s frightfully tactless to mention the economy when people are dying all around us. And as we all know, both the govt and the media have always been more concerned about people’s lives than about the economy!

Andrea
Andrea
Aug 4, 2020 6:08 PM
Reply to  George Mc

I was saying something similar to a friend ref the indemnity situation with the pharma”s and the vaccine. If they really cared about saving lives then they would collaborate together and produce a vaccine on a not for profit basis. I saw that Astrazenica are saying they will produce 2mil vaccines on a not for profit basis, they want indemnity from the Government ( ie Tax Payer). Why only 2mil and not 67mil vaccines? And are we only covering indemnity on the 2mil? I think I know the answer to that question .

George Mc
George Mc
Aug 4, 2020 7:55 PM
Reply to  Andrea

Basically, all those months of COVID scaremongering are to prepare us for the sales pitch of a whole host of mountebanks shovelling out sheep’s piss as the elixir of life – only the new pitch will be that you only get to live at all if you swallow it (after paying up of course).

Moneycircus
Moneycircus
Aug 4, 2020 9:14 AM

UK Column News – 3rd August 2020

VACCINE MAKERS GRANTED INDEMNITY
Astra Zeneca is granted protection from future product liability claims by most of the countries with which it has struck a deal to produce briefly-tested vaccines.

“This is a unique situation where we as a company simply cannot take the risk if in … four years the vaccine is showing side effects,” Ruud Dobber, a member of Astra’s senior executive team, told Reuters.

In AZ’s favour they are making the vaccines on a non-profit basis. Presumably their expenses are covered. Bill Gates has been on TV, BTW, demanding governments grant indemnity. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-astrazeneca-results-vaccine-liability/astrazeneca-to-be-exempt-from-coronavirus-vaccine-liability-claims-in-most-countries-idUSKCN24V2EN

David Scott, for UK Column Northern Exposure, asks what level of harm we are talking about. No one knows. This will be a mass vaccination programme for a disease that is no more harmful than seasonal flu. The CDC estimates a 0.2 fatality rate and it doesn’t affect people under 45 at all. This is new technology, DNA based vaccines. It is not a variation of existing technology. Where is the assessment of risk, where is the judgement?

LOCKDOWN AND PARAMILITARY LANGUAGE
Opening of the economy planned for Aug 1 are postponed. Lockdown is back. Piloting of larger crowds in sports venues won’t happen. Wedding receptions are still banned.
Face coverings extended to museums, cinemas, libraries and places of worship.

The UK R rate is 0.8-0.9 which means the growth rate is between -4 and -1 which means COVID is disappearing. 

The government admits the figures for COVID are too low to make policy decisions. The UK is being closed down on statistics that even government admits are not fit for purpose.

Figures for the north of England are even provided with an asterisk noting that the numbers are unreliable — and yet the Great Manchester Combined Authority bases its Lockdown policy entirely on the R number.

Greater Manchester Strategic Coordination Group declares “major incident: Do not visit someone else in their home unless you have formed a support bubble. Note the paramilitary language as the city council talks in terms of strategy, intelligence and surveillance.

WAR WITH SOMEONE
Clearly the government WANTS to lockdown the population regardless of the presence or not of COVID.

DNA TESTING is next. DNA Nudge will use DNA testing to “detect the virus”. Currently piloting in London, this will be rolled out across the UK.

A quick look at DNA Nudge’s website and it’s all about wearing your DNA on a wristband for “shopping”. It says nothing about sharing your DNA with the government but that’s doubtless what’s happening.

This is the government identifying the entire population with DNA in preparation for martial law. It doesn’t matter that the COVID tests don’t work. It is about collecting DNA — my opinion, not necessarily that of the makers of UK Column.

The UK Column take is that Google and GCHQ are involved in setting up the Stasi state. Now they’re co-opting the NHS.

DAILY MAIL “SPONSORED BY THE UK GOV”
Three Asian faces lead this propaganda article targeting BAME people, using wartime language and warning people they should cooperate with NHS Test and Trace. And it’s working: since the system was launched in late May, more than 84 per cent of those at risk have been reached and asked to stay at home. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8572833/Worrying-staying-safe-army-health-professionals-working-scenes.html

I feel proud to be part of the national effort against Covid-19′ — Gurinder Singh, from Swindon

Imagine your husband is dying of coronavirus in hospital, it’s his birthday and you’re desperate to visit him. But if you see him now, you’ll have to self-isolate for a fortnight and won’t be able to be there to comfort him at the end. It’s a desperate, almost unimaginable choice to have to make. — Kam Khatker, from Iver, Buckinghamshire, is an osteopath

“When we started, the system was brand new… but we’ve found that as it’s gone on, the system’s needed to adapt because restaurants, pubs and shops have re-opened.”

