WATCH: “World Govt Summit” + “Bucha massacre”
In the above edition of New World Next Week, James Corbett and James Evan Pilato discuss, amongst other things, some interesting instances of “saying the quiet part out loud” at the “World Government Summit”.
Yes, you read that right – the World Government Summit is a thing. And it features exactly the ‘sordid cast of characters’ you might expect.
James and James also discuss the alleged massacre of civilians by – well, someone – in the small town of Bucha outside Kiev. And they provide some increasingly-rare level-headedness about this tortured topic.
Since the Russian “special operation” in Ukraine people have rushed to take a side, heedless of the broader agenda at play.
EP and C remind us:
§ We are not there on the ground, and have no idea what happened (or didn’t happen).
§ Both sides engage in spin and propaganda, that is the nature of war.
§ Both sides have been accused of using “fake” footage, with the Western press endorsing what have turned out to be definite proven fakes dozens of times at this point.
In addition the Russian MoD has officially accused Ukraine of being intent on “staging” incidents using bodies from morgues or alleged victims of other alleged incidents (our emphasis)…
The Security Service of Ukraine plans to bring the bodies of local residents killed by Ukrainian artillery shelling from the morgue of the town hospital on Polevaya Street to the basement of a building on the eastern outskirts of Irpen.
Then a staged action with shooting and “destruction” of an alleged “Russian reconnaissance group” that arrived in Irpen “to kill witnesses of Russian war crimes” will be staged by the Security Service of Ukraine in Puscha-Voditskii forest area.
At the same time, the bodies of captured Russian servicemen previously killed by nationalists under torture will be presented as “undeniable evidence” in the forest.
So the fog is dense on this one, and indeed lies thick over the entirety of Ukraine right now.
If you are not actually out there, or even if you are, the chance that you have any kind of grasp of the full story is vanishingly small.
This is one reason we are not following the example of some other indy media and offering daily “sitreps” synthesized from nothing more than Russian MoD briefings, unverified videos and “chatter” in the ether.
We are in no position to offer verification of anything being reported. None of us are, even those freely sharing this stuff.
Moreover we are aware this “operation” and concomitant “sanctions” promotes the same agenda that the utterly phony “pandemic” is intended to. So regarding it in pre-2020 terms as a simple proxy NATO war is unwarranted and unwise.
This is the New Normal after all, and what we are witnessing may well be the first “new normal war”, whatever that may turn out to mean.
Until all becomes clearer we will not be pushing anyone’s propaganda or promoting simplistic binary thinking when this seems to be one very clear result/objective of the “special operation” itself.
Sources show notes and download options are available here, and you can read/watch more of both James’ work here and here.
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There is a photo journalist called Patrick Lancaster travelling with the DPR and Russian armies who has interviewed dozens of citizens in the Donbass and Mariupol. His reports are on YouTube. You can hear the truth directly from these people who are living in this nightmare. They unanimously tell how the Ukrainian/Nazi troops are using them as human shields, deploying heavy artillery between apartment blocks and at schools, hospitals, theatres and firing on Russin troops and civilians from these buildings. This is a war crime. If the Russian side returns fire and civilians are killed they are used as anti Russian propaganda. The Ukrainian side also shell on civilian areas as they retreat.
This has been going on for 8 years.
Cynical, pathetic rubbish writing
Hate it when Jamesian know-nothings take time out to puff each other up on deadly current affair of the world.
And the segue into COVID?
Go be trapped on video somewhere if you can’t insert something honest like ‘Bucha? I don’t know anything about elitism turned into NAZI supremacists.”
Yeah, right.
Oooff.
Am a fan of James Evan so new to you.
He recommenced you.
hello
The arrogance & acceleration of self presumed total power of these Orwell’ Soundalikes
( and; in Schwab’s case imagine a perfect lookalike ) , seems be marching on at a frightening pace .If like myself watching BBC and MSM just makes one feel ill.
Apart from Off guardian &UK Columncan anybody recommend trusted news providers ?
Still with the Jimmy promotions… Come on “Corbeteers” gather round.
Why has my comment not been published about the fake body shown on Sky News as being real?
I wasn’t comfortable showing graphic images of dead bodies on here, but I’m awaiting clarification from an ed. I can post as a simple link maybe
Funny that, as here is a debacle involving Ozzie Cossack in Australia outside the Russian Consulate.
A Spook protester erected a banner of dead children and the fed police and nsw police though is was NOT offensive (according to their lawyers). They defended it as rightful protest.
The Oz Cossack is a controlled op too, but it was fun drama none the less. A bit like a soap opera or judge judy, shit like that…
Anyway, toughen up Sophie stop being a snow flake. It’s no the 6 oclock news, we have thick skin here. If sky broadcasts it in lounge rooms world wide, why not OG.
Here is the link. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HCxqWyjMMFE
FWIW, I could do without the extremely graphic “historic” snuff images that are recurrently posted here from time to time.
Of course, “gratuitous” and “crossing a line” are in the eye of the beholder, but it feels like the images are posted as a form of (misplaced) “tough love” to shock the conscience of viewers.
I’m also going to post this here if I may, just to document. That certainly looks like a fake body being lifted. The legs bend as if boneless and it looks very light.
It’s only a single example but why would a real war need fake bodies?
https://twitter.com/four_ass_monkey/status/1511783330408194051?s=21&t=yEoyI1yFDTR2o4kzYYLuVA
Yes, it’s propaganda and it’s coming from both sides. But is anybody still claiming it’s fake?
https://southfront.org/russian-response-to-afu-azov-regiments-motivational-video
BTW; the “it’s all fake” narrative was also manufactured propaganda!
In fairness the “it’s fake” narrative quoted in the article came from the Russian MoD who presumably still stand by it. You could contact them for clarification. But of course it still might be disinformation as you say
I haven’t been tracking it enough to remember where it was coming from, but there was a narrative floating about that the entire war some wag-the-dog creation. Although there has clearly been a lot of fakery in news and social media reports, the notion that everything is fake is highly dubious given the well-documented history of the region. With regard to Bucha, I haven’t looked at it probably, but I assume it’s another “white helmets” production; which may or may not involve real bodies.
Come on man. It’s not fake, remember Rocky 4. The Russian is a cheat using steroids and Rocky is doing sit ups upside down and bench pressing logs in a barn. El natural…
These Russians are bad news. Never been to Russia, but I just instinctively know these things…
Gonzalo Lira pointed out that whilst there were clearly dead bodies to be seen in Bucha (particularly the ones whose faces were shown), his opinion (with which I agree) was that mannequins had been used in some of the street scenes to supplement the image of mass murder. That opinion, and other views he held openly, now appear to have got him tortured and murdered by the Kraken brigade of the Azovs. They were led to him by a chilling, psychopathic individual going by the name of Sarah Ashton-Cirillo (correspondent for The Daily Beast) who is embedded with the Nazis in Kharkov and who has declared that the next target for elimination is Patrick Lancaster. She even changed her Twitter Bio yesterday to read “Trans killer of journalists”.
