The Myth of “Anti-Semitic Violence”
Michael Lesher
The claim that the world is awash in an outbreak of Jew-hatred is a myth – a fiction cynically recycled every few years as a cover for Israeli brutality.
That’s easily said. Still, with so many falsehoods parading as news these days, why single out the lie that Jews are “under attack” in what mainstream media monotonously call a “wave of anti-Semitic violence”? Why not just ignore it and move on?
First, because this particular lie is peddled by so powerful an array of propagandists, and swallowed by so many well-meaning people, that a prompt corrective is needed to set the record straight.
Second, and even more importantly, because the lie is part of an organized campaign to turn reality upside down – to convert supporters of Israeli violence into victims, to blame the real victims for their own suffering, and to subordinate the whole issue of Palestinian human rights to the self-serving dictates of an Israeli-driven propaganda machine as to what does and doesn’t offend delicate Jewish “sensibilities.”
If we allow that kind of lie to stand unchallenged, we’re (quite literally) helping Israel get away with murder.
Not that you’d know any of this from mainstream media. At the moment, it’s almost impossible to find a “respectable” outlet that isn’t brimming with warnings about a worldwide threat to the Jews – and the fact that the same claim has been peddled before, and debunked before, doesn’t seem to bother the purveyors in the slightest.
Yet there really ought to be a few raised eyebrows over the gulf dividing the alarmist tone of the “reports” – “violence and harassment targeting American Jews…coast-to-coast” (BBC); “anti-Semitic attacks and slurs in several American cities” (PBS); “a wave of antisemitic attacks…violence and abhorrent rhetoric” (National Public Radio); “Jews have been threatened and attacked” (New York Times) – from the remarkably murky details purportedly proving them.
The May 26 issue of Ami Magazine, a popular Orthodox Jewish weekly, claims to have information about “several scuffles…including in Toronto, Montreal and New York” and insists that “Jews were beaten at several of these events.”
Ah, but which ones? Ami avoids giving specifics – and a closer look suggests that the facts aren’t on offer because they don’t exist.
Consider Toronto. What was originally described as an “anti-Semitic attack” in that city turned out to have been a fracas instigated by the notorious Jewish Defense League – listed by the FBI as a terrorist organization – in which the Jew identified as the “victim” first swung a large club, then brandished a knife, before being “attacked.” (That didn’t stop Ontario Premier Doug Ford from condemning “anti-Semitism” after the event – a statement he refused to withdraw even when presented with video evidence of the behavior of the “victim.”)
And Montreal? The circumstances of that “attack” are scarcely less turbid. The claims of “violence” against Jews were reported entirely by pro-Israel organizations and their supporters; given the heavy police presence in the area at the time, the absence of corroborating testimony renders the story rather hard to credit.
Meanwhile, a similar report of an “anti-Semitic attack” in Los Angeles (also cited in Ami) was promptly debunked by Richard Silverstein, whose Tikun Olam blog has an excellent track record for accuracy. Here is Silverstein’s report as of May 25:
You may have read about the purported “wave” of anti-Semitic incidents sweeping the world in response to Israel’s attack on Gaza. Don’t you believe it. One of the main incidents supposedly involved a group of Jews eating outdoors at an LA sushi restaurant. The media narrative says that a car full of Palestinians waving the Palestinian fla[g] shouted “fuck you” at the diners and then threw a bottle at them.
My LA Jewish friends who’ve seen video of the incident and spoken to Palestinians involved (who were never interviewed by the media) say that a group of right-wing Iranian Jews saw the car with the flags, shouted “fuck you” at the Palestinians, then threw a bottle from their table at the car.
No wonder Ami doesn’t bother trying to present evidence of that “anti-Semitic attack.”
New York Assemblyman Dov Hikind – a protégé of convicted terrorist Rabbi Meir Kahane – claims to have identified another “victim of anti-Jewish violence” in Las Vegas.
But to eyes less biased than Hikind’s, the facts tell a different story.
By his own account, the “victim” – a Jew from Staten Island – accosted a Palestinian family he encountered at the MGM Casino with the boast that he too is “from Palestine” (he isn’t), and that “Jews have been around for 5,000 years” (they haven’t), adding that he is a “proud Jew” – meaning, evidently, that he supported Israel’s theft of Palestinian land and the massacre Israel was perpetrating in order to secure it. It seems this taunt angered the Palestinian man sufficiently to induce him to push his interlocutor backward, causing him to fall – whereupon the “proud Jew” called the police.
As if being shoved in a casino after bragging about your fondness for racist violence weren’t proof enough of universal Jew-hatred, the “victim” points angrily to the fact that the police are “only” charging his assailant with “battery.” He thinks he suffered a “hate crime” – though from my point of view there’s more “hate” in endorsing mass murder than in getting upset about it.
Anyway, if that’s the horrific “anti-Jewish violence” that’s supposed to be sweeping America, I’m not panicking.
In fact, if the consequences weren’t so sinister, some of the hoopla would be almost funny.
One story making the rounds in mainstream media alleges an “attack” on an empty kosher pizzeria located on Manhattan’s posh Upper East Side. As far as I can tell, all that’s known is that someone damaged the front door during the night – there’s no evidence of a motive, let alone an anti-Semitic motive. But when Israel needs cover stories, a damaged glass door is a Big Deal: the Anti-Defamation League is said to be “working with law-enforcement officials to investigate the incident,” while Ben Kallos, a Jewish member of New York City Council, added: “This is happening everywhere…. People are in fear all over our city.”
By way of contrast, when the owner of the Foodbenders grocery in Toronto was subjected last year to a systematic campaign of harassment, vandalism and threats for posting comments supportive of occupied Palestine in a shop window, the police refused to act – even when video clearly showed an identifiable woman defacing Foodbenders’ front door with spray-painted graffiti. Meanwhile, local politicians attacked the owner, calling her expressions of sympathy for Palestinians “disgusting,” “hateful,” “abhorrent” and “unacceptable.” Double standards, anyone?
If these fictions about “anti-Semitic violence” have a familiar ring, they should: Israel’s mouthpieces have been telling the same tall tales for years. In May 2002, just in time to divert public attention from Israel’s escalating terror campaign in the occupied West Bank (where, in less than a month, Israeli forces killed nearly 500 Palestinians and demolished 878 homes), a Zionist professor at San Francisco State University claimed to have seen an “out of control mob” launch “a raw, physical assault” on “praying [Jewish] students, and the elderly women…who survived the Holocaust.”
The “Palestinians and their supporters,” she wrote, were “literally chanting for our deaths,” while “the police could do nothing more than surround the Jewish students and community members who were now trapped in the corner of a plaza, grouped under the flags of Israel.”
That this story was fabricated – a fact the redoubtable scholar Norman Finkelstein confirmed simply by checking with Jewish eyewitnesses – did not prevent it from being repeatedly broadcast as fact in “worldwide media venues,” as the Jewish Journal boasted within two weeks of the professor’s account.
Media complicity in the propaganda campaign is another persistent component of the problem – a point Finkelstein underscored in his book Beyond Chutzpah. In 2003, as Israel completed its brutal suppression of the Second Intifada, the “progressive” Jewish magazine Tikkun announced that America was experiencing a “virulent new strain” of “anti-Semitism.”
The proof? “A Jewish student wearing a yarmulke at Yale University is attacked by a Palestinian in his dormitory,” shrilled the article’s lead paragraph.
But Finkelstein found that “no one at Yale’s Center for Jewish Life or the university administration had ever heard of such an assault.”
Embarrassing, wouldn’t you think? But if the author of that lie, one Miriam Greenspan, or Tikkun, the publisher, learned a lesson about inventing “anti-Jewish violence” where none exists, you wouldn’t know it from their behavior. Sixteen years later, Greenspan was still complaining in prominent media about “the PC brand of antisemitic anti-Zionism that flourishes today, in which the ancient animosity toward Jews as a ‘race’ has been transposed to Israel as a nation.”
Meanwhile, Tikkun’s Rabbi Michael Lerner was pontificating that “a growing section of progressives are in fact legitimating anti-Semitic tropes,” such as the claim that Israel is a “central ally of global imperialism.” Plus ça change, plus c’est la même chose.
I myself exposed media complicity in another pogrom-that-wasn’t – on the blog site of the Times of Israel, no less. Once again, the context was an Israeli massacre – this time in July 2014, when the assault Israel cynically dubbed “Protective Edge” had already claimed 150 of the more than 2,100 Gazan lives it would obliterate that summer.
Once again, slaughtered Palestinians were upstaged in the press by hysterical reports that a mob of anti-Semites had attacked a Paris synagogue on Bastille Day,while helpless Jews “cowered” inside.
In fact, the synagogue was never attacked at all; the violence was started by Jewish hoodlums who assaulted a group of demonstrators engaged in a noisy but nonviolent protest in the street outside. I haven’t seen any retractions of the original (false) story, though. As far as mainstream media are concerned, stories alleging anti-Semitic attacks don’t require proof – they are true by definition.
Even when not manufactured out of whole cloth, the tales of Jew-hatred are seldom what they seem. In the last two weeks, the New York press has been agog with horrified accounts of a man who started a fire outside a Brooklyn yeshiva and punched a Hasidic man a few hours later. As it happens, there is surveillance video evidence supporting the story.
But the suspect, Ali Alaheri, is also accused of burning an American flag outside a Catholic church and knocking over an image of Jesus in the week prior to the alleged arson at the yeshiva. What is more – though this isn’t mentioned in any of the articles I’ve read – court records show that Alaheri, while in prison on other charges in 2019, was held on a “suicide watch” and was described by a judge as having “significant mental health issues.”
So, while it’s possible that his latest acts reflected anti-Semitism, they’re more likely just the products of a disturbed mind. But don’t expect to learn that from the press.
The editorial bias that makes these bogus stories possible extends to the media’s uncritical reliance on dubious “sources.” When New York City’s Mayor Bill de Blasio promised enhanced police protection for “Jewish communities” on May 23, he was standing alongside Rabbi Bernard Freilich, according to the Jerusalem Post, which also claimed that America is experiencing “the worst anti-Semitic attacks in decades.”
“Antisemitism has to be stopped immediately,” Rabbi Freilich piously added. “It’s just out of control.”
Freilich ought to know something about being “out of control.” In 2011, the rabbi abruptly “submitted his resignation” from a $100,000-a-year job with the New York State Police after he was caught misusing a police badge, a vehicle placard and a set of emergency lights. In any other context, that kind of history might impair his credibility – but you won’t see it mentioned when he’s adding weight to an Israel-inspired propaganda blitz.
