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The Fear Not to Be

Edward Curtin

This year marks the seventieth anniversary of the theologian Paul Tillich’s famous book, The Courage to Be. Widely read in the days when an educated public read books, it is long forgotten.

In it, Tillich surveys the history of anxiety and fear and their relation to courage, religious faith, and the meaning of life.

His closing sentence – “The courage to be is rooted in the God who appears when God has disappeared in the anxiety of doubt” – became acclaimed as an astute description of the existential need to find a foundation for faith and courage when their foundations were shaking.

His writing profoundly influenced many, even when they didn’t wholly agree with him.

This included Dr Martin Luther King Jr, who, commenting on Tillich’s death in 1965, said:

His Christian existentialism gave us a system of meaning and purpose for our lives in an age when war and doubt seriously threatened all that we had come to hold dear.”

I mention The Courage to Be not to engage in a recondite theological and philosophical analysis, which is the last thing we now need, but to contrast his call for spiritual courage with what we have been experiencing pouring forth from the mass corporate media for years.

There is a drumbeat of fear-mongering so intense and constant that it is almost comical if it weren’t so effective in reducing people to quaking, frightened children.

Primarily about Covid and the need to obey the authorities and submit to being jabbed with mRNA Covid “Vaccines” – the idolatrous religion of bio-security – this religion of fear goes much further and much deeper.

Scenarios of fear have been rehearsed and produced for decades by the intelligence/IT/media giants on a multitude of issues, large and small.

They are rooted in a spiritually nihilistic political propaganda campaign that is exponentially increasing fear, anxiety, and despondency on a vast scale, which is its intent. Fearful people are easily cowered and controlled.

The elites know that regular people throughout the world are fed up with being subjected to violence and abuse in multiple forms, and if courage triumphs over their fears, they might join in worldwide solidarity and revolt, as they have been doing in various places recently.

To prevent this, the authorities must use terror tactics to divide and conquer them. If people dare to rise up and even question the propaganda, they have been and will be called terrorists for doing so. Dissent is now equated with terrorism and thus it must be censored.

All this fear-mongering draws on people’s normal fears of “not to be,” meaning dead.

It is of course understandable not wanting to be dead, but living in constant fear is a living death. Tillich, who suffered deep trauma as a chaplain in the trenches of WWI and was later dismissed from his teaching position in Germany when Hitler came to power, wrote that courage is rooted in the spiritual acceptance that underlying our individual lives is the power of Being, by which he meant God, and that fear and anxiety about our fates can be confronted only through the courage to accept in faith this foundational reality.

I think it is self-evident to anyone who glances at the mainstream media that fear is their staple.

In just the last week or so, I have seen The New York Times, an official organ of propaganda if there ever were one but known historically as the Grey Lady for understatement, tell its readers in a hyperventilating style that anxiety about climate change has spawned a growing field of therapeutic treatment for sufferers, how deer in your back yard are infected with Omicron, how the Russians are coming, etc.

This is the typical fear promoting propaganda that headlines all the media sites every day and has been doing so for years. Any casual observer can list them on a daily basis, from major to minor matters to fear.

Yet despite this constant, blatant propaganda, governments flip the truth and warn that anyone who questions this are conspiracy theorists intent on causing trouble and therefore must be watched and refuted. Just the other day the US Department of Homeland Security issued a “Summary of Terrorism Threat to the U.S. Homeland,” saying:

The United States remains in a heightened threat environment fueled by several factors, including an online environment filled with false or misleading narratives and conspiracy theories, and other forms of mis- dis- and mal-information (MDM) introduced and/or amplified by foreign and domestic threat actors.

After twenty years of such obvious propaganda, you would think these people would be embarrassed, but they obviously are not and intend to propagate this bullshit for years to come. They and their media accomplices have taken their lingo lessons straight from Nineteen Eighty-Four.

On the bio-security religious front alone, Kit Knightly of Off-Guardian has recently reported that the authorities have warned us that there is a vast underdiagnosis of heart disease that may stealthily be coming to get us (not from “vaccines,” of course) and that HIV testing and vaccines look to be the next big push, for there is now the claim that a new variant of HIV is spreading in Europe.

President Biden declared in December 2021 that his administration was aiming to “end the HIV/Aids epidemic by 2030.” While Covid restrictions may be easing, the mRNA “vaccine push” is not, and their promoters will only find different germs to defeat with “vaccines” and tests to ease the fears of the propagandized public, so many of whom have been turned into hypochondriacs.

The promulgation of the fear of germs and disease and foreign and domestic “threat actors” is permanent. For anyone naively thinking that there will be an easing of this elite war of lies, I would suggest they rethink that assumption.

The state of siege that is the Covid crisis will be followed by many more, and this germ warfare includes a vast array of foreign variants, led by Russia and China. We are in a permanent crisis and emergency engineered by the ruling classes to maintain their control.

This elite war against regular people has no end in sight. The elites know that people get worn down over time and lose hope; thus, they plan for the long haul and keep hammering away. Paul Tillich’s book is important because of its stress on the need for courage in the face of the fear-mongering.

Without a spiritual foundation to sustain one for the long haul, depression will lead to despair or surrender. History should teach us this. The evil ones often win, at least in the short run, and each of us doesn’t have a long run. Our time is brief.

The great dissenters and rebels of the past, even when not overtly religious, kept faith with their comrades and causes because they felt a deep, unbreakable, invincible connection. It is called different names or none at all. Maybe faith is the best word. Faith in what? Some call it God, as I do.

Words can’t explain it; I feel it.

Others say nothing and just carry on, sustained by the invisible. Some call it faith in human solidarity. The names don’t matter. It is not about naming but experiencing.

The poet DH Lawrence said wisely that we are transmitters of life, “and when we fail to transmit life, life fails to flow through us.” And he added in his inimitable style: “It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God. But it is a much more fearful thing to fall out of them.”

It is not easy, but fear helps us fall out.

There were those who called Tillich an atheist because his philosophical explanation sounded too abstruse, which is true. But he made a fundamental point about how as human beings we participate in Being, which is the ground of our existence. We are part of something that is far larger than our puny selves – beings in the sea of Being.

Who can deny that?

His call to courage hit a resonant chord with believers, agnostics, and atheists alike. Not a poet but a German trained immigrant scholar who emigrated to the USA, his language was steeped in heavy philosophical verbiage, yet it found a wide audience in its analysis of fear, anxiety, and especially courage because it was about fundamental truths. Courage is fundamental, as is faith.

The Spanish poet Antonio Machado put it less philosophically and more elegantly:

I talk always to the man who walks along with me;
– men who talk to themselves hope to talk to God Someday –
My soliloquies amount to discussions with this friend,
Who taught me the secret of loving human beings.
[…]
And when the day arrives for the last leaving of all,
And the ship that never returns to port is ready to go,
You’ll find me on board, light, with few belongings,
Almost naked like the children of the sea.

We are children of the sea and courage keeps us afloat.

Humor also helps, for we are funny creatures.

It is not often that one escapes an unintended assassination attempt. I am glad to say that I have.

This is an example of the power of fear. Where I live, the winter has been quite cold and there was a recent ice storm with thick ice everywhere on top of snow. My wife was fearful of falling and so had bought hiking poles for herself and me as Christmas gifts. I said I didn’t want them and wouldn’t use them; that I wasn’t afraid, that I had faith in my ability to sustain myself.

So I didn’t use them, which angered her.

One day when the ice in the driveway and on the car was inches thick, she cajoled me into using the sticks to reach the car. She set them for me with their clips at the proper height, since they are adjustable. We toddled down the pathway to the car, setting one pole out ahead of the other in turn. I exaggerated my need for them, bending far over as if I were in great need of the crutches.

Approaching the driveway, I extended my right-hand pole out in front and it collapsed because the clips weren’t set tight and I went flying face forward onto the ice. She looked at me in fear, not sure if I was dead or hurt or if her fear had made her into an accidental assassin. She needn’t worry. It was funny.

We all fall eventually, but in the meantime, worrying about it is self-defeating. It is a reaction to fear.

Worrying is a form of preying on oneself (etymology: to seize by the throat with one’s teeth and kill), and it can be induced – and is – by the campaigns of fear that we are being subjected to.

The courage to be was Tillich’s way of saying that we are upheld by far more than we know. Call it Being, Tao, the Great Spirit, or God. Courage is contagious and will carry us on. It is what we need to resist the fear-mongers who are at our throats.

Edward Curtin is an independent writer whose work has appeared widely over many years. His website is edwardcurtin.com and his new book is Seeking Truth in a Country of Lies.

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honkhonk17
honkhonk17
Feb 15, 2022 4:34 PM

My 75 year old aunt texted me the other day to tell me she and my uncle tested positive for Covid. I drove to their house at 12:30 AM and dropped off Ivermectin pills, HCQ, zinc, and Quercetin. She told me today her fever came down and that I may have saved her life. Uncle is feeling great. This is considered a negative outcome by the cabal. They would prefer my family dead. Their evil is no longer a theory and very much a reality.
You can get your ivm by visiting ivmpharmacy.com

les online
les online
Feb 15, 2022 10:40 AM

“To be, or, fear to be ?” that is The question… (Shakespeare ?)

aspnaz
aspnaz
Feb 15, 2022 12:29 AM

What a brilliant article and so appropriate for our current trials.

jimbo
jimbo
Feb 17, 2022 4:10 AM
Reply to  aspnaz

Yes. Yes. Yes.

Hemlockfen
Hemlockfen
Feb 14, 2022 8:23 PM

You made me cry. My wife passed nearly 5 years ago. I am “alone” with my kids. Trying to help my son and his wife to understand the problems with the vaccine so they don’t vaccinate their kids. I have done everything to no avail. They took the vaccine and will likely vaccinate my grandchildren. I am beside myself.

