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Review: Turning Back: The Personal Journey of a Born-Again Jew

Steve Lipman

A review of Turning Back: The Personal Journey of a Born-Again Jew, by Michael Lesher. Published by Lincoln Square Books

The typical Jew-who-has-found-the-light-and-discovers-God book follows a familiar pattern: some description of the author’s upbringing in an identifiably Jewish but resolutely secular family, some event that causes him as a young adult to examine his or her values and study the tenets of traditional Judaism, a gradual embrace of orthodox Judaism, and finally a wholehearted commitment to what he or she describes as Torah-true Judaism and a concomitant rejection of outside values.

By this point, the author has become an enthusiastic, full-fledged baal teshuvah (a man; a woman is described as a baalot teshuvah), the Jewish version of a born-again Jew (hence the title of Lesher’s book). The term literally means a master of return, denoting a return to all-encompassing Jewish life, a lifestyle characterized by a commitment to an sometimes-unbending, sometimes-flexible series of commandments and beliefs, an uncompromising life that the author’s parents or grandparents had often forsaken.

Together, these books provide a counter-weight to the spate of books and films in recent years that have documented the migration of dissatisfied men and women, mostly young, from orthodox upbringings, often haredi (aka “ultra-orthodox”), who have become disaffected from their strictly religious milieus and opted for a non-observant lifestyle.

Lesher made the reverse trip, joining the ranks of the Orthodox.
Lesher, who lives, in many ways, a traditional Jewish life, observing the Sabbath and the biblical dietary laws and sending his children to Jewish day schools for their Jewish and general education, is a full-flegded baal teshuvah, living in a northern New Jersey community whose Jewish population is largely comprised of fellow baalei teshuvah (the Hebrew plural; “B.T.s” in the nomenclature of Orthodox Jews). But, a noted activist attorney who has challenged the acceptance of sexual abuse that characterizes part of the Orthodox community, and an advocate for the abuse victims, he has written a spiritual biography that is every bit as iconoclastic as his liberal political approach to Jewish life in the United States and in Israel.

He had not intended, he writes, to enter the realm of what he had considered “a disease I associated with the old, and from which I thought I enjoyed a lifelong immunity” – but intellectual honesty required that he examine the creed that had sustained the Jewish people since Mount Sinai.

Lesher asked himself, in essence, “what does it all mean?” And he asked his parents about their tenuous relationship with Judaism. “I began to write this book,” he says, “when it occurred to me that my children may one day have a similar quarrel with me. Maybe they will resent me for narrowing their own range of religious choice.”

He is, as his memoir shows, a decidedly unorthodox Orthodox Jew, an unconventional newcomer to a society that thrives on convention. He is, as is the wont of an effective lawyer, an unsparing, unremittent asker of questions – of himself, of members of the Jewish community, and of its leaders. He is, by any reasonable measure, a moderate theologically in a movement often associated with extremism – a type of behavior that his book shows he decidedly eschews. “I have not remained in Orthodox complacently … I have continued to change and to question.”

He veers from the blind acceptance of dogma to which believers of any faith naturally gravitate.

“I’ve moved into the framework of Orthodox Judaism, but my questions haven’t stopped there,” he writes in the introduction. “They have only evolved. And I’ve evolved with them.”

Though Lesher philosophically follows his own path within the structure and strictures of Judaism’s most conservative branch, he neither lauds without reservation the life that he has chosen, nor serves as a mouthpiece for Orthodox Judaism’s critics. “I am not writing in order to preach Orthodox Judaism to the reader, nor am I offering an expose of my coreligionists’ failings or shortcomings,” he stresses. “This my own story, and for better or worse it’s more about transformation than certainty.”

No missionary to unschooled Jews is he. His focus, he makes clear, is not to preach to others, but, in the argot of the Orthodox community, to “work on himself.”

While many autobiographies of this Jewish genre write disparagingly of the religious upbringing – or lack thereof – they experienced in their childhood (homes where non-kosher food was served, Hebrew school lessons whose best feature was the closing bell, synagogues that the family visited at most twice a year – if even that often), Lesher avoids falling into that disrespecting-one’s-parents-with-faint-praise trap. He concentrates instead on his journey, on his final spiritual destination, not on the failings of his past.

He largely skips over that predictable part of a raised-in-the-USA-Jew’s personal history, and starts his narrative – he has a good eye for dialogue and descriptive detail – with the salient part of his emerging path to “fully Orthodox” Judaism as a young adult, highlighting some of his internal conflicts, and disagreements with the zeitgeist of the community in whose midst he would live, but some of the prevailing values he would battle.

He receives from others, but does not offer, easy answers for the questions he continues to pose to himself and to his religion’s thought leaders.

Along the way he offers insights into the neighborhoods where he lived, the yeshivas where he studied, the intricacies of Talmudic study that he mastered to an acceptable degree, the theological challenges he encountered, the apparently arcane customs he came to understand, the exotic (to outsiders) dating rituals, and the interesting characters – of various levels of renown – whom he befriended.

He doesn’t romanticize or patronize the lives of the Orthodox men and women, many of them part of the “black hat,” “yeshivishe” (“ultra-Orthodox”) world he inhabits, but paints them in realistic, flesh-and-blood terms, with the foibles and strengths of anyone.

Weaving in some academic sources to augment his poetic voice, Lesher’s literary skill (not automatic for someone schooled in composing turgid legal briefs) is making the unfamiliar (to him, at first; to non-Orthodox Jews and to non-Jews) seem familiar. And natural. And logical, though many Orthodox actions and beliefs inevitably seem illogical to anyone who did not grow up within the confines of what its practitioners call “Torah-true Judaism.”

Lesher doesn’t apologize for features of Orthodox Jewish life that he clearly does not share or appreciate; he doesn’t condemn or hector; he simply conveys what he has experienced, and offers an insight into the vagaries of the people who have alternately influenced, infuriated, puzzled or judged or inspired him.

His tacit message: every group has its quirks – allow us ours. Neither he, nor the culture surrounding Orthodox Judaism, is perfect, he stresses. His book documents how a newcomer to the exclusiveness of a “religious” Jew, as many Orthodox Jews would consider only themselves, to the exclusion of members of other denominations, or of no Jewish affiliation, must buy the whole package in order to fit in or to be considered properly orthodox

Lesher tells how he changed, or how change was forced upon him.
For instance, his name.

He describes an initial encounter with a rabbi at a B.T. yeshiva, an institute of advanced Talmudic learning, where he wanted to study the intricacies of the Oral Law and the folkways of an intensely Orthodox community.

“You’ll gain from us,” the rabbi told him, calling Lesher mee-kho-el.
From his first day at the yeshiva, “I almost never heard myself called anything else. Mee-kho-el. The full significance of this did not strike me for a long time, but … it bears on the shift in identity that was so much a part of my experience of those days. At the yeshiva, I ceased to be Michael. I had not only changed my dress, my location, the nature of my reading, the language in which I would mainly study. I had even changed my name. Or rather, it had been changed for me. No one had asked me.”

The question of his name’s pronunciation was more symbolic than substantive. It did not shake his attachment to the Orthodox community, or his commitment to the cause (defending the interest of abuse victims) that he sees as an expression of his Jewish values.

Though Lesher has devoted much of his professional life to aiding abuse victims, frequently attracting the ire of the Orthodox establishment, he does not deal with that in the pages of his autobiography. He concentrates on the route that brought him to his current spiritual life, not what his professional life has consisted of since then; on introspection, and on his personal obligations.

Though much in his life has changed, one part of his approach to life has remained constant : his proclivity to ask probing questions. Which has served him well in his legal career.

“Where are the questions?” he asks. “Why aren’t B.T.s questioning Orthodoxy as they once questioned secular culture?” Why, he asks, does the yeshiva pedagogic culture, which is built on a question and answer – or a question and resolution – ethos, not foster a spirit of questioning itself and its own theological/cultural underpinnings?

He offers no easy answers – but, in part of the Orthodox world, questioning the foundations of one’s faith and behavior, or showing doubts about accepted wisdoms, is simply out of bounds. Who wants to be a pariah? Most B.T.’s, he concludes, don’t.

“People fascinated by tradition are unlikely to ‘wish to forget’ their own pasts, unless of course their new community finds those pasts unassimilable,” he writes. “No B.T. I know really believes his nonreligious past encompasses ‘all in life’ outside Orthodoxy – but this is the way born-Orthodox Jews tend to view the newcomers … a B.T. could hardly deny a spiritual challenge to the culture in which he first experienced his own religious stirrings.”

The author’s retrospective conclusion about his choice to position himself within the world, and demands, of Orthodox Judaism: “I do know that my attitude toward Orthodoxy isn’t the conventional Orthodox one … I’m different from many others who have entered orthodoxy.”

With a healthy contrarian and libertarian spirit, he retains enough of his old self to look at his insider life through the eyes of an outsider. He questions when others accept. He contradicts when others acquiesce. He shakes his head when others nod. He moves to the left when much of his community veers to the right. “I’ve become sort of exile within an exile – an exile within Orthodoxy.”

Despite the inconsistencies he cites in the actions of some Orthodox Jews, or those who purport to lead authentically religious lives, as well as the discomfort he might feel when his wider, humanistic leanings confront the narrower demands of a card-carrying Orthodox Jew, Lesher writes that he still is at peace with the choice he made to embrace Orthodox Judaism.

“I don’t regret the decision I made to turn back on everything that makes up my life, to examine and reexamine, to widen the context of my identity by locating myself within an older history and tradition.” This, despite the limitations on what he can or cannot do, within the confines of halacha, normative Jewish law. No going to the movies on a Saturday. Or writing then, “no matter how deeply the desire stirs.” Or other such no-no temptations. Such actions “are off limits.”

“It’s unsatisfying to fall back on a rule out of mere habit,” he writes. “Sometimes I miss the simplicity of my old non-religious days. Yet I still think that the demands have been worth the trip … my journey has introduced me to a world that contains as rich an experience of life as any I’ve ever heard of.

I’ve experienced the most tantalizing of discoveries: I’ve experienced a part, a very deep part of myself – a part I never would have known if I hadn’t taken a step back from me as I am now to consider my moral and cultural antecedents … it has never been dull.”

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Michael Lesher
Michael Lesher
Dec 1, 2020 11:19 PM

It’s not the place of a book’s author to comment on a review. However, for any readers who think it might make sense to have a glance at my work — or even at some readily-available context — before pontificating about the contents, I offer a few details, as well as a link to the site where the book may be previewed and purchased (if desired).

My previous nonfiction book — Sexual Abuse, Shonda and Concealment in Orthodox Jewish Communities (McFarland & Co., 2014) — is concerned entirely with sex abuse cover-ups among Orthodox Jews and treats, in some detail, my own work in connection with that issue. This most recent book, Turning Back, is a memoir dealing specifically with my transformation from secular agnostic to Orthodox Jew, a process that was complete long before I had anything to do with sex abuse cases. The gentleman who suggested that I had some sort of ulterior motive for omitting sex abuse from the memoir might want to reconsider his accusation in light of these facts. To date, I remain the only author (let alone the only Orthodox Jewish author) to devote an entire book to the topic.

My other recent book is a collection of poetry called Surfaces (The High Window, 2019).

Besides those works, I’ve co-authored a book on the failings of the American family court system in child abuse cases, and another one narrating the story of a survivor of Auschwitz and Bergen-Belsen.

Comments about my books (and some previews of them, too) are readily available via on-line sales outlets, not to mention through my own website, http://www.MichaelLesher.com, which also offers links to the books’ reviews. So there really shouldn’t be any confusion about them — except perhaps in confused minds.

Here’s the link for Turning Back, from which anyone, by clicking on “Follow the Author,” can find all basic information about my other books as well:
https://www.amazon.com/dp/1947187058?ref_=pe_3052080_397514860

I wish to express my gratitude to Off-Guardian’s editors for publishing the review.

DunGroanin
DunGroanin
Dec 3, 2020 9:49 AM
Reply to  Michael Lesher

Mr Lesher, as I wrote some days ago -I thought it was an ‘interesting’ review of an interesting book and I asked about the relevance of the pronunciation in it of your name – a genuine question.

Maybe you can elaborate quickly.

I also pointed out my personal first hand experience of the community in London and briefly other Orthodox Religions , alluding to the culture imbued in their children.

I don’t know if that is one of the comments you refer to ? It is now available here
https://off-guardian.org/2020/11/29/review-turning-back-the-personal-journey-of-a-born-again-jew/#comment-282514

I would be interested in your answer.

Will check out your links as well.

Hareofthedog
Hareofthedog
Dec 1, 2020 9:35 PM

So who isnt Jewish at Off Guardian HQ

crank
crank
Dec 2, 2020 6:41 PM

Why do you think it’s relevant?

So, why is this article ?

Daniel Spaniel
Daniel Spaniel
Dec 1, 2020 8:59 PM

yes.. I read.. but the piece went on and on and on.. he doesn’t do this.. he doesn’t do that.. like I give a fuck? I got too bored..

Dayne
Dayne
Dec 1, 2020 1:05 PM

I have no qualms with the article as such. But surely religion is a deeply personal affair and a lifelong struggle to change oneself. Therefore I don’t quite see the point of sharing the details of one’s journey with the general public.

Steven Augustine
Steven Augustine
Dec 1, 2020 6:03 AM

Hey Mod Persons! I’m subscribed (or at least tried to re-subscribe) but replies to comments no longer appear in my mail, after your upgrade, and an OffGuard avatar is no longer in my “subscriptions” folder… can you please help or advise? Thanks! SA

Steven Augustine
Steven Augustine
Dec 2, 2020 5:27 PM

No biggie but it was a useful convenience!

JuraCalling
JuraCalling
Nov 30, 2020 8:49 PM

”in an identifiably Jewish but resolutely secular family,”

Quite an interesting observation to open. I’m not really that sure how a family can be ‘identifiably’ Jewish- or followers of any of the other faiths- yet be ‘resoluttey secular’. If you’re resolute in standing back from al faiths and religion how can anyone spot that as ‘identifiably Jewish’. Maybe that ability to quickly ‘change hats’ that Judaism comes with allows this apparent contradiction. Depending on the circumstances it can be a religion, or a more loose ‘ideology’ or a good old fashioned ‘way of life’. I suppose that was good enough to rope me in to see..

We are then immediately informed of the subject of the book has become a born-again-Jew. We are also given what is the first of many Jewish Terminology For Beginners phrases which get old quite fast.

”The term literally means a master of return, denoting a return to all-encompassing Jewish life”

Another odd contradiction. Can anyone return to somewhere they haven’t been before ?

” a lifestyle characterized by a commitment to an sometimes-unbending, sometimes-flexible series of commandments and beliefs”

That’s quite an interesting statement. By definition a commandment is a commandment, not a negotiation. Yet here we have a faith that allows the indoctrinated bend the rules. Who knew. By this time I’d guessed that our hero was based somewhere in or around New York. 

” Lesher made the reverse trip, joining the ranks of the Orthodox. Lesher, who lives, in many ways, a traditional Jewish life..”

is soon joined by :

”He is, as his memoir shows, a decidedly unorthodox Orthodox Jew”

As if the self contradictions weren’t enough already, we now have the author creating some for effect.

He does make an attempt to resolve this spiritual torment and indecision by saying he has, and is, evolving and transforming. A bit like Science really. But less obvious or convincing.

He claims he doesn’t want to preach his own beliefs or the shortcomings of others or influence anyone and be a mouthpiece. I suppose we can add ‘writing a book about all the above’ to the ever growing list of contradictions.

Considering this is a book review of someone’s autobiography there seems to be little in the way of relevant detail.

