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In Memoriam – Andre Vltchek

OffG is shocked to hear that Andre Vltchek, a long-time contributing author and friend of the site, died yesterday in Istanbul.

He died suddenly whilst travelling in Turkey with his wife. Turkish officials are treating the death as “suspicious”, but as yet no details have been released. He was 57 years old.

Whatever the circumstances surrounding his death may be, there is no denying the loss will be felt – not just by his friends and family – but by the alternate media in general.

He wrote hundreds of articles – many of them for OffGuardian – published several books, and produced many feature-length documentaries. He was an anti-Imperialist, a humanitarian, and an unrepentant socialist.

While we may not always have agreed with each other, there was no doubting his sincerity or his work ethic. He was, until the end, a fierce warrior on behalf of the working class – especially in the developing world.

He was a powerful voice in the alternate media, and he will be sorely missed.

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Margaret
Margaret
Sep 27, 2020 8:06 PM

Hi Admin, Can you tell me why My posts aren’t being accepted?

Eric Blair
Eric Blair
Sep 27, 2020 1:47 AM

Very sad to learn about this earlier in the week. Without a doubt Andre Vltchek was the most passionate and consistent “alt left” journalist out there. I will miss his heartfelt articles and reports from the frontlines of the battle between the western empire and its victims and opponents. I find it sad that people feel the need to say “I didn’t always agree with Andre” before saying they really respect his work. Since when did respecting someone’s work mean you had to agree with every word they’ve ever written or uttered? Oh yeah since about 2007 or so when the world started going insane. Even on this website when someone posts an opinion that counters the majority view, they will more often than not get haughtily dismissed as chumps, fools or “trolls” even when their post is logical and well-argued (and granted that’s not always the case). You don’t… Read more »

Tony
Tony
Sep 26, 2020 10:08 AM
falcemartello
falcemartello
Sep 25, 2020 4:48 AM

Pace e Bene compagno

Margaret Phelan
Margaret Phelan
Sep 24, 2020 5:24 PM

Andre Vlchek without a doubt in my mind, was murdered!!!!!
The noose tightens around our throats, to shut us up, and we are powerless.

Steven Augustine
Steven Augustine
Sep 24, 2020 10:40 PM

we are powerless”

Erm, not really. They can’t poison 7 billion people but they can brainwash us into thinking we’re powerless. It might be a good idea for the prominent truth-tellers among us to take the psychopathic bastards seriously, and realize they will kill whoever is a threat, and act accordingly. I think too many of us still believe “They” wouldn’t go that far. They would.

Magnus
Magnus
Sep 25, 2020 8:49 AM

I totally agree with you. We are at a turning point and it is up to us all to make a change not just a couple of thousand, who think only they have the right to dictate mankind’s present and future.

John Ervin
John Ervin
Sep 25, 2020 5:43 PM
Reply to  Magnus

Well, that would be cute of us, all, but they have been hard at work to freeze us out of their hierarchy of security clearances. Most of their scheme is made of invisible barriers that are structured to “hide the Cracker” as one Mason told me. So, it is that precise, designed structure that needs to be analyzed in depth and detail, as we are almost all unbeknownnst to us, more than anything a resemblance to billions of flies trapped on their worldwide web, not quite dead exactly, but narrowly captured while keeping the “freedom’, like web-based flies, to wiggle our arms and legs. Without really going anywhere, beyond capture. The last half year has been a pretty stark clue as to the Reality of that. As goeth the fly, so goeth our numbers in a comparable fly-like Virtual House Arrest. Unless we can understand and counter that mechanism (it… Read more »

Margaret
Margaret
Sep 25, 2020 1:47 PM

I agree Steven that we truth tellers should keep up the momentum, but the MSM presstitute lackeys have dutifully planted the eggs, and the worms are growing in the sheeples backsides, and they are slowly eating their way through to the brains. They have and are ‘poisoning’ 7 billion people with their lies, whether we want to admit it or not. Goebels researched this well and left a blueprint.
Our only tool is to keep researching and sharing what we find, but the outlets for that are becoming more and more limited daily.
Who will stop them Steven? Who?

Steven Augustine
Steven Augustine
Sep 25, 2020 3:04 PM
Reply to  Margaret

Margaret! All is not lost; if all were lost, “They” wouldn’t be putting any energy into trying to make us believe that it is. We have to form bigger blobs of resistance by using social media more widely and subversively: tell the Truth whenever you can. Start a blog (buy your own domain if you can afford to and host yourself), encourage enlightened friends to do likewise. The listening device of social media is a two-way channel… “They” gather data regarding our attitudes and moods with it… therefore, every comment is a micro-vote… therefore “vote” often and clearly. Everyone needs to become a Well-Educated Thinker and Communicator. We can do that. We can slow the avalanche down! I’ve written more on all that here, linked below, under section 7 (“Who Are They?”); maybe you’ll find it interesting…? If you have a blog already bring it to my attention, please! If… Read more »

Steven Augustine
Steven Augustine
Sep 26, 2020 8:37 AM

My basic point: we have to work harder to Normalize Dissent.

DunGroanin
DunGroanin
Sep 26, 2020 10:50 AM
Eric Blair
Eric Blair
Sep 27, 2020 1:55 AM

I don’t know if he was murdered. The Turkish cops say his death was “suspicious” but no further information has been released.

Margaret Kimberly of Black Agenda Report reposted some of his tweets from a few months ago and Andre talked about how he was being fucked around and betrayed and that he might not be alive for much longer, so there is that.

He certainly was very straightforward and criticized people to their face, as it were. Sometimes pissing off a thin-skinned dickhead with connections is all it takes. But as it stands there is no real evidence that he was killed. He did have chronic health conditions and that’s a more likely cause.

Kathy
Kathy
Sep 24, 2020 3:55 PM

This is indeed sad and shocking new. A true, truth seeker..His insightful articles will be greatly missed. My deepest condolences to his loved ones.

Eric Blair
Eric Blair
Sep 24, 2020 3:53 PM

Found out about this yesterday, very sad news. I was sometimes critical of André’s stance on certain issues but the man’s integrity, courage and genuine compassion for people under the imperialist and global capitalist boot was unflinching and came through in all of his work. I have nothing but respect for the man and will miss his passionate reports from the frontlines of empire. RIP my friend.

Abu aisha
Abu aisha
Sep 24, 2020 3:31 PM

A terrible loss, of a great journalist that comes from a generation and mentality which is at an end. Sovietski soyuz for the motherfucking win

Gary Weglarz
Gary Weglarz
Sep 24, 2020 3:13 PM

Andre had more courage and ethical integrity then that entire clown show over at CounterPuff – which is why the CounterPuff boys had to eventually ban his writing and stop posting him there.

Now that Andre is “safely dead” maybe Amy Goodman over at Democracy Now will finally be willing to acknowledge that in fact he was once actually “alive.” Then again, probably not.

Andre stands head and shoulders above the sanitized fake left in always, always calling out imperialism and challenging the West’s self-deluded lies of – “humanitarian intervention” – exposing it for the lawless barbarity that it invariably has been.

Andre will be very deeply missed.

George Mc
George Mc
Sep 24, 2020 3:57 PM
Reply to  Gary Weglarz

Remember the tale of Óscar Romero, assassinated by a CIA asset in El Salvador. It only took the Catholic Church ten years before they grudgingly made him a saint. Going by that cautionary tale, in ten years Counter Putz will be canonising Vltchek. 

Gary Weglarz
Gary Weglarz
Sep 24, 2020 4:24 PM
Reply to  George Mc

“Counter Putz?” – I like that!

Arby
Arby
Sep 24, 2020 2:09 PM

This is kind of shocking. I can’t lie though. I have not been happy with Andres boosting of China and his dismissal of it’s awful, terrifying social credit system. Other than that, I’ve always enjoyed his writing and got something from it.

Steven Augustine
Steven Augustine
Sep 24, 2020 10:42 PM
Reply to  Arby

Seconded.

Steven Augustine
Steven Augustine
Sep 24, 2020 10:42 PM

The old “Enemy of my Enemy” fallacy…

Koba
Koba
Sep 24, 2020 1:47 PM

Damn. I enjoyed his articles. We will continue his work.

Apolline
Apolline
Sep 24, 2020 12:51 PM

Same for David Crowe. I watched videos where he looked very healthy.

Moneycircus
Moneycircus
Sep 24, 2020 2:55 PM
Reply to  Apolline

COVID-19 & The Infectious Myth w/ David Crowe, Premiered Jun 18, 2020
https://youtu.be/MFYGwNJgSMg

Apolline
Apolline
Sep 24, 2020 3:03 PM
Reply to  Moneycircus

Exactly.

Superbuggg
Superbuggg
Sep 24, 2020 8:31 PM
Reply to  Apolline

Wow… didn’t even know David Crowe had passed. It’s always sad, but what a maverick!

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Sep 26, 2020 3:46 AM
Reply to  Apolline

Apolline, David Crowe died from cancer. I don’t think there’s any doubt about that looking at his obituary and memorial service. I’m only vaguely aware of him but judging from reading his obituary and having a look at the video of his memorial service (yesterday) he was an amazing person.
Link to obituary and memorial service.
https://theinfectiousmyth.com/

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Sep 26, 2020 3:54 AM
Reply to  Apolline

For all those in Green parties and with Green friends who swallow what the MSM put forward as science on COVID, I see that David Crowe co-founded the Green Party of Alberta in 1990. I’ll be pushing that to my Green friends.

Victor G.
Victor G.
Sep 24, 2020 12:50 PM

R.I.P. Andre Vltchek. Thank you for your dedication. Only the good die young …

(for example, just recently, 84 YO Silvio Berlusconi shook off the dreaded Italian strain of covid19 in just a few days … )

John Goss
John Goss
Sep 24, 2020 12:35 PM

Sad news indeed. Even if there are suspicious circumstances the likelihood of learning the truth are slim. For many years I worked with doctors and lawyers to try and get an inquest into the death of Dr. David Kelly. Despite numerous FOI requests key information has been locked away for 75 years. If it ever gets released we will all be dead and a few curious youths might ask: “Who was David Kelly?”

John Ervin
John Ervin
Sep 24, 2020 2:01 PM
Reply to  John Goss

The bad news: the 75 years and all locked deep seems to be the Intel template devised for JFK.

The good news: more young people I know seem to know more about him today than ever. And that wasn’t true 20 or 30 years ago.

And more state power has been expended to bury the truth than for anyone since Jesus of Nazareth. And still sparing no expense.

All in all, that may be pretty good company. For Jack, anyway!

John Goss
John Goss
Sep 25, 2020 11:02 AM
Reply to  John Ervin

Yes. let’s hope I’m wrong. But it still does no justice to a man who stuck his neck out and told the truth. Telling the truth is frowned upon. Look at Julian Assange. And all this corona nonsense!

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Sep 25, 2020 8:29 AM
Reply to  John Goss

What is helpful to understand is that at high levels so very much conflict between groups and individuals and alleged calling out by an individual or group of another individual or group for malfeasance is staged, John. Power is about controlling ALL narratives – it’s not about only controlling the mainstream narrative. No, no, no, no, no. They don’t maintain power just by controlling the mainstream narrative. They need to be like a mutant octopus with a stranglehold on all narratives – both the ones they invent themselves and the ones they anticipate will spring up among groups whose minds will go in one direction and groups whose minds will go in another – and they know exactly how to anticipate the narratives that will spring up amongst us, eg, that there will be people who will tend to believe that nuclear devices brought down the buildings or that the… Read more »

John Goss
John Goss
Sep 25, 2020 11:08 AM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

I’ve been to Istanbul, well 20 years ago. It was not like the rest of Turkey – very modern – and women were allowed in the streets. James Le Mesurier is an odd person to assassinate. He was one of the establishment. Are you sure they haven’t given him a new identity because of the White Helmets non-charitable aid to try to overthrow Assad?

