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9/11 and Afghanistan Post-Mortems: Lessons in Safe Logic

Edward Curtin

In the wake of the US withdrawal from Afghanistan and the 20th anniversary of the mass murders of September 11, 2001, the corporate mainstream and alternative media have been replete with articles analyzing the consequences of 9/11 that resulted in the US invasion of Afghanistan and its alleged withdrawal after two decades of war.

These critiques have ranged from mild to harsh, and have covered issues from the loss of civil liberties due to The Patriot Act and government spying through all the wars “on terror” in so many countries with their disastrous consequences and killing fields. 

Many of these articles have emphasized how, as a result of the Bush administration’s response to 9/11, the US has lost its footing and brought on the demise of the American empire and its standing in the world.  Some writers celebrate this and others bemoan it.  Most seem to consider this inevitable.

This flood of articles has been authored by writers from across the political spectrum from the left through the center to the right. 

All were outraged in their own ways, as such dramatic events typically manage to elicit much spilled ink informed by the writers’ various ideological positions in a media world where the categories of left and right have become meaningless.

These articles have included cries about phony tears for the wrong victims (those who died in the Twin Towers, Pentagon, and on the planes), how good intelligence could have prevented 9/11, how so many died in vain, how it all led to torture, how whistleblowers were not heeded, how the military was right, how the collapse of the towers led to the collapse of the American empire, how bin Laden won, how evil US war making came home in the form of 9/11 evil, how the longest war was in vain, how the Pentagon received vast sums of money over the decades, how the withdrawal from Afghanistan was a betrayal of the 9/11 victims, etc.

Many of the points made were valid; others were not. This flood of opinionated outrage was very emotional and no doubt stirred deep feelings in readers. It fed on the widespread feeling in the country that something dreadful has occurred, but what it is isn’t exactly clear. The sense of mass confusion and continual disaster permeating the air and infecting people’s daily lives.

The sense of unreality existing everywhere.

These articles have almost run their course and a new series of post mortems can be anticipated as fear and trembling attaches to new matters, particularly the ongoing Covid-19 fear porn minus the dire consequences of government policies. Fear is the name of the game and untruth snakes through the media hidden in the grass of truth. 

Many of the articles I referred to above – and you can check for yourself as I have purposely left out names and links – contain truths, but truths that disguise deeper untruths upon which the truths are allegedly based.  I will leave the logic lesson to you.

Since many of these articles have been penned by liberal writers, some of whom one might naively expect to grasp essentials, and since those further to the right are considered defenders of Pax Americana, I will quote the outspoken anti-war singer/songwriter Phil Ochs, who prefaced his trenchant 1965 song, Love Me I’m a Liberal, with these words about logic:

In every political community there are varying shades of political opinion. One of the shadiest of these is the liberals. An outspoken group on many subjects. Ten degrees to the left of center in good times. Ten degrees to the right of center if it affects them personally. Here, then, is a lesson in safe logic.

So here’s the rub about the logic.  Almost without exception (there are a handful of truthful writers aside from those I am here referring to, such as Kit Knightly, Michel Chossudovsky, Pepe Escobar, et al.), from the left to the right and everywhere in between, the authors of all these articles about the mass murders of September 11, 2001 and Afghanistan have based their points on a false premise.

A false premise. This is the way minds are shaped in the era of mass propaganda and servile journalism. Assume (or make believe) something is true despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary, and build from there. Slip in this premise or background assumption as if it were truer than true.

This is what has happened throughout the media in the last two weeks.  It is not new but worth pointing out.

The false premise is this: That 9/11 was a terror attack carried out by Osama bin Laden and al Qaeda as blow-back for American wars against Muslims, and this terror attack on the US led to the invasion of Afghanistan, Iraq, etc.

The evidence is overwhelming that this premise is false.  In fact, the evidence makes clear that 9/11 was an inside job, a false flag attack, carried out by sinister forces within the government of the United States with a little help from certain foreign junior partners to justify its subsequent war crimes across the globe.

I will not explore here the ample evidence concerning 9/11, for it is readily available to readers who have the will to look. 

Even the use of the shorthand – 9/11 for the events of September 11, 2001 – that I have used here for brevity’s sake, is a crucial part of the linguistic propaganda used to frighten and to conjure up thoughts of an ongoing national emergency, as I have written elsewhere.

One is not supposed to say that the mass murders of September 11, 2001 were a false flag attack, for it touches a realty that is so disturbing in its consequences that all the hand wringing post mortems must deny: That nearly three thousand innocent people in the US had first to be murdered as a pretext for killing millions around the world.

It is a lesson in radical evil that is very difficult to swallow, and so must be hidden in a vast tapestry of lies and safe logic.  American innocence can survive the disclosures of US atrocities overseas because the deaths of foreigners have never meant much to Americans, but to bring it all back home is anathema.

It is another example of the unspeakable, as the Trappist monk Thomas Merton said long ago and James W. Douglass referenced in his monumental book, JFK and the Unspeakable, to explain why John Kennedy died at the hands of the CIA and why that fact had to be suppressed.  The mass murders of September 11, 2001 recapitulate that systemic evil that defies speech.

It is the void that contradicts everything that is spoken even before the words are said; the void that gets into the language of public and official declarations at the very moment when they are pronounced, and makes them ring dead with the hollowness of the abyss. It is the void out of which Eichmann drew the punctilious exactitude of his obedience…

From true writers and journalists we should expect something better – that they don’t repeat official declarations, utter hollow platitudes, and build analyses on false premises – but these are not the best of times, to rephrase Ochs, and safe logic keeps one’s legitimacy intact and protects one’s brand.

It’s always personal when it comes to the unspeakable.

Edward Curtin is an independent writer whose work has appeared widely over many years. His website is edwardcurtin.com and his new book is Seeking Truth in a Country of Lies.

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George Mc
George Mc
Sep 19, 2021 9:48 AM

After witnessing the seemingly interminable shit being spewed out on the media and revisiting past events as reported in that media, I wondered how much of our received history is actually true. And I cast a sour eye now on the usual post WW2 platitudes that whizz round relentlessly.

For example: I was looking over reviews of Thomas Beecham’s recording of Mozart’s Magic Flute from the late 30s and I found this:

“This is one from the heart of darkness. In late 1937 and early 1938 Sir Thomas Beecham travelled to Hitler’s Berlin to record what would be the fourth in a series of Mozart operas to appear on the HMV label.

… It is still hard for me to separate the time and place of this recording from the excellence of the performance. Maybe it adds a level of interest to it because music making sometimes cannot be divorced from the world around it … 

Perhaps I’m letting my imagination run too far but it has also always seemed to me a farewell from another period of European history and from within the very black heart that would in the end destroy it. Such beauty and such elegance surely shining brighter coming as they do from amidst such evil which at that time was merely brooding. Or is that just an illusion granted by hindsight?”

A very pertinent question! Only I don’t think that “hindsight” is quite the expression I would use. Perhaps “carefully selected and managed snippets”? 

So here’s the thing: we have been told endlessly about the evil of the Nazis – and I’m not trying to “rehabilitate” them. It’s just that when the same censure is applied nowadays to … well just about everyone the West decides to pick on then you start to wonder if there may have been an element of convenient hyperbole. Or, to be more precise, an element of a “hidden hand in the background”? I have read GG Preparata’s account of “how Britain and America created the Third Reich” (as his Conjuring Hitler puts it in the subtitle) and it strikes me that with the Nazis, the West had the ultimate “baddies” who they have been promoting ever since to serve as justification for British and American atrocities! 

Edwige
Edwige
Sep 19, 2021 2:56 PM
Reply to  George Mc

‘The Magic Flute’ is a highly Freemasonic work. Ingmar Bergman’s film of it is a veritable hymn to the all-seeing eye.

If we’re talking strange British visits to the Nazis in the 1930s, I’d like to know what military strategist and Crowley devotee J.F.C. Fuller discussed in his meetings with Guderian. How to mount a successful Blitzkrieg perhaps?

wardropper
wardropper
Sep 20, 2021 3:10 AM
Reply to  Edwige

Mozart was criticized for revealing too much of the masonic world, but the music actually transcends all political concerns, whatever the scenery and libretto might convey on the surface.
He was not as free as he would have liked to be to compose what he wanted, but he found ways to inspire the pure human soul, despite all the red tape in his places of work.

dr death
dr death
Sep 19, 2021 4:14 PM
Reply to  George Mc

Beecham’s ‘Eroica’ is probably the finest interpretation out there….as always with old recordings it was a bit muddy so I wacked it through sequoia in the studio and hey presto….superb…although a great admirer of the symphony (and some) he left it a long time before tackling it…. suitably nervous as they all are..

understandably..

George Mc
George Mc
Sep 19, 2021 6:44 PM
Reply to  dr death

I haven’t heard it but I was under the impression that Beecham didn’t like Beethoven much. Though admittedly he was always joking about everything.

dr death
dr death
Sep 19, 2021 7:46 PM
Reply to  George Mc

rumour has it that he wasn’t much for the romantic repertoire… being more of a traditional, Mozart, Haydn obsessive… though he seemed restless and he flitted about somewhat..

in some respects he was incredibly unfashionable… saved somewhat by his understanding of inarguable baroque geniuses like Handel etc…

he finally decided to record Beethoven when it was at it’s least relevance for the credentialed academic imbecilia (if at all  possible?)…

 probably just to be awkward and  place it where it belonged… with Haydn and Mozart..

he was certainly smiling…

Rhisiart Gwilym
Rhisiart Gwilym
Sep 19, 2021 10:29 PM
Reply to  George Mc

Speaking to a lady cellist in rehearsal: “Madam, you have between your legs something which has given pleasure to millions, and all you can do is scratch it!”

Or, speaking of ‘Flash Harry’: “Malcolm Sargent came here yesterday, positively reeking of Horlicks.”

And, on the reading out of congratulatory telegrams on a significant anniversary: “Nothing from Mozart? Hm, after all I’ve done for him…”

George Mc
George Mc
Sep 20, 2021 10:29 AM

My own favorite Beecham quotes:

“The sound of a harpsichord – two skeletons copulating on a tin roof in a thunderstorm.”

“An audience wants only two things from an orchestra. First, that everyone should start together. Second, that everyone should finish together. No-one gives a damn what happens in between.”

