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WATCH: Gain of Function Garbage

“The internet is once again giddy with “Gain of Function” fever following the recent publication of DARPA related documents by Project Veritas. Is this the smoking gun or a stinky fish?”

New Zealand based doctor, Sam Bailey, breaks down the recent “leaked documents” which some claim support the “lab leak theory” and accusations that the alleged Sars-Cov-2 virus was the result of gain of function research.

Dr Bailey discusses what gain of function research actually entails, the holes in the lab leak theory, and more broadly the role these theories and “leaks” play in re-inforcing the pandemic narrative.

You can watch more of Dr Bailey’s content on either her YouTube or Odysee channels.

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ophiaps
ophiaps
Jan 28, 2022 4:48 PM

Common sense at last.

remo
remo
Jan 28, 2022 12:01 AM

The good Doctor makes two vital points: the patterning of omission in an overall psyop is one pointer to its intent: and; getting the redefined vaccine/materiél into every person on the planet is the object of the psyop. Thus adding to the argument it is bioweapon.
That makes sense. Even the layman can understand principles of KOCHS Postulates and whether or not they have been satisfied in regards to Covid. To my knowledge they have not been. And that no isolated virus has been identified is not part of the conversation, while GoF is everywhere, tends toward it being as Dr Sam says.

Phantasm
Phantasm
Jan 27, 2022 7:34 PM

Gain of Function ( brain malfunction) has triggered many!

That escaped lab story ‘ Hollywood ‘ ridiculous psycho drama has really taken people in.

How Hollywood Black Magick Works

mik
mik
Jan 27, 2022 4:01 PM

Dear administrators,

this is a message for you and is not meant to be published. You have my email for reply if you want.

Two of my comments have been redacted, not published. I don’t care for one, maybe it was a glitch.

But I do care for reply to Sam Admin2 and I think you should care too.

I think I didn’t go over the top or being offensive. You allow more than what I describe as English-over-politeness and you have my sympathies for this. I’ve been in line.

I can understand you went into discussion with me, yes, I started with calling out your institution. Although I sincerely respect you institution, I have to point out that sometimes you astray badly. Then I react and will react, because I think it’s necessary and also valuable. You started your endeavor as I know because you’ve been censored in the guardian.

In my unpublished reply to Sam, I’ve pointed out some mistakes she/he made. I brought some new insights and not merely repeating myself. I’ve been building my case…but you stopped me. You shut my mouth, not good. Ok, you allowed me to make my case elsewhere.

I’m ok with administrators being engaged in debate, but then be engaged in debate fully and don’t use your exclusive powers to curtail a debate. Let us be on equal terms, it is necessary.

As I said I understand that you occasionally have a need to defend your institution. In this concrete case you could said: “We are publisher, we publish what we deem to be valuable. Readers have fully open comment section to debate what we have published.” Fairness in its finest and at the same time you also recognize falsifiability.

Power to the People

mik

mik
mik
Jan 28, 2022 3:58 AM
Reply to  mik

I’m thoroughly surprised, didn’t expect this, hats off. and respect, These words rarely comes out of my mouth for anyone, anyone literally.

Please, please, try to avoid publishing……….because actually I don’t want to be mf, i.e motherfucker…….but, your home your rules.

Power to the People

Purebloodpatriot
Purebloodpatriot
Jan 26, 2022 8:23 PM

DARPA admits HCQ and Ivermectin are effective treatments aganist Covid. However doctors in US had their medical license revoked for “spreading Covid misinformation” and treating patients with Ivermectin. Doctors who go aganist the narrative are under investigation for daring to speak out against the Biden Regime and for daring to question Big Pharma. They want to block every way possible to reach people for cheap and alternative treatments. You can get your ivm by visiting ivmcures.com

Concerned Citizen
Concerned Citizen
Jan 27, 2022 1:09 AM

What is “covid”?

Igor
Igor
Jan 26, 2022 4:18 PM

Seasonal Flu.
No need for anything new to be created or any “gain of function”.
Don’t get sucked into counter operations.
Keep it simple.

mik
mik
Jan 26, 2022 8:08 PM
Reply to  Igor

covid = seasonal flu??

Yes, for most people. I got it right at the beginning, never ever I’ve been so sick in my entire life. I thought I’ll end up in hospital, where mf would probably try to put me on ventilator. Yes, it was that bad. Normies cannot get how can I talk about scamdemic after what I went through.

Scamdemic is one thing, disease is another.

damer65
damer65
Jan 26, 2022 8:44 PM
Reply to  mik

Glad you recovered. Do you have any idea how you “caught” or contracted the illness? For example being in crowded spaces or close to someone who had a respiratory illness, or were you tired/stressed for a period of time then having low immunity? Or on any immune suppressing medications? Not trying to pry on your personal circumstances but I’m keenly interested in exactly how or why people catch this new illness that I believe has been circulating. Please feel free not to answer my questions.

mik
mik
Jan 26, 2022 9:41 PM
Reply to  damer65

No idea how or where I got it. Occasionally in spring I got flu or similar. Lungs are my weak point. I can’t remember anything else that might be considered as increased risk. I’m almost completely on homeopathy, remedy Camphor potency 1M saved me from going to hospital. After recovery, that took at least a month, I’ve continued living the old way like nothing is going on, no caution at all literally. Damn, also continue smoking after a pause of few months.

Klaas
Klaas
Jan 27, 2022 7:28 AM
Reply to  damer65
Sophie - Admin1
Admin
Sophie - Admin1
Jan 28, 2022 6:26 AM
Reply to  mik

I got it 

Define what this means to you

mik
mik
Jan 26, 2022 3:26 PM

Off Guardian….. Because Facts Really Should be Sacred????
Ok, I’m a little harsh with your slogan, you are ok, I’m taking you in good faith.

What we have got here??

A well crafted narrative employing all of techniques for getting message across: cutie, credibility (doctor), smile, flirting with camera (observer), positiveness,……..yeah, gimme more, I’m buying…….but what.
On the other hand you have to read between the lines to get what she is really up to.
All in all, I despise such an approach.

I would love to hear from proponents of no-virus-theory what they propose as an alternative theory. The only thing I’ve seen is negation of virus-theory, but no theory that would also explain a phenomena named contagion, something anyone with a functioning cognition had been able to notice in his life.

We really live in unprecedented times when it’s very hard to make sense of things, and some bought scamdemic, others bought no-virus. I hope cia-casey’s wet dreams won’t become true.

Sophie - Admin1
Admin
Sophie - Admin1
Jan 26, 2022 3:33 PM
Reply to  mik

I would love to hear from proponents of no-virus-theory what they propose as an alternative theory.

So – stick with the hypothesis you started with, no matter how poorly supported it is, because you don’t have a better one to take its place?

Novel approach to science that.

mik
mik
Jan 26, 2022 4:04 PM

It’s not about hypothesis only, it’s about theory.
Provide a better theory that would explain contagion, too. Or show contagion is imaginary phenomena, bad observation, for example. That would be scientific method.

Sam - Admin2
Admin
Sam - Admin2
Jan 26, 2022 5:00 PM
Reply to  mik

It’s difficult if we argue from any assumption. Viruses or, as many would say, ‘alleged viruses’ aren’t the only contagious pathogens. I think the only fair thing to say is we first need studies to verify contagion is taking place which can’t be explained by other verified mechanisms and, if there is, to investigate from there.

If this science isn’t out there it’d be begging the question to even mention viruses at this stage. 🤷‍♂️

A2

Dosamuno
Dosamuno
Jan 26, 2022 6:10 PM
Reply to  Sam - Admin2

Sophie and Sam:

Would it be possible to implement an “edit” button in the comment section so erratic commentators like me could have some time to correct errors?

Cyndee J
Cyndee J
Jan 26, 2022 7:26 PM
Reply to  Dosamuno

Dosamuno there is an edit feature. After you post look to the far right at the bottom of your post and there should be a ‘settings’ looking wheel icon. Tap that and the word ‘edit’ shows up and you can edit away and then hit done. I use it all the time cause like you I type and post quickly and erratically:-)

mik
mik
Jan 26, 2022 8:16 PM
Reply to  Dosamuno

In right-down corner of your comment area is a flower icon for that purpose. It works until your comment is approved.

Dosamuno
Dosamuno
Jan 26, 2022 8:29 PM
Reply to  mik

Thank you Cyndee and mik!

Jas
Jas
Jan 26, 2022 6:23 PM
Reply to  Sam - Admin2

we dont need anything-we get ill and die or we get ill and dont die-man up or fuck off

Klaas
Klaas
Jan 27, 2022 7:29 AM
Reply to  Sam - Admin2

There are no “contagious” pathogens, also not the Spanish Flu. Check the experiment of 1919 where they tried to infect people…

https://sci-hub.tf/10.1001/jama.1919.02610310005002

Concerned Citizen
Concerned Citizen
Jan 26, 2022 7:06 PM
Reply to  mik

Provide a better theory that would explain contagion”

We are not required to provide a better theory in order to disprove another theory. These are not mutually exclusive.

The bottom line is that “viruses” have not actually been proven to exist nor cause any disease.

mik
mik
Jan 26, 2022 7:38 PM

You have a problem with applying logic.

No-virus theory and virus theory are mutually exclusive, basic logic, there cannot be A and not-A at the same time.

Of course, one is not required to provide a better theory, but then I ask what is his intention. Further I ask what then causes a disease, how you explain contagion. You will provide answers if you are sincere in your communication and not just jerking off your opinion.

Concerned Citizen
Concerned Citizen
Jan 26, 2022 9:10 PM
Reply to  mik

No-virus theory and virus theory are mutually exclusive, basic logic, there cannot be A and not-A at the same time.”

I agree.

“but then I ask what is his intention.”

Of proving that there is no virus? Stopping the entire pandemic and everything that comes with it. More specifically, avoiding misdiagnoses and mistreatment of people and saving lives.

causes a disease, how you explain contagion.”

What disease? and contagion? You have to be specific. Many different things make many different people ill at many different times. However, we know it’s not an invisible flying parasite. If we can agree on that then we can begin to look into other possible causes.

mik
mik
Jan 26, 2022 10:46 PM

Scamdemic and covid has to be seen as two separate things

You expect from me to be more specific, while not providing the same. Double standards.
With your rhetoric you will achieve nothing to stop this madness.

Concerned Citizen
Concerned Citizen
Jan 27, 2022 1:10 AM
Reply to  mik

You’re cool.

Klaas
Klaas
Jan 27, 2022 7:32 AM
Reply to  mik

I guess your bashing will achieve something then? 😉

Veri Tas
Veri Tas
Jan 26, 2022 9:27 PM
Reply to  mik

But there hasn’t yet been any proof that contagion is a thing. Show me the studies. – See my comment above.

Read the updated Virus Mania book which includes a chapter on Covid.

mik
mik
Jan 26, 2022 11:01 PM
Reply to  Veri Tas

I don’t know in which forest are you living and for how long that you’ve been unable to see a contagion with your own eyes, so you need studies. Be sure I will never read a book that is been recommended this way.

Klaas
Klaas
Jan 27, 2022 7:33 AM
Reply to  mik

LOL, you are so misguided, you have no idea. 🙂

You think you know it all because you think you saw something… very scientific.

