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Patreon has ‘suspended’ our page

Pictured: The head of Patreon’s “trust and safety” team

In that great seasonal tradition of good will to all men embodied by Ebenezer Scrooge, Patreon has shut us down three days before Christmas Eve for ‘breaching their community guidelines’

You may think ‘breaching community guidelines’ means telling the unacceptable truth about the COVID19 scam and drawing attention to the global fascist rollout being ushered in on the back of said scam…and you’d be right.

They don’t phrase it that way, of course, but the email from a member of their not-at-all-creepy “Trust and Safety team” is pretty frank:

Following our policy update concerning medical misinformation, Patreon can no longer support accounts that repeatedly use unfounded or debunked theories to argue against broadly supported public health measures on COVID-19.

They don’t specify which of our articles have been deemed “unfounded”, or detail how they have been “debunked”, and we’re not inclined to ask.

Let’s be real, there’s no chance in hell of arguing the suspension away, and we’ve all got better things to do than bandy words with the myopic puppets who turn their hand to censorship.

There’s some good news though, we may be able to keep the page up…

In order to bring your page back within our guidelines, kindly review and remove any and all content that advances COVID-19 medical misinformation. Since our guidelines extend to any projects that you fund via Patreon, this means that online content linked to your creator page is subject to our guidelines.

So there you go, all we have to do in order to continue to fund our website…is delete our website. Merry Christmas!

We’ll be looking in to other funding platforms in the new year, and we can still be supported – for now – through PayPal, BitCoin and LiberaPay.

Thanks to all of you who have been our Patrons over the years. Every little bit helps us to keep the lights on here.

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PBerry
PBerry
Dec 29, 2021 11:28 PM

I have stopped all use of Patreon and reached out to those I support asking for other means by which I can financially support them. Further, I have shared the reason I am no longer willing to work with Patreon citing your recent experience.

Edward
Edward
Dec 27, 2021 8:32 AM

Maybe you can write them back saying you have remoged all information that falls under misinformation and if they can kindly put your website back on. And ask them to specify if they find any information left that they can debunk.

Pete
Pete
Dec 26, 2021 9:59 PM

I’m proud to have been a Patreon supporter of OffGuardian since I discovered you at the beginning of the Covid hoax. I look forward to moving my subscription payments over to whatever new platform you can arrange. FWIW, I do pay one of my alt-media subscriptions directly into the UK bank account of the content creator. It by-passes everything.

As an aside, all the money in monthly donations which I used to give to orthodox charities (Oxfam, Crisis, Amnesty, Help the Aged to name but a few) were all cancelled with the onset of the Covid hoax, when I was triggered into seeing the world as it really is (instead of ignoring some of the uncomfortable bits). It is all now diverted to “new” or “alt” media instead. The likes of yourselves, UK Column, James Corbett, The Delingpod, Amazing Polly, The Observation Deck & Ickonic paid monthly and plenty of other worthy causes (including many crowd-funders for legal fights etc.) on an ad-hoc basis. I’ve been badly affected, financially speaking, by Covid, but I’ve kept the same levels of payments up (if not more) as I previously donated to the false money-grabbing charities. My job goes back to full pay (from 63% for the past 20 months) in Jan; I will do even more then, when I am no longer constrained by a ‘survival’ income (which I accept is relative, and that about 7 billion people around the world would probably love to have my financial problems – but the mortgage and debts had to be paid regardless).

SEAN RYAN
SEAN RYAN
Dec 24, 2021 3:32 PM

The “Liberal” (i.e. from the Latin Liber, meaning free) 19th-20th century Writer, Educator, Philosopher and true Polymath Bertrand Russell, in a piece entitled “The Ten Commandments that, as a teacher, I should wish to promulgate, might be set forth as follows…“, wrote:

6: Do not use power to suppress opinions you think pernicious, for if you do the opinions will suppress you.

7: Do not fear to be eccentric in opinion, for every opinion now accepted was once eccentric.

I believe it’s often best to stick to one’s values & ideologies, than succumb to pressures to conform, even under threat of censorship, duress, and other such actions.
But above all, maintaining regard for all views & opinions is often the best path towards true justice and true knowledge.
No one is omniscient. And “ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge” (Charles Darwin), and we can only continue learning as long as we continuing considering other, even opposing, viewpoints.

In the words of ancient Roman Statesman, and staunch defender of true “Liberalism” (i.e. freedom) and true Republicanism (i.e. sovereignty and the right to self-rule) Cicero:
The one who engages in conversation, should not
debar others from participating in it, as if he were entering upon a
private monopoly; but, as in other things, so in a general conversation
he should think it not unfair for each to have his turn.

The art of reasonable, civil and intelligent oratory is all but dead in contemporary society.
Killed by daggers wielded by many on both the “left” and “right”.

It’s been reported that some 13-17 Signers of the Declaration of Independence risked all, with many losing all, in their choice to defend freedom & liberty, at the hands of the corrupted, oppressive British government (that British government being corrupted via undue influence & control by the wealthy Elite of the day, an Elite whom exercised control over some 24 percent of the entire population of the world, via global commercial colonialism) .

The quest for freedom & liberty is often paved with extreme difficulties.
The continued preservation of those freedoms & liberties is often a constant struggle.

He who dares not offend cannot be honest.

Let them call me rebel and welcome, I feel no concern from it; but I should suffer the misery of devils, were I to make a whore of my soul by swearing allegiance to one whose character is that of a sottish, stupid, stubborn, worthless, brutish man.

Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom, must, like men, undergo the fatigues of supporting it.

Whatever is my right as a man is also the right of another; and it becomes my duty to guarantee as well as to possess.

John Ervin
John Ervin
Dec 23, 2021 10:10 PM

The portrait of cheer at the top of the article only needs to be greenwashed like an age-enhanced Jim Carrey, to be properly color-coordinated. Like the Grinch, who has been hovering over this Christmas just like the cancelled Christmas of yesteryear. Just like a green Fauci, ready to pounce any moment at the next slightest “surge”.

When they opened our gym in June, I told the manager, “Don’t worry, they’ll strike again in December.”

He said without a beat missed, “I bet.”

JAMES
JAMES
Dec 23, 2021 4:28 PM

I suggest that Off-G provide us with other ways to contribute My PyaPal account would not process the donation that I just tried to send: I managed to give a SINGLE payment of 10 euros via LiberaPay, instead to the monthly payments I was making: Plus they run the payment through PayPal: So, a, bit, confused

Sam - Admin2
Admin
Sam - Admin2
Dec 23, 2021 4:58 PM
Reply to  JAMES

Thank you for your contribution! We are currently looking into alternative platforms. This is firmly in hand. I do apologise if you can’t schedule payments though liberapay. They are specifically a ‘recurrent donations platform’ so I wonder if there hasn’t been a hiccough somewhere?! Please try to follow their tutorials exactly and do report back. Helping us troubleshoot such issues would be a wonderful contribution in itself. Thanks! A2

This Hideous Replica
This Hideous Replica
Dec 23, 2021 7:44 PM
Reply to  Sam - Admin2

I refuse to use PayPal (which LiberaPay also seems to use), so why not just give us your IBAN? Then I could just transfer the money straight to your account, no middle-men except the banks, of course.

Jas
Jas
Dec 24, 2021 5:37 AM

makes sense

Tony Maroni
Tony Maroni
Dec 23, 2021 9:00 PM
Reply to  Sam - Admin2

Off-G should also consider PP doing the same thing as Patreon in the coming weeks / months. They have form in wrecking small and medium businesses, and ruining the lives of individuals. Jump before you’re pushed is all I’m suggesting.

banana
banana
Dec 23, 2021 12:43 PM

Patreon/paypal have been censoring for a while now, I see BTC/physical the only option.
The http only 1997 style websites seem to be the way forward  😂 

John Goss
John Goss
Dec 23, 2021 11:09 AM

I’ve just put this up on my blog. I am calling for artists and creative people to come off Patreon.

https://johnplatinumgoss.com/2021/12/23/patreon-mass-exit-called-for/

And the only way to get this message out is to spread it far and wide. Thanks.

TBM girl
TBM girl
Dec 23, 2021 7:45 AM

Has anyone else noticed that there has been an inrush of comments on this article kind of discouraging people from supporting OG and hinting or even saying they deserve to be defunded? Hmm…wonder where those guys come from!!

Arne Graaf
Arne Graaf
Dec 23, 2021 7:55 AM
Reply to  TBM girl

Yes. I wondered at it myself, but naively never thought of it to be malign until you said it! We see people saying “I used one time to support them but…”. How underhand. Well I will support them now for that and for the good work they do!