Actually, the sheer mendacity of the pro-atrocity campaign is getting so extreme that, apart from shady political fixers like Freilich, Jewish media are having trouble finding mouthpieces unscrupulous enough to fabricate the PR. So we find the latest issue of Ami Magazine relying on a non-Jewish ex-spook named John Loftus for the bizarre claim that Associated Press and Al Jazeera reporters deliberately “looked the other way every single time” Hamas fighters in Gaza aimed mortar rounds at “Israeli school buses full of children” (yes, really), thus rendering the journalists and their employers “complicit” in “war crimes.”
And just who is John Loftus? Well, the most notorious point of his media career occurred when, during an interview on Fox News, he gave out the address of a suburban Los Angeles home with the false claim that it contained a “terrorist,” forcing an innocent family of five to obtain police protection. (Fox called this a “careless error,” but quickly dropped Loftus as a “contributor.”)
Using a guy like that to proclaim Jewish innocence by manufacturing evidence-free conspiracy theories is scraping the bottom of a pretty filthy barrel. But apparently Loftus is kosher as long as he’s whitewashing the right criminals – that is, Jewish ones.
The bottom line? Whenever Israel is dropping bombs on helpless people, and you read in the press that “Jews are under attack,” or that there is a world-wide “wave of anti-Semitic violence,” you can be pretty sure you’re being lied to.
And not just because the “facts” in those stories are generally falsified or embellished.
There’s a deeper problem, too.
The message underlying all the propaganda never varies: Jewish discomfort is somehow the fault of Palestinians and their supporters – “anti-Semitism” is something critics of Israel must either “distance themselves from” or be tarred with. If Jews don’t like the sound of Palestinian activism, the activists need to justify themselves to the satisfaction of the Jews. Otherwise there is no merit in their defense of Palestinian rights, leaving Israel the aggrieved party by default.
Yet the truth is exactly the reverse of this. Jews have never had anything to fear from pro-Palestinian activism. On the contrary: Israel’s propagandists (politicians, pundits, “journalists” included) are not only complicit in Israel’s crimes against Palestinians; they are far and away the most powerful fomenters of anti-Semitism in the world today.
For it is the apologists for Israeli violence, not Palestinians, who scream from every media platform that Jews, by definition, must be criminals: that “Jewish identity” entails the oppression of non-Jews, the theft of their land, the confinement of whole populations in squalid ghettos where they are periodically massacred.
It is Israel’s “supporters,” not Palestinians, who insist that all criticism of Israeli atrocities necessarily offends Jews – who must, ex hypothesi, be defenders of mass murder, torture and apartheid. It is they, not Palestinians, who deny that Jews with ethical principles can really be Jews at all. It is they who equate Judaism with land theft and Jewish identity with ethnic supremacism.
Can there possibly be a more anti-Semitic teaching than this? Anyone who is genuinely concerned about anti-Jewish bigotry is simply wasting time talking about Palestinian activists (whose leading figures, in any case, have scrupulously excluded anti-Semitism from the movement).
The real target should be the pro-Israel crowd that, as I write, is aggressively propagandizing the world with the claim that the word “Jew” and the phrase “lawless, bloody occupier of other people’s territory” mean one and the same thing.
Which brings me to the case of Joseph Borgen. In the midst of all the media fakery about “anti-Semitic violence,” Borgen, a young Long Island accountant, lays claim to being just about the only Jew who has actually experienced a verifiable physical attack in the last few weeks that may have been motivated, in part, by his religious affiliation.
But what actually happened?
According to Borgen’s own account (reported in fawning detail by Ami Magazine), he was on his way to a pro-Israel demonstration in Times Square on May 20 – wearing a yarmulke – when, just “a couple of blocks away from the rally,” he was suddenly surrounded by “a crowd of people” who beat and kicked him, and then “proceed[ed] to mace and pepper spray me” before police arrived. He suffered minor injuries, was treated at Bellevue Hospital, and was released later that same night. As least one arrest has already been made in the case; police are still seeking other suspects.
Ami’s headline for the story is nothing short of hysterical: “ATTACKED by Anti-Semites!” (Yes, the capital letters and exclamation point all appear in the original.)
A bit of historical perspective is in order. The day American hostages, newly released from Iran, reached American soil in January 1981, the New York Times – the same newspaper that is convulsed with indignation if a Jewish supporter of Israeli atrocities gets his hat knocked off – editorialized that there should be “rage and revulsion” in the streets of the US, where Iranian students bold enough to stage pro-Khomeini demonstrations (according to Newsweek) had already been subject to “violent” treatment that included attacks with baseball bats. Khomeini, with all his faults, was guilty of nothing worse than the crimes Israel commits regularly against Palestinians – but the Times considered “rage and revulsion” appropriate ways to deal with people who rallied in his support.
Woody Allen, always an accurate bellwether of orthodox liberal opinion, was even more direct in his 1979 film Manhattan. “Has anybody read that Nazis are gonna march in New Jersey,” he asks in one scene. “We should go there, get some guys together. Get some bricks and baseball bats and explain things to ‘em.” A woman – one of Allen’s stereotypical, myopic bluestockings – mentions a “devastating satirical piece on that in the Times,” to which Allen tartly replies, “Well, a satirical piece in the Times is one thing, but bricks get right to the point.”
For the record, I don’t agree with Allen. Violence breeds violence, and throwing bricks (at whatever target) can only end by elevating the sort of people who prefer brick-throwing to civilization – not the elements we want to strengthen. But I have never sat in a movie audience that didn’t laugh appreciatively at Allen’s suggestion that Nazis deserve a little roughing up.
So where does that leave the Jewish accountant who was so fond of racist brutality that he dropped everything he was doing on May 20 to publicly demonstrate his support for it?
In a 1990 interview, the respected Israeli intellectual Yeshayahu Leibowitz – who was also a religious Jew – warned that Israel was becoming “a Judeo-Nazi state.” Noting that “the Israeli Defense Force, armed to the teeth by American weapons, has assassinated 150 [Palestinian] children in the past two years alone,” Leibowitz insisted that the word “Nazi” was the only appropriate word to describe its conduct:
The minister of Defense [Yitzhak Rabin] who gave the order to break the arms and legs of Palestinian prisoners is a Nazi…And the president of the High Court [Moshe Landau], who judged that torturing prisoners was allowed, is a Nazi.”
I cannot gainsay Leibowitz’s reasoning. So let us use plain language to describe inescapable facts. The Times Square demonstration – the purpose of which was to flaunt Jewish support for crimes against humanity – was a Nazi rally. The Jews who organized it were Nazis. For his eagerness to attend, Joseph Borgen, if not actually a Nazi, was at least a Nazi sympathizer.
And according to the moral standards endorsed by the New York Times, by Woody Allen, and by all of Allen’s liberal admirers, Borgen got off rather lightly under the circumstances: he was kicked and pepper-sprayed, but not clobbered with bricks or baseball bats.
To repeat: I do not endorse that standard. Even Nazis have rights. I think it is entirely proper for Borgen’s assailants to be prosecuted.
But anyone who expects me to be shocked or outraged because one supporter of mass murder got slapped around in Times Square is barking up the wrong tree. What is outrageous is not that someone took a swing at Borgen next door to a Nazi rally he couldn’t wait to join. What is outrageous is that Jews organized a Nazi rally in the first place. That so many Jews enthusiastically attended it makes it doubly outrageous.
“The photos and videos are horrifying,” Ami Magazine declares in the same issue that laments the attack on Borgen. But the “photos and videos” its editors have in mind aren’t of the carnage inflicted by the Holy State on the men, women and children of Gaza. They’re of a handful of Jews who may have paid a small price for the Israeli teaching that Judaism is a violent, racist cult. For Ami and its fellow propagandists, only supporters of violence can be victims; the real victims – Palestinians – are simply nonpersons.
This appalling inversion of moral priorities gives the clue to the real nature of the myth of “anti-Semitic violence.” The myth is not just a distortion of facts. It is a grotesque revaluation of the most basic moral tenets; it makes “victims” of oppressors and converts truth-telling into bigotry.
That’s why we should not dignify the myth with a moment’s pause – let alone respond to it with our own condemnations of “anti-Semitism,” however tempting this may be to decent people who want to stress their freedom from bigotry. To allow phony “anti-Semitism” claims to dominate the public discourse about Palestine – especially under the circumstances we face now, as Israel moves from crime to bloody crime – is only to encourage the propagandists and to betray the Palestinians who await with dread the next Israeli onslaught.
The right approach is perfectly simple.
Denounce the crimes. Resist the criminals. Tell the truth. Support the victims.
And do not stop. Whatever the liars may say.
Michael Lesher is an author, poet and lawyer whose legal work is mostly dedicated to issues connected with domestic abuse and child sexual abuse. His latest nonfiction book is Sexual Abuse, Shonda and Concealment in Orthodox Jewish Communities (McFarland & Co., 2014); his first collection of poetry, Surfaces, was published by The High Window in 2019. A memoir of his discovery of Orthodox Judaism as an adult – Turning Back: The Personal Journey of a “Born-Again” Jew – was published in September 2020 by Lincoln Square Books.
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UPDATED (again) PINNED ADMIN COMMENT Please read before commenting Please reflect that, while there is clearly a huge campaign to associate legit criticism of Israel with ‘antisemitism’ claiming “the Joos”, en masse, as a race are behind this is an absurdly self-defeating argument of the worst kind. This is NOT the point if the article and if you claim it is as fact you are 1.handing the elites the ammunition they are hoping you will give them and 2.betraying your own genuine antisemitism. I am specifically talking about people who use a scholarly and worthwhile critique like this one, of how ‘antisemitism’ has been weaponized as a cover for wholesale attacks on the entire Jewish race/culture/faith, up to and including calls for their mass murder. People are freer to express their opinions on here than on any comparable site. We work hard to tread the line between managing trolls and… Read more »
Thank you for having the guts to tell the truth on this controversial issue. It’s the one no one wants to touch.
You should probably do something about your admin Sophie calling you anti-semitic in the comments with your own logo as her avatar, though. I’m going to go out on a limb here and guess she’s a Jew.
Thanks. We’ve decided to leave this here as a perfect example of my point.
