9/11 Twentieth anniversary on OffG
OffG will be marking the 20th anniversary of the 9/11 ‘terror attacks’ in various ways throughout the month of September.
Revisiting the evidence will republish some of the key scholarly articles from the past 20 years that exposed the insufficiency of the official story.
The core facts are easily forgotten and often shredded, and downgraded either accidentally or not so accidentally. So going back to the 101 is always a good move. And there may be many here, new to skepticism, for whom it will be new and welcome information.
Covid19/11 is a new series of short films wherein prominent challengers of official orthodoxies share their personal thinking on covid19 and the New a Normal as a continuum of the war on humanity begun on Sep 11 2001. The first of these launches today.
If you have friends in the Truth movement who haven’t yet woken up to the covid scam or friends wise to the scamdemic who still think 19 hijackers brought three buildings down with two planes, we hope our Covid19/11 series might help to reach them and awaken them to the universality of the deceit.
In addition, there will be new commissioned articles, including a look at how the infiltration and destruction of one prominent 9/11 Truth group in 2006 can teach us valuable lessons about the methods and techniques of cointelpro still in use today.
So, stay tuned and watch this space…
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I had a displeasure to watch a BBC doc about 9/11, they showed “witnesses” videos of the twin towers. IT was so cringy and seemed too fake.
There’s a facinating video by Dr Judy Wood on the mechanics of the Twin Towers’ collapse. There was just not enough rubble at the base of the towers to account for their 1 million+ tons of mass. They had literally been turned to dust, as is evident from the video footage. See https://youtu.be/EjhqNbjR6_Q
Total BS.
Did Israel’s prime minister appear on the national US TV on the fateful day?
Did he seem to give the impression that everything is under control for the imminent new stage to reshape the world?
In the following stage, did the US and allies attack and destroyed countries that hate Israel?
I wonder if anyone knows that the entire US Navy Seal team that supposedly killed the evil goat herder and dropped his body out at sea, rather conveniently died in a helicopter crash…
did you ever hear the theory that Barak Obama and Osama bin Laden are in fact the same person…. look at pictures, they are likely the same agent/actor/mason
OMG! That’s why you never see them in the same place at the same time!
Obfuscation to divert the conversation by JAX… Typical 77th Brigade tactics.. IMO.
Yes! Clear and to the point. Thank you
The Commies/ Islamofascists/ Terrorists have simply diminished in size to become microbes hovering everywhere – even inside you!
So you know WTC7 was professionally demo’d and that the corona project is based on data that has no credibility.
Now what ?
Don’t forget to mention your hero Mossange in this topic
Another reality tv character, same with Snowden. Any of these people who avoid the 9/11 issue is spooky.
James Corbett warning of false flag events coming soon to a city near you,or not as the case may be
https://brandnewtube.com/watch/red-alert-false-flag-incoming_dvKqPXOHqI5naII.html
With our life is under vigorous surveillance, and governments now control every breath we take, it is almost certain, the vast majority of events are planned and executed under the supervision of the State.
Well… The usual 9/11 arguments abound. Most forensic evidence was removed or disturbed from the building site’s within a week. Why? Anyone remember Rudy Giuliani???
The best study of evidence was performed by over 3400 licenced architects and engineers. One page of many: > Evidence Overview | AE911Truth
I knew the event was an inside job before the second building hit the ground.
Try burning your way thru a five inch thick piece of core10 steel some day. Use an oxyacetylene torch. If it isn’t set up with exactly the right tip and gas mixture, you will fail. Now try it with an open barrel of burning kerosene. (About the same temperature as aviation fuel.) Wait for eternity, cause that’s about how long you’l be waiting for success…
It doesn’t take rocket science to figure this event out…
‘It doesn’t take rocket science to figure this event out…’
…..
And that there rocket science ain’t so smart and clever as what them there rocket scientits would like to have us believe.
The most bizarre and crazy conspiracy theory about 9/11 Ive ever heard is the one about how the WTC destruction was directed by an old man with a beard and renal failure who lived in cave in some far off land.
Haha probably a typical decoy to make people think that if you question the narrative you are a “conspirancy nut” that believes in this BS..
Or just a schizo in internet…….
Chickens come home to Roost
The War on Terror, now in a neighbourhood near you…
The connection between 9/11 and COVID is simple: there is a bunch of criminals, working behind the scenes, who control your world and your life, and they do so using the most sick, criminal methods imaginable. And all your friends and family who support this system and who refuse to consider there are nefarious elements at work are the reason they are so successful.
Ive seen Project Covid referred to as Project 9/11 on steroids
yet another short illness perhaps?
https://www.hindustantimes.com/entertainment/tv/actor-siddharth-shukla-dies-of-a-heart-attack-mumbai-s-cooper-hospital-101630562780558.html
Died after a short illness is now the new euphemism for ‘definitely died as a result of an experimental medical intervention for a disease that doesn’t exist’
There are hundreds of reports of a similar nature leeching out of the msm ,especially if the person in question is a ‘salabrity’
Soon it will be common parlance and accpted by the subjugated masses without question
“9/11 ‘terror attacks’” ?
NY911Attack: William Cooper’s 10 hour broadcast
Bill Cooper accurately predicted that 9/11 would happen and that Bin Laden would be blamed:
William Cooper Correct 9 11 Prediction
Bin Laden was mentioned in the live 9/11 coverage even before the towers were demolished.
I recall that wacky George Galloway saying that the moment he saw the towers collapse he “knew it was that bastard Bin Laden” wot dunnit. Now I reckon our GG is either a well placed spook or a rectum tonguing little groveller who knows all too well what his handlers want him to say.
just like Lee Harvey was ,it is all connected!
Yes, there is a connection between 9/11 and Covid.
9/11 was intended to transform the percipient into perspicacity such that after two decades of research they’d by then recognise and understand Covid.
Turn perception to knowledge so 20 years later they would understand ? Bhat yo” yalkin’ bout Billis?
On mulling over the comments of John Pretty – who I am more convinced than ever is our new resident house troll – I have come to a much better fundamental understanding of how the basic strategies of Western mind control work.
Our John mewled about being charged with “heresy” – a familiar complaint of those taking the victim role. The opponents, i.e. myself and other critics of the received wisdom, are accused of being “fanatics”. A fanatical critic is an oxymoron. What is being critiqued – the official accounts – are the dogmas, the faiths. Consider:
These are the faiths fanatically asserted. And yet to query them is to be accused of being a “fanatic” who denounces all opponents as “heretics”. This is a neat reversal which rests on the appeal to reason, logic etc. but which is utterly bogus and manipulative.
I have known people who I take to be sincere who indulge in the above chicanery because it has become second nature in this vast psych ward we live in. And when you challenge them on this, they usually fall back on another position: “Oh I didn’t mean to imply one side was fanatical. They both are!” This is even more insufferable than the first tactic which at least took up a definite position whereas here we have the old “plague on both their houses” mantra. Mr Pretty took this to an extreme in a previous exchange where he seemed to suggest that your positon on these matters was a kind of faith and we had to respect each other’s position! A stupendously vacuous notion.
These are two fundamental strategies in public mind control and the fact that so many – even in the “critical” community – have unthinkingly adopted these methods is an indication of how successful the conditioning has been.
Here’s something nobody ever seems to mention re Lee Harvey Oswald:
In 1979 there was a supposed “Assasination attempt” on Jimmy Carter, they arrested two people. Lee Harvey, and Oswaldo Espinoza-Ortiz!
https://issuu.com/kynize/docs/the_assassination_attempt_on_jimmy_
just another one of those cooky coincidences, nothing to see here 🙂
No i’m not new to this site, so I can confidently testify paranoid Marxists still infest this place, I know nothing of the person you speak neither have I read any of his comments.
However I do remember you, which is one reason I stopped frequenting this comments section. It never ceases to amaze me to see people that call themselves “socialists” being deliberately divisive & anti social towards people that don’t share collectivist opinions.
Beware the governments new online harms bill is being rolled especially to silence people like you who abuse free speech!
yes yes that’s right.. the governments going to save you from criticism and the desperate need for self reflection… (because it really cares about you and your ‘welfare’ and ‘mental health’.. or lack of it)..
poor things… no doubt you’ll all be just fine when you come into the regimes cross-hairs for wrong think… after all you are all good little compliant citizens…
running to ‘big mother’ when someone on the internet fwitens you..
