Perspective host Jesse Zurawell is joined by OffG Kit Knightly to discuss the state of the world, the media, and what we can do about it.
- What was the underlying strategy behind the beginning of the war in Ukraine?
- Are Russia and China the saviours of freedom some believe them to be?
- Is it right – or healthy – to embrace politicians as heroes?
- Is there such a thing as a “moral” foreign policy?
- What is the future of the East-West divide, and what does it mean for the New Normal?
They address all these questions and more.
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what horses ass this clown is regarding on Russia. ask us to discredit Putin but then let’s cat out of the bag that he is half Ukranian and sympathtic to Nazis . shameof off guardian shares this clown’s point of “view” Jesse ZUrawell is prejudiced horrible interviwer just not asking questions to push his pro Ukrainne agenda
When the collar doesn’t match the cuffs!
The Grayzone article includes the following:
What this means is that Zelensky and the Azov Nazis are part of the same theatrical production. And although it is financed via Kolomoisky, he received (according to Putin) several billion dollars from Putin’s friend, Abramovich. This transfer occurred a couple of years prior to 2014.
Back to the mismatch!
The headline states:
But there was never any conflict or separation between Zelensky and the Azov Nazis. As admitted later in the article, they were working for the same boss.
The article is filed within a section headed:
So given that the support for the theatrical production has come from Russia, and via Kolomoisky, why has this been headlined “U.S. Support”?
If they’ve got a multi-billion dollar budget, they can pay a few stooge politicians to hand out some cookies and to “leak” a staged phone call. And maybe they’d still have enough change left to get them to mention “biolabs” in a congressional hearing!
Why would Putin disclose that “several billion dollars” had been transferred from (via) Abramovich to Kolomoisky?
This is just guessing, but maybe:
a) the information was already out and Putin was just trying to spin the narrative.
b) Putin was sending a signal to his people that they could trust Kolomoisky.
Press conference on the situation in Ukraine
President Vladimir Putin of Russia takes questions from the Russian media on March 3, 2014, following Russian military action in Ukraine’s Crimean Peninsula.
Released: March 4, 2014
For example, Mr Kolomoisky was appointed Governor of Dnepropetrovsk. This is a unique crook. He even managed to cheat our oligarch Roman Abramovich two or three years ago. Scammed him, as our intellectuals like to say. They signed some deal, Abramovich transferred several billion dollars, while this guy never delivered and pocketed the money. When I asked him [Abramovich]: “Why did you do it?” he said: “I never thought this was possible.” I do not know, by the way, if he ever got his money back and if the deal was closed. But this really did happen a couple of years ago. And now this crook is appointed Governor of Dnepropetrovsk. No wonder the people are dissatisfied. They were dissatisfied and will remain so if those who refer to themselves the legitimate authorities continue in the same fashion.
In addition to funding Azov and Zelensky, Kolomoisky had to be compensated for the loss of Crimean assets.
Following their 2014 annexation of Crimea, the Russian authorities nationalised Kolomoyskyi’s Crimean assets, including a civil airport. According to the pro-Russian Crimean leader Sergey Aksyonov the move was “totally justified due to the fact that he [Kolomoyskyi] is one of the initiators and financiers of the special anti-terrorist operation in the Eastern Ukraine where Russian citizens are being killed”. In response, in January 2016 Kolomoyskyi filed a complaint against Russia at the Permanent Court of Arbitration.
The Russians maintained that the intergovernmental court has no jurisdiction over the matter and refused to participate in proceedings. They responded with their own charges against Kolomoyskyi, accusing him, in his support for Ukrainian resistance to Russian-backed separatists in the Dontesk and Luhansk, of “organizing the killing of civilians”. Russia asked for Kolomoyskyi to be put on Interpol’s wanted list. On 2 July 2014 a Russian District Court called for his arrest.
Small point of diplomatic protocol – Crimea was not ‘annexed’ by Russia/Putin. The population voted overwhelmingly, some 83% for reunion with Russia in 2014. Apart from the episode Khrushchev who was himself Ukrainian, gifted the Crimea in 1954.
Annexation – pah!
As a general rule, I agree that a territory such as Crimea, Catalonia, Taiwan, etc should be able to vote itself independent; or to merge with another country if it so chooses. But with regard to whether the 2014 incorporation of Crimea into Russia was an “annexation”, it depends on whether Russia had a hand in the coup and the nazification hoax.
It’s admirable and clever the way the Azov heroes allowed themselves to be tattooed with all sorts of convincing symbols, isn’t it? But then again, the tattoos we all saw could have easily been photoshopped on to their very white skin by the Russian hackers.
Anyway, Azov is just “good ole boys” and they will always find a home in the US of As. Why not an operation Paperclip 2022? They may not be scientists but I bet they can help out around the country in all the undermanned police departments. Millions saved on training!
I’ve posted a comment about tattoos; here:
The comment you’ve replied to is not about tattoos. If want to discuss tattoos, please reply to the appropriate comment.
Anyone notice Russian businesses are already making a killing on contracts to “rebuild” Mariupol?
What does that remind you of?
I mean, whatever else is going on, this would be a prime opportunity to shell a bunch of clapped out Soviet era housing, and collect a fat contract to “build back better”.
Is that why almost all the “devastation” seemed to be happening to old apartment buildings, some of which looked like they had been abandoned for some time?
Mariupol battle 2014 !
Eva Bartlett in Mariupol at the end of April 2022 after the Donbas Militia supported by the RF destroyed most of the NATO proxy Ukrainian regimes Nazi battalions plus Ukrainian marine battalions!
A Chinese graphic aid to the 2 different “Globalisms”:
If you don’t smell the stink of festering bullshit and weasel words here you must have had “covid” 🤣🤣🤣
Don’t know about BRICS but none of the points in the AUKUS etc. column apply. Fake news, I’ll bet …
Don’t worry, MLS folks are going to notice and they’ll come crawling back to their old masters very soon! I hope the masters will be willing to take them back!
Today, June 24, Russia is shelling the Sumy Oblast. When they move into it, there will be only one more Oblast separating them from Kiev Oblast. ( Sumy Oblast is SW of Russia’s city of Kursk.)
Announcement of the merger of Belarusian & Russian armies 2 days ago. Also that there are large number of Russian troops massed in Belarus.
Lithuanian Prime Minister Ingrida Simonyte said on Wednesday that Russian claims of a blockade were false.
She said passenger transit continued uninterrupted, and that the goods affected amounted to only 1% of total Russian freight transit to Kaliningrad.
Good news. Especially for Lithuania.
Hello Kit, it was fantastic to hear you actually speak. I was most surprised that you do not have an American accent! Lovely measured comment that has given me food for thought.
In some ways she was far more acute than Winston, and far less susceptible to Party propaganda. Once when he happened in some connexion to mention the war against Eurasia, she startled him by saying casually that in her opinion the war was not happening. The rocket bombs which fell daily on London were probably fired by the Government of Oceania itself, “just to keep people frightened”. This was an idea that had literally never occurred to him.
She also stirred a sort of envy in him by telling him that during the Two Minutes Hate her great difficulty was to avoid bursting out laughing. But she only questioned the teachings of the Party when they in some way touched upon her own life. Often she was ready to accept the official mythology, simply because the difference between truth and falsehood did not seem important to her.