”He largely skips over that predictable part of a raised-in-the-USA-Jew’s personal history, and starts his narrative – he has a good eye for dialogue and descriptive detail ”

A good start to an auto biography- skip the early life and what shaped you. As for the author’s’ eye for dialogue and descriptive detail’, we have only his word. Normally when such a statement is is made, it is accompanied by at least a quote from the book to qualify it. It’s like the other fawning observation :

Weaving in some academic sources to augment his poetic voice, Lesher’s literary skill ”

Example ?

We’re soon back on track and the agenda finally emerges as we passover the bump in the road :

”His tacit message: every group has its quirks – allow us ours.”

This brilliant poetic born again lawyer should really lift his head and open his eyes and look and listen. Does he not realise that to break wind within 3 miles of a Synagogue is deemed to be A- anti-semitic or B- an act of terrorism.

”Though Lesher has devoted much of his professional life to aiding abuse victims, frequently attracting the ire of the Orthodox establishment, he does not deal with that in the pages of his autobiography. ”

Well why would he. His idea is to use his ‘eye for narrative’ and his ‘poetic voice’ that chooses to leave details of his formative years out of his ‘personal journey of discovery’ so why not leave out other details of your life such as your career and what you do to aid the community and earn your crust. This is obviously his idea of some kind of post modern autobiographical writing.

Instead we stay on the lone furrow :

”I do know that my attitude toward Orthodoxy isn’t the conventional Orthodox one … I’m different from many others who have entered orthodoxy.”

This doesn’t resemble any auto biography at all. It’s basically, according to the reviewer, a very long treatise about Judaism and Jewry parading as some Road -To- Damascus myth.
Only the tiniest of splinters can be found that give any actual interesting detail of the author’s life. For instance how he became a successful Jewish Lawyer in New York and just how successful. Such things are paramount if you want to see a rags to riches made-for-DVD story. It doesn’t matter if the rags or riches are literal or spiritual.

On the bright side, it would make a good stocking – filler this Christmas for Keir Starmer. He too is ”resolutely secular but identifiably Jewish”. So much so, that as leader of the opposition in the UK ( formerly known as Labour), he refuses anyone membership if they don’t share his stance and removes those who had been admitted before he took over. He’s the Israeli party now. So maybe my Christmas recommendation is anti semitic ( Heaven forbid). Get him a copy for pretend Hanukkah.

I apologise in advance for staying on -topic. I did it in the interest of balance.

DunGroanin
DunGroanin
Dec 3, 2020 10:01 AM
Reply to  JuraCalling

Jura! What can I say?

Just Brilliant. Thanks.

Schmitz Katze
Schmitz Katze
Nov 30, 2020 8:34 PM

Chutzpah is what comes to mind reading this article
from NOVEMBER 17 jpost.com
https://www.jpost.com/health-science/could-an-mrna-vaccine-be-dangerous-in-the-long-term-649253

Excerpts:
„Could mRNA COVID-19 vaccines be dangerous in the long-term?
„There is a race to get the public vaccinated, so we are willing to take more risk.’
„When Moderna was just finishing its Phase I trial, The Independent wrote about the vaccine and described it this way: “It uses a sequence of genetic RNA material produced in a lab that, when injected into your body, must invade your cells and hijack your cells’ protein-making machinery called ribosomes to produce the viral components that subsequently train your immune system to fight the virus.”

„-BUT MICHAL LINIAL, a professor of biological chemistry at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem, told the Post that she believes there is no cause for concern.-
“Classical vaccines were designed to take 10 years to develop. I don’t think the world can wait for a classical vaccine.” –

„But when asked if she would take the vaccine right away, she responded: “I won’t be taking it immediately – probably not for at least the coming year,” she told the Post. “We have to wait and see whether it really works.” „

Martin Usher
Martin Usher
Nov 30, 2020 8:27 PM

I don’t see any contradiction between being Orthodox and yet remaining outside the cult culture. I experienced an outstanding example of this through a Muslim colleague I worked with for several years. He was devout and sufficiently versed in scripture and practice of all Abrahamic religions to be an imam. He was also an American — born in the US from immigrant parents. He was scathing about the aspects of his religion that keeps it in our headlines — the internecine disputes and extremism which he regarded as manipulation by competing political factions. He probably did more for his religion than any PR campaign and he did it by example, just by being. He’s not unusual though; I’ve met many people who have strongly held beliefs who live, work and socialize with non-believers. All it takes is a bit of mutual respect (and resisting the temptation to proselytize).

All religions seem to grow sects that look inwards, that use their religion to make a cult and so step into dangerous nationalist and racial territory. It might be comfortable to join them, to be amongst one’s own, but its better for society to live with and interact with everyone.

mgeo
mgeo
Dec 1, 2020 6:00 AM
Reply to  Martin Usher

The exceptions only emphasise the overarching trend in all cases, everywhere and at all times.

gordens
gordens
Nov 30, 2020 7:07 PM

the 13th tribe is a very interesting book
yes
khazar sirs

i spamalot

tonyopmoc
tonyopmoc
Nov 30, 2020 6:30 PM

“France Paris Rothschild Bank Burning105,810 views
•28 Nov 2020”

Seamus Padraig
Seamus Padraig
Nov 30, 2020 6:30 PM

In response to a James Liggett post on Facebook, a user named ‘Jinren Chuah‘ posted this Bitchute video containing a collage of pictures from what is supposed to have been the massive protest yesterday in London. Was anybody from this group there? What was it like? It looks raucus, but not violent (which is a good thing).

Schmitz Katze
Schmitz Katze
Nov 30, 2020 8:48 PM
Reply to  Seamus Padraig

Have you seen the RT video? It looks violent to me..

Seamus Padraig
Seamus Padraig
Dec 1, 2020 10:57 PM
Reply to  Schmitz Katze

Thanks for the vid. Looks like most of the violence is being caused by the police.

DunGroanin
DunGroanin
Dec 3, 2020 10:36 AM
Reply to  Seamus Padraig

As is obvious – the real goal is to train the ‘civilian police’ to become anti civil.

The U.K. has a long held belief and ‘tradition’ that the police are part of the community- they can only operate with the acquiescence of these that they are hired on behalf of. It used to be mostly the riffs of the local communities acros he country.

Most policefolk would have believed in their Civil status. When the naive cadets who joined up in the drive by the Met a generation ago with a substantial starting salary ran into the institutional ‘practices’ of the Met and their seniors – many walked.
These that stayed and tried to progress up the ladder to make a difference also ran into being backstabbed by their fellows if they tried to break their cozy Masonic xenophobic ways….that’s another story.

The local plod has had to be removed from the hood. They couldn’t be relied on to deliver the ultraviolence and indiscriminate policing. They were increasingly replaced by the SPG types – trained like attack dogs and transported in their cages of black vans – to arrive screeching like the A team ( more like the SS team!) and come piling out breaking heads!

The British Bobby is facing extinction.

The young cadets are being trained to oppress these they have joined up to serve and protect.

These demos are their live training exercises with a put together group of ‘protesters’ and agit prop moles there to provide the targets for the young coppers.

If you stop fixing your gaze on the protestors and instead focus on the police activity (in fact the hilarious inactivity of other plod in the background) the simulation and training exercise ti harden up the ‘troops’ with a ‘live fire exercise, becomes all too obvious.

Seamus Padraig
Seamus Padraig
Dec 3, 2020 1:00 PM
Reply to  DunGroanin

Same in the US, basically. Many cities are now bringing in Israelis to train the police–you know, to treat us like Palestinians. The municipal police departments are a lost cause, I think. Thank God we at least still have elected county sheriffs!

DunGroanin
DunGroanin
Dec 4, 2020 1:49 AM
Reply to  Seamus Padraig

The U.K. too is being returned to ‘sheriffs’
– remember it is one of your immgarant concepts – ala Sheriff of Nottingham.

The police forces here are regional entities and ‘independent’ from each other along County’ demarcations.
Their Chief Constables responsible to the local authorities. Some were/are good in the sense they aren’t as bad as others. The bad ones are power mad and power hungry. Scotland Yard is receding into history. The local policeman on the beat has gone. Community policing is a misnomer now.

Instead.

Gated communities are virtually everywhere in the rich areas of the metropolises. Becoming policed by ‘private security’ who monitor all outsiders.

Increasingly neighbourhoods are becoming locked in – roads are shut off to through traffic and cameras and number plate recognition (NPR) enforces the rules ( the Congestion Charge in London proved the concept and softened the public to that loss of freedom – which in turn followed on from the City of London installing road entry sentries with their own old Police force – separate from their he Metropolitan police that runs the rest of Greater London.

Soon the facial recognition and virtual id’s that we all possess – phones , cards will alert the local sheriff to the intrusion and guide them to the perpetrators immediately.!

‘Masks’ – for all such identities, may be the only way of defeating their machinations!!

Why
Why
Nov 30, 2020 5:42 PM

I have yet to find a group opposing the Covid fraud, allowed on the inter-webs or media that didn’t have a far-right agenda, mostly to eradicate socialism from the planet. It is a bit like an American election. Which side do you choose, the fake – left – totalitarian-Corporatist or the neo – fascist- totalitarian – Corporatist.

The last French election imported the American model, and asked, do you want a vulgar fascist (Le Penn) or a neoliberal asshole (Macron). Choices choices, so many choices.

Enest Judd
Enest Judd
Nov 30, 2020 6:08 PM
Reply to  Why

Looking for answers vis a vis the horizontal divide is the distraction. The absolute, real divide is vertical, otherwise known as class.

Ifwhen
Ifwhen
Nov 30, 2020 6:13 PM
Reply to  Enest Judd

Do you think hinting at another political parallel universe enough? You need to put mean on the bones.

Ifwhen
Ifwhen
Nov 30, 2020 6:14 PM
Reply to  Ifwhen

*meat on the bones.

Jeffrey Strahl
Jeffrey Strahl
Nov 30, 2020 6:16 PM
Reply to  Why

Off-Guardian was created as a left split from the Guardian. Global Research is not remotely a far right website. And i happen to consider myself an anarcho-communist, my closest affiliates all left activists in the San Francisco Bay Area. Enough of your absurd allegations. The Great Reset is not a socialist project, but one pushed by the hard core of global capitalism.

Ifwhen
Ifwhen
Nov 30, 2020 6:32 PM
Reply to  Jeffrey Strahl

This site is not left-wing in any way. I don’t know what it has been in the past, but I have not seen many left-wing articles here in the last 8 months. For whatever reason it serves up many alt-right inspired articles, it is up to them what they print, it’s not my business. But lets not call them what they are not.

messenger charles
messenger charles
Nov 30, 2020 9:21 PM
Reply to  Ifwhen

They only have one problem = spineless when it comes to the unmentionables.

Seamus Padraig
Seamus Padraig
Dec 5, 2020 9:05 PM
Reply to  Ifwhen

CJ Hopkins, Vanessa Beeley and Edward Curtin are all pretty leftwing. For a while, we even had a pro-Trump Maoist named Bill Martin being reposted here. The main problem with the left today–and this is probably why OG has to repost so much stuff from libertarian sites–is that most of them are either frothing at the mouth from TDS, or else aggressively pushing the Covid-hoax. Of course, sometimes Kit and Catte write their own original commentary, and that tends to be very leftwing … in good way!

Seamus Padraig
Seamus Padraig
Nov 30, 2020 6:34 PM
Reply to  Why

I propose that we saved mankind from the Great Reset first. Later on, once that’s been take care of, we’ll have all the time in the world to argue about marginal tax rates.

But for me, defeating the Fascist Reset takes priority. After all, if we fail, we’re not only going to lose democracy–to the extent that we ever really had that anyway–we’re going to lose our very freedom of the will as a species.

JuraCalling
JuraCalling
Dec 1, 2020 12:49 AM
Reply to  Why

You know all the jargon scented phrases and use every single one incorrectly in an attempt to sound smart.

I have yet to find a group opposing the Covid fraud, allowed on the inter-webs or media that didn’t have a far-right agenda, mostly to eradicate socialism from the planet.

There are plenty of groups, on and offline, opposing the Covid 19 fraud. It’s because it’s a fraud. It’s because it’s an attempt to destroy economies, to make the population scared and dependent, and to use counterfeit studies and data to push poison into our bloodstream.

The reason you don’t recognise this is because you don’t understand that it’s really that simple. It’s about the right to retain our human sovereignty and dignity in a world free of rulers that are driven by blood lust, greed and psychosis. It’s fk all to do with left or right.

Kalen
Kalen
Nov 30, 2020 5:19 PM

Spirituality is definitely expression of humanity, unfortunately organized religions have historically proven themselves evil as they act not for man’s spiritual needs of connection to community and environment but for their own institutional interests and power.

As many psy-ops like COVID or GW campaigns although having some scant material foundations justly inviting skepticism and doubt are turned into quasi religious pseudo scientific cults of radical technology as the only remedy for perceived calamities whilst fundamental systemic changes to social organization assuring self governance, self sustainability, equality, equity and egalitarianism are pushed beyond reproach assuring continuation of beneficial for power elites status quo which is mostly responsible for those calamities.

what is really needed is doubt, skepticism, humility and recognition of limitations of science and any human endeavors as they historically stem from the same root of imperfect inquiry into reality that surrounds us.

Why
Why
Nov 30, 2020 5:49 PM
Reply to  Kalen

GW had religious status, because they knew the science would never be strong enough to justify the measures they wanted to impediment, they make it an act of faith to believe in it. GW even had its own virgin child saint to make the illusion of devine truth complete.

Enest Judd
Enest Judd
Nov 30, 2020 6:11 PM
Reply to  Why

CoVid1984 is much worse, utilizing the same methods as you describe.
We get the “Fear Tyranny”, 24/7/365

While
While
Nov 30, 2020 4:56 PM

China calls out Australia’s murder of the innocent in Afghanistan, who the west illegally invaded. Just listen to the fake indignation from Australian war criminals, who are called out for their crimes by ‘evil’ China. They like to condemn but hate it when they are called out for their terrible crimes.

Chinese communist regime has ‘disgraced itself’ for the entire world to see

Kalen
Kalen
Nov 30, 2020 11:34 PM
Reply to  While

Is that response why Chinese halted all Australian coal imports, leaving 153 vessels with coal stranded at or near Chinese ports?

Phony righteous indignation of criminal Australian PM, in fact redirecting attention and harsh criticism from his own disastrous and deadly policies at home amid perhaps worse Australian COVID scandal in the world, running government that historically use genocide to “civilize” true custodians of native Australian land that was turned to penal colony by British colonists, is simply stunning worthy of a sleazy political opportunist or a murderer who got caught.

So called response to Chinese propaganda harshly reminding about documented blatant murders and illegal aggression against foreign land and people of Afghanistan to name few offenses perpetrated by Australian military as a part of “Coalition” of murderers is shameful and nothing but delusional British Colonial style patronizing Chinese people, past victims of brutal British colonialism and its racist and elitist-supremacist attitudes.

Moreover it is extremely hypocritical especially because the same government covered up those same crimes for a decade, censoring , gagging, threatening and jailing journalists in a way resembling torturous treatment and Assange who with WIKILEAKS revealed murderous ways of abhorrent US Imperial regime and US imperial lap dogs like NATO and Australian military.

It is not to praise Chinese fascist regime that has more in common with Australian or American or British or European fascist regimes in their mass state surveillance, autocratic rule and socioeconomic and financial monopoly control under facade of fake individual freedoms, phony economic liberties and sham of democratic process, than tribal lands of Afghanistan.

What’s worse is that Chinese elites already stepped toward the same global imperial war path on collision with the west, fighting for control of global oligarchy and then for control over global population and that fundamental conflict, together with global unrest among working people due to collapse of national economies, not Trump concern about US jobs, was behind apparent western de-globalization polices. Australian benefited from western globalization and will be hurt by Policies of de-globalization and confrontation with Chinese power.

