Britannic Impunity: The UK Overseas Operations Bill
Binoy Kampmark
It was praised by Michael Clarke, former Director-General of the Royal United Services Institute, as “clear and entirely laudable” – at least up to a point.
The UK Overseas Operations (Service Personnel and Veterans) Bill would “give [British] troops serving overseas much-needed extra protection against fraudulent or frivolous claims against them of criminal behaviour.” It was also part of a commitment made by the Conservatives that British personnel would be padded with more legal protection against the nasty designs of future litigants.
Veterans minister Johnny Mercer had his lines in order, and they were not particularly convincing.
This legislation is not about providing an amnesty or putting troops above the law but protecting them from lawyers intent on rewriting history to line their own pockets.”
For Mercer, Britannia is exceptional, a cut above the rest, suggesting, in the lingering wisdom of British imperialism, that they are just a bit more exceptional in hypocrisy than others.
The Ministry of Defence has been feathering grounds for such changes arguing that unnecessary claims have been made against its personnel. They include compensation claims for unlawful detention regarding operations in Afghanistan and Iraq. To this can be added 1,400 judicial review claims for investigations and compensations on the basis that human rights have been violated. Of these, 70 percent assessed by the Iraq Historic Allegations Team were dismissed as having no case to answer.
Instances such as those of solicitor Phil Shiner are cited, that ever zealous creature who was found guilty on five counts of dishonesty by the Solicitor’s Disciplinary Tribunal in February 2017 for tampering with evidence submitted to the Al-Sweady inquiry into allegations of atrocities in Iraq. Shiner was accused of showing a “clear disregard for the rules” in terms of his actions, having circulated “deliberate and calculated lies” regarding alleged atrocities by British soldiers after the commencement of the Iraq War.
The Bill has a particularly odious provision that serves to impose a five year time limit on prosecuting crimes that span offences committed by UK personnel while serving in overseas theatres, including a whole range of reprehensible offences, potentially including genocide, crimes against humanity and war crimes. Operations “dealing with terrorism” and peacekeeping endeavours will also be covered.
What is being proposed is, in effect, a statute of limitations on grave criminality, a presumption against prosecution. Out with such solemn declarations that genocide is so reprehensible a crime as to defy time itself. In with more practical, paperwork limitations shielding abuses from legal review.
This would be part of what is described as a “triple lock” against unwanted suits against UK military personnel, the two other features involving a range of considerations prosecutors would have to give “particular weight to” against pursuing a case, and a requirement to obtain the consent of the Attorney General, or Advocate General in Northern Ireland, before commencing any prosecution. The Bill would also impose a duty on the government to consider derogating from the European Convention on Human Rights regarding significant overseas military operations.
To round it all off, Part II of the Bill also adds a time bar on civil claims against the Ministry of Defence by both survivors of torture and UK soldiers themselves who might have a grievance with their employer. Claimants will also be barred by the time limit despite being unlawfully detained or impeded in bringing forth their actions.
Should it become law, the Bill will jar with obligations arising under the Geneva Conventions. The Additional Protocol 1 of 1977 is a stand out on that score. A range of other international legal instruments also risk being breached, including the Convention Against Torture. As the legal action charity Reprieve argues in its submission to parliament on the Bill:
This risks effectively decriminalising torture when committed by UK forces overseas more than five years ago.”
The organisation even notes that the proposed law would run counter to a 300 year old tradition stretching back to the Long Parliament’s Abolition of the Star Chamber in 1640.
The legal establishment is also concerned. In the sober words of the Law Society:
the proposal to introduce a presumption against prosecution amounts to a quasi-statute of limitations. Introducing a time limit risks creating impunity for serious crimes and the proposal would be an exception to the normal law for a category of criminal matters that does not exist anywhere else.”
Another submission on the Bill, written by Samuel Beswick of the University of British Columbia, points to a potential violation of the Equality Principle found deep in the immemorial foundations of UK constitutional law, spectral as it is:
that everyone is equally subjected to the ordinary law of the land: that the Crown and government officers do not benefit from more favourable rules than apply to the British people generally.”
Such concerns have not been the preserve of legal bleeding hearts and anti-torture charities. The Judge Advocate General Jeff Blankett has also expressed deep reservations. In the middle of the year, he wrote to the Secretary of State for Defence noting “significant misgivings” about a bill “ill-conceived” and dangerous in potentially bringing “the UK armed forces into disrepute”.
As for David Greene, vice president of the Law Society, something more flame-on-the-hill was at stake, and he had little desire for snuffing it out.
Our armed forces are rightly known across the world for their courage and discipline. Proposals to prevent the prosecution of alleged serious offences – including murder and torture – by service personnel outside the UK would undermine this well-deserved reputation and could break international law.”
The Bill is a classic, long overdue unmasking of the impunity that is British military power. More than a Freudian slip, it is an elucidating admission. In praising the standards of British military professionalism, Greene ignores the country’s thin record in prosecuting its own nationals for crimes committed in foreign theatres.
Clive Baldwin, Senior Legal Adviser to Human Rights Watch, points to the butcher of Amritsar Brigadier-General Reginald Dyer as a case in point. The killing of hundreds of unarmed men, women and children on April 13, 1919 at Jallianwala Bagh did little to even provoke an apology from the UK. The most severe rebuke Dyer faced was enforced retirement. “You might want to rewrite history, but you can’t,” sniffed the High Commissioner to India, Dominic Asquith, during commemoration proceedings held last year.
The deployment of torture in Kenya through the 1950s in response to the Mau Mau revolt against British rule barely stirred the prosecutor’s brief. In 2013, UK Foreign Secretary William Hague recognised in the Commons “that Kenyans were subject to torture and other forms of ill-treatment at the hands of the colonial administration.” Sincere regrets were offered, including £19.9m in compensation. But defiant to the last, Hague insisted that the UK had no legal responsibility for the actions of the colonial administration. Britannic contempt is deathless.
In focusing on such exceptional instances of manipulation as Shiner, the Bill is a riposte to British responsibility for more recent abuses in such theatres as Iraq. Despite public inquiries and court rulings finding British forces culpable for abusing detainees, in some cases killing them, few prosecutions have been filed.
The death of Iraqi citizen Baha Mousa in September 2003 in Basra, the result of 93 surface injuries, led to an inquiry and a smattering of Court Martial proceedings. It also saw the first open admission by a British soldier to committing a war crime, though Corporal Donald Payne denied manslaughter and perverting the course of justice. Six other colleagues from the 1 Queen’s Lancashire Regiment were ultimately acquitted. Payne was jailed for one year. A meagre return.
With the passage of this Bill, Prime Minister Boris Johnson’s Global Britain will abandon any pretence to Queensberry rules, or rules of any sort. The jungle is there for the taking, and other powers in the jungle will finally be able to point this out.
Clarke, sounding sorrowful, uses the standard understatement: that this Bill “opens up some intriguing possibilities for our adversaries, who love to claim international legitimacy for their blatantly illegal behaviour.” It might be a suitable epitaph for British power for long stretches it has been exercised: legitimacy claimed for blatant illegality.
Dr Binoy Kampmark was a Commonwealth Scholar at Selwyn College, Cambridge. He lectures at RMIT University, Melbourne. Email: [email protected]
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Hello,
I had assumed your long screeds were part of a targeted attempt taking place recently to flood our comments section with long, off-topic posts.
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I have asked you to post URL links to longer texts, and I will remove multiple posts of long extracts. I have been clear about this. I have also been clear I am not censoring your content.
Not to mention, your multiple long posts are almost universally off topic.
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I will remove antisemitic posts, or posts which use denigrating racial slurs or terms that racially profile. I have no problem with the term ‘Zionists’, for instance, but I will remove anything referring simply to ‘the Jews’, as if all Jewish people are united by a single cause simply by virtue of being Jewish. This is viewed as distasteful by many (including myself) and it opens a floodgate for racism. A cut off needs to happen somewhere to avoid OffG BTL becoming just another 8chan, thus completely undermining the hard work of everyone here. Therefore we make this cut off as generous as possible to allow the freest forum for debate without shooting ourselves in the foot.
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So Jews are not united. But whites, Blacks, Chinese, Indians, etc.are. And Jews need a special adjective to protect them. Got it.
You’re attempting to be facetious by putting words in my mouth but stepping on your own point. Suggesting that “whites, Blacks, Chinese, Indians, etc” are somehow united by virtue of their race is pretty racist. I used Jews as an example since they, sadly, can be a common focus of racism. Please let this message serve as clarification, as if clarification was needed. You don’t have to understand, please just abide by the rules. Thanks, A2
It’s not about protecting the heinous criminality of Our Hero’s who obeyed orders – it is about protecting the order givers. The fucking old martial family types who have had a soldier or sailor in their family for generations type!
They don’t care what happens to the canon fodder grunts. Never have.
It goes with what is happening with the Hard BrexShit that oh-Gee seems to push.
‘Brexit strategy risks UK ‘dictatorship’, says ex-president of supreme court
Lord Neuberger condemns internal market bill for exempting some of its powers from legal challenge
Legal affairs correspondent
@owenbowcott
Wed 7 Oct 2020 22.49 BST
Last modified on Wed 7 Oct 2020 23.09 BST
The government’s Brexit strategy is in danger of driving the UK down a “very slippery slope” towards “dictatorship” or “tyranny”, according to a former president of the supreme court.
Addressing an online meeting of lawyers, Lord Neuberger on Wednesday evening condemned the internal market bill, which enables the government to breach international law and exempts some of its powers from legal challenge.
“Once you deprive people of the right to go to court to challenge the government, you are in a dictatorship, you are in a tyranny,”
Illegality, exceptionalism, unilateralism, refusal time play on a level playing field of International Law and transparency and pay taxes where they ought to.
That is the perfidious English way at the behest of their Ancient Financier Masters.
And their owned full spectrum media narrative channels.
I can’t see what all the fuss is about.
After all, Bombing Brown People and Torturing Brown Folks is good for them.