Also telling people you will never read a book that contradicts your own beliefs… perhaps you should lookup cognitive dissonance. That is, if you are brave enough to overcome the cognitive dissonance preventing you from looking it up. 🙂

Klaas
Klaas
Jan 27, 2022 7:31 AM
Reply to  mik

Read the links I provided, then come back. That, or provide a link to some study that isolates a virus – without using the hoax of cultured cell tissue.

You are the one with faux logic, but you are (still) too myopic to see it.

Veri Tas
Veri Tas
Jan 26, 2022 9:24 PM
Reply to  mik

Dr Sam Bailey actually has a video out discussing that contagion has been disproven time and again, starting way back during the “Spanish” flu when mucous from sick people was transferred to healthy people and they healthy never got sick, plus many controlled experiments since then.

Klaas
Klaas
Jan 27, 2022 7:34 AM
Reply to  Veri Tas

Don’t get caught up in troll discussions like milk wants to have. It just drains your energy and leads nowhere. Ignore.

mik
mik
Jan 27, 2022 12:36 PM
Reply to  Klaas

You don’t practice what you preach.

mik
mik
Jan 27, 2022 2:25 PM
Reply to  Veri Tas

What you’ve said doesn’t falsify germ theory, but it affirms terrain theory. Germ theory and terrain theory are complementary.

Klaas
Klaas
Jan 27, 2022 7:29 AM
Reply to  mik

Aren’t hypothesis and theory kind of the same, in the sense that both are unproven? 😉

https://odysee.com/cowan-dr-tom-breaking-the-spell:c

mik
mik
Jan 27, 2022 2:18 PM
Reply to  Klaas

This is my answer to most of your replies. I choose to post it here because this reply shows you don’t understand basics.

There is a reason we have two words, hypothesis and theory, each has its own meaning. Key word in your utterance is unproven. Still, this might be your uncareful use of language.
Scientific theories cannot be proven, they can only be verified. Hume and Popper dissected this thoroughly. Things in mathematics are proven because it uses deduction, proven things are necessary true. Scientific method uses induction, on the basis of observation draws conclusions, propose theories and they can be verified by anybody. They are not necessary true, they are falsifiable.

“You think you know it all because you think you saw something… very scientific.”
No, I don’t know everything, but I know a lot. Of course you can insinuate my observations had been determined by preconceived beliefs, but the same goes for you too, therefore this is not a fruitful tactic. My lifelong observations verify germ theory, certainly you cannot say I’m unscientific.

Why would I read/watch what has been recommended? No one including you, except damer65, had been able to put down few coherent sentences summarizing what is valuable, what is the essence, in those sources. I love to see something new, new ideas, new perspectives. I’ve read/watch way to many dubious towards bs stuff presented by scientists, doctors, supposedly authorities. Even Popper, that I mentioned, is actually quite thin, sometimes just wrong, but still valuable. I don’t want to spend time and energy in vain, they are insufficient for my favourite inquiries.

Interesting, you replied to many my comments, but you didn’t reply to comments where I put forward phenomena that support germ theory. That speaks a lot. Germ theory and terrain theory are complementary.

script
script
Jan 26, 2022 4:27 PM
Reply to  mik

alternative theory. 

like a film yes..?
Set the scene
baddies in lab cooking bad stuff.
Some escape from a lab in wuytah via a wet market riding a bat.
the bat flys west infected other bats and man has sex with monkey bat which in humans makes HIV sars 2 !
They hate us for our freedoms!.
World gets locked down and magic bat vaccine appears
Case closed.

mik
mik
Jan 26, 2022 10:28 PM
Reply to  script

“….man has sex with monkey bat…..”

I exclude disgust
damn, it’s still not possible
maybe, maybe I can draw a conclusion

Klaas
Klaas
Jan 27, 2022 7:35 AM
Reply to  script

Yeah, it’s almost like those 20+ movies that have the exact same script! What a coincidence, eh? 😉

damer65
damer65
Jan 26, 2022 8:59 PM
Reply to  mik

The alternative theory is Terrain theory, where it is proposed that its not a virus or a microbe being the problem but the health status or immune function of the person who is “infected” by it. This could be explained to some degree by those who are apparently asymptomatic carriers, i.e. they apparently test positive for the virus or microbe but don’t have any symptoms and are mostly or completely unaffected. It is only when a person’s immune function over-reacts to the infecting agent there is a problem e.g. inflamatory response, hence the person’s bodily or immune “Terrain” is the problem. Apparently a healthy fully functioning immune system keeps many adverse activities including cancer under tight regulating control.
Germ theory and Terrain theory were are opposing theories proposed by Pasteur and Bechamp. Of course Germ theory is much more convenient for the highly developed and powerful medical industrial complex, since it provides the perfect “fear factor” and the strong belief that only pharmaceuticals can combat these invisible enemies. On the other hand teaching people how to be healthy with good habits, lifestyles and diet choices is not so profitable or providing great opportunities for invasive control.

mik
mik
Jan 26, 2022 10:17 PM
Reply to  damer65

Thank you, finally I got something to chew.

I think no one who actually know something about health, even MDs, claim that if you get a germ you will certainly get sick. Ok, scamdemic propaganda maybe changed this to worse.

Germ and Terrain theories are complementary.

If germ theory is discarded I see no way to explain contagion.
Also, how to explain in terrain theory that occasionally people get sick at the same period of time and have similar towards the same symptoms. In terrain theory one would expect greater variability of symptoms.

Haris
Haris
Jan 27, 2022 7:22 AM
Reply to  mik

Between any living organisms there is exchange of infromation through rna and dna. There is laso sxchange of energy but that’s another discussion. So there are some signals when someone gets sick for body detoxification. If the other organisms doesn’t need detoxifying doesn’t get “ill”.
Now we know that parasites are contagious. But most diseases are endogenous, the viruses or exosomes areproduced from the cells to complete aspecific mission. But, there is maybe truth in contagion through false information and genetic manipulation, again only in thosepeople that are already in weakened state because of bad nutriton, bad air, etc..,.
Bacteria and viruses actually are dead matter and toxins decomposers. This theory iscall toxemia. John Tilden
The truth is they haven’s proved contagion by applying rivers postulates neither in covid nor ion other pandemics especially aids. That’s not debatable.

mik
mik
Jan 27, 2022 4:28 PM
Reply to  Haris

“Bacteria and viruses actually are dead matter…”

Bacteria dead matter, man, that claim is just patently wrong.

“…..they haven’s proved contagion….”

Contagion is about observation, verifying observation and certainly not about proving.

You know what is “contagious” too?
Many people being unable to actually read a comment before replying. I put forward another phenomena that supports germ theory, try to explain it in some other way if you can.

“That’s not debatable.”

Excuse me, are you serious.

Klaas
Klaas
Jan 27, 2022 7:36 AM
Reply to  mik

I know you’re not gonna read books that prove you wrong, but perhaps you will listen to one: https://archive.org/details/BechampOrPasteurAudiobook.

😉

Nannerb
Nannerb
Jan 27, 2022 11:28 PM
Reply to  mik

Maybe watch or read some of Dr Tom Cowan’s contributions on this subject. Very interesting…

Veri Tas
Veri Tas
Jan 26, 2022 9:22 PM
Reply to  mik

Could be clusters of 5G in your area or toxic aerial spraying. Could be that your inner terrain is toxic and/or deficient in vitamins/minerals.

The Rightway
The Rightway
Jan 31, 2022 11:34 PM
Reply to  mik

OK I don’t know about no virus existing, but all so called deaths are similar in numbers to usual total flu deaths for 2 flu seasons. There’s apparently been virtually zero flu deaths for 2 winters.
I was always told there’s no cure for a virus. Well there wasn’t until hydro-c and Invermectin were found to be successful against so called Covid.
Just some thoughts.

Tim Drayton
Tim Drayton
Jan 26, 2022 11:24 AM

The presentation Mike Yeadon made to Reiner Füllmich & co on January 7. It is over two hours long. The main takeaway is that the amount of variation between the harmful effects caused by different batches of the injections as exposed from study of the VAERS data makes it statistically impossible that all batches contain the same thing.

https://www.bitchute.com/video/comlPD3cj0oe/

Kalijuga
Kalijuga
Jan 26, 2022 7:04 AM

It’s like augmented reality – you see something, then where is nothing and act like where is something.

Judith
Judith
Jan 26, 2022 1:00 AM

I’m surprised by this title. “Garbage”? That’s a bit harsh isn’t it?

Gain of function has been going on for quite awhile. In several of the tier 4 bio-labs.

It’s a matter of fact that Fauci has been funding gain of function for years in both the USA and in Wuhan. There was a moratorium on gain of function research from 2014 – 2017.

Is David E Martin all wrong about the gain of function patents he has documented?

Whether one believes in the virus or not – or believes in any of the iterations surrounding it – it does not surprise me in the least that gain of function exists, and that it might possibly be the reason for c-vid.

I think the “vaccine” is a bioweapon. It was designed and cooked up in a lab. I would imagine the same can happen with viruses.

Wow. Garbage. Harsh.

Rhys Jaggar
Rhys Jaggar
Jan 26, 2022 4:09 AM
Reply to  Judith

It was going on in far lower level containment labs over 30 years ago, when scientists were doing basic domain swap experiments to find out which parts of proteins executed which functions.

The technology is anything but new.

The murderous applications are what distinguishes the current iterations from previous honorable discoveries.

Paul Vonharnish
Paul Vonharnish
Jan 26, 2022 2:54 PM
Reply to  Judith

Hello Judith: Yes. Quite harsh. An off-base avoidance of what gain of function research has already accomplished. >

Yes, it’s an old article, but a number of links are provided, and excellent points are made…

How To Kill a Whole Lot of People: Scripps Scientists Publish How They Made H7N9 Virus More Transmissible
by Janet Phelan
JUNE 18, 2017

How To Kill a Whole Lot of People: Scripps Scientists Publish How They Made H7N9 Flu Virus More Transmissible (activistpost.com)

gordan
gordan
Jan 26, 2022 12:59 AM

qui bono

gain o ro gain
balls ballderdadh piffel
bilge
human dung

did i say balls

actors act
kidders kid

satanists always lie
thats the nature of the beast

slave system

Penelope
Penelope
Jan 25, 2022 10:47 PM

For those who are not lost to dogmatism, one can find results merely by searching “Pubmed isolation of SARS Cov-2”. In less than a minute you will find results from Korea, India & Italy.

https://www.pandata.org/how-broad-is-covid-immunity/ Dr Michael Yeadon seems to think it exists since he’s written an article describing its sequence.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/labs/pmc/articles/PMC7239045/ isolation in US

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/nuccore/MT318827 SARS-CoV2 complete genome

https://www.atcc.org/microbe-products/virology/animal-viruses/coronavirus#t=productTab&numberOfResults=24  Electron photos of variants; this source supplies strains for researchers

https://www.niaid.nih.gov/research/bei-resources-repository supplies strains of many viruses including SARS-CoV2

Janey B
Janey B
Jan 26, 2022 9:03 AM
Reply to  Penelope

I guess many people took it for granted that viruses existed before the last 2 years of covid tyranny focussed us sharply on the subject.

