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DISCUSS: Julian Assange to be Extradited?

A British magistrate’s court has approved Julian Assange’s extradition order, meaning the Australian journalist may soon be sent to the United States to face up to 175 years in prison for “revealing state secrets” and “computer hacking”.

Assange’s legal team will doubtless appeal the ruling, probably fruitlessly, but it’s part of the process.

The decision now moves on to the UK’s Home Secretary Priti Patel, to either approve or deny the order. One would assume she would pass it over and ship Assange stateside without much delay, but you never know.

Interestingly, there are a few signs of anti-extradition opinion among mainstream politicians…

It may be that in the final analysis, the establishment sees more to be gained in handing the “left” a win and pretending to some national independence. If that’s the case, the order might be denied. It’s unlikely, but possible.

We are aware that many of our readers, and some in the independent media, do not trust Wikileaks or the Assange story in general. We get emails and comments about that whenever Assange is in the news, but whatever your opinion and whatever the truth of the matter, the official narrative we’re being sold should be cause for concern for anyone who cares about human rights.

Consider just what is being slowly normalised by the UK government’s treatment of Assange:

  1. Silencing of publishers and journalists by the state.
  2. Criminalising the exposure of government wrong-doing.
  3. Indefinite detention without charge or trial.
  4. Court proceedings hearings via video-link only.

Whether or not you like or trust WikiLeaks and Assange is almost immaterial – the story we’re being told is just plain wrong, and in protesting this treatment we hope to protect not just Assange, but any one of us who may one day find themselves in the crosshairs of the state.

But what do you think?

 

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NixonScraypes
NixonScraypes
Apr 23, 2022 10:12 PM

Extradite him – we intradite a few million third worlders for cheap labour in return. It’s a good deal, we don’t want to rock the boat. (irony alert)

Gerry
Gerry
Apr 23, 2022 1:27 AM

Wikileaks and Assange are a psyop. He is not “heldup”. Come one people, this is controlled oppostion just like BLM, Antifa etc… Assange is working for intelligence. Here is a snippet from Global Research’s Michel Chossudovsky from his article “Who is Behind Wikileaks?” Who is Behind Wikileaks? – Global ResearchGlobal Research – Centre for Research on Globalization

“While the project and its editor Julian Assange reveal a commitment and concern for truth in media, the recent Wikileaks releases of embassy cables have been carefully “redacted” by the mainstream media in liaison with the US government. (See Interview with David E. Sanger, Fresh Air, PBS, December 8, 2010)

This collaboration between Wikileaks and selected mainstream media is not fortuitous; it was part of an agreement between several major US and European newspapers and Wikileaks’ editor Julian Assange.

The important question is who controls and oversees the selection, distribution and editing of released documents to the broader public?

What US foreign policy objectives are being served through this redacting process?
Is Wikileaks part of an awakening of public opinion, of a battle against the lies and fabrications which appear daily in the print media and on network TV?

If so, how can this battle against media disinformation be waged with the participation and collaboration of the corporate architects of media disinformation.

Julian Assange has enlisted the architects of media disinformation to fight media disinformation: An incongruous and self-defeating procedure.

America’s corporate media and more specifically the New York Times are an integral part of the economic establishment, with links to Wall Street, the Washington think tanks, the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR).

Moreover, the US corporate media has developed a longstanding relationship to the US intelligence apparatus, going back to “Operation Mocking Bird”, an initiative of the CIA’s Office of Special Projects (OSP), established in the early 1950s.

Even before the Wikileaks project got off the ground, the mainstream media was implicated. A role was defined and agreed upon for the corporate media not only in the release, but also in the selection and editing of the leaks. In a bitter irony, the “professional media” to use Julian Assange’s words in an interview with The Economist, have been partners in the Wikileaks project from the outset.

Moreover, key journalists with links to the US foreign policy-national security intelligence establishment have worked closely with Wikileaks, in the distribution and dissemination of the leaked documents.”

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Apr 23, 2022 2:36 PM
Reply to  Gerry

I do not believe Julian is working for intelligence. I believe that Wikileaks has been massively infiltrated and he is suffering poor judgement or simply the influence of infiltrators. It’s not as if he’s a straight-talking, simple honest truth-seeker but he is not an agent and has been encircled … by even his wife by the look of things. Sara Gonzalez changed her name to Stella Moris with one r? Why would that be? Why would she change her name to Stella Moris, one letter different from Stella Maris, which has occult associations with the Sirens, those who lured sailors to their deaths.

Is she like the German spy in the film, Allies (based on real life), played by Marion Cotillard, who ends up marrying a US officer, played by Brad Pitt, and having a child with him. Is this what’s happened? Allies is not the only example, Helen Steel, of McLibel fame fell in love with a police infiltrator and it’s not an uncommon phenomenon.

A book has been written about five women to suffer this kind of infiltration, Deep Deception: The story of the spycop networkhttps://www.amazon.com.au/Deep-Deception-network-uncovered-shocking/dp/1529108314

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Apr 23, 2022 3:04 PM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

I am surrounded by spies – Placebo

John Ervin
John Ervin
Apr 24, 2022 3:15 AM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

Petra, Assange has a long track record of working for Intel, as do so many of his fellow travellers. i mean, he may have other things in his file that recommend him, but not unspookery.

Besides, he has a long association with Pirate Bay defendant and far right figure, Carl Lundström, Swedish fascist. And others of that stripe.

This link gives a bit on that:

https://thehackernews.com/2011/11/wikileaks-founder-julian-assange-hires.html

I just don’t see how Assange comes out clean of Intel, and a lot else.

Emory at spitfirelist.com has been rather closely tracking him for many years and I have heard him call Assange a “Nazi” on the air. As he has called Lundström, with much supportive evidence.

Just quoting!

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Apr 24, 2022 4:26 AM
Reply to  John Ervin

John, the main reason I don’t believe Julian is working for intelligence is that he really looks like he’s been locked up and is suffering ill health which isn’t to say that he hasn’t been let out on occasion and I have no idea how he had the two children he was supposed to have had and so on but he definitely looks as if he’s suffering serious ill health from being locked up … you only need to look at Chelsea’s shining face for comparison. She’s out being feted in glamour photoshoots in MSM, he’s not. Why is that?

Secondly you need to take into consideration that people will try to make him look like he works for intelligence, the controlled opposition will try to make him look bad. He has been duped and has probably been misled into doing things that he wouldn’t otherwise do, not realising their significance.

I met a guy a couple of days ago who was telling me he went to the same school as Morris Iemma, a former premier of my state, NSW. He said he was a really nice guy but not so bright and the reason he got Premier was due to the fact that there was no dirt on him
unlike every other politician. He told me that the notoriously corrupt politician, Eddie Obeid, ensured he managed to get something on all the other Labor politicians so he invited Morris and his family to have free stays in his house in the Snowy Mountains. Morris would have thought nothing of it I’m sure but I do remember that being reported in the media as some kind of corruption thing.

Julian is not lilywhite that is for absolute sure and Andrew O’Hagan’s piece on him in the London Review of Books is unflattering to say the least but that doesn’t make him an agent and even if he may have done some kind of work for intelligence I believe that Wikileaks was set up by him genuinely but was quickly infiltrated.

I believe that Julian’s main problem is hubris which prevents him from seeing how people supposedly trying to help him are actually working against him.

Sam - Admin2
Admin
Sam - Admin2
Apr 24, 2022 9:02 AM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

If they can fill the twin towers with dust, using Occam’s razor, why can’t they stick some sickly-looking makeup on a man and occasionally smuggle him into an embassy? A2

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Apr 24, 2022 12:35 PM
Reply to  Sam - Admin2

Sam, I shall be editing my dust page to ensure it speaks of dust in the buildings purely as a theory. Dust stored in the buildings is definitely in the realm of theory and I made a grave error to speak of it as fact. The amount of dust covering Ground Zero is rather remarkable though because I don’t think demolitions usually involve so much dust. Actually, I might delete the page altogether because whether dust was stored in the buildings or not is not really significant is it and I ask you to never refer to my claims about dust again.

They fake things all the time it’s true but they almost always let you know when they’re faking it and I see no signs with Julian’s appearance. The reason that I can state with certainty that Chelsea is an agent and that the film Collateral Murder is faked is that they have made these facts extremely obvious.

fatalist
fatalist
Apr 24, 2022 12:52 PM
Reply to  Sam - Admin2

Absolutely my opinion too.

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Apr 25, 2022 2:41 AM
Reply to  fatalist

But “could be” faked is not a strong argument and certainly not part of Occam’s Razor without a golden nugget or a number of pieces of evidence that line up to favour Julian being an agent.

All I see is evidence supporting that he has been duped. Perhaps he did some work for intel and then when he went rogue with Wikileaks they thought, “OK, mate, we’ll get you.” They really do seem to have it in for him. I don’t know.

When he speaks of Collateral Murder he certainly seems genuinely shocked by it – “could be” acted, yes, I know but as I say ad nauseam, they always give us the clues and not only with their events but also their agents.

Come on. Look at what’s happened with Chelsea in comparison. There is none.

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Apr 24, 2022 10:40 PM
Reply to  Sam - Admin2

Actually, as soon as you start saying “could be” you’re going against Occam’s Razor except where the item concerned is related to a golden nugget. Recently I’ve been arguing with people about the cause of wtc-7’s collapse and they’ve been going nuts about the lack of sounds of explosions. There are in fact very low sounds of explosions however we don’t really need to concern ourselves with the sounds of explosions because the visual evidence alone tells us clearly that it’s controlled demolition so unless the issue with sounds of explosion was essential to the argument we don’t need to concern ourselves with them. Perhaps the sounds were recorded at very low volume, perhaps they used thermite and as has been claimed by some, thermite produces very low sounds. We don’t know but we can see that there can be some way to explain the very minimal sound of explosions while the visual evidence is overwhelming.

In the case of Julian he looks very sick and we see no signs of fakery therefore if we apply Occam’s Razor we say he really is sick otherwise we have to assume that his illness is feigned. Using Occam’s Razor we would wonder why they make Chelsea’s being an agent so obvious with the nonsensical story of her downloading and smuggling out of documents, the feting of her by the mainstream media etc and not do the same for Julian.

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Apr 25, 2022 5:53 AM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

On further reflection, I favour the recorded-at-low-volume/plus-omitted-from-audio explosions theory for the reasons of minimal sounds of explosions in the audios of WTC-7’s collapse over low-noise-thermite massively now that I’ve looked at thermite in action. It seems to produce loads of light and molten steel and while we’ve been told about the molten steel that seems to clearly be propaganda. And where’s the light? Where’s the light produced by thermite? Additionally, there is simply no other example of building demolition we can find on the internet using thermite which makes you wonder why this is the case.

Light and molten steel produced by thermite
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rdCsbZf1_Ng

Molten steel propaganda
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=txk6tCZ1p6s

In answer to the question on Quora, Buildings: How could thermite be used in the demolition of a multi-story structure?
https://www.quora.com/Buildings-How-could-thermite-be-used-in-the-demolition-of-a-multi-story-structure

“Thermite destroys by causing intense heat as it burns, setting fire to and/or melting whatever it is in contact with.

Because of this, it is really only useful for destroying things when you can place the thermite on top of something. Burning through something from the side would involve somehow keeping the thermite in place while it burned, which is very hard because whatever you are using to hold it in place will be subject to the same heat as the thing you are trying to destroy!

It would be impractical, because of this and other reasons.”

And it’s very easy to see why they’ve pushed thermite, no? Fragmenting the argument is one of their favourite forms of propaganda to weaken the opposition. While there are all the various theories out there: Directed Energy Weapons, nuclear, thermite, nanothermite, conventional so much the better.

Sophie - Admin1
Admin
Sophie - Admin1
Apr 26, 2022 12:26 AM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

Now you’re just trolling.

1. How do you propose any light produced by nanothermite in the elevator shafts and internal structures would have been visible on the outside?

2. There are literally dozens of eyewitness accounts of molten steel at ground zero. How does that lame video debunk that?