Moneycircus
Moneycircus
Nov 30, 2020 4:32 PM

UK Column News – 30th November 2020
PART ONE

TRUE CONSENT AS DEFINED IN THE 1800s
FOR ELOQUENCE AND INSIGHT GO BACK 200 YEARS

An act of reason accompanied with deliberation, the mind weighing, as in a balance, the good or evil on each side. Every true consent supposes three things: a physical power, a mental power and a free and serious use of them. Hence it is that if consent be obtained by mediated imposition, circumvention, surprise or undue influence, it is to be treated as a delusion and not as a deliberate and free act of the mind. For although the law will to generally examine into the wisdom or prudence of men in disposing of their property or in binding themselves by contracts or other acts; yet it will not suffer them to be entrapped by the fraudulent contrivances, cunning or deceitful management of those who purposely mislead them.”

UK ACQUIRES 5 VACCINE DOSES FOR EVERY PERSON
357 MILLION DOSES FOR A POPULATION OF 65 MILLION
David Scott: This looks like it’s about profits for Big Pharma not the people’s health.

VOLUNTEER VACCINATORS BEING HIRED AT GBP 135 A DAY
ROLE WILL BE TO EXTRACT CONSENT, HANDLE ADVERSE DRUG REACTION
A volunteer vaccinator “will assist if there is an adverse reaction”.
Former scientific advisor to Pfizer Dr Micheal Yeadon said this was the most frightening thing he’s read.

Royal Voluntary Service and NHS are recruiting volunteers – but the website doesn’t mention it until you drill down in the search for Covid and vaccinators. It has been in the local press, because of course they have to reach the potential volunteers.

Brian Gerrish: The BBC tells us the vaccine is absolutely safe so why this bother about adverse reactions? After Simon Dolan and Michael Yeadon Tweeted this information, the Mockingbird Media was forced to print something.

TRAINING THE VACCINE PRACTITIONERS

  • PHE trains staff to understand the policy behind the Covid vaccine policy.
  • Before volunteering you should train in anaphylaxis and basic life support.
  • In exceptional circumstances, MHRA may enact Reg. 174 – allowing the supply of unlicensed medicinal products in health risks like SARS-CoV-2
  • “Consent is a process, not a one off discussion”. Patients must have the information and capacity to make the decision.
  • “Informed consent is a legal requirement but rather than abandon the offer of immunization, ask for advice from an experienced colleague.”

Brian Gerrish: This is being couched in very uncertain, careful language because the gov and NHS are not sure of their ground.

David Scott: Gov through the state broadcaster the BBC has decided not to give the other side of the story. GCHQ is being used to clamp down on nasty anti-vaxxers.
This cannot be informed consent. Only state approved information. Only propaganda.

TRUEPUBLICA EXAMINES LAW BREAKING BY UK GOV
Proroguing of Parliament was unlawful
Clearing house to control freedom of info requests
Instructing departments how to respond
Collect info on journalists who submit FOI requests

David Scott: TruePublica misses the point. It’s not about conflict with courts which are the problem. It’s the gov making illegal laws that oppress us. It’s not the law breaking that’s the problem but the illegal law making.

POLICE AT LONDON DEMO USE BATONS ON WOMEN OF ALL AGES
PROTESTS AROUND UK – 155 ARRESTED IN LONDON
One activist, a former soldier, said police seemed to be attacking women to try to provoke a response from men.
Individuals targeted and then pounced on by multiple police who go out of their way to inflict pain.

Stuart Bell, Met Police Chief Superintendent is responsible.
He blames breaking Covid rules, assaulting police and having drugs. Effectively he says you were warned how we were going to police this event so it’s your fault if you got hurt.
Brian Gerrish: This is not police, this is State enforcement by the Stasi.
Home Sec Priti Patel praises “our” police for stopping the spread of this “awful virus”

ISRAEL EXPORTS ITS ‘NECK KNEE’ AND BATON TECHNIQUES
BBC, Nov 2017: Priti Patel held undisclosed meetings in Israel.
UKC: Was she there to discuss policing? We don’t know as there are no minutes.

JC, Mar 2017: Europe’s police take anti-terror tips from Israel.
Israel’s national police spokesman Micky Rosenfled called on Britain to up its game in trying to combat terrorism.

“He believed that part of the problem was Europe’s open borders and, as a result, the difficulty of identifying and tracking potential terrorists: “That’s exactly the difference between Israel and Europe. Israel has strong, concrete intelligence. We know what house, what number, what name, what vehicle. We know almost to the last detail who lives where, who is moving around and who is communicating.”

Times of Israel, Sep 2017: For help fighting terror, London police look to Israel.

Brian Gerrish: Isn’t this the same policy we’ve seen introduced into Britain. This brutal policing we are sing, has it come from Common Purpose, through Europol or because of training with Israel?

SCOTLAND ST ANDREW’S DAY SPONTANEOUS CULTURAL CELEBRATION
Police arrest random man, accuse him of being the organizer. Thankfully Scottish police were not violent.

TEARS OF A MAN WHOSE BUSINESS WAS DESTROYED
WENT TO PROTEST – WAS ARRESTED, BROKE DOWN AND WEPT
Police look like robots, not recognizing a human being in distress.

WINNER OF PPE JACKPOT BUYS THIRD HOME – AND ONE FOR PARENTS – Sunday Times, Nov 29, 2020
A former Tory councillor was awarded GBP 276 MN in gov contracts for personal protective equipment has lucked out. Yay!

David Scott: The gov is enriching its friends by doling out contracts in a wartime economy without the usual tenders. That is how fascism works.

POST-BREXIT SUSTAINABLE NON-FARMING
MONEY SAVED FROM QUITTING C.A.P WILL NOT GO ON FOOD.
Direct payment to farmers will be cut by up to 50% to fund environmental improvements.

Aid will be repurposed under three levels
Tier 1 Sustainable Farming Incentive – for what farmers already do such as crop rotation
Tier 2 is local nature conservation
Tier 3 is for restoration of peatlands and marches

David Scott: This is about taking land out of production. Land that was developed for farming since the 1700s is no longer acceptable.

LEAN TIMES ON THE MENU?
Mike Robinson: What are the assumptions here. We have huge black holes in pension pots, and we are reducing food production in a country that is only 50or 60% self sufficient, what are they planning here?

David Scott: Either money is no longer real and can just be created.
Other assumptions might be the lifespan of the elderly or the amount of food people get to eat. It doesn’t seem to add up or be a normal response to human need.

As normal, UKC posts links to many of the above stories under the YouTube video.

Ifwhen
Ifwhen
Nov 30, 2020 6:15 PM
Reply to  Moneycircus

This is political trolling.

Moneycircus
Moneycircus
Dec 1, 2020 7:14 AM
Reply to  Ifwhen

Is Ifwhen related to While and When… let it be and allow people to exchange information.

Spend your efforts improving your own capacity for perception and analysis.

mgeo
mgeo
Dec 1, 2020 8:07 AM
Reply to  Moneycircus

A key point I see: The govt. has contracted 6 times as many doses of vaccines as the population. Public wealth will go to the cronies regardless of science, safety or benefit.

Paul Vonharnish
Paul Vonharnish
Nov 30, 2020 4:24 PM

“It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere.”

François-Marie Arouet

– Voltaire – (November 21, 1694 – May 30, 1778)

While
While
Nov 30, 2020 4:39 PM

Indeed, We have defeated the Covid lie, now lets bust open global warming.

John Goss
John Goss
Nov 30, 2020 4:23 PM

I don’t doubt this book has appeal to a certain audience. Not being Jewish it does not appeal to me after having read the review. What the review lacks is some anecdotal nugget that makes the reader sit up and say: “I’m going to go out and get that book.” I never found it in this review.

One of the best popular books I’ve read ever is “A stone for Danny Fisher” by Harold Robbins. It tells of a Jewish family going through the Great Depression. It also introduces non-Jews to Jewish culture and readers can identify as Danny goes through his Bar Mitzvah (coming from boyhood into manhood). It is a long time since I read it but I remember it was gripping stuff that glued your eyeballs to the page from start to finish. That was some fifty years ago.

I recently reviewed a short story by Thomas Hardy for my blog – it was actually more of a plot-line than review. But the story creased me up laughing and even now I’m not sure I should have laughed since it had all the depressive and fatal ingredients typical of Hardy’s longer works. But I am sure he intended dark humour because on the first page it mentions how the young lord’s father died having gone to Bath to take the waters. I thought I was reading P. G. Wodehouse.

Moneycircus
Moneycircus
Nov 30, 2020 4:11 PM

UK Column News – 30th November 2020
PART TWO

SCOTTISH HATE CRIMES BILL WOULD CRIMINALIZE “AGGRESSIVE” OPINION
CHILDREN COULD INCRIMINATE PARENTS IF THEY REPEAT LOOSE TALK

Anti-trans activists who “aggressively campaign” against trans women will be breaking the law, Scottish justice minister Humza Yousaf MSP confirms. The SNP Councillor said expressing an opinion is not itself criminal but if it can be proved that it was intended to stir up hatred (or deemed deliberately provocative) then it can be prosecuted.

David Scott: Women who might object to a person with non-female genitalia in the same restroom might fall foul of this if they ask that person to leave. Also if you campaign for your opinion, you will be prosecuted. Being inside your own home is no defence.

The Times, Nov 4, 2020 – Hate crime bill: Parents face prosecution if “insulting remarks” are repeated in playground.
“Children could unwittingly inform on their parents if their parents “insulting” remarks about transgender rights, immigration or refugees were repeated in the playground.”

The Irish Times: Human rights groups call for hate crime legislation in Ireland to be updated.
“It is not enough to be anti-racist but there is a need to be actively anti-racist” — Amnesty International

Hate crime was “any criminal offence which is perceived by the victim or any other person to, in whole or in part, be motivated by hostility or prejudice, based on actual or perceived age, disability, race, colour, nationality, ethnicity, religion (including non-believers), sexual orientation or gender.” – The Garda

David Scott: It is entirely subjective. The same totalitarian direction though Ireland seems to be moving more slowly than Scotland.

Philosopher Gerard Casey: Hate Crime is Thought Crime – article and video

SCOTTISH GOVERNMENT JOINS STONEWALL
Christian org – Scottish Civil Service pandering to Stonewall’s Trans Ideology.
Asks to join Stonewall’s ‘Diversity Champions Index’
– references to father, mother expunged from Scottish gov
Simon Calvert, Dep Dir for Public Affairs at The Christian Insitute says the move is not impartial. Many of Stonewall’s ideas are disputed in wider society, especially by women groups, faith groups and medics.

David Scott: The power of the government as an employer is used to change the way civil servants think. They write legislation to make the rest of us comply or risk being Tasered or arrested.

The Guardian: NHS to use celebrities in drive to encourage Covid vaccine take-up

The Times: Hate crime bill: saying trans women aren’t women could break the law.

The JC: Tory MPs and peers warned over use of the term “cultural Marxism”
– the Antisemitic Policy Trust said using the term could act as a “dog-whistle to the far right”.

“Writing for the JC, [MP Andrew] Percy, who is Jewish, said many of those who had used the term ‘Cultural Marxism’ had expressed surprise that it could be used by those wishing to making antisemitic arguments and that “several undertook not to use it again.”

Brian Gerrish: how does free speech withstand lobbying on this scale? We’ve now got lobbying in parliament telling MPs we can’t even discuss cultural Marxism.

David Scott: this is gaslighting, telling us that reality is not what you think it is. Some of the finest people who opposed cultural Marxism, including Murray Rothbard, were Jewish. The JC is concerned because cultural Marxism was largely Jewish when it arrived in America but that is not the point: it’s wrong, its harmful and it’s determined to destroy our society.

It is wrong to play some kind of identity politics where we decide our views based on our ethnicity.

UK Column News – 30th November 2020

While
While
Nov 30, 2020 4:42 PM
Reply to  Moneycircus

How ironic, if the people behind, ‘UK fifth Column News’ had their way, free speech would have been abolished years ago. The far right are not famous for their tolerance.

Moneycircus
Moneycircus
Nov 30, 2020 4:51 PM
Reply to  While

Watch the thrombosis desk soldier. A different name posts the same response every time.

From Far Away
From Far Away
Nov 30, 2020 5:12 PM
Reply to  While

[The far right are not famous for their tolerance.]

Ooh, ooh, it seems that the term “far right” has been the perfect dog whistle for you!

Si predictable, you are – like a wind-up toy.

wardropper
wardropper
Nov 30, 2020 3:48 PM

We never see so many straw-man arguments as when religion is involved.

Setting up a ridiculous fairy-tale characterization of ancient scriptures and their wisdom is something which most of the self-righteous anti-religion brigade routinely do, because it is, of course, so easy to shoot down such a characterization.
The range of people who do this extends all the way from ignorant teenagers to Christopher Hitchens, who had a very sharp mind, but basically used the same cheap trick over and over again.

I am convinced that for modern man, religion is a personal, inner journey, where proof is simply irrelevant, and in any case impotent, in the face of actual experience.

Nor is religion for everybody. The concept of The Good Shepherd makes it fairly clear that the flock was not expected to show signs of being spiritually enlightened itself, and heaven knows our modern society is currently demonstrating that it is littered with a colossal percentage of sheep. A lot of people just don’t function on genuine religion’s wavelength.

It seems to me that ‘enlightenment’, whatever that might turn out to be, comes in various degrees to various people in various places, and, although sometimes people with a great deal in common manage to find each other and form groups, the personal experience of each individual is still often at odds with that of others in the group.

The days of the Old Testament are over, but there are still people who are drawn to the concept of strict regulations, just as the obsolete Scribes and Pharisees of the New Testament were drawn, and just as our strict adherents to the covid reign of terror are today.

Trying to find meaning, significance, or even survival within that framework – the framework within which I believe we currently exist – is tough, but I am convinced that the battle is right there.

It’s our personal battle, in our personal mind. Nothing to do with what a religious institution says it ought to be.

Flex
Flex
Nov 30, 2020 3:44 PM

It is funny that the deep state are ready to throw Covid under the bus, by revealing the fraud, through ‘alternative’ sites, but the Global warming scam is the one they want to keep on the boil, for the next fleecing and mass extortion of our wealth.

Flexing
Flexing
Nov 30, 2020 4:17 PM
Reply to  Flex

”…..but basically used the same cheap trick over and over again.”

Logic, rational thinking, philosophy, sociology, psychology and physical science, those cheap tricks you mean? See brilliant site below, that blows you guys with your fairy stories out of the water, 1,000 times a week.

The Atheist Experience

https://www.youtube.com/user/TheAtheistExperience/videos

Flex
Flex
Nov 30, 2020 3:34 PM

Covid measures are just US sanctions by a different method, applied by compromised and threatened quisling agents of the US, in our country.

Just look at how sanctions against Venezuela, Russia & Iran over the past few years, have been used and what they achieved.

Iranian sanctions and the Russian sanctions were really aimed at Europe because the US was envious of its growing relationship with Iran and Russia, and how a none US hegemony zone was being created.

The US uses sanctions because they are shit at war. That is what covid is, world wide sections to assist the USA in its economic and political occupation of its victims states.

That is not conspiracy, that is simply history, why should we see Covid as anything different, when it is achieving exactly the same goals US sanctions tried to achieve against its victim states. The roll out of US Corporate domination, via Amazon, Paypal, Google, Amazon, Netflix, Apple, master-card, Visa, Zoom, Uber eats, AirBnB, Google university, etc….. it is a forced occupation and looting.

Flex
Flex
Nov 30, 2020 2:14 PM

This lock down is pointless of course, but it does serve the government ends. If they lockdown when the virus is natural disappearing, and when they have moved to a test that gives less positive results, they can pretend that the lockdown is working. Clear proof they are a competent government and didn’t murder 200,000 people for nothing.

Flex
Flex
Nov 30, 2020 2:42 PM
Reply to  Flex

I suspect they wanted the vaccine to be synchronised with the disappearing of the virus, or the disappearing of positive test results. But they will make do with proving the lockdown ‘worked’.

