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Kit Knightly on Right Now with Gareth Icke tonight

OffG’s editor will be appearing on today’s episode of Right Now with Gareth Icke tonight (July 15th) at 7pm.

Kit and Gareth discuss who will succeed Boris (and if it matters), how Covid lead to war in Ukraine and the agenda behind the recent the “polio outbreak”.

Other guests include James Delingpole, Dr Sam Bailey, Lewis Brackpool and Gavin Roberts.

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William Sabre
William Sabre
Jul 17, 2022 11:15 AM

The Mainstream narrative is designed to invert the truth; to corrupt calmness of working peoples lives into just the right amount of terror; so they can buy stuff and eat stuff to feel better and twist their security into an insecurity, just enough; so they rely on superficiality for comfort; in entertainment and their relations. The adrenaline, cortisol and dopamine cycle will get the person to return to the news after the come-down. The individual is then 100% dependent, emotionally and physically, upon the consumables that are corporately delivered.

Mainstream narrative: Europe thinks Russia will invade Ukraine
European people become reliant all of its resources from Russia
Russia invades Ukraine
Europe refuses Russian resources

William Sabre
William Sabre
Jul 17, 2022 11:34 AM
Reply to  William Sabre

Get the people dependent upon consumables; then inflate the price (scarcity) and threaten to take away the consumables (terror), and all because you caused it. Clever demoralisation.

Diva
Diva
Jul 17, 2022 10:41 AM

No one wants to talk about the possibility both sides are the SAME SIDE. Why is that?

William Sabre
William Sabre
Jul 17, 2022 11:51 AM
Reply to  Diva

To entertain that concept is to stretch your view, we aren’t used to cooperating directly on a process of such apparent magnitude, we are a successfully individualised society, we can’t imagine the duty bound sacrifices and stubborness to all sing from the same sheet and achieve such a show. It’s almost a metaphysical concept.

GundelP
GundelP
Jul 20, 2022 11:25 AM
Reply to  Diva

Because it would hurt their plans. Same with the graphene oxide – nanotech part, no one wants to discuss it or almost. I’ve seen an interview, a new one with Ricardo Delgado where he – we can say – connects all the dots. He is very clear about that no mRNA was found in the vials they examined only graphene oxide, that all of the side effects people are experiencing caused by that material, poison and radiation and that HOW. This is the more vital info these days as this is what should be cured if possible – but absolutely no one talks about it while even the alternative media is full with Malone (the double Moderna vaxxed) or Yeardon (the ex-Pfizer) or McCollough (still babbling on viruses).

The Delgado interview :
Ricardo Delgado – VACCINES, GRAPHENE Oxide, NANOTECH and 5G
https://www.brighteon.com/936df8eb-df02-4cc4-bd83-6b14e9cbaa27

Lost in a dark wood
Lost in a dark wood
Jul 17, 2022 8:42 AM

This is a large part of why the so-called “alt-left” and “alt-right” are on the same page. They’ve swallowed the same alternative bullshit narrative without ever doing the appropriate research or critical enquiry. Just because the Douglas MacGregor bullshit is an alternative to that reported by CNN or BBC, doesn’t make it true. They could BOTH be bullshit narratives!

Jimmy Dore:

I’ve seen him on Fox News

Ukraine Has Collapsed & Is Failed State
The Jimmy Dore Show
Jul 3, 2022
Views: 256k

Lost in a dark wood
Lost in a dark wood
Jul 19, 2022 1:52 AM

Just another Putinista shill?

https://larouchepub.com/other/2022/4925-ukraine_has_lost_the_war_but_t.html
June 24, 2022 issue of Executive Intelligence Review.
Col. Richard H. Black (ret.)
Ukraine Has Lost the War:
But Thermonuclear War Still Threatens
This is the edited transcript of the presentation of Col. Richard Black (ret.) to Panel 1, “A Decoupling of the Two Systems or a New Paradigm for Humanity?” of the Schiller Institute’s June 18-19 Conference, “There Can Be No Peace Without the Bankruptcy Reorganization of the Dying Trans-Atlantic Financial System.” Col. Black was head of the U.S. Army’s Criminal Law Division at the Pentagon and served in the Virginia legislature first as Representative and then as a State Senator.

Let me start right off by saying that I believe that Ukraine has lost the war. Of course, the war isn’t over, but it is lost. Let me show you why. It’s become an artillery duel. Russia fires 50,000 shells a day, ten times more than Ukraine. The Washington Post says Ukraine is almost completely out of ammunition and there are no replacements for its Soviet-era ordnance.

No, it is not a quantity-based “artillery duel”. Rather, it started out with Putin expecting a fake war in which he would be allowed to take the major cities. But within a day or two, the poorly provisioned Russian forces were facing a well-trained, well-equipped, special-forces insurgency. They were also largely defenceless against the drones being used by Ukraine. This led to massive losses and the forced retreat from Kyiv, Kharkov, Mykolaiv, etc.

By mid-May it was clear that the Ukrainian strategy would transition to the use of precision-guided artillery; and once these had reached a sufficient deployment, it would become effectively impossible for Russia to store its huge volume of artillery shells. Rather than being an “artillery duel” of conventional shells, the conflict became one of quality versus quantity.

Now, given that I can’t believe you’re that ignorant, the only possibility I can thing of is that you’re a Putinista shill reciting the victory mantra.

Lost in a dark wood
Lost in a dark wood
Jul 16, 2022 10:48 PM

On the same page: Fox News (Carlson etc), Caitlin Johnstone, Zero Hedge, Steve Bannon, UK Column, WSWS, etc

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/proxy-war-has-no-exit-strategy
This Proxy War Has No Exit Strategy
July 16, 2022
Authored by Caitlin Johnstone via Medium.com

The International Committee of the Democratic Socialists of America has released a statement opposing the US government’s ongoing proxy war in Ukraine, saying the billions being funneled into the military-industrial complex “at a time when ordinary Americans are struggling to pay for housing, groceries, and fuel” is “a slap in the face for working people.” The statement advocates a negotiated settlement for peace, saying continuing to pour weapons into the country will “needlessly prolong the war, resulting in more civilian deaths” and that it “risks escalating and widening the war — up to and including nuclear war.”

Actually, there is a very clear and straightforward exit strategy, and it’s set out by Mike Pompeo. It’s that we uphold the Budapest Memorandum and Russia gets driven out of Ukraine. Pompeo cites the Budapest Memorandum as the obligation by which the US and UK guarantee the sovereignty of Ukraine; including the return of Crimea. In discussion with Walter Mead, he states (see earlier post):

Mead:
Look, the thing is too that we’re looking at post-war, would Ukraine belong in NATO, do you think, or what do we do? Because they had the Budapest Memorandum, these beautiful signed declarations. It didn’t seem to do … even the sacred UN Charter doesn’t seem to have restrained Russian aggression. What do they need? What should we do?

