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Beyond Their Wildest Dreams: 9/11 & the “left”

Graeme MacQueen
Originally published in Truth and Shadows, March 13, 2017

On November 23, 1963, the day after John F. Kennedy’s assassination, Fidel Castro gave a talk on Cuban radio and television.[1] He pulled together, as well as he could in the amount of time available to him, the evidence he had gathered from news media and other sources, and he reflected on this evidence.

The questions he posed were well chosen: they could serve as a template for those confronting complex acts of political violence.

  • Were there contradictions and absurdities in the story being promoted in the U.S. media?
  • Who benefitted from the assassination?
  • Were intelligence agencies claiming to know more than they could legitimately know?
  • Was there evidence of foreknowledge of the murder?
  • What was the main ideological clash in powerful U.S. circles and how did Kennedy fit in?
  • Was there a faction that had the capacity and willingness to carry out such an act?

And so on. But beneath the questions lay a central, unspoken fact: Castro was able to imagine—as a real possibility and not as mere fantasy—that the story being promoted by the U.S. government and media was radically false. He was able to conceive of the possibility that the killing had not been carried out by a lone gunman on the left sympathetic to Cuba and the Soviet Union, but by powerful, ultra-right forces, including forces internal to the state, in the United States.

Because his conceptual framework did not exclude this hypothesis he was able to examine the evidence that favoured it. He was able to recognize the links between those wishing to overthrow the Cuban government and take more aggressive action toward the Soviet Union and those wishing to get Kennedy out of the way.

In the immediate wake of the assassination, and after the Warren Commission’s report appeared in 1964, few among the elite left leadership in the U.S. shared Castro’s imagination. Vincent Salandria, one of key researchers and dissidents, said:

I have experienced from the beginning that the left was most unreceptive to my conception of the assassination.” [2]

IF Stone, a pillar of the American left leadership, praised the Warren Commission and consigned critics who accused the Commission of a cover-up to “the booby hatch.”[3] The contrast with Castro is sharp. Speaking well before the Warren Commission’s emergence, Castro mocked the narrative it would later endorse. Several other prominent left intellectuals agreed with IF Stone, and declined to criticize the Warren Commission’s report.[4]

Noam Chomsky, resisting serious efforts to get him to look at the evidence, said at various times that he knew little about the affair, had little interest in it, did not regard it as important, and found the idea of a “high-level conspiracy with policy significance” to be “implausible to a quite extraordinary degree.”[5]

He would later say almost exactly the same thing about the 9/11 attacks, finding the thesis that the U.S. administration was involved in the crime “close to inconceivable,”[6] and expressing his disinterest in the entire issue.

Not everyone on the American left accepted the FBI and Warren Commission reports uncritically. Dave Dellinger and Staughton Lynd, for example, encouraged dissident researchers.[7] In fact, several of the leading dissident investigators, such as Vincent Salandria, Mark Lane and Sylvia Meagher, were themselves, at least by today’s standards, on the left of the political spectrum. But they were not among the elite left leadership in the country and they were, to a great extent, unsupported by that leadership during the most crucial period.

Chomsky’s use of the terms “implausible” and “inconceivable” has stimulated me to write the present article. I have no new evidence to bring to the debate, which is decades old now, as to how his mind and the other great minds of the U.S. left leadership could have failed to see what was obvious to so many.

My approach will assume the good faith of these left leaders and will take as its point of departure Chomsky’s own words. I will explore the suggestion that these intellectuals were not able to conceive, were not able to imagine, that these attacks were operations engineered by intelligence agencies and the political right in the U.S.

Why would Castro have had less difficulty than the U.S. left leadership imagining that the assassination of Kennedy had been carried out by and for the American ultra-right and the intelligence community?

What we imagine to be true in the present will surely be influenced by what we have intimately experienced in the past. Castro’s imagination of what U.S. imperial powers might do was shaped by what he had witnessed them actually do, or attempt to do, to him and his country.

Castro referred in his November 23 talk not only to the economic warfare against Cuba, but to the Bay of Pigs invasion and the Cuban Missile Crisis. But, of course, the CIA’s Operation Mongoose had been active in the interim between these two latter events, and he was familiar with its main lines. Perhaps he was not familiar with all its components.

As far as I am aware, he did not know on November 23, 1963 of the 1962 Operation Northwoods plan, endorsed by the CIA and the Joint Chiefs of Staff, to create a pretext for an invasion of Cuba through a multi-faceted false flag operation that included terrorist attacks in Miami and Washington, to be falsely blamed on Cuba.[8] Had he been familiar with this scheme he might have cited it on November 23 to bolster his case.

Castro was certainly familiar with many plans and attempts to assassinate him, which were eventually confirmed to the U.S. public by the Church Committee’s report, “Alleged Assassination Plots Involving Foreign Leaders.”[9] But, to the best of my knowledge, he was not aware when he gave his November 23 talk of an assassination-planning meeting that had taken place the previous day.

On November 22, the day Kennedy was killed, while Castro was meeting with an intermediary who conveyed Kennedy’s hope that Cuba and the United States would soon be able to work out a mode of peaceful coexistence,[10] members of the CIA were meeting with a Cuban to plot Castro’s death.

The would-be assassin was not only given poison to use in an assassination attempt; he was also promised support by the CIA for a shooting, such as was taking place at that very time in Dallas. He was assured that “CIA would give him everything he needed (telescopic sight, silencer, all the money he wanted).”[11]

The Church committee used the term “ironic” to refer to the fact that the shooting of John Kennedy took place on the very day a Kennedy-Castro peace initiative was being countered by a CIA plan to kill Castro.[12] Why was there no discussion of the significance of the fact that the same people who were working for the overthrow of the Cuban government considered Kennedy and his peace initiatives serious obstacles to their plans?

Castro noted in his November 23 talk that Latin American rightwing forces might have been involved in the Kennedy killing. These forces, he said, had not only openly denounced Kennedy for his accommodation with Cuba but were pushing for an invasion of Cuba while simultaneously threatening a military coup in Brazil to prevent another Cuba.

Castro could not know at the time what we now know, namely that the threatened coup in Brazil would indeed take place soon—on April 1, 1964. It would lead to a wave of authoritarianism and torture that would spread throughout Latin America.

If, therefore, we try to make the case that Castro’s critique of the mainstream account of Kennedy’s assassination was the result of paranoia, denial, and a delusional tendency to see conspiracies everywhere, we will have a hard row to hoe. Almost all the operations he mentioned in his talk, and several operations he did not mention, did involve conspiracies. Cuba was at the center of a set of actual and interconnected conspiracies.

I am not suggesting that because Castro imagined a particular scenario—ultra-right forces killing John Kennedy — it must have been true. That is not the point. The point is that only when our imagination embraces a hypothesis as possible will we seriously study that hypothesis and put it to the test.

The evidence accumulated over many years has shown, in my view, that Castro’s view of who killed John Kennedy was correct. In fact, I think the evidence presented by the first wave of researchers fifty years ago settled the matter.[13] However, it is not my intention to try to prove this in the present article. My topic is the left imagination.

The silencing, by an elite American left, of both dissident researchers and those who have been targets of Western imperial power has reached an unprecedented level in the interpretation of the events of September 11, 2001.

The inability of the Western left leadership to imagine that these events were fraudulent—that they involved, as Fidel Castro put it in 1963, people “playing a very strange role in a very strange play” — has blocked understanding not of only of 9/11 but of actual, existing imperialism and its formation and deformation of world politics.

9/11 and state officials facing imperial power

Talk about blaming the victim. Three days after 9/11 the eminent economist Celso Furtado suggested in one of Brazil’s most influential newspapers that there were two explanations for the attack. One possibility, Furtado implied, was that this savage assault on America was the work of foreign terrorists, as the Americans suspected. But a more plausible explanation, he asserted, was that this disaster was a provocation carried out by the American far right to justify a takeover. He compared the attacks on the Twin Towers and the Pentagon to the burning of the Reichstag in 1933 and the rise of the Nazis to power in Germany.[14]

Kenneth Maxwell wrote this paragraph in 2002. At the time he was the Nelson and David Rockefeller Senior Fellow at the Council on Foreign Relations. The paragraph is from an article written for the Council entitled, “Anti-Americanism in Brazil.” In writing his article Maxwell clearly felt no need to give evidence or argument as he dismissed Furtado. He must have felt his readers would agree that the absurdity of Furtado’s remarks was self-evident. Furtado’s claim would be off their radar, beyond their imagination.

Certainly, Furtado’s imagination had a wider scope than Maxwell’s. Could his personal experience have had something to do with this? Furtado was more than an “eminent economist;” he was an extremely distinguished intellectual who had held the position of Minister of Planning in the Goulart government when it was overthrown in the April 1, 1964 coup in Brazil. Furtado said in a 2003 interview:

The United States was afraid of the direction we had been taking; this phase ended and we entered—as someone put it—the peace of the cemeteries, it was the era of the dictatorship. Thirty years went by without real thinking, without being able to participate in movements, with the most provocative and courageous young people being hunted down.[15]

Did Celso Furtado have a wild imagination when he implied there was U.S. support for the coup? Not at all. The coup was not only hoped for, but prepared for and offered support at the highest level in the U.S.[16]

Furtado has not been the only sceptical voice on the Latin American left. On the fifth anniversary of the 9/11 attacks, the President of Venezuela, Hugo Chavez, himself a major target of U.S. imperial force, entered the public debate. The Associated Press reported on September 12, 2006:

Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez said Tuesday that it’s plausible that the U.S. government was involved in the Sept. 11 attacks.

Chavez did not specifically accuse the U.S. government of having a hand in the Sept. 11 attacks, but rather suggested that theories of U.S. involvement bear examination.

The Venezuelan leader, an outspoken critic of U.S. President George W. Bush, was reacting to a television report investigating a theory the Twin Towers were brought down with explosives after hijacked airplanes crashed into them in 2001.

“The hypothesis is not absurd … that those towers could have been dynamited,” Chavez said in a speech to supporters. “A building never collapses like that, unless it’s with an implosion.”

“The hypothesis that is gaining strength…is that it was the same U.S. imperial power that planned and carried out this terrible terrorist attack or act against its own people and against citizens of all over the world,” Chavez said. “Why? To justify the aggressions that immediately were unleashed on Afghanistan, on Iraq.”[17]

Actually, scepticism in Venezuela about the 9/11 attacks was not new.

In March of 2006, for example, well known survivor and eyewitness of the September 11, 2001 attacks, William Rodriguez, had spent time with high-ranking Venezuelan officials, including Chavez, and had given talks on television and in universities in that country.[18]

The culmination of this Venezuelan scepticism was a statement in a legislative resolution of the country’s National Assembly. The resolution, apparently passed unanimously in the fall of 2006, referred to the 9/11 attacks as “self-inflicted.”[19]

In a sneering attack on the Chavez government in the Miami Herald, journalist Phil Gunson felt no need to support, with evidence or reason, his claim that Chavez was merely engaging in “anti-imperialist rhetoric.”[20] Presumably he knew the imaginations of Floridians could be trusted to block out the possibility that the insane rhetoric about 9/11 might have some truth to it.

One year later, on the sixth anniversary of the attacks, Fidel Castro, at that point ill and retired from government but still keeping up with political events, made his own conclusions known. “That painful incident,” he said, “occurred six years ago today.”

“Today,” he said, “we know that the public was deliberately misinformed.” Castro listed several anomalies and omissions in the official reports. For example, he said:

The calculations with respect to the steel structures, plane impacts, the black boxes recovered and what they revealed do not coincide with the opinions of mathematicians, seismologists…demolition experts and others.”

Referring to the attacks generally, and the attack on the Pentagon specifically, Castro said: “We were deceived, as were the rest of the planet’s inhabitants.”[21]

This was a poignant admission by the man who had grasped the falsity of the Lee Harvey Oswald story one day after Kennedy’s assassination.

Reporting on Castro’s remarks in the Guardian, journalist Mark Tran said: “Fidel Castro today joined the band of September 11 conspiracy theorists by accusing the US of spreading disinformation about the attacks that took place six years ago.”[22]

Tran seems to have worried that the dismissive “conspiracy theorist” term might not put an end to the matter for readers of the Guardian, so he added two brief factual claims, one having to do with DNA evidence at the Pentagon and one having to do with a 2007 video allegedly showing Bin Laden giving an address.

The contempt for Castro’s intelligence, however, was breathtaking. Tran implied that his “facts,” which could have been found in about fifteen minutes on the Internet and which were subsequently questioned even by typically uncritical mainstream journalists, were beyond the research capabilities of the former President of Cuba.[23]

Indeed, much of the Western left leadership and associated media not only trusted the FBI[24] while ignoring Furtado, Chavez, the Venezuelan National Assembly and Fidel Castro; they also, through silence and ridicule, worked to prevent serious public discussion of the 9/11 controversy.

Among the U.S. left media that kept the silence, partially or wholly, are:

  • Monthly Review
  • Common Dreams
  • Huffington Post
  • Counterpunch
  • The Nation
  • The Real News
  • Democracy Now!
  • Z Magazine
  • The Progressive
  • Mother Jones
  • Alternet.org
  • MoveOn.org

In the end, the most dramatic public challenge to the official account of 9/11 by a state leader did not come from the left. It came from a conservative leader who was, however, a target of U.S. imperial power. Speaking to the United Nations General Assembly on September 23, 2010, President Ahmadinejad of Iran outlined three possible hypotheses for the 9/11 attacks.[25]

The first was the U.S. government’s hypothesis — “a very powerful and complex terrorist group, able to successfully cross all layers of the American intelligence and security, carried out the attack.”

The second was the hypothesis that “some segments within the U.S. government orchestrated the attack to reverse the declining American economy and its grips on the Middle East in order also to save the Zionist regime.”

The third was a somewhat weaker version of the second, namely that the assault “was carried out by a terrorist group but the American government supported and took advantage of the situation.”

Ahmadinejad implied, though he did not definitively claim, that he favoured the second hypothesis. He went on to suggest that even if waging war were an appropriate response to a terrorist attack—he did not think it was—a thorough and independent investigation should have preceded the assaults on Afghanistan and Iraq in which hundreds of thousands of people died.

He ended his discussion of 9/11 with a proposal that the UN set up an independent fact-finding group to look into the 9/11 events.

In reporting on this event, The New York Times noted that Ahmadinejad’s comments “prompted at least 33 delegations to walk out, including the United States, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Costa Rica, all 27 members of the European Union and the union’s representative.”[26]

The Times’ report was given to remarks that sidestepped the Iranian president’s assertions. Ahmadinejad’s remarks were made to endear himself to the world’s Muslim community, and especially to the Arab world.

Ahmadinejad was playing the politician in Iran, where he had to contend with conservatives trying to “outflank him.” Ahmadinejad wanted to keep himself “at the center of global attention while deflecting attention away from his dismal domestic record.” Ahmadinejad “obviously delights in being provocative” and “seemed to go out of his way to sabotage any comments he made previously this week about Iran’s readiness for dialogue with the United States.”

The possibility that Ahmadinejad might have been sincere, or that there may have been an evidential basis for his views, was not mentioned.

Meanwhile, the reported response to Ahmadinejad’s talk by the United States Mission to the United Nations was harsh:

Rather than representing the aspirations and goodwill of the Iranian people, Mr. Ahmadinejad has yet again chosen to spout vile conspiracy theories and anti-Semitic slurs that are as abhorrent and delusional as they are predictable.

Where were these anti-Semitic slurs? In his talk the Iranian President condemned Israeli actions against Palestinians and included as one of the possible motives of a 9/11 inside job the saving of “the Zionist regime” by U.S. government insiders. But how is either of these an anti-Semitic slur?

He said nothing in his speech, hateful or otherwise, about Jews. He did not identify Zionism, as an ideology or historical movement, with Jews as a collectivity. He did not identify the state of Israel with Jews as a collectivity. He did not say “the Jews” carried out the 9/11 attacks.

And what did the U.S. Mission mean when it said that Ahmadinejad did not represent the views of Iranians? His views on 9/11 were probably much closer to the views of Iranians than were the views of the U.S. Mission. As will be explained later, the great majority of the world’s Muslims reject the official account of 9/11.

In his address to the General Assembly the following year, Ahmadinejad briefly revisited this issue, saying that, after his 2010 proposal of an investigation into 9/11, Iran was put “under pressure and threat by the government of the United States.” Moreover, he said, instead of supporting a fact-finding team, the U.S. killed the alleged perpetrator of the attacks (Osama bin Laden) without bringing him to trial.[27]

In 2012 another leader in the Muslim world made his position on 9/11 known. Dr. Mahathir Mohamad had been Prime Minister of Malaysia from 1981 to 2003 and was still in 2012 a significant power in his country and a major figure in the global south.

By then he had spent considerable time discussing 9/11 with several well-known members of the U.S. movement of dissent (including William Rodriguez and David Ray Griffin)[28] and had indicated that he questioned the official account. But on November 19, 2012 he left no doubt about his position. In a 20-minute public address introducing a day-long international conference on 9/11 in Kuala Lumpur, he noted:

The official explanation for the destruction of the Twin Towers is still about an attack by suicidal Muslim extremists, but even among Americans this explanation is beginning to wear thin and to be questioned. In fact, certain American groups have thoroughly analyzed various aspects of the attack and destruction of the Twin Towers, the Pentagon building, and the reported crash in Pennsylvania. And their investigations reveal many aspects of the attack which cannot be explained by attributing them to attacks by terrorists—Muslims or non-Muslims.