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Sep 25, 2020 11:26 AM
Reply to  John Goss

Exactly what I’m suggesting, John. And so was David Kelly one of the establishment. Check out his background in Wikipedia. What they say about his death is ludicrous, right? Dysphagia, no fingerprints, cut himself with pruning knife he’d owned since his youth, bottle contained 111 ml water – why even mention any amount let alone 111ml, died of haemorrhage from incised wounds of the left wrist, in combination with co-proxamol ingestion and coronary artery atherosclerosis. Are they seriously going to say these things if his wife is not in on this “death”?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Kelly_(weapons_expert)

John Ervin
John Ervin
Sep 25, 2020 6:21 PM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

The press taunted in like fashion all the hypnotized, billions, in 2014 by reporting Robin Williams had “tried to kill himself before.”

The “before” — beyond being clickbait — “after further review” turned out to be only some minutes or hours immediately before he supposedly hanged himself (sitting in a chair using his belt — seems he’d be cleverer than that, from how we knew him).

Yet, disingenuously, it was reported as a second suicide “attempt”.

With a dull penknife, making a couple lateral scratches, really, barely any blood.

And there were many other absurd touches like that, as if they were phrased purposefully to see who was paying attention.

Not many at all!

I WAS, so add that to a plump dossier somewhere in the bowels of northern Virginia.

Steven Augustine
Steven Augustine
Sep 26, 2020 8:17 AM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

“For example, they faked Collateral Murder, the video of the US soldiers shooting the Iraqi Reuters (always in on these things) journalists as a means to infiltrate Wikileaks. How better to infiltrate with ease than by pushing out something so seemingly incriminating? The fact is there were no repercussions for anyone with regard to the Collateral Murder video and everyone knows how barbaric soldiers are in war, right?, how they break the Rules of Engagement so while, superficially, the video might seem so terrible, it’s not actually against what we believe happens anyway.” I’m totally with your premise regarding the sophistication of the kind of lies they use against us, and their need for Full Spectrum Dominance of the narratives but… it’s dangerous, I think, to use a “one size fits all” approach, after you’ve developed a controlling theory, and distort the conclusions you come to by trying to fit… Read more »

Steven Augustine
Steven Augustine
Sep 26, 2020 8:31 AM

For a good example of a hybrid (fake deaths + real death) event, look at the “Gabby Giffords/ Tucson” event. It would appear that Giffords (with her “heroic recovery” narrative) wasn’t really shot and the “child victim” (with her convenient narrative details including, if I recall, her birth “on 9/11”) wasn’t real. But the Federal Judge (I’m doing this from memory)… Judge Roll (sp?)… was a real and very probably targeted death. Possibly. I looked into that one at the time and the major narrative mouthpiece of that “crisis/ recovery arc”, Suzie H., who had been part of Cornell’s “Human Ecology Dept” (or something like that)… who was supposedly shot along with her friend, the (I believe) invented child… had been running a blog, before the event, that “predicted” the event! This event shared lots of narrative DNA with all the subsequent many, many “gun violence” events orchestrated during BHO’s… Read more »

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Sep 26, 2020 1:02 PM

I have to say Judge Roll looks as if he might have been very straight – went to Mass apparently every day and his face, to me, looks honest (though I would never trust my feelings there) – and it’s very easy to understand how a straight person in his position might be murdered. What is it that makes you think he really was murdered, Steven?

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Sep 26, 2020 11:35 AM

Thank you for the appreciation of my post and thanks so much for the term, Full-Spectrum Dominance, Steven. It seems vaguely familiar but somehow not caught my attention before. I will check it out now. The Collateral Murder video was released on purpose to make Wikileaks famous and give it credibility…not as a means to “infiltrate” Wikileaks How about both? I lived next door to Julian’s father, John Shipton, for 13 years. John was in our place all the time and we have been good friends although the relationship has suffered over my telling him about Chelsea being intelligence and the murder video being faked because he won’t countenance my claims. I am quite certain – and I think the evidence of Julian’s state of health acts as very good evidence – that Julian is not intelligence, he’s just been duped massively … as we all have. What we can… Read more »

Victor G.
Victor G.
Sep 26, 2020 12:28 PM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

Talk about the firemen, Petra … 300 plus fake firemen.

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Sep 26, 2020 12:41 PM
Reply to  Victor G.

Here’s some massive firefighter anomalies to get your teeth stuck into, Victor. I must some kind of moron. I’d heard of Let’s Roll and I’m sure I’d been to the forums before. What a goldmine!

http://letsrollforums.com/happened-9-11-firemen-t24265.html

Victor G.
Victor G.
Sep 27, 2020 9:02 PM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

A goldmine indeed, Petra! I saw dozens and dozens of fireman beneficiaries named. Presumably this means they, the beneficiaries, have had some sort of payout consequent the decease of a principal in the event. And that’s where you can begin your true investigation. Take your own 5Gs, fly to NYC, and try to track down these payments; track down the beneficiaries. If you find none (even in a random sample) that’s an important result and will underpin your position no end. If you find one beneficiary, kindly seek to interview them. I imagine that by now those of us who presume to be in the know will be able to sniff out the BS should there be any. And, of course, one colluded “beneficiary” would be incredibly valuable. 5Gs is a good chunk but perhaps you fear it’s not enough to do serious investigation. In that case, I’m pretty sure… Read more »

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Sep 28, 2020 1:13 AM
Reply to  Victor G.

I’m not an investigator, Victor, I’m an analyst and not the most diligent one – I don’t really like to do too much research. The reason I’m drawn to psyops is that all the evidence required to work out the fundamentals is at one’s fingertips.

To my mind it is not necessary to examine every claim of death on 9/11 to show that no one died. Taking multiple strands of evidence that favour staged death and injury and with zero to contradict it is sufficient for me. If it isn’t sufficient for you fine then either you do the investigative work yourself or you satisfy yourself that you don’t know how many people died on 9/11. As far as I’m concerned, there is zero evidence of anyone dying or being injured and much evidence against it so I go with, :”no one died or virtually no one died”.

Victor G.
Victor G.
Sep 28, 2020 8:10 AM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

Oh Petra … the way it works is like this; if you make an assertion, the burden of proof is on you.
“Zero evidence” is an enormous assertion. Zero.
What you seem to do is waltz around the web, gather information from others who, like you, have done no investigation and “analyze” that info. I think what you’re doing is actually called “speculation”.
Or am I full of Bologna?

PS I know you enjoy getting the last word so I’ll be waiting to hear from you.

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Sep 28, 2020 8:36 AM
Reply to  Victor G.

I don’t think you read my last comment properly, Victor. I have published five 10-point exercises providing EVIDENCE (and logic and reason) that favour five hypotheses over opposing hypotheses. So I have put forward my EVIDENCE (and logic and reason) and asked for evidence (or whatever reasonable case) favouring the opposing hypotheses. None has been forthcoming, including from you yourself Victor. I do NOT assert there is zero evidence. I claim it on the basis of no evidence being presented to me that opposes my hypotheses. If there were, in fact, evidence surely someone would have presented it by now because I know there are quite a few people I’ve engaged with over these challenges who believe the opposing hypotheses, however, they haven’t managed to provide any evidence that favours the hypothesis they believe over mine. The thing is, if an hypothesis is correct and has a number pieces of… Read more »

Victor G.
Victor G.
Sep 28, 2020 12:04 PM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

Last word … Bologna!

Steven Augustine
Steven Augustine
Sep 26, 2020 2:18 PM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

“9/11 was clearly a massive Full-Scale Anti-Terrorist Exercise pushed out as a real event…” Well, it was real to the extent that all those buildings actually imploded; if you’re saying that nobody was killed or injured, that implies that TFIC went to great lengths to ensure that that be the case (considering the magnitude of the collapses during business hours on a work week); are you suggesting that TFIC “don’t really want to hurt anyone”? And why would they bother to fake the “collateral murder” vid when people are drone-killed so commonly during these Invasion/ Occupation/ Terraforming campaigns? Are all the NATO atrocities faked? Also: re: Wikileaks: well, if it’s a combination honey-pot, limited-hangout, misdirection device put in place by Intelligence, why would it need to be “infiltrated”? And Assange, as we know, got into serious trouble in his “Mendax” youth… yet somehow walked. It appears he was compromised early… Read more »

Steven Augustine
Steven Augustine
Sep 26, 2020 2:19 PM

(oops, don’t know why that all came out in “bold” font; I wasn’t being emphatic or anything)

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Sep 26, 2020 2:55 PM

Steven, I don’t concern myself with motives and whether the TFIC care or don’t care, I look at the evidence. 9/11 They admit to part-evacuation of the twin towers, right? And no one questions complete evacuation of WTC-7. What’s the big deal? Instead of part-evacuation, it was complete evacuation and it wasn’t exactly in office hours. You need to keep in consideration they had complete control of the operation. Complete control – which is, of course, the way they like it. Everything is controlled. The first “plane strike” was at 8:46 and many people start work at 9am. Also, they could have prevented people going up to their floors with all kinds of reasons, even saying that they were worried about a possible attack as they’d had word a plane had gone off-course or something of that nature. We’re also told a number of floors were empty. I’ve read there… Read more »

Steven Augustine
Steven Augustine
Sep 26, 2020 3:33 PM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

Petra:

My observation tells me that regardless of whether they could use real material, they prefer to fake things.”

Hmmm. Conversely, my observations tell me that “They” (are largely if not entirely comprised of psychopaths and) are awfully inclined toward (and would appear to enjoy) killing. Do you think Hiroshima/ Nagasaki were faked? (I know some do; I don’t)

Well, we can agree to disagree, certainly! And we agree more than we disagree, so, that’s a net “plus”.

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Sep 26, 2020 4:15 PM

We can agree to disagree, Steven, but can I ask you to look at the evidence before deciding that something is faked or isn’t rather than judging by motivation or whether the power elite care about killing people or not. I have to say it does drive me rather crazy when people say to me – and it happens a lot when I speak of staged death and injury – “But they wouldn’t care about killing those people.” If I thought they cared I would have said from the start of my awakening to “inside job” that they didn’t kill the people but no I completely believed they killed them for four whole years despite awakening to many other staged events. It’s not about caring, not caring or whatever, it’s about the evidence. Also, for goodness sake, HOW MANY PEOPLE WERE INVOLVED IN 9/11? It had to be loads and… Read more »

Steven Augustine
Steven Augustine
Sep 26, 2020 4:44 PM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

“We can agree to disagree, Steven, but can I ask you to look at the evidence before deciding that something is faked or isn’t rather than judging by motivation or whether the power elite care about killing people or not.” Petra, I’m quite a bit older than you and have been at this for a very, very long time. I have, literally, hundreds of books in the part of my library dedicated to the general topic. The “proof” you cite against the reality of Hiroshima/ Nagasaki is not the strongest, logically. (And, of course, phony stories attached to both events don’t, by default, invalidate the events). “Also, for goodness sake, HOW MANY PEOPLE WERE INVOLVED IN 9/11? It had to be loads and loads right? They are NOT going to kill people in this situation…” How many are involved in any major war crime? Were the deaths of Iraqi civilians… Read more »

Steven Augustine
Steven Augustine
Sep 26, 2020 4:54 PM

“Think of all the emergency response and media that needed to be in on it. How would they be OK with just “some” people being killed. No! It’s just not the MO and there was absolutely no reason not to fake all the deaths. They have their ways.” It’s called “need to know”. Most of the people who were involved in 9/11 believed what they were told to believe about what was happening. Do you think every Yankee military paranoiac, from privates to officers, at the height of the Cold War was in on the hoax? Of course not. Only the string-pullers know, for a fact, that these things are Theater. The entire point of the Intelligence Industry is to operate in secret: do you think half the country has “Top Secret” clearance? Disinfo is the coin of the realm. The Kapo-class… far from the top of the pyramid but… Read more »