‘imbeciles that give up freedoms for so called security… will get neither’…
“Free speech” is impossible to abuse. So which is it: “free” or “abusive?” It cannot be both at the same time.
More to the point, George Mc has had the courtesy to make his position crystal clear; John Pretty has not.
Several, myself included, have noted that it’s impossible to tell from John Pretty’s comments what he means or where he stands on any issue. That alone is a big “red flag.”
“It’s for me to know and for you to find out” is a position best left to school children.
Frankly, I think it’s cute how some still cling to the duad, throwing rocks at percieved ‘socialists’ and ‘fascists’ and expecting big mommy tech to come when they call to sort it out when nasty words burn their tiny souls.
It’s so twentieth century and boring as fuck. We are standing against a technocracy now, something neither Adam Smith nor Karl Marx anticipated. I can only hope people figure it out faster than they have been.
Well I reckon you’ll have a lot in common with our John, AS. You’ll like his vacuous posturings which are, after all, not part of that Evil Collective which you bold radical completely free libertarian superheroes will level to the ground as you blaze your way into ecstatic individual onanism.
“being deliberately divisive & anti social towards people that don’t share collectivist opinions.”
Irony alert! Don’t be divisive by being collective?
You’d think we’d know more about 9/11, 7/7, JFK Assasination if we were all supporters of the Official Conspiracy Theory?
Supporters of Official Conspiracy Theories hide truth and history.
We are no longer conspiracy theorists we are ‘spoiler alerters’ and we need some new theories as all ours keep coming true
Today i shall don my tinfoil hat with pride ,salute the photograph of Her Majesty the repitilian overlord which hangs in my hall and venture forth into a world of maskd,shamed and subjugated simpletons as they take their children to the government mandated slaughter
At least when i return i will be able to remove my tinfoil hat,how those foolish enough think they are going to remove the spike proteins coursing through their ,and their childrens veins is quite beyond my premonition capabilities
On Saturday, July 28, 1945, Lieutenant Colonel William F. Smith Jr. was piloting a B-25 Mitchell bomber on a routine personnel transport mission from Bedford Army Air Field in Massachusetts to Newark Metropolitan Airport in New Jersey.[2][3][4] Smith asked for clearance to land, but he was advised of zero visibility.[5] Proceeding anyway, he became disoriented by the fog and turned right instead of left after passing the Chrysler Building.[6]
At 9:40 a.m., the aircraft crashed into the north side of the Empire State Building, between the 78th and 80th floors, making an 18-by-20-foot (5.5 m × 6.1 m) hole in the building[7] into the offices of the War Relief Society and the National Catholic Welfare Council. One engine shot through the south side opposite the impact and flew as far as the next block, dropping 900 feet (270 m) and landing on the roof of a nearby building and causing a fire that destroyed a penthouse art studio. The other engine and part of the landing gear fell down an elevator shaft. The resulting fire was extinguished in 40 minutes. The Empire State Building fire is the only significant fire at such a height[vague] to be brought under control by firefighters.[7]
Between 50 and 60 sightseers were on the 86th floor observation deck when the crash happened. Fourteen people were killed: Colonel Smith, Staff Sergeant Christopher Domitrovich, and Navy Aviation Machinist’s Mate Albert Perna, who was hitching a ride, and eleven civilians in the building.[1] Perna’s body was not found until two days later, when search crews discovered that it had entered an elevator shaft and fallen to the bottom. The other two crewmen were burned beyond recognition.[8] Elevator operator Betty Lou Oliver was thrown from her elevator car on the 80th floor and suffered severe burns. First aid workers placed her on another elevator car to transport her to the ground floor, but the cables supporting that elevator had been damaged in the incident, and it fell 75 stories, ending up in the basement.[9] Oliver survived the fall but had a broken pelvis, back and neck when rescuers found her amongst the rubble.[10] This remains the world record for the longest survived elevator fall.[6]
Despite the damage and loss of life, the building was open for business on many floors on the next Monday morning, less than 48 hours later. The crash spurred the passage of the long-pending Federal Tort Claims Act of 1946, as well as the insertion of retroactive provisions into the law, allowing people to sue the government for the accident.[10]
GOSH gosh gosh . . . The Empire’s Building didn’t just collapse in a footprint cloud of radioactive dust???
My goodness.. . .
1945 Empire State Building B-25 crash
Look it up .. . . hey but y should u
Erm… “Radioactive dust”? There is no reliable information regarding radioactive elements being measured at the former World Trade Center’s location.
There is however; forensic evidence that buildings 1, 2, 4, 6, and 7 were all destroyed by high grade thermite charges. Few were ever made aware that all five buildings were brought down with military grade thermite. Read Christopher Bollyn’s excellent work, just for starters. An excerpt: Christopher Bollyn
Just imagine the destruction it would have caused if the B-25 crew had had boxcutters!
I never knew! Thanks! I did try to learn more by following each of your links, but most led me to Off-G’s (?!?) “Page Not Found”; others to this page, and one to Off-G’s article “Waiting for the Old Bailey: Julian Assange and Britain’s Judicial Establishment”; not a single one worked. WTF? No worries, I’ll find out the old-fashioned way. 🙂
What has troubled me from the start is this: if or when the truth finally comes out,will anyone be paying attention? Or will there be a another freaky event that is even more dangerous to our freedom and 9/11 starts to seem relatively insignificant?
jimbo awaiting the torturous ‘spam check’ SHEESH
I remember thinking the same – that one day these neoc**ts and their supporters will be exposed for their crimes against humanity.
I fantasised that some video or recording of their scheming would be leaked and we could get rid of the fuckers and get on with our lives.
20 years later after watching my fellow humans quiver and shake because they have been instructed a virus is out to get them by the same people who brought us 9/11 – I don’t think it will ever happen and a great awakening will only happen after some cataclysmic event.
The veil was lifted off the Nazis only after the damage had been done and it was too much to bear; will it be the same now… ? will we watch a somber film showing us piles of bodies of the vaxxed and the unvaxxed* solemnly telling us “never again” ? Will we ever heed that advice?
*the unvaxxed will be openly slaughtered for their crimes or something like that.
Absolutely correct I think it’s obvious to many that both the JFK assassination and 9/11 were inside jobs, but it doesn’t really bother them much! People are just living in their little bubbles and will tolerate unfathomable madness. Including covid.
no we will say “Wir haben es nicht gewusst” ( we did not know about this) a term used many times by the self acclaimed innocent of the horrors of WW2
More Twisted Definitions…
“Did you think vaccinated meant they hadnt been vaccinated ? Think again !”
https://tinyurl.com/yhx9gmx2 (15 min)
Posted on Nexus magazine site. 2 September 2021.
Correction: “Did you think UNvaccinated meant….”
Did you guys look at the best evidence out there, that of Dr. Judy Wood? Her website drjudywood.com She wrote an entire book on the evidence, no extrapolations on who did it, just compiled evidence. I hope you got that into your article or video.
If you do not have Dr. Judy Wood as the central discussion of this issue, sorry but you have dropped a lot in terms of credibility.
Even ‘truthers’ won’t be associated with Judy Wood. She has been well and truly trashed. They ridicule her with ‘space beams’ etc so that people won’t even read her thesis before they dismiss it. I have her book. It is wholly scientific, free of speculation, and very very enlightening. I have a PhD in knowledge construction and social narratives and have read all the 9/11 theories. This one alone pulls all the strands together and makes sense of the whole thing. I believe AE9/11truth is a holding tank to keep critical thinkers away from Judy.
I too read Dr Wood’s book – and found it considerably less than “wholly scientific.” But that’s okay since she’s proposing a kind of technology which has yet to be utilized (so far as we know) – but which almost certainly does exist.
What bothered me most about Dr Wood’s book was her outright dismissal of the demolition thesis. Her primary evidence against it was the apparent pulverization and “dustification” of the building; and her insistence that demolition could not possibly have done that.
Yet it seems to have been only the top floors and the antenna atop one of the buildings which were dustified. Who can say how matter falling from such a height, if it was demolished, would react?
It was also disingenuous of Dr Wood to consider it insulting that anyone should pin her down on exactly where the dustifier might have been located. In other words, that wasn’t her concern. Why not?
How do you explain the seismic impact being negligible?
You mean the 2.1 earthquake when the South Tower collapsed? and the 2.3 quake when the North Tower collapsed?
Besides which, New York City sits atop one of the hardest pieces of bedrock on the planet. It’s a compressed mountain range.
How great a seismic impact should there have been?