He went on to give details of the official narrative that he found especially unconvincing, and he concluded that the 9/11 attack:

…has divided the world into Muslim and non-Muslim and sowed the seeds of suspicion and hatred between them. It has undermined the security of nations everywhere, forcing them to spend trillions of dollars on security measures…. Truly, 9/11 is the worst manmade disaster for the world since the end of the two world wars. For that reason alone it is important that we seek the truth because when truth is revealed then we can really prepare to protect and secure ourselves.[29]

There is no need to quote Western media coverage of Mahathir’s remarks because, as far as I can tell, there was none — an outcome Mahathir had predicted in his talk.

Now, of course, it is possible that these current and former state officials had not seriously studied 9/11 and were simply intoxicated by anti-imperial fervour. But the evidence suggests otherwise.

Those who visited Venezuela well before the public pronouncements in that country in September of 2006 noted that officials had collected books and other materials on the subject of 9/11.[30] And Malaysia’s Mahathir had been meeting people to discuss the issue for years. There is no reason to doubt what he said in his 2012 talk: “I have thought a lot about 9/11.” The dismissal of these leaders by the Western left is puzzling, to say the least.

Educator Paulo Freire, himself a victim of the 1964 coup in Brazil, pointed out years ago that when members of an oppressor class join oppressed people in their struggle for justice they may, despite the best of intentions, bring prejudices with them, “which include a lack of confidence in the people’s ability to think…and to know.”[31] Is it possible that the left leadership in the U.S. has fallen into this trap?

The dismissal of 9/11 sceptics has been carried out through a silence punctuated by occasional outbursts. The late Alexander Cockburn of Counterpunch was given to outbursts.

Not content to speak of the “fundamental idiocy of the 9/11 conspiracists” and to tie them to the decline of the American left, Cockburn even took the opportunity to go beyond 9/11 and pledge allegiance once more, as he had in previous years, to the Warren Commission’s Lee Harvey Oswald hypothesis[32] — a hypothesis that had, in my opinion, been shown to be absurd half a century ago.

In a January 2017 article entitled, “American Psychosis,” Chris Hedges continued the anti-dissent campaign. Crying out that, “We feel trapped in a hall of mirrors,” Hedges announced that:

The lies fly out of the White House like flocks of pigeons: Donald Trump’s election victory was a landslide. He had the largest inauguration crowds in American history… We don’t know “who really knocked down” the World Trade Center. Torture works. Mexico will pay for the wall. Conspiracy theories are fact. Scientific facts are conspiracies.[33]

The hall of mirrors is real enough but Hedges’ rant offers no escape. As far as I can discover, Hedges has made no serious study of what happened at the World Trade Center on 9/11 and has, therefore, no idea who knocked down the buildings.[34] Moreover, he appears never to have seriously thought about what a “conspiracy theory” is and what he is denouncing when he denounces such theories. Does he really mean to suggest that the American ruling class, in pursuing its interests, never conspires?

And thus the U.S. left leadership sits in the left chamber of the hall of mirrors, complaining about conspiracy theories while closing its eyes to actual conspiracies crucial to contemporary imperialism.

9/11 and public opinion

If state leaders familiar with Western imperial power have questioned the official narrative of the September 11, 2001 attacks, what about “the people” beloved of the left?

Actually, sorting out what portion of the world’s population qualifies, according to ideological criteria, as “the people” is a difficult task—an almost metaphysical exercise. So let us ask an easier question: what, according to surveys undertaken, appears to be the level of belief and unbelief in the world with respect to the 9/11 narrative?

There have been many polls. Comparing and compiling the results is very difficult since the same questions are seldom asked, in precisely the same words, in different polls. It is, however, possible to set forth grounded estimates.

In 2008, WorldPublicOpinion.org polled over 16,000 people in 17 countries. Of the total population of 2.5 billion people represented in the survey, only 39% said they thought that Al-Qaeda was behind the 9/11 attacks.[35]

The belief that Al-Qaeda carried out the attacks is, I suggest, an essential component of belief in the official narrative of 9/11. If only 39% is willing to name Al-Qaeda as responsible, then a maximum of 39% can be counted as believers of the official narrative.

This WorldPublicOpinion.org poll is, for the most part, supported by other polls, suggesting that the U.S. official narrative is, globally, a minority view. If these figures are correct, of the current world population of 7.5 billion, roughly 2.9 billion people affirm the official view of 9/11 and 4.6 billion do not affirm it.

Now, of the 61% who do not affirm the official view of 9/11, a large percentage says it does not know who carried out the attacks (by implication, it does not know what the goals of the attackers were, and so on). But the number of those who think the U.S. government was behind the attacks is by no means trivial. The figure appears to be about 14% of the world’s population.[36]

If this is correct, roughly 1 billion people think the U.S. government was behind the attacks. Of course, this figure includes children. But even when we exclude everyone under 18 years of age we have 700 million adults in the world who think the U.S. government was behind the 9/11 attacks.

It is not clear if the Guardian’s “band of September 11 conspiracy theorists,” which Castro was said to have joined, consists of this 700 million people or if it consists of the entire group of 4.6 billion non-believers. Either way, we are talking about a pretty large “band.”

Do these poll results prove that the official narrative is false? No. Do they prove that blaming elements of the U.S. government is correct? No. But these figures suggest two things. First, the official story, despite its widespread dissemination, has failed to capture the imaginations of the majority of people on the planet. Second, the minds of 700 million adults have no trouble embracing the possibility that elements of the U.S. government were behind the attacks.

What can be said about the views of that segment of the world population that is most clearly targeted by Western imperialism today?

The so-called Global War on Terror, announced shortly after the 9/11 events, has mainly targeted countries with Muslim majorities.

The 2008 WorldPublicOpinion.org poll of people in 17 countries included five countries with majority Muslim populations. Of the total Muslim population represented in the survey (399.6 million people in 2008), only 21.2% assigned guilt to Al-Qaeda.[37]

In 2011 the Pew Research Group surveyed eight Muslim populations. Of the total Muslim population represented (588.2 million in 2011), only 17% assigned guilt to Arabs.[38]

The evidence suggests that scepticism toward the official account among Muslims has been growing. In December of 2016 a published poll of British Muslims indicated that only 4% of those polled believed that “Al-Qaeda/Muslim terrorists” were responsible for 9/11, whereas 31% held the American government responsible.[39] This is remarkable given the unvarying, repetitive telling of the official story by British mainstream media and political parties.

Are British Muslims wallowing in feelings of victimhood, which have made them prey to extremists peddling “conspiracy theories?” As a matter of fact, the British think tank that sponsored the 2016 poll has drawn this conclusion. But the think tank in question, Policy Exchange, has a special relationship to the UK’s Conservative Party and appears to have carried out the poll precisely in order to put British Muslims under increased scrutiny and suspicion.[40]

Cannot the left, in its interpretation of the views of this targeted population, do better?

Most peculiar and disturbing is the tendency of left activists and leaders to join with state intelligence agencies in using the term “conspiracy theory” to dismiss those who raise questions about official state narratives.

There seems to be little awareness among these left critics of the history of the term.[41] They seem not to realize that they are employing a propaganda expression, the function of which is to discourage people from looking beneath the surface of political events, especially political events in which elements of their own government might have played a hidden and unsavoury role.

In the case of the 9/11 attacks it is important to remember, when the “conspiracy theory” accusation is made, that the lone wolf alternative, which was available for the John Kennedy assassination, is not available here. Everyone agrees that the attack was the result of multiple persons planning in secret to commit a crime. That is, the attack was the result of a conspiracy.

The question is not, “Was there a conspiracy?” The question is, “Who were the conspirators?” Defamation cannot answer this question.

Conclusion

Suppose our imaginations can embrace the possibility that the 9/11 attacks were orchestrated by elements in the U.S. government. In that case what do we do next? There is no mystery. Once the imagination stops filtering out a hypothesis and allows it into the realm of the possible, it can be put to the test. Evidence and reason must now do the job.[42]

Imagination cannot settle the question of truth or falsity any more than ideology, morality, or “common sense.”

I am not concerned in this article to demonstrate the truth of the “inside job” hypothesis of the 9/11 attacks. Ten years of research have led me to conclude that it is correct, but in the present paper I am concerned only with the preliminary, but vital, issue of imagination.

Those who cannot imagine this hypothesis to be true will leave it unexamined, and, in the worst of worlds, will contribute to the silencing of dissenters. The left, in this case, will betray the best of its tradition and abandon both the targets of imperial oppression and their spokespeople.

Fidel Castro sounded the warning in his November 23, 1963 speech:

Intellectuals and lovers of peace should understand the danger that maneuvers of this kind could mean to world peace, and what a conspiracy of this type, what a Machiavellian policy of this nature, could lead to.

I would like to thank Ed Curtin for his inspiration and advice.
Graeme MacQueen is the former director of the Centre for Peace Studies at McMaster University. He is a member of the 9/11 Consensus Panel, former co-editor of the Journal of 9/11 Studies, and an organizer of the 2011 Toronto Hearings, the results of which have been published in book form as The 9/11 Toronto Report. He is a Research Associate of the Centre for Research on Globalization (CRG)

NOTES:-

  1. Martin Schotz, History Will Not Absolve Us: Orwellian Control, Public Denial, and the Murder of President Kennedy (Brookline, Massachusetts: Kurtz, Ulmer & DeLucia, 1996), Appendix II.
  2. Michael Morrissey, Correspondence with Vincent Salandria 1993-2000 (Michael D. Morrissey, 2007), p. 436.
  3. Schotz, History Will Not Absolve Us: Orwellian Control, Public Denial, and the Murder of President Kennedyp. 241.
  4. Schotz, History Will Not Absolve Us: Orwellian Control, Public Denial, and the Murder of President Kennedy, 14ff., Appendices VII [NOTE: A Summary of The Nation’s Editorial Policy from the Assassination to the Warren Report and The Truth is Too Terrible] and VIII.
  5. Morrissey, Correspondence with Vincent Salandria 1993-2000 (Chomsky’s position is a continuing theme in the book); Schotz, History Will Not Absolve Us: Orwellian Control, Public Denial, and the Murder of President KennedyAppendix VIII; Barrie Zwicker, Towers of Deception: The Media Cover-Up of 9/11 (Canada: New Society Publishers, 2006), chap. 5, p. 206.
  6. Zwicker, Towers of Deception: The Media Cover-Up of 9/11, 208 and throughout chapter 5.
  7. Morrissey, Correspondence with Vincent Salandria 1993-2000p. 421.
  8. “ANNEX TO APPENDIX TO ENCLOSURE A: PRETEXTS TO JUSTIFY US MILITARY INTERVENTION IN CUBA (OPERATION NORTHWOODS, pp. 137 ff.),” 1962.
  9. Interim Report: Alleged Assassination Plots Involving Foreign Leaders,” Church Committee Reports.
  10. Mark Lane, Last Word: My Indictment of the CIA in the Murder of JFK (Skyhorse Publishing, 2012), 275.
    [NOTE: See Also: “When Castro Heard The News,” by Jean Daniel, New Republic (December 7, 1963), pp. 7-9, and “Unofficial Envoy: An Historic Report From Two Capitals, ” by Jean Daniel, New Republic (December 14, 1963), pp. 15-20.
    The story of Kennedy’s quest to negotiate with Castro on a new U.S.-Cuban relationship is told by Cuba’s then-UN ambassador Carlos Lechuga in his book In the Eye of the Storm: Castro, Khrushchev, Kennedy, and the Missile Crisis (Ocean Press, 1995) and by U.S. diplomat William Attwood in The Reds and the Blacks; A Personal Adventure (Harper & Row, 1967) and The Twilight Struggle: Tales of the Cold War (Harper & Row, 1987).
    See also: Document 367. Memorandum by William Attwood and Document 374. Memorandum From William Attwood to Gordon Chase of the National Security Council Staff, New York, November 8, 1963, from FRUS, 1961-1963, Volume XI, Cuban Missile Crisis and Aftermath, October 1962-December 1963 (Washington: U.S. Government Printing Office, 1997); “Kennedy Sought Dialogue with Cuba – Initiative With Castro Aborted by Assassination, Declassified Documents Show,” The National Security Archive, November 24, 2003.]
  11. Interim Report: Alleged Assassination Plots Involving Foreign Leaders.”
  12. Ibid. [page 72: “The most ironic of these plots took place on November 22, 1963—the very day that President Kennedy was shot in Dallas—when a CIA official offered a poison pen to a Cuban for use against Castro while at the same time an emissary from President Kennedy was meeting with Castro to explore the possibility of improved relations.”]
  13. Examples of first wave researchers are Salandria, Lane, Meagher, and Weisberg. Several important early articles by Salandria [11-02-64January 1965March 1965] are found in Schotz, History Will Not Absolve Us: Orwellian Control, Public Denial, and the Murder of President Kennedy, while Mark Lane’s first book was Rush to Judgment (New York, N.Y.: Thunder’s Mouth Press, 1992; originally 1966). Sylvia Meagher’s early book was Accessories after the Fact: The Warren Commission, the Authorities & the Report (New York, N.Y.: Vintage Books, 1976; originally 1967), and Harold Weisberg’s first major work was Whitewash: The Report on the Warren Report (Skyhorse Publishing, 1965).
  14. Kenneth Maxwell, “Anti-Americanism in Brazil,” Council on Foreign Relations, Spring 2002.
  15. “Developing Brazil Today: An Interview with Celso Furtado ‘Start with the Social, Not the Economic’,” NACLA Report on the Americas 36, no. 5 (2003).
  16. Brazil Marks 40th Anniversary of Military Coup: Declassified Documents Shed Light on U.S. Role” (The National Security Archives, The George Washington University, March 2004).
  17. Chavez Says U.S. May Have Orchestrated 9/11: ‘Those Towers Could Have Been Dynamited,’ Says Venezuela’s President,” Associated Press, September 12, 2006.
  18. “Venezuelan Government to Launch International 9/11 Investigation: Truth Crusaders Walter and Rodriguez to Appear on Hugo Chavez’s Weekly TV Broadcast,” Paul Joseph Watson & Alex Jones/Prison Planet.com, March 31, 2006.
  19. For this information I have depended on Phil Gunson, “Chávez Attacks Bush as ‘genocidal’ Leader,” Miami Herald, November 9, 2006.
  20. Ibid.
  21. “The Empire and Its Lies: Reflections by the Commander in Chief,” September 11, 2007, Discursos e intervenciones del Commandante en Jefe Fidel Castro Ruz, Presidente del Consejo. de Estado de la Republica de Cuba.
  22. Mark Tran, “Castro Says US Lied about 9/11 Attacks,” Guardian, September 12, 2007.
  23. Sue Reid, “Has Osama Bin Laden Been Dead for Seven Years – and Are the U.S. and Britain Covering It up to Continue War on Terror?” The Mail, September 11, 2009.
  24. The FBI was officially in charge of the investigation of the crimes of 9/11, and the Bureau bears ultimate responsibility for the official narrative of 9/11, which was adopted uncritically by other state agencies and commissions.
  25. Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, “Address by H.E. Dr. Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, President of the Islamic Republic of Iran, Before the 65th Session of the United Nations General Assembly” (United Nations General Assembly, New York, N.Y., September 23, 2010).
  26. Neil Macfarquhar, “Iran Leader Says U.S. Planned 9/11 Attacks,” The New York Times, September 24, 2010.
  27. Daniel Tovrov, “Ahmadinejad United Nations Speech: Full Text Transcript,” International Business Times, September 22, 2011.
  28. Richard Roepke, “Last Man Out on 9/11 Makes Shocking Disclosures,” COTO Report, August 10, 2011. The information about David Ray Griffin’s 30-60 minute discussion with Mahathir is from my personal correspondence with Dr. Griffin.
  29. Dr. Mahathir Mohamad, President of the Perdana Global Peace Foundation and Former Prime Minister of MalaysiaOpens the “9/11 Revisited: Seeking the Truth” Conference in Kuala Lumpur on November 19, 2012.
  30. Roepke, “Last Man Out on 9/11 Makes Shocking Disclosures.”
  31. Paulo Freire, Pedagogy of the Oppressed, translated by Myra Bergman Ramos (New York, N.Y.: Seabury Press, 1970), 46.
  32. Alexander Cockburn, “The 9/11 Conspiracists and the Decline of the American Left,” Counterpunch, November 28, 2006. For a critique of Cockburn see Michael Keefer, “Into the Ring with Counterpunch on 9/11: How Alexander Cockburn, Otherwise So Bright, Blanks Out on 9/11 Evidence,” 911Review.com, December 4, 2006.
  33. Chris Hedges, “American Psychosis,” Truthdig, January 29, 2017.
  34. Those interested in the destruction of the buildings may consult the website of Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth. And see Ted Walter, BEYOND MISINFORMATION: What Science Says About the Destruction of World Trade Center Buildings 1, 2, and 7 (Berkeley, California: Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth, Inc., 2015); and Steven Jones et al., “15 Years Later: On the Physics of High-Rise Building Collapses,” Europhysics News 47, no. 4 (2016): 21-26
  35. International Poll: No Consensus On Who Was Behind 9/11” (WorldPublicOpinion.org, September 10, 2008).
  36. Ibid.; “Why the 9/11 Conspiracies Have Changed,” BBC News Magazine, August 29, 2011.
  37. International Poll: No Consensus On Who Was Behind 9/11.” The figures I give have been arrived at by using data from the poll in combination with country population data for 2008 from the Population Reference Bureau.
  38. Muslim-Western Tensions Persist: Common Concerns About Islamic Extremism” (Pew Research Center, July 21, 2011). The figures I give have been arrived at by using data from the poll in combination with country population data for 2011 from the Population Reference Bureau.
  39. Unsettled Belonging: A Survey of Britain’s Muslim Communities.” (London: Policy Exchange, December 2, 2016); “‘What Muslims Want:’ A Survey of British Muslims by ICM on Behalf of Policy Exchange.” (London: Policy Exchange, December 2, 2016).
  40. Graeme MacQueen, “9/11 Truth: British Muslims Overwhelmingly Reject the Official 9/11 Story,” Global Research, December 29, 2016.
  41. Lance deHaven-Smith, Conspiracy Theory in America (Austin, Texas: Univ. of Texas Press, 2013). See Also: The Term “Conspiracy Theory” — an Invention of the CIA, by Rev. Douglass Wilson, Project Unspeakable
  42. Civil society researchers have, of course, already begun the job. Good books to begin with are: David Griffin, The New Pearl Harbor: Disturbing Questions About the Bush Administration and 9/11, Second edition (Northampton, Mass.: Interlink Publishing, 2004); David Griffin, The New Pearl Harbor Revisited: 9/11, The Cover-Up, and the Exposé (Northampton, Mass.: Interlink Publishing, 2008); James Gourley, ed., The 9/11 Toronto Report: International Hearings on the Events of September 11, 2001 (International Center for 9/11 Studies, 2012). Additional sources include the websites of Consensus 9/11 and the Journal of 9/11 Studies.