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Sep 27, 2020 1:25 PM

Sorry, Steven, I hate the “how many people” argument and I don’t know why I used it. Let me be more specific. I think the exchange below between Brian Williams, MSNBC News Anchor and David Restuccio, FDNY EMS Lieutenant about WTC-7 after its collapse clearly shows that they were in on it and were scripted, don’t you? Their exchange actually appears at the end of a video production of a song set to the music of Free Fallin’ by Tom Petty in which a number of other journalists allude to controlled demolition. Although their words are not quite so obvious as the ones below I tend to think they’re also scripted. In psyops they like to control everything, right, you don’t expect them to have reporters speaking candidly in these events, saying whatever occurs to them. So at least these two guys and I’d say we can guess most others, if not… Read more »

Steven Augustine
Steven Augustine
Sep 27, 2020 1:49 PM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

Petra! “So at least these two guys and I’d say we can guess most others, if not all, are in on the operation. Do you think these reporters would be OK with the callous and cold-blooded killing of however many fellow citizens…” With all due respect, I think you’re falling for a fallacy in parapolitical analysis that is common to us non-monsters: you’re judging the psychology of these people as though it were similar to your own. Which, yes: the good news is you clearly aren’t a psychopath. Bad news: you will not be very good at figuring out the behaviors of psychopaths. Forget, for the moment, 9/11. Think about the kids who were deliberately starved to death, in Iraq, by Maddy Albright and the Bush/Clinton cabal (to send a message to former business partner Saddam and/or destabilize his regime). Remember when Albright was, famously, interviewed about that and asked… Read more »

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Sep 27, 2020 2:10 PM

You’re a fast writer, Steven. Wow! While I might have a suspicion that this or that event is fake I won’t claim it until I look at the evidence. I shall drop any “do you think this or that person” but simply stick to the evidence, that is, there is zero evidence for death and injury and clear evidence of its fakery on 9/11. That is all I need. If you need more, fair enough. And while it may seem that way I really never judge anything by thinking “this number of people wouldn’t” or “that person wouldn’t”, I make my judgements by the evidence. Yes, Miles Mathis is intriguing. There’s another site Piece of Mindful where they think everyone is fake including Paul McCartney. I’m like that is ridiculous! While I think a lot of things are fake I don’t think everything is, Steven, and when I do it’s… Read more »

Steven Augustine
Steven Augustine
Sep 27, 2020 2:24 PM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

One thing I believe is the astounding achievement of astronauts landing on the moon …”

Ha ha. No comment, Petra. No comment.

Steven Augustine
Steven Augustine
Sep 27, 2020 2:41 PM

Wait a minute… has the penny dropped? I remember debating about the “Apollo” meme, here at OffGuard, with several vociferously pro-Apollo avatars a few years back… and how one of them, on the one hand, believed that the Grenfell Towers fire-deaths were a “psyop” and completely faked (no deaths!?)… while, on the other hand (the most breathtaking cognitive dissonance of that year, for me), she utterly bought into US Gov’s Cold War Apollo spectacle! And I remember thinking: some of this person’s comments are so illogical that this can’t be real. Erm… was that you? It was, wasn’t it? Laugh.

Hmmmmm…

John Ervin
John Ervin
Sep 27, 2020 7:30 PM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

The School of the Americas is a festering boil on the larger boil of USAmerican foreign policy. So, instead of lancing it, they just rebranded, to fester anew. SOP.

[GEN’L DISCLAIMER: for those who read my efforts as a plan to infiltrate the Hourly Beast –occasionally known as The CIA & “Known” Associates– that is mostly an endeavor of diminishing returns: quite frankly my efforts have always been to find ways to exfiltrate from ‘the world’. That is simply an aboriginally (Catholic) Christian mission, no more no less. In its purest sense.

But even trickier perhaps than infiltration, of all kinds. In any case, there are those who prefer the prudence of socially distancing themselves from the one, if not the other. ]

Sophie - Admin1
Admin
Sophie - Admin1
Sep 26, 2020 5:04 PM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

Just checking – are you claiming Hiroshima and Nagasaki were NOT destroyed?

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Sep 27, 2020 6:35 AM

Can I just check something with you first, Admin, before I answer your question? Which hypothesis (if either) do you think the following facts favour? If you don’t think there’s any favouring of a particular hypothesis perhaps you can explain why. Of course, I’m not suggesting the facts PROVE anything at all, because obviously if there were clear physical evidence of a nuclear bomb having been dropped they would mean nothing at all, I’m just asking which hypothesis do you think they favour putting aside consideration of any other evidence? H1 Nuclear bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki occurred as we are told. H2 No nuclear bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki occurred and they let us know with things that do not seem consistent with the seriousness of such events and strange anomalies, the “letting us know” being a phenomenon we see commonly in staged events such as the cat and… Read more »

Steven Augustine
Steven Augustine
Sep 27, 2020 2:05 PM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

Petra: Not a single one of those counter-examples invalidates the theory that atomic weapons were used, by the US, against Hiroshima and Nagasaki. These factoids may well be evidence that the propaganda surrounding the events was garbled, or that the people involved had sick senses of humor, or that the Internet is a garbled source of info… but what you need to prove, I should think, is that A) nuclear weapons aren’t possible or B) whether they are possible or not, they are prohibitively difficult to manufacture and deploy and/or C) US Gov would never, under any circumstances deploy such a weapon against people. Your list doesn’t come close to meeting any of those three fundamental challenges. I think you have to think these things through to a further degree of thoroughness. No “mainstream Normie citizen” of 30-years-plus, with a decent education, would, for an instant, take these arguments seriously.… Read more »

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Sep 27, 2020 2:22 PM

Steven, I am NOT putting forward my points as evidence against nuclear weapons. Of course not! However, the anomalies are exactly the type we see in psyops generally and the BS miracle survivor story is a very common hallmark. Nevertheless, they cannot be used as evidence, of course.

Unfortunately, I haven’t marshalled my argument so I need to do that. I read the book below (but haven’t maintained its key points in my mind) and it was very compelling. You’ll find 19 out of the 20 reviews praise it highly, some of which are written by people who claim they were skeptical before reading it.
https://www.amazon.com/Death-Object-Exploding-Nuclear-Weapons/dp/1545516839

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Sep 27, 2020 2:53 PM

Just to say we always have to consider that the media story must PROVE itself too. It is not the default! If there is any reason to doubt a story (and my facts – they are not factoids, they are facts! – cast doubt on the story) it must equally prove itself. So they told us they dropped nuclear bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki but why, a priori, should be believe that story?

Mushroom clouds?

Steven Augustine
Steven Augustine
Sep 27, 2020 2:58 PM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

Har! Sorry, Petra. After your “Apollo” comment (rather a non-sequitur, wasn’t it?) I figured one or two things out. I’m going to waste my time more pleasurably this Sunday afternoon.

Cheers!

S

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Sep 27, 2020 3:13 PM

I mention the moon landings simply because I want to show I don’t think everything’s fake, that’s all, but I get the impression you think they are.

I wonder what you mean by “I figured one or two things out”. I get the feeling you think I’m being dishonest or something similar. I’m not.

Steven Augustine
Steven Augustine
Sep 27, 2020 3:00 PM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

Just to say we always have to consider that the media story must PROVE itself too”

Sez Apollo Gurl

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Sep 28, 2020 3:49 AM

Yes, Steven, says Apollo Girl although I readily admit I have little knowledge of the moon landings – I believe I simply have sufficient to recognise they happened and find any debunking doesn’t stand up. Also, when you see people arguing about the moon landings those who support their reality are always so much more obviously knowledgeable and are always able to debunk the less knowledgeable debunkers no sweat. But guess what? Despite recognising that astounding achievement, amongst all the mindblowing fakery I did manage to find a psyop CONNECTED to the moon landings. Yes, I wouldn’t be Psyop Girrrrrrrrl if I didn’t find a psyop somewhere in there would I? My identical twin and I have argued beyond the point of insanity about the moon landings and I’ve also argued about them with a couple of friends. It occurred to me that these three people simply disbelieve everything from… Read more »

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Sep 27, 2020 3:04 PM

Also, just to say although my comment was addressed to Admin not to you what I ask in the comment is which hypothesis is favoured.

You see what you’ve done. You’ve taken one point and said “Yes obviously the Church would scramble in to cook up a “miracle” narrative.” Really? Does the Church cook up miracle survivor stories for every big event like this?

The ludicrous miracle survivor is a hallmark of psyops so it perfectly fits the psyop hypothesis whereas it doesn’t fit real nuclear bombing hypothesis perfectly. The psyop hypothesis is favoured.

All my points favour psyop, right? They ALL favour psyop. They aren’t proof, of course, and should there be physical evidence of a nuclear bomb they mean nothing as I said but the thing is ALL 9 POINTS FAVOUR THE PSYOP HYPOTHESIS. That’s a simple fact.

Steven Augustine
Steven Augustine
Sep 27, 2020 10:16 PM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

Yes, tell us more about the “psyops,” Flaxgirl! Laugh. Here you are, a few years back, “debunking” the Grenfell Tower fire, applying Super Logic™ to illuminating effect: “flaxgirl Jun 26, 2017 1:32 PM Reply to  StAugI do not see evidence of injury or death other than easily faked body bags as I said in above comment. And I see zero distraughtness – which I would expect to be extremely manifest. There’s also lots of bizarre crisis acting which I’ve put links to in other comments. I have simply not seen what I consider evidence of the alleged event. Show me something that couldn’t have been staged and I’ll pay attention.” Now, I know you’re not doing it on purpose (professionally, I mean, ie: you’re not working for an Agency) , but when so many Crisis Events are absolutely preposterous, and there really is blatant evidence of theatrical staging at the very cores of… Read more »

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Sep 28, 2020 12:23 AM

Forgive me Steven if I don’t watch the 43 Grenfell minute film. Following are snippets of the same woman being interviewed. I couldn’t help noticing in the first snippet she’s holding a mask! How ’bout them apples. https://153news.net/watch_video.php?v=8SW28BWKY2Y9 She says that people were putting their hands on the windows and: “… even some people throwing their children, throwing themself from the window even a lady trying to get clothes, tying them up to escape down but we told her, “don’t do that” because there’s no one down there to protect you.” “I told people to get off, to jump, to control their kids, wanted to get mattresses, wanted to get sheets, police were pushing us away, fathers was coming from the prayer.” “A friend of mine told me it was a friend of her neighbour her refrigerator blew off.” “The fire happened from the outside in.” What we see in… Read more »

Steven Augustine
Steven Augustine
Sep 28, 2020 10:33 AM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

“Forgive me Steven if I don’t watch the 43 Grenfell minute film.”

Petra, why on Earth would you? Your only interest is in posting Disinfo by the kilometer. No way am I A) clicking any of your links B) engaging with you after this.

Not sure what’s “in it for you” but you’re the one who has to face yourself in the mirror, every morning, so I guess that’s between the two of you.