I notice my comment regarding the extreme Jewish supremacist racism in the Talmud isn’t appearing. Are you Jewish, Sophie?
Thank you for clarifying your point Sophie as requested. Kudos.
I have been monitoring comments for 5 years. Two topics stood out by sheer number.
This.
And innumerable variants on
“George Soros is the devil.”
Yeah. That one. But I will avoid going off topic.
What I wanted to say is these literally caused a few sites to get rid of comments. In fact most sites have either eliminated or use a third party service.
This is a rapidly evolving area. Your unique style is one I have seen before watch out for.
You engage with your community while using a firm hand. I recommend it.
Kindest regards.
*eliminated comments* *and watch out for*
The George Soros comment is slander. Valid comments about comparisons of racism in various groups, whether religious and racial in terms of the Germans or religious in terms of the Israelis, do not fall into the same category.
NP. I had no idea who he was at the time and was trying to predict his profile from RT comments alone.
There wasn’t much to go on aside from the quantity of hate.
Then (and only then) I researched the guy.
Okay…. so not the Devil…. but what a guy. Yikes.
The story of how George, a young teen, was hidden and survived the war.
That being used against him was among the worst kinds of antisemitism I encountered.
His station in life is irrelevant.
His regime change behavior he is accountable for. And trying to ruin economies.
His religion is irrelevant there.
Sheesh… I am trying to design a privacy free speech platform where you decided what garbage you have to look at.
Me thinks A1 might see why.
Anyways, give me break. 😉
Sophie, you are Jewish, I am Jewish, Michael Lesher is Jewish. Why did you choose to defend Zionism from criticism? Branding criticism of supremacist ideology as “antisemitic” because it is Jewish? Why other Jewish people see the truth and you don’t, why did you choose to protect Jewish supremacists from exposure? For example, you are White. Would you do the same against an author of anti-White-supremacism article, accusing him of anti-Whiteness, of White-hatred? My questions are rhetorical. Obviously, you pretend (as Zionists do, too) that “all Jews” are one homogeneous mass, that to condemn one group of Jews is the same as “blame all Jews”. This is ridiculous. Jews are human beings. They have Nazis, anti-Nazis, supremacists, anti-supremacists, chauvinists, anti-chauvinists, Gentile-hating and universalists among them. It is essential to root out the evil. No matter among Jews or among other human identity groups.
Sophie did no such thing. Surely the admin’s religion or ethnicity is irrelevant, by your own reasoning, so why mention it? You mean Lesher, Sophie and yourself are three individuals. Stop talking hysterical nonsense. Stop saying people said things they didn’t say. Stop trying to whip up controversy. Classic trolling tactic. It is so arse-achingly obvious and boring. Actually open your eyes and read the article/comments. Or shut up. Either way it’s fine with me. A2
Hysteria? Projection? Satire? Wtf was that???
Anyway… that was nothing Sam. It’s groups of humans fixating here, or on Offg, that would be a problem.
With pros showing up as well? You have my sympathy. What a rat hole.
Noam Chomsky (a wold-famous linguist, scholar, and leftist “social justice warrior”) defended the freedom of expression for a guy who wrote a book that treatds the line between Holocaust speculation and denial. Using the more common conception of denial, according to the article I read on the topic. As you might imagine Noam got in a lot of trouble with the left- particularly in France. A Jew myself, I agree with Noam’s philosophy on the topic of censorship. Which is to say- if you are anti-censorship until you find something repugnant enough to censor.. you are martyrizing your opponent and likely making them more powerful by muzzling them. Worse, you are driving them underground, or more specifically to darknet servers, the Federated internet, and other semi-private spaces . I myself would prefer to have some warning before the QAnon crowd, or the Black Supremacy crowd, or even crazy right-wing Jewish… Read more »
The art is to continue to taunt then when the taunted fight back beat them in a disproportionate way then blame it on them for attacking you. Someone told me about how the fans of a football club would taunt a handful fans of the visiting team and when the fans chased them their would be hundreds of opposing fans waiting to pounce. What Israel is doing is taunting the Palestinians until they bite back then the Israelis are waiting to pounce and blame it on the Palestinians.
On the incendiary topic of the Holocaust, I think the ruling order has reached a crisis of propaganda. Whatever the truth of the matter, there is no other historical event – and no other item full stop – that plays such a crucial role, by way of contrast, in the ceaselessly relayed self image of the West – and America in particular – as The Great Good. And this is why every figure who opposes Western interests is invariably likened to Hitler – which prompted Gore Vidal to speak about the “Hitler of the Month Club”. The intended upshot is that the genocidal policies of the West could always be occluded by reference to the Holocaust as The Greatest Crime in All History, which seems to morph into The Only Crime. The very fact it is referred to as THE Holocaust suggests it was the only one. The crisis –… Read more »
Dear Michael, I think it would be great to see you in a discussion with Dr Robert Spencer from jihadwatch.org.
FYI
https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-gary-null-show/id352962705?i=1000523430204
PS Please do not tell me how bad Gary Null is, I have heard it before. At best he is a mixed bag. Just passing this along for ones general edification.
“Seems quisling toady hack Abbas (who should have been gone ten years ago) is still of some use to his Zionazi Death KKKult handlers/bosses. Meanwhile the white sheeted cone hooded goy boyz from Brooklyn continue their pogrom/ethnic cleansing unabated.”
https://electronicintifada.net/blogs/tamara-nassar/palestinian-authority-rounds-activists
Just today I heard his is now completely irrelevant and well beyond redemption.
And rich. Did I mention rich?
Your article also mentions he canceled elections and is illegitimate. The site seems really good.
Analysis of genes shows that Yemenis are the most semetic, followed by the Palestinians. Few Israeli citizens qualify.
It’s a religion and thus red herring argument in the end. The eastern sects once shared an empire with 2 other groups. The ME spread out generally.
Anyhoo I don’t think the DNA histories are disputed any more. I hope not. It probably is.
I find the publication, presence and continued existence of this expression of opinion to be remarkable. I believe the latest atrocities committed against the innocent of Palestine by ADF cowards, is commonly referred to by the colonial occupation Zionist gansters as ‘mowing the grass’. Repression, disappearance, massacre, and the global dissimulation and coverup of the crimes of the Apartheid Zionist theocracy is as unrelenting as it is morally repugnant. Al Jazeera journalist leaves hospital day after Israeli arrestAl Jazeera Arabic veteran journalist Givara Budeiri sustained a fractured hand while being violently arrested in Sheikh Jarrah, occupied East Jerusalem. In short, Israel is the measure of our failings and our incompetence. We have waited for a great leader for years, but none came; we have waited for a mighty military victory, but we were defeated roundly; we have waited for outside powers (the US or,in its time, the Soviet Union), but… Read more »
In Oldham, I grew up with the Children, of people who had escaped from Eastern Europe to England, before, during and after WWII. My best friend had an exceedingly long surname. It was Edward Siekiowski or something very close. I hope he is still alive. He was a great mate. He often came top of our class. Hannah Hrubiak (or something close) was even cleverer. She taught me how to do up my shoelaces when I had to change them for PE when I was nearly 5 years. I was proud of my England then, for providing a country to live in where everyone felt safe. The third best book I have ever read in my life is by Arthur Koestler “Scum of The Earth” No doubt Sophie has already pressed Delete, as I am unworthy. Spare a thought for Craig Murray, who is probably going to be sent to… Read more »
If you’re lonely try a dating site, if you want attention, start a blog. I’ll even let you post a link if you do. It’s nothing personal, it’s just people find your made up stuff about your fantasy life to be very boring I’m afraid. If we don’t take it down they complain. 🤷🏻♀️
I started a blog so that I could talk to myself. I found it solved both problems. And! I never have to post links because my audience always shows up for the show.
Err… you’re recommending a dating site? Are you sure about that? I mean sure it solves one problem….
Sophie has a good suggestion about doing a blog. It adds the the benefit of aggregating your writing.
I do enjoy your OT posts when that’s the case. However sites have rules. It’s really a social media problem I think I have a good solution to. I see variations of it now.
That’s boyh Lengthy and OT. I would rank this site high for being tolerant.
As a guide, I would point to here, where links off-site are mixed with well cited opinion on topic, as being a good style. I would mix links to content I like were I linking my own site to avoid being spammy.
Or… If you would like a troll army of foul mouthed thirteen year olds… that’s another matter. Lol.
I suspect Koestler was bumped off for writing the Thirteenth Tribe.
No, Koestler’s health was in decline. His wife committed suicide with him – she was in good health and some speculated that Koestler, who was accused after he was dead of having committed at least one rape during his lifetime, bullied her into a suicide pact.
The Zio-media are an utter, complete and total joke.
Does anybody here remember way back in 2017, when ‘Orange Hitler’ was a freshly minted president? There was suddenly a string of bomb threats made against several US synagogues, and the media went nuts blaming Trump for this tidal wave of anti-Semitism sweeping the country!!!
Then it turned out that these threats were actually false-flags being perpetrated by a Jewish teenager living in Israel — you can’t make this stuff up! To their credit, the Israelis actually found the kid and deported to the US to stand trial. (They’re usually known for sheltering Jewish fugitives from justice rather than handing them over.)
http://www.arabamericannews.com/2017/03/23/u-s-israeli-teen-arrested-in-israel-over-bomb-threats-to-jewish-centers/
So, do you think that the ADL eventually amended their ‘anti-Semitic slurs and attacks’ figure for the year? Not a chance!
Well… it was a teenager. I heard but that’s one where it’s good they memory holed it.
The other teenager that comes to mind was kid wthe Maga hat whilet the First Nation elder was drumming at the rally.
The third was PePe the Frog 🐸 4Chan hysteria and the weird man involved with them getting punched on camera.
The comedian Avi (the self identified) The Jew interviewed him but parts of the story remain hidden.
There are a number of prominent left voices on the left discussing these events with academics. The majority seem to be Jewish. This article adds to that growing list.
I appreciate this is difficult for some people but they deserve more respect for addressing this head on.