I don’t know what the war is really, but the videos that Patrick Lancaster is selling on YouTube do not represent any real battle situation. Some points The guy wearing the Russian army flash and claiming to be Russian army is wrong side of fifty and overweight. No way he’s in the professional army or even territorial. Would be surprised if even the Donbas militia would take him for active combat. He’d be a liability. No way he or any of the guys in this or a previous video from yesterday have been military trained to use those firearms. They are amateurs. They don’t have any trigger discipline, they don’t take up firing positions. Who are they firing at? That’s not a rocket launcher it’s a relatively close combat weapon. If you can’t seen anyone you are probably not going to hit them. He’s literally just spraying the air. What… Read more »
I wouldn’t call it fake. Just not that significant. They’re safely outside the ‘Azovstal’ complex and at a relatively safe distance from the ‘cleanup’ action. So they wouldn’t need to be superfit. The occasional bit of covering fire maybe to deter counteraction, whilst younger, fitter troops do the actual ‘cleanup’ work in the distance. The main military ‘storm’ would have happened previously. Followed by a ‘cleanup’ stage of removing stragglers (the odd sniper etc). A stage that generally seems to consist of sending in tanks and blasting enemy buildings until they’re ‘safe’ (likely off camera). You wouldn’t expose infantry to potential sniper fire. Though a Russian reporter recently described the ‘cleanup’ stage as still far more dangerous than the initial ‘storm’. Other footage yesterday (Wednesday) also indicated a high level of noise from the Steel plant area (which is apparently a massive area -at least 11km square). So I would think that… Read more »
It’s not a real combat situation. They would not let a guy of that age and that unfit anywhere near the frontline. Plus he’s clearly had no weapons training which makes him a liability and serious danger to other men in his unit. That video is a fictional drama as far as I am concerned. What you describe is not how infantry or artillery work together. Why would you send in that amount of hardware, waste so much ordnance just to take out two snipers and a machine gun nest inside an empty building? You’d send in maybe a single armored vehicle and a few men for covering fire and send a small group up inside the building asap to take them out. You would obviously cease firing in the building once your men were inside. Shelling a building that size with small caliber ordnance is a terrible way to… Read more »
Patrick Lancaster is embedded with the DPR not the Russian army, they were and effectively still are a militia although over the last 8 years they have got more equipment and training
Patrick has been covering this conflict for years when nobody in the west give a toss about it,his videos are there for all to see going back to the beginning of the issue when it was basically civilians against the Ukranian army
Here’s an example of a Ukrainian “soldier” (or crises actor?) – 2 min. video clip:
If this was planned by Putin, it’s absolute genius!
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Nabiullina and Putin discuss the Russian Economy and failed Blitzkrieg
The Duran: Episode 1263
Another part of the agenda marches on:
https://dumptheguardian.com/technology/2022/apr/20/self-driving-car-users-could-watch-films-on-motorway-under-new-dft-proposals
The insurance companies will pay for crashes (meaning policy holders pay through higher premiums) so that’s the tech companies protected from liability…. again.
What do you think all the extensive motorway / road digging new smart lighting – fiber optic apparatus during covid was about.
Road building and maintenance is going to need a lot of oil/coal so these “green” electric, robot cars can exist.
Not all that good for climate change – but we’re not supposed to notice that.
Humanity is being destroyed under the power of MONEY. And they don’t know what money is, how it is created and by whom, and what’s the worth of money. They just believe in it. They don’t know it’s fake. They think it’s essential. They think it’s better than them. They think they’re worthless.
@5:15
Who are the belligerents?
It’s basically Them vs Us: the 0.001% socalled Elite (Latin for “Chosen”, actually Self Chosen) versus the Rest of Creation (the rest of Humanity, other species and what remains of the habitable Universe)
If it were just Them vs Us (Oligarchs vs Plebs), they would have won by now. There’s nothing much stopping them. Look how easily they got working class slavs fighting other working class slavs. It’s the same trick every time.
Ukraine has the most evil dictatorship on earth nowadays: Nato countries not only support Nazis but torturing Nazis.
No more parties allowed – except this Nazi party of Zelensky.
” “ONE LESS TRAITOR”: ZELENSKY OVERSEES CAMPAIGN OF ASSASSINATION, KIDNAPPING AND TORTURE OF POLITICAL OPPOSITION ” – https://www.sott.net/article/466876-One-less-traitor-Zelensky-oversees-campaign-of-assassination-kidnapping-and-torture-of-political-opposition
Most of what i posted about ‘covid’ was speculation; some of it turned out to be spot-on. I expect that some of the speculations i post about the US(NATO) war against Russia will also turn out to be spot-on…
It’s a bit like the Covid marches.
Always a MSM camera man in the right place at the right time to film or photograph the paid for agitator or crisis actors.
MSM can’t ever be trusted again…
Lies, deceptions and propaganda.
Just a paid for outlet for the globalist agenda.
Paid for agitators – actors with links to the establishment organized a majority of the’ ask permission from the government to be able to assemble marches’ that is why.
From a speech by Reverend Nasr’Allah of Lebanon about global politics, with particular reference to Ukraine: Trusting the United States is stupid and foolish. A few months ago we saw with our own eyes how the United States in Afghanistan abandoned and forsook the country. The images of the planes and the airport are still fresh in everyone’s mind. Let’s not forget the Afghan President who was 100% subservient to the US, to the point that if they told him not to negotiate he didn’t do it –while the United States themselves negotiated –, if they asked him not to go somewhere, he didn’t go there, if they wanted him to go to such and such a country, he went there, and so on. He was 100%… So the former Afghan President says: “My mistake was to trust the United States and its international allies.” He claims that he gave… Read more »
In 1999, the Dalai Lama once said publicly that his greatest regret in life was working for the
C.I.A , for $180,000 bucks per year, until 1974: official U.S. government personal Dalai wages,
In the pocket. No way will China ever allow him back, until @minimum, he reflects and reiterates,
His disloyal failure of judgement and weak ego, moreover… Tibet & Water Governs Food supply.
A public confirmation of Chinese thinking. Ironically, Nixon cut all Lama funding,
Inc. Rocky Mountain terrorist training grounds.
The Lamas also entertained the Nazis, prior to WW2
Fascinated with Goebbels representations,
Back home, old footage showing Lamas were Brutal.
Just a thought. Fair comment NickM.
It is interesting to read the comments. Let’s all speculate on whose zooming who, whilst thousands of buildings and billions of dollars of civil infrastructure are reduced to rubble. Great. Now we can (some day) rebuild everything all over again.
Cities are nothing but great targets for military operations. Let’s build them over and over. Duh! Get rid of your military bastards. All these bastards do is fuck you up…
After direct or indirect imperial involvement, reconstruction is a deliberate goal. Other post-war goals:
-“Restitution” from the designated enemy
-Payment for rescue and for continued “protection” from the ally
-Natural resources under kleptocratic trade
-Armaments
-Usurious loans
-Workers: skilled, unskilled or enslaved workers.
During the war, the covert booty includes
-Bullion, valuables in safe-deposit boxes, and cash reserves
-Aid meant for victims
-Aid for military training or “development”.
-Valuables and other assets seized from businesses, homes, people, corpses, etc.
-Machinery and related supplies
-Cultural artefacts
-Natural resources, e.g. grain or minerals
-Research, designs, patents, etc.
-Human body parts*
-Narcotics.
*After their wounded colleagues disappeared at the Donbas front, some Ukranian soldiers deserted when Germany announced donation of a field hospital and crematorium. White Helmets from Syria were also planning to go there after their “humanitarian” work in Syria.
“Usurious loans”. Bingo! +1
Now I know the real meaning of “build back better”!
Or should that be “billed back. That’s better”?
‘Bild.Bäck.Beta. ‘
Like a Jacinda’rella,
Loving military…
Charades. 😉
SCRAPS FROM RUSSIAN SITES Azovstal plant in the city of Mariupol to fall in next couple days. Ukraine’s main center of resistance remains there. https://english.pravda.ru/news/hotspots/151224-azovstal/ [I’m confused; I thought they’d already surrendered.] — Can’t remember which Russian site carried it, but they’ve decided not to storm the Azovstal plant; it’s been occupied since 2014 and is extremely fortified. So they’ll use laser guided missiles and thermobaric weapons instead. — WESTERN TRICK TO CAMOUFLAGE INCOMING WEAPONS DOESN’T WORK In the Russian non-contact strategy, preference is given to missile and air strikes to destroy equipment and weapons supplied from NATO member countries, said military expert Yuri Knutov. The Russian Ministry of Defense reported that a Ukrainian military transport aircraft with a large batch of foreign weapons was destroyed. But NATO countries are only increasing deliveries, and now we are talking about heavy equipment, such as T-72 tanks, BMP-1, S-300 complexes. Now the… Read more »
“I’m confused; I thought they’d already surrendered”
Only about 1200 surrendered. But they were at a nearby factory complex (not Avostal). Avostal has a vast network of tunnels below the ground. One of the chambers is thought to have been used by the Azov battalion to torture unsympathetic residents of Mariupol since 2014.