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Krizz
Krizz
Sep 15, 2021 6:00 AM

Dear MacQueen
You r not alone dear
About the left and so called pundits of the right spectrum criticizing Fidel is for me stimulus for my facial muscles to produce me a smile
As for Chomsky which i respect to a certain degree, he lacks – as Hedges himself a depressive and gloomy viewer of the world, Courage and Intrepidness (both with capitals), and their levels of it might be associated with their levels of involvement with the same stablishment they criticize of. Perhaps, or maybe their self vanity is an impedment to see far from their i believe very comfortable life and position among the, being left or right, elites they hang with.
Fidel above them all was a fighter, a warrior, a Man with a weapon close his grasp, his dedication to learn and be open to all outcomes far exceeds these intellectuals and so called journalists who think they know all.
Not to mention his charisma and legacy to millions of Cubans in regards of being aware against who fight with; empires.
The parallel here can be made to the complete brainwash the left, as far as i tolerate to read them nowadays, have suffered facing the blatant facts of this convid plandemic.
Like Amy Goodman from the Democracy Now who like Lula, like many others Green parties and Labours parties around the globe saying that stupid “stay safe”, wash your hands then anoint the with alcoholic sacred gel, wear the ‘Holy’ mask and finally at last be consecrated with the angelic injection the final solution according to that pathetic yet dangerous famous billionaire who happens to fund WHO who happens to give orders to corrupt FDA, CDC and alikes.
The left nowadays is a mere tool of the same powers they once spoke against. They promote the same conglomerates which extinguished Unions and a fair living for the lower classes, they approve, use and recommend the elites products and solutions without questioning and using their now extinct critical thinking. They wanna be China alike, serfs of a big machine, numbers inside a giant computer, one that does not give a dime or even a pennie for their disposable lifes of ants-alike existence. They will accept any injections in exchange of their
Sacrosanct Freedom and Liberty if they know what actually this is it.
Today might be these freaking mRNA’s with 1% or 2% (if most) efficacy hellish injections, which they might contract palsy, heart inflammations, clots or who knows what in the medium/long term.
But tomorrow might the Gates of hell open and instead of mRNA with graphene they will decide and force like China does a depopulation injection way more effective (“are you still an effective couple”) and terminal disguised as a flu killer.
Wake up world, in many countries there is already a rising China like regime being performed a mix of Fascist corporatocracy and non-elected leaders mandating whole populations, just look at ‘The Corporatocracy of Aussia’ the model of penal colony and many others lands out there, especially in the northern hemisphere.
So when some one says conspiracy theorist to you or me remember almost all of those are reality now.
Peace be with you.

Clive
Clive
Sep 12, 2021 5:40 PM

911 was a television producer’s greatest fantasy come true.

Who D. Who
Who D. Who
Sep 12, 2021 2:49 PM

Superb essay from McQueen. By my lights he is just as cool, and more crucial to our world, as that other McQueen, Steve.

scy
scy
Sep 12, 2021 12:26 AM
Phil Z
Phil Z
Sep 11, 2021 6:15 PM

A useful chart to distinguish true left media from faux left: https://swprs.org/media-navigator/

The media shown above are all faux left, “close to power” as the chart says.

NickM
NickM
Sep 11, 2021 8:35 PM
Reply to  Phil Z

Nice to see OffG and Saker there, Leftish and “far from power”.

George Mc
George Mc
Sep 12, 2021 7:37 PM
Reply to  Phil Z

The problem with clandestine networks is that it is difficult to draw accurate positions with respect to power. I would query the placing of the WSW as distant from power (even more distant than OffG according to the diagram). And yet it is the WSW – along with the other “Left” outlets which have been shilling for covid more relentlessly than anyone else. Spooks by definition cannot be seen. But by their words you shall know them.

Gezzah Potts
Gezzah Potts
Sep 15, 2021 10:12 AM
Reply to  George Mc

That’s exactly what I noticed also… the placing of the grotesque WSWS in the liberal and distant slot along with Jacobin and The Canary… all next to OffG. What? And those 3 have been amongst the very worst on the “Left” regards their cheering on the scamdemic narrative. In fact they make the WHO look positively sedate in comparison

Lost in a dark wood
Lost in a dark wood
Sep 11, 2021 5:36 PM

Zelenko: The difference between Australia and us is we have 450 million guns!

Dr. Vladimir Zelenko joins The Alex Jones Show to expose the medical tyranny takeover and how the people can fight back.
Sep 11, 2021.
BANNED.VIDEO (Infowars)

https://www.bitchute.com/video/SEzqC0bMxEY3

Cliff Edwards
Cliff Edwards
Sep 13, 2021 4:46 AM

Am looking forward very much to watching the forthcoming videos of all you USAmericans bringing about the collapse of the pseudopandemic by waving your dick extensions around.

Lost in a dark wood
Lost in a dark wood
Sep 13, 2021 8:43 AM
Reply to  Cliff Edwards

Unfortunately, I’m there in spirit only. I doubt it will come to a shooting war, but the readiness is a necessary component of Trump’s “stand back and stand by”.

John Goss
John Goss
Sep 11, 2021 4:34 PM

I’ve done a bit of work in trying to show how the twin towers, and building 7, could not have collapsed the way they did without being compromised at the bottom and weakened at other points higher up. It defies science. Here I try to explain as simply as possible, why. So whether one of President Ahmadinejad of Iran’s theories is right or not – the official version certainly isn’t.

https://johnplatinumgoss.com/2021/09/11/jenga-the-twin-towers-and-cognitive-dissonance/

NickM
NickM
Sep 11, 2021 8:50 PM
Reply to  John Goss

Here are his 3 options, in decreasing order of probability:

“The first was the U.S. government’s hypothesis — “a very powerful and complex terrorist group, able to successfully cross all layers of the U.S intelligence and security, carried out the attack.”

The second was the [rogue element] hypothesis — “some segments within the U.S. government orchestrated the attack to reverse the declining U.S economy and its grips on the Middle East in order also to save the Zionist regime [from Iraq’s increasing military strength].”

The third was a somewhat weaker version of the second, namely that the assault “was carried out by a terrorist group but the U.S government supported and took advantage of the situation.”

Twenty years and ??? $Trillions later, the Iranian view seems nearer to the truth, and Iran is stronger than it was. The U$ view seems further from the truth, and the U$A is weaker than it was.

“A moderate house of cards the greatest wit,
Though he can start it, cannot finish it” — Goethe, Faust.

John Goss
John Goss
Sep 12, 2021 2:39 PM
Reply to  NickM

If any are right, I think the first might be closest, but it is all card tricks, smoke and mirrors, deceit, deception and sleight of hand, and the magicians who are creating illusion come from the dark side. Their House of Cards will soon, like the twin towers, as the Goethe quote emphasises, come falling down.

aspnaz
aspnaz
Sep 11, 2021 12:03 PM

An interesting article for all on the “left” who believe that now the “left” has gone loopy and is supporting totalitarianism, that suddenly the “left right paradigm” is a figment of our imaginations, or some billionaire conspiracy, or some similar rubbish and does not really exist … https://alt-market.us/leftists-have-appointed-themselves-as-our-cultural-educators-but-they-have-nothing-to-teach/

Koba
Koba
Sep 11, 2021 9:49 AM

It’s almost like mainstream wannabe lefties are just wanting to be like the celebs they worship. Fuck em. They’re just as bad as the most deranged anti communist right wingers around. These are the people I hope get vaxxed do they can fuck off quicker

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Sep 11, 2021 8:32 AM

I have no new evidence to bring to the debate, which is decades old now, as to how his mind and the other great minds of the U.S. left leadership could have failed to see what was obvious to so many.

Perhaps no new evidence, Graeme, but what about analysis of all the evidence to hand? Has all the analysis been done that could have been done?

The 9/11 Consensus Panel points out how so much purported evidence for the planes doesn’t add up to the point that there is no reason to believe there were any planes. This can only lead to the inference that the deaths of the alleged 265 passengers were faked. Leading from that inference shouldn’t we question all the other alleged deaths? People are alleging to be the loved ones of both people who died in the buildings and in the planes but if no people died in the planes then those claiming to be the loved ones of people who died in the planes must surely be actors (or else an alleged passenger may have wanted to “disappear” without their loved ones knowing which is not an unlikely scenario in my opinion).
https://www.consensus911.org/the-911-consensus-points/

Australian comedian, Simon Kennedy, claims his mother died in the flight that allegedly crashed into the Pentagon, Flight 77, but there is no evidence of the airliner that allegedly crashed and thus we can only infer Simon’s mother didn’t die in that plane and Simon is lying or his mother wanted to do a “disappearing” trick. Perhaps his mother died of cancer or some other cause and conveniently this was put down to 9/11 or else she was assigned a new identity and went to live elsewhere – who knows? If people claiming that loved ones died in the planes on 9/11 are actors, what’s to say that people claiming loved ones died in the buildings are not also actors? What is to say that the jumpers weren’t faked? What is to say that all purported evidence for death, not just the purported deaths of those in the planes, isn’t fake? Similarly, for injury.
https://7news.com.au/news/nsw/australian-comedian-simon-kennedy-who-lost-mum-in-911-terror-attacks-makes-appeal-to-sydneysiders-to-help-commemorate-anniversary-c-3908787

If the deaths of those in the planes were faked and we know they are being lied about then that necessitates stringent analysis of the other alleged deaths and claims of injury. This has not been done by those prominent in the 9/11 truth movement although it has been done by others. Those prominent in the truth movement seem to have been seduced into believing the purported evidence for death and injury caused by the building collapses without considering the possibility of fakery and without careful examination of the purported evidence of death and injury. There is no reason a priori that the buildings couldn’t have been evacuated / had people kept out of through the use of multiple drills and, as the Consensus Panel has pointed out, many drills were conducted on 9/11.

Where is the clear evidence that says that 9/11 wasn’t, in reality, a massive exercise comprising the many drills we were told about … plus a few more?

9/11 was a terror psyop. They wanted us to believe in a terror attack that killed and injured a large number of people. They wanted us to believe in it. What did they want to do for real and what were they obliged to do for real, if anything?

The most important alleged crime on 9/11 was the killing and injuring of people while lying about how the buildings came down and terrorists in planes are secondary crimes and yet far more attention has been paid to the secondary crimes than the alleged primary crime.

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Sep 11, 2021 9:35 AM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

Oops, careless reading, “no new evidence” refers to JFK, nevertheless, my comment still applies for 9/11.

juno
juno
Sep 11, 2021 3:57 PM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

I don’t think the loss of the passengers was faked because there are too many people who genuinely did lose friends and family. In America you don’t have to scratch hard to find them. That isn’t faked. However, I see more of an MH-whatever fate for them…a robot steered ghost plane flying out over the Atlantic with depressurized corpses in the seats, true flying dutchmen until the sea swallows them.

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Sep 12, 2021 2:53 AM
Reply to  juno

… because there are too many people who genuinely did lose friends and family. In America you don’t have to scratch hard to find them.

I don’t think you’re aware of how many people are prepared to lie. You don’t think Robbie Parker genuinely lost his 6 year-old daughter at Sandy Hook, right? So if he’s lying as are all the other “parents”, “teachers”, “witnesses”, etc we have a reasonable number right there.

My neighbour knew quite a few people involved in the Bali bombing psyop and thinks it was real for that reason (I’ve yet to have a serious discussion with her about it) and funnily enough I’ve met a number of people who know people or know people who know people who were allegedly injured or died in the event but the evidence clearly shows psyop. Some of their family may be in on it, some not, likewise for friends, I don’t know – either they’re not in on it or they’re lying. I met a Balinese guy whose father was working next to the bar where the bombing took place. He said he was asked to go and help with the injured but when he went to help there was no one injured to help.

Little Johnny Howard presided over at least 4 major psyops during his “reign” but I’m sure many more I’m not aware of: Port Arthur massacre, the two fake refugee boats either side of 9/11 (Tampa affair and “children overboard”), and the Bali bombing. Of course, Little Johnny just happened to be paying a surprise visit to Washington on the fateful day. What an amazing coincidence!

Jubal Hershaw
Jubal Hershaw
Sep 11, 2021 6:44 AM

The only terror wrist i know is an enraged handbag wielding trannie.

Koba
Koba
Sep 11, 2021 9:50 AM
Reply to  Jubal Hershaw

Offering the usual rape threats too while doing it! TrannyLife

Arby
Arby
Sep 11, 2021 6:02 AM

“Educator Paulo Freire, himself a victim of the 1964 coup in Brazil, pointed out years ago that when members of an oppressor class join oppressed people in their struggle for justice they may, despite the best of intentions, bring prejudices with them, “which include a lack of confidence in the people’s ability to think…and to know.” Is it possible that the left leadership in the U.S. has fallen into this trap?”

Bias is powerful. Why can’t champions within the anti-covid 1984 camp grasp the simple idea that there’s no Sars CoV 2 virus? It’s not like that can’t be explained. I’m not a powerful thinker (and I know it) but I can follow the basics enough to know that they have not isolated – proven the existence of – the Sars CoV 2 virus. All viruses were ‘found’ (created) via computer gimmikery.

Why couldn’t Noam Chomsky give any consideration to and acknowledgment of a real, burgeoning alternative media and instead cling to his establishment sources, some of which he called ‘alternative’ (in order to mislead?). I don’t know what the author’s view is of Chomsky’s book titled “Rethinking Camelot,” but I thought, and still think, that it’s a good book. But I completely agree with the author about Chomsky’s arrogant dismissal of those who had, and have, questions about the official account of 9/11. (“Rethinking Camelot” is not merely Chomsky dismissing those who want to explore JFK’s assassination. Chomsky clearly sets out his argument – that seeking explanations and motives in the differences in policy between JFK and his successor would yield nothing because those policies [not shaped by a love for peace] were the same – and he proceeds to argue it well, say you will about that.) I saw a clip of Noam talking with Michael Albert about something or other (9/11 or JFK – I forget) and I was seriously disappointed. The tone was really off. Noam was only interested in disparaging ‘fools’ who go online and read a little of this or that and imagine that they are experts. Now, that’s probably true in ‘some’ cases. But Noam couldn’t temper his statement in such a fashion. He had zero encouragement for those who genuinely wanted to know and would go wherever they thought they might find information.

That love/hate relationship with the establishment and especially corporate media, I believe, plus arrogance and bias, is what led to Chomsky’s defection to the dark side. He’s on the side of the demons and he’s in darkness. By the time Syria went down, he was so unable to do serious research that he bought the ridiculous barrel bombs (Assad) story!

Koba
Koba
Sep 11, 2021 9:51 AM
Reply to  Arby

You should look up Michael Parenti! He’s everything Noam Chomsky wishes he was! Aka a genuine threat to the system

James II
James II
Sep 11, 2021 3:33 PM
Reply to  Koba

Yeah and ego to go along with it.

Arby
Arby
Sep 11, 2021 6:21 PM
Reply to  Koba

Michael Parenti, and his son Christian (whose book “The Soft Cage” I’ve read, are indeed good – when they’re good. I haven’t followed Christian, so I can’t say much about him. He also has an entry in “The Secure And The Dispossessed,” editted by Nick Buxton and Ben Hayes (with a foreward by Susan George who was kind enough to give me a quote specifically for my own use.) That book is good, I think, despite the contribution by Nafeez Ahmed, a supreme faker. (Nafeez has, however, written some good stuff.)

I’ve been following politcs since the mid 80s, so I’m going to be familiar with quite a few authors on the Left and, through reputation, many on the Right (and in between). M Parent’s book “Gods And Demons,” which it appears I threw out but I could be wrong, starts off interesting and then just becomes rubbish in my view. I didn’t read it. But Parenti’s embrace of Camelot propaganda shows me that he is, afterall, not full resistant to the establishment’s influence.

Have you read Noam Chomsky?