It has been cold where I live (upper lower Michigan). We should get together and drink a few beers around a camp fire while teasing the owls, the coyotes, the raccoons and the black bear that frequent the area. Thousands of acres of the Sleeping Bear Dunes National Lakeshore are just outside my back door.

Anytime you want to visit the area…………….

County Girl
County Girl
Feb 16, 2022 10:20 PM
Reply to  Hemlockfen

Hi I have just spent the last 30 minutes on google earth looking at Sleeping Bear Dunes Nat. Lakeshore. Looks really nice, perhaps not at this time of year. After the last 2 weeks I am fully aware of what the weather is like in Ottawa. Brrr.

At this time of year, in normal times, I would have been in Arizona in the sunshine. Missing it due the farce and Biden’s rules due to the lack of jabs to my body. Still, it is better to be alive.

I am sorry to hear of your situation. No matter what you say, you cannot change the minds of those who will not listen.

Michael A Stilinovich
Michael A Stilinovich
Feb 22, 2022 3:16 AM
Reply to  County Girl

It’s been said that you can plant the seeds but never eat the fruit, well I say plant those seeds anyway for they will not be wasted.

Junious Ricardo Stanton
Junious Ricardo Stanton
Feb 14, 2022 3:09 PM

Oligarchs have always used fear, ignorance and manipulated people’s emotions to control the masses. Elites used organized religion to make people dependent on the priests for “salvation” because they created a dogma that said you are a sinner because of Adam and Eve or you are tied to the wheel of Karma eons before your birth etc. This put the masses in a dependent position if you believed their dogma and you were attacked as a heretic witch or whatever if you didn’t.
Paul Tillach was a mystic who had a great influence on many people’s thinking about God and living in a non-institutional way. We need more discussions about courage and not succumbing to the fearmongering, induced psychosis and the global elites mind control apparatus.

Technocracy Unsustainable
Technocracy Unsustainable
Feb 14, 2022 3:00 PM

Fascism is an exhaustive money pit, trillions are wasted to uphold, repair and repaint the dilapidated house of lies. Propaganda is a money loser, since most MSM shows garner less than a million viewers. Mein Kampf by Hitler means My Struggle. Yes, it is a struggle when you’re constantly trying to enforce bad policy. Life shouldn’t be so hard. Honesty lightens the load, nature is harmonious, there is a thing called “spontaneous right action” when life becomes serendipitous and synchronicities abound. That’s being in the flow. This happens when you trust in a divine intelligence inherent in all things.

hele
hele
Feb 14, 2022 12:33 AM

In Canada, Global news journalist for 20 years (fired for delving into vax injurries)Anita Knrishna, speaks out against MSM and the narrative:https://www.facebook.com/phil.turcotte2/videos/1009827283287565/

les online
les online
Feb 13, 2022 11:29 PM

“…those not busy being born are busy dying”… (1960s folksinger).
The ‘Covid’ Death in Life cult…

The politicians, having outlawed Revolution, want to outlaw Risk, All Risk.
So have come up with preventive detention, preventive* military attacks, crime prevention, and best of all, preventive medicine – by which is meant regular preventive experimental injections to protect against the risk of catching something.

But how to take the risk out of voting for politicians ? – That is The question

*preventive as in pre-emptive

Deborah T
Deborah T
Feb 13, 2022 7:51 PM

Highly recommend Edward’s ‘Looking for Truth in a Country of Lies’.

George Mc
George Mc
Feb 13, 2022 7:25 PM

Fraudian:

“‘Don’t take the damn thing’: how Spotify playlists push dangerous anti-vaccine tunes”

Rejection – or, at least suspicion – of the covid tale amongst a large number was already there way back at the beginning. But didn’t get any mention on the media until the vaxxes were ready and such opposition could be presented as “anti-vax” i.e. moulded as a rejection of “The Science”. The meme is that such rejecition is “crazy” “irrational” etc. And so,

“Tracks found on the world’s largest music streaming service explicitly encourage people not to get vaccinated and say those who do are “slaves”, “sheep”, and victims of Satan.”

Obviously fundamentalist Bible bashers! Phew what a bunch of loonies!

“Spotify this weekend removed several of the songs flagged to it by the Observer, which it said breached rules banning content that promotes “dangerous, false, or deceptive content about Covid-19” that may pose a threat to public health.”

Interesting. I didn’t know The Observer had such power.

Blah blah Neil Young and Joni Mitchell are saints blah blah equally saintly and furthermore impeccably scientific doctors, scientists, healthcare professionals proclaim Rogan “a menace to public health” …

All drearily predictable.

But what’s this?

“Imran Ahmed, chief executive of the Center for Countering Digital Hate, a group that monitors misinformation and harmful content online, said the material identified contained “unscientific, provably false misinformation” that encourages listeners to refuse vaccines that could save lives.”

Ah the system’s very own Witch Finder General, the Center for Countering Digital Hate! Dragging in the big guns now! So you know what’s coming next! And sure enough …

“In December, following an investigation by Sky News, it removed almost 150 hours of content it said violated its hateful content policy, including antisemitic, racist and white supremacist material found in podcasts. In 2020, a BBC investigation led Spotify and other platforms including Apple Music, YouTube Music and Deezer to remove racist, antisemitic and homophobic content.”

But … perhaps we need to up the ante? Of course! Godwin!

“An excerpt of a Hitler speech, calls for “Aryans” to make a brand new start, and references to white power were found in songs hosted by the streaming services.”

All of which makes you wonder if Spotify is posing as a deliberately “hateful” enemy within.
 

George Mc
George Mc
Feb 13, 2022 7:32 PM
Reply to  George Mc

I mean – think about it. This is supposed to be an anti-vax movement and yet … anti-Semitism? Hitler? Homophobia? The non sequitur smearing is pathetic.

George Mc
George Mc
Feb 13, 2022 7:35 PM
Reply to  George Mc

So … theory: Spotify and Rogan are part of a theatre to present the covid rejecting anti-vax movement in the worst possible light. A totally contrived spaghetti Western.

Martha
Martha
Feb 13, 2022 10:03 PM
Reply to  George Mc

You say non sequitur. I say effective. A friend of mine asked HOW I could support the truckers, who are anarchists, anti-semites & neo-nazis. I couldn’t convince her otherwise. She heard it on CNN.

George Mc
George Mc
Feb 13, 2022 10:10 PM
Reply to  Martha

I admit it’s effective – though only in the truly depressing way that any garbage pushed out constantly by the media will be taken up uncritically by dumbasses. But it is also non sequitur meaning that there is no connection between the covid sceptic/anti-vax position and anti-Semitism etc. In this case it is pure repetition of a spurious combination. To be sure, that’s how the media works.

Martha
Martha
Feb 13, 2022 10:42 PM
Reply to  George Mc

Yes, of course there’s no connection. She didn’t even notice. Yes, that’s definitely how the brainwashing works. Not much different than when I gave my Evangelical grandmother a copy of the Course in Miracles. She thought it very interesting until her pastor told her it was the work of the devil. She never trusted me again.

Michelle Camden
Michelle Camden
Feb 14, 2022 2:05 PM
Reply to  Martha

Too bad your grandmother couldn’t have figured that out for herself.

martin
martin
Feb 14, 2022 4:41 AM
Reply to  Martha

I sent my daughter footage of the Canberra rally and she replied What’s all the Australian flags about? To her that represents racist white australia, not without reason, but now it clearly means we want our country back. Wish I had thought of that at the time!

Orthus
Orthus
Feb 14, 2022 9:43 AM
Reply to  Martha

A friend of mine asked HOW I could support the truckers, who are anarchists, anti-semites & neo-nazis.

Now that their GoFundMe page has been removed?

Victor G.
Victor G.
Feb 14, 2022 12:11 PM
Reply to  Martha

Tell her you are an “Anarchist” a la John Lydon and hum a few bars of the anthem!

Tom Larsen
Tom Larsen
Feb 14, 2022 4:34 PM
Reply to  George Mc

It’s almost like there’s an incipient Reformation happening and the Vatican has created a new Inquisition to stamp it out.

Vedex
Vedex
Feb 13, 2022 6:57 PM

Do not take your eyes of the ball – Who ever is saying covid has ended is talking shit!

Vaccines for people over the age of 50 will be mandatory from February 15. 
(within an 18 months period since 2020 from vaccinating the old and young by age group to then mandating the age groups – see a pattern?)

Italy has a no jab no job policy virtually for all sectors and the Super green pass’:

Unvaccinated banned from Italian bars, restaurants and public transport New restrictions targeting the unvaccinated came into force in Italy on Monday, where a negative COVID-19 test no longer grants access to bars, restaurants, and domestic public transport.
Italian prime minister Mario Draghi criticised the jab-less, who he claimed were the cause of “most of the problems” as the country suffers from a major spread of the Omicron variant. “Most of the problems we are experiencing today are due to the fact that there are unvaccinated people” who “are much more likely to develop severe forms of the disease” and “put hospitals under pressure”, Draghi said at a press conference on Monday evening, as the country recorded more than 100,000 new infections in 24 hours. People who recently recovered COVID-19 are exempted from the new rule which will be in force until March 31. 
The government announced last week that vaccination for people over the age of 50 will be mandatory from February 15. Non-compliance with the mandate will result in a €100 fine.
Italy was the first European country to be hit by the coronavirus at the beginning of 2020 and has one of the highest death tolls, with almost 140,000 deaths.

https://www.euronews.com/2022/01/10/unvaccinated-banned-from-italian-bars-restaurants-and-public-transport

DavidF
DavidF
Feb 13, 2022 7:09 PM
Reply to  Vedex

“………..the new rule will be in force until March 31.”
So a part time rule then ?
As the numbers come down and these scumbags are dragged into a law court, so the “rules” will be relaxed.
One last desperate throw of the Draghi dice

S Cooper
S Cooper
Feb 13, 2022 4:39 PM

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“It is in the public interest for the public to be fully informed of what there is to know of an event or situation, not one finds convenient for them to know. Honesty is the best policy. “
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“END THE CENSORSHIP!”