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Sep 28, 2020 11:21 AM

The video I post to is 1:41 minutes long. If you’d posted a short video for me to watch I would have watched it but 43 minutes about an event that I’ve studied in quite a bit of detail is not really reasonable especially when you give no detail about it what it contains that’s so compelling. They have bogus sob story films for loads of events. What I’ve done is put the significant text of that 1:41 minute video I posted with an analysis of the text. I went to much more trouble than you did to make my case, however, if you wish to give no consideration to that trouble, if you are so committed to your belief in in the Grenfell Tower fire occurring in an unevacuated building that you won’t bother to watch the short video or consider my analysis that is your prerogative. I went… Read more »

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Sep 28, 2020 12:35 AM

Julian Assange I didn’t mention my connection to Julian (actually met him once) before because I was being discreet. I didn’t really want to air that I had an issue with John trying to persuade him of the fakery of Chelsea and the Collateral Murder video. Is that a good enough reason for you Steven or something still suspicious about it? What is wrong with the argument of Julian’s health? I think it’s pretty compelling myself. I’m not sure what you believe – do you believe he is an agent? The thing is it’s the only argument I have because I simply don’t know that much about Wikileaks or Julian, despite the personal connection. Didn’t really discuss Julian or Wikileaks all that much with John. I just cottoned onto Chelsea and the video when I saw a glamorous photo of Chelsea which raised my suspicions and then I started to… Read more »

Steven Augustine
Steven Augustine
Sep 28, 2020 10:30 AM

Hey MODS: Erm… how the FUCK did They (whoever They are) switch the video I posted… to the video I now see linked above? This is the one (below I originally posted (and if the video linked in my above-comment switches back to the original, in the interim, the one I’m seeing now, above, is titled “Rachel Speaks Out-9 September”… a video I’ve seen posted elsewhere in the threads but that I’ve never watched). So here is the original (and MODS, you might consider installing a different security app! laugh):

Steven Augustine
Steven Augustine
Sep 28, 2020 1:02 PM

So, this morning, after posting the video clip displayed at the end of the post at— https://off-guardian.org/2020/09/23/in-memoriam-andre-vltchek/#comment-247144

…I noticed that a different video had been put in its place; a few hours later the original video was returned. Is the OFFGUARDIAN being fucked with, or is that a “natural” glitch? Are we being Gaslighted? Luckily, I screenshotted the original posting (not out of foresight, in this case, but for a post on my blog):

https://wp.me/a555eV-3aj

Margaret
Margaret
Sep 27, 2020 12:09 AM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

I have to disagree with you Petra about the atomic bombs dropped on Japan. Fortunately there were survivors, who were children who wrote about their experiences. I had such a book many years ago, but unfortunately it became rag eared, and was lost in one of my house moves. But the memory of those children’s horror stories stayed with me for over 50 years. Just as the napalming of thousands of Vietnamese… The nuking of the WTC’s on 911 did happen, and thousands of people died. Their bone fragments were found miles away on apartment windowsills and rooves. The exploding missiles were a distraction. Many people gained that day, not least the Mafia who had all their incriminating documents burned, and Silverstein who gained millions in Insurance money, and the Banks. You know that Billions in Gold and precious metals were retrieved in the biggest gold heist in history from… Read more »

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Sep 27, 2020 3:32 AM
Reply to  Margaret

9/11 The exploding missiles were a distraction. The 9/11 story is ALL about distraction and lies, Margaret, including nuclear. It’s all smoke’n’mirrors. They TOLD us there were bone fragments. They TOLD us many many things but lying underneath all the magic propaganda dust is a very simple story, to wit: On 9/11 buildings were damaged and destroyed by controlled means. The planes were faked and death and injury were staged. 9/11 was a massive Full-Scale Anti-Terrorist Exercise pushed out as a real event like all their terror psyops: Sandy Hook, Manchester bombing, and many, many others. It was not a “false flag” per se – false flag is a misleading propaganda term. As Francis Richard Conolly says in his film, JFK to 9/11 Everything is a Rich Man’s Trick, which first woke me up to how the world is run: All terror is fake. I have a webpage on on… Read more »

Margaret
Margaret
Sep 28, 2020 2:06 AM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

Planes were not used on 911. That was the script used to distract us.
Missiles were used, and the video below could shine some light on it for you?
It is 2 hours long and contains lots of thought provoking stuff, rather like OffG but also meanders a lot – rather like OffG? lol. But there might just be something in there that will fit one of your puzzles?
I began to lose interest after the first half hour, but the photos of the missiles and the aircraft carrier proved my theory, without a shadow of a doubt…
Jason Q on 9/11, NASA, Flat Earth, Trump Resigns, Flynn President, Kennedy and MORE!

I know that Lt. Col.O’Brian was the pilot of the modified C130 aircraft carrier that delivered the missiles to the Pentagon, and Shanksville,
http://www.historycommons.org/entity.jsp?entity=steve_o_brien
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steven_O%27Brien_(pilot)
http://lorainenunley.com/10-things-the-c-130-hercules-can-transport/

Margaret
Margaret
Sep 28, 2020 9:12 PM
Reply to  Margaret

I should have said begin the video at 36 mins… I was sent this video, and watched it late at night so couldn’t actually maintain the concentration, but my ears pricked up at 36 min……

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Sep 29, 2020 12:26 AM
Reply to  Margaret

I have to say my feeling is nothing was used at all other than explosives within the buildings, however, I will watch your video with interest. Someone has explained to me how missiles were used before but I didn’t find their explanation compelling.

To my mind though if the explanation is one that people can easily dispute it’s best to leave it out of the main argument. Sure, it’s interesting if missiles were used but if we just say the buildings came down by controlled means that’s sufficient in my book. I’m not sure why they’d use missiles when I can’t see why they would have had to although maybe they just wanted to test them … or maybe they did in fact have to use them to do the operation the way they wanted.

Margaret
Margaret
Sep 28, 2020 8:30 PM
Reply to  Petra Liverani
Margaret
Margaret
Sep 28, 2020 9:08 PM
Reply to  Margaret

The U.S. government orchestrated or abetted the 9/11 attacks. No planes struck WTC7, and the commonly available views of the exterior didn’t show significant damage. Yet, at 5:20 pm, 7 hours after the collapse of the Twin Towers (WTC 1 and 2), WTC 7 rapidly fell in on itself. Since WTC 7 housed Secret Service and CIA offices, it is obvious to a blind man that the building was destroyed in a controlled demolition – in order to obliterate evidence of the U.S. government’s complicity in the terrorist attacks. “It is impossible for a building to fall the way it fell without explosives being involved,” stated actress and TV personality Rosie O’Donnell of ABC’s The View in March 2007. “For the first time in history, steel was melted by fire. It is physically impossible,” she said. http://www.wtc7.net/lcache/wtc7_files/7graph.jpg NO PLANE HERE ! WTC-7, the “CIA building”, 47 stories, also appeared to be destroyed by Thermite demolitions.… Read more »

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Sep 29, 2020 12:18 AM
Reply to  Margaret

Margaret, My question isn’t why WTC-7? My question is why bring down WTC-7 in a very, very self-incriminating SHOWCASE implosion on 9/11 when we are given no clue about how WTCs 3, 4, 5 and 6 came down … which they also had very good reason for bringing down too no doubt, however, they didn’t advertise their destructions. Think about it. The people pushing 9/11 truth are A&E not pilots or professionals connected with the planes. In fact, 60 aerospace engineers are signed onto A&E but they don’t talk about the PLANES!, no, they talk about the BUILDINGS. Faked planes mean faked deaths and they want to keep us right away from any fakery of death because if you start thinking about the fakery of plane deaths then you might start thinking about the possibility of fakery of the other deaths. They know that only a very small percentage of… Read more »

Steven Augustine
Steven Augustine
Sep 27, 2020 2:16 PM
Reply to  Margaret

Margaret:

“The nuking of the WTC’s on 911 did happen”

TFIC have really set up an effective wilderness of mirrors around their crimes, I think. Finding our way out is going to be hard…

Claiming a nuclear weapon was used at the WTC complex is an extraordinary claim with very little extraordinary evidence to support it; surely a “briefcase nuke” (if they exist) would be the weapon of choice if they’d wanted to vaporize that entire section of Manhattan. Anybody with a Geiger counter has c. 25,000 years to prove/ disprove that theory (the next 25,000 years, after the first, the signal will have faded significantly).

John Ervin
John Ervin
Sep 27, 2020 7:04 PM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

The argument about the improbability of naming the plane after his mother doesn’t really stack up. That’s a typical false flag decoy of the USA military mind, I saw plenty with my own eyes even as a cadet in ROTC. Reversal of meaning, emotion, message, it’s all part of the (long-standing) ‘culture of psyop’.

I saw a t-shirt on the son of an Irish woman I walked home from Mass one night 35 years ago. On the way she tells me, ‘I ask the Lord, “Let me bloom where I’m planted” she said. When we got to her door she introduced me to her son, who was wearing a slogan on his t: ‘KILL A COMMIE FOR MOMMIE'”

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Sep 28, 2020 12:47 AM
Reply to  John Ervin

OK, John, so Little Boy was dropped on August 6 and Fat Man was dropped on August 9. If they called the first plane Enola Gay after the pilot’s mother wouldn’t it then make the naming of Bockscar with a cartoon image of a boxcar with wings look like it might be going to do a similar job. And isn’t it a little odd that they push out this nomenclature as if it’s all normal. Lay people won’t understand the techniques. Isn’t there the risk of lay people wondering why such disrespect is being shown in the naming of the planes and the bombs? Of course, they haven’t but you’d think they might, right? This is a video that I think rather compellingly shows the fakery of a test nuclear bomb in Operation Hardtack in 1958. What it shows is that the clouds don’t change that would be affected by… Read more »

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Sep 28, 2020 1:02 AM
Reply to  John Ervin

Just had another thought. One might argue that they don’t give their secrets away about how they decoy but surely in that case they wouldn’t reveal the names of the planes or bombs ever … because right there they’re giving the game away.

I’m afraid, John, it’s your argument that doesn’t stack up.

God I hate the way I have to defend my signs of psyops. Drives me mad. It’s true signs of a psyop alone don’t prove it is one. Nevertheless they are still signs of a psyop. They are clearly signs … even if ultimately the event proves to be real.

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Sep 28, 2020 3:24 AM
Reply to  John Ervin

Actually, I thank you for your comment, John, it helps me state my psyop points better. It’s interesting how they advertise the name of the planes and the bombs, isn’t it? We really do have to wonder why they would advertise it the way they have just as they have advertised the FBI codename for investigation of 9/11 as being PENTTBOM. And what is so very, very fascinating is the way nobody – that I’m aware of anyway – has pointed out the seeming disrespect for the seeming death and destruction caused by these bombs in these names. They know us so well, John, they know us so well. They know how to control our minds so very easily … and yet when you try to point out to people how they’re controlling our minds they won’t have a bar of it. People really don’t get how they control our… Read more »

John Ervin
John Ervin
Sep 28, 2020 4:03 AM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

Thanks for the comments, sorry that I can’t always respond to each point. If I had a keyboard, I’d cover more, as I type about ten times as fast as this smartphone, my humbled means for months at the moment! The Main Library here just reopened for PC use! So that may help. As I’ve said often enough, I admire your essential approach of questioning everything about unusual events, as you turn up hidden gold mines of very valuable questions and perceptions, and we need them now more than ever. Some have taken shots about some not fully hatched theories, but I could care less about those since your remarkable finds outweigh any others, and after all we are involved in secondary evidence. Mostly. One story I’ll share that’s not. But first, you wrote: ***”And what is so very, very fascinating is the way nobody – that I’m aware of… Read more »

John Ervin
John Ervin
Sep 28, 2020 4:39 AM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

I posted this elsewhere here, but it got garbled by some glitch at a point I needed to reword, so ignore that. I’ll try to repost later.

John Ervin
John Ervin
Sep 27, 2020 6:45 PM

That’s closer to my position, why wouldn’t they want a “mixed bag” and a “mixed message” for such a fiasco? Having it so mixed on each front offers even more, not less, cover for them to hide their tracks, which is one of their main missions.

Steven Augustine
Steven Augustine
Sep 27, 2020 7:51 PM
Reply to  John Ervin

Indeed. For every job, there’s a tool in the toolkit.

Victor G.
Victor G.
Sep 27, 2020 9:12 PM

Geese, we all just made a heap of dough for Petra by engaging her (I presume she gets paid by the post count).
I like the way she shimmies around the word, “evidence”, as if she’s ever provide a sliver of the same …

Steven Augustine
Steven Augustine
Sep 27, 2020 10:34 PM
Reply to  Victor G.

Ha ha! Possibly…

Steven Augustine
Steven Augustine
Sep 27, 2020 10:37 PM
Reply to  Victor G.