Koba
Koba
Sep 17, 2021 8:21 AM
Reply to  Arby

He hasn’t embraced Camelot propaganda he’s been extremely critical of JFK

Arby
Arby
Sep 17, 2021 12:43 PM
Reply to  Koba

I’ve read plenty of criticism of JFK by plenty of pro Camelot folks. He has embraced Camelot propaganda.

remo
remo
Sep 11, 2021 5:50 AM

At pretrial, before three judges deciding admissibility of evidence in case of CIA’s Clay Shaw by Jim Garrison, the entire Warren Commission report was denied status as evidence for the defence. Deemed Here-say.
Later, Mark LANE, in HUNT vs SPOTLIGHT; Miami Florida 1985 trial; a Jury found – by unanimous decision – the CIA had murdered Kennedy. No single major newspaper – or any national news broadcast has ever reported that Feb. 6, 1985 decision.

Onwards to 911. The Official account labelled it a ‘Failure of Imagination’ in or by those tasked with ‘protecting the homeland’ -> who obviously weren’t trained in the black-op arts of ‘By Way of Deception,Thou Shalt Wage War’. Practicalities of the Trojan Horse .
Of course, they were playing with everybody, by that ‘account’. Likened to FU game theory. It’s a trick. A trick corroborated by black-site torture sessions where ‘the official narratives’ were waterboarded INTO the prisoners so their stories would match the script written by malevolent myth-maker Phillip Zelikow. The failure was in the global imagination that couldn’t and still cannot see the difference between BLAST damage; and the collapse physics Fairy-Tale in NY’ sold courtesy of Zelikow, Sunstein, BUSH-CHENEY, Ehud BARAK and BBCNN.

Which brings to mind John Pilgers quote:  “In the 1970s, I met Leni Reifenstahl, close friend of Adolf Hitler, whose films helped cast the Nazi spell over Germany. She told me that the message in her films, the propaganda, was dependent not on “orders from above” but on what she called the “submissive void” of the public.
“Did this submissive void include the liberal, educated bourgeoisie?” I asked her.
“Of course,” she said, “especially the intelligentsia…. When people no longer ask serious questions, they are submissive and malleable. Anything can happen.” 

les online
les online
Sep 11, 2021 4:20 AM

Who can forget the failure of the imagination the official / legal left during the national strike/ factory occupations during May-June 1968 in France ?

During the 50 years since the 1918 seizure of state power by the Bolshevik Party in Russia, the legal left’s imaginations, from the mass French Communist Party to the insignificant Trotskyite and Maoist groupuscules, were of a re-run of the Russian event.

So, as the Outbreak of Discontent didnt conform to how they imagined the New French Revolution would unfold, they either opposed it outright, or did their best to undermine the occupations/strike
.
If only there had been a French Lenin promoting his slogan “All Power to the Soviets !”,The French might have fallen to the sway of their own Bolshevik Government, and French Commissars.

(Who needs Memory Holes when Historical Amnesia works ?)

Jeffrey Strahl
Jeffrey Strahl
Sep 11, 2021 5:08 AM
Reply to  les online

Lenin put out a slogan about “All power to the Soviets,” but after taking state power, his regime took away all the powers from the soviets, which means local councils, as well as the factory committees, and vested it in the party central committee and state organs. Basically they staged a counter revolution. People in France knew about this, weren’t gonna fall for that BS again.
Brinton Bolsheviks and Workers’ Control
http://www.marxists.org/archive/brinton/1970/workers-control/

les online
les online
Sep 11, 2021 6:18 AM
Reply to  Jeffrey Strahl

Some radicals still remained in the Bolshevik Party after the seizure of state power. One was Alexandra Kollontai – first female cabinet minister in the world.
She sided with the Workers Opposition against the leaders, was one of the few party members to raise her voice against Trotsky’s crushing of Kronstadt. When Trotsky saw the need to oppose the Party’s leaders with his Left Opposition a few years after dispensing with Kollontai, he reaped his Icepick fate .Historical Amnesia was Kollontai’s Fate.

Koba
Koba
Sep 11, 2021 9:55 AM
Reply to  les online

Leon throughly deserved that ice pick to the head! Plain and simple

Koba
Koba
Sep 11, 2021 9:54 AM
Reply to  Jeffrey Strahl

You don’t just hand worker control (that increased drastically under Stalin) to backwards people just coming out of advanced serfdom! You have to lead and teach! And he was forced to do socialism in the cities and capitalism in the countryside via the NEP

les online
les online
Sep 11, 2021 2:59 AM

Sheeple, anyone ? Leaders, and potential leaders, share a common outlook which “includes a lack of confidence in the people’s ability to think…and to know.” That’s why they regard sheeple as sheeple.

In Australia there are only two main political grouping: Pro- Australian Labor Party / Anti- Australian Labor Party. Everyone takes their orientation from the ALP. It seems the ALP is considered to be The Moral Party. Everyone is Really Scandalised when it’s a Labor Scandal, whereas ‘it’s expected’ from the Other Mob.

‘The Left” seems to have the same role in the Political-Moral Drama. We Expect The Right
to do Naughty Things, are scandalised if ‘The Left’ does the same. ‘The Left’ always disappoint ! tut-tut !

charles kint
charles kint
Sep 11, 2021 2:55 AM

good piece!
it is because despite knowing better we look the other way, this gives this illicit evil the confidence to go carryout more brazen acts as even a take over of the world under false pretenses

Patrick L.
Patrick L.
Sep 11, 2021 1:36 AM

Re: “The Left”: What is it, exactly? Who owns that term? What does it even mean in 2021? For whom, exactly, is it claiming to speak? Where is the basis it claims to speak for?

Today in Berlin, Mayor Müller (SPD – basically New Labour equivalent) said that politics was “reaching its limit” when it came to “vaccine-hesitancy”. Make of that what you will. But the embarrassing fact is, jab-uptake among Berlin residents has basically stopped dead at around 60%, despite hectoring ads and pop-up jab-shops everywhere.

Response from the head of the “oppositional” “Left Party” (Die Linke)? He announced his desire for “80% plus” (“and by ‘plus’, I mean well above 80%” — sic).

Arby
Arby
Sep 11, 2021 6:17 AM
Reply to  Patrick L.

Ah, Bias! Bias might explain why public intellectuals, even the best, even the most moral, CAN. NOT. SAY ‘fake Left’.

Edith
Edith
Sep 11, 2021 7:36 AM
Reply to  Patrick L.

What is this obsession with 80%. Is this what they need to make the vax passports work? Bring in the new currency? They are all obsessed by our refusal to get to the 80% and talk as if their lives depend on it…it gets even more weird when we see countries like israel who may have gotten there collapsing with new renewed enthusiasm to get 3 and 4 obviously indicating it doesn’t work ….so why would one want 1 in this case…

Patrick L.
Patrick L.
Sep 12, 2021 7:37 PM
Reply to  Edith

The insistence on 80% and higher (they really mean 100%) makes it impossible to believe that they are not pursuing a deeply nefarious agenda. They can’t risk having a large control group that survives in good health while the “vaccinated” succumb in droves (maybe immediately, maybe only years later) to the gunk they’ve been injected with.

One thing’s certain: the ruling class have really bet the farm on this coup succeeding. They cannot afford to fail. They know how Hitler and Mussolini ended.

The past 18 months of fascist restrictions have already damaged the health of billions, intentionally. I am dreading what the winter will bring. Without doubt it will be blamed on (some new variant of) the Killer Virus, and even stronger pressure will be inflicted on the filthy unjabbed.

We keep hearing the wearisome objection that such a huge lie would be impossible to conceal, as if every health administrator, media drone and local politician (e.g, Berlin’s Mayor), woud have to be “in on the plan”. No. These people are mere careerists, order-takers, obedient bureaucrats and ambitious social climbers who know from instinct & experience which questions not to risk asking. But such little Eichmanns, in all countries, are indispensable to the success of any large-scale atrocity — and now they too have bet their careers and reputations on not being wrong. This makes them increasingly dangerous.

It’s very ordinary madness, very banal evil.

tony_0pmoc
tony_0pmoc
Sep 11, 2021 1:04 AM

I tried to post this on Craig Murray’s Blog. I don’t know if it will pass moderation, and I nearly had a go at one of the Russians – The Saker, for being so damn rude to one of his Dutch Guests..

I have read The Saker’s Book, and it is Really Good. It took him 10 years to Get 9/11, but he admitted it, and I retain massive Respect for him , but don’t be rude to Dutch people, who understand and speak better English than both you or me and understand conflict, with barbed wire, if that is all you have got.

The Saker was just so incredibly Arrogant, to his Dutch Guest

It’s his blog. It took him 10 years to get 9/11. He has had 2 years to get COVID, and he still hasn’t got it yet.

I don’t compete with any of these people who have the courage to run their own blogs, and I retain massive respect for them, even though most of them are ex Military

I did join the St Vincent-De-Paul society which was pretty much like the Scouts, except they allowed the Girls in My Class to come too, before Secondary School.

We slept in seperate tents, and played games together for a week or two together Camping close to the Beach at Mablethorpe and Filey in North Yorkshire

We used to play hide and seek.

Nothing much has changed, we just got older.

“Jiggy – Skellig”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tPGZ-qj0zYI

Tony

Jeffrey Strahl
Jeffrey Strahl
Sep 11, 2021 12:47 AM

The “left”‘s essential endorsement of the official 9/11 story, in the face of its contradictions of the laws of physics and numerous other problems, is a key reason why this story is still widely accepted in the US.
 http://www.globalresearch.ca/left-leaning-despisers-of-the-9-11-truth-movement-do-you-really-believe-in-miracles/20039

tony_0pmoc
tony_0pmoc
Sep 11, 2021 12:23 AM

I don’t do Evil. 9/11 bored me Shitless 10 years ago.

I didn’t want to talk about it or even post about it any of it.

I don’t want to talk about COVID either

I know the same Evil Bastards are Still in Control.

They aren’t just going to Disappear whilst they are Killing us with Their Nudge Unit and Their Jabs…

I wanted to get Tony Blair on Trial for war crimes against humanity more than 10 years ago with the help of My Ex’s Kids – Trained Lawyers, who had more reason than me, to put this evil bastard on trial

I marched against war…

So what do we do?

I occasionaly find a list of these evil bastards with names and addresses, but I am not going to knock on their front door

eg

ANTHONY CHARLES LYNTON BLAIR’s front door and ask if I can come to his Party.

All it takes is one coordinated hit.

You Should Already Be Dead you evil piece of shit.

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Tony

NixonScraypes
NixonScraypes
Sep 10, 2021 11:40 PM

Do we have to take Castro seriously. Do we have to pretend that the left right paradigm is anything other than a strategic device of the divide and conquer routine? Does it take imagination or intuition? I don’t know what you call it but when you’ve been around for seventy years or so with an open mind , some things are just obvious. It’s all a ficticious performance with real life players as Kalen observed the other day, produced and directed by the parasites. Now I find Miles Mathis a bit irritating and his genealogies bewildering but his piece on Castro is an eye opener. We’re supposed to believe the most implausible rubbish in his myth that we would ridicule if it was said about some local chancer we knew of. Apart from the real suffering of unfortunates caught up in it 911 was just a performance, a ritual carried out by the parasite gang. To see it any other way is to be a part of it, a heavy weight historian being really serious about a farce.

Howard
Howard
Sep 11, 2021 3:31 AM
Reply to  NixonScraypes

The correct – i.e., cynical – view that, as Francis Richard Conolly put it in “JFK to 911: Everything Is A Rich Man’s Trick,” overlooks something of perhaps some consequence: the millions of ordinary people who still take things seriously.

Forget for a moment the larger than life poster boys – the “Leaders”; the “Left” and “Right” flourished well enough for TPTB to take them over because millions of people believed in what they were supposed to stand for.

It’s never because of some charismatic “Leader” that movements gain momentum. It’s because of millions of ordinary people who believe in certain ideas which the “Leader” just happens to espouse.

And TPTB are scared shitless that some “Leader” they anoint just by chance might say something that prompts the millions out there to rise up against them before they can put a lid on it.

Edith
Edith
Sep 11, 2021 7:43 AM
Reply to  Howard

Well I guess they think they have the right….they spend millions with think tanks and poll conducting to see what may fly and even dreaming up what may fly and sending it through the media for months before any election…anything in power these days isn’t there by chance….they have devised the formula to play the game and as we are now finding out there isn’t any difference in sides….especially in aust…they are all equally corrupt,,,

NixonScraypes
NixonScraypes
Sep 11, 2021 7:44 PM
Reply to  Edith

Yes, how many thousands have they got seething in those think tanks? Night and day, studying us, gaming our reactions, thinking they’re part of the elite.

James II
James II
Sep 11, 2021 3:37 PM
Reply to  NixonScraypes

Hear hear! Ridiculous sophomoric dribble. Castro was Rockefeller hack from the getgo.

Zardoz
Zardoz
Sep 10, 2021 11:16 PM

The US “truther” movement is largely composed of “patriots” from the southern states who are almost comical in their ignorance of how the south is very much involved in the “Deep State” behind the crimes that bother them so much, and that they will never be able to solve. At this point it is like Alex Jones on broken record. Sorry.

JFK was a US president and as such was never going to be the saviour these naive simpletons imagine- and they do not have the mental capacity to process the inarguable photographic evidence presented by Judy Wood ( a woman!), so they resort to mockery and blocking….. truly pathetic.

aspnaz
aspnaz
Sep 11, 2021 1:25 AM
Reply to  Zardoz

It’s all the fault of the rednecks? And you call them simpletons!

Koba
Koba
Sep 11, 2021 10:25 AM
Reply to  aspnaz

Sorry but those people get so much right then veer off wildly towards the end! They are essentially Alex Jones in the 90’s. Alex would say the fbi is involved in dodgy shit, you agree, he then says the CIA is a criminal entity and you agree then he says “and it’s all because they’re communists” and that’s when they veer wildly off road and smack into a wall

Maiasta
Maiasta
Sep 11, 2021 5:01 PM
Reply to  Koba

That’s because the patriotic ideal is the founding myth of the US. Every culture has one. But in the case of the US, it leaves patriots incapable of adequately distinguishing between American society and the criminal cabal called government. So, if a patriot discovers that his government is systematically committing massive crimes, it must be because they aren’t real Americans, and/or because they follow a foreign ideology (Communism, Islam, etc.)

Almost all people on the American Right, from Mike Adams to Alex Jones to Pat Buchanan share this delusion to one degree or another.

Koba
Koba
Sep 11, 2021 10:23 AM
Reply to  Zardoz

You did so well until you mentioned judy wood

George Mc
George Mc
Sep 10, 2021 9:04 PM

I just caught a bit of a Bruce Springsteen docu which referred to 9/11 as the most devastating terrorist atrocity in all history! Well you learn something new every day!

George Mc
George Mc
Sep 10, 2021 9:20 PM
Reply to  George Mc

And does anyone recall the time when the emotive word “atrocity” started to creep into news bulletins. At one time the media was better at conveying a sense of objectivity. Not any more. It becomes increasingly hysterical every day.

ZigZagWanderer
ZigZagWanderer
Sep 10, 2021 11:49 PM
Reply to  George Mc

Africa 1970’s ….. UK newsdesks seemed fond of the word when describing machette attacks in places such as Idi Amins’ Uganda.

I also recall it being used regarding violent events in Northern Ireland around the same time.

And of course it was widely used in the early 1980’s to describe the girly hairstyles favoured by male ‘New Romantics’ ….. 😉

Ort
Ort
Sep 10, 2021 10:20 PM
Reply to  George Mc

It’s not clear whether Bruce or perhaps a narrator made that reference, but either way– did they identify who or what they meant by “terrorist”?

NixonScraypes
NixonScraypes
Sep 10, 2021 11:45 PM
Reply to  Ort

Well for a start, Springsteen is a terrorist.

firuza
firuza
Sep 11, 2021 6:51 AM
Reply to  NixonScraypes

Springsteen was scheduled to play at the NYC Homecoming concert which was for injected people only. He was going to perform a duet with Patti Smith but it was rained out. Both of them are now irrelevant. Patti Smith has destroyed her legacy.

George Mc
George Mc
Sep 11, 2021 8:58 AM
Reply to  Ort

I only caught a few seconds of it and I sure as he’ll wasn’t sticking around. From what I saw it was one if a million grind ‘em up and shove ‘em out pieces for undiscriminating fans who just want to see their hero.

I recall watching a documentary on the nuke bombing of Japan, telling the story from both sides. From the US side it was all about straightening out tech glitches. You’d think they were rehearsing for a fairground ride. From the Jap side it was of course unimaginable horror. But you see because it was only Japs, the Yanks don’t care.

So the entire destruction of all life outside America means nothing but if someone so much as insults a person’s gender or whatever inside America then it’s the ultimate atrocity.

As for Bruce, I went through a phase of liking him but it was more because I felt that my mates were into him so I thought I ought to be too. I now see him as perhaps the ultimate example of the behemoth “prole” rocker who is waaaaay above his gullible audience.

Zardoz
Zardoz
Sep 10, 2021 11:19 PM
Reply to  George Mc

Yes, the nuclear bombing of not one but two cities when the war was already won was nothing.
Springsteen is ‘murica personified.

Howard
Howard
Sep 11, 2021 3:37 AM
Reply to  Zardoz

Ah, but those were neither ‘muricans nor Europeans who died in those two cities – so it doesn’t qualify as terrorism.