Sam - Admin2
Admin
Sam - Admin2
Dec 23, 2021 8:05 PM
Reply to  TBM girl

Yes, it’s no new thing from our perspective. There’s a small force waiting to mobilise with undermining comments, who are so inexplicably and bitterly motivated to disparage OffG on such a range of topics, yet so united in purpose, it makes one wonder, can this be organic? A2

Tony Maroni
Tony Maroni
Dec 23, 2021 9:02 PM
Reply to  TBM girl

Yes. And many familiar names haven’t been seen in a couple of days. I guess they’re having an kind of office victory celebration. Assholes.

jimbo
jimbo
Dec 23, 2021 6:13 AM

like the matrix they’re pullin the plugs sharpen the spears or u iz finished

Howard
Howard
Dec 23, 2021 3:08 AM

It’s a bit surprising that anyone would be surprised with Patreon suspending Off-Guardian’s account. For quite some time – well before COVID became the deciding factor – Patreon was suspending or threatening to suspend the accounts of those whose ideas went contrary to the official media talking points.

I recall Kyle Kulinski, Jimmy Dore and others being threatened by Patreon – after they ceased being “Monetized” by You Tube and asked their supporters to start using Patreon.

Everyone keeps talking about the bankers and how they rule the roost. Well, isn’t Patreon a kind of banking system too? Gee, who would ever have thought they’d take people’s money and decide how it should or shouldn’t be used?

rob2
rob2
Dec 23, 2021 1:48 AM

Here’s a different kind of post from Steve Kirsch. Is this real or rumor?

A good reason to wear a mask when you visit a dentist in the UK
https://stevekirsch.substack.com/p/a-good-reason-to-wear-a-mask-when

Penelope
Penelope
Dec 23, 2021 11:26 AM
Reply to  rob2

Appears to be real; was reported on both Mercola & Childrens Defense Fund,.

Orthus
Orthus
Dec 23, 2021 12:01 PM
Reply to  Penelope

Must be true.

Tony Maroni
Tony Maroni
Dec 23, 2021 9:04 PM
Reply to  rob2

I posted this yesterday and it’s still unconfirmed.

rob2
rob2
Dec 23, 2021 9:31 PM
Reply to  Tony Maroni

Ha! Like minds! A couple comments under Kirsch’s post said they couldn’t find the Telegram campaign or any such person (I don’t use that platform or any of the others). I dunno…posting a reader’s email to such a large audience without a shred of evidence – just odd, imo.

Now if there really is such a man being held as described, the story needs to be proved and reported then shouted from the roof-tops.

rubberheid
rubberheid
Dec 22, 2021 11:33 PM

mmm, this site is actually toxic. starting to see through it and it’s players now. quite saddened. : (

you fucking cunts all.

Johnny
Johnny
Dec 23, 2021 3:26 AM
Reply to  rubberheid

Pity your Dad didn’t use rubbers.

wardropper
wardropper
Dec 23, 2021 3:40 PM
Reply to  Johnny

⬆︎

rubberheid
rubberheid
Dec 23, 2021 7:43 PM
Reply to  wardropper

on ye go misery guts, just jump into the lava, …. remember?…. there it is, exactly what i mean about something wrong with the OG “gang”… just another tribe of predatory next gen sheep. ffs.
this ruins much.

George Mc
George Mc
Dec 23, 2021 8:07 AM
Reply to  rubberheid

Ah Robbobobin’s alter-ego.

rubberheid
rubberheid
Dec 23, 2021 8:00 PM
Reply to  George Mc

you often give me a chuckle Geo so you’ll keep yer knapp, indeed every damning poster but ?johnny? i generally enjoy, indeed concur.

so what an interesting wee foray ‘has been. … cunts? pack thugs? mmmmm.. the point exactly.

who’s robbobobbin? roboboespierre? who fucking cares.

; )

Figleaf23
Figleaf23
Dec 25, 2021 5:48 AM
Reply to  rubberheid

I guess the Integrity Initiative allows moonlighting.

gordan
gordan
Dec 23, 2021 11:54 AM
Reply to  rubberheid

tell us about your childhood
when i say the word mother
how does it make you feel?

rubberheid
rubberheid
Dec 23, 2021 7:46 PM
Reply to  gordan

really? : /

ffs bard, ye ruined all them + now.

kent.

rubberheid
rubberheid
Dec 23, 2021 7:53 PM
Reply to  rubberheid

i was gonna apologise for this wildly general remark, then i saw the responses and looked out my mattock,

and sharpened it.

it sings to me.

Dante
Dante
Dec 23, 2021 9:10 PM
Reply to  rubberheid

Sugi poola zdreanto!
Translate that u f. idiot!

rubberheid
rubberheid
Dec 23, 2021 9:48 PM
Reply to  Dante

spaceba

Mister Bump
Mister Bump
Dec 22, 2021 10:56 PM

The internet is dying. All those years we were worried about net nutrality, and in the end they just smashed up anything they didnt like and issued a notice of f*ck off and die. At least the great firewall of china had technical class.

wardropper
wardropper
Dec 22, 2021 11:08 PM
Reply to  Mister Bump

I hadn’t noticed any death throes yet.

What I always liked about the ‘net was the ability to look things up, and that hasn’t essentially changed.

Like any of the devil’s work, the truth is mixed in with lies to confuse us, but that is just another of life’s normal challenges.
After all, it’s good for us to do some thorough homework on subjects which interest us.

rubberheid
rubberheid
Dec 22, 2021 11:36 PM
Reply to  wardropper

but the finterbet is certainly dying in a sense, ye cannot get a coherent search response most of time now compared to past days. what throes are you missing?

wardropper
wardropper
Dec 23, 2021 3:33 PM
Reply to  rubberheid

It’s just the fact that I can still look up many things that are useful to me.
All of us can do that.
As Howard says, even Wikipedia has its place, and there is actually lots of first-rate material available there for my particular field of work in music.

rubberheid
rubberheid
Dec 23, 2021 8:11 PM
Reply to  wardropper

aye, agreed, i can stil generally find stuff of specific interest, but i mean more the way the everyday internet is a guidance module (not manual).

and generally search results are pish, constantly lead to… not what was first few pages a decade or so back.

fuck it all.

Jas
Jas
Dec 24, 2021 5:45 AM
Reply to  rubberheid

do you remember years ago, you would have been able to search for ‘fake covid pass’ on Google ,and pages of vendors would have come up eager to sell you a pass -those were the days,thats whats missing now really-the kids won’t miss it maybe as they have never seen it

Howard
Howard
Dec 23, 2021 3:21 AM
Reply to  wardropper

Even Wikipedia has its place. It’s my go-to site for geographical data as well as blurbs about movies or even astronomy.

But I have to agree that the net is in its death throes. I’m fairly new to the net and not very computer savy; but even I can recall a time when a search generally produced fairly accurate results.

But now, everything is commerce related. I was searching for the meaning of the phrase “Old Sidewinder’s Well” to see if it meant a poisoned water hole or one frequented by Sidewinder snakes. All I got was a list of companies which either sold boats or joysticks – both potentially deadly, I suppose.

Victor G.
Victor G.
Dec 23, 2021 1:59 PM
Reply to  Howard

Purge your history, preferences, and cookies.
Use multiple browsers.
There are browsers that will blow up all this data at a mere click. It’s a delight to watch the cartoon flames burn across one’s screen.
N.I., Natural intelligence … the antidote

wardropper
wardropper
Dec 23, 2021 3:38 PM
Reply to  Victor G.

⬆︎
Of course it’s a pain to have to do it, but there are still ways of making the ‘net work for you.
I suppose I’ll have to admit it’s dead when it is declared illegal by Neil Ferguson or some other influential lunatic.

Ron Ronery
Ron Ronery
Dec 22, 2021 10:38 PM

One very big part of this “scam-demic” agenda is “social re-engineering”. The obvious are to leave home with a mask, to fear other people and wear a mask, to not gather in groups (even animals in the wild do this freely), to go shopping in a mask, to fear pathogens and illness (mostly a result of poor nutrition/lifestyle), to accept “big pharma” as a temporary booster shot savior and the biggest, yet not so obvious to all, is allowing “censorship” as common practice. In the last 2 years, “censorship” has become common everywhere and almost everyone accepts it without question or debate. Government is not the problem. BAD government is and the Western industrialized governments are ALL corrupt.

Teresa L
Teresa L
Dec 22, 2021 9:13 PM

You’d best look into using GabPay in the near future- will be activated in 2022. Founder of Gab, Andrew Torba, is a conservative, but also a true free speech supporter, building a parallel economy and culture to the dead and decaying demoralizing one we now live in. Who knows how much longer PayPal & the rest will allow you all to use their services. You ALSO need to look into opening an account on Gab.

wardropper
wardropper
Dec 22, 2021 10:53 PM
Reply to  Teresa L

What is “a conservative, who is also a true free speech supporter” today?
I haven’t seen one for sixty years.