Everybody knows we only do it because we care about them so much, and want to bring them freedom and democracy and human rights and toilets for trannies and drag queen story hour. These impudent natives should be jolly grateful that we put ourselves to all this trouble on their behalf. You just can’t please some people.
What’s a bit of torture, for heaven’s sake?
Some people just don’t have a sense of humour.
Come on, they’re very diverse and equal opportunity in their targets. Were the Germans brown? Who knows ,the Russians may be next,not a lot of colour over there.
I doubt this Bill is aimed at protecting British squaddies – more likely to enable corporate profit through the pain of corrupt interventions such as Syria.
How convenient to absolve future crimes.
Two major corporations, SERCO and Qintetiq have ties to the monarchy, UK defense and are implicated in the profiteering from operation Covid19.
SERCO runs the Queen’s imperial atomic weapons systems (Atomic Weapons Establishment) around the world in tandem with Lockheed Martin.
SERCO manages air traffic towers in the in the US, Canada and Arab Emirates. SERCO controlled airports in Iraq during the US invasion and occupation.
They’ve been involved in drug smuggling, overcharging governments, falsifying billing, mismanaging vital patient information, sexual abuse and other atrocities at their immigration and detention camps. They’re impervious to FOI requests due to “commercial confidentiality”. Consequently, much of their inner workings and misdeeds are unknown.
RUPERT C. SOAMES, CEO of Serco Group is listed in Jeffrey Epstein’s “pedophile island” black book.
In total, SERCO has been awarded almost $10 billion in contracts from the U.S. Patent Office, FEMA, OMB, Navy SPAWAR, OPM, State Department, DoD, Army, Navy, FAA, FEC, etc.
SERCO is contracted with the FEMA camp operations until 2023 for more than US$600m.
Trump has announced the military will be involved in the distribution of the covid vaccines. American soldiers have been videotaped recently training to arrest civilians. However, American soldiers will not participate in the torture, vax-execution or other crimes such as organ harvesting, so those tasks will be left up to foreign agents such as UK or UN soldiers, mercenary “contractors”.
More about SERCO from 21st century newswire:
“As politicians asset-strip the public’s portfolio of properties, infrastructure and services, one multinational corporation has grown as a result.
While governments are busy outsourcing public-sector services like health, education, police, prisons, money delivery and military – to the esteemed private sector. It’s sold to the public as a solution to avoiding higher taxes, while retaining better services. But it’s simply an accountancy shell game, where the government kicks the can down the road by spreading the bill to the taxpayer over a longer period of time, in order to avoid any large upfront payments – all the while, allowing a private corporation to extend its influence over society.
This, by definition, is fascism.
They are called SERCO, and they run countries…”
In Australia, “Serco run navy patrol boats for the ADF, search and salvage operations through their partnership with P&O which form Maritime Defence Services.”
Serco run two Australian prisons and control all seven immigration detention centers.
In the UK, SERCO control and run the “electronic tagging of offenders under house arrest or parole.” among other things. They’re involved in running prisons, immigration and border services, hospitals, trains, pathology labs, parking, waste management, defense technologies, satellites and space-based weaponry.
In the UK, the government has been asked to justify a £108m contact-tracing deal with Serco. Recently, profits for SERCO surged with shares rising 18%. The glaring conflict of interests have yet to cause outrage.
Contract tracing has it’s roots in terrorism and crime surveillance, “conveniently” repurposed for biosecurity. It will be used to round up dissidents, dissenters, vaccine skeptics, healthy unmasked citizens, anyone who tests positive from a fraudulent test. Contact tracing will ultimately be used to separate family members and force vaccinate.
SERCO were implicated in 9-11 through their control of air towers and their power over the FAA. Major Shareholders of SERCO include UBS and Blackrock.
The Queen’s military-industrial QinetiQ Group Plc (adjacent to The Pirbright Institute) was founded in Nov. 11, 2002 by:
62% UK Ministry of Defence (MOD) — UK
34% The Carlyle Group — US
4% QinetiQ employees
Note: On Nov. 08, 2002—3 days earlier, SERCO Plc bought SI International, Inc. and changed SI International’s name to SERCO, Inc. which had already been being awards massive contracts with the U.S. Patent Office, FEMA, OMB, Navy SPAWAR, OPM, State Department, DoD, Army, Navy, FAA, FEC, etc.
QinetiQ has received over $8.5 billion U.S. federal contracts.
Coincidentally, Pirbright are the original patent holders for the Coronavirus and in 2004, “QinetiQ ostensibly sold the satellite teleport on the 174-acre MOD Pirbright property to Cobbett Hill Earthstation Limited.”
As of July 15, 2020, “U.K.-based defense technology company QinetiQ has signed a special security agreement with the Defense Counterintelligence and Security Agency to combine all of its defense and security operations in the U.S. under a single entity that will operate as QinetiQ Inc.”
In the US, QinetiQ Inc., operates out of Virginia, Pennsylvania and Massachusetts. The US subsidiary is focused on “delivering robotics, autonomy and sensor capabilities and support services to clients in the defense market.”
“Qinetiq North America has announced an award from the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) on a contract option worth up to $15.6m (£9.6m) to provide asset-tracking services.”
From Qinetiq’s own website: “Electrical weapons, vehicles and situational awareness technologies will enable forces to operate swiftly, stealthily and at stand-off distances.”
With regards to EMP which is being increasingly mentioned in the media as of late, Qinetiq claim “terrorist groups could create an EMP device with an impact similar to a nuclear bomb which at the speed of light could wipe out infrastructure for hundreds of miles and leave no trace.”
Are they warning us ahead of time of a potential operation?
As far as 5g and space warfare are concerned in Europe, QinetiQ are in charge of 5g operations, liaison with telecoms and security in the U.K.
“QinetiQ’s space business secures new ESA contract as new facility goes live 21/11/2019 Continuing to consolidate its position as of one of Europe’s leading space systems integrators, QinetiQ’s space business has formally opened new state-of-the-art cleanroom facilities and secured a new three-year contract with the European Space Agency (ESA)”
In Canada, QinetiQ were awarded a contract worth C$51m to deliver unmanned aircraft systems (UAS) for the Canadian Armed Forces.
Everything SERCO and QinetiQ do comes back to controls and measures that have begun implemented using the pretext of this Covid operation.
That’s why this bill was written. For the crimes yet to materialize but on the horizon. Legislation prepared ahead of time to guarantee immunity from prosecution for foreknowledge of crimes.
What a bunch of thugs! Thank you Researcher, for providing this information. My hope is that our collapsing economies/societies will increasingly experience all sorts of shortages, including shortages and disruptions in oil and energy supplies.
Without sufficient oil, powering constant, reliable energy, 5G cannot operate, nor can many digital systems upon which these criminal plans depend.
Richard Heinberg of the ‘Museletter’ says “Forget 5G, the Internet of Things, and self-driving cars. Concentrate on low tech for the most part, and use renewable energy to supply electricity for applications that are especially important.”
Gail Tverberg has written extensively about low oil production and its effects ‘Our Finite World’, and says there will be no 4th Industrial Revolution.
Renewable energies need oil to mine, transport, manufacture and maintain their energy output, which is is lower that what will be needed. This is unlikely to change and with collapsing economies their energy output will reduce further. (I’m all for renewables, by the way, but they do not supply enough power and the supply is not constant).
I have read that the US has very large storage of refined oil in underground facilities in and around Florida, but this can’t last forever.
Both futures seem desolate – a prison or a world of shortages. But I prefer the latter where, at least, you are free.
The EMP threat has been known for a long time – a century if you include solar CMEs. Defences are practically non-existent.
Many US citizens used to wonder aloud about the FEMA camps and stockpiles of hollow-point bullets. I hope they see the plan now.
To David Greene, vice president of the Law Society:
I guess what you mean is that if I break into your home and rob you of your possessions, murder your wife and rape your daughter, it’s perfectly reasonable. But only if it takes more than five years for you to be notified. Great! What’s the address?
The house neo-Nazi propaganda is flowing tonight, straight off the CIA, presses. Spamming is banned…except when its Nazi racist homophobic sexists hate of course……
How did they get past the spam filter you ask?….. They are the spam filter.
Former Trooper, TA SAS man, Ben Griffin, one of the most gagged ex soldiers can assist you in further examples I’m sure.
Dr Kampmark and the rest of the Aussie contingent constantly slagging the English governments malfeasance and crimes would be better served exposing his homelands draconian response Australia’s corrupt government has unleashed on its fellow citizens of that former penal colony.
Perhaps these morbid “authorities” and ambulance chasers should agree on a useful terminology: >
Excerpted from: Democide – Wikipedia
“Democide is a term revived and redefined by the political scientist R. J. Rummel (1932-2014) as “the murder of any person or people by their government, including genocide, politicide and mass murder“. Rummel created the term as an extended concept to include forms of government murder that are not covered by the term genocide, and it has become accepted among other scholars.[1][2][3] According to Rummel, democide surpassed war as the leading cause of non-natural death in the 20th century.[4][5]
Also: “His research shows that the death toll from democide is far greater than the death toll from war. After studying over 8,000 reports of government-caused deaths, Rummel estimates that there have been 262 million victims of democide in the last century. According to his figures, six times as many people have died from the actions of people working for governments than have died in battle.“
Complete test: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democide
Let’s all sue our highly scrubbed solders for the murderous agendas we support with our taxes and brainwashed existence. As James Burke so poignantly stated: “After all, War is stealing.”
Here is British soldiers attacking Chinese villages in 1842.
Q1. What ideology was driving British soldiers to attack Chinese peasants in 1842?
Q2. What ideology is driving the coalition of navies from Democratic countries to assemble in South China sea today?
Both Q1 and Q2: Global Hegemony. In this particular case control of the most important sea lane on the planet for petro supertankers. How about a really tough question?:-)
What is the ideology behind imposing a Global Hegemony by the Anglo-saxons?