3. Quora? Why not just cite Popular Mechanics? Someone needs to explain to those bozos the difference between thermite and nanothermite, which is marketed as an explosive. (This info has been available for fifteen years, how did you possibly manage to ‘research’ 9/11 for this long and not come across it?)

4. So, if literally all the proposed theories for how the towers came down are just put out there to delude people less clever than you, what DID bring them down, in your opinion? Or do you think they’re still there?

PS – there actually is hard evidence for nanothermite being used, unlike all the other things you name.

PPS – you think demolitions don’t ‘usually’ produce that much dust? How many 500,000 ton buildings have you seen brought down? How much dust would 450,000 cubic meters of pulverized concrete be expected to produce in your view?

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Apr 26, 2022 5:29 AM

To answer your question about the video. Unfortunately, I didn’t keep track of the source of the image from that video that was put forward as showing molten steel. As we can see in the video it’s just workers using searchlights. The image appears in the first frame of the video but it doesn’t have a source, however, I know I’ve seen that image in a context claiming it shows molten metal.

However, in this video where responders speak of molten metal like lava they also speak of “channel rails”. Here is a link to some channel rails. I can’t figure out exactly what they are even from the link but I somehow feel they wouldn’t have been a feature in the rubble … but, of course, I could be wrong. Any ideas?
https://www.lowellmfg.com/product/ss30-channel-rails/

Actually, just watching the video I link to re channel rails I see the twin towers “peeling” down. I rarely look at them and mostly focus on WTC-7 because it’s the most perfect implosion but it looks as if rather than cutting supports at reasonable intervals and letting gravity do more work as is done in some high rise demolitions the supports look as if they’re cut at very short intervals and thus a “banana peel” effect is created which I’ve seen their collapses referred to as – what is cutting the supports though who knows but I really don’t think it matters.

My main aim is not to determine what exactly brought the buildings down – CD is more than sufficient. My main aim is to expose how they use propaganda to make us believe all different things as a means to undermine and weaken the opposition.

Sophie - Admin1
Admin
Sophie - Admin1
Apr 26, 2022 8:14 AM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

My main aim is to expose how they use propaganda to make us believe all different things as a means to undermine and weaken the opposition.

Well you are indeed doing an excellent job at that. 👍

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Apr 26, 2022 12:17 PM

I only judge by source when I have no other option to evaluate and I think it’s a good principle.
 
Quora is as good as YouTube is as good as a medical journal is as good as OffGuardian is as good as any other source where it says things that make sense.
 
We know absolute rubbish is published in reputable medical journals and in mainstream and alternative media. I puzzle over why you express disdain at any particular source. Can you explain to me what sources you believe are more trustworthy than Quora and why? I’ve found a few wonderful explanations on Quora I must say. Lots of rubbish published there too but that’s everywhere no? Even where the editors of journals might be completely genuine they’re always vulnerable to controlled opposition, no?
 
My apologies, Sophie. I should have made it clear that I think it most likely that conventional explosives brought the buildings down (C-4 being one of them maybe?). Visually, I see nothing special in the demolitions that suggests other than conventional. Yes we see some molten metal dripping from a corner of one of the towers but that could be staged.
 
I put no store whatsoever in “dozens of eyewitness accounts” saying molten metal. As you know, I think the evidence shows that 9/11 was a massive exercise so all these “eyewitnesses” could simply be scripted to say they saw whatever.
 
While prominent 9/11 truthers (who aren’t controlled opposition agents) believe that journalists on the day such as those I quote below, were candidly alluding to controlled demolition I think they were scripted. They couldn’t be scripted to allude to fire could they? because all the truthers know that fire didn’t bring those buildings down and so if the journalists had alluded to fire that would raise suspicions in the truthers that the journalists were “in on it” and scripted … so seemingly counterintuitively but not when you understand that power works in opposite ways from what we might expect … they scripted them to allude to controlled demolition. Clever, eh? They put the truthers off the scent that the journalists were in fact in on the big exercise (although maybe all this was scripted pre-9/11 and broadcast on the day – who knows? although if pre-recorded they would obviously become aware of the situation).
 
As I repeat, ad nauseam, they must control the narrative – on both sides. They’re not going to risk having journalists candidly alluding to controlled demolition, no I really don’t think so, they have to script them. If you watch the video, Free Fallin’ (what a magnificent production and we have to wonder who the musicians were and who produced this?) you’ll see the quotes below. I’m curious to know your opinion. Do you think scripted or no? If no why? The scripting of allusions to controlled demolition also fulfils their “revelation of the method” obligations too assuming that really is a phenomenon.
 
The hard evidence is always our first point of call and I simply see nothing in the collapses themselves other than the small amount of molten metal dripping from a corner of a twin tower to say that the collapses weren’t done using conventional means. I mean, why not? If all they want to do is prevent the clear giveaway sounds of loud explosions all they had to do was record them at low volume and no doubt simply omit some. I don’t know.
 
I simply don’t see why demolitions would produce so much dust because they’re done by cutting supports, not blowing up vast amounts of material within structures. I don’t think we see much dust around WTC-7 and while much shorter it had a much bigger footprint than either of the twin towers. What looks like dust in controlled demolitions is really pyroclastic clouds created by the explosives dust and that’s what we see massive amounts of in WTC-7’s collapse.
 
Perhaps when you refer to the evidence for nanothermite you’re referring to things I think may well have been staged: the dripping corner, the fused metal, etc. What do you think is the evidence for nanothermite?
 
Ultimately, I absolutely do not want to argue over what brought the buildings down. That’s what the controlled opposition want us doing, isn’t it? Controlled demolition is 100% certain and we’re both agreed on that. Happy to leave it at that.
 
Journalists alluding to controlled demolition in the magnificent 4-minute Free Fallin’ – scripted or no?
https://youtu.be/Vgx8Uwo-Vxc
 
Vince DeMentri, WCBS reporter
“It was almost as if it were a planned implosion. It just pancaked.”
Note his smile as he says the word “pancaked”.
 
Al Jones, 1010 WINS reporter
“And I turned in time to see what looked like a skyscraper implosion. It looked like it had been done by a demolition crew, the whole thing just collapsing down on itself.”
 
Dan Rather, CBS News Anchor
“Amazing, incredible, pick your word. For the third time today, it’s reminiscent of those pictures we’ve all seen too much on television before, where a building was deliberately destroyed by well-placed dynamite to knock it down.”
 
Brian Williams and David Restuccio
Exchange between Brian Williams, MSNBC News Anchor and David Restuccio, FDNY EMS Lieutenant:
 
“Can you confirm it was No 7 that just went in?” [“Went in” is a term used in controlled demolition that comes from the fact that the buildings fall in on themselves.]
 
“Yes, sir.”
 
“And you guys knew this was comin’ all day.”
 
“We had heard reports that the building was unstable and that eventually it would either come down on its own or it would be taken down.”

John Ervin.
John Ervin.
Apr 24, 2022 4:58 AM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

I had always known “Stella Maris” as one of the throng of names for Mary of Nazareth, an historical figure of some renown. We have several schools or Catholic churches in Southern California, my beat from L. A. to San Diego. There is one in San Pedro and I believe another in San Diego, not surprising for an area so imbued in maritime associations. I already knew that it was Latin for “Star of the Sea” but didn’t know about this til just a moment ago, so grateful for that:

“‘The title “Stella Maris” first arose back in the 5th Century when St. Jerome translated Mary’s Hebrew name Miryam, which means “drop of the sea” to the Latin “Stilla Maris”. Mary later went from a “drop in the ocean” to the “star of the sea” when “Stilla Maris” became “Stella Maris”.Sep 27, 2021′”

She is also the only female mentioned in the Qu’ran, talk about (putative) misogyny! And figures there over 30 times, such as the notable “Ibn Maryam, Ibn Allah” (“Son of Mary, Son of God”).

I didn’t know about occult implications, but such a Star wouldn’t surprise me, since it also refers to Polaris, a central creature in sailor’s fortunes.

Which leaves the similarity between Stella Moris and “Star of the Sea”.

Guess you’d have to dig deeper, or ask the woman, to find connections, but who knows? Yet it is a little interesting, given her high public profile, as you would guess she knows how scrutinized they are, it’s a rather provocative choice as a name change.

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Apr 25, 2022 4:57 AM
Reply to  John Ervin.

Stella Maris certainly has a lot of connections, doesn’t it, John?

What prompted my inquiry about it was a friend pointing out the one letter difference upon which I internet-searched “stella maris occult” and found a page on its occult meaning which contained a link to La Sirène which is where the “luring of sailors” comes from.
https://occult-world.com/stella-maris/
https://occult-world.com/sirene-la/

paul
paul
Apr 23, 2022 10:16 PM
Reply to  Gerry

It is interesting he’s never published any single thing even remotely critical of Israel.

TDj
TDj
Apr 22, 2022 11:45 AM

‘Tis Good Friday on the Balkan.

Within such states of rising awareness, float one thought:
What if Julian Assange were the Author of * The Bitcoin Whitepaper * ?
Then ask yourself, what would you do in his shoes, other than invent an Alias ?
And extreme secrecy. . . Around Satoshi Nakamoto !

Legal N.B. Even if Assange is not Satoshi Nakamoto,
He should declare himself to be Satoshi Nakamoto, Because Win-Win, see?
Some-body will react. Nothing left to lose. Grabbing Maximum Martyrdom, highlighting?
OMG.Jesus… Julian Satoshi Assange Nakamoto raising Stars in the East ? Surely not?
From the depths of Public Crucifixion , hailed a hero of Blockchain Designs ?
An introvert’s nightmare …? Better than Belmarsh.Bastard.British.Buggery.
Happy Orthodox Easter
To one and all,
Greetings. 😀
TDj

New Name
New Name
Apr 22, 2022 4:22 AM

Ramola D

An alternative journalist named Ramola D has been dumped in a psychiatrist ward, based on a neighbour’s complaint.

New Name
New Name
Apr 22, 2022 4:18 AM

Extradition

Why is this such a big deal ? All it means is a transfer of this guy from the mother country to it’s closest ally. He could get to participate in more Simpson’s episodes. It would be a welcome change for someone allegedly cooped up in an embassy for years.

brian niel
brian niel
Apr 21, 2022 9:54 PM

Julian Assange will not be extradited..
JULIAN ASSANGE will be extradited.
Problem is Julian Assange doesnt know the trick. So he pays the penalty & takes the fall.
His useless lawyers could have him released if only they knew the truth.

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Apr 21, 2022 11:56 PM
Reply to  brian niel

Some of his defence at least show signs of being controlled opposition which of course is only to be expected.

One secret he can’t be accused of leaking is the alleged shooting of Iraqi civilians by US soldiers in Apache helicopters because the film Collateral Murder is obviously faked and was used to infiltrate Wikileaks by agent, Chelsea Manning. Why all those supporting Julian refuse to pick up on this glaring piece of evidence that should surely help him I do not know.

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Apr 22, 2022 2:36 AM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

This analysis reveals:

— the evidence of fakery of the film including clear indication of stitching together of audio snippets and a highly anomalous appearance of 13 callsigns considering the two Apache crews didn’t even have contact – also highly anomalously – with Ethan McCord’s ground crew

— the evidence that Chelsea Manning is an infiltrator (feted by the mainstream media, topnotch transition job while allegedly in prison for treason)

— anomalies in Ethan McCord’s testimony

— anomalies in Adrian Lamo’s Wikipedia bio

— anomalies in reporting of the Crazy Horse Apache crews activities outside their alleged participation in the shooting shown in Collateral Murder
https://occamsrazorterrorevents.weebly.com/wikileaks-controlled-opposition.html

This is a blog post written by someone who believes the film is authentic simply I’d say because the idea that it isn’t has not occurred to him and seems too counterintuitive, however, he points out numerous anomalies in the narrative.
https://5thstate.wordpress.com/2010/04/

I simply do not understand people’s capacity to maintain their belief against massive amounts of clear evidence … but they do … and that’s what our rulers rely on very, very heavily. Once people believe something it’s very difficult to shake that belief. If you wish to be an effective analyst of the powers that rules us you need an agile mind – they’ve always got yet another trick up their sleeves.