Flex
Flex
Nov 30, 2020 2:08 PM

The Hopkins report that shows there has been no increase in overall deaths in the USA, and that the total number of covid deaths, matches entirely the decrease in all other illness. Proof that normal deaths were renamed as covid. The first link is where they pulled the report with explanation of why, the second link is the report itself.
”A closer look at U.S. deaths due to COVID-19”

https://www.jhunewsletter.com/article/2020/11/a-closer-look-at-u-s-deaths-due-to-covid-19?fbclid=IwAR0EVA8IwN8E5GG8rGb-FmMP0I9AJCgPUJZCdPbM5MqOn7NmUjKD7eutOnk

PDF report itself.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1iO0K75EZAF8dkNDkDmM3L4zNNY0X-Xw5/view

THX-1154
THX-1154
Nov 30, 2020 7:25 PM
Reply to  Flex

the original seminar on which the article was based:

Flex
Flex
Nov 30, 2020 1:55 PM

”British Army’s Information Warfare Unit will be deployed to tackle anti-vaccine propaganda ahead of jab rollout”

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8997437/British-Armys-information-warfare-unit-deployed-tackle-anti-vaccine-propaganda.html

Voz 0db
Voz 0db
Nov 30, 2020 1:27 PM

Switching from one form of stupidity to another just means zero evolution…

Sol
Sol
Nov 30, 2020 12:59 PM

Religions are tribal myths based on the believe in evil.
hence religions (which are monotheistic by the way only 3, “the jewish christian and muslim ” are cults of veneration based on blood ritual, trauma bonding practices and believe and not actual facts) are purely evil.

Flex
Flex
Nov 30, 2020 1:47 PM
Reply to  Sol

We have better cults now, like the Global Warming cult, it’s popular with self loathing atheists, and you get to feel very superior, like like a Christian.

Sol
Sol
Nov 30, 2020 2:22 PM
Reply to  Flex

I think it is stupid to deny that our planet is getting hotter all the time, just like it is stupid to blame cow farts and nature for a phenomena which is the obvious result of carbon fossile and carbon/derivate pollution.

Also obvious should be that if instead of fighting with our fellow human beings over the color of our flag , we would join them in their effort to clean up the mess we are in, we would be actually able to succeed in our common task to stop pollution and protect our planet.

here in Finland last year we witnessed again first the hottest summer ever recorded in history and also the first winter ever recorded WITHOUT SNOW!

That as nothing to do with a particular religion except off course the most popular one “money”

Flex
Flex
Nov 30, 2020 2:35 PM
Reply to  Sol

”….which is the obvious result of carbon fossile and carbon/derivate pollution.”

Have you learned nothing from the covid operation and how these scams work? They are practically showing you the smoking gun and you refuse to learn.

Sol
Sol
Nov 30, 2020 3:17 PM
Reply to  Flex

No dude you are again denying facts.
I just told you of some which I and every older person I know in Finland can confirm.
Surely algore global worming business is a scam but you can not claim that the wether is not drastically changing everywhere and that carbon based emissions are the main cause of it.
If you like to believe, that is your choice, I choose logic and to my logic mind, you are already becoming a waste of my time.
If you insist in attacking me to keep your pompous and idiotic stand on defending fossil fuels, than I can only say to you, learn your lessons as I have and I am learning mine but please, don’t bother me anymore with your trolling campaign for the petrol industry.

Flex
Flex
Nov 30, 2020 3:40 PM
Reply to  Sol

I think it is impossible for the global temperature to stay the same. It must change and it will always change. You can show me many examples of that change, that proves nothing.
”….that carbon based emissions are the main cause of it.”

I can deny that carbon is causing it and I will. And you have NO proof that it is causing it. NONE. All you can show me is models and theoretical links. As I said haven’t you learned anything from Covid.

”your trolling campaign for the petrol industry.”

thick twat.

Flex
Flex
Nov 30, 2020 4:00 PM
Reply to  Sol

I think it is impossible for the global temperature to stay the same. It must change and it will always change. You can show me many examples of that change, that proves nothing.

”….that carbon based emissions are the main cause of it.”

I can deny that carbon is causing it and I will. And you have NO proof that it is causing it. NONE. All you can show me is models and theoretical links. As I said haven’t you learned anything from Covid.

”your trolling campaign for the petrol industry.”

thick twat.

you are clearly trolling for the next scam to impoverish us all, the global warming scam.

Flexing
Flexing
Nov 30, 2020 4:10 PM
Reply to  Sol

Is there anything in particular that has increased your trust in the scientific community of late?

Honestly, I despair……the entire destruction of your economy wasn’t enough, you want them to do it again. You are a victim, and I don’t blame the elites for wanting to rob you, you are a pathetic excuse of a man.

From Far Away
From Far Away
Nov 30, 2020 5:21 PM
Reply to  Sol

[… that carbon based emissions are the main cause of it.]

Unproven.

Flex
Flex
Nov 30, 2020 2:39 PM
Reply to  Sol

Weaponising a changing climate & a seasonal respiratory disease.

Comparing Cyclical planet temperature rise and Natural seasonal ‘flu’ and why global warming and Covid do not need to be real.

1. GW: Climate has always changed.
C19: Respiratory virus happen every year.

2. GW: Label all destructive weather events as being caused by GW.
C19: Label overloaded hospitals, a regular seasonal event, as unusual & caused by C19.

3. GW: Attribute cause solely to man made carbon emissions.
C19: Attribute hospitalisations solely to unknown/new virus.

4. GW: Despite historic precedent, pretend temperature growth can only go exponentially up, deny cycles, deny increased plant growth and deny any positive effects of a warming climate.
C19: Unscientifically pretend growth continues, deny herd immunity, deny seasonality, ignore natural immunity.

5. GW: Only fund research supporting carbon emissions narrative.
C19: Give financial incentives to falsely attribute deaths to Covid.

6. GW: Ridicule, marginalise, defund, dissenting scientist.
C19: Threaten & discredit doctors and medical staff with dismissal if they challenge official narrative.

7. GW: Attribute scientific decent to fossil fuel funded lobbyists. Discredit scepticism.
C19: Call all opposing voices far-right. Do not allow fact based dissent a platform.

8. GW: Employ ‘ugly’ bad faith actors to deny global warming is man made. Donald trump.
C19: Employ bad faith actors to discredit fact based opposition to Covid. David Icke.

9. GW: Treat as infallible faulty temperature measurements.
C19: In bad faith treat as infallible incorrect virus test results from inaccurate test.

10. GW: Call deniers murderers.
C19: Call deniers murderers.

11. GW: Feed ‘unsafe’ data into predictive models to ensure environmental catastrophe narrative and to justify extreme political measures.
C19: Feed ‘unsafe’ data into predictive models to predict medical catastrophe, to justify extreme measures.

12. GW: Use selective data, unsound predictions to propagate fear
C19: Use selective date (cases) & unsound predictions to propagate fear.

13. GW: Use ‘captured’ scientist & institutions to exaggerate dangers.
C19: Use ‘captured’ scientist & institutions to exaggerate dangers.

14. GW: Claim science is dictating social, economic and political policy.
C19: Claim science is dictating social, economic and political policy.

15. GW: Provide bad faith politicians with scientific cover for extreme economic and political policies.
C19: Provide bad faith politicians with scientific cover for extreme economic and political polices.

16. GW: Suppress alternative science results and views.
C19: Suppress alternative science results and views.

17. GW: The response involves transferring vast amounts of state wealth to Corporations.
C19: The response involved transferring vast amounts of state wealth to Corporations.

18. GW: Environmental projects like carbon capture and regulation will add burdens and inefficiencies on small businesses
C19: The lockdowns add uneconomic burdens and inefficiencies on small business.

19. GW: Use media to create only one narrative.
C19: Use media to create only one narrative.

20. GW: Censor opposing views and opposing science.
C19: Censor opposing views and opposing statistics.

21. GW: Use environmental regulations to reengineer economy to profit large Corporations.
C19: Use ‘lockdown’ to reengineer economy to favour large Corporations.

22. GW: Promise the left a ‘Green New Deal’ and an economy reengineered to socialist values. Whilst rolling out neoliberal agenda.
C19: Promise the left larger class sizes, universal wage. economy in tune to socialist values. Whilst rolling out neoliberal agenda.

23. GW: Attribute carbon regulatory burden & costs to the left.
C19: Attribute lockdowns to the left, even under right wing administrations.

24. GW: Scare conservatives with socialist ‘green new deal’, as socialism via the back door.
C19: Scare conservatives with ‘great reset’ as socialism via the back door.

25. GW: Position the left as anti-working class through closure of working class industries.
C19: Position the left as anti-working class through destruction of low paid service sector jobs.

26. GW: Ration freedom to travel overseas, except for the rich.
C19: Make freedom to travel overseas rare, expensive and difficult.

27. GW: Ration travel, make remote working over US tech platforms the norm.
C19: Restrict interpersonal contact, make remote working over US tech platforms the norm.

28. GW: Use the USA’s exemption from GW restrictions and regulations to gain economic competitive advantage over those burdened with costly environmental policies.
C19: Use lockdown to advantage Amazon, google, Facebook zoom, Google university, Air BNB, Uber eats, etc… overseas and force US corporations onto world economies.

29. GW: Through increased environmental regulations & increased costs strip wealth and opportunities and freedoms from the working population.
C19: Use poverty to further depress wages, cut healthcare, and social programmes in the name of the ‘crisis’.

30. GW: Through environmental regulation destroy small/medium size business at home and overseas to give large Corporations MORE economic advantage.
C19: through lockdowns destroy small/medium size business at home and overseas to give large Corporations MORE economic advantage.

31. GW: Use social peer pressure to force compliance to cult of the ‘environment’.
C19: Use social peer pressure to force compliance to cult of medical danger.

32. GW: ‘fighting for the planet’ is more important than everything else. Ignore unemployment & damage to the economy, as secondary.
C19: Only Covid deaths matter, they are more important than everything else. Ignore cancer deaths, unemployment, & damage to the economy.

33. GW: The response to global warming will cause more social political and economic damage, than increasing temperature ever could.
C19: The response HAS caused more social political and economic damage than the virus ever could.

34. GW: Can lead to a carbon passport to restrict freedoms.
C19: Can lead to medical passport to restrict freedoms.

Failure of GW: Too slow in delivering, too much opposition, failure to project enough panic, growing disbelief. Not enough fear.
Failure of C19: Caused too rapid change, has caused suspicion, has lead to exposure of hidden agendas. Will require Plan B, the exposure of the Covid fraud, likely next step to discredit what remains of our democratic institutions.

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Dec 1, 2020 6:21 AM
Reply to  Flex

Oh dear.

1. GW: Climate has always changed.

C19: Respiratory virus happen every year.

The oldest strawman in the book. Climate scientists know better than anyone that the climate has always changed, it would be ludicrous to argue otherwise. What they argue is that now it’s changing because of human action.

2. Another ludicrous strawman. Where is the claim that that all destructive weather events are caused by AGW? Nowhere. They say there is a greater number of destructive weather events. Obviously, there have been destructive weather events since time immemorial.

I’ll stop there. I do wonder how people can put forward arguments so lacking in rigour. I really do.

I’ve always admired the website skepticalscience.com in the way it maintains clarity and reason but I’m extremely disappointed in the originator of the website, John Cook, in the total “conspiracy theory” claptrap he puts forward on the virus and in the fact that, so typically of academics, he hasn’t responded to my emails about his claptrap.

Steven Augustine
Steven Augustine
Dec 1, 2020 10:09 PM

Determining factor in Earth’s climate: the very large fusion-reactor that is the solar system’s hub. The Sun has weather, this weather has cycles, the cycles are inescapable on pea-sized (relative to the Sun) Earth. C02 is a precious substance on Earth (as it’s tied directly to Oxygen production via the super-fine machinery of Earth’s C02-dependent Green Things). What we should all be unifying against is Monsanto and genocidal deforestation and river-killing instead of being useful idiots for Fossil Fuel Incorporated’s scheme to A) get control of anti-Fossil-Fuel movements by leading from behind the arras B) earn billions/trillions on abstract negative-carbon as a commodity

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Dec 8, 2020 5:16 AM

I only saw your comment now, Sophie.

One way the case for AGW has been made is by manipulating data to deny earlier non-man-made climate change.

I can see the claim was made about the Medieval Warm Period but can’t see it for the Little Ice Age. In the case of the former the claim has been debunked by Skeptical Science. Of course, there’s debunking and there’s debunking but from my evaluation it seems very well debunked both in the article itself and in the comments section where someone defending the claim has it explained how their defence doesn’t stand up. If you think that this claim hasn’t been debunked please let me know. With regard to the Little Ice Age can you please point me to the evidence for the claim of manipulation of data.
https://skepticalscience.com/IPCC-Medieval-Warm-Period.htm

While, as I say, I’m extremely disillusioned with John Cook on the nonsense he puts forward for COVID I think the Skeptical Science site is excellent in debunking arguments against man-made climate change and I thoroughly recommend it as a place to go whenever a debate over claims for either side occurs.

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Dec 8, 2020 5:30 AM

And just to add, when you’re a lay person what can be so very helpful is looking at the to-and-fro of debunking arguments. When you don’t really understand the science yourself often the ability of the debunking arguments to sustain themselves can be quite telling.

If the debunking argument is invalid it will often simply run out. Similarly, if it is valid it will sustain while the argument it attacks cannot.

We see this with PolitiFact and the OffG article, PCR tests are Scientifically Meaningless and with Popular Mechanics and David Ray Griffin’s book, Debunking 9/11 Debunking.

PolitiFact couldn’t sustain their debunking while Popular Mechanics couldn’t sustain against Griffin’s debunking.

mgeo
mgeo
Nov 30, 2020 3:11 PM
Reply to  Sol

The readership here is determined to put climate change in the same category as covid, and wish it away.

While
While
Nov 30, 2020 4:37 PM
Reply to  mgeo

How many people do you want to die before you find out that is a scam too?

Sol
Sol
Nov 30, 2020 4:49 PM
Reply to  mgeo

well yes.
Unfortunately the sure fact is that by doing so they are actually instigating more conflicts and division between us (the people) and feeding the very same carcinogenic industry which is unequivocally behind both problems.

From Far Away
From Far Away
Nov 30, 2020 5:24 PM
Reply to  Sol

[…they are actually instigating more conflicts and division between us (the people)…]

Frankly, that is a duplicitous shifting of the blame.

The people who have been denigrated and falsely decried as “evil” are now supposedly the ones “instigating more conflicts.”

Yeah right. Nice false labelling you did there. You must be such a nice and reasonable person.

Sol
Sol
Nov 30, 2020 4:56 PM
Reply to  mgeo

Also take my advise, don’t be as foolish as I often am, ignore the trolls.

Why
Why
Nov 30, 2020 5:16 PM
Reply to  Sol

What is it about recent events that has increased your trust in science & scientific research presented by politicans ?

Covid has just blown the doors off the whole global warming scam, by revealing the methods of deceit used to direct us, you are refusing to accept that fact, but it will not not go unnoticed by the population.

From Far Away
From Far Away
Nov 30, 2020 5:26 PM
Reply to  Sol

[Also take my advise, don’t be as foolish as I often am, ignore the trolls.]

Sorry, you are everywhere, so it is not that easy to ignore you.

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Dec 1, 2020 6:22 AM
Reply to  mgeo

Not me. See comment above.

From Far Away
From Far Away
Nov 30, 2020 5:20 PM
Reply to  Sol

[…a phenomena which is the obvious result of carbon fossile and carbon/derivate pollution.]

It is not obvious.