On conducting a piece he didn’t like, he kept waving his baton after the players had finished. He then stopped and asked why they weren’t playing. Someone at the front said, “That’s the end of it”. He looked at the score and said, “So it is. Thank God for that!”

Howard
Howard
Sep 19, 2021 4:16 PM
Reply to  George Mc

Great comment. And great point made by the (nameless) reviewer of “The Magic Flute.”

It brings up the dark side of art. I read where the great conductor Herbert von Karajan has been pilloried as being something of a collaborator with the Nazis. And where the Norwegian novelist Knut Hamsun supported the German cause (yet even Isaac Bashevis Singer praised him as a writer).

Art always walks a fine line during times of great turmoil and upheaval.

George Mc
George Mc
Sep 19, 2021 6:46 PM
Reply to  Howard

HvK always got singled out as the “Nazi conductor” although he was less of an actual Nazi than Karl Bohm. But then it’s always odd how reputations work out. I suppose Herbert just looked like a Nazi!

Wat Tyler
Wat Tyler
Sep 19, 2021 4:37 PM
Reply to  George Mc

WW2 is a kind of creation myth. Okay, so it was a battle between the forces of light and the forces of darkness, and we were the forces of light, and we won.

Utter bollocks. You can pick details out of the air:

– the fact that Churchill started the arial bombardment of cities.
– the fact that he caused a famine in India that killed about four million (meaningless brown people, a mere footnote in history).
– the fact that we reduced Germany to rubble, raped any woman who dared show her face, starved vast numbers of POWs to death, etc., etc.
– mustn’t forget Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

It’s fucking endless.

Maybe at the centre/root is a single moral question . . . it has nothing to do with ‘pacifism’ (I’m not even sure what that is, unless it’s a practical strategy, i.e Gandhi/King – the right of self-defence is sacred).
The question:
Under what circumstances is it morally permissible to drop bombs on cities full of sleeping children?

There is only one right answer

dr death
dr death
Sep 19, 2021 7:59 PM
Reply to  Wat Tyler

have a look into ‘viscount cherwell’…. professor frederick lindemann.. himself a german ‘of sorts’… he was old stink weeds (churchill) zionist ‘handler’..

and architect of dresden and hamburg..

unsurprisingly he hated germans..

les online
les online
Sep 20, 2021 12:48 AM
Reply to  Wat Tyler

Security trumps Morality – every time…
Every ill being perpetrated in the world today is done in pursuit of Security.
Security drives The Great Reset, and the culling of the elderly, the infirm, the extermination of Undesirables, and Deplorables…
Behind every Gentleman’s Agreement lurks the Desire to Own it all…
Because Ownership, Property, are created by Insecurity…

May Hem
May Hem
Sep 20, 2021 6:04 AM
Reply to  Wat Tyler

Churchill, when first lord of the admiralty, was largely responsible for the deaths of many australian soldiers (colonial cannon fodder) attempting to invade Turkey at Gallipoli in 1915.
Australia continues to celebrate the ANZAC myth, seeing it as something sacred and saving the country from …… what?

mgeo
mgeo
Sep 20, 2021 8:28 AM
Reply to  Wat Tyler

After routing Britain and France at Dunkirk, Hitler offered peace, asking only for the return of German colonies.. Churchill personally directed the war like Hitler.. The Air Force rejected his order to use poison gas on Germany, and to reduce Rome to rubble. -David Irving’s book reported by Paul Roberts, 2019

After victory, the major Allies all engaged in rape, mass murder by starvation and plunder. Even African countries are demanding the return of their antiques and art. Yet, Germany remains mute over every injustice and accusation against it.

George Mc
George Mc
Sep 20, 2021 4:40 PM
Reply to  Wat Tyler

Sure enough when you think about how Germany was really a small nation with a ludicrous leader ranting away and silly goose stepping soldiers … and yet this was supposed to threaten all civilisation! I’d say the Nazis were an earlier version of The Big Bad that either never was or could have been dealt with very easily with minimum fuss.

Grace Johns
Grace Johns
Sep 20, 2021 6:07 PM
Reply to  Wat Tyler

C*** Churchill at the heart of darkness – the original Black Friday, when women were kicked and sexually mauled during a protest outside Commons (You thought Australian police were tyrants, same playbook – get ’em down a side street) and a disabled woman thrown out of her wheelchair. He declined to initiate an investigation.

British refused to take in Romanovs (their family!) bc they were busy installing Bolshevism – and where did all the jewels end up?

This has been going on, building up for far too long now for little people to make a difference with protest marches. Only a parallel society is going to reset this crap. If all those people removed their cash from the bank instead of giving the police an excuse to kick them around, if they stopped shopping at corporate stores, stopped filing t**xes, that’s a start.

someone
someone
Sep 19, 2021 5:21 PM
Reply to  George Mc

British and American?

Moneycircus
Moneycircus
Sep 19, 2021 5:42 PM
Reply to  George Mc

Is there any connection between the Third Reich and the Fourth ‘Industrial Revolution’ — and if so, how does that affect what we know?

I will not reinvent the research of Johnny Vedmore. Unless Klaus Schwab has a doppelgänger, his family was embedded in the Third Reich.

The connection is technocratic. That has been established by Patrick Wood and Antony Sutton. Again, there is no reason to reinvent the wheel.

We agree that bad things happened. But they did not happen the way we are told.

Aktion T4 came before the Holocaust and the latter — which should not be minimized — has served to obscure and has been used to obscure the broader plan.

It is still being used to obscure the broader plan. Just type into Google: Covid, Holocaust and the results yield numerous articles like: Don’t compare coronavirus policies to the Holocaust.

Three conclusions follow:

First, that the explanation for the Holocaust has never made sense, not least because Hitler and many of his top associates like Eichmann and Goebbels were targeting their own kind.

Second, that the Holocaust was part of a broader war at home, by the German state upon its citizens.

Third: the Third Reich was a corporate enterprise, using government as cover for massive profiteering — exactly as today.

In short, euthanasia is profit-driven and has been since its modern inception by Malthus on behalf of the East India Company.

dr death
dr death
Sep 19, 2021 8:24 PM
Reply to  Moneycircus

 WW2 looks very much like a smoke and mirrors exercise.. part two of the Great war Tableau..
codes were broken early on.. so it would be easy for a third party sat atop the intelligence chain to play a great game of chess… passing information and steering outcomes… and this seems likely..

dunkirk, stalingrad, kursk… are all very suspicious as was the notion that the germans had this huge war machine…

stalin had more tanks than the rest of the world combined and they were real tanks, reliable well engineered and didn’t rely on repurposed field guns..
it was the equivalent of the world fighting iran today… most of the german strengths were in new tek, which funnily enough hitler never allowed to be used.. helicopters, jets, the first assault rifle, new methods of fuel refining etc..

the germans had no hope of winning the war.. some say from ’41 onwards but they were dead before they started.. look at some inventories and fuel logistics..

it did however reshape the world in the interests of certain ‘third parties’ and supra-national government… and gave them a bogeyman with which to break the nation state..
it also gave a sizable portion of europe over to communist control… where ‘ideas’ could be refined… most of it funded by wall street via the OSS/CIA..

just like the ‘covid’ shenanigans… perhaps nothing is as it seems ?…

the only thing hitler seems to have accomplished was creating the state of israel..

dr death
dr death
Sep 19, 2021 8:59 PM
Reply to  dr death

NB: an interesting bridge between WW2 and the 9/11 operation was of course the so called ‘moon landings’…

piloted by rocket man and SS veteran werner von braun.. who hopped on board the yankee/soviet ahem, space race via operation paperclip…

one can see clearly in hindsight how these ‘events’ are used to mould consensus and develop new technologies for black ops purposes..

war always pushes the latest scientisms into the mainstream, as with the new war on germs/war on death itself..

Moneycircus
Moneycircus
Sep 20, 2021 7:46 AM
Reply to  dr death

Interesting which ‘conspiracy theories’ are fought to the death: the ‘key facts’ of WW2 in Europe, JFK’s execution by the same protagonists and the Moon Landings.

Other ‘conspiracy theories’ are barely challenged: Pearl Harbor, USS Liberty, Gulf of Tonkin, Operation Gladio… even 9/11 is falling apart and is no longer actively defended, simply repeated.

That, I suggest, is because the latter underline the inadequacy of Europe and the West and their inability to protect their people. Thus it is in the interests of the enemies of the western nation states to highlight their weakness.

someone
someone
Sep 19, 2021 9:55 PM
Reply to  dr death

Funny that.

WW1 creates the Balfour declaration.

ww2 actions it.

Europe gets 70 million dead and its identity smashed.

someone
someone
Sep 19, 2021 10:36 PM
Reply to  dr death

Mr Mathis has some interesting reseach on the fake Nazi set up. Validate what you will, but at least he has slightly more questions as to the actual details than mainstream historians..

http://mileswmathis.com/hiller.pdf

Howard
Howard
Sep 20, 2021 3:14 PM
Reply to  someone

Tweedledum and Tweedledee

Agreed to have a battle;

For Tweedledum said Tweedledee

Had spoiled his nice new rattle.

This is all anyone ever needs to know of human history.

George Mc
George Mc
Sep 20, 2021 10:03 PM
Reply to  Moneycircus

One “explanation” for The Holocaust is that it was some kind of irresistible malignant force rising in the masses and was attributable to the masses specifically. It was a product of “The Great Dark Beast within us all” and which we must always keep in check in pretty much the same self-lacerating way that medieval peasants were told that, if they wanted to save their immortal souls, then they had to constantly criticise every minute action they made and even every thought that crossed their minds rather than critique The Divine Right of Kings that kept them down at the bottom.

Even more to the point, this incipient Evil Within that would always emerge with mass action was held up as a corrective to every optimistic vision of future society – especially the visions that committed the blasphemy of suggesting that the present order could be improved on. Thus I have heard that William Golding (through his Lord of the Flies) had “ingested the lessons of World War II and the concentration camps” while “Tolkien ignored them”. (Brian Aldiss said this.)

It’s always a giveaway when we hear about “the lessons” of WW2 and/or the Holocaust – as if these events were staged to teach us something – and this “something” is – surprise surprise – what the victors want us to hear.