Whether or not virology is a “thing” isn’t required to jail the murderers, there is plenty of evidence in the public arena now to do that; but now the topic has come up, it is certainly worth examining in light of the FACT none of these “viruses” has EVER been isolated, yet a “religion” and high profit industry owes it’s whole existance to it.

One that has demonstrated it has way to much power and needs to be urgently brought to heel. For good.

#TrialoftheCentury #PremeditatedMurder #CommonDesign #CrimesAgainstHumanity

Sophie - Admin1
Admin
Sophie - Admin1
Jan 26, 2022 9:28 AM
Reply to  Penelope

Bailey didn’t say no one has claimed to isolate it. So your links to those claims are irrelevant to her point. She says the claims are based on poor method and are meaningless.

Concerned Citizen
Concerned Citizen
Jan 26, 2022 5:05 PM
Reply to  Penelope

Define “virus”, “isolation”. Sequence of what? Genome of what?

entitled2
entitled2
Jan 25, 2022 10:15 PM

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damer65
damer65
Jan 25, 2022 10:38 PM
Reply to  entitled2

That’s a fairly accurate explanation of recent history.

Cognitive Dissonance
Cognitive Dissonance
Jan 26, 2022 1:50 PM
Reply to  entitled2

The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary. 

H. L. Mencken

Jiin
Jiin
Jan 25, 2022 9:15 PM

The only thing that escaped from the lab was bullsh8t!
Project Veritas still have their you tube channel up.
Others i no have farted on a live stream and their channel was taken down for medical misinformation.
No one I no trusts spook o keefe .
Gain of Function is aimed at those’s who dont Function well in the upstairs department.

Eric Bliar
Eric Bliar
Jan 25, 2022 8:12 PM

It matters not whether this particular virus ‘leaked’ from a lab or not. The arrival of an influenza virus was long planned for, and long hoped for. Everything was primed. All that was needed was something to pull the trigger. Just like shot by a lone gunman that ‘started’ WWI.

It isn’t the evil Chinese forcing us to take experimental western produced fauxxines. It is the western regimes. The same regimes that pimped the Hussein WMD scam to push the long planned for war of aggression against Iraq, with its pantomine show trial of Hussein, and the deaths of 500,000+ Iraqis.

gordan
gordan
Jan 26, 2022 1:03 AM
Reply to  Eric Bliar

eric in flu whatever does not exist
your toxic bro
that disease in you is chips cake canola oil and fizzt drinks

booze and poppers and prozac stressed adrenals

pasteur germ theory is human dung

the terrain bro bechamp terrain

Janey B
Janey B
Jan 26, 2022 9:13 AM
Reply to  Eric Bliar

+1

Pilgrim Shadow
Pilgrim Shadow
Jan 27, 2022 6:42 PM
Reply to  Eric Bliar

+1

Paul Vonharnish
Paul Vonharnish
Jan 25, 2022 7:43 PM

I don’t give a damn how “pretty” she is, because she’s pretty wrong. Gain of Function research IS well funded and very real. Covert bioresearch laboratories are located all over the world. Tens of billions of dollars have been poured into bioresearch and bio-warfare objectives in the last 30 years.

Researchers are paid for RESULTS. Not opinions or promises…

Hsuan
Hsuan
Jan 25, 2022 10:46 PM

I agree. From my perspective whether or not viruses exist is a moot point. We are dealing with a spike protein which is a pathogen that was cooked up in some lab somewhere. And it’s in the shots as well. I’ve been on this planet for 70 years and never have I seen so many people I know, both vaxed and un-vaxed, who are getting pretty sick. Even so, I will continue to remain un-vaxed after carefully weighing the risk-to-benefit ratio of the shots.

Tom
Tom
Jan 26, 2022 2:22 AM
Reply to  Hsuan

Could it be the spike protein is in the shots but not actually “out there” like a virus is supposed to be?

To my mind, people getting sick is nothing new, but when you create the idea that they’ve now got something new to fear and make it big, and tell them that they cannot be with people close to them, and that they’ve got to wear stupid masks and lock themselves up and that they cannot go to work; then it ups their stress levels, and they keep thinking they would be coming down with something. It’s not a healthy way to live.

Whether she’s pretty or not is the moot point. They said they have a virus, but they never proved it exists. Gain of function could be real, but did they produce the super bioweapon they intended? Nope, they didn’t… especially if you were to accept the idea that the virus exists but has a 99.7% recovery rate across all ages anyway, which is the same as human life expectancy.

Janey B
Janey B
Jan 26, 2022 9:18 AM
Reply to  Tom

Exactly, and…they won’t do anything that will really endanger themselves.

Smoke and mirrors work so well on a population trained to suspend it’s disbelief by decades of Hollywood propaganda. 😏

And as they have NOW proven, the shots are doing the damage.

Lizzyh7
Lizzyh7
Jan 27, 2022 12:55 AM
Reply to  Janey B

Yup. Why take the risk of releasing anything truly fatal which could blow back on them, when all that is needed is mass hypnosis of a population already primed to accept whatever bullshit they are told? I tend to think the GOF was used for the shots, but at this point, can any of us really KNOW what these lunatics are doing? No. At least not yet. Whether we ever will or not, now that’s the question worth pondering, the rest is more than likely distraction and white hot noise. If it didn’t work so well, they would not do it.

Janey B
Janey B
Jan 27, 2022 2:21 AM
Reply to  Lizzyh7

Reiner Fuellmich and the Corona Investigative Committee have a pretty good idea, with evidence to prove it. #PremeditatedMurder

#TrialoftheCentury

Video: Trial of the Century

Hsuan
Hsuan
Jan 27, 2022 4:45 PM
Reply to  Tom

Could it be the spike protein is in the shots but not actually “out there” like a virus is supposed to be?

Possibly. Personally, I’m convinced that the spike protein is in the shots – or I should say that the synthetic mRNA in the shots carries the code to produce a synthetic spike protein.

Concerned Citizen
Concerned Citizen
Jan 26, 2022 7:17 PM
Reply to  Hsuan

 From my perspective whether or not viruses exist is a moot point. “

The existence of viruses have not actually been demonstrated. That’s not a moot point it’s a legitimate scientific debate that one side does not want to engage in.

 spike protein”

You know that “spike” refers to the putative knobs that supposedly exist on viruses, right? If there is no virus (and there is no evidence there is) then there cannot be any “spike proteins”, only some synthetic proteins.

Hsuan
Hsuan
Jan 27, 2022 4:39 PM

That’s what “moot” means: “Subject to debate; arguable or unsettled.”

Whether natural or synthetic, it’s the spike protein that’s the pathogen created by the mRNA in the shots which is doing a lot of damage.

Cyndee J
Cyndee J
Jan 26, 2022 7:23 PM
Reply to  Hsuan

Don’t mean to sound adversarial but perhaps so many people are getting sick because the lockdowns, masks, social distancing, increased use of anti microbials, all weakened our immune systems which rely on daily interaction with germs to keep in fighting trim.

I guess I’m wondering primarily about the unvaxxed since there seems to be so much data coming in about the ‘vaccine’ damaging people’s natural immunity, in addition to causing heart problems and perhaps triggering cancer.

Hsuan
Hsuan
Jan 27, 2022 4:53 AM
Reply to  Cyndee J

Yes, people are getting sick from all the things you mentioned causing a lot of stress. Toss in a generous amount of fear, confusion, cognitive dissonance, you name it. Add to that the soup of electro-smog we’re bathing in and the other pollutions of our air, water and food supply. That’s a recipe for sickness.

Blind Gill
Blind Gill
Jan 25, 2022 11:05 PM

Agreed. Countries are not allowed to make offensive bio weapons on paper but they do by saying they need to create them in order to defend us against them which is obviously utter bs.

Howard
Howard
Jan 26, 2022 3:36 AM

But is this research truly “Gain of Function” if that term, as presented, consists of finding ways to get a “virus” to jump from animal to human?

Perhaps “Gain of Function” is merely a cover for what’s actually going on in these labs – a convenient cover should the biolabs be discovered. After all, trying to get a “virus” to more easily transition from animal to human sounds pretty tame compared to, say, trying to create deadly particles from scratch.

“Gain of Function” simply expedites a “natural” process which would occur on its own anyway. Plenty of room for damage control.

Nothing to see here; move along.

Janey B
Janey B
Jan 26, 2022 9:14 AM

Theranos and Elizabeth Holmes were “well funded”, but it was still a very shallow con. Funny what elites can get away with eh?

Pretty face and a whiff of money…

Sophie - Admin1
Admin
Sophie - Admin1
Jan 26, 2022 9:25 AM

You were so blinded by the beauty you don’t care about you didn’t even listen to what she was saying 😉

She specifically says GoF has many applications when it comes to bacteria etc. it’s only with regard to viruses that she claims it’s useless.

if you think researchers are paid for results you fundamentally miss the point of what government money and science-funding is for or how it works.

Or maybe a better way of putting it is – you have a very narrow understanding of what type of ‘results’ they are paying for.

fame
fame
Jan 26, 2022 9:44 AM

I have a comment in pending since sometime yesterday. I don’t follow your comment at all about science funding as it relates to what Paul wrote.

Sophie - Admin1
Admin
Sophie - Admin1
Jan 26, 2022 10:05 AM
Reply to  fame

I found your comment in spam.

Govt science/research funding is highly corrupt. It’s not about paying people to get solid results based on good science. It’s about money laundering, political advantage, embezzlement and propaganda. Paying millions for a meaningless project going nowhere is routine. As is funding crap science for political ends.

fame
fame
Jan 26, 2022 11:37 AM

Yes exactly that way from my experience. The results have nothing to do with good science but I am not sure Paul would disagree with that. Paul’s comment is very obtuse, so I had no idea where you were coming from.

Paul Vonharnish
Paul Vonharnish
Jan 26, 2022 2:42 PM

Hello Sophie – Admin1: In this case, I’m not blinded by this person’s alleged beauty at all. My initial comment was a sideways shot at other readers who seemed to go gaga over nothing related to the actual discussion…

I also disagree with the notion that gain of function research on proteins and viral DNA is a moot point. > This is one of hundreds of such articles: >

COVID-19 RNA Based Vaccines and the Risk of Prion Disease
Classen Immunotherapies, Inc., 3637 Rockdale Road, Manchester
Received: 27 December 2020; Accepted: 18 January 2021
J. Bart Classen, MD

Complete text: COVID-19 RNA Based Vaccines and the Risk of Prion Disease (scivisionpub.com)

The results I referred to go well beyond dissemination of propaganda for control of smoke and mirrors. My assertion was aimed directly at persons who perform actual gain of function research. This type of research funding should be prohibited and criminalized world-wide…

Sophie - Admin1
Admin
Sophie - Admin1
Jan 26, 2022 3:37 PM

Do they use the methodology of ‘isolation’ outlined by Dr B? Because if they do, how can the studies be worth anything? I mean, if she’s correct about that then they aren’t isolating zip, are they? So, everything they then claim to do with said (non)isolate is just so much meaningless crap – right?