Clyde
Clyde
Feb 13, 2022 5:14 PM
Reply to  S Cooper

Orwell was a rat and happy to have others censored.
“GEORGE ORWELL, the socialist author, offered to provide a secret Foreign Office propaganda unit linked to the intelligence services with names of writers and journalists he regarded as “crypto-communist” and “fellow-travellers” who could not be trusted, documents released yesterday at the Public Record Office reveal.”
https://www.writing.upenn.edu/~afilreis/50s/orwell-informer.html

jubal hershaw
jubal hershaw
Feb 13, 2022 9:14 PM
Reply to  Clyde

Clyde – the fact checker.
checks the fackers
with government supplied facks.

Gregory Fisher
Gregory Fisher
Feb 14, 2022 3:01 AM
Reply to  jubal hershaw

Hello Jubal, thanks for all the advice… VMS 😉

mgeo
mgeo
Feb 14, 2022 7:22 AM
Reply to  jubal hershaw

+1

Martin Usher
Martin Usher
Feb 14, 2022 8:21 PM
Reply to  Clyde

Orwell was well known as a turncoat among his socialist contemporaries. I think the reality is a bit more complicated. Orwell had a great insight into the use and abuse of language for shaping thought and he had the courage to speak what he thought was the truth even if it upset people (e.g. his observations and conclusions in his book “The Road to Wigan Pier”). His cooperation with the FO could be explained as a trade off — WW2 had exposed the true nature of fascism and the extent that ‘the powers that be’ in England were complicit in encouraging it while communists were implicitly required to uncritically support the USSR, deviation being punished as a version of political correctness. In a sense he was stuck in a battle between Good and Evil; this transcends mere politics. (There’s a lesson here for us today — so many people get into a muddle by assuming ‘their side’ is Good and ‘the other side’ is Evil when the truth is that ‘our side’ can include evil and ‘their side’ can embrace good – politics is fundamentally about dividing up the social cake, not the ethics of a particular approach to doing it.)

Thinktwice
Thinktwice
Feb 13, 2022 3:44 PM

Think-tanks want to undermine common law in UK
Alex Thomson (former GCHQ officer)
in Dr. Reiner Fuellmich’s
http://www.grand-jury.net/
12. Feb: The general historical and geopolitical backdrop to all of this
> engl. version > from 1:49:19 to 1:52:40
Very interesting!

NickM
NickM
Feb 13, 2022 3:32 PM

I had not heard of Tillich but his message is familiar: Last Words from the Cross: Eli! Eli! Lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me? — Matthew 27:46.

“The courage to be is rooted in the God who appears when God has disappeared in the anxiety of doubt” – became acclaimed as an astute description of the existential need to find a foundation for faith and courage when their foundations are shaking.
This included Dr Martin Luther King Jr, who, commenting on Tillich’s death in 1965, said:

His Christian existentialism gave us a system of meaning and purpose for our lives in an age when war and doubt seriously threatened all that we had come to hold dear.”

dr death
dr death
Feb 13, 2022 9:02 PM
Reply to  NickM

You may find this interesting ‘nick’ or perhaps not..

Now let’s discuss those words which Jesus spoke, so vividly
described by Matthew and Mark.
“Eli, Eli, la-ma sa-bach-tha-ni” and
“Eloi, Eloi, la-ma sa-bach-tha-ni”.
Both Matthew and Mark put a question mark after their
quote of Jesus’ words.
When Jesus spoke them, he created quite a bit of confusion.
Some said, “Hey, he’s calling Elias.” (Maybe he’ll come and save
him!) Others said that he was thirsty. John said simply, “Jesus said,
I thirst.”
Someone in the crowd, thinking Jesus had said he was
thirsty, soaked a sponge in vinegar, put it on a reed and held it to
Jesus’ mouth.
We must give immense credit to Matthew and Mark for
writing down as best as they could the sounds of the words Jesus
spoke. From what they wrote, we know that no such words existed
in Hebrew at that time. Nor did they exist in Aramaic nor in Greek
nor in any other language of which we know for that area and that
time.
Why did Jesus, in his dying moments, use a language which
no one else knew? The best Matthew and Mark could do was say
“which is, being interpreted” and “that is to say”. Thank God for
their honesty.

As for the difference between Matthew’s “Eli, Eli” and
Mark’s “Eloi, Eloi” we must consider the crowd’s reaction. The only
reaction quoted is in both Matthew and Mark as Jesus having said
“Elias”. If we are reduced to a choice, we would have to go along
with “Eli, Eli.”
I searched and searched, and could not find the words in any
language either. In desperation I turned to the parent language,
Prehistoric Mayan or Naga.
There the words were, as large as life:
Heli, heli, lamat sabac ta ni.
I am fainting, I am fainting, darkness is overcoming me.
Since Jesus is quoted as having “cried with a loud voice” in
both Matthew and Mark, perhaps we should quote the translation to
be:
I am fainting! I am fainting!
Darkness is overcoming me

Aftermath; the Adam and Eve story..

NickM
NickM
Feb 14, 2022 8:22 AM
Reply to  dr death

The words are in Aramaic, the Lingua Franca of the Middle East in Graeco-Roman times. It is still the mother tongue of some Syrian Christians today, as it was in those times. It has affinities to other Semitic languages eg, modern Hebrew. I do not think the Greek writer has mistranslated this passage. (Though one famous mistranslation elsewhere was to replace the Aramaic word for “cable” by the Greek word for “camel” through the eye of a needle)

Quite understandable that a man being tortured to death (“under the most refined method of execution ever devised by misplaced human ingenuity) should cry out in his mother tongue. People dying of cancer sometimes cry out to their dead mother. The dying man, Rabbi Yeshuah of Nazareth, cried out to his God. He cried out in doubt and despair, a man past the limits of human endurance. God took upon himself all the suffering of His own Creation, mental as well as physical.

That Christians should find in this suffering a source of strength is a paradox of faith, “to be accepted in a spirit of wonderment rather than contradiction”.

rechenmacher
rechenmacher
Feb 14, 2022 11:27 AM
Reply to  NickM

Thanks! A much needed clarification.(Didn’t know about the camel and the cable, so thanks for this, too.)

dr death
dr death
Feb 14, 2022 1:39 PM
Reply to  NickM

If you paid attention you would have noticed that the statement was never clarified … try looking a little deeper, and relying less on pointless analogy and assumptions..

opinions are ten a penny…

Pilgrim59
Pilgrim59
Feb 13, 2022 3:26 PM

Thank you for sharing these views. Many good and applicable points.

George Mc
George Mc
Feb 13, 2022 3:15 PM

Fraudian:

Like most, I relish life opening up. But this libertarian dash for the Covid exit is reckless

Will Hutton

Always the same song sheet. And one decided very early on across all of the designated political spectrum. “Libertarian” = “Right Wing” = “selfish” = “criminally reckless”

And as for this “dash”, well two years is a bit short. Four perhaps? Eight? Like the ever receding “fully vaccinated”, the “safe” time to lift all restrictions will soar away on the horizon.

George Mc
George Mc
Feb 13, 2022 3:26 PM
Reply to  George Mc

Stalling is now the name of the game. Though perhaps it always was. The covid/vax drama facilitated the breakdown of the old society and neutered all resistance. But this was in preparation of the real aim which was to freeze everything and ensure that everyone’s eyes were fixed on a no-expenses-spared theatre production whilst an underlying reconfiguration was underway.

juno
juno
Feb 13, 2022 11:45 PM
Reply to  George Mc

If they keep stalling they’ll never have to produce the worker’s paradise full-blown from out their ass.They, too, are an evolutionary dead end and they are feeling it.
‘;;

Mark Knowles
Mark Knowles
Feb 13, 2022 3:08 PM

Yes. The BBC had this “warning” article on their front page recently. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-60358296 🙁

S Cooper
S Cooper
Feb 13, 2022 3:00 PM

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“Ray Theon Productions presents the WEF Players in Heinrich Klaus Merkwuerdigliebe‘s classic dark comedy FEAR! FEAR! FEAR! WHAT IS IT GOOD FOR?”

“next week: The CULLING FIELDS XX” and “PICK YOUR POISON, A LOVE STORY”

mgeo
mgeo
Feb 13, 2022 3:25 PM
Reply to  S Cooper

Just because the leader in Washington DC is a puppet of Globocap, those in Moscow and Beijing must be too?

Bank on This
Bank on This
Feb 13, 2022 5:08 PM
Reply to  mgeo

The World Bank, IMF, et al exist in & exert massive influence & control in/over Moscow and Beijing.

S Cooper
S Cooper
Feb 13, 2022 3:34 PM
Reply to  S Cooper

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“You call that a threat?”
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“Time to take this on the road.”

S Cooper
S Cooper
Feb 13, 2022 5:08 PM
Reply to  S Cooper

THINK unwholesome thoughts, such as equality, peace, justice, liberty, honesty, freedom, respect, dignity.”
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“Everything that the ‘wholesome’ war racketeer corporate fascist eugenicist oligarch mobster psychopath Nazis are not.”

wardropper
wardropper
Feb 13, 2022 6:20 PM
Reply to  S Cooper

“Why is this software psychopath being allowed to drive global ‘health’ policy?”

Because he’s the richest lobbyist the world has ever known…?
The authorities like his money – a lot.

When was it ever different?

Clyde
Clyde
Feb 13, 2022 5:17 PM
Reply to  S Cooper

You don’t actually make comments on the stories on this website. I’ve noticed that you just post memes and slogans. What’s that all about, champ?

jubal hershaw
jubal hershaw
Feb 13, 2022 9:20 PM
Reply to  Clyde

Clyde dont actually make comments on the stories on this website. Whats that all abot Clyde ?