Edwige
Edwige
Nov 30, 2020 6:03 PM
Reply to  Sol

“Also obvious should be that if instead of fighting with our fellow human beings over the color of our flag , we would join them in their effort to clean up the mess we are in”

An obvious fake dialectic. Like it or not, national identity has been one of the most effective spurs to collective human action ever. Without it humans become just passive individual consumers easily manipulated by the elite’s latest crackpot scheme. Would Finland going back into the Russian Empire not matter to you because it’s just “the colour of our flag”?

Nations are essential firewalls if nothing else against the spread of global capitalism.

Awake
Awake
Dec 1, 2020 8:00 AM
Reply to  Sol

Ever heard of climategate? Also Greenhouse gas emissions by humans is so small compared to the overall amount of greenhouse gases present. Spike in temperatures have happened in pre industrial periods.

Paul Vonharnish
Paul Vonharnish
Nov 30, 2020 4:03 PM
Reply to  Flex

Hello Flex: I’m not into self loathing, as my personal cult director (myself) believes the descriptive term should become “Atmospheric Heating”. The term “Global Warming” sounds so cozy – like a warm and soft cozy blanket…

Repeated reports of high CO2 emissions only scratch the surface of atmospheric heating effects. The first and second laws of thermodynamics explain measurable phenomena based on exigencies of released energy… Lets ignore it all, and carp about how none of the science actually exists.

Flexing
Flexing
Nov 30, 2020 4:31 PM

Not self loathing….. really, you do know that the ‘carbon units’ are destroying the earth: with their farts? Surely the logical conclusion is to eradicate the parasites, if they wont obey, and surrender their freedoms to work and fully enjoy their lives though consumption and travel? An unending lockdown, followed by a genocide seems like you only logical solution….no?

From Far Away
From Far Away
Nov 30, 2020 5:32 PM

[The first and second laws of thermodynamics explain measurable phenomena based on exigencies of released energy…]

Largely, yes. But those two laws do not prove “Atmospheric Heating” is unequivocally the result of “high CO2 emissions.”

The Earth and its atmosphere is a complex system, and “CO2 emissions” interact with innumerable other factors that makes any “it’s all CO2’s fault” assertion simplistic in the extreme.

I would assume you are a more advanced thinker than that.

Ifwhen
Ifwhen
Nov 30, 2020 6:22 PM
Reply to  From Far Away

There are very few scientist, maybe a handful, who are able to understand the very complex chemistry in the earths atmosphere, and these key figures dictate the entire policy. The rest of the scientific comment are totally clueless, yet they will swear blind global warming is caused by man.

From Far Away
From Far Away
Nov 30, 2020 5:19 PM
Reply to  Sol

[Religions are tribal myths based on the believe in evil.]

Religions are one “answer” to rational, thinking humans’ eternal question: “Why are we here?”

All other “reasons” for the existence of religions are secondary.

messenger charles
messenger charles
Nov 30, 2020 5:30 PM
Reply to  From Far Away

The answer to that question will never be found in any religion, including the Cainite-Judeo-Christian Religion. God has no religion.

Sol
Sol
Nov 30, 2020 5:41 PM
Reply to  From Far Away

Sorry I could not resist (foolish me)
Hahahahahahaha
L.O.L.

Sol
Sol
Nov 30, 2020 6:47 PM
Reply to  Sol

And yes I reply to my self but this comment is actually for everyone else.

in my many years of working for moderating blogs for humanitarian activists,
among other things, I have learned from whistleblowers that trolls get payed extra money for every comment which gets a reply.

they will often result in slandering and attempt to offend you, and try everything possible to get you to reply to their nonsense.

I also learned that there is no way to change their insane stand on the issues in hand and once again, if they are payed for it, by replying to their slander and nonsense, you’ll be actually giving them credit/money.

so for those of you which read this comment, take my advise, engage in debates, but when you are assaulted for expressing your opinion, drop them.

logic will give you the right always, except on the web where the payed spiders/trolls are put to eat you.

The most dangerous are not the stupid or ignorant ones, the most dangerous are those which think they know things which they actually have no understanding of.

Sol

iug
iug
Nov 30, 2020 7:15 PM
Reply to  Sol

God you’re a horrible person, it shines though.

DunGroanin
DunGroanin
Nov 30, 2020 10:51 AM

Interesting review of a interesting book.

So what is it about the pronunciation Mikha-ell that is alluded ?

So let’s see:

‘ With a healthy contrarian and libertarian spirit’
– oh oh warning bells!

‘ He doesn’t romanticize or patronize the lives of the Orthodox men and women, many of them part of the “black hat,” “yeshivishe” (“ultra-Orthodox”) world ’
– double oh oh !

I suppose he doesn’t write about the askhanazis? & how they despise the real Judaism of the Orthodox variety?

Here in London the real Orthodox community lives in North/ East inner city and the boy children with their minime hair cut and black outfit walk easily through the streets ‘observing’ their daily religious practice. The little orthodox girls I don’t really see – but I do see what looks like very young mothers pushing prams!

Such lack of unorthodoxy extends to the hardcore Pakistani enclaves with their Sunni Saudi financed super mosques and tribal connections right back to the villages – from which the children in he U.K. (girls mainly) are married off by the local chief and the family is told that is what is expected and as soon as the child is old enough she is flown to the home village where she suddenly finds herself ‘married’ to some man who will rape her and bechild her and then join her back in the U.K. where he will be able to marry other wives and keep that tribal orthodoxy going.

I am not trying to equate these orthodoxy’s.
Or compare their relative merits., you understand.

The orthodox community is generally happy with their lot and happy with other religions too – the only ones they seem to have a problem with are the unorthodox fake tribe askhaNazis.

In the fake accusations of Judaeophobia against JC the Orthodox are fully in support of Corbyn and have been consistently so over the years and are still now.

They stand apart (good) from all these NuLabInc /Thatcherite – Northwest London ANazis, who run the media/ education/ law / finance in the City, yet claim mass discrimination (there are after all only a few hundred thousand in the whole U.K. mostly living in less than a handful of conurbations – look it up).

I have hardly any problem with the Orthodox – apart from some aggressive city driving within their hoods! – a lot less than the unorthodox and their ever growing tribe of wannabes – who baptised themselves in the River Jordan and have laid claim to the lands and airwaves of the world; who when challenged pull out the Orthodox and hold them infront of them as a human shield – to enable their continued plunder, war and general avarice, behind that religious cloak shield.

All religions have their equals – ever come across the Christian versions? Plymouth Brethren or example?
Or hard core Hindus and Buddhists?

Mik-a-hell needs to answer a few more questions as does this review.

George Mc
George Mc
Nov 30, 2020 10:37 AM

I prefer the story of Randy Newman who, as a boy, was uninvited to a local bash because he was Jewish. He asked his father, “What’s a Jew?”

messenger charles
messenger charles
Nov 30, 2020 10:17 AM

Judaism = Bolshevism = Atheism.

Flex
Flex
Nov 30, 2020 1:48 PM

Words seem to have no meaning for you.

messenger charles
messenger charles
Nov 30, 2020 5:27 PM
Reply to  Flex

Some people have no understanding about Judaism.

THX-1154
THX-1154
Nov 30, 2020 7:36 PM

or atheism, for that matter.

messenger charles
messenger charles
Nov 30, 2020 9:10 PM
Reply to  THX-1154

Feel free to ‘educate’ me. I always enjoy a good laugh to start the week.

THX-1154
THX-1154
Dec 1, 2020 12:15 AM

it’s hard to see how anybody can be “God’s chosen people”, if there are in fact no gods.

mgeo
mgeo
Dec 1, 2020 11:01 AM
Reply to  THX-1154

In almot all strains of religion, the standard “theological” response is to kill the skeptics. Of course, they don’t publicise this piece of theology.

messenger charles
messenger charles
Dec 2, 2020 1:36 PM
Reply to  THX-1154

They’re not God’s chosen people. And your assertion that there are no gods is ridiculous.

gordens
gordens
Nov 30, 2020 7:09 PM

satanism i would suggest has great traction here yes no

Steven Augustine
Steven Augustine
Nov 30, 2020 10:17 AM

@Moneycircus

https://off-guardian.org/2020/11/29/review-turning-back-the-personal-journey-of-a-born-again-jew/#comment-282467

(shameless plugs following but not, at least, OT)

My theory of Morality goes like this…

“It’s pretty obvious that Morality doesn’t come to us from some Bearded, Vaguely-Levantine, Anus-Free Sky Giant but evolved from the very early needs of the first human communities. The stability of these communities would have been a Life or Death matter… surviving drought/ famine/ predators/competition for resources would have required community cooperation and harmony. Stealing anything from one’s “neighbor”, seriously wounding one’s “neighbor” in a fight, “stealing” a “neighbor’s ” mate and, of course, killing a “neighbor”… all of these fundamental breeches of decorum would have been frowned on as threatening the stability of the tribe… these proscriptions would have been the original “commandments” (others added as the community survived, prospered, expanded and developed sinister, top-down political sophistication).”

And my Theory of God goes:

“While everybody else my age was wrestling with the question,” he said, gesturing with a cup of coffee, “of whether there’s a God or not, I was wrestling with the much-trickier issue of how, exactly, the guy would prove it to us if he were. I mean, seriously. Think about it. Conquistadors were able to convince the Aztecs they were Gods and they were just greasy fuckers in tin helmets on dwarf horses with syphilis. They didn’t even have guns! Wait, did they? Okay, that’s not important. Wait, was it the Aztecs or the Incas? Fuck, it’s all a blur, but that’s not important. My point is, what’s my point. Some local super-being could land on Earth and do some miracle-type-thing like make the sky black at noon or levitate a skyscraper and if he or she claimed to be God, how would we know she was lying? Even if dude managed to pull off some truly astounding shit like Uranus disappears or he reverses local time for five minutes, how would we know where he or she stood on the infinite power ladder of the Universe? Maybe they’re just in the middle of a ladder we’re on the bottom of.” He sipped the coffee. “Even if we felt convinced, so deep in our souls, that we were finally being granted an audience with Yahweh, the one true God, the beginning and the end of Creation, how would we know that we weren’t just merely under the power of like a minor warlord of this corner of the Galaxy with some mildly-impressive mind-control powers and a second-hand teleportation device? It’s not even that hard for the CIA to totally fool people. In fact, if God came along, or came back, as the Christians would have it, you know, think about it, what irrefutable evidence would we have that it wasn’t a psy-op?”

“You wouldn’t know until a bigger God came along to kick the smaller God’s ass…”

“Interesting.”

“But the difference between ‘god’ with a lower case ‘g’ and upper-case ‘God’ would have to be the indifference. Infinite power must mean infinite indifference. A true God wouldn’t bother to manifest. It just wouldn’t care enough.”

https://berlin8berlin.wordpress.com/2017/04/01/homo-zero/

Moneycircus
Moneycircus
Nov 30, 2020 2:14 PM

Doesn’t address why Rousseau or Robespierre, who are up there with the greatest communists, saw the need for deism. Nor why, if morality is rooted in Common Law, Stalin would bother with blowing up churches

Tom Larsen
Tom Larsen
Nov 30, 2020 2:51 PM
Reply to  Moneycircus

Neither Rousseau nor Robespierre were communists and neither were so “radical” as to be atheists. (Rousseau was a Liberal founding father.) Stalin represented the top of a totalitarian bureaucracy that wasn’t communist either. If communism is a more advanced form of socialism, (that is, where workers controlled the means of production as Marx indicated), the USSR never achieved communism. The USSR was no more “communist” that the the US was “democratic.”

The world we are racing towards is totalitarian, a totalitarian technocracy if you like, but it is not communist at all.

That the “communists are taking over” trope so popular on the right is not so different than the Liberal’s Russiagate or Putin controlling the White House. Neither is based on reality.

Moneycircus
Moneycircus
Nov 30, 2020 4:58 PM
Reply to  Tom Larsen

It’s the communist/left that is silent during this current skid into totalitarianism. Do you ask why?

Of course the two Ronnies weren’t communist. Karl von Westphalen hadn’t yet been paid to write his script. Rou & Rob were progenitors and I say the French revolutionary state had a strong influence its Soviet descendant (it continues to influence Russia today) although many would argue the Bolshevik putsch itself had more Hebraic influences.

Tom Larsen
Tom Larsen
Nov 30, 2020 5:47 PM
Reply to  Moneycircus

RE: It’s the communist/left that is silent during this current skid into totalitarianism. Do you ask why?

I have been watching what constitutes the left move to the right for the last 35 years. (Not by adopting right wing positions but rather abdicating foundational left ones.) The silence in the slide towards totalitarianism? Yes, I asked my self that question back in late February and March. I have come to the conclusion that even the most left of the left are CIA fronts. That is why there is a ongoing discussion here in the comment section of Off-G regarding the WSWS (World Socialist Web Site) as many regarded them as the real deal. Their capitulation, represents a total route. The DSA is not even worth talking about, they have been a minor appendage to the Democratic Party from their beginning.

From Far Away
From Far Away
Nov 30, 2020 5:50 PM
Reply to  Tom Larsen

[The world we are racing towards is totalitarian, a totalitarian technocracy if you like, but it is not communist at all.]

Agreed. And even though I rather dislike communism myself, it would be incorrect to blame it on the communists just because I don’t think their (well-intended, sometimes even admirable) dreamy utopia will ever work (given the unfortunate “negative” aspects of our human nature).

For any “far right” person to blame it on one of their favourite bogeymen is – in my opinion – more knee-jerk than rational reasoning.

Rather let us honestly identify the drivers behind the increasing totalitarianism, and defend our freedoms against the real instigators and drivers.

Steven Augustine
Steven Augustine
Nov 30, 2020 4:01 PM
Reply to  Moneycircus

“…Nor why, if morality is rooted in Common Law, Stalin would bother with blowing up churches”

Have to admit the logic there (both rebuttals) escapes me, though neither of us will ever have to worry about being proven wrong on this topic… ever. Laugh.

Moneycircus
Moneycircus
Nov 30, 2020 4:56 PM

Escaping your understanding does not keep me awake at night. Schnort. (let’s keep it on a high level)

Steven Augustine
Steven Augustine
Nov 30, 2020 8:27 PM
Reply to  Moneycircus

(that down-vote wasn’t me! I only parcel them out against Shills)

Edwige
Edwige
Nov 30, 2020 9:33 AM

Klaus Schwab, like most apparent rationalists/materialists, turns out to have some decidedly irrational ideas. Schwab thinks that aliens will make contact in the next decade and that the theory of panspermia will be confirmed as humanity’s true origin.

If Schwab is going to ascend to godhood then he needs his own creation mythos. Panspermia fits the bill with its word magick (the sperm of Pan) masking the true ancient gods the likes of Schwab worship and seek to join. Pan is the perfect embodiment of the trans- ethos. Much of the spadework for panspermia has been already laid by 33rd degree freemason Zacharias Sitchin

Funny how CNN (helped by The Fraudian of course) have just been pushing that story about “the mysterious monolith” found in the desert. It’s almost like Schwab can dial up any news story he wants on ‘the mighty wurlitzer’.

Moneycircus
Moneycircus
Nov 30, 2020 10:34 AM
Reply to  Edwige

And the Pentagon “admitting UFOs exist” in April this year.
One of the justifications for the massive theft of public funds – estimated at upwards of $21 Trillion and thought by Mark Skidmore to extend possibly to $90 Trilllion — is the implication that it’s all been going into a secret space programme.

That makes it all right, then. We’re off to Mars. If you look at the $5 billion subsidies to Elon Musk, it’s all connected. Musk is grandson of the founder of the Technocracy movement, Joshua Haldeman. He’s a paid cheerleader.

Even my 10-year-old has spotted Musk doing countless interviews with teenage YouTubers and asked, “how does he have the time? He’s supposed to be running Tesla and SpaceX?”

I answered: Musk’s role is propaganda. That’s why he’s got so much time to talk to teen influencers. He is a high priest of “Da Science”.