Gapper
Gapper
Sep 24, 2021 1:12 PM

As the author describes, 9/11 and likely many significant events have been planned and controlled by covert agreements between governments generally for gain of power and position. This includes the US election process and the world’s response to (and likely creation of) the purported Covid 19 pandemic. What is disconcerting is the ease in convincing the masses that the official version is the truth. Many of my family members, friends and associates refuse to consider any other alternatives and become angry if challenged. Many of these have multiple college degrees.

I just read an article in National Review where the author stated that there was no fraud in the 2020 election and denigrated the Trump administration as corrupt and irresponsible to challenge the results. Over 400 commenters responded, the vast majority agreed with the author. I am certain these commenters had no specific evidence beyond media reports to draw their conclusions, but they adamantly support the official position. Those few commenters who offered challenges, were treated like idiots. This is just one example of how the mind can be manipulated.

strange
strange
Sep 20, 2021 8:45 PM

former australian diplomat Bruce Haigh described australia as precisely like ‘Apartheid South Africa’.

US republican media described morrison’s government as a ‘Tyrannical Regime’

Tom Larsen
Tom Larsen
Sep 20, 2021 5:19 PM

It is worth reading the lyrics of Phil Ochs’ song; they are just as true today as when they were written:

“Love Me, I’m A Liberal”
Phil Ochs (1966)

I cried when they shot Medgar Evers
Tears ran down my spine
I cried when they shot Mr. Kennedy
As though I’d lost a father of mine
But Malcolm X got what was coming
He got what he asked for this time
So love me, love me, love me, I’m a liberal

I go to civil rights rallies
And I put down the old D.A.R.
I love Harry and Sidney and Sammy
I hope every colored boy becomes a star
But don’t talk about revolution
That’s going a little bit too far
So love me, love me, love me, I’m a liberal

I cheered when Humphrey was chosen
My faith in the system restored
I’m glad the commies were thrown out
Of the A.F.L. C.I.O. board
I love Puerto Ricans and Negros
As long as they don’t move next door
So love me, love me, love me, I’m a liberal

The people of old Mississippi
Should all hang their heads in shame
I can’t understand how their minds work
What’s the matter don’t they watch Les Crain?
But if you ask me to bus my children
I hope the cops take down your name
So love me, love me, love me, I’m a liberal

I read New republic and Nation
I’ve learned to take every view
You know, I’ve memorized Lerner and Golden
I feel like I’m almost a Jew
But when it comes to times like Korea
There’s no one more red, white and blue
So love me, love me, love me, I’m a liberal

I vote for the Democratic party
They want the U.N. to be strong
I go to all the Pete Seeger concerts
He sure gets me singing those songs
I’ll send all the money you ask for
But don’t ask me to come on along
So love me, love me, love me, I’m a liberal

Once I was young and impulsive
I wore every conceivable pin
Even went to the socialist meetings
Learned all the old union hymns
But I’ve grown older and wiser
And that’s why I’m turning you in
So love me, love me, love me, I’m a liberal
 

Howard
Howard
Sep 20, 2021 3:34 PM

I’m hoping OffG will present at some point James Corbett’s latest Corbett Report (“911 Truth: Lessons Learned?”). No graphics, no pictures, just him talking.

It’s one of the best Corbett Reports I’ve ever watched.

Grace Johns
Grace Johns
Sep 20, 2021 6:15 PM
Reply to  Howard

Agreed H. His idea that we’re endlessly arguing over the distractions and nothing will ever change if we continue is so spot on.

strange
strange
Sep 20, 2021 2:12 PM

“Americans didn’t die for Australians in WWII so they could become slaves of a tyrant”

who would’ve thought the snake oil salesman, the conservative marketing cheat can be a Tyrant??!

Buster Bloodvessel
Buster Bloodvessel
Sep 20, 2021 6:11 AM

Good article thanks.

Also one critical aspect of the event that isn’t really examined is the “how” bit.

To investigate this exposes the fact that the buildings were essentially turned to dust in mid-air. There was no rubble, no broken office furniture. Only one filing cabinet was recovered, from a basement office. No toilets, no sanitary ware, no dna of victims was recovered.The only thing that survived was paper.

Surely this was a power/prestige demonstration put on to mark the transition to a new epoch of global governance and control.
While everyone is busy arguing over the which propaganda is the real propaganda the hidden players relentlessly act out the moves of the big agendas. The end goals are now even being openly discussed, the NWO , the transition from the real to the new normal is within sight . Line up for your passport to the Transhuman future.

Howard
Howard
Sep 20, 2021 3:19 PM

The key to it – and perhaps the dead give-away – is the word “recovered.” Not having been there, I’m unable to verify whether what was “recovered” was everything that was there.

Martin Usher
Martin Usher
Sep 20, 2021 12:37 AM

I think the 3000 people who were lost were an unfortunate consequence of not knowing exactly what the junior partners were going to do. Its all too easy to fall into the trap of assuming that there’s some all-knowing mastermind living in a volcano somewhere who plots every last detail. The real world appears to be somewhat more chaotic. A book that might be regarded as a primer on this subject is the biography of William Stephenson, “A Man Called Intrepid”. The tricks, counter tricks and counter-counter tricks of the WW2 era have a familiar ring to them because, seriously, why would anyone wind down such a successful operation just because the war was won? (You just need to move out the old guard, the people who had a purpose and probably integrity.)

les online
les online
Sep 19, 2021 11:53 PM

“… carried out by … forces within the government.” In my conspiracy analysis the Deep State carried out the dastardly deed .Like the Chinese Communist Party (legally non-existing), it operates outside of and alongside of the government.

In Australia national elections are fought over “Which Major Party is The Best At Managing The Economy ?” Neither is. All decisions big and small are made in the boardrooms of companies… Though not organised as a party like the CCP, these decision makers operate outside of government, and their organising principle is Capital -they are all servants of Capital. (as the CCP is the Servant of The People)
Jacques Camatte: ‘politics is an epiphenoma of the economy’.

mgeo
mgeo
Sep 20, 2021 8:46 AM
Reply to  les online

The decision makers may spell out the orders to government ministers/heads at the exclusive clubs (e.g., golf) where the latter have free memberships.

Jeffrey Strahl
Jeffrey Strahl
Sep 19, 2021 9:41 PM

“The evidence is overwhelming that this premise is false. In fact, the evidence makes clear that 9/11 was an inside job, a false flag attack, carried out by sinister forces within the government of the United States with a little help from certain foreign junior partners to justify its subsequent war crimes across the globe.” Amazing how many of even the people who frequent this website cannot accept this, and even many of those who do see it was a false flag attack still have to blame another agency besides the government of the United States because they cannot accept this either.

New Name
New Name
Sep 20, 2021 7:50 AM
Reply to  Jeffrey Strahl

There is a very,very powerful “junior partner”.

Lysias
Lysias
Sep 20, 2021 3:38 PM
Reply to  New Name

Christopher Bollyn’s “Solving 9-11” shows how all a pervasive the role of that powerful junior partner was in 9/11.

Bollyn barely mentions Cheney and Rumsfeld, so his book is not the whole truth. But it is an important part of it.

Rhys Jaggar
Rhys Jaggar
Sep 19, 2021 7:03 PM

Americans would do best to consider that only two things really happened after 9/11:

  1. The Patriot Act.
  2. The ridiculous defence spending the past 20 years.

If Americans just focussed on those two things and asked whether both are ‘Unamerican’ (to use an expression that those of us outside America will allow US citizens to define), they would start to ask what needs to be done to change potentially Unamerican actions.

It really is legitimate to discuss the repeal of the Patriot Act, to discuss wide-ranging deep cuts to defence spending and also, to discuss how the Covid19 lockdowns have emerged as a result of accepting the Patriot Act implications.

New Name
New Name
Sep 20, 2021 7:52 AM
Reply to  Rhys Jaggar

What about the Yinon Plan ? It was advanced enormously by 9/11 and the wars it justified.

Howard
Howard
Sep 20, 2021 3:38 PM
Reply to  Rhys Jaggar

Don’t forget: Congress worked their nimble little fingers to the bone helping Joe Biden write the Patriot Act in one weekend!

As a US citizen, I can tell you flat out there is no such thing as Unamerican – because there is NOTHING America would not do.

Corarden
Corarden
Sep 19, 2021 6:32 PM

All this talk of transhumanism, and the idea of eternal life after being uploaded to a super server that will never experience a power cut, and the best they can come up with is a remote control car with a gun stuck on top of it to terrorise the imprisoned civilian population…

fxgrube
fxgrube
Sep 19, 2021 10:35 PM
Reply to  Corarden

With all the junk floating around the lower earth orbit, you can almost bet on, at some point, the ultimate power cut.

Kalen
Kalen
Sep 19, 2021 4:59 PM

New normal according to MoA.

Today, once popular bloggers analysts who used to lament about censorship and propaganda lies of MSM and other media and professed unwavering commitment to freedom of speech proudly praise worse censorship, ideological cleansing targeting banning and canceling people of their own community or barflies for their crimes against what amounts to political dogmas peddled by authoritarian regimes like US.

The case in point is B, self appointed soldier for new normal and self-certified authority on Truth and reality, with no regret guilt or remorse for what ultimately is utter failure of his own public integrity and credibility that led to blog’s demise in last 18 months, proudly published his own hit list or rather execution list of those rendered by his kangaroo court of one as unclean, retarded, stupid, ignorant conspiracy theorists or as he sees them personal enemies who want him fail. What is very interesting that such epithets are not listed as reasons of censorship but supposed actions or behavior B is actually regularity committing himself or was engaged in.

@Rever, Bernhard F., Odenwälder, Drive by Commenting, Francoise, … or whatever other name you will use You are banned from this site for 

a. Repeatedly insulting other commentators.

b. Coming back despite promising not to

c. Sockpuppetry 

All comments by you on this site will be deleted.

Posted by: b | Sep 19 2021 14:14 utc | 1

Insults are bad but B himself continuously insults Covid skeptics as Covidiots, lunatics peddling nonsense , conspiracy theorists, danger to society. Despite begging of his supporters he is coming back to subjects he was proven by his own followers to be ignorant or utterly wrong and that also includes Covid and his full support for completely discredited by 100 years of scientific research face masks that he wanted to be permanent beyond Covid, useless social distancing never in history recommended for healthy for respiratory diseases, track and trace medical surveillance state of discrimination segregation and devastating to public health and economy mass lockdowns. Not to mention his support for failed experimental vaxxes which victims including dead were never mentioned on MoA except in promptly removed comments.

