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BREAKING: Germany Bans Coronavirus Protest Berlin Senator labels protesters “right wing extremists”

Protest sign from 1 August 2020 ralyl, Berlin. Photo: Fabian Sommer/dpa (Photo by Fabian Sommer/picture alliance via Getty Images)

The Berlin government has banned a planned protest against measures put in place to (allegedly) contain the coronavirus “pandemic”.

The event, scheduled for the 29th of August and coinciding with protests in other countries, including the UK, France and Canada, has been shut down by the Berlin Senate over fears the crowd would “violate the current infection protection laws”.

If you’re concerned about this being an attack on political freedoms, don’t worry Andreas Geisel (Berlin’s Interior Senator), is here to reassure us all [our emphasis]:

This is not a decision against freedom of assembly, but a decision in favour of infection protection.”

Although his claims this was not a political decision were somewhat undermined, when he added:

[Berlin will not be] misused as a stage for corona deniers…and right-wing extremists.”

A similar protest at the beginning of this month drew tens of thousands of people. It was depicted as “right wing” and “antisemitic” in the press.

The coronavirus has a patchy, if not outright selective, record when it comes to protest movements. The anti-government protests in Belarus, for example, are exempt from being “dangerous”. As are the A level results protests in the UK.

In the US, and around the world, Black Lives Matter protests – far from being considered possible serious contamination risks – were applauded by health care workers, and even given special dispensation for violating lockdown measures in many countries (including Germany).

An open letter from 1200 health care workers called racism “a public health issue”, and said that it was too important to stop the protests in the name of not spreading the disease.

It seems if the right people deem your protest “important”, it removes all risk of spreading covid19. This coronavirus is a politcally savvy operator, allowing governments to be very picky about which protests are dangerous, and which are necessary.

Will other countries follow Germany’s example?

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Peter Langan
Peter Langan
Aug 29, 2020 10:19 PM

The only surprise is that Russian interference has not yet been blamed for stirring up the right wing fascists……. They really feel they need to stamp out Covid protests don’t they?

Kimberly
Kimberly
Aug 28, 2020 7:39 PM

Your link to the Paris demonstration is to a yellow vest march, not a covid march.

The Covid march (below)

https://www.garda.com/crisis24/news-alerts/372696/france-protest-scheduled-in-paris-on-august-29

‘’A demonstration is scheduled to take place in Paris on Saturday, August 29, in protest over coronavirus disease (COVID-19) restrictions in the country. The demonstration is expected to be held at Place de la Nation, where participants are set to gather from approximately 13:00 (local time). ‘’

wardropper
wardropper
Aug 28, 2020 1:04 PM

Let’s just be frank here. “Other countries” will not follow Germany’s example, but the media’s very own politicians and scientists in other countries will.

Kimberly
Kimberly
Aug 28, 2020 7:45 PM
Reply to  wardropper

Counter coup or original coup, both are good and take us to the same place. Dictatorship.

Simon
Simon
Aug 28, 2020 1:00 PM

“Careful, careful. The freedom virus has reached Berlin!” 34,465 views

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z9RyvcpXW4E

This one is definitely a lefty.

Simon
Simon
Aug 28, 2020 12:37 PM

Berlin invites Europe – Festival for freedom and peace| Teaser for Demo on 29.08.2020 – Re-Upload – Aktivist Mann 2.0 – 978 subscribers

wardropper
wardropper
Aug 28, 2020 1:15 PM
Reply to  Simon

I know I’m being old-fashioned here, but can’t the media find a picture of a protester who DOESN’T look like:
a) a dangerously sociopathic university drop-out?
b) an old hippy?
c) an incoherent, attention-craving malcontent with green/purple hair?
d) all three of the above?
There really are protesters who dress unassumingly, have an excellent education and are eminently articulate. Political protesting is not the same thing as a teenager rebelling against parental guidance. Teenagers usually grow out of that phase, and the German authorities need to know that covid protest does not consist exclusively of teenage motivation.

Simon
Simon
Aug 28, 2020 1:45 PM
Reply to  wardropper

They are a terrorist network wanted for crimes against humanity not “authorities”. You can’t just go round having illegal wars and lockdowns and expect to maintain any lawful authority.

wardropper
wardropper
Aug 29, 2020 12:46 PM
Reply to  Simon

Quite right. I usually put quotation marks around “authorities” myself. Sorry for the lapse 🙂

Paul Vonharnish
Paul Vonharnish
Aug 28, 2020 1:57 PM
Reply to  wardropper

Hello wardropper: You’re right. The media picks the most politically biased photos from hundreds of random photos shot at various events. They even have the audacity to use “stock” photos if they can’t find a sick enough example. Thee public sips the Kool-aid like it’s vintage wine. And so it is…

Marvin
Marvin
Aug 28, 2020 11:07 AM

“The propaganda images from Italy have caused billions of people to fear and panic. They made the coup against our lives so far possible. On the fringes of the Corona Symposium of the AfD parliamentary group, I am talking to Italy’s most important virologist – PROF. MARIA RITA GISMONDO, 66 – from Milan. She has discovered the “first case of corona” south of the Alps … and also that the new type was already circulating unnoticed in 2019. She does not repeat the most blatant information – such as that “the body trucks” in Bergamo were actually empty – in front of the camera. A wise decision – but we will hear from her soon!”

In English

Julian
Julian
Aug 28, 2020 10:46 AM

Estefun

mikael
mikael
Aug 28, 2020 9:46 AM

Hurmf.
Again we see this prodjection tec. been used/utilized, indended or not, that is hard to know because somethings, false/fake narratives have been used for so long that its stuck into every day language use, and this narratives gives an instant recognition regarding what ever you want this prodjections to point onto, like this image, lord knows how many thousands of people attended, and probably an sea of posters etc, but no, the ONLY thing we have from this historical demonstation, do notice no rioting or burning, violence, etc, is an image of an swastica, all tho I can see what they have done, but again, the same image is been used/abused by everybody, incl so called Alternative sites for whatever that means this days.

The only good thing that have comed out of this CONvid scam/swindle is that people finaly is realising the ugly truth, Gov do lie, and they lie a lot, backs their lies with an science based upon consensusses and if you are well educated you should know that science based upon consensusses are everything but science, its nothing but an hiding place for scoundrels, period, I have read so much insane babbeling camuflaged as “setled” science that my mind bleeds, yeah, hurmf, and now we are going into an world run by AI, uh… programed by people whom is equally f…. up as the people beliving everything the MSM and Politicians tels them to belive, hallelujah, you are saved, “come with us thru the Gates of Hell and be saved”.

For once, since I have to end this humble rant, I am proud of the Germans, not their spectaculare rotten Gov lead by Mutti Morekill and the bunch of creapy bastards/retards, but by the People.
This time, I am not been sarcatic when I say I am impressed, and glad to see that somebody finaly is getting the facts straight and rises to fight the swindle witch is ruining your nation as in many others, incl Norway where they are abolutelly bonkers.
So Germans, Europa is watching because we need somebody to awake and take the lead, in an sea of castrats, the difference is always made by walking the walk, be the light.

peace

JacobWinger
JacobWinger
Aug 28, 2020 9:15 AM

So as not to be tracked during the demonstration, I would say turn off your phone completely.

jkb
jkb
Aug 30, 2020 6:01 AM
Reply to  JacobWinger

Sorry for the down vote. Unable to cancel it. Unable to up vote it to correct it too. Lol.

As about turning off the phone, on two occasions my phone’s battery lost about 40% 50% of power, though it was on airplane mode the whole night. It happened on two separate nights. My thoughts were that the phone was running the whole night without anyone using it. Now I’m looking for a way to put a physical switch to turn the battery off.

jkb
jkb
Aug 30, 2020 6:02 AM
Reply to  jkb

Btw, the battery was 5000mah.

jkb
jkb
Aug 30, 2020 6:04 AM
Reply to  jkb

Done correcting the down vote. Up vote cancelled the down vote. Lol.

Charlotte
Charlotte
Sep 1, 2020 6:28 PM
Reply to  jkb

I believe that turning it off, even disconnecting the battery doesn’t guarantee anything – they can still, if they want to, remove access your microphone and camera with no battery attached (don’t ask me how but that’s what smarter people than I am explained to me).

Maybe a faraday bag/wallet might help. Or you could leave your phone behind if you want more anonymity, but that’s probably just a clue of a different sort – if the close to the march, during those hours there was no activity…

If it makes you feel any better about the difficulty, you could take heart from the fact that there are now so many cctv cameras everywhere and such sophisticated AI that they can pick out anyone from a crowd even in full hjab just from their way of moving, even if they are trying to disguise their walk. China does this routinely, so the tech is up and running. Sorry I can’t offer anything more cheerful but it’s good to know what the situation is, so we can reflect on whether we want it or not.

Voxi Pop
Voxi Pop
Aug 28, 2020 2:34 AM

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VERGENZA
VERGENZA
Aug 28, 2020 12:42 AM

Few things about that:

First: AfD and others will demonstrate anyway. You can’t stop protests against a fake pandemic and the brutal dictatorship using this excuse to destroy your liberties by complying to what the dictators say.

Second: the presstitutes of the mainstream media, the corrupt politicians and their globalist masters always call real democrats: “fascist, far-right, nazis” or “conspiracy theorists”, “deniers” (climate change deniers, covid deniers, always something denier), “Russian agents” or “nuts” (like Bojo parroting his puppet master Bill Gates about people refusing to be forced vaccinated.

It’s gross and very simple: if they call someone or something far right, antisemitic, conspiracy theorist or populist, it means they try to discredit a real danger for them, suppress the truth and dissent.

So, the Germans, if they still have some, should go to portest in berlin, without mask or dictancing and be ready to fight the GESTAPO and the merkel Stasi .

SAME EVERYWHERE. THIS IS TIME TO FIGHT AND TO MAKE THE GLOBALIST SHIT IN THEIR PANTS, NOT TO OBEY AND COMPLY.

Johannes from Germany
Johannes from Germany
Aug 27, 2020 10:34 PM

“Statement re Arrival of Robert F. Kennedy, Jr.
 
Robert F. Kennedy, Jr., Chairman of Children’s Health Defense and a leader of the health freedom movement, arrives in Berlin Friday, August 28 to attend the inaugural meeting of Children’s Health Defense Europe, the first international chapter of this U.S. non-profit organization. He will meet with colleagues from all over Europe to discuss current global challenges to health and human rights. Organizers of the Saturday, August 29 Berlin rally for freedom, peace, free expression and respect have invited Mr. Kennedy to participate.”

Everybody is invited to join 🙂

Theobalt
Theobalt
Aug 28, 2020 12:19 AM

Can’t wait to see his reaction though

Cricky
Cricky
Aug 28, 2020 6:23 PM
Reply to  Theobalt

Invitation accepted: https://querdenken-711.de

JuraCalling
JuraCalling
Aug 27, 2020 9:14 PM

Germany has a long history of successful genocide carried out on chosen groups. And of all the elite groups that promote the perverted science once known as eugenics, they stand proud as the cool kid thanks to their success of the final solution.

So don’t you dare deny them the glory of this encore.Don’t you dare try to derail their attempt to win the Nobel Prize for Irony 2020.

Theobalt
Theobalt
Aug 28, 2020 12:21 AM
Reply to  JuraCalling

huh no… not a long history and others have done a lot more in that regard… you’re not right

JuraCalling
JuraCalling
Aug 28, 2020 1:45 AM
Reply to  Theobalt

can’t argue with all that information I suppose. Never easy to rebut a ‘huh’

Watt
Watt
Aug 28, 2020 12:42 PM
Reply to  JuraCalling

Germany was subjected to the most vicious propaganda after ww2. Still ongoing. Jailtime for challenging that taboo introduced 50 years on. Fraying at the seams, that old taboo!

JuraCalling
JuraCalling
Aug 28, 2020 4:40 PM
Reply to  Watt

I was talking about while WW2 was still underway. Do you mean after WW1 when they were hit by reparations to nations, the losing of land and a bad deal courtesy of the treatise of Versailles.That was the spur behind Hitler’s rise.

wardropper
wardropper
Aug 28, 2020 1:25 PM
Reply to  JuraCalling

Amongst the many perceptive comments you have made here, this one stands out as spectacularly racist…
How old are you? Are you perhaps Jewish? Racism can work both ways, you know.
I’m pretty old, but even my mother was only a teenager in 1933, and many countries have committed ‘successful’ genocide going way, way back before that…
There are also men of my father’s generation who fought in the war, and who still say, “Oh no, you can’t trust the Germans”, but who listens to that tripe today?
Our enemy is the media, and their nationality has absolutely nothing to do with it.