Apparently the Nazis have taken civilian hostages in with them as human shields. There are likely to be civilian remains from the tortured victims. This is the last stronghold and the Russians believe when Avostal reveals its secrets that Kiev and the west have much to fear.
I have read all kinds of stories, that the Russian armed forces are going in with flamethrowers, that they are flooding the air-conditioning systems, that they are using bunker-bombs, that they are waiting and starving the inmates to force them out.
On this I really don’t know.
John, thanks for the info. Rusvesna says US wants to involve NATO in the evacuation from Mariupol. Fat chance!
I have something more interesting than the title movie
Excellent video. Douglas Valentine knows the truth.
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I don’t agree. Yes, I am not there on the ground. But I like to think that in Nazi Germany I would have been one of those who spoke out about the atrocities. It is one of the reasons I am speaking out about the Ukrainian Banderist atrocities. People like the two Jamess, at least on this occasion, are irresponsible and letting the culpable walk free.
There is already sufficient evidence to show what the Nazis have done and there is no excuse for it. Not attributing blame allows the perpetrators to continue unpunished. Sorry, this time they are wrong. Here’s why.
https://johnplatinumgoss.com/2022/03/28/war-is-not-for-the-faint-hearted/
Why should these criminals not be brought to task? Why should Russia not be allowed a voice on the world stage? Yes, there may be propaganda. But it is cowardly to sit back and pretend it is all propaganda from both sides.
Also, regarding the Bucha massacre the satellite image was taken after the Nazis arrived.
https://www.globalresearch.ca/fakes-anti-russian-propaganda/5777833
Another detail I remember from my colleague in Sweden, Professor Marcello de Noli, those killed were wearing white armbands. Citizens who were neutral were encouraged by the Russians to wear white armbands. That turned out to be a big mistake.
I’m sorry, James Corbett, you have to take sides. You have to make up your mind based on what you observe, what you read, what your gut tells you.
I agree, John. It’s pretty obvious who’s lying. Within the context of this war, Russia is clearly the good guy. However, in the larger context of the war against humanity being waged by the billionaire gangsters I think Putin is one of them. The evidence: –The West is vulnerable to the dissemination of information about the Great Reset / NWO. Putin has a built-in bandstand from which to warn everyone, but he is silent. –Putin is FOR all the elements of the NWO: the covid exaggeration, APG (Anthropogenic global warming) hoax, etc. –Putin appears to have cooperated in the actions of the Russian Central Bank which have prevented rapid development of the Russian economy. Nor did he complain when the RCB stopped buying Russian-mined gold, allowing it to be bought by Britain to shore up the pound. –Nor is there any doubt whatever that both the Russian entry into the… Read more »
Weeks ago, Pepe Escobar quoted the Russian Finance Minister as saying that half of the gold reserves of the country are outside its control (abroad). I have not seen any repeat of this shocking news.
I’ve wondered myself why Putin has stayed silent through the WEF’s explicitly-stated domination of the world (which includes Russia) and why he went along with the Covid farce. I don’t have the answer – unless he’s playing a waiting game – buying time. Sputnik V was out before any of the death-shots. It does not appear to be as deadly as the others.
Also his association with Klaus Schwab is disturbing. But then all leaders seem to have no compunction about giving one another a hug (for example, Blair’s hugging of Gaddafi before the west turned Libya into a failed state).
I’m not making excuses. Only time will tell. I notice these world leaders never put themselves physically at the front in times of war.
Brought to task by who? Palestinians lost almost their entire country, and the people of “free civilised” world are still wringing their hands over the matter.
I can’t deny it’s a good question. And agree too with the Palestinian analogy. Sadly the US has bought control of all the major international bodies – UN, WHO, even the ICC (to which it is not even a signatory). Hopefully it will not always be that way. We must keep fighting the evil – fighting for justice – awakening the dozy masses.
Do your readers have any clue how easy they are to manipulate? I don’t think so. Throw em a war and they leap on it like street dogs on a half eaten burger. Pathetic
Probably should have listened to Noam Chomsky. He definitely was not cheering the war on. Was actually a pretty good interview, till towards the end he started pushing other agendas.
He lost me After calling the in jabbed selfish and of course his silence on the September drama was deafening ✋
Same here ✋
did you mean un jabbed ?
Remember, this is not a real war; only a Special Operation to de-Nazify (ie, de-NATZOfy) Ukraine. It began 8 years after the Obomba/Biden/Nudelman Noodles coup which installed an Anglo Zionazi Oligarch regime which began genocidal activities against Russian-speaking Ukrainians, repeatedly refused to make peace (Minsk 1, Minks 2) and invited NATZO to install nuclear weapons in Ukraine.
Real war might begin when NATZO refuses to remove its nuclear weapons from Eastern Europe.
Russia’s stated objective: No NATZO Nukes East of Berlin!
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They never said SORRY!!!
You want to know Ukrainians better? Check this out: https://justiceforpolishvictims.org/polish-experience/the-wolyn-massacre-77-years-ago-around-100000-poles-were-slaughtered-with-utmost-cruelty-by-ukrainian-nationalists/
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True, it cannot be denied, and Poles are by and large acutely aware of these heinous crimes. Indeed, I’ve even come across a debate of sorts as to whether the Polish government should take western Ukraine politicians to task over the erecting of Bandera statues. Indeed, I agree that the Polish government should be more proactive in this matter – especially now. But does that mean Poland shouldn’t fully support Ukraine in its hour of need? Certainly not! If you take a more thorough look at that webpage, you’ll find numerous articles on could be broadly termed “Russky mir”, The crimes against humanity of that particular empire are so vast it’s even hard to fully comprehend. For instance, the 1938 NKVD Polish Operation is something even many Poles are unaware off. And have the Russians ever apologised? In the 1990s, Russians were asked to name the greatest Russian leader. The… Read more »
The dictator in Kyiv arrested the leader of the opposition party. Here a German article with translation-link:
*https://www.anti-spiegel.ru/2022/aussagen-aus-ihm-herauspruegeln-im-westen-keine-kritik-an-folter-des-ukrainischen-oppositionsfuehrers/
Translation-link:
https://www-anti–spiegel-ru.translate.goog/2022/aussagen-aus-ihm-herauspruegeln-im-westen-keine-kritik-an-folter-des-ukrainischen-oppositionsfuehrers/?doing_wp_cron=1650274934.0684199333190917968750&_x_tr_sl=de&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=de&_x_tr_pto=wapp
Also read: ” “ONE LESS TRAITOR”: ZELENSKY OVERSEES CAMPAIGN OF ASSASSINATION, KIDNAPPING AND TORTURE OF POLITICAL OPPOSITION ” – https://www.sott.net/article/466876-One-less-traitor-Zelensky-oversees-campaign-of-assassination-kidnapping-and-torture-of-political-opposition
What if there was no massacre? What if the war is as fake as the pandemic?
What if OffG doesn’t exist, and we’re all dreaming…?
Come on… “What if?” leads nowhere.
You may be right, but you may also not be.
What if the pandemic wasn’t real? A2
The pandemic was NOT real. Is the war real? Good question. Is it completely fabricated? Is it grossly overblown? Is it happening more or less as reported, minus the propaganda regarding who blew up more hospitals? There are tons of Ukie refugees here. Most of them don’t seem particularly distressed. They’re all over the malls and shops. If I could describe them using one word, I’d say “entitled”. Entitled to get this, that, the other thing. There is this feeling that the West is under an obligation to take care of them. Anyway, people say that in the majority of the Ukie territory, nothing out of the ordinary is happening. Apart from the ubiquitous corruption and misery, I guess. Given how the media are manipulating people, nothing can be taken for granted, nothing can be trusted. So, just like there are sick people and hospitals are filled up to the… Read more »
Given events in recent years and greater revelations of the path we very much appear to be on*, I could see this as an arranged conflict to further that agenda; with much of it being stage managed (this doesn’t mean lives are not lost of course). As wardropper says, it could be, it could not be, and we could never know. Nothing wrong speculating and questioning though, as long as we don’t just accept one narrative over another without irrefutable proof; which I would argue is almost impossible for most of us. My completely unsolicited advice would be to read as many varied views of the same event as you can and believe none of them. Knowledge maketh a wise man (or woman). What more can one do, than know all that you reasonably can about a subject or event? Then to share it all and spread the wisdom! *intentional… Read more »
I listen to James Evan Pilato every chance I get. He’s the real deal. He might not get everything right or maybe he does but one thing is certain, his heart is in the right place. I highly recommend Media Monarchy.