Hsuan
Hsuan
Jan 27, 2022 4:58 AM

Sorry – posted below without logging in.

My (non-expert) take: They’ve been working with spike proteins for years. They have them all mapped out on computers – and that’s where the GoF takes place. They then synthesize a new spike protein based on the GoF computer model they created. Do they know how well it will work? Probably not. Which is why a recent statistical study of VAERS found that 5% of the Pfizer and Moderna batch codes have accounted for around 90% of adverse events.

Science at its worst.

https://www.howbadismybatch.com/

Art Costa
Art Costa
Jan 25, 2022 7:29 PM

Dr. Sam does a great job in unraveling the dogma of pathogenic viruses. She’s simply stated that using the scientific method which has been used countless times for uniquely identifying various germs such as bacteria, no virologist has been able to do the same (in our current case) with SARS. No one seems to be able to refute that (165 FOIA to health agencies (including CDC) around the world bears this out). They’ve had to skip the scientific method to produce a result which does not come from an identified particle they labeled SARS-CoV-2. No proof appears to exist that this pathogen exists and causes the labeled disease COVID-19, an infection with seasonal flu symptoms. On this presumption most of the human planetary systems were shutdown. What we have is at best a never proven hypothesis which has not passed the empirical scientific tests required to move it beyond that hypothetical. I can’t prove that unicorns don’t exist, but I don’t act as if they do and use it to make global policy.

Since our rulers have used this never proven virus story to manipulate most of the world’s population and shifted evermore wealth into a few hands, this is a mighty big belief in something that has no scientific foundation whatsoever.

Edith
Edith
Jan 25, 2022 6:52 PM

The whole thing always was neptune with eclipse interplay…same thing happened with aids game….getting to be a routine now it seems…seems you can play with virus mania when this interplay happens via the energies who really do determine our lives….the planets we orbit infinity with…

it would seem the people who think they rule earth or wish to manipulate life on earth understand the opportunity this gives them to play their silly games….

the last 2 yrs have simply proved to me how well the actual energies work…and how well humans respond to same…and most have no idea what drives their daily life’s…and how asleep they really are…

Dosamuno
Dosamuno
Jan 25, 2022 7:23 PM
Reply to  Edith
Dosamuno
Dosamuno
Jan 25, 2022 7:26 PM
Reply to  Dosamuno

“Obscurantist nonsense” is more accurate.

richard
richard
Jan 25, 2022 10:05 PM
Reply to  Edith

What was it Kenny Everett said?
Something like: “I can see Uranus through a telescope”.

Howard
Howard
Jan 26, 2022 3:42 AM
Reply to  Edith

A lot more sensible than saying the rulers’ belief in Luciferian dogma or some secret society’s code did it. Planets are real; so are eclipses and all the rest.

I’ll take a real explanation over a supernatural explanation any day.

johnny conspiranoid
johnny conspiranoid
Jan 26, 2022 10:40 AM
Reply to  Howard

” rulers’ belief in Luciferian dogma or some secret society’s code did it” is not a supernatural explanation.

Dosamuno
Dosamuno
Jan 26, 2022 4:49 PM
Reply to  Howard

https://eportfolios.macaulay.cuny.edu/sciencefordessert/2011/01/13/astrology-the-pseudoscience/

“Planets are real; so are eclipses and all the rest.”

Yes. Planets, eclipses, stars, moons, comets, and meteors are real. They are the objects of interest in the science called astronomy.

Astrology, is a pseudoscience that has no validity. The nearest star, Proxima Centauri, is 4.2 light years away.  One light year equals about 5,878,600,000,000 miles—almost 6 trillion. So Proxima Centauri is about 24 trillion miles from earth.

If you had a spaceship that could travel at a million miles an hour, it would take 24 million hours to get to Proxima Centauri

4.2 light years also means that it takes the light from Proxima Centauri 4.2 years to reach earth. That when you look at Proxima Centauri, you’re looking at it as it was 4.2 years ago.

Most stars are tens, thousands, or tens of thousand light years away. Do you really believe that they can affect your personality?

Astrology is entertainment for the dimwitted. I do not think that you are dimwitted, David.  Other commenters, I’m not so sure about.

Dosamuno
Dosamuno
Jan 26, 2022 4:51 PM
Reply to  Dosamuno

I meant “Howard”, not “David”.
I wish this site had an “edit” button.

I repeat loudly, “Astrology is bullshit!”

SO-SO
SO-SO
Jan 26, 2022 9:46 AM
Reply to  Edith

Over 80% of the people are brainwashed on this site they believe in voting still!
or follow any old shit like yeadon or what a Load Of Moloney bob baloney or pied piper corbins or trump! l
they cant see no vax from a rubber AFGHAN plane on a runway!
Dosamuno posts that one link as her only source of a explanation LOL
and gets a stiffly about Dr SAM. (read her creepy post below)
They our fully moon struck

Keep posting Edith

Dosamuno
Dosamuno
Jan 26, 2022 4:52 PM
Reply to  SO-SO

Well, we can’t all be as educated and as intelligent as you, SO-SO.

SO-SO
SO-SO
Jan 26, 2022 5:05 PM
Reply to  Dosamuno

am not the brightest.

but do no a full moon effects people animals plants water etc

not rocket science

Dosamuno
Dosamuno
Jan 26, 2022 5:18 PM
Reply to  SO-SO

We agree on something.
The sun and moon (and meteors, if they hit the earth) are the only bodies in the solar system that directly affect life.
The stars and the other planets do not.

Pilgrim Shadow
Pilgrim Shadow
Jan 27, 2022 6:53 PM
Reply to  Dosamuno

“The stars and the other planets do not.”

They might.

fame
fame
Jan 25, 2022 6:33 PM

It seems there is much evidence that people dying of covid-19 were not dying of respiratory symptoms like the flu. While it has been said on these pages many times that many deaths were due to protocols, little has been said of the clinical diagnosis akin to hypoxia and hypersensitivity pneumonitis said to have been associated with the first wave covid deaths. Hypoxia and hypersensitivity pneumonitis symptoms are often caused by poisons, allergens and biological or synthetic toxins.

https://www.orwell.city/2022/01/nanoribbons.html

https://www.globalresearch.ca/our-species-genetically-modified-witnessing-humanity-march-toward-extinction-viruses-friends-not-foes/5763670

https://odysee.com/@Corona-Investigative-Committee:5/Dr-Shankara-Chetty-session-82-en:5

NixonScraypes
NixonScraypes
Jan 25, 2022 6:11 PM

Maybe, many thousands of years ago, there was a “Project Pandora”.

hodgicus
hodgicus
Jan 25, 2022 6:06 PM

 😆  😆  😆  😆  😆  😆  😆  😆  😆  😆  😆 
C’mon. Seriously? Rubes.

George Mc
George Mc
Jan 25, 2022 5:32 PM

On the plastic rebellion fraud:

https://shadowrunners.substack.com/p/how-the-system-co-opts-your-desire

In retrospect, this was probably one of the most important lessons I’ve ever had through all of my years of public education. Indeed, that is precisely how their “democracy” works. You go through the ritualized motions and put your name on a little ballot, you air your grievances and get to feel like you’re part of the power process for a moment. Then some mid-level manager with a pathetic vestige of actual authority throws it all in the garbage with a wry smile.

Note also the very relevant puke-inducing Richard Murphy tweet. Fucking pathetic.

Penelope
Penelope
Jan 25, 2022 9:55 PM
Reply to  George Mc

George Mc, I found the shadowrunners link to be nothing but an out-of-focus bitch session. If one wishes to improve the political situation it is necessary to name specific evils, and at least SOME suggestion as to their solution.

I personally suggest that we should agitate for the following:

–all ballots in all elections to be counted publicly at the polling places
–legislation which makes untruthful media liable to lose its license
–compulsory wider distribution of media ownership and control

In more general terms I cannot see how we can ever see an improvement in the human situation while a handful of people own or control the means of our survival. While people are reluctant to discuss the criteria by which a redistribution of wealth and property is to be accomplished any real progress towards liberty or self-actualization seems impossible.
THIS is the business of those who fancy themselves intellectual leaders– not some erudite, vague rant.

Watt
Watt
Jan 26, 2022 12:11 AM
Reply to  Penelope

‘–all ballots in all elections to be counted publicly at the polling places’

This is an absolute must. Once the votes are counted in situ then (and only then) can they be handed on to some courier to be shipped off into the night.

Howard
Howard
Jan 26, 2022 3:47 AM
Reply to  Penelope

One problem with the third suggestion: wider media ownership would achieve nothing as long as virtually everything is now “owned” by Black Rock, Vanguard, State Street and a few other super hedge funds.

A better bet would be public ownership of media – and by public I don’t mean government: I mean the people themselves. Still open to corruption of course; but not as entrenched.

johnny conspiranoid
johnny conspiranoid
Jan 26, 2022 10:44 AM
Reply to  Penelope

So licensed media and a government body to decide who is telling the truth. Sounds like a free press to me! Or not.

Bob the bum
Bob the bum
Jan 29, 2022 4:37 AM
Reply to  Penelope

Representative democracy is a proxy voting system.The ballot is like a blank cheque, and with preferential voting one’s opinions are even further removed from the decision making process. Voting for or against representatives instead of for or against actual decisions and legislation is undemocratic.
And you can’t build a democracy out of morons as an ignorant majority will rarely choose wise leaders or good ideas.
Unbiased media is crucially important but is impossible with corporate or government ownership.
The redistribution of wealth can only begin when the majority stop admiring the rich i.e. if it becomes socially unacceptable to pursue limitless wealth.

George Mc
George Mc
Jan 25, 2022 5:18 PM

NY Times:

How to Find a Quality Mask (and Avoid Counterfeits)

Knowing which mask to pick and making sure it’s not a fake requires the sleuthing skills of a forensic investigator. Our guide can help.

By the curiously named Tara Parker-Pope

The fast-spread of the infectious Omicron variant has prompted many people to try to upgrade to a higher-quality mask.

Really Tara? Or did you just make that up in your hack factory whilst ferreting around for more and more desperate ways to pad out this frankly boring shite?

Dosamuno
Dosamuno
Jan 25, 2022 4:51 PM

Normally when I don’t understand something, I look for an expert whom I trust and ask for his or for her opinion on the issue. But what does one do when the experts disagree on an issue?

I am convinced that the COVID injections are a new, inadequately tested technology. They demonstrably don’t work and have caused more side effects than all other vaccines in the last thirty or so years. So with vaccines, the answer is clear “No!”

But with my limited scientific background, I can’t speak with any confidence on whether or not the Corona virus exists, whether it’s caused widespread illness, or even whether, if it exists, it’s been isolated.

Doctor Sam is brilliant and charismatic, not to mention drop dead gorgeous. If she were my doctor, I’d do whatever she recommended. But there are other very smart, highly educated people whom I trust and respect who disagree with Samantha.

Fortunately, the consequences of not knowing are not grave. I’ll continue listening and reading and hopefully see how the issues are resolved.  

The most important thing is to avoid the injections, fight mandates, rail against masks, “social distancing” and other bullshit restrictions on us; and to convince friends and loved ones not to get the jab.  

