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Do Americans Dream of Capitalist Sheep?

Hiroyuki Hamada

Democratic presidential candidate former Vice President Joe Biden and his running mate Sen. Kamala Harris, D-Calif., arrive to speak at a news conference at Alexis Dupont High School in Wilmington, Del., Wednesday, Aug. 12, 2020. (AP Photo/Carolyn Kaster)

It’s capitalism after all. Those political parties for the rich and powerful know how to sell exploitation and subjugation by their good cop/bad cop marketing. If you don’t buy this, you get Trump. But if you buy what they sell, you get Biden, an imperialist with the crime bill, Patriot Act, and the rest of the schemes for the rich and powerful.

W.E.B DuBois talked about this in 1956 saying:

I shall not go to the polls. I have not registered. I believe that democracy has so far disappeared in the United States that no “two evils” exist. There is but one evil party with two names, and it will be elected despite all I can do or say.”

I don’t think there was real democracy founded by slave owners, but you get the idea. Since then, people have kept voting for over a half-century. Now three people own the bottom half of the wealth of the US. The feudal hierarchy is backed by 800 military bases across the globe with piles of weapons of mass destruction.

In the US, people have no healthcare, education is gutted, no legal rights, 1 out of 5 children are starving and so on. The system works tremendously well to keep the feudal hierarchy.

Just like any moneyed social institution, the political institution is structured to serve the rich and powerful. This is just like how colonialism works. The colonizers come to steal land and resources, and they dominate every aspect of your life. If you follow the rules shaping the hierarchy, you get to live in reservations as second class citizens. If you complain, they manage to declare “love it or leave it”. If you complain more you could end up in prison or even be killed.

Why is Leonard Peltier still in prison when George Zimmerman walks free? The essence of exploitation and subjugation is rooted in the origin of the whole enterprise, and it keeps going. Fear of murder, rape, theft and torture lurk beneath the flimsy label of “democracy”.

Those who benefit from this, as well as those who are afraid of exclusion and unsavory name-calling, desperately scream “you must vote”, “a vote for third parties is a vote for Trump”, “don’t be stupid”, “don’t be selfish” and so on.

Those words come out of people who screamed “black lives matter” yesterday, asking you to vote for the father of the crime bill. Last year his running mate Kamala Harris managed to say that the Colin Kaepernick phenomenon was orchestrated by Russians. I guess if they have to bomb countries full of brown people, it’s not very good to get rid of racism. She knows her role in the empire very well.

By the way, they also claim that their political opponent, Trump, was placed in his position by Russians. People should remember that the Democratic Party supported Trump as a pied piper candidate — meaning that he was so ridiculous that people would rather vote for their candidate Hilary Clinton. But the manipulation went a little too far, enough so that Trump actually became the president.

I mean, Donald Trump, the loud-mouthed reality TV star with gilded gaudiness and shadiness actually became the President.

This has triggered the privileged class status quo tremendously. They want their ways of colonizing, militarizing and corporatizing with class and righteousness, the way President Obama delivered it. They want an agonized Black man doing his best, yet resulting in seven wars, big bank bailouts, deportation, surveillance state, loss of legal rights, militarized police, drone killing and so on, instead of the embodiment of a loony Uncle Sam with lies, racism and violence asserting what the US government has always pursued.

Trump is the exact caricature of what the people of the world see: the US as the biggest bully with no taste. He is like fourth of July fireworks insisting on what the empire is entitled to. “That’s not my president” people scream. Of course he is not. That would trigger a huge cognitive dissonance. Their identity as freedom loving Americans of democracy falls apart. It’s this psychological projection mobilizing the sentiment of “resistance”.

Therefore, Trump turned out to be a godsend for the Democratic Party. He justifies the corrupt corporate political party of war, big bank bailout and neoliberal restructuring. I mean, as it’s already stated, the Party is an integral part of the American political institution which serves the rich and powerful along with their counterpart the Republican Party. The Democratic Party doesn’t have legs to stand on without evil Trump.

That makes Joe Biden a pied piper candidate. Why him? I don’t endorse any imperial politics party candidate, but Sanders, for instance, proved himself to be able to beat Trump in 2016. Why not him? After all, the Democratic Party clearly stated that it is a private entity and it can pick anyone regardless of Primary or whatever.

Biden is a hardened imperialist with a solid record of colonizing, militarizing and corporatizing. And he is more widely known as a creepy old man who can’t keep his hands off of females, any female, especially very young ones. He has also shown some symptoms of going senile as well. Why him? He is a pied piper candidate to keep the Democratic Party playing the role of savior against evil Trump.

You get two pied piper candidates. This is what happens when capitalists continue to narrow political options in order to give the illusion of choice. The lies are so inflated that there is practically nothing left that can be reasonable. And it doesn’t matter how the dice roles as long as everything stays within the imperial framework.

In fact, the more ridiculous, the more infuriating, and the more sensational, the better. It can create the illusion of a “democracy” more vibrant and lively. But there are tremendous sacrifices.

Now people would ask “so what is your solution?” I know that the question is rhetorical. How can people who have willfully ignored everything being said about the insanity of supporting the imperial trajectory listen? For those who turned into soldiers to keep their positions within the system, logic and reason become enemies in winning against anything that threatens their positions.

This is, and has been, a war against people. This is how the system of “democracy” deprives humanity from people and herds them into what they despise: fascism.

And my answer unfortunately is: I don’t know.

I do respect and admire revolutionaries who have stood against the establishment. When Fred Hampton was murdered by the US government, he was only 21. His Black Panther Party with socialist principles inspired people across the country. Patrice Lumumba stood for his people and showed the world beauty and strength of humanity.

We should all learn from experiences of revolutionaries and history of resistance against capitalist domination, and see ourselves and our communities in such contexts. And I do empathize with those who struggle with tremendous predicaments imposed by the oppressors. But after all, I am merely an artist getting stuck in my studio, covered with paint and dust. But I know one thing. Years of working as an artist has taught me that a seemingly impossible problem can only be solved by a struggle, with honesty and patience.

What hurts me the most about participating in corporate politics is that it kills our ability to reason and trust, therefore it deprives us of our ability to relate to others in truly meaningful ways. It stands to reason that the dehumanizing symptom of capitalism — deprivation of our association to ourselves, communities, nature, and our future and our history — is most prominent in ways we determine our path as a collective.

It deprives our ability to dream together based on reality and our needs—dream about our future, dream about our children and dream about all the wonderful things in life. And it brings tears to my eyes with sadness. But I am certain that I am not alone.

I am speaking to you who are like me. We are many. And there will be more of us.

Hiroyuki Hamada is an artist. Exhibiting widely in gallery and non-commercial settings alike, Hamada has been the recipient of a Pollock-Krasner Foundation grant, twice received New York Foundation for the Arts Fellowships in sculpture, and was awarded a Guggenheim Fellowship. Alongside his career as an artist, his writing can be found at various outlets online.
For a differing opinion on this topic read W Stephen Gilbert’s article here.

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Martin Usher
Martin Usher
Aug 22, 2020 12:09 AM

You have to think global but act locally. The political system in the US is not a choice between two opposites but rather two strains of the same thing. However, refusing to engage makes the problem worse. I’ve been reading this sort of thing since the 1960s and I feel that all that’s happened is that we’ve gone backwards (and the statistics back me up) — the gap between the plutocrats and their like and ordinary people is wider than ever. This is corrosive to society as whole and the only likely outcome is oppression — fascism — as the only avenues to maintain power involve xenophobia, racism and general distrust of ‘the other’.

You’re not going to change this by electing a radical president. Even if this unlikely event happened then once taking office that person would be ‘tamed’ by the power structure. Or taken out by it. You have to start with a power base – an organized power base, difficult because if its recognized as a threat then it will be taken down. Meanwhile its still possible to extract useful concessions from the power structure; its not entirely stupid and assuming it hasn’t banished common sense entirely it knows that the winners literally taking all is likely to result in a wrecked game.

karenlivesmatter
karenlivesmatter
Aug 21, 2020 8:10 PM

If you like where we are at, Hug a Roth $ child… 😉

Rhys Jaggar
Rhys Jaggar
Aug 21, 2020 10:40 AM

Questions for Covid vaccinators:

  1. Have you ever heard of Respiratory Syncitial Virus and the infamous trial of a vaccine in 1966/7?
  2. Do you understand the science behind what happened?
  3. Why do you consider that knowledge to be consistent with waiving animal trials for Covid19 vaccines?

Actually, I would like to put Bill Gates on global TV, remove his right to silence, and his ability to plead the Fifth, and demand that he answer those questions.

It would be the most public defenestration of medical competence seen in the 21st century.

He would be shown to be actively stopping disease prevention through blackballing of HCQ and others; he would actively be putting human beings at risk using respiratory virus vaccines; and no doubt he would be seeking to make billions by selling ‘chemoattractant’ magic bullet medicines solely required because he stopped HCQ usage and forced vaccines on the whole world.

Moneycircus
Moneycircus
Aug 21, 2020 6:23 AM

Event Covid represents hysterical panic by the banker-led technocracy. It is a panicked response to the buckling and tottering of their failing international institutions. They have bankrupted Europe, America and Japan and have lost ability to control economies.

 Corporations no longer pay taxes. In the U.S. they account for 5% of Federal tax receipts. European nations howl about unfair competition between tax havens. Global corporations decided they no longer need nation states, except when they smell subsidies or a bailout. That’s left governments looting what remains of the middle class and having to magick up fake currency for their day-to-day operations.

 The endless wars have allowed corporations to grab resources while subverting the international order and building a lawless world in which money and mercenaries talk loudest. The same people who call for the International Institutions of World Government are the same people who have destroyed government after government: Not just Yugoslavia, Libya, Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria but they’ve cannibalized their own United States, European Union and Japan.

 Amid this rubble, organized crime is flourishing. Not the uneducated hoodlum arm-twisting a contract from local government. The elite-schooled, entitled, networked organized criminal whose family includes lawyers, bankers, politicians and defense contractors – but who are every bit committed to the idea of The Family. These people don’t kill, blackmail or sit around in political meetings – they pay people to do that for them.

 Central bank organized crime is having a problem collecting on the debt. Tax is no longer the money-spinner it once was. The monetary system is imploding. The bankers have to resort to periodically pumping and dumping the economy in order to grab assets from government and people. That system is the root of their control.

 What happens when a system based on convention and social contract collapses? For the bankers to maintain their privileged position, they must seek direct control – the right to issue digital money but more important (since money is already largely digital) the right to track that money at every stage of its journey and snip off a few percent each time it changes hands. Even better, to direct most of that money into the more productive slaves via a system of social credit scoring.

 Trouble is, the system’s not ready. The Artificial Intelligence is not ready. The police and military are still human. Their hastily-imposed medical martial law is creaking and unevenly applied. The public isn’t fully buying the need for lockdown or vaccine.

 The Corporatist Media gives it away. If the public was compliant and brainwashed, the Media would be able to maintain the polite myth of a diverse conversation.The fact that CNN screams like a shrill teenager with his crotch caught on a barbed wire fence – is because that’s what’s happened. The desperation is telling.

 These wannabe global leaders are inadequate. Politicians are predictably pathetic. It’s the pretensions of technocrats that alarms.

 Even on an institutional level the corrupt EU and UN, flail about, apparently taking their orders from the Rockefeller Foundation’s Lockstep document (2010) and the World Economic Forum’s fancy PowerPoint presentation of a Global Reset.

 Government by PowerPoint. You never knew Bill Gates had a plan for you.

 “Everything these people have planned for 60 years could come unglued almost overnight if a significant percentage of the people understood what the con game is all about.” — Gary Allen, None Dare Call It Conspiracy.

 Continued at: https://moneycircus.blogspot.com/2020/08/lockdown-is-elite-panicking-at-loss-of.html

Binra
Binra
Aug 21, 2020 9:20 AM
Reply to  Moneycircus

Organised terror – or organised rage – is cold and calculating such as to operate terror under a mind set in countering it.
That fear of death drives a sense of power struggle, becomes worship of death as power over life.
This is a ‘mind’ that is ‘set’ by a terror of which it has so deeply denied as to become identified with denial as power set in vengeance.
If we do not give or release vengeance to the ‘Lord’ or true Authority of our own being, then we become a love of hate set over a hatred of what love seems to have become.
This is an ‘alien’ will and is represented by unknowable and unlike or separate ‘mind’ to which we sacrifice life and living for ‘getting’.
(Pun intended).
Getting for a sense of lack that grows by feeding it.
And consumes us as we think to possess it.

My sense is of a core systemic self-evasion that is really a conflict evasion – reacted to as self – and protected and defended as ‘self’.
The growing dissonance within and pervading the seeming ‘victory’ over life in fantasy set upon the body, is an ancient terror – or as I more generally call it, our separation trauma.

To arrive at our starting place – and to know it for the first time.

The repackaging of dissonance or disturbance to the capacity to persist in an underlying dis-integrity is the mind of a masking reality of hidden or tacit agreements – that have rarely entered any conscious process of evaluation.

VoxiPop
VoxiPop
Aug 21, 2020 4:07 AM

Dystopian New Normals In Schools/US Moves to “Snapback” Iran Deal/Live Jordanian Guided Missile Found At Florida Airport; Evacuation

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Charlotte Russe
Charlotte Russe
Aug 20, 2020 11:26 PM

“HAVE A LITTLE SOMETHING TO SHOW FOR IT”

“Everybody complains about politicians. Everybody says, “They suck”.
But where do people think these politicians come from? They don’t fall out of the sky. They don’t pass through a membrane from another reality.
No, they come from American homes, American families, American schools, American churches, American businesses, and they’re elected by American voters.This is the best we can do, folks. It’s what our system produces: Garbage in, garbage out.
….I have solved this political dilemma in a very direct way: I don’t vote. On Election Day, I stay home. I firmly believe that if you vote, you have no right to complain.
Now, some people like to twist that around. They say, “If you don’t vote, you have no right to complain”, but where’s the logic in that? If you vote, and you elect dishonest, incompetent politicians, and they get into office and screw everything up, you are responsible for what they have done. You voted them in. You caused the problem. You have no right to complain.
I, on the other hand, who did not vote — who did not even leave the house on Election Day — am in no way responsible for that these politicians have done and have every right to complain about the mess that you created. That I didn’t have anything to do with.
So when you’re having one of those swell elections that you like so much…on that day I will be doing essentially the same as you…the only difference is when I get done masturbating I’ll have a little something to show for it.”

George Carlin



Arby
Arby
Aug 21, 2020 1:15 AM

I have no use for unprofessional behavior, wherever it comes from. I don’t like foul language. It’s not classy or necessary and it isn’t cool and I will never support it because if you don’t like a toilet world, you don’t support crap. Period. So I don’t listen to George and I don’t finish reading articles where the author has to curse (to be accepted?) But I did like the line “if you vote, you have no right to complain.” That I will use.

Charlotte Ruse
Charlotte Ruse
Aug 21, 2020 2:36 AM
Reply to  Arby

Carlin was a terrific political satirist, there’s no one today who comes close to his honesty and wit…….

Gwyn
Gwyn
Aug 21, 2020 9:46 AM
Reply to  Arby

But it’s okay to refer to excrement and menstruation on a family website such as this one, is it, Arby?

Tut, tut…

Arby
Arby
Aug 21, 2020 12:29 PM
Reply to  Gwyn

I have no idea what you’re talking about. But you know what I meant because what I said was clear. It was a simple statement. If it offended you, there’s nothing I can do about that.

Gwyn
Gwyn
Aug 21, 2020 12:35 PM
Reply to  Arby

I knew what you meant. I wasn’t offended in any way. I was joking. But I probably should have been clearer about it. My fault!

The Todd
The Todd
Aug 21, 2020 1:13 PM
Reply to  Gwyn

Irony is wonderful Gwyn. Self irony, tragic.

Gwyn
Gwyn
Aug 21, 2020 1:19 PM
Reply to  The Todd

Thanks for the insight, Todd. You provide an invaluable service.

S Cooper
S Cooper
Aug 21, 2020 10:29 PM
Reply to  Arby

Maybe you may want to mention that to George when you see him in Heaven. Oh wait, you won’t, BECAUSE YOU WILL NOT BE THERE.

Researcher
Researcher
Aug 20, 2020 8:27 PM

I love your art and your essays.

However, I do part ways with you on the issue of what we can do collectively and individually.

I think there’s a case for civil disobedience and for opting out of the control matrix the security state and its apparatus has been building to subjugate humanity into a sub class of genetically modified serfs, while simultaneously whittling down our numbers to Malthusian proportions with their mass array weapons of mass destruction.

I once believed there may not be a solution because the control matrix is so vast, so entrenched and so embedded in every aspect of society that it’s difficult to clearly view how it functions, so how do we sever the head from the snake?

We can take the opportunity they’ve given us to de-propagandize, deprogram and “deschool society“, borrowing a quote from Ivan Illich.

“Most learning is not the result of instruction. It is rather the result of unhampered participation in a meaningful setting. Most people learn best by being “with it,” yet school makes them identify their personal, cognitive growth with elaborate planning and manipulation.“

We can decentralize currency, we can nationalize our currency. We can decentralize the internet, we can opt out of google, Facebook, and other social media platforms where they collate our information and sell it to corporations without our consent.

