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Drinking Coffee in the Early Morning Rain and Thinking of Donald Rumsfeld

Edward Curtin

It’s been raining incessantly for three days. It is a cool early morning in the beginning of July and I have just made a cup of coffee. Now an electrical power outage has occurred and so I am sitting in a rocking chair in the semi-darkness savoring my coffee and feeling thankful that I made it in time.

I have a close relationship with coffee and the end of night and the break of day. As for time, that is as mysterious to me as the fact that I am sitting here in its embrace. The electric clocks have stopped. I think: To exist – how amazing!

More than the coffee, however, I am luxuriating in the sound of the tumbling rain. Its beautiful music creates a cocoon of peace within which I find temporary joy.  The joy of doing nothing, of pursuing no purpose. Of knowing that whatever I do it will never be enough, for me or anyone, and the world will continue turning until time stands still, or whatever time does or is according to those who invented it.

I will be gone and others will have arrived and the water will flow from the skies and the clocks will still tell people what they don’t know – time – although they will continue to tell it.

Humans are the telling animals.

A few weeks ago, when this area was in a mini-drought, the local newspaper, in the typical wisdom of such cant, had a headline that said “there is a threat of rain later this week.”  They are experts at threats. This is the corporate media’s purpose.

Rain is a threat, joy is a threat, doing nothing is a threat, the sun is a threat – but the real threats they conceal.  To create fear seems to be their purpose, as they do not tell us about the real threats.  Their purpose is not to tell the truth, but if you listen closely you can hear it.

In the middle of the night I woke up to go to the bathroom, and outside the small bathroom window I watched the rain engulfing the lower roof and sluicing down the shingles in two heavy streams.  I thought how the desiccated mind of the headline writer must be feeling now, but then I realized that he or she was asleep, as usual.  There is a moist world and a dry one, and the corporate media is run by arid souls who would like to make the world a desert like their masters of war in Washington.

Then as I sit here my brief peace is roiled by the memory of reading Tacitus, the Roman historian, and his famous quote of Calgacus, an enemy of Rome:

These plunderers of the world [the Romans], after exhausting the land by their devastations, are rifling the ocean: stimulated by avarice, if their enemy be rich; by ambition, if poor; unsatiated by the East and by the West: the only people who behold wealth and indigence with equal avidity. To ravage, to slaughter, to usurp under false titles, they call empire; and where they make a desert, they call it peace.

I think of former Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld on his recent deathbed. Here was a man whose entire life was dedicated to the American Empire.  He spent all his allotted time making war or making money from the spoils of war. He was a desert maker, a slaughterer for the Empire.  No doubt he died very rich in gold.

I can no longer hear the rain because my mind is filled with the loud thought of what Rumsfeld thought as he lay dying.

Was he sorry?  Did he believe in God or was his god Mars, the Roman god of war?   Did he smile a bloody smile or say he was sorry and beg for forgiveness from all his innocent victims?  Did he see the faces of the children of Iraq that he slaughtered?  Or did he pull an Eichmann and say, “I will leap into my grave laughing”?

Your guess is as good as mine, but mine leans toward the bloody smile of a life well spent in desert making.  But that is a “known unknown.”

Rolling thunder and a lightning strike in the east jolt me back from my deaf dark thoughts.  The sound of the rain returns.  The coffee tastes great.  Peace returns with the unalloyed gift of the ravishing rain.

Yet the more I sit and listen and watch it soundly stipple the garden and grass, the more thoughts come to me, as my father once told me: Thoughts think us as much as we think thoughts.  It’s what we do with our thoughts that count, he said, and like lightning, if we don’t flash when we are given the gift of life, when we’re gone, it will be as if we never were, like the lightning before it flashed.

Thomas Merton’s prophetic words from his hermitage in the Kentucky woods in 1966 think me:

Let me say this before rain becomes a utility that they can plan and distribute for money. By ‘they’ I mean the people who cannot understand that rain is a festival, who do not appreciate its gratuity, who think that what has no price has no value, that what cannot be sold is not real, so that the only way to make something actual is to place it on the market. The time will come when they will sell you even your rain. At the moment it is still free, and I am in it. I celebrate its gratuity and its meaninglessness.

There are moments in many lives when, if one is lucky, they are initiated into a ritual that sustains them throughout life. To others, these experiences can easily seem paltry and meaningless, but to the receiver they offer a crack into deeper dimensions of being and becoming. 

For me it was my introduction to coffee during a hurricane.

My father had driven my mother, three of my sisters, and me to Jones Beach on Long Island. This was before people checked the weather every minute. The sky in the southwest grew darker as we drove, but on we went.  The beach was deserted except for some gulls and the parking lot empty.

My father parked the car close to the beach and while my sisters and mother sat in the car, and my mother, listening to the weather reports, issued warnings to us, my father and I ran like wild dogs into the heavy surf despite her admonitions that the hurricane from the south was arriving sooner than expected.

It started to rain hard. The surf picked up.  We swam and got battered and shouted exultantly and came out shaking with the chills. A pure white seagull landed on my wet head and my father laughed.

Awe-struck, I stood stock-still and my shaking stopped. In its mouth the seagull held a purple ribbon, which it dropped at my feet as it flew off.  I grabbed the ribbon and we jogged up to the concession building where there was one man working.  My father ordered coffee and a hot chocolate for me.  But they had run out of hot chocolate.  So my father ordered two coffees and filled mine with three or four sugars.

I had never sampled coffee and didn’t like the smell, but my father said to drink it, with the sugar it will taste good and it will warm you up.  It strangely tasted like hot chocolate. We toasted our adventure as I drank my Proustian madeleine at eleven years old.

I had put the ribbon on the counter as we drank. When we were going back to the car, I noticed there were words on the ribbon. They said: Rest in peace.  I have long lost the ribbon but retain its message.

So now every morning, between the end of night and the break of day, I sit with my coffee and listen. And even when it isn’t raining, I watch the birds emerge from their nightly rests to greet the day with their songs. They tell me many things, and they are all free.

This morning I am wondering if Donald Rumsfeld ever heard them.

I suspect their message was an “unknown unknown” for him, just like the gift of rain. He preferred the rain of death from the skies in the form of bombs and missiles. He was only doing his job.

He made a desert and called it peace.

Edward Curtin is an independent writer whose work has appeared widely over many years. His website is edwardcurtin.com and his new book is Seeking Truth in a Country of Lies.

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Francis
Francis
Jul 21, 2021 8:01 AM

Synchronocity.
On seeing this article, Rain and the Rhinoceros was my first feeling written by Thomas Merton, and low and behold half way down!
I have at least 50 books written by Fr Louis, the contemplative monk, poet and writer- his book New Seeds of Comtemplation was of seminal influence on my inner life; and his essay A Time of No Room in his book Raids on the Unspeakable caused my mind to crack hard against my skull. A modern version of God’s admonition to Lot to leave with his family the toxicity of Sodom and Gormorrah and not look back. But Lots wife did look back- the fear of freedom and the abyss.

strange
strange
Jul 14, 2021 7:13 AM

Good article with wonderful first four paragraphs. Thanks Edward!

Fast Eddy
Fast Eddy
Jul 13, 2021 11:39 PM
aspnaz
aspnaz
Jul 13, 2021 8:51 AM

The rain is indeed a beautiful thing. I have many happy memories of times in typhoons with family and friends. You “shocked” my memory and brought back those happy times.

Tamara
Tamara
Jul 13, 2021 9:36 AM
Reply to  aspnaz

“If you have nothing to say, say nothing. I say this to help you.”

-aspnaz

Tamara
Tamara
Jul 13, 2021 5:13 AM

Author speculates on the thoughts & feelings of someone he didn’t know. Evokes images of coffee and rain.

Sentimental drivel. Should play well here.

aspnaz
aspnaz
Jul 13, 2021 8:48 AM
Reply to  Tamara

If you have nothing to say, say nothing. I say this to help you.

Howard
Howard
Jul 15, 2021 3:00 AM
Reply to  Tamara

Coffee and rain fuel sentiment? I guess they do. Thoughts & feelings of a stranger evoke sentimentality? I suppose they can.

But they could also serve as a point of departure for a deeper consideration of human existence.

Mark Twain is often criticized for his overt sentimentality. One could also argue it was a cover for a very radical presentation of life.

Peter
Peter
Jul 13, 2021 12:53 AM

Coffee & Bird Diversity

How coffee plantations affect tropical bird biodiversity (nationalgeographic.com)

(Sadly you have to sign in to read the article).

banjocat
banjocat
Jul 12, 2021 9:02 PM

Well done. I really enjoyed this… spot on with Rumsfeld. Story telling is such a lost art… we need to recapture our language and express ourselves with this type of beauty and rhythm to counter the word spells of the soulless controllers – the locusts that devour this world and destroy all life.

The Coming Revolution
The Coming Revolution
Jul 12, 2021 8:52 PM

Thank you Mr. Curtin for this, I really enjoyed it. It is for all of that you describe that we must fight the darkness that is trying to engulf us, and if, God forbid, we lose, nature in its wisdom has an a answer for that too, for then, life becoming intolerable, to die fighting becomes a deliverance.

Malatok
Malatok
Jul 12, 2021 6:27 PM

Nice Jonathan Livingstone story… shame you had to resurrect the psychopathic ghoul of the unknown knowns to tell it…..I have more respect for Vlad the Impaler than that Pentacon filth that wallowed in the slaughter of the innocent. The list is long…Kissinger, Bush the lesser and his Dubya spawn that was even lesser….

Obomber, Clinton…Creepy Joe … ad nauseam. The sickness of the USSAN nightmare that will not be stopped until it is Hiroshimaed.

Pox Amerikana, like its Kill Bill gates of hell covaids wuflu, can no longer be tolerated.

rob2
rob2
Jul 12, 2021 4:14 PM

My goodness. I think this has to be one of the best essays I’ve read by Mr. Curtain. And that seagull! Remnds me of Jesus’s baptism. Very touching read. Thank you.

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Tesla Ozone Therapy works
Jul 12, 2021 2:16 PM

“There is a moist world and a dry one, and the corporate media is run by arid souls who would like to make the world a desert like their masters of war in Washington.”

Arid souls. I love that. The cracked, shriveled souls of eugenics and “end of history” ideologies see no reason or value in investing in life-enriching projects, only in devising ways to exacerbate humanity’s demise.

Water is the source of life on this water planet. We should all be grateful to those who recognize its gift to generate power, agriculture and simple pleasures.

How The Rivers Appeared In Libya Just Beneath The Sahara The Amazing Gaddafi Project

DonDon
DonDon
Jul 12, 2021 12:29 PM

That Calgacus quote wasn’t really from Calgacus at all.

It was just made up by Tacitus.

Tacitus was writing propaganda for his father-in-law, Agrippa.

Agrippa was campaigning in Caledonia.

The Romans got their arses ripped.

rubberheid
rubberheid
Jul 12, 2021 3:27 PM
Reply to  DonDon

you’re right up to a point: Calgacus’s words are indeed roman propaganda to glorify the success of the roman scum led by AGRICOLA over such wordy and insightful “barbarians”, indeed. But, the romans didn’t get their arses ripped, they ripped Pict arses instead.

Gezzah Potts
Gezzah Potts
Jul 12, 2021 11:39 AM

Really poetic and flowing peice Edward, minus the bits about Donald Rumsfeld of course. Somehow I greatly doubt he felt any remorse or regret in his dying breaths for his monstrous crimes. Do psychopaths feel remorse? No. And regards your love of coffee, I write this from one of the very best cities in the world for coffee, Melbourne, and have just made a fresh plunger of Ethiopian yirgacheffe, and so my small cabin is now enveloped in the aroma of freshly made coffee. And as most are also aware, Melbourne has also been home to some of the harshest lockdowns and covid measures in the world. Mandatory facemasks are still in place inside shops and on public transport. Melbourne, where most people are in a hypnotic trance regards the supposed pandemic (according to the ‘media’) and literally nothing you say can snap them out of it. I even had… Read more »

JohnEss
JohnEss
Jul 12, 2021 2:05 PM
Reply to  Gezzah Potts

one of the first things they said was they had had a negative test. Perhaps they said it to reassure me they were safe?”

No, Gezzah. I believe they were referring to their IQ score.

Gezzah Potts
Gezzah Potts
Jul 12, 2021 2:15 PM
Reply to  JohnEss

She was wearing a mask outside and was 6 feet from me when she said it, so I should be grateful she was thinking about my safety at the time… 🙃😜
Some days I wouldn’t mind a job cleaning toilets just so I don’t have to hear this crap literally every day.
No pun intended.