She believed, for instance, having learnt it at school, that the Party had invented aeroplanes. (In his own schooldays, Winston remembered, in the late fifties, it was only the helicopter that the Party claimed to have invented; a dozen years later, when Julia was at school, it was already claiming the aeroplane; one generation more, and it would be claiming the steam engine.) And when he told her that aeroplanes had been in existence before he was born and long before the Revolution, the fact struck her as totally uninteresting. After all, what did it matter who had invented aeroplanes?
It was rather more of a shock to him when he discovered from some chance remark that she did not remember that Oceania, four years ago, had been at war with Eastasia and at peace with Eurasia. It was true that she regarded the whole war as a sham: but apparently she had not even noticed that the name of the enemy had changed. “I thought we’d always been at war with Eurasia,” she said vaguely.
It frightened him a little. The invention of aeroplanes dated from long before her birth, but the switchover in the war had happened only four years ago, well after she was grown up. He argued with her about it for perhaps a quarter of an hour. In the end he succeeded in forcing her memory back until she did dimly recall that at one time Eastasia and not Eurasia had been the enemy. But the issue still struck her as unimportant. “Who cares?” she said impatiently. “It’s always one bloody war after another, and one knows the news is all lies anyway.”
During the early phases of the War of Donbas, the Ukrainian Armed Forces suffered humiliating defeats and losses in the hands of separatists, supported by Russia. Ukrainian Armed Forces were ill-prepared, ill-equipped, lacking professionalism, morale and fighting spirit.
As a result, a willing civil populace formed militias and paramilitary groups to fight the separatists. These groups later came to be known as ‘Volunteer Battalions’. People with diverse backgrounds created these battalions, linked to various political parties – both leftist and far-right – and sponsored by multiple oligarchs of Ukraine.
On 13 Apr 2014, the Minister of Internal Affairs of Ukraine, Arsen Avakov, issued a ruling sanctioning the set-up of new paramilitary forces of up to 12,000 people. The Azov Battalion was formed on 05 May 2014 at Berdinsk by a white nationalist. This outfit was regulated by the Ministry of Interior of Ukraine and branded as ‘Special Tasks Patrol Police’. Initially, it was funded independently, and one of the leading financiers was a Jewish-Ukrainian billionaire and oligarch, Igor Kolomoyskyi. Many political party members of the ‘Patriot Party’ of Ukraine joined this organization.
On 11 Aug 2014, this organization, backed by the paratroopers of Marinka, defeated pro-Russian fighters, entered the suburbs of Donetsk and encountered Donetsk People’s Republic (DPR) fighters. In Sep 2014, the Azov Battalion was engaged in the Second Battle of Mariupol. In 2016, veterans of this outfit formed a political party called ‘National Corps’.
A key factor in the above transition is that of “professionalism”; and the important questions include:
a) where did it come from?
b) who paid for it?
Much appreciate your recovered excerpts. Especially the excerpt from 1984 which reminds one that Orwell was a novelist foremost, more than a political writer.
The timeline of conversion of the Azov neo-Nazis, from a $5 Billion armed gang of street fighters for the U$ “cookie coup” regime into the official crack Battalion of the Ukrainian Army, is valuable aide memoire.
You could not be more obviously here to sell a specific narrative – viz. “the Ukraine war is TOTALLY REAL”.
But the problem is the mere fact you are put here to do that shows us it’s not real.
No one ever needed to affirm WW2 was real, or Vietnam, or even Iraq and Syria. Just like no one ever needs to affirm the Black Death was real, or the Spanish Flu was real.
I think there was an article by Margaret Ann Alice which made that point. – You only need to affirm a disease is real if it’s not. Because if it’s really real, everyone just knows it and no one needs to be told.
And in the same way you only need to affirm a war is real, if it’s basically just two token “armies” tooling round the Ukie countryside loosing off ancient weaponry, blowing up condemned old buildings assigned for demolition and killing a few unimportant civilians along the way.
I think the key factor here is that Orwell is toying with the idea the war isn’t real. Why are people so reluctant to go there? We know our governments, East and west, will kill people in order to promote a fake pandemic. So why wouldn’t they kill people to promote a fake war?
There’s masses of fakery going on. The whole Zelenksy government and the “nazification” of Ukraine is a huge theatrical production. However, I think there may be other actors on the scene who are messing up the plans for Putin & Co. It might be the weapons industry who see this a live-fire range in which they can test their latest missile, howitzer and drone systems. But there might be something else as well!
Howitzers – Swedish 155mm Archer
The Archer Artillery System, or Archer – FH77BW L52, or Artillerisystem 08 is an international project aimed at developing a next-generation self-propelled gun system for Sweden and Norway. The heart of the system is a fully automated 155 mm/L52 gun howitzer and a M151 Protector remote controlled weapon station mounted on a modified 6×6 chassis of the Volvo A30D, all-terrain articulated hauler. The crew and engine compartment is armoured and the cab is fitted with bullet and fragmentation- resistant windows. Aside from this, the system consists of an ammunition resupply vehicle, a support vehicle, and BONUS submunition  and M982 Excalibur guided projectiles.
Military Today News
Jun 24, 2022
Finally this happened: Ukrainian army will use 24 Sweden 155mm Archer howitzers to destroy Russia.
The M982 Excalibur (previously XM982) is a 155 mm extended range guided artillery shell . . . Excalibur was developed as a longer-ranged alternative to conventional artillery shells, with GPS guidance for improved accuracy. Excalibur has a range of approximately 40 to 57 kilometers (25 to 35 mi) depending on configuration, with a circular error probable (CEP) of 4 m. The extended range is achieved through the use of folding glide fins, which allow the projectile to glide from the top of a ballistic arc towards the target.
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Ukrainians Destroy Russia’s Largest Mortar System Tyulpan (FNN 36)
May 24, 2022
Footage from Rubizhne in Eastern Ukraine shows the targeting and destruction of the 2S4 Tyulpan 240mm Mortar. FNN Host @RonnieFit breaks down some context after the footage.
How would a modern stay-behind army operate?
The above video suggests that they’d be equipped with consumer drones and satellite phones; and the enemy would be allowed to make a gradual advance.
Brzezinski’s Proxy War Playbook
by Patrick Macfarlane
Jun 22, 2022
Zbiegnew Brzezinski (July 2014):
If Ukraine has to be supported so that it does resist, the Ukrainians have to know the West is prepared to help them resist. And there’s no reason to be secretive about it. It would be much better to be open about it and to say to the Ukrainians and to those who may threaten Ukraine that if Ukrainians resist, they will have weapons. And we’ll provide some of those weapons in advance of the very act of invasion. Because in the absence of that, the temptation to invade and to preempt may become overwhelming. But what kind of weapons is important. And in my view, they should be weapons designed particularly to permit the Ukrainians to engage in effective urban warfare of resistance.
It should not be assumed that the C.I.A and the Pentagon are on the same side!
June 25, 2022
Commando Network Coordinates Flow of Weapons in Ukraine, Officials Say
A secretive operation involving U.S. Special Operations forces hints at the scale of the effort to assist Ukraine’s still outgunned military.
WASHINGTON — As Russian troops press ahead with a grinding campaign to seize eastern Ukraine, the nation’s ability to resist the onslaught depends more than ever on help from the United States and its allies — including a stealthy network of commandos and spies rushing to provide weapons, intelligence and training, according to U.S. and European officials.