Thom
Thom
Sep 11, 2021 10:03 PM
Reply to  Zardoz

I used to have a lot of time for Bruce, and I suppose his 70s stuff still holds up musically. Sadly, like most musicians, when they get big they are either captured by the deep state or destroyed. Most of the great ones are dead and/or discredited (Elvis, Lennon, Marley, Jim Morrison, Michael Jackson etc) and the stooges like Springsteen survive, courtesy of a network of media lackeys and sycophants, and probably ghost songwriters.

Patrick L.
Patrick L.
Sep 11, 2021 12:57 AM
Reply to  George Mc

Bruce “Sweatyballs” Springsteen shows why the Americans call it rack music; it’s an instrument of torture.

“The Boss” (sic) has always been a horrible phoney. I’m old enough to remember when his record company took out full-page ads in the NME, screaming: “Is Britain ready for SPRINGSTEEN?” The responses were withering, and often very funny.

Back then, the NME also had an irregular column entitled: “BISMILLAH!” (Subtitle: “No, we will NOT let him go!”) about The Worst Lyrics in Rock. Sweatyballs’s emissions featured prominently.

Howard
Howard
Sep 11, 2021 3:45 AM
Reply to  Patrick L.

As with too many other performers to name here, I liked a couple Springsteen songs. That’s all I expect of a performer.

One of pop music’s biggest innovators was Phil Spector; but, alas, he seems to have had somewhat less than a sterling character. For the life of me, I can’t see how that has the slightest effect on his accomplishments.

One of the best performances I’ve ever seen on TV was a song sung by a woman named Pam Myers on the old Merv Griffin show. Anyone ever heard of her? I doubt it; she never made it big.

The only stars worthy of the name are the ones you (sometimes) see in the night sky.

Judith
Judith
Sep 11, 2021 12:56 PM
Reply to  Howard

Howard, you’re not going to believe this. Well, of course you will, but….

Out of curiosity I searched Pam Myers.

She was nominated for a Tony back in early 70s for Sondheim’s “Company”.

Went on to do some TV and a Broadway revival.

I read all of this on Wikipedia. When I clicked off that I saw the headline on another site – WKR2 Local 12 Cincinnati.

About the Broadway Star who recently lost her singing voice due to – you guessed it.

The story was from July 2021. She is advocating the vaccine because her nervous system (vocal chords) were affected by the C-vid. Not sure wether she had the shot before her symptoms, or since. It does not say.

I am sorry she has lost her singing voice (for now, working on getting it back) but is this some coincidence.

Ort
Ort
Sep 11, 2021 8:51 PM
Reply to  Patrick L.

I never warmed up to Springsteen. I don’t regret it now, but after he became highly popular I secretly felt mildly embarrassed or guilty about the irrational basis for my coolness.

I still vividly remember sitting in my doctor’s office waiting room in 1975, and idly picking up an issue of TIME Magazine with Springsteen on the cover. It was an overblown puff piece, or puff piece writ large, sycophantically, even orgasmically, touting Bruce as the “new Bob Dylan”.

Although my adulatory interest in Dylan had diminished at the time, after Bob retreated from his Countercultural Messiah phase and became jes’ an ordinary musical entertainer and a conspicuously conventional Family Man, the Springsteen hype infuriated me.

I remember thinking, “This guy must have the greatest publicist money can buy!” It’s unfair to judge Bruce’s talent by that early hype– and I dimly recall that it’s acknowledged, or lamented, that Bruce’s entrance onto the world stage was regrettably over-hyped– but that TIME magazine adulation sharply soured my interest. Having heard his work in passing over the years, FWIW I think it’s OK, but obviously I wasn’t getting into it.

Overhyping hot new acts for the Youth Market is an old story, of course. Even legitimate artistic geniuses are put through the Cash Cow mill by innumerable greedy ten-percenters.

I still remember when a Scottish pop band, the Bay City Rollers, was hyped as “bigger than the Beatles”, the “new Beatles”, etc. a few years before Bruce surfaced. I didn’t follow the Rollers either, but I think it’s safe to say that they are not widely considered to have eclipsed The Beatles in fame or creative output.

JohnEss
JohnEss
Sep 11, 2021 2:36 AM
Reply to  George Mc

Ironically, like him, it was born in the U.S.A.

George Mc
George Mc
Sep 10, 2021 8:48 PM

Whilst venturing through Tescos, noting the replacement of shelves by pallets of clearance items, and the ubiquitous soothing robotic voice assuring us that we are all in this together and reminding us of our “duties”, I thought of this bizarre scenario from two angles: first, that no-one would have believed it could happen last spring and second, that surely only the most dense could think this temporary. The directors of our public behaviour did not come all this way to back out now. And despite consolatory noises about what we will do when this is all over, the news continues to accelerate the panic mongering no matter how pathetic it all looks. Thus, “The highest figures yet ….the pressure continues to mount….” etc.

Does anyone NOT get the obvious fact that this is IT? This is indeed a change that is unprecedented in the lifetime of anyone now alive. And it is permanent.

The economic effects that our brave Leftists were so snooty about are starting to kick in. Is this Left going to ignore these effects the way it ignored the “trivial” matter of “non-covid” deaths and all the psychological strain that has caused God knows how many suicides and breakdowns?

Zardoz
Zardoz
Sep 10, 2021 11:25 PM
Reply to  George Mc

Over here, LIDL have installed proper traffic lights on metal posts above the entrance of their stores, which I suppose turn red when there are “too many people” inside. It would be a shame for all that hardware to be torn down already!

The speakers inside their store continue to emit the same lie every two minutes: “for your protection, masks must be worn etc” when the official lie is that the masks are for protecting others from your viruses, not yourself….

At least some of their security guards are sympathetic and can turn a blind eye to “improper” mask wearing… but fuck me if i don’t dream of bulldozing the place every fucking time.

I now walk straight up to the security guard upon entry and tell them that I have asthma and cannot breathe properly with a mask. That usually gets them to leave me alone.

Koba
Koba
Sep 11, 2021 10:28 AM
Reply to  Zardoz

I just waltz into shops like it’s 2019

Edith
Edith
Sep 11, 2021 7:49 AM
Reply to  George Mc

Yep I still run into them thinking they should have the jab so they can travel…when I tell them no one is going anywhere, have you not noticed…well yes but they might one hour…well wait until then and see if you can afford the airfare,,,,at that point they look at me in sheer horror….

do any of these people actually note what is actually going on around them….the closing in on all freedoms etc? Seems they just keep watching the TV as if it is some reality show that will soon stop and their old life will resume….bizarre at one level.

Martin Usher
Martin Usher
Sep 10, 2021 8:15 PM

This is a very well written article — thanks.

I won’t comment on historical events or ‘the left’ just yet but just mention contemporary media reports and political statements about Afghanistan. It doesn’t take a piercing insight to see that they’re pushing a narrative, a political framework through which we’re supposed to view events and people, that adheres to the time worn ‘Cold War’ template. Its laughably obvious that this narrative doesn’t represent reality but by a constant process of repetition the puerps seem to be hoping to prevail. We might ask ‘why?’, there could be a Machavellian purpose behind it all, but it also could be nothing more than years of ingrained habit — we do it because we can’t stop, we don’t know how to do anything else.

George Mc
George Mc
Sep 10, 2021 8:02 PM

Another way of looking at it – and one that is becoming increasingly unavoidable – is that the Left don’t exist I.e. they don’t exist as an opposition or even as a movement distinct from the corporate state.

They were an obstacle to the understanding of the JFK assassination and a positive menace regarding the assessment of 9/11.

And with covid they have DISAPPEARED! Here even any apparent distinction between the Left and the rulers is gone. Or to be more precise, the rulers have staged their own submission (!) before an ascendant Left who … turn out to be those same rulers!

Meanwhile certain factions in the useful idiot blathering section of the Left (an impressively large section) still drone on irrelevantly but with decreasing volume as a vague inkling comes to them that perhaps they aren’t that clever after all!

draeger
draeger
Sep 10, 2021 8:45 PM
Reply to  George Mc

exactly – well said!

Judith
Judith
Sep 10, 2021 9:04 PM
Reply to  draeger

Ditto. My feelings exactly.

“Where have all the leftists gone,
Long time passin’….”

Maiasta
Maiasta
Sep 10, 2021 9:16 PM
Reply to  George Mc

I think you hit the nail on the head in every point there. Cultural theorist Paul Virilio talked about the political domestication of the Left as a byproduct of technologocal advance. With shades of Marcuse, he observed that the increasing sophistication of industrial society produced a concomitant reduction in the scope for any genuine opposition. Street-level opposition was restrained by the total control of urban space & the immediacy of the methods of surveillance and repression, whilst parliamentary opposition was simply bought-off and accomodated itself. For Virilio, the real, revolutionary left died some time before WWII (despite a final flash-in-the-pan in 1968).

9/11 brought this home in a big way, and everything that the above article says was demonstrated back in 2004 by a series called “Left Gatekeepers” on a now-defunct website called Questions Questions. This site showed the foundation-funding that almost all of the US left websites and organisations were totally dependent upon. With complete predictability, all of these financed outlets systematically suppressed and/or sabotaged efforts to push the Truth movement’s discoveries into the wider public consciousness. And this all began just as the US was preparing its genocidal invasion of Iraq.

Not only is there no redemption possible for any of those groups, but they’ve ceased to have any relevance at all.

gumby
gumby
Sep 10, 2021 10:25 PM
Reply to  Maiasta

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Maiasta
Maiasta
Sep 11, 2021 1:00 AM
Reply to  gumby

Yeah, that was their key chart.

xenon
xenon
Sep 12, 2021 11:51 PM
Reply to  gumby

The names of the gatekeepers all have one thing in common, a guilt by association that reveals the motivation and beneficiaries of 9/11. No wonder we will never make any progress.

Dr Rogue
Dr Rogue
Sep 11, 2021 12:24 AM
Reply to  Maiasta

Do you remember the URL address for “Questions Questions”? It may still be available on archive.org

Maiasta
Maiasta
Sep 11, 2021 12:43 AM
Reply to  Dr Rogue

It was questionsquestions.net (an address currently occupied by some generic how-to website). But your hunch was correct. Here is some of their stuff, archived:

https://web.archive.org/web/20060613072211/http://questionsquestions.net/topics/left_gatekeepers.html

Lost in a dark wood
Lost in a dark wood
Sep 10, 2021 7:55 PM

Better late than never!

NY Teachers Unite
The Highwire with Del Bigtree
Sep 10, 2021
Thousands of NY teachers are organizing and taking to the streets against their union’s Covid19 vaccine mandates. Del talks to the founder of “Teachers For Choice,” Michael Kane, about the success of their last rally, and the plans for their upcoming “walk out” on Sept 13th.
https://www.bitchute.com/video/D1wNer5HVrJe

https://childrenshealthdefense.org/news/autism-the-most-glaring-aspect-of-the-deterioration-of-health-among-our-kids
Aug 21, 2020
Autism — The Most Glaring Aspect of the Deterioration of Health Among Our Kids?
By Anne Dachel
We’ve watched the numbers explode with no end in sight. Over the last 20 years the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention have routinely updated the autism rate:

2001: one in 250
2004: one in 166
2007: one in 150
2009: one in 110
2012: one in 88
2014: one in 68
2018: one in 59
2020: one in 54

Lost in a dark wood
Lost in a dark wood
Sep 11, 2021 12:12 AM

Meanwhile in L.A.

https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/571614-los-angeles-school-board-mandates-covid-vaccines-for-all-eligible-students
LA school board mandates COVID-19 vaccines for all eligible students
09/09/21
Los Angeles Unified School District announced Thursday that it would require all eligible students to be fully vaccinated against COVID-19 by early next year. . . . Under the policy, students 12 years and older will be to be full vaccinated against the disease by Jan. 10. The district noted that the policy would not apply to those with qualified exemptions. . . . The school district noted that the Los Angeles Unified’s Daily Pass system would need to have an uploaded copy of a student’s proof of vaccination.

Child Jab Injuries – First Numbers Reported, Serious DANGER!
Stew Peters Show
Sep 10, 2021
Dr. Jane Ruby joined the Stew Peters Show to report on the first look we are getting at numbers of children experiencing adverse events as a result of the dangerous inoculation being called a “COVID Vaccine”.
https://rumble.com/vmbw1z-child-jab-injuries-first-numbers-reported-serious-danger.html

Koba
Koba
Sep 11, 2021 11:34 AM

I wish you’d all stop caring about sheep being given a dodgy vaccine. Let them go. It’s literally not a loss except to those close to them and even they will not truly care

Lost in a dark wood
Lost in a dark wood
Sep 11, 2021 12:07 PM
Reply to  Koba

In the above, my primary focus is on stopping severe child abuse – i.e. that of injecting children with potentially lethal toxins. The secondary focus is on the natural right to bodily sovereignty. With regard to supposedly “compos mentis” adults, I am far less concerned.

highlander
highlander
Sep 11, 2021 3:03 PM

Agreed! Had these complicit fools not clamored for the shot, we would be in a different place today. They are ultimately responsible for the maiming and murdering of children! I, for one, will never forget…or forgive.

Rhys Jaggar
Rhys Jaggar
Sep 11, 2021 8:26 AM

Have the number of vaccines that children are required to receive gone up between 2001 and 2020?

Just wondering if the hypothesis concerning cumulative loading of particular adjuvant chemicals has any justification (on the basis that accumulation within the brain will be more or less efficient in different children, so that the doses required to reach triggering concentrations in the brain may be different for different children).

Lost in a dark wood
Lost in a dark wood
Sep 11, 2021 12:55 PM
Reply to  Rhys Jaggar

I presume somebody somewhere has attempted to correlate the rates with the ever expanding schedule:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaccination_schedule

The main jump in autism rates occurred following the introduction of MMR in the late 1980s. Hence the need to introduce “autism” to the general public via propaganda such as Rain Man (1988). From the industry’s perspective, the problem with MMR is that it is given when the child is typically around a year old; with the consequence being that the regression into autism is too obvious. Hence the need to load vaccines into the first few months. The most likely cause of autism is aluminium adjuvants.

Note the conversation:

Nurse: “He’s artistic!?
Tom Cruise: “No, he’s AU-tistic.”
Nurse: “I’m not familiar with that.”
etc

Tike
Tike
Sep 10, 2021 7:46 PM

The left, in this case, will betray the best of its tradition and abandon both the targets of imperial oppression and their spokespeople.

But “the left” you speak of is completely fake. It’s not a failure of imagination on their part — it’s an intentional silence, and dare I suggest that the likes of Mother Jones et al are PAID gatekeepers. Democracy Now! is/was funded by the Ford Foundation….

https://educate-yourself.org/cn/fordfoundationciaandgatekeepers11oct05.shtml

NixonScraypes
NixonScraypes
Sep 10, 2021 11:59 PM
Reply to  Tike

It’s the great tradition, the Communist revolution in Russia was funded by the international capitalists.

New Nane
New Nane
Sep 11, 2021 4:23 AM
Reply to  NixonScraypes

England 1688, America 1776, France 1789, China 1949.

Koba
Koba
Sep 11, 2021 11:35 AM
Reply to  NixonScraypes

Yep and Lenin ripped them off and their little agent Trotsky was exiled, deported then thankfully killed.

fxgrube
fxgrube
Sep 10, 2021 7:43 PM

Not so surprising that the left, especially the male left (which dominates the leadership & voices) should defer to and placate their counterpart in the male ruling class. After all, it was the left women, those who split off to form radical feminism, who experienced this left deference to male power most concretely in the form of demeaning treatment, sexual use/abuse, and general refusal to recognize any women’s issues apart from abortion (but only to boost the sexual rev. that the left promoted & underwrote).   

Koba
Koba
Sep 11, 2021 11:36 AM
Reply to  fxgrube

Yawn

George Mc
George Mc
Sep 10, 2021 7:40 PM

The Western political and media system has been in a state of seemingly unstoppable degeneration which has now reached the point of chronic schizophrenia. The most glaringly obvious lies and jaw dropping absurdities are ferociously peddled out with any squeak of doubt silenced with an instant resort to the most frothing invective. The irrepressible explosion of the noise, “anti-Semitism”, signals the most desperate resort to the one meme considered infallible I.e. the now super-hackneyed image of Hitler and the Nazis.

What all this amounts to is the pathological inability of the Western media conditioned mind to face a true reflection of the West as it now stands.

The aforementioned reliance on the Hitler meme is of fundamental importance here especially with regard to the Left.

Here’s how it works:

Every empire needs self justification. It needs to be accepted as “The Great Good”. But just insisting on its own goodness won’t do (though God knows, the Americans never shut up about that!). No, it is far more effective to be presented with a “Great Evil” to serve as a background against which to shine. Which of course is where Hitler and the Nazis come in.

This is not an attempt to “rehabilitate” the Nazis but only to note their indispensable role in bolstering that image of the West as the “Great Good”.

And there have been investigations that suggest this wonderful West had more than a little involvement in the creation of this “Great Evil” as indeed they have had a hand in the creation of every “Great Evil” since.

But the Nazi image is of particular relevance to the Left. If the Right can be relied on to dish out the straight “Great Good” angle, the Left can at least be relied on to indirectly support this “Great Good“ by constantly highlighting the “Great Evil” as something far worse.

And if some on this Left have the nerve to suggest that the Good America might BE the Great Evil, they will easily be sidelined. After all, Americans don’t have little moustaches and scream in German and every Good Westerner knows that’s what Evil looks like.

But the least reflection on this should highlight the absurdity of fixating on a culture from almost a century ago as an image of “Evil”.