Now that boosters are upon us, the last task is finally becoming a mite easier.

Frank
Frank
Jan 25, 2022 6:41 PM
Reply to  Dosamuno

I think they know full well what is in these injections they call vaccines.

I think Dr Bailey along with Dr Tom Cowan and Andrew Kaufman have blown up the idea of viruses and how we have been fishnet they exist. It’s laughable how they “prove” them and when you look at Pasteur and the history of frauds that have propped up this theory, well, it’s another trick to which we’ve all been played.

Oh, and she is gorgeous and I think it’s as much for her blond fair appearance and charm as her courage to speak out and do it with a smile. I’d do whatever she told me too, apart from tell me not to come again next week 😂

Dosamuno
Dosamuno
Jan 25, 2022 7:06 PM
Reply to  Frank

“I’d do whatever she told me too, apart from tell me not to come again next week”

Ha, ha. Amen to that.

Howard
Howard
Jan 26, 2022 3:52 AM
Reply to  Frank

See, it’s just because she’s “gorgeous” that I don’t trust her. I’m tired of these “Doctors” who look more like celebrities than real doctors.

My idea of a Doctor to at least kind of trust is Vernon Coleman.

Dosamuno
Dosamuno
Jan 26, 2022 5:26 PM
Reply to  Howard

I like and trust Dr. Coleman.
He’s a favorite in this house.
I like Samantha and I like that’s she’s attractive in many ways.
However, I disagree with her.

It’s not how someone looks; it’s (s)he says or writes.

damer65
damer65
Jan 25, 2022 7:21 PM
Reply to  Dosamuno

I’m very similar to you regarding the trying to figure out if this virus exists or not. There are some people who have definitely got very ill with something different in the last two years (and they were not vaccinated) and had problems breathing etc., so what exactly was that? I personally got a fairly bad respiratory illness from something that went around my colleagues in our office around 5 years ago, it took me a while to feel fully recovered. So, it seems very real that the so called airborne viruses do exist and get transmitted between people in close proximity or in enclosed spaces for some hours. On the other hand, I listen to Dr Sam and Dr Andrew Kaufmann who insist that there is no new virus. Also that it seems Koch’s postulates have never truly been fulfilled for any so called virus. I’ve read also that the so called SARS-Cov2 “virus” is an “in-silico” constructed genetic RNA sequence which exists only in a computer program. So if there is no virus and therefore no spike protein, what exactly is in the vaccines? Supposedly mRNA to program cells to produce the spike protein? I have to admit, that I’m still thoroughly confused about the whole thing. However, I do know one thing for sure, I will not be accepting any vaccines.

Dosamuno
Dosamuno
Jan 25, 2022 8:13 PM
Reply to  damer65

“Also that it seems Koch’s postulates have never truly been fulfilled for any so called virus. I’ve read also that the so called SARS-Cov2 “virus” is an “in-silico” constructed genetic RNA sequence which exists only in a computer program.”

Yes—this was the reason I doubted the HIV/AIDS narrative.
(AZT appears to have killed more people than the syndrome.)
And AIDS was a syndrome, not a confirmed disease.
AIDS’ diagnosis in Africa was different from the diagnosis in France.

It’s not horrible to be confused. We just need to continue to be open-minded and to listen and to read.

Penelope
Penelope
Jan 25, 2022 11:04 PM
Reply to  damer65

Koch’s postulates were invalidated in HIS time and he acknowledged it when Typhoid Marys who were not ill nevertheless communicated the illness to others.
Also Koch’s postulates are for bacteria, not viruses.

I notice that those who assert the falsity of our century-long knowledge-base concerning viruses never present arguments, but only assertion. Many insist that there is no such thing as contagion, which contradicts ordinary human experience.

Others even insist that bacteria cannot be the source of illness– that only terrain counts. But no matter how healthy one’s terrain is, one can be made ill by spoiled food or by botulism, etc. It is mere dogmatism to refuse to acknowledge that terrain and bacteria and viruses and toxins and other things can all cause illness.

Dosamuno
Dosamuno
Jan 25, 2022 11:26 PM
Reply to  Penelope

Thanks for the information on Koch’s postulates.
As to the rest of your post, I could not agree more strongly.

Barry
Barry
Jan 25, 2022 11:54 PM
Reply to  Penelope

You invert the truth there, ‘Penelope’. It’s the circular-reasoning virologists who present assertions. You go on to make several baseless assertions yourself.

Please read the following analysis of the claims of isolation:

“… the alleged “COVID-19 virus” aka “SARS-COV-2” has never been isolated/purified (as evidenced by the Methods sections in the published papers claiming to have isolated “SARS-COV-2” and by dozens of Freedom of Information responses from governments and health/science institutions around the world) – even though isolation/purification is the first step in proving that a new “virus” is causing death/disease (as per Koch’s Postulates, modified for a suspected “virus”).”

https://www.fluoridefreepeel.ca/what-the-hell-is-going-on/

damer65
damer65
Jan 26, 2022 7:36 PM
Reply to  Penelope

Koch’s postulates were never actually invalidated, more like what was happening regarding disease and Typhoid Marys was simply not fully understood.

I’m not aware of any truly valid scientific investigation which proves that viruses by themselves as a separate organic/genetic entities or particles can cause disease in otherwise healthy individuals. It is much more likely that the genetic material being detected is a cellular response to some toxic agent either ingested, inhaled, absorbed or injected in combination with reduced immune function due to stress or malnutrition or other toxins combined.

I don’t think there are even validated images of virus particles. Of course we get all kinds of computer generated images of what viruses apparently look like and photos of cell structures with inclusions, however these are not proof of existence of viruses. The word virus comes from Latin meaning poison which hints more at the true cause and the genetic material produced as a result is the scapegoat virus.

Regarding Typhoid, this is a bacterial infection not a viral infection, so would easily fulfil Koch’s postulates not invalidate them.

martha
martha
Jan 26, 2022 2:44 AM
Reply to  damer65

You know that you and others got sick. You do not know that it was not bacterial, fungal, chemical, perhaps spread through your office’s HVAC system. I have Lyme disease, which was a gain of function project where they infected rabbits with bacterial pathogens and then let ticks feed on the rabbits to infect them. Then the ticks were released and the rest is history. No idea what they were doing in Wuhan with the bats. But it didn’t have to involve viruses, assuming viruses even exist.

damer65
damer65
Jan 26, 2022 7:49 PM
Reply to  martha

I fully agree with what you’ve written there. You are absolutely right that I didn’t know if we got sick from bacterial, fungal or chemical. It’s possible that we are being mist sprayed with something, I dare not say chemtrails, which infects our airways. Also I think there are significant effects coming from vast new radiation sources from telecommunication systems, wifi, 5G which affects our immune system and how our cells use oxygen. I’ve yet to be convinced about the existence of viruses as genetic/organic particles e.g. RNA viruses etc. It seems the medical industrial complex likes to mix and match terms like parasites, bacteria and viruses in order to keep the masses confused.

James madashisson
James madashisson
Jan 25, 2022 8:27 PM
Reply to  Dosamuno

I agree there is a possibility that the sars cov 2 virus does exist and has been responsible for covid. But until it has been isolated and proven to exist, we can only speculate. Based on the evidence so far one must assume with a high degree of probability that it doesn’t.

Pilgrim Shadow
Pilgrim Shadow
Jan 25, 2022 8:39 PM
Reply to  Dosamuno

Virus or no virus, the “vaccines” are medically unnecessary.

damer65
damer65
Jan 25, 2022 10:35 PM
Reply to  Pilgrim Shadow

And that’s if they were safe and effective, which they are not.

Pilgrim Shadow
Pilgrim Shadow
Jan 26, 2022 2:14 AM
Reply to  damer65

No, they’re not, and the shots continue to be shown both unsafe and ineffective. The people promoting these things know this as well as we do, yet they continue to promote them. Why is that? What they’re doing is wholesale murder.

Lost in a dark wood
Lost in a dark wood
Jan 25, 2022 4:34 PM

The Great “Is The Virus Real?” Debate

Roll up! Roll up!

https://blog.nomorefakenews.com/2022/01/25/is-the-virus-real-steve-kirsch-suggests-a-debate
Is the virus real? Steve Kirsch suggests a debate
by Jon Rappoport
January 25, 2022

My readers know that, for the past two years, I’ve been making the case that the virus is a scientific fiction, a con, and a cover story for tyranny that would make Hitler, Stalin, and Mao blush with envy.
Recently, the question has been attracting wider coverage: Does SARS-CoV-2 exist?
Entrepreneur, inventor, and philanthropist, Steve Kirsch, says yes. He offers to set up a 5-hour live video debate. He’ll send his experts and other side will send theirs. They’ll go at it.

What about the usual form of scientific debate, called the written word?
Buckle up.
Kirsch: “I don’t think the folks I’d ask to do this would want to spend time writing papers…They don’t even have the time to prepare their own papers. Doing written documents is much more time consuming than talking because people spend the time to make it bulletproof.”
Heaven forbid.
Kirsch: “None of the people on our team require that all discussions be in writing only.”
Of course not. Why would his team of scientists insist on the method by which science is accomplished?

Etc

Lost in a dark wood
Lost in a dark wood
Jan 25, 2022 4:49 PM

I’ll state my position on this. The DNA data the CCP released in early 2020 is most likely a digital fiction. There may have been some corona variant(s) which got released from Wuhan (it probably happens regularly), but with regard to its population-wide impact, it’s a dud. Consequently, I really couldn’t give a fuck either way.

entitled2
entitled2
Jan 25, 2022 10:18 PM

thanks for telling us i will sleep better now knowing this

Lost in a dark wood
Lost in a dark wood
Jan 25, 2022 11:28 PM
Reply to  entitled2

that’s good!

Joe Van Steenbergen
Joe Van Steenbergen
Jan 25, 2022 4:49 PM

I followed Kirsch’s calling for a 5-hour debate, as well, and I honestly cannot figure it out; none of what he’s doing makes sense if the goal is to establish whether or not a virus exists. Such a debate would accomplish nothing, other than to elevate Kirsch’s visibility. I think he stuck his neck out a bit too far on this subject and he’s hoping to find a way to ensure he doesn’t lose his head (or credibility); the debate could give him a way out, meaningless as it would be scientifically. I think he’s wrong, he knows he might be wrong, and he’s looking for a way to save face.

James madashisson
James madashisson
Jan 25, 2022 8:33 PM

Yes if he know he might be wrong how is a debate going to help him save face, and at this point does he need to save face for something?

Concerned Citizen
Concerned Citizen
Jan 25, 2022 11:01 PM

 how is a debate going to help him save face”

because he knows no one is gonna debate him live for 5 hours. Scientific debates do not work like that. It’s simply an incorrect format for that kind of discussion.

“here’s a 50 page paper that explains how they did the isolation…say what? you don’t want to read it right now??? that’s too bad, you lost, I won hahaha”

It’s never gonna happen and he knows it. This is an attempt to save face without addressing any of the issues.

damer65
damer65
Jan 25, 2022 7:26 PM

I have to admit that even after reading your comment, I still feel like I’m Lost in a dark wood.