Their side:
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/video-of-ukrainian-soldiers-with-pets-shows-their-softer-side-dd82d6lpg
Our side:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10671601/Russian-soldiers-sick-ration-packs-eating-dogs-Ukraine-intercepted-phone-call-reveals.html
From the crucifixion of Belgian babies/nuns to babies from incubators, it’s the same old Bernays’ playbook.
Except I think the propaganda is intentionally selling both sides this time. It’s selling Ukraine to the Normies, and Russia to the alternatives like us. Which is why the MSM keep letting slip all these tidbits to sustain us – like the Biden laptop, so-called bio-labs, how totally NAZI the Nazis are. I think this time there’s some very deep stuff going on. I’m hoping some Indy outlets catch on soon.
Interesting observation. We’ve been discussing this possibility too. A2
I had that suspicion myself. And it may be that the entire Ukraine matter means to set up the most violent disagreements across both media and public to fill in the void left by covid where no disagreement would be tolerated at all. Hey look: Ukraine! The Left can be sceptics again! We can have “genuine” dissent! Just like the good old days (pre 2020).
And what is going on under all this distraction?
Are the planners consolidating their power while the world gazes elsewhere? Building more 5G infrastructure, preparing for the switch to cashless, lining up investors for impact investing, setting up the social credit system? Preparing us for social/economic crash and shortages???
They (the planners) are hiding something big, I am sure, and – as usual – nudging us to blame the wrong target….Russia/covid/selfishness/etc. etc.
I agree, it’s a similar comment to what I put above.
I think you are right, Russia, NATO, China, and the powers that be in Ukraine are actually all colluding to bring about a scenario where a one-world-government is to be established. The “pandemic”, war in Ukraine, crashing world economy, single world digital currency and corporate takeover dictatorship are all in the bigger plans.
How many people need to be killed for it to be called a massacre? Five? Ten? Well, if the Ukrainians are now claiming it was more like 400 or even more, they must surely be overdoing it! And all those eyewitnesses, the weeping women, the stunned men? Well, they all must be “passive Nazis” and bloody good actors. Besides, who’d ever heard of Russian troops murdering, pillaging and raping! Never heard of such things happening ever before, have you? Besides, the Russians have denied it. The rage of the Ukrainians against the Muscovites is simply because they watched too much globalist mainstream television (on sets now nicked by the Russian visitors). They’re brainwashed, unlike James Evan Pilato. Yep, and when you hear of a war on the other side of the world, you immediately know it’s not what it seems. You know it a geopolitical war (though all wars are… Read more »
Five dead qualified in the Boston Massacre.
But those were Imperial Citizens. There, 3 or more victims of shooting on the street qualifies as a mass shooting.
#TrustTheScienceFraud is gaining momentum as perhaps the biggest crime against humanity. https://rumble.com/v11e365-blackrocks-edward-dowd-reveals-wall-street-now-paying-attention-to-the-trus.html
Technocrats seek to create a time-consuming Rube Goldberg narrow-minded thought process in an attempt to slow down big picture intuition and real consciousness evolution. Common Core: “It’s all about the process.” https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNB_1ML_MVE
Maybe we should start calling them Vogons, the bureaucrats in Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WNsu4PHD2B8
More Malthusians than technocrats.
Perhaps on account of current accusations by mutual consent of all of their alleged atrocities in Ukraine Russia should now revisit the Katyn massacre, blamed by mutual consent of all on the Soviet Army.
Russia by now have acquired enough scholarly research – for instance works of Elena Prudnikova amongst many others – to revisit it and present to the world the mechanism of how such historical forgeries are manufactured.
No better moment in time than now to revisit it and launch the truth.
FYI
“Have you seen this one?”
http://ww.w.jar2.com/Topics/Hitler.html
“Am not buying in any way shape or form that Adolf was a Rothschild but the photos may be of interest to those inclined to such things.”
https://southfront.org/sleeping-with-the-third-reich-americas-unspoken-alliance-with-nazi-germany-against-the-soviet-union/
Having some Slavic ancestors, having a Slavic language as my mother tongue, and having been forced to study Russian throughout my childhood, I can’t tell the difference between Russian and Ukrainian. The only difference between the two I can see – and this is my personal observation and I don’t want to sound crass – where I live (there are a fair number of both Russkies and Ukies) is that Russians are generally well educated, sophisticated, cultured, while Ukrainians are the opposite. There are some notable exceptions to this rule, but I have yet to see a Russian laborer digging a ditch, while a huge number of construction workers are Ukrainians. This is the most phantasmagorical war imaginable. Why the fuck are these peoples, which are essentially of the same ethnic makeup, fighting one another? It makes absolutely zero sense. It’s not a war, provided that there is anything going… Read more »
Re Gonzalo Lira (US/Chilean writer who lives in Kharkov with his Ukrainian wife and children), it’s not looking good. He was due to participate in a podcast discussion on George Galloway’s channel on 19 April but didn’t make an appearance or send his apologies. Allegedly, he hasn’t been seen by family or friends since 18 April but an acquaintance reported seeing him being detained by militia when he went out to get food provisions. Azov have since posted a cryptic ‘tweet’ mocking his disappearance with the overall implication that they know what has happened to him. Hasn’t been any social media update so far today.
Who the fuck would downvote this?
😏 I know Lira isn’t everyone’s cup of tea for various reasons but, whatever they think of him personally, no one of any decency should be indicating that they are happy for him to possibly have fallen into the hands of some of the worst extremists of their kind.
Maybe they think he has made up the story himself for his own propaganda purposes or for some narcissistic reasons – in that case it would have been useful for them to give me an idea why they think that. All I was doing was reporting the currently available information on his fate.
I have seen the Azov tweets and accompanying photos of them in ‘celebratory’ mode and they do convey an arrogant tone of “we know more than we’re letting on”.
Yes I have seen those too and they don’t look good. RT reporting on his disappearing this evening also which is another worrying step. Regardless of whether he’s ‘anyone’s cup of tea’ he is not a soldier and has not been involved in any fighting. He has been providing on the ground intel on what is happening at street level no different to what Lex Hathor did a few weeks back – exposing some of the bs narrative that passes for news. That of course makes him dangerous to the PTSB but in no way excuses them of their responsibilities. We have been sold a great lie of Ukrainian democracy and Vlad bad but the Zelensky regime killing ‘reporters / journalists’ is a huge dent to that lie. Sadly Gonzalo made have inadvertently played a role in exposing that lie – something we must hope and pray hasn’t happened. Anyone… Read more »
I am wide open to the possibility he has voluntarily disappeared himself or been reassigned, been kidnapped by Ukies or by Russians. All are possible.
First stop for me, look who’s making most capital out of it right now, and it’s not Ukraine. If they did take him it’s going to be a big own goal and great PR for the Russians. I personally favour the idea Gonzo is an operative who is either playing games or been assigned to create this psyop inside a psyop or just maybe been offed.
What troubles me most is how few people think enough outside the box to encompass such bare possibilities. They take everything on face value, assume zero deviousness or cynicism.
The two languages separated between 900 and 1100 years ago, almost as long as Polish and Russian have been separated. No one is claiming that Polish and Russian are the same. By ethnic makeup, do you mean genes? The populations of eastern Europe in general have lots of ancestries, quite mixed.
Well, the American and British English or the American and Continental French have been separated for quite while as well, yet I can’t quite see the two sides going to war.
By ethnic makeup I mean that they’re more or less indistinguishable.