“A truth’s initial commotion is directly proportional to how deeply the lie was believed. It wasn’t the world being round that agitated people, but that the world wasn’t flat.

When a well-packaged web of lies has been sold gradually to the masses over generations, the truth will seem utterly preposterous and its speaker a raving lunatic.

​The ideal tyranny is that which is ignorantly self-administered by its victims. The most perfect slaves are, therefore, those which blissfully and unawaredly enslave themselves.”

Dresden James

OffG published an article by prize-winning finance investigative journalist, Judy Komisar, showing very suspicious links in Julian’s legal counsel.
https://off-guardian.org/2019/11/08/assange-lawyers-links-to-us-govt-bill-browder-raises-questions

When I started to analyse Collateral Murder I approached “Veterans for Peace” organisations to confirm my suspicions of fakery and messaged Vince Emanuele, a US alleged Veteran for Peace, I’d seen speak in Marrickville, Sydney, and whom I’d listened to hanging on his every word. His response raised my suspicions that he wasn’t genuine so I looked at the talk I’d seen him give which had been posted on YouTube and saw all the signs of an agent glaring out at me – was utterly clueless about any of this stuff when I saw him back in 2013. My analysis here. You simply cannot get away from these people.
https://occamsrazorterrorevents.weebly.com/vince-emanuele-veteran-for-peace.html

If you don’t get “controlled opposition” and you’re trying to fight against the powers that rule us you have no chance. Controlled opposition rules the world.

Howard
Howard
Apr 22, 2022 4:47 PM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

What would be the purpose of faking the Collateral Murder video? Certainly not to enrage the docile American public. Nor even to later reveal the fakery to discredit anyone.

I love a good mystery. But at some point it has to make sense. And this makes none, from any angle.

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Apr 22, 2022 11:56 PM
Reply to  Howard

I don’t see a mystery Howard and I provide the reason for the faking of Collateral Murder in my comment: to infiltrate Wikileaks.

I have to say though I find it interesting the way so many people reject a claim on the basis that there’s no obvious motive. My first question is always what’s the evidence not what’s the motive because I have to allow I may not know the motive but the evidence will still show the claim to be true regardless.

From my analysis:
To accept that an artefact such as Collateral Murder, a video showing US soldiers firing on unarmed Iraqi civilians, might be a fakery used to infiltrate Wikileaks it is helpful to consider the following:

We can anticipate with certainty that infiltration will be attempted so what better way to establish credibility for a would-be infiltrator than to present such a document, a serious indictment of the US military?

While Collateral Murder may look pretty bad what really goes down could be even worse so this kind of artefact can stand in the place of and distract from what might really be happening. Compared to what really happens, Collateral Murder, may, in fact, be a Hollywood, sanitised, controlled simulation of what really goes down and that if we saw what really went down we wouldn’t necessarily simply be politely discussing it online. Moreover, the presentation of the alleged violence is not especially graphic. We have always heard of things happening in war far outside the Rules of Engagement so it’s certainly not unlikely.

While the film may make the US military look bad, we shouldn’t assume that while we might, the power elite concern themselves too much about “looking bad”. Power is much more interested in maintaining power than in looking good and sometimes “looking bad” works very well for power and is not regarded as any great sacrifice. We also need to realise that only a certain percentage of the population will think it makes them look bad. Many don’t pay the slightest attention and even some of those who do will think that what allegedly occurred is not particularly bad and does not break the Rules of Engagement.

We must always keep in mind that the power elite can do pretty much anything they like without fear of reprisals and that they always like to be in control of the information – that’s very, very important to them – whether it’s the actual truth or, generally, a faked-up example of a phenomenon that is, indeed, real – they want to control it. … And they enjoy a chortle. Can you imagine the chortling at all us bleeding-heart liberals going nuts and the right-wingers arguing that the soldiers are not breaking the rules of engagement? The good old ancient divide-and-conquer trick doing its duty. As Antony Sutton says, “First we have to dump the trap of right and left, this is a Hegelian trap to divide and control. The battle is not between right and left; it is between us and them.” Please, we are not simply buttons to be pushed.

There is really no good reason to think that such an artefact as Collateral Murder would not be used to infiltrate a group such as Wikileaks. None at all. Lots of outrage is expressed with no repercussions suffered by anyone in the US military or government. Life goes on as before and infiltration of an important organisation is achieved, infiltration which can work both to obtain information and mislead and misdirect the organisation and those who acquaint themselves with information it publishes.

fatalist
fatalist
Apr 23, 2022 12:20 AM
Reply to  Howard

The purpose of the video was to establish Wikileaks’ credibility as a fake opposition. This allowed it to publish CIA material against regimes the CIA wanted to bring down as part of the Arab Spring.

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Apr 23, 2022 1:57 PM
Reply to  fatalist

Yes, but they didn’t start Wikileaks, it was started genuinely … they were waiting in the wings for any such organisation to emerge – they probably anticipated it – and leapt in to infiltrate it.

John Ervin.
John Ervin.
Apr 25, 2022 6:15 PM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

Or, as another plausible (“enough”) alternate view, it was “their” creation from the start!

That has been almost SOP at CIA for decades. And ever more so, really.

It all stems, conceptually, from James Angleton’s (CIA chief of counterintelligence for 25 years or so until 1975, more or less) much buried adage: “We want our adversaries to find themselves in a wilderness of mirrors.”

By “adversaries” I’m pretty sure he meant anyone and everyone who doesn’t submit entirely to “them”. To the Iron Heel of Oligarchy.

An ever-broadening category?

I do know that agents all the way up don’t like anyone referencing or using the phrase about mirrors, since it is intimately bound to their long-range plans of internet technocracy and such.

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Apr 26, 2022 12:32 AM
Reply to  John Ervin.

What a fabulous quote and it’s so obviously been followed. How come I’ve never seen it before? All I ever see is the alleged quote from Lenin, “In order to defeat the opposition we must lead it ourselves.” Aren’t they so good at propagandizing? Make out it’s the opposition who indulge in controlled opposition activities when they’re the main proponents of it.

“We want our adversaries to find themselves in a wilderness of mirrors.”
James Angleton

I’m well aware that many opposition organisations are their creations from the start, including the Lawyers Committee for 9/11 Inquiry and the Corona Investigative Committee but presumably genuine organisations would also be infiltrated even if perhaps they’re infiltrated as they’re forming so to say whether they’re their own creation or not is a moot point – there is a difference though between setting up from the absolute start as an opposition organisation from one where agents swarm in to infiltrate genuine people.

But John the other thing they do is give us the clues and that applies to their agents as well. They drown us in clues with regard to Chelsea but we don’t see them with Julian and where it’s been said that he’s an agent couldn’t that be controlled opposition trying to make out he’s something he’s not? I simply don’t see the evidence for it and certainly with Collateral Murder he seemed very taken in by it. I think it’s very clear that he has been targeted.

fatalist
fatalist
Apr 23, 2022 12:27 AM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

Excellent analysis. I read this kind of material years ago. The fake video, the Manning and Lamo anomalies It’s clear controlled opposition.

Published in the Guardian and NYT ! That’s the biggest red flag.

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Apr 23, 2022 2:00 PM
Reply to  fatalist

Too true. If they’re publishing stuff against themselves in the MSM – yep – big red flag.

wardropper
wardropper
Apr 23, 2022 3:25 AM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

“I simply do not understand people’s capacity to maintain their belief against massive amounts of clear evidence”

Well surely we’ve had enough decades to get used to people doing just that.

However, “massive amounts of clear evidence” are not what I see in front of me.
Most of what we get to hear about influential organizations comes through the media which we are constantly criticizing for being utterly corrupt.
Which means that most of what we see on TV – and on even a lot of the ‘alternative’ media may, or may not, be true.
That’s the only honest conclusion one can generally come to.

I sometimes think our best bet is simply to build our own narrative – but of course a better one than the narrative the ‘authorities’ are constantly shoving down our throats.
I can live with my own narrative, because I know I am not trying to shove it down anybody’s throat. It just makes sense, and everybody is welcome to share it if they want.
The ‘official’ narrative, on the other hand, is currently spread by coercion, which immediately makes it highly suspect in my book.
Bit by bit, the pieces fall into place, and the narrative I’ve built gradually makes more and more sense – finishing up with a world where it is actually possible to live, work and be useful. Where the narrative and the truth coincide.
When that is no longer the case, then I reckon it will be time to leave.

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Apr 23, 2022 1:54 PM
Reply to  wardropper

Wardropper, my breadth of knowledge and understanding of the world is very limited, however, beyond realising that numerous events are wildly different from how they are reported there are two things I’ve learnt that I’ve embraced massively to my bosom and I’m not sure why others don’t even when they’re familiar with the two phenomena:

–1– Underneath the propaganda they tell us the truth – In psyops, they always give us the clues, they always undermine their already-low-on-credibility narrative with gratuitous anomalies that cannot fail to let you know they’re lying to you.

Thus, the evidence for Chelsea being an agent and the Collateral Murder being faked is massively laid before us. The only way you cannot see it – when it’s pointed out at least – is to wilfully ignore it. Yes, the media lie to us all the time but the way of lying in psyops has a very distinctive flavour … that lets you know.

–2– They control the opposition narrative (or try to) as much as they control the mainstream narrative – There is massive controlled opposition out there undermining the genuine opposition in various ways. Agents will really talk the talk and they can often say loads of truth … but one way or another they will obstruct and mislead to weaken the opposition.

brian niel
brian niel
Apr 22, 2022 11:11 AM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

No you dont get the point. Only a Corporation can be charged, a man or woman need never go to court as the charge is always with our corporate id. In Julians case its THE UNITED STATES OF AMAERICA V JULIAN ASSANGE. Only if accepts his name in that format does he have to go through the legal process.
There is no justice only legal trickery.

Viridis
Viridis
Apr 23, 2022 7:05 PM
Reply to  brian niel

That freeman on the land nonsense will not help anyone, just as the courts did jack shit to stop the covid coup despite many lawsuits.

The ones with the guns make the laws and they can break them anytime they want. If you’re a problem to them, they will do their best to get you, legally or para-legally, like they did with Assange and many less known (and more serious) threats before him .

rechenmacher
rechenmacher
Apr 22, 2022 12:50 PM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

Re Chelsea: The idea that a very young i.e. low ranking GI should be able to download and copy reams of military data and walk away with it baffled me from the start. As the story developped I’d expected the whole reporting line up to senior command level would be axed (including figures from military intelligence, but that wouldn’t have become public).But apparently no. Later the photo of the wired man under a hood became World Press Photo. Would the Pentagon not have suppressed it?
I liked the move to swap Bradley for Chelsea, though. The guy who dunnit doesn’t even exist any more. It is so brazen, so in-your-face.

TDj
TDj
Apr 22, 2022 1:53 PM
Reply to  rechenmacher

Surely, HRC adored Manning’s chosen name…
And Obama laughed: Probably privately, still.

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Apr 22, 2022 3:43 PM
Reply to  rechenmacher

I hadn’t thought about the failure of those in the reporting line. Yeah credibility a little low … they don’t pull any punches on the nonsensifying of the downloading:

“On January 5, 2010, Manning downloaded the 400,000 documents that became known as the Iraq War logs.[105] On January 8, she downloaded 91,000 documents from the Afghanistan database, known later as part of the Afghan War logs. She saved the material on CD-RW and smuggled it through security by labeling the CD-RW media “Lady Gaga” and storing it in a Gaga CD case. She was lipsyncing to Lady Gaga music, to make it appear that she was using the classified computer’s CD player to listen to music.[106] She then copied it onto her personal computer.[107] The next day, she wrote a message in a readme.txt file, which she told the court was initially intended for The Washington Post.[108]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chelsea_Manning

Wired man under a hood? I don’t remember that. What was that?

When you say “swap” do you mean you think Bradley and Chelsea aren’t the same person or simply that now Chelsea’s transgendered there’s simply no Bradley Manning any more? I have to say I think they’re the same person.

Clive Williams
Clive Williams
Apr 21, 2022 6:04 PM

Thanks for the article but for me it’s simple. This person is Australian so it’s between that country and the United States convienately staged in an international City. London.
Personally don’t believe it has anything to do on universal human rights.