On the topic of (alleged) anti-Semitism, I was curious about the reception given to Alice Walker who dared to express admiration for David Icke. I find on Wiki: In May 2013, Walker expressed appreciation for the works of the British conspiracy theorist David Icke. On BBC Radio 4’s Desert Island Discs, she said that Icke’s book Human Race Get Off Your Knees: The Lion Sleeps No More would be her choice if she could have only one book. The book promotes the theory that the Earth is ruled by shapeshifting reptilian humanoids and “Rothschild Zionists”. Jonathan Kay of the National Post described this book (and Icke’s other books) as “hateful, hallucinogenic nonsense.” Kay wrote that Walker’s public praise for Icke’s book was “stunningly offensive” and that by taking it seriously, she was disqualifying herself “from the mainstream marketplace of ideas.” Now I don’t know about you, but I would have… Read more »
Thank you for that last Link. I have not read “The Color of Purple” but her poem “Talmud” shows a prose writer who can also turn out a prose-poem or poem-in-broken-up-prose. I understand her sympathy with another ethnically discriminated group, the Palestinians; in preWar days she would probably have sympathised with Jews. Black Lives Matter nowadays, where does she stand on that?
Her “Talmud” touches some comically weird but also some deeply serious issues between The Chosen People (in fact, Any chosen people) and The Rest of Us.
What about the 1 billion or so people of a certain faith – or upbringing – who have swallowed that version of Chosen People.
MGeo you underestimate its popularity. “Of the world’s major religions, Christianity is the largest, with more than **two** billion followers.”
“Israel ‘urges’ media crackdown.”
Here is Israel demanding more media control.
The degree of control would be evident in the level of crack down, no?
no crackdown = no influence
https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/gantz-urges-facebook-tiktok-executives-to-crack-down-on-social-media-incitement/
It’s not rocket science.
Here’s Dr Norman Finklesteins take on his view of what he calls ‘The New Anti-Semitism’
http://normanfinkelstein.com/?s=new+antisemitism
Finkelstein is a remarkable man. The very fact of being so much in the limelight attracts far more antagonism than the content of his lectures could ever merit, and his calm, utterly reasonable concern with the facts, and not merely the emotions, of Jewish – Gentile issues is a courageous stance for any modern person to take.
You have to be pretty vicious yourself, or to have been successfully propagandized, not to see that his personal interest in this topic is a human interest, and not a partisan one.
He is an example of what a human being could, and should be, wherever they are born.
This is one of the most amazing exchanges I’ve seen: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kw7FJ9y8m4M And note how the young woman asking the question has already been wound up to a quivering hysterical wreck before Norman even speaks! And this one I hadn’t seen before but it may be even better: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x2zZgFeQr6E Transcript here: http://www.allreadable.com/57692ji3 “Norman, I want to ask you about a video, one of the first videos that I’d ever seen of you. The first time I ever discovered that you existed was a video of you on a site Reddit.com and it was a young student and I forget the university you were at and he cried in front of you as you spoke of the Holocaust. It invoked a very visual emotional response in her and you were unwavering in your response to that. That particular video has a certain amount of mis-understanding about it. First of all, the young… Read more »
All performative rituals have many things in common. I totally accept the sentiment expressed here. But…
What’s troubling is not just the level of disconnect involved. The denial and often total lack of rationality.
To me it is the depth of emotion and sincerity that is usually in play.
Russaphobia anyone? There’s many examples. So while I am glad she buys in to the horror and history of genocide, this same phenomena caused it.
For an article proclaiming to be against the weaponisation of “Anti semitism” you certainly do a lot of “Anti semitism” mud flinging, you just cant help yourselves can you
Could you give examples supporting your accusation?
A hit & run comment, usually doesn’t sit well with OffG commenters?
The hint is at top of the OffG Website.
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BECAUSE FACTS REALLY SHOULD BE SACRED
Thanks. We’ve decided to leave this here as a perfect example of my point.
quite strikingly… on jerusalem day, may 10, 2021 (numerology ~ 11) “The pillar of fire and a large plume of smoke were clearly visible atop the Temple Mount as night fell on Jerusalem.” felt like signalling & a tell for things to come … the planned building of the 3rd temple to be completed, the corner-stone laid in the year 2050? the first temple, solomons temple embedded in my mind & belly via trance, rape & torture when i was a child … past/present/future programming ~ ‘endtimes’ … the 3rd temple uniting the 3 major abrahamic faiths – judaism, christianity, & islam. nwo ~ one world religion agenda.
Well said. It’s high time the truth was exposed. The problem is exacerbated because the USA keep vetoing Sanctions against Israel at the UN. Our Govt and opposition here is controlled by the BOD with over 50% of MPS being Friends of Israel. Israel has beenot officially declared an Apartheid Nation and should be treated acordingly. Anyone who remembers the live footage some years ago now on BBC news where a BBC correspondent (with the film crew in a car behind) hands in the air with PRESS largely written on his hat and a Press card displayed approached an Israeli border vehicle requesting entry was, 11 seconds into it executed by an Israeli soldier by a shot to the head. This is a Nation out of control and the USA supports it.
I know this is an “unmentionable” topic (and I reckon the true measure of propaganda and manipulation of a system is to look at the truly taboo areas) … but, to posit, if momentarily, that Nazi crimes, vile though they were, have been exaggerated in certain areas is to posit something with jaw dropping consequences i.e. it implies that the Nazis, though evil, no longer constitute an “exceptional” evil. And such a consideration would remove the magical mystical aura surrounding so much of the later 20th century political and psychological thought e.g. all that Jungian stuff about the demon of “the German collective mind” – and perhaps all that stuff about the demon of any “collective mind”? And on that topic, consider how we are constantly being urged not to forget the Holocaust and yet delving into the roots, and even the details, of this event is something that is… Read more »
It’s not an unmentionable topic, provided it’s done intelligently and with due respect for the fact millions of people did suffer and die. Unfortunately intelligent objective investigation into the historical documentation for the death camps etc tends to be hijacked by covert and unintelligent racists looking to justify their hate by masking it behind an intellectualism they don’t actually care about or even understand. They just want to bash the Jews and sneakily worm in suggestions that Hitler was ok really.
if that can be avoided, no reason informed, fact-based discussion can’t happen.
It may be worth mentioning here that Raul Hilberg, the pioneer scholar of the Nazi genocide of Jews, argued publicly that even Holocaust deniers sometimes make observations that improve scholarship on the subject. And even Nazi atrocities can be exaggerated. For instance, the popular idea that the Nazis made soap from the fat of murdered Jews is a myth that has survived repeated scholarly debunkings. And an excellent book by Norman Finkelstein and Ruth Bettina Birn, A Nation on Trial, thoroughly refutes the fashionable thesis (notably advanced by Daniel Goldhagen) that virtually all Germans were complicit in genocidal policies. Another of Finkelstein’s books — The Holocaust Industry, a brilliant analysis of the weaponization of the Nazi genocide — demonstrates (among other things) the inflation of the number of death camp survivors by various Jewish-led organizations in order to extract additional “reparations” in recent decades. Finkelstein underscores the irony that if… Read more »
There are multiple approaches to manipulating the ‘antisemitism’ smear and we can’t afford to be naive about it. One such approach is, as you discuss so eloquently, to hype up or invent incidents of racial attacks, or to dishonestly conflate critique of Israel with attacks on Jewish people or Judaism. But there is another, which is to intentionally pollute and discredit any objective discussion of the Holocaust and related issues with gross race hate. And there is the additional consideration that real neonazis and racist hate merchants congregate around legitimate discussion of such issues and use it as a cover for inserting their apologies and endorsement of the murder and persecution of Jewish people. This means any such discussion quickly becomes infested with disinformation shills and real Nazis spewing grotesque and extreme hate speech, and with more subtle agents trying to nudge things in the direction of racism at every… Read more »
All true. And I appreciate the extraordinary efforts of the administrators in connection with my writing. I have never intended to complicate their lives, or yours. Unfortunately, writing about inconvenient — but important — facts involves several hazards, not the least of which is attracting the sort of human refuse that preys on these things for all the wrong reasons. One long-running irritant for me, just for instance, is knowing that my work on sex abuse cover-ups among Orthodox Jews is generally ignored in “respectable” venues, while it’s quoted extensively on neo-Nazi and Jew-hating sites. Needless to say, their interest in this material has nothing to do with my reasons for writing it. But it’s impossible to keep them away. One reason (among others) I’m so passionate about exposing the Israel lobby’s weaponization of anti-Semitism is that (as I suggest in the article) it can ultimately unleash a backlash against… Read more »
I am just anti violence, and I don’t give a rats if people follow some weird man invented religion to justify it
You get the good with the bad. The same thing happens, in fact even worse, with Islam and Muslims in this day and age. They are a major target and not just with fanatics. Such fear/extremism will always be a part of the human condition but generally, truth does out. Unfortunately Judaism and its followers has allowed Israel to get away with the lie that it represents the religion. It does not. It never did. Zionism represents itself and exploits Judaism and its followers and the sooner Jews separate themselves from the State, the better it will be. Most Jews live safely in many countries around the world and are not at threat. The more the religion can put aside the Israeli State and its own entrenched concept of victimhood, the better will be the religion and the safer its followers. All humans are descended from trauma. The healthy ones… Read more »
By “unmentionable” topic I referred to those who do in fact query the claim that there was a plan to deliberately exterminate an entire race. I know that there have been plenty of anti-Semitic ravings to carry out such an extermination. The question is whether an actual attempt was made. There is a website called “Wikispooks” which I have found to be very informative and which seems to me to put forward points in a reasoned way. They refer to the Holocaust narrative as follows: There are three fundamental tenets which together comprise the Official Narrative of “The Holocaust”:1. That extermination of the Jewish populations of Germany and the countries it occupied during World War II had become official German government policy by 1941 (There is even an ongoing debate as to when the “Holocaust” took place. On one hand, there are historians who say it took place in 1933, and… Read more »
These points use very squirmy language. 1) while the exact date on which these racist policies became adopted is a valid question for historians it can’t be used to claim Nazi Germany was not a racist state – correct? 2) ok, important question historically, but not morally. Whether they died in purpose-built gas chambers or in purpose-built work camps, or in walled-off ghettoes, or by being shot and dumped in mass graves, they still died, in large numbers and in subhuman conditions. This is still a crime against humanity. Let’s be careful not to sound as if we think that’s actually kinda ok as long as Zyklon B isn’t the culprit 3) again, the numbers matter for historical accuracy and record of course, but we need to be very clear we are NOT saying “it was only 1 million so that’s ok”. This is slippery and intentionally treacherous terrain. Negotiate… Read more »
Wikispooks is listing the three above tenets as what is to be queried. They are querying whether it was ever the policy of Germany to cause the total extermination of an entire race.
I know. You said that in the comment above. Why do you think I’m not aware of that?