Genetically they are indistinguishable, they’re both of very mixed ancestries, similar in that. And you don’t know that the US and Britain went to war twice? Really? Plus they’ve been separated for almost 250 years. American English and British English are far more similar than are Russian and Ukrainian, the latter even has alphabet characters which the former doesn’t have.
OK, I get it now! Having extra alphabet characters is a perfect reason to go to a fucking war!
Been looking around all day. The Saker have an article on this and there have been some videos on youtube. There was a linked message apparently from Vanessa Beeley referencing this but couldn’t make out what it was saying – Telegram I believe.
Must admit to echo Judy its not looking good. The Daily Beast did a hit piece on him and apparently contacted the Ukrainian govt to highlight his presence.
If anything has happened to him they have blood on their hands.
I was wondering for a while if Gonzalo was legit and then I concluded that he is. What can I say …
What made you think he was legit?
A video in which he describes his previous life, education, etc.
On the other hand, what I find very suspicious is that he rose from a guy who broadcasted a video from his hotel room to a pundit of sorts within a few weeks.
I can well see that he’s a plant.
🤣🤣🤣🤣 You guys are a hoot. Your shallow outrage can be triggered so predictably. You never have the fucking intelligence to question anything. You all get played so easily. It’s like herding sheep. No, geese. Sheep are too smart.
Have you given much thought to going to fuck yourself? Probably not, eh. You should.
People on these pages generally come here to discuss alternative views of the goings-on. Surely, none of us gets everything right all the time. The world is a mess, with so much misinformation floating around.
If you have something constructive to say, say it. If just you wanna be the asshole you are, get a Fuckbook account and there you can avail in flaunting the size of your micro-dick (meant figuratively in the sense of demeaning others to make your pitiful self appear bigger so as to mitigate your lack of self-confidence) with other motherfuckers of your kind.
Why.. are these peoples, which are essentially of the same ethnic makeup, fighting one another?
Why did the peoples of Yogoslavia start fighting one another? It meant and means success for the puppeteers and propagandists.
The ethnic groups in former Yugoslavia are very different from one another, much more so than Ukies and Russkies.
Apparently that filthy evil rag the Daily Beast egged on the Ukrainian government to go after him.
FYI
https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/u6vagz/i_took_this_screenshot_one_week_into_the_ukraine/
“same person?”
Most likely. Crisis actors everywhere. Energy and blood vampires everywhere! Sensationalism feeds the ghouls! Manufacturing these events is equal to the peasants preparing a meal in the kitchen.
Apart from the money, some of their motivation probably comes from the thought that their acting talents will be noticed by a scout from Hollywood, and they will get an Oscar one day…
It seems heartless to say so in the current context, but, honestly, bad acting – and mediocre acting too – are recognizable things.
After all, we have decades of superficial TV and movie experience behind us – real experience – of letting brain-dead scripts and barely trained actors assault our poor senses 24/7…
How could we not recognize them?
My assessment of humanity’s general intelligence is not sky high, but our manipulators, in their ignorant hubris, vastly underestimate it. Despite the frightful pressure to ‘fit in’ with our colleagues, friends and environment, many of us ‘know’… We just do.
Most of the “actors” in Iraq and Syria had no say in their roles – not even when they were killed for body parts.
In Syria and for covid, they got careless and reused the same children in roles supposedly in multiple countries.
Nice make up, However its amazing how the same people saying crisis actors couldn’t work out the same crisis actors during the fake moslem terrorist state sponsored era..
Indeed amazing, but perhaps people are learning…?
Since Iraq, I have notice staged scenes more and more.
The trick is to look at exactly how the other people in the picture are behaving, although of course the manipulators may realize that and not include any other people in their future photos…
Like Ashly’s murder.
Yes, same woman.
Don’t be silly, she was clearly injured twice because the Russians are ruthlessly targeting civilians! 😔
There are no ‘globalists’, in sense these people try to claim, there are only the arms of American empire creating American hegemony, working through viceroys and local agents, the quisling wealthy elites of every country they seek to loot.
So I would ask why are these freedom fighters & opposition speakers, laundering every news item through the prim of a ‘globalist international conspiracy’?
One result of this fantasy is to protect the real political actors who have power, are who are pulling the strings, people like Lindsey Gresham and the now gone ‘war hero’ John McCain. These psychopaths are protected by the illusion of a globalist conspiracy, which offers up no real targets for our anger, other than the powerless pantomime Nazis Klaus Schwab, an entertaining but totally worthless and powerless person.
Yes, there is indeed a globalist international conspiracy. This goes way, way back. i.e.: “We shall have world government, whether or not we like it. The question is only whether world government will be achieved by consent or by conquest.” Paul Warburg, the International Banker testifying to the US Senate Committee on Foreign Relations in 1950. “We are grateful to the Washington Post, the New York Times, Time magazine and other great publications whose directors have attended our meetings and respected the promises of discretion for almost forty years. It would have been impossible for us to develop our plan for the world if we had been subject to the bright lights of publicity during those years. But, the world is now more sophisticated and prepared to march towards a world-government. The supranational sovereignty of an intellectual elite and world bankers is surely preferable to the National auto determination practiced… Read more »
And when these globalists were traversing the globe did they travel on global passports or US passports?
Xi is a globalist. Putin is a globalist. Most of the oligarchs, intelligentsia, bureaucracy are globalists. They have multiple passports, or they travel in circles where passports are considered vulgar common things for the proles. Ffs wake up.
They usually fly in private planes and can probably ignore passport controls – which they probably own, along with their privatized airports. Or use diplomatic immunity, which also confers covid immunity. Its possible.
Their fantasy of a ‘one world guvmint’ (ie their guvmint) will furnish them with a magic passport opening all doors.
Agree. Did all those private planes stop flying at any time curing the peak covid scare? Do those people show passports anywhere? There are even special airports for them. What about “intelligence” operatives?
Various national passports British, American, Swiss. Undoubtedly their plan is no passport, just the one Digital I.D. covers passports, vaccine status, medical info, CBDC entitlement, criminal record, travel restrictions, political views etc. The Aristocracy will likely have a Digital I.D. that says “Blank Check”.
“The Aristocracy will likely have a Digital I.D. that says ‘Hail Satan’”.
There is no such thing as a ‘global passport’, that is my point, I have a few but I don’t control the world.
Lindsey Gresham? Sorry, you mean Lindsey Graham. And sorry again, but if you really think either Lindsey or John are the true rulers over this now global shit show, I have a bridge to sell you, cheap and only slightly damaged…. While it is comforting to think defeat of the US Empire would solve all of our problems, keep on reading at sites like this and others and get educated. It most certainly is a global operation, although the US may nominally lead it, the true rulers do not give one crap about nation states, at all. One World Government – why would you think that’s only a US proposition? Just because GHW Bush may have been the first to utter that out loud, does in no way mean he or any of the rest of the goons in Washington truly created that movement. As for Klaus, he may indeed… Read more »
The “both sides” argument here flies in the face of the historical realities. This is a false equivalence. To say that the “fog is dense on this one” is not the case. But let’s say it is- how do you clear that fog? Historical analysis, looking at patterns, looking at who is involved, looking for motives and asking who benefits. Once that is done here it is not so difficult to clear the fog and understand what is happening and why it is happening. The “Bucha incident” was staged and not very well. This came at a time during peace talks and effectively shut down those negotiations- that is not by accident. An analysis of the chronology of Bucha (let alone a forensic analysis which, curiously, is being blocked by The West) illustrates that the narrative coming from the US/NATO propagandists is patently absurd. Put simply it was a poorly done… Read more »
+ 1 000 000
Agreed whole heartedly, but why the runaway inflation?
+1
probably in preparation for European Suicide v3.0
you know very well who prepared the previous versions and who is behind the update
To those excellent points I would add, for the new World Government (Western Bankster owned Oligarchy), the two thorns in their side for total World hegemony are Russia & China. China is too powerful, too isolated politically & socially, and too economically important to attack directly, the West would probably lose. So the weak link is Russia whose government & industry are already highly infiltrated by Western Bankster toadies (including their Central Bank – part of a Yeltsin giveaway). I suspect Putin was suckered into invading Ukraine by the myriad of Bankster minions in the Russian government, who told him it would be a two day event. The plan is to subjugate Russia, bring it into the “International Rules Based World Order” kicking & screaming. Then China will be isolated, lacking energy & other resources, it will then be an easy target to conquer.