Side issue ID posed imagery of the person tweeting is a typical example of longstanding ID Card permitable. Why the picture? I don’t care what the person looks like, he obviously does,

Johnnycomelately
Johnnycomelately
Apr 21, 2022 5:51 PM

Come next few years this could be anyone of us.

McMurhpy
McMurhpy
Apr 22, 2022 10:09 AM

The dictatorship is already in place and it can happen to any of us today.

John Ervin.
John Ervin.
Apr 25, 2022 6:25 PM
Reply to  McMurhpy

Has been, in principle, or “legally”, since the Patriot Act – 20 some years ago. At least USA, Inc., LLC.

Antonym
Antonym
Apr 21, 2022 3:40 PM

Would be good to have a Chinese ‘vault 7 like’ leak one day, just for public balance.

We already know how bad living in Shanghai today is, but still there will be some additional 1984 tools invented by CCP bots.

Or maybe better not, as the Five Eyes will copy them instantly…..

Paul Vonharnish
Paul Vonharnish
Apr 21, 2022 3:24 PM

The crux of the situation: “Indefinite detention without charge or trial.” Exactly. And who is the State? When “states” have to secret away their counterfeit and corrupt operations, the civil public has already lost. All your “leaders” are assholes. Figure it out.

Lost in a dark wood
Lost in a dark wood
Apr 21, 2022 1:58 PM

Some backstory.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Seth_Rich
The murder of Seth Rich occurred on Sunday, July 10, 2016, at 4:20 a.m. in the Bloomingdale neighborhood of Washington, D.C.[2] Rich died about an hour and a half after being shot twice in the back. He was murdered by unknown perpetrators for unknown reasons, but police suspected he had been the victim of an attempted robbery.[1][3]

The 27-year-old Rich was an employee of the Democratic National Committee (DNC), and his murder spawned several right-wing conspiracy theories,[1][4] including the false claim, contradicted by the law enforcement branches that investigated the murder, that Rich had been involved with the leaked DNC emails in 2016.[5][6] It was also contradicted by the July 2018 indictment of 12 Russian military intelligence agents for hacking the e-mail accounts and networks of Democratic Party officials[7] and by the U.S. intelligence community’s conclusion the leaked DNC emails were part of Russian interference in the 2016 United States elections.[5][6][8] Fact-checking websites like PolitiFact,[6][9] Snopes,[10] and FactCheck.org stated that the theories were false and unfounded.[5] The New York Times, the Los Angeles Times and The Washington Post wrote that the promotion of these conspiracy theories was an example of fake news.

On August 9, 2016, WikiLeaks announced a $20,000 reward for information about Rich’s murder leading to a conviction, which was subsequently increased to $125,000.[61][62][63][64] Rich’s family said they were unable to verify this reward offer.[61] WikiLeaks stated that this offer should not be taken as implying Rich had been involved in leaking information to it.[32]

Julian Assange on Seth Rich
Aug 9, 2016
Nieuwsuur
Julian Assange seems to suggest on Dutch television program Nieuwsuur that Seth Rich was the source for the Wikileaks-exposed DNC emails and was murdered.

Antonym
Antonym
Apr 21, 2022 3:32 PM

IF Seth Rich was killed for leaking to Assange, than who found out about this?
Who ordered this kill; HRC, some DNCer or some in the FBI, the CIA, ….?
Probably the same answer for both questions.

Julian Assange stayed vague on Seth’s leak because he didn’t want to scare off future leakers.

Clive Williams
Clive Williams
Apr 22, 2022 1:48 AM

Typical Dickhead TV interrogator. In this case an a Dutch SS Dickhead TV cronie.

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Apr 22, 2022 3:49 PM

I believe that Seth Rich was a Republican plant and his alleged murder was a psyop. Check out his grieving parents – the weirdest family tableau you’ll ever see. What a great coup for the Republicans. Pretend to kill him and make it look like the Dems did it and the Dems could do absolutely nothing about it cos no one calls out anyone else’s psyops. But then maybe they’re all in it together somehow. Who the hell knows?

Lost in a dark wood
Lost in a dark wood
Apr 22, 2022 4:16 PM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

I’ve not bothered looking into it, but I’m aware of some of the theories and the “murder” seems highly suspect. And it’s also why I don’t believe anything about JA.

https://stateofthenation2012.com/?p=75906
The ‘Murder’ of Seth Rich: Everything we thought we knew is wrong!
June 21, 2017

Researcher
Researcher
Apr 22, 2022 10:22 PM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

They are all in it together. Red and blue work together against the public. That’s how the psychopaths stay in power, by always using controlled opposition and always colluding against the public.

Rich was never shot and never died. It was publicity stunt to boost the enmity against Hillary, and at the same time, legitimize the intentional “leak” of Democratic emails given to Wikileaks by the NSA-FBI-State Dept.

Which is WHY there’s never anything particularly incriminating in any of the alleged leaks.

All we ever see is unconvincing FBI psyop “investigations“ that go nowhere. This applies to both Republicans and Democrats in perpetrating the divide and conquer scam narratives.

Russiagate was another manufactured psyop perpetrated by the Trump camp, Democrats and Republicans in collusion with the Russians and MI6. The target of these psyops is always the voters.

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Apr 24, 2022 5:23 AM
Reply to  Researcher

Nice to see we agree on something, Researcher.

Whaddya reckon?

Reckon the Lawyers’ Committee for 9/11 Inquiry will go anywhere. Betcha any amount it won’t … cos it ain’t got nowhere to go.

Researcher
Researcher
Apr 24, 2022 10:05 AM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

No. The “committees“ are all controlled opposition. And the lawyers, judges and courts are all under the umbrella of the Masonic, banking-merchant-military cartel that controls the world.

Check out this video on the Seth Rich hoax, and his lsrael-Intel-military background. There’s also pictures of him alive, (after his alleged murder) with bleached hair at an anti-Sharia march, giving the 666 hand sign.

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Apr 25, 2022 8:27 AM
Reply to  Researcher

Thanks, Researcher. Love it! Actually, I’m pretty sure I watched it a few years ago but forgot all about it. I’ll add it to my webpage.

John Ervin.
John Ervin.
Apr 23, 2022 9:48 AM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

The Reeps are full of “identity” trix in recent years, pulling a sort of “ideological” Chelsea Manning gender bender, with their civil liberties allegiances, or if that metaphor is way too mixed, just substitute the concept: “switcheroo”.

They pretend, practically en masse, that they stand for the things, when at all feasible, that civil libertarians have stood for, as a tradition, but those kinds of traditions have never been their strong suit.

Curious. But all expedited I guess by an internet of smoke and mirrors. A lot of disingenuous styling has become their lot. And a lot.

Not the same thing as a staunch conviction, though. (The BLM Floyd protests in Spring 2020, all well-heeled white people in some parts of town here, were a glaring example! Hard to keep a straight face for very long, in our day and age!)

fatalist
fatalist
Apr 23, 2022 12:40 AM

Thanks for that.

It’s clear that Assange is claiming Rich gave the material to Wikileaks and implying he was murdered by dark forces. I agree with that but suspect it was Wikileaks who contacted the dark forces.

There has been a very powerful drive to blame the Russians for the leaks and later even to claim they put Trump in power. Clinton’s campaign was very strongly anti Russia. It seemed to me driving that message home was as important as winning the election.

Now we have a proxy war with Russia.

.

Mike Ellwood (Oxon UK)
Mike Ellwood (Oxon UK)
Apr 21, 2022 12:58 PM

David Davis: I don’t like his “whatever you may think of..” line. Hardly a full-throated cry for freedom, although to his credit, Davis has taken a libertarian line on quite a few issues. “Libertarian” is a dirty word among the Lazy-minded Left, although it absolutely shouldn’t be.

As many on Twitter have pointed out, the US government has been quick to condemn Putin’s alleged war-crimes, while threatening to lock up (and throw away the key) a journalist for exposing their war-crimes.

George Mc
George Mc
Apr 21, 2022 1:59 PM

“Libertarian” is a dirty word among the Lazy-minded Left, although it absolutely shouldn’t be.

That’s what caused my initial split with Philip Roddis of Steel City Scribblings i.e. he referred to those suspicious of covid as “libertarians”. This is presumably based on the idea that these covid sceptics are putting liberty before safety – a notion that only carries if the deadliness of covid is presupposed – which is the very thing the sceptics are sceptical about.

But that was a steep learning curve for me when I became aware of the underhanded methods used to shore up covid.

Antonym
Antonym
Apr 21, 2022 10:14 AM

Any harm on purely political prisoner Julian Assange is on the five aye aye Sirs.
He exposed their laundry and dirty it was, specially for their own citizens. Shoot messenger Assange: more surely they are shooting themselves in the feet.

So eager to compete with the CCP on a vise like grip on their own fellow people, not wise.

martin
martin
Apr 21, 2022 9:13 AM

It comes over as poor acting, I think these people all look the same because it is unschooled, just what ordinary people think emotions should look like. People actually hide their emotions.

I guess she could be faking an emotional response to help JA. But it seems to me she would not do that if she was real.

Just my gut feel but that is worth something.

Researcher
Researcher
Apr 21, 2022 6:03 PM
Reply to  martin

I agree. Bad acting. Another NSA-MI6 managed asset, perpetuating the good guy Russia/bad guy USA narrative.

Mr Y
Mr Y
Apr 21, 2022 8:02 AM

Does it matter what a few offG readers think?

Sophie - Admin1
Admin
Sophie - Admin1
Apr 21, 2022 8:21 AM
Reply to  Mr Y

Judging by the amount of shills and agenda-managers we get commenting here, the answer is apparently “YES”.

NickM
NickM
Apr 21, 2022 8:56 AM
Reply to  Mr Y

It matters to their chances in the afterllife. We shall each one be judged at the End of Days.

“Cast your Karma on the waters, and it shall come back to you after many days” — New Testament

Victor G.
Victor G.
Apr 21, 2022 1:14 PM
Reply to  NickM

Karma? New Testament???

NickM
NickM
Apr 23, 2022 5:26 AM
Reply to  Victor G.

I apologise for that convoluted attempt at a Joycean transcendental portmanteau pun over the alleged insignificance of OffG’s little community of Truthers. The word Karma arose when I quoted “Cast your bread” to a friend during a discussion about not being ashamed of your good action even if you think it will probably be useless. My friend, who was a good man but not a Christian (one of those whom Dante described in Limbo as a “Hindu living on the banks of the Ganges who lives a virtuous life but will never get to Heaven, God alone knows why”) replied:

“You mean like Karma?”
“But isn’t Karma a bitch? You mean the road to Hell is paved with good intentions?”
“There is good Karma as well as bad Karma”.
“I didn’t know that”.

George Mc
George Mc
Apr 21, 2022 2:01 PM
Reply to  Mr Y

It clearly matters enough for you to make that snarky comment!

NickM
NickM
Apr 22, 2022 2:22 PM
Reply to  George Mc

Mr Yseguy is clearly snarked by the success of OffG in attracting Truth Lovers. However, he can take consolation that Kit, Catte and Sam have not yet received the ultimate badge of honour for their “insignificance”. As has now happened to Pepe Escobar:

“I lasted only seven months on Twitter. Contacts in California had told me I was on their radar because the account grew too fast, and had enormous reach, especially after the start of Operation Z.

I celebrated the cancellation in front of the Aegean Sea, at the home of Herodotus, the Father of History. Additionally, it was heart-warming to be recognized by the great George Galloway in his moving tribute to these targets of the new McCarthyism.

Cancel culture is inbuilt in the modern techno-version of feudalism: conform to the authorised story, or be cancelled.”

Sunface Jack
Sunface Jack
Apr 21, 2022 7:56 AM

It is very concerning that this is happening to Assange. Why don’t the courts rather protect him from the abuse of power by this magistrate who appears to be captured by the Anglo-American establishment? He had the guts to expose the war crimes of the USA.

Orthus
Orthus
Apr 21, 2022 7:16 AM

Since I saw the interview as a result of a posting on this site, I post a link to the panic reaction of TPTB.