Stew Peters is awake to the scamdemic, but still believes that 2 planes brought down3 buildings.
Stew Peters is even more hyperbolic than Alex Jones (OK maybe it’s a tie). Same M.O. IMO.
i.e. controlled op.
It is good to keep pointing out the inconsistencies, contradictions and blatant omissions in the official narrative,
But alas we shall never get to bottom of the truth of 9/11.
No more than we shall ever find the truth of JFK.
For those who have hope of some kind of revelation after 50, or 100 years..
There are still unsolved mysteries surrounding the deaths of presidents Abraham Lincoln & Zachary Taylor!
https://unsolved.com/gallery/john-wilkes-booth/
https://m.dailykos.com/stories/2005/5/29/117856/-
Namely that powerful “benevolent” entities (?the state or is it the bankers) will commit atrocities in its own interest.
The laws of physics are true, we do know that 2 planes did not bring down 3 steel frame hi rises, that’s all we need to know.
The “Spike Protein” fits my definition of “Internal (domestic) Terrorist.”
Questions for the scholars:
1. Why did they bring down WTC-7 on 9/11 so self-incriminatingly when they brought down WTCs 3, 4, 5 and 6 after 9/11 and we don’t know when those buildings were brought down or exactly how.
2. Who filmed it from the seven perspectives we see shown in this footage of WTC-7 to the song Fee Fallin’ by Tom Petty?
https://youtu.be/Vgx8Uwo-Vxc
Now that is the kind of direction I like. Sometimes it feels like they want to taunt us… Get conspiracy theorists hysterical and make fun of them… Show them who’s the boss. It’s a perversion that some people in power get, form of bullying isn’t it
WTC 3, 4, 5 and 6 were clearly brought down via gradual demolitions, these were shown.
They were still standing after WTC7 came down.
http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/attack/wtc3.html
Why WTC7? There is excellent evidence to the effect that it was supposed to come down at the same time as the main towers, but the demolition failed, had to be redone, there were explosions in it, as senior city employee Barry Jennings who was trapped inside for an hour experienced. Why was it brought down? I believe it was the HQ for the op and this needed to be covered up, plus lots of records in it which large corporations wanted destroyed, evidence of legal wrongdoing.
Thanks for the link to the photos showing the gradual demolitions of the other buildings, Jeffrey. I think you will agree though that even if the photos of the demolitions of the other buildings are available there’s very little publicity of them. Most people don’t even know that all the WTC buildings came down, they’re really only aware of the twin towers or the twin towers plus WTC-7.
Where is this evidence and how do we know that Barry Jennings wasn’t an actor in the 9/11 charade?
The operation didn’t end with the collapse of WTC-7 so the answer that it held HQ doesn’t have a lot of weight apart from the fact that even if the building did hold HQ so what? (Also, if it was meant to come down at the same time as the twin towers that doesn’t support HQ either. Which hypothesis are you plumping for here, Jeffrey?) Why did it need to be brought down in self-incriminating fashion on the day? They could have blocked off the floor/s HQ was on or whatever. The same for the records, they didn’t need to be destroyed on the day.
I point out, Jeffrey, you didn’t attempt an answer to question 2.
I will put my two questions again plus a third and what I’d like anyone responding to the questions to do is attempt to answer all three questions.
1. Why did they bring down WTC-7 on 9/11 so self-incriminatingly (regardless of it being possible HQ for the operation which isn’t very compelling when we think the operation didn’t end with the collapse of the building) when they brought down WTCs 3, 4, 5 and 6 after 9/11 in discreet fashion by gradual demolition after 9/11.
2. Who filmed it from the seven perspectives we see shown in this footage of WTC-7 to the song Fee Fallin’ by Tom Petty?
https://youtu.be/Vgx8Uwo-Vxc
3. At the end of the above video we hear the following dialogue between newscaster, Brian Williams, and FDNY EMS Lieutenant, David Restuccio. Do you think the dialogue was scripted or candid? Give your reasons for either.
“Can you confirm it was No 7 that just went in?” [“Went in” is a term used in controlled demolition that comes from the fact that the buildings fall in on themselves.]
“Yes, sir.”
“And you guys knew this was comin’ all day.”
“We had heard reports that the building was unstable and that eventually it would either come down on its own or it would be taken down.”
Barry Jennings died “unexpectedly” right before the NIST final report on WTC7 came out (later amended to acknowledge free fall acceleration for over 2 seconds). He was with another NYC employee.
http://911blogger.com/news/2008-09-18/david-ray-griffin-911-interview-michael-hess-evidence-nist-lied-about-when-he-and-barry-jennings-were-rescued
““We had heard reports that the building was unstable and that eventually it would either come down on its own or it would be taken down.””
There is no way the building would have come down in 5-6 seconds just due to a gravity-induced collapse, and for over 2 seconds achieve free fall acceleration, as if there was no frame beneath the falling debris. Very simple physics. I studied engineering, but this is basic 8th grade science, free fall acceleration requires zero resistance.
“if it was meant to come down at the same time as the twin towers that doesn’t support HQ either. Which hypothesis are you plumping for here, Jeffrey?) Why did it need to be brought down in self-incriminating fashion on the day?” Trying again. It was not meant to come down many hours later. By the time it was supposed to come down, all the important stuff of the op had been done. And in any event, hardly anyone asked questions anyway. Most people still don’t even know about WTC7. I did a 9/11 lit table for many years, Most people who stopped by had never heard of it, including many engineers, even structural engineers, one was from UC Berkeley, he was astounded. By the time it came down, the vast majority of people were in shock, you could have told them anything and they would have believed it, newscasters passed it off as “It was undermined by the collapse of the main towers,” as if felled by earthquake-like tremors.
What they told us. While they do actually kill people, as they’re doing in this alleged pandemic with vaccines and aggressive drug trials and in other ways, many reported suspicious deaths are fakes targeted at those who don’t believe their stories to make them think something happened which didn’t – or alternatively fake deaths targeted at people who do believe their stories.
I’m afraid your answer to the first question isn’t particularly compelling. Being the HQ for the operation doesn’t necessitate bringing the building down in self-incriminating fashion on the day and then there’s questions 2 and 3.
Barry Jennings had surviving relatives and people who had known him for years.This is the most thorough article there is on WTC7. Take it or leave it.
https://www.globalresearch.ca/the-mysterious-collapse-of-wtc-seven/15201
If the building was the HQ, there would be stuff in there which would be incriminating, not to mention the numerous other legal records, e.g. the SEC office. And you keep saying “self-incriminating,” as if very many people even noticed. Re 2, the building was filmed from more than one angle. The 911 Research page has lots of video material. Re 3, not sure what your point is. The FDNY person is BS, there was no reason the building would just fall the way it did if it were “compromised.” Scripted answer, as i’ve said.
Barry Jennings: You don’t think they involve whole families and friends, Jeffrey?
2. Yes, my point is that the building was filmed from at least 7 perspectives. WHO filmed it Jeffrey? Who filmed it and why?
3. Yes, people didn’t notice at the time, Jeffrey, but AFTERWARDS where are all the truther heads focused?
So you agree scripted? So what do you make of FDNY EMS Lieutenant David Restuccio and Brian Williams being in on the murder of all those first responders as well as everyone else?
Petra, why don’t you explain to me and the rest of us how the building could have come down at free fall acceleration without demolition being involved? Surely you know the physics, no?
In fact, very few “truther heads” (nice derogatory language) even noticed WTC7 till a few people started calling attention to it in 2003, prominent 9/11 people such as Mike Ruppert in fact put down the idea of demolition re ANY of the WTC towers.
Re 2. Various people filmed the events as they unfolded. Like i said, check out the 911 Research page.
Of course it was a demolition, where do you get the idea I think it wasn’t.
“Truther heads” – don’t mean that to be derogatory, Jeffrey, I’m a truther too.
How was it that the people who filmed it had their cameras poised for the 6.5 second collapse when the building wasn’t showing any signs of collapse just prior? Who were the seven people poised at the seven vantage points all ready to film the collapse when there were no signs of collapse in the building right until the moment before its 6.5 second collapse?
People had been filming all day. And there were several reports of the building coming down before it happened, remember? Fox, BBC, CNN, that’s in the article i linked to, “The Mysterious Collapse.” And why were people filming the Twin Towers when they collapsed, from many angles, including from across the river in New Jersey?