Putin is a puppet these days shot up with steroids to keep him moving, Xi is a dumb greedy gangster run by the big money players who let him think he’s in charge been plans on the back burner to heart attack him out the picture for last five years but none of his replacements are dumb and greedy enough to fit they were gonna kill Putin in 2014 but Peskov and Medvedev started peeing their pants so they just broke his health slow. Dugin is a coke head in case anyone is wondering. Saw his case file one time – fucking hell nearly threw up
If you want a preview of the “multipolar world” we are heading toward just read 1984, or better still take a trip to Shanghai.
Globalism is intended to be multipolar. There will be Oceania, Eurasia and Eastasia. All ruled by the unelected head of the WHO, the World Bank and the IMF.
The wars will be forever wars somewhere far away, justifying perpetual shortages, and they will be replete with even more fakery than we see now.
I’d be fascinated to know how you think that is going to be better
Why/how would a multi polar world be different for the average person? It certainly wasn’t the case in the 20th century.
I think most people would cede that Russia has a far superior case for their military actions than the US has had for any of its wars – you could argue that Ukraine actually declared war by shelling the Donbass.
That being said the enemy your enemy isn’t necessarily your friend. Rooting for Putin is like rooting for George W Bush. We know that the Russian people are treated with the same contempt by their government that western people are. I’m skeptical that a Ukraine back in Russias orbit will be any more free than it has been. As usual it’s the people who get crushed to death between superpowers.
They control both sides you cretinous clown, actually they control nearly everyone and never just play one con, always at least two, often three or four, so cretinous blowhard clowns like you get to pick which set of fucking horseshit to believe and feel real clever if you don’t pick the obvious one. You are so far from getting the real game it’s funny, I could tell you but I’m too drunk and don’t wanna get killed and your lil brain wouldn’t believe it and would just shut down and call me a shill, which I am
You are the cretin here, and your comments should have been moderated.
Negative zillion by the way just to fuck that stupid ass plus a million guy right off, I mean what is he, six?
Excellent post, minus the last paragraph. The nascent New World Order will make the American hegemony look like the proverbial “Sunday school picnic.” As Leonard Cohen put it, “you won’t like what comes after America.”
+1
well said. + 100
James Corbett messing up again.
Tens of hours of material from the last two years, and not one minute dedicated to the legitimacy of virology as a science; the foundation for the entire ordeal. Instead we get a series of #solutionswatch, one more cringe-worthy than the other.
Russia has asked for an investigation into Bucha ( more than once ).
This speaks volumes IMHO.
Sure, because Bucha was Ukraine’s fakery.
The place was probably chosen for its name “Bucha” sounding in English like”butcher’.
I can’t watch The Last American Vagabond; all he does is show Ukraine war videos.
Well, in my book, the “New Normal” just isn’t going to happen. And my book is a real book. But the main point of the article – that none of us knows what is really happening in Ukraine – is very important and very true. As is often said about liars, they have to have astonishingly good memories in order to appear credible in the longer term, and of course many of them do not have such good memories. I could imagine that all kinds of mistakes are being constantly made by the current manipulators of our public consciousness. For example, staging dead bodies and setting them up for photo-shoots. Given that everybody has a smart phone these days, there must be countless opportunities for people to record the manipulators in the act. After that, all that is required is to tell the truth – where this happened (country, district,… Read more »
While I agree that Mr Corbett is most likely not a gatekeeper, I can’t help thinking he is – ironically – naive. Spoken words and images he takes down without a fight; written words, not so much.
Apparently he’s never met a document he doesn’t like, no matter how dicey it may seem. If one of the bad guys commits something to paper, it becomes almost a gospel.
The most obvious – egregious? – example of this was a New York State Health Directive which ordered hospitals to release COVID patients to Care Homes. The form and style were picture perfect; but just imagine how easily something like that could be faked – especially since these particular kinds of documents are not signed by anyone.
There should have been a disclaimer that while the document appeared authentic, there was the possibility of its being a fake.
I agree with your stance of being very cautious under all circumstances.
The fog is thick…
Many people seem to suffer tremendously because they ignore their instinct and are trying to analyse and understand everything when they have little to no evidence to work withm and a lot of lies to see through.
southfront.org has some footage of at least one of the “bodies” getting up after the camera passed.
.. a zombie rose from the dead!
(how close is Bucha to Chernobyl?)
An excellent forum to listen to (2hrs)
https://thealtworld.com/alastair_crooke/the-war-in-ukraine-and-the-collapsing-world-order
All the above topics & more are discussed.
It mostly reaffirms what most of us here know, and the topics are diverse.
Bucha is efficiently deconstructed by Scott Ritter & the other forum members.
An interesting observation by Alastair Crooke:
European populations are increasingly becoming nationalised, which will lead to some governments toppling, which in turn will lead to an opening up (or is that a crumbling) of “the narrative”.
If you think one side is faking war horrors, why not both?
this is why
and
I don’t understand. You think only Nazis fake stuff? 🤷♀️
Russian FSB and military intel run SF through ‘patriot’ ring, ultimately answer to MI6 who have been prepping them and other Russian outfits since Trump election – boy this is fun
So, does Xi answer to Mi6 ? Chinese military intelligence included im ‘Bild.’ ? Of financial markets. Strange that nobody seems to wish to discuss the landing of Chinese Air Defense Missile systems, amongst other weaponry, (electronic most likely) in Serbia, a week or so after Vucic was re-elected, the same day as Viktor Orban… did M.i.6 instruct the Chinese to Build back beta.’ Serbian markets for military hardware & Astro-Euro-Turf-Warfare on The Balkan Again (t.b.a.) ? After all, Serbian Territory is well behind/inside NATO’s Black Sea Frontline! And, not a peeps from Stoltenberg nor M.i.6 (GuardianReps.) Cards on table, my ‘patriot’ friend, are you suggesting that Sovereign civil War is harmonised within all major military intelligence, including Mossad ? With M.i.6 orchestration and computer systems superior to Chinese? I think not. Riddle me Shanghai in this scenario. Aye lad, fun indeed after WTC7… playing Rothschild’s schemes. Walls come tumbling,… Read more »
Dr. Pippa Malmgren: Another fat pig attempting to engorge the audience (and herself) on her own bullshit. Take a long look at the enraptured audience. Civilian populations will continue to suck the corporate tit until there are no other alternatives…
Your economic systems are corrupted by “credentialled” slobs like Ms Malmgren. Like others of her ilk, a starvation diet would do her a lot of good…
You have to consider the location of this event: Dubai. Many Arab men in the audience, men who enjoy the sight of blonde Western women displaying their legs. Hubba Hubba!
Remove her false eyelashes, thick make-up, uncurl her bleached hair and take off the high heels. This would present a very different image of a so-called ‘elite’. But she could probably get a good job as a crisis actor. Seems they’re needing them in Ukraine right now.
I’d just stuff a helium tube up her ass and use her as a reconnaissance blimp…
Imagining the voice chords, prior to . . . Any Global receptors.
And bag pipes . . . For full chorus, of such revelation.
THE big bang ? On Porn Hub … A1+ Marketing Exercise.
https://www.reddit.com/r/AHomeForPlagueRats/comments/u6uv4y/ukrainian_kids_say_the_darndest_things/
Long overdue to get rid of the Nazi Assassin Terrorist Outfit (NATO) the Cocaine Importers of America (CIA) and all the other criminal anti-democratic agencies of oppression, terror and exploitation as well. Time to end the War Racket(s). To Hell with War! To Hell with Corporate Fascism!”
“In the CORPORATE FASCIST ZONE crime pays.”