Pompeo:
Yeah. I don’t know exactly what that looks like. It looks like something more than the Budapest Memorandum. There has to be something there that is bigger, whether it’s formal entry into NATO. I don’t buy the theory that if Ukraine was in NATO, this would’ve spurred even greater Russian aggression. I don’t. I think that’s silly on its face. I’m not worried about escalation. I want to make sure we get it right.

When we bring NATO into it, I must say, the Europeans have to step up. This is an imperative. This isn’t American bluster. It’s not Donald Trump reading the riot act to the Europeans, or Mike Pompeo giving Hamas a hard time. This is serious stuff. If America’s going to do its global leadership role in confronting the Chinese Communist Party, it must be the case that Europe actually chooses to defend itself, for the first time in decades. I mean no mal-intent to any of the European peoples, but math is really easy with respect to Europeans simply saying, “We’d rather do business than soldiering.” They need to do some soldiering. When we think about what Eastern Ukraine will look like, what that eastern front will look like, the European eastern front will look like in the aftermath of this, it needs to have a heavy European component.

I have one more thought on the Budapest Memorandum. When’s the next time somebody’s going to give up their nuclear weapons if we don’t defend Ukraine? I left it out of my remarks today, but imagine the next time some nation has a nuclear weapon and we say, “Hey, just hand them over to so-and-so, and it’ll all be good there.” Chairman Kim is watching, I assure you. Every Arab nation who’s thinking about their own nuclear program is watching. The Iranians are watching. The Iranians are probably watching through my cell phone. This is serious stuff, if we walk away from a commitment that the United Kingdom and the United States made in signing that document. We shouldn’t forget about the proliferation risk that’s created if we simply say, “Nope, Ukraine, you’re on your own.”

Lost in a dark wood
Lost in a dark wood
Jul 16, 2022 10:55 PM

The Budapest Memorandum

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budapest_Memorandum_on_Security_Assurances
The Budapest Memorandum on Security Assurances comprises three identical political agreements signed at the OSCE conference in Budapest, Hungary, on 5 December 1994, to provide security assurances by its signatories relating to the accession of Belarus, Kazakhstan and Ukraine to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons (NPT). The memorandum was originally signed by three nuclear powers: the Russian Federation, the United Kingdom and the United States. China and France gave somewhat weaker individual assurances in separate documents.[1]

The memorandum prohibited the Russian Federation, the United Kingdom and the United States from threatening or using military force or economic coercion against Ukraine, Belarus, and Kazakhstan, “except in self-defence or otherwise in accordance with the Charter of the United Nations.” As a result of other agreements and the memorandum, between 1993 and 1996, Belarus, Kazakhstan and Ukraine gave up their nuclear weapons.[2][3]

After the annexation of Crimea by Russia in 2014, Canada,[15] France, Germany, Italy, Japan,[16] the UK,[17] and US[18][19] stated that Russian involvement was a breach of its Budapest Memorandum obligations to Ukraine and in violation of Ukrainian sovereignty and territorial integrity. On 4 March 2014, the Russian president Vladimir Putin replied to a question on the violation of the Budapest Memorandum, describing the current Ukrainian situation as a revolution: “a new state arises, but with this state and in respect to this state, we have not signed any obligatory documents”.[20] Russia stated that it had never been under obligation to “force any part of Ukraine’s civilian population to stay in Ukraine against its will”. Russia suggested that the US was in violation of the Budapest Memorandum and described the Euromaidan as a US-instigated coup.[21]

Donald Duck
Donald Duck
Jul 17, 2022 10:04 AM

Q. What is the difference between ‘annexation’ and referendum? I take it as understood that the referendum vote in Crimea in 2014 was overwhelmingly endorsed by the population who did not wish to be ruled by the descendants of the Bandera/Shukhevych clique which still has a very real presence in Lviv and the west of Ukraine.

Lost in a dark wood
Lost in a dark wood
Jul 17, 2022 1:44 PM
Reply to  Donald Duck

We could endlessly debate various rights and wrongs; but given the Russian interference prior to the 2014 coup, I believe Kyiv has every legal right to reclaim Crimea. Also, Russia launched an invasion from Crimea; and so Kyiv has the right for its future security to reclaim Crimea. However, it will ultimately come down to power; and that power will reside with Kyiv.

Brianborou
Brianborou
Jul 17, 2022 11:44 AM

“ After the annexation of Crimea by Russia in 2014..” Not according to the people in the Crimea who voted overwhelmingly in a referendum to leave the Ukraine and join the Russian Federation.

https://www.mintpressnews.com/return-russia-crimea-story-referendum-lives-since/262247/

“ Russia suggested that the US was in violation of the Budapest Memorandum and described the Euromaidan as a US – instigated coup..” Which it was !

Lost in a dark wood
Lost in a dark wood
Jul 17, 2022 1:47 PM
Reply to  Brianborou

Russia can present its evidence to some UN committee or whatever.

Brianborou
Brianborou
Jul 17, 2022 2:18 PM
Lost in a dark wood
Lost in a dark wood
Jul 17, 2022 2:46 PM
Reply to  Brianborou

As I said, they can present it to some UN committee or whatever.

Brianborou
Brianborou
Jul 17, 2022 3:51 PM

Hmm, well, it seems that Budapest Memorandum is not worth the paper it was written on because the empire of lies doesn’t believe in adhering to any agreement when it doesn’t suit its purpose. For example, the verbal and written guarantees given to Gorbachev before the USSR was dissolved not to expand NATO into former Warsaw Pact countries!

Lost in a dark wood
Lost in a dark wood
Jul 17, 2022 11:17 PM
Reply to  Brianborou

If Putin hadn’t launched the 2022 invasion, it’s likely that Russia would have been allowed to keep Crimea. This is the implication from the Brzezinski Playbook. However, a consequence of the invasion is that the issue has moved from being one of “on paper” to that of enforcement.

Brianborou
Brianborou
Jul 16, 2022 11:23 PM

“ On the same page ..”

Define the same “ page “

Lost in a dark wood
Lost in a dark wood
Jul 17, 2022 12:54 AM
Reply to  Brianborou

Define the same “page”

We’ll start with Appeasement – and all rationalised by the same talking points being pushed by supposedly diverse sources. For instance, there’s the “nuclear attack” fear propaganda put out by NYC – and then quickly regurgitated as though it were meaningful.

https://nypost.com/2022/07/11/nyc-releases-psa-for-residents-in-the-event-of-a-nuclear-attack
NYC releases PSA for residents in the event of a nuclear attack
July 11, 2022

Here pushed by Fox News and Tulsi Gabbard

This leads to the brink of nuclear war with Russia: Tulsi Gabbard
Jul 14, 2022
Fox News

Brianborou
Brianborou
Jul 17, 2022 7:48 AM

Hmm, but I don’t see any mention of U.K. Column in this particular post !