I don’t know of a single 9/11 truth activist (and i know many) who would refer to themselves as a “truther.” It’s an Orwellian derogatory term.
Heaven knows how many people from all over the world have been researching,arguing and discussing the fine details of the ‘freefall collapse’ issue (and the many other aspects) for almost 20 years.
How about if the collapse footage was also faked/CGI?
‘But that’s just crazy!’ I also thought.
PsyOp 101!
People i know were there and saw it, known people are in the videos, including Amy Goodman, and it was on live TV.
IMHO the entire ruse is all about fabricated ambiguity, in that, 20 yrs on many that still search for answers (and not just 9/11) are split asunder into theorising groups, all it seems desperately trying to fathom the in-fathomable that in this potentially beautiful world we share there are groups who seem hell bent on making the experience as nasty as possible??
In the same vein as we have “i believe the is no virus” vs “i know its a scam, but i do believe there is a virus”.
What better way to flumox your enemy than keep them arguing amongst themselves?
And thus clear the path for whatever else fairground fun ride you have planned for say………September 2021.
Spending time re-visiting the past crimes will surely distract our view of what is happening, right now, because yes i believe they enjoy the tease, it gives them a thrill, fuck em i say
Exactly but the thing is they always tell us the truth underneath the propaganda and seriously anyone can work out there isn’t a virus – they don’t even really know what a virus is let alone be able to control it and they only do in psyops what they want for real and fake the rest. That’s the golden rule! They don’t WANT a virus, they only want us to believe in one. I KNEW there wouldn’t be a virus even before the scientific evidence clearly showed there wasn’t one.
The truth is so easy when you understand psyop MO. For 9/11 they didn’t want to kill people (while a tiny number may have been killed for whatever reason) while for this pandemic they are definitely killing people with the vaccine, aggressive drug trials and in other ways. Why? I do not know. Some say depopulation but I don’t think that’s it somehow.
What constitutes a tiny number? 3? 30? 300? If it was ‘only’ 300 does that justify ignoring them to make a point? Why does alleged ‘fake death’ matter more than the real death? Why does alleged ‘fake death’ matter more than the controlled demolition that killed the really dead people?
Shall we agree, Sophie, that the perps know the best form of propaganda to keep the truth suppressed so whether you or I think that it matters whether death was real or fake is not so relevant. The perps think it is because they implemented an absolutely MASSIVE campaign targeted at the anticipated disbelievers of their story to maintain their belief in real death and injury.
We have:
The PNAC document stating that a ruthless catalysing event was required.
Bob McIlvaine, April Gallop, the Jersey Widows, William Rodriguez, Richard Grove, and so many other loved ones, witnesses, colleagues, etc
The anti-Israel show
The people targeted in the buildings theme
The injured such as Marlene Cruz, the miracle survivors such as Pasquale Buzzelli
And I’m sure quite a lot of other stuff that escapes me now.
Some of the people above do double duty for the mainstream propaganda campaign too of course but not people such as Bob McIlvaine, he’s targeted at the disbelievers, because he alludes to controlled demolition and disses the 9/11 Commission and so on.
There is no reason to think anyone at all died, Sophie, no one at all, it was an exercise – then again this pandemic is an exercise and they’re killing people but obviously they WANT to kill people in this pandemic, quite a lot of people – far more than allegedly died on 9/11. I do not know why they want to kill people now but there is no sign they wanted to kill people then and what’s more important is there is no evidence AT ALL of a single death or injury. There simply is no evidence and there is no reason to think they killed anyone but they may have. If they did deliberately kill people or people died accidentally I’d hazard that it was no more than say 10. 30 is getting to be a bit large and 300 is definitely a very significant number and we’d wonder why, why would they go out of their way to kill those people and how would they target them?
This is all I say Sophie:
There is not a skerrick of evidence that favours real death or injury over staged for a single person on 9/11 so if we follow the evidence we simply say “Death and injury were staged”. This doesn’t rule out people being killed either accidentally or deliberately but generally we can say, “Death and injury were staged.” If you think there is a good reason to say “Death and injury weren’t staged,” please give it to me.
Can you try to keep your answers shorter and to the point. I mined your looong post and found the only part relevant to my question, which is you think no more than TEN people died on 9/11.
You think they pulled down /blew up three massive high rise buildings in downtown Manhattan on a weekday, without evacuating the plaza or the surrounding streets, and no more than TEN people died.
Not only have you obviously never been to the financial district on a weekday, I’m starting to think you’ve never thought of it in real world human terms at all.
You live in Sydney, right. Imagine blowing up three major high rises in the city center on a weekday with the streets full of office workers, residents, tourists, delivery guys, sales people etc – and only TEN people are killed.
Not possible is it? Even if you emptied the three buildings blowing them up is going to take out a lot of people in the streets, in neighboring buildings etc.
I highly suggest you revise upwards quite a lot.
And the point remains the same. Why are the alleged fake deaths more important to you than the real deaths, even if by some miracle it was ‘only ten’?
We’ve been through all this a number of times. I’m not going to say any more on the subject. Many other people say the same as me, Sophie, I certainly wasn’t the first, that’s for sure. I was way, way behind on staged death and injury. Can I suggest you watch this film, it’s great.
http://www.earthlyfireflies.org/911-fraud/
If you still wish to argue that people “must have died” you go right ahead and do that Sophie. Of course, if you had a skerrick of evidence of any kind supporting your belief that would be helpful, evidence does help, Sophie, but I know many people are much happier putting their beliefs and speculations ahead of the evidence you’re certainly not alone there.
I worked in the Wall Street area for a few months in 1994 but it matters not to me how busy or whatever some place is, if something is not actually impossible I allow for things to take place. You need to bear in mind that it all started before normal office hours and they ran lots of drills.
Weird. I was pretty sure you previously said you’d never visited NYC.
I don’t have a belief, beyond the broad opinion it’s going to be next to impossible to blow up three massive skyscrapers in a crowded city and only kill ten people. You’re the one expressing a belief, and getting all defensive about it just because I point out some flaws in it. 🙂
It sure does, but the problem is if it contradicts your beliefs you just say the evidence is fake.
People never put themselves in that category though do they? It’s always others.
I only read as far as “Weird, I thought you said you’d never visited NYC before.”
I have never said that, why would I say that? I arrived there in April 1994 and left in February 1995. I lived on Minetta St and 14th Street.
I really don’t like being accused of lying and of “changing my story” when I have never changed my story. I’m not discussing death and injury with you on 9/11 any further. If you make any comments on my comments I will simply not reply.
Thank a lot, Petra, for the film link –> http://www.earthlyfireflies.org/911-fraud/
I learnt many things that I was not aware of from my earlier deep research on the fabricated event in the two years following Sep 2001.
My pleasure. I don’t think the film was made very long ago but if it had been and I’d seen it I would have saved myself a lot of time wasted on propaganda targeted to the anticipated disbelievers of the official narrative.
You could put it like this, there we all were in our nice cosy lives, free to dream, make plans etc, we were all doing it.
In our spare time (what a concept…spare??) we contemplated (from our various nice cosy situations) past and present crimes against our species, we formulated our stances relative to our own “personal” postions, measured, worked and re-worked until we thought we knew exactly who we were?
Then once we in our cosy worlds had been hardened to the sins commited on those less fortunate, or in the wrong place at the wrong time, they, “they” threw this at us.
the practice runs are over, the theorising, tabulating, formulating its all meaningless?
2 paths stretch out in front of us, all of us regardless of where you live, how much you “earn”, to submit or… not submit.
As you state above you KNEW there was no virus, agreed, though took me a while.
Thus you state that “some say depopulation”, but “dont think thats it somehow”, agreed, the unfortunate correlation of untimely death post “jab” is…. unfortunate.
in my humble opinion the relationship between the natural world, mathematics, physics, frequencies et al describes and defines our union of existence of our 4d, 5d ?? “soul” with the 3d experience, prison, construct that is our
wakingcondition?We are Still connected via an “umbilical cord” to the true original creation ( a beautiful mind created our true form, whilst evil minds manipulate this lower realm?).
Once that connection/cord is cut or corrupted, there is no way “home”.
This principle i have found to be current and consistent with those who i have encountered who have more
faiththan i previously had, but is for myself, where the evidence has led me.We need to focus on where this is going, not argue about past events that have led us, all of us, to accepting such utter attrocities in our world.
But where were we when such attrocities were being carried out in far off lands for the benefit of our developed world comforts?