The point I am trying to make is this –
The Nazis dehumanized, dispossessed, incarcerated and enslaved millions of Jews, many of whom died either through disease, starvation or direct violence.
So, if we embark on querying whether “it was ever the policy of Germany to cause the total extermination of an entire race” we need to be very careful to do so with due acknowledgment of these undisputed facts. Otherwise we might accidentally become apologists for fascist mass-murder. Which is not anything we want to do.
Agreed?
Agreed.
And as I said somewhere, “Holocaust denial” is something which the system’s propagandists like to keep bringing up. They actually don’t mind if vast numbers deny the Holocaust – as long as people keep talking about it. And of course, such denial will inevitably provoke the most violent confrontations – which is, as always, the main aim of the propaganda.
I don’t usually bother with this sort of thing, but since others seem to have been drawn into the chatter, a few brief words may be in order. The “Wikispooks” site is utterly worthless. It relies entirely on repeatedly-debunked “sources” and does not cite a single actual historian of the subject. The text of the “Official Narrative” that heads the site provides an immediate clue to the disingenuous nature of the authors’ enterprise. What is an “Official Narrative”? Who is supposed to have made these specific claims, and what makes them “fundamental”? This is a transparent straw-man maneuver. If serious historical discussion were the authors’ objective, they would presumably have quoted from a historian and then adduced evidence questioning some particular assertion. To make up a “narrative” and then to do a witches’ dance around it is pure nonsense — in this context, sinister nonsense. The specific claims attributed to… Read more »
Utterly agree and thank you for your post, Michael. Reading through these comments I think this is a good place to end this thread. There has been some respectful back and forth but, as you rightly mention, it has drifted further and further off-topic and it feels right to end it here. Thank you once more for your message. A2
I’m afraid it is an unmentionable topic since there are certain assumptions which any enquirer has to make before investigating this period – and this is not true of any other period. But if some questioners did not make these assumptions in advance then it will automatically be assumed that they “just want to bash the Jews and sneakily worm in suggestions that Hitler was ok really”. And, to make it even more complicated, genuine anti-Semites and paid up trolls will be eager to jump in and really bash the Jews etc.
I can understand this. It may no longer be relevant anyway. It’s how the past is used now that should be highlighted.
I am not talking about what is acceptable in the mainstream. I am talking about what is acceptable here. We work very hard to maintain a fair and decent policy on this tortured topic. No historical event should be beyond rational analysis, and data should always be paramount. We maintain that as essential. But we can’t just ignore or underestimate the extent to which Holocaust revisionism has been colonised by those with antisemitic or covert pro-Israel propagandist agendas. David Irving, for example, never denied there had been wholesale persecution of Jewish people and other groups under the Nazis. He merely made attempts to offer what he saw as factual corrections to details of how this was done. However most of his ‘followers’ on here have abandoned that nuanced and relatively rational approach in favour of claiming or insinuating that the entire story of Nazi atrocities is a lie. This is… Read more »
I understand what you are saying and if I came across as aggressive it is because I thought you had deleted a post I made although I see it is still “awaiting spam check”. I found this definition which I think is relevant: A “Holocaust Denier”, contrary to what one might infer is not someone who denies that The Holocaust took place, but someone who questions whether it took place as described by the official narrative. David Irving is a curious case. I have read some of what he has written on his blog and he doesn’t do himself any favours by specifically mentioning “Jews” in a derogatory way. From what I recall he also has a certain “robust” opinions on other matters e.g. gays (by which I mean he is “old fashioned” in the worst sense!). I reckon it is easy to spot genuine anti-Semitism: it is precisely those… Read more »
I am not talking about what is acceptable in the mainstream.…No historical event should be beyond rational analysis, and data should always be paramount.We maintain that as essential This, it could be argued, is disingenuous. Discussion of the factual details surrounding this topic are not just ‘unacceptable in the mainstream’, they are unacceptable anywhere outside of a carefully demarcated political fringe- one that is consistently demonised by mainstream and radical thinkers alike. How can we understand our history (and our present) in such an atmosphere? In several countries it is illegal to discuss this topic, something that cannot be said of Covid, 9/11, JFK, the moon landings and other so-called ‘conspiracy theories’. People go to prison for attempts to break with the consensus view. The Holocaust narrative occupies a wholly unique position in our culture, one that many see as imbued with religious qualities. To question the Holocaust (the details… Read more »
Sophie – Admin1 Jun 5, 2021 8:44 PMPlease reflect that claiming “the Joos” are inventing antisemitism is an absurdly self-defeating argument of the worst kind.All you are doing is1.handing the elites the ammunition they are hoping you will give them and2.betraying your own genuine antisemitism. False flag thinking is part and parcel of awareness of the way the mind works its own deceit. So to assert that elements within a group identity cannot set up a grievance as a basis of leveraging fear and funding, while suppressing critical opposition, is entirely without substance. The whole basis and nature of this pinned non-reply statement is the most self-damning thing I have ever read from OG. It may be a plea to mitigate criticism of anything associated with the Jewish identity, but if so it backfires by actively joining a denial of freedom of thought and speech. It would be clear enough to… Read more »
So to assert that elements within a group identity cannot set up a grievance as a basis of leveraging fear and funding, while suppressing critical opposition, is entirely without substance. Oh ffs. Of course elements within a group can do that, that’s the whole point of the article! I am specifically talking about people who use this as a cover for wholesale attacks on the entire Jewish race/culture/faith, up to and including calls for their mass murder. People are freer to express their opinions on here than on any comparable site. We work hard to tread the line between managing trolls and allowing real commenters to have their say. But no, that doesn’t extend to spouting generic race hate. If you feel the lack of that then you are free to find a group of likeminded people who enjoy using infantile pejoratives for their fellow humans and/or want to see… Read more »
A principle means to suppress awareness, consciousness and action regarding ‘trouble at home’ is the cultivation or flagging up of threats from others or outside that target and perpetuate conditioning from past experience. We know that a leadership can and does resort to setting up such threats such as the West running ISIS as proxies. We have some awareness of psycho-pathy in terms of planning and executing fraud and violence as a means to leverage special rights and privileges for defence and counter attack. And so playing the victim card is another such ruse and is a principle basis for cancel culture, climate fascism and covidian cult worship. Along with all is the setting of what are now called securitised narratives – which is also the ‘political’ (sic) system in which there are no user accessible parts; a sealed unit, ergo Lock In. Your last paragraph is as puerile as… Read more »
Mind Traps are such that any reference becomes a sin excepting to show narrative compliance. For to not support is seen as supporting attack and thus as one with ‘attacker’ in sin. The word ‘sacred’ implies special or set apart in worth as well as being set above criticism, editing or change. Something is considered sacred TO an identity or group, Identities given power to enforce such dictates are then given special right over others whose right is ignored or actively attacked as the taking of power from the subjugation of another. The critical idea in this is of ‘identity’ set sacred as a right over and against others set outside such right or power. But more insidiously, is the setting OF such identity in power as grievance in guilt set holy and forever beyond change. It is the worship of guilt as source of power that traps any attempt… Read more »
Jews and Israel are used as a proxy for the United States government. The US knows it is too powerful to play victim so if it’s interests are challenged, its intelligence agencies claim ‘anti-semitism’. This is what happened in the 2019 UK general election, when Jeremy Corbyn was accused of anti-semitism from powerful interests, including within the Labour Party, even though he had never said or done anything anti-semitic. In fact, it was his views of NATO, nuclear weapons and British foreign policy that was the ‘problem’, hence why no one challenged the lack of anti-semitism in Corbyn’s past.
Ohhh those evil white people of European origin again TUT Never mind that there is CLEARLY an agenda by “our” governments and the media owned predominantly by guess who, against white people, including mass immigration policies under the flimsiest of pretexts, Not enough white people being born to staff all the hospitals (all immigrants are nurses and doctors apparently) all the while the same governments and media promote the idea of over population, abortion and same sex marriage, none of which are conducive to increasing a declining population are they, quite the reverse in fact ! And lets not forget the vilification of Nationalism, such as the cultured hatred of the United states and Great Britain, and a push for a globalist non nationalist government. Not exactly the actions of White “Americans” or White “British” wanting to increase their power base is it, unless they hate themselves and their race,… Read more »
I feel sick for the way Jeremy Corbyn has been treated by the zionist zealots.Poor man.
It was Jeremy’s own fault for not standing up to the Zionazi bullies. Corbyn threw his staunchest allies to the wolves for the sake of party unity. As you say, a Leader whose performance excites pity rather than awe.
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“What shall I wear…?”
She has a nice arm.
Sensible Jews and those who care about their religion will categorically separate from the pariah State of apartheid Israel. It is also time for people to start using the correct term for those crushed under Israel’s colonial military boot – NON-JEWS. It is not because they are Palestinians, or of Palestinian origin, or because their culture is Arabic. In 1947 Israel gave immediate citizenship to all Palestinian Arab Jews so clearly, no issue with Palestinians or Arabs, just with non-Jews. This religious bigotry is denied everytime people talk about Palestinians or Arabs. The correct focus of Israel’s hatred is, NON-JEWS. While Aryan is a racial grouping and Jew is a religious grouping, the principles of racism remain the same according to definitions. There is no difference between the targeting of non-Aryans by the Nazis and the targeting of non-Jews by the Zionist Jewish Israelis. In fact, the latter could be… Read more »
Arian is a linguistic grouping, as is Semitic. Arian refers to the language of ancient Iran, one of the Indo-European languages. Naturally there is a genetic element as well, because people who lived in Indo-Europe tend to resemble Hindus, Pakistanis and Persians (Englishmen used to refer to “our Arian cousin”). On the other hand, anti-Semitic cartoons of the pre-War era drew Jews whose faces resemble some ancient stone carvings of ordinary Syrians.
No need to invent a new word for non-Jews, the Bible has given us a good old word Gentiles (from the Jewish word Goyim, “the Nations”, via Greek “Ethnos” and Latin “Gentes”). Some Arabs are Jews as you pointed out, but most Arabs are Gentiles, as are 99% of all people.