Lost in a dark wood
Lost in a dark wood
Jul 17, 2022 10:35 AM
Reply to  Brianborou

see below

GundelP
GundelP
Jul 20, 2022 11:33 AM

They won’t start a nuclear war, they wouldn’t ruin their planned-to-grab-from-us lands with that. If war my bet on wars in Europe among the nations there, based on a news I’ve read about Hungary. They want right to veto the decisions of the EP (that’s ok) and own armies. If they want chaos apart from the chaos what starvation and the lack of energy will cause, this would be the way, many small wars.
https://www.rt.com/news/559063-eu-commission-sues-hungary/

Lost in a dark wood
Lost in a dark wood
Jul 20, 2022 2:18 PM
Reply to  GundelP

My overall understanding of the conflict is summarised in an earlier post (see below); that is:

There are lots of lesser “sides”, and these have varying degrees of realness, pseudo-ness, and pawn-ness; but the two opposing titans are the Khazarians and the Christian Zionists. The Khazarians want southern Ukraine for the New Israel project. However, the Christian Zionists want the current Israel to stay largely unchanged; but with normalised relations among neighbouring countries.

Since Russia now has no way to extend out of Kherson toward Odesa, the Khazarians will know that the New Israel project has been successfully blocked. Also, the tide has now turned and the Russian forces will be pushed back. However, the message has not yet been sent to the legions of media shills and so they’ll keep pushing the nuclear fearmongering.

The Khazarians constructed a damage limitation strategy in case of failure, and that is to blame everything on Putin. Consequently, I expect Putin will be thrown under the bus; and the Khazarians will make a tactical withdraw so that they can think out a new strategy.

Lost in a dark wood
Lost in a dark wood
Jul 17, 2022 1:08 AM
Reply to  Brianborou

Here’s David North (WSWS) on the same page as Fox News and Tulsi Gabbard.

https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2022/07/12/rdep-j12.html
NYC Emergency Management Department issues Public Service Announcement for nuclear attack
David North
12 July 2022

The release of the public service message can only mean that NYC officials, acting on information they have received from Washington, believe that a nuclear war is now a distinct and even imminent danger. Rather than pulling back from the brink, Biden is escalating the reckless war against Russia. . . .

Alternatively, it could just be a propaganda stunt so that all the Putinista shills have coordinated talking points!

Here, Tucker Carlson saves the nuclear scarium for the climax (17:15)

Tucker Carlson: This is shameful
Jul 13, 2022
Fox News
Fox News host Tucker Carlson calls out the Biden administration for sending billions of dollars to Ukraine while Americans suffer with record-high inflation on ‘Tucker Carlson Tonight.’

Brianborou
Brianborou
Jul 17, 2022 7:49 AM

Again I don’t see any mention of U.K. Column in this particular post !

Lost in a dark wood
Lost in a dark wood
Jul 17, 2022 10:35 AM
Reply to  Brianborou

ditto

Brianborou
Brianborou
Jul 17, 2022 11:03 AM

Note I said “ in this particular post “

Brianborou
Brianborou
Jul 16, 2022 11:39 PM

Right off you go then and demonstrate with verifiable factual evidence how all the platforms from Caitlin Johnstone to U.K Column are speaking from the same hymn sheet !

Lost in a dark wood
Lost in a dark wood
Jul 17, 2022 1:20 AM
Reply to  Brianborou

Next up, Pompeo’s speech and the Budapest Memorandum.

Both UK Column and Caitlin Johnstone recently discussed Pompeo’s Hudson Institute speech; and both are equally dismissive in much the same style.

https://caityjohnstone.medium.com/mike-pompeos-revealing-hudson-institute-speech-cb88e89ee391
https://www.ukcolumn.org/index.php/video/uk-column-news-8th-july-2022
20:11 – BBC Pushing For Maximum War In Ukraine
22:37 – Perpetual War [covers Pompeo’s speech]

However, neither make reference to the Budapest Memorandum. Given that it is probably the most “imperative” and “serious” point made by Pompeo, failure to mention it is a major omission.

BTW: If anybody is aware of either Johnstone or UK Column addressing the Budapest Memorandum, please let me know.

Lost in a dark wood
Lost in a dark wood
Jul 17, 2022 10:21 AM

Some of what’s wrong with Brian Gerrish (@20:11 in above link)

a) by comparing solely to the BBC, he does the same as Jimmy Dore who compares to CNN

b) he pushes the MacGregor narrative based simply on the taking of territory in the east. “Russia is clearly winning. . . . The Ukrainians are unable to stem the tide; even with weapons from the UK etc.” This is not even debatable according to MacGregor etc.

c) he pushes a strawman by talking about the destruction of Russian artillery with drones; whereas the main current purpose of HIMARS etc is to destroy artillery ammunition.

d) most of the UAVs are cheap drones; and many others are loitering munitions. And in six days they can do a lot of damage!

e) the main effect of Starlink is in supporting GPS for guided munitions and providing real-time reconnaissance.

f) in what way does Gerrish think he’s fit to speak for Ukrainians? Does he even reference any Ukrainians?

So here’s a couple of Ukrainian channels:

Denys Davydov
https://www.youtube.com/c/RoadHomeMotorcycleVlogs

Operator Starsky
https://www.youtube.com/c/StarskyUA

Brianborou
Brianborou
Jul 17, 2022 11:27 AM

“ ..By comparing solely to the BBC..”

Hmm, I see you know very little about the U.K. government controlled entity called the BBC so I suggest you have a very thorough read of this to make yourself more au fait with it and why Gerrish refers constantly to the insidious nature of this organisation.

https://wikispooks.com/wiki/BBC

“ He pushes the Macgregor narrative..” It’s not only Macgregor but many many other commentators with a thorough knowledge and first hand experience of the military who hold the same view.

“ ..current main purpose of the HIMARs is to destroy ammunition” You forgot to add they are also being used to terrorise and kill civilians in the liberated territories of the Donbas.

“ ..Does he reference the Ukrainians” Which Ukrainians do you mean ? The U.K./ US/ NATO/ City of London Ukrainian Nazi regime or the people’s of the liberated territories of the Donbas.

Lost in a dark wood
Lost in a dark wood
Jul 17, 2022 10:32 AM

Regarding the America Free Press article on Mike Pompeo. (See above UK Column link)

https://americanfreepress.net
PDF lead article – July 11, 2022

Perpetual War
No money for school lunches but plenty for World War III
By the AFP Staff
Image caption: MIKE POMPEO – Wants to start war with China.

On June 24, Mike Pompeo, the former secretary of state under President Donald Trump, spoke at the neoconservative Hudson Institute to little fanfare, delivering what foreign policy insiders have referred to as the “Three Lighthouses” speech. In it, Pompeo weaved together the neoliberal and neoconservative agendas that seek not just to boost U.S. involvement in the bloody Russia-Ukraine war but to provoke China as well, essentially advocating for a third world war that pits Europe and the United States against a more populous and technologically advanced Asia.

“I consider it an enormous responsibility to speak to you about a matter of the utmost urgency and significance,” Pompeo told the audience of U.S. elites. “It involves war, Ukraine, and the necessity of forming a new global alliance for freedom … which must contest both Russian and Chinese aggression.” . . .

Pompeo in his speech also called for provoking China by officially recognizing Taiwan as a sovereign nation and renewing a 1970 U.S. defense treaty with the island country that would force a war should China ever decide to invade Taiwan.