Much of this work happens outside Ukraine, at bases in Germany, France and Britain, for example. But even as the Biden administration has declared it will not deploy American troops to Ukraine, some C.I.A. personnel have continued to operate in the country secretly, mostly in the capital, Kyiv, directing much of the vast amounts of intelligence the United States is sharing with Ukrainian forces, according to current and former officials.
While the U.S. government does not acknowledge that the C.I.A. is operating in Ukraine or any other country, the presence of the officers is well understood by Russia and other intelligence services around the world.
But the agency’s expertise in training is in counterinsurgency and counterterrorism operations, former intelligence officials say. What Ukrainians need right now is classic military training in how to use rocket artillery, like the High Mobility Artillery Rocket Systems, or HIMARS, and other sophisticated weaponry, said Douglas H. Wise, a former deputy director of the Defense Intelligence Agency and retired senior C.I.A. officer.
“We’re talking about large-scale combat here,” Mr. Wise said. “We’re talking about modern tank-on-tank battles with massive military forces. I can’t imagine the C.I.A. training Ukrainian guys how to fire HIMARS.”
It is not “tank-on-tank”. Rather, HIMARS etc demonstrate that tanks are now obsolete.
High Mobility Artillery Rocket System (HIMARS)
The M142 High Mobility Artillery Rocket System (HIMARS) is a light multiple rocket launcher developed in the late 1990s for the United States Army, mounted on a standard Army M1140 truck frame.
The M142 carries one pod with either six GMLRS rockets, or two PrSM missiles, or one ATACMS missile on the U.S. Army’s new Family of Medium Tactical Vehicles (FMTV) five-ton truck and can launch the entire Multiple Launch Rocket System Family of Munitions (MFOM). M142 ammunition pods are interchangeable with the M270; however, it is only able to carry one pod rather than the standard two for the M270 and its variants.
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Jun 3, 2022
HIMARS can change EVERYTHING in Ukraine (FNN 37)
In a $700 Million aid package to #Ukraine, it was announced that 4 #HIMARS will be provided. HIMARS has the potential to drastically change the battlespace in Ukraine’s favor, but why? We break down a few reasons for you on why, if it’s used correctly, #Russia will have a hard time countering the HIMARS.
When this was first published, I thought it was probably part of the theatrics. But now I think it might be real. The Ukrainians don’t have the tech or the organisation to do this, but the US certainly has. And they can do it from 30+ miles away.
May 13, 2022
Russia lost whole battalion trying to cross river on May 8 after Ukraine discovered plans and shelled them
Putin’s men made a second attempt at crossing the river yesterday to rescue stranded men, Ukraine said
But again their plans were uncovered and bridge was hit by artillery, forcing the survivors to swim to safety
Four-day mission has seen more than 70 vehicles destroyed and two battalions mangled, Ukrainians claim
Caption: Newly-released images of the ambush show dozens of destroyed Russian vehicle littering both banks of the river along with sections of pontoon bridge left floating in the water
I think your first guess was correct. I have seen zero evidence of a highly equipped modern Russian army in Ukraine. I do ‘t think they were ever there and stories like this are about creating the illusion they were/are.
From a military perspective it makes no sense anyhow, like most if the nonsense being put out
I think something changed around early April. So here’s a hypothesis.
How it started:
How it’s going:
And those gruesome tattoos we see are definitely fake. Both the photos and the the tattoos themselves (black henna).
I’ve read that the tatto material was gathered in Ramstein in 2007 at a BMW motorcycle rally by Alexander Petrov.
Really NAZIs don’t tattoo, right you guys?
I’ve posted a comment about tattoos; here:
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RE: “Is there such a thing as a “moral” foreign policy?”
A representative minion has no valid function once the simple rules of commerce have been established. They become overwhelmed by their own boredom and uselessness, so begin the process of making everyone else as hopeless and meaningless as themselves. They do this by manipulating their definitions of human rights. As in: The rights they’ve given up in order to secure their alleged positions of “power”.
Governments have become crowded hallways of meaningless mirror-twats – reflecting tiny personas who have become useless functionaries in the throes of capital commerce…
– Paul Vonharnish –
Re (36:15): Reuters photo of an ordinary Ukrainian but with a swastika “tattoo”
Jun 8, 2022
A local resident inspects a damaged van following a military strike, amid Russia’s attack on Ukraine, at a residential area in Kharkiv, Ukraine June 8, 2022. REUTERS/Ivan Alvarado
I’m not sure if there’s a technical name for it, but I’ll call it “differential propaganda”; and it works on the principle of confirmation bias. Embedded within a given image or story, there are at least two, radically different meanings. People select that meaning to which they are already attached; and they fail to see the other meanings. One of the clearest examples over the last couple of years was the Kenosha psyop; with different factions coming away with irreconcilable, pre-packaged narratives.
I put “tattoo” in scare quotes because we have no way of knowing if it’s real. It could have been inked specifically for the photo or it could have been added later.
Did they discuss the possible creation of a second Israel in Ukraine ? They should have. There is the Khazarian connection. There is the fact that US puppet president Bidet has sent the astounding sum of US$ 40 billion to that country .Other bankster controlled states have also chipped in.
That would be trying to change the world one country at a time. Right now, the level of discussion about Jews, Jewishness, Zionism and the State of Israel needs to concern basic tenets of human behaviour so lacking in all dual-state US traitors, all Zionist-extremists controlling Israel and quite a few more from other nations too.
DANGEROUS WESTERN PROVOCATIONS
–Blockade of Kaliningrad. The blockade is in violation of the Joint Statement of the Russian Federation and the European Union on transit between the Kaliningrad region and the rest of Russia in 2002.
“If in the near future cargo transit between the Kaliningrad region and the rest of the territory of the Russian Federation through Lithuania is not restored in full, then Russia reserves the right to take actions to protect its national interests,” the Ministry of Foreign Affairs said in a statement.
–GERMANY CONSIDERING EXPROPRIATION OF PART OF RUSSIAN PIPELINE
The German Economy Ministry is considering converting parts of the Nord Stream 2 gas pipeline into a connection for a liquefied natural gas terminal on the Baltic Sea coast, magazine Der Spiegel reported on Friday.
The ministry is looking at possibly expropriating the part of the pipeline system located on German territory and cutting it off from the rest of the pipeline, Spiegel added.
Last week, gas flows through the Nord Stream pipeline from Russia to Germany were cut by as much as 60%.
Repaired turbines for the Russian pipeline are currently stuck at a Siemens maintenance facility in Canada, and are not being released due to Ottawa’s sanctions on Russia. Siemens has said Germany and Canada are seeking a solution
Also there is a planned annual 10-day shutdown of Nordstream for maintenance in mid-July.
Germany could be forced to close down entire industrial sectors if there is a nationwide natural gas shortage, Economy Minister Robert Habeck told the newspaper Der Spiegel on Friday.
[Germany’s reserve tanks are more than half-full; however, they need a larger reserve before Winter.]
If you don’t get any gas you can at least own the pipelines. Sounds like a resounding victory for democracy and the free world.
How about opening NordStream2 instead of owning a section of the empty pipeline?
How many Green German Girls does it take to open a gas tap?