JudyJ
JudyJ
Aug 28, 2020 2:23 PM
Reply to  wardropper

My father (British Army, REME) was stationed in Germany for a few weeks immediately post-war, and he used to recount (not that he ever really spoke much about his wartime service) how friendly, welcoming and kind the German people were to him and his colleagues. He told a story of how he bought a present for a family who had been particularly kind and, having only a smattering of the German language, he gave it to them saying in an English/German hybrid communication that it was ‘A gift in recognition of his gratitude’. He wondered why the family initially reacted with shock/horror but when someone there who was more proficient in the two languages quickly explained the profound difference between ‘gift’ in English and ‘Gift’ in German the misunderstanding was swiftly overcome!

JuraCalling
JuraCalling
Aug 28, 2020 4:46 PM
Reply to  wardropper

”spectacularly racist ” and nothing to back up your accusation. You must be trying to be a trendy justice warrior.

Germany had 35 ‘groups’ marked by inverted triangles of different colour to make them easy to recognise. It wasn’t only the Jews they wanted put to sleep.

They used Zyklon B ( gas) to exterminate millions. They created that and then created Monsanto.They collected thousands of human subjects to experiment on then discard.And the declared war twice. Once for WW1 and again for WW2- both quite good culling excercises.

Because these things happened and I’m reporting it doesn’t make me a racist.

I didn’t say Germany was the only country to commit Genocide. Did I ? I just said they were the world leaders in it and the most succesful in advancing the cause of what was once called eugenics.

wardropper
wardropper
Aug 29, 2020 1:08 PM
Reply to  JuraCalling

Nothing to back up my accusation…?
Your last paragraph backs it up quite well enough.
Just ask yourself what motivated you to mention that Germans were world leaders in genocide, despite knowing that other countries have done the same at different times in history. The Armenian genocide, for example, gets no publicity today, but it was a terrible thing.
There is nothing “German” about wickedness and evil. I have done decades of homework on WW2, Zyklon, etc. etc. but it is a distraction from our current problem to single out any particular nation for special mention.
They are all in it today.
We no longer have the Germany of 1933 to deal with, and although Merkel might indeed be a special case, Germany is currently no more brainwashed a country than our own – which of course is certainly brainwashed enough.
These things come in waves, and there’s no saying where the worst of them might surface next. We just have to make sure we notice.

JuraCalling
JuraCalling
Aug 29, 2020 1:44 PM
Reply to  wardropper

”Just ask yourself what motivated you to mention that Germans were world leaders in genocide, despite knowing that other countries have done the same at different times in history. The Armenian genocide, for example, gets no publicity today, but it was a terrible thing.”

If you remember the thread’s title rather than looking for something to be outraged about so you can feel all sensitive and evolved, you’ll see the word ‘Germany’. I was pointing at the irony of them dictating over a global psyop run by the same elite class that organised and planned the holocaust and invested so much effort into finding a variety of ways to poison and kill people worldwide whose only crime was not being on their list of preferred ‘types’.

There is a world leader and champion of formula one racing.And darts.Does that mean nobody else plays darts or races formula one cars ?
No. It’s competitive. I never said the Germans were the only genocidal maniacs in history and, if you think i did, you must want that to be the case in order for you to have an excuse to moan on behalf of someone like any other justice warrior.I said they were the highest profile eugenicists historically.I could have quoted a few countries and dates and even figures.But this thread is about Germany, so my observations were relevant to the thread.If Genocide and poisoning innocent people in the name of eugenics has become synonymous with Germany, you need to ask why.It wasn’t and isn’t my fault.

” I have done decades of homework on WW2, Zyklon, etc. etc. but it is a distraction from our current problem to single out any particular nation for special mention.”

To mention a small elite with a programme to depopulate the world through deception and with poison isn’t relevant to Germany and what they wanted to do ? And the roots of Monsanto and who it’s biggest share holders are and which country created a ‘Monsanto Law’ to immunize them against law suits and exposure ?

The partnership between America and Germany throughout two world wars with the go -betweens being Prescott Bush and Henry Kissinger isn’t relevant ? Two people who were pivotal in moving thousands of Nazi scientists from Germany to America (rather than allow them to stand trial) over a ten year period isn’t relevant ?

”These things come in waves, and there’s no saying where the worst of them might surface next. We just have to make sure we notice.”

This isn’t a wave, it’s a continuation.I point that out in several posts.But when the internet is peppered with little justice warriors telling people they can’t say this and say that and accusing them of being anti this or ism that, that’s the real distraction.

Some men hate women; some women hate men; some whites hate blacks; some blacks hate whites;Some heterosexuals believe transgender is wrong; Some think immigration needs to be capped; some believe climate change is bullshit.They’re called opinions.Opinions can be right or wrong.But having freedom of speech is a right.

While the governments are trying to remove free speech and free expression through censorship or employing whining shills to do it for them via woke and JW groups, we don’t need people pretending they’re ‘right on’ and ‘all about diversity and freedom’ then scrutinising the net to try to derail people expressing opinions if they don’t align with their own.It’s predictable and tiresome .And it merely mimics the people in power they pretend to be standing in defiance of.

wardropper
wardropper
Aug 29, 2020 2:01 PM
Reply to  JuraCalling

Nobody’s outraged, but I feel it is wrong to apportion blame to the grandchildren of those who did bad things in WW2. Our current governments, media and corporate criminals are all doing terrible things as we speak, while, as I suggested, 1933 is a long time ago.
You are not alone in finding some styles of comment “tiresome”, but I have found that keeping comments short helps. In any case I have no intention of restricting myself to your recipe for good commenting, since you really seem to be far more outraged than I am.
All I hope for is that people will avoid stereotyping, which is the twin brother of racism, and you seemed to me to cross that line.
We all make mistakes. I do too. So, back to covid…

JuraCalling
JuraCalling
Aug 29, 2020 4:32 PM
Reply to  wardropper

”Nobody’s outraged, but I feel it is wrong to apportion blame to the grandchildren of those who did bad things in WW2. Our current governments, media and corporate criminals are all doing terrible things as we speak, while, as I suggested, 1933 is a long time ago.’

Prescott Bush was carrying on what his father had begun at the turn of the century. Prescott Bush was eventually found guilty of trading with the enemy ( Germany) and he was also illegally laundering money from Germany to Holland via the American Federal reserve and Brown Brothers Harriman. He made sure he put a lot of funding Germany’s way. Athough found guilty he was later an American senator. He had a son called George.He, in turn had a son called George ( Prescott’s grand child). Both Georges were in business with the Bin Laden family ( oil). Both oversaw wars and atrocities committed against Iraq.Both talked of a New World Order.Both contributed to the patriot act and the bills pushed through to oppress the people and spy on their privacy in the name of ‘protection and national security’.All much later than 1933.

”All I hope for is that people will avoid stereotyping, which is the twin brother of racism, and you seemed to me to cross that line.”

Yes of course I am. It’s racist to bring up historical events that really happened because the genocide of innocent people is freedom of expression.How dare I…

If I apologised for criticising Germany for their atrocities and reminding anyone of the trials that saw some of them hang ( was that racist too ?) I’d be called anti semitic by some other bleeding heart sobbing over his coloured wristbands.

I reported some historical events.You call that stereotyping and racist.

wardropper
wardropper
Sep 1, 2020 3:18 AM
Reply to  JuraCalling

Dynastic families do, of course exist – and you are quite right to call out the Bush specimens for the scum they are, but, for most of today’s mankind, “following in grandad’s footsteps” is not a common course of action. It’s only the ultra-privileged who encourage each other to think like that.
But your arguments do tend just to hop from one extreme to another, thus ensuring that nobody can either agree, or disagree, with you without one or the other extreme being used as a label with which you then criticize them.
You know very well that neither I, nor anyone else, would criticize you for “bringing up historical events that really happened”, but you go far beyond that. You assume that those who understand the dangers of generalizing are therefore diametrically opposed to what you say, when they are not.
An example of that is what you call, “Germany”, drawing the conclusion that because of what happened 75 years ago or more, “Germany” is not to be trusted today. That IS stereotyping and racist.
A less agitated commenter might have tried to show how today’s German society comprises a complex mixture of guilt, rebellion against the guilt, new generations who have no recollection of what the fuss was all about, a great deal of trans-national intermarrying, not to mention the issue of whether German DNA is in any way different from your own…
It just doesn’t wash to talk about “Germany” as if it were the same thing as nazism. What you draw attention to are the things which Germany no longer represents, yet which are of course still to be found in individuals and groups all over the world, some of which even have a great deal of influence on large populations.
I fear you are only content when somebody says about one of your long comments, “I entirely agree”. Anything else seems to upset you.

JuraCalling
JuraCalling
Sep 1, 2020 4:01 AM
Reply to  wardropper

I don’t think you should presume to know what I assume if you don’t fully get what i’m saying.

” for most of today’s mankind, “following in grandad’s footsteps” is not a common course of action. It’s only the ultra-privileged who encourage each other to think like that.”

 Yes, and if you cast your eyes back to what I actually said, you’ll see i was only talking about the ultra-privileged. That was my point.

”An example of that is what you call, “Germany”, drawing the conclusion that because of what happened 75 years ago or more, “Germany” is not to be trusted today. That IS stereotyping and racist”

Why have you made up a quote that i didn’t say ? is that the only way you can win a debate ? I never said they can’t be trusted today anywhere. if i did, quote it and show me.I pointed to their history( that means in the past). You know, that little matter of introducing the concept of racial hygiene ( racial extending to skin colour, physical disability, politics and sexuality) and their insanely vicious method of ‘cleansing’ the human race.

Like it or not, when you mention eugenics and human torture and insane scientific practice the Germans are on the tip of most people’s tongues from the days of their final solution ( NOT today) That’s a fact.But nobody is talking about them doing it today. The most ardent practitioners of eugenics since then has been America.Probably due to their unofficial merging with that Nazi party in ’47 and their love of pharma profits.

 Look at the culling vaccines have caused; the culling Monsanto has caused.The amounts of ‘conflicts’ and wars they enjoy.Does that make me racist too ? If so, I make no apologies. I happen to care for the whole human race and i’m prejudiced against those who want to wreck it. Virtue signallers don’t matter to me at all.I find their views pointless.

”I fear you are only content when somebody says about one of your long comments, “I entirely agree”. Anything else seems to upset you.”

 Not really. I welcome knowledge and being corrected. It’s how we learn. But when people have to put words into my mouth from theirs to then attack it’s a silly exercise isn’t it. I can’t explain words attributed to me that I never said can I ? You need to understand the difference between present and past.My negative observations are of the past.My references was to the history not today.

Last week I criticised Israel for their illegal war waged in Palestine.Another virtue signaller said i was anti semitic. All of this BS on a site full of people pretending they embrace free speech and diversity.That’s a laugh.

wardropper
wardropper
Sep 1, 2020 5:43 AM
Reply to  JuraCalling

Now you’re just accusing me of exactly what you do yourself.
I have put no words in your mouth. You have taken the words of other commenters who have said things you don’t agree with, and ascribed their motivations to me.
You also talk about a great number of interesting topics, where other people have criticized your view, but where I have not. Is your purpose to make me feel part of a conspiracy against you?
You say you can’t explain words attributed to you that you never said, but I have never asked you to. Again, it was others who did that.
I certainly enjoy learning from history, as you do, but you implied that the Germany of today has not moved on when you made the initial comment with which I took issue in this thread.
Please rest assured I have no animosity towards you, and I like to learn from mistakes too. Nothing I have said was intended to create a fight, or to belittle you in any way. I meant only what I said, and not what people might conceivably read into what I said.
We have typed a great number of words on this matter, when it really only boils down to what was perhaps a careless implication that Germany is as capable of horrible atrocities today as it ever was. My response was simply to point out that Germany, which has had to tolerate countless US military bases on its soil since the end of WW2, is no longer a pioneer in such things.
Of course it gets more complicated when one starts asking, “What is Germany?” Is it the people, is it the politicians, is it only a couple of exceptionally elite politicians, is it the country that produced all that wonderful art, poetry and music by amazing individuals?
I’m afraid that most of the rest of our discussion has been wasted in running pointless circles around issues which neither of us intended to address at all – at least not on this particular page. Since I do read almost all of the articles here, I try to save time by getting to the core of the issue where possible.
Anyway, the protest was not banned after all, and apparently it went well, despite the media predictably ignoring it. Small mercies, for now.