Fast Eddy
Fast Eddy
Jul 12, 2021 10:50 AM

How odd… when I search Tara McGowan Indonesia… other than the Covid-scare piece where she tells Aussies they need to get vaccinated…. I get a complete blank.

I am wondering if Tara McGowan is a fictional character….

JohnEss
JohnEss
Jul 12, 2021 2:24 PM
Reply to  Fast Eddy

She’s probably Mark McGowan’s wife/daughter/sister/niece/cousin, mate.

But if it’s on the ABC, then it’s definitely fiction.

Like the pommie BBC, the ABC should be dismantled and sent for scrap.

They are a disgrace to this country.

Fast Eddy
Fast Eddy
Jul 13, 2021 12:35 AM
Reply to  JohnEss

Could be Rose McGowan’s sister?

Fast Eddy
Fast Eddy
Jul 12, 2021 10:46 AM

Best Photo of the Day – PR Team Operation Covid

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-10/indonesia-stuck-overseas-helpless-covid-australians-delta/100270898

We like this photo because it implies that hospitals are overwhelmed to the point where people are being buried alive… this is a superb example of using a visual to instil fear.

“They’re removing dead bodies in trucks now because there are just so many, and they don’t have enough ambulances,” Ms McGowan said.

“They’re piling people in, it’s pretty gross.”

Hospitals are already beyond capacity and oxygen supplies are running out.

Reality Check – we operate a small charity school in central Java … and the teacher indicates that a few very old people have died from Covid recently … but there is no crisis… no ‘bodies piling up’

JohnEss
JohnEss
Jul 12, 2021 2:31 PM
Reply to  Fast Eddy

Great post, thank you. Good to hear the truth from someone on the ground.

“If Australians could see what is happening in Indonesia, [they] would be lining up to go get a vaccination, like ASAP,” she said.”

Have you noticed that we never get to see what she suggests we should see?

The only “frontline” images and videos I have seen during this whole shitfuckery have been such blatant fakes, only someone wearing a mask would believe they were real…

Fast Eddy
Fast Eddy
Jul 13, 2021 12:34 AM
Reply to  JohnEss

Remember the photos of the field hospital in Central Park NYC?

A medic working there claimed it was like a war zone — similar to when he was in Iraq… overwhelming….

All the photos were of empty beds and people standing around….

Then there was the military ship hospital… sitting in the harbour as a reminder of the horror… but empty… waiting in anticipation… always waiting … then it left…

And of course there is the Javits Centre… a stadium repurposed with hundreds of beds for the deluge of covid patients …

And how many were spent on Nightingale hospitals in the UK?

And still … the cattle do not sense the wolves…

See how easy it is to control the cattle? You can even show them that there are wolves about to enter the enclosure … but if the MSM tells them there are no wolves…they just continue grazing.

Peter Abraham
Peter Abraham
Jul 12, 2021 10:44 AM

I have kicked the coffee habit. Think of the environmental damage coffee plantations cause, the huge numbers of plant and animal species exterminated.

Fast Eddy
Fast Eddy
Jul 12, 2021 12:10 PM
Reply to  Peter Abraham

You’re kidding right?

Have you stopped eating too? Cuz farms cause enormous environmental damage…

JohnEss
JohnEss
Jul 12, 2021 2:32 PM
Reply to  Peter Abraham

Mate, you should get back on it. Your brain needs the oxygen…

Peter
Peter
Jul 12, 2021 11:32 PM
Reply to  JohnEss

Not much concern for the environment. Your muzzle restricts your oxygen flow.

Harry Rogers
Harry Rogers
Jul 12, 2021 8:50 AM

 What an entirely predictable race human beings are. Edwin Curtin says….USA ..Bad Rest of the World …Good. Donald Rumsfeld says USA…Good….Rest of the World Bad. Xi jingping says China…Good…Rest of the World bad. Add your own simple minded persons to the lists of hundreds and all their millions of sycophantic followers. Louis Celine serving in the First World War was totally correct about the human race. They just repeat and repeat the inanity of their actions. He couldn’t believe that he was the only sane one among millions who didn’t want to murder anyone. Never ever discuss the complexity of situations just keep feeding the usual chaff to Mr and Mrs Stupid and watch them get ready to hang the nearest objector. THEM BAD boss! US GOOD boss! Get’s them every time. Oh and how quickly it turns when THEM now GOOD boss…US now BAD boss required to confess to… Read more »

Howard
Howard
Jul 12, 2021 1:04 PM
Reply to  Harry Rogers

I believe you mis-characterize Mr Curtin’s position. I believe he evaluates actions people cause, not groupings of people.

On the larger note, however, I can only wish I had your optimistic view of humanity – because what you say, as far as I’m concerned, is much too kind.

Moonsphere
Moonsphere
Jul 12, 2021 7:48 AM

Each of us will go through a period of post death purification, where we expand into a “place” called Kamaloka in the East, Purgatory in the West. A part of this is simply a function of the loss of the physical body. Pleasures that we once enjoyed – such as good food no longer have an instrument to satisfy them. It takes time to let these desires fade. We shall also experience our effect for good or ill on the world. This provides us with a true picture of our worth. Whilst we live on Earth, it seems that the sun shines on both the evil and the good alike. The physical body is like a life jacket, but after death we find our true point of buoyancy. Our lower self, some call it the “Double” contracts into the subterranean realms. For the great evil-doers of world history this will… Read more »

Dawden
Dawden
Jul 18, 2021 7:57 PM
Reply to  Moonsphere

Yeah, so why was the Holy Bible inspired and preserved? So that we could all read a book filled with lies. Right. I’m going to put my faith in a Creator who cannot lie and revealed His love for us by dying on the cross for our sins. Then rose again to prove death cannot lay claim to righteousness. We are now made righteous by trusting in that operation of God.
And that same book gives a completely contrary revelation of what you just wrote above.
Let God be true and every man a liar…..Romans 3:4, AV1611 King James

Peter
Peter
Jul 12, 2021 7:47 AM

Kill Gates

The anger against Kill Gates has evaporated over time. Remember him saying normalcy only returns when all 7 billion are “vaccinated”. What evil. David Icke called it arrogance. Fast forward to the present and a large percentage have actually been coerced into accepting the poison. But no sign of normalcy.

aspnaz
aspnaz
Jul 13, 2021 10:23 AM
Reply to  Peter

Gates talks through Fauci, Bezos, Anal-Schwab et al. His arrogant excursion into the spotlight resulted in his divorce … my guess is that he is hiding under a rock somewhere planning how to get his own back on all the normal people who hate him and think he’s a pedo.

Paul
Paul
Jul 14, 2021 11:49 PM
Reply to  aspnaz

Having Gates promote the fake vaccine was causing vaccine hesitancy.

He has been moved out of the limelight for the time being.

The focus now is on the fake data they have literally pulled out of nowhere about how many lives it has supposed to have saved.

Tike
Tike
Jul 12, 2021 6:45 AM

When I hear the name Rumsfeld, I think of aspartame first, then 9/11 and Iraq and all the neocon shenanigans and war crimes he was involved in. How Donald Rumsfeld Got Toxic Aspartame Approved https://newspunch.com/how-donald-rumsfeld-got-toxic-aspartame-approved/ Most people have heard of aspartame the toxic chemical sweetener which is now used in thousands of food products, drinks and medicines worldwide.It just so happens that it is also one of the most dangerous food additives today.Were you aware that Aspartame was banned by the FDA twice? So how is this product legal now?Aspartame, the technical name for NutraSweet, Equal, Spoonful, Equal-Measure and AminoSweet, was originally discovered by accident in 1965 by chemist James Schlatter who was testing an anti-ulcer drug at the G.D. Searle Company.In 1985, Monsanto purchased G.D. Searle. Rumsfeld is believed to have earned around US$12 million from that sale.Monsanto was untroubled by the report of a 1980 FDA Board of Inquiry,… Read more »

Hele
Hele
Jul 12, 2021 6:01 PM
Reply to  Tike

This is why you know it’s all a crock.Plus the language is war-speak.
“Marlboro owner takes next step in plan to become ‘healthcare and wellness company’https://www.irishtimes.com/business/markets/tobacco-maker-philip-morris-strikes-deal-to-buy-uk-inhaler-group-vectura-1.4615999

Penelope
Penelope
Jul 12, 2021 10:24 PM
Reply to  Tike

Tike, a guy I cautioned about those little pink envelopes he kept putting in his coffee developed a sort of semi-manic state, wouldn’t believe Nutrasweet could be a problem.
He developed an extreme form of insomnia, doctors had him on all sorts of drugs to try to get him to sleep. By the time I saw him again I’m not sure he could even remember not to take Nutrasweet again; he had hallucinations from lack of sleep. A mere wraith of his former self. The docs were clueless, of course.

PS I think I read that they put formaldehyde in some vaccines, too.

mgeo
mgeo
Jul 13, 2021 8:22 AM
Reply to  Penelope

The large intestine is a major source of essential compunds including neuro-chemicals. Like many medicines, synthetic sweeteners – included in some manufactured foods – kill the symbiotic microbes there. So, your friend’s condition is not surprising.

Rada
Rada
Jul 12, 2021 6:43 AM

Wonderful meditative musings, for which I thank you, with my coffee at sunrise. They resonate deeply within me and evoke joy, peace and gratitude. It is also my habit to sit every morning for a couple of hours with the mind just open for whatever comes. 2 mugs of coffee, bliss.

goldhoarder
goldhoarder
Jul 12, 2021 6:27 AM

Psycopaths don’t think like that. It is the joy of power, control, and domination. That is their “gold”

Fast Eddy
Fast Eddy
Jul 12, 2021 6:13 AM

STORY AT-A-GLANCE In an audio recording, a Moderna representative admits that everyone who gets a COVID injection is a participant in the trial. He also admits long-term protective efficacy against COVID-19 is unknown Animal research shows the SARS-CoV-2 spike protein subunit directly damages the heart and causes myocarditis by triggering an exaggerated immune response — a cytokine storm — in the heart cells The S1 subunit of the SARS-CoV-2 spike protein activates NF-kB, a protein that controls not only the transcription of DNA but also cellular survival and cytokine production This disease process does not involve the ACE2 receptor but rather the toll-like receptor 4 (TLR4), which is responsible for the detection of pathogens and the initiation of innate immune responses A new and strange pattern is emerging: Many who suffer serious side effects from the COVID shots have normal lab workups, which makes diagnosing and treatment difficult Let’s have… Read more »

wardropper
wardropper
Jul 12, 2021 5:13 AM

Some further thoughts inspired by Mr. Curtin’s meditative article: It may be of little comfort to most of us, but from what I have seen in the serious teachings about reincarnation, the interval between two different lives is generally supposed to be a very long one – at least in earthly time. The purpose of this interval is apparently intended to provide an opportunity to prepare for further evolution, but this is only possible by coming to terms with what happened in the previous life. This ‘coming to terms’ is the crux of the matter, because there is no longer the possibility of shirking responsibility and hiding behind lies and self-deception. Coming to terms with things done wrongly in a previous life involves more than an intellectual recognition along the lines of, “Well, I suppose I could have done this or that more justly or considerately”… Karma seems to involve… Read more »

Howard
Howard
Jul 12, 2021 1:20 PM
Reply to  wardropper

Karma seems to involve something more like the well-known Purgatory of the Catholic faith, only in an extremely precise way: The idea is that during this interval one experiences the suffering and pain one has caused others as if it were happening to oneself, and there is no escape. How could there be? Only truth and reality are concerned in this matter. There are those – I definitely wouldn’t include the Rumsfelds of the world in that list – who experience any and everything they may have even unintentionally visited upon others in the here and now. I would almost say that emphatic quality is precisely what separates good from evil. I believe artists exhibit this quality perhaps more than anyone else. Which may help explain why those given over to evil seem to loathe artists more than anyone else. (As to Karma, I just experienced a little of it. While… Read more »

wardropper
wardropper
Jul 12, 2021 4:13 PM
Reply to  Howard

You are quite right to mention those sympathetic and artistic people too.
I hope I didn’t give the impression of thinking that life is all a question of doing horrible things and then just waiting for a future life to make amends…

From what I understand, this ability to experience life as if in the shoes of other people would naturally shorten the number of lives necessary to pay one’s karmic debts.

But, as you imply, we shouldn’t be flattering Rumsfeld with the notion of his being a normal human guy just paying his dues. If he wasn’t born a monster, he certainly became one.