Seems this shit has come to all our doors and we now all share the unease that so many have who were not vested with spare time?
The choice? the 2 paths, go their way or get the f as far away from it as possible and prepare to fight with whatever, however. I`d rather die as i am than accept their assault on my soul.
Which in recent months has led to a whole new take on future access to “health care” and fk knows what id do if i needed surgery, blood transfusion etc… be more careful with power tools? :0p
Keep smilin cos you know it really pisses em off
‘What better way to flumox your enemy than keep them arguing amongst themselves?’
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Excellent! This is it. And then create fake ‘truth’ groups as a catchment area for any sceptics and waste their time too by leading them down dead-end streets to chase shadows and red herrings. Very tiresome and time-consuming, and there must be a lot of those sceptics who became discouraged from even bothering anymore….perfectly understandable. Sometimes (but not at all often) I wish I’d never even started on the ‘path to the truth’ and just met the right lady, had 5 kids, got a 60hour-a-week job, got saddled with an enormous mortgage and lived happily ever after in blissful ignorance. :o)
A rare and worthwhile peer-reviewed academic journal article on the subject:
https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/metrics/10.1177/0304375419898334
https://www.academia.edu/42094058/9_11_Truth_and_the_Silence_of_the_IR_Discipline
It astounds me why anyone would not want to go down the 9/11 rabbit hole to find out what really went on that day ! The 9/11 event has shaped our history ever since. The official report was a joke when viewed against all the contrary daming evidence that has surfaced and keeps on surfacing. Pulling the mass psychelogical event of 9/11 off gave them the confidence to know they could pull Convid off ! With the general public so gullible to believe the official 9/11 narrative meant the Globalists knew they could get away with eugenic global genocide ! If i hadn’t studied the 9/11 false flag attack i would have been able to predict the present scamdemic or be onto their tricks from the word go. I think it’s very important to show the obvious comparisons between both events so will look forward to reading and viewing the new articles and videos when they appear.
Agreed. And in the US at least, the connection is direct. The false-flag anthrax attacks just after 9/11 were used not only to pass the Orwellian “Patriot Act” and legitimize invading Iraq but also to put in place laws in most states that enable public-health dictatorship (in the US federal systems, health is mostly a matter for state law). And these laws, along with other equally irrelevant laws from the Cold War (e.g., in Maskachusetts, the civil-defense statute), are being cited by governors in their Covid diktats.
Aircraft clipped the structural members from entry at 500 mph to exit; jet fuel was fire accelerant on top of existing flammables. Pancaking buckled all the way down.
Pancaking buckled your brain.
WTC7 was not struck by a plane. Not that a plane would take it down even if one had
Steel‘s melting point is 2,750 degrees Fahrenheit (1510 Celsius). Yet jet fuel only burns between 800 and 1500 degrees Fahrenheit (426.7 and 815.5 Celsius) [source: Popular Mechanics]. So what happened on that September morning that caused the towers to collapse?
What’s the strength of steel at 800-1500 F?
that point may explain away structural failures of the H-beam core columns at the point of impact but it in no way explains failures at floors below the point of impact
External load bearing walls design for two towers was unusual and rare in skyscrapers. Design had advantage of having much more floor office area brought more money from lease but was not properly tested. CADD testing was of very limited capabilities, project was rushed, being continuously redesigned with questionable quality as trade unions were controlled by mafia. Definitely it was design-wise and quality wise weak building with many untested money driven solutions used.
while the above factors definitely contributed to observed outcome they in no way explain what happened short of catastrophic structural failure prior to moment collapse occurred. No such a pre impact failure was officially identified. Unfortunately official investigation was a joke as they simply refused to seriously and scientifically investigate collapse of all three structures instead concoct convenient coverup theories and looked only to prove them. The evidences that contradicted those theories were discarded or ignored. Skeptics including variety of experts in architecture, civil engineering, urban and aviation firefighting as well as in aerodynamics, that pointed all official theories’ logical and material impossibilities, contradictions, discrepancies, absurdities as well as catastrophic design flaws and weaknesses or profit and politics driven decisions were vilified or silenced.
9/11 showed us most blatantly what we see today with Covid namely that science as a institution is not oracle of truth, but serves politics and policies those who fund it. Only truly independent scientists can be honest telling what evidences tell them.
As skeptics we never trust any authority including scientific authority as we seek to interpret events, phenomena and understand reality by ourselves alone.
The external walls were NOT load bearing. The main load bearing structure was the massive central column, which took almost the entire weight of the floors. The floors were attached to the external walls by trusses also embedded in the central core. It is one of the strongest building structures in the world, with huge redundancies built in, and is still used routinely in high rises.
The claim the external walls were main load bearing and the structure was ‘flimsy’ comes from early attempts at explaining away the improbable collapse. Please don’t repeat such canards.
This is a good one. Who needs ‘conspiracy’ vids?
Building the WTC…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=77htpHG-bXw
And then allegedly, along came a 60-ton construction of very light, thin hollow aluminium panelling, held together only by rivets, which smashed through the 100,000 tons of steel beams and 100,000 tons of concrete to burn the whole thing down.
What many of us saw on TV that day was/is impossible.
…also turned a lot of the buildings into very fine dust and not into a 500ft tall pile of rubble and steel
Dr Judy Wood’s evidence of energy weapons used to turn the towers to dust is not allowed here. funny that…
Her evidence can be found at drjudywood dot com and where did the towers go dot com…
I do not understand how anyone could think that the towers being destroyed by space lasers is not a controlled opposition narrative
anyone that craps on Dr Judy Wood’s evidence hasn’t watched it or read her book. And she does not say ‘space lasers’, she explains it all very thoroughly so that even paid trolls designed to discredit her can understand it.
denied: DEW exist.
I try and keep an open mind on Dr. Woods, there are perfectly more orthodox explanations….. What I do agree with Judy on, is where did all that debris go, so quickly? trucks my ass.
Not allowed or not indulged? I wouldn’t indulge it either, because it’s nonsense. No need for sci-fi scenarios when there are perfectly acceptable models to explain what happened, as well as concrete evidence to bolster those models (iron microspheres from nanothermite).
Another who has not observed the presentation of the evidence. There is nothing about space lasers in it. The controlled opposition is Architects and Engineers. Why haven’t they, the experts, compiled an entire book of evidence?
Hi, when you say energy weapons are you talking about a modern equivalent of Roman fasces?
If you have friends in the Truth movement who haven’t yet woken up to the covid scam or friends wise to the scamdemic who still think 19 hijackers brought three buildings down with two planes, we hope our Covid19/11 series might help to reach them and awaken them to the universality of the deceit.
I don’t know about deceit. Sigh, you know, what I am more stunned by is the universality of the conceit of those in this “Truth” movement. (I know you think you’re so clever.)
And I’m not really interested in revisiting 9/11 again. It’s old news.
This afternoon I was listening to Delingpole – now wearing a tin foil hat to the Hunt – and his “friend” Toby Young – still struggling to release himself from the equally delusional “mainstream” of journalistic opinion.
I often think of the classic line “clowns to the left of me, jokers to the right …”.
Yep, it’s mad world. (I think there may be a song or a film title in there somewhere.)
No, Believers, I am not your enemy. (I’m still not having that jab.) But I know, in disagreeing with you over this, you will think that I am. So do keep foaming at the mouth and make sure to give me plenty of downvotes for my heresy.
Clearly 9/11 needs to be revisited if there are people like you around who still think Building 7 collapsed from small office fires
I can’t downvote you John because even after having read innumerable comments from you, I still have no idea where you truly stand or what it is you’re trying to say. You certainly like to claim you are being victimised because we’re all so awful to you in ways never made clear. And you like to give yourself airs e.g. your “heresy”? Nothing you have so far said is substantial enough to be called heresy.
Thank you for this comment – it’s more or less exactly what I was going to note.
Reading John Pretty’s comments reminds me of Henry James’ description of Dostoevsky’s works as being like a “pudding.”
“It’s old news.”
Tell that to the families. Twenty years: there’s no statute of limitations for mass murder, is there?
The “Oh don’t bore me – it’s old news” is another weapon in the armoury of dissembling information management along with, “You’re all fanatics”, “We’ll never know the truth” and “No side is to be trusted”.
It really is an odd remark, imo. So damned dismissive and disrespectful.
It’s not heresy. It’s a rather unforgivable form of crass stupidity.