JuraCalling
JuraCalling
Sep 1, 2020 3:50 PM
Reply to  wardropper

”I have put no words in your mouth. You have taken the words of other commenters who have said things you don’t agree with, and ascribed their motivations to me.”

Behave yourself.If you want to bait someone don’t run away if they bite.

You said :

”An example of that is what you call, “Germany”, drawing the conclusion that because of what happened 75 years ago or more, “Germany” is not to be trusted today. That IS stereotyping and racist.”

Yes, I call it ‘Germany’ . I think you’ll find a lot of people do. It’s the name of the country.I didn’t say Germany isn’t to be trusted today because of what it did 75 years ago. You said i said it.

”You also talk about a great number of interesting topics, where other people have criticized your view, but where I have not. Is your purpose to make me feel part of a conspiracy against you?”

A couple of points. I see no signs of a conspiracy against me or anyone else.I think you’re paranoid if you imagine that I imagine something.The other point- conspiracy or no conspiracy against me.It means nothing.

At the end of the day my only gripe concerning Germany hasn’t been mentioned here.I can’t abide it’s chancellor, I’ll say that. Call me anti-feminist, anti-semitic- anti German, or antibiotic. I really don’t care.I believe she embodies arrogance and is in league with the darker forces of governments elsewhere.I think the German people will sicken of her soon.But that’s another subject.For this one, I’m making the line between history and the present clear.

wardropper
wardropper
Sep 1, 2020 4:00 PM
Reply to  JuraCalling

Pure semantics. We’re done.
The core of the issue has become your over-developed competitive urge to win an argument, and you still assume I even care whether you are anti-this or anti-that. All the added extra substance to our conversation comes from you, since winning is more important than sticking to the point.
I simply pointed out a misleading, inaccurate and prejudiced use of the word “Germany”, and I made no other assumptions about you or your comment.
I like, and agree with much of what you generally have to say, so let’s just leave it at that.

JuraCalling
JuraCalling
Sep 1, 2020 6:32 PM
Reply to  wardropper

There’s a big difference between semantics and lies. You didn’t misinterpret my words, you replaced them then tried to use the new words as an excuse to call me prejudiced.

It’s not a matter of winning an argument it’s a matter of correcting somebody making allegations that have no substance.

”and you still assume I even care whether you are anti-this or anti-that. ”

No, you pulled a hamstring trying to stretch a point that I hadn’t made but you had, in order to accuse me of being anti German. That’s a lot of wasted effort if you don’t ‘even care’ wouldn’t you agree.

”I simply pointed , inaccurate and prejudiced use of the word ‘ Germany’ “

Oh, OK. What should i have called it- Japan ?

When me, or anyone you read or listen too, names ‘Germany’ ( Japan) in the context of genocide and eugenics – based murder they are not blaming the whole country and it’s citizens, they’re talking about the Nazi party.It won’t be an analysis of the history of genocide, but the headliner will always be Germany due to their overt pride in their quest to eliminate more than just Jews. Some paid the price at the show trial in Nuremberg.Most were paid to join America and carry their quest forward with greater momentum.So yes, I’m anti CIA as well.Does that make me prejudiced against all Americans ?

 At the risk of offending you or anyone else, I admit I’m slightly prejudiced against Nazis. I think they were unpleasant.So, I’m a little ‘anti – nazi’. The thread was relating to Germany.So my reply was too. 

wardropper
wardropper
Sep 1, 2020 9:43 PM
Reply to  JuraCalling

I don’t connive – there is simply no need to – nor am I easily offended. But all your points use extreme examples, which takes us so far afield that it derails our conversation from what I actually said and what I actually think.
To take your last paragraph, for example:
“I admit I’m slightly prejudiced against Nazis. I think they were unpleasant”
In case that was not sarcasm, “unpleasant” is surely far too mild a word for what the SS stood for, and yet, for the general population of Germany at that time, it is probably an unnecessarily rude word.
You see how one gets into a quagmire of irrelevant material that way: I then have to point out to you that I am actually VERY prejudiced against the Nazis, as if such a thing needed to be stated in the first place, and as if I had given someone the impression that I supported them, simply because I had not included the sum-total of my knowledge of WW2 in a single comment.
That’s what I mean by “assumptions”.
I am trying to understand where you’re coming from here, but it seems we are really just quarrelling over elusive definitions of what it is to imply something, as well as perhaps very different outlooks on life.
At any rate, clearly, neither of us will back down, and I regret to say that the discussion is therefore going nowhere.
So, I’ll just continue to enjoy your informative comments from afar, and I wish you well.

Paul Vonharnish
Paul Vonharnish
Aug 28, 2020 2:12 PM
Reply to  JuraCalling

juraCalling: Erm… Every Nation that ever existed has resorted to genocide at one time or another. The NWO (World Health Organization) is attempting to make the practice morally acceptable…

You can’t learn much about factual history Googling on a cell phone…

wardropper
wardropper
Aug 28, 2020 3:12 PM

To be fair, Jura doesn’t usually do this. I can’t understand what happened here…

JuraCalling
JuraCalling
Aug 28, 2020 4:55 PM

I think you need to pay attention rather than try the witticisms.

I referred to Germany as the most successful in the field of eugenics and genocide.I didn’t suggest or imply that they were the only culprits.They upped the ante once they found America’s side entrance. China have done quite well as have other countries.But mention Genocide and Eugenics, people think Germany.Not because they were the only ones, but the ones who brought it into the glare of world news.

Paul Vonharnish
Paul Vonharnish
Aug 28, 2020 11:13 PM
Reply to  JuraCalling

Hello juraCalling: I stand corrected in terms of your suggesting that Germany as just another avid exterminator of select enemies…

The Germanic territories have been invaded and pillaged by many attackers throughout history. It’s no wonder the descendants acquired a rather jaded view…

The Old Testament reeks of conflict and genocide. It’s a wonderful model…

Hei
Hei
Aug 27, 2020 8:30 PM

On with the Brave New World.
http://www.UNNWO.org, the Great Reset https://www.weforum.org/great-reset

What a ‘democracy’ do politicians want to turn Germany/the EU/the US/Australia/NZ into (again)?

They sure have found a way to control most people’s minds, based on fear, disinformation, censorship, and run by authoritarianism.

wardropper
wardropper
Aug 27, 2020 8:06 PM

If these brain-damaged “authorities” only knew how UN-right-wing the protesters actually are…

Galahad
Galahad
Aug 28, 2020 6:39 AM
Reply to  wardropper

They know and they don’t care. Neither do they care that their (the controllers’) arguments are wrong and that the protesters are right.

The only thing they care about is advancing their agenda.

wardropper
wardropper
Aug 28, 2020 1:29 PM
Reply to  Galahad

You’re right of course. Looks like we’re headed for a confrontation, where the ‘authorities’ will be compelled to face the disconnect between what they know, and what they are doing.
Which is no more than what happens to many criminals every single day.

Werner
Werner
Aug 27, 2020 7:33 PM

We were approx 1 million people, normal citizens for freedom and civil rights and then the Berlin mayor calls us Nazis and conspiracy theorists, the usual bs …

Dr NG Maroudas
Dr NG Maroudas
Aug 27, 2020 6:25 PM

“First they came for the Right Wing Extremists ….”

George Mc
George Mc
Aug 27, 2020 7:39 PM
Reply to  Dr NG Maroudas

Fashion!
Turn to the left
Fashion!
Turn to the right
Oooh, fashion!
We are the goon squad and we’re coming to town
Beep-beep Beep-beep

Dr NG Maroudas
Dr NG Maroudas
Aug 28, 2020 4:35 AM
Reply to  George Mc

Fashion note. The Con-19 hijab is now being worn in smooth shapely Lycra, with pretty polka dot patterns for the younger woman. And of course in classic black, ideal for Sultry Susan with glossy raven raven hair. His’n’Hers Con-19 Hijab in Classic Black for the conservative male wearer, as well as for Young Men in Black in search of the professional look.

“The little black Con-19 hijab will never go out of style” — Vogue Magazine

George Mc
George Mc
Aug 28, 2020 8:16 AM
Reply to  Dr NG Maroudas

Next up: a whole new musical genre – Coronarock, an explosive mixture of punky angst and techno chill to convey the utter solipsism of our rising autistic solitaries.

Paul Vonharnish
Paul Vonharnish
Aug 28, 2020 2:17 PM
Reply to  George Mc

Ooooo! “rising autistic solitaries”. Ooooo! Good one!

JudyJ
JudyJ
Aug 28, 2020 2:27 PM
Reply to  George Mc

Good title for a West End musical! They’d have to be sure to include an homage to the nurses’ and doctors’ (we mustn’t forget that they also participated) TikTok videos.

Steve Hayes
Steve Hayes
Aug 27, 2020 3:30 PM

The double standards on the right to protest reveal which protests support the interests of the ruling globalist neoliberal elite and which protests challenge their interests.

Simon
Simon
Aug 27, 2020 4:47 PM
Reply to  Steve Hayes

The germ theory is racist.

Italy and Spain have both experienced high COVID-19 mortality rates, and the new study shows that both countries have lower average vitamin D levels than most northern European countries. This is partly because people in southern Europe, particularly the elderly, avoid strong sun, while skin pigmentation also reduces natural vitamin D synthesis.

The highest average levels of vitamin D are found in northern Europe, due to the consumption of cod liver oil and vitamin D supplements, and possibly less sun avoidance. Scandinavian nations are among the countries with the lowest number of COVID-19 cases and mortality rates per head of population in Europe.

https://aru.ac.uk/news/vitamin-d-linked-to-low-virus-death-rate-study

Galahad
Galahad
Aug 28, 2020 6:48 AM
Reply to  Simon

Yep – vitamin D is definitely a marker of health.

Little mentioned though, is the importance of metabolic health.

Indicators of poor metabolic health are if you

  • are obese or have high levels of visceral fat
  • have high blood pressure,
  • have diabetes,
  • high triglycerides
  • low HDL

These are the most important comorbidities associated with coronavirus. “Coincidentally”, they are also indicators of an early death from other causes.

Fortunately, metabolic health is easily fixed with a low-carb and zero-seed-oil diet.

George The Porge
George The Porge
Aug 27, 2020 2:51 PM

This demonstration will not be stopped. Au contraire! It will be the biggest peaceful anti-government protest Germany has ever seen.

Barovsky
Barovsky
Aug 27, 2020 6:13 PM

Kinda connected: Apparently, according to this video https://williambowles.info/2020/07/23/watch-germanys-covid-19-extra-parliamentary-inquiry/

In Germany there’s an extra-parliamentary inquiry into the Virus but requests about what happened, have drawn a blank. Does anybody have info on this please?

Barovsky
Barovsky
Aug 27, 2020 7:27 PM
Reply to  Lorie

Danke

John
John
Aug 27, 2020 2:15 PM

In The Netherlands, after a progressive mayor of the city of Amsterdam (the typical fanatic progressive mad woman) made a plea for an anti-racist demonstration in relation tot the recent allegedly racist killing in the US (I forgot the name), the right wing jumped on her and violently attacked her for doing that in the light of the alleged danger of infection during corona crisis, and for it being allowed. They where right concerning the obvious inconsistency of course.

Democracy my friends, like Oscar Wilde wrote, is the bludgeoning of the people, by the people, for the people. It is a long term orgy of hate and violence, an orgy of licentiousness in a twisted way combined with being a dictatorship of a thousand little dictators. May the greatest dictator of the two of a kind win the war.