It’s an ideology substantially more concise than Das Kapital or Mein Kampf:
The world and all its inhabitants are our slaves and exist for the benefit of our ruling elitists.
Illuminati
Martin Bormann.
Wasn’t that called Empiricism? Pragmatism? In any case, a “anything-for-a-buck” sort of ideology.
Please see my post at 11.42 today.
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The screws are being tightened: The slow ruthless, decapitating of the British economy.
It is no accident that the amount of state subsidies being offered to small businesses is being reduced in the north of England today, as the police stop them trading efficiently.
The aim of the tightening restrictions is to destroy small and medium size businesses, in order to make way for large US and domestic Corporate chains, because all coups require the cooperation of local billionaires, and it is amazing that people are sitting and watching it happen in total denial.
What we are seeing is the systematic destruction of the British economy. A total lock down would require total subsidy of business, as the left are demanding, but this partial restrictions being put in placed today, will slowly strangle every small business, wiping out what was left of their tiny profit margin.
If I were to engineer, slowly and systematically, the destruction the north of England, it would not look any different to what Johnson proposed yesterday.
this is your politics
Yes and it’s important to realise that what you have described is part of a strategy that Michael Meurer has named COVIDNOMICS and that this strategy is the true movement of the moment, like a deep current compared to which the lockdown is a surface movement and COVID itself – whether the virus is a total lie or an exaggeration – is simply the surf i.e. the excuse for the lockdown and a distraction from what is really going on.
I have never known the news services to be so utterly emptied out of all content and filled with this news polystyrene called COVID. Just as the health service has been effectively suspended by the “deadly virus”. And the annulment of news and annulment of health service are indications that the entire population are being side-lined.
The screws are being tightened: The slow ruthless, decapitating of the British economy.
It is no accident that the amount of state subsidies being offered to small businesses is being reduced in the north of England today, as the police stop them trading efficiently.
The aim of the tightening restrictions is to destroy small and medium size businesses, in order to make way for large US and domestic Corporate chains, because all coups require the cooperation of local billionaires, and it is amazing that people are sitting and watching it happen in total denial.
What we are seeing is the systematic destruction of the British economy. A total lock down would require total subsidy of business, as the left are demanding, but this partial restrictions being put in placed today, will slowly strangle every small business, wiping out what was left of their tiny profit margin.
If I were to engineer, slowly and systematically, the destruction the north of England, it would not look any different to what Johnson proposed yesterday.
Very difficult to read.
Full of wordy, yet fragmentary “sentences” such as:
What does “lingering wisdom” mean in that sentence? Is “wisdom” ironic? Is “lingering”? And is Mercer “suggesting” something, or is “Britannia” doing the suggesting, or are Mercer’s opinions suggestive of something, to the author? Who can tell, given the concatenation of disjointed clauses, each one differing in tone and seeming to search for a different subject?
Word choice is a SERIOUS issue. Lots of weird verbs shoved into sentences like monkey-wrenches. Look for “span,” “jar” and “stir” in the following, and tell me how they work:
Many sentences are multifariously baffling:
“Are cited” by whom? Supporters of the bill, detractors, or the author? This is why writers should avoid the passive voice. Then, is “Phil Shiner” an “instance,” or are we discussing “Phil Shiner’s instances?” The construction of the sentence is hopelessly ambiguous.
That is self-contradictory.
That just don’t make no sense.
I could go on, but Off-G hasn’t put me on the payroll as assistant editor yet. ~_^
They should. I’m dying to read your script, assuming if you are in LA, you have at least one ready to pitch. Will it be Hemingwayesque?
I am in LA, but so far no screenplay, just a novel that I keep telling myself I could adapt into a screenplay with a week’s turnaround time. I’d say more “Neal-Stephenson-Meets-Orwell-esque.”
Unfortunately, that project as well as the other one that has been in “pre-production” for years (as I slave away in a thankless “profession” that keeps me from being the Man of Letters I should be but for my impecuniousness) are now more-or-less obsolete. I lean toward cautionary tales, in allegory.
However, everything my tales would “caution” against have now come to pass, and are in the rear view! All those I would “caution” are slavish adherents to everything I would “caution” against! The time for cautionary tales and symbolic storytelling is, sadly, dead.
Don’t give up, most of the population are looking in the rear view mirror, not looking forward to what might happen. You will inform the post party analysis.
Start with Martin Bormann.
I find the writing here terrible, people always trying to sound clever, rather than trying to convey ideas.
Yep. Lots of wheel-spinning and rhetoric instead of action, although maybe commenters here actually do the right thing in their personal lives? I don’t know, and would be interested to hear about it and discuss what that entails. Complaining is boring.
See…. even that doesn’t make sense….. One can learn a lot from bitter, angry, sour, failed comment writers, and the best thing is it is free criticism.
You missed my point. I wonder why nobody will reveal their life-actions here? Some kind of code? The urge to be Shakespeare?
what are life-actions?
Here’s an example: I use a car. Is it OK to do so, considering a third of resources used to build it, another 3rd to fuel it, and another third to dispose of it add up considerably as to the ecosystem? These are rough estimates. Can that life-action be justified in considering the Earth? Life actions are not an abstract concern.
You forgot to factor in political propaganda into your measure of ‘action’ which distorts your whole equation. Even Michael Moore has blown the lid off that illusion, with his new film.
I’d go much further, and say that involvement in politics is illusion itself. Why does everybody here remain there? It’s like an animal tethered to a pole.
Education destroys the Illuminati.
Education is action in the world, not just words!
that really rather depends on who is educating, and what actions are being directed.
Educate yourself. No authorities. And see if you can live right
Most of it is excellent!
Knightly is a fine writer, even though I find his recent articles are far too “in-the-weeds” on statistics and epidemiology.
Curtain is great.
CJ Hopkins is a genius stylist!
The “Covidian Creed” by Ian Jenkins is a masterpiece!
Mmm. I like the tongue in cheek pieces too. The situation we find ourselves in is so absurd it defies credulity.
In the comments, the mass of verbiage is indirectly proportional to that of substance. Perhaps they think we will actually spend more time reading their words, as opposed to skimming over them.
What happened, what’s happening and what will happen can be very clearly understood by looking at the OPIUM WARS where the disadvantaged victim made to apologize and pay heavy penalties to the aggressors/invaders.
The OPIUM WARS never really ended. The episodes continue unabated, one after another, as clockwork –in one form or another. Détentes and peace accords are mere public relations exercises. What are the navies of the the world’s democracies doing on the border on China today? Promoting Democracy, perhaps?
There are two new elements at play since the Opium Wars:
1- The Israeli factor. The Israelis are capable of steering super powers to the next target to invade/loot/destroy/humiliate
2- The technological advances that allow the surveillance of every single individual on the planet, shape people’s perceptions and provide the capability to enforce/dictate the narrative of the day.
New guns, bigger bombs, new aircraft, new military uniforms but same old barbaric aggression and killings using the same old propaganda and lies.
New elements, no not exactly but I do get the sentiment:
https://wikispooks.com/wiki/Document:Hong_Kong_and_the_Sassoon_Opium_Wars
Opium traders/jew-supremacists managed to direct the British white supremacists to unleash their lethal violence towards Chinese provinces.
The loss of Hong Kong to the British was one of the consequences of British attacks. Another Consequence: 2% of the Chinese population became addicted to opium.
Remarkable!
Thank you ‘CAREFUL’ for your insightful connection of the past to contemporary events… you are most unusual and must not have had the ‘illuminating’ UK education which teaches kids about ‘Capability Brown’, landscape gardener to the aristocracy (looters) while omitting teaching anything about the Irish famine, the genocidal invasions by the English and their collaborators from the various parts of the British Isles, the massacres in India, the famines caused there… the list is so long, I would need several hours to mention all the brutality heaped on the continents of Planet Earth by the White marauders, who have never stopped posing as the most civilised.
Indeed! and all the crimes committed, all this violence and brutality is carried with impunity, every time! Will that ever stop?
Thank you Yasmin for making your observation clear. The world need people like yourself. The iPhone generation is being shaped as if history didn’t exist.
presumably marauders of colour are acceptable to the iphone generation?
they seem to be acceptable to yasmin.
not to mention the hypocricyof the gilded church ladies in victorian britain, weeping over the slavery of africans, whilst toasting another london urchin chimney sweep stuck up the parlour flue.
First, are you confident British troops committed injustice, and that no-one commits injustice against British troops? If so, then your judgemental powers are more than enviable. Second, is any military activity by any nation ever justifiable? For example, do you defend Palestinian freedom fighters in their violent struggle with Israel? Did they also commit atrocities and deserve to face trial?
Their violent struggle, their committing of atrocities…
Do you know about the Irgun, the Stern Gang and the Haganah?
And the guy that has been elevated as the patron saint of the 77th Brigade?
Ah yes Mishko ….. Orde Wingate . A man who really really enjoyed murdering civilians .
Obviously I’m not the only one who raised an eyebrow when 77 Brigade was specifically chosen for the role it has been tasked with.
i wouldn’t be, ‘zionists’ have been running this shithole for a very long time.
Most important, protection for those ordering the murder of a local citizen. Mafia law: These people have lost any focus on what life is about, the good things in life, they are obsessed with destruction.
https://www.globalresearch.ca/boris-johnson-coronavirus-confusion-uk/5726417
See what Mr. Kampmark has to say about the virus.
Boris didn’t lock us down enough…
The get out of jail free card or – covid [can only vouch in (your) defence], for the future war crimes of the establishment. Not as strange as it may seem at first glance when the establishment has already been gearing up for the next confrontation on the battlefield, this time with its own population.
We see that the establishment laughs at rest of the population with the likes of Cummings and Johnson proving that the virus is just for the stupid. Then Brenda goes on walkabout at Porton Down to show clearly that the whole charade is a mask-less facade. Just in case anyone needed reminding that the Star Chamber is still serving the state well even after almost 400 years since its supposed dissolution.