Fun fact: Andrew Torba is an anagram of Warden Borat… could that be a “gatekeeping-lunatic” clue?

Don’t get me wrong: I very much like the idea of GabPay, and I will investigate further.
But one has to watch the company one keeps. Goering & Co were shrewd men, but that doesn’t mean it was safe to hang around them.

Ian Bell
Ian Bell
Dec 22, 2021 8:43 PM

I make a monthly $10 contribution to OffG. Consider this my first rant, I am paying for it.

To much talk and chatter. To all people, stop complaining and bitching about how bad covid is. Focus on proposing, discussing, organizing and engaging in action to fight against and defeat the covid fraud. Unite the street or fall!

Ian Bell
Montreal, Canada
http://www.virusfraud.org

Sam - Admin2
Admin
Sam - Admin2
Dec 22, 2021 8:57 PM
Reply to  Ian Bell

Thanks for your contribution and for your input. Welcome to the comments section 😊 A2

wardropper
wardropper
Dec 22, 2021 10:59 PM
Reply to  Ian Bell

I have to say that most of us here shrug off the covid fantasy for the piffle it truly is, but you are right to urge everyone to focus on solutions.

Welcome to one of the world’s few sanity-saving sites.

Guy
Guy
Dec 22, 2021 8:03 PM

I will be monitoring this closely and if all fails ,I will make a donation to cover the year ,total of monthly Patreon to OffG .Come to think of it I might do the same for all the organizations I support monthly and to HELL with Patreon .

Tony_0pmoc
Tony_0pmoc
Dec 22, 2021 7:18 PM

Since this shit started, I have done everything I can subtley, and not so subtley do to try and convince, particularly people I personally know (including a lot of friends on Facebook), about what I was convinced was going on.

I did the same after 9/11

No one Believed Me.

I have had a little bit more success with COVID.

My wife and kid have not been jabbed and won’t be.

I was in the pub on Saturday night, and my mate asked me…

Why have you stopped posting on Facebook, and gave me a Massive Hug.

So yesterday, I got this Text on my Phone. I didn’t even click on it to read it. In fact I switched my phone off.

God knows why. I have spent the last year, occasionally if she texts me, to plead with my EX from 42 years ago to not get Jabbed.

She got her Booster Yesterday.

I don’t how to reply.

Thank God, She told me To Fuck Off 42 years ago

I thought she was Bright.

Tony

wardropper
wardropper
Dec 22, 2021 11:04 PM
Reply to  Tony_0pmoc

You are definitely two people, Tony.

You should get that seen to.

fame
fame
Dec 22, 2021 7:17 PM

a well put together update from Israel.
https://rumble.com/vqwp0f-update-from-israel-efrat-fenigson-dec.-16th-2021.html?mref=viwjn&mc=40rwc
key points
*gov’t says masks only to educate people not anything else.(tell lies to “save” people)
*only 45% of the population has a slave pass
*55% threatened with lockdown
*childhood vaccine campaign flops only 10% of children stabbed (10% too many)
*abusive gov’t constant threats and violence (shown in video below)
https://twitter.com/akheriaty/status/1473502886344617986?s=20

banana
banana
Dec 23, 2021 12:45 PM
Reply to  fame

thanks

Loverat 8
Loverat 8
Dec 22, 2021 6:06 PM

What days we live in. Patreon for me was a pretty easy way to contribute. I’ll look up the other methods and any delay in me getting set up will be reflected in increased contributions. Off G has been a shining light on the truth. It is very professional. A couple of grouchy admins but adds to the experience.

You know, I think you should have Kit Knightly being interviewed as last year. Catte and Sophie might be a little too scary for now. Seriously, you are all good and have the wicked sense of humour I like.

God bless.

juno
juno
Dec 22, 2021 6:00 PM

I’ve warned people that capitulation to censorship is useless, they will still cut you out. Welcome to what’s been happening to gender critical blogs and boards for a few years now. Must starve out wrongthink don’t you know.

Paul
Paul
Dec 22, 2021 5:36 PM

I’ve seen plenty of unfounded and debunked info on here. Often I get blocked from your forum for doing so……….

Unsure why you guys want to slow down the fight for this pandemic by steering at vaccines when you know perfectly well, that although not perfect, they reduce illness and hospitalizations, particularly to vulnerable/aged persons.

People read your articles, like my friend, mesmerised into thinking he shouldn’t take vaccine and it’ll kill everyone that has it (good evening Margaret Keenan btw), yet there isn’t one reference on your website that supports their full withdrawal 🤔🤷‍♂️. Bad form guys…..

Regards
Paul

Sam - Admin2
Admin
Sam - Admin2
Dec 22, 2021 6:57 PM
Reply to  Paul

The ‘vaccines’ haven’t passed the peer-review process of the very science you claim to espouse, therefore you have no grounds on which to base these assumptions.

There are many reports of adverse reactions, which aren’t being collated into any sort of risk assessment, even as these jabs are being forced on populations globally.

There isn’t one reference you could possibly dig up to support their full advocacy, especially since you have no time machine.

There is no statistical justification for a coercive vaccine rollout.

Even if your false assertions regarding our unsourced statements are correct (which they categorically are not), the principle of erring on the side of caution would still argue in favour of skepticism toward these coercive rollouts of experimental new drugs, supposedly to reduce symptoms for a statistically insignificant disease, whose risk is based on extremely dubious data. A2

Paul
Paul
Dec 22, 2021 7:19 PM
Reply to  Sam - Admin2

Let’s simplify a moment.. …

Does your website think the vaccine will kill more lives than it saves? Yes or No?

Does your website support the immediate withdrawal of all covid vaccines? Yes or No?

Regards
Paul

Sophie - Admin1
Admin
Sophie - Admin1
Dec 22, 2021 7:53 PM
Reply to  Paul

Yes, let’s simplify.

Do you support the global usage of an untested experimental protocol (not a vaccine) which does not confer immunity and for which the manufacturers can’t be held accountable no matter how much harm it does – and all to ‘protect’ against an ordinary cold/flu virus with a mortality of 0.2-0.004%?

Yes or no?

Penny
Penny
Dec 22, 2021 10:12 PM

“Do you support the global usage of an untested experimental protocol (not a vaccine) which does not confer immunity and for which the manufacturers can’t be held accountable no matter how much harm it does – and all to ‘protect’ against an ordinary cold/flu virus with a mortality of 0.2-0.004%?”

No. I do not support the use of an untested experimental protocol aka gene therapy that neither confers immunity nor was ever shown to impede serious symptoms and prevent death.

Nastran
Nastran
Dec 22, 2021 8:07 PM
Reply to  Paul

Website can not think.
Writers and commentators can.
And many of them on this website have capacity to see through propaganda or detect trolls.
So, on behalf of those, answer is yes and yes.

wardropper
wardropper
Dec 22, 2021 10:31 PM
Reply to  Nastran

Jose Silveira
Jose Silveira
Dec 22, 2021 9:10 PM
Reply to  Paul

The untested and unapproved toxic concoction that you insist in calling a vaccine (which it’s not – it’s gene therapy) has indeed killed more people than it could ever save, because there are no vaccines for coronavirus and coronaviruses have been with us for millennia and never meant a problem to anyone, except those already immunosupressed, with several comorbities, that only had a few months to live, if they survived the following winter. There were no excess deaths in 2020 (many countries had even less than average deaths), which means the invented virus killed no one and was just a hoax. But the shots are very real and very dangerous – people who took the shots and didn’t suffer immediate death or crippling, will still have their immune systems gradually reducing to zero and, sooner or later, any of the thousands of daily mild aggressions that a normal immune system copes with cheerfully, will become deadly for those that are compromised.
But what baffles me more, is the sheer number of people (out of fear or indoctrination) campaigning for the cartel of psychopaths that started all this for pure greed and lust for control – they couldn’t despise those supporters more. In time, the misguided will learn, but it will be too late for them and for the rest of the people they actively helped to take down.

Penny
Penny
Dec 22, 2021 10:12 PM
Reply to  Paul

One wonders why Paul assumes the vaccine is going to ‘save’ anybody?
There have certainly been many fully vaxxed that have died of Covid.

Orthus
Orthus
Dec 22, 2021 11:51 PM
Reply to  Penny

He began by claiming only that they caused people to be less sick. We have mission creep.

aspnaz
aspnaz
Dec 23, 2021 7:45 AM
Reply to  Paul

More people died after the vaccine rollout than before. How was that an effective solution?

Tim Drayton
Tim Drayton
Dec 23, 2021 11:37 AM
Reply to  Paul

This website does not have an opinion or policy. The views of contributors and posters are their own.