Rhys Jaggar
Rhys Jaggar
Aug 27, 2020 2:03 PM
  1. There is nothing either right wing or left wing about interrogating biomedical evidence. It has nothing to do with economics, merely to do with scientific probity.
  2. As there is no specific targeting of the Jewish population by Covid19, there cannot be anything antisemitic about any position taken concerning the SARS-CoV2 virus.
  3. The only way any views about Jews can be involved in SARS-CoV2 would be the hypothetical situation that Jews were involved in one or more of: manufacturing a bioweapon subsequently released as SARS-CoV2; deliberately releasing that weapon in particular locations like Wuhan, Iran and/or Italy; organising profits to be made by Jewish-owned biotech companies through development of vaccines, having previously known that controlled release of a bioweapon was going to occur.

There is literally zero evidence right now that Jews did any of the things in point 3.

Anybody who comes up with cogent evidence that they did should share it with the world, however.

John
John
Aug 27, 2020 3:25 PM
Reply to  Rhys Jaggar

Study the networks of Zionism, both left and right wing, study the funding of political activism by mega wealthy Zionist Jews, both left and right, study the amount of big-tech which is in the hands of Zionists. Study the hand of Zionism in overall Western affairs (from a non political side). This will take some months, even years, then you may return from ignorance and decide whether where the influence and acitivity is extremely disproportional or not, and whether this influence is negligible. And you can throw away your list of framed simplistic arguments.

ZenPriest
ZenPriest
Aug 27, 2020 5:29 PM
Reply to  John

Correct. Point 3 is laughable in its simplicity. The fact that Jews control most of the worlds media, is reason alone to suspect the Jews of having a hand in ‘Covid 19’.

John
John
Aug 27, 2020 6:35 PM
Reply to  ZenPriest

If, through some wonder, the Chinese would have an influence on Western affairs like Zionists have, all the media would cry shame where they keep silent now. The Chinese would soon be out, as they do not have the weapon of crying ‘antisemitism’, the latter being the means to keep the Western populations under control.
The tribal anachronism of Zionism fits perfectly with the abuse of Western science and pseudo science for tribal goals.

gordon
gordon
Aug 27, 2020 6:55 PM
Reply to  John

do you mean ashkanazim that self identify as jews
that worship satan

the ones mentioned in that book the 13th tribe?

John
John
Aug 27, 2020 7:32 PM
Reply to  gordon

Seems a rethorical question, no I do not engage in such speculative theories, these are for entertainment and fiction. Zionism as a force which has an enormous influence on Western affairs is a phemenon which can be observed, it consists of the most various types of people, with a wide range of beliefs, the common denominator being collective tribal interests, and the subconscious force of the tribe..

wardropper
wardropper
Sep 1, 2020 5:53 AM
Reply to  John

Whatever Rhys Jagger is, he is not ignorant, and in fact some arguments are much simpler than they seem at first.
“Follow the money”, for example, still delivers a rich harvest of enlightenment every single year.

crank
crank
Aug 27, 2020 5:09 PM
Reply to  Rhys Jaggar

Fair points probably. (although previous form might be something to consider).
Darren Allen makes a broad stroke contribution here:
https://expressiveegg.org/2020/08/27/against-conspiracy-theories/
Lots I would take issue with, but nonetheless…

Barovsky
Barovsky
Aug 27, 2020 5:58 PM
Reply to  Rhys Jaggar

I’m losing the will to live

George Mc
George Mc
Aug 27, 2020 7:40 PM
Reply to  Barovsky

I lost it years ago. But I’m still here.

Barovsky
Barovsky
Aug 27, 2020 8:30 PM
Reply to  George Mc

Hah! So you say… but show me the proof

George Mc
George Mc
Aug 27, 2020 10:09 PM
Reply to  Barovsky

We are entering murky existentialist waters. I think therefore I …well, just think really!

Barovsky
Barovsky
Aug 27, 2020 10:30 PM
Reply to  George Mc

Ah but you only think that you think

Dr NG Maroudas
Dr NG Maroudas
Aug 27, 2020 6:42 PM
Reply to  Rhys Jaggar

Individual Jews have denounced Con-19 as a hoax, but the Anglo Zio Capitalist Establishment is solid for Con-19. And that attitude filters down from the handful of uber rich top Con-19 manufacturers via the wealthy MSM wholesalers to the middle class middlemen.

Fact Checker
Fact Checker
Aug 28, 2020 12:53 AM
Reply to  Rhys Jaggar

I posted a reply hours ago that appears lost in moderation-purgatory because I included links.
In short, Moderna is thoroughly Jewish, founded by Robert Langer, and with Israeli Chief Medical Officer Tal Zaks bragging he is going to reengineer humanity.
Moderna forged a contract in December 2019, so before the scam, to develop “mRNA vaccines for coronavirus.” Moderna has already gotten a windfall, and it is only the beginning.
And did they know about the forthcoming operation? Everybody with any connections knew full well Event-201 foretold. Watch the video: they all quickly stop using the conditional tense, and shift straight into the future-imperative tense.
Frankly, I don’t know if your “zero evidence” quip is ironic or what.
(Note, I don’t say “release of a bioweapon” because I’m not so sure that actually happened.)
Links to Whitney Webb’s articles exhaustively detailing all this are at lastamericanvagabond(dot)com.

Norbertrand
Norbertrand
Aug 27, 2020 1:35 PM

Just turn of your TVs and sharpen your pitch forks !

Simon
Simon
Aug 27, 2020 1:34 PM

Dr. Troy Benfield is a chiropractor from the U.S. who was faced with incredible ignorance and abuse of rights by so-called holistic practitioners who have also fallen prey to the hoax that is the germ theory and this current viral trojan horse. Amandha Vollmer interviews him on his experience and also what is new and upcoming for him.

Cheer Up
Cheer Up
Aug 27, 2020 1:10 PM
Rhys Jaggar
Rhys Jaggar
Aug 27, 2020 12:58 PM

When will politicians learn that if you ban peaceful protest, then pretty soon you get violent disturbances??

Fabrizio
Fabrizio
Aug 27, 2020 1:09 PM
Reply to  Rhys Jaggar

absolutely right! I think this time is getting closer and closer each day…

JudyJ
JudyJ
Aug 27, 2020 1:20 PM
Reply to  Rhys Jaggar

Unfortunately I think that is exactly what they are hoping for, so they can point to ‘evidence’, for the benefit of those who may be ‘on the fence’ or avid pandemic believers, that the anti-lockdown movement comprises fascist right wingers who just want to cause trouble.

Paul_too
Paul_too
Aug 27, 2020 6:17 PM
Reply to  JudyJ

Totally agree.

Arsebiscuits
Arsebiscuits
Aug 27, 2020 1:31 PM
Reply to  Rhys Jaggar

It’s what they want.

Dr NG Maroudas
Dr NG Maroudas
Aug 27, 2020 6:34 PM
Reply to  Arsebiscuits

So, give it to them!

“My great regret is that we Social Democrats did not confront the Nazis physically on the streets”. — German Chancellor Willy Brandt, speaking to the Beeb — 40 years too late.

dr death
dr death
Aug 28, 2020 4:12 PM
Reply to  Dr NG Maroudas

They did and lost.
What part of his own history does that CIA stooge not grasp.

John
John
Aug 27, 2020 2:25 PM
Reply to  Rhys Jaggar

Peaceful protests are for slaves and the meek. The democracy came about through violence, peaceful protests, having to ask permission from authorities, applauded by media and authorities for their peacefulness will get the respect they deserve. That is, protests of the meek, to be ignored, at best lip service will be paid.

IANA
IANA
Aug 27, 2020 2:37 PM
Reply to  Rhys Jaggar

That just plays right into the hands of those itching to label any disturbances evidence of the rise of the right wing. This provides further opportunity to shut down dissenting voices and marginalise those not singing from the central planners hymn sheet.

JohnEss
JohnEss
Aug 27, 2020 3:00 PM
Reply to  IANA

I hope that will depend on how quickly and how far they spread.

dr death
dr death
Aug 28, 2020 4:27 PM
Reply to  IANA

You have already been labeled, these slanders are concocted to smear those that are awake to the nonsense being perpetrated on them.
To these people and their apparatchick golems you are a nazi, ‘literally Hitler’ because you wish to stop them.
Left and right as terminologies need to be retired asap to confront the monstrosity that is coming into view, they are after all their terms of engagement.

wardropper
wardropper
Aug 28, 2020 3:19 PM
Reply to  Rhys Jaggar

They know, they are counting on it and they are just itching to use their newest crowd-control devices on a violent disturbance.
Make no mistake, they are prepared.
Of course 10 million protesters would take some quelling, but, unfortunately, that’s 10 million people who would rather be at home watching Love Island, or playing a video game.
The politicians know that too, because they’ve done surveys…

sabelmouse
sabelmouse
Aug 27, 2020 12:04 PM

deniers! religious language!

Joerg
Joerg
Aug 27, 2020 5:34 PM
Reply to  sabelmouse

When they call you a “Covid denier” tell them that you are also a ‘Santa Claus denier’, an ‘Easter Bunny denier’ and a ‘Stork-brings-babies’ denier.

Barovsky
Barovsky
Aug 27, 2020 11:46 AM

Has anybody got any news on whether the UK plans on banning this Saturday’s demo? So far, I haven’t found anything (yet)?

JudyJ
JudyJ
Aug 27, 2020 5:31 PM
Reply to  Barovsky

The tactic would appear to be to conflate the Freedom/anti-lockdown rally with widespread Extinction Rebellion protests planned for the next few days. Makes you wonder if the ER protests have been deliberately encouraged or even co-ordinated by the PTB as a smokescreen for the anti-lockdown movement and even to cause trouble there.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8670365/Extinction-Rebellion-plans-bank-holiday-weekend-protests-road-blocks.html#comments

Note that the the first list of ‘ER’ events in the article refers to ‘mass [ER] gatherings in various cities’, including London, on Saturday. According to the text of the article there will be ‘converging [ER] marches including Trafalgar Square throughout the capital, but further down in a table giving details it refers only to an ER gathering at the Bank of England. On the face of it, that wouldn’t appear to be a major gathering. There is no mention at all of the Freedom/anti-lock down rally in the article.

One of the BTL comments is from a lady saying that she is going to ‘the anti-lockdown protest in Trafalgar Square and she hopes that ER don’t cause trouble’. Someone replies to her that she ‘shouldn’t be having her own protest at an organised protest’ (i.e. ER).

This is all looking highly ominous.

Gezzah Potts
Gezzah Potts
Aug 28, 2020 7:20 AM
Reply to  JudyJ

It’s no coincidence Judy… its being done very deliberately. One of my Facebook friends in Birmingham pointed this out a few days ago and said not to wear dark clothing because Antifa were planning to protest and link up with ER or BLM.
The puppet masters are pulling the strings of their ‘activist’ pets and the main reason will be to take the focus right away from the anti lockdown protest. And have a guess who the disgusting media will cover and who they will ignore? No prize for guessing.
These bastards will try any tactic to maintain their power. Divide and rule is one of the oldest tricks in the book.

Grafter
Grafter
Aug 27, 2020 11:13 AM

Ignore them. Defy them. Fight them !

George The Porge
George The Porge
Aug 27, 2020 2:53 PM
Reply to  Grafter

We will.

wardropper
wardropper
Aug 28, 2020 3:23 PM
Reply to  Grafter

What? All three…?

Simon
Simon
Aug 27, 2020 11:09 AM

People really need to stop wearing masks. It is a act of terrorism scaring children and everyone. Aiding and abetting genocidal criminals. The people wearing masks are no different than nazis.

Barovsky
Barovsky
Aug 27, 2020 11:49 AM
Reply to  Simon

Y’know, this is just the kind of talk that the govt luvs! Strikes me that either, you’re a provocateur or, you’ve never come across real Nazi.

Simon
Simon
Aug 27, 2020 12:21 PM
Reply to  Barovsky

Real nazis are the WHO ane anyone enabling them by wearing masks and peddling their propaganda. They are a terrorist group and recruit people to become terrorists themselves. The people wearing masks are such terrorists who have been recruited and now scare others and recruit them. They don’t need to be aware of it to be doing it. Even a terrorist bomber will have been sold some story inorder to convince them or might not even be aware there is a bomb in their bag having been tricked into it. They are never the less still engaged in terrorism. The act of wearing a mask could facilitate much more serious crimes such as the mass genocide the covid cult have been planning under guise of a “second wave”. They have already for many years been murdering people with ‘flu vaccines’ etc. under guise of “flu season”.

covidiot
covidiot
Aug 27, 2020 2:44 PM
Reply to  Simon

wearing a mask harms only the people who do it, unlike setting bombs. you’re clearly an idiot.