B remains largely silent about mandatory vaxxes and medical apartheid while openly supporting and implementing censorship of vaxx adverse effects and independent from manufacturers studies of safety and efficacy There is just a sliver of difference between MoA and NYT coverage of Covid sham in fact NYT is slightly better as they covered sham of PCR tests with CT40 MoA never did.

The most ridiculous accusation that landed many beyond this short list in MoA gulag is alleged sockpuppetry, meaning representing not individual opinion but specific externally driven agenda, as B himself denied reason, rejected hard data and skepticism of many independent experts and blatantly peddled uncritical official Covid propaganda with no shred of deeper analysis he was know for in BC era. B showed himself of sockpuppet of bio surveillance apparatus.

Despite knowing better on January 25, 2020 when he urged his followers “don’t panic as it is not extraordinary dangerous disease as it kills only dying old and fragile, B slipped into dictatorial coma of authoritarian zealotry under guise of Covid as California and NY state governors and other officials did imposing draconian rule on others while commonly violating them with impunity.

George Mc
George Mc
Sep 19, 2021 6:51 PM
Reply to  Kalen

As with Caitlin Johnstone, I’m glad I never read MoA much. Sounds like a real wanker though. As does CJ. (What’s the female equivalent? A frigger?)

Arfur Mo
Arfur Mo
Sep 19, 2021 10:42 PM
Reply to  George Mc

He was a proper covid sceptic right up the moment when it hit the west, then it was 180 degrees without any explanation. It was literally one post sceptic, next post fully on board. He is now full vaxxinator.

#Medical-Imperialist

Exercise for the reader. Assume a family of two adults and two children. Assume no shady deals rejucing jad privce in exchange for full meidical data of victims. How many countries would face a bill for >10% of their equal parchasing power GDP (I know, but it’s a start) for a full course of MoA’s favourite jabjuice?

Tom Larsen
Tom Larsen
Sep 20, 2021 9:54 PM
Reply to  George Mc

Here’s something really positive: leftist Max Blumenthal of the Grayzone (an anti-imperialist investigative journalism site) has had enough cognitive dissonance. The link below is an interview he did with CJ Hopkins recently on a new platform called Foreign Agent. It is really good! He has now joined the ranks of the conspiracy theorists!

I think this is important as the Grayzone is a touchstone for some of the “mainstream left.” When they see a respected figure like Max breaking ranks – well, I shouldn’t get my hopes up – but it is a good thing.

https://odysee.com/@WinstonsWorld:a/GloboCap:0

Sophie - Admin1
Admin
Sophie - Admin1
Sep 19, 2021 7:14 PM
Reply to  Kalen

Now THAT is genuine censorship. Does anyone commenting on MoA complain about it as much as some few people do about spending an hour in the pending folder on here? 😉

Tom Larsen
Tom Larsen
Sep 20, 2021 7:31 PM

Maybe. A couple of weeks ago I wrote (what was for me a) lengthy post that took me about 45 minutes to compose. It had no links. It has never appeared. I have also had numerous posts that appeared a day and half after it landed in the spam box – after most people have stopped looking at the article. I am not accusing Off-G of censorship, but your “pending” and spam filter seem very arbitrary.

Sophie - Admin1
Admin
Sophie - Admin1
Sep 20, 2021 8:49 PM
Reply to  Tom Larsen

In the years I have been working here I have advised people literally more than a hundred times to always make copies of longer comments in case the system screws up. I repeat the advice here.

Do you know of a place with a more active or functional comment platform?

Whenever we ask that we never get an answer. Go figure.

You can also bet the same people complaining about the spam filter would be the first to moan if we turned it off and let the trolls and the spam flood every conversation to a standstill. 🤷‍♀️

Tom Larsen
Tom Larsen
Sep 20, 2021 9:29 PM

RE: Whenever we ask that we never get an answer.

I did save the text of what I posted in that comment that never appeared. But doesn’t make much sense to make a post so late that no one will read it.

Off-G is my favorite website and the comment section in my opinion has no peer.That said, does that mean the spam filter cannot be improved?

Would it make sense to post the same comment more than once? That is, would the spam filter catch it both times, or is it more arbitrary and it would be worthwhile to re-post after a couple of hours?

Thanks.

Sophie - Admin1
Admin
Sophie - Admin1
Sep 21, 2021 8:28 AM
Reply to  Tom Larsen

If you repeat post the same comment in rapid succession Akismet wil almost definitely flag it as spam

wardropper
wardropper
Sep 21, 2021 3:46 AM

But there is also the question of what is going on when a couple of years of commenting here have been pretty trouble-free, but lately, something is different.
It’s like the spam filter has occasional fits, where it turns into a puritanic ‘snowflake’, and gets vengefully upset if it sees certain words…

All my comments are now thrown into the filter, and this is not justifiable.
I have contacted the ‘authorities’, but little has changed.
A couple of long, but thoughtful comments of mine have just disappeared.

It’s depressing that one of the few media lifelines available to sane people appears to have succumbed to ‘truth sensitivity’.

I’m not dull-witted. I can be reasoned with.

Sam - Admin2
Admin
Sam - Admin2
Sep 24, 2021 4:02 AM
Reply to  wardropper

I don’t understand why the spam filter hates you, Wardropper. No one here has a secret vendetta against you, I assure you. I’ve checked before, you’re not flagged in any way, you should get through. May I suggest you troubleshoot your end? Are you using a vpn? If so, try turning it off. If not, may I suggest you try one. Opera browser has a free one. Proton mail has one too.

You might also try a different email. The first post you make with a new email/ip will likely get spam checked, so be patient there, but after the first message gets cleared see how you get on then. I’d be interested to know. Truly sorry things aren’t going your way BTL lately. A2

Ort
Ort
Sep 20, 2021 9:14 PM
Reply to  Tom Larsen

I refrained from fussing about this at the time, but a few weeks ago I posted a reply to one of your comments.

I wasn’t too surprised that it was pended in the state-of-the-art spam filter, but when I failed to get the automated e-mail that it had been sprung from spamcarceration, I returned to the thread the next day and confirmed that it had simply vanished.

Since I had saved a copy– as occasionally recommended– I waited for a few more hours and re-posted it with a brief explanation that my first attempt had been disappeared.

This one was also pended, which annoyed but didn’t surprise me. The result was the same– it apparently fell through the cracks again. I tried a third time– again waiting a day in hopes that I wasn’t somehow exacerbating the “disappear comment” cycle.

After my desperate “third time’s a charm” attempt met the same fate, I gave up.

I didn’t seek an “explanation”, because they typically add insult to injury. For instance, the sensible advice to make a copy in case the filter accidently “loses” the original implies that one will re-post the copy– why else make one?

But this becomes a “Catch-22”, since one of the recurring non-explanations is that if someone unwisely attempts to re-post a comment previously swallowed by the spam filter, the filter will process the repetition as likely “spam”.

BTW, although I couldn’t begin to read the spam filter’s mind, my disappeared comment contained no link or obvious “trigger” word– and even if it contained some fatal element that precluded publication, there surely ought to be some affirmative feedback to explain the comment’s fatal flaw for the errant commenter’s edification.

So I concur with your closing sentence.

Rhisiart Gwilym
Rhisiart Gwilym
Sep 19, 2021 11:07 PM
Reply to  Kalen

Been banned by b, have you K? 🙂 bernhard has a huge blind-spot about the covid swindle, and has made a complete ass of himself over it (as has the otherwise-estimable Andrei Raevsky/The Saker).

We ALL have them, you know, blind spots…

But – baby and bathwater! Outside his hypnotically-induced covid delusion (perhaps he has an unluckily high level of hypnotic suggestibility? It’s entirely unconnected to intelligence or informed savvy; all sorts get tripped up by it) b continues to offer outstandingly good, non-mediawhore-ish insight and commentary on world events; as do many of his btl barflies. Only a fool is going to throw all that out just because b’s gone no-brainer apeshit about covid.

Think of any hypnosis stage entertainments you may have seen, in person or on vid. Do you think those ‘volunteers’ capering about onstage are all thickoes? Not at all. They’re just at the high end of the suggestibility spectrum, which “bloweth where it listeth”. Pure happenstance. It can trip anyone.

I should enter here a small plea for tolerant patience with the millions of poor sods who’ve fallen h,l&s for the covid swindle. If you’re unluckily suggestible, you’ve as much chance of standing against the current covid-bullshit propaganda blizzard as a skier has of standing against an avalanche. Don’t blame people too harshly for not being able to do what they just can’t. I never blame my dogs for not being able to do integral calculus; or even differential… Wonderful superior-to-human creatures though they are, they just lack that particular capacity.

Kalen
Kalen
Sep 20, 2021 2:10 AM

This is not a blind spot or selected ignorance. And I do no see any baby to save in the bath water.

This is dramatic flip flop correlated likely coordinated with mass media propaganda. B on January 25 2020 wrote: “Do not panic” novel coronavirus was not dangerous or very infectious disease as it affected only old and fragile in last months of their lives, not a threat to humanity . All that sober assessment, only to switch to panic mode in February when there was no official US Covid victims and few dozens of questionable cases while emerging hard epidemiological data from South Korea, Iceland and Cruise ships confirmed B’s initial assertion.

we knew in March/April 2020 after US seroprevalence studies were completed that he was right back then, so Unless he had brain injury, I do not believe in losing reason and analytical data analyzing faculties overnight, being suddenly stricken by acute case of moronism. There is no excuse for B, none.

Please stop being apologetic for B as it makes him look stupid. And definitely he is not some unaware moron who does not know what he is thinking or doing by publicly attacking Covid skeptics including independent media like OFFG along lines of official propaganda while supporting technocratic dictate and autocratic draconian governments’ policies worldwide instead of usual harsh criticism of western policies.

The distrust to official institutions including science based authorities and institutions like OPCW, and Porton Downs labs was B’s main mantra. B was very skeptical of why first responders including military officials who were there, were not killed by supposed killer novichok nerve agent questioning official science and scientific authorities in Skripal case. B was always ready to question official science sound attitude he completely rejected in Covid case taking all medical institutional proclamation as gospel.

