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Leave Our Kids Alone

Suzie Halewood

Softening the electorate up to the prospect of inoculating all children over the age of 12, Secretary of State Control Matt Hancock says he has been ‘closely following the results from the clinical studies from Pfizer showing that the vaccine is safe and effective among children between the ages of 12 and 18’.

While, in the US, Joe Biden appealed to schoolchildren directly to reassure them that the ‘safe and effective COVID-19 vaccine’ which has gone through a ‘rigorous’ and ‘thorough’ review, will prevent them from spreading COVID-19 ‘to their friends, to their siblings, to their parents and to the grandparents’ and encouraging parents to make sure their kids get the shot.

Does a degree in PPE qualify Matt Hancock to indefatigably state the rewards of the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine outweigh the risks for children?

Does a Political Science and History degree qualify Biden to state irrefutably that experimental COVID vaccines with no long-term safety data are safe? Could he name a single vaccine ingredient – even with the aid of an auto-cue? Has he even read the FDA report?

Has Prince Harry? Has the Pope?

According to an FDA report of Dec 12 2020 on the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine, while the more common reported adverse events following vaccination were injection site reactions (84.1%), fatigue (62.9%), headache (55.1%), muscle pain (38.3%), chills (31.9%), joint pain (23.6%) and fever (14.2%) – 0.5% reported at least one serious adverse event (i.e. life threatening injury, inpatient hospitalisation, persistent disability/incapacity or death). For children adverse events were higher – 4.6% compared to 2.8% in the older trial participants.

Yet in spite of the elevated risks associated with vaccinating the young, everybody it seems is in on the act of getting them vaccinated, including 100 US colleges who now require students to be vaccinated in order to attend in-person classes.

In fact, there is truly no low to which US states won’t sink in order to drag every child and adolescent into the largest vaccine trial in history.

Joints for jabs in Washington and New York (plus the extra sweetener of a free 7-day subway pass for getting jabbed at a subway jab-hub), $1,000 towards courses and housing costs at one New Jersey College,  $100 saving bonds for the 16-35 year olds of West Virginia, $100 to pull in Marylanders while $50 did it for Detroiters and those in Connecticut settled for a beer.  If they moved to Ohio, they would be entered into $1M prize draw with five lucky vaccinated winners.

And the goody bags don’t stop there.

There were offers of free post-jab Super Bowl and Baseball tickets, a monthly concert series in Chicago for the newly vaccinated and even Krispy Kreme, Budweiser, and Nathan’s Hot Dogs rolled up to the bargain basement vaccine sale which also proved a nice little earner for Lyft and Uber who ran millions of people to vaccination sites with a $15 sub from Joe. Never mind the blood clots – just think of the donuts!

In the UK, Geoff Barton, general secretary of the UK’s Association of School and College Leaders (ASCL) clearly hasn’t read the FDA report either. But not only does he support mass vaccination for both teachers and schoolchildren (as do all teachers’ unions) he’s happy for them all to be vaccinated during lessons:

I think there will be a sense of schools wanting to step up and play their part and explain to children why having the vaccine is important during assemblies and in tutor time.”

Children don’t need the COVID vaccine Geoff. Nor do teachers. For secondary school teachers between the ages of 20-64, the total number of deaths ‘involving’ COVID-19 in England and Wales was 35 – which includes those with co-morbidities. For primary and nursery education teaching professionals, the number was 15 – i.e. in total, less than deaths following blood clots from a single vaccine brand.

Even the prone to exaggeration Public Health England admits transmission rates in primary schools during Autumn term was ‘extremely low’ and outbreaks ‘rare’.

No matter. Prior to Pfizer’s US vaccine rollout (Pfizer has applied to the MHRA for emergency use approval for its UK vaccine rollout for 12-15-year-olds – even though there is no emergency) Bill Gruber, senior vice president at Pfizer described the trial results as having a ‘trifeca’ of good news. ‘We have safety, we got the immune response we wanted – it was actually better than what we saw in the 16 to 25-year-old population – and we had outright demonstration of efficacy.’

So what Bill? These kids don’t need your vaccine.

In the whole of the US up until April 28th 2021 there were 227 deaths in the 0-17 age group from COVID 19. That’s 277 out of 73 million in the 0-17 age group. And according to a CDC report, the recent Pfizer/BioNTech trials on 12-15-year-olds resulted in 0.8% emergency hospitalisations, 0.2% life-threatening injuries and 0.2% death. Which means a 0-17 year old is far more likely to die from a COVID vaccine than COVID.

Child fatalities are not the numbers pharmaceutical companies care about. If they did, they’d have pulled the vaccines already. 

Instead, Pfizer and BioNTech have further extended the trail to include 2-5 year olds.  Next up are 6-month to 2 year olds. What would a parent require in order to offer up their 6-month old for trials of an experimental vaccine? Free nappies?

Doesn’t bribery carry a five-year jail term? Or has it been legalised along with injecting untested, experimental vaccines with dubious efficacy and zero long-term safety data into healthy adults and children? 

Just who will stop the FDA, CDC or ACIP (the Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices endorsed the emergency use extension for 12-15-year-olds with 14-0 majority in spite of 91% of recorded adverse events in trials) from rolling out the COVID vaccines out further to those who don’t need them and for whom they could prove fatal?

Why are there no mathematical models on vaccines? Because if Neil Ferguson had used his magic coding calculator to scale up vaccine risks in children – no one would go near the things.

Once you factor in evidential data that adverse events are higher in the young, that adverse reactions following the Pfizer/BioNTech jab is doubled for those with prior immunity, that no prior immunity tests – either T-cell memory or post-COVID are carried out pre-vaccination and that the second dose is far worse than the first, it beggars belief that the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine is now being pumped into the arms of healthy 12-15-year-olds whose only vulnerability is to live in America (or Canada). How did the Land of the Free and the home of the Brave turn so easily into the Land of the Incarcerated and the Home of the Vaccinated?

The UK is no better. In fact, the only reason it is currently lagging behind with its drive to jab children, is because the Oxford/AstraZeneca drugs trial on children was pulled following concerns around blood clots.

Being as how 50 people have already died from blood clots after receiving the Oxford/AstraZeneca vaccination in the adult population, logic or at least data must surely dictate that such issues would be magnified when faced with a young, strong immune system. Compare that then to the 36 children and adolescents who died from COVID in the 0-19 year age group and it’s clear that the risks vs. rewards are most definitely not worth it. By a long way.

Regardless of which, Core Planning Scenario documents compiled by the NHS on future plans to vaccinate children are already circulating the corridors of power. The official line is that a decision is yet to be made.

In spite of an open letter send to June Raine of the MHRA from UK doctors citing Safety and Ethical Concerns Surrounding COVID-19 Vaccination in Children, the government will inevitably follow suit, as they did with the universal Lockdown Narrative of masks, social distancing and the closure of pubs, restaurants, cinemas and places of worship.

Meanwhile, the MHRA will sign on the dotted line and look forward to another few million dollars from the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation.

But could there be a glimmer of hope on the horizon? With teachers leaving their unions in droves in protest at the unions’ relentless campaigning for children to continue wearing masks in class – something teachers feel gives the profession a bad name – would it be too much of a leap to surmise that teachers (who, unlike unions, have a relationship with their pupils) may feel even more strongly about the imposition of vaccines in the classroom, either for themselves or the students?

Let’s hope so. Because when MHRA capitulates, we’re going to need those with the bravery and guts of Tiananmen Square’s Tank Man (and the lead driver of the convoy) to halt the 19th Vaccine Panza Division as it rolls into town, flanked by the crazed, syringe-wielding Generals Hancock, Zahawi and Van-Tam.

It won’t be the churches and mosques that stand in its way – they’re offering themselves up as vaccination centres. Nor will it be Save The Children who even supply their own Little Jab Book with behavioural science strategies for increasing vaccination uptake. It won’t be the AWOL GPs or disappearing human rights lawyers and it certainly won’t be the mainstream media who are the worst collaborators of all.

Currently, the only ones holding the line are parents and voluntary organisations such as Molly Kingsley founder of us for them. But if the UK Government follows Canada’s lead and hands medical consent over to 12-15 year olds, someone else might have to step up to disable the caterpillar treads of the convoy.

It could be a young student in a white shirt facing down a convoy of tanks armed with nothing but his shopping. Or it could be teacher. Not all superheroes wear capes.

Suzie Halewood is a mathematician and filmmaker. www.dv19.org

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Tom M
Tom M
May 25, 2021 7:33 PM

Yeah, Gruber, any relation to Hans Gruber? Well I hope not, but you did hit the trifecta. On page 42 of the papers you submitted to the FDA in early December of 2020 concerning the recent drug trials, there were listed 1,600 participants who had the injection and that within 7 days after getting it, they tested positive for covid. Then, for those who got the fake injection of saltwater, just over 1,800 tested positive for covid within 7 days after getting the shots.

The total for each group was about 20,000. As we are seing now, there are 1,000’s who have gotten the injections and then at some point are still testing positive for CoV-2. Your trials showed this happening. Then you came out and said the injections were 94% effective. You have assured the public these injections are safe and effective. What??

Doing a few calculations, that is hardly the case. Subtracting 1,600 from 1,800 gives you 200…that is the difference between the test groups that after 7 days tested positive for covid. Taking that 200 and dividing it by 1,800 and you get around 11-12%, which is the effectiveness rate comparing those who came down with covid after either getting the injection or getting the placebo. Only 200 fewer out of over 3,400 did not test positive for covid taking the injection.

Had your injections been 94% effective during the trials, then if 1,800 placebo participants got covid, then those getting covid after their injections would number only around 100 and not 1,600. Trust Pfizer and Moderna? Never, they can’t even get their own numbers to tell the same lies they are telling the public…all in the name of making profits at the expense of our lives and those of millions of children. Purely tyrannical that the FDA and CDC are behind this massive experiment.

Emmet John Sweeney
Emmet John Sweeney
May 24, 2021 10:58 PM

This is becoming truly alarming.

Penny
Penny
May 23, 2021 11:34 PM

I know there were some parents expressing serious concerns about the vaccines being given to children- As is already underway in the US and for that matter in Canada

It seems the CDC is investigating incidents of Myocarditis in US children who were given the Pfizer vaccine- Myocarditis is an inflamed heart- Israel had previously connected this vaccine and heart inflammation to children and younger adults. Mostly males are affected. But one female died in Israel from heart damage brought on by the vaccine.

<a href=”https://pennyforyourthoughts2.blogspot.com/2021/05/cdc-invesigating-cases-of-myocarditis.html”>CDC Investigating Cases of Myocarditis In Children Given Covid Vaccines As Canada Begins Experimental Injections On Children</a>

“The incidence of myocarditis or inflammation of the heart muscle in those getting the mRNA-based coronavirus vaccines is small, yet it has occurred frequently enough to get the attention of the CDC…

Considering the US has only been injecting young people for a short time- it sure didn’t take long for cases to show up- Canadian kids will die. Please don’t let your children get this experimental gene therapy and don’t take it yourself!

Tom M
Tom M
May 25, 2021 7:35 PM
Reply to  Penny

Oh sure, the CDC will tell you they are investigating, and investigating and still investigating. They have been doing 5-6 months of investigating and has there even been one death or major negative event associated with the injections? I don’t think so.

mara m
mara m
May 23, 2021 1:08 PM

 Urgent Petition! Comment freely from around the globe at Childrens’ Health Defense website to support their FDA petition calling for them to
·        Revoke the Emergency Use Authorizations (EUAs) for COVID vaccines
·        Refrain from licensing COVID vaccines
·        Disallow the participation of minors in COVID vaccine trials
·        Immediately revoke all EUAs permitting vaccination of minors
·        Revoke its tacit approval of pregnant women receiving COVID vaccines
·        Immediately amend its existing guidance for the use of chloroquine drugs, ivermectin, and any other safe and effective drugs against COVID.

Tim Drayton
Tim Drayton
May 24, 2021 9:44 AM
Reply to  mara m

Link?

Tom M
Tom M
May 25, 2021 7:38 PM
Reply to  Tim Drayton

You should be able to find it doing a search using– Children’s Health Defense FDA petition.