Who is Graham Phillips, the YouTuber accused of ‘war crimes’?

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/apr/20/who-is-graham-phillips-the-youtuber-accused-of-war-crimes

It is quite obvious that the war criminal being interviewed was a mercenary who had previously fought in Syria alongside the other “Ukrainian patriot”.

He has breached UK law, will he be prosecuted, despite his support from the Tory Party, and in particular Bob Jen Rik. an admitted globalist?

Sunface Jack
Sunface Jack
Apr 21, 2022 8:00 AM
Reply to  Orthus

Don’t you think that anyone that has a free choice to ply his trade should be free to do so?. Even if you don’t agree with his choice. Mercenaries also fight for money, it is a career with high risks. Politicians do the same for money, but with no risk?
Note that the law can be very one sided, look at the Assange issue. He exposed the American war crimes, and the same “Justice” Law system want to extradite him for bravery and send him into the arms of the very criminals who exposed.

Orthus
Orthus
Apr 21, 2022 8:37 AM
Reply to  Sunface Jack

Right ho! Can you not read? This man is being promoted as a saintly figure, fighting for the Nazis for the sake of all that is decent and his Ukrainian wife and imaginary family. The establishment, the Guardian and the BBC, are denying that he is a mercenary. Their narrative is that he settled in Ukraine for love and is defending his adoptive homeland for the sake of that love. The story has been exposed for what it is and now they come for the exposer.

Pass the sick bag Alice.

MLS
MLS
Apr 21, 2022 9:38 AM
Reply to  Orthus

What if the purpose of the propaganda is not to convince you but simply create a polarised response of acceptance or rejection.

What if the crassness is intentional. Maybe they know it will convince the stupid but alienate the more discerning. And maybe both responses are desired.

Researcher
Researcher
Apr 21, 2022 5:58 PM
Reply to  MLS

Exactly. More divide and conquer. The nonsense narratives in the news are the absurd and polarizing distractions that people focus their attention on, while the controllers build the digital panopticon.

Viridis
Viridis
Apr 23, 2022 7:17 PM
Reply to  Sunface Jack

Mercenaries deal in death, they need death and they should receive it. The death sentence is most fitting.

WorkingClassHero
WorkingClassHero
Apr 21, 2022 7:14 AM

I believe that OG has censored my recent post regarding the above fake image of the protest, where is my post?

Sure, it did touch on the controversial fact that the image was multicultural and coincidentally all in the same shot. An amazing shot, since all the protests ive been to consist of mostly white privileged randoms. The only one missing in the above shot is a trans…

Sophie - Admin1
Admin
Sophie - Admin1
Apr 21, 2022 7:35 AM

Akismet thought it was spam – it’s now published. The world is safe for free speech again. 😉

WorkingClassHero
WorkingClassHero
Apr 21, 2022 7:53 AM

Good on you Sophie.

I know you guys are part of the alternative agenda, but you do a great job of containing the controversy. Better here than on social media, right? We all need the venting therapy of the OG forum. Albeit amongst the mine field of spooks.

Whilst you are at it, perhaps you could prevent all my posts going to the filtered “Pending” status… It’s been happening for a long time now. I know I’m a loose cannon, but hey… Free speech an all.

Cliff Edwards
Cliff Edwards
Apr 21, 2022 11:33 PM

Happens to all my posts too, but at least now I know I’m in good company.

Mr Y
Mr Y
Apr 21, 2022 7:56 AM

You’ve been around here for a while & know about the spam filter – have a little patience …

jimbojames
jimbojames
Apr 21, 2022 10:19 AM
Reply to  Mr Y

It’s priceless when people (especially those who think of themselves as conscious)
defend censorship as a necessity to fight against, wait for it, Spam.

FFS, nothing more important in the world than the fight against Spam. It justifies everything. Yes, it does.

Cliff Edwards
Cliff Edwards
Apr 21, 2022 11:34 PM
Reply to  jimbojames

How exactly is delaying the publication of a post “censorship”?

Michael
Michael
Apr 21, 2022 4:42 AM

Our treatment of Julian Assange makes me ashamed to be British, and even more so of the mainstream media of which, by and large. I was proud to have been a part until I retired more than two decades ago.
Witnessing Western society descent into a nightmarish blend of Brave New World and 1984, with worse to come as the globalist technocracy tightens its grip on the levers of power, makes me thankful to have been born when I was, on the cusp of a second world war.
Those of us who grew up during that wicked, wasteful conflict and the decades of austerity which followed, discovered the hard way that basic human freedoms are not a given. They must fought for, and when won, constantly defended. Sadly, succeeding generations appear not to have learned this lesson and are capitulating, with scarcely a whimper of protest, to the dark forces on which Julian Assange bravely shone the light of truth.
These chilling words, written nearly half a century ago by Woody Allen, now appear remarkably prescient: “More than any other time in history, mankind faces a crossroads. One path leads to despair and utter hopelessness. The other, to total extinction. Let us pray we have the wisdom to choose correctly.”

Placental_Mammal
Placental_Mammal
Apr 21, 2022 1:12 PM
Reply to  Michael

WW2 was a banker war like most of them. One result was the creation of an apartheid state. The other the expansion of dystopia.

Clive Williams
Clive Williams
Apr 22, 2022 6:27 AM
Reply to  Michael

Grew up in the ’50’s 60’s I’am just pissed this dog and pony show is going on in my Country!
Australian Government switched off lights out as usual no doubt.

Joe Van Steenbergen
Joe Van Steenbergen
Apr 21, 2022 4:41 AM

Inevitable. Hillary and the Deep State will get their pound of Assange flesh, because they can.

Marilyn Shepherd
Marilyn Shepherd
Apr 21, 2022 12:19 PM

They tried already in the USA courts and the case was thrown out by the judge

hotrod31
hotrod31
Apr 21, 2022 4:08 AM

I tend to view JA and Wikileaks as supplanting a pseudo ICAC, that is; acting like an independent commission against corruption, because lord knows, the delegated ‘authorities’ like the ICC/ICJ, UN etc. etc. have been well and truly taken over by the assortment of oligarchs and self-appointed WEF perps. I mean, when you sit staring at the politics and politicians in whichever country you live in, you would have to ask yourself; is “this the best that we, as XYZ society can come up with?” If you answer YES, I have a bridge I would like to sell to you.
Albeit, the compromised and the corrupted PTB are obviously going to do everything within their perceived power to smash an International ICAC exposing their defunct organisations that remain ONLY as window dressings to persecute the dark-skinned leaders, HOS and/or ‘others’ who might the intestinal fortitude and dare to expose the criminality happening right before our very eyes.
The sooner we understand that there is NO real law (Regional, National or International) governing societal jurisprudence, the quicker we will all realise that it is up to me/you/we to overturn the putrified existing governmental and bureaucratic cesspool of corruption, world-wide. SO, I agree with the thought that THIS IS NOT ABOUT JULIAN ASSANGE … never was …

John Ervin
John Ervin
Apr 21, 2022 4:50 AM
Reply to  hotrod31

Too true, just as the Kennedy assassinations were not about the Kennedy’s, but about what their friend Mort Sahl (1st modern age standup comic, still cracking wise, if deep state muted, at 93) identified as the cause is humanity” ~ this is not about Assange but global law, or lack thereof.

[My father, and namesake (ecjlaw.com) was President of the U.N. Association in the last decade or so of his life, until his April 1982 assassination, and he had a helluva lot of 33° Freemasons as clients. It’s my strong conviction that they (High Cabal Masons) and allies, took over the U.N. , if the U.N. wasn’t in fact, designed as a global engine for theur treacherous ways from its very start, cleverly disguised by many, all “human shields”.]

Duckman
Duckman
Apr 21, 2022 8:11 AM
Reply to  John Ervin

Precisement, from the la bouche de cheval or so it seems.
Whilst touched upon glancingly, yet few really delve into the doings of the trowel and pinny child raping, murdering scum.
The great work of ages, the great plan, the great mission.
Perhaps Xavier will do us the service of ellucidation, further than i am able?
removal of weapons from Greek islands, from everywhere…
Defenceless against the invisble hordes of un troops, or perhaps its a case of what they really want….
“Dont look up”

John Ervin
John Ervin
Apr 21, 2022 12:20 PM
Reply to  John Ervin

Clarification: he (John W. Ervin) was President of the United Nations of LOS ANGELES, specifically. But in and of itself it must have been a significant position, as he was awarded the U.N. Peace Medal, in 1978 I believe. One of his clients, Dr. Norman Cousins, was also given that award, no doubt for his remarkable task of serving as backchannel liaison between JFK, Pope St. John XXIII, and Kruschev, by JFK’s request. That is covered unforgettably, in Cousin’s book, “The Improbable Triumvirate”. Cousins taught at UCLA where Dr. Ervin (père) was found off-campus in a locked Lincoln, 40 years ago, since this past Saturday. He had just produced 2 films on nuclear disarmament for the U.N., which were never released, as he predeceased the necessary signings, as producer, etc. An obvious contract killing, still a cold case, which I have discussed elsewhere on these threads, for their much relevance to these globalist issues. I had not spoken to him his last nine years, but thankfully we exchanged letters a few weeks before his sudden murder.

Interesting, inasmuch as it still connects many dots to all these happenings, though obscure to most.

Obscure to the public, but much less obscure to “Intel”. His key client, “MPH” 33°, who apparently directed Operation Monarch, was also murdered, 8 years later, 1990.These dots connect.

Ort
Ort
Apr 21, 2022 9:59 PM
Reply to  John Ervin

FYI, Mort Sahl died on October 26, 2021. RIP. 😢

I intended to post a link, but I had to smile when the search results overwhelmingly listed conventional corporate mass-media venues; I don’t have an ironclad defense to the challenge “Aha! That’s what the Mighty Wurlitzer wants you to believe!” 😉

If that’s what you meant by “deep state muted”, pardon the gratuitous information.

John Ervin.
John Ervin.
Apr 22, 2022 4:40 AM
Reply to  Ort

End of an era. Mort Sahl, American, no world, class hero.

Thanks for the update, if to my rue. This is how USA, LLC, handles its peace heroes: I do regular searches about every couple months, for “notable deaths”. I did one several weeks ago, and Sahl’s name should have popped up. A real legend and valiant to the bone, the marrow!

Talk about blacklisting! I never came across his obit. That’s pretty spooky, too, since I copied his wiki for the glaring disinfo (lies) not long ago, even quoted Jimmy Wales’ muted sections of steer manure, not long ago.

Sahl was still doing comedy shows into 2020, when the lockdowns seen to have muted him.

He and Robin Williams became friends in the ’90s. I think you can find conspiracy dots to connect, since Robin was clearly “muted”.

It speaks volumes, trilogies of them, how Sahl’s rep has been “handled” since the years Jim Garrison deputized him, in 1960s. WOW: and then some!

His very longevity, so muted, spoke silent volumes, as he was for a half century the American “Mossadeq” under Virtual House Arrest forever.

I can relate, I’ve been under their lens since the cradle. ( I told a character, poolside at our gym, “Tim”, a month ago, that looking back at people I met in American circles in Paris of the 1970s, which I mostly avoided, like a bad habit, that my encounters had been clearly manipulated back then, early and often. In heading to the showers, his parting comment is, “They still are.”

Like that isn’t old news. No scheiße, Sherlock. LOL.

When the old man was whacked, lo these 40 years and 5 days, the L.A. Times chief obituarist those years, Burt Folkart, wrote “from undisclosed causes”.

A bullet to the head? They didn’t try that with JFK, at least. Though a (real) sizeable chunk of USA would have been good with that! Looked the other way, per usual.

So, the beat goes. Unlike the Truth, no lie lives forever.

fatalist
fatalist
Apr 21, 2022 3:49 AM

Not only has Assange not been prosecuted (I don’t think he ever will be), he hasn’t been extradited. Priti Patel could massive improve her popularity by simply not sending him to Rwanda.

While his supporters claimed he was being tortured in the embassy, it appears he’d been making making babies with his lawyer. The exact opposite. I am open to the idea that he was only in the embassy and Belmarsh to pose for the media.