Tim Drayton
Tim Drayton
Dec 23, 2021 11:42 AM
Reply to  Paul

Distinguished cardiologist Peter McCullough certainly believes the first proposition to be true:

Dr. McCullough: Risk of dying from the vaccine appears greater than of dying from Covid
https://www.worldtribune.com/dr-mccullough-risk-of-dying-from-the-vaccine-appears-greater-than-of-dying-from-covid/

Orage
Orage
Dec 22, 2021 10:45 PM
Reply to  Sam - Admin2

The ‘vaccines’ haven’t passed the peer-review process of the very science you claim to espouse, therefore you have no grounds on which to base these assumptions.

You seem to be unaware of how medicines are approved for use, it is not by peer review as such but through a process of licensing. These vaccines have been approved through the normal processes of approval.

You make a lot of unsubstantiated allegations which, forgive me for saying so, confirm that you have little personal experience and knowledge of the subject.

Sam - Admin2
Admin
Sam - Admin2
Dec 23, 2021 4:48 AM
Reply to  Orage

What flagrant falsehood 😊 you must try harder. Trials are not complete or peer-reviewed. Licensing is not a scientific process, therefore my point stands. Those claiming to ‘follow the science’ are not, in fact. A2

Penelope
Penelope
Dec 23, 2021 11:39 AM
Reply to  Orage

Goodness, Paul– Are you really unaware that the CDC & NIH are SPONSORS of the “vax” & participate in its profits? Unheard of, shocking, and certainly not impartial. I recommend you listen to any video by Dr. Pter McCullough who is quite experienced in vaccine and drug review boards.

Tim Drayton
Tim Drayton
Dec 23, 2021 11:45 AM
Reply to  Orage

No, medicines have to pass through three stages of testing prior to approval, otherwise they are experimental. These injections have not completed three stages of testing.

wardropper
wardropper
Dec 23, 2021 3:46 PM
Reply to  Tim Drayton

Of course all the manufacturers have to do is announce tomorrow that the jabs HAVE completed three stages of testing, and almost everybody will heave a sigh of relief and get themselves quadruple-jabbed – just to celebrate…

They will not ask any questions about the uncanny speed at which the testing process was ‘completed’, or whether independent verification is available for its alleged completion.
Nor will they wonder why the manufacturers cannot be prosecuted even if lots of people are injured or die from the effects of their product.

Eat your heart out, Thalidomide. You were nothing compared to this.

Marilyn Shepherd
Marilyn Shepherd
Dec 22, 2021 7:02 PM
Reply to  Paul

Well why don’t you read the damn side effects around the world and ask how many deaths from jabs are you prepared to tolerate.

dr death
dr death
Dec 22, 2021 7:42 PM
Reply to  Paul

well… it would be useful if they actually functioned as stated wouldn’t it ‘pau’l? you know, so we can ahem, ‘open up’…I mean if you are going to coerce, defame, threaten and segregate half the population you had better make sure they fucking work…

don’t you agree..

by the way it’s time for you 4th ‘booster’ your pass has expired… don’t worry about mixing brands or technologies.. just trust the science ‘paul’…

wardropper
wardropper
Dec 23, 2021 3:49 PM
Reply to  dr death

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Mary2day
Mary2day
Dec 22, 2021 7:47 PM
Reply to  Paul

I practiced medicine for 20+ years as a CRNP and I can tell you that the clinical trials for the “vaccines” are not going to be completed until at least January 2023. Anyone who takes their jabs are taking part in their lab experiment. The mere fact that Pfizer does not want to disclose any of their data for 75 years should make the hair stand up on the back of your neck. There is currently NO information to prove that their gene editing jabs are safe let alone effective. I must ask you have you read the book “The REAL Anthony Fauci” by RFK Jr. Unlike Pfizerwho makes unsubstantiated claims, RFK Jr. provides over 1000 references and foot notes to back up all the information in the book.

Lizzyh7
Lizzyh7
Dec 22, 2021 11:36 PM
Reply to  Mary2day

Well, the willfully dumb don’t read Mary, so while you are very polite to suggest that “paul” reads a real book, I for one highly doubt “paul” would even know how to do that. Most of those with their heads shoved in the boob tube 24/7 simply aren’t capable of that. As for those footnotes, I for one doubt “paul” even knows what those are!

Azy
Azy
Dec 22, 2021 8:03 PM
Reply to  Paul
Justin
Justin
Dec 22, 2021 9:49 PM
Reply to  Paul

… you know perfectly well, that although not perfect, they {the vaccines} reduce illness and hospitalizations, particularly to vulnerable/aged persons.

Well no, personally I do not “know perfectly well” that these vaccines reduce hospitalisations etc, yet you feel at liberty to make a general assumption to the contrary. This is not an argument, it’s just an erroneous premises that does not reflect truth. Any student of (simple) logic knows well that an argument based on a false premise is invalid.

I am not interested in manufactured assumptions, rather, I am interested in hard data. I have come to the conclusion the data supporting vaccine effectiveness is not comprehensive nor transparent, rather it appears to be down right opaque or deceptive and intentionally so.

I suspect the books are being cooked big time – if you are paying attention then you would have to be a mug to think otherwise.

Until we have full transparency on all things Covid vaccines then one can only assume the powers that be have something to hide. The fact that suitably qualified professionals, who make valid scientific observations and arguments challenging vaccine safety and efficacy, are vilified, censored and cancelled should be a red flag to any person who respects freedom of speech and the scientific method.

It would appear the powers that be are scared shitless of the scientific method, freedom of speech and and the rule of law, rather they have resorted to brute force, censorship and tobacco science to push through what appears to be an agenda rather than a bona fide health emergency.

That fact that TPTB prohibit safe repurposed therapearics in the treatment of this disease should be another very big red flag that supports the “agenda” hypothesis. This of course makes no sense at all from a medical practice perspective. If you were dying from cancer and your doctor suggested a safe off label drug that had already worked in a subset of patients would you take in the hope it would save your life – you’d have to be a total fuckwit to say no, simple logic supports same. So why are doctors prohibited from doing this?

Can you give me a well considered reply supporting the banning of repurposed drugs that makes scientific and medical sense?

All things considered I believe those who have paid attention to the sum total of moving parts regarding this “health emergency” can only come to the conclusion something stinks to high heaven.

In fact I and I suspect many who contribute to this forum “know perfectly well” that it all stinks to high heaven.

Paul, what do you know, I mean what do you really know as opposed to what you think you know or what you have been programmed to know?

Think about it, because knowing the difference could be a matter of life and death.

Martha
Martha
Dec 22, 2021 11:13 PM
Reply to  Justin

And PS, Paul, what’s euphemistically being called a Breakthrough Case is in actuality a vaccine adverse event (because you’ve injected poison) or, according to some clinicians, you’ve encountered the “wild virus” and are experiencing antibody dependent enhancement. If you only got sick, you made out better than the dead ferrets in the animal trials.

Also, I’m so tired of polls with leading questions, meant to indoctrinate the unthinking, that produce the answers they want so they can say “most people agree that…”.

And as my act of resistance today, I had a medical appointment. The check in clerk wanted to aim the thermometer gun at my head. I refused and told her to aim it at my wrist because aiming a gun at someone’s head is inhumane. She gets the same result regardless of location. And she had never questioned aiming a gun at someone’s forehead. I find that bizarre.

Victor G.
Victor G.
Dec 23, 2021 5:17 PM
Reply to  Martha

Yes, Martha, that whole thermometer gun jazz was/is obviously a psy-op. The device could have assumed any form at all … a disc, a cross, a star at the end of a wand.
Sadly, I was subjected repeatedly to this absurdity. I asked the checkers more than once if they had ever discover somebody with a fever? Nada, Zilch, Squat.
When forced to be checked, I would hold up my left fist high.
Now, it’s all automated. I breeze right past.

ity
ity
Dec 23, 2021 2:49 AM
Reply to  Justin

Excellent reply. Hope Paul actually reads it.

wardropper
wardropper
Dec 22, 2021 10:32 PM
Reply to  Paul

Tim Drayton
Tim Drayton
Dec 23, 2021 11:36 AM
Reply to  Paul

Yes, but nobody including the manufacturers claim that these injections either stop you from getting the disease or passing it on, so they cannot help to fight a pandemic even if there is one.