As if it isn’t bad enough that we have fake reports of “anti-Semitic attacks,” this page seems to have gathered a small crowd of people who push anti-Semitic rhetoric, some times even pro-Hitler sympathies. One is tempted to think that the Mossad has operatives working to create such a presence, which could then be used to push claims that this page promotes anti-Semitic ideas, but i know the Mossad would never do that. 🙂
I do not think it is a CIA/MI6 false flag op. There is of course the usual Zionazi cry of “anti-Semitism” being raised to divert attention from Israel’s latest crime against Palestinians. But I detect also some classical, pre-War anti-Jewish prejudice coming back, in the increasingly favourable climate created by and increasingly wide popular revulsion against Israel’s serial misdeeds at home and abroad. I have been warning my Israeli relatives and friends for years that such creatures would come creeping back from under their stones.
I see it too, Nick. Being in my ninth decade, I have a lot of cultural memory to which I can refer. And zionistan’s crimes against humanity do seem to be re-respectablising – in the eyes of too many – a return to the casual blanket anti-semitism that I remember to be common in the middle years of the 20th century. Amongst hearers known to be tolerant of it, shallow, unthinking jew-blaming is becoming a bit of sly fun again.
If you think this page is bad you should see what we trashed! One commenter even said he wanted Jewish people to be gassed. Not sure if they are shills or genuine nutcases.
they also use different IDs and VPNs to mass-upvote and downvote. But we think it’s actually no more than five or six active lunatics/disrupters.
I suspect shills. This is what the propagandists want – and by propagandists, I don’t mean Jews or even Zionists. The rulers have always known that their most potent weapon is divide-and-rule. And they will use whatever works (some of which they may have manufactured themselves). As I keep saying, there is no bigger Pavlovian button than the Holocaust/Nazi configuration. I also think that it is such a pragmatic use of imagery that is behind all this kerfuffle about “Holocaust denial” (whatever the truth might be – and since when did the rulers ever give a damn about the truth?) i.e. I think that the introduction of this specific “denial” term wasn’t fuelled by anger at the “deniers” but by an attempt to keep the Holocaust in the public consciousness. The rulers don’t care if people “deny” the Holocaust, as long as they keep talking about it. (And of course,… Read more »
‘ there is no bigger Pavlovian button than the Holocaust/Nazi configuration.’
Covid 19 is catching up fast. An unproveable phenomenon appears, is widely believed and then the new villian, ‘the Covid-denier’ is pushed to the fore.
Denier has entered the lexicon in ways never imagined. Such a useful word for any fascist system.
As with the nasty anti Semitic emails sent to Dame Margaret Hodge MP , that were used to undermine Jeremy Corbyn , the culprits are never apprehended for some reason.
I’d say there are more than 5 or 6 involved. More like 8200 in my opinion.
Just who does it serve? That is the question for anti Semitic emails.
A few weeks ago, one comment here exalted Hitler, said his time was the most glorious time for the German people, and anyone who says otherwise just believes propaganda. He didn’t react well to my response referencing the close cooperation between the Nazi regime and multinational capital right through the war.
Do not underestimate the power and reach of the Tel Aviv ‘bunkers’ where people, often students out to earn some money, work hard to push the belief in anti-semitism. Moderators need to be aware but not knee-jerk, and such trash comments certainly make them aware, if not fearful of retribution and so, perhaps, they become more kneejerk and more censorious. The Zionist agenda is to create fear in Jews around the world in a bid to encourage them to become colonists in Palestine. Well, the Zionists don’t call it Palestine but use euphemisms like the West Bank, where it seems more like an outer suburb in Israel, rather than a land which belongs to others. Quite what the Zionists think they can do with the millions of people who remain in Occupied Palestine in order to make way for millions more Jews is the question; but to replace them is… Read more »
Irony?
I thought it was obvious!
The world is sick.
Welcome to the New Normal, a never-ending shit show of pseudo-events and simulacra, the Spectacle now one big web of Orwellian universal deceit. Today’s ‘news’ flashed in front of me a ‘report’ of mysterious brain and neurological disabilities in New Brunswick, Canada (part of Oceania). No one could really fathom what could be the cause, but the (ludicrous) idea of it being related to covid (non)vaccines was easily dismissed by the chronology of this strange, new disease being pre-covid (even though it was just now gaining Big Brother’s attention). However, suspicion that foul play from a Russian or Chinese bioweapon was not dismissed (hey, maybe it’s from Wuhan!).
No surprises here.
Let’s see, who controls the U.S. Congress? We the People? Ha.
“Congress should hold additional hearings on the increase in hate crimes, the rise of extremist groups and proliferation of their propaganda, and support legislation, including the Domestic Terrorism Prevention Act, that calls on the federal government to improve coordinated responses and collect data on domestic terrorism.”
Antisemitic Incidents Hit All-Time High in 2019 | Anti-Defamation League (adl.org)
Text – H.R.350 – 117th Congress (2021-2022): Domestic Terrorism Prevention Act of 2021 | Congress.gov | Library of Congress
https://www.kxan.com/news/texas/gov-abbott-announces-intent-to-create-anti-semitism-commission-during-holocaust-remembrance-day-at-state-capitol/
Abbott said he also plans to adopt the international definition of Anti-Semitism into state law during the next legislative session.
Into “state law”. Wonder what that means since the international definition is about holocaust denial and/or “distortion”. Is it going to be against the law to say anything contrary to the official state version of the holocaust? And why now when Israel is committing (more) genocidal war crimes? Never ending bullshit.
Jews who died, alongside tens of millions of non-Jews at the hands of the Germans must be spinning in their graves, rocks and all, at what Israel does in their name.
Well, whoever died during that period, it wasn’t all on the Germans.
It sure wasn’t and another taboo seems to be the slaughter of between 6-9 million German mainly women, kids and old people in concentration camps between 1945-49, people left to starve to death or die of thirst within sight of water and anyone who took food or water was shot. This carnage only stopped after about 16 million other German citizens from all over the EU had been ethnically cleansed back to Berlin. And before Sophie intervenes, there are books written with all the evidence anyone would ever need that this is a fact.
‘Hellstorm’ The Death of Nazi Germany, 1944-1947. Thomas Goodrich. 2010.
This is accompanied by a video of the same name. Neither book or vid are easily digestible. A useful primer on some truths about WW2. ps not for the squeamish or tender minded!
Have read Jacques Baches book, and After the Reich, one thing the nazis and Russians did was keep impeccable records of the torture and so did the Allies. Russian troops alone raped about quarter of a million women and girls from 8-90 until they died, The pictures of diabolically starved children in Berlin in the British quarter were gag material.
A forgotten holocaust. One of many.
Russian, Bolshevik, Zionist, Jews. I personally believe in complete and accurate naming and disclosure.
Trotsky, Lenin, Marx, Stalin – all would tell you themselves that “Communism IS Judea”. Period.
Of course not. But the Germans/Nazis have been made the target as part of a campaign to ‘justify’ the colonisation of Palestine by European Jews.
Point taken, but let’s not go so far as to automatically dismiss any and all claims of anti-Semitic violence as being bogus. Those of us who support the Palestinian cause based on universal humanitarian values must also oppose anti-Semitism.
The phrase anti semite was invented in 1880 by a racist German who did not understand that Arabs are semites, in fact the largest group of semite on earth. Why on earth are people still claiming the rightful criticism of Israeli mass murders and ongoing ethnic cleansing of Palestine has anything to do with anything at all called anti semitism, a meaningless phrase in any context. Semite a member of any of the peoples who speak or spoke a Semitic language, including in particular the Jews and Arabs. Now let’s unpack that Jews and Arabs. Arabs are an ethnic grouping, Jews are of any ethnicity on the planet but follow are particular religion, the two have no place being thought of as two distinct sets of people when talking about languages. When we look at the meaning of the term anti semite under the definition above it literally means hating… Read more »
Yes, important points. Jews are followers of a religion, lapsed or not. Just like any other religion. Anti-semitic is meant to mean hatred of followers of Judaism. Although most Jews have no semitic ancestry while many Muslims do. Such is the way of it as religions evolve and intermix. The lingering connections are with Jews who inbreed, but that is a DNA link and not a cultural link. It is also a DNA link found in many other religions and not particular to Jews. Arabs are part of a cultural group, generally Arabic speakers, just as Africans are part of a cultural group, despite diversity of language. Jews, like most religions, comprise all (now scientifically defunct) definitions of race and hundreds of nationalities along with thousands of cultures. The common bond is the religion. Arabs are held together, by language and culture although anyone spending time in Israel cannot but… Read more »
The suggestion is not to automatically dismiss all claims of prejudice toward Jews, but to demand they are proven.
“Semitic” denote arab and hebrew speaking cultures from the middle east ? Based on the last millennium Anti Semitic violence there is not a myth ! Whereas Covid most certainly is a new myth . Attempts to link the 2 makes this article simply more of the “poor Palestinians” jargon. With the “great reset” now in progress an issue much less in the media thank goodness.
The Israeli Hebrew-speaking culture is barely 74 years old. The Arab-speaking culture is thousands of years old.
Yes, Hebrew was retained in a religious sense, but it is only a religious culture as applies to Latin in Christianity. Yiddish, basically a German dialect, was spoken by most Jews until the Zionists decided to re-instate Hebrew as part of their plan to pretend followers of the religion were a people and had rights to a homeland.
As to poor Palestinians, without the parentheses, in the same way we said poor French and poor Poles when they were invaded and occupied, so we say, poor Palestinians, crushed for much longer under Israel’s murderous colonial military boot.
You read Shlomo Sand’s Who Invented the Jews, didn’t you?
In a slight variation of a popular song:
“How long – will this be going on?”
Zappa seemed to have it sorted – after writing “ Jewish Princess” and getting into some form of trouble, he wrote “ Catholic Girls” and everyone seemed satisfied from what I can remember!
There are few people I miss as much as Frank Zappa. He wanted to run for presidency at one point? Reason for his untimely death?
Fully agree – he took on lots of sacred cows in a witty but fairly brutal way – even if he was the son of a military family or whatever – as someone knowledgeable pointed out on this site some time ago.
Really miss him too nto1!
some imbecile once sagely pronounced..
…“An anti-Semite used to mean a man who hated Jews. Now it means a man who is hated by Jews.”…
Sadly, the variety I exclusively encounter is the former (a small but persistent minority I might add). A2
I had a friend from the southern US half Jewish, that said they generally kept that hidden. It was certainly an issue.
It was a very religious area; him claiming they were the source. This despite wide support for Israel.
I can’t quite square that.