Howard
Howard
Jul 13, 2021 3:37 AM
Reply to  wardropper

I remember reading years – probably decades – ago in an astrology book (I think by Linda Goodman) that, in terms of Karma, those who are mean and insensitive to others are, as she put it, “new kids on the block,” just beginning their trek through existence.

It doesn’t absolve their deeds; but it does help explain their motivation.

wardropper
wardropper
Jul 13, 2021 6:31 PM
Reply to  Howard

That does indeed make sense. As I understand it, there are endless possibilities and examples, and every case is unique. The general idea of karma seems to have plenty of exceptions, and it also seems natural enough to me that every new-born baby will have had either more or less previous karmic experience than the baby in the next crib. The results of that would undoubtedly come to light in due course, and it would certainly explain why it is sometimes quite impossible for some people to talk together. They are simply not in the same place. Neither better, nor worse people, just at completely different stages of spiritual development. It is also apparently possible to take backward steps in this evolution, which will hinder development and necessitate a longer period of adjustment, possibly with many physical impediments as a result of the harm previously done to the soul/spirit –… Read more »

banjocat
banjocat
Jul 12, 2021 9:26 PM
Reply to  wardropper

Curious… I had a strange series of dreams/visions after my father died. It changed my whole view of death. I have written it down here. You’re a stranger, I’m a stranger… but could you give it a read and tell me what you think? Everything you said above rings true to me…

wardropper
wardropper
Jul 13, 2021 3:03 AM
Reply to  banjocat

I would love to talk with you at great length about your moving and beautiful thoughts on that experience, but the topic is really a subject for at least a whole lifetime, so I’ll keep this short. It’s very rarely that one comes across someone who knows of anthroposophy (I followed the link you provided), and I know myself how much I owe to one of the great piano teachers with whom I had the privilege of studying, particularly due to the fact that he gently and naturally introduced me to its teachings, along with other recommended reading, when I was only eighteen. I have never looked back since. Now, many decades later, I still feel like a student when I read one of the 5,000 (?) lectures (many of them downloadable in English from the link below) which Rudolf Steiner gave on every subject under the sun. It seems… Read more »

banjocat
banjocat
Jul 14, 2021 3:35 AM
Reply to  wardropper

Thank you so much for the kind words and encouragement. I am a late comer to Steiner but I recognized the Truth of his message immediately… I am someone that at the age of eight was kicked out of Sunday school for asking difficult questions. In a shallow world that only looks at its reflection in the water – it’s rare to find those that want to dive in and find their God Particle within. Do take care and be well!

Harry Rogers
Harry Rogers
Jul 12, 2021 4:49 AM

Hey Edwin best you don’t watch this its from European Television.

https://www.arte.tv/en/videos/078193-000-F/the-new-world-of-xi-jinping/

Fast Eddy
Fast Eddy
Jul 12, 2021 8:52 AM
Reply to  Harry Rogers

Thanks for this … as we can see Xi is a very nasty fellow… I lived in China .. it truly is an Orwellian state… and the Chinese have been turned into zombies because the only information they can access is what the CCP approves… you cannot even open Youtube to have a look at dancing cats.

Hands up those would like someone like Trudeau .. or Ardern… or Amy Goodman… as our dog in the ring with Xi (or Putin).

Gosh Trudeau would surely break out in tears… and Ardern would display her pouty face (Blue Pout?) … Amy would beg for mercy.

I’m thinking I prefer a son of a bitch… someone like Rumsfeld or Cheney… someone willing to do whatever it takes… to ensure our side wins.

Victor G.
Victor G.
Jul 12, 2021 12:09 PM
Reply to  Fast Eddy

Got mit Uns!

Victor G.
Victor G.
Jul 12, 2021 12:11 PM
Reply to  Victor G.

Gott

aspnaz
aspnaz
Jul 13, 2021 12:59 PM
Reply to  Victor G.

You pissed?

Harry Rogers
Harry Rogers
Jul 13, 2021 12:14 AM
Reply to  Fast Eddy

Ni Hao,Fast Eddy

Thankfully they disliked your post . It would be disappointing to think that all Xi jingping sycophants and trolls aren’t hard at work bowing down to his altar.

Hope fully you get more dislikes to prove this world stupidity.Also hopefully Xi gives them a job in the concentration camps

aspnaz
aspnaz
Jul 13, 2021 1:05 PM
Reply to  Harry Rogers

Stupidity in the west is in abundant supply, it will be a great harvest. I have suffered the stupidity of westerners who think that Marxism proved its worth in China. But every society needs dunces, so they serve a purpose.

mgeo
mgeo
Jul 13, 2021 8:30 AM
Reply to  Fast Eddy

China, the supposed workers’ paradise:
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/56562.htm

aspnaz
aspnaz
Jul 13, 2021 12:56 PM
Reply to  Fast Eddy

It takes all sorts to make a world and although I think Rumsfeld was a thug, he had his uses in fighting off the thugs from other nations.

But that was in the days before the USA government and billionaires turned on their own people.

When the guard dog attacks the owner, it’s time to get rid of the dog.

aspnaz
aspnaz
Jul 13, 2021 12:58 PM
Reply to  Fast Eddy

My full reply is being moderated, but totally agree.

Penelope
Penelope
Jul 13, 2021 5:05 AM
Reply to  Harry Rogers

Fascinating, Harry. Thank you.

Wraith
Wraith
Jul 12, 2021 4:45 AM

Off topic – has anyone else seen this about bird deaths across the US?

https://youtu.be/NbAlfa3-6AI

https://www.dw.com/en/birds-are-dying-in-the-united-states-and-no-one-knows-why/a-58163063

Allegedly birds are dying across America and nobody knows why, another psychological operation or something else?

Cyndee J
Cyndee J
Jul 12, 2021 6:32 AM
Reply to  Wraith

Fortunately the birds in my area of northern Illinois seem fine! My family is currently transfixed by a bird nest of Eastern Phoebes atop a column on our front porch. There are six greedy baby birds that keep both parents busy flying feeding sorties. The adults are quite small only about five inches long dark with a white breast and a wingspan of nine inches (or so say the experts.) We sit in our dining room and watch them through the window. Their aerodynamics put man’s flying machines to shame as the parents swoop in gracefully to feed one baby, then speed off and soon return with food for another. They always work from left to right making sure to fill each gaping beak, then they repeat the process. It’s a full time job feeding youngins. The babies grow daily and are so big their nest can barely contain them.… Read more »

JohnEss
JohnEss
Jul 12, 2021 2:40 PM
Reply to  Cyndee J

I just researched the Eastern Phoebe and it’s a lovely little fella! Enjoy them whilst they are with you. A breath of the “old normal” is so good for one…

rob2
rob2
Jul 12, 2021 4:28 PM
Reply to  Cyndee J

“They always work from left to right making sure to fill each gaping beak, then they repeat the process.”

Fascinating! I always wondered how nestlings got their fair share. Given the wisdom of nature, this makes sense!

We’ve also got phoebes, as well as other flycatchers like the vermillion and scissor-tails. I make homemade bird cakes during the winter and the phoebes love them!

Cyndee J
Cyndee J
Jul 13, 2021 4:10 AM
Reply to  rob2

Thank you for sharing that!

Peter
Peter
Jul 12, 2021 11:28 PM
Reply to  Cyndee J

I have been a birder for 8 years. I have been fortunate to have seen about 600 species in many parts of the world. But populations are plummeting.

aspnaz
aspnaz
Jul 13, 2021 1:08 PM
Reply to  Cyndee J

Nature will never be upstaged.

Penelope Powell
Penelope Powell
Jul 12, 2021 6:41 AM
Reply to  Wraith

We’ve been seeing it for a few years. I’m guessing it’s EMFs, especially 5G. Birds, especially migratory ones, have a special sensitivity to the earth’s magnetic field, etc.

I remember a story couple years ago about a test of 5G. In a nearby waterway geese were apparently in such pain that they submerged their heads to get some relief. They all drowned themselves.

Then there’s the regular cell phone towers; there’s more of ’em & maybe more powerful?

Tamara
Tamara
Jul 13, 2021 4:59 AM

Source?

Penelope
Penelope
Jul 13, 2021 5:22 AM
Reply to  Tamara

Tamara, there’ve been stories for the past few years about whole flocks of birds dropping from the skies. I didn’t make a note of any particular story. I think the geese drowning themselves in response to the 5G test was in London. They have NOT found any illness to explain the bird deaths, hence the speculation about EMF, 5G, etc– which I have repeated here.

goldhoarder
goldhoarder
Jul 12, 2021 12:08 PM
Reply to  Wraith

I haven’t seen any dead birds

JohnEss
JohnEss
Jul 12, 2021 2:36 PM
Reply to  Wraith

It’s the next pandemic……

rob2
rob2
Jul 12, 2021 4:32 PM
Reply to  Wraith

My husband told me about this report a couple weeks ago, and nope. I’m a bird nerd and haven’t noticed any dead birds. Now the devastating winter storm last February was a literal killer. Heartbreaking.

Ort
Ort
Jul 12, 2021 10:30 PM
Reply to  Wraith

I live in a suburb just outside Philadelphia, PA. Ican’t say for sure that it’s just another psyop, but I’m skeptical that birds are dropping like flies from a novel avian Phantom Menace. I admit that my experience of the Megadeath Virus of Doom scamdemic, a house of Big Lie cards, has hardened my skepticism or cynicism. A week or two ago I got an e-mail from one of my bird food suppliers announcing this new malady. It cited official recommedations to take down bird feeders “for now” in order to prevent the possibility of the feeders becoming contaminated by infected birds, and in turn infecting subsequent visitors. It’s worth noting that it’s unlikely the supplier is promoting a bird scamdemic, since customers taking down feeders is bad for business. I haven’t seen any sick-looking birds flopping around in my little back yard, which I call the Peaceable Kingdom. And so far the news… Read more »

rob2
rob2
Jul 13, 2021 2:52 AM
Reply to  Ort

Peaceable Kingdom…good one! I guess you don’t have hummingbirds, then? 😉

Howard
Howard
Jul 13, 2021 3:47 AM
Reply to  Ort

They will go to great lengths to avoid mentioning anything relating to climate engineering – particularly the spraying of aluminum nano-particles, which, along with emf (as another commenter noted) has a horrendous effect on the birds and the bees.

Like you (and I live in a suburb of Baltimore), I can’t say I’ve noticed anything strange about the birds around here. But oh man have I noticed a change in the bees. I’ve seen maybe five so far this season – after gradually descending from a peak of perhaps hundreds feeding on the flowering plants a few years ago.

Bird feeders around here are discouraged – because the squirrels chase the birds away and get all the feed, spilling half of it, which then draws mice. Never a dull moment in the burbs!

Penelope
Penelope
Jul 13, 2021 5:30 AM
Reply to  Howard

Howard, I’m in Central Coast, CA and have not seen a single bee this year although I’m a gardener. Last year I saw fewer than a dozen– half had landed in the cat’s water & had to be rescued from drowning. The other half were wandering disoriented in the dust.

Best explanation I’ve seen of bee colony collapse is neonicotinoids.
https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/news/press-releases/study-strengthens-link-between-neonicotinoids-and-collapse-of-honey-bee-colonies/

spartacus
spartacus
Jul 12, 2021 11:42 PM
Reply to  Wraith

Racing pigeons in the UK, 1000s never returned from a 170 mile race…19th of june.

aspnaz
aspnaz
Jul 13, 2021 1:06 PM
Reply to  Wraith

Weird but agree, blue jays are a beautiful bird, like my wife.

Peter
Peter
Jul 12, 2021 4:37 AM

There are bigger villains than this cunt. The Trotskyist neocons for instance – Perle, Wolfowitz, Feith, Bolton and a few others. Oil was one objective. The interests of the dominant Middle Eastern state were another. Feith I recall was a dual citizen.

les online
les online
Jul 12, 2021 4:36 AM

Donald Rumsfeld was a driven man… driven by insecurity, driven by the search for security… Damaged, de-stabilised, when very young, by the socialising/civilisation process every newborn is subjected to…

Property arises from insecurity, the state arises out of insecurity… The Class Struggle is a struggle for security…Capitalism is the striving for security that creates insecurity…

The Anthem of My Generation (every generation): “I Want Security” (Thane Russell & 3. 1966).

aspnaz
aspnaz
Jul 13, 2021 1:17 PM
Reply to  les online

People are fascinating, most in the west chase all sorts of goals, available to them because of rich parents. Rumsfeld never needed to feed himself, his brain was free to chase other goals. His decision to choose corruption and subterfuge was mostly because he had that option, but also because he had no moral framework implanted in his brain by his parents.