Koba
Koba
May 23, 2021 7:40 AM

We need to encourage more sheeple to take the vaccines they will hopefully all die within 5 years. I genuinely don’t see what the problem is.

rose
rose
May 22, 2021 1:53 AM

Call the licensing boards of the physicians selling this on the news as safe and complain.

It is a breach of basic medical and scientific ethic to assert safety for untested, new technology drugs under the guise of vaccinations. The drugs are not vaccines, they are mRNA & adenovirus delivery systems to introduce spike proteins into cells and rewrite immune RNA response. They have NO evidence for the claims they are making. None. Everything we are seeing goes AGAINST safety. This program should have never started, let alone expanded.

There is zero data on mid & long term effects and the drugs are ENTIRELY unnecessary.

The CDC has exposed itself as committing fraud through PCR test manipulation to drive and reduce cases according to their purpose

Here is the Parent’s Guide to New Technology ‘Vaccines’ which are group has been working to get out to parent’s and media:

What Parents Should Know: Covid-19 Vaccinations Experimental New Technology, 1000 Reports Injury (unite4truth.com)

The latest VAERS report is another heartbreak with over 200,000 injury reports and creeping up to 5,000 deaths.

34,000+ New Covid-19 Vaccine Injuries, 4,647 Deaths, Doctors, Groups Move to Halt Vaccinations (unite4truth.com)

dtanti
dtanti
May 22, 2021 3:55 PM
Reply to  rose

I haven’t yet verified this, but have heard VAERS is 3 months behind in injury/death reporting.

Ort
Ort
May 22, 2021 9:41 PM
Reply to  dtanti

I don’t know if VAERS has an official slogan, or if institutions and agencies still piously issue “Mission Statements”.

But I suggest “VAERS: A Day Late and a Dollar Short“.

Penny
Penny
May 23, 2021 11:36 PM
Reply to  dtanti

dtanti: I’ve been doing a weekly update on Canada’s vaccine system and it’s always weeks behind. I’d expect the US system would easily be further behind then ours-

Joe Van Steenbergen
Joe Van Steenbergen
May 23, 2021 12:52 AM
Reply to  rose

In years past, in a more sane world, we would NEVER have permitted a trial “vaccine” to continue that resulted in over 4,000 deaths. What the hell have we turned into?

Tom M
Tom M
May 25, 2021 7:43 PM

It’s us verses megalomaniac gates who has bought off and bribed 10% of the world’s population in order to murder the other 90% using a fake pandemic and fake vaccines.

Tom M
Tom M
May 25, 2021 7:41 PM
Reply to  rose

And you can likely multiply those numbers by at least 5 and probably 10. The FDA and CDC have their foot stuck deep into the dodo and are never going to admit they made a royal screw up allowing these poisons to be doled out like candy.

fame
fame
May 21, 2021 6:33 PM

Stop the torture of our children.
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S Cooper
S Cooper
May 21, 2021 6:48 PM
Reply to  fame

“Just what one expects from educational professionals, CHILD ABUSE. Guess from now on, every teacher certification program will be offering a course in it, which will of course include the latest techniques in it.”

Ort
Ort
May 21, 2021 9:24 PM
Reply to  fame

Gee whiz, and not so long ago a popular government/corporate buzzphrase touted the benefits and necessity of “thinking out of the box“.

The Coming Revolution
The Coming Revolution
May 21, 2021 10:47 PM
Reply to  fame

Could anyone have imagined that one day insanity becomes the rule and not the exception? Unbelievable!!!

Bruce Knowling
Bruce Knowling
May 22, 2021 8:13 AM
Reply to  fame

Now little Johnny, what will it be?
I know, a history lesson.
A hundred years ago there was the cane.
Fifty years ago there was “sit in the corner”.
Twenty years ago we found out about .. ahem!
Today there is the cane instead of the mask, the corner has moved to the desk, and the abuse has moved north.

Irresponsible and proud
Irresponsible and proud
May 22, 2021 11:48 PM
Reply to  fame

This can’t be fucking real. Weren’t the americans who made fun of their own “duck and cover” curriculum?

Tom M
Tom M
May 25, 2021 7:44 PM
Reply to  fame

That is beyond sad and abusive. No sane parent would ever go along with this madness.

ToyAussie
ToyAussie
May 21, 2021 6:04 PM

My apologies if someone already commented on this.

“A New Lockdown themed musical for primary schools (in the UK) that is getting children singing again”

From the kids musical “Wow What a year!” by Andrew Oxspring & Nick Haworth:

This number is called:

“A Shot in the Arm”

“Edward Jenner, a clever fella,
noticed people weren’t very well
apart from all those milking maids
Who didn’t catch smallpox – hmmm, very strange!
He had a notion and made a potion
Which caused a scientific commotion
A way to keep us safe from harm
Ain’t that a shot in the arm!

Chorus:
Now they’ve found a vaccine for Covid 19!
We’ll all roll up our sleeves and send it on its way
Arrivederci! Au Revoir!
Oh jubilation and celebration!
Because with just a little prick, we won’t get sick
and that will be an end to it.

So if you find a sneaky virus
Trying to find it’s way inside us
Clever folks in their white coats
Will set to work upon their microscopes
And they’ll mix a fine elixir
To keep us healthy, fighting fitter,
Hoping it will work a charm,
Ain’t that a shot in the arm!

https://www.greatreporter.com/content/4070/new-lockdown-themed-musical-primary-schools-getting-children-singing-again

This info from tweets posted by @finnyboufrey & @CharlieEmmaUK

mojo
mojo
May 21, 2021 4:32 PM

If I hadn’t had my kids 10 and 6 years ago respectively I honestly don’t think I’d have the heart to have any now. Another depop tool – putting people off having kids due to the dire dystopia they’re creating.

Paul Vonharnish
Paul Vonharnish
May 21, 2021 4:25 PM

Another shining example of the corporate model: >

J&J Vaccine Producer Grilled at House Hearing on Botched Vaccine Doses, Lavish Executive Bonuses, Stock Sales
May 20, 2021

“A House panel investigation revealed taxpayers paid Johnson & Johnson vaccine manufacturer, Emergent Biosolutions, $271 million under vaccine contracts despite “serious deficiencies” at the Baltimore plant.”

Complete page: J&J Vaccine Producer Grilled at House Hearing on Botched Vaccine Doses, Lavish Executive Bonuses, Stock Sales • Children’s Health Defense (childrenshealthdefense.org)

Fast Eddy
Fast Eddy
May 22, 2021 1:44 AM

Keep in mind — shale was the only growing source of oil:

Shale binge has spoiled US reserves, top investor warns. Financial Times.
 

A fracking binge in the American shale industry has permanently damaged the country’s oil and gas reserves, threatening hopes for a production recovery and US energy independence, according to one of the sector’s top investors.
 

Wil VanLoh, chief executive of Quantum Energy Partners, a private equity firm that through its portfolio companies is the biggest US driller after ExxonMobil, said too much fracking had “sterilised a lot of the reservoir in North America”.
 

“That’s the dirty secret about shale,” Mr VanLoh told the Financial Times, noting wells had often been drilled too closely to one another. “What we’ve done for the last five years is we’ve drilled the heart out of the watermelon.”
 

Soaring shale production in recent years took US crude output to 13m barrels a day this year and brought a rise in oil exports, allowing President Donald Trump to proclaim an era of “American energy dominance”.
 

Total US oil reserves have more than doubled since the start of the century as hydraulic fracturing, or fracking, and horizontal drilling unleashed reserves previously considered out of reach.
 
 
But the pandemic-induced crash, which sent US crude prices to less than zero in April, has devastated a shale patch that was already out of favor with Wall Street for its failure to generate profits, even while it made the country the world’s biggest oil and gas producer.
 
The number of operating rigs has collapsed by more than 60% since the start of the year. US output is now about 11m barrels a day, according to the US Energy Information Administration, or 15% less than the peak.
 
“Even if we wanted to, I don’t think we could get much above 13m” barrels a day, Mr VanLoh said. “I don’t think it’s physically possible, because we’ve messed up so much reservoir. I would argue that what the US was touting three or four years ago, in theoretical deliverability, is nowhere close to what we think it is now.”
 
He said operators had carried out “massive fracks” that created “artificial, permanent porosity”, inadvertently reducing the pressure in reservoirs and therefore the available oil.
The comments will cause alarm in the shale patch, given the crucial role of investors such as QEP in financing the onshore American oil business.

Nice Smeagol
Nice Smeagol
May 21, 2021 12:25 PM

Vaccine vs. Logic

I have been told to take the Flu Vaccine evey year because I have asthma. I always refused because I just didn’t think the Flu was something that could take me out. I think I have had it before. I mean I have been ill before, coughing, wheezing, fever, shivers, shakes, etc. but I never died from it.

Anyway about 13 or 14 years ago I decided to take it after a company doctor brow beat me into submission by telling me I was stupid and selfish. She told me that it was not just my own health that was in danger but hundreds of thousands of others who might die because of people like me who refuse to take a vaccine.

I caved in, thinking that this doctor was right I am irresponsible, stupid and very selfish.

Subsequently, I came down with a very long lingering flu-like (though not as severe as my previous ones) illness that lasted for almost 3 months. Being a selfish and stupid bugger and all that I had a good hard think about it and I have never taken one since and like always I just stay at home when I do get sick.

I thought that if hundreds of thousands of vulnerable people are dieing from the flu every year does that mean that not enough people are taking the vaccines or does it mean that not enough ‘vulnerable’ people are taking the vaccine? Or does it simply mean the vaccine doesn’t bloody work on the really old, infirm and vulnerable?

If the vaccine does work and all of the vulnerable people take it then it should have stopped all of them from dieing right?

I mean who really cares about all of those stupid and selfish ones who don’t take it, you know the ones like me?

So why won’t I take this life saving vaccine that will not only save me but Hundreds of thousands of others?

That doctor would have me believe it is because I am stupid and selfish but really I am giving up my dose to help save someone more vulnerable and in need than me.

Well, we’ve all got to die of something, at some stage right?

So after a long hard think and after watching a BBC report on us selfish humans buying disposable plastic bags and ruining the eco-system without a second thought for the animals God knows I don’t want to hang around here for much longer. I mean the solution to raise the price of a disposable bag is just brilliant right? An idiot and selfish pratt like me would just order all disposable single use plastic bags illegal but where’s the profit in that right?

I’m so ignorant and will most likely die of ignorance….

Paul Vonharnish
Paul Vonharnish
May 21, 2021 4:10 PM
Reply to  Nice Smeagol

Hello Nice Smeagol: Your “doctor” was projecting their own stupid and selfish persona. End of story…

Edith
Edith
May 21, 2021 4:15 PM
Reply to  Nice Smeagol

Apart from people having a bad reaction as you did, there are studies of efficacy of flu vax and from what I gather it is approx 10% for folks over 70…. and supposedly higher for younger ones…yet they do all the oldies in care each year and these days one is banned from visiting during flu season if one refuses to be vax…

so same idiot logic….the aged care facility which has a friend of mine imprisoned, is very proud of how it kept its oldies alive and free of covid and flu…we won’t mention that 10 died last March basically from loneliness and distress….and staff had to be counselled as that was a very high number for their small institution…

so much stupidity abroad these days

Claret
Claret
May 23, 2021 12:44 AM
Reply to  Edith

‘there are studies of efficacy of flu vax and from what I gather it is approx 10% for folks over 70…. and supposedly higher for younger ones…yet they do all the oldies in care each year and these days one is banned from visiting during flu season if one refuses to be vax…’
…..
Yes Edith, I read somewhere in some drug company blurb claiming it’s around 30-40% efficacy in all age groups. One might as well flip a coin and decide whether to have it or not. Allegedly the flu vax works for some people and not for others.Hmm…right.
Also, I think that the placebo effect is something which is often overlooked.The power of suggestion is an interesting subject.

Watt
Watt
May 21, 2021 11:16 PM
Reply to  Nice Smeagol

There might also be a financial subtext to the desire to have all of their patients vaccinated!
Nice little earner, as they say.

Claret
Claret
May 23, 2021 12:35 AM
Reply to  Nice Smeagol

I’ve heard quite a few reports of people getting ill from the flu vaccine and then deciding not to have it any more and just take their chances getting flu.
A friend of mine (asthmatic) had the flu vaccine a few times but stopped after deciding she didn’t need it – that was quite a few years ago and she hasn’t had flu since then either. She’s also been cutting down her asthma meds and has not felt any different.