This is not simply a blind spot in regard of Covid this is massive political ideological reorientation and expose of his long lived authoritarian tendency. Before he used stealth and now open censorship of opinions and it shows in his recent political analyses as he does not take diverse opinions well.

True, MoA censorship is not only Covid related but aggressiveness of it is unprecedented. I was like many others stealthily banned by B not called publicly idiot but it was not because of Covid B’s blind spot but already in 2017 for my criticism of Putin policies in Donbas and his appeasement of holding on to today proven dead end Minsk agreement. He could not accept that there is no black and white world and hence People he praises in his blog may have not been all that perfect and in fact created new problems as they solved old ones and hence deep skepticism, not curiosity-free cultism, is always warranted.

B many times before showed his totalitarian bias unable to accept diverse opinions treating critics like ignorants unable to access his infinite wisdom. The MoA shameful response to Covid psychological warfare by joining official disinformation campaign however far exceed any acceptable behavior of any supposedly independent media.

There is no two ways about. Either he is a moron and he is not or he wittingly participates in Covid gaslighting propaganda effort. IQs never drop overnight and never makes independently thinking people’s selectively damn. Now MoA simply tries to defend its shattered poisoned by Covid credibility by doubling down on MSM lies. that’s all.

Tom Larsen
Tom Larsen
Sep 21, 2021 6:05 PM
Reply to  Kalen

Back in September of 2020 I had an hours long conversation with (former) activist friends about the New Normal. They were more than willing to smear as stupid, dangerous hacks (Nobel laureate) Michael Levitt and (the world’s most cited epidemiologist) Dr. John Ioannidis. They dismissed the “Bakersfield doctors” data and hypothesis saying that it was “wildly irresponsible of them to extrapolate their conclusions to the general population.” Of course, The Science ™ they defended had no data at all. They recommended to me MoA for the best Covid analysis. We haven’t talked since.

A website I used to regularly follow was the Grayzone. I stopped going there in March of 2020 as they seemed to be ignoring what could be called the greatest crime of ruling class imperialism in the history of the world. However, I am pleased to find that Max Blumenthal has had his “road to Damascus” moment on the Covidian Cult. Below is a link to an interview he recently did with CJ Hopkins.
 
https://odysee.com/@WinstonsWorld:a/GloboCap:0

Howard
Howard
Sep 20, 2021 3:47 PM

I don’t know. I think I could teach my dog calculus (if I knew it myself) sooner than I could cover a public intellectual’s blind spot so that it doesn’t drill holes in all his/her other pronouncements.

Take Chris Hedges. For years I followed his articles – I even allowed him his 911 blind spot. But when he developed an even bigger blind spot about COVID, I dumped him. How can I trust anything he opines if he refuses to acknowledge the two most obvious and most dangerous events in modern history?

Tom Larsen
Tom Larsen
Sep 21, 2021 6:19 PM
Reply to  Howard

Talk about pillars of the left crumbling before Covid: Chomsky, the anarchist jew has gone full blown fascist advocating for a fully segregated society with the unjabbed denied the ability to have a job or participate in society.

See at about minute 47:45
https://odysee.com/@WinstonsWorld:a/GloboCap:0

Edwige
Edwige
Sep 19, 2021 4:54 PM

Just watched ‘Why Korea’, a 30 minute piece by Fox (666 encode) made in 1950 to sell the Korean War. It was given an Oscar.

The film ends with a picture of the United Nations’ flag fluttering and the narrator barking “Let’s face facts – there is no alternative”.

Tom Larsen
Tom Larsen
Sep 22, 2021 3:32 PM
Reply to  Edwige

In an interview Daniel Ellsberg said that the real reason behind the Korean war was to keep the (even then) bloated aviation industry in the black.

Howard
Howard
Sep 19, 2021 3:53 PM

This article by Edward Curtin prompted something of a quandary in me.

There had to be a period at the end of World War II, however brief, between the time Japan made it clear it was prepared to surrender and the actual acceptance of that surrender.

This gave the US a pretext to drop the atomic bombs.

I wonder how many, if any, US soldiers may have died during this window of opportunity. All we’ve ever been told is that were it not for the gracious salvation offered by the bomb, countless US soldiers would have died.

Some have to have died during the fake war period. Are they not pretty much the same as the 9/11 victims who had to be sacrificed for the greater good of the empire?

someone
someone
Sep 19, 2021 5:53 PM
Reply to  Howard

The brief time was 7 months.

https://www.ihr.org/jhr/v16/v16n3p-4_Weber.html

The US delayed to allow soviet expansion to set the pretend cold war.

dr death
dr death
Sep 19, 2021 9:51 PM
Reply to  someone

indeed… like the so called ‘phony war’ (october 1939 to march 1940) in europe… before WW2, where the so called ‘belligerents’ (actors) got all their ducks in a row (preparing the ‘theatre’)….(locking up sensible establishment objectors… in britain alone over 400 and some of the military top brass)…

before the new concept of targeting civilians and ‘total war’ was approved by churchill…

game on…

the parallels with the covid psy-op really are astounding… quite possibly all of ‘history’ has been managed this way..

after all, you would never know would you ? ..

someone
someone
Sep 19, 2021 10:11 PM
Reply to  dr death

Sometime you come across signposts that point to more than you think.

You might not have come across this well reasoned thesis from an Edwardian classicist and church historian regarding his realisation of the management of history. He was just a bit stuck in his mislabeling as to who the actors really were and the continuation of the project.

https://archive.org/details/riseofenglishcul00johnrich

You can start to see the patterns echoing down from there to now.

dr death
dr death
Sep 20, 2021 8:35 PM
Reply to  someone

thanks for that… echoing patterns are always of interest..

someone
someone
Sep 20, 2021 10:37 PM
Reply to  dr death

After reading Edwin Johnson and one realises we do not even know what the year is and that history as we know was created by a single group pretending to be “benedictines” at the start of the print era, it sheds a whole new light on now and the obvious fact this has been going on a lot longer than anyone thinks.

A more systematic view of wider scientific and similar literary evidence is detailed in

https://archive.org/details/AnatolyFomenkoBooks

He has a good breakdown of the evidence in the first couple of books, but gets carried away a little with conjectures in the later ones.

As to what the real history actually is. Who knows?

Lysias
Lysias
Sep 20, 2021 3:19 PM
Reply to  Howard

Iwo Jima and Okinawa were in that time interval.

Juniper Bean
Juniper Bean
Sep 19, 2021 3:37 PM

What fills me with quiet, almost trudging despair, is the realisation that as we move now into the second half of our second year of this THING, vaccine passports and the ensuing QR coded open air prison that has been built around us has simply been accepted as normal. It’s almost as though the start of this whole narrative has faded into the mist, and now mostly been forgotten. And so we see that in the end, they were RIGHT; for it is this, THIS, that is the New Normal. An almost boring, anesthetized state of life.

Jos
Jos
Sep 19, 2021 4:34 PM
Reply to  Juniper Bean

‘An almost boring, anaesthetised state of life.’ Really? You think this is it?

Juniper Bean
Juniper Bean
Sep 19, 2021 6:59 PM
Reply to  Jos

sure hope not?

Rhisiart Gwilym
Rhisiart Gwilym
Sep 20, 2021 12:00 AM
Reply to  Jos

Sure isn’t ‘it’ yet. The Long Descent away from hi-techie-techie industrial ‘civilisation’ has a considerable way to go yet. We – the plebs’n’bourgeoisie – shall be kissing goodbye decisively to all the soft, over-stuffed life that, as members of the Pampered Twenty Percent of the Earth’s peoples, we have ‘enjoyed’ this past few decades. That’s all shrinking away inexorably as the Descent works itself out. Couple of centuries or so all told, I surmise, but much of it well completed by the end of this one.

The globalista gics (gangsters-in-charge) running the covid scam are waking up to this unavoidable reality, and are still trying to finesse an enforced arrangement whereby they – at around one percent of current population – get to continue with the Pampered One Percent life, whilst the rest of us are shoved by fraud and force into the enslaved-prole life; those of us who survive the gics’ dreamt-of mega-holocaust cull of surplus-to-requirement humans.

The damn’ fools still hallucinate the hope that they can survive the Long Descent pretty well unchanged, by means of a draconian application of what’s left of the techie-techie capabilities that have proliferated recently, during this brief interlude of late industrialism.

They won’t. But they’re still working through the Five Stages of Grief (or of Collapse) before they come to the final stage of resigned acceptance of the inevitable.

That’ll be ‘it’.

Meanwhile, the forethoughtful grass-roots survivalists will quietly develop, below the gics’ radar’, the new subsistence communities living life-on-the-land, which is the best hope for all of us. Especially after the gics’ attempted techie-techie fascistic dictatorships have crashed and burnt. Presumably during an orgy of uprising, civil war, and mass lynchings of all the gics who can be caught.

Stick resolutely to the determination to be mild, peaceable, forgiving and creative during all this mega-feck-up. Best way! 🙂

mgeo
mgeo
Sep 20, 2021 9:06 AM

Pampered Twenty Percent

I think about 80-90% – everyone outside genuine rural life including survivalists – is headed for trouble. Are the survivalists ready for subsistence? Who will teach them?

Judith
Judith
Sep 19, 2021 7:20 PM
Reply to  Juniper Bean

But aside from the new normal vaccine passports and qr codes is still the on-the-ground daily horrible existence of unvaxxed, unmasked existence.

I cannot visit a relative in from out of state because I am unvaxxed and will not wear a mask.

I cannot visit and care for a new little family member out of state because I am unvaxxed and will not wear a mask.

I payed a huge amount of money to have a theraputic massage in my home so I would not have to wear a mask in an establishment.

I cannot visit two friends because although they are both vaccinated they are immune compromised so even though I suggested meeting outside they still prefer to phone.

I turned down a lunch date with old friends because even while setting up the get together it was all about vaccines and masks and I did not have the energy to confront the situation and the horrified looks I would get. Not to mention the possibility of “Why didn’t you say something – I wouldn’t have attended”

I am not complaining, thought it sounds it, lol, just stating what life is like even without the passport and other such craziness. And it is my choice so I don’t get to whine.

I don’t care if I never get on a plane again but this day to day insanity challenges to the core.