The government, security state and industry intend to leech every cent out of us before they try to murder us with their nano particulates, their toxic chemical cocktails in our food, water, air and soil. I won’t take their poison laden vaccines, and they don’t have the right to fill our skies and homes with their cancer causing radiation.

We can dump our smartphones, we can reject their covi-pass and their global ID. We can go wired at home, we can grow our own food, share our own seed, we can transform grass lawns into vegetable gardens, balconies into herb gardens.

We can stop buying useless trinkets, gadgets and plastic. We can trade with each other outside of their matrix.

We can refuse their transaction tax, their carbon tax, their reengineering of society and the economy. Instead, we can transform our economy into one that works for us, the 99% instead of the 1% who have shown through their ruthless greed and amoral choices, they’re wholly irredeemable and generally “deplorable”.

We can open source everything.

We can boycott, divest, in corporations, not just countries.

We can choose not to participate in the fake election process that legitimizes an illegitimate agenda where the wishes, wants and will of the people are purposefully ignored, while their impersonal control grid, force marches us towards technocratic tyranny.

It doesn’t matter who is president because they are interchangeable puppets. They are vetted and chosen from the outset. Only the optics and the sound bites change, but the game always remains the same.

The one party system divided into two or more factions was never anything more than a system of self appointed elitist rule, handed down from one generation to the next, controlled by those who print the currency.

Whatever we believe about the founding fathers, many of whom were slave owners or Freemasons, it’s time for all citizens everywhere to hold up the Bill of Rights and Habeas Corpus as legal precedents that can never be suspended, thwarted or smothered by any subsequent legislation enacted anywhere on earth.

It’s time to start declassification of government documents, to end black budgets, to declare and demand open government, decentralized government, direct democracy, and for community coalitions to take back control from the corrupt cabal of central bankers and corporate criminals.

The laws must be struck down and abolished one by one until such time as freedom and democracy truly exist in reality instead of only in our imaginations.

Nixon Scraypes
Nixon Scraypes
Aug 20, 2020 11:32 PM
Reply to  Researcher

I can’t remember the article, nothing seems to have stuck!! Your reply is much better. I had a look at hiroyukis art but I’m afraid I can’t agree with you there, it’s really ugly and depressing.

Tom Larsen
Tom Larsen
Aug 20, 2020 11:35 PM
Reply to  Researcher

This post is about as useful as saying I want a better world. Without organizing collectively , that is, using our only advantage – our vast superior numbers – we can accomplish very little.
It is about as “revolutionary” as saying go vegan!

Researcher
Researcher
Aug 21, 2020 2:03 AM
Reply to  Tom Larsen

The collective action goes without saying. Obviously. There’s billions of us and a few thousand of them.

Can you take action from an idea without a detailed plan laid out for you? Or do you need somebody to tell you what to do step by step?

What are you going to do today, right now? As an individual? To help effect change?

What actions are you taking collectively?

Arby
Arby
Aug 21, 2020 1:20 AM
Reply to  Researcher

“I think there’s a case for civil disobedience” Did Hiroyuka pooh pooh civil disobedience? In any case, I do agree. The problem is we needed mass civil disobedience – before the catastrophe. We needed all of your solutions, which are good, before the catastrophe of covid 1984. We didn’t get that and were not going to because the catastrophe of covid 1984 was preceded by another catastrophe, namely the spiritual and mental ruination of the majority. Elites did it to those people and those people allowed it and now all of us, including the majority who think that enslavement is fun and cool, are suffering the negative consequences of that failure to care.

Rhys Jaggar
Rhys Jaggar
Aug 21, 2020 10:45 AM
Reply to  Researcher

Ending black budgets is no longer possible. The CIA has its own global organised crime syndicate funding its black ops. Government has no way of stopping it.

You could put Gina Haspel and Mike Pompeo on global TV strapped to torture chairs and try and wheedle the necessary information out of them.

But you would need to do to them as they have done unto others to have any chance of getting the important info out.

Barovsky
Barovsky
Aug 20, 2020 7:37 PM

I’m sorry to say (good piece by the way) the comments here have degenerated and now approach the juvenile. There was a time when debate here was quite intelligent. No more. Ah, the price you pay for ‘success’, Off Guardian.

John Pretty
John Pretty
Aug 20, 2020 8:08 PM
Reply to  Barovsky

Says a bloke who comments using the face of a young child …

A “juvenile” Barovsky, perhaps?

Barovsky
Barovsky
Aug 20, 2020 8:22 PM
Reply to  John Pretty

Correct. I think about 2. Hah, I wasn’t referring to chronological age, only the psychological age. It’s the bane of blogs. I edited my very first one around 1983 using BBS software and nothing has changed in the interim, it’s just got worse because there’s so much of the damn stuff! Analogue!

Ergo
Ergo
Aug 20, 2020 10:52 PM
Reply to  Barovsky

Who are you to judge that the comments are psychogically “juvenile damn stuff”?

What particular psychological criteria do you employ, and is it your right to slander the input of contributors to the very site that welcomes your own input?

Are you the resident psychologist for commenters?

I find such comments that claim some kind of qualifed superiority an offensive slight to the goodwill of this site in which everyone has a say.

You should apologise and rethink a little gratitude and while your there, remember the old adage about freedom of speech.

Ergo
Ergo
Aug 21, 2020 2:05 AM
Reply to  Ergo

…while you’re there,…should read

wardropper
wardropper
Aug 20, 2020 10:47 PM
Reply to  Barovsky

Don’t worry, Barovsky.
These things come in waves, but there are always intelligent comments here. You just haven’t learned to ignore the worst of them yet.

Arby
Arby
Aug 21, 2020 1:26 AM
Reply to  wardropper

Unless someone has just dropped into the internet from…?, I would say ‘expect’, always, a degree of nonsense just because those people are out there in droves. Some of them are sent and some of them are individuals who just stir things up. Randolph Bourne identified people who, during wartime, stir things up – helping the warmaking State to persecute the peaceful and the non conformists – voluntarily as “amateur government agents.” I also call them self-appointed gatekeepers. They work – in the many Devil’s workshops – alongside professional government agents, doing the Devil’s work of keeping our manmade hell hot and trying to make it hotter. And it won’t end well for them.

Tom Larsen
Tom Larsen
Aug 20, 2020 5:47 PM

Great article!
I went to your website, I really like your artwork, especially your paintings!

I_left_the_left
I_left_the_left
Aug 20, 2020 3:31 PM

You clearly deplore “the dehumanizing symptom of capitalism”. I hope you also deplore radical leftists who spend years dehumanising and spitting at non-leftist, ordinary Brits and Americans etc as racists, white supremacists, deploreables, fascists, gammons, knuckle-draggers, dumb rednecks, homophobes, evil patriarchs, religious bigots etc, etc. As such leftists would never dream of treating non-whites in this way, this is also racism against whites. Such irrational, bigoted, ancient behaviour disgusts me; Hitler did the same to dehumanise Jews, Stalin to Kulaks and various others. If leftists really want to promote justice and equality, to truly oppose the exploitation and oppression of us all by global elites and tyrants, then they must wake up, walk their talk, and treat others as their equals. They must condemn and disown those frauds among them who preach and practice hate. If they do not, they are tools that divide the people on behalf of the ruling elites, the unwitting allies of the globalists. Hating and dissing Trump, who wants to restore democracy by draining the DC swamp, is both dumb and pathetic. Gates, Soros, the woke big tech billionaires and the rest of the global elite all hate and want to end Trump and US democracy as well. Haven’t you noticed?

Researcher
Researcher
Aug 20, 2020 8:49 PM

Trump 🖤 loves 🖤 Gates, Soros and big tech. He rolls around in the swamp in his spare time, smothering his lily white body with Larry Fink and Rothschild dollars, covered in a thin film of Rockefeller oil and vaccine derived, aborted fetal tissue.

“Leftists”

This essay was about the fake two party paradigm. Take off that MAGA hat for a minute and give your brain a rest, because something is inhibiting the blood flow to your frontal lobe.

wardropper
wardropper
Aug 20, 2020 10:51 PM

You thought you had come to say your piece at a 1950s Communist Conference, didn’t you?
An understandable mistake, but a mistake nonetheless…

Arby
Arby
Aug 21, 2020 1:28 AM

Get help.

Big B
Big B
Aug 20, 2020 3:05 PM

If you want to understand something: go back to the start. For politics – which originally was a mere sociality of the households – that is originally Greco-Roman ….to Plato, Aristotle, Cicero, through St Augustine and on to Biden and Trump. No need for a genealogy: all political philosophy is Staatsphilosophie ….the subject is the state is the subject.

The state is the vehicle and the subject the medium of political philosophy and sociology: which is a purely circular and metaphysical ontology of determination and counter-determination. Which,as no one likes verbosity, is a fucking bollocks that was corrupt from the start. “Life, love, and happiness” in the pursuit of private property ….are you fucking kidding me!

What do you get with a generative state structure? Neoliberalism; an Aryan caste system; a defense of natural slavery; ‘happiness’ (eudaimonia) through identitarian and libertarian privatisation and globalisation of a nationalised super-ego that consumes the life-ground of the Earth and its interspecial families.

Something has to give in the state/subject diarchy: or humanity is going to be taking an early bath. Which is why I cannot understand the contemporary trend in ‘them-n-us’ politics as a practico-inert relinquishing of Sovereignty. Which is a pure strategy of defeatism. Which is driving the bus over the cliff as an extension of the state of emnity.

Never vote: but use our constitutive constructive powers to create an alternative sociology instead. For which we will need all that dissociated political Sovereignty. Not to be spaffed as a false and hollow vitriole in a pseudo-class conflict we cannot win: but only further immiserate and alienate ourselves with. And there is no such thing as an individual independent of the state-cultural system of history and language. Only a useless atomisation of creative embodiment and enaction within the state. Sure it is shit: but that is because we have subjectivated it that way ….mostly by abdicating Sovereignty to Trump, Biden, Hillary, or President Cummings.

No one voted for totalitarianism? Then what is an Aryan caste system, natural slavery, identity, private property, and the consumption and cannibalisation of humanity and the Earth? The state is an institutionalised self-structure; a reified hypostate created by the externalisation of the collective signification of its subjects. The same signification that creates an individual identity as a private property. The externalised generative institutionalised categories of signification are the same as the internalised generative categories of signification. Where the state/subject mechanisms of reproduction are subjectivation; externalisation; reification; objectivation; and internalisation [Berger; Luckmann; Searle (sort of)]. The state is the social reality constructivism of both itself and its Sovereign subjects.

The state/subject dichotomy is the reproduction of a fundamental dissection of reality into self/other; self/event; subject/object; subject/state (state as Capital Other); state/ecology; culture/nature divisions. The state is the ultimate dualist object: brought forth in the event of the universe of politico-juridical discourse by languaging. When we accept nondualism and nondifference as the basis of a irreducible and indivisible experiencing of life, we can change the linguistic signification of the categorial state/ subject dualism. Maybe.

At 11:59:59 ….it is a tad late. But no one would listen to the speaking of sense before. It really pays to form your alternative long before the next election ….but, hey ho!

I_left_the_left
I_left_the_left
Aug 20, 2020 3:33 PM
Reply to  Big B

Ok. But who should we support as leaders?

Howard
Howard
Aug 20, 2020 5:11 PM

Let me exercise audacity and break in here: we should support no one as leaders. Leaders are the death knell of social groupings.

wardropper
wardropper
Aug 20, 2020 11:06 PM
Reply to  Howard

It’s all a question of motivation. When all the corrupt, sociopathic wannabes have given it their best shot, we are very occasionally left with one or two who never, ever, wanted to go into politics, but who simply rose to the occasion by knowing what they are talking about and gaining a following. Then they do their best as a sense of duty, or because they simply can’t stand seeing a job badly done, and they become real leaders.
They are very rare, and the media hate them.
The media will, in fact, spend years and years destroying them, while the media owners will spend many happy afternoons showing air-heads from those same media their Ming vases and their Mozart manuscripts, with obvious delight.

Objective
Objective
Aug 20, 2020 7:14 PM

What are you a cocker spaniel?

Big B
Big B
Aug 20, 2020 7:59 PM

It’s not about leaders: it is about the principles of leading ….if that is how we want to live. Currently we co-constitute a moral virtue of monetary monopolism which breeds greed, hatred, and enmity. Our moral values are wrong. Our virtue ethics are wrong. Our values a life-blind. It would take a concerted effort of a whole morning to design a better system that was people orientated and trod more lightly on the Earth. Just about any indigenous value system would do.

Failing that: Professor John McMurtry has redesigned our onto-axiology – value ethics – for a life-coherent economy and a “life sequence of value”:

L => MoL => L’ ….where life is transformed into means of life which gives more life (L < L’). With the right morality framework and value ethics: it does not matter who ‘leads’ ….life follows life.

https://www.bu.edu/wcp/Papers/Econ/EconMcMu.htm

Arby
Arby
Aug 21, 2020 1:33 AM

We don’t all mean the same thing when we use the label “Left.” Leaders are those who you choose to follow. Some will follow egomaniacs like Trump. Others will follow those who, simply, seem wise (and possibly humble). Others will follow anarchists who seem wise. It’s a free universe.

Objective
Objective
Aug 20, 2020 7:18 PM
Reply to  Big B

No to understand it we must go back the basic fundmental principles of life, ‘COMPETITION’. I have no idea what schools have been teaching people for the last 50 yeras but its evident very few people here have even the slightest grasp of the laws of nature.

We may like to think we are seperate from natural process but we most certainly aren’t.

Big B
Big B
Aug 20, 2020 8:16 PM
Reply to  Objective

We did ‘COMPETITION’ and we made up the laws of nature to suit our own ‘red in tooth and claw’ socio-Darwinian justificatory purposes. We made up the ‘state of nature’ and placed it anterior to the submission to the Sovereign (cf. Hobbes’ Leviathan and Agamben’s deconstruction thereof). The omnium contra omnes state of nature is within the commonwealth. Which for Hobbes, meant civil war. If you want to submit your life to the absolutist authority of a divine King: feel free.

For others: it is time we tried altruism, empathy, mutual aid and COOPERATION. Which, from observation, Kropotkin et al and the perennial ecodharma can see is just as prevalent in nature.

You’ve been watching too many Jordan Peterson videos on Gootube. People are genuinely kind if and when we break out of this fucking oppressive system of COMPETITION!

Objective
Objective
Aug 20, 2020 9:07 PM
Reply to  Big B

Hmm i’ll take science over philosophy or religion every time, thanks.

Evidently the facts don’t support your deluded assertions, but for some reason i expected better from you than adhom, bs.

Its selfish co-operation because of an inability to compete where competition may mean mutual destruction. But its not altruism.

Look around you, whats kind about our society? Need I remind you it is “kindness” that is killing both people & economy. Don’t even think about blaming the establishment, its socialist values that facilitate this nonsense.

As it is kindness that feeds identity politics & cancel culture, so please don’t be so kind.

Big B
Big B
Aug 20, 2020 10:50 PM
Reply to  Objective

Science disproved self-interest maximisation and rational actor theories. It is very hard to ‘prove’ altruism: hence science is limited in this respect. But anthropologically: for 300K years we lived in small bands of up to 100 without much problem. It might not have been utopic: but the recent excavations around Gobekli Tepe make it look as though it could have been the pre-historic Burning Man ritual festival site. With hunter gatherers and early agrarians partying till dawn.

8bn people cannot live like that, though. Regression and atavism are out. But are you seriously suggesting that we compete for the last drop of oil and last loaf for the Hunger Games delectation of trillionaires?

I cannot remember his name: but an ecologist likened our 300K history to a calender year. In comparison: the COMPETIVE Cartesian/Darwinian synthesis appears at 20 seconds to midnight. So much for COMPETITION?

I am putting forward that we do not yet fully know ‘human nature’: because we are so entangled in ‘human being’. Which is a conceptual and highly econometric and ‘scientific’ image of man ….as Homo Oeconomicus. Which was debunked by science, Simon, Kahneman, Tversky et al. We have never reached our full potential: because of a highly distorted and dissociative ontology of linguistic conception ….which is the ecodharma.

Ad homs? I apologise if you thought so. I was just messin’. I actually have a lot of time for Peterson and constantly refer to his magnus opus: Maps of Meaning: the Architecture of Belief. Recently: not so much …but he was kinda my alter ego.

Objective
Objective
Aug 20, 2020 11:54 PM
Reply to  Big B

I’m not suggesting, advocating or otherwise offering anything other than truth, that truth is all life on earth is regulated through natural process.

Socialists may not like it or even understand it but one of the fundamental natural processes is competition for natural resources. It occurs within our species & with other species. You do what you have to to survive.

Communism is a wonderful concept (if you enjoy committee meetings) but it can only work (as you rightly point out) in very very tiny “communities” of voluntary like minded people, symbiosis. It is impossible to replicate large scale without sliding into totalitarianism.

Socialism produces nothing it is in reality parasitic. Where as capitalism is predatory.