Tom M
Tom M
May 25, 2021 7:47 PM
Reply to  Nice Smeagol

You won’t die. But listening to your pharma salesman doctor just might shorten your life.

George Mc
George Mc
May 21, 2021 12:20 PM

Apologies if anyone has already linked to this but it’s good stuff:

https://www.uncommonwisdom.online/post/travesties-the-covid-lexicon-of-lies

Telling excerpts:

The “conspiracy” manoeuvre:

“Inconvenient data can be shunned, ignored, or alleged to flow from “conspiracy theorists” which taints even evident facts apparently, so they lose all their relevance.”

That’s the conspiracy phobia scam in a nutshell. It doesn’t matter how much evidence backs up an assertion, all you have to do to make it disappear is to say, “But that’s a conspiracy theory!”

And this one for the Left:

“Let us truly mourn the complete collapse of a fighting spirit, as centuries of civilizational fortitude come unraveled at daily panic porn numbers.”

I can imagine the spirit of Czar Nicolas II watching the COVID con and thinking, “Damn! Why didn’t I think of that?”

THX-1160
THX-1160
May 21, 2021 12:27 PM
Reply to  George Mc

— because a century ago, people weren’t nearly this stupid.

suddyan
suddyan
May 21, 2021 2:27 PM
Reply to  THX-1160

[— because a century ago, people weren’t nearly this stupid.]

Yeah right. People have always been stupid. As stupid as they are now, as stupid were they in the past.

PS. Start with neuropsychological research into “rosy memories.” Until you have done so, your narrative fitting one-liner is just what I have called it.

Victor G.
Victor G.
May 21, 2021 9:27 PM
Reply to  suddyan

Good thing folks like you are not stupid! Thanks, mate!

Edwige
Edwige
May 21, 2021 11:11 AM

A few other things going on:

1) Biden heroically and single-handedly brings peace to Gaza – after eleven days (one of the most highly occulted numbers). Not at all contrived.
2) Biden also moves to set up a pre-crime agency:
https://www.eurasiareview.com/20052021-well-all-be-targeted-under-the-us-governments-new-precrime-program-oped/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+eurasiareview%2FVsnE+%28Eurasia+Review%29
3) Any putative fake EMP attack needs a source. Step forward:
https://www.independent.co.uk/space/fast-radio-bursts-frb-spiral-arms-b1850996.html

George Mc
George Mc
May 21, 2021 10:54 AM

A comment on Lockdown Skeptics noted that ‘Dr Richard Vautrey, the BMA GP committee England chairman, said tens of thousands of GPs felt “anger, frustration and disappointment” about the way they had been treated by health officials, accusing them of failing to “recognise and celebrate” the contribution GPs had made to the response to the pandemic.’

Unfortunately the LS commenter then inconsistently went on to blast “the massive arrogance of the medical profession”. This profession is clearly divided. And I reckon the main division is that the BMA like the teaching unions is fully on board with Operation COVID. Meanwhile the actual “workers at the coal face” know the whole thing is bullshit.

So here’s the scenario I envisage: Boris phones up the unions and says, “So here’s what we’ll do. I’ll rage against the lockdowns while you smugly quote pseudo scientific shite and complain about murderous herd immunity and uncaring capitalism. Then we can have the Right-on Left idiots cheer on while I kick and scream while you drag me into the revolution!”

JudyJ
JudyJ
May 21, 2021 10:12 AM

One man in Belgium has decided to take it upon himself to seek retribution against those behind lockdowns and vaccines. I shall keep this post objective as I do not want there to be any suggestion that I regard him as admirable in his convictions. Nor, heaven forbid, am I suggesting that this may ultimately be the only kind of approach that gets through to the frauds and heinous criminals who are destroying people’s lives and livelihoods.

https://www.dw.com/en/belgium-police-hunt-for-soldier-who-threatened-top-virologist/a-57578787

There are some interesting, but not surprising, comments about the man in the article. He is a “suspected far right extremist” and “had extreme views and ideas associated with the extreme right”. We are not told what the basis for these assertions is…we have to draw our own conclusions.

Added to that, the ‘targeted’ virologist, Marc van Ranst, comments that “Being against covid and covid vaccines too often coincides with glorification of violence and raw racism. I am not surprised that threats come almost exclusively from that quarter”. I wonder if thousands of eminent and respected scientists worldwide consider themselves admirers of violence and ‘raw racism’.

Nice Smeagol
Nice Smeagol
May 21, 2021 11:20 AM
Reply to  JudyJ

This is exactly what van Ranst and his like want. The more he makes people who are against vaccinations look like unhinged psychopaths the more support and legitimacy his calls for vaccinations gain.

I wish people like this ex-military guy would stop playing into the hands of these so called medical experts (but in reality medical politicians and corporate financial grubs). They just need to be met with reason and good old fashioned refusal to cooperate.

Make them take the violent steps/threats other wise we lose again and again.

S Cooper
S Cooper
May 21, 2021 11:51 AM
Reply to  Nice Smeagol

“Van Ranst is an unhinged criminal psychopath. He and his Nazi cohorts have a lot more rocket launchers than that fellow (if the fellow exists at all). Focus on Van Ranst and his criminal associates and how we are going to bring them to account for their CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY.”

Nice Smeagol
Nice Smeagol
May 21, 2021 12:34 PM
Reply to  S Cooper

Then let van Ranst come at us with his rocket launchers.

S Cooper
S Cooper
May 21, 2021 1:29 PM
Reply to  Nice Smeagol

“The best insurance against that possibility is not only for him to go but for him and his criminal associates to be brought to account for their abuse of public office and public trust. Let them serve as lessons for anyone else considering such excesses/abuses of power of office that were granted to them in good faith by WE THE PEOPLE.”

suddyan
suddyan
May 21, 2021 2:37 PM
Reply to  S Cooper

[“Van Ranst is an unhinged criminal psychopath. He and his Nazi cohorts have a lot more rocket launchers than that fellow (if the fellow exists at all). Focus on Van Ranst and his criminal associates and how we are going to bring them to account for their CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY.”]

I see you use the same techniques as Van Ranst.

I have lesser regard for him because of his techniques. And for you? Well, you do use the same techniques, right?

S Cooper
S Cooper
May 21, 2021 4:59 PM
Reply to  suddyan

“Ah, the old those who fight Hitler and Mussolini are Hitler and Mussolini argument. Seems like someone has not yet decided who the enemy is or even whether they wish to live or die. When they have decided they should feel free to let everyone here know. PS Still not going to stop Van Ranst and his abusive unhinged psychopath criminal associates from being brought to account for their CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY.”
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https://www.reddit.com/r/TrueAntiVaccination/comments/ng8kmw/testimonial_of_a_woman_claiming_her_mother_died/

“They are Nazi monsters.”

Dr. Sok
Dr. Sok
May 22, 2021 3:04 AM
Reply to  S Cooper

Looks like the pub 2 weeks ago, all those people .

elsewhere
elsewhere
May 21, 2021 11:41 AM
Reply to  JudyJ

And have you seen this:

During a manhunt for the military, pandemic law is voted…

https://bewusteburgers.be/blog/2021/05/21/tijdens-klopjacht-op-militair-wordt-pandemiewet-gestemd/

(translate with Google translate is needed)

Orthus
Orthus
May 21, 2021 11:50 AM
Reply to  elsewhere

You are really recommending Google?

StartHere
StartHere
May 21, 2021 1:07 PM
Reply to  elsewhere

Do we really need to wean people off Google – the corporation which destroys democracy (it owns youtube) and works with nsa to spy on people? Oh but it’s CONVENIENT!

Try https://www.deepl.com/translator reportedly it works better! That’s convenient.

suddyan
suddyan
May 21, 2021 2:35 PM
Reply to  JudyJ

[Added to that, the ‘targeted’ virologist, Marc van Ranst, comments that “Being against covid and covid vaccines too often coincides with glorification of violence and raw racism. I am not surprised that threats come almost exclusively from that quarter”.]

Yup, the smear of the “other.” Coupled with the implied self-congratulatory smirk – “I am not like those awful people” – of the “noble” self.

Always conveniently and easily available when needed. And indiscriminately wielded by too many in both the ideological “right” and the ideological “left.”

Victor G.
Victor G.
May 21, 2021 9:32 PM
Reply to  JudyJ

F.F.? … F.F.!!!

Brian Sides
Brian Sides
May 21, 2021 10:08 AM

In the UK the USA and many other parts of the world.
They are removing a lot of the stupid Covid restrictions or promising to do so. They say on the basis that so many have or will be vaccinated.
Despite the manufactures of the vaccines saying it does not stop you getting Covid or spreading it but supposedly helps with the symptoms. Ignoring that there are a lot of tried and trusted ways to help with Flu like symptoms.
There was a wonderful BBC animation explaining how this helps. That it makes sense if you have less symptoms that you cough and sneeze less you are less likely to spread Covid.
It’s an animation every thing needs to be reduced to a child’s level for the child like adult audience.
Completely forgetting that the whole lock down of healthy people was predicated on the possibility of asymptomatic spread. Where people with out symptoms who did not cough or sneeze could somehow be super spreaders.
But they can ignore any of the fake pretend realties as it suites them.
The public with there gold fish memories happily accept the new realties completely forgetting the previous reality that has just gone.
There is even some 1984 rewritting of history. With previous news stories with the old reality disappearing or being rewritten.
But just as they give so they can take away. So long as people accept it.
Have they forgotten that powerful word “NO”

Dr. Sok
Dr. Sok
May 22, 2021 3:16 AM
Reply to  Brian Sides

True, though I maintain that non compliance is universal. Authority is only granted.

George Mc
George Mc
May 21, 2021 8:32 AM

A whole new one to worry about (from Beeby)

“India’s states should declare an epidemic following a rise in deadly “black fungus” cases, the country’s health authorities has said.

The normally rare infection, called mucormycosis, has a mortality rate of 50%, with some only saved by removing an eye or jaw bone.

But in recent months, India saw thousands of cases affecting recovered and recovering Covid-19 patients.

Doctors suspect there may be a link with the steroids used to treat Covid.

Diabetics are at particular risk, with doctors telling the BBC it seems to strike 12 to 15 days after recovery from Covid.”

Big cash bonanza from “covid related” or to be more precise “alleged covid treatment related” illnesses.

Edwige
Edwige
May 21, 2021 9:01 AM
Reply to  George Mc

“some only saved by removing an eye”.

Blatant Freemasonic all-seeing eye symbolism.

Cascadian
Cascadian
May 21, 2021 8:28 AM

Does this remind anyone of that Pink Floyd hit? Vaxxer! Leave our kids alone!!

THX-1160
THX-1160
May 21, 2021 8:40 AM
Reply to  Cascadian

Brian Sides
Brian Sides
May 21, 2021 10:52 AM
Reply to  THX-1160

In the video the teacher is vigorously giving a kid the slipper.
I remember when I was six a religious teacher giving me the slipper. Amongst the may times I got corporal punishment. Be it the cane or slipper. I was 15 the last time just before I left school. A female teacher in front of the class got me to put my hand out while she gave me six with a ruler , I ignored the pain and shrugged my shoulders. I wish I had said you are not stopping now I was just starting to enjoy it.

suddyan
suddyan
May 21, 2021 2:47 PM
Reply to  Brian Sides

[A female teacher in front of the class got me to put my hand out while she gave me six with a ruler , I ignored the pain and shrugged my shoulders. I wish I had said you are not stopping now I was just starting to enjoy it.]

When I grew up it was a badge of honour to receive six across the backside with a cane.

We used to compare in the boys’ room afterwards and the worst red, sometimes purple, marks gave you the bragging rights.

Now in the much later years of my life I have zero bad feelings against any of my teachers. This whole modern “scarring the innocent boys” thing is overwhemingly emotional hogwash.

THX-1160
THX-1160
May 22, 2021 7:21 AM
Reply to  suddyan

— and now we know where government spooks come from.