Freeborn John
Freeborn John
Nov 30, 2020 11:00 AM
Reply to  Moneycircus

The pentagon always bring out the UFO stories when they got a new bit of kit to test .
Remember those huge triangles spotted all around the world chased by Belgian F16’s and “as big as a football field”, that spoofed thefighters radar to chase false images, just coincidentally as the USAF were introducing the stealth bombers.
I myself spotted a prototype stealth aircraft many years ago, very quiet, rounded bell shaped canard aircraft.
These ‘UFO’s’ are drones.not extraterrestrial, alas the aliens don’t find us that interesting and certainly don’t want to talk to us, no.matter how tasty they find us.

Seamus Padraig
Seamus Padraig
Nov 30, 2020 12:07 PM
Reply to  Moneycircus

Even my 10-year-old has spotted Musk doing countless interviews with teenage YouTubers and asked, “how does he have the time? He’s supposed to be running Tesla and SpaceX?”

And just think: Musk does all of that while high on ganja!

Paul Vonharnish
Paul Vonharnish
Nov 30, 2020 4:16 PM
Reply to  Moneycircus

Elon Musk? High priest of Duh Science… Nice of he and his NASA pals to keep punching massive holes in atmospheric ozone… It’s also helpful to be irradiated to death with stupid electromagnetic toys we can throw away every six months…

Dors
Dors
Nov 30, 2020 6:40 PM
Reply to  Moneycircus

It’s a strange theory that makes one of the evil ones speak publicly and clearly against lockdowns & PCR “tests.”

Awake
Awake
Dec 1, 2020 8:17 AM
Reply to  Dors

1. Sending mixed signals to confuse and deceive people, like how the Clintons set up a philanthropic foundation while launching wars in middle east.

2. According to the illuminati mystical tradition, exposing your criminal agenda to the public reduces karmic retribution.

Steven Augustine
Steven Augustine
Nov 30, 2020 10:36 AM
Reply to  Edwige

The more gullible Duh Masses prove to be, of course, the more ridiculous things will be getting. How many generations are we away from a JHVH Bluebeam Hologram appearing in Jerusalem skies? Or “verified” stories of smart phones channeling “angels” or dead relatives? 1.5?

mgeo
mgeo
Nov 30, 2020 3:20 PM

Some of the “black” projects entail causing a subject to feel various pains, experience hallucinations, etc. While much of the focus is on torture (“no-touch” torture), this may explain at least a few unexpected mass murders.

Julian
Julian
Nov 30, 2020 2:36 PM
Reply to  Edwige

yes.. amazing how it’s all ‘show and tell’ First come the ‘predictions’.. and then Voila! Months/Years later come that very scenario, groups were talking about Alien Invasion being the ultimate false flag twelve years ago at least.. and here we see it breaking through at the edges of show and tell now.

Flex
Flex
Nov 30, 2020 2:49 PM
Reply to  Edwige

You are making Schwab a god, he jus proposed changes he believed were in the interest of………the people…..He works for an NGO, he is not god.

Joerg
Joerg
Nov 30, 2020 9:27 AM

It is a pity that the author of this article is not able to distance himself from Michael Lesher. It is just as if Mr. Lesher had written this article himself (with this I don’t insinuate that he has!).

Being so close to the book he comments he misses important aspects that should be laid open and contemplated.
There are two point that must be contemplated and discussed:

1) SHOULD ONE FOLLOW AN “ETHNIC” RELIGION?
1.1) Mankind had and has “Religion” in order to understand what the world is and how this world functions. But the question what the world is and how it functions does not at all depend of your ethnic “identity” or what you believe (see below) what your ethnic identity was.
So the answer to question above is – NO! As there is only ONE world and MANY ethnics reality can not depend on with what ethnic you were accidentally born.

1.2) Even more in the case of Michael Lesher: He erroneously believes he has a Jewish ‘identity’ or ‘ethnic’. With the word “Judaism” (see in the article the term “Orthodox Judaism”) Michael Lesher (and also Steve Lipman) believes that he is a descendant of the old Judaic people: The Hebrews.
But most certainly he is not! The Palestinians are the (only) descendants of the old Hebrews – not the nowadays Israelis or those who consider themselves to be “Jews” (by race). As little as in old India (before the diversion into Pakistan, India and Bangladesh) those millions and millions of Moslems were descendants of immigrated Arabs, and as little as all the – overwhelmingly Islamic – Turkish tribes from central Asia to nowadays Osman Turkey . – are descendants of Arabs, the Palestinians are also not descendants of Arabs.
Nearly everyone (exception: Old Hebrew colonies in India) who considers themselves to be – by race(!) – a “Jew” is not a descendant of the old Hebrews but a descendant of the Khasars. The Turk-Persian Khasar empire (north and east of the Black Sea – see Wikipedia) turned to the Hebrew religion in about 600 A.D. This is why Russia has so many “Jews” and this is why the Nazis could murder in eastern Europe so many of what they believed were “Jews”.

Everyone who is not a racist should use the word “Jew” only for followers of the Hebrew religion – and not for some race or ‘racial identity’.
So I definitely oppose Steve Lipman’s term of “identifiably Jewish but resolutely secular family”. If “secular” then not “Jewish”!

It is this goddamned ‘identity’ thing, that causes and caused so much suffering. This desire for ‘identity’ broke loose after the very rational Years of Enlightenment (18th century) ended. And sadly it is riding high nowadays again!
There is no ‘identity’!
And I have no doubts that not only the “Jews” (in the racial meaning) are in error of the facts, but also the ‘Germans’. There is good reason to assume that “German” are much more descendants of Celtic tribes than of Germanic tribes.

2) SHOULD ONE SIMPLY CHOOSE A RELIGION AND THAN BELIEVE IN THAT?
And to make I clear: To me also the Materialists are also believers in a ‘religion’. This because they use as little ratio and reason to find out about the world as people of official religions do. They simply believe something.
Although I am already an old man it was only recently that I learned more about the Jehovah’s Witnesses during the last few years. With them I argued that if they had lived 2000 years ago they would have believed in Teutates or Wotan/Odin. In old Rome and classical Greece they would have believes in Hesiod’s cosmic religion. In Egypt they would have believes in Hesiod’s religion or in the religion of the old Pharaohs. In America they would have believed in Quetzalcoatl or sun god Inti.
If God really cared – why didn’t he sent ‘a’ Jesus to the old and very populous Indus Valley Culture (2000 B.C.). O r at least to Socrates and Plato?
Why didn’t this very late (Indus Valley Culture already ceased to exist 2000 years before) Jesus at least walk over to the Aborigines, Mayas, Aztecs, Incas, Dakotas? He could walk on water, couldn’t he. Yes, now I already hear the Pope in Rome (and some Evangelists) saying: “Jesus only said he could walk on sweet water – he never said he could walk on salt water!”).
The same to Mohammed: Why was there never a Mohammed in America or Australia. And why did he come so late (Socrates never got to know Islam)?

The answer to the question above is – NO!
The world (to this belongs also what happens to you after you died) is much to dangerous to just believe in something, because you like it or because a certain religion is family tradition.

Moneycircus
Moneycircus
Nov 30, 2020 11:48 AM
Reply to  Joerg

“ONE world and MANY ethnics reality can not depend on with what ethnic you were accidentally born.”

We are only just acknowledging that history is defined by perspective and depends very much on who you are and where you stand. It’s not that ‘there’s only one world so the religions can’t all be right’. Ethnically they can. Even a post-modern atheist should concede that.

Besides, there isn’t one world. An astronomer and a shoemaker could have a very different view, let alone a Buddhist. As for the occult, it simply refers to the world, seen and unseen and to many is very real.

Where I agree is there cannot be many different but only one God. So you can call him A or J but one God whom we worship in different ways makes sense. If he conveyed his words to a man, that man is fallible, otherwise he would not be a man but God. As for cutting bits off our bodies, is God perfect or does man know better?

The salesman says I will show you the path to knowledge but only through me. Rockefeller even passed a cup of his own snake oil tincture. Like Carnegie and Ford they have reshaped medicine and education in their own image. Now they seek to improve our minds and our bodies — as they see fit. They are wedded to the idea that one or two generations of men (they are almost always men) can hammer the world on an anvil.

If each religion wants to reach God through the words of a man who says, “pray this way”, that’s fine. Saying that man has the right to enslave you at the edge of a knife, is not. Don’t mix up man and God or you end up like Rockefeller.

A frequent question is, ‘why can’t all people think the same’. I remember when I was about 13 and was very much in love and but tongue tied and twisted. I recall thinking, why can’t we read each others thoughts, even communicate telepathically. Life would be so much simpler. It was only as I became more mature that I realized what a tyrannical disaster that would be.

It is much better that we should see the world differently.

Joerg
Joerg
Nov 30, 2020 3:24 PM
Reply to  Moneycircus

@Moneycircus
Nice, to learn about Your point of view, but my point of view is absolutely different.
Even when you say about history (which is not directly the topic here) “history is defined by perspective and depends very much on who you are and where you stand“, I can’t agree.
Also history is about facts. And facts do not depend on who you are and your cultural/political visions. This is why we can discuss these facts. Otherwise we couldn’t. Also this is why we must have learned to differ between facts and out interpretation of them. And even with our interpretation we are bound to one and the same world with the other guys we discuss these facts. Otherwise a discussion was not possible.
 
Although I object your subjective view (“defined by perspective and depends very much on who you are and where you stand“), I only object, because, I think, you put forward the ‘wrong’ subjectivity.
 
There is a ‘real’ subjectivity – and that is that the world is inside . not outside:
When you see something in a dream – e.g. a car – this car is not of material. This car is in the head. If these 2 tons of material were in your head you would be dead the same moment.
Also the car or person you see in your dream has always only one side. If you go around the car/person another side will appear, but the side you saw fist is gone. Same in the movies. James Bond and his nice girls always have only one side. do we complain? Do we demand our money back at the cinema’s box-office? No! Why? Because reality is just the same. Reality is exclusively ‘scenic’- there are no ‘things! There is no material.!
 
If you see something the cells in your retina feed digital on-out signals into the optical nerves. These nerves go t the back of your head – and there the picture is produced. And if you see a car. it is inside your head. If the car was of material you’d be dead instantly.
And also your eyes are only looking to the inside. Let’s say you cross a street on a zebra crossing. And a car approaches with high speed. No your eyes are watching the car (a product of your visual brain) and your brain calculates from these series of pictures, if the driver went down with speed, because he saw you – or if you have to jump to rescue yourself.
All the other senses: feeling (touching + temperature) ,hearing, smelling, tasting and thinking are also producing exclusively inside-products.
 
And now to “God” And, yes, I am a Buddhist (but a real one – not like these identity-Buddhists in Sri Lanka, Thailand, Myanmar). and as such I have no doubt that a god exists, who thinks of himself that he has created the universe. And while Buddhists have not doubt that this God exists (called “Brahma” – but not at all the same like the Hindu’s Brahma), they have no doubts that this Brahma errs. Buddha explains that enormous times ago this Brahma fell out of a higher world. Here the Pali-text: “THE BRAHMA INVITATION” – https://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka/mn/mn.049.than.html

Moneycircus
Moneycircus
Nov 30, 2020 5:17 PM
Reply to  Joerg

Insightful answer, thank you.

The basis of history is of course a search to identify and verify facts.But we make a choice what facts to look for, and which facts we include or leave out. That is the first level of perception: the professional.

Historians are also employees. Hugh Trevor Roper was hired by British military intelligence to compile the definitive history of WW2. He was not just writing from a British perspective, not just from a M.I. perspective, but he was also young and inexperienced. Many better-qualified historians were passed over. The reason is simple. M.I. could feed the green HTR information that he accepted with little question — and this has been revealed with time. However many generations of students have already swallowed his pill. He was being gifted a profitable career as a famous historian, how could that not influence his perspective?

First ascertain the facts, then interpret: and that’s where the personal perspective and judgement comes in. The weight we give to facts. The connections we make. The inferences we draw. The same applies to journalists but sadly most of them lack any historical training and it shows (yours truly was a not at all famous exception).

THX-1154
THX-1154
Nov 30, 2020 8:05 AM

ancient Chinese wisdom:

With regard to the issue of holding one’s penis for the purpose of urinating, the Gemara relates that Rav Yehuda and Shmuel were standing on the roof of the synagogue that was destroyed and rebuilt in Neharde’a. Rav Yehuda said to Shmuel: What can I do? I need to urinate. Shmuel said to him: Shinnana, hold your penis, so that the water does not fall onto the synagogue roof, and urinate outward, away from the synagogue.

The Gemara asks: How could Rav Yehuda do so? But isn’t it taught in a baraita that Rabbi Eliezer says: With regard to anyone who holds his penis and urinates, it is considered as though he is bringing a flood to the world?

And if you wish, say a different answer, that Rav Yehuda was allowed to hold his penis while urinating because he was married; as Rav Naḥman said: If one is married, it is permitted for him to hold his penis while urinating, as his improper sexual urges are not as strong.

And if you wish, say that Shmuel ruled for Rav Yehuda in accordance with this baraita, which Abba, son of Rabbi Binyamin bar Ḥiyya, teaches: One may not hold the penis itself while urinating, but a man who wishes to urinate may assist the process by holding the testicles from below. Shmuel instructed Rav Yehuda to act in this manner.

And if you wish, say that Shmuel ruled for Rav Yehuda in accordance with that which Rabbi Abbahu said that Rabbi Yoḥanan says: There is a clear demarcation in the prohibition against holding one’s penis while urinating: From the corona and below, toward the tip of the penis, it is permitted to hold, as this will not lead to arousal. From the corona and above, toward the body, it is prohibited.

Babylonian Talmud, Tractate Niddah 13a

lots more burning theological issues discussed here:

http://daatemet.org.il/en/torah-talmud/daily-peppers/

be sure not to miss:

Why do women have their breasts on their chests?
Is one permitted to have sexual relations with a mouse, fly, or mosquito in the room?
May a married gentile couple have anal sex?
Does the chicken have lungs?
Giving a piece of bread, on the Sabbath, to a midget under 30 cm. in height
How can you tell if a woman is a virgin? Seat her on a barrel of wine!
How should one remove a snake which sexually desires a woman and enters her sexual organ?
Is one permitted the recite the shema with excrement under the bed?
On the Sabbath, should one use pottery or a stone to wipe the anus?
One who has sex with a woman who is simultaneously his sister, the sister of his mother, and the sister of his father
One who borrows a cow for sexual purposes
One who suspects his wife has had anal intercourse with a different man
An elephant which ate fronds and excreted them with his excrement in the form of a basket
Is one permitted to say the Shema while wearing a sandal which has excrement stuck to it?
Is one permitted to learn Torah in the presence of the odor of flatulence?
One who puts his sexual organ into his own anus
How does one emasculate bees?

Steven Augustine
Steven Augustine
Nov 30, 2020 10:44 AM
Reply to  THX-1154

“One who has sex with a woman who is simultaneously his sister, the sister of his mother, and the sister of his father”

Either that one or the elephant one. Intrigued.

THX-1154
THX-1154
Nov 30, 2020 11:18 AM

it’s a really ingenious argument, such as might be found in postmodern academia:

Rabbi Akiva asked: In the case of one who engages in intercourse with his sister who is also his father’s sister and who is also his mother’s sister, what is the halakha with regard to bringing a sin-offering? Is he liable to bring only one sin-offering for engaging in intercourse that violated all of the prohibitions, or is he liable to bring a sin-offering for each and every prohibition that he violated when he engaged in intercourse with that woman?

Rabban Gamliel and Rabbi Yehoshua said to him: We did not hear the halakha in that case. But we heard the halakha in a similar case: One who engages in intercourse with five menstruating women during one lapse of awareness is liable to bring a sin-offering for each and every one of the women with whom he engaged in intercourse, and it appears with regard to the matter of your inquiry that he is liable to bring a sin-offering for each and every prohibition, by means of an a fortiori inference. How so? If in the case of a menstruating woman, which involves violation of the name of one prohibition, he is liable for intercourse with each and every one, here, where the woman is forbidden due to the names of three prohibitions, is it not all the more so logical that he is liable to bring three sin-offerings?