I have no idea what the solution is to our present predicament, all i know is i value freedom over security more & i’m willing to take risks to maintain it, so libertarianism seems a practical solution & if humans are as kind as you assert & competition irrelevant to civilization whats the problem with it?

I think deep down we both know why libertarianism doesn’t really work. We are products of our environment try as we do we can not separate ourselves from nature, Libertarians would likely end up killing each other competing LOL.

Rhys Jaggar
Rhys Jaggar
Aug 21, 2020 10:54 AM
Reply to  Objective

One obvious solution is self-sufficiency. You know: the smallholding farmer being self-sufficient and trading their excess production for other goods they do not make themselves.

The thing is: the drive for totalitarian power is not compatible with that, so the totalitarians will seek to destroy any grouping promoting such a mantra.

My solution is to send the billionaires to Mars with a one-way ticket. But I doubt they would be able to stop themselves trying to reconquer earth in future….

Big B
Big B
Aug 21, 2020 1:36 PM
Reply to  Objective

We are distinctly and dissociatively NOT products of our environment. Empricism – environmental sense data – was written out of our philosophy from the start ….in favour of a disembodied rationalism of mind. Philosophy proceeds from the abstract, the general, the transcendental, the universal to the particulars of the specific and sensible. It is a mind to environment inverse mapping: a metaphysical philosophical overlay. And never the other way around.

What has substance – Being – is abstract and transcendental. What is particular and empirical – i.e. environmentally situated beings – have none. The mind pre-maps the territory.

This is the condicio sine qua non (the so-called “but-for” condition: i.e. there is not other reason) of the compounding and convergent crisis we face. Our mind is elsewhere ….somewhere. And its autonomous mapping is anti-life.

Reversing this situation – to ground the universality of the mind in the particulars of our sensations, feelings, and emotions is the only reversal possible. That is the embodiment of the econometric excarnation of mind in the affectual, perceptual heartmind. Which entails the praxis of yoga (Yogācāra: used in its broadest sense of any body-mind integration practice).

We change the map by reversing the direction of the mapping. From an affectual sensual situatedness to the ….Hell, do we even need an overdetermined abstracted political-juridical map if we can all feel an intra-empathic field?

Rhys Jaggar
Rhys Jaggar
Aug 21, 2020 10:51 AM
Reply to  Objective

What is killing people and the economy is the commands of the ueber-billionaires, the WEF and their acolytes.

There is no kindness there, whatever.

And the only socialism going is socialism for billionaires….

Rhys Jaggar
Rhys Jaggar
Aug 21, 2020 10:49 AM
Reply to  Objective

Actually competition is not the truth: what is critical is control. The type of competition that leads to control involves threats, violence and mass hypnosis.

You can be the most brilliant innovator on earth, but if parasitic psychopaths steal your innovations, you can be dirt poor and the parasites can be filthy rich.

The laws of nature tell us that morals and principles serve very little purpose other than being a construct to accept the above.

Kalen
Kalen
Aug 20, 2020 2:08 PM

The only morally sustainable and rationally justified position of US citizens is to boycott this sham of elections and for those living elsewhere I say ignore it as nothing will change regardless US foreign policy regarding long developEd program of imperial expansion social and control ordered by global oligarchy and executed by deep state controlled governments.

However, sure enough, millions will participate in this charade as they did decade after decade with the same result; zero.

Below a fragment of five years old Pre COVID essay that addresses issue of phony elections, and why majority of people routinely and continuously lied to by political establishment still will cast their meaningless vote declaring in fact not their will but their enslavement and submission to the powers via one of public ritual called elections.

Why army of electoral zombies, despite all undisputed evidences of political capture and corruption of US political and electoral system by corporate interests still likely will go through meaningless ritual of another rigged elections serving no other end but individual expression of absolute submission to the ruling power of oligarchy and their security and intelligence apparatus , a biennial sacrifice to the political Gods of this abhorrent US regime of war, exploitation and death.[also “COVID” death]

They will keep voting for the same reason as millions of electoral zombies in every 20th century openly totalitarian regime, including Nazi Germany voted diligently and meaninglessly, always with so-called civic duty, patriotic propaganda twist to obfuscate brutality of the regimes and greed of establishment leadership.

But still they voted, voted in millions in an ancient ritual of active submission of a slave to masters via act of participation in ceremony of casting ballot, as symbolic sacrifice to raw power and opulence, a perverted form of communion of victims with their executioners.

Why?

While in every country answer is somewhat different, mostly due to ethnically, culturally, nationally diverse propaganda narratives, they share major elements with the US.

The overall answer to that question in the US is rampant opportunism, hypocrisy, cowardice and totalitarian culture of raw fear and submission instilled in the population, and representing implicit recognition of fallacy of proudly proclaimed American freedoms and democracy where there is none.

And tacit acknowledgement that this is inverted totalitarian regime we all are living under, combined with a deeply rooted fear that the regime will seek cruel revenge and painful punishment of those individuals who challenge its rule and do not submit to its hidden powers that nobody dares even to utter or admit [without being accused of being conspiracy theorist, becoming out SSR of pariah] while expecting, praying or begging for mercy of a shred of privilege by those who wholeheartedly submit to the rulers as Tocqueville and Mills discovered independently analyzing American society in space of one century.

As they posited, when men want to rule without seeming to do so, .. because they cannot [openly] lay claim to the required legitimacy, they will rule invisibly and “benignly,” shielding themselves behind the rhetoric of popular rule.

Although “authority [in the US supposedly] formally resides ‘in the people,’ . . . the power of initiation is in fact held by small circles of men.”[In hands of behind the scenes ruling oligarchic elite]. This is not to be known. There is the risk that power becomes identified by its true colors. “That is why the standard strategy of manipulation is to make it appear that the people . . . ‘really made the decision’” (ibid., 317).This is the idea behind allowing people or as Lippmann described them “meddlesome spectators” to engage in politics and to go through in fact meaningless voting ritual.

[In the US we have,] .. to use Sheldon Wolin’s terminology, .. a nominal, managed democracy,” political form in which governments are legitimated by elections that they have learned to control,” form of government that attempts to keep alive appearance of democracy while simultaneously defeating democracy’s primary purpose, self-government.

As quoted above both, Tocqueville and Mills, identified hidden menacing power structure of fused state and private tyranny [also called Deep State] and its rules of control that are hidden, subtle unutterable, unspoken about, power that denies itself as power under guise of false free choice and propaganda of democratic participation.

The mere existence or if necessary exertion of this hidden power is the key ingredient in fragmenting population, producing masses of “sheeple” who lack capacity of self-understanding or even recognizing that they are being directly controlled both individually and collectively, that acquire their irrational/self-defeating behavior within a political realm.

Such a behavior or habit is aimed solely to quell an urge, or addiction to escapism into certain politically induced motions instigated by dread of alienation and if needs be, a threat to their very physical survival as rejected, abandoned and ignored, [even rejected by terrorized in fear family members themselves], and ultimately treated as menacing strangers to the society stripped of their humanity often targets of political or socioeconomically instigated intimidation and violence.[like COVID skeptics]

Voting is one of those motions engraved, instilled in any totalitarian culture also taught to all American newborns like a Bible of American political religion by their mothers petrified of loosing their households on a whim of oligarchy or illness and fearful, full of loathing fathers, frightened [of losing job and income] , consumed with a siege mentality, prone to violence and mistrust of other fellow human beings.

Most of Americans are politically “monkey” trained from their crib to the grave so they succumb to a totalitarian culture they are fed with. They are regurgitating fantastic tales, lies they have been told or shown, implied or imposed on them at home, at school, at work, in Church, on internet or MSM media, sports activities, social institutions, authorities, government, military and elsewhere without a shred of deeper thought. It is fundamental characteristic of totalitarian society of control where choice has been “happily” limited to a razor-thin slice of unreality.

Fearing wrath of hidden powers Americans are told to believe so they believe. They are told to vote so they vote.[they’re told to lockdown themselves so they lock themselves up at home] They are told to forget so they forget and so on. It applies to most of population with exception of free citizens who woke up from torpor and are leading morally and intellectually independent, self-determined lives as much as they can and suffering for it dearly from invisible hands of the ruling powers and millions of their minions.

Eyes Open
Eyes Open
Aug 20, 2020 3:26 PM
Reply to  Kalen

When Bernie Sanders inexplicably pulled out of the race at the last minute I realised he was a liar like all the rest.

Red Covair
Red Covair
Aug 23, 2020 4:55 PM
Reply to  Eyes Open

“Inexplicably pulled out of the race”? Bernie Sanders also, as “inexplicably”, started then fighting for the election of “his pal Joe”, the guy who represents the exact opposite of all Bernie Sanders was supposed to represent and struggle for for his supporters. Let’s only mention Medicare4All… Joe won’t even “get the issue on his desk” if he’s elected! Of course as he’s a pawn for big pharma.
When you come to think Bernie Sanders was supposed to be the best progressive candidate the US corporate presidential system was to propose to the US voters. That thought only shows how effed up the US corporate political system is. The US corporate world must simply disappear from the US political world. Total fascism is the only place they can lead the US nation. Or any nation.
There is no other option to get democracy back and working for all than a new 3rd non-corporate people’s party. It is the only viable option.
As for violence and revolutions, we know perfectly well whose job it is in the US to instigate “color revolutions” and “regime changes” all around the world.
These deep state dark forces are perfectly able to operate that “change” inside the US. But of course it only leads to fascism and dictatorship.
Watch closely Nancy Pelosi’s game… She’s “first-in-line” whenever things should “develop” towards “the necessity” of a president elected by the House to guarantee “the continuity of government”. She very well might become in the US what the US instigated by acknowledging Juan Guaido “real president” of Venezuela, against legitimately elected president Nicolas Maduro.

I_left_the_left
I_left_the_left
Aug 20, 2020 3:50 PM
Reply to  Kalen

In totalitarian societies, there are no votes, no voters, and no way to peacefully remove the ruling party. These privileged elites seek total control over every aspect of ordinary plebs’ lives, freedoms, thoughts and future. No human rights exist, criticism risks prison and/or a horrible death. But democracy prevents all this, which is why people in totalitarian societies like the defunct Soviet empire, communist China and NK, dream of freedom, justice and democracy, where people can remove the frauds and failures ruining their lives, cultures and nations. They see that American people can peacefully remove Orange Man Bad in November, and are completely free to insult and abuse their elected president every single day. The victims of real tyranny know that no-one will ever be able to do such things in totalitarian hells like communist China and NK, or Islamist Iran. Ask Hong-Kong protestors now in special trains to endless imprisonment and likely torture, or any of the estimated 3m Muslims, Tibetans and other dissidents now facing sterilisation, death and organ harvesting in Chinese concentration camps alone. And please note that Trump is the only leader fighting for those people, while leftists only fight Trump. They never smear Yellow Man Good and his many appeasers and spineless servants.

Kalen
Kalen
Aug 20, 2020 5:04 PM

Hitler conducted four elections and referenda in 13 years in power, Stalin every four years so Mao or Kim Il Sung. Only some US supported regimes sometimes suspended voting and ruled by decrees if their outcomes seemed uncertain losing for US Supported puppets . Today we live under medical dictatorship and still MSM pretends we have democracy, All dictators make sure their tyranny looks like democracy using tonnes of lipstick on dictatorship’s pig.

Elections have nothing to do with democracy. Ancient Greeks democracy did not have any elections at all as they ruled directly. All government collective functions were filled by random draw from citizenry or from those who volunteered.

karenlivesmatter
karenlivesmatter
Aug 21, 2020 8:08 PM
Reply to  Kalen

woah, nicely done

gordon
gordon
Aug 20, 2020 2:08 PM

alex jones said long ago that the arabs saudi house
ran hollywood : )

w. h. o. are the musselamics above so below?
the friends of tim osman aka osama bin blah blah
the friends of shimon simon elliot aka isis al bagdaddy

maybe the ashkanazi and the khazars have been taken over?

it could be an antattick thing
the creatures are loose

image jpeg is simply hideous
satanick monsters

P R Ivy
P R Ivy
Aug 20, 2020 1:53 PM

One has to feel for the Americans, over and over again they vote for what they think they are voting for only to find out they voted for more of what they voted for to stop. Whatever one thinks about Trump (twat) one has to accept he appears to be very non establishment hence the bizarre theatre we have seen played out, in fact they even have white vans going around New York City with loudhailers saying “fuck Trump” they been doing it ever since he got in, imagine how that would have went down had it been an election before and folk were saying “fuck Obama”? On a psychological level I think it could be argued that it is highly likely Trump knows that the deep state in the USA is the Brits, they never really went away, hence why America was allowed to grow and prosper whilst other former colonies left divided and impoverished, When Trump put his hands on the Queen, and also walked in front of the old crazed hag for me it was him saying, “I know, and just want you to know, I know” sort of thing, he would have been briefed to high heavens on protocol so he knew what he was doing, question is, what motivated that behaviour, I say its because the UK is the USA’s deep state and he knows it.. On that alone I hope he wins another term.

In the event of the fix working and Biden in, then I would advise Americans to tear the whole system down and start again as it will be obvious that the experiment of government has failed. Either that or bring in a brand new revolution by voting for the Green Party, MAGA works,but thats never going to happen bearing in mind that only just of 50% could be bother to vote last time, why should they bother this time?

I_left_the_left
I_left_the_left
Aug 20, 2020 4:41 PM
Reply to  P R Ivy

You call the Queen an ‘old crazed hag’, thus insulting and alienating millions who admire and respect her. And she’s so obviously innocent, in no way responsible for any of the pandemic and subsequent authoritarian control over us all. Do you hate our Brexit voting grandparents too? Also, it’s utterly counter-productive; how can anyone fight injustice and improve the world like that? What leftists need to do is stop showing how they hate everything and start uniting everyone with a positive vision, especially if they don’t want to help the globalist elite. Stop attacking non-leftists and ancient symbols you’ve been taught to mindlessly despise. The elites just love you for that, they are using you to divide popular opposition. How they must enjoy seeing leftists attacking dangerous, oppressive queens and statues instead of them.

Howard
Howard
Aug 20, 2020 5:16 PM

There is a web site called “Who Owns The World.” It lists the ten largest landowners on the planet. Check out some time who’s number one on the list.

John Pretty
John Pretty
Aug 20, 2020 8:11 PM
Reply to  Howard

Let me guess, is it by any chance a woman who by law is not permitted to vote in elections?

wardropper
wardropper
Aug 21, 2020 5:12 AM
Reply to  John Pretty

How that must upset her…

Howard
Howard
Aug 21, 2020 2:56 PM
Reply to  John Pretty

More proof that a vote cast is a vote wasted. I bet the lady in question would pit her crown against my vote any day.

Barovsky
Barovsky
Aug 20, 2020 8:24 PM

I don’t know about ‘crazed’ but she’s definitely old and don’t think hag does justice to a multi-millionaire and the biggest landowner in the UK.

Researcher
Researcher
Aug 22, 2020 7:57 PM
Reply to  Barovsky

Which she inherited by an accident of birth. She shouldn’t own any land, that should be public land, because these lands were stolen, including all commonwealth land.

I particularly like the film of her and her family using the Nazi salute.

The Royals are eugenicists and directly linked to the central banking cabal and security state through the Pilgrims Society.

To pretend the royals are just innocent bystanders in the atrocities of wars, genocides and bioweapon release on the public is to be completely ignorant of their monetary, familial and political ties to eugenics, war profiteering and technocracy.

Barovsky
Barovsky
Aug 22, 2020 8:05 PM
Reply to  Researcher

Who exactly, is suggesting that, as you put it, “pretend the royals are just innocent bystanders”, it certainly wasn’t me but your response is directed at me.

Objective
Objective
Aug 21, 2020 12:45 AM

the Queen……….innocent

Now you’ve really let the side down. ‘shakes head @ i left the left

wardropper
wardropper
Aug 21, 2020 5:24 AM
Reply to  P R Ivy

The USA doesn’t need the UK to be its deep state. It is perfectly happy to have its own apple pie version. In fact it doesn’t need the UK for anything at all, and it usually makes that quite plain on official visits. Blair’s infantile fawning on Bush is a good example, while even Bush’s limited intellect found it perfectly easy to appear condescending and tolerant towards Blair. It really should have been the other way round, but it wasn’t.
The USA already owns the western world, and the UK is dispensable. This is not advertised, but it is quite clear to anybody who looks under the surface. Even the Queen, with all her money, poses no threat to Washington, because Washington has the ammo.

karenlivesmatter
karenlivesmatter
Aug 21, 2020 8:09 PM
Reply to  wardropper

well the chozen ones are laughing all the way to the bank… the World Bank that is… say hello to the NWO

Moxiod
Moxiod
Aug 20, 2020 1:22 PM

Relentless criticism is as destructive as corruption itself, if it offers no solution or hope:

Without democracy and its institutions, processes, rules and bodies that make it work, even in the corrupted form we have today, we the people will find ourselves in conversations with some very unsavory Generals, who hold very unhealthy views on race, religion and freedom, but hold a gun to our and our countries head.

Although I’m not surprised, I’m disappointed that this artist doesn’t know what the solution to this form of dictatorial monopoly ‘democracy’ is or even speculate abut what it could be. The solution is clearly to found new parties and for the population to vote for them. Because there is NO other route to freedom than through democracy.