Trewpol
Trewpol
Feb 14, 2022 12:22 AM
Reply to  Clyde

SCoop adds lot to the conversations on here in his/her own inimitable way and I (for one) value and appreciate it.

You could just choose to scroll past Clyde.

Next you’ll be calling out gordans lack of punctuation!

martin
martin
Feb 14, 2022 7:10 AM
Reply to  Trewpol

Cuckoo in the nest, pastiche goop displacing gordon with an o the disslexic bard who must have ruffled some feathers.

George Mc
George Mc
Feb 13, 2022 2:25 PM

QAnon is the mighty glove puppet enemy within. Most visible aspect (always needed): the Shaman. And what did he look like? Well a prat really. But consider the accoutrements: the shaggy dress, tall figure, bare chest and, above all, the horns. Thus – traditional devil. The cheesiness of the figure can be bypassed by the unconscious archetypal effect.

David
David
Feb 13, 2022 1:42 PM

I am an atheist. I love this life. I love seeing people being happy. I don’t want to die. I don’t fear death. It’s just I love living so much. I do have fear though. I fear the powers that be and their dystopian agenda. The fact that often wonderful technological discoveries are wickedly bent into horrifying devices of destruction, surveillance, and behavioral manipulation scares. My god, if you like, is my physical feeling of well-being and connection with fellow humans, animals, vegetation and even the rocks soil and water around us. My god , if you like, is the probably infinite vastness of the universe. I can call it a kind of jointly held feeling of positivity. Kind of spirit. My fear diminishes little at a time. When I acknowledge that I have power. I see through their lies and propaganda. I only hope I have the resolve to never cave into their demands.

Rhisiart Gwilym
Rhisiart Gwilym
Feb 13, 2022 1:57 PM
Reply to  David

Guess you don’t have much idea of having an immortal soul, then, David? And the consciousness with which you apprehend, remember and write about all the things around you that you love? Just “an epiphenomen of brain function” then?

I think you may be in for a deep, but ultimately reassuring, shock when you die, then.

wardropper
wardropper
Feb 13, 2022 2:31 PM

That was actually a rather lovely exchange of views, you two.
Perhaps you are fundamentally different, but both of your comments had generous dollops of humanity in them.

Like Rhis, I can see how intelligent thinking can lead to religious conviction, without the need for brainwashing by priests and institutionalized churches, but others are still searching for what resonates with their ‘inner self’, and searching is always good.

Good luck to you both.

rubberheid
rubberheid
Feb 13, 2022 3:59 PM
Reply to  wardropper

+1

NickM
NickM
Feb 15, 2022 7:10 AM
Reply to  wardropper

Agreed. “Peace on Earth to persons of good will” is a sentiment acceptable to great atheist religions like Buddhism, Confucianism and Dialectical Materialism as well as to great theist religions like Christianity and Islam.

Dosamuno
Dosamuno
Feb 13, 2022 2:47 PM

Religion has the same validity as astrology.

It is Bronze Age nonsense invented by folk who knew nothing of atoms, molecules, genes microbes,, cells, DNA, the Copernican universe, or the Law of Conservation of matter and Energy. They believed in Platonic dualism. They conceived spirits, ghosts, angels, bogeymen, and gods.

The Church condemned materialism and atomism.  
Lucretius was one of the first to make the Index.

Christianity is mythology—a derivative mythology. 
Cookie cutter Christs include Inanna, Mithra, Attis, Adonis, Isis, and Dionysus. 

Jesus scores a 19 out of 22 on Lord Raglan’s list of traits for mythical heroes. There are no non-Christian sources that support his existence. And the gospel story does not appear in the epistles of Paul of Tarsus: His Jesus lived and died (at the hand of demons) in an other-than-earthly realm.

Religion is an anachronism, but still inspires gullible people to caress beads, wail in front of wailing walls, and to utter magic incantations: “Hail Mary, full of grace…” or “Allahu Akbar!”

Humanity would be better off without the three Abrahamic religions.
I don’t like Yahweh very much; nor Jesus.  
I despise Allah, his vile pedophile prophet, and their murderous religion.

mgeo
mgeo
Feb 13, 2022 3:29 PM
Reply to  Dosamuno

Religion: “You don’t understand. There is something else. Now, pay attention.”

Howard
Howard
Feb 13, 2022 3:54 PM
Reply to  Dosamuno

The Modern Age invented nonsense – which we whimsically call “Science” – is every bit as senseless as the Bronze Age nonsense you cite.

Religious people know this, that or the other because God told them so. Scientists know this, that or the other because Mathematics told them so. Same difference.

Same pew, different church. Same practitioner: human arrogance.

“I am Man, I created a system – and it proves anything I wish it to. Bow down before it.”

As they say: been there done it.

Clyde
Clyde
Feb 13, 2022 5:21 PM
Reply to  Howard

Your post is just nonsense and indicates that you have no understanding whatsoever of science. Scientific pursuit is literally the inverse of the magical-thinking religious experience that you’re describing.

Will
Will
Feb 13, 2022 5:37 PM
Reply to  Clyde

Science has not advanced a single millimetre, when it comes to the mystery of consciousness (nor will it).

The child asks: ‘What was before the Big Bang?’ The child asks: ‘What made God?’

‘Why do you prate of God? Whatever you say of God is untrue.’ – Meister Eckhart

‘The only thing I know is I know nothing.’ – Socrates

Howard
Howard
Feb 13, 2022 5:38 PM
Reply to  Clyde

When I look at two diametrical systems – Religion and Science – and I see that both can be and in fact always are used to maintain a cadre of psychopaths in power at the expense of every else, I refuse outright to declare them different. They are two peas in a pod, both created for evil purposes.

And one day, both will be dismissed as worthless wastes of human time and energy.

jubal hershaw
jubal hershaw
Feb 13, 2022 9:42 PM
Reply to  Clyde

Clyde is intelligent. He knows.

gabriel
gabriel
Feb 14, 2022 2:12 PM
Reply to  jubal hershaw

+10

FNz
FNz
Feb 14, 2022 3:32 AM
Reply to  Clyde

The COVID vaccine and many other similar evils are the result of science.

Victor G.
Victor G.
Feb 14, 2022 12:29 PM
Reply to  FNz

Atomic weapons?

Tom Larsen
Tom Larsen
Feb 14, 2022 4:51 PM
Reply to  Clyde

RE: Scientific pursuit is literally the inverse of the magical-thinking religious experience that you’re describing.

The problem with this statement is that it might be true of a few pursuits done by a few scientists. Today however, most of what is done under the rubric of “scientific pursuit” might as well be religion.

Once one religion is conquered, another replaces it. Religion, whether Christianity or Scientism, is too powerful a manipulative tool for the PTB to abandon.

Esmeralda
Esmeralda
Feb 13, 2022 7:01 PM
Reply to  Dosamuno

Josephus, the historian, mentioned Jesus.

Dr Justin
Dr Justin
Feb 13, 2022 10:15 PM
Reply to  Esmeralda

It has been argued that Jesus was a creation of Josephus (a Jewish traitor) and the Vespasians.

CAESAR’S MESSIAH: The Roman Conspiracy to Invent Jesus – OFFICIAL VERSION

Thiekbalj
Thiekbalj
Feb 14, 2022 12:06 PM
Reply to  Esmeralda

Josephus (and his insidious team) also likely wrote the gospels. Flavians. See Caesars Messiah by Joseph Atway also a documentary on youtube
‘Not in His Image’ by John Lamb Lash is also a fantastic deep dive into all of the inventions as well as what was swept away.

Xavier Delacroix
Xavier Delacroix
Feb 13, 2022 8:31 PM
Reply to  Dosamuno

“Religion has the same validity as astrology”

Well observed.

Do you understand how the cross derives from the Zodiac?

dr death
dr death
Feb 13, 2022 8:40 PM
Reply to  Dosamuno

to be acutely aware of what you hate…

is an absence of God in ones life…

God has nothing to do with ‘religion’… religion is mystery school nonsense to shepherd the imbeciles…

dr death
dr death
Feb 13, 2022 8:54 PM
Reply to  dr death

NB: although the characters and stories in the great books and I would include greek indian and sumerian amongst those…have been attacked by the regimes lackeys (and i would include D.M Murdoch amongst them, whom you seem to have a casual knowledge of and who has been thoroughly debunked … her renderings of mithras as laughable as sitchins Sumeria) can be useful to journeyman and the perspicacious…

and there have been many, some still alive, who choose to teach and enlighten the profane and ignorant within these ‘frameworks’…

many would concur with some of your observations, though of course not your conclusions..

jubal hershaw
jubal hershaw
Feb 13, 2022 9:40 PM
Reply to  Dosamuno

Most modern and intelligent humans have abandoned religion for Scientism.

I have a Guardian Angel sitting on my left shoulder (A ‘left-winger’) looking out for me. tells me “Beware Brownshirts in White Lab Coats who claim they know whats good for you !’. We get on well.

dr death
dr death
Feb 14, 2022 1:51 PM
Reply to  jubal hershaw

“Most modern and intelligent humans have abandoned religion for Scientism.”…

sarcasm or irony?….

jubal hershaw
jubal hershaw
Feb 15, 2022 2:15 AM
Reply to  dr death

“Just The Facts, ma’am, just The Facts !” Stan Freberg of yore.

Trewpol
Trewpol
Feb 14, 2022 12:31 AM
Reply to  Dosamuno

In the words of Rhisiart above slightly altered for you:

I think you may be in for a deep, but ultimately terrifying, shock when you die, then.

TomUSA
TomUSA
Feb 14, 2022 7:50 PM
Reply to  Dosamuno

Discussion of the existence of God is ever unenlightening. Neither wisdom nor enlightenment are conferred by the spoken or written word; as Adi Shankaracharya said ” Unless you have your Realization there’s no use reading the Scriptures. Once you have your Realization there’s no use reading the Scriptures.”