You know who/what Petra “Flaxgirl” Liverani’s style reminds me of? Remember “Sorcha Faal”…?

John Ervin
John Ervin
Sep 28, 2020 10:02 AM

Sorch Faal Lives!

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Sep 28, 2020 1:22 AM
Reply to  Victor G.

Victor, how do I not provide evidence or at least logic or reason?

I’ve put forward five 10-point Occam’s Razor exercises mostly using EVIDENCE but also simple logic and reason and I’ve issued a $5,000 challenge for people to respond with an exercise favouring the opposing hypothesis to do the same with favouring of hypotheses reversed and they can choose their own judge from a specified profession.

No one has responded so far.

Do you have a website making cases for arguments? Have you issued a challenge to which no one has responded?

Where is your evidence, Victor? Where’s yours?

Margaret
Margaret
Sep 25, 2020 3:04 PM
Reply to  John Goss

Hi John, Why would you need an inquest into Dr David Kelly’s death? Everyone knows he cut his wrist with a rusty penknife, and took a few Coproxamol to end his life…. Then miracle of miracles, managed to move positions after he died. Teflon Tony Bliar had him killed. I believe Alistair Campbell knew the truth, I wonder if that’s why he had a breakdown? >>> Andrew Watt, quoted prominently in the Saturday edition of Britain’s Mail Online‘ said “I reported to the Thames force that I believe that the death of Dr Kelly may have been murder,” and said. “I have received an acknowledgement and they have given me an incident number. I have been told that the inquiry is being conducted by a very senior officer.” (lol, lol, lol)  A team of 13 doctors also challenged the finding, insisting that he could not have bled to death from a… Read more »

John Goss
John Goss
Sep 25, 2020 5:05 PM
Reply to  Margaret

Thank you Margaret for filling in some of the gaps. Andrew Watt did some sterling work – and quite a few others. An inquest was started until Tony Blair’s old friend Lord Falconer advised an Inquiry suggesting that Lord Hutton was a safe bet.

http://www.richardwebster.net/print/xhuttonmirror.htm

Coroners’ Law has changed since this event and technically the Hutton Inquiry was illegal. At that time Inquiries were only called then there were multiple deaths – as with Hillsborough. After the change in law another whitewash replaced an inquest in the case of Alexander Litvinenko. Where we go in the future is anyone’s guess.

Margaret
Margaret
Sep 25, 2020 7:47 PM
Reply to  John Goss

Now there’s a conundrum… What exactly did Falconer know? ””The Lord Chancellor, Charles Falconer, who was in London, rang Blair on the aircraft’s phone within minutes of the body being found and in a surprisingly brief call was instructed to set in motion a full-blown public inquiry into Dr Kelly’s death. “Falconer established this inquiry ‘several hours before’ any exact cause of Dr Kelly’s death had been determined officially – and, indeed, ‘before’ the body found that morning had been formally identified.” In his opinion this was unusual. He speculated: “What could possibly have led Falconer and Blair, the two most senior political figures of the day, to take this unusual step on the basis of what, according to contemporaneous police reports, appeared to be a tragic case of a professional man ending his own life? “Why were they even involved at such an early stage in what was essentially… Read more »

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Sep 26, 2020 2:41 AM
Reply to  Margaret

Margaret, you’re making the assumption he’s actually dead but all the clues they give us would indicate he isn’t. Wouldn’t his wife be jumping up and down at the utter ludicrousness of the death story. It is ludicrous from top to bottom and side to side.

It’s a thing, in fact, a pretty common thing:

They allege someone has committed suicide but they make it look like murder (in very sloppy fashion mind you) but it’s neither of those. The person is “sheepdipped” – given a new identity and shipped off somewhere. Alternatively, they make it look like murder but same result – the person isn’t dead, they are just sheepdipped.

Steven Augustine
Steven Augustine
Sep 26, 2020 8:51 AM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

Definitely, in my opinion, the case with Epstein. The mere fact that even most “Alt” coverage of his “fake-suicide: murder” studiously avoided even mentioning the possibility that Epstein isn’t dead… struck me as suspicious. Along with the supposedly grassroots “Epstein didn’t kill himself” meme invading YouTube comment threads that year.

John Ervin
John Ervin
Sep 28, 2020 10:43 AM

Robin Williams. None of the Press to be found the world over even made a peep, such as,”Is there any possibility of foul play?”

David Carradine. The media reporting his death focused on the lurid sex “evidence” and yet not possible murder? There is a consensus within his famed family that he was murdered. Interestingly, too, that that story is buried, as is the same silence with Kobe Bryant.

Well, the list goes on.

That doesn’t compare to the Epstein issue, except as to a trail of press deceptions.

John Ervin
John Ervin
Sep 28, 2020 10:20 AM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

Well, it could work like that, and you’re definitely right about the strange inefficiency in staged suicideds that are badly rigged homicides (Marilyn Monroe’s comes to mind; and my father’s, another, where two shots were fired but only one casing found inside the locked car.) It shows up and comes across as a high-level contract killing, but then stuff is all out of place? Doesn’t add up. But I don’t follow the sheep dip. If, say, Marilyn took a powder to Siberia, word is going to get out, a face even known in the wilds. Forget about her Omertà, even if she never confessed, just her mere presence would blow the whole game, it would be a proof of a vast network of conspirators, within government. Then come the real hitmen. They could never afford to have her found alive. Plastic surgery? I dunno, it just seems there would be… Read more »

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Sep 28, 2020 11:45 AM
Reply to  John Ervin

Yes, I should have made the point that they may well murder the person even when they make obvious signs and it’s true, I guess, they may have murdered David Kelly. Perhaps his family know perfectly well he was murdered but know they need to keep their mouths shut … or who knows even wanted him dead too for some reason – wild speculation but no doubt in some cases it may be the case although it seems reasonably unlikely??? I guess what I should say is that just because they say suicide and then do a sloppy job where it seems like murder it doesn’t mean they killed the person, they, at least, could have sheepdipped them. No doubt they really did kill Marilyn Monroe but I’m sure she could make herself look very different from the way she did. She was very much a persona. Perhaps both she… Read more »

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Sep 28, 2020 12:01 PM
Reply to  John Ervin

Actually, looking at David Kelly I feel pretty convinced it was all staged. I think all this chemical and biological weapon stuff is just a way of fear-mongering. The post-9/11 anthrax attacks were completely bogus and, of course, David Kelly didn’t come out and say that, did he? No way. He would have known for sure. Nope. I don’t buy it. I don’t think David Kelly was killed. This strikes me as funny. Apparently there was a Justice for Kelly (JFK) group who wanted his body exhumed so under their noses it was exhumed at the family’s wishes because they didn’t like JFK hanging around and insisting on exhumation. They were said to be upset about local campaign group Justice For Kelly visiting his grave to leave notes and flowers — and even threatening to have his body dug up themselves.In July 2014 the group also placed three placards a few yards from… Read more »

Freeborn John
Freeborn John
Sep 24, 2020 11:42 AM

Andre’s last appearance on TV

https://youtu.be/pT7b6dTVs7s

Telling truth to tyrants is fraught with danger.

Steven Augustine
Steven Augustine
Sep 24, 2020 9:41 AM

David Graeber (59) in Venice, Andre Vltchek (57) in Istanbul. I’d advise Michel Chossudovsky to avoid travelling this year.

timfrom
timfrom
Sep 24, 2020 10:39 AM

I got the impression that Graeber, having been given only a short time to live, travelled to Venice in order to die in his favourite place. It would be my choice, too. Does anyone know what killed him? (Please, God, let it not be Covid-19!)

Steven Augustine
Steven Augustine
Sep 24, 2020 12:27 PM
Reply to  timfrom

I got the impression that Graeber, having been given only a short time to live, travelled to Venice in order to die in his favourite place.”

No such narrative has been reported, as far as I’m aware of. Graeber was given a short time to live, but I don’t think he was notified of the decision beforehand:

“His wife Nika Dubrovsky announced on Twitter that Graeber was vacationing with her and friends in Venice, and that the immediate cause was internal bleeding.”

I mean, sure, I get “plausible deniability” (at least Kari Mullis was 74, despite the incredible suggestiveness of the timing of his death), but Graeber at just 59? Vltcheck at 57? The more gullible we are the bolder they get. I always say that the period immediately before and after a “pivotal” election (as in when the Bush/Reagan junta was ushered in) is unusually dangerous for dissidents but this is getting ridiculous.

Steven Augustine
Steven Augustine
Sep 24, 2020 12:43 PM

I mean, how does this NOT sound like poisoning?

“David Graeber’s death cause is unknown yet. However, Graeber posted on Twitter in August that he had “been sick for a month.” He maintained that the illness caused him “weird soapy taste in my mouth, exhaustion, stomach [and] lung-ache.”

Tom Welsh
Tom Welsh
Sep 24, 2020 3:22 PM

Quite apart from Graeber’s magnificent books, he wrote articles like this:

“Turkey could cut off Islamic State’s supply lines. So why doesn’t it?”https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/nov/18/turkey-cut-islamic-state-supply-lines-erdogan-isis

Tom Welsh
Tom Welsh
Sep 24, 2020 3:19 PM
Steven Augustine
Steven Augustine
Sep 24, 2020 5:01 PM
Reply to  Tom Welsh

Yes, that’s right, I forgot about that!

Steven Augustine
Steven Augustine
Sep 24, 2020 5:02 PM
Reply to  Tom Welsh

It used to be easy to search for reliable sites on the theme of “SUSPICIOUS DEATHS of PARAPOLITICAL RESEARCHERS”… much harder now. Know of any…?

Margaret
Margaret
Sep 25, 2020 3:23 PM

The list is endless Steven:
David Ike, and Gilad Atzmon, Norman Finkelstein, and John Pilger, Vanessa Beeley, and Eva Bartlett…All have knives aimed at their backs.

TRUTH-TELLERS “Many people, especially ignorant people, want to punish you for speaking the truth, for being correct. Never apologize for being correct, or for being years ahead of your time. If you’re right and you know it, speak your mind. Even if you are a minority of one, the truth is still the truth.” Mahatma Gandhi 

Steven Augustine
Steven Augustine
Sep 25, 2020 4:50 PM
Reply to  Margaret

Margaret! I was looking specifically for (reliable, no-nonsense) sites aggregating lists of “Suspicious Deaths”… hard to find, now. Oh, and re: Icke: controlled opposition (specifically, they use him to “black-wash” valid parapolitical topics, a la Alex Jones, to scare the Uni-educated, middle class electorate away from radical discourse). And Gandhi… well… speaking of “truth”… (the rule of thumb should be to look skeptically upon the figures which our Psychopathic Rulers celebrate most energetically): “let’s take a quick look at a sample of Gandhi’s views on Afrikan-Black people at the age of 36: 22 May, 1906 “It was a gross injustice to seek to place Indians in the same class as the Kaffirs.” (Vol. V. The Collected Works of Mahatma Gandhi (Electronic Book) (Vol. 98 volumes). New Delhi: Publications Division Government of India, p. 226) ‘Kaffir’ is an extremely derogatory term used to describe the indigenous Afrikan/Black people of uMzantsi Afrika (South Africa),… Read more »

Margaret
Margaret
Sep 28, 2020 4:50 PM

Hi Tony,
Thanks for the information about Gandhi, I was surprised and disappointed to read that he was such a racist. In my defence, I was not seeking to deify him by quoting him, but thought the phrase was apt. Likewise, I have no admiration for Goebbels but often quote his opinions about Propaganda and the sheeple.
I had the same reaction to the truth about Mother Theresa, who in spite of her ”totally self sacrificing attention to others” was not a ‘good’ woman.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_Mother_Teresa
Sadly I have come to realise quite late in my life, that there are NO perfect people on this planet.