There are many at large who offer no solutions to our corrupted democracies, they only offer desperation, and veiled criticism of democracy itself. These I suggest are bad actors also, driving us towards dictatorship as the only solution as much as the neocons and warmongers are.

No hero, no general, not single leader is going to make stuff better, without mass popular support. As Jimmy Dore has concluded after watching this American freak show for decades: there is only one way this is going to change and that is via people on the streets demanding change and demanding representation. I would demanding representation through their democracy.

aspnaz
aspnaz
Aug 20, 2020 2:41 PM
Reply to  Moxiod

Violence is the only solution: the USA will get there and the rebels will have queues of countries waiting to supply arms, not least from South America and China.

Rellion
Rellion
Aug 20, 2020 3:05 PM
Reply to  aspnaz

Supply arms and close their borders to the ‘criminals and rapist’ fleeing the murder and chaos.

I_left_the_left
I_left_the_left
Aug 20, 2020 4:43 PM
Reply to  aspnaz

Leftists endorsing hate and violence is why I left the left. Trump fights hate and violence so much better.

I_left_the_left
I_left_the_left
Aug 20, 2020 4:47 PM
Reply to  Moxiod

Leftists used to shout ‘power to the people’. Now they appear to hate the only peaceful way to give people power over politicians: democracy. Hitler, Stalin and Mao all removed people’s right to vote, then their guns to really make the dumb plebs defenceless.

wardropper
wardropper
Aug 21, 2020 5:32 AM

The last leftist died several years ago, and 1950 was 70 years ago.
Please keep up.
What we have now is a mutant breed of neo-liberals who, for reasons best known to themselves, are trying to fill the gap created by the extinct Labour Party.
The Labour Party itself used to have among its membership people of a “leftist” persuasion, but we are now in the 21st Century, where such things are unheard of.

Maxwell
Maxwell
Aug 20, 2020 12:39 PM

While we were sleeping Florida just approved the release of 750 million genetically engineered mosquitoes over the next two years. Texas will follow suit.

What company is responsible for this development? Oxitec.

Who funds them? The Gates Foundation.

Howard
Howard
Aug 20, 2020 1:12 PM
Reply to  Maxwell

Things like these new fangled mosquitoes prove my point: there is no hope for humans unless we abandon every last vestige of our God obsession. First we worshiped a pretend God in the sky; now we worship our latest pretend God: ourselves.

We can create, re-create and in every other possible way assume dominion over existence. What’s worse is that we actually imagine we’ve succeeded.

I_left_the_left
I_left_the_left
Aug 20, 2020 4:55 PM
Reply to  Howard

If you want more unity against oppression, a bigger and more effective ‘we’, then does it help to insult religious believers? (And I bet you’d never dare insult Muslims like that). I left the left because leftists started practising elitist bigotry and hate against those unlike themselves, instead of fighting it. That’s oppression, not fighting oppression.

Howard
Howard
Aug 20, 2020 5:25 PM

I remain, as always, an equal opportunity atheist. I pillory anyone and everyone who places cardboard images ahead of human images. As for Islam, its “true believers” deserve the most vigorously applied contempt of any people on the planet. Why? Because they seek to destroy the most important thing humanity has: its past.

Relics, from an age and a culture ruthless even by today’s standards (such as the Assyrians), that are wantonly destroyed as if ancient walls were “idols” (I speak here of Nineveh), are humanity’s legacy, to be studied. The same goes for the Confederate monuments wantonly destroyed because of changing societal values.

I would say I have more respect for the Chinese than any other people on Earth – because they value their ancestors and their past.

I_left_the_left
I_left_the_left
Aug 20, 2020 7:30 PM
Reply to  Howard

When possessed by communism during the cultural revolution, ordinary young Chinese people destroyed their amazing heritage with astonishing enthusiasm. BLM protestors attacking statues and western history may be similarly afflicted with this hate for the past (iconoclasm), but not yet so seriously…

“The idealistic youth of China—primed by the victim narrative of socialism, educated by institutions controlled by the CCP, devoted to Chairman Mao, enabled by his fiat, and inspired by the revolutionary fervor of their comrades—unleashed perhaps the most destructive campaign of iconoclasm ever. Buddhist and Confucian temples were razed, scrolls and books burned, statues smashed, paintings destroyed. The noble dead were dug from the earth, publicly hacked to pieces and the fragments burned. All feudal names were changed. Yongyi Song writes, “By the end of the Cultural Revolution, 4,922 of the 6,843 officially designated ‘places of cultural or historical interest’ in Beijing had been destroyed.” At Qufu Temple the grave and temple of Confucius was desecrated and 6,618 registered cultural artifacts (including paintings, books, stone stele and 2,000 graves) liquidated.”

https://areomagazine.com/2019/04/11/iconoclasm-and-the-erasing-of-history/

That’s a great read

wardropper
wardropper
Aug 21, 2020 5:57 AM
Reply to  Howard

We can’t even create a single living cell, or any other thing which could be termed, ‘alive’.
Of course I am familiar with the infantile claims to the contrary, all of which turn out to be rehashes, new combinations, or synthetic imitations of ‘life’, but not one single scientist has created a living thing out of non-living material.
It hardly even matters whether one calls it ‘God-given’ or not. The fact remains that we are all conscious of ourselves as alive, and recognize the life in other forms of nature as something we cannot imitate at all. We can imitate the forms, but not the life.
I think you are right to imply that the new-fangled mosquitoes represent nothing more spectacular than yet another example of men meddling and tinkering with things beyond their grasp, but God, or even man-as-god, doesn’t really come into it. The inspiration for this comes from Hell – a concept with which many of us are far more familiar than we would like to admit.
Perhaps Bill Gates will get bitten by a few million of these new mosquitoes. A fitting Eleventh Plague of Egypt for an immoral, narcissistic tyrant.

Moxiod
Moxiod
Aug 20, 2020 1:26 PM
Reply to  Maxwell

Who doesn’t regulate them? your government and the master de-regulator the Trump regime.

Oxycot
Oxycot
Aug 20, 2020 1:27 PM
Reply to  Maxwell

Moxiod
Aug 20, 2020 1:26 PM
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Reply to  Maxwell

Who doesn’t regulate them? your government and the master de-regulator the Trump regime.

I_left_the_left
I_left_the_left
Aug 20, 2020 4:56 PM
Reply to  Oxycot

Do you think Gates and corporate America hate Trump more than you do?

Counter Economist
Counter Economist
Aug 20, 2020 1:42 PM
Reply to  Maxwell

Where is the oversight that allows the release of GMO mosquitoes with the RNA vaccine in them?

Another thing that Kill Gates is funding is pharming, blending pharma and food.

I’ve suspected for a long time that this is the underlying motive to promote the zoonotic diseases narrative to scare people from not only going outside the “bubble” into the countryside, but also to stop people eating natural food products.

This then enables companies that produce fake man made meat (Gates funded) to put pharmaceuticals into the food that converts you into Human 2.0 without you knowing.

This really is as sick as it gets.

And with what Alex Jones is saying about putting people into “bubble cities” drugging and arming them up with drones and robots to attack people in the countryside is coming by 2050 science fiction is becoming science reality.

aspnaz
aspnaz
Aug 20, 2020 2:44 PM

What this really teaches us is that we should never have allowed such a small group to gain so much power. Trouble was we were all asleep or playing on the internet.

I_left_the_left
I_left_the_left
Aug 20, 2020 5:02 PM
Reply to  aspnaz

Or insulting and demeaning millions of others with different politics who also oppose the elites. No popular unity is possible like that.

kevin
kevin
Aug 20, 2020 6:04 PM
Reply to  aspnaz

It’s entirely unfair to blame everyone. The vast majority, yes, but not everyone was asleep or playing. Some were trying to wake the others.

I_left_the_left
I_left_the_left
Aug 20, 2020 5:00 PM

Jones has always opposed and revealed political and corporate corruption. That’s one big reason why he got banned from social media. But leftists just applauded the big tech and MSM censors. Rethink?

Counter Economist
Counter Economist
Aug 21, 2020 11:39 AM

We are the early ones who have woken up, we need to lead by example and stop acquiescing and reject the rules.

Do you think Australia isn’t coming to rest of the world?

It will be here I can assure you.

Researcher
Researcher
Aug 20, 2020 10:34 PM
Reply to  Maxwell

Those mosquitos are bred to contain Zika.

Maxwell
Maxwell
Aug 21, 2020 2:04 AM
Reply to  Researcher
MASTEROFUNIVERSE
MASTEROFUNIVERSE
Aug 20, 2020 12:20 PM

Sigmund Freud likened artists to ‘incipient introverts pining after the love of women’. Frankly, after reading this lesson in navel gazing I, for one, am inclined to agree.

Artists should be seen and not heard unless they are musicians.

MOU

John Pretty
John Pretty
Aug 20, 2020 8:12 PM

I never did like Freud much. Overrated.

Objective
Objective
Aug 20, 2020 12:16 PM

Feudal hierarchy, colonialism, royalty as inherently abhorrent as they are, are not capitalism, they may meet the Karl Marx definition of capitalism! But there are COMPETING narratives to what capitalism is, like socialism it most certainly is not a free market where every one has the opportunity to succeed or fail through COMPETITION.

The system has evolved an hierarchical structure, issuing greater power to some over others by default this generates corruption. Even if not intentionally, individuals will always protect their prejudices & values and that will be reflected in their power & privilege. All social species have a hierarchical structure, it is unavoidable simply because not all people are equal, equally greedy, equally egotistical, equally empathetic equally selfless, equality attempts to suppress COMPETITION for individual benefit. Its why communism always fails and reverts to totalitarianism & why all forms of socialism must be by definition authoritarian.

What we are witnessing now is a cultural war, traditional values are being eroded (intentionally) at all directions by a contrived conscious attempt to take power not just from the dominant hierarchy but from all of us to be taken over by a technocracy ruled by self serving elites (highly COMPETITIVE INDIVIDUALS). Forming political rival group seeking power through manipulation, coercion & force. COMPETITION.

Arguably “democracy” is a new concept (in terms of our species evolution) for most of our existence we have lived in small family groups that competed with rival family groups for food resources, this concept has gradually grown over tens of thousands of years through tribalism, nationalism etc. Its simply COMPETITION for natural resources, as technology has grown so has our ability to form bigger groups with COMPETING desires. The ultimate goal for highly COMPETITIVE individuals is the take over of the world & its minions. Its been the desire of certain individuals from Genghis to Blair for millenniums.

The monetary system quickly evolved from bartering resources & skills to control aspirations of others, our species has succeeded in becoming the most dominant over all others through control & manipulation as society grows in size & expands in definition the greater control we impose on others, giving more power to individuals to passively COMPETE for our own survival. Yes the theme here is COMPETITION. COMPETITION is a natural phenomena, so what i am saying is, COMPETITION is a natural instinct. So the hypocrisy of many of these articles and individuals attempting to prevent COMPETITION is simply a strategy to COMPETE with other political doctrines. Try as you might you can not dismiss COMPETITION, an egalitarian society is the impossible Utopian dream, it is sold to us to COMPETE for our loyalty but simply hands others powers over our future taking away our ability to COMPETE.

I’m all for a fairer, truthful, kinder society, it can not be found under the guise of a socialist doctrine, because collectivism for the common good is an impossible outcome, it just gives more power to rulers who become more corrupt. You must COMPETE to survive, those unwilling to COMEPTE will fail. Homo sapiens will always be divided in their values, these articles are as much propaganda & divisive as anything the main stream dish out. Propaganda isnt necesarily dishonest or untrue it is simply a means of control & manipautlion to COMPETE for your assistance to COMPETE against a rival dogma! Drip drip of the same narrative until its subconsciously adopted.

COMPETITION is unavoidable & therefore conflict is inevitable, we as a species produced politics as a strategy to try to prevent serious violent conflict (often failed). Using terms such as good & evil are emotional nonsense, as is morality there is no right of wrong in nature, we developed laws against murder & rape as a COMPETITIVE survival strategy of mutual benefit, because we as individuals don’t want to be killed, but those laws do not prevent us being murdered. COMPETITION is a natural process it can not be eradicated anymore than mortality! Being encouraged to unite is simply a COMPETITIVE strategy to overcome a COMPETITOR!

I’m a libertarian to avoid COMPETING for my individual selfish benefit LOL. With freedom comes risk, but for me personally that’s an acceptable risk. For group think & group benefit you must give away your freedoms as shown in Australia, what modern society defines as democracy, which is eroding any form of COMPETITION through COMPETITION to become dominant, by enslaving everyone under its reach! That is the future of civilization & I personally find that an unacceptable outcome. The sooner civilization & the system implode the better, forming anti-COMPETITIVE, COMPETITIVE groups will only prelong the agony of the inevitable. Coivid19 real or fake is simply another tool used against us to COMPETE for power & we adopt it for our personal survival at our own peril!

George Mc
George Mc
Aug 20, 2020 12:51 PM
Reply to  Objective

Capitalism is defined by the passage of a system where money is the middle term between commodities to one where the commodity is the middle term between money flows. This is why capitalism has no upper (safety) limit. The competition which you seem to idolise is expressed capitalistically purely in terms of maximisation of money flows. Such maximisation cares nothing at all for tradition or culture or religion or nationality. Indeed, it cares nothing at all for the use value of products. That is why capitalism is so deadly – indeed the deadliest virus of them all.  

Objective
Objective
Aug 20, 2020 1:19 PM
Reply to  George Mc

That is of course one opinion, an over intellectualised view in another opinion (mine). I don’t “idolise” competition (trust me I’m as noncompetitive as they come) I recognise it as an unavoidable, natural process!

I’m all for the abolition of the money fiction.What i say isn’t what i believe in its what i understand to be the truth. Beliefs & facts are two different things.

Objective
Objective
Aug 20, 2020 1:51 PM
Reply to  Objective

That is why capitalism is so deadly – indeed the deadliest virus of them all. 

You say that with the belief a virus is a bad thing, (nature has no right or wrong) but the fact is a virus (pathogen) has an ecological function in its inter specific competition to survive & dominate.

That function is natural population control removing weak reducing competition among the fittest! But the virus doesn’t seek to kill, it is self defeating, an evolutionary dead end, it seeks to multiply by picking healthy victims by becoming less deadly. So your analogy is a good one but a seriously flawed emotive one.

George Mc
George Mc
Aug 20, 2020 3:21 PM
Reply to  Objective

The metaphor of capitalism as virus is one that John McMurtry used. Actually, McMurtry said cancer, not virus. And there is a fit in that a cancer operates by disguising itself against antibodies which is how it manages to proliferate without being detected. Similarly, capitalism disguises itself as “the market” or “competition” or “nature” etc. and is none of those things. It substitutes images of health and growth for depredations.  

George Mc
George Mc
Aug 20, 2020 3:43 PM
Reply to  George Mc

Having looked again at McMurtry, I see that his argument can even be accepted by an anti-Marxist. He is saying that the “free market” principles of Adam Smith have been inverted:

“The real free market was a great advance of the community’s control
of its own life when it was no longer subjugated to kings, lords or municipal monopolies for the privilege of its existence. It was an opening of liberty when ordinary individuals could freely exchange with each other in a public space to acquire the foods or crafts they chose to produce or buy. Money here was not a weapon to reduce others to instruments. Money in the real market is a universal medium of exchange that enables individuals to transact across differences of jobs and goods without incommensurables of worth standing in the way.
 
We might conclude that the real free market is truly ‘individual’, ‘free’
and ‘democratic’ as a social form of life. While these properties are also claimed by the global corporate ‘market’, its justifications draw on
properties of its opposite, the real free market, to sustain the profound
confusion between them. There is not an argument made by ‘libertarian’ theorists like Milton Friedman and Robert Nozick, for example, that does not in some way trade on the confusion between these completely different and radically incompatible forms of life. The fallacy of equivocation at work here would invite our hilarity as ideological pun if it were not so indoctrinated into the corporate culture as a starting point of thought.”

I_left_the_left
I_left_the_left
Aug 20, 2020 9:26 PM
Reply to  Objective

Do you think the pandemic could or would have happened without the work of Chinese researchers in Wuhan? They seem very proud of what they found and stored, as this publication in ‘Nature’ shows. Here they explain how they only sought coronaviruses that would infect humans directly. The questions of how covid19 got released and whether it was ‘enhanced’ or not are still undecided.

https://www.nature.com/articles/nature12711?fbclid=IwAR13dLP-B4mOYlfWlwkl9Ciys5jaHmUeenjgQjjkbp0cwPVWuSOBrHYk9SA

Objective
Objective
Aug 20, 2020 9:39 PM

Honestly without being sarcastic, i really don’t waste time thinking about it at all. There’s 3 options.

  1. its an act of nature, a zoonosis that naturally evolved & jumped species.
  2. a virus that escaped a research facility
  3. a man made or contrived natural pathogen that’s been introduced as a bio-weapon.

Its irrelevant really we are where we are, a political coup. I can tell you who won’t win, socialism!

For the record organizations such as nature are politically compromised, true science rarely gets an audience because it doesn’t generate profit or meet an agenda.