The Gemara inquires: And how can you find these circumstances? The Gemara answers: It is found in the case of a wicked person, son of a wicked person. How so? If a man engages in intercourse with his mother, and she bears him two daughters, and he then engages in intercourse with one of the daughters and fathers a son, that son could engage in intercourse with the other daughter, who is his half sister through his father, as well as being his father’s half sister and his mother’s half sister.

Babylonian Talmud, Tractate Makot 14a

Steven Augustine
Steven Augustine
Nov 30, 2020 5:02 PM
Reply to  THX-1154

I can’t make it through the first two sentences without laughing so hard my vision blurs. Perhaps… Satan is interfering with me? (I thought I saw a snake go up my bell-bottoms an hour or two back….)

THX-1154
THX-1154
Nov 30, 2020 11:42 AM

what to do when being sexually molested by a snake:

A woman who is seen by a snake and does not know whether it has directed his attention toward her or whether it has not directed his attention toward her, she should remove her garment and throw it before the snake. If the snake wraps itself in the garments, it is an indication that it has directed his attention toward her; and if not, it is an indication that it has not directed his attention toward her.

What is her remedy so the snake will leave her alone? She should have relations with her husband before the snake. Some say: If she has relations in front of the snake, all the more so that its desire will become stronger. Rather, she should take from her hair and her nails and throw them at the snake, and say the following to it as an incantation: I am a menstruating woman.

A woman whom a snake has entered, let them spread her legs and place her on two barrels, and let them bring fatty meat and throw it onto coals. And let them bring her a bowl of cress and fragrant wine and place them there and mix them together. And she should take tongs in her hand, as when the snake smells the fragrance it emerges. And then one should take the snake and burn it in the fire, as if it is not burned, it will come back onto her.

Babylonian Talmud, Tractate Shabbat 110a

Steven Augustine
Steven Augustine
Nov 30, 2020 12:03 PM
Reply to  THX-1154

“what to do when being sexually molested by a snake:”

Well that one I knew already…

Gwyn
Gwyn
Nov 30, 2020 4:15 PM
Reply to  THX-1154

Mmm…fatty meat, cress and wine…yum…

THX-1154
THX-1154
Nov 30, 2020 11:59 AM

and never forget about the holocaust of the sixty-four million:

There were four hundred synagogues in the city of Beitar, and in each and every one of them there were four hundred schoolteachers, and each and every one of these teachers had four hundred schoolchildren.
And when the enemy entered there, these schoolchildren stabbed them with their pens. And when the enemy prevailed and caught them, they wrapped the children in their scrolls and lit them on fire.

Babylonian Talmud, Tractate Gittin 58a

wardropper
wardropper
Nov 30, 2020 3:54 PM
Reply to  THX-1154

Heaven help us…

Seamus Padraig
Seamus Padraig
Nov 30, 2020 7:38 AM

OT: I hear there are massive demonstrations now going on in London and Paris. Is this true? Does anybody know anything about them? Any good videos to share?

Moneycircus
Moneycircus
Nov 30, 2020 7:27 AM

It was the LSD experiments of the Sixties that identified “a God-shaped hole” in people. The issue is what we allow to fill that hole.

There is plenty to suggest people have taken to “Da Science” and some brands of environmentalism as religion, replete with millenarianism and faith in “a coming fundamental transformation of society, after which all things will be changed.” Their scorn for non-believers is as fierce as the most dogmatic, rules-based religion.

One thing they lack is “morality” impervious to human manipulation. No, morality does not come from God nor even directly from religion.

Morality is a byproduct, in my view, of the premise that God towers over us. If God made you, no other human can take away your rights. If people are supreme, then what they say goes and they can fight til kingdom come. You can sit there mapping out your Rousseau humanism with minute rules for the perfect society — and while you daydream someone can roll over you in a tank.

The Billionaires are those daydreamers. What makes them dangerous is that they own Big Tech, Big Pharma and Big Educashun. They hope to put a lock on people and make their transhuman society permanent by controlling thought, economics, movement and by injecting and quarantining the people into submission.

Moneycircus
Moneycircus
Nov 30, 2020 10:01 AM
Reply to  Moneycircus

There is a thread on Reddit entitled, “I would be spiritually safer if I got a lobotomy than if joined a religion.”

Recently a video resurfaced, falsely attributed to Bill Gates, in which some military unIntelligence types are discussing controlling fundamentalism by destroying a particular part of the brain. The resulting hullabaloo over “it’s not Gates” distracts from the more worrying idea that people were discussing it. Nor is it new. Lobotomy was a “miracle cure” of the 1940s. Do you see how we are always told to wait for a miracle cure? That bit IS Bill Gates in a nutshell.

Lobotomy was supposedly shelved after jamming people’s brains with implements produced zombie-like patients, including JFK’s sister Rosemary who was “cured” of her high-spirits and “forward” approach to sex. Lobotomy is back and has been since the 1990s.

Religion has always been a problem for governments but especially for highly uniform and regulated cybernetic societies. The usual tracts, 1984 and BNW make that clear. In his book Aldous Huxley replaces religion with soma and peans to “Our Ford”. In real life, Huxley helped to run the MK-Ultra mind research of Sidney Gottlieb and Jolyon West that was specifically interested in gaining control the subconscious mind that regulates morality and ones preparedness to commit certain actions.

How to remove religion, or channel it in directions that can be controlled, has been an obsession of regimes since ancient times. In the early modern era, we have the examples of the Tudor regime which unleashed a ruthless programme of mass-societal re-education and propaganda, trying to keep religion but to bend obeisance to the State.

Both Rousseau and Robespierre thought society could not function without a supreme being: Rousseau’s deism was even emotional and good, which he saw as essential to the origination of good as opposed to purely self-interest. Of course, I’m simplifying in the interest of brevity. Robespierre saw a similar weakness in the Cult of Reason, being only a means to an end. Hence he got busy and balanced reason with its object, virtue, in the Cult of The Supreme Being, which was authorized by the National Convention in 1794 and became the official religion of France. 

In comparison Hitler’s controllers took the easy path, opting for a bastardized New Age humanism and appropriated the ancient wheel of life symbol. Stalin began to demolish religious monuments and had to settle for infiltrating the church. Only when Pol Pot read Rousseau, Robespierre and a smattering of Sartre did anyone seek to remold their own population so profoundly as the Tudors.

Why such effort to modify belief systems? Is it the God-shaped hole in humans that explains the urgency to shift the people from one religion to another? Whatever the answer, it is the same reason those who develop systems of government control consider liquidating the spiritual centre of the brain. it is the same tidy military minds who dream of uniformity. It is the same robber barons who dream of a compliant world of billions of consumers, all slaving for and buying form the oligarchy.

Even if you do not believe in God, this is the reason you should pray to be treated as if you do: as if you are born with rights that no human can take away; as if people owe respect to each other’s body and property — not based on some arbitrary hierarchy of this victim being superior to that former privilege but because we are all born with certain inalienable rights. It is only when the government fears a greater power, fears God or fears people who believe in an authority greater than the state, that you have your rights.

MORE AT: https://moneycircus.blogspot.com/2020/11/pray-to-be-treated-as-if-you-believe-in.html

George Mc
George Mc
Nov 30, 2020 11:23 AM
Reply to  Moneycircus

I have started to wonder if the now very familiar modern liberal sneer at religion was part of a vast campaign which ironically had the effect of taking away one of the best defences against enslavement. After all, there is no power on Earth more formidable for cementing groups together than religion (as admitted by Marxist Terry Eagleton during a talk – appropriately enough – with conservative Roger Scruton). If people can be persuaded that there is nothing other than this physical world and there is nothing uniting them beyond their separate appetites (which can largely be manufactured by advertisers) then they are in a position of hopeless powerless despair – which is a position perfect for rendering them impotent before a ruling group.

THX-1154
THX-1154
Nov 30, 2020 12:18 PM
Reply to  George Mc

sure, because during the periods of the late Roman Empire, and the European MIddle Ages, when Catholicism was not just ubiquitous, but actually compulsory, slavery was absolutely unheard of.

Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. Consequently, whoever rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves. For rulers hold no terror for those who do right, but for those who do wrong.

Do you want to be free from fear of the one in authority? Then do what is right and you will be commended. For the one in authority is God’s servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for rulers do not bear the sword for no reason. They are God’s servants, agents of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer. Therefore, it is necessary to submit to the authorities, not only because of possible punishment but also as a matter of conscience.

This is also why you pay taxes, for the authorities are God’s servants, who give their full time to governing. Give to everyone what you owe them: If you owe taxes, pay taxes; if revenue, then revenue; if respect, then respect; if honor, then honor.

Book of Romans, 13:1-7

George Mc
George Mc
Nov 30, 2020 1:07 PM
Reply to  THX-1154

Sure every age has its ideology which can be exploited by the ruling class – indeed the ideology MUST be so exploited to ensure rule. I am only saying that in our age, the ideology is secular and that is what is used. And it’s a psychological move which is more devastating than previous ones by virtue of the fact that modern secular views tend towards the isolated atomised individual.

wardropper
wardropper
Nov 30, 2020 2:07 PM
Reply to  THX-1154

I’d love to know what the apostle Paul would have thought of today’s ‘authorities’, to whose godless decrees, it seems, he would have us submit without question…
Hopefully, he would have said that when such catastrophic corruption of authority has taken place, all bets are off…

THX-1154
THX-1154
Nov 30, 2020 8:03 PM
Reply to  wardropper

catastrophic corruption of authority

as compared to the Roman Empire under Caligula and Nero, for example.

Steven Augustine
Steven Augustine
Nov 30, 2020 4:56 PM
Reply to  THX-1154

“This is also why you pay taxes, for the authorities are God’s servants, who give their full time to governing.”

Christ (npi), could it BE more obvious who wrote this? Hilarious! You suddenly get why all those cynical pseudo-nutters of the ’60s and ’70s started their own Messianic Cults and dashed off “holy scripture” regarding the sacred commandment and blessing of Blowing Him. Forget the Covid-Hoaxed, how could anyone born after 1888 fall for the Mother-Of-All.Government-Psyops?

THX-1154
THX-1154
Nov 30, 2020 8:16 PM

I’m sorry to admit that the “1888” reference eludes me.

it’s certainly an interesting evolution of St. Paul’s career, from being a tax-collecting authority, presumably backed up by armed force, to being a spiritual advisor who instructed people to pay taxes not just to avoid punishment, “but also as a matter of conscience.”

“If you want to make a million dollars, start your own religion.” — L. Ron Hubbard

Steven Augustine
Steven Augustine
Nov 30, 2020 10:37 PM
Reply to  THX-1154

Hubbard deserves a closer look; he was an Aleister Crowley fan-boy, wasn’t he? Jack Parsons was involved, too.

PS 1888 was the year Fred Nietzsche went nuts! laugh

wardropper
wardropper
Nov 30, 2020 2:01 PM
Reply to  George Mc

Just as an aside, this fits in with Rudolf Steiner’s description of not one, but two ‘devils’ which essentially conspire together to ensnare, enslave and wreck humanity. However, when the forces of the one are used to combat the forces of the other, a balance can be achieved in the human soul – a balance which Steiner maintained is the mission of the ‘Christ impulse’.

Lucifer, as ‘the light bearer’ (his crime, like that of Prometheus, is to bring light, or fire, to a mankind which is not yet developed enough to resist the temptation to misuse it), wants to lead man away from a responsibility towards his true Creator, filling him with beautiful illusions that he is so god-like himself that he needs nothing and nobody else.
Lucifer’s domain of great enthusiasm and passion (even great art is inspired by this Luciferic element) can actually provide a tool which to be used to combat the other devil. Lucifer is the ‘serpent’ in the Adam and Eve story.

Ahriman (the name comes from ancient Persian lore) wishes to convince man, exactly as you mention, that there is nothing other than this physical world (particularly in connection with scientific cleverness) and that becoming masters of the material world will solve all mankind’s problems.
The tool with which the influence of Ahriman can provide us in order to avoid becoming Lucifer’s slaves is found in this being’s domain of cold, material cleverness and genius. Ahriman has no warmth or passion in his nature, but his cold calculation can offset an exaggerated tendency to lose oneself in beautiful dreams and illusions.

This area of spiritual teaching is, of course, part of a path of development whose origins are very ancient. But It strikes me that what both of these devils have in common is of great concern to modern man:
They deal in opposite facets of illusion, but their common aim is to isolate man from everything to do with compassion and love – everything, in fact, which we know as ‘humanity’.

Lucifer does it by making us feel that we are, indeed, spiritual beings, like gods – so much so that we don’t really need the Earth and its inferior creatures, while Ahriman seeks to blind us to the spiritual world altogether, tying us irrevocably, through sheer cleverness, to the world of dead matter.

No wonder a balancing impulse became crucially necessary for man’s spiritual survival…

I have to admit I still find it astonishing that although Steiner was a remarkable prophet, I have not read anything of his which indicated that we would be living in apocalyptic times quite as soon as this. He even wrote about and gave lectures upon The Apocalypse of St. John, yet my understanding was that the events spoken of were scheduled for a far later time than ours.

That said, Steiner indicated that important spiritual events were always preceded by signs, rather like rehearsals, of what was to come…

Perhaps somebody is ahead of schedule… Is so, let’s hope that means Lucifer and Ahriman are becoming aware that their time is running out, but I think we’re all in for a rough ride before that happens…

My main question is, “What is the right response to the current chaos in our world?”

JuraCalling
JuraCalling
Dec 1, 2020 12:40 AM
Reply to  wardropper

sex, beer and football

Shin
Shin
Nov 30, 2020 6:54 AM

Thankfully, i don’t believe in religion.

Moneycircus
Moneycircus
Nov 30, 2020 10:50 AM
Reply to  Shin

Not being snarky but I always tell my kids, I don’t care what you don’t think. Tell me what you do!

THX-1154
THX-1154
Nov 30, 2020 12:28 PM
Reply to  Moneycircus

I think only extremely silly people believe in 2000-year-old faery tales, that were rather obviously fabricated specifically to keep the plebes from revolting.

wardropper
wardropper
Nov 30, 2020 2:38 PM
Reply to  THX-1154

With all due respect to the marvellous ‘Life of Brian’, the ancient scriptures were not ‘fabricated’ for any such trivial purposes.
They were intended to inspire the inner lives of those on a path of development, and they contain immense wisdom, applicable to all walks of life.

‘The plebs’ weren’t even interested. They didn’t have time to be.
Simple military force was enough to keep them in line. They didn’t need religious teachings as well. Much too complicated.

Steven Augustine
Steven Augustine
Nov 30, 2020 4:30 PM
Reply to  THX-1154

“…fabricated specifically to keep the plebes from revolting.”

Is this a “Stanley K. did it” Apollo Hoax vid? I believe firmly (with good reason) that Apollo was a Cold War propaganda hoax but believe almost as firmly that Stanley K. had nothing to do with it (and that, if he had, the hoaxed footage would have looked much better; specifically: why would astronauts in sub-Earth gravity appear to be moving in slow motion? A weaker gravity well wouldn’t cause you to move in a dreamy way; if anything, you’d have to learn to restrain your movements, since you’d be six-times stronger, and faster, on the Moon than on Earth, when it came to moving your own mass or lifting/throwing others. When/if “we” do put people on the Moon… though robots would make much more sense… we’re going to get a shock at how much differently they’ll move than the Apollo spooks appeared to).