Off Guardian published an article

“Assange lawyers’ links to US govt & Bill Browder raises questions

The network of lawyers in conflicting roles in Browder, Assange and US government cases raises questions about Julian Assange’s defense.”

Most of all. Wikileaks’ major material was published by intelligence operations The Guardian and New York Times. If it was harmful to American interests they would never have published

John Ervin
John Ervin
Apr 21, 2022 5:50 AM
Reply to  fatalist

That became my suspicion, and also about other “false defectors” (the term used for Richard Bissell’s 1950s program which missioned a teen Lee Harvey Oswald to Russia, a tenure shared for a much longer span now by Assange confederate, and also a “past” CIA agent, Snowden).

Daniel ELLSBERG comes to mind, also someone whose “tell-all” leaks were first published by NYT and WaPo, tabloids of record well-known to historians of any credibility whatever as the virtual right and left arm of CIA disinformation, Homeland style, going back to Tillman Durdin of NYT and his total complicity in the Place Garnier car bombings in Saigon, 1952 (dramatized in The Quiet American, Greene novel and 2001 film). Further notoriety stems from the established facts that Ellsberg was aide-de-camp to Lt. Col. Ed Lansdale, to my mind one of the most deadly and notorious high-rankers at CIA yl for all time, who bought the film rights of the Greene novel in 1956 so he could turn it into one of the most quintessentially farcical ads for patriotic ecstasies about our duplicitous future armed presence in Nam. And also Lansdale was a presence in Dallas, Dealey Plaza, 11.22.63, a fact vouched by L. Fletcher Prouty, JFK lisason officer to CIA, and Mr. X in Stone’s film JFK, the key military adviser..
After that, Ellsberg went to RAND, in the news now, and a long known CIA tentacle, whence he “defected” to publish his leakage of Pentagon Papers.

I don’t know about you, but all these characters, Ellsberg, Snowden, Assange, Manning, Intercept journalists, etc., have SO much CIA over-the-limit carry-on baggage for their flights away, it’s hard to take them aboard with a straight face and clear head.

mgeo
mgeo
Apr 21, 2022 8:36 AM
Reply to  John Ervin

+1

fatalist
fatalist
Apr 21, 2022 1:20 PM
Reply to  John Ervin

Excellent, thanks. This post illustrates that to know things beyond what is seen in intelligence propaganda channels like the BBC, Guardian and NYT to understand how things work. Ellsberg was the name I was trying to remember as the Assange analogue who never went to jail.

That’s why my original post covered Assange’s origins in 1991.To illustrate that most people think he’s a journalist and his fanboys foam at the mouth claiming to defend journalism. What journalism ?There is only propaganda left.

Play silly games, win silly prizes.

Placental_Mammal
Placental_Mammal
Apr 21, 2022 1:20 PM
Reply to  John Ervin

Plus 100. Mannings tranvestite transformation is also an indication of establishment ties.

Orthus
Orthus
Apr 21, 2022 7:06 AM
Reply to  fatalist

One assumes from your pro Hillary Biden attitudes and the times of your postings that you are a Sceptic Tank?

fatalist
fatalist
Apr 21, 2022 1:25 PM
Reply to  Orthus

I am Scottish, retired (awake late) and think American corporate liberals are the lowest form of human life. Contrasting with the vibrant culture in the 1960s before COINTELPRO, before Dylan was terrified by the JFK assassination.

George Mc
George Mc
Apr 21, 2022 2:07 PM
Reply to  fatalist

Very astute comment. Dylan certainly got out pretty sharpish, went all country and everntually born again etc. Jagger had always protected himself with cynicism. Lennon however failed to “learn his lesson”. And we all know what happened to him.

Jax
Jax
Apr 21, 2022 3:27 AM

Julian Assange is a freemason actor. all the worlds a stage. no-one is fighting for you. anyone with any substantial following is controlled opposition. all these youtube videos people post here are controlled assets, Julian Assange is a psyop. its qanon for the “thinking man” its theater
voting is for slavesdemocracy has NEVER existedwar is peaceignorance is strengthorwell is a cia operative
no one is fighting for you
they call you the profanethe vulgarthe unwashed massesthe goyimthe cattlethe slaves

les online
les online
Apr 21, 2022 2:13 AM

Julian Assange is not the issue here.
Nor is Wikileaks…

John Ervin
John Ervin
Apr 21, 2022 5:54 AM
Reply to  les online

Well, yes and no. I’m not sure how anyone can say that categorically, but that’s what’s so troubling about such things, “these days”.

Marilyn Shepherd
Marilyn Shepherd
Apr 21, 2022 7:40 AM
Reply to  les online

Well yes he is, he not only proved massive cover ups and war crimes but his arrest has silenced the gutless fucks called global media who are all only too happen to help him expose the crimes but tell him to fuck off now.

Fuck the rest of the trash media, they don’t deserve the press freedom they claim to want because they simply do not earn it.

WorkingClassHero
WorkingClassHero
Apr 21, 2022 9:16 AM

His so called “exposure of government” only got air time by main stream. Not sure if you actually read the documents exposing the war crimes, but there were supposedly thousands of them.

So not only would one have to read them all, one would also need a degree in law to understand the terminology used.

So, the average Joe would have to visit Wikileaks, locate the documents, download them, spend thousands of hours reading and understanding them. Not likely.

However, the main stream and their merry men supposedly did just this and broadcast the documents in a summery report into every lounge room in the western world via local news. Without this broadcast nobody would have known the story.

Meanwhile Assange gets pinched for leaking docs when it was the main stream that broadcast them to the world. Without the coverage nobody would have known.

This is the story we are supposed to believe. What do you think?

The Lord Is My Shepherd…

TDj
TDj
Apr 22, 2022 10:30 AM

@WCH. Having downloaded and laboured long nights reading, scanning, reading
Periodically very slowly, in awe at the content of Wikileaks Documents, it is essential
To confirm that the documentation was REAL & ACCURATE precise records from the
Horses Mouth. Whether I was researching a Bulgarian Airforce General’s NATO
Military Command Strategy training, back in 2009 (Radev, now President) or Hillary’s emails at the time of Ambassador Stevens’ ‘sacrifice’…
they were 100% evidence of Fact.
Who orchestrated or said what, to whom and when will HRC, if ever,
Be held accountable ? ‘ Balkan corkscrew manoeuvres ‘
To this day . . . Azov now, Visible.

Having arrived ahead of NATOs bases, I have studied their methods with great interest: and financial structuring, for decades: now, employing the BG. 8th largest per capita Civil Police Force, aligned with World leading Turkish Police per capita 🇹🇷 NATO has a massive regional reserve Capacity to Enforce even Erdogan’s wishes, if push comes to shove in the Oligarch’s Club of Gangsters.
Forgetting Istanbul conventions, serving ALL colours.
So, to twist your melons further than obvious realities,
Being media wise, float this thought (chuckle) what if…

Julian Assange were to reveal that he designed & wrote the first ever
Blockchain Distributed Ledger. ? !
Perhaps, Assange Authored the Bitcoin Whitepaper ?
This could explain things, character wise…
Satoshi Nakamoto ? An introvert’s ideal alias,
When the key strokes of foundational elementary computerised
Reforms are installed. . . Blockchains frighten TPTB !
From the ‘getgo’… maybe Assange too, in many ways?
But Blockchains exist, Like President Radev’s
Command Strategy Training,
To posit NATO.
Do the math.
Just a thought.

wardropper
wardropper
Apr 23, 2022 3:41 AM

One need not have a degree in law at all.
It’s perfectly possible to be ‘legalistically literate’ and understand such documents without such a degree.
It is, however, hard work – like anything else which needs to be done well.
Start . . . now. 🙂

Habitualminer
Habitualminer
Apr 21, 2022 2:08 AM

What can we expect of a country that still has royalty and a Queen for Heaven’s sake? Britain is no better than Russia or China, the U.S. or Burkina Faso. Cross the local barons and you get your entrails handed to you on a plate.

New Name
New Name
Apr 21, 2022 2:04 AM

9/11

This fellow accepts the 19 boxcutter brandishing cave dwellers version of 9/11. That suggests that this whole thing is a long running psyop.

sandy
sandy
Apr 21, 2022 2:03 AM

It’s more likely that the spin, that disclosures like Assange’s are planted propaganda, is the ACTUAL propaganda. See the CIA internal memo: “How To Make Everything Unbelievable & Thus Eliminate Scrutiny Of Everything We Do”.

Orthus
Orthus
Apr 21, 2022 7:07 AM
Reply to  sandy

👍

John Ervin.
John Ervin.
Apr 21, 2022 1:09 AM

Bobby Kennedy Jr. a half hour into his interview by Jimmy Dore, says, “…there is a little known federal law that was very big in Tony Fauci’s mind, that you cannot get emergency use authorization for a vaccine, for any reason, if there is a medication that has been proven effective against the target illness…” And so on. He and Dore go on to show pages from Virology Journal and NIH’s own library going back almost TWENTY YEARS that document how extremely effective Ivermectin is, IN THEIR OWN STUDIES.

For me that’s a smoking gun of global bad faith, at least. Crimes of just the greatest magnitude. Ho hum, some more to throw on the pile. But massive ones, big as the whole pile.

Check out the full hour interview, riveting. A month ago I could only get the full version at Rumbl, as YT had gutted it, after first removing it, to only the first 8 minutes. No wonder, it calls all kinds of worldwide villains out front and center. And they know who they are.

Seansaighdeor
Seansaighdeor
Apr 20, 2022 10:26 PM

Gonzalo Lira dead confirms Scott Ritter in Telegram post. Details below.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oonmPZM9XJ0

A very bad day all round.

Cliff Edwards
Cliff Edwards
Apr 21, 2022 1:08 AM
Reply to  Seansaighdeor

Ritter does not confirm that Gonzalo Lira is dead in the Telegram post referred to in that video.

When Belorussian authorities pulled Roman Protasevich, a blogger who had served a combat tour in the neo-Nazi Azov battalion before working for Radio Free Europe’s Belarus channel out of Prague, off an airplane in May, 2021, on charges of inciting a political opposition (roughly the equivalent of sedition), the world went crazy, accusing Belarusian President Alexander Lukashenko of trampling on free speech. Protasevich is alive and well, living under house arrest while awaiting trial.

When reports emerged that Gonzo Lira, a Chilean social media “influencer” who resided in Kharkov, Ukraine, and who published online content critical of the Ukrainian government, was kidnapped, tortured, and murdered by the Kraken Unit, part of the Azov battalion affiliated with the Ukrainian Security Service (SBU), the West is silent.

Free speech isn’t a one way street. To remain silent in the murder of Gonzo Lira is to be complicit in his death, and the deaths of all journalists who pursue the truth, even if it runs counter to the mainstream narrative. Critical thinking should not be a death sentence. Unfortunately for Gonzo Lira, it seems it was.

What exactly do you think “When reports emerged that…” means? Ritter talks about the hypocrisy of Western mainstream narratives with regards to free speech. He quite obviously suspects and fears that Lira is dead, as do I, but he does not confirm it.

Seansaighdeor
Seansaighdeor
Apr 21, 2022 8:55 AM
Reply to  Cliff Edwards

Scott Ritter posted the following tweet on Telegram.

Although I accept that the confirmation is from the Russian news aggregator, he now seems to rowing back from his position based on that statement, although it is pretty unambiguous.

https://t.me/intelslava/26133

Cliff Edwards
Cliff Edwards
Apr 21, 2022 11:52 PM
Reply to  Seansaighdeor

Intel Slava Z posted that, not Ritter, and it is an edited version of Ritter’s original Telegram post, the full text of which is in my previous reply.

Ritter himself said in a subsequent RT article:

The internet being the internet, my post was immediately cited as my “confirmation” that Gonzalo Lira had, in fact, been kidnapped and murdered by the SBU. I quickly sent out a follow-on post to correct the record.

.