And is anyone in the day to day predicament of being invited places and wondering if you should inform people you are not vaccinated? I do not think I should have to say anything (although I did to those I mentioned above because they are family members) but I envision a scene of someone asking me and me saying “No” and a hush falling over the room and how could I risk infecting someone and causing their imminent death.

Juniper Bean
Juniper Bean
Sep 19, 2021 8:20 PM
Reply to  Judith

i live in a country that has adopted vaccine passports for day to day life, including public transportation and gaining access to campuses of all sorts, from primary to uni and in between. So yes, the day to day aspect of it is pressing. Personally I avoid talking about it in social settings, and unless friends propose to actually check my digital QR code standing whilst sitting at a cafe etc, I tend to lie. Many of us have simply turned to lying on a daily basis. And to whispering between friends, and knowing who amongst us thinks “differently” etc.. And to using messenger apps that deviate from the standard ones, and are more secure. For anyone that grew up during Soviet Communist days, a lot of this is familiar; the global version 2.0 sort of.

Judith
Judith
Sep 20, 2021 1:05 AM
Reply to  Juniper Bean

Yes, it’s amazing, isn’t it?

I have two friends I can talk to about the situation. That’s it.

Well, as Peggy Hall says, there’s always a way.

Thanks for your reply. Good luck to you.

Juniper Bean
Juniper Bean
Sep 20, 2021 1:21 AM
Reply to  Judith

Good luck to you too darling.

Reset the Diaboligarchy
Reset the Diaboligarchy
Sep 20, 2021 9:50 AM
Reply to  Juniper Bean

Well, you’re still a little fortunate to be able to sit in a cafe… (now forbidden to me).

Juniper Bean
Juniper Bean
Sep 20, 2021 10:18 AM

For now, yes. Let’s see how long it lasts. I’ve heard talk that our “numbers are bad” (a phrase that makes chills run up my spine), and we might be heading into locked down weekends again. Which, if it happens, will wind up putting most cafes out of business anyway. You really can’t win in this system.

Arfur Mo
Arfur Mo
Sep 19, 2021 10:43 PM
Reply to  Judith

Just self-identify as Swedish or Danish.

Judith
Judith
Sep 20, 2021 1:10 AM
Reply to  Arfur Mo

No mandates there? No vaccines or passports?

I know about Sweden since the beginning, but thought they had cchanged their tune.

Clutching at straws
Clutching at straws
Sep 20, 2021 9:23 AM
Reply to  Judith

Judith

When this is all over (And it will be) Your ‘friends’ will act as if nothing ever happened.

They will say ‘yeah we had a few doubts too, never mind, let’s enjoy our new freedoms’

Our sacrifices will be forgotten.

I am willing to bet that a lot of cases of PTSD in returning soldiers is due to this feeling of giving everything for their country and then being snubbed.

You have the courage to do what you believe is right.

Stay strong and positive.

I’m going to buy a light box today!

Lizzyh7
Lizzyh7
Sep 19, 2021 8:17 PM
Reply to  Juniper Bean

The people who refuse to see what’s coming with these passports really truly think those of us who are trying to point out that reality are simply crazy. They think we are the brainwashed and some find our mindset terrifying – that whole fake news thing keeps on giving. The tone of voice of one of my friends when describing those who think, rightly so, this is a grand conspiracy was one of shock, like she was simply awed in a way that people would believe it. Never mind she does indeed see the lies we have all been raised on here in dumbed down America, somehow THIS escapes that scrutiny completely. The divide and conquer lies have worked exactly as intended. She and people of her ilk are indeed taking us into totalitarianism, but they still think the “problem” is those who see it coming. It fills me with despair as well, but since I usually react to seeming threats with anger there is also a lingering anger that never quite goes away.

Juniper Bean
Juniper Bean
Sep 20, 2021 7:54 AM
Reply to  Lizzyh7

I completely hear you. Yes on all those fronts. To my dying day, I will have a difficult time forgiving and forgetting those who thought *we* were the voices of insanity.

George Mc
George Mc
Sep 19, 2021 3:36 PM

One of my comments seems to now automatically go to the top every time I log in. There is a little symbol which reads “sticky comment thread”. How do I make this comment just recede like the rest?

George Mc
George Mc
Sep 19, 2021 3:33 PM

Off topic but I just read this great quote from one Ivan Illich:

“Most learning is not the result of instruction. It is rather the result of unhampered participation in a meaningful setting. Most people learn best by being “with it,” yet school makes them identify their personal, cognitive growth with elaborate planning and manipulation.”

What he’s saying is that learning has been neutered by being taken out of its natural everday context and put into a realm where it is “professionalised” and thereby rendered instrumental in accordance with someone else’s wishes. And so schoolchildren are taught not for their own benefit but in order to serve someone else.

Rhisiart Gwilym
Rhisiart Gwilym
Sep 20, 2021 12:07 AM
Reply to  George Mc

And most of the parents, who’ve also been through the same indoctrination mill, cooperate, thinking how lucky their children are to get this privilege!

JWK
JWK
Sep 19, 2021 3:24 PM

Power does not corrupt, but it does indeed attract sociopaths and psychopaths who are quite often very intelligent and charismatic, and so are often successful at taking over said power. In a word, your government is populated by the mentally ill and insane. Their every move is for the purpose of fulfilling their desires, and massaging their own egos. They will do whatever they think they can get away with to facilitate those moves, without limit. They not only don’t demonstrate the human virtues of sympathy, remorse, regret, empathy, sacrifice, charity, etc. they are incapable of them. They cannot experience them. They can and do use your experience of them to fulfill their desires, but none interferes with how well they sleep. They have no conscience.

Howard
Howard
Sep 19, 2021 4:45 PM
Reply to  JWK

Power does corrupt. Or, more precisely, power is the inevitable cement holding every system based on hierarchy together. There can be no hierarchic ordering of society without power. So it makes no difference who power attracts; they will be corrupted simply because it is the nature of power to corrupt.

George Mc
George Mc
Sep 19, 2021 3:16 PM

I hope OffG don’t think I am being cheeky here but I caught this excellent cautionary guide which they posted on their Twitter feed and thought I’d paste it in here:

1. Some of the Left “alternatives” prev endorsing the covid narrative to the hilt are starting to break ranks over parts of it now. This can be genuine but can also be a gatekeeper initiative to try to take back control of the oppositional argument.

2. The aim of gatekeeping is to replace wholesale questioning of the narrative with piecemeal quibbling that superficially looks like it’s challenging the narrative but is actually ultimately reinforcing it

3. Gatekeepers will win you over because you are so grateful that some ‘big’ account is agreeing with you even a little bit you don’t notice they are actually still endorsing 90% of the things you oppose

4. You will offer your support to a gatekeeper. Get caught in their slipstream & before you know it you are part of a campaign to LIMIT mandatory vax when previously you were opposed to ALL mandatory vax

5. You will sign a gatekeeper petition about lockdowns not working endorsed by a celeb & find you are now admitting covid is a dangerous new pathogen while previously you were pointing out it isn’t dangerous at all

6. If you endorse gatekeepers, thinking their fame will help your cause, you will end up telling their semi-truths and forgetting what you originally stood for – because they are cleverly handled & marketed to produce just that result

7. Of course not all latecomers & bandwagon-jumpers are gatekeepers. But an awful lot of them are.

8. If anyone wants to post good examples of textbook gatekeeper or ‘limited hangout’ positions, feel free to add here

wardropper
wardropper
Sep 19, 2021 2:36 PM

The funny thing about the ‘unspeakable’ these days, is that it is actually perfectly speakable.

We now talk about ‘evil’ as if it were a real thing, because it IS a real thing.

Mankind’s currently-fashionable adherence to Nietzsche’s “God is Dead” meme has left a gaping hole where human intelligence and philosophic thought used to exist, but, fortunately, God’s existence is in no way dependent upon Nietzsche’s opinion of it.

Along with the above-named fashion of course comes the tendency to harp on about the ‘lust for power’, which all priests and wise men have apparently always had, and to dismiss all that is ‘good’ as the result of systematic brainwashing by generations of religious freaks.

But what about the idea that this is, indeed, occasionally true, but not always…?

In the world as we know it, the sheep will probably always be sheep, but if human evolution is to head in a forward direction, those of us with the good fortune to have made it thus far on the human ladder are going to have to stay in touch with the concepts of ‘good’ and ‘evil’, and to be unafraid to speak about them.

George Mc
George Mc
Sep 19, 2021 2:31 PM

The economic squeeze seems to be tightening. Tesco’s have even more empty shelves. And whilst my autistic son was trying to find something worth buying amidst the depleting items, I checked out The Economist to find an article fretting on how to persuade the masses to take the lifesaving elixir. They’ve clearly researched it quite carefully since it seems that each country has a different objection to the holy potion. All of which skilful diversionary manoeuvring covers up the real question i.e. the (non)issue of covid itself. And whilst glancing glumly at the widening gaps on the shelves, and wondering how far it will go, the script of The Three Days of The Condor came back to me:   

“Turner: Boy, what is it with you people? You think not getting caught in a lie is the same thing as telling the truth?

Higgins: No. It’s simple economics. Today it’s oil, right? In ten or fifteen years, food. Plutonium. And maybe even sooner. Now, what do you think the people are gonna want us to do then?

Turner: Ask them.

Higgins: Not now — then! Ask ’em when they’re running out. Ask ’em when there’s no heat in their homes and they’re cold. Ask ’em when their engines stop. Ask ’em when people who have never known hunger start going hungry. You wanna know something? They won’t want us to ask ’em. They’ll just want us to get it for ’em!”

Howard
Howard
Sep 19, 2021 4:50 PM
Reply to  George Mc

This is the root cause of what is gingerly referred to as “the human flaw.” When push comes to shove, you can count on the fingers of one hand those who will not scream out “Take it from them!” And they will justify it by convincing themselves it’s BECAUSE someone else has it that they don’t.

strange
strange
Sep 19, 2021 12:55 PM

“repeat official declarations, utter hollow platitudes, and build analyses on false premises”

these practices prove the government is not a government but a REGIME, a despicable one at that!

please, everyone, use the word REGIME instead of government wherever you feel it is appropriate.