The fact is, it should not matter whether someone supports Russia or Ukraine or what they personally think of communist China. If the United States were to take Pompeo’s advice and wade further into Ukraine and the south Pacific, there can be no doubt it would provoke responses from both Russia and China and lead to a war between the West and the East that would consume the entire Earth, something no sensible person should want no matter how much it enriches the bombmakers and the Deep State.

a) it pushes the same smear-by-association as Caitlin Johnstone – i.e. the claim that the Hudson Institute has some connection to neocons etc. So how about we start exploring why Gerrish pushed the Koch Declaration (a.k.a. “Great Barrington”)?

b) it fails to mention the Budapest Memorandum (see above)

c) what specifically are the “neocon and neo-liberal ideas”? (mentioned by Mark Anderson)

d) the articles states:

there can be no doubt it would provoke responses from both Russia and China

Well so fucking what !

Brianborou
Brianborou
Jul 17, 2022 10:46 AM

“ ..discussed Pompeo’s Hudson Institute speech,..”

Let’s have a closer look at this “ think tank”

From 2010 Bildeberg meeting

One of the participants snapped by Quierosaber is the glacial senior fellow of the Hudson Institute, Marie-Josée Kravis, (wife of Henry Kravis, head of private equity megafirm KKR). The tax-exempt Hudson Institute is a US “thinktank” which has a clearly stated aim: “We seek to guide global leaders in government and business.” It’s funded by good and wise people like Monsanto, DuPont, Pfizer, McDonald’s, General Atomics, IBM, Proctor & Gamble, and Conrad Black (Bilderberg attendee
and currently guest of Florida correctional institution).

The Hudson Institute was set up by the Rand Corporation (which had previously been set up by the Douglas Aircraft Company to advise the US military). In a nutshell, that’s who Marie-Josée Kravis works for, and that’s who George Osborne spent Bilderberg 2006, 2007, 2008 and 2009 listening to.

Now, what did U.K. Column state about his speech?

From 22:41- 26.47

Well first, they state that their seems plenty of money for war but no money for school lunches, human needs, food or basic infrastructure. However, they go on to state there is plenty of money for munitions and weapons for the Ukraine.

Next, they introduce Mark Anderson, an American, from Stop the presses. He ask’s basic questions is Mike Pompeo trustworthy?

He then goes on to explain from the article of Pompeo’s speech that he seeks the US to make alliances, this starts at 24.01 – 25. 32 , with Europe to stand up to the aggressions from Russia and China. Anderson goes on to say that if Pompeo’s clarion call was taken up it would globalise the conflict in the Ukraine. Moreover, Anderson argues that Pompeo is trying to weave Neo conservatives and neo liberal ideas together which in his view is one and the same since they come from the same source. Furthermore, he states that Pompeo’s speech is in essence to continue the US’s hegemony and directorship over the world.

Mike Robinson, co- presenter of U.K. Column, says, at 25.33 – 26.21 , that 2 days before Pompeo resigned from the Trump administration he brought the US and the European into a new defense project. This was then taken up by the Biden Administration. In addition, he argues that these international projects move across US administrations and one of the reasons why the US is so keen to get into these international agreements is so encourage European countries to meet their 2% defense budget which give an opportunity for US defense contractors to move in.

It would appear you are not following what the U.K. Column have stated nor done any research on the Hudson Institute or Mike Pompeo.

Lost in a dark wood
Lost in a dark wood
Jul 18, 2022 2:43 AM
Reply to  Brianborou

Mike Robinson, co- presenter of U.K. Column, says, at 25.33 – 26.21 , that 2 days before Pompeo resigned from the Trump administration he brought the US and the European into a new defense project. This was then taken up by the Biden Administration. In addition, he argues that these international projects move across US administrations and one of the reasons why the US is so keen to get into these international agreements is so encourage European countries to meet their 2% defense budget which give an opportunity for US defense contractors to move in.

There’s no such thing as the “Biden Administration”.

Secretary of State Pompeo: “There will be a smooth transition to a second Trump administration.”
C-SPAN
Nov 10, 2020

Lost in a dark wood
Lost in a dark wood
Jul 17, 2022 1:34 AM
Reply to  Brianborou

With regard to the notion of there being no clear objectives, no exit strategy, or it becoming a “long war”, Steve Bannon pushes many of the same talking points as Caitlin Johnstone.

https://rumble.com/v1chp6b-steve-bannon-joe-biden-must-tell-the-american-people-what-the-objectives-in.html
Steve Bannon: Joe Biden Must Tell The American People What The Objectives In Ukraine Are
Bannons War Room
Published July 16, 2022
Referenced article:
https://web.archive.org/web/20220701010454/https://www.economist.com/leaders/2022/06/30/how-to-win-ukraines-long-war

However, Bannon also fails to mention the Budapest Memorandum. This is a very clear, straightforward and limited objective. It is to drive Russia out of Ukraine and to restore Ukrainian sovereignty.

Furthermore, there’s no reason for it to be a “long war”. All that’s needed is to put the advanced weapons into Ukraine as quickly as possible.

Again, if anybody knows where Bannon discusses the Memorandum (and/or Pompeo’s speech; “quick war”; etc) please let me know.

Lost in a dark wood
Lost in a dark wood
Jul 17, 2022 6:05 AM

A couple of weeks ago, I reported how Revolver News was using Moon of Alabama as it’s primary source on Ukraine. My post is copied below.

OffG Article: 2022-06-28 – Anatomy of Philanthropath Dreams of Democide
Post Date: Jul 3, 2022

On the same page: Revolver News and Moon of Alabama.
https://www.revolver.news

Revolver News is a news aggregation site (aiming to replace Drudge) which leans well to the right of centre – i.e. Steven Bannon territory. As of now [July 3], it has links to six Moon of Alabama articles in its first twenty stories. Moon of Alabama is supposedly well to the left of centre.

Examples:

https://www.moonofalabama.org/2022/07/lysichansk-is-under-control-of-the-russian-side.html
July 02, 2022

https://www.moonofalabama.org/2022/07/ukraine-the-bear-caught-the-kraken-by-using-a-trick.html
July 01, 2022

William Sabre
William Sabre
Jul 17, 2022 10:53 AM

So, do you think they will escalate this phony war into sending troops to die and actual bombs on western/taiwanese cities OR is this all just to reset economy, forward Agenda plans and manipulate the populous etc.?

Lost in a dark wood
Lost in a dark wood
Jul 17, 2022 11:32 AM
Reply to  William Sabre

It was intended as a phoney war in which Putin would “win” after a couple of weeks. And they’d prepared two bullshit narratives; which I’ll call CNN’s and Putinista’s (see Jimmy Dore video). However, it was turned into a real war on the second day (or thereabouts) when Ukrainian special forces were activated (see Brzezinski Playbook). And both of the pseudo-sides are now stuck within their respective narratives. CNN and BBC have to continue cheering for Ukraine and Zelenksy; and the Putinista have to keep pushing the line that Russia is winning.