Penny
Penny
Dec 22, 2021 5:34 PM

Reads like the reasoning for google taking my blog down
“violating community standards” however that is defined?
And of course it never is!

https://pennyforyourthoughts2.ca/2021/12/22/vaccine-fail-from-ontarios-official-source/

image from Ontario, Canada’s official site
most of the covid ‘cases’ are in the fully vaxxed

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goat
goat
Dec 22, 2021 7:32 PM
Reply to  Penny

It is funny that I have been having trouble with a local township here for some time, almost 15 years or so. And that is the same thing they told me in the early stages, that something I was doing that was nether illegal or unlawful was against community standards. Translation, some Karon didn’t like what I was doing on my property (having a trailer in the driveway). The result was that through abuse of process they came out and stole everything that was nailed down above and beyond just the trailer. It has only got worse since then to the point of tearing down my house and are now in the process of taking the property for the expense of tearing it down.

aspnaz
aspnaz
Dec 23, 2021 8:00 AM
Reply to  Penny

I wonder if the Jews were violating community standards in WW2? The authoritarians are always the same.

Moneycircus
Moneycircus
Dec 22, 2021 3:57 PM

Was Patreon worth it? Perhaps better out than in.

I have not found any quote, biblical or otherwise that atones for the betrayal of humanity.

A former colleague, a Russian Russia Today insider who betrayed me personally, I now see smiling from Davos. I said nothing except to print: Luke 8:17.

It is better that she learns and understands.

Lecture is pointless. I don’t know who she is, where her loyalties lie. Only my loyalties are relevant. It matters only what I stand for.

This is your wake up. Somebody’s 57’th pronoun does not matter. It really doesn’t. All that matters is what you block as it flows past. What you allow, and what you stand for.

Sophie - Admin1
Admin
Sophie - Admin1
Dec 22, 2021 6:20 PM
Reply to  Moneycircus

Was Patreon worth it? Perhaps better out than in.

Well, not really. We have just lost a large chunk of our income which obviously helps to put our existence in peril. It costs a lot to run a site like this without even factoring in that everyone involved needs to live, pay bills and eat. It’s pretty imperative we make up the shortfall tbh.

JustANumbersGuy
JustANumbersGuy
Dec 22, 2021 3:46 PM

“A record 968,665 booster and third doses were reported in the UK on Tuesday”

1,000,000 – 968,665 = 31,335 (threes, sixes, nine)

Also the barely hidden 911 and 666.

There’s loads more in there if you look….

Azy
Azy
Dec 22, 2021 3:29 PM

A Film That KILLED Its Own Film Maker : David Crowley /Gray State

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=s6KQl-qEBF4

Tony_0pmoc
Tony_0pmoc
Dec 22, 2021 5:33 PM
Reply to  Azy

A bit like Off_Guardian’s Moderation Policy. If they allowed people like me to have a conversation, rather than waiting for hours/days/forever for my comment to appear, I might have sent them some money for Christmas.

Instead one of the young moderators slags me off remorselessly and is incredibly offensive.

The daft thing, is that I agree with most of what she writes.

Tony

Azy
Azy
Dec 22, 2021 8:17 PM
Reply to  Tony_0pmoc

I wouldn’t take it personally.

Maybe it’s a personality clash?

Sometimes we post our innermost feelings online and that could make it difficult for others to join in since it is a personal experience and people may want to communicate the same agenda but on a more outside or public level?

Either way I wouldn’t let that clash affect your focus or priorities.

Sophie - Admin1
Admin
Sophie - Admin1
Dec 22, 2021 8:37 PM
Reply to  Azy

Don’t waste your time with this person. He’s a fake persona. He pretends he lives in the UK, though he clearly has never been here, and posts long screeds about an invented life going to festivals and pubs. He also is creepy about young women. He’s tolerated because he occasionally posts on topic.

Tony Maroni
Tony Maroni
Dec 22, 2021 9:37 PM
Reply to  Tony_0pmoc

Still playing the victim I see 😴

Cliff Edwards
Cliff Edwards
Dec 23, 2021 10:56 PM
Reply to  Tony_0pmoc

Why don’t you piss off and write a book, Tony? Then we can all get some sleep.

Cynicon Implant
Cynicon Implant
Dec 22, 2021 3:28 PM

Whenever I see corporations voluntarily giving up a chunk of their revenues for a “good cause” (like blocking “misinformation”), I immediately suspect it’s not voluntary.

Someone is leaning on Patreon.

citizen
citizen
Dec 22, 2021 5:47 PM

makes me wonder if the proxy to this is imran ahmed from the digital hate lot with the state behind them

gordan
gordan
Dec 22, 2021 2:37 PM

graphene is not toxic
not poison
not the rail track
not the foundations
not 5g

not worms electro magnetic
it is healing

it is good inside and out
not harm but goy heal

GRAPHEAL

Bob the Hod
Bob the Hod
Dec 22, 2021 3:32 PM
Reply to  gordan

And that, right there, if real, is the smoking gun. That’s what all this is about. I’m very glad to be unjabbed and smartphone free.

wardropper
wardropper
Dec 22, 2021 10:26 PM
Reply to  Bob the Hod

I am also unjabbed and essentially smartphone free, but look out next time you go to the dentist… Depending on his moral integrity, he’ll stick a piece under one of your teeth while he’s injecting you with pain killer… 🙂

Bob the Hod
Bob the Hod
Dec 23, 2021 10:33 AM
Reply to  wardropper

It’s a good job I don’t eat sugar, smoke or drink alcohol and I look after my teeth then! 🙂

wardropper
wardropper
Dec 23, 2021 3:52 PM
Reply to  Bob the Hod

I’m a sugar addict, unfortunately, but my teeth are doing okay anyway…

May Hem
May Hem
Dec 22, 2021 7:58 PM
Reply to  gordan

Scary stuff. Trying to convince us that their technology is superior and that human bodies are faulty. This new “saviour” also happens to make the manufacturers a lot of money. It is anti-Nature and anti-human.

bravenewworld
bravenewworld
Dec 22, 2021 10:03 PM
Reply to  gordan

GRAPHELL

wardropper
wardropper
Dec 22, 2021 10:27 PM
Reply to  gordan

Very clever, yet they can’t even fix a filthy English accent like that…

ity
ity
Dec 23, 2021 6:00 AM
Reply to  gordan

To be honest, these sort of posts, and the replies, do my head in. Not all technological medical advances are evil. The above technology has much real world potential for good. I wish people would stop throwing the baby out with the bathwater.

aspnaz
aspnaz
Dec 23, 2021 8:09 AM
Reply to  ity

Medicine needs another 100 years to rebuild its reputation, then I will listen to the salesmen. Until then I will try to forget that they are trying to have us force-vaccinated. Fuck them.

ity
ity
Dec 23, 2021 8:59 AM
Reply to  aspnaz

I’m not going to become anti-science just because mainstream science and medicine has been hijacked by malicious forces. That would be foolish and counterproductive.

wardropper
wardropper
Dec 23, 2021 4:19 PM
Reply to  ity

We all find our own ways to cope, but I really don’t see people becoming ‘anti-science’ here.

Pointing out the dangers of misuse is not the same as “anti”.
However misuse and overuse are, unfortunately, extremely common.
That makes many people hesitant to embrace every new technological ‘advance’ the day after its invention and take it at its highly-advertized face value…

aspnaz
aspnaz
Dec 24, 2021 2:52 AM
Reply to  ity

Who’s anti-science? I am against modern medicine, not science. Medicine is not science.

Fauci didn’t start licensing bad drugs last year, he has been doing it since 1984. Why would you use any drug licensed by Fauci? His job is to make sure that the results of bad science does not leak through the system, but actually he promotes bad science and corruption.

Paying the government to license your drug is not science, it is corruption. Medicine is excessively corrupt, to the extent that it now takes a huge proportion of GDP, something like 20% in the USA.

The corruption is also the main reason why modern drugs are less effective than older drugs and why prescription drugs are one of the leading causes of death. Why do you think doctors in the USA were handing out opiods as pain killers? Who started the opiod epidemic? It wasn’t the science, it was medicine.

Mind you, the science is not innocent either. Why are modern drugs not tested against existing alternatives? The reason is that most older alternatives outshine the modern drugs: the low fruit has already been picked, so the science lowers the bar for itself.

ity
ity
Dec 24, 2021 10:43 AM
Reply to  aspnaz

I completely agree with you, and should have been more careful and thoughtful when responding. Though is the above tech directly licensed by Fauci? I suppose you could argue that it doesn’t matter, and that the whole industry is corrupt. Which would be a valid point.

Thanks for replying; you have made me reassess, and also question how I react to posts online.

wardropper
wardropper
Dec 23, 2021 4:18 PM
Reply to  aspnaz

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Bob the Hod
Bob the Hod
Dec 23, 2021 10:39 AM
Reply to  ity

Nobody would need any of this shit if our food, air and water weren’t poisoned and we weren’t encouraged to constantly engage in actions with deleterious consequences for our health. Most of today’s illnesses have been caused by technology. So personally, I don’t think the answer lies in more technology.

ity
ity
Dec 23, 2021 12:58 PM
Reply to  Bob the Hod

If you watch the video, they show that these sheets of graphene + sensors can treat serious injuries or infections that until now often require the amputation of limbs. And I can imagine that this tech could also perhaps be very good a treating serious burns, which are notoriously difficult to treat, and again often lead to the amputation of limbs.