Down voting = socialist bullying to drive you away from ‘THEIR’ comments section. Like all good Marxists (encompassing) all forms of collectivism, they delight in anti-social behavior, everyone’s equal unless they have unfavorable opinions, diversity is welcome unless your politics is different to theirs!
that’s pish, I freely use my downvote if I plainly disagree or dislike some nuance of their tone, even for posters that I generally upvote and for the most part agree with. Part of the catharsis. OG ain’t perfect, but it’s still very damn good.
You and JP should get together AS. But your comments – hilarious though they may be – are a bit too forthright for him. He prefers the amorphous. Which means you’re in for a thoroughly boring time.
New interview of Dr David Martin to a Canadian organisation – Vaccine Choice Canada. Very clear, important interview with new information.
https://www.bitchute.com/video/DtWBfBzir4Hh/
The most important fact of the first few minutes of 9/11 is what didn’t happen:
No carnage on the ground outside the towers right after two huge planes had smashed into them. For almost an hour, you had reporters running around underneath the hole in the towers asking people: did you see what happened?
As if a plane could smash into a tower above your head and you would have no idea but would have to be told by somebody.
A huge passenger plane approaching the towers at low altitude would have been heard by EVERYBODY and they would have run the hell away from the sound.
All TV stations broadcasting live from New York went offline for a few minutes at the time of the crash. This was reported by the radio reporters watching traffic from helicopters. A couple of news helicopters were watching the second tower. They all reported an explosion and no second plane. The guy in the helicopter had to be informed by the person in the studio that there was a plane.
A few minutes later, the “live” footage showed silhouettes of planes gliding behind the building. Footage which emerged later showed the buildings swallowing the planes.
All CGI. Based on all the TV footage we’ve been shown, nothing hit the towers. There were explosions from inside.
11 upvotes so far. Really?
Geez. Can’t OG do something about upvotes resulting in simultaneous downvotes?!
The ‘simultaneous votes’ are perfectly normal.
At any one moment there are hundreds of people reading this site. A small percentage of them will be voting comments up or down. Sometimes one or two will be voting for the same comment you are voting for. The vote will register on the site but will not register on your browser until it refreshes the page. Your browser will refresh the page automatically when you vote, at which point you will see not just your vote but any others made since the last time your browser refreshed the page.
You’re welcome
And it just occurred to me – did anyone call in the low flying passenger plane before it hit the first tower? Before we got that accidental, spur of the moment, perfect shot by one of the French brothers who were filming a doc about the lower Manhattan Fired Dept.
If it was flying that low wouldn’t people, cops, everyone have noticed it before it hit the tower and called 911. Maybe people did and I just have never heard about it.
I just think there’s something odd about that first shot of the plane hitting the building.
I am not sure about that plane. I think the Naudet film is a fake one too with a CGI plane. The intersection they filmed it from is one of the few in Manhattan where you can see the top of the towers from ground level. I don’t think it was a coincidence they happened to be there. Regardless of the size of plane, no plane can fly inside a building completely as if it were a ghost. At least not outside a video editing program. Any plane would hit the tower, some parts might go inside, but a great chunk would fall outside, especially the wings. There are hundreds of pictures of plane crashes that one can compare to.
‘Any plane would hit the tower, some parts might go inside, but a great
chunk would fall outside, especially the wings. There are hundreds of
pictures of plane crashes that one can compare to.’
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There was only about 55cm between the steel beam uprights, so only a few bits would go through the windows. Besides that,on impast the nose and fuselage would also slow the rest of the ‘plane’ down in an intance.Most of it would’ve just smashed up,maybe exploded on the outside of the building.Even the heaviest parts of the ‘plane’ (engines and landing gear) would have hardly damaged the building.
A wise observation I read years ago: In a real-life situation, there would be lots of broken windows forming a large circle around the point of ‘impact’…..which(as far as I know) is nowhere to be seen in the whole 9/11 TV show.
I agree. There would have been complete chaos and carnage on the ground outside the towers, apart from whatever happened inside.
Yes, and there would be recordings/footage from military/police/hospital/press helicopters of it all.Traffic jams, people in the streets evacuating the buildings etc. But there isn’t – it was all the same few images,repeated and rammed in our faces for hours.
Buddy saw the explosion from the first, watched the second live, in person.
Did he hear a plane? When planes fly low it’s very loud. Even people without a proper view of the other side of the tower would have heard a plane if there had been one.
‘When planes fly low it’s very loud.’
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And it’s extremely improbable that such an aircraft could even travel so fast at such a low altitude.
Yes. The “official” reports on the crash suggest that the planes were flying at speeds which far exceed the max for a Boeing at that low altitude. The best part is that one of the official reports on the crash, by MIT have calculated the speeds based on the CNN footage…..
The whole thing is such nonsense. What happened is conjecture but what didn’t happen is perfectly clear.
18 different angles of the plane hitting the south tower: https://www.bitchute.com/video/Pp48jDmNgufl/
A mix of news footage but mainly regular people who started filming the scene after the first plane hit the north tower. They all clearly show the same impact and explosion. The closer ones also show the resulting carnage on the street which you claim didn’t happen.
Argue all you want about who orchestrated it why exactly the towers collapsed. But if you’re claiming that a city of 10 million people was simply tricked into believing two planes smashed into its two largest buildings in broad daylight when this didn’t actually happen, then you’re truly entered crazy town.
Mind wars are at the heart of Event Covid. For the operation to proceed people must sign up to a mental reframing that is more closed, more of a vicious circle, than any religion the same people criticize…
Most religions are built to entertain doubt. Not all: one of the main ones is decidedly totalitarian.
Event Covid keeps a scorecard of death, from Kary Mullis, Frank Plummer, David Graeber, John Le Carré onwards to the U.S. conservative shock jocks falling like flies. Don’t confuse correlation and causation. You are invited to doubt.
But there is still a strong element of persuasion involved that tells me the people behind the operation, behind Event Covid are spiritual, metaphysical, maybe not religious but an internally-consistent cult.
9/11 was more of a psyop on a grand scale. That was probably why the Bush clan was proud to front it. After the NAZI pageant that grand-daddy Prescott helped stage, the bloodline logic determined that Dubbya should reboot the musical. It must have stung Poppy badly that his role was just to farm opium while chanting “new world order”.
There is your evidence that the Bush family are marionettes serving a greater power. If they were string pullers rather than puppets, their roles and demeanor would have been different, not to mention their actions (the actions of a family that had two presidents! — think about it: what did they do. What did they not do. It hardly deserves the hagiography heaped upon them in some circles.).
Body language is all. The confidence of a Kissinger. The shrew-like eyes, darting and hiding, of David Rockefeller, even with the security of position and wealth, even when speaking to one of his own appointees Charlie Rose.
https://moneycircus.substack.com/archive
Moneycircus, what do you think is the connection of covid and John Le Carre’s death? I love LeCarre. Just finished his Honorable Schoolboy. I will have to search the other names you mentioned. I’m not familiar. Thanks.
Impossible to say. Le Carré was in his 80s, was still giving talks, and addressed specifically the issues that made his work famous — the state and its spies.
The timing of his death and his status as author of The Constant Gardener makes it suspicious. You may say his book was underwhelming but look at the media… see the power of big pharma… and it’s a wonder that Le Carré’a novel got published at all.
Had Le Carré used his platform in Even Covid he would have been dangerous to the the drug queens.
Oh I’ve always thought that if asked, again, about my conspiracy theorism I would just point to Le Carre’s books. I mean, for goodness sake, he lays it all out. I saw the film but did not read the book (Constant Gardner)
Thanks for replying.
Metaphysical, spiritual beings? of immense power? latent, un-tapped power? You mean us then, but as you very correctly pose our shared existence seems to be being driven by “other” metaphysical, spiritual beings, who have access to their power in a manner that allows them to shape our world as we collectively view it?
Their existence and our existence seem to be proven by the collective understanding and thus joining together of those of us that now shaken out of our reveries hold true to one fact…
This shit is really fucked up, is driven from a source, has been for a long time and we need to do something to stop it?
Maybe we are just now seeing the world as your average Syrian, Afghanni etc has seen it for the past few decades.
Now that “new worlds fair” has come to our town we are all “wtf”?
As we try to become more aware of our condition, the straps are ever tightened, they dont want you escaping this reality, they want your repeat visits, they feed off us.
I will come back and view the
men in white coatscomments later, it will cheer me up no end :0) Now to the more serious business of re-digging a 1000 yr old well in the grounds of 700 yr old house for my neighbours.Have a nice day folx
did you find the well by dowsing ?