Counter Economist
Counter Economist
Aug 27, 2020 3:12 PM
Reply to  Simon

WHO is proven to promote fake pandemics (e.g. SARS 1) and they changed the definition of a global pandemic so that they can claim one from a smaller national impact, with a smaller number of cases.

I don’t have the proof, but I’d be confident that WHO are involved in generating new pandemics alongside big pharma, national health bodies and multinational NGOs, philanthropic charities.

Fact Checker
Fact Checker
Aug 28, 2020 12:59 AM

There’s a division of labor.
The Military develops the bioweapons, in a multinational cooperative manner.
The supra-national “authorities” call the plays to the constituent civil governments.
The philanthropies facilitate the social restructuring and the propaganda.
The Big Pharm industry distributes the pathogens to the people, and the profits to the players.

dr death
dr death
Aug 28, 2020 4:39 PM
Reply to  Barovsky

And neither have you.
nazis, nazis ,nazis, there are no nazis.The nazis were destroyed in 1945, it’s a bogeyman relentlessly pumped by the usual suspects who own and control all the astro turf organizations they created. You watch to much hitler channel.

John Ervin
John Ervin
Aug 29, 2020 2:23 PM
Reply to  dr death

Serious? Nazis all gone, extinct like the dodo?

If you ARE serious, we’d like to know what boulder you’ve been squatting under for the past 75 years! Hitler’s top spy, General Reinhard Gehlen, was smuggled over to CIA by Allen Dulles in a U.S. officer’s uniform in 1947 to be made the de facto DCI, head of CIA, and his most key others with him.

Oh, that’s right, I forgot: they were “de-nazified”………

If you can believe that, I’ve got this bridge in Brooklyn, NYC, I’m practically “giving away”. It’s a real bargain, 100% de-nazified. Got it a while back from a NYC de-nazified real estate guy by the name of Drumpf, or wait, maybe it was Trumpf.

Binra
Binra
Aug 27, 2020 1:58 PM
Reply to  Simon

You are so willing to make hate objects of your fellow human beings instead of addressing what lies beneath. This pattern is so predicatably common.
The Gov wont need to kill you. You can do this to each other for them.

sabelmouse
sabelmouse
Aug 28, 2020 11:23 AM
Reply to  Simon

instead they put them ON children!

James Kreis
James Kreis
Aug 27, 2020 11:06 AM

Yet they cheered on the mass gatherings in Minsk.

Tom
Tom
Aug 27, 2020 10:58 AM

It does not take a majority to prevail … but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brushfires of freedom in the minds of men.

– Samuel Adams

wardropper
wardropper
Aug 28, 2020 3:29 PM
Reply to  Tom

Inspiring words… but one has to ask at what point do they translate into action?
In my own particular case, I am able to get on with life almost as normal, and I am cerainly a part of that irate, tireless minority, but it still hurts to see so many of my fellow humans march in lockstep to their next prison. It’s hard for people to believe this is actually happening, which is why it is so hard for them to do something effective about it.

Jusfit
Jusfit
Aug 27, 2020 9:48 AM

A ban is a red rag to a bull.

Tom
Tom
Aug 27, 2020 10:41 AM
Reply to  Jusfit

Indeed, blood in the water.

Toby Russell
Toby Russell
Aug 27, 2020 9:45 AM

The noise from the movement’s lawyers and other ‘luminaries’ is that this decision will be overturned shortly – by Friday evening. They have brought an ‘Eilantrag’ – an urgent, accelerated legal process challenging the ban – and are consequently in constant liaison with the deciding court, and are very confident the ban will be overturned. On the communications side, this is being received by the movement as the best advertising they could ever have wished for, and indeed reactions from Germans across various channels can be summed up as, “Well now I’m coming and nothing can stop me”. Ken Jebsen has suggested simply saying they’re not demonstrating, they’re just going for a democratic stroll through Berlin. Markus Haintz, one of the movement’s lead lawyers, has called for Geisel’s resignation. And so on.

It smells very strongly of panicked desperation on the part of the state. Indeed, there was a whistleblower leak about 10 days ago from someone inside govt saying exactly this: the Merkel regime is in a state of bunker-panic. They have lost control and legitimacy and rapidly growing numbers of ‘ordinary’ Germans are being radicalised by this ban.

All eyes on Germany!

Jusfit
Jusfit
Aug 27, 2020 9:49 AM
Reply to  Toby Russell

……..including the UK, France and Canada,

JohnEss
JohnEss
Aug 27, 2020 3:18 PM
Reply to  Jusfit

Yes. Australians can (and must) learn a lot from the German people.

Eyes Open
Eyes Open
Aug 27, 2020 10:31 AM
Reply to  Toby Russell

Thank you so much for your comment. Your analysis on this issue has been invaluable.

DunGroanin
DunGroanin
Aug 27, 2020 10:43 AM
Reply to  Toby Russell

Pathetic gaslighting!

You lot are bonkers. ‘Oh look nasty germanses’ – howid!

How about our moronic algorithms and Bozo and co abusing authority and scapegoating honest civil servants?

Cliff Edwards
Cliff Edwards
Aug 27, 2020 11:48 AM
Reply to  DunGroanin

Pathetic misunderstanding of the term “gaslighting”, Dung boy.

Philippe
Philippe
Aug 27, 2020 11:59 AM
Reply to  DunGroanin

Honest civil servants?

In which work of fiction did you find that little gem?

George Mc
George Mc
Aug 27, 2020 1:51 PM
Reply to  DunGroanin

Perhaps some of us are getting tired of being deflected towards Bojo and all the other foot soldier decoys of the elite?

crank
crank
Aug 27, 2020 2:16 PM
Reply to  DunGroanin

What would you know about honesty Dung ?

Steve Hayes
Steve Hayes
Aug 27, 2020 3:35 PM
Reply to  crank

Unfortunately, I fear Dun is sincere.

Someone
Someone
Aug 27, 2020 10:48 AM
Reply to  Toby Russell

Can you link us to this leaked material? Is it available online?

Toby Russell
Toby Russell
Aug 27, 2020 1:52 PM
Reply to  Someone

I watched a report on YouTube but sadly can’t find it anymore. My liked-videos history show plenty of deletions, so perhaps it got removed. The insider remained anonymous, they were only filmed from the rear, and their voice was disguised. Not the strongest evidence on its own perhaps, but in conjunction with what took place on 1 August and what is taking place right now re. the band, plus common-sense assessments regarding the enormity of what is at stake for the Merkel regime, that a whistleblower would emerge and report what he/she reported is neither surprising nor at all at odd with events.

Sorry I can’t be more helpful than that.

Toby Russell
Toby Russell
Aug 27, 2020 1:53 PM
Reply to  Toby Russell

“re. the ban“, not “re. the band”!

Someone
Someone
Aug 27, 2020 4:01 PM
Reply to  Toby Russell
Toby Russell
Toby Russell
Aug 27, 2020 6:39 PM
Reply to  Someone

That sounds like Stephan Kohn, a civil servant at the Ministry of the Interior, who leaked his risk assessment of the corona measures and kinda lost his job. No, I’m talking of a different leak, came out shortly after the demonstration on 1 August.

Toby Russell
Toby Russell
Aug 27, 2020 1:58 PM
Reply to  Toby Russell

Via vlogger/activist Samuel Eckert and a klagepaten.de idea, the movement just submitted 1,000 new demonstration requests in Berlin for Saturday 20 August (YouTube, in German) to the police today. Not sure what effect it will have, but it shows the spirit behind this movement and its ability to react nimbly and creatively.

Tom
Tom
Aug 27, 2020 4:40 PM
Reply to  Toby Russell

15,000+ live viewers, 100K+ views in five hours! And this is according to YouTube, which is known to mess with statistics of wrongthink channels. I think there will be millions in Berlin on Saturday. And I will be one of them!

Tom
Tom
Aug 27, 2020 5:04 PM
Reply to  Toby Russell

Eventually more than 6,500 registered demonstrations for 29 August!

George The Porge
George The Porge
Aug 27, 2020 5:24 PM
Reply to  Tom

Alter Schwede! Ich war noch bei 3000 Anmeldungen…

George The Porge
George The Porge
Aug 27, 2020 5:22 PM
Reply to  Toby Russell

It’s not only the “Eilantrag” that’s in the works. Almost 3000 seperate demonstrations have been registered with the authorities in Berlin. They’re gonna eat shit and I can’t wait for it!

Donald Duck
Donald Duck
Aug 27, 2020 5:45 PM
Reply to  Toby Russell

” … the Merkel regime is in a state of bunker-panic.” I hope you’re right. For too long the CDU bloc has been the errand boy of the CIA directives in Europe. If change is to come in Europe it must firstly be in Germany. All of those EU Eastern European states are hopeless lickspittles of US imperialism, they just do whatever they are told. Germany is the foreman of the US boss. No change in Europe without a change in Germany.

dr death
dr death
Aug 28, 2020 5:24 PM
Reply to  Donald Duck

Very well said sir.

hope
hope
Aug 28, 2020 4:45 PM
Reply to  Toby Russell

Toby, do you know what happened with the court case? Has the ban been overturned?

Toby Russell
Toby Russell
Aug 28, 2020 5:08 PM
Reply to  hope

Yes, the ban has been overturned, early this afternoon. And Robert F Kennedy Jr is in Berlin already and will be giving a speech tomorrow.

Barovsky
Barovsky
Aug 28, 2020 10:03 PM
Reply to  Toby Russell

Well as you know, it’s been reversed but they have to observe ‘social distancing’ but no masks aparently. Here in the UK, if you organise a demo, it’s a ten grand fine.

JudyJ
JudyJ
Aug 27, 2020 10:30 AM
Reply to  Barovsky

Unbelievable.

JohnEss
JohnEss
Aug 27, 2020 3:30 PM
Reply to  Barovsky

Real mind games shit, eh?

Fuck, those bastards need some justice…

Michael McNulty
Michael McNulty
Aug 27, 2020 9:41 AM

Another thing the German media depicted the anti-shutdown protest as was small. It was actually, quite clearly, very big.

Barovsky
Barovsky
Aug 27, 2020 4:13 PM

Apparently, somewhere between 500,000 and 1,000,000 depending on who you ask

Moni
Moni
Aug 27, 2020 9:17 AM

German doctors set up an independent committee which has seen hundreds of experts joining in, so that gives me hope. They will not give up! More info here if you like: acu2020.org

Eyes Open
Eyes Open
Aug 27, 2020 10:32 AM
Reply to  Moni

There is also the Italian version http://www.r2020.it/

JudyJ
JudyJ
Aug 27, 2020 10:36 AM
Reply to  Moni

They are the group who collaboratively initiated the Berlin protests. Shows what respect the authorities truly have for the views of professional experts. More than 2,000 international medics of different disciplines have confirmed by name their support for the ACU endeavours but I do not think that is going to make any impression on the criminals steering the ‘pandemic’ ship.

Simon
Simon
Aug 27, 2020 11:19 AM
Reply to  JudyJ

They are not “authorities” but a terrorist group engaged in crimes against humanity.

Eyes Open
Eyes Open
Aug 27, 2020 11:35 AM
Reply to  JudyJ

Indeed. This is why I’ve been shouting from the rooftops, the need for the fightback against lockdown to be led by the Left and trades unions, because ‘coronavirus’ is political attack disguised as a public health issue.

Roberto
Roberto
Aug 27, 2020 1:46 PM
Reply to  Eyes Open

I’ve only seen full support from the Left and trades unions for the lockdowns.
The trades unions would be the last ones to lead such an initiative.

Eyes Open
Eyes Open
Aug 27, 2020 10:48 PM
Reply to  Roberto

Unfortunately, you are correct. They are traitors.

Binra
Binra
Aug 27, 2020 2:10 PM
Reply to  Eyes Open

? What you you suggest the ‘Left’ do? Lockdown the economy by going on strike?
The ‘Left’ appear to be complicit by their silence.
How does the ‘Left’ emerge as leadership from such a state of eyes wide shut?