A healthy diet is all well and good, and something that I heartily endorse, but diet is perhaps not the first line of treatment when dealing with a body mangled in a car crash, or part roasted in a house fire.

Not everything is about Covid.

wardropper
wardropper
Dec 23, 2021 4:51 PM
Reply to  ity

I think we, here, do realize that not everything is about covid.

But our defences need to be up against ‘the authorities’ who have MADE everything about covid, whether we like it or not.

For me, genuine scientific enquiry is a completely different issue, and common sense applies to that quite naturally.
But covid has nothing to do with common sense, and it needs to be treated as the kettle of stinking fish which it truly is.

wardropper
wardropper
Dec 23, 2021 4:16 PM
Reply to  ity

I agree with aspnaz on this one, and I really don’t think people are throwing the baby out with the bathwater.

Just as it is possible for an eminent doctor to completely wreck his reputation by listening to voices in his head which tell him to remove a patient’s brain instead of a wart on his foot, so can the field of technological medicine completely wreck its reputation by listening to Anthony Fauci and self-lobotomizing.

Those wounds take a long time to heal.

Of course reasonably bright people can still find ways to make positive use of technology.
Here we all are, doing exactly that with our screens and keyboards, and in many cases we are finding good scientific information through this very site.

It certainly wouldn’t be very bright to stop looking for reliable information just because Fauci & Co are spreading disinformation, but “these sorts of posts, and the replies”, as you put it, point to an evil which must be recognized for what it is.

Understandably, people are concerned that this evil has already spread its tentacles farther than we used to think, so they are rightly suspicious.
But if covid stopped completely tomorrow, people would regain their composure soon enough.

ity
ity
Dec 23, 2021 5:35 PM
Reply to  wardropper

Ok. I do hear what you are saying, and agree with you to a certain extent. But at the same time I can’t help noticing, at times, what looks like a knee jerk reaction against certain key words, concepts, or devices.

For example, graphene seems to have become almost representative of some malignant technology in and of itself, and just the word ‘graphene’ now causes some to recoil in horror. Graphene is just a thin lattice made up of carbon atoms.

Someone above referred to this tech as a ‘smoking gun’, when that is obviously not the case. A ‘smoking gun’ to what?

I think that perhaps people have jumped on the above video because it suggests that this ‘Grapheal’ system could be used to detect SARS, which has obviously got peoples backs up. And understandably so. But this doesn’t necessarily mean that these scientists are in any way involved in the current scam. They could just be good people who have been working innocently and quietly on their pet project for the past decade, which is how long they say this project has been ongoing.

They have used detecting SARS as a topical example of this systems ability to quickly and cheaply identify a virus or pathogen, but they could have just as easily used chicken pox as an example, or yellow fever etc. And perhaps it would have been better if they had chosen something else as an example.

But, having said all that, and having attempted to defend the above new tech, I take your point about peoples wariness of such new science, and of course we should all remain vigilant at all times. And of course it’s quite possible that I am in this instance not being vigilant enough. Perhaps I myself am guilty of a knee jerk reaction to what I see as other peoples knee jerk reaction.

Thank you for your response, I’ve found it helpful.

JWK
JWK
Dec 22, 2021 2:10 PM

Truth can easily withstand any scrutiny, criticism, or argument. It neither needs, desires, nor requires protection by censorship. LIES DO!!!!

Jim McDonagh
Jim McDonagh
Dec 22, 2021 1:52 PM

Germany is following through on its threat to ban RT as the true purpose of the Internet , oppression of the masses , becomes clearer ? The cult movie They Live comes to mind ?

October
October
Dec 22, 2021 1:22 PM

Sorry to hear about Patreon – hope they did not steal any of your hard-earned money?

I see some on the ‘left’ have begun to realise that they may have been conned?

https://www.unz.com/jcook/the-lefts-contempt-for-bodily-autonomy-during-the-pandemic-is-a-gift-to-the-right/

But it looks like the road is tortuous  😂  😂 

Marilyn Shepherd
Marilyn Shepherd
Dec 22, 2021 6:17 PM
Reply to  October

Jonathon was a whinging sniveller last year and called me a covidiot imbecile

October
October
Dec 22, 2021 6:48 PM

It looks like he’s having second thoughts  😂 

Marilyn Shepherd
Marilyn Shepherd
Dec 22, 2021 7:04 PM
Reply to  October

Took him fucking long enough to stop snivelling though. I wonder when these tossers will realise how absurd it was to lock up all the healthy people and destroy nations

John Goss
John Goss
Dec 22, 2021 12:58 PM

Dear OffGuardian, I was tempted to write it was unbelievable but of course today it is not just believable, but to be expected. Doctors for Covid Ethics (d4ce.org) was being hosted on Medium until D4CE published an article on the necessity, efficacy and safety of the “vaccines”.

https://doctors4covidethics.org/covid-vaccine-necessity-efficacy-and-safety-3/

I’m not sure how they are hosting it now but there have been no problems since. Perhaps if you got in touch with one of the principals they might be able to help.

Edwige
Edwige
Dec 22, 2021 12:54 PM

Don’t expect much from the state church:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10334569/Archbishop-Canterbury-says-unvaccinated-immoral-love-neighbour.html

Serving state interests shouldn’t be a surprise but serving the interests of the moneylenders? It’s not so much kicking them of the temple but “come in my old mates and have a cup of tea”.

This is what weaponised communitarianism looks like.

Rhys Jaggar
Rhys Jaggar
Dec 22, 2021 1:20 PM
Reply to  Edwige

The State Church is pretty much an irrelevance now: the vast majority of UK citizens are non-attenders.

Jim McDonagh
Jim McDonagh
Dec 22, 2021 1:56 PM
Reply to  Rhys Jaggar

The religion of the globalizing neoliberals is materialism its god head is Mammon The State , ethnicity , and race are no longer relevant ?

S Cooper
S Cooper
Dec 22, 2021 3:49 PM
Reply to  Jim McDonagh
wardropper
wardropper
Dec 22, 2021 2:36 PM
Reply to  Rhys Jaggar

As with all institutionalized religion these days…

I think ritual still has its place because it involves discipline, and not many fields of human activity work very well without discipline. But when the discipline replaces the soul, you get half-witted Archbishops of Canterbury who wander well outside the sphere of their competence and start imagining they are God.

At least to my mind, there has been a huge change in people’s general perception of themselves during the last fifty years.
The essence of religion is becoming a personal, private matter, even if people who think somewhat alike are naturally drawn together, and the centuries-long influence of ‘The Church’ has become, as you say, an irrelevance to Freedom and Truth.

It is now little more than a cosy story from the past, but people will cling to it for dear life because they have nothing else to cling to. For them, it’s the clinging that’s important.
That said, sheep are sheep, and when they wander over the edge of a cliff, it is the shepherd who is to blame. All his neighbours wonder, “Where the hell was he?”

Tony_0pmoc
Tony_0pmoc
Dec 22, 2021 6:12 PM
Reply to  wardropper

Most of my Friends are English. About the same age as you and me. Almost all of us were brought up with various Christian Religions, Catholic, Protestant etc.

Both my wife and I were brought up as Catholics, but we stopped going to Church when we were Teenagers.

It does not however mean that we have lost the basic morality of Christianity….

But I think this basic Morality is Endemic, in the vast majority of all religions, including the oldest, that we know about.

Many of our friends now, sort of claim to be Pagans

Celebrating The Seasons.

To be perfectly honest, I can’t tell the difference.

We still get nice cards at Christmas.

And we still go to festivals, not that often dancing through the campfires naked in the woods.

That is more for The Summer Solstice

No one takes it that seriously.

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Tony

wardropper
wardropper
Dec 22, 2021 10:22 PM
Reply to  Tony_0pmoc

Thanks for that Tony.

But I do take the subject seriously, and I think a very large portion of our human ills derive from the fact that not enough of us take our own spirituality seriously.
We lack the self-confidence which comes from knowing that your essential nature is certainly living in a suitable body, but is not confined to it, or identical to it.

“All very mystical”, I hear people mock, but if they would only sit down alone and think occasionally, then mocking would have no purpose and they would see that they are left with something else instead.
Something more than what you can build by belittling others. Something stronger. Something you can work with when everything goes to hell, as it is currently doing.

At least my experience of life has taught me that I am not just the product of my genes, or my upbringing, which seems to have been very similar to yours, only without the Catholic bit.

aspnaz
aspnaz
Dec 23, 2021 9:01 AM
Reply to  wardropper

People mock when they are ignorant and want to stay ignorant.

aspnaz
aspnaz
Dec 23, 2021 8:58 AM
Reply to  Tony_0pmoc

Memories of morality remind me of memories of when CofE church goers were expected to at-least pretend they believe in God.