Does anyone care anymore?
it was 20 years ago. All the insiders got away scott free and made out like bandits.
Its set in stone. Just as this BS will be in 20 yeas from now.
The chief purpose of naming criticism as a “conspiracy theory” is to dismiss it–or, to trivialize it. And to paint its practitioners as disreputable, suspect, and low caste—and to consign the theories to the rubbish heap of history. So, abandonment is the worse thing because it plays right into their hands.
I agree to some extent. The marginalization is powerful as a tool.
However, my point was that irrespective of the truth of the events (and one would be fool to believe the official story) once beyond a certain point in history the official story becomes set in stone for most part and any attempt to address it becomes pointless for a wider audience. outside of a small subgroup that for whatever reasons are willing to address the information rather than the pre-conception..
Ie. everyone knows the accepted story and you must be crazy/evil to deny it.
As an aside I could point out some similar giant conspiracies from the last hundred years that are obvious if you examine the data, but the admins would ban me and no one really cares as they are historically part of most peoples frame of reference.
It’s 20 years. It’s nothing in the grand scheme of things. Struggle always places an asterisk next to the official history/narratives, it is placed in the collective memory because it becomes part of that collective memory and that is why it’s so important, even if it fails to solve the existing contradictions in the favour of the proletars. The resistance movements against the nazis. The Black Panthers. The Viet Minh. The seizure of Bayern by workers’ and soldiers’ councils right after the end of the First World War. The operaismo of the italian automobile factory workers. The Intifada. Resistance that is collective, organic and challenges authority (i.e. becomes political) always engraves itself into collective memory. Because if it has challenged power, history will HAVE to mention it, it’s impossible to hide a collective experience which challenged power. You can smear it, lie about its truth and ommit facts, but you HAVE to mention it. That is why memory is either collective or it doesn’t exist.
I see you are stuck in the false histories laid out for you.
9/11 and COVID are not isolated. As I said false histories are accepted as a frame of reference, and your comment encompasses many.
You have a point there. However, commemoration serves to warn us against repeating our mistakes – that of believing our politicians and the MSM. Of course, there’s a cut-off point there somewhere… is it 20 years, 65 years, several hundred years… ?
Apart from from Popular Mechanics ‘attempt’ to explain how the telephone calls were made from the planes in question………has anyone since succeeded?
Anyone explained the jump in proficiency from the alledged pilots, barely being able to shut the door on a cessna to being able to pilot the 757/767’s on that day? It must have been one amazing PC based flightsim. And all using a keyboard…….exceptional.
Anyone explained how the Public having just watched the Military do jack on that day, let them have control the prosecution in a military arena rather in the public courts?
In fact, how is that the Official Conspiracy theorists…..so smug and arrogant, forgot to first and foremost to apply logic/sense/empathy and a good case of self preservation in making sure that the belief in the Official Conspiracy Theory is second only to the primary consideration……..SUPPORTING THE FAMILIES IN HOLDING THEIR GOVERNMENT TO ACCOUNT.
The 9/11 Families are only interested in directing attention towards Saudi Arabian government’s involvement in the controlled demolitions on 9/11.
Actually many families didn’t/don’t buy the official narrative and did not want to be held up as a shield- by George Bush et al who used them and their grief- as a buffer- to deflect scrutiny.
3000 families amounts to lot of people, but we hardly heard a squeak from them.
I’m happy in this. They cannot do everything. Better one domino fall at a time.
Also it was interesting how the two towers which were designed to withstand multiple aircraft impacts and raging infernos for hours, came down in dustification process within an hour of each strike? Or building 7 which was some distance away which came down dead straight in a few seconds freefall on it’s exact own footprint textbook demolition style? Who needs demolition experts when all you need to do is set fire to some office furniture and let the flames do the rest in a few hours. Or how the relatively fragile aluminum fuselage and wings pierced the steel cladding panels on the sides of the building?
Just because you don’t understand physics does not make something impossible.
Now a physics thought experiment: every action has an equal and opposite reaction.
Imagine a baseball bat made in the size/shape of WTC tower from steel.
Imagine an alluminium hollow ball the size of a plane.
swing that bat at 500mph (although impossible at that altitude).
would the ball really go though the bat leaving nothing on the outside?
isn’t Phisics marvelous!
You have also made an argument from incredulity. Why do we need to do bizarre thought expriments when it is clear that, if travelling fast enough, something light and fragile can penetrate something much stronger and heavier?
You have used a strawman argument.
replace the ball with alluminium and the target with 2″ thick solid steel, limit the speed to 500MPH rather than the muzzle velocity of a gun.
or better still, get an alluminium wing tip (that had “do not step” printed on it because the weight of a person would damage it) on a rocket test bed, fire it into a 2ft sq girder made from 2″ thick steel and see how that goes.
spoiler: they tried to set this experiment up, but when the test center found out what they were trying to do, they kyboshed it.
what you will then find is that it’s impossible for an alluminium wing tip to leave a gaping hole in a steel structured building in the exact shape of the wing, unless you plant explosives.
‘Imagine an alluminium hollow ball the size of a plane.’
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Or throw an empty beer can against a steel mesh cage.
Mike Rupert explained a lot of it in Crossing The Rubicon, but then he got suicided
Your screen name, wirting that nonsense about MCR, is actually offensive when you know the story.
https://www.indybay.org/newsitems/2005/01/23/17167641.php
YAY! Bring on the madness!
Much if not all of this is psychological. It seems pretty obvious that “raw intelligence” is no match for the lizard brain in most people. Some commenters have suggested that the well-educated seem just as or more susceptible to propaganda.
Americans were fed a steady diet of anti Arab Muslim propaganda leading up to 9/11. It was easy to tap into the underlying fear of invading brutes imposing Sharia law and forcing women to wear hijabs. Maybe this fear was some form of projection because it was actually the West who invaded and destroyed the Middle East for many years.
The visuals on 9/11 were stunning. I was a child at the time and it gave me nightmares. I couldn’t sleep properly for days. It was easy to tap into the raw fear of some invading force attacking the homeland. The mantra was: We must retaliate! They must be destroyed!
Who they were really didn’t matter. Someone had to pay. All Muslims are pretty much the same, right? F*ck it, who cares if it’s Afghanistan or Iraq, right?
The facts don’t matter when the lizard brain takes over. Anyone who says they don’t have things hidden away in their sub-conscious is probably lying or not very self-aware. And these things, when activated in one way or another, can become powerful influences that shape perception.
So, who are we being taught to hate?
Who are we supposed to fear today?
Who do YOU hate?
What do YOU fear?
Socialists?
White Supremacists?
The “Left”?
The “Right”?
Democrats?
Republicans?
Libtards?
Marxists?
Russians?
The cartoonishly evil Chinese?
The vaxxed?
The unvaxxed?
Why?
Of course, this by no means suggests people shouldn’t be discerning. But it’s an interesting exercise to ask oneself these questions once in a while. At least I think so.
Invisible Enemies
Viruses, Terrorists, Viruses
or
AIDS->9/11->Covid19
Lizard brain ?
…Recently seen, the photograph of the U.S, Taliban peace deal/act in Qatar.
zoom in on the guy with the eye, he wearing Thawb/Thobe/Robe behind the Taliban “leader*….reptillian ?
as for the…I I et al, resistance was futlie.
taliban does mean that when you take the word apart (linguists)
Interesting that you mention “lizard brain” – I’ve heard this as psychology jargon referencing the survival instinct.
People who are driven by their “lizard brain” view others in terms of “predator or prey”.
Psychopaths, in other words.
Perhaps David Icke is onto something, metaphorically speaking…
It’s basic ecology & evolution, the problem with collectivist ideologues is their hypocrisy & ignorance of natural process doesn’t allow them to understand socialism is a selfish act for individual preservation.
Scholarly articles on various 9/11conspiracies and Covid , strange bedfellows indeed . As the Patriot Act now considered not Draconian enough , as new proclamations and laws being issued about Covid are embraced . Iraq/israel /CIA did 9/11 American version and Covid is a deadly plague , two enormous lies that have sold well.
“OMG! It’s the Canadian Clown Variant.”
Bad news is that the only thing worse than the Canadian clown variant are the other 2 leading contenders. As it it is in the US and England there are no alternatives to the status quo.