George Mc
George Mc
Aug 20, 2020 1:53 PM
Reply to  Objective

I appreciate you civilised tone – and I know that I have not always been civilised. Also, as that great philosopher Frank Zappa once said, “People will agree with you only if they already agree with you. You don’t change peoples’ minds”.

It seems to me, from various conversations I’ve had here, the words “Marx”, “capitalism”, “communism” etc. provoke an emotional response where it seems futile to argue. Fair enough. Nevertheless, we all share the same world and are thus subject to its very real pressures.

David Harvey ran a course on Marx’s “Capital”. It has been videoed and there was, for me, an unforgettable exchange when one student put up her hand and said that the value system Marx described was only one possible value system. Harvey said that although you can have as many value systems as you like, the one that Marx described is the one that hits you the moment you go out the door, and in fact the moment you wake up – and indeed ceaselessly in the outside world during your sleep. That’s what I have come to think. (And I don’t want to think it!)

Objective
Objective
Aug 20, 2020 2:08 PM
Reply to  George Mc

I neither like or believe in capitalism, and yes Marx was really just describing what he observed & those that choose to label themselves ‘capitalist’, we can debate the definition of words all we like but unfortunately what dominates is because it is part of a natural process, competition.

But If we attempt to subvert that, what will we get tyranny? I do know when we stop talking we only have one option left open to us, violence! Its a mad world i don’t think there’s a comfortable ‘civil’ solution.

George Mc
George Mc
Aug 20, 2020 3:15 PM
Reply to  Objective

I think you have to ask what you mean by “competition”. If it’s a sporting event then fine – it’s harmless. If it’s a case of seeing who is best at passing a quiz then again – it’s fun. But raised to a universal principle it’s dodgy at best. You may as well say that cooperation is the foundation of nature. Well cooperation is certainly the foundation of human civilisation. How could any civilisation even exist without cooperation?

Incidentally, one point of view, which I think is worth considering, is that Darwin’s “survival of the fittest” (which I think is what you have in mind here) is a projection of capitalist ideology onto the whole of the natural world. This was summed up by Engels:

“The whole Darwinian theory of the struggle for existence is simply the transference from society to animate nature of Hobbes’ theory of the war of every man against every man and the bourgeois economic theory of competition, along with the Malthusian theory of population. This feat having been accomplished … the same theories are next transferred back again from organic nature to history and their validity as eternal laws of human society declared to have been proved.”

Objective
Objective
Aug 20, 2020 7:49 PM
Reply to  George Mc

It has nothing to do with 5 a side down the park or quiz night down the crown & sceptre. Its the fundamental principle of life, the law of nature & nature has very few. The most profound law being natural selection, intra & inter specific competition is an ecological process that has shaped all life on our planet, it still does & always will.

Nature has no “foundation”, there’s no NATURAL order, its not planned, nature is chaotic without rules! One year Liverpool maybe the best team in the country, next year relegated to the bottom of the division. Whose at the top is decided by whose best adapted to their environment at any moment in time, if you cant compete you ain’t going to make it to the FA cup.

(I hate not interested in football BTW so if there are any mistakes in my analogy that’s why.)

Co-operation in nature exists but it isn’t for benefit of a collective (the herd) mutualism improves individuals chances of survival or breeding, the ecological function of mutualism or symbiosis is simple it allows the passing of your genes. Some social species such as the African wild dog form social hierarchical packs (of related siblings) where only the top dog is allowed to breed, however often a second female in the pack will also produce offspring in that instance the top dog is often brutal in its final solution, but the benefit is stil there if you help your sister to raise young.

A Herd of deer form large groups for the avodiance of predation but when resources are diminished they selfishly separate. I see everything through of a prism of nature & natural process. Homo sapiens are simply a highhly evolved primate, we like to think we are above nature & subvert natural process to live out of nature but mother nature is patient the time will come to rectify our arrogance & naivety that time is drawing closer, its natural process.

I know you wont like this bit, but its what i believe & nature offers the evidence that proves its a fact, its not said to offend anyone or their personal beliefs, but socialism can not compete because it is authoritarian & vice versa. Its why it will always fail, there is no example of scoialism that has succeeded, forms of capitalism have always ruled. You don’t have to like it to understand it. We can all assert how atrocious the US treatment of iran or venezuale is but the simple fact is neither can compete with the ruthlessness of capitalism.

George Mc
George Mc
Aug 20, 2020 8:10 PM
Reply to  Objective

Analogies are always just that – analogies e.g. whenever we humans talks about “competition” we mean a human activity developed within a human framework i.e. there are rules which have been formed through a long process. And there are many forms of competition.

Neither co-operation nor competition – in the sense we understand these words – can be said to exist in nature because these processes take place between individuals and there are no individuals in nature. There are certainly separate creatures, but they are not “individuals” in the human sense. Indeed, even in human history, the concept of “individual” that we currently have is a fairly recent development. And it was the capitalist system that paved the way for it. Previously all individuals were subsumed under hierarchical categories.

Your entire concept of nature is seen through the prism of our current assumptions about ourselves – and these assumptions are shaped by the ruthless competitiveness of capitalism which contrary to your statement has not always ruled or even existed. It is only a few centuries old. Furthermore, no other system has been so dynamic or changed so much. And it continues to change. The worst thing you can do is to mindlessly “eternalise” our current assumptions.

Objective
Objective
Aug 20, 2020 8:50 PM
Reply to  George Mc

The great void between us can not be bridged!

I have no “concept” of nature, its proper term is science, (ecology) based on provable fact! The truth behind competition has been understood for centuries its older than the discipline of ecology itself.

It may serve well if you looked up the dictionary definition of individual. Trying to intellectualize nature is like trying to explain theory of evolution to a creationist, and quite honestly your knowledge of ecology (science) rivals that of a flat earther!

George Mc
George Mc
Aug 20, 2020 11:11 PM
Reply to  Objective

We all work with concepts. We cannot do otherwise. And your astonishing pronouncements on competition suggest that you have taken one of the most recent cases of fetishized “Science” to a whole new level. The Darwinian theory of natural selection and enshrinement of competition was a 19th century concept and most certainly had not been around for centuries. (And once again it is a concept since all theories are concepts and are open to modification or even rejection, this being the true scientific method.)

“Intellectualising” is, like conceptualisation, an inescapable path for all human beings i.e. we all do it all the time.

But this fixation on “ecology” suggests that field of “deep ecology” which is a reactionary and misanthropic gesture of despair that would prefer to see the extinction of the human species rather than any movement to a new society.

So, I agree we must part our ways.

Objective
Objective
Aug 20, 2020 11:30 PM
Reply to  George Mc

We all work with concepts.

No we really don’t, i work with established fact.

19th century concept

The scientific discipline of ecology was conceived in the 1950s/60s!

recent cases of fetishized “Science”

However still older than the concept of academic socialism.

true scientific method

Scientific method, isn’t true science, true science is the study/observation of nature.

“ecology” suggests that field of “deep ecology” which is a reactionary and misanthropic

You should never conflate the scientific discipline of ecology with the belief based ideology of deep ecology, i have deep ecology sympathies but understand the difference. deep ecology is emotive, true ecology is objective.

I’ve noticed a theme in all your responses they quote other peoples thinking. You seem happy to tell others what they think, but have you ever formed your own opinion on observation & critical analyses? Or do just obtain your opinions from other peoples writing?

George Mc
George Mc
Aug 21, 2020 3:34 PM
Reply to  Objective

You work with the “established fact” of…something called “competition” that is apparently hard wired into the entire cosmos? And all this bypasses mere “concepts” – so I presume there are no thoughts in your head at all and your cranium is equally hard wired into the cosmos.

(Incidentally – there are no finally established facts in actual science. Everything is constantly up for review. That’s what makes it science as opposed to dogma.)

The scientific discipline of ecology was conceived in the 1950s/60s!

I was talking about this odd religious magnification of “competition” which according to you “has been understood for centuries its older than the discipline of ecology itself.”

Scientific method, isn’t true science, true science is the study/observation of nature.

This “nature” happening completely independent of us? And no “method” as with no “concepts”? Hell – it’s as if “we” aren’t there at all. Are we tuning into the mind of God directly?

I refer to other people’s writings because all knowledge is communal. It advances through debate and not through an autistic turning inwards. But of course, if you have direct access to the mind of God, then you must be on a higher plane to me and everyone else.

I_left_the_left
I_left_the_left
Aug 20, 2020 9:54 PM
Reply to  Objective

Capitalism is an economic system, not a belief system. It is originally freely-agreed trade to mutual advantage, available to all, needing no coercion or controllers to thrive. Socialism is a belief system about what we should do with the wealth produced by workers and businesses. It requires political controllers and legal coercion to control and redistribute the fruits of our labour. Capitalism produces wealth, socialism exists only to control wealth. Capitalism does not exist to limit socialism, but socialism only exists to limit capitalism. Capitalism must always precede socialism, which it does not need; socialism only exists by depending on capitalism. If socialists can’t persuade plebs to support them through peaceful democracy, then bye bye democracy and power to the people.

Objective
Objective
Aug 20, 2020 10:07 PM

Can’t argue with that but i know some who will, socalists are like no14 buses you have to wait a while but then lots turn up all at once to ruin your day.

aspnaz
aspnaz
Aug 20, 2020 2:57 PM
Reply to  George Mc

Great fan of Frank Zappa. I think people are gradually changing their own minds about what is going on. People are starting to see the new rules as long-term rules, that the new rules will become the Status Quo (had ot get them in there too), giving that nagging feeling that something is up and that this is not just defence against Covid.

I_left_the_left
I_left_the_left
Aug 20, 2020 10:05 PM
Reply to  aspnaz

We can vote out authoritarians, and choose those who put their people before their power. That’s why I support Trump the anti-politician.

aspnaz
aspnaz
Aug 21, 2020 12:37 AM

But maybe a Trump victory is what the Dims need to escalate the violence and radical changes wrought by governors? I too support Trump, but his victory will be the start of the real battle.

I_left_the_left
I_left_the_left
Aug 20, 2020 9:40 PM
Reply to  George Mc

Maybe Harvey had lost faith in other, older value systems such as Christianity, and that explains why he found Marxist belief so impressive. A devout Christian would not. Or maybe he became a believer when young, as I did. But I think he was mistaken to say we can have ‘as many value systems as you like’. Values aren’t easily chosen, if at all. It’s more like dominant cultural values choose or indoctrinate us. In my three stints studying at various UK universities, and my teaching experience at several others, I don’t recall any academic colleague or student ever professing or promoting anti-Marxist values. I think the truth is that most university students today have only one value system to ‘choose’ from: Marxism. Marxists say they love cultural diversity, but they rarely tolerate intellectual diversity.

George Mc
George Mc
Aug 20, 2020 11:23 PM

I assume you are a Christian. I am not and I doubt if Harvey is. But the attempt to turn Marx into the prophet of a new religion is a familiar manoeuvre.

Your comment about value systems is correct and a good rebuttal of Nietzsche who wanted us to “choose our values”. As you point out, this is something you cannot do.

However, you have a fundamental misunderstanding of the term “value” as it is used by Marx. He would also admit that you cannot choose your value system. But he was talking about objective values i.e. how it is that items are rated in our world. Most significantly he was talking about the value of labour. Why is one session of work input rated differently from another? How are the relative values formed? And the point Harvey is making is precisely that these matters are not decided on an individual basis. These matters are like apparently immutable facts confronting everyone all the time. Harvey’s student was assuming – in typical subjective fashion – that we could all choose our own systems. Harvey said, correctly, that this was not the case. “Marxism” is not a value system that anyone chooses. It is a proposed description of the way the world actually works.

Rhys Jaggar
Rhys Jaggar
Aug 21, 2020 11:27 AM
Reply to  George Mc

I disagree with Zappa: it is absolutely possible to get people to agree with you if you achieve this by providing insights they did not have before.

You cannot change someone’s mind who has had access to all the facts.

The reality is that most people do not have access to even a few of the facts, let alone all of them.

So by providing new information and evidence, their opinions can change.

Not will change, but certainly can.

I_left_the_left
I_left_the_left
Aug 20, 2020 5:17 PM
Reply to  George Mc

Capitalism is freely-agreed trade to mutual benefit at heart. No coercion is involved. It’s an economic system, not a group of evil individuals or even nations. It’s available to everyone should they wish. By contrast, socialism is a political system that only exists to control and redistribute the fruits of our labour according to an imposed agenda. To exist, socialism requires a capitalist economy to take control of through state coercion and control, capitalism exists and thrives without these things. Socialists are a political class who use us workers and capitalists, including my granny’s old sewing business employing 2 girls, for their own ends. Remember, socialism coerces, capitalism does not. I’m sure you reject my reasoning! But maybe we can agree on opposing the absurd monopolies, subversion of democracy, and endless exploitation that elitist corporate capitalists do practice. Obviously, individual capitalist businessmen can be just as evil, corrupt and power-hungry as authoritarian socialist politicians

George Mc
George Mc
Aug 20, 2020 7:54 PM

I appreciate you attempting to find common ground. But I must explain my own reasoning which is indeed very different from yours.

As so often you assume that our problems stem from a “corrupted” capitalism or a “phony” capitalism in which the issue is that some “evil” individuals have hijacked the system. Meanwhile some equally evil people labelled “socialists” are waiting in the wings. All of this presupposes some “pure” capitalism that would work if only we would let it. At which point you give me the usual sales pitch – 

“…freely-agreed trade to mutual benefit …No coercion is involved…available to everyone should they wish…” etc.

So here’s where I reject your reasoning. Capitalism is a curious system which appears “free” and certainly marks an advance over the feudal system before it. The difference is significant.

Under feudalism, domination was a matter of direct political power. The lords exercised direct control over the masses. This was obvious. The peasants had their own land and produced their own goods but then had to hand over part of their produce to the lords.

Under capitalism, the workers own nothing but their labour power. The capitalists own everything and employ the workers to produce. The product is already owned by the capitalists who “very kindly” permit the workers something back in the form of wages. In other words, under capitalism the exploitation/ coercion isn’t “visible” because it is built into the system itself.

We have always lived in a capitalist world. Everything in it is built around capital. Everything in it shows the tendencies of capitalism. The only limitations on the system were imposed after a long hard struggle to assert protections – which were then described as “socialist”.   

And the “absurd monopolies, subversion of democracy, and endless exploitation that elitist corporate capitalists do practice” are simply intensifications of the way that actual capitalism works once those restraints have been undone.

So we agree on the current situation. But disagree on the roots. Perhaps it won’t matter? What happens next is what counts.

Rhys Jaggar
Rhys Jaggar
Aug 21, 2020 11:35 AM

Capitalism as you described it exists only in the smallest SMEs/entrepreneurial groupings. It absolutely does not exist amongst trans-national corporations.

At the mega corporation level, cartels exist, monopoly capitalism exists and being above the law exists.If you think Bill Gates’ science is the best, you are deluded. What he is best at is monopoly global capitalism. His Microsoft products were always third rate, but he eliminated better competition through political fixing. He is doing the same with vaccines….

Socialism is currently practiced by billionaires. They choose their ‘socialism-for-billionaires’ puppets as political ‘leaders’ and get them to absorb all their losses collectively, let them keep all their profits personally and excuse them from all the laws that the socialist collective must endure. You know: taxation, buying off Attorneys General, doing deals with the Fed and the SEC.

You think Elon Musk is a capitalist? Dear me.

You think Sheldon Adelson is a capitalist? Dear me.

John Pretty
John Pretty
Aug 20, 2020 8:14 PM
Reply to  George Mc

Emigrating to China, George?

George Mc
George Mc
Aug 20, 2020 8:34 PM
Reply to  John Pretty

No – because I am not Chinese and have no familiarity with whatever the system is out there. Yes, I know all about the Western vision of “communist totalitarianism”. Whether that was ever true or indeed whether China can even be considered communist, I don’t know. I can only base my ideas on what is happening here. And what I have come to understand is that we in the West only have a rosy smiley face vision of capitalism because of unrepeatable historic circumstances – primarily among them, a strong economic position related to the rest of the world just after WW2 and a series of concessions made due to a very strong labour movement and the example of two successful revolutions. The ruling class was forced to compromise.

But these conditions have changed dramatically. We are economically crashing fast and there is no labour force worthy of the name. What that means is that we are about to see the emergence of pure raw capitalism. And we have had plenty of warning about what that will look like.

I_left_the_left
I_left_the_left
Aug 20, 2020 5:03 PM
Reply to  Objective

After the implosion of society, who will lead us? Dictators or democrats?

Objective
Objective
Aug 20, 2020 6:55 PM

Dude thats my point, WTF do we need rulers & leaders for? If we repeal all regulation & rules I can provide everything i need myself, myself. We only require basic principles of common law to protect us from violence & theft.

I_left_the_left
I_left_the_left
Aug 20, 2020 7:34 PM
Reply to  Objective

I like the anti-government slant, but who will ‘repeal all regulation’ and will it be peaceful? Also, will you be defending your own family, friends and community with guns, or will you need a police force and laws?

Objective
Objective
Aug 20, 2020 8:00 PM

Your not understanding libertarian doctrine are you.