Morality is not religion.

wardropper
wardropper
Dec 23, 2021 4:55 PM
Reply to  aspnaz

Indeed. But I think it’s a pity that morality is not religion.

In fact, without morality, I don’t really see how religion can exist.

Penny
Penny
Dec 22, 2021 5:51 PM
Reply to  Edwige

This idea of being unvaccinated being immoral is bizarre beyond belief.
Since, at best, the vaxx maybe protects the jabbee from sickness, there is no aspect of ‘love the neighbour’ that even relates to this reality. In fact it’s an act of total selfishness. Only caring for yourself (based on the fallacy of the vaxx being protective)

Geoff S
Geoff S
Dec 22, 2021 6:00 PM
Reply to  Penny

Ah, but your mistake is using logic and reason.

We shouldn’t appeal to anything other than emotion and herd instinct. Them’s the rules.

May Hem
May Hem
Dec 22, 2021 8:20 PM
Reply to  Geoff S

But there is still the wonderfully articulate and wise Archbishop Vigano, who pulls no punches and criticizes the pope and clear occult direction of the catholic church.

In my local area we have some great ‘church’ people who have rejected the cult of covid. Like everywhere else, the churches are divided too.

https://www.bitchute.com/video/KuvXnvaFhZz9/

wardropper
wardropper
Dec 22, 2021 10:05 PM
Reply to  May Hem

Vigano is exceptional. There can’t be many of his like in the Catholic Church.
What he has to say requires great courage, given the proximity of the mafia to his home and work.

aspnaz
aspnaz
Dec 23, 2021 9:06 AM
Reply to  Penny

Unvaccinated is immoral but being a leper, really spreading disease, is not immoral if you listen to that guy Jesus, but what would he know, the Pope and Archwanker are in charge now.

County Girl
County Girl
Dec 22, 2021 10:04 PM
Reply to  Edwige

I was surprised (pleasantly) to find many of the daily mail commenters had a really good ‘go’ at Welby. Not many agreed with him.

aspnaz
aspnaz
Dec 23, 2021 8:53 AM
Reply to  Edwige

State church has converted in property investment fund … watch them sell off prize property to their mates.

Spencer
Spencer
Dec 22, 2021 12:23 PM

Why is this shocking news..?
I am going to give you a small telling off.

This website / forum has been hammering the boring as hell ‘Corbett’s solution watch’ expecting its members / commentators / Patreons to take them on.
Silly me has taken some suggestions on !

Yet you OFF G haven’t been taking any of the solution’s recommendations on. Why..?
naughty naughty hopefully this will help pull your fingers out your ass;’s and start taking on more solutions to get yourself away from them type of evil services.

Lead by example and others will follow.

Thiekbalj
Thiekbalj
Dec 22, 2021 12:00 PM

https://waketfupweekly.substack.com/p/the-dark-fascist-connections-of-the

Sorry for multiple post fat thumbz here’s the link

Thiekbalj
Thiekbalj
Dec 22, 2021 11:58 AM

Not sure which corrupt platform I used for my monthly donation does off g plan to send out an email to ppl that were on Patreon so you don’t lose that revenue.

As a side note having watched you all grow over the last 2.5 years why not cut the middleman out completely and take your own donations directly?

Off G’s poet laureate Gorden posted an incredibly in depth article that looked behind the veil of Freemasons/cabal clubs yesterday the article is specifically about New Matt Handcock aka Zeitgeist Zahawi but it goes much deeper one of the best articles on ‘what goes on’ in their minds

Mr Y
Mr Y
Dec 22, 2021 12:48 PM
Reply to  David

Facebook?

Odysseus
Odysseus
Dec 22, 2021 11:34 AM

Is the plandemic being defeated? I think nothing will significantly change until more people individually understand what’s going on and wake up, irritating and slow though this process may be to those of us who have had a clue all along.

People have been led into their stupors by propaganda from their cohorts and the media; nothing short of full, personal realisation of this (without impatient agitation from us) will ever change their minds, at which point they might fully understand:

“… We are on guard against contagious diseases of the body, but we are exasperatingly careless when it comes to the even more dangerous collective diseases of the mind.”
― C.G. Jung, The Symbolic Life: Miscellaneous Writings

In Jung’s terms the whole crisis has highlighted that more people desperately need to individuate.

JohnEss
JohnEss
Dec 22, 2021 11:41 AM
Reply to  Odysseus

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Excellent comment.

Mr Y
Mr Y
Dec 22, 2021 11:20 AM

At least you gave up Google mail before they pulled the plug …

Rhisiart Gwilym
Rhisiart Gwilym
Dec 22, 2021 11:10 AM

I had a brief brush with Patreon whilst subscribing to Dmitry Orlov’s paywalled mailouts. The were already censoring then, plus being awkward when I wanted to ditch them: still trying to get my subscription money. I switched to Subscribestar which – SO FAR! – haven’t tried anything on yet. I now treat Patreon the way I treat Wikideceivia: regard as a toxic cesspit; avoid totally, at all times. Have nothing to do with them.

bravenewworld
bravenewworld
Dec 22, 2021 10:26 AM

I can played this to someone normal and they would say yer but it still very dangerous because….
https://twitter.com/knigh87/status/1472491304785379328

Brian Sides
Brian Sides
Dec 22, 2021 9:54 AM

BOMBSHELL: In court filing, Facebook admits ‘fact checks’ are nothing more than opinion

BOMBSHELL: In court filing, Facebook admits ‘fact checks’ are nothing mo…Facebook has admitted in a court of law that such fact checks are not factual at all, but merely opinions.People…

Maybe some one should tell Ofcom

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2021/06/05/ofcom-accused-stifling-criticism-governments-covid-response/
“The list of claims that could be considered false or misleading is provided to us by Full Fact, and help us understand how often people encounter these types of claims. The survey is refined as new information comes to light.”

But as Ofcom is totally independent there is no problem.

First they ignore you
Then they ridicule you
Then they attack you
Then they claim they were saying the same things

Jim McDonagh
Jim McDonagh
Dec 22, 2021 1:58 PM
Reply to  Brian Sides

Marilyn Shepherd
Marilyn Shepherd
Dec 22, 2021 7:06 PM
Reply to  Brian Sides

Even worse they are opinions written by the fucking drug companies.

Donald Duck
Donald Duck
Dec 22, 2021 9:45 AM

Revanchist Nazism Throughout the Western World

By Paul Craig Roberts

Survival Rates by age.

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Survival Rates

table starting at .00001% for Infants under 5

up to and including 94.5% for the over 70s (see file above)

We are witnessing the return of Nazism, but this time throughout the entire Western World. Austria, Germany, and Italy have eliminated civil liberties more thoroughly than Hitler and Mussolini achieved. Re-nazified Germany, Austria and Italy have destroyed the doctor-patient relationship more completely than did Josef Mengele. The political leaders of resurrected Nazism are all guilty of crimes under the Nuremberg Laws.

Will the US, UK, France, and Russia again invade these Nazi countries and execute the leaders for their capital crimes? No. The US, UK, France, and Russia are doing the same thing, as are Canada, Australia, and New Zealand.

Australia has concentration camps, not for Japanese prisoners of war but for Australian citizens suspected of having had contact with a someone infected with Covid. Everywhere in the “free” Western world, executive branch officials have shown disregard for constitutional processes by asserting legislative powers and issuing laws in the form of mandates. Parliaments and Congresses have shown their own disregard for democratic political systems by accepting the confiscation of their powers and the incorporation of the legislative function into the executive branch as happened in Rome under the Caesars.

In the United States little nazis have popped up everywhere. Corporate employers, school boards, university administrators, sports team owners, hospital administrators, mayors, and governors have revealed themselves as incipient Fuhrers issuing illegal orders: Be injected, you and your young children, with a substance that has proved itself not to protect you or anyone else against Covid or any of its variants, but is known to carry a high risk of serious injury and death, or you are fired and your career is at an end. In re-nazified Germany/Austria people are threatened with prison if they refuse to play Russian Roulette with their health. Has any previous government in history been this tyrannical? The West has achieved the supreme tyranny–your health is not up to you and your doctor. Your health is controlled by a protocol handed down by a captured regulatory agency serving only the profits of Big Pharma.

When the Soviet Union had internal passports it was seen as proof of an unfree people. Now the entire Western “free” world is faced with internal passports called Covid passports. Once these passports are in existence, every human right, every civil liberty is converted from a right to a privilege subject to government approval. All rights end. Passports are issued to compliant citizens who by their subservience gain privileges to go to restaurants, bars, sports events and other entertainment forms, and to travel and to keep their jobs. It is no longer government accountable to citizens; it is citizens accountable to government. Freedom is thus redefined as slavery as in George Orwell’s 1984 dystopia.