How many have understood the fall of the twin towers as the tolling of the first bell, that they are Jachin & Boaz, Father & Son, the 2nd book of TLOTR, the two key towers of Freemasonry, the two gods of Dualism, etc?
Aw, do we have to…?
The corruption, fraud and evil connected with all this are already more than enough for us to be dealing with…
Does one have to survive?
You can always drink the Koolaid.
well done more of this, it a little bit more and beyond planes going into building etc
911 ritual
Occult 9/11 – Masonic Symbolism
And this is one of many routes via which you can answer all your questions and discover all the secrets worth knowing.
September Clues sums the ‘planes theory’ up rather well.
September Clues sums the ‘planes theory’ up rather well.
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It certainly does!… and pretty much everything else that allegedly happened on the’fateful day’.
Imho, the best 9/11 docu ever made…and all on a very tight budget I believe.
Jam-packed with info,fantastic editing of the completely ridiculous TV coverage and the so-called ‘amateur vids’ and witnesses. Fckin mindblowing.
Plus, September Clues has the unique distinction of having been condemned by all factions of the 911 controversy. Does kind of make you wonder if they were on to something.
The complaints surround Simon Shack admitting he edited/enhanced the “nose in nose out” bit from footage that didn’t actually show it. There was also an issue with his brother being sponsored by the software comapny that supplied the tech to syncronize cameras for the event, owned by the Bin Ladens iirc. There was more to it but I forget.
The theory being the film was made in such a way as to make it easy to debunk, pre-sabotaging any further attempts to expose the ruse via video analysis.
If that was the plan, it didn’t work on me, I still think September clues was one of the most important pieces of the puzzle.
‘The theory being the film was made in such a way as to make it easy to
debunk, pre-sabotaging any further attempts to expose the ruse via video
analysis.’
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There have been many attempts to ‘debunk’ or discredit the clues forum research over the years which have all failed quite miserably as far as I know. I’d say the video analysis on Clues forum (not just by Simon Shack) is second to none.
Ace Baker’s 9/11 Psyop was much better.
i like douglas reed his books are of interest
controversy indeed
i like michael collins pipers take on jfk
arhthur koestlers ideas on the 13th tribe
the old book called the empire of the city of london
by ec knuth
or sum such
lucky larry said pull it
jane stanley bbc said it had fallen 30 min before
which was pre crime prime time
the work of christopher berlin on the 9 11 ritual has real merit
the israeli arts projects running for months and months
b thing and gelatine on and near the very floors that blew out
should be better known
but alas it is very much unknown known
fool me once shane on you fool me you wonte get fooled again
again and again and again
like the covid like the trust and belief in doctor and nurse
most folks are happy in ignorance feeding off the amazon government tit
if not happy certainly content
in slavery
why rock the boat
burst the bubble
pull back the curtain
its long ago now what difference will it make
some say saddam did it others say assad gaddaffi
alas we may never nose
Here is a link for your viewing pleasure of Ms. Standley’s epic prophetic BBC reporting.
https://www.bitchute.com/video/lMj8DV7r5lNX/
For the past 20 years she has adamantly refused to comment on her feat despite being nominated for the Edgar Cayce award in creative journalism. BTW, it was only reported 20 minutes before it happened.
Often “debunked” as confused misinterpreted reports of “may collapse” by a stressed reporter mistakenly talking off the cuff (and presumably a stressed screen ticker writer, and stressed editor, stressed news anchor all making the same mistake).
Remember the BBC News anchor Phil Hayton, who introdiced her to talk about “the solomon bros building collapse” 20 mins early?
WeAreChange interviewed him, aparently he doesn’t even remember being at work that day, he thinks he was at the theater, until reminded he was on air (lol)
As if ANYONE would not remember exactly where they were when they heard about 911, especially the frigging news anchor reporting on the evening news live!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BzMlFFQ2oqQ
Will this series by OffG explore the theories of Bollyn, Barrett, Sabrosky, Guyenot et al, ?
I will not hold my breath.
The Truth movement has written millions of references to ‘the Neocons’ as prime suspects, but who are ‘the Neocons ‘? US imperialists ? Really ?
Who was Leo Strauss, and what was his message to his disciples ?
Who was arrested on 9/11 with explosive residues in their van ?
If we are searching for commonalities between 9/11 and Covid, we might start with Philip Zelikow and follow the threads from there.
Look up Gelitin’s “B Thing”
world trade towers “short squeeze” stock market…jock
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Interesting, never saw this before. There are cracks in the image as if the towers were concrete, yet they were mostly of steel with an aluminium facade, so I’d imagine that they’d crease rather than crack. But it’s only a movie poster.
I don’t want to ruin your life, but movies are make-believe. I know its hard to take, just like finding out Father Christmas was actualy your father dressed like a cartoon figure.
Live news reports on the day of 911 caught spectators saying “Gee, are they filming a movie?” as the aircraft flew into the towers.
I don’t want to ruin your life, but movies are make-believe.
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How very kind of you, but comments on a discussion forum will not ruin my life.
More to the point : The 9/11 TV show was the ultimate make believe.
What flew into the towers ?
Amazing compilation of 9/11 predictive programming: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_AUclXzapJo
bingo brilliant thank you my only disagreement! it is not predictive programming.when one is watching films on normal speed with light sound etc they go into a state which is very powerful for intention = manifestation.
Most rituals get people into this state and watching a film tv series etc you go into subconscious and then create the out come they want as million of people concentrate on that scene, just like pepsi etc was able to put half seconds clips in ads and later on you will be want to buy the product.
Concentration thought focus.
Another obvious example of predictive programming.
Cool, as long as we have can have a healthy debate about the information that first came out via the old truth media which involved the dancing israleis (who where arrested and then released) before it turned into what it has today, no mention of it what so ever or censored or being called a anti s for even mentioning it.
complete with Israeli TV interview asking them about it
“why were you there”?
“we were there to document the event”
funny nobody asked them how they knew to be there at exactly the right time to document it, or what happened to their footage!
They just happened to be on holiday! The Naudet brothers just happened to be making a docu about the NY fire brigade.Hmm.
“One sees that Arne Duncan is back snorting cocaine again.”
The remark is a crude example of hate speech and an attempt to get WE THE PEOPLE (Humanity) at each others throats. This vile corporate fascist eugenicist toady is something one found in Nazi Germany.”
A message from the Fascist Department of Adulteration (FDA). Remember: Consuming Large Quantities of Sugary and Salty Junk Crap = A Healthy and Better Life.
“With the war racketeer corporate fascist eugenicist oligarch mobster psychopath Nazis old habits die hard.”
I was barred from entering a supermarket by two Security guards recently. First time this has happened. First day of the new restrictions.( I don’t go into stores much but back to back two days in a row. I went into stores the day before the restrictions and literally saw no one in a mask). I claimed that I had a medical exemption but they didn’t care. Just doing their job. Overnight it has become full Nazi here as they try desperately to get people to accept the death shots via passports. Too many cowards, subservients and appeasers here, not wanting to stand up for themselves or for others. Obeying policies they know are useless and possibly harmful. We could end this in a minute, here most think, at the very least, its an overblown money making scam. Few here, however, realize the broader agenda. Many think their compliance will end the covid scam. Their compliance enables the scam. Do not comply! Resist in every way!
A picture of Dr Mengele captioned “Covid-19: I fully support coerced medical experimentation” would probably go over most people’s head
spray the bastards with slurry
midnight slurry
The Queen sitting on billions suggests you’re selfish if you don’t take Covid vaccine: “The Queen says Covid vaccine hesitant people ‘ought to think about others rather than themselves.'” 2/25/21. Apparently the Queen doesn’t know that Covid vaccines don’t prevent transmission to others. https://www.itv.com/news/2021-02-25/the-queen-says-she-feels-protected-after-covid-vaccine-and-urges-people-to-think-about-others
“To start long overdue for THE ROYAL MAFIA CRIME FAMILY to hand over everything they have stolen from WE THE PEOPLE (Humanity). It would show that they honestly believe WE ARE ALL IN THIS TOGETHER and are not slimy lying hypocritical mobster criminal Nazi scum.”
https://twitter.com/AVDCAreScum/status/1143627206868054016
Arne Duncan, Obombers wingman in the reduction of the US federal government to the enforcement arm of the multi national corporations . The globalized version of Hobbes’ Leviathan ?
hey keep your hands of my healthy breakfast. And how did you get that photo of me?
I reckon Colonel Mustard did it, in the Library.
With a slightly limp stick of celery.