With regard to Taiwan, I can’t see any possibility of China launching an invasion. It would be on a scale greater than D-Day; and the advances in defense technology (mines, torpedoes, missiles, shells, etc) has far exceeded those of the offense. The Chinese invasion fleet would be wiped out.

William Sabre
William Sabre
Jul 17, 2022 12:08 PM

So there are, at least, two opposing sides playing?

Lost in a dark wood
Lost in a dark wood
Jul 17, 2022 12:31 PM
Reply to  William Sabre

There are lots of lesser “sides”, and these have varying degrees of realness, pseudo-ness, and pawn-ness; but the two opposing titans are the Khazarians and the Christian Zionists. The Khazarians want southern Ukraine for the New Israel project; see BTL (Below The Line):
https://off-guardian.org/2022/06/09/ukraine-what-comes-next

However, the Christian Zionists want the current Israel to stay largely unchanged; but with normalised relations among neighbouring countries. For instance, see:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2020/08/25/pompeo-israel-christian-zionism-republican-national-convention
Pompeo’s Christian Zionism takes center stage
Analysis by Ishaan Tharoor
August 25, 2020

Pompeo’s visit to Israel is part of a multicountry tour during which he appears set to build on the newly announced normalization of ties between Israel and the United Arab Emirates. But his short speech to the convention from the historic King David Hotel will reinforce the Trump administration’s unequivocal embrace of Israel as a partisan prop. Pompeo is likely to tout the Israeli-Emirati breakthrough as evidence of Trump’s new approach to the region, though the real force of his appeal may be directed to right-wing Christian Evangelical voters, like himself, at home.

During a stump speech last week, Trump said his decision to move the U.S. Embassy in Israel from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem was “for the evangelicals.” Both Pompeo and Vice President Pence count among a leading rank of Christian Zionist politicians in the United States, who link matters of geopolitics — whether confronting a regional nemesis in the theocratic Iranian regime or helping Israel extend greater control over the Holy Land — to biblical prophecy and revelation.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Pompeo
Michael Richard Pompeo (born December 30, 1963) is an American politician, diplomat, and businessman who served under President Donald Trump as director of the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) from 2017 to 2018 and as the 70th United States secretary of state from 2018 to 2021. He is the first person to have held both of those positions.

See: Brzezinski Playbook !

Brianborou
Brianborou
Jul 17, 2022 2:46 PM

“ It was intended as a phoney war” Like the phoney war in the Donbas which has been going on for 8 years conducted by the US/ U.K./NATO/ City of London Ukrainian Nazi regime against the Russian speaking people’s of the Donbas.

https://www.floppingaces.net/most-wanted/does-ukraine-need-to-be-denazified/

Lost in a dark wood
Lost in a dark wood
Jul 17, 2022 9:10 PM
Reply to  Brianborou

The 2014+ war in the Donbas was orchestrated by Kolomoisky; who had received “several billion dollars” from Abramovich (Putin’s friend) “two or three years” prior to 2014. It was a false-flag conflict used to justify both the grabbing of Ukrainian land and the eventual invasion.

Iain Davis (Flopping Graces):

In April 2014 . . . officially, they operated under Interior Ministry and Ministry of Defence command. However, wealthy oligarchs, such as Rinat Akhmetov, Arsen Avakov and Ihor Kolomoysky were funding them. . . . In October 2014, Avakov and Parubiy were also behind the regularisation of the Azov Regiment as part of the Ukrainian National Guard (NGU). The National Guard was nominally under the command of the Interior Ministry, but oligarchs such as Kolomoysky appeared to be pulling the strings of the new Nazi regiments.

https://genius.com/Vladimir-putin-press-conference-on-the-situation-in-ukraine-annotated
Press conference on the situation in Ukraine
President Vladimir Putin of Russia takes questions from the Russian media on March 3, 2014, following Russian military action in Ukraine’s Crimean Peninsula.
Released: March 4, 2014

For example, Mr Kolomoisky was appointed Governor of Dnepropetrovsk. This is a unique crook. He even managed to cheat our oligarch Roman Abramovich two or three years ago. Scammed him, as our intellectuals like to say. They signed some deal, Abramovich transferred several billion dollars, while this guy never delivered and pocketed the money. When I asked him [Abramovich]: “Why did you do it?” he said: “I never thought this was possible.” I do not know, by the way, if he ever got his money back and if the deal was closed. But this really did happen a couple of years ago. And now this crook is appointed Governor of Dnepropetrovsk. No wonder the people are dissatisfied. They were dissatisfied and will remain so if those who refer to themselves the legitimate authorities continue in the same fashion.

https://blogs.timesofisrael.com/neo-nazi-azov-battalion-is-a-threat-from-within
Neo-Nazi Azov Battalion is a threat from within
Apr 17, 2022

On 13 Apr 2014, the Minister of Internal Affairs of Ukraine, Arsen Avakov, issued a ruling sanctioning the set-up of new paramilitary forces of up to 12,000 people. The Azov Battalion was formed on 05 May 2014 at Berdinsk by a white nationalist. This outfit was regulated by the Ministry of Interior of Ukraine and branded as ‘Special Tasks Patrol Police’. Initially, it was funded independently, and one of the leading financiers was a Jewish-Ukrainian billionaire and oligarch, Igor Kolomoyskyi. Many political party members of the ‘Patriot Party’ of Ukraine joined this organization.

Follow the money!

alexander reynolds
alexander reynolds
Jul 16, 2022 6:07 PM

Haven’t watched the whole “Right Now” broadcast, which I assume to be behind a pay- or subscription-wall, but Kit is magnificent once again, to the point where I am asking myself whether he, at this point, even has the “courage of his own correctness”. DO you, Kit? I suppose you must be aware that the point you make in the Twitter clip puts you much farther “down the rabbit hole” – and into the probable truth – than almost anyone else in the alternative media and also, I would guess, than any of your editorial colleagues at OffGuardian. You are basically saying, if I have not misunderstood you, that “the war in Ukraine” is as much a globalist invention ex nihilo as was “the pandemic” or, to paraphrase the excellent short piece about COVID that you wrote about a year: the war isn’t being “exploited”, it isn’t being “exaggerated”, it is literally and directly being made up.
Almost nobody, as far as I’m aware, in the alternative media – and needless to say, no one at all in the mainstream media – has had the insight and/or honesty to come out and say this. The few people who kept their eye on the ball during the “COVID” hoax – UK Column, Gareth Icke’s Dad David and Gareth here himself – have lost all their critical acumen since February 2022, so that the globalist gambit Kit describes really has worked depressingly well (or the envelopes have finally gotten fat enough to persuade decent men like Icke and Gerrish to jump ship and join the liars).
Even the “Comments” column on this present article is quickly filling up with proponents of the “let’s not get too paranoid here, guys:…we’re not actually in The Matrix”. A healthy attitude, prima facie – but in 2022 I think we need to halt a moment and ask ourselves: “Is there a reason, in basic principle, why no moment could ever come when we would be ‘in The Matrix’? And could it be that that moment has already arrived?” The COVID hoax was a gambit of unprecedented scale and daring – or at least the world hadn’t seen anything like since the most massive “psy ops” of the medieval church. The “cause” was literally nothing; the “effects” have altered global human self-perception and behaviour for possibly decades to come. After getting away with that, why would the powers that be think it beyond them to completely manufacture a supposed “massive military conflict” in the heart of Europe and why would the mush-brained NPCs who believed in their tens of millions that “there was an empty place at every dinner table” in 2020 and 2021 not believe in it?
“Excessive”, then, or “David-Icke-ish”, as it may seem to say so – though developments in the Icke camp are forcing us, as I say, to revise our adjectives here – the “war in Ukraine” really does bear the marks of a “problem-reaction-solution” gambit of exactly the “SARS COVID 19” sort. The Russian army surging across Ukraine in an attempt to take Kiev, being beaten back by massively inferior forces (‘because they were fighting with kid gloves, since this was above all a ‘hearts and minds’ type of conquest!’ so the believers in the reality of the war tell us) and then, on retreating, leaving scores of burned and beheaded civilian bodies in the city’s suburbs (so much for ‘hearts and minds’) – all this makes about as much sense as the Chinese developing and releasing a bio-weapon that was aimed to cripple the West militarily and economically by bumping the mortality rate among the over-85s by ten per cent. There is no war, guys, just like there was no pandemic. Major props to Kit for saying so – though I wonder, as I say, whether he will not feel moved to intervene at this point and say “oh but I didn’t say so” for fear of being left alone even by his closest colleagues in a place where even the once-fearless Ickes now fear to tread.