George Mc
George Mc
Jan 25, 2022 3:48 PM

Oh dear, Eric Clapton has bashed the vaccine mantra, calling it mass hypnosis and the Independent with its lofty infinite objectivity tells us that everyone in the entire world is angry because EC has insulted the 20 million who died of covid in the last microsecond. Oh why can’t he be like Saint Neil Young?

Tom Larsen
Tom Larsen
Jan 25, 2022 4:23 PM
Reply to  George Mc

Because he is vaccine injured.

Victor G.
Victor G.
Jan 25, 2022 9:03 PM
Reply to  Tom Larsen

Because he doesn’t wear baggy wool shirts with checked patterns

Victor G.
Victor G.
Jan 25, 2022 9:03 PM
Reply to  Tom Larsen

Because he knows how to play the guitar

Tom Larsen
Tom Larsen
Jan 25, 2022 9:38 PM
Reply to  Victor G.

Clapton knows how to play guitar and (yet?) he accepted the “vaccine mantra” and got the jab. It was his vaccine injury that changed his mind and led him to become a critic of the Narrative.

Reachable Spike
Reachable Spike
Jan 25, 2022 3:20 PM

An important overlooked truth is “What the hand of man creates, the hand of man has to maintain.” Nature will maintain the woods behind your house, for instance, but it won’t maintain your house, and it won’t maintain your car. This is bluntly obvious, and it applies to everything.

In the early days of genetically engineered organisms a study was done. Three fields of various crops were planted side by side, so that they grew under identical conditions. In one field would be planted seeds of a non-hybridized (wild) crop of a certain species. In the second field would be planted a conventional hybrid of the same species. In the third field would be planted a GMO of that species. After planting, those performing the study did nothing (except observe) for ten years.

After ten years the fields of wild crops were still going quite strong without any human intervention. The fields of conventional hybrids, however, died out after only three or four years. And the GMO fields were dead after only one year — they didn’t replant themselves at all.

Your Yorkshire Terrier or your St. Bernard, bred by humans, wouldn’t make it if you were to cast them out (unless other humans took them in). They are helpless.

Viruses are non-living, but even so, they arise in response to organisms that are living. If you were to “engineer” or attempt to speed a virus’ change by introduction and isolation in a laboratory, once you let it out of the laboratory it would go nowhere, because it arose in response only to your hand.

That’s why I’ve never taken any lab leak theory seriously.

moneycircus
moneycircus
Jan 25, 2022 4:17 PM

Saint Terrier. Should be our boss. Pending admission.

Reachable Spike
Reachable Spike
Jan 25, 2022 6:09 PM
Reply to  moneycircus

Ha ha. A St. Terrier. I don’t think they could pull it off (unless we helped them.) I’d love to see what it would look like, though.

Molinos
Molinos
Jan 25, 2022 2:02 PM

Gain a function could be good advice to young people. Get skilled up with something that will be necessary in the future… eh… like tech engineer or film, game or funeral director…

moneycircus
moneycircus
Jan 25, 2022 4:18 PM
Reply to  Molinos

Like mechanic to a bike. The disconnect is mind-bending. Pending.

Thomas Frey
Thomas Frey
Jan 25, 2022 1:54 PM

Gain of function for a illness that has a 99.9% survival rate?
No proof that the claimed SARS-2 is a real virus. Current gnome is an extrapolated computer model. No verified or certified virus isolate per Koch’s Postulates.
While the money connection to Wuhan is real, that is about it. Makes for a good war drum for the war pigs.

Tom Larsen
Tom Larsen
Jan 25, 2022 9:45 PM
Reply to  Thomas Frey

I think a good argument can be made that the Lab Leak Theory is a limited hangout.

Denis Rancourt has claimed that the data show an unacknowledged pneumonia epidemic that occurred in 2020 that may have been caused/exacerbated by lockdowns but otherwise, judging from the all-cause mortality data, no pandemic occurred.

Tom
Tom
Jan 26, 2022 2:27 AM
Reply to  Thomas Frey

My stance exactly.

Mr Y
Mr Y
Jan 25, 2022 1:45 PM

With a species as gullible as humans, who needs gain of function …

Edwige
Edwige
Jan 25, 2022 1:09 PM

More back-peddling:

“it is unlikely to be necessary, financially viable or desirable to deliver booster vaccines to whole populations regularly… “.

They seem to have realised this vista of endless boosters they painted was a disastrous mistake. Of course they’re also leaving themselves plenty of wriggle room for what they think they might be able to get away with in the future with faded memories and new fear angles.

https://dumptheguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/jan/25/vaccines-best-weapon-covid-boosters

SO-SO
SO-SO
Jan 25, 2022 11:26 AM

James O’Keeffe was called out as a spook back in 2017.
The level of intelligence of  Project Veritas viewers is low. Borderline retardation!
You can flog them any old shit!

El Zafio
El Zafio
Jan 25, 2022 4:22 PM
Reply to  SO-SO

Some of these guys are really good. David Martin comes to mind, Yeadon, etc.
Back in university we were supposed to prank first year students with made up characters and stories. Takes a talent to do it well to grown-ups.

George Mc
George Mc
Jan 25, 2022 11:13 AM

Neil Young now wants his music pulled from Spotify unless the latter pull Joe Rogan with his “vax mosinformarion”. The entire media following with their ferocious pro-vax certainty. I used to like NY but he can fuck off forever now!

Seamus Padraig
Seamus Padraig
Jan 25, 2022 11:36 AM
Reply to  George Mc

That’s sad. I was a huge Neil Young fan too. But according to Altiyan Childs, he’s a Mason, so maybe that explains it. 🙁

Tom Larsen
Tom Larsen
Jan 25, 2022 4:38 PM
Reply to  Seamus Padraig

The music stands on its own, this isn’t just true for NY, but of the thousands of musicians that have fallen for the Covid scam. I am less inclined to listen to artists who have publicly promoted the Covid vax scam as well. However, I acknowlegde that the quality of the music is a separate issue to the artist’s gullibility to the scam. As for explanations, I think you are looking in the wrong place.

Victor G.
Victor G.
Jan 25, 2022 9:11 PM
Reply to  Tom Larsen

Folks, Neil had his day and made the most of it. An early woker, you might say …
Love or hate his music, he’s in Alzheimer’s territory now. Who ever minds him needs to attend to his, ahh, “legacy”.

Tom Larsen
Tom Larsen
Jan 25, 2022 11:09 PM
Reply to  Victor G.

Is Tom Morrello in “Alzheimer’s territory” too? He’s a generation younger and has bought the scam as well (while trying desperately to cling to his rebel brand). There’s plenty of evidence that susceptibility to the Covid scam is not about intelligence or stupidity, not about mastery or non-mastery. If there is one criteria that explains it more than any other, it is class. The higher you are on the economic scale, the more likely you will buy into it. Are working class people more incredulous than those higher in income? When it comes to the actions of the powerful, yes they are!

CostadelSomerset
CostadelSomerset
Jan 26, 2022 1:07 PM
Reply to  Tom Larsen

Agree with the overall point about class, but I wonder if there’s also a multiplying factor at work.

For people like myself; no family, career, house etc. – the social ‘losers’ if you will – there seems to have been far less inclination to believe anything about a pandemic. Several people I know have had severe psychiatric problems in the past despite coming from privileged backgrounds. They also seem to have been immune to the propaganda. Perhaps their previous experience of the medical profession provided the ‘antibodies’.

Without hate, without fear, without hope.

Tom Larsen
Tom Larsen
Jan 26, 2022 4:47 PM

Thanks for your reply.

RE: …but I wonder if there’s also a multiplying factor at work.

Can you elaborate a bit on what you mean?

siamdave
siamdave
Jan 25, 2022 11:41 AM
Reply to  George Mc

just more proof that people who believe in covid have a clear shortage of functioning brain cells – if Young thinks there is any competition between him and Rogan in the popularity sweepstakes, he’s in for a bit of a shock ..

Bob the Hod
Bob the Hod
Jan 25, 2022 11:43 AM
Reply to  George Mc

Somehow, I think Joe Rogan, with his 50 odd million plays per week, has a bigger pull than Neil Young on Spotify, and money talks.

JoeC
JoeC
Jan 25, 2022 12:23 PM
Reply to  George Mc

Just deleted him off my music collection. It took 2 seconds to complete the process. That’s how easy it is nowadays. I’ve been doing that a lot lately.

George Mc
George Mc
Jan 25, 2022 12:56 PM
Reply to  George Mc

It makes a sad sense in that Joan Baez painted a loving portrait of the Fauci gnome. If Mr Dylan joins in then that would be the last nail in the coffin. Thank God for Van Morrison!

Victor G.
Victor G.
Jan 25, 2022 9:13 PM
Reply to  George Mc

Mr. Zimmerman appears to have just sold his catalogue …

Corarden
Corarden
Jan 25, 2022 12:57 PM
Reply to  George Mc

Calling Rogan ‘a sentient tub of whey powder’ is bloody hilarious though…if indeed he did, and it wasn’t a clever meme creator

Dosamuno
Dosamuno
Jan 25, 2022 4:58 PM
Reply to  Corarden

Don’t like ad-hominem attacks myself.

Legless
Legless
Jan 25, 2022 2:10 PM
Reply to  George Mc

Oh the irony!
We’re all junkies now.
[youtube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=49M10VIXPk4&w=907&h=510%5D

El Zafio
El Zafio
Jan 25, 2022 4:12 PM
Reply to  George Mc

Suspiciously late to the party Rogan and Omicron-Malone? They are virus narrative peddlers. Young is right on his hunch, he just got his reasoning backwards.

James madashisson
James madashisson
Jan 25, 2022 8:54 PM
Reply to  El Zafio

Exactly Maybe. As the narrative falls apart, a new one is injected. Madness.

Dosamuno
Dosamuno
Jan 25, 2022 4:56 PM
Reply to  George Mc

Thanks for the information, George. I’m angry with Neil.
However, Bach, Mozart, and Schubert all believed in God.
I still listen to them despite their ignorance, so I probably won’t throw away my Neil Young records either.

George Mc
George Mc
Jan 25, 2022 5:13 PM
Reply to  Dosamuno

Oh I am in perfect agreement re: the NY legacy. How can you hate a guy who wrote “Cortez The Killer”?

Dosamuno
Dosamuno
Jan 25, 2022 5:40 PM
Reply to  George Mc

And “Ohio”—to mention just two great songs among many.

James madashisson
James madashisson
Jan 25, 2022 8:56 PM
Reply to  Dosamuno

Last trip to Tulsa

Victor G.
Victor G.
Jan 25, 2022 9:15 PM
Reply to  Dosamuno

Indeed, there’s nothing to be gained in “hating” a hypocrite.

James madashisson
James madashisson
Jan 25, 2022 8:56 PM
Reply to  George Mc

Or ‘words’

James madashisson
James madashisson
Jan 25, 2022 8:55 PM
Reply to  Dosamuno

I’m sad about Neil, could never hate his music.

Pilgrim Shadow
Pilgrim Shadow
Jan 25, 2022 8:49 PM
Reply to  George Mc

I guess he really didn’t see “the needle and the damage done”.