Enlightenment ( Knowledge of God ) must be sought with humility and innocence besides the most obvious trait, patience. The pure desire within us will only be satisfied if these conditions are met, and the trail is littered with frustrated, wrathful souls, deficient in these who spew hatred and ultimately become quite hateful themselves.

Rejection of the world’s established religion does not an atheist make; some would say it is a pre-requisite to achieving enlightenment. David’s espoused faith and beliefs surpass those a good many ” devout ” souls. I would consider him religious for example as they align with dharma, the Sanskrit word for …religion.

Marilyn Shepherd
Marilyn Shepherd
Feb 13, 2022 2:52 PM

When we die the worms eat us if we are not burnt

NickM
NickM
Feb 13, 2022 3:49 PM

And if we are burnt, flowers feed on the minerals from our ashes. Either way we feed new life. Hopefully, the traces of some of these newly created beings will be as pleasant to come across as Marilyn Shepherd is/was.

inferus obitus
inferus obitus
Feb 13, 2022 3:22 PM

I may best be described as an “Agnostic”.
I don’t pretend to know any more than i truly know.
Sure, I have ideas, and guesses, and often biases, and assumptions, presumptions, “faith”, etc, but always keeping in mind that I never truly know.

I’m not scared of death, not one bit.
In fact I look froward to it.
I often view death as a means of escaping the severe limitations of the material world.
I certainly don’t miss & crave the state of being awake while in sleep, thus I really don’t believe I’ll miss the state of “life” while in “death”.
I even greatly enjoy the state of sleep, as it allows me to travel & exist, via “dreams”, in wildly and unbelievable ways.

I don’t necessarily subscribe to the notion of a “spirit”, though I do believe we all posses a truly unknowable energy force.
I know, via extensive personal observation, that most everything in this existence possesses some sort of “life” giving energy force.

I really don’t hold much belief in the oft-promulgated theological concept of “resurrection”, but I can prove a concept of reincarnation, in that atoms (or smaller constituents of matter) continue to exist and form the bases of larger & more complex forms of matter. Of all widely varying different types (“living” entities are largely composed of the same atoms/constituents as “non-living” entities).
Everything that exists today was other stuff in the past (our own bodies are combinations of widely varying & mixed portions of numerous bodies of matter of the past).

I don’t necessarily believe in a “god”, i.e. an all-powerful, all-knowing, omnipresent being/entity that caused things to be created, as is often conceived, but I do believe that all things in Nature are ultimately derived of the same body (i.e. the universal body of matter, of various forms), and that all those massive number of different things, if/when combined, would form a state & condition of all-powerful, all-knowing, omnipresence.

I also hold belief that “perception” is most-wholly subjective.
Psychedelic drugs demonstrate this concept.
As can widely varying/disrupted chemical balances/imbalances.
I certainly also perceive things quite extremely differently during sleep than during being awake.
And yet the physical & material world around me at all those different times is generally in the same state.
It’s my perception that changes.

I think you may be in for a deep, but ultimately reassuring, shock when you die, then.
I do find it interesting when people use materialistic concepts & definitions & such in their perception of the “supernatural”/”spiritual”/”metaphysical” etc.
Like we will generally remain ourselves, but in a spirit form.
Which I believe is partly responsible for the general fear of death, that so many “religious” & “faithful” people claim not to hold, but truly do hold (if concepts like heaven, eternal life & such do truly exist, wouldn’t more people be more excited about death, rather than constantly seeking to prevent or delay death? We have a massively large medical industry that revolves around that perhaps irrational and contradictory fear of death).

jubal hershaw
jubal hershaw
Feb 13, 2022 9:26 PM

Not having died yet, i cant say if it will be a shock about What Comes Next..
But i think i will be shocked if i’m reincarnated as a frog and the same barsted have me in a pot on a stove trying to boil me alive.
(or, if French, turn me into Frog Soup.)

Pilgrim59
Pilgrim59
Feb 13, 2022 3:25 PM
Reply to  David

Thank you David for your words! I find it so fascinating that as soon as someone puts out their personal beliefs, immediately someone has to try and confront them, judge them and demonstrate why they are right and the other person is wrong!!! This is the last journal/blog that I would expect this from, and this is the last journal/blog that I enjoy reading anymore, however, after reading some of these comments, it seems to me that this journal/blog is falling into the same mentality as all of the rest! I applaud the author of this article, many good points, as always. I applaud and respect your beliefs David, and to all of those responding to your post with some kind of judgment attached, I respect your views as well, even though I do not see the relevance in trying to argue with someone’s personal beliefs, as I think that is dis-respectful!
I have been around the theological mulberry bush many times, including degrees in Religion, many, many years of practicing various spirituality methods, I have been a therapist and a spiritual director. After a lifetime of this practice, it has all boiled down to the following two mantra’s that guide my life:

  1. “Living in the Mysteries, Loving in the Space Between, While Awaiting the Great Beyond!”
  2. “Embrace all that feeds your spirit, eliminate all that starves it!”
Howard
Howard
Feb 13, 2022 4:03 PM
Reply to  Pilgrim59

You may be mis-reading the dynamic. Though I cherish OffG and its commenters, I have noticed that most – perhaps because of the urgency of the scamdemic – have little patience with philosophical, religious, artistic or just plain personal beliefs.

So when someone comes along who posts comments which are beyond dogged hatred of TPTB and their various scams to enslave humanity, this is like manna from heaven to those of us who really relish this kind of comment.

Perhaps our response may seem confrontational; but I think it has more to do with attempting to strike up a conversation – and taking exception with what the original commenter posted is a good “hook” for such a conversation.

Victor G.
Victor G.
Feb 14, 2022 1:19 PM
Reply to  Pilgrim59

“1- Do all that is Good. Avoid all that is Evil. 2 – Purify your Heart.”

Thomas PainInTheAss
Thomas PainInTheAss
Feb 13, 2022 12:47 PM

“The elites know that regular people throughout the world are fed up with being subjected to violence and abuse in multiple forms, and if courage triumphs over their fears, they might join in worldwide solidarity and revolt, as they have been doing in various places recently.”

The Tocqueville effect:
The effect suggests a link between social equality or concessions by the regime and unintended consequences, as social reforms can raise expectations that can’t be matched.
According to the Tocqueville effect, a revolution is likely to occur after an improvement in social conditions.
The term relative deprivation has put forth that revolutions happen when there is an expectation of improvement, and a harsh reality in contrast.

Thus to prevent those calls for reforms, and potential revolutions from occurring, concessions are only NOT offered, but conditions are gradually worsened, effectively inhibiting any hope for improvement.
I.e. employ relative deprivation.
Which is a term used in social sciences to describe feelings or measures of economic, political, or social deprivation that are relative rather than absolute (i.e. another paradox that is present is that most Americans and Europeans are still extremely spoiled, relative to many others that are experience extreme hardships, like lack of food, clean water, shelter, clothing, any freedoms, etc., living in relative luxury, but not able to grasp nor recognize that fact, but still left to feel oppressed, wanting & desperate, relative to the ELITE whom are amassing ever-more excess & continuing to enjoy greater liberties as they continue to remove more liberties from others) .

…the most dangerous time for a bad government is usually when it begins to reform.
-Alexis de Tocqueville, The Old Regime and the Revolution (1856)-

Therefore those BAD governments avoid any true meaningful reforms.

One of my biggest worries is that if we cannot preserve the integrity & sustainability of this “more perfect union“, that was created to overcome massive abuses & corruptions of the not too distant past, what chance do we have for any further meaningful reform anyway?
We’ve been given an opportunity – and have largely failed in our own obligations to preserve our own freedoms & rights.

Irresponsible and proud
Irresponsible and proud
Feb 13, 2022 12:35 PM

“read in the days when an educated public read books, it is long forgotten.”
Already from the beginning a greatly important statement. Reading is an exercise in abstract thinking – the characteristic of speech and reason- that no other animal has and on which hierarchical structures are founded. Just as with any truth, reason can be a double-edged sword depending on which side of it you are; reason can help you establish a grasp on reality… or, in the way that Robert Lainge meant it, form categories. If the categorisation is already done for you, and the categories given to you, they replace your own abstract thinking. So, to summarise it coarsely, the more capable one is of abstract thinking the more control they have over narratives given to them.

mgeo
mgeo
Feb 13, 2022 3:37 PM

It took at least 5 decades of effort to eliminate abstract thinking, except for the children of the rulers. Soon, we may progress from SMS, slogans, etc. to total dependence on pictures, photos and videos. There may be less need to spy on private communication as it will not be too different from grunts and squeaks.

Victor G.
Victor G.
Feb 14, 2022 1:20 PM
Reply to  mgeo

Or Likes and Tweets …

NickM
NickM
Feb 15, 2022 7:16 AM
Reply to  Victor G.

+1

Sebastian
Sebastian
Feb 13, 2022 12:23 PM

Love these Sunday reflections from Mr. Curtin.

Thanks for sharing them, OffG.

NixonScraypes
NixonScraypes
Feb 13, 2022 11:30 AM

Standing on the hill at twilight, i look around me, a living man in a living world; I feel a part of a miracle. At night in winter the woods are full of death, cold and hard but the leaves uncurl in spring and night turns into day. What more could I ask? It’s wonderful and terrifying, all I have to do is remain at the fulcrum, keep that difficult, crucial balance; after all, you can’t forget how to ride a bike!

George Mc
George Mc
Feb 13, 2022 11:29 AM

The astonishingly arrogant programming by the media continues:

NY Times:

Climate Change Enters The Therapy Room

Ten years ago, psychologists proposed that a wide range of people would suffer anxiety and grief over climate. Skepticism about that idea is gone.

Something called the National NOW (“National Organization for Women”) tweets

People can experience trauma from the effects of climate change. We cannot ignore the way the climate crisis is impacting our mental health. This is incredibly important.

The media pronounceth and lo! It came to pass!

Actually it did not come to pass. This is another media construct attempting to  take the place of real life.