There is real discrimination and there is imagined, expected, required and fabricated discrimination on many counts these days, including by followers of Judaism. The concept of remaining a victim and in need of ‘special treatment’ is part of the Zionist raison d’etre, and has always been critical to the fantasy that Jews, followers of the religion of Judaism, had a right and a need for their own State. Despite the fact most Jews did not, do not and will never live in UN Mandated Israel and are in fact, safer in the dozens of different countries around the world where they do live, instead of in the Israeli colony in Palestine. And despite the fact that religions do not get self-determination, homelands or land rights. If Jews had such a right then followers of all religions would have the same right. They do not. The Zionists invented the fantasy of… Read more »
Tx. That was a carefully considered response. I’m Canadian, grew up in a closet atheist home in Winnipeg in the 60’s. I’ve lived in all over in Vancouver, the Sunshine coast, Calgary and now Vancouver Island. I would say that we have our share of bigots here in all ethnicities and they each have their err… focus. But generally, people in Canada couldn’t care less what you religion is and really would rather not hear about. Ethnic self segregation is very normal. It can cause friction and does at times. It might influence hiring decisions sometimes and to a lesser degree who folks do business with. Overall it’s not a big deal here. We all get along. For example, at 8 my friend tells me he’s Jewish at some point. I have no idea what he is even talking about and ask my Mom. She says “that just means he… Read more »
People cannot be half Jewish, judaism is a religion not a genetic group.
I understand. I am using their words, not my own. He is non-practicing and highly critical of Israel but found Southern Evangelicals frightening in their bigoted tribalism.
I assume one parent was nominally Jewish. Himself, he was disabled and very into antifascism and antiwar views.
He was referring to a parent. I don’t know what he would make of that. It’s policing his speech.
Maybe I should qualify that I am aware of that but there’s a cultural element? I was quoting his self-described rather toxic situation.
You are Jewish or you are not Jewish. You can be a lapsed Jew like a lapsed Catholic but you cannot be half a Jew or half a Christian.
I wish that this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gB9BOEdLbAw brilliant and concise explanation of Israele – Palestina was available in English. It was made 6 years ago has over a million view (some 400,000 in the last few months). It is a disinterested and artless overview of the ongoing conflict. I bring it up because at the conclusion the narrator cautions us about the use of the term anti-Semitism, since Palestinians are themselves Semitic People. This reality adds another dynamic the the discussion of the use of the term anti-Semitism.
Good for those who speak Italian. The reality is the history is irrelevant. The only issue which exists is the reality that the indigenous people of Palestine, some 6 million of them, have been crushed under Israeli military colonial rule for 74 years and are denied all reparation, compensation, recognition and human and civil rights.
The religious and real history of the region matters not a whit, and certainly not to younger generations who don’t care what happened 74 years ago, let alone 2,000 years. And since most people in the world are not fundamentalist Jews or Christians, they care even less.
Short hair on women. Another bankster imposition. I lost count of the number of men I saw this morning on an outing that sported effeminate hair buns.
my Goodness what an ignorant comment. Long hair – and buns – have been symbols of masculinity in different cultures for millennia.
Try to be less parochial.
I do enjoy that the little gang of racists in the comments here are so obviously sexually insecure aging white guys. 🤣
Oh dear, what a sad little man.
I will refrain from speculating on your shape and your state of mind in retaliation. Androgyny is something that is promoted by the banksters. This has reached grotesque levels presently but the promotion started with the Marxist promotion of the switching of hairstyles between the sexes. Rock stars institutionalised this in the sixties. Remember that a majority of musicians visit the apartheid state and are now promoting the deadly injections. We ought to have the freedom to express our opinions on cultural offensives promoted by the banking cartels and their media.
So when Viking raiders braided their long locks – were they “switching hairstyles between the sexes”? Being effeminate?
how about a contemporary guy with a man bun and full beard?
You forgot pedophilia – another favorite pastime and agenda of the “banksters” as you call them…straight out of the Talmud. Personalty, I prefer to call them by their actual name – Jews. 60 PLUS million murdered by these deranged, parasitic, Bolshevik/Zionist reptiles between 1917 and 1958 in their various holodomors, gulags and other manufactured genocides. Consider the perhaps 10 million Africans who perished in the transatlantic slave trade in Jewish owned ships and subsequently sold by the Jewish auctioneers who ran that industry as well – so much so that the auctions closed down on Saturdays for their sabbath. Or consider the millions who perished in your “banksters” manufactured market “crash” in 1929. Or what about the hundreds of millions, perhaps BILLIONS who will die at their hands as a result of their manufactured “pandemic” and concomitant NWO enslavement of the entire planet…But I digress – all of this deranged… Read more »
Hair buns as a solely feminine practice is historically recent. Males in history have worn hair buns, makeup, high heels and dresses. It is all just fashion or fad.
What’s the secret of a good jo-timing-ke.
It’s always the giveaway, even more than ‘follow the money’.
The timing of the accusations is a clue to their being staged. The show must go on and The Producers are on hand to ensure that it does.
“Springtime, da dum-dum, da di-da-di…”
Time is grim for all. There are no prior calls or dibs on grievance in this era
Even if you go looking for it
I worry 80% of people under 40 won’t get the joke — that they don’t see how humour is a valid tool to deflate unjustified presumption of power.
The Producers could never be made today. That is why po- faced liars are getting away with false accusations of victimhood!
People share homogenised memes but have no idea of the absurdist anarchy of Mel Brooks or who he was and would hiss and twitter if they did.
We must weaponize humour and keep it alive. Don’t be shy. Tear off your masks and kick your heels high!
Share your guffaws, your spittle — droplets as the disgusting Anthony Fauci calls them — and be proud and liberal with your bodily fluids.
Apologies to Mr Brooks, a sprightly 94, for skimping on the tense.
The Producers could never be made today. And the times they are a’changin’ so fast now that the pedantic and now psychotic terror of offending anyone is applying to more and more recent programmes. There is the Father Ted mickey take of racism via the Chinese episode. That it may cause offense to anyone at all was something that never crossed my mind. If it had, it may have struck me that the two local Nazi aficionados might be nearer the bone. But then – and this is the whole point – that episode took the piss out of racism itself! (Incidentally, how long till someone cottons on to the fact that Father Jack is a comic alcoholic and starts up a petition to ban the show for being offensive to recovering alkies?) And I’m currently just catching up on Peaky Blinders where there’s a gay guy who is, thankfully,… Read more »
My Miéville quote should have been “sexual dissidents from the queer hinterland”. Which makes the following comments more sensible.
On the now defunct site I used to post on the N world could be freely used and was in the most offensive manner. However the K world was instantly replaced with four x’s. A rather frank Marxist acknowledgement of the hierarchy of the races.
I was wondering what you meant by the “K” word and then I realised you (presumably) mean the one that rhymes with “bikes”? Yes, mind management is a fascinating topic. The Left have definitely been moulded to fit a certain requirement i.e. the notion that all prejudices are bad, but anti-Semitism is always singled out as some kind of extra special prejudice, occurring on a much more demoniacal level. (And how revoltingly ironic it is that various propagandists always claim that anti-Semitism is the one prejudice that is being overlooked!) I recall remarking to one Marxist blogger that all sorts of historical documents are just waiting to be exploited as examples of anti-Semitism – when they are not e.g. Marx’s own “On The Jewish Question”. And, instead of taking on my point, this blogger flew into a tirade about how Marx himself would have been carted off to Auschwitz! Thus… Read more »
“Why are the Left so dumb when it comes to psychological manipulation?” I’d say it’s a manifestation of the the deepest of control issues – either really real, as with poor, poor enslaved women, or inserted into the glaring space where their critical brain once resided…relentlessly…from birth. At least that is a possible explanation to me as to why the indoctrination “takes’ with some and not with others. It’s certainly passed on generationally as well – I grew up in ultra liberal Greenwich Village in the 1960s surrounded by their narratives at every turn, but was saved, I know, by free thinking, individuality promoting parents. Once you are in that sway of that programming, it’s next to impossible to escape. Hammered down relentlessly in Marxist rags like the NYT, it’s why seemingly very intelligent leftists suffer from egregiously lazy thinking – ex: the times is simply awash in headlines such… Read more »
One of the funniest movies ever made. And so foreboding.
Speaking of timing reminds me of ‘My Favorite Year’ where one of the actors explains how to tell a joke: First rule: never tell a joke sitting down. You have to be on your feet – and use your hands: “This guy walks into a Psychiatrist’s office. He has a duck on his head. The Psychiatrist says, “Can I help you?” (Timing: pregnant pause) And the duck says, “Yeah, can you get this guy off my ass?”
I must have a perverse sense of humor. The joke was funnier to me before the punch line. A guy with a duck on his head – and the first words out of the psychiatrist’s mouth is “Can I help you?” That, I would call deadpan.
I’ve got one for you.
Hitler Orders a Pizza
Oh man, that is hilarious. That guy should get an academy award.
“Speaking of which say hello to Adolf’s nutjob kid brother Benny.”
https://twitter.com/suealan07/status/500471039306915841/photo/1
“Both seem to have a penchant for invading places and mass murdering the hoi polloi.”
“How to Make Friends and Influence People”, by Dale Carnegie.
Some people skip straight to the second part.
I mean seriously – considering the absolute monotonous repetition of a miniscule rhetorical space and subject matter all across every slimy tentacle of the media and with the tie-ins between the virus and anti-Semitism and all this happening well in advance i.e. even from last spring, by this point, anyone who doesn’t suspect a conspiracy must be totally brain dead!
And lets not forget Pfizer is an Israeli company and most of the other Pharmaceutical companies are majority owned by Investment Banks of a certain religious origin, such as Black Rock, but ignore the clear pattern otherwise our media will label you an “antisemite”
Interesting to see the expressions “spike” and “surge” in the above picture. Are we tying into the viral propaganda here: echoes between covid and anti-Semitism? If I start reading about a “tsunami” of anti-Semitism then I think it’s case closed.
Spoke too soon:
https://www.haaretz.com/us-news/.premium-coronavirus-crisis-unleashed-tsunami-of-anti-semitism-trump-official-says-1.8820596
And this was last year! Gosh they were well trained!
Lol. I thought of that immediately. How ironic it was.
Same Con-spirators calling up the same PR firm?