Significant symbolism in that the whole bio weapon show kicked off with a disaster scenario in Salisbury a couple of years ago. Now with the 5 eyes nations in lock stepped lock down how are they hoping to restart their economies after they have sacked them intentionally?
Or maybe they don’t intend to as the Chinese financial system looks like the way forward with a sate controlled debt write off for globo-cap.
Communism for the rich and globo-cap [eternal debt bondage] for the poor.
What evidence is there that Boris is a) ‘the establishment’ and b) that he leads rather than follows establishment figures like Whitty, Ferguson and Vallance, all acolytes of Bill Gates and with known connections to big pharma?
It can hardly be coincidence that at the same time that this UK Overseas Operations (Service Personnel and Veterans) Bill has appeared, an amendment Bill that absolves members of foreign forces in Australia of criminal and civil liability in certain cases while carrying out military duties has been circulating in the House of Representatives in Canberra.
With the paramount secrecy and obscure aims of all the new legal frameworks by a Frankenstein government, disaster preparedness would most likely mean: Making a disaster, rather than preparing ‘for’ a disaster.
Preparing for crimes ahead of time.
The yanks have been doing this for years. They call it ‘pre-emptive strikes’.
ie, get them before they get you.
I guess the Crown is conferring the “license to kill” from the select 00X to the entire military. Nothing really new there. Do not be surprised if its final form is amended to include UK consumers as well.
Already does David Kelly, Dunblane the list is endless.
I do reall the speeches made just before the Iraq invasion also being similar
across parts of the Commonwealth, Canada and Australia to be precise.
Then there is this so-called Canadian whistle-blower who has come forward with the Canadian government’s plans for continuing lockdowns on a rolling basis with a roadmap as mapped out like this:
– Phase in secondary lock down restrictions on a rolling basis, starting with major metropolitan areas first and expanding outward. Expected by November 2020.
– Rush the acquisition of (or construction of) isolation facilities across every province and territory. Expected by December 2020.
– Daily new cases of COVID-19 will surge beyond capacity of testing, including increases in COVID related deaths following the same growth curves. Expected by end of November 2020.
– Complete and total secondary lock down (much stricter than the first and second rolling phase restrictions). Expected by end of December 2020 – early January 2021
– Reform and expansion of the unemployment program to be transitioned into the universal basic income program. Expected by Q1 2021.
– Projected COVID-19 mutation and/or co-infection with secondary virus (referred to as COVID-21) leading to a third wave with much higher mortality rate and higher rate of infection. Expected by February 2021.
– Daily new cases of COVID-21 hospitalizations and COVID-19 and COVID-21 related deaths will exceed medical care facilities capacity. Expected Q1 – Q2 2021.
– Enhanced lock down restrictions (referred to as Third Lock Down) will be implemented. Full travel restrictions will be imposed (including inter-province and inter-city). Expected Q2 2021.
– Transitioning of individuals into the universal basic income program. Expected mid Q2 2021.
– Projected supply chain break downs, inventory shortages, large economic instability. Expected late Q2 2021.
– Deployment of military personnel into major metropolitan areas as well as all major roadways to establish travel checkpoints. Restrict travel and movement. Provide logistical support to the area. Expected by Q3 2021.
All these changes are likely to meet with resistance requiring police action, arrests and even violence. Police would require immunity from criminal and civil charges if they are to make arrests on a large scale.
The whistle-blower’s leak has been picked up by websites and blogs in Australia and the US.
Leaders, with the power to prevent and who fail to act to prevent a crime to be conducted against humanity are always culpable for all human loss (life, limb, or economic status and prosperity) such failure enabled.
Leadership carries with it an affirmative duty to act, to prevent, to deny, to block and to frustrate any act or activity to be conducted by anyone that would, that could enable a crime, or that does actually enable a crime against humanity. Time since the crime does not excuse or relieve the duty.
A government (nation state, etc.) becomes liable for all damages incurred by its victims, if any of its officials are found guilty of, conspiring to engage in, or of enabling, or actually engaging in, an activity that results in a crime against humanity. For damage liability to attach to a government, guilt must first be established by a victim to a human rights court,which court is independent in all material respects, from the taint of a defendant or prosecuting party interest.
When a nation state leader becomes culpable either by admission of guilt or by an adjudication of guilt by an independent human rights court, so too do all members of the legislative, executive and judicial parts of the government that hosted the guilty person. As one politician said, the responsibility stops here.
No matter how many ways “humans living on earth” can be separated, no matter how many different divisions or classifications are created (territory, race, religion, or whatever) humanity is the foundation, and human life its expression. Hence responsibility for human welfare is indivisible; that is, humanity is transparent to division of humans by any means possible. Everyone has a duty to everyone else to take reasonable measures to protect each other persons life, and during each persons life on earth, each person owes the other a responsibility to make the “duration of that other life” to be as long as possible and to be the best experience possible,
Isolating, grouping or subdividing living human, does not subdivide humanity, The individual subdivisions, and therefore the leadership of those subdivided bodies, are still, and always will remain, an integrated part of humanity. Division of human persons into separate governed parts, does not isolate those divided from responsibility to all other humans. All and each share a responsibility to humanity. Humanity cannot be subdivided; humanity is a transparent, fully-integrated whole.
Those who govern locally are held to be responsible to all humanity where ever humanity is located. Those who govern[the Governors] <=accept primary responsibility for the safety and security of global humanity and are obligated by their acceptance, to protect all humans where ever located, from loss of life, property or economic status and economic prosperity.
for all crimes planned or criminal activities conducted by those they govern .
against humanity (located domestic or foreign), and for all property, infra structure, economic damages inflicted because they, and they alone, are the conspirators.
Likewise, those who are the governed or who are hired, trained or equipped by the offending governors, are personally responsible for loss of life, or damage inflicted
British officials are not immune to responsibility and personal liability for activity meant to direct armed, trained, equipped and hostile personnel against life quality structures and human life located elsewhere.
Statutes of limitation cannot deny prosecution rights to victims of crimes when one state conducts use of force operations against a foreign states or its governed humanity. Humanity is transparent to nation state divisions.
Statutes of limitation cannot deny prosecution rights to victims of crimes when one state conducts use of force operations against a foreign state or its governed humanity.
To take this argument seriously, I would first need to know why all war is criminal, and why self-defence is morally wrong. Tough cookie.
Tough crookie.. why all war is criminal.. not all war is criminal but all that employs one group of humans to destroy or impair the individual life, individual quality of life, individual substance of that singular life, or activities which deprive that individual of infrastructure depended on, and necessary for, the support of that life, its quality, and longevity is a crime against humanity.
Joe, a citizen of nation state q, <=is deprived of the bridge, school, road, source of water and food <=because queen, head of nation state Z, ordered, with funds extracted from the efforts of q, to be built, stored, and improved weapons which were supplied to q and ordered that citizen q be trained in how to use Z made weapons <= then, queen ordered q to use those weapons to attack and destroy much of the infra structure of nation state B. Using Z made weapons, q kills citizen Sally, and forces on some other humans living in nation state B to lose their economy, their quality of life, and the infra structure upon which citizens of nation state B depend for their food, water and quality of life. Many citizens of B were killed, injured, and maimed rendering unable to continue the rest of their lives in the manner previous to invasion by the forces of Z.
Nether Joe nor Sally hated each other, neither had met their other at any time during their lives and both were victims of the media and the governors that ruled their lives.
No one I know of said anything about self defense being morally wrong? Said was: for damages <=the offending party is liable to the molested party for the full value of the loss of, or deprivation of infa-structure, economy, and system, and if molestation results in loss of life, limb, quality of life, well being, the offending party has committed a crime against humanity.
i answered that will a post which has not appeared. ??
Basically the earth is covered with a fabric made of humanity, from that fabric comes mankind and only after the fabric expresses itself in the form of mankind is it possible for leaders to assemble for themselves power or for the meek to nominate one of their member to leadership.. Either way with or without war, the leaders have accepted the duty to protect and save mankind from any harm.. ..so if a harm is inflicted against a human person, it violates all of humanity, and the inflictor and all who considered to and who supported the infliction of that harm, must make good the harm they caused. meaning the leaders, supporters, actors, and co-conspirators are severally and jointly liable to those harmed for the structure, economic and bloody damages they caused, and are criminally liable for engaging in crimes against humanity.
War is not mentioned above and neither is self defense.. War away, defend self away, but expect to be held civilly liable for all damages incurred by those you target or who incur bystander harms and criminally liable for even the slightest violation of a single human right. Humanity and the rights, expectancies, and safety of humanity(meaning any single human) far exceed the rights of any group exercising a political power to avoid liability for hams inflicted.
Self defence is not morally wrong.
Wars of aggression are.
You can’t have both peace and dividedness. Pure illusion.
The following quotations should be stuck to all politicians foreheads.
FAMOUS TROTSKY QUOTE (1917):
“We must turn Russia into a desert populated by white negroes upon whom we shall impose a tyranny such as the most terrible Eastern despots never dreamt of. The only difference is that this will be a left-wing tyranny, not a right-wing tyranny. It will be a red tyranny and not a white one. We mean the word ‘red’ literally, because we shall shed such floods of blood as will make all the human losses suffered in the capitalist wars pale by comparison. The biggest bankers across the ocean will work in the closest possible contact with us. If we win the revolution, we shall establish the power of Zionism upon the wreckage of the revolution’s funeral, and we shall became a power before which the whole world will sink to its knees. We shall show what real power is. By means of terror and bloodbaths, we shall reduce the Russian intelligentsia to a state of complete stupefaction and idiocy and to an animal existence.”
Israel Cohen.
“We must realize that our party’s most powerful weapon is racial tension. By propounding into the consciousness of the dark races that for centuries they have been oppressed by the whites, we can mold them to the program of the Communist Party. In America we will aim for subtle victory. While inflaming the negro minority against the Whites, we will endeavor to instill in the Whites a guilt complex for their exploitation of the negros. We will aid the negroes to rise in prominence in every walk of life, in the professions and in the world of sports and entertainment. With this prestige, the negro will be able to intermarry with the Whites and begin a process which will deliver America to our cause.”