George Mc
George Mc
Feb 13, 2022 11:46 AM
Reply to  George Mc

This is an indication of the increasing desperation of the media. At one time I would have read it and felt it was saying, “Now this is what we want you to think” whilst it kept one eye on my reaction to see if its bullshit worked. Now it says, “Now here is what you DO think” before barging on to the next belligerently assumed projection and the next and the next.

George Mc
George Mc
Feb 13, 2022 12:15 PM
Reply to  George Mc

To revisit that National Organization for Women tweet:

“People can experience trauma from the effects of climate change.”

No they can’t. They can experience trauma from being told about it.

“We cannot ignore the way the climate crisis is impacting our mental health.”

So this fantastical direct impact of climate change (now intensified to “climate crisis“) is magnified to something “we” can’t ignore.

“This is incredibly important.”

A further intensification – though it may be taken as an indication of doubt – a repetition too far.

Thomas PainInTheAss
Thomas PainInTheAss
Feb 13, 2022 1:14 PM
Reply to  George Mc

““People can experience trauma from the effects of climate change.”

No they can’t. They can experience trauma from being told about it. “

More people should be ware of limiting & constraining themselves to merely “either/or” dichotomous thinking.
BOTH can be true, at the same time.

Natural climate change has occurred multiple times throughout known history.
It can be happening again in contemporary times.
And that possible natural event can induce feelings of trauma, fear & anxiety (change can & does often greatly affect a large number of people in negative ways).

There was a query presented in a different article here a couple of days ago, regarding the recent HIV narrative, asking the question:
If so, is this an intentional plan or an accidental consequence?

And it can be BOTH.
Throughout history it has been demonstrated that tragedy can & often does also present opportunity.
That tragedy can be either natural or human-made, or even both simultaneously.

And any potential/possible change in climate trends (regardless whether short or long-lived, regardless whether natural or human-made, or both) can & likely does present opportunity for those seeking to exploit that situation.
By exploiting the fears those changes can & often do induce in large numbers of people.

The same can be said of any potential/possible health scare, regardless whether natural or human-made, or even a combination of both.

There can be no doubt, given quality & abundance of available evidence, that death rates in numerous various countries are rising, and will continue to rise:
As Population Ages, U.S. Nears Historic Increase in Deaths

The Baby Boom experienced beginning in the 1940’s, in various countries, that resulted in massive increases in birth rates, is now resulting in significant increases in deaths.
And with a lot more people now facing a limited amount of time remaining in their lives, that is most likely inducing fear & anxiety.
Emotions that can easily be exploited.

Then, couple that with potential/possible human-made increases in death caused by a largely failing, greedy medical industry.

We currently have situations (i.e. “tragedies”) that are presenting tremendous opportunity for those seeking to profit from those events.
And those “tragedies” can be either natural or human-made, or even both simultaneously.

Beware succumbing to constraining ignorance.
More people should strive to think in more comprehensive & complex ways.
Rather than just seeking easy answers, that likely fall short of reality.
And not reject ideas just because another option is present.
Both and numerous options can exist & occur at the same time.

Howard
Howard
Feb 13, 2022 4:21 PM
Reply to  George Mc

Notwithstanding the media’s constant unsuccessful attempts at pushing “their version” of climate change, this latest wrinkle is more likely yet another attempt to substitute something other than the lockdown/”vaccine” paradigm as the cause of people’s current malaise.

Let’s weigh this equation: on this side we have a complete disruption of everything people ever did; on the other side we have a crazy mixed-up weather pattern.

No question about it: the weather done it.

NickM
NickM
Feb 15, 2022 7:23 AM
Reply to  George Mc

Thanks for dissecting the MSM’s alarmist propaganda to reveal its rhetorical skeleton. Sheds light on why Socrates went up against with the Sophists.

wardropper
wardropper
Feb 13, 2022 2:34 PM
Reply to  George Mc

Funny how my reaction these days to NY Times, BBC, Guardian, Sky, etc. tends to be:

AAAAAAAUGH !!!

I expect I’ll recover eventually…

George Mc
George Mc
Feb 13, 2022 3:31 PM
Reply to  wardropper

Actually I couldn’t access the NY piece, just the title. The barrier that asks you to subscribe can be a gift.

Clyde
Clyde
Feb 13, 2022 5:22 PM
Reply to  wardropper

When could it ever have been otherwise? Can you cite an era when corporate and state propaganda organs were different than they are now?

NickM
NickM
Feb 15, 2022 7:35 AM
Reply to  wardropper

Hope they recover eventually, because I hardly ever consult MSM these days. And if I do, with an L of a difference:

L AAAAAAAUGH !!!

Joerg
Joerg
Feb 13, 2022 11:04 AM

The hysterical-pounding “Agitprop” (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agitprop) of a supposedly aggressive Russia, the hysterical-pounding Agitprop of ‘aggressive terrorists’ (especially since 911) and the hysterical-pounding Agitprop regarding the allegedly mass-murderous SarsCov-2/Covid19 hook seamlessly into each other.
Each of these individual campaigns has its own goal. But there is also an overarching goal: it is the global establishment of “emergency decree” states.
After the Weimar Republic had become such an “emergency decree” state, everything ended in a DICTATORSHIP. It is not important that a Nazi dictatorship has just taken place. It could also have ended in a Stalinist/Maoist dictatorship. Or in a Robbespiere dictatorship. Or – at that time it was still too early for that – in an Orwellian dictatorship. The direction to the latter is obvious today.

A must see:
James Corbetts “EPISODE 411 – STATES OF EMERGENCY”
https://www.corbettreport.com/emergency/

Paul Prichard
Paul Prichard
Feb 13, 2022 11:02 AM

People shouldn’t be mislabelling anti-authoritarians as anti-vaxxers.
Your alternative update on #COVID19 for 2022-02-11. Children’s risk of Death 5100%. 130+ UK Doctors: Massive Harm. Answer is not to silence, do better (blog, gab, tweet).

Reset the Diaboligarchy
Reset the Diaboligarchy
Feb 13, 2022 10:53 AM

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Martha
Martha
Feb 13, 2022 10:25 PM

I hope we see the day when having ‘YGL of the WEF’ on your resume immediately disqualifies a person from holding any position of power at any level of industry or government.

Reset the Diaboligarchy
Reset the Diaboligarchy
Feb 13, 2022 10:50 AM

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Martha
Martha
Feb 13, 2022 10:27 PM

Tell me why Lloyd Blankfein hasn’t been in jail since 2008?

siamdave
siamdave
Feb 13, 2022 10:04 AM

The ‘argument’ seems to fail on its basic premise – if ‘god’ or whatever gave us courage, we’d all have it. Obviously we don’t all ‘have it’, therefore either god just gives it to some of us, for some reason not explained here, or there is no such being and courage comes from somewhere else. I think there are some both nature and nurture things involved, but most importantly nurture, we’re pretty ‘blank slates’ when we’re born and can be influenced in various ways by our upbringing – if we’re raised to be strong and moral and courageous, by example and teaching, we probably will be pretty good humans, if we’re raised in a situation where we’re beaten and belittled and starved both physically and emotionally, we’re probably going to wind up some kind of cripple. Kind of endless possibilities with various kinds of ‘blank slates’ to start with, but ascribing things to ‘god’ is not, to me, an excuse for any of them, just a disinclination to take responsibility for one’s own behavior.

sabelmouse
sabelmouse
Feb 13, 2022 11:54 AM
Reply to  siamdave

we’re not blank slates when we are born. anybody with more than one child, and paying attention, knows that.
50/50 i’d say, re nature/nurture.
then again, it’ all connected as one learns when studying psychological astrology.
and the experience of abuse can go digfferent ways, making one more aware, and less complacent.
personally i don’t believe in god but in a sort of spiritual web the connects us all .

Thomas PainInTheAss
Thomas PainInTheAss
Feb 13, 2022 1:44 PM
Reply to  siamdave

“we’re pretty ‘blank slates’ when we’re born…”

Careful.
How do you explain child prodigies?
There are extensive instances & demonstrations of people whom seeming possess innate skills & knowledge absent in large number of others.

Have you ever observed animals that posses seemingly “more evolved” behaviors, habits & actions?

You have expressed some good thoughts here, but beware turning your mind off to other possible alternatives.
The smartest people are those whom continue to consider alternatives & possibilities.


Cleve Backster
was an interrogation specialist for the Central Intelligence Agency, best known for his experiments with plants using a polygraph instrument in the 1960s which led to his theory of primary perception.

Based on his extensive experiments and observations, Backster theorized that there exists something in the form of cellular memory, i.e. that cells are capable of retaining “knowledge” & “memories”, for indefinite periods of time.
And that “knowledge” and “memories” are hence transferred from entity to entity, as the matter that possess that “knowledge” & “memories” is transferred.

And though we know that cells are eventually decomposed, degraded & destroyed, being reduced to atoms and/or smaller constituent particles, perhaps that “knowledge” & “memories” exist & remain at the atomic (or smaller) level.
There are successful experiments being conducted now regarding atomic-level memories.

And every bit of matter currently in existence today came from bits of matter of the past, as atoms are constantly recycled, regrouped & reformed, into new molecules & cells.
Hence everything in existence today is made of of things of the past.

So, perhaps, matter being created today innately possess those potential atomic memories of the past.
A concept that some may interpret as “reincarnation” or conceptualization of previous lives, or other such.

It may also help to explain the minds of people like Einstein, da Vinci, Plato, Galileo Galilei, Isaac Newton, and a large number of other “great thinkers” of the past (and present).
Those whom possess seemingly enhanced natural cognitive skills.

Yes, this is a bit “out there”, but most of the greatest ideas had originally been simply discarded as “eccentric”.
One of the worst habits is to simply discard possible occurrences, thoughts & such simply because we don’t believe them, or can’t comprehend them.