There’s no centralised governance, no formal judiciary, the rules & regulations are a neo-liberal construct, they would just evaporate there’d be no police force to beat you into submission, no corrupt judicial system to throw us into inhumane prisons, .

Hell yeah you’d defend yourself if you fail then you die its the law of nature. Alternatively you could have basic common law principles where you pay for a arbitrator, but it doesn’t require centralised power.

That’s the the issue, the billion dollar question, it requires brutality to regulate brutality, so which is right & which is wrong? Morality is a modern societal concept it really has no place in life! And thats also where politics comes into it.

Rhys Jaggar
Rhys Jaggar
Aug 21, 2020 11:37 AM
Reply to  Objective

Well, you have 100 million Gunfights at the OK Corral in the USA, but please do not leave your country of choice.

The whole point of government is to avoid everything being decided by guns.

I cannot wish you well holding a philosophy like that….

Oggy
Oggy
Aug 21, 2020 5:59 AM
Reply to  Objective

Agreed! Now for the real work towards Non Hierarchical structures,surely we/us need to have a Structure.Your thoughts?

Donald Duck
Donald Duck
Aug 20, 2020 5:53 PM
Reply to  Objective

Errm, you evidently seem to have a fixation with the word COMPETITION. Actually capitalism does not like competition at all. What it does like is monopoly, oligopoly, increasing market concentration, involving mergers and acquisitions, takeovers, vertical, horizontal and diagonal integration and various forms of RENT-SEEKING. That is actually existing capitalism not textbook capitalism. Oh, and almost forgot there are industrial cartels which manipulate both price and output levels.

Peter Jennings
Peter Jennings
Aug 20, 2020 12:09 PM

IMO, corporate politics is the problem. That, along with the bribes, has permeated every global business strategy. In return this rotten and corrupt global business strategy has permeated every political office and is protected by the judiciary and the media.

The US polls have Biden out in front, so the same forces at work during Hilarity’s attempt to fool the american electorate are still at work trying to help Biden find the whitehouse. I’m sure his nursing staff would know the way.

Two things are possible, in the plutocratic chain of democrat hierarchy it’s Biden’s turn to be president, or the democrats are fielding a non-contender because they know the next election is already beyond them.

Sanders won’t get a look in as he is closer to socialism, the US version anyway, than any other in the party. Although how he can call himself a socialist is anyone’s guess. When the very rich get to set the socialist agenda, it’s always a mess and way off the mark.
The democrats don’t really want that. They are more interested in pushing a false socialistic agenda they can bastardise and manipulate.

Capitalism works fine when there isn’t a maniac at the wheel and when corporate spoiled politicians are prevented from removing safeguards put in place because of previous financial scandals.
The electoral and political process needs to be taken from the hands of big business and big finance.

Eyes Open
Eyes Open
Aug 20, 2020 2:54 PM
Reply to  Peter Jennings

Capitalism is working fine now. The billionaires are getting what they want.

Peter Jennings
Peter Jennings
Aug 20, 2020 5:58 PM
Reply to  Eyes Open

The billionaires are getting what they want due to the stupidity of people who revere convenience over privacy and love their social media at any cost.
These same stupid people will be fair game for anything the gov’t has in store after the potty training of mask wearing.
Ultra left, ultra right, they all have the latest tech supplied via capitalism.

I_left_the_left
I_left_the_left
Aug 20, 2020 7:41 PM
Reply to  Peter Jennings

I guess you aren’t ultra anthing, nor a billionaire, nor one of the stupid people you obviously look down on. So where do you fit into this picture?

Peter Jennings
Peter Jennings
Aug 21, 2020 12:47 AM

Einstein had lots to say regarding the stupidity of people in general. Was he accused of looking down on people when they were being stupid?
Personally, i don’t look down on these people. I am more interested in planning an escape route. Life’s too short.

Most people put their whole lives on one social media site or another making it very easy for rogue gov’ts and stalkers, god forbid. Coupled with the tracking device everyone seems to carry these days, present location and everything one does is known 24/7. Isn’t that reassuring?
Adults tell their kids not to post too much personal info on the web. Then the adults go and do exactly that.

When all the info is available into how these social corporations are operating a surveillance system hell bent on subverting the freedom of choice, and many just ignore it. In the long run, that’s pretty stupid.

These corporations are also selling all their users data to the highest bidder. This personal info makes it way via the sticky fingers of numerous private corporations run by spooks and ex-spooks to anyone who wants it.

I_left_the_left
I_left_the_left
Aug 20, 2020 7:39 PM
Reply to  Eyes Open

Sorry, naive. Billions of people depend on the capitalist economy, which has also lifted the world out of poverty, not created it. To back up such beliefs, you need to falsify serious arguments like those here:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2015/12/19/its-not-capitalism-that-causes-poverty-its-the-lack-of-it/#5fbcd8f75613

Eyes Open
Eyes Open
Aug 20, 2020 8:10 PM

Show me where billions of people have a choice.

Objective
Objective
Aug 20, 2020 10:14 PM
Reply to  Eyes Open

What do you mean?

Objective
Objective
Aug 20, 2020 10:13 PM

Poverty is relative based on what other people have. That’s why i’m a libertarian by nature even if not a true libertarian in practice.

I don’t care what other peoples aspirations are & detest judgemental society & that’s what socialism basically is, judgemental.

Eyes Open
Eyes Open
Aug 20, 2020 11:46 PM
Reply to  Objective

The rich are rich because they siphon up the collective profits created by workers. Hence Amazon workers collapsing from exhaustion and Jeff Bezos.

Objective
Objective
Aug 21, 2020 12:35 AM
Reply to  Eyes Open

Thanks for supporting my comment.

I agree capitalists are predatory, & often infested with socialist parasites!

Why do ya think, those down trodden abused workers don’t start their own amazon? Do you think consumers will happily convert to socialist amazon & pay more for their cooperative junk, rather than stay with corporate amazon prices?

I_left_the_left
I_left_the_left
Aug 20, 2020 10:12 PM
Reply to  Peter Jennings

Democrats could also be fielding a non-contender because they know Biden will be a very good puppet for a radical agenda that most Americans reject and would never vote for. Obama is very active in this respect. Trump supporters also fear record levels of voter fraud by the Democrats, and point to their constant efforts to install postal voting in November as an obvious cheat.

Thom
Thom
Aug 20, 2020 11:34 AM

It’s not saying a lot, I know, but I’d say Trump has been a much better President than either Bush or Obama, who in my opinion are both despicable individuals. It would be great to have a JFK, an FDR or even a Carter but unfortunately there isn’t one running.

Eyes Open
Eyes Open
Aug 20, 2020 11:05 AM

So, Biden and his kommandant are actually using self-repression, impeded air flow and potential lung infections, emotional distress, lowered immunity, surveillance and totalitarianism as a sales pitch to win over the Democrat vote?

Moneycircus
Moneycircus
Aug 20, 2020 10:12 AM

Guns and Butter podcast – “Memoir of a World Watcher” with Diana Johnstone on her new book, Circle in the Darkness.

European austerity is the result of banks using EU countries as milk cows – and pushing them to the brink to extract the maximum cream. From 32 minutes

Yellow Vests are reviving the economic left – a response to the massive repression of the working class. From 39:30 minutes

Yet the establishment left accuses the Vests of racism and sends in Antifa to “check them out for bad attitudes”. Yellow Vests were much more violently repressed than the BLM demonstrations because the Vests threaten the economic system and BLM does not. Their demands have been vindicated, such as financing health care – the Lockdowns were justified by the fact that hospitals were too ill-funded to cope.

Antifa is a misplaced fixation on fascism – a limited historical consciousness restricted to the first half of the 20th century. There are two versions of Antifa: a street version and an online version. The street version inspires those youth looking for a physical enemy to fight. Young people don’t know fascism. They learn only about the Holocaust so they see fascism as genociders to be crushed at any cost, which distracts from the real, existing form of power, which is a NeoLiberal power.

There is also an online Antifa, whose specialty is labeling anti-war activists and writers as “red-brown”, red for left and brown for fascist. If you are against NATO intervention in Syria they will say you are really a sympathizer with the ‘fascist’ regime of Assad. If you criticize the banks and corporations you are anti-semitic and conspiratorial. They attack people mostly on the left, acting as a militia to enforce the establishment position.

http://gunsandbutter.org/blog/2020/08/05/memoir-of-a-world-watcher

Eyes Open
Eyes Open
Aug 20, 2020 11:13 AM
Reply to  Moneycircus

The Yellow Vests are not radical when you look at their list of demands. They’re not calling for a workers revolution. Just less neoliberal cruelty. The EU is a neoliberal project that uses economic murder by austerity (Maastricht Treaty).

I wonder if Antifa is secretly state funded and designed to thwart protest and to sell the idea of fascism and to discredit anti-fascism. The world is a nightmare at the moment.

Paul_too
Paul_too
Aug 20, 2020 12:14 PM
Reply to  Eyes Open

“I wonder if Antifa is secretly state funded and designed to thwart protest and to sell the idea of fascism and to discredit anti-fascism.”

Of course they are. Anyone who’s been involved in any demonstrations where Antifa show up know they are/have always been infiltrated by state agents. It’s always a lone player or two nobody else knows, hidden behind masks, who kick off the violence. And that negates anything that could have been achieved from the non-violent action, exactly their goal.

Peter Jennings
Peter Jennings
Aug 20, 2020 12:21 PM
Reply to  Eyes Open

Antifa are funded by the deep state and other anarchy lovers. The funding and the anarchy will stop when a democrat president is elected into office.
That said, the republican party record whilst in office isn’t that good either.

I_left_the_left
I_left_the_left
Aug 20, 2020 7:53 PM
Reply to  Peter Jennings

All parties you mention and many, many more (eg big tech, corporates, the UN) would happily imprison Trump, minus a few Republican patriots. What should posters conclude?

Donald Duck
Donald Duck
Aug 20, 2020 6:21 PM
Reply to  Moneycircus

Red-Brown. Or Brown on the outside, Red on the inside. This was a motto of the Nazi Storm Troopers (the SA Sturmabeitilung) who fought street battles with the Communists and Socialists in Germany during the 1920s and 1930s. It was no coincidence that the Swastikaflag was nearly completely red in order to attract the communists and their supporters to what was the National Socialist Bolshevik Revolution. They were disbanded in 1934 after their leadership – Ernst Rohm, Otto and Gregor Strasser were murdered on what was to become known as ‘The Night of the Long Knives.’ The mass executions were carried out by Hitler’s own praetorian guard the SS (Schutz Staffel). The SA had become an embarrassment to Hitler and the Army didn’t like them nor did the German industrialists or Prussian agrarians in the East.

I_left_the_left
I_left_the_left
Aug 20, 2020 7:46 PM
Reply to  Moneycircus

I agree with most of this, minus the victims of online Antifa. I’ve seen little evidence of them attacking anti-war leftists, but many attacks on anti-left critics like me. But any leftist endorsing violence and war is a hypocrite and betrays the movement I once admired.

DunGroanin
DunGroanin
Aug 20, 2020 9:49 AM

Pretty good.

The Dems know that they still haven’t atoned for Hillary’s ‘right’ to the throne failure. The Republicans were gutted out and replaced by a pantomime villain for her path to be cleared.

Unfortunately the voters do count – even in the imperfect democracies where their votes are muted and ignored by various electoral colleges (US) or first past the post systems like the U.K.

Hence the postal vote fraud.

The only way of ensuring Corbyns defeat – on top of a December election/ a media monstering as a judaeophobic lie/ the usual bollocks about spending ‘taxpayers’ money/ being a Remainer at the same time as a closet Brexiteer/ being pro Putin terrorist lover etc etc – the GAUNTLET , by the ex head of the CIA a thug of the DS praetorian mercenaries who strifes the planet demanding war where ever he puts his boot.

Yes Trump knows the same PV ballot fixing that gave the coup victory against Corbyn; that delivered the BrexShit referendum; that is run by the DS big data conglomerate CGI out of Canada (where is Frei anyway as Trudeau rips off his mask and Prorogues the Canadian Parliament?)

Coupgate lies are going to be daily exposed to the US voters and they will vote Trump back in – unless being robbed by the fake postal votes.

Trump was an outsider. Not a politician. Supporter of the Dems more than Reps – a New York wide boy wimp who got a proper job as a TV entertainer finally, and was picked by the US Crown as the patsy, fool to usher in the Queen Hillary – who sure as hell was intent on getting her payoff after a lifetime being a DS servant – don’t forget she started out as a Rep and was than partnered with Bill as they both did their ground work for Bush seniors Cocaine Import Air America operation in their state.

Yup Trump knows he was supposed to lose and the plan of what was supposed to happen when Hillary attained her crown – which came as a surprise to him. Her duplicity too; her personal attack on him; COUPGATE.

Trumps inauguration speech was him being furious at what was planned and what he was being expected to do to the Americans and the World – he rejected these plans in the most public manner he could, un-edited.
Go watch it again.

As the Dumber Bush Potus said to his Killer Bush potus – that was some weird shit daddy !

I_left_the_left
I_left_the_left
Aug 20, 2020 7:55 PM
Reply to  DunGroanin

Trump said in his inauguration speech that ‘if you open your heart to patriotism, there is no room for prejudice’. I guess this cure for bigotry and racism didn’t impress you.

DunGroanin
DunGroanin
Aug 20, 2020 10:01 PM

Trump didn’t impress me until his inauguration.

Then surviving the coup attempts at him.

Now I rate him. History will show it.

John Pretty
John Pretty
Aug 20, 2020 8:17 PM
Reply to  DunGroanin

“Pretty good.”

Mmm, thank, you. Yes I am.

That probably wasn’t meant as a compliment, but I’ll take it.

DunGroanin
DunGroanin
Aug 20, 2020 11:50 PM
Reply to  John Pretty

You must where you can John.

covidiot
covidiot
Aug 20, 2020 9:40 AM

For a differing opinion on this topic read W Stephen Gilbert’s article here.

“Nothing was found at this location.”

which of these articles was the intended target of that link?

https://off-guardian.org/tag/w-stephen-gilbert/

Willem
Willem
Aug 20, 2020 9:29 AM

I made a nice little game of how to get out of this conundrum that ‘we are all doomed’ which is in the waiting for approval dock (with some typos that I cannot change anymore… but that is an aside)

Not sure how long it will take before it’s approved, so you have to stay tuned.

In the meantime, please listen to Supertramp’s ‘Crime of the century’ which this little game that I made for you is all about

Song

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GpAUDOI24Oo

Lyrics

Now they’re planning the crime of the century
Well what will it be?
Read all about their schemes and adventuring
It’s well worth a fee
So roll up and see
And they rape the universe
How they’ve gone from bad to worse
Who are these men of lust, greed, and glory?
Rip off the masks and let see
But that’s no right oh no, what’s the story?
But there’s you and there’s me
That can’t be right

Willem
Willem
Aug 20, 2020 9:23 AM

When I see that picture of these 2 politicians, I just wonder how much they like it to walk around like bandits.

I think the editors of OffG, combined with some of the commenters here, are way to negative about how the system is screwing us over and over again and as if there is nothing else you can do than look up to heroes like Lumumba (as this author advices us to do https://off-guardian.org/2020/08/20/do-americans-dream-of-capitalist-sheep) who got slaughtered for his thoughts and deeds.

And what kind of analysis is it when the same author asks himself: ‘what is your solution?’ – By which the answer of the author is: ‘I don’t know’ as if we are all doomed. And this is not the first article that has been published here has this type of argumentation. Almost all of them follow this type of reasoning. To which I conclude that OffG is out of options or lost its MoJo and needs some help from commenters below the line to lighten up a couple of issues.

And it’s about high time to lighten up, think a little bit about the topic of Covid19 and show the fly the way out of the fly-bottle. And since that is what Wittgenstein’s philosophy was all about, let’s consider it to be a game, shall we? And in this game there are 3 rules

1. You should defend your reasoning by some sort of argument, if not you’re out
2. When you use a logical fallacy in your argument and you’re found out, you’re out no matter how good the rest of your argument is.
3. There is no right or wrong answer in this game, since we are all in this position of not knowing what is going on

So here is the game:
Question: why are we in this covid matter?

Answer (pick one of the following answers and explain yourself why this is the answer)

A ‘They’ want to exterminate us
B Collective madness
C Collective madness and a hypothetical swindle
D The big club saving their economy
E other, namely

My answer is C and that is not because it is the longest answer (which is statistically speaking more likely to be the right answer in a multiple choice exam)

Why C? – Well let me deduce that answer

Ad A and D cannot be it, because if ‘they’ would like to exterminate us, there are a couple of problems that the big club does not like

1. Who is going to consume the oil that oil companies get from the ground and which companies will go bust if the oil, and oil products (like plastics) is not consumed? (Th petrochemical industry is not in the game)
2. Who is going to order all those lovely made in China products that Amazon sell through the web if the number of people who can buy stuff there is decimated (billionaires like Bezos are not in)
3. Who is going to fund facebook (through advertisements) when Facebook is no-one longer able to get revenue from advertising (Zuckerberg et al are not in)
4. Who is going to buy all this lovely technology that is spewed from nearly fully automated assembly lines from car companies, computer companies and other electric companies (Elon Musk et al are not in)
5. What is going to be done with all the (patented) food that needs to be eaten by humans in order to let the profits come in for companies like Monsanto/Bayer (agriculture is not in)
6. How can pharmaceutical companies sell all their other (non-vaccines) drugs to people, when there are no patients left? (Pharma is not in)

Well 6 points is enough for me to deduce that A and D are wrong answers

Why not B? Well the collective madness is correct, but it is not complete. Why is there collective madness?