— Sarah Hartle, from Manchester

The system prompts Sarah to ask who was wearing masks, if cashiers and drivers were behind a screen and if they paid by cash or card. For international flights, asking careful questions, such as where the person was sitting, means that not everyone on the plane needs to self-isolate.

GOVT IN A BUBBLE — Anything that doesn’t endorse the Government line is immediately excluded. Amazingly the Chief Adviser to Scottish Gov Devi Sridhar has blocked parliamentarians on Twitter.

MSN BLOCKING DOCTORS — Users of social media find they are blocked from ‘join this conversation’ option.

BBC APPOINTS ‘DISINFORMATION’ REPORTER — “The BBC’s specialist disinformation reporter Marianna Spring brought together a dad who got in touch with her about a coronavirus conspiracy theory and an expert in the field. They discussed fact and fiction, and demonstrated some tips on how to talk about conspiracy theories.” https://www.bbc.com/news/av/uk-53395619/coronavirus-how-to-talk-about-conspiracy-theories

ELDERLY BEING EXCLUDED FROM NHS HOSPITALS
Letters sent out telling relatives that patients are unlikely to do any better in hospital and may prefer to die at home or in their care home. GPs are offering advice only remotely.

Government announces Over 50s may be forced to stay at home or have to carry ‘risk assessment cards’, the latter according to The Times. There was an immediate uproar so Robert Jenrick Housing Secretary was put up to deny that the government may quarantine over 50s.

The UK Column suspects the Behavioural Insight Team may have floated this suggestion to measure how the public responded.

WHO ARE THE ‘CHANGE AGENTS’?
COMMON PURPOSE – GOV FEIGNS IGNORANCE
CP was the ‘training organization’ that took over the Civil Service from inside, using courses and qualifications on ‘leadership’ to courses to put Change Agents in place.

The government was challenged on its use of Common Purpose – but stonewalled. Ministry of Defence Minister of State Baroness Goldie was asked many British Army and Police officers had taken CP courses. She said that records were not easily or cheaply available. She said the Navy and the Air Force had not used CP, but the Army had.

David Cameron’s Conservative government promoted Common Purpose heavily – even when Communities Minister Eric Pickles warned that the organization should be avoided. Thus it is not credible that no-one can unearth any information.

From 2005 an agenda from an army barracks where training was held, the Naval Commodore was part of the Common Purpose Advisory Board along with Richard Hatfield, Personnel Director of the Ministry of Defence.

Parliamentary questions from 2007 show hundreds of thousands of pounds were spent on training.

Common Purpose is a government approved socio-political change agent. With public officials working to their own agenda and not that of Parliament or the People – it is because miitary, police and civil servants have been reframed, says Brian Gerrish. UKC’s exposé of Common Purpose is here: https://www.cpexposed.com/

UK Column News – 3rd August 2020 https://youtu.be/4tMuyG2rTLY



JudyJ
JudyJ
Aug 4, 2020 10:39 AM
Reply to  Moneycircus

Thanks for these useful summaries, Moneycircus. I watched the whole podcast last night and you have mentioned one particular point that jumped out but I thought was worth reiterating just so it can sink in.

[on indemnity for vaccine manufacturers] This is a unique situation where we as a company simply cannot take the risk if…in four years the vaccine is showing side effects [ Ruud Dobber, Astrazeneca]

This statement alone needs to raise a very red flag for all those in favour of a (completely unnecessary) vaccine which it is ‘hoped’ to develop and roll out in the space of a few months as opposed to the usual decade or thereabouts. Contrary to what I have heard some MSM commentators imply, the normal time frame for developing vaccines is for good reason and not because research scientists have been dragging their heels.

Rhys Jaggar
Rhys Jaggar
Aug 4, 2020 5:05 PM
Reply to  JudyJ

Judy

Vaccine manufacturers have had indemnity for over 20 years in the US and for quite some time in the UK. In the US, the taxpayer puts $0.75 per vaccine shot into a common pot for compensation. No-one asks whether the US Government demands a cut in the price of vaccines given that manufacturers cannot be sued.

As for ‘developing vaccines’, there need to be significant discussions about what ‘endpoint measurements’ are acceptable. Typically, the only things that are measured are short term reactions, when the important thing is whether loading up children with a dozen or more doses of aluminium or mercury may cause long-term damage not detected within 14 days of giving one jab.