Do not fear to be eccentric in opinion, for every opinion now accepted was once eccentric.
-Bertrand Russell-

I hold belief the prospect that Nature & nurture both exist simultaneously.
And that even if some are born with greater innate capabilities, i.e. in the case of possible “atomic memories”, that experience (aka “nurture”) can work to level that playing field.
If a person is born with an advantage of greater natural knowledge & talents, others can work hard to obtain that same level of knowledge & talents.
It just takes more hard work to level that playing field.

Howard
Howard
Feb 13, 2022 4:33 PM

It has been said of certain people (by the literary critic F R Leavis among others) that they are “knowers.” Such a one was William Blake, whose ideas (he was a mystic as well as poet and painter) seemed to come from no particular source.

Some people just “know” things. Perhaps they’re simply more perceptive and intuitive than most – or perhaps they were born that way. As you say, it falls short of accounting for them simply as products of learning.

Howard
Howard
Feb 13, 2022 4:38 PM
Reply to  siamdave

Ironically, it sometimes takes an atheist to understand the real dynamic of the God/human relationship. Taking the concept at face value, it’s not that God endows some with courage while withholding it from others. Rather, it’s that only those who truly accept God as opposed to just having been taught to believe in God are able to attain the highest emanations of the divine, like courage.

Edith
Edith
Feb 13, 2022 7:37 PM
Reply to  Howard

One only has to attempt to understand the mechanisms of astrology to get that there certainly are higher forces at work ….even studying the construction of the human or any other organism will do it I suspect…there is magic in life….and we can experience it as both good and bad…and even that perception is determined….

to go on a journey to catch a glimpse of the amazing nature of the infinite organisation and how the hell the web hangs together is awesome….supposed science only scratches at the surface…sort of like looking at the dot and missing the picture…

and regardless of what we think of them the crazy bastards who want to control our little corners of the world are also reacting to the same forces as we are….they may well be more aware how real they are and be using the various surges of energy to get their way or may just be agents of the energy…..for everything has basically gone as one would have expected the last 2 yrs and will follow the inevitable part for the future..

Edwige
Edwige
Feb 13, 2022 9:55 AM

Which God or gods though? The people behind this op are certainly not atheists and so yet again it’s a case of the problem-causers having a ready-made solution.

Any idea that it doesn’t really matter, that all gods are just cultural variations on the same underlying phenomenon, is exactly the globalist argument for a worldwide religion. All gods are not the same. Some gave very different instructions on how to treat non-believers; some gave instructions on whether it was okay to “bear false witness”; these things matter.

“Interesting”, er, picture – the ‘God’ in question wouldn’t be T.G.A.O.U.T. slightly rearranged, would it?

sabelmouse
sabelmouse
Feb 13, 2022 11:56 AM
Reply to  Edwige

the people behind are irrelevant in a sense/they are part of the collective subconscious that drives this.
everybody is in some way.
that does not excuse them, or compliars.

wardropper
wardropper
Feb 13, 2022 2:40 PM
Reply to  sabelmouse

So all the Germans were guilty in 1933…

Their ruthless exploiters were just coincidences, and we are all living in our collective subconscious. No exceptions. Those of us who imagine our wakeful, critical consciousness to be of any value are just fooling ourselves…

I can see how Klaus Schwab would like us to believe that…
I think P.T. Barnum liked us believing that too.

sabelmouse
sabelmouse
Feb 13, 2022 3:21 PM
Reply to  wardropper

not all. my mother for instance was young and fairly isolated.
many were very enthusiastic.
this whole ” people are brainwashed by a few” does not fly with me.
we must all take responsibility for ourselves.
jung’s shadow.
even those apparently in power are subject to this.
as i’ve said, it’s no excuse.
there’s interesting stuff in here re the universe
trying to post link no clue how, it says url invalid.
”jessica davidson/ the astrology of 2022
many other good essays for those who want to delve.

wardropper
wardropper
Feb 13, 2022 5:08 PM
Reply to  sabelmouse

I agree.

It’s just that I also object to the opposite idea, that we are all ‘guilty’, when what is really happening is that ruthless manipulators are relying upon the fact that most people have not been educated to recognize them or their criminal work.

Of course many people are sheep, and sheep are a species not particularly well-trained in recognizing the smell of a wolf.
They need a shepherd – at least until they evolve to become fully human themselves, but we can obviously expect that sort of evolution to take many thousands of years… People are not all at the same stage of development, either physically or mentally.

The manipulators are the bad guys, because they know what they are doing, and what they are doing is wrong.
Most people are their victims – in fact we have probably all fallen victim to them at least once in our lives – so we need to work towards systems of government which can root out the criminals in their midst, instead of encouraging them.
It needs to be impossible for corruption to flourish in government.

Yes, idealistic, but small steps have led to great things in the past.
No reason they can’t do the same again.

Tom Larsen
Tom Larsen
Feb 14, 2022 6:58 PM
Reply to  wardropper

The sheep goes through its whole life fearing the wolf, yet in the end is killed by the shepherd.
– Proverb

Howard
Howard
Feb 13, 2022 5:12 PM
Reply to  sabelmouse

I, too, have grown weary of the “poor darlings, they’ve been dumbed down and brainwashed” meme.

Those of us who comment here have been by and large subject to the exact same “dumbing down and brainwashing” techniques. We just didn’t accept them. They did. So, yes, they’re to blame.

How can someone be “brainwashed” into thinking another person – or any living thing – doesn’t matter, so it’s alright to hurt them?

Riven
Riven
Feb 13, 2022 9:51 AM

Here is one thing the elites do fear: communication. Here is why:

why is it so vital and necessary for the combined monolithic apparatus of government, corporations, and NGOs, to brute force censor everyone while decimating the careers and reputations of the dissenters? Here is why:

The reason the First Amendment is prime directive order 1, is because it is the most important freedom we have for the same reason it is the first target an adversary subverts, disrupts, and destroys during a crime, a war, or a takeover—preventing a target from assembling, communicating, and organizing a response to an assault grants an enormous advantage to the aggressors.

This is and has been occurring all across the globe since the minute this COVID-19 fraud was propagated to every corner of the earth.

The Second Amendment is second because it is the remedy for anyone trying to subvert the First.

The fog of this war is purposefully thick—a massive labyrinth filled with wrong turns, dead ends, and long, interesting paths to nowhere—relentless discombobulation are important tentpoles of demoralization and destabilization.

https://tritorch.com/flim-flam-demic

eman
eman
Feb 13, 2022 11:41 AM
Reply to  Riven

There is strong concern about the governments constitutional obligation to protect you :freedom of speech. The first amendment says Congress shall make no law. abridging the freedom of speech.. or of the press.. ..

Let us analyze this a bit: the first amendment in the constitution does not seem to say the constitution guarantees Citizens of the United States <=freedom of speech.. <=freedom to speak, freedom from prosecution because to the speech you make or made. Nor do the words in the first amendment of the constitution guarantee NPOG-citizens <= the right to access media in order to exercise their freedom of speech rights. That is, they can speak, but can they get their speech heard or can they access media to reply to speech heard on media that someone else made
IMO, IANAL

A reading of the first amendment in practice suggest to me, the first amendment does do nearly the opposite of what we have all been taught to think it does?

The First amendment seems to guarantee that the Oligarchs who own all of the media can always use their media for propaganda purposes. The press has access to the media .. and can express itself in any form said media wishes (as can NPOG-US Citizens, except NPOG-US citizens cannot gain access to the media unless they obtain a ticket from the owners of the media).

The global corporate privately owned monopoly powered empires fund the privately owned media (tax deductible advertising). It is those corporate contributions that keep privately owned media private, highly visible and viable. So the owners of the press are guaranteed freedom of speech both by circumstance of private media ownership [they always have access] and by the fact that the press (media) owners can grant or deny access to whichever content-provider the media owners desire. (Your website cannot be viewed because private owners of the Digital Platform(that operations over the Internet) will not allow you to speak on their media.

The constitution does not allow the government to pass laws to abridge freedom of the press. The private owners of the global corporate empires, support the media by their advertising. The media owners can deny USA governed American citizens access to the private media these private persons enjoy exclusive private ownership of. In practice then, only press(media) owning citizens of USA governed Americans can occasionally be heard. In this way your freedom of speech idea has been denied.

The non-press-owner governed- U.S. Citizens [[NPOG}-USCitizens] are not guaranteed the right to speak by the current version of the first Amendment as i read it. Pass no law <d/n guarantee freedom to speak?

NPOG-USCitizens do not have control over whether or not the NPOG-US Citizen desiring to speak can gain access to the media in order that his or her speech can be heard. The constitution seems to guarantee NPOG-USCitizens who successfully gain access to media, and who do speak, the right to do so. But what is said over media is limited by many laws and supreme court rulings that punish not the saying of speech, but content of what is said. So even if a Citizen gets access to the media that which can be said without punishment is limited. . by laws which punish what is said, instead of blocking your right to say what you desire to say, they punish what you do say if they don't like what you said..

So IMO, right to speak is not in the first Amendment; its just that no law can prevent speech.
So IMO, the only thing the first amendment protects is the right to say it.
So IMO, right to gain access to the media, in order to say it, is not in the first Amendment.
so IMO, obligation of government to curb media lies, or to deny media its effort to expose to its naive audiences <=mind control engineered propaganda content is not in the first amendment.

The above is how i read the situation. I am not a lawyer and the preceding is not legal advice.
Love to hear a lawyer speak to this..

sabelmouse
sabelmouse
Feb 13, 2022 12:27 PM
Reply to  Riven

parasites!

Johnny
Johnny
Feb 13, 2022 9:23 AM

Thanks Edward.
Another great book about being is Erich Fromm’s ‘To Have Or To Be’ published in the mid seventies:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/To_Have_or_to_Be%3F
Please keep in mind Edward that Maurice Bucke, the author of ‘Cosmic Consciousness’ (1902), slipped on ice outside his home and never regained consciousness:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Maurice_Bucke

Sebastian
Sebastian
Feb 13, 2022 12:51 PM
Reply to  Johnny

Mystic humour.