In the United States the only people who died from Covid were people with weakened immune systems from co-morbidities who were refused treatment with known safe treatments such as HCQ and Ivermectin which also serve as preventatives. To avoid Covid deaths, all that was necessary was to protect the vulnerable with preventative doses of HCQ or Ivermectin.

Instead, Covid infected people were interred in nursing homes full of immune-impaired elderly people. No one was treated, because the emergency use authorization given to the so-called “vaccine” required that there were no known treatments. Thus Big Pharma and the captured regulatory agencies–FDA, NIH, CDC, WHO–carried on a campaign against HCQ and Ivermectin. Both were said to be unsafe and unapproved (a double lie). False claims were published by media whores that hospitals were full of people made ill by Ivermectin, allegedly a horse medicine. Hospital administrators accepted the protocol handed to them by Fauci and Big Pharma that hospitals are to prevent any treatment with HCQ and Ivermectin regardless of doctor’s orders. The utterly corrupt American Medical Association accepted this violation of the doctor/patient relationship.

As word got out that American hospitals were paid for killing, not curing, infected patients, family members had to turn to the judiciary to get court orders to force murderous hospital administrators to permit a patient’s doctor to save his life with Ivermectin !

The question that desperately requires being investigated and answered is: Who, what agency, under what authority, with what appropriated money established the incentives for American hospitals to murder people in order to increase their revenues?

This is the greatest crime in American history. The people responsible for this should be arrested, tried, convicted, and executed. Every one of them is guilty of mass murder.

But nothing will happen, because the media will not let any truth about the Covid Deception be reported. Believe it or not, the American media is more compliant as a propaganda ministry than media was under Stalin in the Soviet Union. In the Soviet era the media developed the technique of writing so that the reader read between the lines. But in “free” America where the press is protected by the First Amendment, the decision was made that revenues were more important than truth to the media’s existence. Thus, the US print, TV, and NPR media became agents for those who provided their advertising revenues or under-the-counter payoffs.

Once again here are the Covid death and survival rates by age group of untreated Covid infected. The left column is the death rate by age, the right column is the survival rate by age. Remember, the people who died were prohibited treatment with known life-saving HCQ and Ivermectin on Fauci’s orders.

 
Clearly, this is not a dangerous pandemic and most certainly not one requiring the permanent destruction of accountable government achieved over centuries. Fauci and his evil ilk have thrown the entire Western World back into the era of slaves and serfs where no one has a voice except the ruler.

When you confront the fact that the destruction of Western liberty was done by a handful of two-bit totalitarian punks such as Fauci, not by tyrants of statue such as Stalin and Hitler, it reveals how hollowed out the West is due to an “educational” system that for decades has called into question every Western achievement and every western value. The public schools and universities, together with the media whores and Hollywood, set the American people up for the loss of their freedom and liberty.

Think about it. How many relatives and former friends do you have who, if you are not “vaccinated,” will have nothing to do with you, who tell you that you are selfish and do not care about others, that you risk exposing others to death and injury by not being vaccinated. This is Big Pharma’ narrative, and your former friends and relatives believe Big Pharma’s self-serving, revenue-enhancing lies and are immune to the known and published facts with which you attempt, unsuccessfully, to acquaint them.

People who are unable to think for themselves–the majority of the population–are easily brainwashed and indoctrinated. It is not a population that can defend their liberty or enforce accountable government. It is a dumbshit population that turns on those who would restore their liberty, not on those taking away their liberty.

Nevertheless, those brave few–Frontier Doctors, Doctors for Covid Ethics, Robert F. Kennedy, Jr., and thousands of doctors and independent scientists (those not on Big Pharma grants)–who defend liberty do so, because it is liberty they are defending. They are defending a human accomplishment–the work of a few people–that took

JohnEss
JohnEss
Dec 22, 2021 11:47 AM
Reply to  Donald Duck

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highlander
highlander
Dec 22, 2021 12:54 PM
Reply to  Donald Duck

Yes!

charles kint
charles kint
Dec 22, 2021 3:30 PM
Reply to  Donald Duck

you got that right!

Epicurious
Epicurious
Dec 22, 2021 6:29 PM
Reply to  Donald Duck

DD well put. Pardon the association but our communities are acting like M&M Mouse or probably more appropriately Goofy.

wardropper
wardropper
Dec 22, 2021 9:56 PM
Reply to  Donald Duck


Craig Roberts is an excellent read.
Not a scientist, but, like many of us here, ‘scientifically literate’, and intelligent enough to see clear patterns in long-term political developments.

Bob the bum
Bob the bum
Dec 22, 2021 9:32 AM

If god himself blogged anonymously, how many subscribers would he have? If Jesus shows up won’t they just lynch him again? Would Mahavira get done for indecent exposure? Buddha would be shadow banned for sure, Hazrat Babajan would be dragged off to the looney bin and there is no way mainstream society would tolerate Gandhi’s shenanigans in this day and age.
How can the unwise recognise wisdom? What chance do the wisest among us have of convincing the majority of anything?
Anyone with a deep understanding gets very few likes, subscriptions, donations and will likely be banned for breaching community guidelines.

So congratulations Off-Guardian for getting kicked off Patreon!

wardropper
wardropper
Dec 23, 2021 4:58 PM
Reply to  Bob the bum

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Johnny
Johnny
Dec 22, 2021 9:13 AM

NEWSFLASH, NEWSFLASH, NEWSFLASH !!!
Another new ‘virus’ !!!
Highly contagious and incredibly potent!
It’s hitting media outlets, corporate boardrooms, Houses of Parliament, the Pentagon, the Whitehouse and politicians offices all around the world!
It’s a virus of Truth and humility.
It purifies and detoxifies everyone it touches!
And it’s being spread via flying pink elephants.

charles kint
charles kint
Dec 22, 2021 3:36 PM
Reply to  Johnny

yes, it is omnimoron, it comes in via tv, other media, just switch off!

SimonO
SimonO
Dec 22, 2021 9:09 AM

Is this why mainstream media outlets don’t have Patreon?

Mr Y
Mr Y
Dec 22, 2021 11:24 AM
Reply to  SimonO

They have Patreons but not via https://www.patreon.com

Jojo
Jojo
Dec 22, 2021 8:40 AM

Why the hell does a payment company have “community” standards in the first place? Sounds like they are too full of themselves.

Just collect the money and disburse it after taking your cut. As long as the money isn’t illegal, there shouldn’t be any further concerns.

Edwige
Edwige
Dec 22, 2021 9:16 AM
Reply to  Jojo

‘Know Your Customer’ legislation has forced this on US-based businesses. It’s aresult of the clampdown on money-laundering post-9/11.

Like moth things, it could potentially be used for good but can also be weaponised.

George Mc
George Mc
Dec 22, 2021 8:18 AM

I had the strangest dream last night. There were three guys sitting and chatting in a yard. One of them had a strangely familiar face – kind of avuncular and like an old celebrity. I went to have a closer look and realised that his head had collapsed into a pile of ash. A second was the same and the third looked as if his head was about to sink. At that point I had this realisation that there was nothing unusual about this. It was the inevitable effect of smoking. (I have a feeling the dream has nothing to do with smoking!)

ity
ity
Dec 22, 2021 8:10 AM

The Guardian has today completed it’s top 50 TV programmes of 2021, and I was a little surprised that the excellent ‘Dopesick’ didn’t even make the list. I’ve just questioned this on the relevant open thread, and suggested that perhaps Dopesick’s portrayal of drug companies as less than heroic might be the reason for ‘Dopesick’ being sidelined and ignored. My post didn’t even stay up for 1 minute.

The censorship is being woven into the very fabric of the internet.

Edwige
Edwige
Dec 22, 2021 9:18 AM
Reply to  ity

All Guardian lists are reflections of what serves the agenda, none have anything to do with any other merit.

ity
ity
Dec 22, 2021 9:47 AM
Reply to  Edwige

Yes. And omitting ‘Dopesick’ from the list is certainly a glaring example of them serving an agenda. They gave this show a big thumbs up months ago, and it clearly ticks so many Guardian boxes, but they have since decided to push it quietly aside, due to it not being on message concerning one particular topic.

Blatant and disgraceful behaviour.

If I had a list of the top 10 shits of 2021, then Katharine Viner would certainly be near the top.

Marilyn Shepherd
Marilyn Shepherd
Dec 22, 2021 7:08 PM
Reply to  ity

Dopesick was nauseating and I watched it all in 2 sittings, The second series of Hot Zone about the US anthrax con was equally sickening but funnier.