Margaret
Margaret
Sep 28, 2020 5:15 PM

Hi Steven,
I wasn’t seeking to deify Gandhi but simply posting a quote which I thought was apt. Just as I posted Goebbel’s opinions about propaganda, but that wasn’t meant to show that I admired him?
I wasn’t aware of Gandhi’s racism, thank you for enlightening me. I am very disappointed, but why should I have been surprised, because there are no ‘perfect’ people on this planet.

Steven Augustine
Steven Augustine
Sep 28, 2020 7:32 PM
Reply to  Margaret

Margaret:

On top of his life-long racism (and dodgy sexual practices), are you aware that Gandhi, in essence, killed his wife? Not with a pistol but by denying her a medical treatment that would have contradicted his belief system! Irony: he later needed the same medical treatment… and opted to take it.

It’s not so much that nobody’s perfect (there are lots of genuinely great people on this Earth), it’s just that anyone TFIC grant world-fame to, and then beatify (like the mega-creepy Mother Teresa), we need to be leery of. The Truly Great rarely get famous and often dwell in obscurity… seek one out near you! (Or in you)

Margaret
Margaret
Oct 2, 2020 9:54 PM

What saddens me is that I spent too many years thinking these were good people. I was one of those ‘stuck in the cave’. It came as a great shock to realise that it had been possible to be duped to such an extent. Taught me a lesson though, to research everything minutely. I need to know what is TFIC? ‘The truly Great’ what like John Lennon? And yes, I am and always have been, a good person, who has striven even harder, consciously for the past 30 years (since I had my epiphany when I had cancer) to ‘do the right thing’ and help those less fortunate in my community, especially children. Only now I am toothless (not literally) and had I been an Inuit, I would have been left outside the tent years ago. lol… Which causes me a great deal of frustration. That is why I get… Read more »

Steven Augustine
Steven Augustine
Oct 2, 2020 10:34 PM
Reply to  Margaret

Margaret! Well, yeah, I think Lennon was sort of great… but not in the Disneyfied way the audience has been programmed to demand of their “icons”. He got a lot of stuff wrong in an isolated-ignorant-super-celebrity-of-the-70s way; all that New Age mumbo jumbo Yoko hooked him up to in direct conflict with his common-sense, no-nonsense, “give me some truth” nature. But he struggled mightily to find a way to do good things; he struggled mightily to get to The Truth. But the poor guy was so weak when it came to mother-figures, eh? I know they’re anathema among Beatles “fans” (I’m as thoroughly conversant with Beatles lore as almost any non-scholar could be) but between Albert Goldman’s book, and Fred Seaman’s book, and a teaspoon of grains of salt, I think there’s some pretty bracing (disturbing) info about Lennon’s last years, and how close he came to escaping, and how… Read more »

Margaret
Margaret
Oct 3, 2020 6:36 PM

From the beginning I think John was the driving force in the Beatles, and was ‘a rebel’ who delighted in sarcasm.. because he couldn’t stand the sycophant and falsity. I thought Yoko was a clever con woman, who fascinated John because she took everyone for a ride. Her ‘art’ was akin to Tracy Emmen, and was literally a pile of ‘***’. And as you say she hooked him up to some pretty weird stuff.. And caused him to disown his son Julian.. Who I thought was John when I heard his first record.. But it kept him in the public eye, and definitely made a difference to the ‘Stop the War in Vietnam’ protests. I think that is why the CIA had him assassinated. For it is as clear as day that Mark Chapman was mind controlled. I read and enjoyed your ‘Century of the Child’. You have the most… Read more »

Steven Augustine
Steven Augustine
Oct 2, 2020 10:36 PM
Reply to  Margaret

“Only now I am toothless (not literally) and had I been an Inuit, I would have been left outside the tent years ago. lol… Which causes me a great deal of frustration.”

But that’s the beauty of the internet: you cam present information stripped of all biographical context, if you like! For now, at least…

John Ervin
John Ervin
Sep 28, 2020 10:51 AM
Reply to  Margaret

“Truth is Truth, wherever it is found.”. — Thomas Aquinas

tonyopmoc
tonyopmoc
Sep 24, 2020 3:51 AM

I don’t think any of these horrible people in control of us can change the weather, I don’t think any of them including Piers Corbyn can oredict the weather more than a few weeks if that in advance. I do not know what the weather is going to do, over the next few weeks and months, but I suspect it may get incredibly cold and you should prepare for it, just in case ALL The power goes off for 3 months, and it gets incredibly cold. Prepare for it. Warm clothing – basic camping gear like a little gas stove £20 + gas bottles If you have got a car -hopefully 4wd + snow chains…Snow boots or ordianary boots, with metallic wife grip under lay. Rucksack, Gloves, Snow Coat, Walking Sticks and Skis, to get any food availabel back from your local supermarket (do you think this Government will Grit… Read more »

Fish & Chips
Fish & Chips
Sep 24, 2020 5:19 AM
Reply to  tonyopmoc

With respect Tony, this is an article and thread in Memory of Andre Vlthchek.

Margaret
Margaret
Sep 28, 2020 5:08 PM
Reply to  Fish & Chips

Dear oh dear Fish and Chips…..
Clearly you haven’t been around OffG very long? FYI, Andre would have loved how his work inspired others to be motivated, and share their experiences and information that would help others..

Perhaps you would like to see this site turned into a simple book of condolence, and then closed?
Or perhaps we could all put too for a meaningless wreath and lay it at the door of OffG?
We… who actually followed, read or knew Andre, are continuing where he left off…
If you don’t like it then just push off!
I’m sure there are other sites where your narrow, limited input would be very welcome.
And that applies to the 25 muppets who voted up Fish & Chip’s comment.

Rhys Jaggar
Rhys Jaggar
Sep 24, 2020 8:24 AM
Reply to  tonyopmoc

Tony, before saying ‘no-one can control the weather’, you should go read about HAARP technology, which seeks to mimic the effect of solar CMEs reaching the upper atmosphere, amongst other things. Whilst no-one has contacted Wikileaks to my knowledge to release detailed information on just what the various HAARP stations globally can do and have done (the biggest one is in Alaska, but they also exist in Norway and Russia), I am firmly of the opinion that the US military is actively testing weather control as a warmongering strategy, particularly given the adverse weather conditions that seemed to have visited major sporting events held outside the US in the decade 2010-19.

Steven Augustine
Steven Augustine
Sep 24, 2020 9:32 AM
Reply to  tonyopmoc

“I don’t think any of these horrible people in control of us can change the weather”

Actually, the tech for that has been around for quite some time and its rudimentary civilian iteration is so banal that you can hire a company to make sure it’s a sunny day for your wedding. The service isn’t cheap but it isn’t Sci Fi, either.

Margaret
Margaret
Sep 26, 2020 3:18 PM
Reply to  tonyopmoc

Hi Tony, I happen to agree with you, for this is the worst case scenario for many, even now, before the proverbial hits the fan…. My family and I have camped for many years and missing from your list is a wind up Radio: £19.99 . https://www.amazon.co.uk/Duronic-Radio-HYBRID-Charge-Ways/dp/B002D9FKDS/ref=sr_1_3?crid=2ORRJXZLKQNL0&dchild=1&keywords=camping+radio+dab&qid=1601125076&sprefix=camping+radio%2Caps%2C166&sr=8-3 And a wind up Hurricane lamp:: £19.99 https://www.amazon.co.uk/Duronic-Hurricane-Torch-Rechargeable-Ways/dp/B00BHY7URE/ref=sr_1_5?dchild=1&keywords=wind+up+camping+hurricane+lamp&qid=1601125427&sr=8- Better still a Solar and Wind up version is the one I recommend because I bought one: £27.99 https://www.amazon.co.uk/AGPTEK-Portable-Camping-Lantern-Rechargeable/dp/B015SGY4Q6/ref=sr_1_9?dchild=1&keywords=wind+up+camping+hurricane+lamp&qid=1601125722&sr=8-9 Also remember to stock up on Vitamins. C/Zinc/CoQ10/Garlic/Cod Liver Oil/Magnesium/Chromium/Selenium/Turmeric. Plasters and Buck wheat honey, which can be used topically for wounds. I have also invested in Colloidal Silver cream and spray for throat infections, and clove oil for toothache. Not forgetting insect repellant. and a mosquitto Other staples are 3% Peroxide. Cleaning cloths. Soap/shampoo/body wash. And of course toilet paper and kitchen rolls. All sizes of Kilner jars for preserving food in season, plus white… Read more »

ZigZagWanderer
ZigZagWanderer
Sep 24, 2020 1:44 AM

One of us … vety sad.

ZigZagWanderer
ZigZagWanderer
Sep 24, 2020 1:45 AM
Reply to  ZigZagWanderer

very

DunGroanin
DunGroanin
Sep 24, 2020 1:27 AM

Oh no.

Haven’t seen any of him around him OG for ages.

I liked his consistency.

Wtf?

I am … upset by this…

tonyopmoc
tonyopmoc
Sep 24, 2020 2:36 AM
Reply to  DunGroanin

Dung, Well maybe you were a right wing cnt, and never realised it. and thought you were way Left of Billy Bragg who I like too. Where you a fan of B’last? B’last. For an American Band ripping off The Best of British Punk, I thought they were Pretty Good…but not as good as even The Stranglers I was a hippy at the time, still long hair, still long hair now, but I still went to the punk gigs – they gave me a bit of git in the bogs – but I just said i’m here to see the band – Tubeway Army -and loads of others later. I still wouldn’t cut my hair , and its still growing out of my head and I am 67 years old now, and it still works. No Prescription Drugs. How about you? Send us a photo, I have just reconnected with… Read more »

DunGroanin
DunGroanin
Sep 24, 2020 9:48 AM
Reply to  tonyopmoc

You may have started a hippy Compo but you sold out long long ago – your pretend personality has run its course – there’s is no going back to the righteous path for most. And certainly not without repentance!

That’s why there are lines which must not be crossed.

Once you do , you are forever lost.
Once a scab, always a SCAB!

Got it you old letch?

————-
I went to bed after enjoying last orders one more time before the lockdown, shocked by Andre’s demise, knowing I was going to be angry and be responding accordingly – I shall be taking fewer prisoners from now on.

You have the honour to be the first of these. No more warnings.

Jeffrey Strahl
Jeffrey Strahl
Sep 24, 2020 12:30 AM

RIP, Andre!