Sebastian
Sebastian
Feb 13, 2022 1:05 PM
Reply to  Johnny

Another book that may be of interest to you, Johnny, is J.W. Dunne’s ‘An Experiment with Time’.

https://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/An_Experiment_with_Time

It’s a difficult book to find, but it is out there.

Sebastian
Sebastian
Feb 13, 2022 4:32 PM
Reply to  Sebastian

BTW, contrary to the Wikipedia entry, J.W. Dunne was born in Ireland to an Irish father – making him Irish.

Johnny
Johnny
Feb 14, 2022 10:05 AM
Reply to  Sebastian

Thanks Sebastian.

Argon
Argon
Feb 13, 2022 9:07 AM

Why do concepts/ideas like this ‘trend’?

I’ve read Tillichs’ work. I’m also very aware of his influences work, as well as those who carried it on, such as the psychologist Rollo May.

One recurring theme in almost all of their work is not giving into the fear ‘to be’ not just because of the fear that is ‘at ones throat,’ but the comfort of conformity as well.

There is an odd conformity within ‘independent’ media sometimes, more than there should be. It follows trends, tweets right on time, as if the bribes, pressures, creature comforts it is calling independent are falling into the same problems the so-called mainstream did at breakneck speed.

If groups of people, and the individuals within those groups, are going to have this kind of courage, one of the most disgusting things that could be done to warp their ability to do so is to mimic that action, then fail at it- as has already been done a number of times in the 20th century, with a few loaded movements, counter-culture figures who lectured about ‘existential’ figures like Herman Hesse- like your Rolling Stones, Bob Dylans- only to become expert money launderers a decade later, and medical-biofascists after that.

Tillich himself had two books written about him, dividing his legacy into a puzzling contradiction- one Smear-Piece written by his wife, and the other, ‘Paulus,’ written by Rollo May.

Given that his wife’s book was about his philandering practices, it’s doubtful that in the current era of blackmail, scandal, and reactionary-puritanism, his work would even get published. He’d have been shaken down and extorted, used as a stooge or gagged with a sock.

Then people wonder where the ‘courage to be’ is. Well.

Brad Porter
Brad Porter
Feb 13, 2022 8:50 AM

Hello,

I enjoyed this article very much. I’ve never commented on your platform before but felt I should after reading this.

On 12/12/21 I left the safety and comfort of the Matrix “USA” and headed to McAllen Texas where I walked across the border with no passport, no Vaccine and no money in my pockets. I was traveling light with a backpack.

I have now traveled over 8000 miles through North and Central America amongst the people with my faith in humanity, kindness in my heart and my immune system. I’ve never been healthier or happier!

I started to share my story on Facebook with hundreds of people before Facebook deleted my entire account. This account of mine was over 10 years old with friends and family and over a decade of content wiped clean from the platform. They only stated I violated Community Standards.

I started making videos on TicTok and felt the need to support the CANADIAN TRUCKERS only to have the video deleted from their platform.

Censorship is very real! I AM being censored for speaking plain truth. But with all this Censorship it has created a deeper faith that I AM on the right path.

I AM grateful if you took the time to read this and I have faith in you!

Sincerely,
Brad Porter

Sebastian
Sebastian
Feb 13, 2022 1:09 PM
Reply to  Brad Porter

Amazing bravery and courage! More Power to you, Brad.

Esmeralda
Esmeralda
Feb 13, 2022 7:17 PM
Reply to  Brad Porter

Very cool (and brave). Good on you for taking the leap into the unknown. From my youthful backpacking adventures I also came, 99% of the time, across lovely and giving people which really restored my faith in humanity….which is really suffering at the moment with all this covid madness. Wish I could put on my backpack and head off again. Unfortunately in Italy I can’t even catch the local transport without a test 😖. All the best 👍

Victor G.
Victor G.
Feb 14, 2022 2:01 PM
Reply to  Esmeralda

Resisti, Esmè … La gente come noi eccc.

County Girl
County Girl
Feb 16, 2022 10:49 PM
Reply to  Brad Porter

I loved your post. Perhaps you could tell us about your travels with comments on Off-G. I would be interested to hear more.

Brianborou
Brianborou
Feb 13, 2022 8:43 AM

The Devine spirit will triumph!

sabelmouse
sabelmouse
Feb 13, 2022 12:39 PM
Reply to  Brianborou

the war mentality is part of the problem

Brianborou
Brianborou
Feb 13, 2022 1:15 PM
Reply to  sabelmouse

War is insane as are the Rats Pack of Satanists ,behind WW1,WW2, the Bolshevik Revolution, the Nazis, the Cold War, Korean War, Vietnam war, 1913 Federal Reserve Act, 1929 Wall Street Crash, 2008 financial crash, the 11th September 2001 crashes and the 2020 cognitive crash, insane.

Nevertheless, the Devine spirit will prevail in the long run !

sabelmouse
sabelmouse
Feb 13, 2022 2:09 PM
Reply to  Brianborou

will triumph is kind of warlike.

wardropper
wardropper
Feb 13, 2022 2:47 PM
Reply to  sabelmouse

Cheer up, sabel.
Sometimes spiritual triumph really is triumph.
We all have the task of overcoming our ‘lower nature’, and even modest success at that is a cause for rejoicing – before we move on to the next challenge.

jubal hershaw
jubal hershaw
Feb 14, 2022 12:00 AM
Reply to  wardropper

I like my lower nature. It’s others higher nature that fucks me about.
They all know what’s best for everyone. They want to cyborg us, get rid of our lower nature, without which we become trans -but not fully- human

Brianborou
Brianborou
Feb 14, 2022 9:41 AM
Reply to  jubal hershaw

The hubris of the elites is always the trap they fall into because they never take heed of the biblical proverb “ pride goes before destruction.. “. They will fail

Brianborou
Brianborou
Feb 13, 2022 3:46 PM
Reply to  sabelmouse

It’s also named after a motorbike but it is not what I am referring to !

Rhisiart Gwilym
Rhisiart Gwilym
Feb 13, 2022 2:45 PM
Reply to  Brianborou

Good old George!

rubberheid
rubberheid
Feb 13, 2022 4:07 PM
Reply to  Brianborou

was that that “artiste” that swung you right round? lol…
do clarify.
: )

Brianborou
Brianborou
Feb 13, 2022 5:13 PM
Reply to  rubberheid

He was the one who swung the creature with bad breath around. And to clarify it got the point !

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5u65do-Ov7U

Rhisiart Gwilym
Rhisiart Gwilym
Feb 13, 2022 2:43 PM
Reply to  Brianborou

George Devine, is that?

Brianborou
Brianborou
Feb 13, 2022 3:45 PM

Neither George Formby, George Foreman, nor George V or his son George VI.

More in line with the one who slew the dragon !

Sebastian
Sebastian
Feb 13, 2022 4:12 PM
Reply to  Brianborou

Ok, I’ll have to be the one – it’s spelled divine.

Saint Patrick was Welsh and came to our emerald shores with a divine message, if that helps, Rhisiart Gwilym?

Brianborou
Brianborou
Feb 13, 2022 8:42 PM
Reply to  Sebastian

I was having such fun, still it is inspiring when punters get the point instead of piddling about on trivia !

It seems both St Patrick and St George had something in common. Is that not divine !

Howard
Howard
Feb 13, 2022 5:25 PM

Oh dear, my American rube roots are showing: my first thought was Andy Devine!

Brianborou
Brianborou
Feb 13, 2022 6:14 PM
Reply to  Howard

Was he was a slayer of bad breath as well ?

Brianborou
Brianborou
Feb 13, 2022 6:16 PM
Reply to  Brianborou

Was he a slayer of bad breath as well ?

Sebastian
Sebastian
Feb 13, 2022 6:52 PM
Reply to  Brianborou

So good it had to be said twice.

Brianborou
Brianborou
Feb 13, 2022 8:30 PM
Reply to  Sebastian

Better than never saying it !

Sebastian
Sebastian
Feb 13, 2022 8:50 PM
Reply to  Brianborou

And we said face masks served no purpose!

Brianborou
Brianborou
Feb 13, 2022 11:16 PM
Reply to  Sebastian

About as useful as an ash tray on a motorbike or is it punters pontificating about an e !

jubal hershaw
jubal hershaw
Feb 13, 2022 9:58 PM
Reply to  Brianborou

Divine – if that helps.
I had to check that when you devine for water, devine meaning ‘guess’
you divine for water, and you divine as in ‘guess.
i too thought it was devine.

Brianborou
Brianborou
Feb 13, 2022 11:10 PM
Reply to  jubal hershaw

Alas, some punters become obsessed with trivia rather than focus on the core point I originally posted which is pretty ironic since this is something the MSM employ. Nevertheless, it was quite amusing to observe those , who should know better, dancing over an e !

Sebastian
Sebastian
Feb 13, 2022 11:30 PM
Reply to  Brianborou

Take the hit while the rest of us roll, dude.

It’s just a simple spelling mistake that others didn’t correct to further their mocking of you.

I did you a favour. Stop ruining my buzz.

Brianborou.
Brianborou.
Feb 14, 2022 8:04 AM
Reply to  Sebastian

Oh I don’t mind the spelling mistake mate, I realized I made it after the first nit picking comment. To err is to be human.

However, it is when some punters dwelt on trivia rather than the overall message it made me laugh.

I would read your post again matey if you consider that a favour. Sleep tight don’t let the trivia bite !

jubal hershaw
jubal hershaw
Feb 14, 2022 12:02 AM
Reply to  Brianborou

e-dancing ! Sounds like fun !

Brianborou.
Brianborou.
Feb 14, 2022 8:05 AM
Reply to  jubal hershaw

It was a sight to behold !