” My salad days, / When I was Green in Judgment, Cold in blood / To say as I said then!” — Shakespeare, Cleopatra
Time for a German referendum: ‘We would rather hang Scholz, Habeck and Baerback than die in our millions through lack of Russian gas this winter’.
There’s a lot of repetition on the word “fascism” here but no clear indication of what it means other than it has something exclusively to do with (pause for sinister music) The Tories.
Then there is a pertinent comment:
“I don’t normally quote Trotsky but I do believe he was substantially correct in his definition of Fascism. The term is used far too freely IMO which only leads to confusion as to its real meaning.”
Which would, you think, be the cue for some actual discussion on definitions. Instead our bold tax man says:
“I don’t rely on Trotsky for anything, including on this”
Pedantic point: Richard seems so anxious to dodge the issue that he doesn’t even give himself time to insert a full stop.
Oh I’ve seen this so many times before – and especially from “The Left”. A lot of noise but no expansion, no explanation, no outlines.
Why – you’d almost think they were anxious to avoid all issues. You’d almost think they were … feeling guilty!
Politicians are members of a political party acting as representatives of the people in the government.
Politicians have taken the power of the people to themselves. They are thieves.
They form the government of the state. The state is an organization that has taken the power of society. The state is not society. Society is formed of all people. Societies exist as long as there are people. But the state is made up. It is a man-made organization that is at war against society. The state is always preparing for war, engaging in war, and forcing people to war.
When politicians speak of society or the people, they actually speak of the state and themselves. They are liars.
They are not honest people. They are not clever either. What they are is a bunch of narcissists taking their orders from the psychopathic mass murderers. ”The leaders of the world” like Hitler, Stalin, Mao et al, all politicians and state leaders, the most successful mass murderers in history.
So politicians, states and governments all act in unison against society, because they are anti-social thieves and murderers.
That is the evil state of the world.
great job, human, well said.
oh yeah, I think the reason in large measure has to do with a State looks at things with a so-called long-term perspective as opposed to a human, short-term perspective. These are often at odds and give rise to the idea of a human being subservient to the State/Sovereign, almost no different from a member of a herd.
I think another way of saying this is that the State outlives the lives of us humans, so of course its interests (if it has any at all) are going to be odds with its people.
Many ‘developed nations’ centralised far more decision-making than many might think optimum, which is how ‘States’ were created.
If you look at how the Quakers organise themselves, they basically do most things locally, but send a representative once a month to a one-day meeting concerning matters of national concern. It takes place usually on a Saturday. More strategic matters are dealt with at a congregation termed ‘Yearly Meeting’, which is about the length of a school half term.
These folks tend to be 30 years ahead of the mainstream, so knowledge and planning can develop slowly and steadily, rather than in a constant state of chaos, mayhem and fraud.
What warfare looks like in the West these days:
Let me know when they’re being thrown out of virtual incubators or bayonetted by metaverse Hun.
The PARA$$$$$$ITE$$$$$$ play while the people pray.
The PARA$$$$$$ITE$$$$$$ lie while the people die.
History of the world, 101.
I have a question for the two interlocuters. Politics, particularly geo-politics, is predicated on the balance of power. In short you don’t always get everything and exactly what you want and moreover, strange and often unsavoury alliances are often formed, if often only temporarily.
The position of off-guardian seems to eschew any notion that geopolitics should not be other than squeaky clean. Sorry chaps that’s not the world we live in. NATO’s encirclement of Russia is a case in point. What was Russia supposed to do in this situation? Surrender! What would Off-Guardian do in this situation? I think we know the answer. Like all purists the answer would essentially consist of not taking a position – at least a realistic position – on the issue. LIke Voltaire they would no doubt do a spot of gardening instead of being in the dirty business of geopolitics.
Geopolitics is, unfortunately, a dirty and indeed often filthy business. Let me give you another example. The Nazi invasion of the USSR in 1941, pitted one totalitarian regime, Stalin’s USSR, against another Hitler’s Nazi Germany. Well a match made in Hell! And what west did the Western alliance the United States and the British Empire do? Threw their whole weight behind the USSR and supported the heroic Red Army. Yes, the West democracies actually lined up with Joseph Stalin, and thank goodness they did. This is Geopolitics 101.
Yes, but they are all in it together, yes? That is however, until they all fall out together! The period of ‘all in it together’ was a period before WW1 when all of Europe’s royal families and heads of state hobnobbed and inter-married – even our own lovely Queen Victoria who married a German aristocrat Prince Albert.
Yes it was all going swimmingly with the Windsors, Hohenzollerns, Romanov’s Habsburgs, Ottomans, all joining the party which they were all in it together – until of course they weren’t. 1914 stopped all that.
Sorry to be such a cynic. But that’s the way the world is.
“Threw their whole weight behind the USSR and supported the heroic Red Army. Yes, the West democracies actually lined up with Joseph Stalin, and thank goodness they did.”
The explanation I’ve read is that the Allies didn’t quite throw their support behind the USSR, but conquered and occupied as much of Europe, and perhaps the rest of the world, as possible to prevent the Russkies from doing that when it became obvious that they’d kick the Germans’ asses.
The fact that the West and Russia went into the Cold War pretty much immediately after WWII and that not much of an effort has been made after the collapse of the Iron Curtain to establish a truly cooperative relationship with Russia kinda supports that.
Jacques, also the West waited as long as possible to throw their support behind the USSR. Histories written at the time often conclude that it was the intention of TPTB that Germany should greatly weaken the USSR.
Churchill was not re-elected Prime Minister– on the contrary his career was pretty much ended. Why? Because TPTB were not pleased w the outcome of the war; Russia was to be decimated.
That sounds quite plausible.
The problem with this, however, is that it contradicts the assertion that WWII and the enmity between the West and the USSR were all contrived by the TPTB, for the TPTB could have hardly been pissed off at Churchill for fucking up because, presumably, it was all staged anyway and all under control of the TPTB.
I’m afraid that the involvement of TPTB on both sides of whatever dichotomy or conflict there might be is more a case of hedging their bets or rigging the game as opposed to outright running it.
Brits & US were behind the War– not Russia.
The Atlantic allies conquered Germany with land forces and obliteration of the German cities by the British and American air forces. The parts of Europe that were conquered were France, the low countries, Italy and western Germany. The Soviet Union conquered practically all of Eastern Europe apart from Yugoslavia. The Atlantic powers also pursued their war aims in the Pacific and Japan whilst the British 14th Army, the ANZAC contingent and Indian troops were involved in fighting in Burma, key battles of Imphal and Kohima.
My own family members saw service in the Army, Royal Navy, and most dangerous of all, the Merchant Navy. A particularly perilous run was the transport of Russian war materiel. This was carried from British ports on the North Sea, up past Norway, being bombed and torpedoed all the way, round the top and down into the Soviet naval base at Murmansk. The return trip was not any better.
I don’t understand your question
I was in Donetsk 2006-2012, – the city – an iron steel and coal town, a bit like Sheffield or Nottingham in England. I have kept in touch with friends ever since. My friend Dmitry was talking to me on Skype yesterday. He told me Donetsk he has been under Ukrainian Army fire every day now. Even the centre of the town is under Ukie bombardment. People in the West have no idea what’s going on.
Does your friend Dmitry have a cell phone, or like everyone else in Donbass has he suddenly become incapable of using it to take video since Feb 2022?