Howard
Howard
Sep 19, 2021 4:51 PM
Reply to  strange

Or Criminal Cabal.

strange
strange
Sep 19, 2021 12:33 PM

australia is an utter APARTHEID REGIME.

i can confidently tell you that the australians, after the humiliating defeat, took revenge on brown-skin people, on the most vulnerable migrants, and aborigines in the western suburbs in Sydney. the police and the army have unleashed humiliating tactics on residents under the pretense of enforcing health orders. they are yelling at people to get inside their homes from helicopters and adding trauma to the already traumatised. there are people who were forced to isolate for more than 5 weeks instead of the usual 2 weeks. why? they are blaming procedural errors!!

ALL the while, residents in well-off areas, by the hundreds and maybe thousands gathered on the beautiful beaches as if there was no Covid and no epidemic!!

australia is an utter APARTHEID REGIME.

Marilyn Shepherd
Marilyn Shepherd
Sep 19, 2021 1:27 PM
Reply to  strange

Well Australia officially invented apartheid with the white Australia policy that has never actually died.

strange
strange
Sep 19, 2021 1:35 PM

yes .. so this is not new. it has been happening since day one of the invasion! apparently they used to chop the natives’ heads for fun!

i am thinking, why we never heard anyone calling the place an Apartheid???!!!

Mr Perfect
Mr Perfect
Sep 20, 2021 6:18 AM
Reply to  strange

…or bash their heads in with rifle buts while on horseback as part of Sunday afternoon ”sport” on the Liverpool Plains of NSW– as my old paternal grandfather told me of my great-great grandfather

Jim McDonagh
Jim McDonagh
Sep 19, 2021 2:21 PM

Apartheid is and remains a South African form of slavery . Australia began as a prison colony for Irish petty crooks and malcontents that proceeded to eradicate the native people in a manner far more brutal than in the US as a price for their “freedom” and has now returned to being an outdoor prison camp despite or as a result opening its doors to an Asian influx. Read The Fatal Shore , by Robert Hughes

hotrod31
hotrod31
Sep 19, 2021 2:30 PM
Reply to  strange

I do think that it is more than ‘just’ Apartheid being practised … it’s more like a Totalitarian police state. The pollies and the police have totally overdosed on the power trips. Interestingly enough I don’t believe that any journalists have monitored if the same rules are being applied to the people at the US bases at Pine Gap or North-West Cape.

mgeo
mgeo
Sep 20, 2021 9:20 AM
Reply to  hotrod31

How they act on their own large base would not be much of an issue. But do Australian laws apply to them outside the base? If you are in doubt, look up the incidents of their crimes – not just breaking civil laws – in Philippines, Korea, Japan, etc. and the protests there by locals.

Juniper Bean
Juniper Bean
Sep 19, 2021 3:41 PM
Reply to  strange

What freaks me out where Australia is concerned is that I don’t know a single American who seems even SLIGHTLY aware of what is happening in Australia (or anywhere else for that matter…). But seriously, you’d think the state of affairs in Australia would warrant some concern in other lands, would you not?

strange
strange
Sep 19, 2021 4:01 PM
Reply to  Juniper Bean

“the state of affairs in Australia would warrant some concern in other lands”

warrants some concern .. or .. can be considered a Huge Success Story:

existing US milirary bases in australia are becoming officially US military bases. they are getting much larger. welcoming more prifessional killers, more hardware of death coming in including lovely bombers!

Juniper Bean
Juniper Bean
Sep 19, 2021 4:25 PM
Reply to  strange

sickening

Hsuan
Hsuan
Sep 19, 2021 4:40 PM
Reply to  Juniper Bean

In the U.S. the vast majority of people get their news exclusively from the corporate media. Any news outside of these channels is censored. Of course, lately the only news from Down Under is how the U.S. and Australia just gang-raped France using a nuclear submarine.

Judith
Judith
Sep 19, 2021 7:35 PM
Reply to  Juniper Bean

Well, it surely concerns me, and I would imagine it concerns many others who see this nightmare for what it is.

But, no, people in the USA have no idea what is going on in Australia. How could they?? Anthony Fauci isn’t talking about Australia. Joe Biden, Gavin Newsom, Nancy Pelosi, celebrities and mainstream media aren’t talking about Australia.

I only know what is going on in Australia because I read Offg everyday. (I’m in USA)

And as far as a lot of people in the USA, they would probably agree with the dictats in Australia.

Who knows – we in the USA may be eventually facing “and coming to a town near you….”

I am horrified at what is going on in Australia – and Canada and everywhere.

And sickened at the fact that, as usual, not everyone (i.e. money and power) is paying the price.

S Cooper
S Cooper
Sep 19, 2021 12:31 PM

911 was just another operation for the war racketeer corporate fascists to keep their welfare payments coming in.”

“To Hell with War! To with Langley-Land! To Hell with Corporate Fascism!”

Jim McDonagh
Jim McDonagh
Sep 19, 2021 2:25 PM
Reply to  S Cooper

9/11 was a revenge attack by Saudi jihadists that justified several successful international and domestic conspiracy’s , some still in motion.

Sophie - Admin1
Admin
Sophie - Admin1
Sep 19, 2021 6:34 PM
Reply to  Jim McDonagh

Do they dock your pay if the supervisor sees you let a ref to 9/11 go by without mentioning the Saudis? 😂

Rhisiart Gwilym
Rhisiart Gwilym
Sep 20, 2021 12:18 AM

Can I join you in that LOL, Sophie? I am anyway. Jim’s kneejerkery is such a laff! But it was either 77 or the Catering Corps. Not too good at either, I’m guessing…

S Cooper
S Cooper
Sep 19, 2021 10:25 PM
Reply to  Jim McDonagh

“Howdie pard! For those lonely moments down in the command bunker.”
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“Happy Trails.”

Hugh O'Neill
Hugh O'Neill
Sep 19, 2021 11:36 AM

My previous comment here was posting first….but still I must be in Spam Limbo. Bummer, because I thought it quite a good comment…(But I would, wouldn’t I?).

Howard
Howard
Sep 19, 2021 4:54 PM
Reply to  Hugh O'Neill

One absolute guarantee of taking a stroll through the spam maze is if you reply to someone who has been spammed. Apparently that marks you as an accomplice.

Hugh O'Neill
Hugh O'Neill
Sep 19, 2021 8:15 PM
Reply to  Howard

Thanks H. I had every hope that it was going to be the first comment on a virgin page, but it didn’t escape from spam until maybe 20 other comments were posted. The thread of narrative that a good comment can create loses all spontaneity and logic. I always hated spam as a kid and not even Monty Pythons Vikings sound alter that distaste…

Seansaighdeor
Seansaighdeor
Sep 19, 2021 10:49 AM

O/T – another alt-right supposedly independent media ‘activist’ shills for the vaccine after succumbing to the ‘virus’. Get vaccinated and wear a mask says Laura Loomer joining a long list of those now showing their true colours.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10004075/Right-wing-activist-Laura-Loomer-brutal-case-COVID-19-begs-people-pray-her.html

Seansaighdeor
Seansaighdeor
Sep 19, 2021 12:27 PM
Reply to  Seansaighdeor

I can’t edit the above as it looks like the article is a hatchet job between a media co Meidas Touch who appear to have a ‘quote’ attributed to Laura Loomer and the Mail who have repeated it and used it in the headline tag ‘Get vaccinated and wear a mask… says Laura Loomer’.

It seems she has never made this quote and it has been ‘added’ by Meidas Touch to a tweet she sent informing her followers she has covid. She also appears to confirm in other articles quoted directly that she will never get a vaccine because ‘they are dangerous and ineffective’.

Should have followed this up but it was early hours when I read this. Apologies to LL.

Simon Dutton
Simon Dutton
Sep 19, 2021 1:04 PM
Reply to  Seansaighdeor

The Daily Mail and Mail on Sunday are a cesspit. Best avoided for the sake of one’s psyche, like the BBC.

Seansaighdeor
Seansaighdeor
Sep 19, 2021 9:07 PM
Reply to  Simon Dutton

Agree but we can’t ignore what its says if only for situational awarenss.

Willem
Willem
Sep 19, 2021 10:32 AM

‘ This flood of opinionated outrage was very emotional and no doubt stirred deep feelings in readers.’

I disagree. Everything that I have read in the lamestream, alternative news, books and films about 911 and Afghanistan is best described as kitsch.

What comes closest to me about this event is that it was a non-event, and that the real misery 911 caused, and it did cause misery, went unreported as it was so for away from ‘the truth’ (as reported) that it couldn’t be reported.

The truth is: all the misery that came from 911 is unheroic, boring and self inflicted. No fun and games. No bread and circuses, but just a funnel of power, greed, hubris, weaknesses, cowardice and ridiculous story telling all over the place that, in hindsight (but also in foresight) is a total waste of time.

I almost agree with the Chomsky comment (who cares about 911), if it was not that Chomsky too made some ridiculous claims (instead of not caring) about 911 and therefore also fell in the self inflicted trap of telling bullshit and adhering to it.
.

George Mc
George Mc
Sep 19, 2021 10:12 AM

For fuck’s sake, what can you say?

https://www.nationalgeographic.co.uk/science-and-technology/2021/09/the-mu-variant-is-on-the-rise-scientists-weigh-in-on-how-much-to-worry

“The Mu variant is on the rise. Scientists weigh in on how much to worry.”

They are really taking the piss now!

And look at that photo! A woman wearing a face mask and a face shield! Well you’ll pardon me if I skip the viral replicating osmosis bifurcation yackety schmackety shit while I glance to see if “Mu” refers to the fabled lost continent (i.e. the Pacific version of Atlantis). Sadly I see it doesn’t. So there’s no reason to linger further here!

Thiekbalj
Thiekbalj
Sep 19, 2021 2:04 PM
Reply to  George Mc

I’m sure it’s been mentioned but I have been taking a break (deleted Telegram after a friend told about the ceo, a WEF ‘young leader’) but I was also hitting telegram and off g comment section at all hours on truth meth, it spun me into a relapse w alcohol, anyway 2 weeks later and going to aa mtgs (nomasques) my mind feels like the grand canyon and the patterns remain the same but this varreeaNt named Mu after the zen koan another example of the impoverished and barren perspective the winking and joking racketeers have of their inner lives. To my limited understanding zen koans and Mu in zen is from ‘the people’s’ perspective, grassroots. Places emphasis on simplicity and humility, an innate trait we all have, except TFIC; they have ‘everything’ but (obviously) can not achieve any kind of balance or perspective in their lives, and they simultaneously loathe and fear the people in general (eg Australia), so this sick joke of a circus, and their many jokes, spells with language and names, and number combinations (33, 666 etc) indicate their ‘winking’ chuckling thinking their so smart etc, whatever they’re doing constantly to control the people is having the opposite effect. Many examples of this around coronacircus from every corner of the world.