David Ho
David Ho
Jan 25, 2022 10:45 AM

Gain of function is when you take an organism like a political leader or media owner and infuse dollars into a pocket located on or near the body of said organism causing it to perform, or function better or differently, often to generate a whole lot more dollars.

NickM
NickM
Jan 25, 2022 1:07 PM
Reply to  David Ho

Rightly art thou named Ho. Here’s to thee, with a big Ho Ho and a big Ha Ha:)

Dylan Jones
Dylan Jones
Jan 25, 2022 10:16 AM

I like Dr Sam. However I’m not convinced by the pathogenic viruses don’t exist line of reasoning. I think that is the supreme distraction, an UNlimited hangout.

Science has no “direct” evidence for the existence of many things.
So what?

It relies on indirect evidence, chains of inference and deduction most of the time when dealing with tiny things.

For example, no one has “direct” evidence of an oxygen atom. No one denies oxygen exists. Show me a picture of an actual oxygen atom.

The legal system actually relies on circumstantial evidence – most convictions are based on it, contrary to popular belief.

I think that is why TPTB suppress this stuff with such enthusiasm, they WANT skeptical people to go down that alley.

I agree that CV symptoms resemble those of the flu. How does that disprove the existence of the CV? 10% of flu viruses ARE CVs already. Does Dr Sam deny the existence the pathogenic flu virus?

Why create a spike protein and then PRETEND that it was attached to a fictional virus anyway? What a waste of time!

Why design a viral vector vaccine with a fictional adenovirus vector as Astrazeneca did? Surely they should have followed Pfizer in using a lipid nanoparticle if only for economic reasons if this no virus narrative was correct.

I agree that the Spike protein and its code was manufactured. But this technology was reverse-engineered from real viruses not invented from scratch.

I also agree that the spike protein and its code injected with other nasty ingredients into the arms of unwitting dupes is the real bioweapon.

However I don’t deny the existence of gain of function viruses that can be released anywhere near a biolab, not just Wuhan. They mutate quickly into more benign forms as Luc Montagnier attests but they are real to begin with.

Jesper
Jesper
Jan 25, 2022 10:44 AM
Reply to  Dylan Jones

If someone would try to sell you the idea that oxygen is pathogenic (aren’t they in a sense?) and then proceed to charge the public for purified breathing air by mandate (that’s just absurd right?!) they better be damn able to provide sound scientific evidence for such a claim. Indirect evidence are for those interested and invested in scientism.

Dylan Jones
Dylan Jones
Jan 25, 2022 3:17 PM
Reply to  Jesper

Oxygen can be toxic, it’s actually a radical but also essential for life.
It would of course be absurd to mandate purified oxygen – it would still be toxic.
And of course I am against the mandates.
I am simply stating that just as the oxygen exists, so does the virus.

Jesper
Jesper
Jan 25, 2022 5:47 PM
Reply to  Dylan Jones

Surely one would need to validate that claim with something more than a bad comparison, I think.
You are correct about the properties of oxygen (as far as I’m concerned) but to be exact I specifically wrote breathing air. And I don’t imply you’re backing mandates. No, no and no.

mgeo
mgeo
Jan 25, 2022 10:45 AM
Reply to  Dylan Jones

Why design a viral vector vaccine with a fictional adenovirus vector as Astrazeneca did?
AstraZeneca purportedly attached the spike to the vector in its jab. All authorities asked have denied isolating the virus. So, (a) where did AstraZeneca get the spike, and (b) who provided the method to attach the spike to an existing virus?

NickM
NickM
Jan 25, 2022 2:47 PM
Reply to  mgeo

(a) where did [RNA jabbers] get the spike?

(b) who provided the method to attach the spike to an existing virus?

See my reply to Dylan above:

(a) They reverse engineered the spike protein’s strong binding site to human epithelium, S1/S2, from well known human coronaviruses.

(b) Dr.Fauci funded Frankenstein Virus Labs, both in U$A and Wuhan, to attach this human lung binding site, S1/S2, to an animal coronavirus; thus creating the original “novel corona virus SARS-2” which Chinese scientists sequenced partially from the bodily fluids of flu patients in Wuhan.

Dylan Jones
Dylan Jones
Jan 25, 2022 3:21 PM
Reply to  NickM

I can’t see your reply to my comment above.

NickM
NickM
Jan 25, 2022 5:07 PM
Reply to  Dylan Jones

Hope it turns up, because it took me a long time to write and I do not have a copy. To recap, the following review article says:

“The S1/S2 site in SARS-CoV-2 forms an exposed multibasic loop (Figure 4C) composed of 77 arginine residues (31). Interestingly, this region has not been found in other SARS-CoV–related coronaviruses, but they are present in the human coronaviruses OC43, HKU1, and MERS-CoV (32). Fusion of SARS-CoV-2 with lung cells is critically dependent on the S1/S2″

https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fimmu.2021.663912/full

So, as you say, the gain of function research was to reverse engineer binding site S1/S2 from a human coronavirus and insert it into an animal coronavirus, thus creating “novel flu virus SARS-CoV-2”. They created the real virus in various Fauci funded Frankenstein Virus Labs, first in the U$A (Fort Detrick) and then in Wuhan after FortD was closed for carelessness in handling pathogens such as anthrax bacillus and flu virus.

I believe “the real, original, favourite grand” SARS-CoV-2 has died out among the general population by the usual process of mutation plus attenuation; but samples of the intact virus are still preseved in Frankenstein Virus Labs. Since these samples of intact real virus are an Official Secret, civilian virologists resort to guesswork from putting together fragmentary copies of its putative RNA sequence.

Your astute comments refer to this current exercise of synthesis by guesswork. Mine refer to the original intact Frankenstein Virus. We may know more when Russia and China get their way at the UN; they are lobbying for a UN investigation into those 100 odd U$ Bioweapons Labs dotted around Central and Eastern EurAsia.

damer65
damer65
Jan 25, 2022 7:47 PM
Reply to  NickM

Another very clear explanation of what is likely to be very close to if not the actual truth.

Dylan Jones
Dylan Jones
Feb 1, 2022 1:58 PM
Reply to  NickM

You have probably moved on by now but thanks for this NickM.

Your astute comments refer to this current exercise of synthesis by guesswork.”
So, it seems a “perfect” vaccine may have been developed based on the original reverse engineered virus. The ordinary folk would have to make do with a “vaccine” which was developed from an in-silico constructed sequence generated from the partially sequenced bodily fluids from the flu patients
I am of the opinion that the synthesis was not guesswork, but rather the covert agenda to promote and push mRNA technology that purports to insert any code it wishes onto its host without the need for an actual attenuated virus.
“Mine refer to the original intact Frankenstein Virus”
“but samples of the intact virus are still preseved in Frankenstein Virus Labs”
I agree with you that this exists. It could be stored it numerous BSL-4 labs around the planet and released into unwitting populations whenever required. Its existence is withheld from scientists outside of the loop who are led to believe the sequence they received it was “developed from an in-silico constructed sequence generated from the partially sequenced bodily fluids from the flu patients.”
I believe if the actual virus was examined by those outside of the loop, proof of its having been engineered would be incontrovertible.
This is not being allowed to happen. Rather the virus-shaped hole is being used to intentionally to drive a wedge between skeptics.
the real, original, favourite grand” SARS-CoV-2 has died out among the general population by the usual process of mutation plus attenuation”
I agree that this is what has happened also. The altered code has been selected out as Montagnier claimed it would. I add that it was possible that the roll out of 5G in Wuhan accelerated the replication of the virus but also accelerated the mutation and attenuation into more harmless versions.
I covered a lot of this back in May 2020 in this post.
https://hughboone.substack.com/p/plague-ship-red-death-resolution

damer65
damer65
Jan 25, 2022 7:38 PM
Reply to  NickM

Your reply is one of the most plausible explanations I’ve seen so far.
So it seems a “perfect” vaccine may have been developed based on the original reverse engineered virus. The ordinary folk would have to make do with a “vaccine” which was developed from an in-silico constructed sequence generated from the partially sequenced bodily fluids from the flu patients.

NickM
NickM
Jan 26, 2022 6:51 AM
Reply to  damer65

Correct. I am glad you put dubious apostrophes around “perfect vaccine”. Flu vaccines are notoriously imperfect when it comes to stopping the annual flu epidemic, because there are so many “flu” viruses and so many variants of each virus. Every summer the WHO tries to predict next winter’s likely variant, and prepares a handful of “flu shots” according to their guess. Every winter I take a regular “flu shot” to reassure my dear wife; but regular “flu shots” hardly ever stopped one or other of us catching flu over the past 50 years. Sometimes the flu was mild, some times one or other of us felt like death.

Remember all that hope about “the Coming” of “THE” vaccine? That hope was Con-19 hype. There is no such thing as THE vaccine when it comes to flu – every GP knows that from years of experience. The safest vaccine is a regular “shot” made from a judicious blend of carefully intact Old Corona viruses skillfully inactivated by traditional methods; as in Sinovac.

“Voila l’Anglais avec son sang froid habituel” — Fractured French, (Here comes that Englishman with his usual bloody cold).

Dylan Jones
Dylan Jones
Jan 25, 2022 3:19 PM
Reply to  mgeo

They didn’t attach the spike. They inserted the code for the spike into the DNA of the adenovirus vector. The adenovirus vector enters the host cell’s nucleus and alters the DNA expression according to the inserted code so that it makes spike proteins which it sticks on the surface of the cell membrane.

bachgen cymru
bachgen cymru
Jan 25, 2022 10:46 AM
Reply to  Dylan Jones

Irrelevant.

Germ Theory? Or Terrain Theory? Viruses as solvents, already inherent in our bodies, the natural byproduct of a healing/cleansing process?

I know where my gut instinct points me…in the path of least profit, and that ain’t germ theory.

However, who cares?!!

Is the point of human existence to spend your days worrying about nonsense 19, or the possibility of microscopic virions floating in the air, as deadly as a homing missile?

No…life is FRAUGHT with danger. Yet we get up, work, pay the bills, and hope for something better.

Vaccine passports. Division within the family. Lost best friends. Fear of maskless entry into premises in case it kicks off. Abandoned elderly. Neglect. Nefarious activity with a drug used in execution processes. The onset of fully digital currencies. The removal of a lovely two week holiday to recharge because you refuse to be tested for nonsense 19, refuse to be muzzled and refuse point blank to allow that SHIT into your system, spike protein or adenovirus, who cares?! Lonely patients in hospitals while nurses practice their dance moves. Insolvent SMEs. A generation of children sitting in classrooms with OPEN windows in January, wearing muzzles for something, IF it exists, will affect them as much as a fart will. Austrian mandates. Medical prejudice. Scared but brave workers holding out before THEIR mandates kick in…

How about discussing the word ‘mandate’ and pulling at the thread of just how ‘lawful’ or ‘legal’ to be mandated is? To consent, or not to consent? If you don’t consent, is that the end of the sadistic browbeating?

We are beyond your argument, Dylan. You’re still arguing about the cheating hand at poker, while the rest of the table has banked their chips and moved on.