Both sides currently claiming the other side is shelling Donetsk non-stop. Evidence it’s happening – close to zero. Especially bearing in mind Donetsk was already being regularly shelled before the alleged “special, operation” even started.
Where’s the evidence this is now some major war and not just more of the same?
Nope it never happened – All Russian Propaganda – In fact Putin and the Pope were both lying in their teeth. It was a fake, don’t you understand it was all a ‘fake’ bombardment; the Ukie Army were just playing cards whilst that sat in their trenches. In fact the Don Bass militias were shelling themselves to give the heroic Ukrainian forces a bad name. Come to think of it the Donetsk Peoples’ Republics Lugansk and Donetsk have probably been shelling themselves since 2014.
Okay I’m a little bit over the top here. But as the British playwright Harold Pinter once described as US-CIA mass murder campaign in a benighted Latin American state.
”It never happened. Nothing ever happened. Even while it was happening it wasn’t happening. It didn’t matter. It was of no interest. The crimes of the United States have been systematic, constant, vicious, remorseless, but very few people have actually talked about them. You have to hand it to America. It has exercised a quite clinical manipulation of power worldwide while masquerading as a force for universal good. It’s a brilliant, even witty, highly successful act of hypnosis.”
Not at all over the top, Don. MLS is an asset. He’s working for Klaus Schlob. He owns nothing but is hoping his insistence on “evidence” will at least provide him with a 99 year lease.
Where’s the evidence this is now some major war and not just more of the same?
When you hear the bursting of nearby shells quite near that you might get there is something inkling is going on. It is battle if you are in the middle of it. That’s your evidence.
And BTW this shelling has been going on – I should say off and on – since 2014.
How do you take a video of the Ukie artillery when it is at its maximum range – out of sight out of mind – until one of those shells explodes next to you.
Oh, I see a war has to be ‘major’ war before it is characterised as war. Perhaps you would prefer ‘conflict’
What the hell are you talking about? YES, this is supposed to be a MAJOR war between the Russian Federation & a proxy NATO army.
And yet somehow it looks exactly the same as the low level campaign we have witnessed for the past EIGHT years!
Do you really have no trouble believing this ridiculous narrative?
Where is the massively armed and highly trained Russian army?
I asked you last time to show me footage. And you couldn’t. You just shared pics of the DPR using Soviet era hardware. Or pics of shelled buildings (no one is claiming there are no shelled buildings, so don’t bother).
So, where are the Russians?
Why can middle aged DPR guys in old tanks be filmed but the Russians can’t?
And how can it POSSIBLY be that after FIVE MONTHS of alleged invasion Russia hasn’t even disabled Ukraine’s ability to shell Donetsk?
The war narrative is threadbare bullshit that gets more threadbare and more ridiculous with every passing day.
I think the invasion barely happened. I think the “war” is a token exercise with just enough collateral damage to convince the gullible and provide a distraction for the more idiotic indy media and an excuse for inflation and shortages.
I think it’s deliberately designed to convince people things have gone back to normal after covid so we all forget the lockstep of East and West and go back to sleep, and I think the likes of Bartlett and 21C Wire and Duran are unwitting fifth columnists in selling this lie.
The Guardian was beefing Beeley and Bartlett up the other day as “Russian agents” to help sell this story of opposition. They know it will make some of their audience love B&B even more. This is the plan! Division. Fake binaries as OG says. I get the feeling that questioning the reality of the war and East-West divide is the only truly radical, independent thing to do right now and anyone not doing that is just being a useful idiot.
you most certainly read western propoganda and therefore haven’t a clue of the true situation. Russia is most certainly present and is well on its way to controlling Ukraine.
I love how when I claim there are no sides someone accuses me of being on the “other” side from them. You’re so invested in the good cop bad cop formula you just literally can’t comprehend anything that challenges it.
Hey MLS! I also own nothing but would love to lock in on some long-term lease provided by Klausie and his crew. Do you get you credit points based on the length of the post or the tone, or the shit your stir up? Or maybe a combination of all the above?
Mr. Duck, Yes, the Russian and the Spanish-language press are reporting Donetsk centre of town bombing for the last few days. W the Ukrainians so short of war materiel, it seems idiotic to spend it on civilian deaths. I’m unclear where the bombardment is originated that it cannot be neutralized by RF or Donbass militia.
Perhaps it comes from the new longer range missiles or rockets or whatever the West has recently sent?
Ask your friend out of interest, if there is a perception of vetted former mercenaries from UN monitored Syrian refugee camps irrespective of their nationality.
“Are Russia and China the saviours…?”
Only Christ is the Saviour. But mark this:
“Putin told the Russian Oligarchs to stop intervening in politics. Some didn’t listen, so Chodorkovsky was thrown into jail. Putin is no friend of Oligarchs. Chinese Oligarchs likewise don’t have massive influence over Political Leaders like in the West; and Jack Ma was cut down to size.
Russia and China try to help productive companies, but they don’t tolerate the kind of “revolving door” bribery the Western Oligarchs use routinely.
Third point: Putin is no globalist, and Xi is no globalist. They are Leaders who try to improve their countries and to better the life of their people. Laudable ambition in a statesman, which which both of them achieved over the last 10-20 years.”
Putin & Xi openly advocated for all the major globalist doctrines in their joint statement in Feb. Their respective governments continue to implement said globalist doctrines. So, how do you conclude they are not globalists?
“Putin is no globalist, and Xi is no globalist”
Inane, idiotic discussion.
How do you define “globalist”? It can mean a 1000+1 things. And whatever it means, Putain can be part of it to an extent, be exploiting it, doing this, that, the other thing.
What difference does it make if Putain is a globalist, whatever the fuck it means?
It’s obvious that the whole world is “globalist” in the sense that everybody is trying to gain as great share of, say, the global market, power, influence as possible. Everybody is using the same tools to subjugate the populace, to make them obedient units.
What does it mean for the people? Not easy to answer.
On the one hand, localism appears to be the logical conclusion. Pushing in the other direction. On the other hand, for that to work, it would have to be a universal thing because your small community stands no chance in global competition. Still, it’s probably the stance one should assume.
As to Russia being the savior, I don’t think so. There is no country better than any other right now.
I’m not here to educate you on what globalism means. But please don’t use your ignorance of the term as a weapon.
Give me a break.
Globalism is a rubbery nondescript word that can take on any meaning some manipulator wishes. Like capitalism, socialism, and just about any other -ism.
A debate about whether somebody is a globalist is either a strawman/red herring or the reflection of inability to tackle real issues, stuff that really matters.
You can argue whether this or that guy is a globalist until the cows come home and resolve absolutely nothing.
If you want an analysis of the global situation, watch this.
So you’re running interference today. Trying to snow the subject under with quibbling.
Globalism involves the creation of supranational governing bodies to control policy. Advocates of globalism support the WHO and the UN, Agenda 2030, climate legislation and pandemic legislation, all of which are designed to achieve the goal of supranational “global” governance. Anyone who supports these things is a globalist. Xi and Putin are globalists.
Feel free to blow smoke over these simple facts to your hearts content.
Interference, as you call it, is always good. At least you won’t be regurgitating the same this and that over and over, and will consider other viewpoints. You should always welcome a person who opposes what you say and be wary of a guy who’s kissing up to you.