Aid is just bb stuff gets siphoned through different charities, I just love how you guys don’t wonder why we let you see the stuff you see, you have the acumen and curiosity of hogs
If you have telegraph, you can listen to first hand accounts from people on the ground who have been suffering under the yoke of the Ukrainian Nazis !
Telegram: Contact @UkraineHumanRightsAbuses – t.me
With respect this is simply more anecdote at this stage
Well, if the witnesses to the atrocities being carried out by the Ukrainian Nazis, including the 14,000 men women and children killed by their artillery + infantry attacks over the last 8 years in the Donbas, as mere “ anecdote “ .
At what stage will you accept that atrocities are being carried out by the Ukrainian Nazis against civilians including using them as human shields which has been documented first hand by Patrick Lancaster and other independent journalists in Mariupol.
You and I have zero idea whether ANY of what you have heard is true. Maybe it is completely true or maybe it’s a pack of lies, or maybe something in between. Your investment is what propaganda asks of you. Stay calm and reserve judgment until your indignation can be shown to have a solid and worthy cause.
Speak for yourself, I know perfectly well what is going on there. This war started eight years ago. Kyiv invaded Donbass. If you need information, I can provide you with hours of documentaries and thousands of words from articles that have been published since 2014.
A billion documents all strung together with a million documentaries cannot make something to have happened unless it actually did.
Ask what you want and I’ll tell you if it happened and I’ll prove it to you later. Or close this page because there is nothing to talk about because 99% of the topics discussed here have not been an eyewitness.
I view this website as opinion – op ed – oriented rather than hard core “news.” I’m more interested in a studied presentation of what a certain event might mean if it actually happened versus what it might mean if it was merely faked than I am in whether lots of data accompanies the opinion.
I appreciate those who take the time to think something through and say what they consider important about it. That helps reduce the dependency on images and communiques that could easily be faked.
If a picture is worth a thousand words, a thinking mind is worth a thousand pictures.
Above you have an example where the facts provided by Brianborou are downplayed / ridiculed by the administrator of this site. What is she doing this for?
Your emotional investment is not a measure of truth. There is a blizzard of propaganda on both sides involving alleged eyewitness testimony. Do you believe all of it? I am guessing the answer is ‘no’. I am guessing any ‘eye witnesses’ who talk about “Russian atrocities” are dismissed by you as propaganda. And you might well be right to do so. But only prejudice makes you unable to see the same applies to the stories from the ‘side’ you choose to support. We know the story began in 2014. We have published a great deal about it. We at that time were clear about the facts, which were far less ambiguous. This is not 2014 or a re-run of 2014. This is the New Normal and a strange new war that coincidentally is advancing the same agenda started by the covid hoax. We therefore advise caution in jumping to conclusions… Read more »
https://off-guardian.org/2022/04/19/watch-world-govt-summit-bucha-massacre/#comment-500451
It’s a question of what this discussion is about.
Brianborou’s facts are not downplayed or ridiculed.
After all, facts are facts.
But the discussion is about verifying facts in a war situation, and that has always been very difficult – even back in the days when journalists were journalists…
If you have been interested in something for decades, you have no problems with verifying what is happening. If your family is affected, and this is my case, the more you know what’s going on. If you live 100 km from Lviv, you know more than if you live in Japan or London.
+10
> You and I have zero idea whether ANY of what you have heard is true.
Further, you and I have zero idea whether the Great Reset story is anything more than wishful thinking from Mr Schwab.
IMO we are at a point in history of accelerated change due to the technological/digital revolution – with a little “r” however because it represents the next environment within which the same system of Capital flowing attempts to reproduce itself – and Schwab is merely reporting this reality at the moment of the sharpest contrast, in every aspect, with the past few years, and of course he and his ilk, technicians and empiricists at the pay of global Capital, were hired for the task of channeling and shaping that impersonal movement to best suit the needs of Capital and, once configured, marketing it to the four corners of the world. The fantastic, unprecedented, absurd if not tragic violence of the State in almost all countries to get the populations injected is very difficult to explain however, unless we assume that it is a prerequisite to the pan digitalisation project, and… Read more »
Agenda 2030 is not just Schwab’s wishful thinking. Fast tracking digital currency isn’t just Schwab’s wishful thinking. Revised global pandemic legislation isn’t just Schwab’s wishful thinking. The GR is happening all around us right now. Unlike what may be happening in Ukraine the evidence for it is clear.
Lets look at what has happened prior to the Russian Military intervention in the ukraine. In 2014 in Odessa between 50-120 people, including women and a child, were murdered by Ukrainian right sector Nazis whilst taking part in a peaceful demonstration. Next came The ” Anti -Terrorist Operation ” which from the start came down to war crimes because of the killing of civilians mainly by heavy weapons fire on residential areas after the initial phase of war. Torture executions and mass graves have been reported and are well documented. So if past behaviour is an indication of present behaviour by the Ukrainian Right sector in the Donbas and for that matter throughout Ukraine, I would submit that many of the reports of the atrocities against the civilians committed by them has validity and indeed is credible. Here is report in detail explaining what has happened previously. I hope you… Read more »
We have been covering Ukraine and the ATO since 2015, but thanks
Then I suggest you look more closely at the documented murders, torture and terror that has been inflicted on the people of the Donbas since 2014- 2022 which just to repeat past behaviour is good indication of present behaviour!
Assuming the future is automatically a replay of the past is a tad simplistic. So much is different. Most obviously Ukraine were aggressors in 2014. Now Russia has invaded for ‘reasons’ that seem flimsy and like an excuse.
It’s not hard to believe the reasons are concocted because the war had to happen to keep the Great Reset going when it started to flounder. Great distraction from the truckers (where did they go?), vax injuries, resistance marches. Good for Putin domestically. Good for the globalists to distract from the fact all global leaders turned out to be in cahoots. A war certainly lets people forget that
I agree that in general we all need to remain objective and cautious about uncritically taking sides. But when I see dozens and dozens of testimonies of civilians from different locations, given to different international reporters, all speaking extremely convincingly with one voice, I am not ashamed to say that I am past the point of not taking sides. This single Twitter thread archives 19+ video testimonies from witnesses in and around Mariupol, and I have many more to hand. I personally am not of a mind to continue to sit on the fence simply because I personally cannot offer up proof that these people are not misguided, or brainwashed, or speaking with a gun pointing at their heads, or simply crisis actors told what to say. I shall leave others to make up their own minds, even if they want to continue to deny that Ukrainian/Azov atrocities are a… Read more »
How many alleged witnesses to Russian atrocities are there? If there were 19 would you feel forced to believe them?
19 is actually not that many, given the population of Donbas. But even if there were 1900, without massive independent confirmatory evidence what do we have?
Do you recall how many crying nurses/suffering ‘covid’ patients you saw in 2020? Lies can happen even on a huge scale
It’s 19 testimonies included in one single Twitter thread – I have dozens more, with more being broadcast every day, and there is the hours of on the ground coverage by Patrick Lancaster in which he regularly walks the streets and talks to local residents on spec. Believing testimonies also depends on the context in which they are given and the credibility of the individuals. I haven’t seen 19 testimonies from civilians reporting Russian atrocities so that’s something of a hypothetical question. Maybe I would believe them, maybe I wouldn’t. I certainly can’t say.
I agree that “independent confirmatory evidence” is desirable and should be essential. The problem is to guarantee that it is what it claims to be. We have already seen how that worked when the OPCW reported on events in Douma. So much these days is shrouded in deception and corruption at all levels, it is difficult to see or read anything and be able to believe it to be indisputably true.
This news report purports to interview locals from Bucha (pronounced “butcher” ). They talk about alleged Russian atrocities.
Don’t get me wrong, I don’t believe it. I think it’s horseshit. But I don’t believe the other side either. Point is, there they are, found in three mins on Youtube. There are probably loads of others. What’s the reason for choosing to believe one side and not the other? I say better to believe none. For all we know the same film units are producing all of it anyhow.