In the end it’s all about Pavlovian buttons and nothing else. Whatever the truth of the matter (and it’s interesting that the moment you even start asking questions about it, you get jumped on), the Holocaust /Jews /Nazis configuration comprises the most fundamental political crime scenario in Western consciousness – and indeed the Ultimate Evil of All Time! So there are the buttons just waiting to be pressed: the Jews, the Nazis, the Holocaust, Anti-Semitism, strangely ever inexplicable “hate”, barbed wire, vicious dogs patrolling, chimneys belching etc. The rulers and their media could not give a flying fuck about truth or fairness or investigation or critique. All they want to do is activate these buttons. Push push push! But they are slipping now. It has been over 70 years since the events in question happened (and you can take that “in question” in more ways than one). The more time… Read more »
I appreciate your effort to keep this comment neutral and objective and not linking your hints at ‘questions’ with some broader tapestry of ethnic conspiracy. Given the way Nazis persecuted innocent people from ethnic and cultural minorities, it is utterly hateful when commenters seek to downplay this using diversion tactics, alleging ‘this’ or ‘that’ is false and therefore that the nazis weren’t that bad really. Or, worse still, suggesting the Nazis actions were somehow justified. No other way of looking at it other than disseminating hate. Which breaks our Comment Policy. We have a duty to be scholars and historians, to be dispassionate and disciplined in the way we research and recount the past. Not use it as a means to ‘out the joos’ at every goddam available opportunity. XD A2
I am fully aware of the emotive powder keg of this topic and of how that very aspect is a tool for propaganda. The moment you take a critical stance, there are those eager to jump on you for being a “denier” meanwhile others are happy to take your hints and distort and inflate them into a full blown genuine anti-Semitic conspiracy theory – this latter serving as a kind of intellectual agent provocateur move. I never thought of “ethnic conspiracy” (the result of the aforementioned agent provocateur move). But I am aware that certain political groupings are willing to shamelessly play tricks with history to achieve their ends. My basic suspicion – and I am only tentatively suggesting this – is that the whole matter of Nazi atrocities has been ceaselessly trumpeted and (dare I say) embroidered to bolster political ends – mainly on behalf of the then newly… Read more »
See A.R. Butz. Associate Professor of Electrical Engineering and Computer Sciences. Wrote ‘The Hoax of the 20th Century’. 1976 HR Press. ‘Enhanced‘ is on the path, yes.
Norman Finkelstein nails it when he speaks of the weaponisation/politicisation of the nazi genocide, calling its modern re-invention as a continual excuse and fig-leaf for the genocidal crimes of zionistan-in-Palestine ‘The Holocaust Industry’.
There is no doubt that Nazi Germany was responsible for great horrors. But was it the worst in human history? Probably not. The Germans were not the first, not the last and not the worst in terms of inflicting experiences of holocaust on countless millions. Stalinism killed 60 million, give or take and the Chinese Cultural Revolution and Pol Pot in Cambodia make for truly horrific reading. As does the Japanese occupation of China. The problem with singling out Hitler and the Nazis is that it distracts humans from their own capacity for evil and the problem with elevating one experience of holocaust, that of followers of Judaism, to superior level, denies the equal suffering of others. Is an experience of holocaust suffered in the name of one’s religion, i.e. Judaism, greater than an experience of holocaust suffered in the name of one’s ‘race,’ culture, nation? Of course not. All… Read more »
There was the American holocaust, the Late Victorian Holocausts, the African holocaust and many others.
[….it is utterly hateful when commenters seek to downplay this using diversion tactics…] I would appreciate if you were willing to indicate, for all readers to see, exactly where (line and verse) the earlier commenter “downplayed” the “way Nazis persecuted innocent people from ethnic and cultural minorities.” By the way: the first large-scale use of “concentration camps” were by the British during the Boer War. I suggest you go and compare those atrocities by the British (in relative scale against the local white and black people at that time) and see how the odds relate to the Germans actions. I mention that and others just in case you would like to respond that the German WWII atrocities was “indeed the Ultimate Evil of All Time!“, and saying anything less is “downplaying.” Ultimate is an almost unachievable claim. Some other examples: Have you any idea at what scale Genghis Khan (and his… Read more »
I agree. The word “hate” is being thrown around willy nilly these days to attack anyone with an opposing point of view. I would “hate” to withdraw my support of this site, but I notice today that my comments aren’t being posted.
When we say ‘hate’ we are referring to those who dislike or fear or want to punish or persecute a group of people based on their race or religion.
For example, a person who believes all Jews are somehow to be blamed for the crimes Israel commits and who wants to see the Jewish people ‘pay’ in unspecified ways – we would define that as ‘hate’.
Or a person who wants to see the Jewish elites ‘investigated’, but is apparently fine with non-Jewish elites – we would call that racist.
would you disagree?
and every comment you have made today HAS been posted.
You’re welcome.
Oh, I agree that ALL the elites should be investigated, absolutely. I was actually referring to the phenomenon of “hate speech” which has become so prevalent, where any criticism of a “person of color” is branded as racist.
And I still haven’t seen the innocuous comment I made about Palestinians being Semitic people in response to a comment by Tim Drayton at about 7pm. Maybe it’s a glitch because I received an email that someone had replied to it.
You mistakenly think I was criticising the above commenter, whereas if you reread you’ll notice I was doing no such thing. OK, you aren’t a moderator so perhaps you aren’t familiar with the actual hateful comments I refer to, made by a small minority. Maybe I was too oblique. However, they certainly know who they are. These are just nasty, petty, racist haters who insinuate themselves into discussions and steer topics in bigoted directions, ensnaring innocent contributors along the way. They also use multiple VPN upvotes/downvotes to create the illusion of support, with comical promptness and predictability. I put it to you that you wouldn’t enjoy posting here alongside this. ‘Free expression’ would be all but impossible. It could be that trollers are finding themselves frustrated lately. Since our moderating team does such a good job, they don’t cause half as much nuisance as they used to. So, as much… Read more »
Speaking of which, the nazis had some stiff competition, not least Churchill’s contribution to creating the Bengal famine during WW2, which was quite a wilful holocaust in its own right; but by no means the only one. If you study Dr. Gideon Polya’s reckoning up of all the historic genocides/holocausts, you begin to realise that the nazis, vile sods though they were, were just following an ancient tradition; and they didn’t exactly lead the field, either. And then, of course, there’s the genocide-level holocaust of deaths visited on the oil-lands of the ME just recently by the Anglozionist empire – post WW2. With well over a million in Iraq alone, the total – if we ever get to uncover it clearly – must be pushing six million by now, maybe more… BTW, mine is one of the upvotes for Sam-admin’s carefully-judicious comment just above. Idiotically-racist hostility, insult and actual violence… Read more »
No need to go back as far as Bengal. Look at what the Allies (including Russians) did to the Germans and Japs during and after WW2. And the reparations the Germans are still paying.
When a topic is censored, as the Jewish experience of Holocaust is, the only logical conclusion is that there must be information available which questions if not negates the running narrative. I mean, what a plus if they could prove that 6.5 million died, or even 7 million? The problem of course is if the figure was not just lower but dramatically lower. There is no doubt that followers of Judaism died at the hands of the Nazis, alongside tens of millions of others who died, not for their religions, but for their race, culture, politics, sexual proclivity and plain old fashioned bad luck. Does it really matter if less than 6 million died? Does it really matter how they died, i.e. poor living conditions and the same brutality everyone else suffered? It does to the Zionists who have made it critical to their ‘argument’ for the right of Jews… Read more »
All facts are sacrosanct, but some facts are more sacrosanct than others. And some are not sacrosanct at all.
Thanks Michael valid points
i very much doubt we would ever see in the media a ‘Israel variant’
But Indian, Kent which is near Dover, South Africa and Brazil seem to be okey
Yep, see the zionist instant response unit (below) on the job. Note: there is no measured response to the article – how can there be a response to mass murder? – just smart Alec quips from smug little smart-arses. The only good arab is a dear arab – Right!
that’s dead arab.
“Zionism (which is racist and wrong) is not Judaism. Never was, never will be. The Zionazi Death KKKult essentially is a War Racketeer Langley-Land operation. The asshole thugs from Borough Park, Williamsburg, and other parts of Brooklyn, Queens and the greater NYC metro area have much in common with the asshole thugs in white sheets who burn crosses on peoples’ lawns.”
https://electronicintifada.net/
[“Zionazi Death KKKult” “War Racketeer Langley-Land” “asshole thugs“]
The schoolyard name-calling is strong in this one. Oh my.
“…pettiness plays so rough…”
Ahh. A fan of Jeremy Corbin, I see.
Bravo sir, well played. =)
Er – that’s Corbyn, Mike. Your spelling’s as shit as your logic.
And who first mentioned JC anyway? Oh well at least “Mishko” is impressed!
The spell-checker – IE me – got it wrong, for that I apologize, although it seems everybody knew who I meant.
I can’t stand Jew-hatred, wherever it pops up. I don’t expect to be liked for calling out this piece. Being liked is for wimps.
Can’t disagree with any of that Mike. But whereTF is the Corbyn connection? He doesn’t like anti-semitism either.
The author of this article is Jewish and proud to be so.
Who’s Jeremy Corbin?
I thought it might have been a Corbijn, as in Anton Johannes Gerrit Corbijn van Willenswaard… but I realize I was in the wrong Mode.
Are you referring to the Jeremy Corbyn who, inter alia, organised and took part in the April 1977 defence of Jewish populated Wood Green from a Neo-Nazi march?
Fifty times Jeremy Corbyn stood with Jewish people
https://skwawkbox.org/2019/07/09/fifty-times-jeremy-corbyn-stood-with-jewish-people/
I’ve seen his other stuff. You wonder why Labour went down in flames?
I know Johnson wrote a novel, Seventy-Two Virgins, containing the claim the media are run by Jewish oligarchs, without stirring up a hornet’s nest. Wonder why that was?
More deliberate provocation. The smears against Corbyn were the lowest point for the British media and the worst case of a totally manufactured non-story – at least until covid.
Once again, Mike: WTF are you talking about? Didn’t you notice how the Labour party ballooned to the biggest mass-membership party in Europe during his leadership? That big mass – which represents an even bigger mass of people in the Brit electorate – flocked to him in hope, because of the policies he helped to get into the 2017 G£ Labour manifesto; which would quite probably have got him the premiership because of the hope it gave to so many Brits, but for the orchestrated vile torrent of – quite knowingly – false accusations of anti-semitism, which he was too mild to throw back into the faces of his accusers, as he should have.
Sorry: GE!
Didn’t care for his policies, either. If government acts like Santa to some, it has to act like an armed bandit to the rest.
Why are we discussing my tailor?