You’re under the impression that Putain, Xi, Bidet, Turdo, and Leyno are together trying to create a supranational government? Who will be the president?
Or is it that they’re trying to gain as favorable position in the global context, with as much power to their advantage as possible?
Was never sure about you before, gave you the benefit of the doubt. But this lamentable attempt to deliberately muddy up and discredit the reality of globalism has you pegged as an agent.
Let me inform you that you’re a fucking idiot.
You’re just as gullible and given the groupthink as the desperate covidian sheeple you despise so much.
Look at yourself! It’s not only that you oppose any viewpoint that doesn’t fully coincide with your narrow reading of reality, you vehemently oppose it and call the proponent – in this case me – of an alternative view a fucking agent.
You really pitiful, just as dogmatic and therefore easily manipulated as the next guy.
There is no fucking law requiring you to read anything I write, so skip past it. And don’t call me an agent you piece of shit!
You’re an agent.
You outed yourself. The more you bluster the more obvious it gets. Go get a different handle and try again.
You’re an agent.
Globalism means the desire to create a woldwide technat. It seeks the abolition of national sovereignty and government through the scientific method (i.e. obsessive data collection). Central features are massive depopulation, panopticon suveillance, corporatism and transhumanism. That would seem enough of a definition to be going on with.
Putin and Xi are fully signed up to globalist bodies and their joint declaration wanted a globalism that didn’t exempt the Anglo-American elite (a clever play on those who long to see the likes of Bush and Blair brought to justice – but it’s a trap). China has had a draconian depopulation programme for decades and Putin cares so much about his own people he’s set up no VAERS system. China just engaged in an insane lockdown regime and Putin solidified his power through false flag “Chechen terror”. Xi’s background is classic technocracy, an engineer (like Schwab), and Putin is of course ex-KGB.This is even assuming both men are the true rulers of their countries – there have been some versions of ‘Putin’ on public display that are hard to explain by conventional analysis. There are some that have been also extremely dubious (like when he kissed a boy’s nipple).
Both countries need to be built up as credible enemies so the Oceania-Eurasia-Eastasia model of control works. Russia under Yeltsin-style rule wouldn’t frighten anyone. The taking down of oligarchs proves nothing, it’s like how the taking down of drug lords didn’t mean the war on drugs was real – the drugs kept flowing, the dethroned drug lords simply hadn’t been playing for the right team (see the end of ‘Sicario’).
The difficult power to fold into a global order was always going to be the USA. As the most powerful nation it has most to lose plus its geo-politics make it difficult to feel threatened and there’s still a strong patriotic sense. Remember it was the USA that scuppered the first attempt at globalism, the League of Nations. What we’ve been seeing for the last half century is an attempt to weaken the US so unilateralism becomes discredited.
You’re a funny man, you know?
Why don’t you take a step back to see things from a distance, in a broader historical context, and tax your wit to a greater extent than usual.
How the fuck can you oppose globalism – generally speaking, an effort to gain global control – and be proponent of religion, as per your above rant, at the same time?
The Catholic Church is the epitome of globalism. It’s been going on for thousands of years. A single ideology imposed on people worldwide, mostly against their will. Which is obviously not your case, you have been properly brainwashed and evidently can’t fathom an existence other than how it’s painted by the Church.
As somebody wrote on the other day, the biblical bullshit has lost its charm and too many people can see through it. So, the time is for something else. Like a fucking virus.
The rest just kinda punctuates the underlying reality and efforts to try to usurp more and leave others with less. In the present historical period, the most pressing issue is probably a population overshoot that’s put humankind on a collision course due to the upcoming scarcity of energy.
As to the savant semantic debate about what globalism means, I don’t really give a fuck. The essence is what matters and how you deal with it.
Continuing internetting others as sheep won’t garnish much support for your Global ideals will it., not that I’d know what your inner beliefs are or if you have any, no offense intended, it’s just a term used by racist fascists over the last 120+ years if you were involved in the same learning expression.
Global to me doesn’t mean anything other Global Corporations employing hundreds of millions of men and women.
I have just read a report of an Italian journalist who recently returned from Russia and he describes daily life being perfectly normal, lots of tourists, restaurants and shops full, overall conditions are normal not like the bleak future we face in Europe. It is a much healthier society where Christian ethics are .practiced and this absurd woke world doesn’t exist.. The Russian people, rightly so, do not admire or envy anything of the west.
China, instead of advocating Globalist policies of Socialism for the rich and austerity for the rest, has raised the standard of living of the masses. Instead of advocating Globalist policies of Divide and Rule, it has built a Global Connect Belt and Road Initiative. Instead of Global Hegemony it proposes a Multi Polar World. Instead of attacking small countries and turning them into colonies of a Global Empire (We won, You lost), it helps former colonies to develope their infrastructure in a Win-Win policy. Instead of World Economic Forum emphasis or private banks and private profit as Bottom Dollar Line, China has Public Nationalized bank with public profit as Bottom Line — preferably in goods, housing and amenities rather than money. This young century has seen dozens of Globalist Resource Wars; against Serbia, Somalia, Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Yemen, Sudan, Libya, Yemen and Ukraine (to name just a few). When was the last time China attacked another country?
You are conflating globalism with imperialism. They are not the same. Globalism is designed to replace imperialism while maintaining the same power structure and decreasing the liberty and freedom of the individual. Russia and China are both fully signed up to globalism.
That’s factual incorrect countries give up economic Soverginty control to Asia China Bank, and World Bank. The Debt is Given over to the People of That and other Countries.
You more often Invest in IT!
How Long is it Since A Person invested in other than the Best interests of Their Own Country along with other National Countries in Partnership.
Without Private Investing Meaning yourself?
Fuck me, even I know that.
Frankly is that you want, for yourself and family. Tolalatranian Dictates,
Go, Good Luck!
“”Third point: Putin is no globalist,” Why then is he still supporting the Globalist vaccine agenda?
I can guess an honest reason for Putin to develope a vaccine industry; but I do not know for sure so will not proffer this reason at present. I certainly do *not support his present Big Pharma associates, nor do I support insufficiently tested injection of Sputnik with “spike” RNA; have gone on record that “this is a very slippery slope for Putin to be putin’ his foot on”.
Here is what F.W. Engdahl had to say about Putin’s relationship with the Rothschilds, effectively one of the most powerful players in the City of London/ Wall Street/ Globalists, and his point man in the Russian Federation.
Moreover, at the time of his arrest Khodorkovsky was in the process of negotiating via his Carlyle friend George H.W. Bush, father of the then-President George W. Bush, the sale of 40% of Yukos to either Condi Rice’s former company, Chevron or ExxonMobil in a move that would have dealt a crippling blow to the one asset left Russia and Putin to use for the rebuilding of the wrecked Russian economy: oil and export via state-owned pipelines to the West for dollars. During the ensuing Russian state prosecution of Yukos, it came to light that Khodorkovsky had also secretly made a contract with London’s Lord Rothschild not merely to support Russian culture via the Open Russia Foundation of Khodorkovsky. In the event of his possible arrest (Khodorkovsky evidently knew he was playing a high-risk game trying to create a coup against Putin) the 40% share of his Yukos stocks would pass into the hands of Lord Rothschild.