Dr. Sok
Dr. Sok
May 22, 2021 3:24 AM
Reply to  Brian Sides

Is that some joke like, ‘ I have twelve in inches, but I don’t use it as a rule’….sorry;)

Rhys Jaggar
Rhys Jaggar
May 21, 2021 8:49 AM
Reply to  Cascadian

‘Hey! Boris!! Leave our kids alone!
All in all you’re just a-nother prick on the wall!

All in all, you’re just a-nother prick on the wall!’

For non-UK political anoraks, 10 Downing Street has a picture of every historical UK Prime Minister on the wall…..

sabelmouse
sabelmouse
May 21, 2021 12:06 PM
Reply to  Rhys Jaggar

but where ARE the parents, re old school issues, or this? some of us have unschooled our children and would not put masks on them now, or let them have vaccines, let alone this .

Despair!
Despair!
May 21, 2021 12:46 PM
Reply to  Rhys Jaggar

We Don’t Need No Vaccination

Ooink
Ooink
May 21, 2021 9:15 AM
Reply to  Cascadian

Unfortunately Roger Waters of Pink Floyd is a rabid Branch Kovidian.

THX-1160
THX-1160
May 21, 2021 9:32 AM
Reply to  Ooink

reference?

Jacques
Jacques
May 21, 2021 9:40 AM
Reply to  THX-1160

I don’t know whether he is, but you’d expect that the generation of people for who the Wall was made, which is people roughly 50-60 years old, would live their lives is some approximate conformity to the message … The opposite seems to be the case. Conformism is rampant among them, they’re just about all the fucking wall.

KGW
KGW
May 21, 2021 11:55 AM
Reply to  THX-1160

His “twatter” account probably tells you want you want to know.

Mr Y
Mr Y
May 21, 2021 11:06 AM
Reply to  Ooink

“Unfortunately Roger Waters of Pink Floyd is a rabid Branch Kovidian.”

Not that I care that much but I didn’t know, any refs to share?

J Jones
J Jones
May 21, 2021 11:42 AM
Reply to  Ooink

Is he?

sabelmouse
sabelmouse
May 21, 2021 12:09 PM
Reply to  Ooink

so many are, also writers who have written novels about corruption/dystopian situations ectr.

Arby
Arby
May 21, 2021 12:43 PM
Reply to  Ooink

Really! That’s so disappointing if so. He was so good on the Palestinians. Pod people. They are still there but they are different people altogether. It’s not the rapture, at least not the way Christendom explains it. Jesus said people would be there one minute and gone the next. He didn’t say that they’d be taken anywhere. That’s because they’re not physical taken. They just up and bow to Satan and that makes them, from God’s standpoint…. gone.

Victor G.
Victor G.
May 21, 2021 9:37 PM
Reply to  Ooink

The Bastard!

Jeffrey Strahl
Jeffrey Strahl
May 21, 2021 7:56 AM

California now sending people to go door to door to ask residents if they’ve gotten jabbed. I plan to tell them NOYB. Or NOYFB. (none of …..)

Bruce Tonka
Bruce Tonka
May 21, 2021 8:01 AM
Reply to  Jeffrey Strahl

I was planning on GFY

THX-1160
THX-1160
May 21, 2021 8:41 AM
Reply to  Jeffrey Strahl

“got jabbed?”

“get fucked!”

Jacques
Jacques
May 21, 2021 9:03 AM
Reply to  Jeffrey Strahl

Much more effective than telling them to fuck off will be leaving them standing on your doorstep for a while … just say, wait a minute, I got something on the stove, I’ll be right back. Come after 15 minutes. So, what you got guys, let me hear it. Then you’ll have to answer the phone and run off again. After another 20 minutes, you come back and finally tell them to get the fuck lost and stop trespassing. You will have wasted about half an hour of their time and demoralized them to no end. With any luck, they’ll say, fuck this shit and quit.

THX-1160
THX-1160
May 21, 2021 9:29 AM
Reply to  Jacques

an amusing variation might be to pretend that you were completely unaware that there was supposed to be a civilization-destroying pandemic, on account of not having a TV. inquire as to where the piles of bodies are being concealed. make them give you a complete history of the last fifteen months, and explain why you should believe that you are in grave danger unless you get vaccinated. if done properly, this may cause them to begin to doubt their own story.

I just thought of that. I’ll have to try it out, on my next unmuzzled grocery shopping expedition. if they ask me what I thought was the reason for so many people wearing masks, I’ll say I assumed it was to stop bugs from flying into their mouth.

Jacques
Jacques
May 21, 2021 9:35 AM
Reply to  THX-1160

Totally. You gotta think out of the box and do the unexpected.

Don’t fight the enemy using weapons they expect that you’ll use.

EDITH
EDITH
May 21, 2021 9:37 AM
Reply to  THX-1160

i see that there is a US senate enquiry happening re the needle at the moment and a very lucid congressman not happy about it all and children being next or business requiring people to be injected to hold there jobs…..have not seen a whisper of this on MSM….. naturally.

Victor G.
Victor G.
May 21, 2021 9:40 PM
Reply to  EDITH

“I’ve seen the needle and the damage done … “

sabelmouse
sabelmouse
May 21, 2021 12:10 PM
Reply to  THX-1160

great idea!

Victor G.
Victor G.
May 21, 2021 9:39 PM
Reply to  Jeffrey Strahl

Thanks! I’m in the Control Group!

Jacques
Jacques
May 21, 2021 7:49 AM

But – we’re still a-livin’ – so everything’s Okay

Here is an ol’ song for all them whiners who see the glass half full if not fucking empty or broken.

As long as you have a breath in you, there is hope!

Bruce Tonka
Bruce Tonka
May 21, 2021 8:00 AM
Reply to  Jacques

That rather depends on what is in the “vaccine” don’t you think?

Jacques
Jacques
May 21, 2021 8:06 AM
Reply to  Bruce Tonka

You don’t get it.

The more you’ll run at the mouth about the vaccine, the more you’ll be inhibited from doing something useful.

How many fucking times do you need to repeat that the vaccine is not a vaccine but a genetic shit and that the chances are kinda very fucking high that it will turn you into an android if not an ex-Bruce Tonka?

Victor G.
Victor G.
May 21, 2021 9:41 PM
Reply to  Jacques

Yeah!

Rhisiart Gwilym
Rhisiart Gwilym
May 21, 2021 8:37 AM
Reply to  Jacques

Is this just a quick visit back to O-G, Jacques, to swear at us briefly again, before rushing back to your campaign of REALLY EFFECTIVE ACTIVISM? How’s that going, by the way? Do tell…!

Jacques
Jacques
May 21, 2021 8:51 AM

You’re a multitudinous entity? Schizophrenic? Are there several yous where you’re corresponding from? Why do you keep referring to yourself in plural? You’ve been empowered to speak for somebody else?

Don’t think so.

Worry about yourself. Didn’t you read to seek a helping hand at the end of your arm?

Incidentally, didn’t I tell you to find yourself somebody else to vent your frustrations? Buzz off, loser!

mojo
mojo
May 21, 2021 4:13 PM
Reply to  Jacques

You’re such a rude twat.

Jacques
Jacques
May 21, 2021 8:47 PM
Reply to  mojo

Fuck you, you self-appointed/righteous guardian of pompous propriety.

I’m trying to express a viewpoint here and there, maybe have an open-minded conversation. I get routinely accosted by all sorts of dimwits who resent that I don’t bleat as they do.

You don’t want to read what I write? Fine. You want to make a constructive comment? Great. You wanna jerk off about what I am or what I’m not? Go fuck yourself.

Victor G.
Victor G.
May 21, 2021 9:45 PM
Reply to  mojo

Afford Jacques compassion, mojo … he doesn’t even know what the word means and besides, he is struggling with a heavy karmic load …

suddyan
suddyan
May 21, 2021 2:52 PM

[…before rushing back to your campaign of REALLY EFFECTIVE ACTIVISM? How’s that going, by the way? Do tell…!]

Ooh my, sounds like there is quite a lot of hurt feelings behinf that response…

Bruce Tonka
Bruce Tonka
May 21, 2021 7:27 AM

Umm let me see. There is no pandemic, no virus, no obvious disease if you ignore the news. Even if I caught this imaginary virus I would have a 99.99% chance of surviving. (which is higher than driving my car or going for a jog)
I know! I’ll inject viral vectors of unknown origin into my blood. Then I’ll do it to my kids. mRNA Mr Not Applicable. Are these people insane? Are they from this planet?

Marilyn Shepherd
Marilyn Shepherd
May 21, 2021 8:40 AM
Reply to  Bruce Tonka

Brainwashed nutters, have you read a single Australian paper where it’s wall to wall vax propaganda and hysteria, today after nearly 18 million ”tests” we reached 30,000 so called positives for something.

David
David
May 21, 2021 9:37 AM

Hey Marilyn, just read that “vaccine-hesitancy” in Aussies is now running at 30% (if you believe a poll) and that is UP from the last count.
So, contrary to world opinion, maybe you lot aren’t a complete bunch of thickos after all !!

Jacques
Jacques
May 21, 2021 6:45 AM

As far as kids …

Many people must have been raised and have lived their lives in adherence to such values as respect for authority, good citizenship, general obedience, or even batshit crazy stuff like placing trust in God (that would be the bearded fella who allegedly sits behind the nearest cloud and watchfully observes that you don’t fuck around, kinda the predecessor of the covidian scienticist).

Notwithstanding the fact that some of these values are inherently flawed, such as respecting authority or trusting some random god, even the good ones have been inverted and turned against people with a view to fucking them over, subjugating them, making them a docile herd of sheeple.

Time to instill in your kids that these values and concepts are conditional on not being detrimental to oneself. Some of them, you might wanna jettison for good, such as respect for authority and, more importantly, trust in God. Respect whoever deserves respect, and make sure that it’s reciprocal. Trust yourself, not some talking head in some opulent building with a guy nailed to a cross behind him. He knows shit, you know better.

Raise your kids to be resilient, tough, to seek helping hand at the end of their arm. Not to trust nobody. Don’t squash their spirit of rebellion if they have it, they’ll need it. Don’t chastise them if they tell some asshole to go fuck himself (such as a vaccine peddler). Say attaboy/girl and pat them on the back. Smashing the bully’s face in is the best strategy for getting him off your back. Teach them to be cunning and look for cracks in the system – the system has no mercy for them either. Encourage them to hitch their wagon to a star, but explain that they’re entitled to nothing – they have to earn achievements.

So on, so forth. To a large extent, they’ll have to fight this battle on their own.

kevin morris
kevin morris
May 21, 2021 7:24 AM
Reply to  Jacques

Sadly, you fail to realise that the resilience you seek for children vanished long ago and much of that because of prior vaccination. More than fifty percent of children and adolescents are now chronically ill and don’t blame God for this- blame the fact that babies already get a huge number of vaccinations courtesy of their kind, often atheistic health visitors. Meanwhile, the WHO, UNESCO. and every media commentator since the figures first appeared twenty years ago, feigns ignorance as to why one in four of the world population of children is now mentally ill with the incidence of autism set to rise to one in two in the next few years.

Finally, many of those who are most vocal about the abomination of vaccination in general and Wuhan virus vaccination in particular, happen to have religious beliefs, for what is happening now is utterly diabolical.

Jacques
Jacques
May 21, 2021 7:40 AM
Reply to  kevin morris

Wherefrom you’ve extrapolated that I blame some God, I understand not. I’m not aware of the tangible existence of any God; thus, I can’t blame him. In fact, I completely ignore his alleged existence. It’s served me rather well.

I’d encourage people to question it when somebody, such as a weirdly dressed person – whether in a building full of symbols of a guy nailed to a cross or in a building full of syringes, tells them that they have to do this and that and the other thing because … (enter your favorite indoctrination bullshit), and draw their own conclusions.

Every person is born free, void of any bullshit indoctrination, and that’s the way it should stay.

As to the allegedly vanished resilience, fuck such defeatist bullshit. If resilience has vanished, it’s largely because kids have been pampered into entitled oblivion by helicopter parenting. Kids are, or can be, and will have to be (!), tougher than you think.

Stop whining about how fucked up things are and look for ways out of it.

Tim Drayton
Tim Drayton
May 21, 2021 8:34 AM
Reply to  Jacques

I fully agree that we have to look for a way out. So what is it?