But he defended the USA people, which is better than the current lot.

Steve
Steve
Jul 12, 2021 3:40 AM

Blessed be Edward Curtin.

Howard
Howard
Jul 12, 2021 3:25 AM

As always, a beautiful piece from Edward Curtin.

Ironically, whenever I saw Donald Rumsfeld on TV, I felt like I was watching a comedy skit. But I guess that just goes to show you: a butcher can also be a comedian.

Like those demented creatures who laugh watching their torture victims. Pain, suffering and death is their only “joy” in life. They don’t see what they do as evil; it’s just their way of having fun.

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Jul 12, 2021 2:09 PM
Reply to  Howard

When I had my epiphanous awakening to the massive propaganda campaign targeted to the anticipated disbelievers of the cockamamie terrorist story to keep us believing in real death and injury (the strategy was to arm disbelievers with a truth, controlled demolition, and a lie, real death and injury, resulting in a stalemate half-truth) the first thing to come to mind was Rumsfeld and Cheney’s smug and smiling faces.

Cyndee J
Cyndee J
Jul 13, 2021 4:11 AM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

Kinda creepy to remember how avuncular rummy came across.

Harry Rogers
Harry Rogers
Jul 12, 2021 2:20 AM

Perhaps the next time it rains you could also give thought to a whole civilisation being murdered in Western China. Genocide they call it.

The more things change the more things stay the same.

Harry Rogers
Harry Rogers
Jul 13, 2021 12:15 AM
Reply to  Harry Rogers

Only 15 dislikes surely Xi’s followers can do more than that! Are they busy in the concentration camps.

Jeff Carmack
Jeff Carmack
Jul 12, 2021 2:13 AM

“initiated into a ritual that sustains them throughout life” – also adds explanatory power to the behavior of many on the automaton spectrum

Jeffrey Strahl
Jeffrey Strahl
Jul 12, 2021 2:09 AM

Within a couple of weeks after 911, Rumsfeld said he was happy to be living in a world of powerful weapons and powerful people willing to use these powerful weapons. That January, i composed a tune titled “Happiness is Powerful Weapons,” taking off from the first 3 chords of the Lennon-McCartney tune “Happiness is a Warm Gun.”

Thom 9
Thom 9
Jul 12, 2021 1:57 AM

Donald Rumsfeld the man that brought us Aspertame and Tamiflu. The man that arranged the sale of the chemical weapons of mass destruction to Sodam Insane in Iraq in the early 80’s.
The man that announced to the world on Sept 10, 2001 that the Pentacon was missing 2.3 trillion dollars and was a key player in PNAC and the war on (of) terror. And these are only just a few of his highlights in his illustrious career. He had no soul. Like a wraith in Tolkien novel he is forever dammed…
Stay in hell Donald Rumsfeld.

wardropper
wardropper
Jul 12, 2021 5:23 AM
Reply to  Thom 9

I’ve often wondered what happened to the very worst of the worst in Hell…
Having no soul makes one a very useful tool to the devil of course.

The Kid
The Kid
Jul 12, 2021 1:45 AM

The saddest part of Rumsfeld’s passing is that it happened WAY too late. About 80 years too late. Let’s hope Kissinger’s demise is not far away and we can, at least, finally be done with these two murderous cretins.

wardropper
wardropper
Jul 12, 2021 5:25 AM
Reply to  The Kid

My personal preference is for a not-so-cosy demise in these cases, but divine retribution isn’t supposed to be a side-show spectacle for the likes of ghouls like me…
I’ll just have to accept that, and keep my guard up so that I don’t end my days deserving the same retribution…
Where did these guys go so wrong?
Was it just childhood neglect? Such things can seriously damage a soul.
And damaged is what Rumsfeld certainly was. Makes your hair stand on end to think how little the suffering of others meant to him.

Howard
Howard
Jul 12, 2021 3:51 PM
Reply to  wardropper

Perhaps even more than any personal damage inflicted on Rumsfeld as a child, the problem lies with the society he was born into. Perhaps it’s the same everywhere, but in the US “getting ahead” “going for the gold” “being numero uno” has become the be all and end all.

A demented society will necessarily push the most demented people to the top.

wardropper
wardropper
Jul 13, 2021 1:17 AM
Reply to  Howard

Indeed it will.
And then there are the Rumsfelds who don’t even need any pushing…

SEF
SEF
Jul 14, 2021 7:23 PM
Reply to  Howard

I believe the entire structure of “civilized society” was created especially to ensure that the most ruthless and power-hungry psycopaths naturally made their way to the top of the hierarchical systems. What we need to understand is that these systems can be different and we can create a much better society than anything we have been a part of or know about thus far. Just because it’s “always been this way” doesn’t mean we have to keep accepting and continuing the insanity of it. There are other ways, there are people that have developed good technologies and systems that can work toward the betterment of people and the planet without greed, terror, domination and destruction. When people start being really honest and start taking full responsibility for themselves and their actions, I think we’ll start to see a shift in our society and reality. When we start to honor, value… Read more »

Fast Eddy
Fast Eddy
Jul 12, 2021 6:37 AM
Reply to  The Kid

Who would you have step into the breach – Amy Goodman?

gordan
gordan
Jul 12, 2021 1:44 AM

assad and putin full compliance

a few good men said no
meet the

dead presidents

anti covid terrorists that denied science and msm world wide fake fuckery show

In Burundi it was President Pierre Nkurunziza
In Tanzania, it was President John Magufuli

in haiti a young bloody President Jovenel Moïse

Fast Eddy
Fast Eddy
Jul 12, 2021 1:40 AM

Edward – once upon a time I used to subscribe to the International Herald Tribune (NYT). I was ‘liberal’ leaning… despised Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld … did not reflect much on the fact that regardless of which party was in power in America, war was a constant. One thing lead to another and I emerged from the province of DelusiSTAN I was living in for many years… Reading The Prince was one of the keys to unlocking the gates so I could escape DelusiSTAN. I suspect this is what Rumsfeld thought as he lay dying… He believed that he had done a good job ensuring that the American Empire remained intact. He would have understood the nature of man — and that civilization is but a very thin veneer and underneath there is a rough beast. An animal. A predator capable of extreme violence. This veneer is maintained by artificial means… Read more »

wardropper
wardropper
Jul 12, 2021 5:35 AM
Reply to  Fast Eddy

I would just suggest that in order to die with a clear conscience, you need to have one.

Penelope Powell
Penelope Powell
Jul 12, 2021 6:49 AM
Reply to  Fast Eddy

The law, courts, etc aren’t “an artificial veneer.” It’s called civilization.

Fast Eddy
Fast Eddy
Jul 12, 2021 8:03 AM

Do you see any law courts here?

https://www.quora.com/What-would-the-world-be-like-if-society-collapsed

Seems they get stripped off rather easily … when things go sideways…

And then we return to our natural state …

Civilization itself is the veneer ….

http://img.picturequotes.com/2/41/40006/civilization-a-thin-veneer-over-barbarianism-quote-1.jpg

Two books you might consider:

Heart of Darkness

King Leopold’s Ghost

These demonstrate how easily it’s stripped away…

I assume you have never been to a place where the veneer has been stripped… it’s quite a confronting experience for someone who’s idea of travel is a glass of wine in Tuscany….

But of course – men like Rumsfeld have so far ensured that the veneer has remained in the OECD countries… you should lay a wreath at his grave.

Howard
Howard
Jul 12, 2021 4:24 PM
Reply to  Fast Eddy

Perhaps it’s the veneer that’s the culprit. And the essential human question: was civilization created to counter Mr Hobbes’ “life is nasty, brutish and short” – or to simply use it to enrich some at the expense of the rest?

The “civilized” storm troopers can wreak every bit as much carnage as the “uncivilized” hordes. With the difference that you have the right to fight back against the uncivilized hordes – but not against the civilized troopers.

Cyndee J
Cyndee J
Jul 13, 2021 4:13 AM
Reply to  Fast Eddy

King leopold’s ghost was one of the best most enlightening books I have ever read. And it reads like a fiction book for people such as myself who love info but struggle with poor writing.

Rhisiart Gwilym
Rhisiart Gwilym
Jul 12, 2021 7:01 AM
Reply to  Fast Eddy

Er – that’s ‘reins’, Eddy.

George Mc
George Mc
Jul 12, 2021 7:50 AM
Reply to  Fast Eddy

men have always been at each other’s throats

The blasé statement of someone who doesn’t have to worry about the fall out.

Victor G.
Victor G.
Jul 12, 2021 12:24 PM
Reply to  Fast Eddy

Diagnosis: mental confusion, senility(?).
Therapy: extended sojourn in the backwoods. Eight hours of meditation per diem until insight.
Prognosis: depends on the aspiration of the patient to Self-Knowledge.
Good Luck, Eddy!

Howard
Howard
Jul 12, 2021 4:08 PM
Reply to  Fast Eddy

Though I don’t disagree with you in the overall thrust of your argument, I believe there is in play in human existence a very, very minor (let’s call it “chord”) which recognizes that Mr Hobbes’ “War of all against all” is a self defeating stratagem which must be opposed whenever and wherever possible. I had seen something in a documentary many years ago which made me question the Western view of Indigenous peoples as primitive savages. A community (I don’t even like the spurious term “tribe”) in the Amazon rainforest would only kill and eat a monkey if they had no other means of sustenance. And, if they did, they would take that monkey’s offspring and raise it as one of their own – and it was taboo for anyone to harm it. All of which makes me wonder if everything you say – and everything we know to be… Read more »

Maxwell
Maxwell
Jul 12, 2021 12:41 AM

I cut my teeth on virii scams in 2004 when the lame duck Avian voodoo flu couldn’t quite get off the ground to scare enough humans and motivate investors for any length of time. But there was Donald Rumsfeld and Gilead and for any who did the research this was an obvious “tell” that not all was it seemed with the bogus bird flu. Even with this poorly conjured scam my local liberal hypochondriacs were all screeching to the roof and claiming ‘end times’ were near if we didn’t all get with our pandemic preparations. To organize the preparations a Saturday meeting in the local library was arranged. The place was packed to the gills and oddly numerous people had these huge plastic containers “with supplies” that they deemed we would all need to stock up on in order to survive the coming viral storm. Being well armed myself with… Read more »

Denny KirkQ
Denny KirkQ
Jul 12, 2021 1:40 AM
Reply to  Maxwell

Someone told me today that I was “stupid” for not getting the vaccine. I tried to talk sense to this person but the more we talked the more convinced he was that I was completely wrong. I have been going through alot of anger today from this conversation and the fact that he referred to me as “stupid”. I kept my cool because we were in a public setting. I too am amazed at how little people know about the whole Plandemic and what dangers lie ahead for humanity. Upon reflection, and I think that is what Edward Curtin is referring to, I am glad that I handled it the way that I did. He was very emotional and I tried to remain very logical and peaceful. These experiences can tear us apart or we can get stronger from them. Reflection is needed in order for the stronger part to… Read more »

Howard
Howard
Jul 12, 2021 3:03 AM
Reply to  Denny KirkQ

I think the best response would be “Let’s meet a year from now and discuss this again.”

Edith
Edith
Jul 12, 2021 4:41 AM
Reply to  Howard

Yes more and more I am accepting what an Aussie lawyer has said…just don’t argue…be polite, smile and just keep doing ones own thing…remaining strong within seems to be important in getting though this game…the crazies seem to sense inner Centeredness and be more prepared to leave one be re all the crazy stuff going on with this game…

Victor G.
Victor G.
Jul 12, 2021 12:33 PM
Reply to  Edith

In agree but tend to lose it when my interlocutor cites NYT, WAPO, CNN, etc. as their sources. That tends to push me to the boiling point.
Luckily, I too am one of the stoopid ones …

wardropper
wardropper
Jul 12, 2021 5:36 AM
Reply to  Howard

Well said, Howard.
I just hope we have a year…

Penelope Powell
Penelope Powell
Jul 12, 2021 7:07 AM
Reply to  Denny KirkQ

Denny, I awoke very early when I was fresh out of high school, so I’ve always had a different frame of reference than many others. You must realize that they often consider themselves well-informed if they listen to two newscasts a day. There are perfectly rational, busy people who simply don’t spend much time online.

You can’t know something before you know it. But your calm & reasoned demeanor may later, upon reflection, begin to make a dent.