But that is what the Left do. The constant emphasis on Fascism completely blocks out far more subtle and insidious forms of evil – in particular the evil that manifests as hidden planning and fraud.

And it is this diverting of attention from the very plausible idea of “conspiracy” that is the Left’s very much intended role. And while they are directing everyone to look out for newly emerging swastikas they are giving the ruling class a free pass by tirelessly covering up real attacks on the population by labelling all such as signs of “incompetence” and so disguising actual malevolence.

Tony_0pmoc
Tony_0pmoc
Sep 10, 2021 7:39 PM

I think its important, that if you really want to change someone’s point of view, to the way that you are thinking, whether you know them really well, or don’t know them at all, but you want to continue talking to them, is not to diss them, seriously criticise them, or in most circumstances even argue with them. How do you change anyone’s point of view by argument? They have already made up their minds. You think anything you say is going to change them. All that is going to do is put them on the defensive. They will not only defend their position, but may well agressively attack you with their point of view.

There are of course certain situations, where you have to modify your behaviour…And

SCREAM AT THEM – DON’T DO THAT.

But it rarely results in much success, except in extreme rare Emergencies, when if they do it, they are likely to kill us all.

A bit like now. The last place I thought I would read this yesterday (only the headlines – I don’t pay for it) The full article and Research are available by a Google search, thoogh its probably been buried now. (a day old)

“Don’t get Jabbed”

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/09/09/teenage-boys-risk-vaccines-covid/

“Teenage boys more at risk from vaccines than CovidYoung males are six times more likely to suffer from heart problems after being jabbed than be hospitalised from coronavirus, study finds”

Tony

Azy
Azy
Sep 10, 2021 10:36 PM
Reply to  Tony_0pmoc

Hmm, so more MSM following people may get the message hopefully.
Also, by making this article some MSM defenders may argue that there is fairness in the media when there absolutely is not and usually the media will post something when most people likely know about already or about to find out. Not sure if this is a ploy or who knows maybe a genuine person posting in telegraph.

However, to me, 9/11, 7/7, the destruction and breakdown of most countries on earth into separate broken parts in last few hundred years fully supported by the media does not get drowned by one unbiased article.

Tricky times but the psychotic entity which is a liar will always remain a liar no matter how unbiased they try to make out to be.

tony_0pmoc
tony_0pmoc
Sep 10, 2021 11:33 PM
Reply to  Azy

Yeh, I agree with you. Whilst I used to work in IT 20 years ago, and used to post on Facebook occasionally 2 years ago, I am an old man now, and I don’t know how the latest modifications to technology work.

I thought I was sending a private message to one person, and my wife comes storming in to my mancave and says – Do you realise, Everyone can Read That.

Bright Girl

Tony

MaryLS
MaryLS
Sep 11, 2021 4:26 AM
Reply to  Tony_0pmoc

This should be a major red flag for those who are ok with pushing everyone to get vaccinated. The vaccine mandates from governments are reckless and destructive. They are not about protecting health.

NickM
NickM
Sep 11, 2021 7:45 AM
Reply to  MaryLS

First rule in medicine: “Do no harm”

First step to doing no harm: don’t push mass injections with insufficiently tested substances.

Edwige
Edwige
Sep 10, 2021 7:31 PM

Flight 77 supposedly went into the Pentagram.

Notice anything curious about the George HW Bush aircraft carrier?…
https://www.naval-technology.com/projects/george-h-w-bush/

Nexs
Nexs
Sep 10, 2021 7:07 PM

How is it that a president as beloved as JFK is assassinated and a president as loathed as Bush completes 2 terms in office without issue. That’s not a lone gunman, that’s deep state. The murder of JFK, RFK, and MLK can be compared to the twin towers and Building 7. Coincidence and bad luck I suppose 😐
Another thing that always gets me is when the American news presents “rebels” against a foreign leader they don’t like. Rebels brings to mind a ragtag bunch from a community with old weapons and a rusty old jeep. Yet we see these “rebels” with the latest weaponry and if you think it’s supplied by Russia, then you haven’t been paying attention.

Waldorf
Waldorf
Sep 11, 2021 10:47 AM
Reply to  Nexs

Also they are not presented as terrorists, even if their methodology is terrorist if that word has any meaning at all. For example when the anti-Assad forces captured part of Aleppo, one of the first things they did was hurl post office employees from the roof of the post office, apparently because postal workers are state employees. When they bombed Aleppo University, killing many students and faculty, there were attempts to present this as a false flag by Assad’s forces, but in reality it was an Islamist expression of hatred for a secular institution set up by the Baathist government.

Lost in a dark wood
Lost in a dark wood
Sep 10, 2021 7:00 PM

“Contact tracing in the New World Order.”
 – Dr Kerry Chant; NSW Chief Health Officer

Hugo Talks
New World Order
Sep 9, 2021
https://hugotalks.com/2021/09/09/new-world-order-hugo-talks-lockdown

Zardoz
Zardoz
Sep 10, 2021 11:47 PM

Imagine being married to her.

Big al
Big al
Sep 10, 2021 6:31 PM

Hell, by 2121, maybe 95% will believe it was a conspiracy. Or, maybe it’s 95% won’t be alive to care. Or something like that. Either way, who really killed Caesar? We’ll just go on with it forever.

The left is one thing but much of the right can’t seem to get off the Trumpcine, the self-proclaimed “father of the Covid-19 vaccine”. I saw Alex Jones take off on something Stew Peters presented on his show in that Trump is playing that 12th dimensional chess thing again and maybe, just maybe, he’s got a trick up his sleeve to stop the scam. So there’s plenty on the right who are going to be led by the nose right into this trap. It’s another example of how Trump could literally say and do anything and his base would not move an inch. They might boo a little when he says, “hey, the vaccine is good!”, but in the end they’ll do what they’re told by their feckless leader. And he’s in on it like flies on shit.

If we take away the right and the left, what does that leave?

That said, if Trump and the republicans take a stand against mandatory vaccines, masks, lockdowns, and vaccine passports, things could get very interesting. So far, I don’t think they will.

George Mc
George Mc
Sep 10, 2021 6:11 PM

It just gets better. The BBC have just shown a covid type graph but this time detailing “terrorist threat levels”. Jesus! Chris Morris’s Brass Eye is now everywhere!

George Mc
George Mc
Sep 10, 2021 6:09 PM

So the big squeeze is now well and truly on. Just visiting the old home town and I had heard about supermarket shelves emptying but I wasn’t expecting whole areas of shelves to disappear and be replaced with pallets sporting items for clearance. Not for the first time I had visions of various post apocalyptic movies.

But in a bookshop I saw this hardback called “Vaxxers” with a subtitle like, “The tale of Astra Zeneca and the Fight Against Covid”. And I wondered – again not for the first time – how much money, time, labour and materials were getting flushed down the drain for this covid crap.

And that led on to speculation about how much has always been spent on sheer propaganda. Because, make no mistake, from the ruling point of view, we the general population are only here to make money for them. And that is why no amount of resources is ever too much to use on mind management. As for luxuries like food, water, health, culture – forget it!

And the news fresh in that covid cases in Scotland are at their highest level ever and the NHS is st its lowest sustainable level ever and it’s just going to get worse etc. All of this 18 months after the original bullshit and therefore 18 months weaker. It is clear – as indeed it was from the beginning that this will go on and on. The newsreaders should just stop all specific content (which is becoming too insulting anyway) and just say, “Ooh scary scary scary boo boo!”

David G. Horsman
David G. Horsman
Sep 10, 2021 5:38 PM

Breaking.
This is not an exhaustive list.

Bush Convicted of War Crimes in Absentia – Along with Cheney, Rumsfeld, and Others

In what is the first ever conviction of its kind anywhere in the world, the former US President and seven key members of his administration were yesterday (Fri) found guilty of war crimes.

Bush, Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld and their legal advisers Alberto Gonzales, David Addington, William Haynes, Jay Bybee and John Yoo were tried in absentia in Malaysia.

The trial held in Kuala Lumpur heard harrowing witness accounts from victims of torture who suffered at the hands of US soldiers and contractors in Iraq and Afghanistan.

. . .

At the end of the week-long hearing, the five-panel tribunal unanimously delivered guilty verdicts against Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld and their key legal advisors who were all convicted as war criminals for torture and cruel, inhumane and degrading treatment.

Full transcripts of the charges, witness statements and other relevant material will now be sent to the Chief Prosecutor of the International Criminal Court, as well as the United Nations and the Security Council.

The Kuala Lumpur War Crimes Commission is also asking that the names of Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Gonzales, Yoo, Bybee, Addington and Haynes be entered and included in the Commission’s Register of War Criminals for public record.

The tribunal is the initiative of Malaysia’s retired Prime Minister Mahathir Mohamad, who staunchly opposed the American-led invasion of Iraq in 2003.

He sat through the entire hearing …

Boyle then referenced the Nuremberg Charter which was used as the format for the tribunal when asked about the credibility of the initiative in Malaysia. He quoted: “Leaders, organizers, instigators and accomplices participating in the formulation or execution of a common plan or conspiracy to commit war crimes are responsible for all acts performed by any person in execution of such a plan.”

The US is subject to customary international law and to the Principles of the Nuremberg Charter said Boyle who also believes the week-long trial was “almost certainly” being monitored closely by both Pentagon and White House officials.

Professor Gurdial Singh Nijar, who headed the prosecution said: “The tribunal was very careful to adhere scrupulously to the regulations drawn up by the Nuremberg courts and the International Criminal Courts”.
https://www.foreignpolicyjournal.com/2012/05/12/bush-convicted-of-war-crimes-in-absentia/
What year is it?

Tony_0pmoc
Tony_0pmoc
Sep 10, 2021 6:32 PM

I reckon that was about 8 years ago. No one noticed. It had no effect on anything, though maybe a few planes crashed and people ended up dead in Malaysia, and The Ukraine, but to agree with “somebody” and Petra (flaxgirl) to some extent, they make this shit up as they go along.

These people are completely evil, and they are going for The Big Kill now.

Just keep cuddling your family and friends and don’t get jabbed.

NickM
NickM
Sep 10, 2021 6:44 PM

Great news. And great courage by Malasia to confront the crimes of the Bush regime despite having 2 of their civilian airliners downed, with great loss of life, by the global Anglo Zionazi Capitalist terrorist network.

David G. Horsman
David G. Horsman
Sep 10, 2021 9:02 PM
Reply to  NickM

I think we are at a point in time where this should be getting pushed. We could crowd fund the lawyers.

Thom 9
Thom 9
Sep 10, 2021 4:56 PM

Noam “The Left Gate Keeper” Chomsky acceptance of the “official story” regarding both the Kennedy’s assassination and 9/11 is truly remarkable on the surface however upon deeper examination it seems that Chomsky was and remains a cog in the controlled opposition wheel, a lefty Zionist through and through…

Jim McDonagh
Jim McDonagh
Sep 10, 2021 5:43 PM
Reply to  Thom 9

Chomsky as a zionist is a step to for me.. I identified him as a status quo gatekeeper in the 1970s . His redefining of Gandhi’s militant pacifism expressed as the non violent protest , helped kill the emerging revolution in America during the 1960s-70s

Tony_0pmoc
Tony_0pmoc
Sep 10, 2021 6:34 PM
Reply to  Jim McDonagh

I thought Status Quo were only “OK” on Record, but they are completely Brilliant Live – what’s left of them.

wardropper
wardropper
Sep 10, 2021 9:36 PM
Reply to  Tony_0pmoc

‘Struth…

Tony_0pmoc
Tony_0pmoc
Sep 10, 2021 6:15 PM
Reply to  Thom 9

I sussed Chomsky out as soon as someone asked him a question about 9/11. It’s not hard to work out. He has spent his life working for and getting paid by the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, a Major University, directly funded by The Military Industrial Complex, and The Pentagon.

Chomsky is quite open and honest about this. It is not Chomsky – The Guru of “The Left” all his life who annoys me. I can understand his point of view and position, and he is undoubtedly a very clever man…

The people who really annoy me, are the people of “The Left” who undoubtedly have very real integrity, such that I actually buy their books and read them, or send them money to their blogs…

You know the people I am talking about. Only John Pilger, nearly let his true thought about 9/11 slip out in answer to a question.

Craig Murray, whilst he for quite awhile allowed debate on the subject on his blog, (and he ain’t thick and he should not be in jail), never had the courage to answer the question honestly, as did hardly any of any leading figures of any Political Persuasion, or any Media Personality, with very few exceptions…The few that did either lost their jobs, became unemployable, or sometime later ended up dead, before their time.

The vast majority of these people know the truth. They are not suffering from cognitive dissonance. They are just scared shitless.

With COVID, they are probably even more scared shitless, and its because of their betrayal, for not having the courage to tell the truth, the World is in The State it is.

If they had ballsed up and had the courage, all these evil bastards would be in jail nearly 20 years ago, and we wouldn’t be in the mess we are in now.

I am not a media personality or famous for anything, but I told the truth as best I could, to everyone I knew personally and also on the internet. Not that it made any difference, but at least I tried.

Yes, it changed my life, but largely for the better. I can’t live with lies, and I wanted to get out of the rat race, and did.

Still Here.

Tony

MBJ
MBJ
Sep 10, 2021 4:33 PM

After reading the above, it is evident that ‘the Left’ need to open their minds, man. One of their icons, John Lennon, asked us to imagine. Perhaps the Left were a little more imaginative in the late 60s, though responses to the JFK assassination suggest there was a dearth of the ability to do so in the first half of the decade.

Lefties (and with some reservations I include myself in that category), you need to imagine. But this is not the wishful Lennon imagination of the world living as one. No, it is the opposite. Imagine there actually is war and that it is being waged on and in your head every day of the fucking week.

wardropper
wardropper
Sep 10, 2021 4:55 PM
Reply to  MBJ

Apart from his marvellous musicianship, Lennon was basically a hippie.

That is not the same as ‘left’, as is well documented by the large numbers of ex-hippies now wearing suits and ties, occupying influentsial positions of political power and even consorting with fascists.

Lennon didn’t do that, thank heaven, but you still have to go further back than his generation to make contact with anything ‘left’.

A popular American cop-out is just to call anybody who disagrees with you a ‘socialist’, and think that you have thereby destroyed their ‘leftist’ credibility.

Nothing could be farther from the truth.
Those labels have simply been usurped by the media.

Jim McDonagh
Jim McDonagh
Sep 10, 2021 5:49 PM
Reply to  wardropper

Yoko Ono was the business person in that pairing , Lennon although a great musician , was a dilettante and fool as are most poets . He did enjoy playing the hippie on tv as i recall..

MBJ
MBJ
Sep 10, 2021 7:38 PM
Reply to  wardropper

Lennon was beloved by those who defined themselves as Left. That is all.

wardropper
wardropper
Sep 10, 2021 9:41 PM
Reply to  MBJ

That is not all.
Back in those days, many ‘moderates’ – and even ‘conservatives’ – loved him too.

MBJ
MBJ
Sep 11, 2021 6:29 PM
Reply to  wardropper

Who would have thought JL would evoke such a response. I was not saying he was only loved by people who defined themselves as Left wing. I was not endorsing him or his ideas or actions. You have misunderstood my original post and focused on something tangential. Perhaps there was a little too much irony there for some. I understand. Peace and Love.

Arby
Arby
Sep 11, 2021 6:26 AM
Reply to  MBJ

I’m real Left, but my definition of Left is unorthodox. I did not ‘love’ Lennon. Then again, I’ve always been a reader. “John Lennon’s Willingness To Be Violent.”

MBJ
MBJ
Sep 11, 2021 6:33 PM
Reply to  Arby

By Lennon being ‘left’ I included the fakes and shallow ones who take the left as a badge of being a good person into peace and so on. And yes, most of us who know a bit about the bespectacled one are aware he could be violent and a nasty fucker.

Arby
Arby
Sep 11, 2021 6:46 PM
Reply to  MBJ

Acknowledged.

mgeo
mgeo
Sep 11, 2021 4:37 PM
Reply to  wardropper

“Socialist” as an epithet is also religious conditioning.

Jim McDonagh
Jim McDonagh
Sep 10, 2021 5:47 PM
Reply to  MBJ

In the end Lennon became a drug addled house husband famous for being assassinated by a manic , who was recently released from prison.

juno
juno
Sep 10, 2021 8:02 PM
Reply to  Jim McDonagh

Who just happened to love Catcher in the Rye and be involved with World Vision Missionary Ministries, just like the next major ‘lone crazy gunman’. Pull the other one, it hath bells on.

tps://postflaviana.org/community/index.php?threads/mk-ultra-world-vision-hinckley-chapman.1867/

Dr Rogue
Dr Rogue
Sep 11, 2021 12:41 AM
Reply to  juno

Have all my upvotes….

Dr Rogue
Dr Rogue
Sep 11, 2021 12:59 AM
Reply to  Dr Rogue

Damn. The postflaviana site is very interesting but the forum admin is a covidian!!!

juno
juno
Sep 11, 2021 3:13 AM
Reply to  Dr Rogue

I had no idea, I just pulled it out of some old bookmarks. Thanks for the upvotes.:-D

Patrick L.
Patrick L.
Sep 10, 2021 11:44 PM
Reply to  Jim McDonagh
  1. John Lennon was not “drug-addled” least of all when he was murdered.
  2. He was not “a house-husband”; he had the guts and the heart to care for his wife and young son, and the nous to want to avoid the mass media (having been vilified and/or destructively worshipped for a decade)
  3. He had just started playing and recording music again.
  4. He was not “famous for being assassinated by a manic” (sic); he was famous for being a) a remarkable musician, and b) someone with the courage to speak his mind.