Jacques
Jacques
May 21, 2021 8:58 AM
Reply to  Tim Drayton

Well, Tim, everybody has to find their own way. What is right for me might not be right for you and for others. You first need to look for answers within, as opposed to expecting that someone else, an authority, will deliver them. That, actually, is the very essence of the problem we’re facing.

Authority and hierarchy vs. individuality and lateral equality.

If you’re asking about some practical suggestions about imminent things, then I suggest that you fake, dodge, play stupid, bribe, run for the hills, stuff like that. But this is a long-term problem – people have to realize that the old world is corrupt, good and evil inverted, and set to work to make something better.

Bob the Hod
Bob the Hod
May 21, 2021 10:24 AM
Reply to  Jacques

Nail on the head again, brother. Superman isn’t coming to save anybody soon, we can only save ourselves, we can only free our own minds, although I’m doing everything in my power to make sure that my son also thinks for himself. So far, so good.

Jacques
Jacques
May 21, 2021 10:57 AM
Reply to  Bob the Hod

There you go. The opposite of being under the spell of one authority – the covidian establishment – is not looking for another authority to tell you what to do.

People have to become more confident as individuals. The way I see humanity is a society of voluntarily cooperating independent free entities. Not a herd of generic units forming a homogeneous mass.

suddyan
suddyan
May 21, 2021 3:40 PM
Reply to  Jacques

[Authority and hierarchy vs. individuality and lateral equality.]

Authority and hierarchy is almost inherent in us humans. It always rears its heads, and – in my opinion – even more so in those ideologies that purport to “fight” against it.

No “something better” will be really better unless it (1) openly acknowledges that phenomenon (viz. the endless, almost inevitable, emergence of authority and hierarchy amongst humans), and (2) curtail the emergence thereof sufficiently to prevent its – just as inevitable – destructive outcomes.

While I am a staunch supporter of maximising individual freedom, I have no idea what you imply by “lateral equality.” I am no adherent of blind, enforced “equality.” Yes, us humans are somewhat “hard-wired” towards a modicum of equality, but even at best that is only of secondary importance to our penchant for fairness.

Fairness implies that the hunter who performed the most risky tasks during the hunt is inherently viewed by us as being more deserving (whether that is as having more “say” in decision-making among the hunting-foraging group or in whatever other way).

Jacques
Jacques
May 21, 2021 7:49 PM
Reply to  suddyan

By lateral equality, I mean an arrangement in which there is no hierarchy, no authority, all people are free individuals, and interact with one another on a lateral equal-to-equal basis.

I’d say that an arrangement like that would be the pinnacle of societal development, despite seemingly utopian.

But hey, you gotta have some ideal to work toward to.

I don’t know whether the concept of authority /hierarchy is inherent to humans. If it is, it’s obviously (potentially very) detrimental to freedom, which seems to be another concept inherent to humans (no being likes being caged). One of these gotta go.

David
David
May 21, 2021 9:41 AM
Reply to  Jacques

Every person is born free, void of any bullshit indoctrination, and that’s the way it should stay.

Hey Jacques, seeing as most of your posts are an attempt at “bullshit indoctrination” where’d you get the exemption pass ?

Jacques
Jacques
May 21, 2021 10:25 AM
Reply to  David

V prdeli pablbe.

David
David
May 21, 2021 10:35 AM
Reply to  Jacques

So you’re adept at Czech slang. Gold star, numpty

Jacques
Jacques
May 21, 2021 10:53 AM
Reply to  David

Ca parait que tu viens de rater une belle occasion de garder ton ostie de guelle fermee …

Decolle, tabarnak …

David
David
May 21, 2021 10:54 AM
Reply to  Jacques

Fuck off, nonce

suddyan
suddyan
May 21, 2021 3:47 PM
Reply to  David

[Hey Jacques, seeing as most of your posts are an attempt at “bullshit indoctrination” where’d you get the exemption pass ?]

Your fallacy is equivocation.

What commenter Jacques appears to be doing is presenting and reasoning his position.

To label it “bullshit indoctrination” seems – to me – just your way of avoiding engagement with the position as presented and reasoned.

PS. I differ with Jacques. I am not defending him. What I am defending is honest debate from a principled perspective. In an ideal world, I should not have to make this clarification, but sadly snide “debate” by labelling others’ views as “bullshit indoctrination” will ever be with us.

Jacques
Jacques
May 21, 2021 8:04 PM
Reply to  suddyan

You’re on the wrong planet. Believe it or not, but I haven’t come across a person who would say, and do, that in decades. Some people get close, but you truly a) seem to know what you’re talking about (much more than I do … ha ha …) and b) seem to wanna have a debate the purpose whereof is to confront one’s standpoint, perhaps test its veracity in an argument with an interlocutor who harbors a different view.

Quite unique!

suddyan
suddyan
May 21, 2021 3:24 PM
Reply to  Jacques

[As to the allegedly vanished resilience, fuck such defeatist bullshit. If resilience has vanished, it’s largely because kids have been pampered into entitled oblivion by helicopter parenting.]

I have also observed similar.

Based on that, I have further wondered what social, political, and cultural shifts have led to such increased “pamper[ing] into entitled oblivion.”

While I have some theories, I would in the future hope to read your thoughts on that without being primed by my own speculations.

The same invitation obviously also applies to all other commenters. What factors or changes contributed to the shift toward eminently notable “pamper[ing] … and … helicopter parenting?”

So I leave it at that.

Jacques
Jacques
May 21, 2021 8:00 PM
Reply to  suddyan

My guess that it’s the inevitable effect of hardship – whether actual or perceived – experienced by parents, which they didn’t want kids to go through as well. Hence, they swarmed them with goodies so to as to make their lives pleasurable, to avail them of what they couldn’t have, failing to realize that it would make them weaker. This went hand in hand with various crazy psychological concepts that further exacerbated this phenomenon.

Bottom line, people have had it too good, got lazy, their natural abilities have atrophied. Down the drain they’ll go. Or going, as we speak.

Something like that.

Vryburger
Vryburger
May 21, 2021 9:28 AM
Reply to  Jacques

If one rejects the existence of a Creator then the only other option is to place your belief in chance. But if the universe with all its finally tuned laws, and life, and human beings themselves are just the result of so many accidents, well then what could possibly be wrong with getting rid of 3 or 4 billion of those accidents? What, after all, is the meaning of right and wrong in a meaningless universe?

And again, if one denies the existence of an Absolute outside of the cosmos, then you have no choice but to make some relative aspect within the cosmos your absolute. And isn’t it true that for the secular West that absolute has become reason and science? And isn’t it so that in our desperation to hold on to something we have developed such a high regard for science that we unquestioningly bow before the authority of scientists? And isn’t that why, in part, the West was so easily deceived into believing the whole”pandemic” narrative?

Now, I’m not saying that people who believe in a Creator are not also falling for the lies. Many religious leaders are of course pushing the lies themselves. But trying to blame religion for the blindness of the sheep? No, things are not that simple. Materialism, secularism and scientism has much to answer for too. Possibly even more.

Jacques
Jacques
May 21, 2021 11:05 AM
Reply to  Vryburger

I don’t reject the existence of some creator. That would imply that I would have had to accept the existence of said creator. As far as I know my creator was my father and my mother, and that’s good enough.

What is the meaning of right and wrong? Dunno, why don’t you let people decide? Leave them the fuck alone and they’ll figure it out.

I think it would be something along the lines of “Thou shall not fuck around”. That would fit most situations just fine.

Incidentally, science and technology is with a high degree of probability the result of the imbecilic instruction to man to have “dominion over the world”.

suddyan
suddyan
May 21, 2021 4:11 PM
Reply to  Jacques

[Incidentally, science and technology is with a high degree of probability the result of the imbecilic instruction to man to have “dominion over the world”.]

Nope. Not with a high degree of probability. Much of late Western science and technology (Renaissance, Enlightenment and onwards) leveraged the science and technology from India and China and ancient Mediterranean and Mesopotamian civilisations (partly channelled also through the Muslim world).

Those original sources had no injunction to have “dominion over the world” to drive their evident pursuit of science and technology.

Clearly the pursuit of science (or knowledge) and technology (almost universally for betterment) is an innate human drive.

The religions injuction you postulate can therefore be at most a limited factor in the phenomenon.

Jacques
Jacques
May 21, 2021 7:54 PM
Reply to  suddyan

To some extent you might be right, nonetheless, it is the Judeo-Christian civilization that entertains the concept of seeking solutions through external means – technologies. Judeo-Christian Westerners have grossly neglected such concepts as introspection, mastering the self in favor of seeking external means to whatever problem comes their way. To some extent, it’s understandable – you’re cold, you devise a stove (even though there are techniques to warm yourself up). To a large extent, it is not, as witnessed the developmental stage we’re in today, where everything is dealt with through this or that technology. You’re depressed, take a pill. An app tells you when to take a piss/shit. So on, so forth.

Vryburger
Vryburger
May 21, 2021 9:18 PM
Reply to  Jacques

[I don’t reject the existence of some creator. That would imply that I would have had to accept the existence of said creator]

In other words, in order to reject the existence of hobgoblins I first need to accept the existence of hobgoblins… Well, I don’t even know what to answer to that: unfortunately I did not attend the gobbledygook school of logic.

The instruction to have dominion over the earth may have provided the impetus for the birth of science. But today science is the religion of materialists. And what are they doing to this earth and its inhabetants?

Jacques
Jacques
May 22, 2021 6:45 AM
Reply to  Vryburger

It’s very difficult to have a meaningful exchange with an entity of your kind who liberally uses such terms as creator, materialism, and so on. I have no idea how you happen to construe these concepts, but I do sense that you not only expect me to share your understanding thereof, but also harbor the weird idea that I ought to.

I don’t. I don’t care about your alleged creator. I don’t know what you consider materialism, as opposed to spiritualism, I guess.

You can’t completely get away from matter; your body and the world are made of it.

Anyway, you’re too much stuck in the realm of your ideology, of which I don’t have sufficient knowledge to discuss it and I don’t want to because I don’t give a fuck about it, and unwilling to step out of that cage for us to have any meaningful discussion.

The stuff about gobbledygook, you can, of course, shove up your ass.

Vryburger
Vryburger
May 22, 2021 10:37 AM
Reply to  Jacques

The stuff about gobbledygook, you can, of course, shove up your ass

Hahaha. Yes, it is impossible to have an adult conversation with a teenage mind.

Jacques
Jacques
May 22, 2021 4:46 PM
Reply to  Vryburger

Tovarish Vryburger, all you now need to define what it means “teenage” mind.

See, you suffer from so many preconceptions that one wouldn’t know where to begin unraveling them. What sort of mind do people who have witnessed 13-19 revolutions of this planet around the start it orbits have?

Are you trying to imply that they haven’t been around long enough to have their minds fucked up as their counterparts who have been stinking around for more revolutions, that they speak what they think, as opposed to being scared shitless to express themselves lest some asshole excommunicates them for not bleating as the rest of the sheeple?

I have to tell you tovarish that based on what I’m seeing, your assessment is wrong. For teenagers are just as fucked up as anybody else; they’re perhaps even more conformist.

Now, take that gobbledygook stuff and shove it up your ass.

Geo
Geo
May 24, 2021 2:29 PM
Reply to  Jacques

“What is the meaning of right and wrong? Dunno, why don’t you let people decide? Leave them the fuck alone and they’ll figure it out.”

Yes, they’ve been freed from God and they have decided. They have decided to let the worldly authorities to tell them if, when and how they should be allowed to visit their families and friends. Whether they should be allowed to travel outside 5 miles from their homes. Hide their faces on command and allow themselves to be injected en masse with unknown concoctions…And much more to come.
We need to come to terms that this is what the secular, godless society has chosen.

suddyan
suddyan
May 21, 2021 4:02 PM
Reply to  Vryburger

[If one rejects the existence of a Creator then the only other option is to place your belief in chance.]

Erm sorry, but no. I suggest that hundreds of years of ongoing philosophical debate about “free will” clearly identifies the fault in your assertion.

Being that you have chosen the pseudonym “Vryburger” I was keen to read what opinions you had to contribute.

Opening with a false dichotomy that simply drops “free will” off the table did not bolster your cause.