Another – two more ‘witnesses’ of ‘Russian atrocities’, we get weeping too. Is this less believable than the stuff you shared? I don’t think so.
https://www.euronews.com/2022/04/04/ukraine-war-locals-in-bucha-accuse-departing-russians-of-atrocities
Russia hardware sucks apart from anti-radar but they don’t cross the border so much
What is your point?
+ 14 000
in memory of those murdered at the behest of the Anglo-Zionists
Children of Donbass / Дети Донбасса
https://odysee.com/@canal666disorder:d/children-of-donbass:2
Numbers BINGO!!! CAN’T MAKE UP NUMBERS, I bet you counted all of em individually 🤣
You should replace the George with looney. It is nearer the mark !
Propaganda is propaganda.
As the article says, both sides are compelled by war to indulge in it. The only alternative would be to hand the war over to an impartial judge from Mars and let him declare the truth – and that isn’t going to happen.
The WW2 documentaries frequently shown on BBC many decades ago stated as fact all kinds of statistics and anecdotes which have subsequently been shown to be false or biased.
Nobody in 1945 believed that Winston Churchill was capable of an immoral or hypocritical act.
Now we know different.
Much as we would like the truth to speak for itself, it would appear that it cannot.
According to what you write, we cannot talk about any war because “all this is propaganda”, that is NATO and the USA, were ok in Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria or Ukraine and even in Vietnam. And what’s wrong with just Iraqi, Afghan, Libyan, Syrian, Russian and Vietnamese propaganda. Fuck your head.
No. All I am recommending is a little normal patience in the face of the likelihood that most of what we are seeing on TV news is almost impossible for the public to verify. The same might have been true of WW2, except that a clear line had been drawn which Hitler crossed in 1939, and the Anglo-American ‘authorities’ in those days had not yet acquired a reputation for routine lying. Bloodthirsty ruthlessness, yes, but not outright lying. I am not saying they didn’t lie, just that they had not yet acquired a reputation for doing so routinely. The history of Ukraine is much more complex, most non-Ukrainians don’t know anything about it, and Lying is now the language spoken by all politicians. A crucial concern here is that propaganda is now so ‘sophisticated’ (or perhaps it’s just the fact that we have been deadened by TV advertising to the… Read more »
I don’t have a TV. I know the topic and I know what I’m talking about. I know the history. My grandfather and the uncle were murdered by the Bandera followers in 1946.I know perfectly well who his followers today are.
+1000
You know, you are starting to sound every bit as hyperbolic as those who are just sure this is all Russia and especially Putin’s fault. Careful now, before you resort to waiving around that Ukraine flag and labeling anyone who points out just what has been going on in Ukraine for the last 8 years as a Putin apologist… Or a conspiracy theorist…. Or anti- vax…. Bringing up relatives who have died in war to show that you are truly in the know of all that is going on is an old tactic used by those who wish to shut down discussion and analysis with a blatantly emotional appeal. As someone who frequents this site, I’m sure you’ve seen that type of thing in real life and had it used on you when you attempt to discuss reality, it isn’t pretty no matter who is doing it. That said, I’m… Read more »
42 defenseless people murdered on one day just for being Poles and this is their mass grave, so a bit of respect, fascist bastard
http://www.twojebieszczady.net/upa/baligrod300.jpg
Ah yes, so now I’m a fascist bastard? Good job, what an intelligent snappy retort!
my grandfather’s grave is a retort
” Propaganda is Propaganda”. Hmm, the bombed out centre of many Midland cities was very real to the people suffering the bombs as was the mass graves for the dead.
The ruins of Berlin, Warsaw, Hamburg, Hiroshima were very real to those living there at the time as it was to the tens of millions of Soviet people who died.
To the survivors of the Vernichtungslager in the 3rd Reich this was no roll out of propaganda just as the grieving relatives of all those killed in the Donbass between 2014 and 2022.
The dead can not speak but the survivors bear witness for them. .
When I say, “propaganda is propaganda”, I am simply referring to the well-known fact that “truth is the first casualty of war”. I don’t know how old you are, but WW2 happened just before I was born. My parents were well-informed people and I learned from them all about the Midlands and a lot more which they experienced during that time. My mother was a nurse in London during the war, and my father fought against Rommel’s forces in Africa. Of course I do not dispute what actually happened, but this discussion isn’t about what happened. It’s about what is verifiable. You are just repeating the 1945 BBC story – a historic narrative which we have all memorized, and of which you have no reason to assume I am ignorant, along with all the suffering which the war entailed. But as I said, that’s not what is under discussion here.… Read more »
I have witnessed a War first hand so I am very well of the consequences of war. Ie witnessing people being shot, bombs exploding and the aftermath for the survivors as well as the relatives.
“ This discussion is about what is verifiable “ Really, there many many many verified cases of murder, mayhem and torture by the Ukrainian right Nazi battalions during the 8 year long civil war which I have been following.
“ You are just repeating the 1945 BBC
Hmm, let’s see did the Nazis bomb the industrial cities in the Midlands, did they destroy Warsaw, did they destroy many cities in the former USSR and did tens of millions of their people die in that war. In many homes of Russian people I visited whilst I lived there were pictures of relatives who had perished in the war. Moreover, whilst I lived in Germany I would listen to people who had lived through the bombing of Berlin, the battle of Berlin and those that fought against the Russians. There was no mention of a BBC narrative from these people. “ This is about what to believe from the mainstream media and what not to believe. “ I suggest you look at the source I provided and the link I suggested since none of them are from the MSM. Oh, I had my eyes open long long ago when… Read more »
If , as some suggest, this is a fake or semi-fake war, the evidence will come out over time. Fake wars have the same problem as fake pandemics – a paucity of real dead. Time will make things clearer. Why do we need to leap to conclusions?
From past experience, I’d say the evidence will come out over the next 75 years…
I’m not holding my breath.
This is a well documented study relating to the verifiable murders committed by the Ukrainian right sector Nazis in the Donbas during the 8 year long civil war.
Nothing fake, semi- fake about the appalling atrocities committed by the Ukrainian Nazis who by the way have a long history of committing murder ie the Babi Yar massacre of Jews by not only the Germans but also Ukrainian Nazis many of whom were aided and abetted under operation Paper Clip to flee to the US, Canada and the U.K. who I personally met. Not pleasant people to say the least.
To reiterate past behaviour is good indicator of present behaviour. Therefore, I suggest you look at their past behaviour in the link below!
https://www.crisisgroup.org/content/conflict-ukraines-donbas-visual-explainer
🤣🤣🤣🤣 wow numbers no one can make up numbers must be true
🙊🙈🙉💡🍞 The Odessa massacre was the killing of between 50 and 120 people by fire, gun-shots and beatings in the afternoon and evening of 2 May 2014. Those who died were overwhelmingly people (including women, at least one child and the unborn child of a heavily pregnant woman strangled inside the building with electric flex) who had not taken part in any demonstration that day other than peacefully occupying three large tents in an encampment outside the Odessa Trade Union House throughout the preceding month. They fled and were herded into the Trade Union Building to escape a large angry mob of alleged football supporters who had earlier been attacked and goaded by a police-organised, briefed and tightly co-ordinated group of armed, red arm-banded men wearing St George insignia and chanting anti-Kiev junta slogans – in other words posing as pro-Russians intending to deliberately inflame a very large group of… Read more »
I don’t think anyone is disputing the Odessa Massacre happened. I think the point is that was eight years ago and pre-“New Normal”. Things can change and the lockstep displayed by Russia, China, and the West implies that things have changed drastically.
So, please don’t repeat post any more links and factual descriptions of Odessa. It’s understood. But we are trying to focus on 2022.
https://wikispooks.com/wiki/Document:Bloodbath_in_Odessa_guided_by_interim_rulers_of_Ukraine
Interesting report I must read.
Isn’t the Crisis Group funded by Soros?
And keep up the good work,George.
Is this the one where Corbett refers to ‘rupees for rubles’? Anyway, with India not onboard with energy sanctions, guess what?…
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/4/12/us-monitoring-rise-in-human-rights-abuses-in-india-blinken
The list of the compliant with human rights’ abuses the US is not monitoring is too long to recount.