Thanks, BrianB, for revealing the sordid details. I have no head for detail so, like a simple dog, I test by smell. This detail from your post backs up my my sense at the time, that Russian Oligarchs gave off a really bad smell:
“Khodorkovsky had also secretly made a contract with City of London’s Lord Rothschild to support Russian culture via the Open Russia Foundation of Khodorkovsky.”
Obviously modelled on the Rothschild attempt to support Western culture via the Open Society Foundation of Soros.
Strong stench of the Open Drains Foundation.
Give me a break with fucking Jesus being the Savior.
The only person who can save you is your own self. Wrap your head around it and stop looking for whisperers to tell you what the fuck to do it or expect that somebody will do something for you.
David Wemhoff’s book on John Courtney Murray clearly proves beyond any reasonable doubt that the CIA engaged in doctrinal warfare against the Catholic Church in the 1960s.
This shows: 1) Religion matters 2) The Catholic Church (or parts of it) must have been doing something right. Have you considered that your repeated, vitriolic hostility to religion might have been programmed into you? You might also consider that the religious have been some of the most reliable opponents of vaccination.
BTW constant swearing doesn’t make you sound impassioned or whatever you think it does, it makes you sound like someone whose buttons have been pushed.
Have you considered that you’ve been programmed by religious education? By preposterous biblical claims that makes you see the world through the prism of what some guy wrote in some book?
Your religion is nothing but a previous incarnation of covidism.
Are there some positive aspects to religion? Maybe, probably. Are there some honest, well-meaning religious people? Sure. Does that make it right that some religion – I presume Christian – should be the modus operandi for humankind. Fuck, no.
I consider it your prerogative, however, to have faith in whatever you wish. Including the fucking snake. Nonetheless, I’d kindly ask you to apply the instruction “for man to have dominion over the world” to your own fucking backyard only.
What’s swearing? Some words your priest has prohibited you from using lest you offend some god or something? What’s wrong with availing oneself of all the words the lexis has to offer? See how religion has fucked you up? You’re even afraid to use words, FFS!
Edwige, good for you!
What’s good for him? Seeing the world through the prism of religious indoctrination? You consider that good? You consider irrational belief to be a good thing?
I guess all of us have some preferences, likes, dislikes, beliefs, non-beliefs, whatever, that we harbor and as long as we’re aware that they’re irrational, they don’t matter that much. Nobody’s perfect.
But having one’s view of the world based on belief in some shit written in some book and regarding everything through the prism of such shit is a guarantee of having one’s perception of reality skewed and controlled by whoever wrote or interprets whatever’s in the book.
Not good for him. Not good.
Nick M, does it matter whether Putin & Xi want a tyranny by their nation-state or a one-world tyranny? Both have policies of population reduction, mandatory covid vaxxes, digital money (Russia), social credit system (China).
Xi has presented papers at Davos; he attended Event 201, the rehearsal for Covid. As the price for Western capital and technology China instituted the one-child policy. China is entirely ruled by it’s “Five Heavenly Families.” They control much of the immense wealth of corporations (of what’s not controlled by the West).
China is so much on the same page that the West has given them military technology so as to have a credible, make-believe enemy. The link covers some of the military tech.
+1 for a reasoned reply. You touch deep misgivings about China, as BigB used to do before he left. I still miss his warnings on EROI and Off-Shoring.
The deepest misgivings that I share with you is, the “Five Heavenly Families.” Nepotism, the ancient family curse of The Republic. In my student days at Imperial College an impassioned student from a Third World Country pleaded in favour of JFK’s decision to appoint brother Bobby: “If you were president, wouldn’t you would give a job to your brother? Your own brother!”.
To which the Canadian student replied: “My brother wouldn’t apply”.
You are right, nepotism is one of the signs of 3rdWorld country. Today the EU$A is rife with nepotism, hence the incompetence of our ruling classes — including the ruling financial dynasties. My greatest fear for China and Russia is that, as the impact of the Great Leaders dies away, these countries will yield to natural family feeling and fill posts with nephews and nieces.
Population control: again I have split views. My best friend in England is a Roman Catholic, and I agree with him that the world is not over populated with humans — nor with any other form of life. Life is the rarest and most precious thing in the Universe, and the more of it the better. On the other hand, I disagree with Church teaching against contraception; it is a matter for individual couples to decide. And yet again, I approved of China’s temporary one-child policy which gave that vast country a breathing space to develope infrastructure. Right now, both China and Russia are short of people to do all the work that is needed to develope their vast countries; and Canada is just laughably under populated. Africa is a difficult case with multiple problems, very few of which can be attributed to over-population or “too many children”.
Covid-19. China is a special case: The Chinese authorities were well aware that Dr.Fauci’s Frankenstein Virus Lab in Wuhan was developing a bio-weapon. They were ready to roll out their fully developed Anti-bio Defense Units; the only country to escape the “economic” devastation that was brought about by the Lab Leak. Even though Covid-19 turned out to be a failed bioweapon, no more deadly than our normal annual pandemics of Corona flu, its economic impact was huge because no other country was as prepared — not even Russia.
Technocratic Tyranny via the Digital Yuan: Where is BigB when we need him?
I’m afraid that your concept of the size of population is flawed.
You consider the size of population in regard to the size of land; I’ll disregard your allusion to the preciousness of life in the Universe and the lunatic conclusion that there should be more of it.
It’s not the size of land, the space that matters. It’s the amount of energy available to extract and process resources necessary for whatever land there is to sustain life.
The population growth of the past decades or centuries has been driven by the discovery of fossil fuels, which are used in mechanized production as well as fertilizer. Plus other applications.
Disregarding the wishful-thinking abiotic theory, there is a LIMITED quantity of fossil fuels (they are nothing but solar energy accumulated over millennia). They’ll run out. Even if that weren’t the case, and fossil fuels were somehow replenishing themselves on an ongoing basis, there still would be a certain limit to the amount thereof that could be extracted on a sustainable basis. Such an amount would correspond to the needs of a certain population size. The same applies in case that fossil fuels run out and life on Earth, including humans, is left with whatever other energy sources there are, which would mostly be solar power, nuclear power (also finite, but over much longer period), perhaps tide. There is nothing else. Maybe some power could be extracted from the Earth’s core. At present, however, using any other source of energy other than fossil fuels REQUIRES the use of fossil fuels – all machinery basically runs on fossil fuels.
Back to the population size. Living beings must be able to produce enough fucking food to survive. Today, the population size is surviving only thanks to fossil fuels. If it weren’t available, people would simply not have enough energy to produce food for themselves. Even if they went back to agriculture. It’s not about the size of land – it’s about energy. Are you starting to get it?
Evidently, the so-called powers that be have figured this out and what’s transpiring before our very eyes is their response to the predicament humankind has found itself in. Deep down, the problems the world is facing are of thermodynamic/physical nature. There IS a real problem (maybe it’s not acute at this point, but it might be, and it sure will be at some point in the future).
So, before you proclaim idiotic wisdoms about “the more of precious life the better”, consider how you’re gonna feed your offspring.
I do acknowledge that talking about population size is a sensitive subject, but it’s very legitimate to do so – notwithstanding the fact that the PTB might have nefarious intentions in that regard – and we shouldn’t stick our heads in the fucking sand.