Anyone with the slightest interest in Lennon can easily verify all this.

Who the hell employs you, “Jim McDonagh”, to throw shite at people much braver and more honest than you are? Or do you do it freelance?

Dr Rogue
Dr Rogue
Sep 11, 2021 12:33 AM
Reply to  Jim McDonagh

assassinated by a manic , who was recently released from prison.

He is coming for you now.

MBJ
MBJ
Sep 11, 2021 6:38 PM
Reply to  Dr Rogue

I not be surprised if he had been assassinated by a Manc!

Edwige
Edwige
Sep 10, 2021 4:17 PM

There’s not been a covid article recently so I’m posting this here…

They’ve been back from their hols for a bit and things are starting to become clearer:

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/16096728/pm-covid-passports-winter-lockdown/

In essence it’s “we won’t lock you down again” in return for 1) Vaccination passports for “large venues” 2) Another renewal of the Coronavirus Act 3) Vaccination of your children without even any pretending it has something to do with physical health 4) Massive increase in vaccination for flu 5) Probably some other shit I’m missing or they’ll throw in as and when it suits them.

That’s the dialectic, one terrible “choice” or another terrible “choice”. It’s the new social contract they love talking about.

BTW last week the Fraud floated the idea of a “circuitbreaker” lockdown in late October (i.e. school half term). It was denied but of course never completely categorically. Two things that encourage me to think the denial might be believable are 1) COP26 is in early November and I suspect they will want an undivided focus on that 2) Ferguson was allowed on MSM saying there’ll be no more lockdowns.

MBJ
MBJ
Sep 10, 2021 4:39 PM
Reply to  Edwige

A perceptive post, Edwige. The foot is being applied to the pedal once more after only a short reprise, if we can call it that.

I do think, however, that a circuit breaker is likely. A school teacher told me that they have been told to ‘expect’ one.

A promise about no more lockdowns is about as reliable as any official statement or opinion in this madness. I recall the French President promising no more, then locking down on at least one occasion. Boris too.

Lost in a dark wood
Lost in a dark wood
Sep 10, 2021 4:11 PM

There are frauds on all the supposed sides. They are frauds in that they support some hidden agenda which is working in opposition to their apparent position. The difference between the so-called Left and Right is that there is an increasingly organised Right which seems to have woken up to this reality. For example, this is Stew Peters calling out Trey Gowdy.

Stew Peters Show
Sep 7, 2021
Naming Names – Who’s Destroying America, and How We’ve Allowed It
https://rumble.com/vm7f13-naming-names-whos-destroying-america-and-how-weve-allowed-it.html

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trey_Gowdy
Harold Watson “Trey” Gowdy III (born August 22, 1964) is an American television news personality, former politician, and former federal prosecutor who served as the U.S. Representative for South Carolina’s 4th congressional district from 2011 to 2019.

Big al
Big al
Sep 10, 2021 6:34 PM

You mean, Stew “I’ll follow the Father of the Covid-19 Vaccine anywhere” Peters? The one who believes Trump is playing 12th dimensional chess when he tells people to get the jab?

General Flynn LIVE! Trump “Vaccine” Language, Audit, Afghanistan, WINNING! (rumble.com)

Lost in a dark wood
Lost in a dark wood
Sep 10, 2021 9:25 PM
Reply to  Big al

Thanks for posting the link. It’s an important interview:
General Flynn LIVE! Trump “Vaccine” Language, Audit, Afghanistan, WINNING!
Stew Peters Show – Sep 9, 2021

I presume your alleged “quote” isn’t anything Peters has actually said. It doesn’t sound like something he’d say. Nor (as far as I know) does he advocate the idea of Trump playing dimensional chess; though he may have interviewed some people who do. Instead, he opens the interview by talking about 2024; and, as intimated by Flynn, this suggests something of a blind spot.

Flynn (10:35): “There’s nobody home in the Whitehouse right now.”

Peters agreeing with Flynn (24:45): “We [the people] are the plan.”

BTW: the graphene oxide, mRNA shots were created several years ago.

Big al
Big al
Sep 10, 2021 9:40 PM

Ya, Peters had someone on the other day and they discussed Trump seemingly advocating for the fake vaccine by just playing it off as Trump playing with the deep state or something. Jones is doing the same thing on Infowars. Alot of the Trump supporters who seem to understand the covid-19 scam are stuck in a relationship with the fake Trump they can’t seem to shake. I like Peters overall but faith in Trump, and thus the partisan political circus, turns me off.

Lost in a dark wood
Lost in a dark wood
Sep 11, 2021 1:19 AM
Reply to  Big al

It’s not “partisan politics”. Rather, it’s “existential war”. Trump explained this back in October 2016 a few weeks before the election; and he’s been consistent all the way through. Anybody who fails to recognise the “existential war” reality, will also fail to see the consistency.

Trump: Our campaign is “existential threat” to establishment
Oct 13, 2016
Fox News
Republican presidential nominee campaigns in West Palm Beach, Florida

Big al
Big al
Sep 11, 2021 3:45 AM

Trump is a narcissistic liar who only plays a part. He has no interest in helping anyone other than himself and, maybe, his family. He proved that during his four worthless years. Look at him now proclaiming himself king of the vaccines and going right along the imperial playbook for Afghanistan. The man is a fraud. And he’s a republican in the republican party. Tell me, how can anyone still support Trump when he said he’s the king of the vaccine and saved millions of lives because of it? He is clearly advocating the partisan line on this scam. I don’t understand it.

Lost in a dark wood
Lost in a dark wood
Sep 11, 2021 11:48 AM
Reply to  Big al

You’ve gone straight back to making shit up. It seems to be pathological.

Big al
Big al
Sep 11, 2021 1:14 PM

Typical, avoid the fucking question. Just what Peters and his guest did. What exactly did I make up?

Lost in a dark wood
Lost in a dark wood
Sep 11, 2021 4:51 PM
Reply to  Big al

Please (re-)state the question you want me to address; and preferably without the hyperbole. But note, I’m likely to challenge the premise.

Big al
Big al
Sep 11, 2021 7:36 PM

Questions are things that end like this – ?

I’m not giving you any more help than that. For me, it was about Trump, I don’t like him, you do. Whatever, man.

Lost in a dark wood
Lost in a dark wood
Sep 11, 2021 8:25 PM
Reply to  Big al

Yeah, whatever!

Koba
Koba
Sep 11, 2021 11:46 AM

He was such a Threat he Did practically everything they asked of him. And they allowed to get in. If he were a true threat he wouldn’t have been on Tele AT ALL!

Lost in a dark wood
Lost in a dark wood
Sep 11, 2021 12:31 PM
Reply to  Koba

I am not suggesting that because Castro imagined a particular scenario — ultra-right forces killing John Kennedy — it must have been true. That is not the point. The point is that only when our imagination embraces a hypothesis as possible will we seriously study that hypothesis and put it to the test.

– Graeme MacQueen

Arby
Arby
Sep 11, 2021 6:31 AM
Reply to  Big al

I find Stew Peters to be scary. Scary people can get things right, and have good interviews with important (from the people’s standpoint) figures, but it doesn’t mean that their scariness isn’t real and isn’t based on facts. I am not an expert on Stew but I watched an interview that he did with David Martin, which I thought was good, and then had a bit of a look at him (because I’m always on the lookout for good sources of info) and was just not impressed at all.

Big al
Big al
Sep 11, 2021 1:15 PM
Reply to  Arby

Don’t disagree.

MICHELE K. FIRTH
MICHELE K. FIRTH
Sep 10, 2021 4:08 PM


Loose Change

New Nane
New Nane
Sep 11, 2021 4:53 AM

Limited hangout.

MICHELE K. FIRTH
MICHELE K. FIRTH
Sep 10, 2021 4:03 PM

The compelling Loose Change documentary was the reason I started looking into all this. But, like so many important narratives that we’re fed, most people just aren’t interested. The Left is just as corporation-led and imperialistic as the Right, or even more so, and for this reason the Left and its pundits act more like gatekeepers than anything else. Left-wing voters get taken in and lack imagination, but their leaders very much don’t want to know the truth.

Cliff Edwards
Cliff Edwards
Sep 12, 2021 5:40 AM

“compelling”? I strongly suggest you read this:

https://911research.wtc7.net/reviews/loose_change/index.html

Jim McDonagh
Jim McDonagh
Sep 10, 2021 3:44 PM

Stitching the 9/11 attack by the Saudis onto the coup de grace of the JFK assassination has created a cartoonish Frankenstein monster or big brother of sorts which may be the point of overwrought articles such as this ? That the killings of various political figures during the 1960s moved the goalposts of American politics is true , that Vietnam/the draft and 9/11 redefined the game is also true . However that the pancaking of the bankster towers by a controlled demolition was done by the incompetent Bush2 regime is simply nonsense .

Sophie - Admin1
Admin
Sophie - Admin1
Sep 10, 2021 4:02 PM
Reply to  Jim McDonagh

Your attempt at establishing a little limited hangout here re. 9/11 is transparent and pointless and just undermines your perceived credibility in other issues. On this you are clearly following a script. It’s not natural or organic. You might as well give up.

Are single issue shills used a lot?

Jim McDonagh
Jim McDonagh
Sep 10, 2021 5:59 PM

What is a limited hang-out ? My fondness for the failed philosophy of libertarianism makes it impossible for me to follow a script. I do appreciate your allowing me to hang out on your site , However I expected to be censored ages ago for attacking what appears to be the founding myth of this site , that 9/11 American version as a cataclysmic inside job.

Ernest Judd
Ernest Judd
Sep 10, 2021 8:38 PM
Reply to  Jim McDonagh

Limited hangouts invariably lead to “Dead Men walking”.

The Mossad AND the CIA=Deep State did 9/11.
Anything less than that is gas lighting.

Ernest Judd
Ernest Judd
Sep 10, 2021 8:42 PM
Reply to  Ernest Judd

Also compare the Beirut-shima blast with the carnage of 9/11.

This is evidence of incompetency!

Patrick L.
Patrick L.
Sep 10, 2021 10:35 PM
Reply to  Jim McDonagh

I do appreciate your allowing me to hang out on your site.”

Well, you would, wouldn’t you?

Maiasta
Maiasta
Sep 10, 2021 11:47 PM
Reply to  Jim McDonagh

What is a limited hang-out ?

Assuming you don’t actually know, the term refers to a narrative containing a small amount of truth that serves to disguise and withold a much bigger truth.

So, while the “Saudis-did-it” narrative can accurately depict Saudi complicity, it simultaneously provides the US establishment with a back-up narrative to be fed to people who sense that they’ve been lied to but cannot contemplate their own government orchestrating something like this. In effect, the Saudis play the same role in 9/11 as the mob played in the JFK assassination.

So, again, giving you the benefit of the doubt & assuming that you’re not just a bullshitter, ask yourself this:

Were the Saudis the beneficiaries of the massive insider trading that netted billions that day? (it would be child’s play to prove it if they were)

Did the Saudis have access to three buildings that collapsed essentially at free-fall speed in the weeks before the attacks?

Did the Saudis run the security firms that would have allowed such access?

Could the Saudis have organised the Pentagon’s massive and unprecedented war games that day that contributed to the paralysis of the air force response?

Were the Saudis already planning the invasion of Afghanistan for mid-October 2001 in the summer of 2001? Or was it the US, as reported by the Indian and Pakistani press in the summer of 2001?

Did the Saudis benefit from the mass murder of the accountants at the Pentagon who were investigating the institution’s “misplacing” of $2.3 trillion (& announced the day before the attacks by Rumsfeld) ?

Was it the Saudis who had the WTC rubble collected up and immediately shipped off to China to avoid forensic analysis?

Did the Saudis order the 9/11 Commission report to ignore the collapse of Building 7?

Did the Saudis inform BBC reporter Jane Standley that the WTC had collapsed about 25 minutes before it actually did?

Was it the Saudis that sold off the WTC complex to Silverstein just weeks before the attacks and was it the Saudis who ttok out insurance (covering terrorism) making billions in profit from the attacks?

Well…

i don’t expect to get a real answer from you. Anyone who still cannot see what happened 20 years later, they can’t see it because they don’t want to.

Bob the Hod
Bob the Hod
Sep 10, 2021 5:11 PM
Reply to  Jim McDonagh

Ah, the old incompetence meme again, a tactic so beloved of those on the left who refuse to allow the discussion of ideas that are contrary to their own belief system.

Jim McDonagh
Jim McDonagh
Sep 10, 2021 6:01 PM
Reply to  Bob the Hod

I am one of the few offering a contrary view of 9/11 American version on this site . You appear to be embracing the victim “meme ” .

Sophie - Admin1
Admin
Sophie - Admin1
Sep 10, 2021 7:54 PM
Reply to  Jim McDonagh

No, you are a shill. It’s blatant. You have been given a specific objective which is to talk up the Saudi connection and to inject the specious and very old claim the towers were “shoddily built”.

No one real would behave this way. It’s not an organic opinion. It’s not how genuine believers in the official story comport themselves. They are almost always people who have never dug into it and offer vague dismissals based on mainstream headlines. They don’t focus repetitively on promoting one or two little pieces of proven disinfo.

Only shills do that.

You’re a paid shill – and not a good one.

Patrick L.
Patrick L.
Sep 10, 2021 10:38 PM
Reply to  Jim McDonagh

You’re a professional timewaster.

George Mc
George Mc
Sep 10, 2021 7:48 PM
Reply to  Bob the Hod

Sorry I took the words out of your mouth before I looked ahead!

James Robertson
James Robertson
Sep 10, 2021 6:27 PM
Reply to  Jim McDonagh

What is the evidence for your claim of the Saudis as the 911 perpetrators?
What motive did the Saudis have for the attacks?
What benefits did the Saudis achieve from the attacks?
Who achieved greater money and power from the attacks?
Whose enemies were destroyed in response to the attacks?
Whose narrative was strengthened by the attacks?

Kalen
Kalen
Sep 10, 2021 7:26 PM

I just want to point out that even if one could prove Saudis’ motive, benefit, profit, opportunity, political expediency and propaganda advantage it still does not prove that they as a state did it as those are circumstantial evidences shared by many “enemies” and “friends” of America. In court of law proving motive, benefit, opportunity others have get accused off the hook in preliminary hearing.

Disproving something is not logical complement of proving something. Binary logic in inapplicable in real life.

NickM
NickM
Sep 10, 2021 6:48 PM
Reply to  Jim McDonagh

“the 9/11 attack by the Saudis” ??!!

What rock have you been hiding under for the past 20 years?

George Mc
George Mc
Sep 10, 2021 7:47 PM
Reply to  Jim McDonagh

Ah the old “incompetence” rag again. Take it away! A one and a two and a three …

Judith
Judith
Sep 10, 2021 9:17 PM
Reply to  George Mc

Thanks for the laugh George. Good one

Waldorf
Waldorf
Sep 11, 2021 10:57 AM
Reply to  George Mc

The powers that be do not necessarily know everything though they try to give that impression. I know a Turkish Kurd couple in Britain who were arrested under the Terrorism Act 2000. He was released, she was charged (the trial was eventually quashed because of prosecution irregularities). The cops were not aware the two were married – unusually for a married woman from Turkey, she had not adopted her husband’s last name, and this simple failure to conform to the norm was enough to mislead the police.

Patrick L.
Patrick L.
Sep 10, 2021 10:33 PM
Reply to  Jim McDonagh

Yeah, the Saudis altered USAF’s longstanding S.O.P. on intercepting hijacked airliners one month before the attacks and then quietly changed those standard operating procedures back, just days later. (Mission Accomplished) No, wait a minute, that was Donald Rumsfeld.

Yeah, the Saudis shipped 99% of the steel from the WTC to China and melted it down. No, wait a minute, that was…(look it up, ffs).

Etc etc etc etc etc.

No, tails do not wag dogs.

Stitching the 9/11 attack by the Saudis onto the coup de grace of the JFK assassination has created a cartoonish Frankenstein monster or big brother of sorts which may be the point of overwrought articles such as this ?”

What?

2 + 2 = (Prove you are not a bot.)

Cliff Edwards
Cliff Edwards
Sep 12, 2021 5:23 AM
Reply to  Jim McDonagh

You forgot to mention that the Saudis did it as “revenge” for all the mayhem the USA had been inflicting on the Middle East.

“pancaking”? 🤣 😂 🤣

Arfur Mo
Arfur Mo
Sep 10, 2021 3:39 PM

In his biography, Castro noted that some time before the execution of Kennedy, the Cuban authorities received a request for a visa for Oswald to visit Cuba. The Cuban intelligence servies suspected some kind of set up and so refused him the visa. If the visa had been granted, probably discovered in pristine condition in the bookstore room, Cuba would have been dragged in to the murder justifying a full US invasion. That would suit the CIA and Cuban exiles as icing on the cake. This was probably just an opportunistic exploitation of the Big Event planned to preempt Kennedy’s ‘big crime’ – opening Israel’s nuke program to public scrutiny, cutting off the USD spigot.

Jim McDonagh
Jim McDonagh
Sep 10, 2021 6:05 PM
Reply to  Arfur Mo

Mr Castro was one of history’s rarities the benevolent despot. I suspect Cuba will now lose what influence and progressive tendency’s it once had . The yanks have arrived with gifts of money and sexually transmitted diseases.