jiin
jiin
Jul 17, 2022 9:11 AM

U.K colon never ever mentions FreemasonS or the NWO. it is always the commi’s which fit’s the Military Intelligence (lack of) opertais which it backwards viewers seem to watch in the hypnotic state thinking its cutting edge news.

William Sabre
William Sabre
Jul 17, 2022 12:53 PM

Reality is such that the Matrix is a kind of perception that humanity can fall into at anytime, metaphors aside, it is an actual psychological delusion of society based on old dark-mother myths, where we are being bred and sacrificed for her; impotence and emotional dysregulation abound. Don’t play their game. The key out is individuation, fertility in thought and action and pro-creation. i.e. BUILD garden, family, life.

Owen Benjamin:



William Sabre
William Sabre
Jul 17, 2022 1:23 PM
Reply to  William Sabre

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Dale
Dale
Jul 16, 2022 1:10 PM

Biden in the process of losing his second proxy war to Putin, Syria being the first.

Donald Duck
Donald Duck
Jul 16, 2022 9:09 AM

I’m really beginning to wonder about the Russian ‘war’ in Ukraine. Ukraine the poorest country in Europe and getting worse, falling female fertility rates (which means falling population), mass exodus westwards, a totally corrupt government owned by the likes of Zelensky, and the assorted oligarchs like Kolomoiski and assorted petty-fuhrers from Lviv – and it doesn’t even have an air-force!

This war or SMO moving at a snails pace when the whole operation should have been wound up some time ago. Oh yes and there is the Ukie army doing what it usually does and has a penchant for, namely, bombarding the hapless folks who live in Donetsk (the city). Moreover, snivelling little regimes like Lithuania can close down Russia’s enclave in Kaliningrad and with only a slapped wrist.

And now the nominally ally – the US – has joined in the fun. The whole exercise is turning into a fake Kabuki stand-off. Tell me I’m wrong!

Rhisiart Gwilym
Rhisiart Gwilym
Jul 16, 2022 10:02 AM
Reply to  Donald Duck

You’re wrong, Donald. Avoid simplistic armchair-general babble by the militarily-naive. And remember: some alleged conspiracies really are just paranoid fantasies.

Diva
Diva
Jul 17, 2022 10:47 AM

Argument from incredulity – very convincing

brianborou
brianborou
Jul 16, 2022 11:59 AM
Reply to  Donald Duck

” The war or SMO is moving at a snails pace…”

The reason why is because the Ukraine Nazi regime along with their masters US/UK/NATO/City of London have spent the last 8 years building a vast string of fortification networks, just like the Germans did in WW2 to slow the Red Army advance, to do the same. Just as in WW2, the Russians have used similar tactics. IE massive employment of artillery working non-stop on targeted areas then at the appropriate time pouring in through the gap with armour plus infantry.

https://southfront.org/is-russias-advance-in-donbass-too-slow/

paul
paul
Jul 16, 2022 8:26 PM
Reply to  brianborou

Admiral Fisher (WW1) said that moderation in warfare is an imbecility.

At the start of this war, millions of refugees hopped on a train and 2 hours later they were in Poland. Why? Why were trains still running? Why weren’t the Dnieper bridges taken out on Day 1? Why was there still electricity, water, gas in Kiev? Why was Russia still supplying Kiev with free gas? Why was the phone network still up?

When Iraq was invaded, this was preceded by a 42 day carpet bombing campaign, dropping 100,000 bombs and missiles. No electricity, no gas, no water, no telecoms, no nothing. Electricity grid destroyed. Roads, bridges, railroads, everything destroyed. The country was bombed back to the Stone Age.

I understand the desire to avoid civilian casualties. But there is a cost in pulling your punches in a war. The war goes on a lot longer than necessary – and you may even lose as a result. More soldiers of the Russian army and Donbas militia die than would otherwise be the case. More civilians in the Donbas are targeted and killed than would otherwise be the case – and more Ukrainian soldiers and civilians. It gives the United Snakes and its jackals and poodles more opportunity to invent new ways of causing mischief. “Let’s send in more Javelins/ Stingers/ M777s/ HIMARS to kill as many Russians as possible.” NATO countries bragging how they have targeted Russian warships and killed Russian servicemen. Or shitty little countries like Lithuania and Norway causing trouble over Kaliningrad and Spitzbergen. More false flags and atrocity hoaxes.

Russia needs to stop pulling its punches and end the war.

Dale
Dale
Jul 16, 2022 1:09 PM
Reply to  Donald Duck

Slowly is as fast as you can go against the second-largest army in Europe and when you’re fighting in a manner as to minimize civilian casualties as well as casualties to your own army.

Art Costa
Art Costa
Jul 16, 2022 1:53 PM
Reply to  Dale

Two false narratives. You picked one.

Diva
Diva
Jul 17, 2022 10:43 AM
Reply to  Dale

Suddenly Ukraine has an amazing army and everyone forgets we were being told the exact opposite six months ago. The “facts” changes to fit the narrative. Pure Orwell

S Cooper
S Cooper
Jul 16, 2022 2:20 PM
Reply to  Donald Duck

“Sense that it serves as yet just another cover/pretext for the Psycho Nazis wholesale robbery of WE THE PEOPLE (Humanity)? Prices have jumped haven’t they? To borrow from ole Smedley Butler war indeed is a racket.”
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“The Nazi Assassin Terrorist Outfit needs to go, NOW!”