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Jul 12, 2021 3:07 PM
Reply to  Denny KirkQ

What I realise more and more is that people believe according to their inclination to believe, not the evidence, it simply doesn’t matter how much you rub it in their faces. It is staggering. It doesn’t matter which side of the conspiracy fence they’re on they will believe according to their inclination to believe. I’ve just been arguing on the site, Piece of Mindful, for the reality of the moon landings. On POM virtually everyone is a moon hoaxer while on OffG – not sure maybe 50/50 so on POM I’m a heretic arguing for their reality. The point I made very emphatically was that Bill Kaysing, the first person to say we didn’t go to the moon, was an agent which we can see is made very obvious in at least two ways: — On Wikipedia (edited by intelligence agents and where we always find the clues), we’re told… Read more »

Howard
Howard
Jul 12, 2021 4:58 PM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

If I recall, you have consistently maintained that most of what passes for real events is a psyop. So do you believe the moon landing was also a psyop?

I have the “gift” of being a Johnny Come Lately to many conspiracies – except 911 and COVID. That way, most of the charlatans have fallen by the wayside (I’d never even heard of this Bill Kaysing).

The most – and only – compelling moon hoax idea is “American Moon” by Massimo Mazzucco. It’s about 3 hours long and debunks, one by one, the pictures and much of the evidence. However, it does occur to me that perhaps the pictures had to be staged because actual pictures might have been either impossible or ruined by the Van Allen Belt – so even that doesn’t automatically disprove the landing.

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Jul 13, 2021 7:27 AM
Reply to  Howard

No, Howard, I don’t believe the moon landings were a psyop. The evidence overwhelmingly shows that the moon landings were real and an absolutely astonishing achievement. It pains me both that a significant number of people don’t recognise that achievement and that the power elite have CONTAMINATED that achievement by pushing out agents (Bill’s not the only one, Dave McGowan is another with his Wagging the Moondoggie) and propaganda to encourage the Disbelievers by Default (DBDs) to not believe in them. Yesterday, I mentioned that one reason is to undermine the credibility of the DBDs when they call out the lies we are told on a daily basis – “Don’t believe in the moon landings? You’re just a stupid conspiracy theorist.” Perhaps another reason is that although the DBDs are not, by definition, purely evidence-based thinkers they are generally I guess right about their calling out of lies – and… Read more »

Sophie - Admin1
Admin
Sophie - Admin1
Jul 13, 2021 8:15 AM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

I don’t claim or believe the moon landings were fake, but even I can see those links don’t debunk anything. Nor do your random claims of some people being cointel – so what? Personal attacks don’t refute data.

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Jul 13, 2021 8:34 AM

Why do you say those links don’t debunk anything, Sophie? I just tested them over at POM and the passionate moon hoaxers over there certainly couldn’t come back with anything to refute them so I’m most curious to see how you don’t think they debunk anything. And we certainly can tell that Bill Kaysing was an agent because a Head of Technical Publications at Rocketdyne would never talk about massive blast craters and sand and rock being blasted everywhere. And if, by the remotest chance they did, then they’d do it debunking style. They wouldn’t just make that assertion, they’d say “Well, they say that only the faintest of craters would be made and that’s what they show us, but, in fact, a large crater would have had to be made because of X, Y and Z.” A person who was head of Technical Publications would demonstrate his credibility in… Read more »

Sophie - Admin1
Admin
Sophie - Admin1
Jul 13, 2021 9:10 AM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

I don’t investigate it, it’s not my thing. But here’s one question. Why is NASA now saying it will have to figure out how to get through the Van Allen belts before they can ‘go back’ to the moon? They already sent people through the VABs many times in the 1960s, right? So they know how to do it already. If they have to ‘figure it out’ now they would appear to be obliquely admitting they didn’t do it in the 1960’s and therefore didn’t go to the moon 🤷‍♀️ PS – that ‘debunk’ is just a guy setting up straw men and knocking them down so far as I can see. He doesn’t address a single one of the real questions I see people on here raise. But what do I know, it’s not my thing. update – just read the ‘debunk’ of American Moon, which I have not… Read more »

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Jul 13, 2021 9:30 AM

The debunk guy is debunking specific things, namely, the film, American Moon and the book, Wagging the Moon Doggie. No strawmen, very specific arguments relevant to those two artefacts and if you read his debunking carefully you’ll see how very knowledgeable the debunker is and how obvious from the detail of what he says that the evidence so clearly fits the “real” hypothesis. The evidence fits the hypothesis much too closely, so very like a glove, that it’s really quite impossible for the moon landings not to be real. The issue of the VABs is addressed Sophie in that debunking but also when there’s a certain amount of evidence for something then it doesn’t really matter what’s raised, you can be sure there will be some explanation. There is simply too much evidence for the moon landings for something as trivial as the VABs to debunk them. The VABs don’t… Read more »

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Jul 13, 2021 10:39 AM

Wow! “easily persuaded by any old piece of tat”. Do you see though how because you don’t back your claim with content it is completely meaningless? Can you not see that?

You need to explain how the debunking is an old piece of tat. And if it is, I’d really wonder why the passionate moon hoaxers over at POM didn’t pick it up. They would have loved to demolish that debunking but they didn’t touch it. So you’re not a passionate moon hoaxer and yet you consider it a bit of tat. Please elucidate.

You never stop surprising me, Sophie. I put something forward that seems so obviously correct so obviously game, set and match and yet you come up with an objection which just strikes me as coming from left field, so completely unexpected, I just have no idea where it could possibly come from.

Sophie - Admin1
Admin
Sophie - Admin1
Jul 13, 2021 4:49 PM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

Oh come on P – how do they ‘debunk’ the VABs question? Misdirection and waffle. Oh, and a lie. They claim the dosage was overstated. Ok, let’s assume that’s true without evidence. The revised dose is still enough to destroy equipment and damage a human body. Debunk? Nope. They claim the hull protected the astronauts, but give no data.Ok, so send the 21stC astronauts to the moon in a replica of the CM from 1969. Problem solved! So, what is NASA worried about? Debunk? Nope. They claim the current concerns about the VABs are to do with them potentially knocking out equipment. Well, ok, but again just put the equipment in a replica CM from 1969 and, according to their logic, it will be fine. But anyhow, they’re lying. The NASA vid I saw specifically said they needed to figure out how to protect PEOPLE from the VABs. Debunk? Nope… Read more »

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Jul 14, 2021 3:33 AM

Misdirection and waffle? They claim the hull protected the astronauts, but give no data. Where’s the data that says it didn’t protect them, Sophie? What you need to provide is the evidence that the VABs would have stopped astronauts going to the moon. Where is it? If you don’t have it then it’s rather pointless arguing about the VABs. In my opinion, the radiation aspect is more in the realm of the abstract involving figures that people can easily argue over so, as far as I’m concerned, why even bother with the VABs. I’ve argued with people whose only angle is the radiation – either from VABs or the lunar radiation. When there is a wealth of evidence to look at you don’t make a case just from one angle because you might be mistaken. You don’t make a case against the moon landings based just on the radiation. It… Read more »

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Jul 14, 2021 4:29 AM

What I truly wonder about, Sophie, is what your approach is to determine whether claims made are true or not. I wonder how you balance things in your mind, how you rationalise “for” and “against”. I really have no clue. My approach is pretty straightforward. I only had any interest in the moon landings after I woke up to 9/11 and my initial inclination was to believe they didn’t happen because they seemed so implausible. 384,000 km away and we’d only gone 400 km in the 50 years since? The first thing I did was read Wagging the Moondoggie which I found very persuasive (but have since discovered was written by intelligence agent, Dave McGowan, whose purpose was to mislead all those highly-disinclined to believe government to undermine them when they called out the real lies). But then I thought, that, of course, I needed to look at the evidence… Read more »

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Jul 14, 2021 4:34 AM

Just to add: in relation to the brightly-lit moon surface. When I went to see First Man I predicted that the brightness of the surface of the faked moon we are shown wouldn’t have the degree of intensity of the real moon we see in the footage of the Apollo landings.

I believe my prediction was correct … but just a matter of opinion, of course.

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Jul 14, 2021 5:24 AM

Sorry, I tend to react a little too quickly to your comments without looking at them thoroughly. But anyhow, they’re lying. The NASA vid I saw specifically said they needed to figure out how to protect PEOPLE from the VABs. But no one’s saying that people don’t need to be protected.from the VABs … and they never did. What they said before was that they were sufficiently protected. Perhaps now – as indicated by the seeming ill-effects of the lunar radiation – they’re saying that the protection wasn’t quite sufficient. You need to be very careful in your claims, Sophie. The debunker is referring to a particular video and what he says in reference to that video is correct. Perhaps he is unaware of the video you refer to but to make the claim that he’s lying when his approach is simply to debunk what is put forward in American… Read more »

Fast Eddy
Fast Eddy
Jul 14, 2021 5:51 AM

You must watch… it’s superb….

They even have 5 of the top photographers on the planet analyse the photos and conclude 100% that they are studio work.

https://youtu.be/bdQHKf48Mfw?t=1921

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Jul 15, 2021 3:29 AM
Reply to  Fast Eddy

The professional photographers know nothing about the moon and the photos were cherry-picked. From Debunking Part 2 Any evidence can seem compelling in the absence of the correct context. The question of light falloff in the Apollo photography is a very good example. The makers of American Moon present some photographs which appear to show falloff. But if it was genuine falloff, it should appear not just in a few photographs – it should appear in all the photographs from the lunar surface. But if you go and actually look at the Apollo pictures, you’ll find thousands – literally thousands – showing large areas of ground with no falloff whatsoever. The pictures in American Moon are cherry-picked. They’re pictures where the slope of the ground has caused shadowed areas. The documentary makers make sure to ignore the thousands of other pictures where this doesn’t happen. Here’s a gallery I’ve made of pictures… Read more »

Fast Eddy
Fast Eddy
Jul 15, 2021 4:29 AM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

Oh I see… so you want a photographer who has experience with taking photos on the moon. Nobody has ever been to the moon so …. And they cherry picked … hmmm… so you are saying that in some photos they did use a second source of light … (the cherry picked ones) and in the others they didn’t? Light is light … on the moon and on the earth. And when you take a picture of a person with the sun behind them … their face will not appear illuminated (cuz it’s in the shadow) unless you have a secondary source of light or you are using reflectors. Check it out 🙂 http://www.studentartguide.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/photography-reflector.jpg Now here’s one of the cherry picked photos… are you trying to say that light behaves differently on the moon … it lights up both from the back and the front? What are you trying to… Read more »

Fast Eddy
Fast Eddy
Jul 15, 2021 4:37 AM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

Here is James Van Allan stating in 1958 that the Earth is surrounded by intense bands of radiation that would kill humans if they tried to pass through them. https://youtu.be/KpuKu3F0BvY?t=3594 Here’s a NASA engineer explaining how they are trying to build a space craft that can pass through the deadly Van Allan Belts. https://youtu.be/bMfUpqnLFCc Hmmm… why doesn’t NASA just reference all the engineering plans from the 60’s? Oh right – they were all thrown in the bin because they took up too much space. Hahahahahahahaha… and they erased all the video tapes and reused them ‘because they are so expensive’ And then of course there’s this: “It is commonly believed that man will fly directly from the earth to the moon, but to do this, we would require a vehicle of such gigantic proportions that it would prove an economic impossibility. It would have to develop sufficient speed to penetrate… Read more »

Fast Eddy
Fast Eddy
Jul 14, 2021 5:59 AM

And then there is this

https://youtu.be/bMfUpqnLFCc

And this is good too

https://youtu.be/16MMZJlp_0Y

And last but not least here is Stanley Kubrick confessing to faking the moon landings… released many years after his death at his request

Sorry but not available on YT… can’t have people finding this can we 🙂

https://www.bitchute.com/video/Xel7cxch6vHH/

Fast Eddy
Fast Eddy
Jul 14, 2021 5:50 AM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

Can I tempt you? Let’s try a short clip that was leaked to NASA that shows Buzz and Neil pretending to be in lunar orbit.

You can even hear the director telling them to ‘talk’

https://youtu.be/bdQHKf48Mfw?t=1921

If that makes you suspicious I highly recommend you watch the full documentary.

You can even see pieces of the lunar module taped on… and some panels that are falling off. Really!