Gezzah Potts
Gezzah Potts
Sep 23, 2020 11:12 PM

This news came as quite a shock to me yesterday when I heard it. Andre was indeed a true internationalist and defender of the underdog and all those ground into the dirt and spat out by Neoliberalism.
I sincerely hope, that people show some respect to this man, even if you disagreed with his politics. At his core, he was a humanist, who cared greatly for the victims of this system. RIP Andre.

tonyopmoc
tonyopmoc
Sep 24, 2020 1:34 AM
Reply to  Gezzah Potts

So are you Gezzah Potts in Australia We have to fight back with our humanity, and the courage that you display. My wife always buys The Big Issue on The Streets of England… Except There is Nowt on. It used to be like Time Out – but with more information about The Best Gigs… But they have now stopped all the Gigs in London…except if you really want to go to what was a live music pub to see an acoustic duo Nimber 1 Wear a Mask when you come in, Number 2 Sit at Your Table – that is allocated to you. Number 3 Do not get up to go to the Bar Number 4 You can only talk to the people allocated to your table Number 5 Do Not Sing Number 6 Dance -do not be Completely Stupid -That has been Banned since March Number 7 If you… Read more »

Gezzah Potts
Gezzah Potts
Sep 24, 2020 2:04 AM
Reply to  tonyopmoc

Thank you Tony…. and you’re spot on, we have to fight back with our humanity – what it truly means to be a living, loving, empathetic, social, human being. Because this agenda is wickedly and profoundly anti human. I bought the NME for about 25 years while I was still in New Zealand and then here in Australia. That was my bible! Reading up on all the gigs at all those iconic venues. Even that’s now gone, and I note quite a few of the NME’s former journalists reside at rags like The Guardian. Thousands of businesses here in Melbourne are gone for good, especially in hospitality. In the next suburb to me alone, 3 hotels have closed for good. Same with a lot of cafes and restaurants. Those pub rules are absolutely bonkers by the way. Madness rules, but we have to hold onto our essence, our spirit. Im… Read more »

Margaret
Margaret
Sep 26, 2020 3:28 PM
Reply to  Gezzah Potts

Hi Gezzah there you are. I was worrying about you because I haven’t seen your writings for a while, and wondered if the establishment had got hold of you, for I know they are stamping on everyone that doesn’t fit the bill in Australia.
Stay strong and keep fighting.
Cheers, Maggie x

Gezzah Potts
Gezzah Potts
Sep 26, 2020 3:58 PM
Reply to  Margaret

Hi Maggie… appreciate your thoughts, and am still here, tho every now and again need to take a break for a week or so. I haven’t seen any comments from you for ages either. Hope things are okay with you, and you’re keeping well. Quite a lot of new names here as you would’ve noticed, especially in the last 3-4 months. Things in Victoria have been really bad, and the cops have been like Gestapo thugs, lots of people arrested just for not wearing a facemask, curfews, Melbourne is sealed off with 17 checkpoints all round the perimeter of the city, and every vehicle is stopped, and police are also on trains leaving Melbourne, checking where passengers are going. Yet other parts of Australia – like South Australia or Tasmania, things are virtually normal, like how they were a year ago. Been watching a live stream of the protest at… Read more »

Margaret
Margaret
Sep 26, 2020 8:55 PM
Reply to  Gezzah Potts

Hey again G, The contributors appear to have changed massively, and I can’t get my head around it. They seem to be trying to outdo one another with their verbiage, which in the end means nothing to me and goes over my head? I read about the problems in Victoria and Melbourne and was pretty appalled. I cannot for the life of me see how the New World Order has progressed so quickly.. We are well on the way now.. They talked about bringing the six rule in on the 12th September, and stopped all comments on MSM articles on the same day???. Six days prior to the first protest???? I stopped watching any TV when the Covid Pantomime began. I researched MI6 assett Dominic Cummings, Bill Gates and the WHO and am satisfied that they are all evil, bent criminals. I thoroughly researched the ‘plandemic’ and watched what the… Read more »

Gezzah Potts
Gezzah Potts
Sep 27, 2020 8:44 AM
Reply to  Margaret

Hi Maggie… really sorry to hear about your medical issues. You’ve obviously been through a really rough time. Appreciate those links as well, and as you say, there are ethical, moral medical people out there contradicting the bollocks in the MSM and the Govt, like Rashid Buttar, Judy Mikovits, Dolores Cahill, Dan Ericsson, et al. I watched the excellent Plandemic documentary a while ago. And I’m glad you’re teaching your grandson critical thinking coz a lot of adults have lost all capacity for critical or rational thinking! Here in Melbourne, the vast majority have fully complied without even blinking and then attacked anyone opposed to the draconian measures! Stockholm Syndrome on steroids here. They are on their knees begging for their own enslavement which I find really hard to deal with. It’s depressing. They have willingly given up their freedoms and civil liberties for a sense of ‘keeping safe’. It… Read more »

Jellic
Jellic
Sep 23, 2020 10:22 PM

I’m very surprised you claim this chap as one of your own, I have not read any article here in the past few months that looked anything like ‘How Washington “Liberates” Free Countries’ by Andre Vltchek, from January, it seems like you guys may have had a change of ‘management‘ over the past few months.

Fish & Chips
Fish & Chips
Sep 24, 2020 5:29 AM
Reply to  Jellic

OffG has definitely changed as you highlight re Vltchek. It’s also poor form that they don’t put up any of Craig Murray’s outstanding court reporting from the Assange trial.

Kate
Kate
Sep 24, 2020 8:41 AM
Reply to  Fish & Chips

I’d like to hear from Admin on this point as Craig Murray makes it clear on his reporting of the Assange hearing that anyone can republish his work.

Jogging
Jogging
Sep 24, 2020 3:08 PM
Reply to  Kate

You may be asking GCHQ to respond to you now, I think they are in control here now.

Arby
Arby
Sep 24, 2020 2:11 PM
Reply to  Fish & Chips

As soon as I commented on Craig’s website, asking him whether he believes that there’s a pandemic, I was unceremoniously shooed away. The betrayals pile up.

Margaret
Margaret
Sep 28, 2020 5:20 PM
Reply to  Arby

Shooed away from where Arby… That doesn’t make any sense?

Arby
Arby
Sep 28, 2020 5:51 PM
Reply to  Margaret

I was directed to some sort of forum that was lifeless. I forget exactly what happened but it may have been the case that I didn’t even voluntarily go to the forum. I was just shifted into it with the message, more or less, that I was off topic. I hadn’t seen the cold forum I was sent to before. ‘That’ didn’t make any sense. But it happened.

Margaret
Margaret
Sep 28, 2020 5:19 PM
Reply to  Fish & Chips

https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2020/09/your-man-in-the-public-gallery-assange-hearing-day-10/

There you are F&C and Kate.. a simple click of a button and you have the information to hand.
No need for approval from OffG. That is what OffG stands for, freedom of speech and expression….

Sam - Admin2
Admin
Sam - Admin2
Sep 24, 2020 4:00 PM
Reply to  Jellic

I think the argument that the world has changed around us, rather than that we’ve changed in any particular way, is a fair one. I can assure you, whether you put any store in my opinion or not, there has been zero change of ‘management’ here. Thanks, A2

Francesca
Francesca
Sep 24, 2020 8:34 PM
Reply to  Jellic

I used to visit this site for its wide ranging commentary after I got kicked off the Guardian comment section (when they had one)
But now its become almost totally obsessed with Covid 19 and I really can’t be bothered .
I was hoping there’d be something more about Navalny or Assange but its wall to wall nutcases now, and stupid arguments between commenters
What a waste!

Jane in France
Jane in France
Sep 24, 2020 10:12 PM
Reply to  Francesca

Craig Murray is good on the subject of Assange. Moon of Alabama has resumed normal service and is good on Navalny. But I think it is impossible not to obsess about covid at the moment when it is disrupting life as we know it.

Margaret
Margaret
Sep 26, 2020 9:00 PM
Reply to  Jane in France

Jane, You can just ignore it.. and get on with your life. It is a vile hoax designed to control the sheep.
Covid is nothing more than flu.. full stop! And it does kill old vulnerable people with compromised immunities like me… but I’m still here, and grateful for every precious moment I have with my family and friends. Flatly refuse to take part in their game .

Charlotte Russe
Charlotte Russe
Sep 23, 2020 9:55 PM

Surprising, that mainstream media news didn’t say Vltchek died from Novichok……..

George Mc
George Mc
Sep 23, 2020 10:54 PM

or COVID.

Fish & Chips
Fish & Chips
Sep 24, 2020 5:30 AM

You surely mean Portonchok

Margaret
Margaret
Sep 26, 2020 9:49 PM
Reply to  Fish & Chips

No Fish and Chips, Novichuckle… though it was created in Porton Down which is run by the CIA. But they got the quantities wrong??? Typical. Sounds like a bungling Boris cock up… One of the scientists who was involved in developing the nerve agent which the UK referred to as “Novichok” – Vladimir Uglev, formerly a scientist with Volsk branch of GOSNIIOKHT (“State Scientific-Research Institute for Organic Chemistry and Technology”), which developed and tested production of new lethal substances since 1972, spoke for the first time about his work as early as the 1990s. He left the institute in 1994 and is now retired – In order to make it easier to understand the subject matter, I will not use the name “Novichok” which is now commonly used by everyone to describe those four substances which were conditionally assigned to me to develop over a period of several years. Three of these… Read more »

Rhys Jaggar
Rhys Jaggar
Sep 24, 2020 8:27 AM

Whilst authorities are treating his death as ‘suspicious’, he had ongoing conditions which may ultimately be shown to be linked to his death….

Gin
Gin
Sep 24, 2020 8:43 AM

Andre was diabetic, and there was insulin involved, same as how the actor Navalny’s scenario began.. Only later, when the German military became involved, did ‘novichok’ rear its ugly head.. The storyline takes time to develop..

Sally
Sally
Sep 23, 2020 9:49 PM
paul_m
paul_m
Sep 23, 2020 9:21 PM

ramin mazaheri spoke with andre’s wife who told him he died peacefully in his sleep.apparently having had problems with diabetes.he is irreplaceable.

messenger charles
messenger charles
Sep 23, 2020 9:09 PM

If they are treating his death as suspicious, who had he upset the most? I had never heard of him. Strange that a socialist should be assassinated in our Commie world.

Mr Y
Mr Y
Sep 23, 2020 9:53 PM

“Strange that a socialist should be assassinated in our Commie world.”

What?!

messenger charles
messenger charles
Sep 23, 2020 10:32 PM
Reply to  Mr Y

Do you actually believe there are any powerful right wing governed nations in existence today – apart from Turkey? If so, feel free to name them. I enjoy a good laugh before bed time.

George Mc
George Mc
Sep 23, 2020 10:55 PM

I enjoy a good laugh before bed time.

Just read your own posts.

messenger charles
messenger charles
Sep 24, 2020 8:14 AM
Reply to  George Mc

Try making an argument.

George Mc
George Mc
Sep 24, 2020 9:08 AM

Why? You didn’t.

messenger charles
messenger charles
Sep 24, 2020 11:43 AM
Reply to  George Mc

I asked a question that you obviously couldn’t answer. Far better than any argument.

George Mc
George Mc
Sep 24, 2020 12:25 PM

Governments are there to maintain and protect the capitalist system. “Free” Western populations get to vote for puppets funded by the capitalists. Anyone who offers a serious threat to this will be dealt with through propagandist destruction. If that doesn’t suffice then a few little mishaps will be arranged. Utimately a convenient “lone nut” will oblige.

messenger charles
messenger charles
Sep 24, 2020 1:24 PM
Reply to  George Mc

“The establishment of a central bank is 90% of communising a nation.” – V. I. Lenin

George Mc
George Mc
Sep 24, 2020 1:54 PM

Which is happening here anyway. So if you want to redefine “communism” as “capitalism” then go ahead.

messenger charles
messenger charles
Sep 24, 2020 2:27 PM
Reply to  George Mc

No redefinition is required, Communism and Capitalism have always gone hand in hand.

Here are the top six Planks of The Communist Manifesto:
1) A Private Central Bank
2) A Graduated Income Tax
3) A State Conditioning (Education) System
4) A State Health Care (Disease Management) System
5) A State Welfare System
6) Abolition of privately owned property.

George Mc
George Mc
Sep 24, 2020 3:29 PM

Point 6 negates capitalism.

messenger charles
messenger charles
Sep 24, 2020 3:35 PM
Reply to  George Mc

Not if you con people into thinking that they own property when they don’t.

Margaret
Margaret
Sep 26, 2020 9:53 PM
Reply to  George Mc

Please George,
Don’t feed the TROLL.

messenger charles
messenger charles
Sep 24, 2020 2:05 PM
Reply to  George Mc

What makes you think Capitalism is right wing?

George Mc
George Mc
Sep 24, 2020 3:28 PM

I don’t.

messenger charles
messenger charles
Sep 24, 2020 3:33 PM
Reply to  George Mc

Glad to hear it.

Fish & Chips
Fish & Chips
Sep 24, 2020 5:32 AM

The United States of America

messenger charles
messenger charles
Sep 24, 2020 8:06 AM
Reply to  Fish & Chips

“Democrats (Neo-liberals) are Stalinists and Republicans (Neo-Cons) are Trotskyists”

— Eustace Mullins

messenger charles
messenger charles
Sep 24, 2020 8:28 AM

Oh I forgot – and ISRAEL!