Israel Cohen, General Secretary of The World Zionist Organization, from his book “A Racial Program For The 20th Century” (1912), read into the Congressional Record by Congressman Thomas Abernathy, U.S. House of Representatives (Mississippi, 4th District), on June 7, 1957, Volume 103, pg. 8559, third paragraph (left column). Page 26/27 on the archive site, 8559 in the book itself.
Albert Pike, in a letter to Giuseppi Mazzini, Revolutionary leader, 15 August 1871.
“We shall unleash the nihilists and the atheists and we shall provoke a great social cataclysm which in all its horror will show clearly to all nations the effect of absolute atheism; the origins of savagery and of most bloody turmoil.
Then everywhere, the people will be forced to defend themselves against the world minority of the world revolutionaries and will exterminate those destroyers of civilization and the multitudes disillusioned with Christianity whose spirits will be from that moment without direction and leadership and anxious for an ideal, but without knowledge where to send its adoration, will receive the true light through the universal manifestation of the pure doctrine of Lucifer brought finally out into public view. A manifestation which will result from a general reactionary movement which will follow the destruction of Christianity and Atheism; both conquered and exterminated at the same time.”
General Albert Pike, senior freemason in the Southern Jurisdiction, The United States of America
Jacob Rees-Mogg, House of Parliament, Tues 03/09/2019.
Speech in respect of parliamentary process….
“The motion would allow a designated Member—or a few of the Illuminati who are taking the powers to themselves—to….. ”
“Taking power to themselves” …….. The Illuminati Freemasons
Ignorance is not an option. Humanity is at the crossroads.
Hats off to Moggy.
“Famous” Trotsky quote? I’ve read loads of Trotsky. I’ve never seen that one before. I’m guessing it comes from the same source that claimed Marx once said, “Heh heh, I’m a really evil bastard and I hate your American freedoms! God is great”
I studied Trotsky too, but I’ve never seen any opinion of his remotely like this. Moreover, a quick search reveals that Vladimir Stepin is a serious anti-Semite, although he appears not to support holocaust against the Jewish race. But then neither did Hitler when he wrote Mein Kampf.
And the Illuminati, which is what this is all about.
You have nothing to say in this respect.
Should have left the left before you joined and studied more.
The operative expression comes from Jacob Rees Mogg
“The motion would allow a designated Member—or a few of the Illuminati who are taking the powers to themselves—to….. ”
The Illuminati have now been outed by a senior UK politician. What his motivation was I do not know, but this is a fact and not a conspiracy theory.
Personally I would put every senior politician from the last 50 years [the others no longer able to defend themselves] in the criminal court, where they would need to convince a jury that the actions taken by them were in the best interests of the British people.
No one on this thread has thought to highlight the Illuminati. This is the organisation that deserves to be exposed as the root of all evil. Am I the only one who speaks of this abomination or are all others spineless or just do not know.
How many Zionists run this country? Who funded Lenin and Trotsky?
Ignorance will kill quicker than a bullet.
Indeed we are. I dont know how much more evidence people need of who all this comes from. It’s clear as day.
That the wu-flu (and our resulting plight) came from Wuhan scientists, perhaps by accident and with funds and encouragement from Anthony Fauci and the CDC, is a common opinion. Maybe your better evidence can show us why this view is just conspiracy theory, like the MSM theory that Trump is Putin’s puppet, or that HCQ endangers lives rather than preventing covid fatalities?
There are none so blind than those who do not want to see.
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EXACTly what i mean
Jacob Rees-Mogg, when brainwashed people Hats off to Moggy. and visit his you tube channel a known operative a parasite elite Then your know the clueless are fuckign clueless
roll on a year later the plandemic
never in history have the wetware been so in love with the oppressor that’s why they pulled off Bs19 in 2020 very easily
A brainwashed person would think that anything said by the evil Mogg must be an evil lie, and so would probably not condemn those brave, peaceful protestors who spit at his kids in the street
A brainwashed person is unable to think,
peaceful protestors who spit at his kids is an oxymoron.
Spitting at children is not peaceful.
Eton has a lot to answer for, however,
The operative expression comes from Jacob Rees Mogg
“The motion would allow a designated Member—or a few of the Illuminati who are taking the powers to themselves—to….. ”
The Illuminati have now been outed by a senior UK politician. What his motivation was I do not know, but this is a fact and not a conspiracy theory.
Personally I would put every senior politician from the last 50 years [the others no longer able to defend themselves] in the criminal court, where they would need to convince a jury that the actions taken by them were in the best interests of the British people.
No one on this thread has thought to highlight the Illuminati. This is the organisation that deserves to be exposed as the root of all evil. Am I the only one who speaks of this abomination or are all others spineless or just do not know.
How many Zionists run this country? Who funded Lenin and Trotsky?
Ignorance will kill quicker than a bullet.
I tried bro. A few are on board but most here are completely intellectually dishonest. For all their other insights.
They will not address the JQ.
The same people who funded and directed the Bolsheviks are the same people behind all major atrocities past and present.
Its so fucking obvious it makes me laugh.
Congratulations, now there are two of us who know who to blame.
Education destroys the Illuminati.
unfortunately yuri besmenov was correct, most are so far gone via social and psycholgical conditioning that they are actually defective. suicidal almost.
welcome to the site not seen your icon about before
eton anglo saxon word means giants codified speak standing on the shoulder of giants or hand of the giants in arabic theses are occult reference to Orion.
if i wanted to learn about the brother of lights (illuminati ) i wouldn’t listen to a koshaconservative
rE: MOGG
It was the built up to the selection’s in between the long drawn out brexxit ritual so whatever is internet fashionable sellable to the gullible at the time. the mimetics jump on board which he is
Eminent authors real searcher who died in poverty to tell the world about this cult priesthoods elites family bloodlines etc etc
and this bunch of cheap state bannon owned puppets like Q trump psyop come along and try to water down mix synthesize and co-opt a movement thinking it cool to talk about illuminati So idiots can turn around and say they there one of us there anti establishment
and retards feel for it hook line and sinker
thanks for your reply
Can’t we all just get along??
We could all get along if we were left alone and not prompted to war by the Illuminati.
And I got my way all the time.
Oh joy. More “Leon Trotsky was the Devil” stuff.
He was not the only devil, but that of course is in the detail.
The detail is in history of the Illuminati.
“The ole crystal ball tell you that, did it?”
No, a lifetimes observation and research.
There is no doubt that in the fog of war innocent lives will be lost at the hands of soldiers who are hyped and trying to preserve their own lives in very dangerous situations. However the fact that Brit forces shouldn’t have been in Iraq in the first place and that it was all based on lies seems lost on the top brass.
I’m sure that many regulars live with the guilt of their actions. That said, there is no doubt that sociopaths and psychopaths wear uniforms in every army. I’m sure in dangerous situations they are a help and a hindrance to those around them.
Perhaps the MOD think that by preventing charges being brought they can forget about the ill discipline and the lack of judgement that turns a soldier into a murderer because the military is about the only place that has a use for such people. Let’s not forget that sooner or later these rogue elements return to Blighty with even less control of themselves than they had before they left. Will their immunity extent to civvy street?
What is being proposed will also apply to mainland Brits who fall foul of any martial law, imposed by a gov’t which is losing its grip and lying to its people….yet again.
Have you ever expressed similar concerns about the dangers of allowing ISIS fighters (‘soldiers of Islam’) to return to the UK? They seem quite sociopathic, which doesn’t mean that ‘mental issues’ made them kill indiscriminately.
Of course, who wouldn’t?. I no more want them in Blighty than i do psychotic soldiers fucked up by fighting wars abroad for corporations. Defending one’s country isn’t killing foreigners for oil, gas, gold, lithium, opium.
Ah the ethics of War.
No soldier operating within a military machine has the realistic option of disobeying an order.
So why should he face prosecution?
Surely it’s those issuing those orders that should be prosecuted.
In reality Blair and others should be stood in the same dock Milosovic stood in.
Why are some weapons ethical, and others not ?
Gut shot with 5.56 ethical ?
Dismembered by fragmentation grenade ?
500lb bomb. ?
Buried alive by a combat ‘dozer?
How about if it’s running ‘green ‘ diesel?
Phosphorus shell ?
Napalm ?
I believe all the above are allowed .
I guess they are all ethical.
But a fast acting nerve agent is not ethical?
How about being vaporised by a nuc ?
Is being instantly converted into heat and light not ethical ?
What if it’s a neutron warhead and it’s radiation sickness that kills you ?
Does anybody know of any instance ever where someone who ‘won’ a war was prosecuted for being unethical ?
I can’t think of a single instance where that happened.
Who needs dry and dusty protections like laws when more women is all you need (retweeted approvingly by the CFR) –
https://twitter.com/jamillebigio/status/1318593876358254593
The likes of Gina Haskell will certainly lead to more peace, the kind that resembles a desert.
The Western powers have quite a poor track record of prosecuting their own crimes against humanity. I doubt they have any intention of start doing that all of a sudden. So why is such a bill even needed? Is it preparations to be able use the military against their own populations with impunity?
BINGO This is not about them abroad as such this is about them to use on civilians for and when it kicks off
All theses laws in unison all over the world are about if any real civil unrest happens which means either there priming it or when cv21 appears it may really kick of
the Manchester verses government beef rap battle was theatre confuse the already confused on who to blame and local lock down aka settlement zones when jobs disappear due to this and money becomes harder to get.
theses laws are perfect to give license to kill allow the killers of civil unrest and of course when BS19 health vaccine/s come out and if any side effects or deaths happen which they are wanting, then tough shit no compo as its the side effect of the new bs21 virus strain not the happy friendly anti viral spray.
the fact that people, still engaging in politics shows there masters can kill and lie even pretend to have a illness and look perfectly normal.
talk of interment camps, military on the streets , new laws about who can vaccine you or your family and now kill.
better wake the fuck up politics is not getting you out of this one
something not mentioned when a city/s towns dies like back in the 80’s recession migration happen to places of where work is. .Are they going to be called refugees or plague bringers.