Peak Oil is a hoax. I’ve posted several times here the many mega-finds of hydrocarbons. See Wm Engdahl’s “Oil, Where Is Thy Peak?” if you'[re interested in a partial listing. One or two of these finds comprises an amount of oil equivalent to all humanity has used in the past. Gas is almost as plentiful.
Water isn’t scarce either. I’ve posted on Primary Water. Both water and hydrocarbons are abiotic. If interested see Primary Water Institute. Many wells have been dug according to this science.
Population is falling. Empty Planet: Preparing for the Global Population Decline VIDEO
UN says 2100 will see 11 Billion; they’re wrong.
36% of pop is in China & India. China’s birthrate is only 1.5/woman. India 2.1 that’s replacement.
Because populations everywhere becoming more urban, people want fewer kids, they’re a cost, not helpers on the farm.
Also, women are more autonomous. Mid-century will take us to 8-9B, then will decline.
I don’t know what you mean by peak oil being hoax.
The question is as follows. 1) Are reserves of fossil fuels finite? 2) If they get replenished as per the abiotic theory, at what rate?
Re: 1) – What happens when they run out or become economically unfeasible to extract? Where will humankind get energy? Solar? How much solar energy can be captured in real time? What population size would such an amount be able to sustain?
Re: 2) – If reserves of oil/gas get replenished, presumably thanks to energy emanating from the Earth’s core in combination with solar energy, at what rate does it happen? In other words, how much energy can be sustainably extracted on an ongoing basis? And once again, what population size does that correspond to?
Invoking water is idiotic. Water circulates within our finite world in a closed cycle. None of it disappears, only gets transformed from one state to another. There might be some changes and fluctuations in how it circulates, but it stays here.
Fuels are completely different. Once you burn something, it’s gone. You could argue that the energy thus produced is not lost either, at least not completely, but it certainly does not circulate the same way as water does. The process of burning something, it turning into ashes, energy being released, and the re-creation of that something is way, way more complicated than water evaporating, turning into clouds, raining back down, and so on.
Whether or not population is declining – the premises you mention might or might not materialize – the above still applies. The issue is that people must have enough extractable energy at their disposal to survive. Presumably, if the population declines below a certain threshold, the same problem would arise even if there was enough energy. Humankind would be unable to extract it and put it into use.
Frankly, it beats me why people are so scare to discuss that and why any mention of sustainable population size is so abruptly dismissed.
Do you have a family, kids? Did you plan how many of them you’d have in regard to your means, your ability to feed them, provide for them? I’d imagine. I’d imagine that most people, at least judicious people, don’t just copulate away and produce as many children as they’re able to ejaculate/ovulate, but approach this issue rationally. Why is it such a problem on a societal scale?
I get it – it reeks of government control and, inherently, government abuse. Fine. But that’s the case with everything. No reason not to discuss this and make people aware of it.
Many who want more children cannot reproduce. Factors include these that come with “development”: (a) job demands (b) cost of child rearing (c) infertility, especially male, due to many prevalent poisons. Hormone disruptors are effective at vanishingly small concentrations: parts per trillion.
Thanks for the reply– interesting.. I can’t go along w the forced abortions/contraception in China though.
“What is the Future of the East-West Divide?”
Same as the Past, same as the Present:
“East is East and West is West
And never the twain shall meet” — Kipling
“A mess of Russians” — Shakespeare, Loves Labours Lost
West begins the banning and burning of Russian books.
‘Why are Most People Cowards ? Obedience and the Rise of Authoritarianism.’ (12.06). The Academy of Ideas.
Our future king and queen. It really is (bad) theatre.
Sign of utter ignorance is to mock the Royal Standard that gave governance to manage yourself.
I can manage myself thanks.
A friend is having a terrible experience at Addenbrooke’s Hospital in Cambridge. Fractured femur, newly diagnosed with multiple cancers, and thrown into isolation as one patient tested positive for ‘covid’. This has happened this week. So, struggling with shattering diagnosis, and cut off from family and friends. This is happening now.
Sorry to read that Bretty.
I hope he/she finds some peace.
You cannot be cut off from family and friends in the UK it is completely illegal.
If that’s what you and your friends believe they are either, easily led or badly mistaken.
Wow! Tell that to the families of the many victims of enforced isolation, denial of care, DNR and midzolam.
Bretty, my deepest sympathy having gone through similar experiences of having one’s nearest and dearest “cut off from family and friends”. My sister died of cancer in a hospice with most of the family forbidden to visit. A couple of years ago I posted on OffG that “For the first time in my long life I woke up in terror”. At that time my wife was in an old age home, with inmateds cross-infecting one another and being whisked away for sneezing, all without being seen by friends nor by family, and some never to return.
UKRAINE FATIGUE– Americans prefer lower cost of living to being Ukraine fans.
SUPREME COURT EXTENDS GUN RIGHTS. US Supreme Court overturned NY law that restricted the right to carry arms in public and required that a particular necessity be demonstrated to carry a pistol. Six votes to three.
In 2008 the judges had supported the national right to have a weapon at home for reasons of self-defense.
-RUSSIAN & BELARUSIAN ARMIES MERGE.
-EU TO REVIEW KALININGRAD BLOCKADE
[Are these 2 events connected?]
Isn’t the supreme court ruling good news.?
Yep, I think so.
but the questions are not answerable as they are binaries depending on which side your mind places you on..
clearly the nation state system was assembled to provide the Oligarchs with total control over the populations contained with each of them. 8 billion on the earth, everyone confined with one of the 256 nation states.. The nation states are crucibles which allow the oligarch to control the total information environment from birth to death. That environment contains the information that provides every experience each of the governed persons has during his or her life time. So the product of each crucible is different between crucibles and nearly the same within the crucibles.
So the question is do the politicians of one nation state have the right to exercise any kind of control in the space of any of the other crucibles.. My answer not no, but hell no..
But those who form corporations for profit or for hate or for some other reason are greedy, they cannot be content staying within the space allotted to them. The real question is
exercising influence or control outside of one’s own nation state a crime against humanity.
Shame you can’t listen to it. The questions would probably be best prefaced with a statement, that acknowledges a lockstep march towards globalism by both east and west, and a question, to what purpose then do these headline issues serve to guide the globalism narrative?
The thing is, the people to whom the power is handed down over the generations are not necessarily as smart as they like to think they are. Look at the royal family, for example…
The environment of which you speak most certainly does not contain “the information that provides every experience each of the governed persons has during their lifetime”, because human experience is not subject to the whims of other humans, nor is it provided by ‘information’.
Information can be found in books, and on the internet, but it just sits there and doesn’t provide ‘experience’ at all. It’s not until the information is actively digested by an actual person that experience can result, and that experience is fashioned more by the person’s own character than by the intentions of some not-very-bright manipulator.
“You can lead a horse to water”… or, you can put a person in an environment which you may think conducive to certain reflexes, but your thought processes and your conclusions are subject to the same variety of personal influences as his, and in fact he has the same potential to brainwash you as you have to brainwash him.
It all boils down to a battle of wills – aided on one side, of course, by enough money to buy a small universe – but it really is no more remarkable than that.
Santa Klaus and the rest of them would still be psychotic fools even if they were poverty-stricken. Their money provides no cure for their derangement.
“It all boils down to a battle of wills”
“Make perfect your will” — TS Eliot.
Since so much info is available so easily, the strategy is to undermine its value/relevance with “bread and circuses”.