Margaret
Margaret
Sep 26, 2020 9:55 PM

There we go… it is a Hasbara TROLL.

messenger charles
messenger charles
Sep 27, 2020 6:26 PM
Reply to  Margaret

Please engage your brain before commenting.

Gin
Gin
Sep 24, 2020 8:51 AM

Approximately 170; not all of them powerful, by any means..

messenger charles
messenger charles
Sep 24, 2020 11:44 AM
Reply to  Gin

Give me one example.

Tom Welsh
Tom Welsh
Sep 24, 2020 3:25 PM

The terms “right wing” and “left wing” date from the 18th century, and retained some meaning until about 50 years ago.

Today their only purpose is to confuse and distract gullible people.

messenger charles
messenger charles
Sep 24, 2020 3:32 PM
Reply to  Tom Welsh

Confusing only in as much that the right never existed.

Steven Augustine
Steven Augustine
Sep 24, 2020 8:05 PM

“Confusing only in as much that the right never existed.” MARVELOUSLY preposterous bullshit! Do you think (e.g.) The Klan were (are) a LEFT WING phenomenon? Do you think Curtis LeMay was a LEFT WING general, or Spiro T. Agnew a LEFT-WING politician along with the famously “LEFT WING” Ronald Reagan? Do you think Michael Parenti and Joan Baez and Mario Savio were/are RIGHT WINGERS? Laugh. You’re totally forgiven if you are an under-40 who has never had contact with a genuinely Left Wing person and is therefore easily duped by Right Wingers adopting “progressive causes” (the trans movement, “global warming,” Veganism et al) to Trojan Horse long-game Right Wing goals but… okay. Time to catch up with this shit. The Enemy is subtle and slippery and very VERY good at lying. This isn’t a schoolyard… these Lies have huge budgets and Think Tank strategies to support them. Thinking like gullibly… Read more »

Messenger Charles
Messenger Charles
Sep 25, 2020 6:52 PM

When were the Klan ever in power?

Now you dwell on this:
“When we get ready to take the United States, we will not take it under the labels of Communism; we will not take it under the label of Socialism. These labels are unpleasant to the American people, and have been speared too much. We will take the United States under labels we have made very lovable; we will take it under liberalism, under progressivism, under democracy. But, take it, we will.”

— The Jew, Alexander Trachtenberg (1885-1966) at the National Convention of Communist Parties, Madison Square Garden, 1944

And this:
“Democrats (Neo-liberals) are Stalinists and Republicans (Neo-Cons) are Trotskyists”

— Eustace Mullins

Then have a look at this – your current Trotskyist President giving the Commie clenched fist salute:
https://www.minds.com/media/916279490070208512

Steven Augustine
Steven Augustine
Sep 25, 2020 8:25 PM

(I’m going to play along, although I’m beginning to suspect you’re on the Sunstein Squad)

When were the Klan ever in power?”

I’m glad you asked that question, Sir!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ku_Klux_Klan_members_in_United_States_politics

messenger charles
messenger charles
Sep 26, 2020 6:28 PM

And they held a majority? Your non-argument is a joke.

Steven Augustine
Steven Augustine
Sep 26, 2020 7:09 PM

Okay then! Next…? May I please argue with a Flat Earther now…?

messenger charles
messenger charles
Sep 27, 2020 6:14 PM

Clear off and find one and while you’re at it try and find an argument.

Margaret
Margaret
Sep 26, 2020 9:59 PM

Ahhh.. the penny drops?
It is a TROLL you are engaging with.

messenger charles
messenger charles
Sep 27, 2020 6:16 PM
Reply to  Margaret

Ah, the troll ad hominem, sure sign of another loser with no argument.

Steven Augustine
Steven Augustine
Sep 24, 2020 7:53 PM
Reply to  Tom Welsh

Well, ignore the semantics and all the super-slick mindgames practised by obvious Right Wing Moles like The Clintons (and Fidel… drum roll… Castro! Laugh! Maybe I went too far this time) and focus on the primal definitions: The Right Wing are pro-war and pro-slavery and the Left Wing are the opposite. No matter how many games they play (like using smiling people of color as the hood ornaments on their Global Death Juggernauts), the Right Wing are obvious… and obviously running every nation on Earth. As they have been for centuries. The Left are a noble micro-minority; we are Mutants. Don’t allow TFIC to blur the issue for you!

“The beginning of wisdom,” said Confucius, “is to call things by their proper name.”

Margaret
Margaret
Sep 26, 2020 9:57 PM
Reply to  Tom Welsh

And you fell for it Tom…. It is typical TROLL distraction… Please stop feeding it.

Margaret
Margaret
Sep 26, 2020 9:52 PM

Messenger TROLL ALERT!!!!

messenger charles
messenger charles
Sep 27, 2020 6:19 PM
Reply to  Margaret

Get an education and come back in five years.

DONNIE
DONNIE
Sep 23, 2020 11:09 PM
Reply to  Mr Y

he says he lives in his commie world

messenger charles
messenger charles
Sep 24, 2020 8:12 AM
Reply to  DONNIE

Our Commie world, not my Commie world.

George Mc
George Mc
Sep 24, 2020 12:26 PM

“Our” Commie world? Watch out! That’s a bit collectivist!

messenger charles
messenger charles
Sep 24, 2020 1:23 PM
Reply to  George Mc

That’s the accursed world I am forced to live in. I know it, you don’t, but instead either live in denial or in your delusions.

George Mc
George Mc
Sep 24, 2020 3:30 PM

Damn straight! Imagine having to share a world with other people!

messenger charles
messenger charles
Sep 24, 2020 4:11 PM
Reply to  George Mc

In a Communist world the people have a share in nothing.

George Mc
George Mc
Sep 24, 2020 8:37 PM

So no change there then.

Messenger Charles
Messenger Charles
Sep 25, 2020 6:54 PM
Reply to  George Mc

Don’t follow.

George Mc
George Mc
Sep 25, 2020 7:36 PM

I mean we don’t have a share in anything here either. Granted we have enjoyed a period of affluence caused by our fortunate (and never to be repeated) post WW2 circumstances. But that is at an end now.

Messenger Charles
Messenger Charles
Sep 25, 2020 8:10 PM
Reply to  George Mc

I agree in part. The the post WW2 ‘affluence’ you refer to was just the crumbs from the Rothschild’s bankster tables. We have been unceremoniously fleeced through usury, taxation, inflation, deliberate depressions, credit crunches and austerity bullshit, for hundreds of years. The worst years being those from WW1 onwards until today.

messenger charles
messenger charles
Sep 24, 2020 2:06 PM
Reply to  George Mc

The world I am forced to live in.

Arby
Arby
Sep 24, 2020 2:14 PM
Reply to  Mr Y

They never go away those people. They see communists were there are none and capitalists where you’ve got socialists (since State capitalism is socialism for the rich and powerful). Why they persist, I don’t know. They’re just annoying. I guess the objective is to distract and cause people, l like me, to waste time responding to them.

Joe
Joe
Sep 23, 2020 10:18 PM

Never heard of him? Haven’t been reading OG, have you?

messenger charles
messenger charles
Sep 23, 2020 10:33 PM
Reply to  Joe

No, only recently discovered it.

Sam
Sam
Sep 24, 2020 3:46 AM

Me too. Funny thing though, there’s a search bar at the top. Just put in Andre Vltchek and you’ll find 100’s of his articles

messenger charles
messenger charles
Sep 24, 2020 8:11 AM
Reply to  Sam

If you have never heard of someone, why would you search for him? Had I heard of him and known that he was a socialist I would have ignored him anyway. Socialists are just Commies in drag.

DONNIE
DONNIE
Sep 23, 2020 11:13 PM

I take that “commie” stands for “communist”. Are you saying that all the world countries are communist countries run by communists? (Except of course Turkey, in your world.) Would you also claim that the current covid 1984 scam is being run by communists? Would you care to name the most prominent communists behind the coroni hoax? What are your thoughts on jewish bolsheviks? Are they also involved? Thank you

messenger charles
messenger charles
Sep 24, 2020 8:21 AM
Reply to  DONNIE

“Democracy is indispensable to Socialism.” – V. I. Lenin

“Socialism leads to Communism.” – Karl Marx

“The establishment of a central bank is 90% of communising a nation.” – V. I. Lenin

Victor G.
Victor G.
Sep 24, 2020 12:42 PM

We needed a new troll here on OG. Welcome. You’ll be ignored soon enough and leave.
There are innumerable articles here where you can troll. Leave Andre alone, you couldn’t tie his shoes.

messenger charles
messenger charles
Sep 24, 2020 1:27 PM
Reply to  Victor G.

Since when was The Truth trolling? Looks like you have an aversion to it.

messenger charles
messenger charles
Sep 24, 2020 2:07 PM
Reply to  Victor G.

Since when has The Truth been trolling? And being ignored by you I will consider a blessing.

Abu aisha
Abu aisha
Sep 24, 2020 3:47 PM

You are a fucking troll. Kindly fuck off. A great journalist has passed away and your input is insisting on how tiny your penis is. Limp dick motherfucker.

messenger charles
messenger charles
Sep 24, 2020 3:59 PM
Reply to  Abu aisha

I am entitled to my opinions just the same as you, I have no time for socialists whether they are good journalists or not.

messenger charles
messenger charles
Sep 24, 2020 4:08 PM
Reply to  Abu aisha

How very impolite you are. Where are the moderators when you need them?

Abu aisha
Abu aisha
Sep 24, 2020 3:41 PM

the fuck is this one on about?

messenger charles
messenger charles
Sep 24, 2020 3:44 PM
Reply to  Abu aisha

What is it that you would like to know? And there was I thinking how very straight forward it all is. Was it too complicated for you?

tonyopmoc
tonyopmoc
Sep 23, 2020 8:49 PM

Some of the things he wrote, really annoyed me. It was like he at sometimes was verbally attacking all the different cultures he came from, but I always had massive respect for him, even when I didn’t agree with him – in fact possibly more respect for him, when I didn’t agree with him cos he was educating me, about things I didn’t know. He had been there I hadn’t. I would have loved to have met him MASSIVE LOSS I was gutted, when I heard about his Death yesterday. He travelled All Over The World, to some of the most dangerous places any man could go – just with his camera, his mind and his writing pad, and he expressed himself so brilliantly, and never had need or wish to carry a gun. The people he met, instantly loved him, because he talked to them, and asked them about… Read more »

John Ervin
John Ervin
Sep 23, 2020 8:53 PM
Reply to  tonyopmoc

Thanks. You found the words for a lot of my feelings for him. He lit things up.

Loverat
Loverat
Sep 23, 2020 10:07 PM
Reply to  tonyopmoc

Tony

Good sum up. Personally I liked all his work from all over the world.

His articles usually had a strong message as well as the reporting. I remember his reporting from Beirut not long ago. You could sense being there.

This is a shock especially with everything else going on. I wondered about his death – Turkey seems to be quite a dangerous place for journalists and seemingly a spate of incidents involving those with connections to Syria. But sense you are right.

tonyopmoc
tonyopmoc
Sep 24, 2020 12:05 AM
Reply to  Loverat

I have spent some time in Turkey as a tourist with my wife and daughter No way Turkish People would kill him. They simply are not like that. Turkey is safer than England, even if you are English. The Americans – well I don’t know. Hardly ever come across any Americans as tourists anywhere since 9/11..Certainly not in Turkey or even The Greek Islands, except for a couple of hours excursion from their Big Cruise Ship with lots of very old rich people a few of which got off in Mykonos, cos they were bored shitless, and wanted to go back home to say they had “Done Europe” It has been extremely rare to see many of them in London either. 9/11 blew their heads off. Too dangerous to travel I just wish they would stay there, and not come back with their war machines etc. They are not appreciated.… Read more »

Paul Vonharnish
Paul Vonharnish
Sep 24, 2020 2:23 AM
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