1. Because the covid science of Covid being ‘deadlier than any other virus’ is faulty from A-Z. For instance the average of death in NL is 81 while the average age of death with covid is 82 (so covid is not doing anything on mortality that is out of the ordinary), and the number of people who die in an average flu year (9000 in NL) is no different than the number of people who died with covid in 2020 (6000 in NL). 2 reasons is enough, but more can be added. Still scientists (or those who are not censored) are claiming that covid is the most scary thing they ever saw, thereby justifying that universities close, scientific departments run of (PhD) students and that their departments shall be closed (that is madness)
2. Journalists who report the experts without any question justify their own incarceration of not seeing friends, relatives and other antisocial measures that negatively affect their lives as much as it does ours. Yet they do it (which is madness)
3. Politicians have to walk around muzzled (see ad 2) and cannot say or do anything else than what the experts in ad 1 tell them to do, making them politically speaking powerless (which is madness)
4. The population at large follows (or seems to follow) ad 1-3, but only when they are forced to (by fines which cannot be ticketed if all would just say: ‘we don’t follow your madness’, yet they do follow ad 1-3, which is madness (although not so much in NL, where ad 1-3 are not really taking over streetlife for reasons that are not clear to me, but that is an aside)

But there is more than madness, because someone (or a bunch of people) must have decided to start testing the common cold in China with a faulty test and call it Covid19. Who that someone is, is a question to which I do not know the answer (this needs police investigation), but

1. It must be someone with influence (this swindle could not be started by a petty thieve),
2. needs organizing (people and organizations need to be bribed or put under a spell)
3. needs to be profitable not only to the swindler but also by ‘innocent bystanders’ like big companies (who get bailed out), employees (who get payed without working) for as long as it lasts (but swindles never last; quote ‘Lou Mannheim’ in Wall Street)

Well, we can pick our favorite swindler here and I do think there is a guy who had a huge paper trail, so the policewomen will not be too difficult. But let’s judge that on our own (and make this thing into a witch hunt), but demand justice from the institutions that are there for justice.

I know that people here think that justice in our society is beyond that what can be grasped (or pretend to think that way as they like it so much for us to think we are screwed), to which I have just one answer: Enron.

Enron was a big swindle, and justice was served as it just affected too many people. This swindle of covid19 is much bigger than Enron and is hurting/ going to hurt much more people (influential and non-influential) when they develop ‘skin in the game.’ The moment the party ‘everybody profits’ is over, investigations will come of those who are accountable for the swindle.

That doesn’t mean that the swindle and collective madness is not going to affect our lives/ economy after the swindle. But I refrain from how answer C is going to affect our lives, because for that I need a crystal ball and it’s not part of this game.

Now you may or may not agree with my analysis, which is not the point of this. Point is that you are going to think for yourself of why we are in this covid matter and come with your own conclusion with accompanying argument that can be added below.

*some commenters asked me why I don’t write above the line. My full answer to that is: because I was never asked by OffG editors to write above the line. But if OffG editors see this game that I wrote as a nice little excercise that can get them and their readers out of their thinking that all is pointless and that we’re doomed, I see no reason why they just copy and paste this comment above the line to which they have my full consent.

Admin1
Admin
Admin1
Aug 20, 2020 9:50 AM
Reply to  Willem

1. We have never claimed everything is “pointless” – why would we all be doing this if that is what we thought? Maybe you’re projecting a little? That’s understandable, it’s a stressful time.

2. We rarely ask people to write for us. People send us submissions or suggestions. If you would like something to be considered send to [email protected]

Your BTL comments are always valuable and interesting btw

MiriamW
MiriamW
Aug 20, 2020 11:07 AM
Reply to  Admin1

For what’s it worth I didn’t read Willem’s interesting analysis as ‘projection’ at all and I think your point 1. is rather patronising!

Rellion
Rellion
Aug 20, 2020 3:11 PM
Reply to  MiriamW

They are always very arrogant, and patronizing whenever they speak, I don’t know who or what they are, but it it ain’t good, that’s for sure. They hate the people who post here, they have complete contempt for them, Who might feel like that? My guess, GCHQ.

Hooperlex
Hooperlex
Aug 20, 2020 4:48 PM
Reply to  MiriamW

They are always very arrogant, and patronizing whenever they speak, I don’t know who or what they are, but it ain’t good, that’s for sure. They hate the people who post here, they have complete contempt for them, Who might feel like that? My guess, GCHQ.

John Pretty
John Pretty
Aug 20, 2020 8:22 PM
Reply to  Hooperlex

I think that’s a little unfair. If you follow this link

https://off-guardian.org/

and scroll to the foot of the page you will see the names of the Off Guardian editors and admins.

Objective
Objective
Aug 20, 2020 10:22 PM
Reply to  Hooperlex

Freedom! fight the censors!

I admire your courage to speak out, i’ve guessed the very same thing a few times myself 😉 tis true they hate to be criticised.

Objective
Objective
Aug 20, 2020 10:19 PM
Reply to  MiriamW

A word of warning, never critique the authorities (admin) 😉 you get bonus down votes & it upsets the clique lurking in the shadows.

I do it just for shits & giggles but it has no reward.

Seaweed
Seaweed
Aug 20, 2020 11:19 AM
Reply to  Willem

You know I woke up today and a lot of the fear for the future had gone, in fact I feel quite positive as so many people around the world see through the decades and decades of scamming and murder (even centuries), perpetrated by the psycho super rich and their organisational structures.

There is a mass awakening going on, a lot of which is hidden from us due to censorship online and enforced mask wearing and physical distancing, but it is definitely there and getting bigger all the time and people are finding a way to share the truth on alternative platforms. It won’t happen, the totalitarian world state as the logistics are against the psychos, and the diversity and vastness of human culture cannot be controlled in its entirety.

Behind the censorship and propaganda I think they are afraid, it’s a massive risk they are taking, a well-planned but desperate power grab, as it’s their last chance as the tools they use to control us via surveillance etc are also the tools that will bring about their downfall as it is a tool for us to use to share facts and plans to take back our sovereign power. The psychos use hypnosis and summon up our own demons to enchain us but human nature is loving and community focused at root. So we need to carry on educating each other, sharing info, posting videos of demos, getting around the censorship, coming together as a people and not falling into the trap of blaming everyone else. There is still a lot of work to do.

Thankyou for your comments, and everyone who posts comments here, we are the power.

Eyes Open
Eyes Open
Aug 20, 2020 11:49 AM
Reply to  Seaweed

I’m in a vulnerable position. I might be out on the streets if I don’t submit to the vaccines and surveillance.

The rich will fare better.

hope
hope
Aug 21, 2020 8:14 PM
Reply to  Willem

Ill just pose some questions:

1) Why is it that during the lockdown, 5G towers have come up all over the country I live in.
Im afraid I and others I fully trust have seen this: there werent any where they are now before the lockdown, and there they suddenly were after.
Given only essential workers were allowed to go out of the homes, was putting up 5G towers essential work? Im afraid it was not on the official list of essential work.

2) If you look at excess deaths (compared to 2018) over the months in UK, then you see it corresponds to excess deaths in care homes. This is also the case in some other countries, one would need to check this country by country. So questions arise:
If the excess death corresponds to people in care homes, then the excess death corresponds to people who were vaccinated for the flu. So the next question that arises is: are the deaths something to do with flu vaccination? Did all so called severe cases correspond to people who had been vaccinated for the flu? To any flu vaccination or to certain brands of flu vaccination? What were in these vaccines? As to the why of these vaccines, greed or in this particular case bio-weapons is not something as a scientist that I can answer or would want to speculate about.
There is evidence that the Spanish flu came on top of a large vaccination campaign and that the few who refused vaccination never fell ill.
Or was it due to mere negligence (the staff was often foreign and left for their home countries when borders closed, the others were too frightened to work properly, and anyhow just imagine being only surrounded by people in masks and gloves and not being allowed to see anyone or go anywhere, I think its remarkable that more havent died in these conditions. In that case there has been nothing going on in terms of new diseases, absolutely nothing, just people killing other people through treating them badly.

Even leaving this apart, what do we mean by excess deaths if they are beyond the average life expectancy?
Arent we not suppose to die? When I lost my mother some years ago, I was incessantly told, she was old and beyond the life expectancy age, it is normal she passed away, its in the order of things. In what way deaths of the elderly in 2020 any different?

3) If the UK scenario is true for all countries, then why is UK quarantining again arrivals from Europe, and why are some of these said European countries imposing masks everywhere, all day long, imposing regional lockdowns, just because they claim there are a handful of cases? At this point, is it reasonable to keep saying its sheer incompetence?
Is it sheer incompetence not to realise one cant breathe properly with a mask? Why are governments enforcing it more and more in that case, and in most countries, without any exemption?
Is it sheer incompetence to lock up people in their homes? What would be the survival reaction, at least of our dear leaders, in case of a true pandemic? Would it not be to flee to some isolated place? Would they be giving press conferences all the time? During the plague, anyone who could, i.e. the elites, all left London. Would this not be a gut reaction?
You see danger, you flee.
Is it sheer incompetence that authorities are everywhere worsening measures again, and therefore terminating the livelihoods of millions, if not of billions?
Yes a crisis would have come anyhow, without any of this, but it would not have collapsed at one go: i.e. people would have had time to reconvert, to seek alternatives, not every company in a given sector would have collapsed together, not this number would be losing everything all together. The number of victims would have been far less.

4) Why did the Rockefeller Institute publish that lockstep simulation in 2012, which resembles very much what has been happening now? Can we truly accept they were all just playing a game? Especially as their simulation says that measures were kept after the pandemic and worsened.

5) Why event 201 in October, preceded in September the publication of WHO documents talking about worldwide simulations before Sep. 2020? Just a coincidence as all the fact-checking sites want us to believe?

6) Why did the Italian doctors who tried to investigate what was in vaccines apparently lose their jobs, and why are they barred from talking about what they found?

On this issue of censorship or surveillance, just a personal experience: pray, someone tell me why has my phone been put under surveillance in such a strange way that I cannot anymore reach anyone I had been discussing the current events with? I can reach everyone else. Is this also sheer incompetence from the phone company?
Im just a mere former scientist who writes about various issues, notably science, but Im not important. Why do this to me? None of this has ever happened in my entire life. So just a coincidence? Nothing for me to worry about?

7) Why is AIDS said to be caused by a virus, even though according to the inventor of the PCR test itself, this has not yet been confirmed? Why do we talk of flu being caused by a virus, and why if there is some disease called covid (which has not been confirmed) is it attributed to a virus, when there is also no scientific confirmation?

8) Why is it that powerful voices in the academic world are advocating together with authorities a society where people work from home via the internet?

9) Why is it that social behaviour is being engineered by advisers to the governments and why are governments implementing dehumanizing measures?

Why, why, Willem, please answer. There are many whys, those are some that rapidly came to mind, and Im too tired to think too deeply right now. Anyhow I dont want to speculate, not on a public forum. But the whys are a bit too many Willem, dont you think?

As for a plan to kill us all, I would say its easy to stop the questioning by taking an extreme
unbelievable scenario, which is precisely what those who want to stop any questioning are doing. But, the need to reduce world population has been sufficiently mentioned by Gates and others over time.

It would not be too difficult to estimate the amount of population needed to make society function for a while, and to keep the monopolistic online businesses you mention remain
profitable. Evidently the problem with any such scenario is that, like EM Foster aptly described in “the machine stops”, there would be no one left to operate the machine properly (i.e. the virtual world) or to keep society going. Our species can only survive if Man remains creative and that requires freedom, communication, basically a human life.

So I am in no way suggesting we are all doomed. On the contrary, I am sure we are not.
I am sure as always we will come out of this somehow, and for a while it may all be much better than it was in our lifetimes, but for that we need to be aware of the magnitude of the danger we are facing. Is that not the basic survival instinct?

DunGroanin
DunGroanin
Aug 22, 2020 2:30 PM
Reply to  Willem

But willem,

In your formulation you studiously avoid the whole concept of MONEY as the cipher for ancient power of the Pathocracy.

Why?

Brian Sides
Brian Sides
Aug 20, 2020 9:13 AM

Hiroyuki Hamada is an artist this is one of his art piecescomment image

It looks like he is giving two fingers to the viewer.
As George Walker Bush said “You can fool some of the people all of the time and those are the ones to concentrate on”

Is this art ? What ever floats your boat as the saying goes.
Hamada has been the recipient of a Pollock-Krasner Foundation grant, This means he has been given money to live his lifestyle and produce his art. He may talk about poverty and social injustice but the gallery’s of so called art are not a priority of the poor. These are part the world of the mega rich. They may let the underclass providing they are not to unwashed walk around the gallery and gawk. But these overpriced objects are purchased by those with more money than sense. Some say it is a form of money laundering and a scam to help hide the billions. Art foundations set up by billionaires are just another example of phoney philanthropy. The same billionaires pay for colleges and universities as well as funding much (independent) scientific research as well as funding politicians and presidential candidates. All for philanthropic reasons

Grafter
Grafter
Aug 20, 2020 10:01 AM
Reply to  Brian Sides

Mr Hamada should concentrate more on writing . The article is excellent. I find his artwork soul less, cold and impersonal lacking any gesture towards the encapsulation of human empathy. Decorative ? Yes ?….but it has no soul.

covidiot
covidiot
Aug 20, 2020 12:12 PM
Reply to  Brian Sides

Is this art? What ever floats your boat as the saying goes.

it turns out that what mainly floats the boat of abstract art, is CIA money.

Was modern art a weapon of the CIA?

How Jackson Pollock and the CIA Teamed Up to Win The Cold War

Edwige
Edwige
Aug 20, 2020 8:51 AM

““The argument that the two parties should represent opposed ideals and policies… is a foolish idea. Instead, the two parties should be almost identical, so that the American people can throw the rascals out at any election without leading to any profound or extensive shifts in policy. Then it should be possible to replace it, every four years if necessary, by the other party which will be none of these things but will still pursue, with new vigor, approximately the same basic policies.”
Carroll Quigley, ‘Tragedy and Hope’ – on p911! No wonder the book was withdrawn and the plates smashed without the author’s knowledge. Who was Quigley after all but a professor at Georgetown, inspiration for Bill Clinton and recipient of exclusive access to CFR archives?

P.S. “An agonized Black man doing his best”? Is this really the author’s understanding of Obama? And although that quote from Du Bois is a good one, there’s a heck of a lot more to know about him – like his Prince Hall Freemasonry.

covidiot
covidiot
Aug 20, 2020 9:01 AM
Reply to  Edwige

Carroll Quigley, Tragedy and Hope — on p911! No wonder the book was withdrawn and the plates smashed without the author’s knowledge.

never fear, you can read the whole thing here:

http://www.carrollquigley.net/pdf/Tragedy_and_Hope.pdf

George Mc
George Mc
Aug 20, 2020 9:32 AM
Reply to  covidiot

No wonder the book was withdrawn and the plates smashed without the author’s knowledge.

You can still buy it new on Amazon. I just checked.

Steve Church
Steve Church
Aug 20, 2020 5:42 PM
Reply to  covidiot

Thanks. Just downloaded it;

Seamus Padraig
Seamus Padraig
Aug 20, 2020 8:49 AM

Why is Leonard Peltier still in prison when George Zimmerman walks free?

Nothing against Peltier, but why should George Zimmerman be in prison? The trial showed that he was innocent, that he had first been attacked by Trayvon Martin, whereupon he fired in self-defense.

Trump is the exact caricature of what the people of the world see: the US as the biggest bully with no taste.

Do most people in the world not see that Trump in the first US president in decades not to start any brand-new wars in his first term? He may be abrasive at times, but he’s definitely not violent.

covidiot
covidiot
Aug 20, 2020 9:29 AM
Reply to  Seamus Padraig

Do most people in the world not see that Trump in the first US president in decades not to start any brand-new wars in his first term?

brown people in the third world are not one of the privileged identities that the Woke “left” deems worthy of consideration. opposing imperialism actually threatens ruling-class interests, therefore will not receive academic/NGO/alt-media funding from elite “philanthropic” foundations, hence will not further the careers of the comfortable middle-class people that inhabit these institutions, and so is of no interest to them.

conversely, breaking down any potential working-class solidarity by dividing its constituency into ever-tinier competing fragments of intersectional identities, is of great value to billionaire philanthropists. that’s where the money is, so naturally, that’s where the middle-class “left” is. they’re quite happy to go around ordering people to vote for fascists, as long as those fascists can be retconned into compliance with current PC fashions, which, since the assaults on Yugoslavia, Libya, and Syria, most definitely do not include opposing the operations of US imperialism.