Eyes Open
Eyes Open
Aug 27, 2020 2:32 PM
Reply to  Binra

Yes. The Left are complicit by their silence. It enrages me.

But I cannot imagine that the ruling class will take much notice of protests. Ideally the Left and Trades Unions should go on strike and seize control of the apparatus that serves us – there is nothing else that will work. The economy is already being trashed anyway.

The alternative is a future dystopia.

Binra
Binra
Aug 27, 2020 7:05 PM
Reply to  Eyes Open

I am not protesting against the establishment so much as joining in witness for freedom. I have to live with myself. While I meet the effects of the fear in the many that support the few who control them, I don’t take identity from them – or I couldn’t live with myself.
Rage is very exhausting to swallow and ferment in, and potentially very destructive to self and others.
The Economy was already trashed – but kept on zombie status until the timing was right to switch to social credit based on state directed incentives. I have a different idea of an Economy than control because I have a different appreciation of worth and potentials for growth.

May you find the qualities of life and worth that your sense of outrage would move to protect – for they cant just be your own personal hell. The Left that I hold dear is human solidarity in shared willingness. Not a sacrifice of self to state that then moulds them into virtue signalling hate. I am not denying our freedom to feel the hatred in our hearts – but I am looking to bring into awareness to undo or heal – not to public hate-fests of blame and shame claiming moral high ground.

If we want a better future, we need willingness for a better present from which to SEE and navigate our own mutually reinforcing liabilities. I cant wait for the ruling class. They will have to catch up or find their own way. The more invested in outworn or unfitting illusion, the more truth is fought and resisted. I have to live with myself – but through that – I meet you. Thankyou for your honesty.

Tim Drayton
Tim Drayton
Aug 27, 2020 4:36 PM
Reply to  Binra

I suggest the left first come to its senses and then launch a mass civil disobedience campaign against the repressive measures being taken with so-called covid as the pretext. Not expecting it to happen, but you did ask.

Barovsky
Barovsky
Aug 28, 2020 10:41 PM
Reply to  Binra

Most of us have been sucked into the ‘New Normal’, through fear reinforced by a very sophisticated misinformation campaign run, not by the government, but ‘outsourced’ to private/academic outfits of one kind and another. And example is Mindscape (I’ve supplied a link to it elsewhere) commissioned by the Cabinet Office. Essentially, the govt has waged psychological war on the public, which then went on to infect pretty much the rest of the planet.

The second method is to saturate us with too much information, principally statistics and very effective censorship (which obviously didn’t work in Germany and starting not to work in a bunch of other countries as well). This could well lead to our very own 1917 Winter Palace, who knows, when this kind of shit happens, it can happen real fast, Events cascading through feedback reinforces change.

Here’s a link again to the PDF: ‘Mindspace’ – Influencing behaviour through public policy.

I wrote a short piece, with the same title here:

Mindspace…

And I’m now seeing comparable stuff popping up all over the place, the latest (unfortunately) in South Africa, on changing public behaviour.

It’s scary shit and way beyond the capabilities of these cheap, ignorant shysters called the government.

Binra
Binra
Aug 29, 2020 7:24 AM
Reply to  Barovsky

Psychological manipulation can be described by many different names because it masks as every kind of sell, advice. consultancy, expertise, service, protection or whatever – to boost a sense of lack, to provide an insider advantage, to generate a sense of self-inflation. The net result is that any short term gain or promise soon gives way to a dependency.

This wisdom is not mine – but as old as the deceiver – because the recognition of the mind of the deceiver is the wisdom to refuse, or not to use it.

‘Post truth’ is a phrase for ‘nudging framing and manipulating outcomes in ways that the target doesn’t even recognise are in play – such as to believe they follow their own thinking and choices.

Likewise those who think to wield this as power are immediately corrupted and think they are following their own thinking and making their own choices.

The danger of evil intent is the cost and burden of the mind of its justification. This is hidden by design but out of sight is NOT out of mind.

I can say for my part that I see the hollowing out of the living, by mind under fear is not just in many ordinary people, but in the so called leaders.

However, I don’t use perceived evil or deceit as a source of moral self justification, and so I don’t give any more attention than for whatever purpose it is in my awareness. And I don’t give hate to the negativity that feeds on it.

The attempt to break apart so as to break in and control is an act of a broken mind that knows not what it does because it takes its state of broken nurture as its nature.

Unmasking the mind as if to open greater knowledge carries with it the temptation or liability to bring new insight into the old paradigm – which degrades, devalues and distorts the insight to a subversion or corrupted framing of truth in forms of private self agenda. Good ideas can thus unleash terrible and destructive forces – in the name – but not the nature – of truth, virtue or necessity.

The checkmate of the mind in its own manipulations is part of our times. But the key to this is to recognise such mind within our own awareness and release investment or allegiance – which can be hidden by polarised reaction.

The idea of outsmarting the mind is an example of being manipulated through over confidence in our own thinking. The mind is so quick as to have already provided a backstory for any situation, and the incentive to believe it (give it priority and acceptance).

So we (generalisation term) are collectively dissociating in ways that may at times open psychotic experience – which is not controllable because it is NOT HERE in relation but operating from psychic forces that I associate with separation trauma.

The globalist tower of Babel shatters into worlds that cannot communicate. BUT all of that is a split mind set against itself in ego-alien encounter.

Its late and this is the response that came up to the theme of sacrificing human dialogue and reason for an inhuman or alienating fantasy. How can human beings target their own kind without blanking or alienating their ‘target’ AND themselves? Sure they are fed a self-specialness – but it’s false and serves them in falsely.

You are right, it isn’t politicians who are doing this – or even their handlers. Ideas either segregate and tyrannise the mind of their thinking or extend and share in the Mind of communication. Can selfishness be brought to an open awareness and find true service?
The idea of eradicating it is not other than a version of it.
Human beings have the capacity to identify in image and model to the exclusion of relational recognition. We become the ‘alien agenda’ from the very fear of such, taken in and acted from as ‘true’.

Barovsky
Barovsky
Aug 29, 2020 9:16 AM
Reply to  Binra

I’m sorry binra, I don’t see the point of your rambling, least of all understand what it is your saying. Can’t you be more succinct? Does it really take all these words to say what? I’m lost.

Okay, I think you’re saying that the oppressors are oppressing themselves too but I’m not going to lose any sleep over them. They need to be swept away, along with all the other garbage polluting our once beautiful planet.

Binra
Binra
Aug 29, 2020 11:35 PM
Reply to  Barovsky

Its easier to hate and fear psychological manipulators, than recognise an already running deceit – that we have lived in and learned as our world – and are not so much now sucked into – but in a process of disclosure.

I reflected upon the nature of the choice to operate such a mind – and thus participate IN it. This is not recognised, and runs as conditioned learning or habit.

For the most mart a masking persona dumps blame to the ‘persons’ of others. I am not interested in responsibility as ‘blame’ – but as awakened conscious choice, and in these two are the two choices that seem to battle a split mind.

But I feel you are understanding that deceit is fundamental to the nature of an ‘attack or denial of life of Earth’ that expresses itself as toxic on all levels of our human experience – including our beautiful planet. The will to heal is the key – for the lack of willingness or our block to such response is the willingness to persist in toxic narratives.

I am not interested in eliciting ‘sympathies’ for otherwho have to face their own consequences but in recognising a ‘law’ of consciousness that a mind of deceit thinks it has escaped or is excepted from. But it is the nature of mind that what we give out, is the measure of what we receive.That this is a ‘delayed reaction’ in our human experience is the nature of using deceit to buy time. For you can choose to out off what you are currently unready or unwilling to own – at a cost. You can deny truth – but not without cost.

My response wasn’t to you personally – but to the theme of mind control or psychological manipulation as the usurping of human relationship, communication and trust.

If you don’t resonate with where I am pointing to, then of course it has no reference point in your current sense of life.
I question the ‘world’ of our persona set in conflict as a point of reference prior to the post-processing of perception into complex narratives by which to conceal toxic debts.

This ‘prior’ awareness is what I point to. Yet the mind we are masked in is invoked or generated to operate so as to not be able to SEE. It will always see something diversionary, or manage NOT to see what is literally in its face.

Everything going on can be used to recognise inner constructs. NOT to manipulate, but to release from manipulative intent.

Perhaps the succinct summary is ‘release and be released’ there is no other way of freedom.

I appreciate your civility in response and your humanity amidst a toxic mind and toxic world.

Barovsky
Barovsky
Aug 27, 2020 4:14 PM
Reply to  Eyes Open

Dream on

Eyes Open
Eyes Open
Aug 27, 2020 4:19 PM
Reply to  Barovsky

That’s why I said ‘ideally’.

Apathy and hopelessness in the working class are the ruling class’ allies.

Barovsky
Barovsky
Aug 29, 2020 9:19 AM
Reply to  Eyes Open

Absolutely! See this essay by Brian Green:

the-meaning-of-true-internationalism-pdf.pdf

Binra
Binra
Sep 2, 2020 10:19 AM
Reply to  Eyes Open

Because someone doesn’t support the ‘fight’ against the problem as you perceive it does not mean they are apathetic.
Persisting a futility as the only way to maintain a sense of self and world must result in a futile result no matter how much hope is given it – or how many generations are spent on it.

The rich in the world’s terms have invested identity in a lot to lose and so are tightly defended against change – excepting as their own ratcheting of controlling that change (no change there then).
The poor in the world’s terms have so little that any change holds threat of losing everything – and so there is a joining in the ‘establishment’ or status quo, as the lesser evil – or the ‘devil we know’.
Fear of the unknown is not fear of what we have never met, thought or discovered, but as mask over fear of revisiting separation trauma that remains active in our energy field but denied consciousness – because it is the ‘overwhelm’ by which a mind is split off as a dissociative survivor as a masking strategy or persona predicated on and coloured by the particulars of it nature and nurture.

Coming to our ‘senses’ is a term for releasing a dissociated mind-frame to a present appreciation as a wholeness of being in relationship.
Our technological mind is an extension of the ability to model or imagine and test out or even be-live and explore ‘reality potentials’ as the alignment of model and experience – regardless of any underlying reality empiric coherence.

The experience of ‘mind-control’ is of being subjected and limited and controlled – but it is also the framework of control – or the operating system within which the idea of control can be lived out.

Fear and control are two sides of a split mind … contd on:

https://willingness-to-listen.blogspot.com/2020/09/coming-to-our-senses.html

Eyes Open
Eyes Open
Sep 2, 2020 10:32 AM
Reply to  Binra

Believe me. I wish quarantines, social distancing, mandatory face masks, mass unemployment, destroyed economy and cancelled medical treatments were just a ‘perception’.

Binra
Binra
Sep 2, 2020 3:27 PM
Reply to  Eyes Open

The word I notice you give power to is the word ‘just’.

I didn’t say ‘just a perception’ – but that is what you choose to perceive I said.

I actually intended something worthy of sharing.

You took a meaning – and the meaning that you are running with isn’t ‘just’ your perception – it is the result of your current state of mind with regard to what I wrote. In which I was calling attention to a specific assumption on your part that you have evaded by seeking to amplify my point to make it appear extreme and ridiculous.

The mask of a mind set under dictate to face OUT, is by definition blind to that which directs it – and yet what we see OUT in the world, is through the filters of our mind and can reveal what was hidden to a capacity to release our filtering judgements and invite a different perception-response and total experience. This applies unconditionally – but why not start with the moment we find ourselves in?

You might note that the ‘psychopathic’ element – or those of a cognitive dissonance are completely unwilling, or unable, to look within and question their perceived reality.

The masking mind seeks to escape itself from its fear by seeing something else. The mask is then adapted to its perceptions and the perceptions to the need to defend the mask against disclosure.

The generation of cover stories against disclosure or sideshow diversions and false trails is all part of the mask.

You don’t know what you are looking at unless you know who and what you are. Currently you are taking your identity JUST from your perception-response to a compression cycle that in my opinion is inevitable change, that the masking mind of control seeks to position itself to limit consciousness so as to save face and maintain ‘control’. 