Or do what most people do … and refuse to watch it

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Jul 14, 2021 9:13 AM
Reply to  Fast Eddy

Eddy, I would never not look at evidence. I endeavour as much as I’m humanly able to keep an open mind. I guess though I don’t really have an “open mind” exactly on the moon landings because I’ve simply seen too much to go back. Obviously, it’s just not going to work if someone says to you, “I’ve got evidence that terrorists brought down the twin towers”, right? You know they didn’t. I also know the moon landings were real in the same way, I’ve seen too much evidence to have any doubt … nevertheless I’ll have a look. I had a look and I think that the snippets were too short with no context to have an opinion. You can’t necessarily take a tiny snippet with no context and say what it means. With regard to the sunlight, what’s so strange about that? The sun is out there while… Read more »

Sophie - Admin1
Admin
Sophie - Admin1
Jul 14, 2021 9:28 AM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

I would never not look at evidence

🤣 – oh come on Petra, you are one of the most selective thinkers I know. You define your subjectivity as ‘logic’ and then congratulate yourself on how incredibly ‘logical’ all your choices are!

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Jul 14, 2021 1:40 PM

… you are one of the most selective thinkers I know.

Please give an example, Sophie.

Sam - Admin2
Admin
Sam - Admin2
Jul 14, 2021 3:06 PM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

One example would be linking to a reddit ‘debunking’ of Mazzucco’s video (below), which is not scrupulous work, not in the least. It employs the same tricks ‘Fact Checkers’ use, eg. disputing the issue of Van Allen’s findings on radiation belts by simply stating he sent up many satellites and listing them. Van Allen actually later contradicted his 1962 statement when he said there was no error in his initial radiation findings. This is not a scrupulous debunking of anything.

There are some interesting unanswered questions and apparent contradictions in the moon landing official story, and if you were subjecting it to a level of skepticism and scrutiny consistent with your other views you would seek to have this discussion, rather than shut it down with very mediocre material (by your usual standards).

A2

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Jul 15, 2021 2:50 AM
Reply to  Sam - Admin2

Well, I guess, Sophie, we’ll just have to agree to disagree. I think it is a scrupulous work. I have the utmost respect for the debunker and the level of detail and research he’s gone to astounds me. His answer to question 24 in Part 2 I find utterly astonishing. https://www.reddit.com/r/SensibleSite/comments/i1rkbp/debunking_american_moon_part_2/ I accept unanswered questions, Sophie, when the evidence overwhelmingly supports an hypothesis. I’m not bothered by unanswered questions necessarily. The moon is the moon and the earth is the earth. It was an astonishing feat and those of us who know nothing about space and the moon, etc will expect to not be able to understand lots of things. Lots of things about the moon might seem anomalous looking through a terrestrial lens. So if someone poses a question to me about the moon landings that I can’t answer, what should I do? I’ll try to look it up… Read more »

Sophie - Admin1
Admin
Sophie - Admin1
Jul 14, 2021 4:49 PM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

Look over your entire output. Look at the scary gaps in your thinking, the a priori assumptions designed to disguise prejudice as ‘analysis’, the circular reasoning, the unfalsifiable hypotheses, the crazy idea you seem to have that using the word ‘logical’ equates with using logic. You want the moon landings to be real so badly you grab any old garbage (from Reddit ffs) as ‘proof’. Ditto climate change. You bring zero critical thinking to either of these obvious elite mainstream narratives – because you want to believe them. You trust a bunch of proven liars selling a Bill Gates narrative, but at the same time you call the guys who discovered thermite in the WTC dust ‘shills’, even though they lost their livelihoods as a result of what they did. Zero humility, zero logic, zero respect for data. You’ve linked to the same photo of a 9/11 ‘jumper’ about 12… Read more »

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Jul 15, 2021 2:58 AM

Oh dear, Sophie, I so emphatically disagree … so yes we shall have to agree to disagree. If you can explain how Bill Kaysing was the head of Technical Publications at Rocketdyne but said the lunar module would have created a huge crater and blasted sand and rocks everywhere I’d love to know it. I simply cannot think of another explanation other than he was a plant whose purpose was to mislead those who disbelieve everything from the authorities and undermine their ability to spread the truth on the real lies. I always say that every single piece of evidence must support your hypothesis and that is definitely a rule I follow. A seeming anomaly in the case of the moon landings where there is overwhelming evidence that favours them being real doesn’t count. Neither you nor I nor any moon-hoaxer has sufficient understanding to say a seeming anomaly debunks… Read more »

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Jul 15, 2021 3:55 AM

Zero humility, zero logic, zero respect for data. Zero humility I will accept up to a point, Sophie, not the other two of course – quite the opposite. I do think I’m quite expert on understanding psyops. Why shouldn’t I think that because I see things other people don’t see, Bill Kaysing being an obvious agent, for example. I predicted he was an agent and then recognised the psyop signs immediately. No one else has as far as I know. Should I have be all humble about the ability to recognise plants where seemingly no one else can? What strikes me about you, Sophie, is that you don’t really have an understanding of psyops or psyop MO and you don’t know how to make facts mean what they must mean. You don’t build a knowledge base with all the little nuggets of gold that come your way, it’s like you… Read more »

Fast Eddy
Fast Eddy
Jul 14, 2021 11:09 AM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

I’ve just given you the most important documentary in the history of the world and you want me to find the snippets of the photos of the lunar junk heap that shows the panels falling off? Why is it important? Because if they can pull this massive scam off …. they can pull ANYTHING off. It was roughly a year ago and I downloaded the Apollo movie… my wife and I watched about 45 minutes of it and we looked at each other and one of us said — that piece of junk looks like someone made it in their basement — no way that landed on the moon. No way. Up until then I just assumed we had…. never really looked into it. After watching that movie I started to dig — and I found a fantastic essay on this — Moon Doggie (can’t recall the link). Then I… Read more »

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Jul 14, 2021 1:49 PM
Reply to  Fast Eddy

I’ve just seen this response now but I’ve responded to another comment you made where you put forward American Moon which I didn’t mention I actually watched – at least it was perfectly watchable unlike Something funny … – oh my goodness, awful … and then I found the debunking of it and the debunking of Wagging the Moondoggie – which was the first thing I looked at when I first embarked on my journey to see if the moon landings were real or not and found it very compelling … until I started to look at the evidence myself and started looking at the debunking of the moon hoax arguments.

Fast Eddy
Fast Eddy
Jul 14, 2021 10:45 PM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

I suppose you think that the American government did not orchestrate 911?

All these men and women are — ‘conspiracy theorists’ – right? https://www.ae911truth.org/

And this is the rantings of nutjobs – right?

https://www.europhysicsnews.org/articles/epn/pdf/2016/04/epn2016474p21.pdf

Then of course… Building 7 collapsed because… um… because?

https://youtu.be/zRpCwKRnL1M

And then last but not least… there are no explosives in this video – right? And when buildings collapse material always flies horizontally – right? (girders ended up across the street…)

https://youtu.be/nUDoGuLpirc

Do you also still believe that Saddam had WMD?

And that Lee Harvey shot JFK?

What else do you believe?

Fast Eddy
Fast Eddy
Jul 15, 2021 12:30 AM
Reply to  Fast Eddy

Let’s examine some ‘conspiracy theorists’…

https://gbdeclaration.org/

Dr. Martin Kulldorff, professor of medicine at Harvard University, a biostatistician, and epidemiologist with expertise in detecting and monitoring infectious disease outbreaks and vaccine safety evaluations.

Dr. Sunetra Gupta, professor at Oxford University, an epidemiologist with expertise in immunology, vaccine development, and mathematical modeling of infectious diseases.

Dr. Jay Bhattacharya, professor at Stanford University Medical School, a physician, epidemiologist, health economist, and public health policy expert focusing on infectious diseases and vulnerable populations.

Debunked!

https://theconversation.com/5-failings-of-the-great-barrington-declarations-dangerous-plan-for-covid-19-natural-herd-immunity-148975

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/oct/27/facebook-posts/great-barrington-herd-immunity-document-widely-dis/

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2020-10-15/great-barrington-declaration-is-wrong-about-herd-immunity

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/stephaniemlee/herd-immunity-great-barrington-backlash-letter

https://www.infectioncontroltoday.com/view/viewpoint-the-not-so-great-barrington-declaration

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Jul 15, 2021 2:16 AM
Reply to  Fast Eddy

Hilarious! You’ve obviously never encountered my comments before.

This is my website.
https://occamsrazorterrorevents.weebly.com/

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Jul 15, 2021 5:07 AM
Reply to  Fast Eddy

I’m ahead of you on WTC-7, Eddy. It’s not how but WHY. Of course we all know how, it’s so obvious – a little too obvious, perhaps? When they give us the truth in our faces so very, very obviously suspicions should be alerted. All propaganda is lies, even when one is telling the truth. George Orwell. Why did they showcase WTC-7’s collapse? Why did they film it from at least seven different vantage points? Why did they self-incriminate in that way? https://youtu.be/Vgx8Uwo-Vxc Huh, Eddy? Why? Ahead of you there. I’ve written a poem to mark the 20th anniversary of 9/11. These are the first four stanzas. More to be revealed closer to the date. But perhaps you can work it out in the meantime. 9/11: A proper gander They knew tall towers fall not by fuel But knew they’d fool us that they will All except who wouldn’t be… Read more »

Fast Eddy
Fast Eddy
Jul 14, 2021 10:52 PM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

You may be able use this to understand your condition … and escape from DelusiSTAN … using this analysis: On The Psychology Of The Conspiracy Denier A closer look at the class that mocks. Why is it that otherwise perfectly intelligent, thoughtful and rationally minded people baulk at the suggestion that sociopaths are conspiring to manipulate and deceive them? And why will they defend this ill-founded position with such vehemence? History catalogues the machinations of liars, thieves, bullies and narcissists and their devastating effects. In modern times too, evidence of corruption and extraordinary deceptions abound. We know, without question, that politicians lie and hide their connections and that corporations routinely display utter contempt for moral norms – that corruption surrounds us. https://off-guardian.org/2021/03/12/on-the-psychology-of-the-conspiracy-denier/# Oh and did I mention Sweden and their huge success dealing with Covid? Yep – they are 30th on the deaths per capita list…. they were 5th at… Read more »

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Jul 15, 2021 2:05 AM
Reply to  Fast Eddy

But I’m not a conspiracy denier, Eddy, I recognise many, many, many psyops. I have a website on psyops so no one would ever call me a conspiracy denier, I’m mostly called a conspiracy theorist although I reject that term and call myself an analyst of Psychological Operations. And I know that the psyops I’m aware of are only a tiny drop in the bucket. Essentially, psyops are perpetrated on us virtually every single day, I’d say. They are relentless. https://occamsrazorterrorevents.weebly.com/ What moon-hoaxers really don’t pick up on is that the moon landings have absolutely ZERO in common with the myriads of psyops that are committed. There’s no telltale signs … except for those people who tell us that the moon landings didn’t happen, there we can see the psyop signs perfectly. Bill Kaysing, Head of Technical Publications at Rocketdyne. Hilarious! You seem very fixed in your beliefs, Eddy, so… Read more »

Fast Eddy
Fast Eddy
Jul 15, 2021 2:21 AM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

So you are still refusing to watching American Moon….

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Jul 15, 2021 5:29 AM
Reply to  Fast Eddy

I told you I already watched it and yes at the time I found the claims about the fall off compelling even though by the time I watched it I was convinced we went to the moon. That is why I looked up debunking of American Moon and found the debunking where unfortunately only in the comments rather than in the body of the actual debunking the debunker shows how the photos were cherry picked and many photos, in fact, don’t show fall off. We also see clear evidence of a vast swathe of land evenly and clearly lit when the rover is travelling over it. You really need to open your mind, Eddy. You need to go to the other side and see what they put forward. I watched American Moon when I was convinced we went there. Are you going to watch at least one episode of Moon… Read more »

Fast Eddy
Fast Eddy
Jul 14, 2021 11:15 AM
Reply to  Fast Eddy

Here we have the interviews with top photographers – every single one of them insists the moon photos are taken in a studio…

Watch … or remain in ignorance…

https://youtu.be/KpuKu3F0BvY?t=8201

Fast Eddy
Fast Eddy
Jul 14, 2021 5:45 AM
Reply to  Howard

Anyone who watches this in its entirety and still thinks we have been to the moon —- should sign up to be the first person to receive a brain transplant.

https://youtu.be/KpuKu3F0BvY

Fast Eddy
Fast Eddy
Jul 14, 2021 11:12 AM
Reply to  Fast Eddy

I’ve just completed a 6 minute course in brain surgery … I am ready to take this to the next level and try my hand at a transplant.