THX-1154
THX-1154
Nov 30, 2020 8:41 PM

if he had, the hoaxed footage would have looked much better

are you sure about that?

the video you were responding to actually contains an extensive discussion of the Apollo low-gravity hoaxery, showing that it was probably accomplished through slow-motion and overhead suspension wires.

conversely, here’s an unquestioned part of Stanley K’s oeuvre, set in an underground moonbase. there does not appear to be the slightest attempt made to depict any deviation from earth-normal 9.8m/s^2 gravity. and this is just after all that ostentatious zero-gravity theatrics on the orbital and lunar shuttles.

Steven Augustine
Steven Augustine
Dec 1, 2020 10:36 PM
Reply to  THX-1154

“the video you were responding to actually contains an extensive discussion of the Apollo low-gravity hoaxery, showing that it was probably accomplished through slow-motion and overhead suspension wires”

I’ve seen the evidence in stand-alone videos (3+ hours is more than I need) and it’s pretty solid; the non-Newtonian movements of some of those “astronauts” scrambling to right themselves, after stumbling on that soundstage, could ONLY be possible with wires. Anyone who can’t see that is relatively new to the Earth itself, I guess.

Re: 2001: Kubrick’s various little hints started, as far as I know, as far back as Lolita. By the time of 2001 he was sneaking in all kinds of jabs at The Top of the Power Pyramid (A Clockwork Orange full of these jabs/winks, too). The gravity-inconsistency is Kubrick’s little wink that NAZA was working on a hoax (one that wouldn’t be eclipsed, in magnitude, ironically, until 2001 rolled around. And now, in 2020, the hoax is even vaster).

The YouTube film analyst Rob Ager is quite good on Kubrick’s subliminals. Kubrick was no fool: he knew he was doing something dangerous. He buried his clues well in continuity errors and glaring “lapses” like the gravity issue.

Steven Augustine
Steven Augustine
Nov 30, 2020 4:31 PM
Reply to  THX-1154

(ooops: was I responding to a video that was roulette-wheeled from another comment? I take it the original was Life of Bri…?)

paul
paul
Nov 30, 2020 11:08 AM
Reply to  Shin

Why not? We should all bow down before this Bronze Age Mumbo Jumbo.

wardropper
wardropper
Nov 30, 2020 2:30 PM
Reply to  Shin

Genuine religion is unaffected by what you believe in, Shin.
A colour-blind person can say they don’t believe the colour ‘green’ exists, but the green colour goes on existing just the same.

It seems to me that one always has to specify what one means by ‘religion’ when making such a statement. So I’ll take the bait…

For example, merely going to church on Sundays is hardly a form of religion which anyone could justifiably claim to ‘believe in’.

Believing in Santa Claus is also demonstrably foolish, and telling people you don’t believe in him won’t attract even the slightest attention, except, perhaps, “Duh…”

But what a person’s inner experience has taught him (not what others have attempted to brainwash him with) is not so easily dismissed. That, at least in my opinion, is where religion lives.

Personal experience is personal experience, and not subject to proof or disproof.
It just is.
Some people have rich inner lives, while others have nothing but an empty shell.
That can’t be helped, except that with age, contemplation and maturity, some people find the keys to their inner doors.

Awake
Awake
Dec 1, 2020 9:28 AM
Reply to  Shin

Spiritual dimension is real. Eg: paranormal research done by ivy league universities, Cia and nasa, David Wilcock’s The Synchronicity Key, dowsing, astral projection, Law of One channeling.

Organized religion contains a mix of truths and lies. I find gnostic christianity, eastern religions and mystery school teachings more informative.

Also check out hiddenrecords.com.

Steven Augustine
Steven Augustine
Nov 30, 2020 6:49 AM

The only Religion I can think of that isn’t an alarming pile of pre-science superstitions (wedded to antisocial fantasies of chosen-ness) would be Buddhism, though the only “Buddhists” I’ve ever met were pretentious Americans, more than half of whom were in it to “impress” dates. I cannot feign much interest in anyone’s “religious journey” but these “born again” narratives may as well all be titled “Why I Decided to Believe in Santa Again“. Every day that I speak out against some Mainstream Mind-Control Narrative (2020 has been devoted almost exclusively to countering Hypno-Covidism), I find myself up against the sheer wall of Smugly Irrational, Evidence-Free Conviction… and how is any Religion not merely another example of a delusion of that sort? At best it’s a neurosis; at worst a social evil with a preposterous alibi. The susceptibility to it, among so many, explains so much. Meh.

mgeo
mgeo
Nov 30, 2020 8:41 AM

Psychopathy and obsessive-compulsive disorder have corrupted them all, including the one you named.

Steven Augustine
Steven Augustine
Nov 30, 2020 10:05 AM
Reply to  mgeo

“including the one you named.”

Santaism? And how can you “corrupt” anything that is premised on utter bullshit? Fair enough for the cave-painting days but no excuses now… which won’t stop a dozen or so Techno-Mystico Sects popping up the next couple of generations. As long as there are Huckster-Prophets there will be flocks for fleecing. Duh weak-minded Masses religiously trusting in Gates/ Oprah/ Popsinger DuJour (etc) are the irrational (cynically-guided) force backing us toward the cliff-edge in 2020/ 2021.By all means be Philosophical about the unsolvable riddle of Existence but populating the holes in your knowledge (and psyche) with Magical Beings is… neurotic.

mgeo
mgeo
Nov 30, 2020 2:54 PM

That too, and Buddhism. A book about 3 decades or more old described each religion as going through these stages:
:- esoteric experience
:- joy and hope
:- ritual and theology
:- social service for relevance

Perhaps the author was too polite to mention
:- OCD at the 3rd stage
:- a final stage of justifying and serving the PTB.

wardropper
wardropper
Nov 30, 2020 2:54 PM

I think you’re forgetting how old religion is, and that thousands of years ago people didn’t think about anything in the same way as we do today, since we modern humans are so secure in the knowledge that we ‘know better now’.

But just look at what is happening to the world as we speak… Is that because ‘we know better now’???

My take on this, for what it’s worth, is that religion has evolved in us quite naturally, along with an appreciation for art, beauty and Nature in general. All of those things can be, and have been, corrupted, but I’m not a believer in throwing babies out with bathwater.

Steven Augustine
Steven Augustine
Nov 30, 2020 4:42 PM
Reply to  wardropper

“I think you’re forgetting how old religion is, and that thousands of years ago people didn’t think about anything in the same way as we do today…”

How could I possibly forget that, when the tendency has obvious roots in the older (pre-Sapiens?) structures of the brain?

Steven Augustine
Steven Augustine
Nov 30, 2020 4:49 PM
Reply to  wardropper

“But just look at what is happening to the world as we speak… Is that because ‘we know better now’???”

Not at all. Obvious explanation: the Psychopaths who have caused our gravest problems (after we’d graduated from foraging and fending off wild animal attacks all day and night) now have tools beyond what their twisted progenitors’ wildest dream would have been, even in the early 20th century. Religion is certainly not the (or a) solution but it was demonstrably one of the problems, and for thousands of years.

The madness of Now is anything but an organic development. And Religion is always either a non-sequitur, a toxin or a fatal distraction.

LaoFei
LaoFei
Dec 1, 2020 2:34 AM

Love it ! I think I’m going to declare my self a born again Easter Bunnian. HAHA

Steven Augustine
Steven Augustine
Dec 1, 2020 10:19 PM
Reply to  LaoFei

I actually invented a “holiday” called “Wester” to counteract Easter (which is an annual Christian bribe for hooking kids with chocolate fertility symbols) for our then-tiny Daughter. There were treats, a ritual (making aluminum foil mice for the “Wester Owl”) and a song I wish I could remember! Laugh. Daughter loved it… we did it five or six years. Neutralized Easter effectively. Our version of Christmas was called “Shopping Day” and we’d give Daughter a bunch of cash in December, on a day of her choosing. She’s a bright, rational, happy and clued-in kid.

Moneycircus
Moneycircus
Nov 30, 2020 6:32 AM

“Questioning the foundations of one’s faith and behavior, or showing doubts about accepted wisdoms, is simply out of bounds. Who wants to be a pariah? Most B.T.’s, he concludes, don’t.”

Don’t we see that writ large right now? Can’t question Covid or take seriously the election fraud.

Jason Goodman has a fun anecdote: His NYC apartment block is all Biden supporters. Asked one of them what he thought of the election. The man volunteered that it was probably fraudulent but that didn’t shake his faith in a forthcoming Biden administration.

THX-1154
THX-1154
Nov 30, 2020 5:44 AM

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well, I guess that settles it — you can’t mention the Scientologists, even under an article which is overtly about them.

doesn’t this seem more than slightly ridiculous?

https://ifamericansknew.org/cur_sit/shahak.html

THX-1154
THX-1154
Nov 30, 2020 5:35 AM
tonyopmoc
tonyopmoc
Nov 30, 2020 5:17 AM

I am not a jew, and I do not have a problem with jews. It’s extremely likely that some of my best friends are jewish, but they have never really indicated any indication of it, and they loved my pork sausages on the BBQ…and the chicken etc, and no one admitted to be Veggie. We do Fish too.

We are basically all the same..the religion, the colour of your skin,where on the planet your grandparents came from – it doesn’t make any difference…We are all human beings.

Throughout my life, the vast majority of people all over the world, where I have visited with my wife, and girlfriend before have been completely lovely and welcoming wherever we were, especially when we were hitch hiking.

We were in our 20’s but more like teenagers

We found love wherever we went in this world -just the two of us with rucksacks..sometimes we had no idea where we going to stay the night, when we missed the last ferry. So the three of us slept on the beach…until the ferry turned up at 6:00am..but more often than not, we found a place to stay.

We found people on this planet really nice. The third person was her little brother. He is still strict Roman Catholic, whilst my wife and I Resigned Relgion when we both were 15. We didn’t know each other at the time, but we do now.

We met on a Saturday in Late November 1981 39 years ago.

She went Cherry Red The Moment I saw her.

She is still here with me. I don’t think we did anything wrong.

“the groundhogs. cherry red”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=POGsy9Ru9sE.0

Tony

LaoFei
LaoFei
Nov 30, 2020 4:04 AM

This raises an interesting question: The catholic church is under constant assault for its unwillingness to address the issue of sexual abuse, so why do we never hear a word about the sexual abuse which is (according to the author of the book) rampant in orthodox judaism ?

ZenPriest
ZenPriest
Nov 30, 2020 6:58 AM
Reply to  LaoFei

To understand who controls you, look at who you cannot criticise.

JuraCalling
JuraCalling
Dec 1, 2020 12:35 AM
Reply to  LaoFei

because it would be anti semitic probably

Judith
Judith
Nov 30, 2020 3:11 AM

A very nice review about a nice, interesting story.

I may not always agree with him but I like Lesher’s writing. Which I became familiar with here at Offg.

This is a nice respite from the daily barrage of NOvid and the ilk that planned it.

Thank you.

JoeC
JoeC
Nov 29, 2020 11:46 PM

Born again whatevers are like ex smokers. Unbearable to be around.

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Nov 30, 2020 1:01 AM
Reply to  JoeC

My attitude is to try – as much as possible – to keep an open mind.

The most relentless person I know against smoking is my twin sister who has never smoked – she just happened to pick up the book, Easy Way to Give Up Smoking, by ex-smoker, Allen Carr, in K-mart, expecting to be unimpressed but, in fact, was so impressed by his explanation of how addiction works that she has made it a lifelong project to help people quit. Whenever she comes across a smoker in her path she tries to engage them in conversation by asking, “What keeps you smoking?” in order to help them see that smoking addiction is all in the mind. Our family and friends react to her the same way they react to me when I mention 9/11.

She won’t recognise that she herself was mind-controlled to believe that alleged technical writer at Rocketdyne (who built the F1 rocket engines for the Apollo spacecraft), Bill Kaysing, the first person to say that the moon landings were a hoax, was a genuine moon hoaxer when, in fact, it is clear he was an intelligence agent whose purpose was to get all those people whose tendency is to disbelieve everything from authority by default to start spouting nonsense about the moon landings being fake in order to undermine their (and others’) credibility when they call out genuine psyops such as 9/11. As if a technical writer at Rocketdyne would speak of “sand” on the moon! It is disbelievers-by-default who undermine the credibility of those of us who judge by the evidence and I resent that! Disbelievers-by-default tend to be so arrogant about their lack of belief which probably gives the power elite the greatest chortle among all the profiles of people they dupe. As if disbelievers-by-default are not also targeted by the power elite with their mind control techniques. Do they think the power elite was born yesterday? No, of course, not. They have all bases covered in their mind control techniques including those who don’t believe a word they say! As someone said, “If you’re not wondering if you’re under mind control, you probably are.”

As a born again Orthodox Jew, in my opinion, the fact that Michael Lesher is addressing the highly-taboo subject of paedophilia within his own group is extremely admirable. I’d imagine, in fact, he’s an interesting person to talk to. Within my own family are a number of born-again Christians whom I’ve tended to avoid but I have to admit within recent times I’ve had more to do with them and not found they go on about religion nearly as much as I would have expected.

THX-1154
THX-1154
Nov 30, 2020 9:51 AM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Nov 30, 2020 11:59 AM
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Marilyn Shepherd
Marilyn Shepherd
Nov 30, 2020 5:37 AM
Reply to  JoeC

ARen’t they just, I cannot work out why they think anyone cares

wardropper
wardropper
Nov 30, 2020 3:19 PM

To be fair, genuinely religious people don’t believe something in order to persuade other people to care.
It’s when something truly ridiculous is involved, like the Flat Earth Society, that it becomes obvious that getting other people to care is of much more importance.

JuraCalling
JuraCalling
Dec 1, 2020 12:37 AM

… 👍

messenger charles
messenger charles
Nov 30, 2020 9:03 PM
Reply to  JoeC

Only Christians can be born again, that is, Spiritual regeneration. Anything else is secular nonsense and/or a mockery of the term.

Gary Morgan
Gary Morgan
Nov 29, 2020 9:56 PM

Talmud, a gift from Satan to his sons.

Sol
Sol
Nov 30, 2020 2:05 PM
Reply to  Gary Morgan

Satan, like the devil and hell, are all words stollen from the ancient stories of the Hyperboreans and repurposed to demonize the oldest mythology of the planet.

SA-TA-NA= to receive and to take the knowledge of the Aser.
devil= the weal of life (Ouroboros)
Hell= entire, healthy, hill, the temple of the ancestors.

here one more
Pan, the mythological figure half monkey and half bock, which in the same nordic mythology represents the first man on our planet.

Oh yea, now you got a new word they invented to suit their dumbing down of humanity and their demonization of the true cults of veneration of life, (pan-demic)

Research “Bock saga” to learn more about the true meaning of this words.
In it, No bloody and cannibal stories, children mutilation or murders disguised as human sacrifices.

JuraCalling
JuraCalling
Dec 1, 2020 12:31 AM
Reply to  Sol

 ”Research “Bock saga” to learn more about the true meaning of this words.”

I wondered how come I’d never heard of this historian given the odd nature of the claims cobbled together on your post. I’m also more used to thinking about Pan as a Greek God of Nature and a sort of patron saint of Shepherds. In that version he’s half Goat. Not monkey.

So, curiosity got the better of me and i fell for it.

There’s a vague reference to Pan and Chimpanzee. But it refers to a species named after him – not Pan being a monkey.

As for Bock. No wonder I hadn’t heard about him.

He was apparently a ‘Swedish speaking tour guide from Finland’, an eccentric, mythologist and TV personality.

He made some unfounded claim that he was descended from some nutcase pagan culture who claimed the ability to indulge in the hitherto unknown autofellatio exercises connected to old fertility rites.

I wonder how that works. I’m concerned by the ‘auto’ part. I have disturbing images with the world ‘themselves’ in it. 

Basically the monkey named after Pan and some invented Finnish pagans are the main characters in this bizarre claim you make.

Just plain odd.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ior_Bock