Claire Walkiden
Claire Walkiden
Jan 25, 2022 11:38 AM
Reply to  bachgen cymru

Brilliant reply…we’ll said!

jimbojames
jimbojames
Jan 25, 2022 11:40 AM
Reply to  bachgen cymru

Your definition of Life (“…we get up, work, pay the bills and hope for something better”) is sad.

Don’t worry. You are not alone.

Dylan Jones
Dylan Jones
Jan 25, 2022 3:29 PM
Reply to  bachgen cymru

You are beyond the strawman argument you have set up in place of mine. I am also beyond this strawman argument. Instead of knocking about a straw mannequin with no likeness to myself and claiming victory why don’t you read what I actually wrote?

Terrain theory does not deny the existence of germs, it simply puts them in context. Terrain theory is not “no virus” theory.

I don’t spend my days worrying about nonsense.I am not a germ obsessive compulsive Howard Hughes type. I am simply saying viruses exist because they do.

I hold that they are essential to human ecology.

I am not obsessed with the cheating hand at poker. I make the same arguments you make about consent, division fear-mongering etc.
I noted myself that the whole virus/no virus debate is a supreme distraction.

Did you watch the video or have you moved on from that as well?

Dosamuno
Dosamuno
Jan 25, 2022 5:02 PM
Reply to  Dylan Jones

“Instead of knocking about a straw mannequin with no likeness to myself and claiming victory why don’t you read what I actually wrote?”

Because sadly a few Off-Guardians are as intolerant to any challenge to their no-virus, no epidemic orthodoxy as Fauci and Gates are to theirs. I think whoever gave you a down vote is petty. Your opinion is well expressed, polite, and plausible.

James madashisson
James madashisson
Jan 25, 2022 9:23 PM
Reply to  Dosamuno

Its true about the few off-guardians, although it doesn’t matter because the point is, it hasn’t been isolated

Lizzyh7
Lizzyh7
Jan 25, 2022 6:58 PM
Reply to  bachgen cymru

+10

rememberingmonkey
rememberingmonkey
Jan 26, 2022 12:04 AM
Reply to  bachgen cymru

As I read down through this thread, I was coming to a similar conclusion. There are moments in history that make this present time look like an afternoon tea on the Champs Elysees. We are the generation who ‘have not known war’ We are so blessed and we are of all people the least aware of it. Find someone authentically in need and help.

les online
les online
Jan 27, 2022 11:52 PM
Reply to  bachgen cymru

+ 100

les onlime
les onlime
Jan 25, 2022 10:47 AM
Reply to  Dylan Jones

The Catechism i was required to learn by heart when very young and attending Catholic school began with the assumption God existed.

rememberingmonkey
rememberingmonkey
Jan 26, 2022 12:48 AM
Reply to  les onlime

Thankfully there is irréfutable evidence as well.

red lester
red lester
Jan 25, 2022 11:54 AM
Reply to  Dylan Jones

Besides, the answer is pointless anyway.

If there is a ‘new bug’ – has a circus been invented to profit from it? Yes. Have lots of excess deaths been caused by either: the measures, gov and media; incompetent medicine; the illness?? At least 2 out of 3 are easy to prove:

https://rumble.com/embed/vqjwua/?pub=4

Dylan Jones
Dylan Jones
Jan 25, 2022 3:34 PM
Reply to  red lester

Although I don’t agree that the answer is pointless I do agree with the rest of your argument and as I stated, the whole debate is a supreme distraction.

NickM
NickM
Jan 25, 2022 2:17 PM
Reply to  Dylan Jones

Dylan agrees that the spike protein in SARS-CoV-2 virus (which caused “novel flu Covid-19”) was synthesised in a lab; but he adds that it must have been reversed engineered from a real virus. The following review article confirms that binding site S1/S2 (through which SARS-CoV-2 binds to human lungs) is not found in other SARS-CoV but is found in some human corona viruses. So how did human lung binding site S1/S2 get into animal virus SARS-CoV-2 without gain of function research?

“The S1/S2 site in forms an exposed multibasic loop (Figure 4C) composed of 77 arginine residues (31). Interestingly, this region has not been found in other SARS-CoV–related coronaviruses [my italics, NGM] but they are present in the human coronaviruses OC43, HKU1, and MERS-CoV (32). Fusion of SARS-CoV-2 with lung cells is critically dependent on the S1/S2 cleavage site.”

https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fimmu.2021.663912/full

dr death
dr death
Jan 25, 2022 2:53 PM
Reply to  Dylan Jones

well… subscribing to what passes for logic in your dubious thesis, would require imbecile kind to accept that anything can be named or ascribed a function, irregardless of whether there is in fact any evidence to support it…

a flawed and useless (scientifically speaking) Modus Operandi that presumes coincidence to correllation and correlation to causation….if the bedrock of such an approach is merely comparison of circumstantial evidence, I’m afraid all you are left with is at best merely propaganda, scientism or quackery.. and strangely enough even though you avoided that obvious conclusion..

it must surely be a fools errand wouldn’t you agree?…

Dylan Jones
Dylan Jones
Jan 25, 2022 3:36 PM
Reply to  dr death

No I wouldn’t. Your post is thinly disguised verbal abuse and so warrants no further response.

dr death
dr death
Jan 26, 2022 2:15 PM
Reply to  Dylan Jones

I am in no way abusing you, so can only surmise you have no response ..

presumably you think that unproven ‘theories’ (postulations yet to be proven) are sufficient a ‘system’ to ‘deliver’ solutions, this mindset however, wouldn’t get you very far if you theorized that putting sugar in the tank of your bentley continental might get you a few more miles per ahem, gallon, just because you had seen someone adding a fuel additive that looked like a bag of sugar..

and it also looks suspiciously like the quack science ‘actually’ being injected into billions of peoples arms (even though it is admitted to be ‘experimental’ eg a theory under appraisal)..

because of course this is the state of play with virology and it’s evil twin ‘vaccination’, which quite possibly might end up in the bin of useless quackery along with leeches and radium…. if mankind survives that is..

baudrillard for his all faults (and there were many) appraised this nonsense in his work on systems….

Steve B.
Steve B.
Jan 25, 2022 3:40 PM
Reply to  Dylan Jones

So when someone inhales oxygen in the ER we are to believe that no one is quite sure that is actually happening and it may be something else? In law, circumstantial evidence is about who and how mostly, not about what, meaning the FACT that there is a murder, a theft, etc is clear. The virus here is the what, and has never been remotely proven. No virus has ever been isolated under the Koch/Rivers principles of science. Science fails itself and INVENTS viruses out of thin air using culture gunk (refuted through any control test, which has been done) and computer in silico models with no relation to the real world. Are we now at the stage where we can believe anything we want? Apparently.

Dylan Jones
Dylan Jones
Jan 25, 2022 4:27 PM
Reply to  Steve B.

No, they are quite sure just as virologists are quite sure that viruses exist. People die from a symptomatic event that is the FACT. The virus – the what, is the same as the who and how and it has been proven to scientist’s satisfaction based on circumstantial evidence.

We are not at the stage where we can believe anything we want although things can be distorted.

Steve B.
Steve B.
Jan 25, 2022 7:04 PM
Reply to  Dylan Jones

But it is the CAUSE of the symptomatic event that is in question. That is the missing FACT here. For decades people thought the sailors had a virus when they were all dropping dead from scurvy. So it was vitamin C after all. The cause of the sickness must be established–scientifically. Virologists may be convinced but they are indulging in the worst sort of pseudoscience as their methods violate their own standards or proof(Koch/Rivers) and their results come out of soups of undifferentiated genetic material where the culprit is never identified. It is sad that people believe this shite.

James madashisson
James madashisson
Jan 25, 2022 9:13 PM
Reply to  Dylan Jones

I don’t think she is asserting that illness doesn’t exist. But simply, if the virus has not been proven to exist, or be the cause of illness, it can’t be held responsible for all this mayhem. I don’t have any specialist knowledge of virology, but I have read from many that do, that exosomes, which are identical in size to claimed virus, have been isolated and that it would be possible for viruses to be isolated and dissected and genomically sequenced without having to rely on so much arbitraryness, assumption, and speculation. If it’s so real prove it and let’s put this debate to bed.

Dosamuno
Dosamuno
Jan 25, 2022 9:32 PM

Janine Roberts’ Fear of the Invisible?

Researcher
Researcher
Jan 26, 2022 2:10 AM
Reply to  Dylan Jones

“But this technology was reverse-engineered from real viruses not invented from scratch.“

No, it was not. No virus has ever been isolated and purified, hence found. If you don’t find a molecule you can’t attenuate it, kill it, weaken it or strengthen it in a lab. It cannot have insertions or deletions. Those alleged insertions and deletions are done to hypothetical genomes, on computers, in silico. Ie; they aren’t real.

Dressing people up in hazmat suits and showing them on tv with pipettes and test tubes messing with alleged viruses, is propaganda for the ignorant and the profane.

Luc Montagnier has never isolated or purified a single virus.

A molecule that hasn’t been physically found, can’t possibly mutate and it can’t have insertions or deletions. It’s always going to be hypothetical. It doesn’t exist in the physical realm. All molecules can be isolated, purified, then chemically characterized. It’s done with exosomes, bacteriophages, bacteria and proteins, routinely. If it can’t be separated from the cell to be isolated and purified, then it can’t replicate, or destroy cells or travel through the air to infect anyone. Let alone be proven to be the cause of any illness or “disease”, including influenza.

Virologists supply contradictory, nonsensical information to hide their fraud. No part of what they do is science. They don’t use controls, because control groups immediately disprove everything they are claiming.

The mutations are hypothetical like all the viral genomes. If you had bothered researching any of this, you’d have realized you are just repeating fraud and lies to prop up the virus myth, which props up the poisonous vaccines.

Dosamuno
Dosamuno
Jan 26, 2022 1:33 PM
Reply to  Researcher

Yawn.

les online
les online
Jan 28, 2022 12:27 AM
Reply to  Researcher

+ 100

Woowoo
Woowoo
Jan 25, 2022 10:11 AM

Dr Bailey killed it.!
5 star’s

Edwige
Edwige
Jan 25, 2022 10:05 AM

Another fake rebel hero exposes what he really is and has been all along:

https://dumptheguardian.com/music/2022/jan/25/neil-young-demands-spotify-remove-his-music-over-joe-rogan-vaccine-misinformation

It serves dual purposes of keeping Young’s Boomer fan base on the reservation while pumping up Joe Rogan as the other side of the dialectic. Young was of course part of the Laurel Canyon crowd identified by Dave McGowan whose work looks more and more spot-on as time passes (which is not to say McGowan was necessarily genuine – I suspect he was more a conduit to reveal some method).

Where are all those British rebels who were anti-establishment? Where are those Red Wedgers? Where are all the former punks? Elvis Costello wanted to “tramp the dirt down” on Maggie Thatcher’s grave – where’s he confronted with convid? Where are all those alt-comedians? Look into, for example, Ben Elton’s background and see if you don’t get a whiff of bloodlines and lifetime actor-ing. Several (like Saunders and Edmondson I think from memory) come from – surprise! – military families

Johnny
Johnny
Jan 25, 2022 10:43 AM