The other word in your reply that runs up a flag for me is ‘wish’.

continued on
https://willingness-to-listen.blogspot.com/2020/09/a-just-perception.html

hope
hope
Aug 27, 2020 8:52 AM

Everywhere they are trying to portray us as rabid anti-social with no empathy for others, confused in our thinking, extreme right… What we need to understand is that most of society has been made to believe they stand united and we are problematic, and it may even go towards criminalizing us, who knows: they have been made to believe they stand united in the war against covid, a war that must be won otherwise humans will disappear, and we are preventing them from doing so, taking humans towards an early demise.

The French demo is organized by someone who is not fully on board or cognizant of the issues, he is against the attacks on freedom, and so on and so forth. He believes there is a virus and that authorities are doing what they can to contain it, only they’ve gone too far and people are suffering, psychologically, losing their jobs, having no life.

So in the French demo you’re advised to bring a mask. And there wont be any powerful voices, nothing. Evidently what will happen is you’re going to be simply blacklisted for no purpose because you’ll mainly be surrounded at best by some 200 or so people who certainly are motivated by the curtailment to their liberties and economic losses, but dont understand much.
There is no way they can succeed in changing anything. Do you know what the majority is saying? They’re all only the selfish among the younger generations, who want to go and have parties. Thats what even those anti-covid among the academics are saying.

As for the JG, they’ve got the entire elites, academics, intelligentsia against them,
both the pro and anti ones. To tell the truth, even though Ive had sympathy for the
terrible suffering they reflect, even though I have never hidden my views in former writings and have long been extremely worried about what is happening all over the world, I too had after a while little sympathy for them, for I felt an incredible class hatred, and this like other movements in France are more interested in keeping some special social privileges for certain professions than uniting all. The discourse is very divisive. And by incessantly blocking public transport, they made it impossible for people like me to work properly, and to move about (in Paris we’ve been blocked and hampered from before covid measures!): I know many who lost their earnings because of that long before covid because they could not get to work.

As a taxi driver said to me: if any of these people were truly interested in doing something, rather than being led by selfish motivations, then the first thing they would do is make transports free as part of the strike. For a protest only makes it hard for the rest of us in society to work and live, by blocking everything, it does not in any way affect the authorities, who are going round in their chauffeur driven limousines.
Forcing free transports would hurt at the heart of the State. And indeed the GJ and unions were asked earlier this year why they didnt do so: their answer was wonderful: its illegal”!!!

So should one wonder that the so-called educated classes are to some or to a full extent following the government as the only protection in fear of that hatred they feel from the GJ and co.?
Some who were unhappy with lockdowns and so on told me: see, where are the GJ? Were they truly interested in some true upheaval and true change, would they remain silent precisely when they are needed? I can tell you they missed a huge opportunity there: uniting the best of the elites and the rest of the country.

And I am all too aware of the Terror period and I know that if that happens, its people like me, those from among the elites, who have sacrificed our entire lives for our values, who will be shot first. Those like Ferguson or others, they’ll manage to be fine.

What is urgently needed everywhere is proper leadership from the professional classes, as in the UK, to organize and unite the larger number in a greater human purpose.
So far in history, grassroots movements without leadership have always failed.

Philippe
Philippe
Aug 27, 2020 9:28 AM
Reply to  hope

Excellent post.

To pick up on one of the points you made – free transportation. At the height of the gillet jaune protests last year,in southern France the GJ ‘took over’ many of the motorway toll booths, opened the barriers and simply waved motorists through whilst collecting their tickets. (Perhaps RobG could corroborate whether this happened in his part of France.)

I don’t know whether that was happening in northern France.

It is only a small example, of course, and probably hurt the motorway franchise operators more than the govt, but I imagine Vinci (I think that’s the operator) were squealing to the govt regarding lost revenues. So perhaps some pressure was brought to bear.

It isn’t necessarily about causing catastrophic losses in one specific area; it’s more the drip, drip, drip of smaller, more targeted actions that have a cumulative effect across many areas.

Such actions also have the benefit of being visible to more people in these times of excessive media censorship. One action in one place can be ignored by the news. If lots of people are seeing it everywhere they go, every day, it becomes impossible to censor. I recall that, at the time, the widespread attitude toward the GJ was positive because they were seen as (indeed, were) ordinary people standing up to Macron.

That is what is needed everywhere. Large demos are fine as far as they go, but I would contend that their greatest benefit is in showing the attendees that they are not alone and allowing them to exchange ideas and sources of information (much like this site does). So, having attended such a demo, perhaps some of those people would be inspired to go home and plan something on a smaller scale.

Perhaps that will happen in Germany, where they are taught from an early age about the dangers of fascism. Perhaps not. Time will, as they say, tell.

I_left_the_left
I_left_the_left
Aug 27, 2020 10:48 AM
Reply to  hope

The professional and university-educated classes classes can’t lead anyone until they stop seeing and insulting working people as gammons, xenophobes, knuckle-draggers, low-information voters, deplorables, dumb rednecks, right-wing oiks, racists, fascists, white supremacists, little Englanders etc etc. And they can’t do that until they put nation and people first, above their pompous globalist ideology, which says ‘save the world’, rather than save the British or the French or Germans etc. Those who see themselves as ‘progressive’ and preach equality and liberation must treat and respect those unlike them as their equals.

Eyes Open
Eyes Open
Aug 27, 2020 11:10 AM
Reply to  hope

Who is leading the demonstrations in Germany and Italy? The professional classes?

Lockdown is a political war. It doesn’t matter who leads the resistance as long as it’s effective.

Demonstrations may be disruptive in the short term, but the alternative is a future of repressive tyranny.. Vaccines, immunity passports, social credit style control, mandatory vaccines that may make us sick.

No one wins in such a dystopia except for a handful of billionaires who’ll be exempt.

Binra
Binra
Aug 27, 2020 2:15 PM
Reply to  Eyes Open

The ability to foment a movement of revolution and subvert it is a billionaire’s hobby.
What exactly do you mean by ‘effective’
Because that kind of phrase is the same as the XR thinking that uses any lie for leverage – as long as it is effective.

John
John
Aug 27, 2020 3:11 PM
Reply to  Eyes Open

Democracy is political war, lockdown a certain means to an end.

Tom
Tom
Aug 27, 2020 8:46 AM

Just got my ticket to Berlin this morning! I can’t wait to join you all there on Saturday!

Tom Welsh
Tom Welsh
Aug 27, 2020 8:43 AM

‘Andreas Geisel (Berlin’s Interior Senator), is here to reassure us all [our emphasis]:This is not a decision against freedom of assembly, but a decision in favour of infection protection.”’

But in practice that makes not the slightest difference. It’s exactly what the Nazis would have done; and explaining it as “infection protection” is exactly the sort of sly trick they would adopted with glee.

I always think it’s highly amusing – if sad – to reflect that things are just the same in Germany and Austria today as they were in 1938.

In those days you were punished for praising Jews or criticizing the Nazis, and rewarded for criticizing the Jews and praising the Nazis.

Today it’s exactly the same, just the other way round.

What they don’t seem able to get through their heads is the concept of “freedom”.

I_left_the_left
I_left_the_left
Aug 27, 2020 10:53 AM
Reply to  Tom Welsh

I don’t get it; who is rewarded for praising the German government, and who is rewarding them?

Tom Welsh
Tom Welsh
Aug 27, 2020 1:20 PM

It’s mainly social approval. But also government influence, which spreads very far. If your employer depends on the government in any way – and even Jeff Bezos is highly dependent on the good will of the US government – then a quiet word over a drink “in the club” (see “Yes, Minister”) may end your chances of promotion, or get you made redundant.

Conversely, if the government approves of you, you may go far.

JohnEss
JohnEss
Aug 27, 2020 3:41 PM
Reply to  Tom Welsh

and even Jeff Bezos is highly dependent on the good will of the US government”

~ I think you’ll find it’s the other way around…

Russ
Russ
Aug 27, 2020 5:18 AM

I’d say this selective record of which protests SARS-COV-2 allegedly would use to spread itself and which it would leave alone (who knew a virus had such a discriminating political viewpoint?) is proof that governments know this is all a fraud, just as much as Ferguson proved he knows his lockdown prescriptions are fraudulent when he got caught flouting them.

Here’s looking to the protestors to defy the ban, citing the government’s patent political favoritism and fraud in the process.

Gezzah Potts
Gezzah Potts
Aug 27, 2020 3:38 AM

I hope the German people defy this banning of the protest in droves; in their tens of thousands.
Ignore the puppet politicians who are not for the people, but who instead whore themselves for the 0.01% and for the ushering in of a technofascist dystopia.
I don’t even need to wonder, what the response would have been from Andreas Geisel and his snivelling ilk, if the protest scheduled for Berlin this weekend was instead for Black Lives Matter and not against the draconian covid measures.
I already know the answer. We have many examples from round the World in the last couple of months.

Gizmo007
Gizmo007
Aug 27, 2020 7:06 AM
Reply to  Gezzah Potts

Gezzah – I’m sure the protest will go ahead anyway and people will still turn up, as will those in London on Saturday. As somebody said recently ‘you don’t give people permission for a revolution’. I’ll be out protesting on Saturday for sure!

Gezzah Potts
Gezzah Potts
Aug 27, 2020 8:43 AM
Reply to  Gizmo007

Excellent! I suspect a lot of people in Germany will ignore what slime like Andreas Geisel say… Look forward to videos from Trafalgar Square at the weekend.

I_left_the_left
I_left_the_left
Aug 27, 2020 11:08 AM
Reply to  Gezzah Potts

Like all radical leftist groups today, BLM divide the people into sinners (the dumb racist white majority) and the saints (radical white leftists who fight evil white racists). Such groups threaten ordinary people, workers and democracy, not the globalist elite who are funding and using the violent left as puppets and tools to divide and rule. Is there anything more effective for preventing popular unity and resistance than leftists hating and attacking ‘racist’ normies and non-leftists like crazed zombies?

Gezzah Potts
Gezzah Potts
Aug 27, 2020 11:50 AM

Just for the record ILTL… I know who is pulling the strings of BLM, and why. As you point out: Divide and Rule. Its a concept that goes back thousands of years. Also for the record, my level of support for BLM is exactly Zero.
That’s 0%. We all have the same enemy who are pushing this evil technofascist agenda. They will try any tactic to maintain their power.

JohnEss
JohnEss
Aug 27, 2020 3:46 PM
Reply to  Gezzah Potts

Hey Gezzah. Dead right, mate. BLM is a fish for the trained seals to chase after.

And when they get back to the plinth, their lives will have changed forever.

”You gotta tip a statue or two, you…….”

Simon
Simon
Aug 27, 2020 1:00 PM

The injection cult are racists so the whole point is to deflect from how lockdowns harm dark skinned people the most. Instead of exposing the racist agenda of the covid cult you play into the game by trying to make lockdown opponents look like the “far right” opposed to BLM. Dark skinned people need more sun to get vitamin D and are harmed most by germ theory.
https://vitamindwiki.com/Even+small+amounts+of+UVB+result+in+increased+vitamin+D+levels+%E2%80%93+March+2012

The WHO has been killing girls in Africa with Vitamin A overdose:
https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=da&u=https://www.berlingske.dk/videnskab/400.000-piger-kan-doe-af-vitamin-tilskud&prev=search

Wilmers31
Wilmers31
Aug 27, 2020 3:10 AM

Berlin is heavily influenced by US ideology. Dig this: The West, including Berlin, is now pushing for change in China.

Don’t laugh, but they really thought that they could push and coerce the biggest country in the world, reshape it in their image. This happens at a time when the US is displaying her faulty designs in the streets while China has moved forward. Instead of whinging and whining about the Uighurs we ought to thank China for preventing a fundamental dictatorship from Grozny to Urumqi.

A few fewer freedoms are a small price to pay for preventing a religious dictatorship.

Wilmers31
Wilmers31
Aug 27, 2020 3:12 AM
Reply to  Wilmers31

Forgot to say that Berlin is my old hometown.

I_left_the_left
I_left_the_left
Aug 27, 2020 11:27 AM
Reply to  Wilmers31

Do Berliners put up statues of Trump to mark their respect for the US and its control over them?

JohnEss
JohnEss
Aug 27, 2020 3:48 PM
Reply to  Wilmers31

A few fewer freedoms are a small price to pay for preventing a religious dictatorship.”

?