Mytea
Mytea
Aug 4, 2020 6:31 PM
Reply to  Rhys Jaggar

There is no excuse to inject people to begin with. No evidence of a pathogenic virus exists. The scientific evidence shows colds and flus are not contagious:

[youtube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtJh7y7V9MI%5D

Paul
Paul
Aug 4, 2020 11:07 PM
Reply to  Rhys Jaggar

If a vaccine appears on the market this quick how can they possibly know months or years away if there will be side effects.
They have absolutely no idea.
People should be shouting from the rooftops about this.
Look at the last rushed vaccine for swine flu in 2009.
That didn’t turn out very well

Paul
Paul
Aug 4, 2020 11:02 PM
Reply to  JudyJ

The main question is how are they producing a vaccine for a virus that has never been isolated and not scientifically proven to exist.
And as yet there’s no evidence that this new ‘virus’ causes the new disease Covid19 pneumonia which has also never been properly defined.

DunGroanin
DunGroanin
Aug 4, 2020 10:39 AM
Reply to  Moneycircus

Why are you shilling UKC?

Why in such detail??

Are you working for UKC???
Are you a PR operative????
Are you Cabinet Office ?????
Are you 77th??????

Just asking.

UKC is the latest new head of the DS/neocon hydra – even its name is comically militarist – like the ‘Syria Campaign’ was, out of SCL …

What single expose/revelation naming names and places has it revealed – EXCLUSIVELY ?

Not A Bean.

Moneycircus
Moneycircus
Aug 4, 2020 10:48 AM
Reply to  DunGroanin

Binra posted a Malcolm X quote I hadn’t heard: “I’m for truth, no matter who tells it.”

As I’ve said before – the show is heavy with detail so I make notes as I listen. When they mention a news story I look it up, read it myself and link to it. Sometimes I add a comment. Then I share, not always promptly but within a day.

Is UKC the Gospel truth? They wouldn’t claim that themselves. It is a source of information and interpretation of that information.

Do the show’s founders have an agenda? They are not trying to influence your behaviour or mislead you as the UK Government’s Behavioural Insight Team is expressly created to do. There is no call to action.

Do they have opinions, “a side”? Their views on Brexit are very clear. They state them. I can adjust for that.

Censorship by omission is dangerous. Government secrecy is dangerous. Partisanship in the open arena is not. Anyway, very soon we may need some partisans.

DunGroanin
DunGroanin
Aug 4, 2020 11:16 AM
Reply to  Moneycircus

You didn’t answer my questions, any of them about your interest.

Your last sentences are as good as an admission – thanks at least for that.

I will remind all non-civilians in the fray – Following Orders – is not a legitimate excuse and defence.

The expropriation of genuine freedom fighters against oppression by their enemy is heinous – Binra should know that – as you know that UKC can not be anything other than a DS op.

NicS
NicS
Aug 4, 2020 11:32 AM
Reply to  DunGroanin

Slander after fearful slander but no evidence

George Mc
George Mc
Aug 4, 2020 11:59 AM
Reply to  DunGroanin

Knowing the source of info can be helpful but it is certainly true that you can’t just issue a blanket condemnation on all info from a site deemed “dodgy”. I found out a long time ago that there are all sorts of mind twisting operations going on – one of which is to “taint” good info by linking it with a dodgy site. Indeed much of this COVID strategy seems to me to be built around such attributions of “improper” background motives e.g. linking COVID skepticism with a “libertarian” outlook.

kevin
kevin
Aug 4, 2020 8:55 PM
Reply to  George Mc

One certainly doesn’t need to be a libertarian to be skeptical of the Covid narrative, but I don’t quite understand the automatic dismissal of all things libertarian. Libertarianism originated on the left and has a long tradition.

George Mc
George Mc
Aug 4, 2020 11:25 PM
Reply to  kevin

I’ve been through various pointless arguments about basic political positions with lots of commenters on OffG and on various other sites and I find them to be futile. Instead of wangling over nuances of outlook and arguing over terminology where everyone disagrees over the definitions, it’s much more beneficial to observe what’s happening and simply draw conclusions from that. I think the hostile partisanship gets you nowhere.

Moneycircus
Moneycircus
Aug 4, 2020 12:06 PM
Reply to  DunGroanin

My interest? I’m interested in their content but not involved in their production in any way. I have no connection with UKC.

DunGroanin
DunGroanin
Aug 6, 2020 11:08 AM
Reply to  Moneycircus

Fine be interested. Be independent minded. Make up your own mind.
All laudable – but why the need to echo what they say in such detail?
You could just as easily put a short summary and link?

You don’t see that as amplification and shilling?

My comments here have often been delayed or now have started to disappear.

I have no idea if someone has replied as my email notification has been suspended.

You guys approve of that?

George Mc
George Mc
Aug 4, 2020 10:52 AM