“A point of clarification,” I wrote, “I have no direct evidence that Gonzalo has been killed. I was clear I was referring to ‘reports emerging’ about his demise. But Gonzo said any disappearance of more than 12 hours should be treated as if something bad had happened to him. It’s been five days. If this had been a New York Times reporter disappearing in Russian-controlled territory, it would be headline news – especially if a Chechen ‘hunter killer’ team had taken credit for his death. But with Gonzo – silence. Which was the whole purpose of the post: To raise awareness about his disappearance.”

Ah yes, the internet being the internet, and people with poor comprehension skills being people with poor comprehension skills, like you and the fool who created the video you linked to.

https://www.rt.com/russia/554289-gonzalo-lira-disappearance-ukraine/

New Name
New Name
Apr 21, 2022 2:06 AM
Reply to  Seansaighdeor

Real dissenters get killed. The Daily Beast editor graduated from Jerusalem U.
Fellows like Assange live forever.

MLS
MLS
Apr 21, 2022 9:22 AM
Reply to  Seansaighdeor

Why is Ritter a reliable source? He comes over to me as a blowhard horn-tooter trading on having once worked for the UN. Loves to be in the public eye. Loves to make like he’s in the know.

FWIW (not much) I always thought he (and Gonzalo Lira actually) were spooks.

WorkingClassHero
WorkingClassHero
Apr 20, 2022 10:26 PM

I like how the above image of the the so called protesters are so in tune with the multicultural, male/female equality agenda. It’s amazing how all the diversity standing together can be captured in a single image.

Get your daily dose of fake news repeated here folks.

Ort
Ort
Apr 20, 2022 10:14 PM

I don’t exactly “distrust” Wikileaks, but I find it curious that it seems to have become virtually dormant since its 2007 “Collateral Damage” heyday, and since Assange was heinously captured and imprisoned.

I haven’t commented about this much in recent years, but in the past my comments that Wikileaks has virtually gone quiet provoked furious responses from Assange/Wikileaks supporters. The rebuttals claimed that Wikileaks has indeed provided a steady stream of revelations, though perhaps not as sensational as the “Collateral Damage” video, but that conventional mass-media refuses to report continuing releases and disclosures because of its anti-Assange bias.

Alternatively, I was reproved that since Wikileaks relies on outside whistleblowers to supply newsworthy information and evidence, it couldn’t be “blamed” if it wasn’t getting as much input as formerly.

I wasn’t “blaming” Wikileaks, or faulting Assange. But apart from its reduced output, there was one mystery that no one seemed to insightfully or credibly address: for years, it was hinted or rumored that Wikileaks had a trove of particularly sensitive and compelling information that it was witholding as a form of “insurance” to protect Assange and other Wikileaks administrators from vicious official reprisals. 

Supposedly even the threat of releasing this “explosive” cache was a potent “nuclear option” that would restrain the overclass and its minions and goons from taking drastic action against the organization and its leaders, especially Assange.

I long ago concluded that this could not be true, since the malevolent Western authorities have abused Assange almost to the point of death, and have ruthlessly chained him to a judicial juggernaut that amounts to super slow-motion execution. 

So, while I don’t strongly distrust Wikileaks, I have qualms about them– and for that matter, Assange’s legal team. Sometimes they give the impression of being like a group of chaplains sympathetically escorting a prisoner from his cell to the execution chamber.

John Ervin
John Ervin
Apr 21, 2022 6:04 AM
Reply to  Ort

WikiLeaks, to date, seems to be the Mother of All False Flags. Dave Emory covered so much of this in the past 15 years, ongoing, at spitfirelist.com, and his long series “Eddie the Friendly Spook”. What he says in his broadcasts, and expanded material, just makes so much sense, though I would shout Easter hosannas if he were proven wrong. More than a shadow of a doubt. What Assange produced in the Middle East led to a power vacuum quickly filled by the Muslim Brotherhood and sundry fascisms.

Doesn’t leave a good taste.

“You shall know them by their fruits”.

Rotten fruits, and even nastier taste.

Marilyn Shepherd
Marilyn Shepherd
Apr 21, 2022 7:43 AM
Reply to  John Ervin

Assange didn’t produce anything, he didn’t create the fucking war or the vaccuum, that was the scum doing the invading and killing. For fuck’s sake he published facts, that is his crime.

NickM
NickM
Apr 21, 2022 9:00 AM

Straight to the point. +1

fatalist
fatalist
Apr 21, 2022 1:28 PM
Reply to  John Ervin

Excellent, spot on.

John Ervin
John Ervin
Apr 21, 2022 9:48 PM
Reply to  fatalist

Thanks, I’ve actually compared notes with a couple ofCoptic priests, on separate occasions, it’s hard to miss them out and about, in their black cassocks. They, longtime residents of Cairo, both agreed point by point with my assessment. I traced the steps by which Assanges’s leaks first caused havoc in the Tunisian power structure, and the rest were dominos. Mohammed Morsi, erstwhile victor of the protests in Cairo, was educated next door to me in L.A., at USC, where my father had taught law for 2 decades+, then Morsi went to work for NASA….?

The one disagreement with the 2ndCoptic priest, during the lift in the lockdowns, summer of ’20, was that I alleged Morsi had been assassinated in 2019, though official reports had him dying in jail. The priest said, “No, he died of a heart attack’.” I countered,”Yeah, and his brother died within a couple months of him in a traffic accident! You’ll get to know how these perps operate” He left shaking his head, but worldly wiser I do believe.

I think you can trace all that 2011 chaos to Assange, there are many signs. The whole “Arab Spring” thing was a big act, heavily toured by Amy Goodman, DN, at the time as some “freedom in the air” though she may have been taken in too? Right?

All PSYOP. Or so it surely seems?

George Mc
George Mc
Apr 21, 2022 2:15 PM
Reply to  Ort

It’s interesting that Wikileaks was founded 5 years after 9/11 i.e. at a time when the suspicions of that event were mounting and Assange was always implacably hostile to any alternative accounts. He was part of that chorus who would chirp about the “real crimes” of the state rather than (allegedly) imaginary ones.

And then the now disgraced WSWS would have their entire main page given over to Assange, as did Consortium. None of which is meant to imply that Assange is “in on it”. His distress is probably real. But there are no doubt many shades between spook and dupe. And many different pawn configurations.

Edith
Edith
Apr 20, 2022 10:10 PM

Compared to forcing millions to get a toxic needle, ruining their businesses, livelihoods, causing family and friend dislocation any thing Julian may have done pales into insignificance,,..and one can almost bet the perpetrators of the current crimes against humanity will be let off on basis of following orders and science…

I occasionally feel for Julian as he wandered around my neck of the woods for a time long ago…would have been better to have lived the simple life here but some of us have interesting destinies we are obviously drawn too.

more diversionary bullshit.

Jeffrey Strahl
Jeffrey Strahl
Apr 20, 2022 11:32 PM
Reply to  Edith

Although i’d have to say that gaining complete apathy on the part of the public re his treatment paved the way for Operation Pandemic.

John Ervin.
John Ervin.
Apr 23, 2022 3:40 PM
Reply to  Jeffrey Strahl

Well, yes, if it’s really apathy, or if coronapalooza is…. flu, or bat dung, from outer space.

Was it “apathy” that started modern America on its road down, paved or otherwise, when most everyone ignored the signs of a Nazi coup d’état with the JFK murder? A lot of “citizens” were OK with that. I felt it, as an eleven years old. 4 years before that I had my eyebrows seriously raised when I learned that my fanboy’s NASA space race was headed by Hitler’s top rocket scientist. When I complained, a LOT of neighbors (in our well-heeled town of Newport Beach, CA) were wary of me. The same people started calling me “hostile”.

Still am!

Observe
Observe
Apr 20, 2022 10:02 PM

I took an an interest in and followed this incredible story from very early on. While acknowledging that there may be elements to the whole wikileaks/Assange affair that are unknowable to most, I believe that anything less than the immediate release of Mr Assange further darkens the growing stain on the UK justice system and the nation’s ability to make independent decisions on crucial matters of international concern.

Regardless of your stance on the case, the treatment of this human being by the parties responsible is inhuman and deplorable and should be roundly condemned. We should be better than this by now.

Marilyn Shepherd
Marilyn Shepherd
Apr 20, 2022 9:59 PM

The haters of Assange are the pollies whose crimes were exposed and the media too lazy to do any actual work. His arrest and abuse is disgusting on every level and the tired old bullshit of ”no matter what you think of Assange” blah, blah, blah has to fucking stop.

It’s wrong. FULL STOP, END,

WorkingClassHero
WorkingClassHero
Apr 20, 2022 10:34 PM

And we know this because… The same people who are selling the flu as a killer told us so?

Assange, started out as a teen hacker based on Magnetic Island apparently. Fuck me, they still use push bikes as the main mode of transport on the island.

Pretty sure there was no internet connection on the island back in the early 90s. I was living in Townsville at the time and was an early adopter of the internet. There were few providers back then, usually local ISPs, micro providers with servers in there garage.

More lies…

Cliff Edwards
Cliff Edwards
Apr 21, 2022 12:48 AM

Fuck me, they still use push bikes as the main mode of transport on the island.

There’s something wrong with that?

WorkingClassHero
WorkingClassHero
Apr 21, 2022 7:02 AM
Reply to  Cliff Edwards

Bit defensive there Cliff.

Don’t worry, i’m an environmentalist too, not by my avatar status, but by action. However, not to the extreme of WEF you understand.

My point was time moves slowly on the Island. It’s an unlikely story that Mr Assange was a early day hacker situated on a prehistoric Island with little communication, let alone advance internet.

But since I’m explaining myself here, it’s likely you have missed my point.

Cliff Edwards
Cliff Edwards
Apr 22, 2022 12:00 AM

I’m not worried at all. Your point is blunt.

Edith
Edith
Apr 21, 2022 8:15 AM

Suspect you may have to check exactly where he was when he started the game of hacking…I have memories of it being melbourne…not sure they stayed long on mag is…he was here on atherton tableland at some point early….there were the odd servers around…and other interesting ways to connect to the net that I witnessed by computer experts…

WorkingClassHero
WorkingClassHero
Apr 21, 2022 10:37 AM
Reply to  Edith

Check where Edith? Are you suggesting I need to investigate further. Why not simply show us the compelling evidence that has convinced you, don’t leave us all in suspenders.

Marilyn Shepherd
Marilyn Shepherd
Apr 21, 2022 2:13 PM

He lived in Melbourne

Glen Batterham
Glen Batterham
Apr 22, 2022 6:22 AM
Reply to  Edith

I heard that the family moved about a lot when he was young after they got mixed up in a “cult” incidentally called the Family.

John Ervin.
John Ervin.
Apr 23, 2022 10:23 AM

We know that Assange, like Ellsberg worked for CIA. Ellsberg didn’t go to jail, Assange did.

There were reasons, but none really that exonerate either one.
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Outing CIA black ops doesn’t really seem very practicable, or an ironclad life insurance policy. So there’s always that to throw a little shade on the respective alibis of both!

NickM
NickM
Apr 21, 2022 9:02 AM

+1

STARR
STARR
Apr 20, 2022 9:31 PM

This is such an obvious ploy to stop people from speaking out. It’s crazy to me to that speaking Truth is seen as being a crime where you can be locked up forever.

Johhno
Johhno
Apr 21, 2022 2:48 AM
Reply to  STARR

In a documentary on Mordechai Vanunu (who exposed Israel’s nuclear research), an associate was asked to comment, and replied with a shake of the head, “We know what they did to Vanunu.”

NickM
NickM
Apr 21, 2022 9:05 AM
Reply to  STARR

“In the world according to TB.Liar, telling the truth is a capital offense.” — with apologies to 1984.

Dr.David Kelly, RIP.

WorkingClassHero
WorkingClassHero
Apr 21, 2022 10:38 AM
Reply to  STARR

I would agree, a few years in advance of the crime of the century. Speak out if you dare.

John Ervin.
John Ervin.
Apr 20, 2022 9:09 PM

I totally agree! Extraditing him at this point sends multiple messages, but probably not any of them good. Well, at least in regards to most of the public, or world itself, which doesn’t yet seem to have any true clue as to Assange’s allegiances. (In our era of quintuple crosses, or asymmetric espionage, perhaps even Mr. Assange no longer has one, who could blame him. But all the same he no doubt still sides with what may or not be the public interest, against extradition. Or not. The waters have all been muddied, and at various depths, so who knows..)