Someone
Someone
Aug 27, 2020 4:33 AM
Reply to  Wilmers31

Germany is 100% NATO ideology. Even the organizers of this march are like “blah blah Berlin supports the Belarus protests so why will they prohibit ours” and I’m not quite sure they understand WHY that is.

Waldorf
Waldorf
Aug 27, 2020 7:35 AM
Reply to  Someone

It is odd how things are often clearer if you step out of the box, but many never do leave the limits of comfortable ideology.

I_left_the_left
I_left_the_left
Aug 27, 2020 12:28 PM
Reply to  Waldorf

You are certainly correct about that! Imagine German leftists praising Trump and hating dictator Xi.

I_left_the_left
I_left_the_left
Aug 27, 2020 12:27 PM
Reply to  Someone

Germany is a nation dominated by leftists and pacifists who oppose NATO, hate the US, have completely run down their military forces, want to deal with Putin and Xi but not Trump, and have failed to pay their share of NATO bills for decades. That’s why Trump is relocating US troops to Poland.

Simon
Simon
Aug 27, 2020 1:08 PM

He should relocate them to America.

Someone
Someone
Aug 27, 2020 1:30 PM

“Germany is a nation dominated by leftists”

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA if only

Waldorf
Waldorf
Aug 27, 2020 8:07 PM
Reply to  Someone

I am there, and he is even more remote from objective reality than usual. He has this bee in his bonnet about the left, you see. They’re everywhere. Al Capone ranted about Commies in his last years too, but at least he had the excuse of dementia caused by late-stage syphilis.
Germany is so dominated by lefties that a small group of Nazis, the NSU, could murder foreigners, mostly Turks, for nearly a decade and the police assured the victims’ families that it was the Turkish mafia. A Verfassungsschutz informant was actually present at one of the murders yet strangely enough the German state apparently knew nothing. More recently a CDU (not a leftie) politician, Walter Luebcke, was murdered by a Nazi after dissenting from the “hate refugees” line. At least this time a few people were arrested quickly.

covidiot
covidiot
Aug 27, 2020 2:56 PM

That’s why Trump is relocating US troops to Poland.

don’t let the door hit you in the ass, on your way out, as the saying goes.

I_left_the_left
I_left_the_left
Aug 27, 2020 11:22 AM
Reply to  Wilmers31

Yes, thank you Yellow Man Good and the glorious revolution made by the USA. 3m Chinese Uigyurs, Tibetans and other undesirables do indeed deserve to be in the concentration camps built by US ideology. Like the dirty Jews, these evil groups threaten the world on behalf of Donald Trump and Nike. Interestingly, I believe the Nazis used Jewish skin to make lamp shades and other goods. This old American custom of using dead people efficiently has been improved by the lovely Chinese, who like to harvest and sell their prisoners’ organs for a nice profit (I’m not sure if all donors must be dead first). Now that’s really adopting capitalist and American ideology. But how did the demonic Americans cleverly produce Nazi ideology and Hitler, I wonder?

covidiot
covidiot
Aug 27, 2020 3:05 PM

I think you need some new disinfo; your old disinfo has gone rancid and started to stink. it smells like … fascism.

but you should receive extra chutzpah points for recycling the Jewish lampshade story, decades after it was officially repudiated. as a famous person once said, the bigger the lie, the more people will believe it.

John
John
Aug 27, 2020 8:07 PM
Reply to  covidiot

Indeed, there has been some official acknowledgement even by a major Jewish holocaust organization repudiating a certain type of such alleged atrocities with which they where advertising for decades before. By the way, the organization claimed that the reason for the removing it from the list was that ‘deniers’ were using it to make their case. So these organization didn’t like the fact that the revisionists used certain things (soap, lampshades, hair for mattresses, etc) for which there is absolutely no proof.
Perhaps food for though, they discarded it not because there is no proof, but because of revisionists using it. They cleverly understood that removing a few of these fantastic things from the big list of fantasies they maintain cannot hurt the whole fictive tale.

Koba
Koba
Aug 28, 2020 8:04 AM
Reply to  covidiot

It Seems covidiot that you spent all torn time here arguing with people! YOu seem to be a potential Trotskyist

Jojo
Jojo
Aug 27, 2020 2:01 AM

Reuters has a story on this.

About 20,000 people, including libertarians, constitutional loyalists, far-right supporters and anti-vaccination activists, marched in Berlin on Aug. 1.
Geisel said the organisers of that protest had deliberately broken rules they had previously agreed with police, including wearing masks and maintaining social distancing.
“Such behaviour is not acceptable. The state cannot be given the runaround,” he said, adding he did not want Berlin to be a stage for conspiracy theorists and right-wing extremists.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-germany-protest/berlin-bans-protest-against-coronavirus-curbs-idUSKBN25M1GF

I like the segment that states “Such behaviour is not acceptable. The state cannot be given the runaround,”

Should everyone give a Sieg Heil salute?

JohnEss
JohnEss
Aug 27, 2020 2:28 AM
Reply to  Jojo

Years ago, a move such as the one made by the German authorities would have turned a peaceful protest into a gathering far more confrontational.

What happens now in Germany is very important for what happens next globally.

Wilmers31
Wilmers31
Aug 27, 2020 3:21 AM
Reply to  JohnEss

I think you exaggerate the influence and the capabilities of my old country and town, Berlin.

The many millions of foreigners who have come to Germany since about 1978 ensure there is no cohesive society. Reporting negative events will be branded as nest soiling and the editor will not run that story.

The one thing that they got mostly right is the relationship to Russia including NordStream2. It does not make sense to Germans to refuse cooperation with Russia because they do not want millions of hungry refugees from Russia descending on Germany. After the US elections the NordStream2 thing will come to its head.

Americans just cannot understand that harrassing countries with sanctions causes refugees which the neighbourhoods do not want. The wars and refugees do not descend on the US, so they have no right to meddle in the Russian/German relationship.

JohnEss
JohnEss
Aug 27, 2020 3:30 AM
Reply to  Wilmers31

The early August protest in Berlin was of enormous symbolic significance.

I feel that the protest on Saturday is equally so.

I must stand by my statement.

Howard
Howard
Aug 27, 2020 3:38 AM
Reply to  Wilmers31

War refugees may not descend on the US; but refugees of the many Latin American coups have attempted such a feat – and were not well received. As always, people are perfectly okay with refugees so long as it’s someone else’s problem.

I_left_the_left
I_left_the_left
Aug 27, 2020 1:09 PM
Reply to  Wilmers31

What’s your view on Herr Merkel seeking big trade deals with emperor Xi Jinping, while not saying a word about the 3m Muslims and Tibetans and other undesirables rotting in his communist concentration camps? Weird that, given that (arguably) no global leader today more resembles Hitler in belief and practice than Xi Jinping. You’d think that progressive Angela might follow Trump’s example of choosing to condemn tyrants who deny human rights and freedoms, and to sanction rather than seek lucrative trade deals! Angela, of course, frequently criticises the democratically-elected Trump and the USA. She seems unable to recall how Americans gave their lives to save Germany first from the murdering Nazis and then spent trillions restoring and protecting Germans and Western Europe from the murdering communists for decades. Unable to express gratitude or pay her NATO defence bills, Angela is clearly pissed that the US has spiked the German-Russian deal to make Western Europe dependent on Russian gas. Perhaps you support her? Also, have you seen how ‘refugees’ and illegal immigrants have been flooding the US via Mexico for decades? Trump famously promised suffering Americans a wall to stop the problem, and got elected for it. Clearly, leftists just cannot understand that, or that they do not speak on behalf of what ‘Americans’ want, only on behalf of what leftists want.

covidiot
covidiot
Aug 27, 2020 3:13 PM

Americans gave their lives to save Germany first from the murdering Nazis and then spent trillions restoring and protecting Germans and Western Europe from the murdering communists for decades.

what a nasty, lying disinfo shill you are. the US government murdered more Germans than the Nazis and the Stalinists, combined.

http://gunsandbutter.org/transcript-lets-stop-torturing-germany.htm

http://gunsandbutter.org/transcript-scapegoating-germany.htm

Johannes from Germany
Johannes from Germany
Aug 27, 2020 4:32 AM
Reply to  Jojo

The Mask ist the “Heil Hitler” of 2020. Everybody ist invited to come to Berlin 🙂

Gizmo007
Gizmo007
Aug 27, 2020 7:22 AM

Johannes from Germany – Thank you, I would come but I do not have a passport. I will be protesting in London though. As I said in a previous post ‘you don’t give people permission for a revolution’.

Gizmo007
Gizmo007
Aug 27, 2020 7:18 AM
Reply to  Jojo

Jojo – After that statement, even more of an excuse to give the state the runaround. Let battle commence. I’ll be protesting on Saturday.The Berlin wall didn’t come down by people being sat on their arses!

JohnEss
JohnEss
Aug 27, 2020 4:02 PM
Reply to  Gizmo007

The Berlin wall didn’t come down by people being sat on their arses!”

You make a wonderful point in a wonderful way.

And a true one, to boot.

Thank you for reminding us how real people can and will push back against confinement of their bodies, their minds and their spirits.

Peace.

JS

livingsb
livingsb
Aug 27, 2020 12:55 AM

Sounds familiar, Germany…

Roberto
Roberto
Aug 27, 2020 3:00 AM
Reply to  livingsb

It’s a common historical response in many countries when people question authority.
I have been waiting a long time to see the use of the term ‘deniers’. Corona Deniers!
It’s the usual ad hominem attack employed in desperation, the admission of collapse of a narrative, and it conveniently segregates anyone who doesn’t parrot the Party Line. It doesn’t mean the narrative is over, just the recognition that it’s failing and only force will keep it in place.
It’s also a convenient appellation for the MSM to use in headlines, such as ‘Corona denier, Mr X, etc etc’, immediately branding Mr X as undesirable, and just wrong. Note also that the government refers to the ‘deniers’ as ‘right wing’, another useful appellation to be applied to anyone who doesn’t agree with what you say.
It’s helpful to note that in this current event most all so-called ‘deniers’ are not denying there’s an infectious virus, they’re protesting the puzzling and inordinate response to a fairly normal annual event that varies in its intensity.
Anyway, judging by the last demonstrations, minimised by the media but revealed in photos to be huge, it looks like the Germans will still demonstrate, which poses a political problem: will the government forcibly suppress them? What better motivation to demonstrate could protesters have?

martin
martin
Aug 27, 2020 6:07 AM
Reply to  livingsb

This time can we support Germany please? I don’t mean the NATO state. I mean that by swallowing the anti German propaganda and supporting two criminally engineered wars we are now reaping what we sowed.

Moneycircus
Moneycircus
Aug 27, 2020 12:39 AM

Charles Ortel CLOSING IN with Special Guest Carter Page
Live now https://youtu.be/3heNmyUlZj8

Tex
Tex
Aug 27, 2020 12:27 AM

cov19 is just a front for something much bigger – like a magician distracts you with one hand while doing something with another

John Ervin
John Ervin
Aug 27, 2020 1:37 AM
Reply to  Tex

Agreed. So obvious, as a big (brotherly) slap in the face, when you’re allowed to march for BLM or disarmament, or whatever, but not this, even masked and “distanced”.

It sends some kind of message. Whatever it is, hard not to find it “chilling”, right? I love the touch that it has something do with ethnic bias. That’s a red flag.

And an ironic one, from Germany.
It exposes some of the incongruities and contradictions of barious govrrnments, st least.

____

Marie Antoinette,”Let them eat cake.”

Hitler, “Let them take cattle trains.”

Merkel (et al.), “Let them wear masks.”

JohnEss
JohnEss
Aug 27, 2020 2:35 AM
Reply to  John Ervin

But Merkel et al will face no revolution or resistance.

Unlike the two before them, Merkel et al are getting away with their part in the rout of mankind.

~Cue the riots…

theobalt
theobalt
Aug 27, 2020 2:53 AM
Reply to  John Ervin

I truly believe you are an idiot

Roberto
Roberto
Aug 27, 2020 2:22 PM
Reply to  theobalt

That’s a Clinton device!
‘I believe [so]’ inverts the truth of a response or statement, especially if emphasised, and negates responsibility for its accuracy if later challenged, especially under sworn testimony, because you can claim to have believed it (especially by qualifying it with the modifier ‘at the time’!).
I believe and hope there is a strong possibility you don’t really believe what you stated.
Fun stuff.