Koba
Koba
Sep 11, 2021 11:50 AM
Reply to  Arfur Mo

You should see Caleb Maupins interview with Cuban exiles/criminals in Florida and New York. A truly scary bunch.

Ian
Ian
Sep 10, 2021 3:18 PM

What a waste of time reading this article.

Does the author G. Queen not realize that the whole of humanity is under attack and it is no longer a division of “left” and “right”.

Waltzing around the edge of reality while burying ones head analyzing the nuanced utterances of people like Chomsky, Castro or Ahmadinejad relative to previous strategic attacks on humanity, be it the Kennedy assassination or 9-11 is no less than an exercise in masturbation, while supra-national organizations like the UN-WHO, WEF and BIS, in collaboration with national governments and their leaders, trained, and strategically placed sociopaths, such as Boris Johnson, Angela Merkel, Justin Trudeau, Scott Morrison, Jacinda Ardern, etc., bow down and cow-tow to the ideals of global genocide, eugenics, trans-humanism, and slavery; a “new world order” of universal totalitarian fascist tyranny far beyond anything imagined by the “third Reich”.

Wake up Mr. Queen we are at war for the survival of humanity. We have been for years. Of course none of the PTB are interested in kicking up the ashes of previously hidden malfeasance be it 9-11 or studying the bones of both Kennedy assassinations. They were what they were and served their purposes at the time to progress the along term plan. They’ve moved on. We’re now in the final frontal attack.

Covid plandemic and global health paranoia created by coordinated social/psychological engineering and conditioning is bringing their project to its final goal to ensure what failed imperialism and an the endless war on terror could not, by using mandated compliance to irrational regulations that rob humanity of their most fundamental rights to life.

For Gaud’s sake stop looking to the left or the right while contemplating your navel. We, humanity, are facing a frontal attack and they are the enemy. They never had any interest in “representing” people, searching for truth, or applying justice, only power and their own relevance to the status quo.

Crocodile tears for the left at this critical juncture puts you only marginally beside the gate keepers like Chomsky. Get real.

Jacques
Jacques
Sep 10, 2021 3:51 PM
Reply to  Ian

“stop looking to the left or the right ”

That’s good. But even more important is to stop looking backward. Why are people forever trying to find answers for the future, I understand not.

The world is at an inflection point. The old is going away, the new is coming. Unlike in the recent past, the change that’s being pushed won’t be to the benefit of the people. It’s not planned to.

We have absolute shit as to means of opposing what is being foisted on us. We don’t even know who to oppose, really. And we certainly don’t have a better alternative. Only yapping about historical developments, figures.

The longer we yap, the more and more easily we’ll be fucked over.

And don’t tell me that you need to know the past to know the future. That’s a fallacy.

someone
someone
Sep 10, 2021 4:11 PM
Reply to  Jacques

As you say we don’t even know who.

However, as it appears from Modus operandi its the same entities (I am not even sure people as we understand the term is a true description) have been running similar playbooks for certainly the last 100 years or so (and perhaps substantially longer) do you think it might help if we could at least begin to trace this out somewhat?

They did not spring into existence last year so I can see it might be helpful to try and establish patterns that are informational irrespective as to whether the event itself tells us very much.

Jacques
Jacques
Sep 10, 2021 4:55 PM
Reply to  someone

Yes and no.

Insofar as discerning patterns helps us formulate a course of action, it’s good.

If it ends up being an argument about how this and that went down, what was the role of this or that guy, all of whom are long dead, or the conclusion that indeed, the world as most people perceive it is, and has been for ages, an illusion, it’s worth shit, waste of time and energy that would be better spent making plans for what’s likely in the pipeline. And what we’re facing already.

Freedom-loving people have to TAKE THE INITIATIVE, not just respond in more or less confused manner to the chess-like moves of the covidian motherfuckers.

We have to make our own reset plan and reset them, the great fucking resetters!

theobalt
theobalt
Sep 10, 2021 7:33 PM
Reply to  Jacques

I think we are over analyzing because any action is pointless… like a bunch of people in jail… yaping… we’re in jail. Some know it, some don’t

someone
someone
Sep 10, 2021 9:25 PM
Reply to  Jacques

A plan of action focussed on whom?

Jacques
Jacques
Sep 10, 2021 10:13 PM
Reply to  someone

Focused on replacing the corrupt societal order of today with something better, something for the future.

This parliamentary democracy/capitalism combo is a dead horse. Socialism is a dead horse. All 20th century -isms are dead. Fuck them. It’s time to look to the future and have a better viable alternative to covidianism that can be promoted.

But maybe it’s too early for that.

When I look around, most people haven’t even realized that we’re in the early stages of perhaps the most monumental change in history. It might be that they’ll have to be subjugated and that it will only be people a few generations down the road who will come up with an alternative to the shit life they’ll be living.

JustANumbersGuy
JustANumbersGuy
Sep 11, 2021 7:45 AM
Reply to  Jacques

Given you are dealing with powers that killed a serving president, planned and implemented operations to control the mind’s and behaviour of everyone on the planet (9/11, convid plandemic) just how are you going to replace THAT with something better?

Unbrainwash EVERYONE?
Destroy all guns and weapons?
Replace “money” with something “better”?

Koba
Koba
Sep 11, 2021 11:55 AM
Reply to  Jacques

Socialism is no dead horse

Ian
Ian
Sep 10, 2021 9:37 PM
Reply to  Jacques

Why are people forever trying to find answers for the future“??

Because their present, as it is presented, and as they are experiencing, only reinforces the fear and insecurity that they have been “made” to feel by conditioning and propaganda.

We have absolute shit as to means of opposing what is being foisted on us.

Untrue. People have died, put there life on the line, sacrificed wealth and reputation to fight for liberty and justice in far less significant totalitarian battles than this global one. And that “we don’t even know who to oppose” is also not true.

Covidians are not the enemy. They are mostly the poor frightened brainwashed indoctrinated, who cling to their delusion of social/economic power in hope to survive, having tied their fate to the dictates of tyrants, while the real enemy is a few thousand well organized psychopaths seeking power who have managed to line up their ducks after many years, even generations, of trying (and that’s why it is important to study their history going back to people like Rhodes and beyond).

The best summery to the “who” and “how” of our present situation was made by :
Ernst Wolff Concise Summary Of Corona Narrative
(It’s in German but subtitled in English).

Yes, we are prisoners, but we build the walls and hold the keys and it is up to us to define our own future, to obey or resist, and yes, real sacrifice is called for to defeat a tyranny of evil. Some of us are well beyond “yapping”. But first one must face oneself individually taking account of what they are willing to loose or gain and measure it up to what the global tyranny will take away anyway. Once decided they can act individually or jointly or in whatever way they feel most effective.

What’s important is how you live and die, not how someone decides that for you, and if you fight to live right, soon enough you’ll find others who’ll fight at your side. Being honest with oneself is the first step. Do you need to win? Are you willing to sacrifice? Yes, this is a war and you need to choose while you can.

Jacques
Jacques
Sep 10, 2021 10:06 PM
Reply to  Ian

Why are people forever trying to find answers for the future

Sorry for the omission, that should have read “Why are people forever trying to find answers for the future in the past“

We DO NOT know who and how to fight, oppose. I grew up in a Second World totalitarian where the situations was somewhat similar to what is being foisted on the world, albeit already long established and permeating society when I was born. But it was rather clear who the enemy was. Not so much today. At least no for most people.

I don’t need your lessons as to how to act. I’ve already taken action to free myself earlier in my life, and I’ll do it again.

The bottom line is that the only discourse anti-covid people have is aimed against covid, against various aspects of it, against this and that. Endless analyses of past events. Meanwhile, the covid people (those pulling the strings) have a plan and are implementing it, shifting stuff around as they go along. At best, we are able to follow their moves. Let’s say that we someone manage to overpower them. What then? Where is our plan? Where is our vision of the future? Where is anything tangible, other than the implicit going back to some point in the past?

Where is any meaningful debate about any of this? Look at this website, which is among the more enlightened. Three articles in a row about a rather distant past, an event that can’t be undone. It reminds me of people around here who are forever, year after year on August 21, analyzing the Soviet invasion in 1968. Yeah, there is Corbett’s suggestion that people should procreate, but is that supposed to be the solution for the future? Have babies? Hardly.

Koba
Koba
Sep 11, 2021 11:57 AM
Reply to  Jacques

And to be honest the vast majority of people having kids these days just lump a tablet in front of their sprogs and consider themselves the supreme parents Because they have a few Facebook pictures of their child

Maiasta
Maiasta
Sep 11, 2021 7:44 PM
Reply to  Jacques

What kind of proactive strategy would you suggest, Jacques?

That is a real question, not a rhetorical one.

Howard
Howard
Sep 10, 2021 3:56 PM
Reply to  Ian

In getting real, unfortunately, one must pay lip service to reality.

In seeking to convince people the “system” is out to get them, it is absolutely imperative to first prove to the people that that same “system” has been out to get them all along; and that that “system” has first gone after the “low hanging fruit” – i.e., individuals, such as the Kennedys, and nations, such as Afghanistan and Iraq. And now is coming for them also.

Unfortunately, too, coming up to people empty handed and shouting in their faces “You’re gonna die, fool! You’ve got to stop these psychos!” may not produce the desired result.

Whereas explaining to them that this “system” has deceived them before and now seeks to deceive them one last time just might open their eyes. (But don’t hold your breath.)

someone
someone
Sep 10, 2021 4:00 PM
Reply to  Howard

If they can’t see it now I doubt those things cemented by the reams of supporting drivel from academic/media gatekeeping for the past 100 years are open to examination.

wardropper
wardropper
Sep 10, 2021 4:03 PM
Reply to  Howard

‘Lip service’ was back in the 20th Century.
It’s had its day.

If you commit crimes of high treason, people are going to talk about them.
That’s why we’re here at OffGuardian.

Privately, I get on with my normal life as well as I can, and I argue, preach and complain when I must.

Judith
Judith
Sep 10, 2021 9:34 PM
Reply to  Howard

Absolutely George. If i did not have the 6 years of learning the truth(or as close as we can get to it in some cases) prior to this nightmare i would never have suspected in March 2020 that the Pandemic was anything but.

I have appreciated Prof MacQueens work since i started reading and watching in 2014.

I think a lot of us mourn the death of whatever the Left meant to us. It doesnt mean we’re stuck.

The photo of Nancy Pelosi, Chuck Schumer and others taking the knee last year was the most condescending insult to Black Americans i have ever witnessed. While she described the wonderful chocolate icecream bars her family stored in their freezer during lockdown. In that gated community, correct me if Im wrong?

Not that i have anything against gated communities.

nondimenticare
nondimenticare
Sep 10, 2021 7:40 PM
Reply to  Ian

Mr. McQueen did not post this article in the middle of the night, unbeknownst to Off-G. It is part of an announced Off-G focus on both 9/11 and COVID, their similarities (and differences), as the 9/11 20th anniversary looms. Obviously, one parallel that must be discussed is the complicity of the self-described “left,” so obvious in both cases.

Is analysis irrelevant? Is history irrelevant? Can we react only to the eternal present, without a look backwards? Yes, history does not repeat itself, but it rhymes. Is the rhyme scheme inconsequential?

Pig Swill
Pig Swill
Sep 10, 2021 9:48 PM
Reply to  Ian

Left is a puppet show, right is a puppet show, TV is a puppet show and everything else in between is a puppet show. It’s puppets and shows all the way down. And turtles.

Arby
Arby
Sep 11, 2021 6:36 AM
Reply to  Ian

“What a waste of time reading this article.” Take it for what it is. Are you tied to this site only? I’m not. I ONLY blog about covid right now. How could I not? (But I don’t promise to not deviate, very briefly, if there’s something I want to point out.)

Cliff Edwards
Cliff Edwards
Sep 13, 2021 3:59 AM
Reply to  Ian

Crocodile tears for the left at this critical juncture

You didn’t notice, did you, that the article was originally published in March 2017?

Edwige
Edwige
Sep 10, 2021 2:30 PM

“Most peculiar and disturbing is the tendency of left activists and leaders to join with state intelligence agencies in using the term “conspiracy theory” to dismiss those who raise questions about official state narratives. There seems to be little awareness among these left critics of the history of the term.”

It’s too peculiar to be plausible, it’s gate-keeping. Grasping this is not hard once one realises that the elite and ‘Left’ ideas are not irreconcilable. At best, the elite are above mere ideologies and will use anything that suits their purpose at a particular moment; at worst, a certain sort of ‘Left-ism’ is positively embraced in elite circles. Solutions that increase the state and large corporations and diminish the individual and autonomous groups are fine by them.

Marx had an aristocratic wife, factory owner best buddy (handler) and wrote for the Daily Telegraph; Lenin gets ushered back to Russia by a Warburg; Trotsky gets money from who-knows-where and mysteriously isn’t detained by Canadian immigration; Stalin made his name in the Baku oilfields, run by the Rothschilds; Mao gets educated at ‘the Yale of the east’ and his guerillas get armed and trained by the OSS. The Rockefellers could fly into the USSR any time and get a warm welcome and of course David Rockefeller wrote his famous paean to Mao ‘From a China traveler’ in 1979. Promises of a ‘Workers’ Paradise’ have an uncanny habit of ending up in the mass murder of said workers (e.g. more peasants died in the ‘Red Terror’ than aristos/bourgeoisie and the man in charge of killing them Dzerzinski was an aristocrat. Dzerzinski told Sydney Reilly, “why should I concern myself with how many die? Even the Christian Bible says what is man that God should be mindful of him? For me men are nothing but a brain at one end and a shit factory at the other”. According to John Coleman, Reilly was Dzerzinski’s handler while Bruce Lockhart handled Lenin and Trotsky).

Real Leftists suffer the fate of the Greens in the Russian Civil War – extermination and being written out of the history books (the Civil War was only Reds vs. Whites according to the approved version of history).

As for people in the article: Mark Lane survived Jonestown; Ahmadinejad gave Larry King a Freemasonic handshake on TV; there’s a whole lot extremely dubious about Castro and the Cuban Revolution.

‘The Great Reset’ makes this elite use of seemingly Leftist notions absolutely stark if all this history doesn’t convince. “You’ll own nothing and be happy”. The way they intend to centralise resource allocation makes Gosplan look like the Adam Smith Institute.

QuantumSingularity
QuantumSingularity
Sep 10, 2021 3:53 PM
Reply to  Edwige

For me men are nothing but a brain at one end and a shit factory at the other.

Be wary of ones who talk out their ass and shit out their mouth, lest you find yourself shoving your head so far up your own ass after convincing yourself you love the taste of shit.

Arby
Arby
Sep 11, 2021 6:45 AM

“It is not what enters into a man’s mouth that defiles him, but it is what comes out of his mouth that defiles him.” – Jesus Christ (Matthew 15:11)

Howard
Howard
Sep 10, 2021 4:05 PM
Reply to  Edwige

This is an excellent tome…for those who have already determined throwing up their hands in disgust is the best policy.

I’m sure eventually some “dirt” can be found on any world leader. To get where they got, they had to have climbed into bed with the bankers and other money men at some point.

However, people – especially ambitious people – seem to have a habit of biting the hand that fed them in their rise to power. Not an admirable trait; but a necessary one.

It’s what they did AFTER they got in power that matters – not HOW they got there.

Lost in a dark wood
Lost in a dark wood
Sep 10, 2021 4:37 PM
Reply to  Edwige

Some interesting connections.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samuel_Hoare,_1st_Viscount_Templewood
Samuel John Gurney Hoare, 1st Viscount Templewood, GCSI, GBE, CMG, PC, JP (24 February 1880 – 7 May 1959), more commonly known as Sir Samuel Hoare, was a senior British Conservative politician who served in various Cabinet posts in the Conservative and National governments of the 1920s and 1930s.

First World War
Aged 34 at the time, Hoare joined the Army soon after the outbreak of the First World War. He was commissioned into the Norfolk Yeomanry as a temporary lieutenant on 17 October 1914.[14] To his disappointment, he was initially only a recruiting officer[10] and illness prevented him from serving at the front. He was promoted to temporary captain on 24 April 1915.[15]

While acting as a recruiting officer, he learnt Russian. In 1916, he was recruited by Mansfield Cumming to be the future MI6’s liaison officer with the Russian Intelligence service in Petrograd (now Saint Petersburg). He soon became head of the British Intelligence Mission to the Russian General Staff with the temporary rank of lieutenant-colonel.[10][16] In that post, he reported to the British government the death of Rasputin and apologised, because of the sensational nature of the event, for having written it in the style of the Daily Mail.[17]

In March 1917 he was posted to Rome, where he remained until the end of the war. His duties included helping to dissuade Italy from dropping out of the war.[10] In Italy, he met and recruited the former socialist leader Benito Mussolini on behalf of the British overseas intelligence service, which was then known as MI1(c). Britain’s intelligence service helped Mussolini to finance his first forays into Italian politics as a pro-war spokesman. Hoping to keep Italy on its side in 1917, during the First World War, British intelligence gave Mussolini, a 34-year-old newspaper editor, £100 a week to keep his propaganda flowing.[18]

For his services in the war, Hoare was twice mentioned in despatches, appointed Commander of the Order of St Michael and St George (CMG) in 1917, and awarded the Orders of St Anne and St Stanislas of Russia, and of St Maurice and St Lazarus of Italy.[7]

New Nane
New Nane
Sep 11, 2021 5:11 AM
Reply to  Edwige

Marx was closely related to the most powerful banker of his time.