Either Mrs. Assange, or the crowd behind her, seems to be dancing? Am I right? That’s just simple multi-tasking. Maybe a two-step naturally comes with a public display. (We had one like it in grammar school lo these many years, some yanks might still remember it, “You do the Hokey Pokey, and you turn yourself around! That’s what it’s all about!”)

austrian peter
austrian peter
Apr 20, 2022 9:07 PM

I think HMG has gone rouge ever since early 2020. They have used military grade PsyOps through their Nudge Unit, aka BIT, raining fear and damnation upon their own people. It is not only reprehensible it is down right criminal and all those involved – Boris and gang, Hancock, Whitty, Van Dam, et al need to be called to account.

I have researched and written extensively about all this for the last two years and read the books too like Dr Peter Breggin: https://www.amazon.co.uk/COVID-19-Global-Predators-Are-Prey/dp/0982456069

But we are coming for you – give it time: https://sarahwestall.com/grand-jury-court-of-public-opinion-day-2-historical-background/

You can follow me here: https://www.theburningplatform.com/author/austrian-peter/

Jeffrey Strahl
Jeffrey Strahl
Apr 20, 2022 8:44 PM

“Whether or not you like or trust WikiLeaks and Assange is almost immaterial – the story we’re being told is just plain wrong, and in protesting this treatment we hope to protect not just Assange, but any one of us who may one day find themselves in the crosshairs of the state.”
You nail it.

NameWithheld
NameWithheld
Apr 20, 2022 8:31 PM

I post this without comment:
Dead YouTuber hacked by Musk Bitcoin scammers

John Goss
John Goss
Apr 20, 2022 7:36 PM

We’ve gone full Nazi.

Just testing if that’s the word that threw my comment onto the heap.

John Goss
John Goss
Apr 20, 2022 7:36 PM
Reply to  John Goss

Apparently not.

John Goss
John Goss
Apr 20, 2022 7:52 PM
Reply to  John Goss

It looks like these comments are disappearing never to reappear. If a mod goes looking for this latest perhaps he/she would also be kind enough to look for one about “William Powell’s oration over the body of Myron Selznick written by Gene Fowler” from a few days back – not the one I left today.

Sophie - Admin1
Admin
Sophie - Admin1
Apr 21, 2022 12:21 AM
Reply to  John Goss

The comment you think hasn’t been published is right here

https://off-guardian.org/2022/04/20/discuss-julian-assange-to-be-extradited/#comment-500821

And has been since you posted it

timasprin
timasprin
Apr 20, 2022 7:20 PM

It’s a bit of a shame that The Trump didn’t step in and quash this when he had a chance, but then he didn’t do a lot of things, he couldn’t even build The Wall could he?
Maybe next time around.

Habitualminer
Habitualminer
Apr 21, 2022 2:10 AM
Reply to  timasprin

Trump, the Wizard of Oz, isn’t it clear to all?

New Name
New Name
Apr 21, 2022 2:12 AM
Reply to  timasprin

Drumpf is a puppet of the central banking cartel like most heads of state.

John Goss
John Goss
Apr 20, 2022 7:09 PM

I feel so powerless. One way or another I have been campaigning on behalf of all journalists, not just Assange, but his case is perhaps the highest profile. My country, the country I love and was raised in, has gone from being a country that largely opposed human rights breaches to one which wholeheartedly supports them. Journalists are not allowed to have a different opinion from mainstream – in short we have gone full Nazi.

https://johnplatinumgoss.com/2022/04/04/support-willem-engel-in-prison-for-all-of-us/

In the case of Willem Engel the Dutch court did the right thing, at least temporarily. This shows there are still honest people among the judiciary. There were thousands of letters in support of Willem Engel and hopefully that played a part.

There are many thousands of times more of us than there are of the would-be global-owners. Tomorrow is not the time to take action.

wardropper
wardropper
Apr 20, 2022 9:04 PM
Reply to  John Goss

This really needed to be nipped in the bud while Bliar was fawning over GWB back in 2003.
Some tried, but not enough.
So of course things got even worse.
I can’t bring myself to contemplate what 2030 will look like…

New Name
New Name
Apr 21, 2022 2:13 AM
Reply to  John Goss

Which country is that ?

Martin Usher
Martin Usher
Apr 20, 2022 6:59 PM

Sad, but also predictable. There’s been a reasonably successful full court press to neutralize him, to paint him as an egomaniac, a dangerous yet irrelevant looney sort that relies on the short attention span of the public but unconvincing for those of us who are cursed with longer memories. All this has done is drag the legal system (and by extension the government) of the UK into disrepute — but then anyone who’s been half awake in recent times knows they don’t have much of a ‘repute’ to ‘dis’ to start with.

Once in the US Federal system I don’t rate his chances too highly.

sandy
sandy
Apr 20, 2022 6:06 PM

Don’t trust the Wikileaks story? This would mean not believing that US foreign policy has been the prosecution of violent empire since the Spanish American “War”. Anyone who knows history knows the US is the most violent murderous country on Earth post WW2. Exposing just fraction of this to the mainstream makes Assange untrustworthy? Please. Get a clue. Cointelpro at home. CIA abroad. Slaves at home, slaves abroad. The master empire.

Wikipedia, not exactly a radical source tells us 1000x what Assange did. Right in the open. Truth that even the CIA does not dispute. Read some history and get a clue.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_involvement_in_regime_change

Tremaine
Tremaine
Apr 21, 2022 12:03 AM
Reply to  sandy

@Sandy: in what anti-imperialist bubble a la Caitlin Johnstone do you live and exclusively socialise? Some Politics department with a Marxist tradition? Because your assumption that “anyone who knows history” know what you know is wrong. That is because the bulk of the sheeple in Western countries do not know and do not want to know. As C Austin Fitts says US citizens have been doing well out of Empire. As John Connally said, the US dollar is our currency and your problem

.I estimate that 1 in 1,000 will have heard of Cointelpro. And I suspect it is entirely possible to get a degree in US Studies without having been told of it. Btw, do you yourself know who Harry Elmer Barnes was? I thought not.

That is why Harold Pinter held his famous Nobel Prize on the topic in 2005 or so.

Hence Assange is indeed a danger to the narrative. Why do you think Killary Clinton and various other US politicians publicly wanted him dead?

sandy
sandy
Apr 21, 2022 1:50 AM
Reply to  Tremaine

Of course he is. I was trying to point the absurdity of making him an enemy of the state when the greatest enemy to all of us is the State.

MLS
MLS
Apr 21, 2022 9:43 AM
Reply to  sandy

There’s a difference between trusting WikiLeaks and believing some of the stuff they put out. All controlled ops and honeypots put out some gold. Just enough to convince the gullible.

fertility
fertility
Apr 20, 2022 6:00 PM

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S Cooper
S Cooper
Apr 21, 2022 6:23 PM
Reply to  fertility

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der einzige
der einzige
Apr 20, 2022 5:19 PM

what a fucked up censorship site. if you write the word M o s s a n g e your comment will not be published.

Sophie - Admin1
Admin
Sophie - Admin1
Apr 21, 2022 12:26 AM
Reply to  der einzige

sigh…

your other comments where you call the man ‘Mossange’ are also right where you put them btw

der einzige
der einzige
Apr 20, 2022 5:17 PM

I think that only a finite idiot will believe that MSM (superhero published in NYT, Spigel, Guardian, Economist, etc.) would allow to publish anything against its owners.

Could someone finally write what Mossange revealed that we would not have known before, except that he helped destroy rival Rothschilds in Switzerland, supported the Empire’s “Arab Spring” with his “revelations” and supported the official version of 911? Anything?

and one more thing

If you say Corbett is right about the war in Ukraine, why are you denying his opinion about Mossange? And if he is not right about Mossange, why is he right about Ukraine?

fatalist
fatalist
Apr 20, 2022 9:05 PM
Reply to  der einzige

All of those facts are damning of his credibility to be an anti establishment journalist.

MLS
MLS
Apr 21, 2022 9:45 AM
Reply to  der einzige

Are they “denying his opinion” about Assange? What is his opinion? They don’t seem to be denying it whatever it is. They don’t seem to be denying anything.

S Cooper
S Cooper
Apr 20, 2022 5:15 PM

“One Name.”
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https://history.nycourts.gov/case/crown-v-zenger/

“John Peter Zenger.”

S Cooper
S Cooper
Apr 21, 2022 1:33 AM
Reply to  S Cooper

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WorkingClassHero
WorkingClassHero
Apr 21, 2022 7:03 AM
Reply to  S Cooper

Why is one eye shaded? I like the artwork…

NickM
NickM
Apr 21, 2022 9:14 AM
Reply to  S Cooper

Thank you for that reminder of a man who tried to warn us of early signs of a plague that is now engulfing the earth.

Gary Webb, RIP.

Victor G.
Victor G.
Apr 21, 2022 2:13 PM
Reply to  S Cooper

Thank you.Perhaps you could have done this in two posts? JA and Gary Webb are like night and day.

Howard
Howard
Apr 20, 2022 5:02 PM

Here’s an interesting article I just read. It’s not about Mr Assange; yet neither is it “off topic.” It shows what the state of that bugaboo thing-a-ma-jig we call The Law has degenerated to. While Mr Assange gets extradited, innocent folks in the US get just a bit more roughed up.

Jackboots Policing: No-Knock Raids Rip a Hole in the Fourth Amendment – Global ResearchGlobal Research – Centre for Research on Globalization

Lorie
Lorie
Apr 20, 2022 5:28 PM
Reply to  Howard

yeah a swat team came to my neighborhood, full on military style humvee/tank, dozens of cops, sniffer dogs. Terrorized the whole quiet street. Later I found out it was to serve a warrant. FFS.

les online
les online
Apr 21, 2022 2:04 AM
Reply to  Lorie

How else are They going to train the swat except ‘on the job’ ?
Almost daily in a busy inner Sydney suburb, Sarge, followed by half a dozen newly minted Enforcers, like a mother duck leading her brood, is on the prowl for your stereotypical “Loser” to use to teach the brood how to do a “body search” in public, without feeling self-conscious, embarrassed…
The Loser, always a young male “scruff”, is stood against a wall, stripped almost naked, every inch of him, his clothes and kit, thoroughly searched. The Loser is degraded, humiliated in public…
The brood form a semi-circle, backs to the public. Body language: evident is discomfort, even shame over the humiliation they are inflicting on the stranger…
But they wont be Good Enforcers if they bother about his feelings or what the public thinks about the ‘work’ they are required to do. They wont be Good Enforcers if they allow any feelings stop themselves hurting strangers with their weapons…
They are not learning to be human, they’re learning to be obedient Enforcers…
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NickM
NickM
Apr 21, 2022 9:17 AM
Reply to  Howard

“Wir klopft nicht an” (We do not knock). SS slogan.

Why knock when you can bust the door?

fertility
fertility
Apr 20, 2022 4:55 PM

But what do you think?
Its quite a PR make over for David Davis he has ‘new media’ mention him quite a lot. 
villain turned fake pretend outspoken hero.
Doesn’t take long.

Cant Assange’s legal team prank call Priti Patel ?

Orthus
Orthus
Apr 20, 2022 5:56 PM
Reply to  fertility

This is entirely consistent for David Davis.

On 12 June 2008, Davis resigned from the Shadow Cabinet and announced his resignation as an MP, in order to force a by-election, and cause a wider debate on the single issue of what he believed to be the erosion of civil liberties. On 18 June 2008, he resigned from the House of Commons.[21] He stood as the Conservative Party candidate for his current seat in the subsequent by-election.[22] The announcement came a day after the narrow passing of a parliamentary vote on the Counter-Terrorism Bill, which would extend the limit on the period of detention of terror suspects without charge in England and Wales, from 28 to 42 days.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Davis_(British_politician)

He also campaigned against ID cards and got rid of David Blunkett. More on Wiki.

fertility
fertility
Apr 20, 2022 6:33 PM
Reply to  Orthus

case closed; coz it on wiki.!