I need someone to watch American Moon and tell me they still believe we’ve been to the moon …

Standing by,,,

https://youtu.be/-pqxtlCpIoM

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Jul 14, 2021 1:27 PM
Reply to  Fast Eddy

The film has been debunked, Eddy. https://www.reddit.com/r/SensibleSite/comments/eqfeqs/debunking_american_moon/ https://www.reddit.com/r/SensibleSite/comments/i1rkbp/debunking_american_moon_part_2/ And here is a debunking of Wagging the Moondoggie by intelligence agent, Dave McGowan, (says Part 1 but cannot find a Part 2) https://www.reddit.com/r/SensibleSite/comments/hs6zji/debunking_wagging_the_moondoggie_part_1/ What you must do, Eddy, is approach the moon landings with an open mind. Every time you see any claims that something indicates we didn’t go – look up if that claim has been debunked and then check if you think the debunking stands up. I am the only person I know of who’s picked Bill Kaysing, the first person to say we didn’t land on the moon, as an intelligence agent. This is a very significant fact. It is also a very, very, very significant fact that the perps made Bill Kaysing Head of Technical Publications at Rocketdyne, the company that made the Saturn V rockets for the Apollo program, and then they made him spout nonsense… Read more »

Fast Eddy
Fast Eddy
Jul 14, 2021 10:26 PM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

This ‘debunks’ nothing … it’s a load of shit. Can you point me to the part where they debunk the leaked NASA footage that shows them faking the lunar orbit? Anything about the taped together landing contraption? The panels falling off? What about the light source for the photos? Professional photographers say these are studio shots… impossible to even address so they don’t. Then of course there is the Van Allan Belts… James Van Allan appears in American Moon stating it is not possible to pass through them. NOT possible…. they would kill a human And here we have a NASA engineer explaining how we still do not have a spacecraft that can pass through with humans safely … and we are working on one https://youtu.be/bMfUpqnLFCc People ask ‘how can it be possible to convince so many people that something that did not happen happened’ Look in the mirror. Did… Read more »

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Jul 15, 2021 2:13 AM
Reply to  Fast Eddy

Professional photographers say these are studio shots… impossible to even address so they don’t. Professional photographers in fashion, professional photographers who know nothing about the moon. Please read the debunkings carefully and just because certain things aren’t debunked doesn’t mean they’re being avoided. The debunker makes this comment in the comments: https://www.reddit.com/r/SensibleSite/comments/i1rkbp/debunking_american_moon_part_2/ “Yes, this isn’t finished yet. I’m hoping to make regular updates until I’ve answered every point in the film. So do check back. Any evidence can seem compelling in the absence of the correct context. The question of light falloff in the Apollo photography is a very good example. The makers of American Moon present some photographs which appear to show falloff. But if it was genuine falloff, it should appear not just in a few photographs – it should appear in all the photographs from the lunar surface. But if you go and actually look at the… Read more »

Fast Eddy
Fast Eddy
Jul 15, 2021 2:40 AM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

But petra dahling… fashion photographers understand lighting … and they understand what happens when film gets near a radiation source… and they know what happens to film when it gets extremely cold (and it is extremely cold on the moon)… Would you prefer a sports photographer? Maybe a family portrait photographer? A news photographer? How about a photogapher who specializes in pets! What sort of photographer would you prefer petra? Which type is qualified to analyse the moon photos? I know you have not watched … because they explain all of this on American Moon… They specifically are asking how when the light source (sun) is at the back of the astronauts … they and the lunar contraption front is lit… how do you do that … without another light source (i.e. studio lights) They even interview the head honcho from Hasselblad for the moon project (that’s the company that… Read more »

Fast Eddy
Fast Eddy
Jul 15, 2021 2:51 AM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

Try expanding this — check out the loose panels and tape hahahaha

The debunkers admit to the tape but say they used it because rivets would pop in the extreme temps…

But then if you WATCH American Moon – they show other parts that are clearly riveted together hahahahahaha
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But if you won’t watch … I can’t help you …. you will be trapped forever in DelusiSTAN…. (and as you can see I am dedicated to helping …)

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Jul 15, 2021 4:24 AM
Reply to  Fast Eddy

You obviously haven’t read the debunking properly, Eddy. The pressure vessel inside was riveted while the blanket was not. Please look at the comment on the photographs made by the debunker above. They cherry-picked the photographs and, of course, we can see the moon rover cover an extensive area of brightly and evenly lit surface. I watched American Moon as I’ve said and I thought the comments on the photographs were semi-compelling, however, the debunking explains them perfectly. The fall off is due to shadowed ground and they cherry-picked the photographs. This is my final comment on the moon landings, Eddy. All I will say is that you must look at the debunking very, very carefully and you should watch Moon Machines. You have been completely and thoroughly indoctrinated by moon hoax stuff – exactly what the perps wanted in order to undermine your ability to call out the real… Read more »

Fast Eddy
Fast Eddy
Jul 15, 2021 4:55 AM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

It’s taped together… taped together… think about that… temperatures that range from +200 to = 200F…. and they are holding it together with tape.

Did you see those white panels that are handing loose from the upper left side of the vehicle?

Does the debunker explains any any of this?

Watch the documentary…

Fast Eddy
Fast Eddy
Jul 15, 2021 5:00 AM
Reply to  Fast Eddy

Does the debunker explain what’s going on in this leaked raw footage?

Very clearly the astronauts are faking being in lunar orbit… they are in low Earth orbit….

This is NASA raw footage darlin….

https://youtu.be/bdQHKf48Mfw?t=1921

Fast Eddy
Fast Eddy
Jul 15, 2021 4:45 AM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

Let’s listen in to what a pro photograph says happened when he tried to shoot in cold weather in Russia… which is a fraction of the temperatures encountered on the moon….

The camera mechanism freezes up and jams … and the film becomes brittle and breaks….

But of course the camera continues to work in – 200+ F and the magical film doesn’t freeze and break hahahahahaha….

Seriously …. I guarantee if you watch you will do as I did and have a laugh afterwards and think ‘how in the hell did I fall for this for all these years!’

Come on – let’s have a chuckle together… it’s ok to admit you were wrong…. I would never say I told you so … it’s just good to have helped someone see….

https://youtu.be/KpuKu3F0BvY?t=9072

Fast Eddy
Fast Eddy
Jul 15, 2021 5:03 AM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

Let’s have a peak at how Buzz Aldrin reacts when shown that leaked photo of him and Neil faking being in lunar orbit…. fabulous stuff!

The directory corner Buzz another time with this … and Buzz punches him in the face hahahaha.

Let’s watch the interview

https://youtu.be/gLa3_chZCsE?t=131

Cassandra
Cassandra
Jul 12, 2021 12:31 AM

Thank you for a beautiful piece. Love that memory of your dad and your first coffee. Yes, I am always grateful for rain.

Peter Jennings
Peter Jennings
Jul 12, 2021 12:05 AM

Rumsfeld. A vicious and spiteful spoiled brat lived the life of greasy poles. Having independence from Blighty doesn’t mean an absence of absolute rule by despots.

Announcing a 2 trillion dollar deficit two days before targeting the very same office in the pentagon tasked with the investigation, was taking the piss IMO.

It’s a shame on the human race that viruses are created to kill old people when a virus that targets those who consider warmongering to be a lifelong career would be far more beneficial.
As far as we can tell we are alone in this universe yet we do little to stop these people ruining the only habitable planet with their weapons of mass destruction. The damage left behind they blame on the public and fossil fuels.

Fast Eddy
Fast Eddy
Jul 12, 2021 1:51 AM
Reply to  Peter Jennings

Since when have we not been ruled by despots?

Victor G.
Victor G.
Jul 12, 2021 12:38 PM
Reply to  Fast Eddy

Barcelona – late 1930s

Fast Eddy
Fast Eddy
Jul 13, 2021 1:46 AM
Reply to  Victor G.

As we have seen… those types of governments often end up as the most despotic of all.

Jim McDonagh
Jim McDonagh
Jul 11, 2021 11:09 PM

Good read and topical as Rumsfeld made millions as a stake holder in the Tamiflu fake vaccine for bird flu scam some years ago .

Edwige
Edwige
Jul 11, 2021 11:01 PM

Rumsfeld was a member of Bohemian Grove and chaired the RAND Corporation for much of the 1980s.

Kalen
Kalen
Jul 11, 2021 10:53 PM

Off-topic Wonder why price of crude oil skyrocketed in last half a year or so. pipelines broke? No. OPEC + Russia collusion to collapse oil production? No. China rebound demand? Peak traveling season? No. Peak oil? No. The real answer is because from 2016-2019 effectively bankrupt US shale oil industry got bailed out by .. big banks and Wall Street and probably Saudi interests buying from these companies oil price hedges guaranteeing them minimum price about 35-45 dollars and maximum price of about $50-$60 per barrel in return for total exclusivity in trade in covered year. By that shall oil industry was effectively taken out of the market. What resulted was in 2021 unwillingness of shale oil companies to lose millions of barrels and billions of dollars in todays market so they purposefully collapsed their production numbers to limit loses of profit refusing to essentially giving away crude oil while… Read more »

Fast Eddy
Fast Eddy
Jul 12, 2021 1:56 AM
Reply to  Kalen

Conventional oil and gas discoveries have fallen by the wayside since the shale boom and the subsequent oil price collapse. In fact, they’ve fallen to their lowest in 70 years. But there are still some amazing discoveries in the mysterious deep.  All in all, this year has seen new discoveries of nearly 8 billion barrels of oil equivalent, compared to 10 billion barrels of oil equivalent discovered last year.  But what’s most striking is that new discoveries aren’t even close to keeping pace with the loss of conventional resources. According to Rystad, the current resource replacement ratio for conventional resources is only 16 percent. In other words, only one barrel out of every six consumed is being replaced with new resources.  So not only has our pace of discovery declined, but discoveries are also in much more challenging geological venues and typically offshore, which means it could take many years just… Read more »

Fast Eddy
Fast Eddy
Jul 12, 2021 1:57 AM
Reply to  Kalen

Conventional Discoveries Have Fallen to Lowest Levels in 70 Years; Major Rebound Unlikely, IHS Markit Says
https://news.ihsmarkit.com/prviewer/release_only/slug/energy-conventional-discoveries-have-fallen-lowest-levels-70-years-major-rebound-unlik

susan mullen
susan mullen
Jul 11, 2021 10:34 PM

Rumsfeld was heavily involved in pharma, was chairman of Gilead (Remdesivir) from 1997 til 2001 when he joined Bush #2 admin. but retained his Gilead stock which in 2005 was valued at $5 to $25 million. He stood to profit greatly from global respiratory epidemics/pandemics. It has become much too profitable to sell us out. The only way we’ll ever be free is by breaking up the US into multiple parts. For example, southwest US could join Mexico.

Sophie - Admin1
Admin
Sophie - Admin1
Jul 12, 2021 6:19 AM
Reply to  susan mullen

The ’empire’ isn’t the physical US. The empire is a locus of power and privilege that is supranational. Currently it seems to be ditching the US and moving to fresh fields.

martin
martin
Jul 12, 2021 2:07 PM

Mars I hope.

Martin Usher
Martin Usher
Jul 11, 2021 9:21 PM

I’ve tried to get into the heads of people like Rumsfeld but I keep drawing a blank. His single minded obsession with invading Iraq despite all of the evidence that said that the WMD premise was false could only have had one explanation — the notion that an invasion was planned well beforehand and all that was holding it up was a suitable opportunity. I will never forget our compliant media, the way that blatant lies were explained away, and dissenters like Hans Blix were trashed, everything sacrificed to the need to conform. Its a lesson in mistrust, one that’s returned to haunt us because now when anyone from the government or mass media opens their mouth to make an assertion its automatically questioned. The unfortunate truth is, though, they don’t care. They have their bubble and from inside it they continue to create global mayhem — why is anyone’s… Read more »

Penelope
Penelope
Jul 11, 2021 10:44 PM
Reply to  Martin Usher

Hi Martin! I’m in SoCal too. The key to understanding Rumsfeld is simply to see him as a part of the gangster-cabal who intend to rule the world. The Middle East was potentially a rival culture– ME countries have related languages & religions. Twice they nearly united their political/military resistance to the Euro/American juggernaut– once under Haile Selassie, and once under Bashar al-Assad’s father. Worst of all, they’ve a tradition of a non-usury monetary system.

Hence the Cebrowski Doctrine, taught at Westpoint. Some call it the Rumsfeld/Cebrowski Doctrine.

In trying to understand a public figure one just naturally applies a degree of logic to normal motivation. But the high-level PTB are psychopaths– like very organized serial killers, but not content to merely control & torment a FEW victims. For them the meaning of life is to transform all Others to mere tools to their own Will.

Howard
Howard
Jul 12, 2021 3:09 AM
Reply to  Penelope

When speaking of incipient Middle East unity, don’t forget Gamal Abdel Nasser of Egypt. Had he lived, the Middle East would not be in shambles today.