But is their failure to oppose abuses of human rights by their armed forces worse than that of communist China, the Soviet Union, Iran or any other undemocratic nation? Has any Soviet or Chinese or Iranian or Vietnamese soldier ever been prosecuted by his rulers for war crimes or abuse against either non-nationals or nationals? I think not, but please link to correct me. Also worth noting is that the ‘western powers’ invented and popularised human rights, not Communists or Islamists. If you dislike these opinions, try disproving them with evidence. If that doesn’t appeal, ask yourself why.
Oh, it’s you again. There are no “human rights”. A human is born and has a right to live freely. A nature given Right cannot be a “western invention” buddy boy. And I used the phrase western powers as this particular piece of article concerned the UK Empire, a western power is it not? But I could as well have used Our Civilisation. Same to me. There, fixed it for you!
So Labour will repeal it when they get in, right?
ha ha ha ha ha ha ha Labour couldn’t peel an orange , the seven day notice to go on strike stayed where it was, wasn’t even looked at, so with the present leader there is no hope whatsoever of anything changing.
Labour are just one buttock on the same backside. The other are the Tories (Of course)
Starmer wouldn’t dare forfeit his Knighthood by really opposing the establishment across the benches. To do that would see him ejected nearer the next GE and face obscurity, forevever.
Starmer would bow to Gates lower than Boris does. But at least Boris never condemned excessively rich capitalists like Gates.
After Tulsi Gabbard withered away, another green shoot (aged 66) is sprouting in the U$A. A Socialist candidate, no less. Shades of J.Corbyn! UK Labour Party please copy:
“Since 1976 Gloria La Riva has received more presidential votes while running as a Socialist candidate than anyone else. She says the widely-perceived failure of the two mainstream parties… has already produced the biggest protests here in 50 years, and that the protests will continue …. Despite all the obstacles, intimidation, apathy and alleged danger….”
http://www.presstv.com/Detail/2020/10/12/636206/US-presidential-election-Democrats-Republican-Party-Donald-Trump-?fbclid=IwAR36fdjsE8KcTRhyKZyxgwru-5nbBFglN8Htgny7P8lYsrO_JR2Aw-Pi_AM
Unfortunately it appears the Party for Socialism and Liberation (PSL) is still pushing the SCAMDEMIC propaganda and the face diapers.
Like J.Corbyn caving in to the Antipastas. So no hope for Socialism in the Anglosphere.
That depends what one means by Socialism. If Eugene Debs were alive rather doubtful he would be pushing the CORPORATE FASCIST SCAMDEMIC propaganda. He would see it for what it is.
https://www.tumblr.com/search/v%20debs
I’d say Gloria is right about the problem (the perceived failure of the two mainstream parties), but wrong that this produced the huge and very violent protests. They resulted from the socialist refusal to accept the answer to establishment failure provided by US voters and democracy: Donald Trump. His supporters choose change via the peaceful ballot. They do not riot, terrorise, loot nor burn down any US cities at all. But radical leftists and Biden supporters are choosing violence over democracy, and denying the very obvious truth that this behaviour cannot possibly restore the left’s ruined credibility.
You are right about the shameless violence of the Democrat Party’s reaction to Trump, they were real sore losers. Childish, a real Hillary Shrillary Killary tan-Trump. But you are wrong about one thing: the Dems are not Socialists. They want socialism only for the rich, for people like Barak Banker-spawn Obama, Joe Gas-deals Biden and Hilary Goldman-Sachs Clinton. Same socialism as the UK Labour Party, still led by Tony Rothschild-director B.Liar.
I hope all soldiers engaging in combat will observe social distancing.
And no diesel tanks. Electric only. We’ve been told we’re going petrol/diesel free within a decade.
On hold I think. See, what the electric vehicle industry needs, is what Bolivia has.
Did you mean coke, lithium, or great, honest politicians like Evo Morales? Haha.
no chance of this.
They will, not sure about the bullets though.
Oh Dear, there seems to be a massive delusion in the liberal brain.
The Queensbury Rules apply to sport and not to war.
War cannot be fought unfortunately on rules of sport.
War is ugly, Torture is ugly, murder is ugly, crime is ugly, theft is ugly and stupidity is ugly and victory can be ugly too.
War is fought by nations to either protect their property against invaders or invade or as a retaliation for a deed of evil committed against its citizens. It is not for the fainthearted and definitely not for lawyers and courts. Courts and lawyers have the privilege of safety of the judges and time to opine and ponder about all the what ifs.That privilege unfortunately does not exist in war. You have to seize the opportunity that presents and make a very quick decision. Such is the nature of war.
So, its horses for courses. Stick with your knitting and stop trying to make something reasonable out of something that is neither reasonable or fair.
Don’t punish those who act under duress and are prepared to sacrifice their lives for you in the best interest of the country.
You have a choice. Leave and go elsewhere or if you choose change sides and see if the grass is greener on the other side. Don’t force your opinions and choices on others. Political correctness has never been the solution.
Life is not fair. To everything there is a season. That is what you are told by God.
War is another form of politics. It is used to enforce a political policy whether WW1, which was orchestrated by the Milner group, or WW2, which was a strategy concocted by the Transnational financiers who financed both the Bolshevik Revolution plus the Nazis, to create from thesis+antithesis to equal synergy. The people who normally construct these wars have scant regard for human life whether it’s the civilians or many military personnel ( cannon fodder is the term that comes to mind). By not having some sort of International law regarding warfare, the results are the bombing of Dresden, Coventry, Hiroshima, Tokyo, Hanoi etc. The mass slaughter of innocent men women and children by means such as agent orange or spent uranium munitions plus conventional weapons.
Excellent post – I hope it goes viral.
Without any doubt, it is politics. I agree fully with your assertion
”The people who normally construct these wars have scant regard for human life whether it’s the civilians or many military personnel”
The issue here, is, the soldiers who have to do the dirty work are being targeted by some liberal legal eagle team attempting to obtain a political punitive reprisal against them for the actions of those who caused the problem in the first place. It is simple obfuscation which is always the MO of politicians trying to deflect and protect their masters.
They need to target the very politicians in their personal capacities who are in fact part of the cause problem and the result of their politics and of course the Transnational financiers and corporates that profit out of these conflicts.
The consequences and collateral damage is unfortunately the result of the politics, yet everyone else is blamed except those who actually create the conflicts. Tackle the cause and creators.
There were such international laws after World War 1, and more after World War 2. They did not make any difference in the conduct of the biggest bully.
There was no such law banning the use of mustard gas plus other poisonous gasses used in WW1 and the use of poisonous gas by the Western Powers in the 1919 invasion of Russia. Indeed, there were relatively few instances of it being used in WW2 because it was banned by international law.
How about zyklon b? The holocaust required more than a few litres of that.
Since it was supposedly used in secret and used in secret vernivhtungslager, plus it was not used in military offensive campaigns, it could hardly be outlawed if the allies supposedly didn’t officially know it existed!!!
See reply below !!!
But was the Soviet Union a bigger bully and threat than communist China today?
There are already many international laws and treaties against war, aggression, genocide and other horrendous abuses of human rights and freedoms. But nightmare dictatorships like Islamist Iran and communist China ignore or abuse them everyday. Ask a civil rights protestor in Iran or HK, or a Chinese Muslim if you don’t believe me. Also, it’s been a very long time since uranium munitions were used in the ex-Yugoslavia or Agent Orange deployed in Vietnam. But as past wrongs can never be righted, shouldn’t we be protesting the horrendous and arguably much worse injustices of today instead, such as the CCP’s slow, racist genocide against 3m+ Uigyurs and Tibetans now in concentration camps? Those who ignore this reality but self-righteously say they are ‘fighting for justice’ are seriously deranged or morally-blind. Also, what global governance would emperor Xi or other dictators ever defer to, do you think? Don’t say the UN! Did you know China has just been ‘elected’ to its human rights council?
Hmm, lets see the CIA helped and financed the Islamic Revolution in Iran, after all Khomeni was given sanctuary in a vassal country of the US empire and even flown back you them to take the lead in it. The CCP was aided and abetted by the Transnational financiers and they even poured in vast sums of money, and still do, to industrialise it which has seen the West deindustrialised. By the way spent uranium ordnance has a half life of a century or more and was used in Iraq in 2003. Agent orange has still caused enormous ecological damage plus human deformities. Any evidence that the CCP have 3m+Uigyurs in concentration camps? Read my original post to see who is instigating major wars!!!
The Muslim Brotherhood was an MI6 creation, Khomeni was funded supported given sanctuary in a US vassal state and flown by them to head the Iranian revolution. Al Queda were funded, trained and supported by the US and its vassal states. The CCP was supported and funded by Wall street in order to great its gargantuan leap in industrialization in such a short leap in time. Which begs the qquestion why build up the industrial power of an ideological enemy dedicated to your destruction?. If you have evidence that the Chinese communists have 3,000,000+ Uighurs in concentration camps let’s see it !!!
just keep your soldiers at home and there will be no need to prosecute them for crimes committed abroad. It is as simple as that. Want to do really usefull “help for heroes”?- keep tham at home! Close to their friends, families and country.
Oh what a great solution!. While your neighbour is being attacked by heathens and barbarians just peek through the window and hide away? We have a name for such people. Cowards who pass the responsibility onto others. I’m alright jack as they say.
which of your “neighbour ” is being attacked? Which of your “neighbour” Britain “defended” in Iraq?
I was not referring directly to Iraq or Iran by the way. However, In my case it was the UK who were protecting the Financial Warmongers in City of London who were sponsoring terrorism by communists in Southern Africa, You know those dear Lord Renwicks, colluding with Kissinger’s et al.