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slim
slim
Aug 20, 2020 8:23 AM

you got too too weak weak at the end

wouldn’t have you in our squad

you would cave

can’t have that

when you are fighting aginst the beast

Moneycircus
Moneycircus
Aug 20, 2020 5:31 AM

Corruption unbound: Anthony Fauci, Ralph Baric and the CDC have built a business around Coronavirus – filing patents since 1999 on every aspect of the virus. Since nature cannot be patented, either the virus cannot be natural or the patent is illegal. They have turned Coronavirus into an industrial complex, akin to the IG Farben of the 2000s. Read on.

Ryan Cristián reviews the documentary, Plandemic II. It begins by investigating the WEF/BMGF Event 201 for evidence that Event Covid was planned.

Their predictions were correct to a T: including their prediction that the international institutions would fail, that they would be unprepared — preparing to be unprepared.

The October 2019 event, which in turn was planned months before, posed the scenario that there would be a shortage of masks. If they forecast a shortage of masks, why did they take action? Surely someone could have made a mint from personal protective equipment?

They theorized that 65% of people would be eager to take an experimental vaccine. They already called it the Coronavirus SARS-COV-2, even though it hadn’t appeared yet. So why the “impromptu” song and dance by governments to give Big Pharma immunity in return for brewing up an emergency vaccine?

They even theorized they would not get a vaccine in time for this pandemic. The point being it will arrive during Pandemic 2, which Bill Gates predicted back in October.

On the economy, Event 201 theorizes: “The risks and benefits of staying home from work. We need to save lives but we cannot afford a heavy-handed response that suffocates the economy“.

Ryan Cristián: So they theorized they would suffocate the economy — but they did it anyway? So what is the point of these exercises if they don’t prepare and they don’t learn? This is social engineering. Event 201 was made for you. This is predictive programming.

They theorized that people would be put before the courts for spreading harmful information. Event 201 intones: “If the solution means controlling and reducing access to information, I think it would be the right choice.” They even theorized that the pubic might assume the pharmaceutical industry released the virus for its own financial benefit.

They theorized that riots would bring martial law and that people would lose trusts in public institutions.

Even in a simulation they theorized to the point that even in Event 201 they ask the question: “We have to ask, did this need to be so bad?”

Ryan Cristián: So they ask if it needed to be bad – and then followed policies that led to the bad things. That certainly seems orchestrated.

They provided a clue that Event Covid will be followed by Plandemic II and perhaps III. Event 201 intones: “Economists predict the turmoil caused by such a pandemic will last for years. Societal impacts, the lost of faith in government, the distrust of news and the breakdown of social cohesion could last even longer.”

Predictive programming. Social engineering.

In the documentary David Martin PhD says his company maintains ongoing investigations into any company involved in biological numbers. In 1999, IBM digitized a million patents and Martin found that one-third of all patents covered the same subject matter. Patents on Coronavirus start to show up in 1999.

The CDC saw the pot of gold in 2003, when Coronavirus broke out in Asia. They knew this virus could easily be manipulated. Immediately they started taking out patents for every aspect of the Coronavirus, from the proprietary rights to the disease, to the virus and to its detection and all of the measurement of it.

Why would they do that?

We know that Anthony Fauci, Ralph Baric and the CDC and the list of people who wanted to take credit for inventing Coronavirus. From 2003-18 they controlled 100% of the cash flow that built the empire around the industrial complex of Coronavirus. We know the manipulation started in 1999 with Ralph Baric.

Nobel laureate Luc Montaigne tells the documentary SARS-COV-2 is not natural. “It is the professional work of molecular biologists. For what purpose I don’t know. My job is to expose the facts.”

Yet fact checkers are transcendent. These people outrank Nobel laureates. A photograph of a box of masks which states that it provides no protection from Coronavirus gets labeled fake news because the fact checkers argue that you have harmful intentions.

Politicians have abdicated their job. One group of 640 doctors: “Covid-19 is a global scam and the official narrative is a lie.” Can they all be wrong? They say they have no political intent. They are speaking up for their families, for patients for all of us, humanity. Exactly what the technocrats lack: humanity.

The documentary Plandemic II — https://londonreal.tv/

Ryan’s review — https://youtu.be/1yxqhXg-pJA?t=2325

Moneycircus
Moneycircus
Aug 20, 2020 7:44 AM
Reply to  Moneycircus

Notes from Plandemic II.

The patent on Coronavirus allows the holders to limit independent research. The holders also took out patents on testing and detecting the virus. That turned the virus from pathogen to profit.

In 2013 the NIH suggested the research into pathogens could break the biological weapons treaty and that gain of function research should be suspended “voluntarily”. It was, says David Martin PhD, a suggestion to move research offshore and fund it covertly. That is how U.S. Coronavirus research shifted from the U.S. to Wuhan.

Dr Martin quotes from the WHO’s Global Monitoring Preparedness Board recommending that two events should take place by September 2019: “The United Nations (including WHO) conducts at least two system-wide training and simulation exercises, including one for covering the deliberate release of a lethal respiratory pathogen.”

It all descends from J.D. Rockefeller’s promotion of petroleum-based pharmaceuticals and the consigning of traditional plant based medicines to the fringe as ‘alternative’. To do this he built his influence withing the media, medical universities and professional associations.

Bill Gates is a pile of derivative, thieving shit. But he has admitted vaccines to be the best investment he’s ever made. It is not about humanity, however. It’s all about the money.

The documentary recalls how Gates tried to cheat co-founder Paul Allen out of his fortune by reducing his share in Microsoft to almost nothing — while Allen was struggling with the cancer that eventually killed him.

SMH: How Bill Gates tried to cheat me: Microsoft co-founder
In 2009 Gates’ vaccination programme, a so called ‘wellness shot’, sickened hundreds, of Indian girls. Polio vaccines have brought polio back to India on a mass scale.

SciDevNet: Oral polio drops linked to paralysis in India
Like Africans, they are simply lab rats for Big Pharma. Kenyans continue to insist their girls were covertly sterilized by vaccine.

President Trump has already readied the military to undertake mass vaccinations by the end of this year.

Jeffrey Epstein and Bill Gates co-founded a billion dollar charitable fund – supposedly to find new sources of money, claims the one of the world’s richest men. Their shared interests spanned science, transhumanism, education, peacekeeping in war zones (human experimentation and trafficking) and youth initiatives.

Covid 19 is the seventh Coronavirus on a mass scale. In total, there are dozens, perhaps hundreds of them. Successful vaccines take seven to 20 years to develop. The idea of an answer within months is a sick joke. Moderna’s trials gave systemic side effects to 80% of participants ranging from headaches to fatigue. After the Anthrax attacks of 2001, the Public Readiness and Emergency Preparedness Act gives virtually blanket immunity. If you agree to the Covid vaccine and suffer serious or lasting effects, you will be on your own.

This is all a test to see how much shit we will swallow, how far they can push the swap up our nose, into the crevices of our bodies, ultimately into our brain.

The conspirators behind the scenes (banks, corporations) and their flunkies in front of the camera (politicians) have challenged us to reclaim our humanity.

https://freedomplatform.tv/plandemic-indoctornation-world-premiere/

Eyes Open
Eyes Open
Aug 20, 2020 12:11 PM
Reply to  Moneycircus

Great comment.

If there weren’t coronaviruses, the ruling class would use something else, and the sheeple would still follow orders.

slim
slim
Aug 20, 2020 8:24 AM
Reply to  Moneycircus

Outstanding!!

Thank you!!

DunGroanin
DunGroanin
Aug 20, 2020 10:04 AM
Reply to  Moneycircus

Yes but WHAT ABOUT the Rockerfeller ‘Lockstep’ plans from the decade before?

There has of course been expectation of more deadlier pandemics – due to the speed of spread by modern travel.

Never mind the aggressive intensive agro businesses pumping animals full of hormones / antibiotics and even vaccines no doubt. The 1998/9 flu was pretty severe. And a big one is going to happen at some point.

Apparently buying toilet paper is the primary protection and for many a counter narrators ought to remain the only one!

Dors
Dors
Aug 20, 2020 11:25 AM
Reply to  Moneycircus

Your mission may be undermined by quasi-arguments like “One group of 640 doctors: “Covid-19 is a global scam and the official narrative is a lie.” Can they all be wrong?”

Your side is truth, usually defended by science, on your side you have scientists who insist that consensus is antithetical to science. And here above is an ‘argument by consensus.’

Also, the claim that it is a “scam” was made only by one of the leaders, Dr Schoning, rather than made by several of them or in any collective statement.

“Their predictions were correct to a T”

That someone had “predicted” correctly may mean they’re conspiracists, or very bright realists, and if it is the former, question arises why they let us know about their Event. It was reported very early into this crisis, by Engdahl, etc.

Otherwise you’re doing a good job, if I may say.

S Cooper
S Cooper
Aug 20, 2020 5:04 AM

Besides the nationwide mandatory MASK NAZI face diaper mandate (requiring every one wear one outside) Groper Joe and associate seems intent on going FULL RAMBO with Russia, China, Iran and Venezuela. At present Orange Hair is not requiring that (at least not in public) and he does not seem intent on something as stupid as a full blown attack on Russia or China. But then again he is not the one making the decisions. If something like what happened recently in Beirut occurred in any Russian or Chinese city the upshot would not be pretty.

Die you bastards… die already!

paul
paul
Aug 20, 2020 4:02 AM

Creepy Joe and Kabbala Haaretz, The Orange Faggot and Rabbi Pence.
The Four Stooges.
I suppose you can’t expect too much, they’ve only got 330 million people to choose from in America.

Moneycircus
Moneycircus
Aug 20, 2020 2:50 AM

The ultimate political capital: the sale of presidential pardons by Bill and Hillary Clinton and their brothers, along with Eric Holder. The business formed the beginning of what became the pay-to-play Clinton Foundation.

Pardongate author Mark Hyman on the Presidential pardons completed the book in 2007 but no American publisher would touch it. A senior publisher later told him, “Hillary Clinton is going to be president. We only want books that genuflect.”

Clearly the publishers have been told that Hillary isn’t going to make a last-minute bid this time around. One of them contacted Hyman, he updated his book, and it’s just been published. https://youtu.be/lPK5vC1Iaxg

Koba
Koba
Aug 20, 2020 8:12 AM
Reply to  Moneycircus

Yeah your man still thinks everything bad is Marxism and thinks Hillary is a Marxist

Eyes Open
Eyes Open
Aug 20, 2020 11:21 AM
Reply to  Moneycircus

Didn’t Mark Hyman MD advise the Clintons on their health?

I smell a rat.

Moneycircus
Moneycircus
Aug 20, 2020 1:03 PM
Reply to  Eyes Open

Common name – there is an MD of that name who was on the Katie Couric Show. https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/Pardongate/Mark-Hyman/9781642936285

JuraCalling
JuraCalling
Aug 20, 2020 1:47 AM

I almost joined the discussion early.I didn’t mind talking about the facade of democracy lasting so long.Or that the votes over there in America have already been ‘counted’ so to speak. The president is always picked in advance.But as long as people go to the ballot boxes we feel we really are part of a democratic process.Do you really think they’d let us all vote if our opinion was important ? No country has a fair voting process, only a charade.One government does it all.And like the bloodlines of the elite and the old Shylocks, their traditions are kept in house and their goals kept close to the chest.They’re passed down generation to generation. Presidents and PMs are for show. To keep the illusion fresh.

There’s a global dictatorship already.The games just got dirty now.No wonder they killed so many in psyops to try and get the guns.Nice try Obama. At least you passed the Monsanto law.Now you too are above all laws. Scum.

That’s all I’ll add.I see this going nowhere really.A couple of posts in and we’re seeing claims of the 8 billion dead heads being responsible for global destruction and an unfounded accusation that somebody made an unfounded allegation of paedophilia.Is the whole of the f*cking internet run by twitter now..

covidiot
covidiot
Aug 20, 2020 12:34 PM
Reply to  JuraCalling

The president is always picked in advance.

Killary Klingon was obviously picked in advance, but somehow the pick didn’t stick.

Is the whole of the f*cking internet run by twitter now.

I think you already know the answer to that question.

JuraCalling
JuraCalling
Aug 20, 2020 4:35 PM
Reply to  covidiot

Killary Klingon was obviously picked in advance, but somehow the pick didn’t stick.”

Suggesting that she was only picked by the people on the ground.The same people who were mocking the fool Trump.Which further suggests he was the pick of the elite.

”I think you already know the answer to that question.”

Very enigmatic. It was rhetorical by the way.

JoeC
JoeC
Aug 20, 2020 1:45 AM

That photo of Biden and Harris makes my skin crawl.

dus7
dus7
Aug 20, 2020 7:08 PM
Reply to  JoeC

Still, it seems so right that politicians be muzzled – quite a good idea, really.

John Pretty
John Pretty
Aug 20, 2020 8:31 PM
Reply to  dus7

I’d prefer to see them in prisons.

S Cooper
S Cooper
Aug 20, 2020 1:44 AM

FYI

George Carlin- “America is One Big Lie.”

Dan
Dan
Aug 20, 2020 4:50 AM
Reply to  S Cooper

I wish George was still around… no other comedian ever got it so right. He’d tear this new normal bullshit to shreds.

sharon marlowe
sharon marlowe
Aug 20, 2020 1:40 AM

That was an excellent essay from Mr. Hamada:) I especially like this line:
The lies are so inflated that there is practically nothing left that can be reasonable.”

gozo
gozo
Aug 20, 2020 1:30 AM

what a ridiculous article, so bad, more than bad

S Cooper
S Cooper
Aug 20, 2020 2:25 AM
Reply to  gozo

Is that your idea of a critique?

S Cooper
S Cooper
Aug 20, 2020 2:27 AM
Reply to  S Cooper

Would like to know what you find bad about it. Thanks.

Gary Weglarz
Gary Weglarz
Aug 20, 2020 3:01 AM
Reply to  S Cooper

S Cooper – “gozo” is engaging in what amounts simply to typical “troll talk.” Actual “critique” requires at least a respectable nod to reason and thoughtful observation.

David Bishop
David Bishop
Aug 20, 2020 2:37 AM
Reply to  gozo

That’s odd, I thought it was one of the best essays on the illusion of democracy that I have read in a while ….

Jim McDonagh
Jim McDonagh
Aug 20, 2020 1:18 AM

Unfortunately every successful revolution in recorded human history has been top down , not bottom up . The vast majority of the 8 billion sheeple that are destroying the planet live in abject fear , terrified at the very mention of actual change, better to put their face nappies over their eyes rather than their mouths.

gozo
gozo
Aug 20, 2020 1:16 AM

“Biden is a hardened imperialist with a solid record of colonizing, militarizing and corporatizing. And he is more widely known as a creepy old man who can’t keep his hands off of females, any female, especially very young ones.” – Jesus Christ Almighty, what planet are you on Hamanda? you think Biden is some sort of pedophile? You must be a very sick and twisted individual, and need to go back back to school to learn English before writing opinion pieces.

Jim McDonagh
Jim McDonagh
Aug 20, 2020 1:30 AM
Reply to  gozo

Mr Biden is a corrupt war criminal of the first rank . However I agree that his sexual preferences are of little import, when compared to the likes of Clinton ,Trump and dozens if not hundreds of American politicos.

Loverat
Loverat
Aug 20, 2020 5:07 AM
Reply to  Jim McDonagh

JM

Always your posts are great and appreciate them. But on this disagree.

When his sexual preferences are targeted towards children and this urge was and possibly still is uncontrollable, he is comparable to the Clintons and others.

We have to start calling out these people for what they are. No excuses.

None of these people should be around woman and children, let alone run the country.

John Pretty
John Pretty
Aug 20, 2020 8:26 PM
Reply to  Loverat

“When his sexual preferences are targeted towards children”

loverat, I am no fan of Biden. And I think he is suffering from dementia. But you are way off the mark with this comment. It’s complete bollocks.

Loverat
Loverat
Aug 20, 2020 2:33 AM
Reply to  gozo

You know, if I was ever to consider writing on that subject Biden would be a big part of it. Child abuse and sexual deviance among politicians and particularly US Democrat and British establishment is off the scale. It has a massive part to play in politics and how the western world works. Have you ever watched Biden and the look of terror on a 12 year old girl in the same room, when he starts moving his arms about?

It is pure evil, in the main concealed but with Biden, if you bother to look and care about the welfare of children, obvious.

Youd be amazed such deviance could exist, much more so that it is behind the power structures presently wreaking havoc on the world.

paul
paul
Aug 20, 2020 3:57 AM
Reply to  Loverat

There has been a global web of sexual blackmail, child trafficking and paedophilia operating completely unchecked and with complete impunity for decades. Politicians, organised crime, corporate elites, royalty, intelligence agencies, celebrities, all inextricably interlinked and difficult to distinguish one from another.

That is the nature of those who lord it over us. Human sewage, a thousand times worse than the Hindleys and Bradys, the Dahmers and the Huntleys.

Occasionally the truth is allowed to come out, usually when the scum in question are dead and buried. Mountbatten, Savile, Janner, Cyril Smith, to name but a few. Occasionally a sacrifice of no importance like Rolf Harris or Gary Glitter is offered up, like tossing a dog a bone.