[What, after all, is the meaning of right and wrong in a meaningless universe?]

Well Vryburger, meaning is such a critical term. Ask for example the existentialists or Victor Frankl. It is not as if the “search for meaning” did not form the core of their lives. And it is easy to throw a “what meaning is there” accusation against the other.

But, if you are for instance an adherent of an Abrahamic religion, one could just as much throw similar accusations back at you. For example: what meaning could there be in a world where some “god” in effect only created the Philistines so that he could have them “smited?” Not really the kind of meaning that works for me, I dare say.

And if that “god” could so easily do that, I seen no reason why that “god” would not contemplate (or even enact) “what could possibly be wrong with getting rid of 3 or 4 billion of those accidents?”

Maybe that is your “god’s” plan? After all, he has done similar before. Nice god, hey!

Vryburger
Vryburger
May 21, 2021 9:09 PM
Reply to  suddyan

And who said I dropped free will off the table? We were created with the freedom to choose our personal religious ground motives. And to be human is to be religious, one way or another. Every philosophy, every worldview starts from some ultamate and unprovable assumptions. Where you start from is where your faith lies. There are many variations to choose from, but ultimately it comes down to a choice between creation or accident (chance).

My argument is that when one chooses to start from the assumption that everything is chance, everything is accident, then playing god is the next logical step. Where did the modern eugenics movement had its origin, for instance? Was Francis Galton not family of Charles Darwin?

You are very clever in dodging the question. But my question remains: What is the meaning of the concepts of “good” and “evil” if one chooses to believe the universe is the result of chance?

suddyan
suddyan
May 21, 2021 3:14 PM
Reply to  Jacques

[Time to instill in your kids that these values and concepts are conditional on not being detrimental to oneself. Some of them, you might wanna jettison for good, such as respect for authority and, more importantly, trust in God. ]

Actually, Nietzsche kind of predicted what was going to happen when “God is dead.”

And the “instilling” of some of those “values and concepts” that you are advancing as the solution has also brought us Covid “derangement syndrome,” wokesterism, and “critical race theory,” to name just a few. You see, reality is that untold others hold different “values and concepts” than you do – and particularly also the non-believers in orthodox religion.

Being agnostic myself, I am fully aware of the destructive effects blind belief in a “god” can have. There is no need to remind me of the horrific violence associated with Muslim expansion by sword, the Crusades, or Aztec “ceremonies.” On the other hand, I am also aware of the loss of meaning that the absence of belief in a “god” can engender.

And figuratively believing in “Gaia” or some such secular stand-in leads to many of the same destructive effects believing in a white-bearded fellow in the sky bring.

So frankly, any “religion is unquestionably bad” dogma is simply not a clear-cut case. As an agnostic who does not try to BS himself on the reality of the world, I am even considering that maybe the problem is not religion in and if itself.

Maybe the problem could be in the people in and of themselves. And who are therefore endlessly yearning for some “religion” as a solution.

Jacques
Jacques
May 21, 2021 3:30 PM
Reply to  suddyan

If you read what I wrote, it’s “Time to instill in your kids (the fact) that these values and concepts are conditional on not being detrimental to oneself.”

In other words, whatever people subscribe to, they must make sure that it’s not used against them, harmful in some way, etcetera.

So that part of your rant is a bit off. As to the rest, I’m too much of a simpleton to dissect things to such an extent.

Victor G.
Victor G.
May 21, 2021 9:55 PM
Reply to  Jacques

Jacques = suddyan = Vryburger?
Just an idea …please … don’t stone me …

Bruce Tonka
Bruce Tonka
May 21, 2021 6:14 AM

Meanwhile downunder. Has anyone noticed something interesting about the budget? They have blown billions on Jobkeeper and Cashflow boost and God knows what else. They committing Billions to all sorts of worthy causes like aged care etc. but there are no tax increases in the budget…. like they budgeting for a different future.

Marilyn Shepherd
Marilyn Shepherd
May 21, 2021 8:41 AM
Reply to  Bruce Tonka

$311 billion pissed up a tree over the Neil Ferguson model and Paul Kelly CHO and his hysterical claim that up to 150,000 could die.

Rhys Jaggar
Rhys Jaggar
May 21, 2021 8:57 AM
Reply to  Bruce Tonka

What they are budgeting for is the planned hyperinflation of ‘fiat currencies’ to bankrupt the 99% who are invested in the old system.

Jacques
Jacques
May 21, 2021 9:05 AM
Reply to  Rhys Jaggar

Right. That’s probably the most important thing to worry about.

jamie
jamie
May 21, 2021 9:21 AM
Reply to  Bruce Tonka

r/WallStreetSilver offers a way to help protect your money, not currency….money.

EDITH
EDITH
May 21, 2021 9:43 AM
Reply to  jamie

for those keeping an eye on such things Jerome Powell ala US BAnking system chief made an announcement last 24 hrs – they will issue a discussion paper in Aug outlining how the monetary system will proceed…..big emphasis on a digital currency ala Chinese version……. and the need to control many aspects of our lives to make it work…..
interesting that the elite basically screwed up the current paper model and the rest of us get to be put in rigid boxes to solve that problem…..they will sail merrily onwards……

suddyan
suddyan
May 21, 2021 4:28 PM
Reply to  jamie

[r/WallStreetSilver offers a way to help protect your money, not currency….money.]

Well, currency is “any generally accepted form of money that is in actual public circulation.”

So if you are protecting your currency, you are by definition protecting your money.

And if you are protecting your money, then you are by definition protecting your part of currency (that is, your part of the money that is in circulation).

Given that, the “your money, not currency….money” distinction makes no sense.

Big al
Big al
May 21, 2021 5:59 AM

Those someone’s are going to have to be the parents and grandparents of those kids. I’m a parent and grandparent. I’ve got 6 grandkids, 16, 10, 8, 8, 5, and 4. I’ve discussed with my kids about their kids and have told them in no uncertain terms to not allow them to take this so called vaccine. I’ve also told them to refuse the supposed Covid test. We’re on board. I don’t expect anyone else to help us, we’re fighting for our own rights. But there are many on board. Fuck these people who are trying to control our lives. We are not going to allow that. I remember growing up about a saying, “there a time and a place”. We are at that time and place. I’ve never been more adamant in my 65 years on earth.

jamie
jamie
May 21, 2021 9:21 AM
Reply to  Big al

I’m with Al…

TRM
TRM
May 21, 2021 5:34 AM

Informed Consent. How can I give informed consent when they are withholding information? The phase 2 human experimental trials completed in October 2020 yet the raw data has not been made publicly available yet. The pharma companies say “2022”. 

I refuse to give “Uninformed Consent” like all those who’ve taken the experimental gene therapy shot. 

If you feel you can coerce or force me to give up my right to informed consent you are wrong.

Tim Drayton
Tim Drayton
May 21, 2021 8:39 AM
Reply to  TRM

Exactly. How can there be informed consent in an environment in which the same media outlets that censor people like Mike Yeadon bring on Bill Gates as a “health expert”?

Rhys Jaggar
Rhys Jaggar
May 21, 2021 8:59 AM
Reply to  Tim Drayton

Bill Gates is an expert in ‘adversely affecting poor Indian girls’ health’.

I wouldn’t trust Bill Gates with my health until he trusted his daughter’s sex life with the most satanically deranged of Middle Eastern Princes…

THX-1160
THX-1160
May 21, 2021 12:15 PM
Reply to  Rhys Jaggar

how do you know he hasn’t already?

suddyan
suddyan
May 21, 2021 4:30 PM
Reply to  THX-1160

[how do you know he hasn’t already?]

He he. OK, now that made me grin. Thanks!

les online
les online
May 21, 2021 5:03 AM

It might possibly be that mass die-offs over time is the intention… But that might be an unintended consequence of using as many of you as “guinea pigs” in research for the genetic secrets of longevity, even immortality…what, with all those dead bodies to dissect to look for clues, and all the remaining live ones to use as “guinea pigs” for each new “vaccine” – until nature gives up her secret…Investing in gene-tech companies is worth looking into, dont you think ?

Bruce Tonka
Bruce Tonka
May 21, 2021 6:32 AM
Reply to  les online

imho die-off is very much the intended consequence. Nothing else makes sense.

les online
les online
May 21, 2021 6:40 AM
Reply to  Bruce Tonka

think about that earlier comment ‘why inject coppers and doctors ?’… the economy would collapse – so all billy gates billions would be worthless…
no ! i’m for the search for the immortality gene… billy gates gets to keep his billions, and rake in many more – from all the other ‘experimental gene-manipulating injections in the pipeline . (what’s the point of them if there’s a mass die-off ?)

Bruce Tonka
Bruce Tonka
May 21, 2021 7:05 AM
Reply to  les online

Yes I did think about that. I spoke to him again. That was very controlled. Emailed asked to be present at a certain address etc. So then you have to ask the obvious question. Is everyone getting the same vaccine? Without revealing too much, by way of my profession I have a very good insight into the world of finite commodities and I came to the conclusion a few years ago that mass depopulation was a certainty. Curiously I also concluded a virus would be the only way to do it. (not this covid nonsense). Still, I could be wrong. Could just be a bunch of seriously mentally impaired politicians.

Brett
Brett
May 21, 2021 8:58 AM
Reply to  Bruce Tonka

Bingo! Different lots of vaccines. I “came down with” Gillian Barre in 2006, 10 days after I was somewhat herded into a flu vaccine. Before release, after 3 weeks in hospital, Dr told me “Oh, by the way, don’t get any more flu shots, it might ‘retrigger’ the Gillian Barre”. 2014, I began to read heavily, on many subjects, and realized what had “triggered” it in the first place. Doctors, legalized eugenicists. But they think they’re gods, impossible to get through to just about all of them.

EDITH
EDITH
May 21, 2021 9:54 AM
Reply to  Bruce Tonka

the murdock press Aust had a little item tucked away today that Billy boy made his first public appearance since the divorce announcement in an ‘armchair chat with US chamber of Commerce chief ex Suzanne clark …..where he discussed the covid 19 pandemic….

he is still carrying on about preparation for preventing the next health threat from escalating to a pandemic…. that we have learnt a lot that will help us for the next one and by making some investments in research and development and having factories available, having surveillance and a big team of experts on a global basis… we will next time handle somethings like this without anywhere near the damage he said……

What F……g damage?……the covid didn’t damage much at all – it was the idiot lock step shit closing down the economies that did the damage…..but never mind we will get on with continuing to waste huge sums of money doing surveillance…..all the other shit connected to this rubbish.

Brianborou.
Brianborou.
May 21, 2021 8:23 AM
Reply to  les online

If you read the statements from many of the rats pack of satanists running this scam, you will find a consistent message which they and their previous numbers having been stating for over a century eugenics !!!!!

Rhys Jaggar
Rhys Jaggar
May 21, 2021 9:01 AM
Reply to  les online

If there’s a mass die off, demand for property drops, so Billy can use his enormous cash pile to buy up all the land. He who owns the land controls the people and all that…

It’s all about power for Bad King Billy.

As long as he stays about as rich as he is now, that’s good enough for him.

But he wants much, much more power and far, far less accountability.

Jeffrey Strahl
Jeffrey Strahl
May 21, 2021 7:52 AM
Reply to  Bruce Tonka

A. Mass die offs create lots of bodies to be disposed off, very expensive, and are highly demoralizing. Sterilizing people reduces populations with a lot less commotion and destabilization.
B. The key goal of the whole thing is the creation of a digital security state which involves lots of social impact investing, with the long term plan being a transition to transhumanism. Killing off potential investment opportunities is not a good business strategy, plus it’s much more profitable to get people dependent on regular booster shots to stay healthy than to kill them.

Brett
Brett
May 21, 2021 8:35 AM
Reply to  Jeffrey Strahl

Yes, “World Capitalism”, capita- by the head. As started in the US ~1938, where everything started to be “registered”, including the “child”, legalese for baby.
Goes way deeper than this, however.

suddyan
suddyan
May 21, 2021 4:34 PM
Reply to  Brett

[Yes, “World Capitalism”, capita- by the head.]

Rather “World Socialism,” you are now the child of the state.