Penelope
Penelope
Jul 17, 2022 11:08 AM
Reply to  Donald Duck

Y’know, Mr. Duck, you may just be right. When you have air superiority, how can any sort of fortifications stand up to you? I mean, when the opposing troops have taken refuge in a major industrial plant, they’re unable to fight you. Certainly avoiding civilian casualties must be a handicap, but what about the constant cries of the Ukrainian soldier that the advanced equipment isn’t even reaching him?

I’ve been saying for weeks now that a part of this “story” is the takedown of America: in prestige, what cd be better than a senile president; in military the giveaway of weapons that simply cdn’t occur w/o the pretext of this war; and selling off at least 1/3 of the Strategic Oil Reserve to India “to reduce the price of oil”?! Give me a break!

In order to bring in the NWO they must bring down the most developed countries, and break the people who are accustomed to democratic rights.

WHY are the Russians not using decisive airpower against Ukrainian troop movements?

banana
banana
Jul 16, 2022 8:13 AM

“You can begin a 7-day free trial by clicking here
Truth as a subscription, FFM’s

Mark EL
Mark EL
Jul 16, 2022 8:43 AM
Reply to  banana

FFM’s’ What’s this stand for b?

banana
banana
Jul 16, 2022 3:00 PM
Reply to  Mark EL

kin free masons

dan
dan
Jul 16, 2022 3:45 PM
Reply to  banana

I have just been bemused at that exact same thing.. i wouldn’t trust him or his old man as far as i could throw them.

Mark EL
Mark EL
Jul 17, 2022 7:42 AM
Reply to  banana

Cheers b.

NickM
NickM
Jul 16, 2022 7:12 AM

“The Ukrainian people are being used like expendable pawns on the Grand EurAsian Chess Board”.

Our Filipina care giver tells us:

“America wants our President Marcos fight China. Say they will give us Super Weapons. We say, take Super Weapons go fight China yourself. You bigger than us. Do you think we are stupid!?”.

So at least one Filipina girl does not consider herself a pawn. Nor do Ukrainians in the Donbass; they fought against the Biden / Nuland anti-Russian genocide from its very start in the “cookie coup” of 2014, and finally got the upper hand with Russian help. As happened in Syria, the Syrian people likewise proving not very amenable to “being used as pawns”.

Sixty years ago Cuban people, likewise with Russian help, proved to be not amenable to playing the Game of Life as though they were pawns on a chessboard. So did Chinese, Korean and Vietnamese people. So did the Russian people by electing Putin to replace Anglo Zio Capitalist pawn Yeltsin.

So, the Ukranian people have allowed themselves to be used as pawns by a string of Jewish-only Presidents, installed by a foul-mouthed Jewish U$ female’s “cookie coup”, and have pawned the family silver on Lend Lease from the EU$A, for Super NATZO Weapons with which to commit genocidal bombardment against Russian speakers in Ukraine until they find themselves fighting against Russia itself.

What can I say?

“Some are born pawns, some are made pawns, some achieve pawnshop” — with apologies to Twelfth Night.

Penelope
Penelope
Jul 16, 2022 7:04 AM

I still say part of the reason for this war is to degrade the military strength of the West. TPTB don’t want strong nation-states– and they want Global Private Army to become stronger.

Look at the evidence for weakening the US: Vaxxing the military, selling 1/3 of the Strategic Oil Reserve, sending lots of equipment “to Ukraine” — but most ends up somewhere else, and a senile commander in chief.

PS, we used to have a Grain Reserve maintained by the govt– but decades ago responsibility for that was turned over to the private (corporate) sector, and allowed to lapse.

Donald Duck
Donald Duck
Jul 16, 2022 9:43 AM
Reply to  Penelope

Who is this Global Private Army going to fight?

George Mc
George Mc
Jul 16, 2022 9:46 AM
Reply to  Donald Duck

I’m sure they’ll think of somebody.

NickM
NickM
Jul 16, 2022 1:40 PM
Reply to  George Mc

If the price is right.

NickM
NickM
Jul 16, 2022 1:38 PM
Reply to  Donald Duck

The Global Private army is going to fight Us the People. That’s the advantage of a private army: it can be bought and paid for by Global Capitalists, just like Political Parties, Prime Ministers and Presidents have been bought and paid for right across the EU$A.

The trouble with a National army is that it might attract patriots who want to work for the good of their country, like the KGB attracted Putin.

SeamusPadraig
SeamusPadraig
Jul 16, 2022 4:51 PM
Reply to  Donald Duck

Us, basically.

Penelope
Penelope
Jul 17, 2022 11:19 AM
Reply to  Donald Duck

Donald, damned if I know, but it’s controlled by its corporate bosses, not by our own domestic militaries who might be reluctant to act against civilians. For example, it appears that those brought in to break the Canadian truckers were UN troops, but w/o insignia.

Global private armies, mercenaries, are being used all over the world when US doesn’t want to be answerable to Congress, aren’t they? That’s my impression.

Or suppose there’s a real revolt in the US. What wd prevent global private army from putting it down, except our own military?

Penelope
Penelope
Jul 16, 2022 6:53 AM

Let’s see, head of Britain has stepped down– also Italy, France, and Bulgaria. There is talk about Germany, due to incompetence in handling the country’s energy needs.

And suddenly everyone is piling on Biden, including the NYT, and a member of Congress who was personal physician to 3 US Presidents, and says publicly that Biden can’t make it to the end of his term because his mind is too far gone. There is even a story that he got lost in CIA headquarters. So I’d guess that TPTB have decided to dispense w his services.

So what are they going to do about Kamala? Surely not.

Vagabard
Vagabard
Jul 16, 2022 10:35 AM
Reply to  Penelope

We may soon have a Penelope (aka Penny) for the new ‘head of Britain’.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penny_Mordaunt

In some ways, Biden is more dangerous than a younger, more virile person. At least as far as public perception is concerned. The image of the US as a doddery, forgetful, semi-senile, old grandfather, which he helps to create, provides the perfect cover for its strength behind the scenes.

If your enemies perceive you as weak, then that can be used to your advantage. Underestimating your opponent is dangerous thing.

I’m sure Sun Tzu must have said something similar in his ‘Art of War’  🤔 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Art_of_War

moneycircus
moneycircus
Jul 16, 2022 4:12 AM

NATO is a mind game; pursuing political objectives without military force.
Strategic Concept review identifies Russia as a “direct threat,” China as “challenge.”
Yet 300,000 high-readiness force exists only on paper; the spear is ideological, using the lives of others.

It’s been argued that the reason Western intelligence was warning of a Russian invasion at the start of this year is that Ukraine itself was being prepared to move against the Donbas and Crimea, an argument that probably will never be settled. If so, NATO’s posture towards Moscow is not defensive — how could it be given the stated intent of expanding to Russia’s borders? It is at least considering war with Russia. That is the danger and there is plenty of supporting evidence.

NATO’s Military Doctrine Is A Cult
https://moneycircus.substack.com/p/eurasia-note-56-natos-military-doctrine

https://moneycircus.substack.com/p/eurasia-note-55-wests-decisive-moment

WillianHill
WillianHill
Jul 15, 2022 11:16 PM

Why do these people not defend and explain why the EU farm subsidies existed, rather than treating us like idiots and just saying it was all wrong.