Penelope Powell
Penelope Powell
Jul 12, 2021 7:28 AM
Reply to  Howard

Howard, you’re right– Nasser was another great man. I cried when they killed Muammar Gaddafi. People don’t understand how much he achieved or how just he was. They saw only his eccentricities. All memory of the real man has been wiped out by Western lies. He was on the verge of inaugurating a gold-backed currency to invest in Middle East development projects. They went in and stole all the gold afterwards– flew it out of Libya.

Cyndee J
Cyndee J
Jul 13, 2021 4:21 AM

Gaffafi truly cared about his people or so it seemed.
As the recent world leaders including Tanzania and Haiti who dared stand up to the cabal. And died martyrs.

Edith
Edith
Jul 11, 2021 11:06 PM
Reply to  Martin Usher

Learn astrology it does help to understand these people and their motivations…well we all know power is the main one but the drivers are usually childhood transits to natal points…I.e. I keep being suspicious that b gates had some problem from a very early childhood illness that he thinks could have been prevented with his beloved vax..thus his obsession….so many of these people have self confidence and lack of worth issues…and Donald being born in 1932 had the echo of stock exchange crash and poverty staring them all in the face…no one was ever going to tell him he was wrong with mercury in Leo… saturn and friends started to take him out last year…and neptune was always going to get him…and did…I don’t know what he actually died from on the certificate but it was a very busy death…but Venus is usually kind to all of us at death… Read more »

Edith
Edith
Jul 11, 2021 11:10 PM
Reply to  Edith

Meant to add….at least he got warning of impending death….unlike the poor bastards he organised bombs to rain down upon…

Fast Eddy
Fast Eddy
Jul 12, 2021 2:26 AM
Reply to  Edith

Did you know…. that there was a movement in the US to free up slaves and repatriate them to a Liberia in the late 18th century. You will never guess what the former slaves did when they arrived in Liberia. Come on … take a guess! Ah never mind… I’ll tell you … they enslaved the native people of Liberia! Then of course we have the Jews — heavily persecuted for centuries… do they look at the Palestinians and say — you poor fellas.. we know how it feels… how can we help? And then the US — built on revolution … happily smashing revolutions across the world for a hundred+ years now…. What you folks desire is akin to asking a lion to not eat a wounded gazelle. The thing is … We are all complicit in these atrocities… even if we criticize the policies… the reason we live… Read more »

rubberheid
rubberheid
Jul 12, 2021 8:00 AM
Reply to  Fast Eddy

test convictions? well FE, why are you still here? you want an extinction event remember, “we” deserve it, remember? so take yourself right off that cliff or straight under that bus with your convictions.

Fast Eddy
Fast Eddy
Jul 12, 2021 8:17 AM
Reply to  rubberheid

But wouldn’t that be futile given there would still be nearly 8B others left who continue to destroy the planet.

And I want to be around for the Big Reveal… that’s when we get to see exactly what these Injections will do to us… I am on Team Bossche — they’ll create a ‘Marek’s’ outcome (deadly variants) and we’ll all die.

Plus it’s ski season down here… I am hoping we can make it till the end of September.

In the meantime I will continue to bring these fabulous insights to all of you so you can have fun downvoting me 🙂

Victor G.
Victor G.
Jul 12, 2021 1:48 PM
Reply to  Fast Eddy

Don’t Bogart that joint, Eddy …

SEF
SEF
Jul 14, 2021 6:04 PM
Reply to  Victor G.

😆😂🤣

rubberheid
rubberheid
Jul 12, 2021 3:35 PM
Reply to  Fast Eddy

such selfishness and an absence of conviction! you crave an extinction but you want to survive. Right you are Eddy. Is your real name Ken? I won’t sate your desire for a downvote, but I do recommend you gain clarity or pick a side.

Fast Eddy
Fast Eddy
Jul 13, 2021 1:03 AM
Reply to  rubberheid

Yes I am conflicted… Mr DNA who wants to call the shots from deep within me… says ‘I want to live’… but I’ve thwarted him by refusing to breed… so I do have veto power…. However I am having so much fun as we slide into the final phase of civilization … you would have thought that someone who understands the oil issue — and recognizes we have very little time left… would fall into deep despair … On the contrary … since realizing this over a decade ago … I’ve taken the opportunity to embark on so many great adventures… I did all the things that people say they wished they had done but are now too old… I’ve been on an ice breaker through the Northwest Passage… travelled on a slow train through Burma… hiked in remote areas of Patagonia… slept in the desert with Bedouins… haggled with… Read more »

Sophie - Admin1
Admin
Sophie - Admin1
Jul 13, 2021 8:22 AM
Reply to  Fast Eddy

but I’ve thwarted him by refusing to breed

No offence, but did you ever really have the option?

Fast Eddy
Fast Eddy
Jul 13, 2021 8:47 AM

Well… I did wait until I was 42 to get married… not because of lack of options … rather the opposite.

A single male living in Hong Kong … tends to have … options … shall we say.

My wife has also vetoed Mr DNA… children vs travel… travel won…

We could roll in a Tesla to flash some faux green creds… but we instead walk the walk by just saying no

I can’t get enough of this … let’s watch again!

https://youtu.be/rcx-nf3kH_M

What’s your story Sophie?

Howard
Howard
Jul 12, 2021 3:16 AM
Reply to  Edith

Supposedly he died of multiple myeloma, which, being a cancer of plasma cells, would indeed be a “very busy death.”

Fast Eddy
Fast Eddy
Jul 12, 2021 2:11 AM
Reply to  Martin Usher

When you operate an Empire… you need to keep countries in line … if you fail to do so … other countries get ideas… because you appear weak… The Pax Romana was peace backed up by the threat of extreme violence I’d recommend watching The Sopranos… there are wannabeTony Soprano’s everywhere… Xi and Putin come to mind Recall how US forces secured the oil fields… they could have cared less about the museums and people… it was not long after this war that conventional oil peaked… I’ve a good mate who was a partner in a global engineering firm … he was responsible for their work in the oil patch in the US… he mentions that around this time there was a huge push from clients ‘to get as much oil out of the ground as possible’…. all projects were accelerated … This was the beginning of a desperate battle… Read more »

Edith
Edith
Jul 12, 2021 4:53 AM
Reply to  Fast Eddy

At some level I don’t doubt that re oil…I sense there is quite a deal of confusion about how to keep the train on the tracks…meanwhile the pharma mob just decided let’s get as much money out while we can…and what may have been left in the kitty was transferred to their bank account via central banks and Wall Street…it is almost like Blackwater now rules the western world… all the lock downs, limits on travel etc appear to be making ready for even more restrictions and after years of being free to waste as much as many liked and take responsibility for little, I suspect my mate pluto in Capricorn still has a bit too run to draw the belt somewhat tighter…most years of this decade do not look good in astrology terms….sometimes I go look and decide it may be better not to know a grim future… a… Read more »

Penelope Powell
Penelope Powell
Jul 12, 2021 7:34 AM
Reply to  Fast Eddy

Fast Eddy, Nossir, Peak Oil is another hoax. Please read Wm Engdahl’s online article “Oil, Where Is Thy Peak?”

Fast Eddy
Fast Eddy
Jul 12, 2021 8:06 AM

Yes of course… oil is infinite right. Conventional oil and gas discoveries have fallen by the wayside since the shale boom and the subsequent oil price collapse. In fact, they’ve fallen to their lowest in 70 years. But there are still some amazing discoveries in the mysterious deep.  All in all, this year has seen new discoveries of nearly 8 billion barrels of oil equivalent, compared to 10 billion barrels of oil equivalent discovered last year.  But what’s most striking is that new discoveries aren’t even close to keeping pace with the loss of conventional resources. According to Rystad, the current resource replacement ratio for conventional resources is only 16 percent. In other words, only one barrel out of every six consumed is being replaced with new resources.  https://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-General/The-Biggest-Oil-Gas-Discoveries-Of-2019.html Keep in mind we’ve been burning nearly 100M barrels PER DAY The problem is not that we are running out of oil… Read more »

Howard
Howard
Jul 12, 2021 5:10 PM

Let me bring out my “broken record” again, if I may. As I’ve said many times in this forum, big capital – which adores nothing more than a fast, easy profit – would not be contemplating mining the ocean floor if resources abounded at ground level.

Here’s my added two cents: trust alternative pundits a little more than mainstream pundits; but don’t trust them completely. Mr Engdahl has made some excellent points – but also some stinkers. Put a pinch of salt on their tails.

Sophie - Admin1
Admin
Sophie - Admin1
Jul 12, 2021 6:19 PM
Reply to  Howard

That’s a very reductionist view of how money is accumulated. Huge govt contracts and subsidies are a favorite way of shifting money from the masses to the elites. The entire peak oil/climate change morass is worth billions. I bet there’s masses of money to be made by firms getting contracts to design machinery to mine the sea bed – whether necessary or not. It’s not big capital. It’s big scam

Penelope
Penelope
Jul 13, 2021 5:55 AM
Reply to  Howard

Howard, because TPTB are taking down industrialized society in the interest of their NWO plentiful, inexpensive energy had to be a target. Petrochemicals is Engdahl’s specialty. Oil & gas are very nearly infinite: there are PRESENT DISCOVERIES supplying a century’s continued use at present rates. Here’s a partial list, w my file notes: http://journal-neo.org/2015/03/29/putin-s-new-mediterranean-strategy/ Engdahl. Cyprus recently confirmed huge deposits of offshore oil and especially natural gas. 12/13 Syrian government signed a 25-year deal with the Russian SoyuzNefteGaz company to explore for oil in the Middle Eastern country’s territorial waters off the Mediterranean coast, southward off Tartus. estimated to be oil and gas reserves comparable to one or more new Saudi Arabia-size regions .  SoyuzNefteGaz main shareholder is RCB. **3/6/12 http://www.voltairenet.org/article173018.html Maps & facts. Engdahl. The discovery in late 2010 of the huge natural gas bonanza off Israel’s Mediterranean shores triggered other neighboring countries to look more closely at their own waters. The results revealed that the entire… Read more »

tony_0pmoc
tony_0pmoc
Jul 11, 2021 9:09 PM

There is nothing wrong with me, (bit old), but I won’t compromise. I will not wear a mask, and be told where to sit. I do not control my wife. She went to the pub to see a band we both really like, and there was a beautiful girl there, who comes from Italy married to a British musician – We know her well. She is lovely. My wife told me 2 minutues before it started, when she got back. She had an Italian image on one cheek, and an English one on the other cheek.. Great Start. Great Final. I did notice the Adverts eg not just VOLKSWAGEN but VOLKSWAGEN.ID COV.ID? All in The Brainwashing Not over Yet. Luke Shaw is a local kid, who plays for Manchester United. If England loses, everyone in England who has the slightest interest in football is going to be even more pissed… Read more »

Sophie - Admin1
Admin
Sophie - Admin1
Jul 13, 2021 8:51 AM
Reply to  tony_0pmoc

There is nothing wrong with me

The way you keep repeating that indicates you’re aware there is a lot wrong with someone who lives in a US time zone but pretends to be a UK resident and posts persistently about his completely invented life.

Penelope
Penelope
Jul 11, 2021 9:02 PM

Let’s become advocates for the future that WE want. What exactly does that world look like, and what are the steps that will take us there? We need a revolution in thought and in vision before we can have a revolution in action. We must discuss it, and make a political platform of it so that we can enact it. If we want to persuade others that this is possible we must offer HOPE, not merely blame cuz they didn’t see the gangsters’ conspiracy sooner. Possibly the most powerful tool of TPTB is their reversal of the incentives. For many people there is currently no choice: They MUST support the gangsters’ agenda in order to get a paycheck. WE must create a vision wherein people are free to act in their own self-interest and still get a paycheck. Where people can follow the dictates of conscience w/o economic fears. Now that’s a restoration of rational incentives. The sine… Read more »

Brewer
Brewer
Jul 11, 2021 8:58 PM

“Or did he pull an Eichmann and say, “I will leap into my grave laughing”?”
Anyone who has taken the time to read the entire transcript of Eichmann’s trial in the light of what is now known will clearly see what inspired this remark.

dr death
dr death
Jul 11, 2021 8:17 PM

It’s unlikely rumsfeldstiltskin or any of the neo-conmen were working tirelessly for ‘america’…

whatever that is..

Toni Ehrlich-Feldman
Toni Ehrlich-Feldman
Jul 11, 2021 8:16 PM

beautiful