Brett
Brett
May 21, 2021 6:46 PM
Reply to  suddyan

Ok, call it any “ism” you prefer. Either way, it’s done through “law”, the language that looks like ours, but means something entirely different. Started in the U.S. in 1868 with the 14th Amendment (Correction- it started when the language of “law” was invented). Then in 1938, registration was codified. All about the “PERSON”, the fictitious Strawman, based on the Birth Certificate.
It’s all fiction anyway. Maxim- “There is no fiction without law.”
God (self existent Universe) created Man, Congress created Person’s.
Give to Caesar what is Caesar’s!
When we use another’s “property”, we are under the rules of the owner of said property. Like when we rent a car.
We use their property to sail the seas of “commerce”. It’s all corporate, a Man cannot mix in commerce, only a corporate “person”.
We use their money, buy their ficiticious “Titles” of “Real Estate”, etc, etc, etc. No one owns land, we come from it, it is what makes up our bodies.
Genesis 11:7, “Go to, let us go down, and there confound their language,…”
That language was the “legal” language, looks the same, different definitions.
Of course, we sit & type about man’s designs, yet it matters not to Nature, as after man is gone, just as so many species before, it will continue it’s Creation (a verb), and will be happy enough with what it has created, for a time, and then will create some more.
And I thank you for your response as, while typing the reply, I have gained some wisdom.

jamie
jamie
May 21, 2021 9:23 AM
Reply to  Jeffrey Strahl

Why give it to folk who cannot reproduce?
Certainly if the multiple animal studies are prophetic we’re in for mayhem.

EDITH
EDITH
May 21, 2021 9:57 AM
Reply to  Jeffrey Strahl

sorry there are not a high % of genuinely healthy people in this world…..vax or not……the unhealthy ones are starting to cost the health system heaps……we will not be able to afford to look after them plus piss all this money up the wall playing with pandemics…..med term something has to give.

suddyan
suddyan
May 21, 2021 4:38 PM
Reply to  Jeffrey Strahl

[The key goal of the whole thing is the creation of a digital security state which involves lots of social impact investing, with the long term plan being a transition to transhumanism.]

Yes. Power, control, and the dream to live for ever.

And power has to be exerted over others. There is always a need for others that can be lorded over. To kill all the others would take that “thrill” of power and control away. The more you lord over, the more your power.

Edwige
Edwige
May 21, 2021 8:59 AM
Reply to  Bruce Tonka

A mass “die-off” isn’t impossible but other scenarios do make some sense:

1) Make a lorryload of cash.
2) More indirect population reduction through social atomisation.
3) Restore the primacy of the science paradigm.
4) Increased surveillance
5) Cover for other things like the bank bail-out and other agendas.
6) Prep for the global state.
7) Something else that makes sense in TPTB’s crazy belief system but that we can’t work out because that system is secret and crazy beyond our grasp (like ‘the mark of the beast’ thing).

There is a fundamental contradiction in the “truther” die-off scenario – arguing there’s no new virus because not that many people have died and then arguing it’s a mass de-population event. global de-population requires death on a huge scale (50m in WW2 didn’t stop global population growth).Another contradiction is that there can’t be an auto-immune apocalypse in the autumn and viruses be a fiction (unless the former is triggered by something else).

All the above have the advantage that they are provably happening.

Doctortrinate
Doctortrinate
May 21, 2021 5:00 AM

for a weak Idea to be accepted, behaviour needs to be conditioned to believe it greater than it is – reward gives it value,..so strengthens the lie , but only because it was embraced, no more.

Shelby
Shelby
May 21, 2021 4:21 AM

There are those who cannot see how weird, creepy and immoral the vaccine incentives are, they are truly lost. In Thailand we now have a lottery prize draw for the vaccinated to be given a free cow each week for the rest of the year in the countryside. No one size fits all for these twisted incentives. CJ Hopkins nailed it when he described a cult as usually a small, easily identifiable island of people within a larger sea of majority of people who are thinking rationally; and that has been inversed. I feel there is a catalytic event coming, something to snap people out of this, something undeniable, non-spin-able, commonly unifying, although I dread to think what such trigger point would be. The retaliation against all the sick, complicit politicians, media parrots, soul-less order-followers, will be swift and it will be righteous and it will be merciless.

Two stories to check out and share:
https://twitter.com/FreedomIsrael_/status/1395260959015456772?s=19

https://www.naturalnews.com/2021-05-18-connecticut-govt-secretly-tells-health-care-workers-covid-vaccines-are-deadly.html#

niko
niko
May 21, 2021 1:29 AM

Watch: Uniformed Troops Go to Bars & 7-Eleven in Dallas to Randomly Vaccinate “Younger Crowd”

S Cooper
S Cooper
May 21, 2021 4:12 AM
Reply to  niko

“Time to ask oneself, if one has not already, is this preparation for militarized heavily armed corporate fascist terrorist gestapo criminal thugs going home to home, kicking down doors and threatening the general populace with a Billy Eugenics cull juice jab or a shot to the head? They are going full Third Reich. Fight like ones life depended on it, because it does. Submission only emboldens them.”

S Cooper
S Cooper
May 21, 2021 6:05 AM
Reply to  S Cooper

“Look how the Gestapo goons massacred poor Fred Hampton. Drugged by one of their agents, shot twice in the head as he slept. .”

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“As they came for him, they come for us.”

suddyan
suddyan
May 21, 2021 4:41 PM
Reply to  S Cooper

[…militarized heavily armed corporate fascist terrorist gestapo criminal thugs…]

You could make a fair living writing comedy sketches. But you need to work on your hyperbole.

Arby
Arby
May 21, 2021 1:19 AM

Susie buys some of the big lies. But other than that, the report is fine.

I went postering four days ago on my way to work. A number of the posters were on the route I take on my ebike to get to work and back. I am gratified to see a lot of them still up. I also did some postering before that in my own nabe. And lo and behold, someone else in my nabe is at it. I seen a poster on the post where I got off the bus today (my ebike had a flat). It was the same Trudeau poster I was putting up. (My Trudeau poster included some commentary. This was just the Trudeau meme, which meant that it was larger.) I’m going to stop tanks but that sort of lifted me.

Arby
Arby
May 21, 2021 12:47 PM
Reply to  Arby

Lol. I’m going to stop tanks. Right. I meant I’m ‘not’ going to stop tanks. It’s interesting to see, by the upvotes, that some believe that I will be stopping tanks or their equivalents. No. Sorry to disappoint. If only.

les online
les online
May 21, 2021 1:07 AM

First they came for the old folk, now they’re coming for the kids…

True Story… i had childhood asthma, which became quite severe as i neared the teens…
Mum was quite concerned so that when a doctor at the local hospital suggested a radical new scientific procedure to cure me, she jumped at it…
The operation: they slit the side of my throat – to insert a tube to draw out the ‘watery substance’ believed to be the cause of the asthma… incredibly scientific, ‘cept the op didnt work…
the same Medical Science rationalised ripping out my tonsils (because they became inflamed during a bout of asthma)… that op didnt work either…

of course, i had no say in the matter, no more than todays youngsters have any say
about wearing masks in school, or having toxins injected into THEIR bodies…

read somewhere recently that there’s gonna be a kids school strike for the planet in Sydney today – an ideal event for letting them know of the coming World Rally For Freedom events… Whether its being jabbed, or saving the planet, it’s THEIR futures.

Geo
Geo
May 24, 2021 5:07 PM
Reply to  les online

The youth are herded into protesting about the climate. But will not be allowed to protest against having to be given a vaccine, nor would they come up with any protest themselves anyway. Covid is part and parcel of the climate change/sustainable development/transhumanist/population control agenda. It’s all one big plan.

Jeffrey Strahl
Jeffrey Strahl
May 21, 2021 12:48 AM

It’s not like any of us deserves to be hassled, harassed, coerced,…. but yeah to the article’s sentiment.
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/05/begins-fully-vaccinated-people-oregon-must-show-proof-vaccination-status-order-enter-businesses-without-mask/?utm_source=Gab&utm_campaign=websitesharingbuttons

The Gateway Pundit
IT BEGINS: Fully Vaccinated People in Oregon Must Show Proof of Vaccination Status in Order to Enter Businesses Without a Mask By Cristina Laila Published May 20, 2021 at 3:56pm
Immunity due to being infected or to pre-existing immunity apparently doesn’t count. They don’t care about safety, but about getting everyone jabbed and registered in their data base.

MaryLS
MaryLS
May 21, 2021 4:08 AM
Reply to  Jeffrey Strahl

Who do they think they are protecting with this one?

Jeffrey Strahl
Jeffrey Strahl
May 21, 2021 5:56 AM
Reply to  MaryLS

Their narrative, of course. 🙂 Of course it’s not about protecting anyone.

wokey wakey
wokey wakey
May 21, 2021 12:24 AM

so much incredible minds on here, so many sources, but can we move on…?will there ever be an article on the (oh no can we say it) f f ff ff ff f f f f f ff f f f f f fffffffffiiiiiiiivvvvveeeee GGGGGGGeeeeeeeee ffs?????????

Bruce Tonka
Bruce Tonka
May 21, 2021 12:32 AM
Reply to  wokey wakey

Yes, don’t get me started on that nonsense. One nightmare at a time please. Thankfully they are easy to spot and low on the ground…. That said. Time to move into the country.

THX-1160
THX-1160
May 21, 2021 9:11 AM
Reply to  wokey wakey

you’re foaming at the mouth, you must be infected with the megadeath virus of doom.

Magnus
Magnus
May 21, 2021 12:26 PM
Reply to  wokey wakey

5G is not really needed, you could argue.

DEMYTHIFICATION of 5G by Miguel Coma
https://betweenrockandhardplace.wordpress.com/2021/05/19/demythification-of-5g-by-miguel-coma/

Much of internet traffic is po*n (anything between 5-30 %), cat clips on youtube and (bad) netflix movies. Do we really need to be able to download 5K movies while moving around our villages and cities ?

suddyan
suddyan
May 21, 2021 5:14 PM
Reply to  Magnus

[Much of internet traffic is po*n (anything between 5-30 %), cat clips…]

I trust you have no intention to interfere in other people’s personal choices, since I assume you realise it would be none of your business.

That’s good of you!

Peter
Peter
May 21, 2021 12:22 AM

More proof the object of the Plandemic and the Prion Prick is depopulation.

Arby
Arby
May 21, 2021 1:24 AM
Reply to  Peter

Tom Cowan answers a question about prions in this video. Prions are, like what they call viruses, simply breakdown particles. A diseased person or animal’s tissues break down when the person or animal is ill. It’s the same old firemen at the scene of a fire thing. The firemen didn’t cause the fire. The maggots didn’t kill the dead dog.

Bruce Tonka
Bruce Tonka
May 21, 2021 12:17 AM

Meanwhile back downunder… The Government mouthpiece aka the ABC is definitely ramping up the “get vaccinated” nonsense. In the same news broadcast about 4 minutes apart “70% of Australians are eager to get vaccinated” 4 to 5 minutes later “the Government needs to do more as not enough people are get vaccinated” Then on the same ABC news web page. Man aged 53 develops serious bloodclots after getting Astrazeneca? Huh? it reads like, we want you to get vaccinated unless you have a functioning brain. Australia has one of the lowest vaccination rates in the world for a “developed” country. I suspect they haven’t hit their doomsday quota yet so expect this to follow the same script as India. They will release SARS or MERS in populated areas and then hope to scare people into getting vaccinated. Of course SARS and MERS will test positive for Covid because they are Coronaviruses. This stuff is so incredibly stupid you can’t make it up. Anyway, regarding vaccines. DON’T DO IT!!

les online
les online
May 21, 2021 2:11 AM
Reply to  Bruce Tonka

you’re likely to see quite a lot of pro-vax “opinion polls” in the corporate propaganda media over the next few months… such “polls” are a major nudge psychology technique used to (subliminally) induce people to conform…

Bruce Tonka
Bruce Tonka
May 21, 2021 2:24 AM
Reply to  les online

I just spoke to a Policeman friend of mine who is married to a Doctor. They have both been vaccinated. He said he was off sick for 4 days. I don’t get it. I first thought depopulation agenda but then why would you vaccinate Policeman and Doctors? So I’m back to square one. No clue what is going on. The only thing I know is this vaccine is trouble and I ain’t going near it with a 10 foot barge pole.