Yep, pacifists are cowards and parasites in the eyes if those who risk their lives to defend people and nation. That kind of truth is very inconvenient here, and for that reason so very very necessary, thanks.
There are countless millions of families peeking through THEIR windows in terror in Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Palestine, Yemen and elsewhere. They live in mortal fear of the goons and thugs and proxy head choppers we have sent there to terrorise them.
Who are the “barbarians”?
There aren’t many Afghans peeking through OUR windows with evil intent.
You conflate issues in order to defend the ideologues.
The politicians who enable and help the “elite” Financiers and Bankers and complicit “Corporations” aka the Military Industrial Complex are the barbarians.
The attempt in this article is to deflect the blame onto the soldiers for carrying out orders. That is the issue and the problem .
It is those who peek out from behind their curtains while simultaneously following the political agenda to be part of the popularity contests, just like those who mask up while snitching to authorities on covid19 con-trick are the cowards I refer too. It is these very same cowards who continue to support the politicians who enable the terror.
What is noticeable too there are very few that will call out the real terrorists and barbarians. These are the real terrorists and thugs and head choppers of the Islamic “Elite” who originate from the countries you quote..
Those to encourage politicians to allow them the opportunity into immigrate and integrate into the civilised world are another real PC issue that is conveniently ignored.
It is well know that the blame shifting is intended to mask and deflect those who actually to commit their deeds of terror that elicit demand from the public to stop the scourge.
They, the PC NGO’s are part of this cowardly group, the Military Industrial Complex. It is them who attempt to legitimise terror and those that are financing these NGO groups and these PC legal scammers to wit who need to be addressed and tackled.
This is where the call for harsher penalties and laws to restrict them should be addressed and formulated and enacted.
“You want the truth? YOU CAN’T HANDLE THE TRUTH!!”
You are excusing war as a necessary result of disagreement.
No you mislead. Its unfortunately liberals like you liberals who are part of the problem since you elect the idiots and scum that cause the war.
Spot on. Leftists and liberals hate Trump like vampires hate garlic, even though he is the great anti-politician who has done more to defang and defeat the military-industrial complex in 3 years than a million leftists and liberals ever did. Trump was elected on a platform to end endless wars of intervention, to drain the swamp of the corrupt DC elite, and is delivering on his promises. No wonder all rich elitists and globalist leaders so fear and hate him. ‘But he’s a waycist!’
It is clear from Trumps speeches that he understands and is fully aware of their objectives to create a new world order and he knows how they are trying to do it. I suspect the main reason why he pulled out from the Paris accord.
This has infuriated them and we say after his Davos speech the immediate response of one of the huge protagonists and funders of these conflicts and colour revolutions, Soros.
Unfortunately its seems Trump swallowed the corona bait, but it was most probably deliberate in hindsight. He also fooled them with his vaccine response.
Johnson took everything , hook line and sinker.He is busy lining his pockets for sure.
I have noted the attack on Bolsanaro by his henchmen the NGO complex and the conflict fomented in Belarus after Lukashenko rejected the World Bank, IMF strings attached “loans”.The resonse was quick indeed.
Sweden was surprising, but they are already socialist. But they have avoided the stab in the back so far.
You over-react, perhaps because of understandably strong emotions against violent conflict. War is obviously not a necessary result of disagreement, and he obviously opposes it. “Let’s agree to disagree’ is a civilised (and very British) response to differences of opinion. But it can take a lot of emotional control to accept those with opinions unlike your own, and still treat them with respect, or even as your equals.
The My Lai massacre (/ˌmiːˈlaɪ/; Vietnamese:
Perhaps the vomit inducing John should study history and reflect on who is responsible for the orchestrated wars that the world has suffered.
Who funds the wars? Who benefits from wars? Who glorifies war? Who controls public opinion?
Find out why returning troops commit suicide.
Ignorance is not a choice…..1984 No one wins.
Just ban war and give peace a chance.
Oh that is brilliant,. Ban wars. Wipe your mouth speaking crap stinks more than vomit.
You should know.
Exactly. Ban wars. Ban militaries. They’ve had the UN. They could have done it but they didn’t even want to try.
Why was that? Because they LOVE it and because it’s profitable for the central bankers, energy cartels and industrialists to eliminate large populations. It’s an essential part of their wealth extraction model. That is explained in Silent Weapons for Quiet Wars. The deaths from wars increase their ability to accumulate wealth, land and power, simultaneously.
Your insults suggest your insecurity and ruin debate or critical thinking. A better option would be to tell us the names of all those who benefit from war, like the leaders and funders of Nazis, communists and Islamists, or of Aztecs, Zulus and Ottomans. Then you should explain who will ban war and enforce that ban on our behalf. This mighty mission might mean hugely unpopular violent intervention and a reputation as evil. See ‘Uncle Sam’ or ‘global policeman’ for more details.
I do not believe that the truth can be insulting.
From reading the comments and approvals it appears that most seem to agree with me.
Countries that have a defensive posture, as opposed to those treating the World as a board game of domination, would be my preferred partners.
The left always displays its insecurities by the amount of blood spilled in the name of the revolution and maintaining power, Stalin comes to mind.
Education destroys the Illuminati.
Yep, as I thought. “most seem to agree with me”. A sign of complete insecurity. Insult then look behind how many are encouraging you. You have a clear Inferiority complex. Enough said to you mommy’s sausage.
So which fairytale do you subscribe to as justification for the invasion and decimation of large swathes of the Middle East around 2003? Iraq, for example, did absolutely nothing to justify the invasion, which was totally illegal. The “allies” (ALL LIES) lied and lied and lied in order to convince the public the invasion was legit. The lies about WMDs, the lies about being able to hit the UK in 45 minutes, the lies about Iraqi officials handing 9/11 hijacker Mohammed Atta anthrax at a meeting in the Czech Republic which was used in the post 9/11US anthrax attacks (lies which came from Israeli intel), the lies about mobile weapons labs. Then the emotional attempts at manipulation of the public mind “Saddam is an evil dictator who murders his own people”, “we’re going to liberate the Iraqi people”. This war completely unveiled the US and UK as nothing more than a bunch of opportunistic criminals, working in the interests not of the UK and US, but in the interests of Soviet-Israel.
Here’s an article from leading neocons who were instrumental in the creation of this nightmare. Written in 1998, it’s called “Bombing Iraq isn’t Enough”. By WIlliam Kristol and Robert Kagan.
https://www.nytimes.com/1998/01/30/opinion/bombing-iraq-isn-t-enough.html
Saddam Hussein must go. This imperative may seem too simple for some experts and too daunting for the Clinton Administration. But if the United States is committed, as the President said in his State of the Union Message, to insuring that the Iraqi leader never again uses weapons of mass destruction, the only way to achieve that goal is to remove Mr. Hussein and his regime from power. Any policy short of that will fail.
The good news is this: The Administration has abandoned efforts to win over the Iraqi leader with various carrots. It is clear that Mr. Hussein wants his weapons of mass destruction more than he wants oil revenue or relief for hungry Iraqi children. Now the Administration is reportedly planning military action — a three- or four-day bombing campaign against Iraqi weapons sites and other strategic targets. But the bad news is that this too will fail. In fact, when the dust settles, we may be in worse shape than we are today.
Think about what the world will look like the day after the bombing ends. Mr. Hussein will still be in power — if five weeks of heavy bombing in 1991 failed to knock him out, five days of bombing won’t either. Can the air attacks insure that he will never be able to use weapons of mass destruction again? The answer, unfortunately, is no. Even our smart bombs cannot reliably hit and destroy every weapons and storage site in Iraq, for the simple reason that we do not know where all the sites are. After the bombing stops, Mr. Hussein will still be able to manufacture weapons of mass destruction. Pentagon officials admit this.
What will President Clinton do then? Administration officials talk of further punitive measures, like declaring a no-fly zone over all of Iraq, or even more bombing. But the fact is that the United States will have shot its bolt. Mr. Hussein will have proved the futility of American air power. The United Nations inspection regime will have collapsed; American diplomacy will be in disarray. Those who opposed military action all along — the Russians, French and Chinese — will demand the lifting of sanctions, and Mr. Hussein will be out of his box, free to terrorize our allies and threaten our interests.
Mr. Hussein has obviously thought through this scenario, and he likes his chances. That is why he provoked the present crisis, fully aware that it could lead to American bombing strikes. He has survived them before, and he is confident he can survive them again. They will not succeed in forcing him to abandon his efforts to obtain weapons of mass destruction. The only way to remove the threat of those weapons is to remove him, and that means using air power and ground forces, and finishing the task left undone in 1991.
We can do this job. Mr. Hussein’s army is much weaker than before the Persian Gulf war. He has no political support beyond his own bodyguards and generals. An effective military campaign combined with a political strategy to support the broad opposition forces in Iraq could well bring his regime down faster than many imagine. And Iraq’s Arab neighbors are more likely to support a military effort to remove him than an ineffectual bombing raid that leaves a dangerous man in power.
Does the United States really have to bear this burden? Yes. Unless we act, Saddam Hussein will prevail, the Middle East will be destabilized, other aggressors around the world will follow his example, and American soldiers will have to pay a far heavier price when the international peace sustained by American leadership begins to collapse.
If Mr. Clinton is serious about protecting us and our allies from Iraqi biological and chemical weapons, he will order ground forces to the gulf. Four heavy divisions and two airborne divisions are available for deployment. The President should act, and Congress should support him in the only policy that can succeed.
You should read the complete string before you comment and launch into a tirade of virtue signalling. . I was not discussing a fairy-tale. So I ignored your waffle.
My comment was about the troops being prosecuted for carrying out orders and who should be taking the rap.
Go see my response to Brianborou
John
Oct 21, 2020 9:32 AM
Reply to Brianborou
I was replying to this deceitful assertion of yours:
“War is fought by nations to either protect their property against invaders or invade or as a retaliation for a deed of evil committed against its citizens.”.