Naming: applying simple truth of ‘mu’ to a genocidal greed filled pursuit the 0.0000001 or 3000 billionaires is the total inversion of the koans purpose to disorientate and dislodge the calculating ego mind to a broader perspective that’s content with things as they are and we know our lEaDeRs are incapable of that

gorden
gorden
Sep 19, 2021 3:57 PM
Reply to  George Mc

covid klf variant of mu
mu
it is justified it is not new
but ancient
and it is transmitted from
an ice cream van

mgeo
mgeo
Sep 20, 2021 9:26 AM
Reply to  George Mc

Compared to double-masking, a shield over a mask is almost sane.

Johnny
Johnny
Sep 19, 2021 9:57 AM

Those pseudo Lefties/Socialists are members of the $mug middle cla$$.
They want to have their carrot cake and eat it too.
They preach Green austerity but don’t practice it.
They jet around the world.
They have investment portfolios.
They lust after celebrity status.
They send their heirs to private schools.
They drive expensive ‘Green’ cars.
They never socialise with the plebs.
They dine in upmarket restaurants.
They imbibe expensive organic wines.
They vote for the Green (Neo Capitalist) parties.
They vaccinate.
They don’t do anything that would undermine their oh so comfortable lifestyle.
Did I miss any?

May Hem
May Hem
Sep 19, 2021 10:07 AM
Reply to  Johnny

They are probably double-jabbed and have thus made themselves an endangered species.

Paul Vonharnish
Paul Vonharnish
Sep 19, 2021 4:08 PM
Reply to  Johnny

“They” are the same as the rest of us. “They” wake up in the morning with bad breath and a belly full of pee. They’ll die, just like the rest of us. They’ll own nothing, because they’re dead…

Rhisiart Gwilym
Rhisiart Gwilym
Sep 20, 2021 12:26 AM
Reply to  Johnny

They’re technocrats from the Universities’ mass-production sausage-machine. (Full disclosure: So am I; but the technocrat injection didn’t take.)

Clutching at straws
Clutching at straws
Sep 19, 2021 9:28 AM

The rolling of eyes when you talk about CIA involvement.

Close friends, whilst on the same page, refuse to believe that a government would kill it’s own people.

I point at that declaring war is, effectively, condemning at least some of your countrymen to death.

At which point they will say ‘But that’s for the good of the country.’

Nothing has changed.

Psychology has been used for millennia to control but never before has it been used to attempt the total enslavement of the human race.

What can we learn from 9/11 etc that might help us?

Plans as complicated as 9/11 and the current one have an Achilles heel.

We know that 9/11 was planned.

Some still believe the narrative.

It is the proportion of the awake to the asleep that is important.

They have already made mistakes and will make more.

Pointing out the mistakes is the key to awakening people.

I read an interesting article on revolution.

The percentage needed for a revolution is 25%.

24% won’t cut it. It has to be 25%

In Uk, we are told 80 – 90% are jabbed.

THAT DOESN’T MEAN THEY’RE STILL ASLEEP!

Many of those will have assumed it was a proper vaccine.Many will have taken it out of ignorance. Many will have taken it because of peer pressure or coercion from employers.

IT DOESN’T MEAN THEY ARE LOST FROM THE CAUSE

Edwige
Edwige
Sep 19, 2021 10:02 AM

“a government would kill it’s own people.”

It’s not so much that this idea is the problem in itself – it’s that the public have been given one understanding of “its own people” and those in power operate by another. “Own people” are sharers of the same belief system. Nationality doesn’t come into it, profanity does.

Howard
Howard
Sep 19, 2021 5:06 PM
Reply to  Edwige

We all use the word – in fact, you can’t say certain things without using the word.

That all embracing word is “own” – its own people, they’re own kids, his own self.

When we say “his own self” we clearly understand the meaning of “own.” Yet somehow when we say “its own people” the meaning escapes us. Mere coincidence?

Brianborou
Brianborou
Sep 19, 2021 1:02 PM

When the medium and long term affects from the experimental gene therapy “ vaccines “ starts to manifest itself in much more significant numbers, naturally the rats pack of Satanists little helpers will try to blame the unclotshoted, those who refused to accept the truth will be confronted with by the evidence of their own eyes.

The penny will drop and the realisation they have been taken for mugs will sink in.

For the zealots, and I have met a number since the Scamdemic began, no amount of evidence will convince the true believers as my partner’s son said to when he wouldn’t shake my hand “ you are not a believer” to which I replied one of many because I know this to be true by the demonstrations against the nonsense plus those I have met. In the coming years it will increase many fold.

The rats pack of Satanists know this hence why they are becoming frantic to inject the clotshots into the maximum amount number as possible with the maximum number of boosters deathshots/ sterilisation/ severe adverse reactions.

Cyndee J
Cyndee J
Sep 19, 2021 2:37 PM

My neighbors have an Eagle Scout son who is a freshman at the university of Illinois. Vaccine is mandated for students. This brave young man is refusing while working out an exemption.

But more importantly and courageously he spends his free time passing out exemption forms on campus. Says more than a 100 forms a day are printed and handed out to other students who are fighting the mandated inoculation(s).

He says a number of students stop by his stand to tell him they felt tricked or trapped into getting shots and are very sorry they submitted.

Hope?

Clutching at straws
Clutching at straws
Sep 19, 2021 4:33 PM
Reply to  Cyndee J

Kudos to your neighbour’s son.

The last thing in Pandora’s box was hope.

We are not that far gone yet as we have reason and science on our side.

Marilyn Shepherd
Marilyn Shepherd
Sep 19, 2021 8:53 AM

Being old enough to remember Nam and being an early protestor because of conscription in Australia – I was 12 in 1965 – I called false flag on 911 and said CIA as I watched it happen. Not a single thing has changed my mind in the last 20 years.

Hugh O'Neill
Hugh O'Neill
Sep 19, 2021 8:39 AM

Bravo, Edward. Profound wisdom delivered with both precision and passion. In keeping with the OffG theme of linking 9/11 to the current dystopia of Covid 19, a very simple test came to mind: if anyone dares again to justify my refusal to take the vaccine, I simply ask then; “How many towers fell on 9/11?”. This surely ought to be the Litmus Test. If they answer “Two” then Ground Zero opens up and swallows them. ON the slim chance that answer “Three” then you might have an interesting conversation…

Jim McDonagh
Jim McDonagh
Sep 19, 2021 2:36 PM
Reply to  Hugh O'Neill

This article is just more bullshit using the same false premise as fact basis.

Sonny-Raye Hayes
Sonny-Raye Hayes
Sep 19, 2021 8:38 AM

Hear! Hear! You and I speak the same language. You are the first I’ve known to point out that the contrived term, “9-11”, is propaganda. It is difficult to discuss issues if one uses the terms that seem to justify the very thing you are trying to reveal. I invent my one language and terms that call a spade a space … no more euphemisms for the unspeakable!
thank you…
Good on ya!
Sonny Raye

JustANumbersGuy
JustANumbersGuy
Sep 19, 2021 8:50 AM

It’s not only propaganda, it also has numerological (a language of symbols and signs) significance for the initiates, but not for the profane.

Esoteric vs. Exoteric.
The truth hiding in plain sight.
The hidden hand.

Ordo ab Chao

JustANumbersGuy
JustANumbersGuy
Sep 19, 2021 8:55 AM

Note the design for the 16th Tarot card “The Tower”

Cyndee J
Cyndee J
Sep 19, 2021 2:40 PM

Ordo ab Chao almost unbelievably these words were tattooed on the chest of George Floyd.

Like a case of you can’t make it up.

Edwige
Edwige
Sep 19, 2021 9:58 AM

“the contrived term, “9-11”, is propaganda.”

They can literally put the numerological stamp on the event’s title and still some people will claim numerology isn’t real, it’s all just a coincidence, you’re seeing things that aren’t there, it doesn’t prove anything etc etc.

That’s despite the other blatant numerology on the day (like the Twin Towers themselves being a giant 11 most obviously)…. they can repeat the trick on 7/7 and tie the two together through using one of the flight numbers… it’s still just a coicidence.

Oh, but 9/11 was used because it’s the US emergency number. Indeed, but why is it the US emergency number? Why is 999 the UK emergency number?

There are two main types of numerology – the meaning of numbers in the Occult and gematria derived by Kabbalists and Freemasons. Both had to communicate in code in the past, hence their development of such systems (and their continuing love of codes). 9/11 was the former combining the Occult numbers for magic and power.

Xavier
Xavier
Sep 19, 2021 2:19 PM
Reply to  Edwige

Moreover, you can find that there’s a tower for each day/planet of the week:

WTC1: Sunday – Sun
WTC2: Saturday – Blazing star
WTC3: Friday – Venus
WTC4: Thursday – Jupiter
WTC5: Wednesday – Mercury
WTC6: Tuesday – Mars
WTC7: Monday – Moon

Eventually, you’ll find out why the weekend (11) is special.

The three towers that were ‘pulled’ correspond to the three towers of Freemasonry.

Judith
Judith
Sep 19, 2021 10:30 PM
Reply to  Xavier

Which leads me to a question – what happened to bldngs 3,4,5,6

I know one was a Sheraton Hotel – did people get out?

One was the Custom’s House I think? with the gold?

I have only seen the photo of the crater of bldng 6.

I have never read or heard anyone speak about the other buildings.

I have never seen photos of them.

Can anyone elucidate?

JustANumbersGuy
JustANumbersGuy
Sep 19, 2021 9:18 PM
Reply to  Edwige

Probably some kind of occult ritual for those of limited imagination.

I mean these creatures look up to crowley. Have you read any of his stuff?
Childlike masturbation fantasy anyone?

Literal (literally) garbage

Oh yeah he was a spook too.
Who would guess??????