THX-1160
THX-1160
May 21, 2021 8:31 AM
Reply to  Bruce Tonka

maybe the billionaires are quite content to be rid of the stupid policemen and doctors, those who were too dumb to figure out what was going on, even with whatever inside information they are privy to. (probably a lot)

conversely, maybe neither of them was actually vaxxed, and they’re just part of the propaganda operation aimed at the proles.

suddyan
suddyan
May 21, 2021 5:19 PM
Reply to  THX-1160

[maybe the billionaires…]

[maybe neither of them…]

And “maybe” the above is an example of how humans keep their beliefs alive.

Rhys Jaggar
Rhys Jaggar
May 21, 2021 9:07 AM
Reply to  Bruce Tonka

Vaccinating doctors is imperative because they are supposed to know about medicine, aren’t they? (Questionable hypothesis number 1). In the main, the population trust doctors pretty much uncritically (I certainly don’t).

So if those who are deemed to know are ‘hesitant’, that makes vaccinating the credulous sheep that much more difficult.

Police are the symbol of obeying the law. If the police don’t get vaccinated, it says that getting vaccinated isn’t legally required. The fact that it ISN’T legally required is probably beyond most sheep.

Philippe
Philippe
May 21, 2021 12:37 PM
Reply to  Bruce Tonka

I suppose one explanation could be that once you’ve killed off 7 billion people, you’re probably not going to need as many policemen or doctors.

suddyan
suddyan
May 21, 2021 5:16 PM
Reply to  Bruce Tonka

[They will release SARS or MERS in populated areas and then hope to scare people into getting vaccinated.]

That sounds very bad. Please share your logically sound evidence!

wokey wakey
wokey wakey
May 21, 2021 12:13 AM

sorry, pissed up as usual, looking forward to kippin in my blocsilver four poster whilst meditating as to my heart i still fear with my best senses that we are fucked…. need to get closer to nature, closer and closer to nature, nothing else matters now

THX-1160
THX-1160
May 21, 2021 12:16 AM
Reply to  wokey wakey

why not drink yourself to death?

suddyan
suddyan
May 21, 2021 5:23 PM
Reply to  wokey wakey

[…need to get closer to nature, closer and closer to nature…]

Go hug a rhinoceros? That is close. Nature is such a sweet, beautiful thing, maybe you can pray to nature in rapture as you an the rhinoceros become “close to each other.”

wardropper
wardropper
May 21, 2021 12:13 AM

Can anyone see the day coming when these children grow up and want to know why their parents allowed them to be used as guinea pigs in this fashion?
When they take out a class action against their own parents along with the corporate interests that emotionally blackmailed them into this crime against humanity ?

I can – assuming today’s children even grow up at all, of course…

TRM
TRM
May 21, 2021 1:27 AM
Reply to  wardropper

Kid: Mommy, daddy. Why did you let large pharma companies who’ve murdered 50,000+ a year for over a decade and a half inject an experimental gene therapy vaccine into me when my IFR was 4 places to the right of the decimal?

Parents: Because we are spineless, gutless, brainless, unthinking losers who wanted you to be the same as us.

S Cooper
S Cooper
May 21, 2021 12:00 PM
Reply to  THX-1160

“Less an issue of freedom than of survival, They aim to murder as many of us as possible.”

suddyan
suddyan
May 21, 2021 5:31 PM
Reply to  TRM

[Parents: Because we are spineless, gutless, brainless, unthinking losers who wanted you to be the same as us.]

Sorry, but that is really in bad taste. While you and I may agree that the parents are wrong, they are overwhelmingly doing it because the love their children and sincerely believe it is best for them.

No need to paint them as something bad that they are not. If you can not see the humanity in their (likely misguided) attempt to care for their loved ones, then you should worry whether you may be losing yours.

Victor G.
Victor G.
May 21, 2021 10:05 PM
Reply to  suddyan

Bad taste sucks …

Paul Vonharnish
Paul Vonharnish
May 21, 2021 1:52 AM
Reply to  wardropper

Hello wardropper: The chances of these children living into adulthood are extremely slim…
There won’t be any corporate interests to sue, and there won’t be any courts to hear cases… I think you know the collective bus went over the cliff years ago…

Rhys Jaggar
Rhys Jaggar
May 21, 2021 9:09 AM
Reply to  wardropper

Things of a smaller nature happen every generation: parents have to take decisions based on incomplete information and inevitably, some decisions will work out wrong.

‘They f**k you up, your mum and dad, they may not mean to, but they do’, said Philip Larkin.

He was right then and he is right now.

You will never have perfect parents, you just have to hope that they were less imperfect than many….

suddyan
suddyan
May 21, 2021 5:37 PM
Reply to  Rhys Jaggar

[‘They f**k you up, your mum and dad, they may not mean to, but they do’, said Philip Larkin.]

Thank you for understanding the human condition – with all our (often misguided) good intentions as well as our behavioural frailties.

My parents, like most all others, made mistakes. But they certainly didn’t “f**k” me up, and never had bad intentions.

Working Class Hero
Working Class Hero
May 20, 2021 11:20 PM

Since the media has a total black out of the Yellow Card Data I think we should get more creative in making people aware of the facts, even though I’m sure the Yellow Card Data is grossly underestimated.

Perhaps next time you want to do a fund raiser do it for the “Victims Of Vax Appeal”. It’s a very worthy cause and since Government and Pharma are taking zero liability perhaps we can assist the victims.

Further, it’s not something they can stamp out since it’s a genuine cause and media would have to tread very carefully if they did not support it.

So, ride your bike, run, hop skip or whatever. But don’t donate to big institutes like Cancer etc who skim the money. Do it for the “Vitim’s Of Vax Appeal”.

Arby
Arby
May 21, 2021 1:27 AM

“we should get more creative in making people aware of the facts”

1 – find stats 2 – print stats out (or use them to create your own fact sheet) 3 – print copies 4 – grab a staple gun and pick your time to go postering

magumba
magumba
May 23, 2021 9:01 PM
Reply to  Arby

Or buy a cheap Brother label printer and download the sticker archive from the White Rose on telegram

Go for a long late night walk on the day before bin day in your area and marvel at the shiny flat surfaces available

https://t.me/jointhewhiterose

https://thewhiterose.uk/downloads/

Philippe
Philippe
May 21, 2021 12:44 PM

“Perhaps next time you want to do a fund raiser do it for the “Victims Of Vax Appeal”.”

I suppose the principle is sound, but …

Isn’t that a bit like telling someone not to stick their hand in a fire, but when they do, offering to pay for their plastic surgery?

Sorry if I come across as a bit heartless, but at what point to ‘the vaxxed’ assume personal responsibility for what they’ve done to themselves, without looking to the sane to bail them out when it all goes tits up?

Lizzyh7
Lizzyh7
May 22, 2021 10:02 PM
Reply to  Philippe

The same sane they ridiculed endlessly for not believing in the idiocy. I don’t wish to come off heartless either, but if these same people would be the ones to say, inform on me and have me dragged off to a camp for their “safety,” I think the time for nicety may be over.

magumba
magumba
May 23, 2021 8:57 PM

Simply give them a link to the UKColumns searchable database of the MHRA’s own data

https://yellowcard.ukcolumn.org/yellow-card-reports

Penny
Penny
May 20, 2021 10:47 PM

And this read from Miles Mathis- who is apparently on the same wave length ( no, I’m not that familiar with this person, I just know it was a good piece)
left by wafflestaffel

WaffleStaffelMay 20, 2021 at 4:24 PM

“Another member of SPI-B said they were “stunned by the weaponisation of behavioural psychology” during the pandemic” – well that’s awfully modest of them. The weaponisation of behavioural psychology by the “authorities” describes the entire 20th and 21st century.

Miles Mathis just wrote on the same subject “It would be like opening all the doors in a jail and telling the inmates they are free,but finding they still prefer to huddle in their cells for safety.” He makes a good case for optimism. One needs a good pep talk now and then.

Arby
Arby
May 21, 2021 1:28 AM
Reply to  Penny

? SPI-B’s job is to do what they are there complaining about.

magumba
magumba
May 23, 2021 9:04 PM
Reply to  Arby

Spi-b in damahge limitation mode now the evidence against their heinous crimes is becoming more and more apparent

Maybe many members of it are having second thoughts all of a sudden ?

All i can say to that is people have your names (they have been publicly available all year) and some people have very very long memories

Penny
Penny
May 20, 2021 10:45 PM

Want to share my latest and also a piece left by someone else
Apparently there are some of us understanding the stockholm syndrome aspect of this crime. And why there is acceptance.
Use Of Fear to Control Behaviour During Covid “Crisis” was Totalitarian, (Authoritarian and Tyrannical) Admit ScientistsThe use of fear as heavy handed as it was and continues to be was totalitarian coercive abuse and yet it was and still is lapped up by it’s targets. Which is why most of society is suffering, quite obviously, from Stockholm Syndrome!

“The term Stockholm syndrome is the name for a psychological response to captivity and abuse. (lockdown/deprivation of employment/freedom and access to loved ones) A person with Stockholm syndrome develops positive associations with their captors or abusers. Experts do not fully understand this response formation but think it may serve as a coping mechanism for people who experience trauma.”

Penny
Penny
May 20, 2021 10:48 PM
Reply to  Penny

the other linked piece went into spam check, so I hope it’s out soon! 🙂
sorry 🙂

Rhys Jaggar
Rhys Jaggar
May 21, 2021 9:12 AM
Reply to  Penny

Stockholm Syndrome is a manifestation in those who genuinely believe that they cannot escape so need to accept living in an imperfect world.

Life is less stressful if you can get on with folks around you, so if you think that you’re stuck here for the duration, many will want a quiet life free of stress.

les online
les online
May 20, 2021 10:34 PM

you have to start thinking about your using the terms “the jab” & “the jabbed”…

they have become incorporated into mainstream pro-vax propaganda…

one alternative – ‘poisoned jab’ ? there must be better, more revealing ones…

when the mainstream propagandists co-opt your words they rob your ‘message’
of its intentions and effects…

les online
les online
May 20, 2021 10:47 PM
Reply to  les online

in the appendix to 1984 orwell outlines how totalitarians strive to simplify words, reduce them to singular, basic meaning/s… simplification is basic to propaganda, and totalitarianism… (detornement: to subvert meaning, the turn a message back against itself… the situationist international might have said.)

Vitor Neilsen
Vitor Neilsen
May 20, 2021 11:38 PM
Reply to  les online

Spiked

THX-1160
THX-1160
May 21, 2021 12:12 AM
Reply to  les online
THX-1160
THX-1160
May 21, 2021 12:09 AM
Reply to  les online

“death shot”

or better yet

“nazi death shot”

TRM
TRM
May 21, 2021 1:31 AM
Reply to  les online

Funny how they go away from ‘The SHOT” to “the jab”. Sounds so much safer doesn’t it?

les online
les online
May 21, 2021 1:33 AM
Reply to  TRM

i notice Childrens Health Defence are calling it a “bioweapons injection”

Arby
Arby
May 21, 2021 12:38 PM
Reply to  les online

I’m suspicious of that narrative. What some may mean by bioweapon may not be what others mean by bioweapon. Of course it’s a bioweapon. But are we meant to go down a rabbit hole that keeps us from seeing the simple facts about this hoax? There is no virus. According to Tom Cowan, they could be working with other things, like proteins. One thing’s for sure, there’s little proper science being done during this hoax/terrorist operation and lots of manipulation and psychological warfare.

Ooink
Ooink
May 21, 2021 1:35 AM
Reply to  les online

Call them injections. The term “jab” can go and get fucked.

S Cooper
S Cooper
May 21, 2021 12:04 PM
Reply to  Ooink

“liquid death in a syringe.”

Arby
Arby
May 21, 2021 1:36 AM
Reply to  les online

Well, a lot of people have been jabbed now. I am going to start asking more people if they have been jabbed because it may actually be a way to start a conversation that brings them around. I remember once reading about people reading about car ads. It was determined that most people who have bought vehicles read ads, ‘afterward’, about the vehicles they had bought. My cabbie today was quiet until I asked him how he was enjoying the