Pure bullshit. I wrote the truth, not waffle. I pasted an article written by some of the architects of the criminal, amoral invasion of Iraq, which was the plan all along, as evidenced by the article. It’s a shame the UK is not a force for good in the world, which it asserts it is, but in truth it is the opposite. In foreign lands, I have been assaulted and verbally threatened because of the criminal actions of our government.
Your mother is deceitful and I honestly don’t really give two hoots what you think.
Your waffle nor opinion and insult doesn’t interest me at all.
If you cannot take the verbal threats or assaults then don’t issue them and launch into insults.They most probably did it because you were a disgrace in any event based on your ad hominem in this instance, you obviously deserved it.
War is also fought by nations defending themselves too.I clearly agreed with Brianborou regarding the political side too and you cherry picked something to argue about
You can go an teach your Granny to suck eggs too for all I care
Next please.
Next please, indeed…
“In foreign lands, I have been assaulted and verbally threatened because of the criminal actions of our government.“
This is how they achieve the for-profit racketeering and fraud of wars. The nation state against nation state. Religion against religion. Political sect against political sect. Skin color against skin color.
They just divide up populations into various segments, in the case of nation vs nation the segment is achieved through an imaginary border.
But the bankers are behind all the wars. All the wars throughout history. Capital is needed to fight a war. Then propaganda. All the wars are fake wars. They are a mechanism to extract more wealth through mass death. And the manipulated hoards like John are simply angry at the deception, and won’t take responsibility for the ease of their manipulation.
They don’t want to see the truth because the truth would make them guilty by association. The truth lifts the veil on the lies and most people prefer their myths.
No I am not angry at the deception. I am shocked at the ignorance and complacency.
When your country is attacked by whoever,you as a citizen should be prepared to defend your country.
I would only refuse to serve my country if it sells out to communists and socialists or in the case of the UK where your Government is in the process of selling you out to communism. The UN is socialist yet you all seem quite happy to let Johnson lie to you and accept it when the facts are so obvious the covid19 con-trick is an has been clearly exposed.
I am astounded at the gullibility of a nation that was so proud of its roots and that one my own father defended.
Your country is being attacked from within. Here are some details. Go back through the last few episodes and you will start to understand how the British miklitary is being dismantled. It is all sibveted and infiltrated
subverted that should say.
Everywhere its the same Mucho. The UN have bought all the most senior ministers including the Prime Ministers. That is why we are all seeing a world consolidated response. All following an agenda.
I have a letter from a Canadian official showing Tredeaus instructions to the originating from the Strategic Planning Committee (which is steered by the PMO). I think I got the info on OffG. Here is the link to the source
I’m afraid politicians don’t care at all about virus exists or not. In Canada, their plan (if confirmed) is horrendous.
Read this from a whistleblower (scroll down for English version, it comes from French spoken forum):
https://forum.chaudiere.ca/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=1783&fbclid=IwAR2vnfgQnJytB7CIsC4le1006AhWOikoOzRE2_Wjl1w0-vHhDQoeNWgeU4M
war is fought by leaders who use the nations to protect the property of those who have the resources and power to own the government.
And many Brits have been murdered because of their identity. Maybe you remember all those beheaded or blown to bits by the ‘soldiers of Islam’, as ISIS calls its very willing recruits. So will you also condemn these killers, or just evil people with UK or US passports? Also, it would help if you could tell us who is ‘a force for good’ in the world. Given that ordinary Brits and Americans ended slavery, developed human rights, and did so much to prevent the victory of Nazism and global communism, you’ll need an impressive alternative.
Those soldiers of Islam were on the CIA or MI6 payroll for decades.
Bin Laden was our best mate, a heroic freedom fighter, getting invites round the White House and 10 Downing Street for tea and buns.
Your views very welcome by this heretic
The anthrax was eventually traced to the now infamous US bio weapons lab, Fort Detrick. This blew their made-up story about Iraqi officials handing the anthrax to Atta out of the water, so instead they settled for blaming a worked at Fort Detrick. Then they killed him and blamed his death on suicide.
“This war completely unveiled the US and UK as nothing more than a bunch of opportunistic criminals”. This is just slander and/or bigotry, not argument. The American and British people didn’t choose the Iraqi war. More fundamentally, ‘The UK’ and ‘the US’ are only names and so can make no decisions. But we know Bush, Blair and the global elites who use them certainly did. Did you support the war because Blair is British? Of course not. So will you stop smearing the British nation?
The Britsh people. for the most part, couldn’t care less about the crimes of their government. Too brainwashed and stupid to care/understand
At a very conservative estimate, US wars of aggression since 2001 alone have caused 60 million refugees. Their endless crimes and depredations are without precedent in all of human history.
You seem to ignore that there are more than 120 million deaths caused by communism. Those are deaths not refugees.
War is fought by nations to either protect their property against invaders or invade or as a retaliation for a deed of evil committed against its citizens. ? you honestly believe a country goes to war with a country to protect their citizens? all wars are bankers wars nothing else there are no morals taken to account .if they went to Iraq to save its citizens from evil why are they still there having been to to leave ? why haven’t they invaded the head choppers of Saudi Arabia? no wonder we are where we are if there are people like you believe that shit, Germany was only invaded because it offered a threat to the UK economy , the drunk and bums own words Churchill.
Geoff, Read the response above please and my repose to Brianborou. Yes and I honestly do believe a country goes to war to protect it citizens. South African boers did it when your country invaded their territories for example, assuming you’re from the UK of course.
Hats off to the only other poster I’ve seen at OG who doesn’t say patriotism is evil. You also state obvious lessons usually ignored here, like ‘life is not fair’ and ‘don’t force your opinions on others’. You make me remember my leftist days, when I thought we sought more peace, love and understanding. But I don’t recall anyone ready to repeat God’s advice like you do, only the teachings of the Prophet Karl.
Thank you.
Well, far be it for an oik without office to point it out, but if you deny people the right to pursue justice through peaceful means, you have to suspect that at least some of them will seek to do so instead through the use of guns, explosive devices or the like.
Promoting terrorism in other words.
Jonny Mercer is presumably well versed in FCO diplomatic tactics: try talking and if all else fails, declare war.
All this act is doing is removing the choices available before ‘all else’ has been declared to have failed.
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So this UK wants to create some local legal high ground for possible military atrocities?
True, Islam has it already in its Koran since ages, but better to try working on that aberration.
PR China doesn’t even need this as they have zero separation of powers due to the CCP omniscience, another festering wound on Humanity.
Your a good little goyim
you never mention any scriptures just alt right paid puppet posts like a good goyim who funds ya
Islam terrorist are self isolating at the moment due to CV19
How dare you suggest those without British or American passports might be evil or oppress others. Hitler, Stalin, Xi and Attila the Hun were all paid by the CIA, didn’t you know? Attila was admittedly tricky, but time travel soon solved that one.
If you’re looking for festering wounds, try reading your Talmud.
“Hi! It is I, Blairigula. I love the smell of Napalm in the morning. It reminds me of where I am going.”
Uh-oh. Here we go again. It’s all Blair’s fault. Nothing to do with the criminal Bush family and their evil cronies in the CIA.
I bet you Bush & Co would be jealous of that selfie.
Blair was warmongering long before Bush and Iraq in 2003, he was one of the worst aggressors against Federal (rump) Yugoslavia in 1999.
It was the fault of many. Blair and Bush are just the faces, names, that the public can point fingers at and blame for everything.
I could go on but many now know how the machine works.
The puppet masters are never held to account. Money and power is all that matters, at any cost.
I agree. They are not innocent, but I think we are always given the faces, not the real power player shaker’s and mover’s.
I think Gates is in that role today. And Fauci.
I wonder if all those billions belong to Gates, or he is just the financial tool investing in what he is told to invest in.
I don’t think the real powers would deign show there faces at Bilderberg.
Gates is just another face of how Crony Capitalism can work if you’re on the right side of the Devil.
He just one of the Tech giants who opened the doors for mass surveillance to state, yet he is cheered by many instead of being chased with a pitchfork.
No, none of the real players would dare show their faces at the Bilderberg charade for fear of being put in a permanent spotlight.
The minions are quite happy to carry out their orders for money and protection.
Democratically-elected buffoons like Blair, Boris and Macron are the perfect fall guys for puppet-masters. They even believe in the UN and globalist ideology.
Well at least GWB had the decency to fuck off after he left office. Not our Tone who had to continue to inflict his neoliberal bullshit on us – and continue to get paid for it.
Bush and Blair weren’t cronies?
(Thinks… I will find out what the educated people here have studied and learned, then I will draw diametrically opposite conclusions, and everybody will admire my independent spirit…)
Your attempt at creating an either/or scenario doesn’t work.
It’s the fault of Blair, Bush, Rice, Wolfowitz, Rove, Powell, Cheney AND the CIA – as well as their manipulative boss ghouls who prefer to be hidden in the shadows.
What about the Illuminati, you forgot who the real perpetrators are.
I never forget the “illuminati-of-the-darkness”. They are meant by my reference to “their manipulative boss ghouls who prefer to be hidden in the shadows”.
George Galloway suddenly finds himself aligned with Blair re the ‘Covid’ dystopia, ID 2020, lockdowns etc..
“Shameless George’s bookings agent tells Shameless he can get more venues for his shtick/act if he pushes the CORPORATE FASCIST SCAMDEMIC than if he calls it out for the fraud that it is.”
yes the covid nonsense has unveiled the agents.
This classic is still one of the greatest memes ever, and so bitingly effective
It’s a pity modern Christians didn’t keep just a little of the good Ol’ Testament punishment stuff for liars and blasphemers like this… yet I understand he’s a Catholic…?
An Irish lady once told me that the first thing the devil did when he was cast out of Heaven was to make for the Catholic Church.
A not-altogether incredible claim – apart from the chronology…
I respect anyone’s right to believe in any religious entity they choose, but in my book murdering on a genocidal scale is out, Confession, or no Confession.
The man is so awful it’s really hard to believe that black magic is not somehow involved…