There is history and good reasons for EU subsidies, bloody explain that if you are honest players.

Controlling food production to avoid massive surpluses, whilst keeping farms solvent was a big part of it in the past, which was a good thing.

I’m not justifying what is happening now, which is green madness, but all EU subsides and strategies were not all bad in the past and food self sufficiency was a big part of it.

Rob Rob
Rob Rob
Jul 16, 2022 1:48 AM
Reply to  WillianHill

These days people are so reactive that you got this huge jump to the other extreme…

example, learning that man never walked on the moon, people start thinking flat earth…

common sense isn’t common

Kika
Kika
Jul 16, 2022 5:02 AM
Reply to  Rob Rob

Hi Rob. Suggest you take a look at research on both moon landing and flat earth. You might just be surprised! There is plenty of good research on these topics which I would not call ‘reactive’.

Christine Thompson
Christine Thompson
Jul 16, 2022 6:40 AM
Reply to  Kika

There’s always a motive for why the evil Establishment tell blatant black lies to the global masses. And there is absolutely NO reason why they’d pretend that Earth was a globe (spinning on its axis once every 24 hours & orbiting the Sun once every 365 days) if it was whatever ‘flat-earthers’ mean by a ‘flat earth’!!!

For heaven’s sake, of course this planet is not a ‘flat earth’!!!

What on earth is happening to people, that so many people can fall for such nonsense??!!??

Kika
Kika
Jul 16, 2022 7:13 AM

Proof? You could try to open your mind and do a bit of research. See what you find.

Christine Thompson
Christine Thompson
Jul 16, 2022 8:00 AM
Reply to  Kika

I’ve been a passionate researcher of many big subjects in life for 53+ years (ie, since I was the tender age of 10… I’m 63). And I know full well that this planet is NOT a ‘flat earth’!!! That it’s a globe!

And this has been proven by many scientists throughout the years and centuries!!! It’s you ‘flat-earthers’ who need a reality check!!!

Edwige
Edwige
Jul 16, 2022 8:31 AM

“this has been proven by many scientists throughout the years”.

After convid, you think that’s going to convince anyone? The same scientists who supported that?

Explain the multiple examples of where we can see too far and the Bedford Levels experiment. Explain the Mickelson-Morley Experiment better than mainstream science’s Lorentz Contraction and Airy’s Failure (yes, there is “science” on the other side). Explain why balloons are 120,000 ft show no visible curvature but the film of Felix Baumgartner’s jump does (other than somebody was faking it – why?). Explain why the cosmology we’re given seems to feature many of their beloved numerological encodes (one loses count of the hidden 666s). Explain the strangeness that surrounds the Polar regions including the lack of North-South navigations (freemasonic, proven liar cousins of the Queen excepted).

I’m not convinced the Earth is flat but it’s not self-evidently stupid and it’s not without scientific support. Vague statements about “proven by many scientists” might do for the mainstream media but they shouldn’t satisfy anyone here.

Mark EL
Mark EL
Jul 16, 2022 8:55 AM
Reply to  Edwige

Sums up my position very well too E. Lots of disquieting questions.

My main issue with the ‘earth is a globe fraud’ is the cui bono one.

Christine Thompson
Christine Thompson
Jul 16, 2022 9:28 AM
Reply to  Edwige

I’ve not watched the corrupt MSM for 35+ years; I’ve been aware since my late teens/early 20s (ie, for 41-45 years) of how this planet is run/controlled, and by whom. I’m the only person in my immediate and extended family who’s wised-up re. these things.

However, I simply do not think that claiming that this planet is a ‘flat earth’ is valid. As I said in my post a few hours ago, above (to Kika), the evil Establishment always have motives for when they spew out their evil lies [no matter what the subject matter], and I’m pretty sure there could be no reason why they’d feel a need to pretend that Earth was a globe, if it was a ‘flat earth’. There’s just no valid reason/motive for such a huge pretence!!

A few years ago, a ‘flat earther’ posted to me on another forum, tried to get me to ‘believe’ what he was churning out.
Just to humour him, I looked up the titles of some books on the ‘subject’, and found plenty of people had posted with listings of “proofs of the globe that the ‘flat earth’ claim cannot explain”: those listings of those proofs took up a full three-quarters of an online page!!

I know full well that the majority (but by far not all) of ‘scientists’ on the planet have fallen for the ‘covid’ scam/hoax/fraud. But that being so does not equate to the relevant scientists being wrong re. the nature of this Earth! Again I say that there is no valid reason/motive for why ‘The-Powers-That-Should-NOT-Be’ would choose to pretend that we live on a globe, if the truth was that Earth was a ‘flat’ earth…

If, when you said (in parentheses) that “Yes, there is ‘science’ on the other side”, you were referring to the very real Spirit dimension [of this multi-dimensional cosmos], ie, the ‘place’ from which we [the eternal soul that we each are] originate, and the ‘place’ to which we return, after each of our soul’s many, many lifetimes, then yes, I’m very aware of the existence of the Afterlife (no matter what the many closed-minded sceptics claim to the contrary); for I’ve been genned-up on that ultimate truth of existence for almost 30 years. I carried out a very, very great deal of in-depth, scholarly research into it, starting in 1994 (using those things called books… I’ve read more than 1500 [fifteen hundred] high-quality, scholarly books on that subject; many of them having been written by properly-informed, spiritually-enlightened scientists, doctors, nurses, psychiatrists, lawyers, etc etc, around the world).

Jel
Jel
Jul 16, 2022 9:59 AM
Reply to  Kika

Go to the seashore. Take a ruler with you.

Hold the ruler parallel to the line between water and sky.
If the line follows to the ruler: proof of flat earth.
If the line make a curve: think about why.

Kika
Kika
Jul 16, 2022 1:25 PM
Reply to  Jel

You’re right Jel. Its called See Level. Water is always flat (finds its own level) and will never remain in a curved position. Perhaps we do live on a plane-t?

Gravity? Look at your washing machine next time it spins the clothes.

Look at the budget for space research – its billions of dollars and increasing, and just for producing photo-shoped images.

I’m now 77 and more than ever, I’m opening my mind to possibilities I would never have considered previously. This is very exciting and I like to do a lot of researching and pondering before I reach any conclusions.

My apologies for being off-topic and do not wish to offend. I’ll stop now.

Bob the Hod
Bob the Hod
Jul 16, 2022 3:01 PM
Reply to  Kika

Your clothes going round and round in your washing machine is caused by centrifugal force, which can be stronger than gravity, (which is a weak force but one that has an effect over vast distances) if something is spun fast enough.

Flat Earth is a classic turd in the punch bowl which makes truthers look ridiculous and is constantly wheeled out by TV believers in order to discredit valid, factful opinions and arguments which upset their faith. It is easily disproved by simple, repeatable experiments which you personally can conduct and observe.

NickM
NickM
Jul 16, 2022 7:32 AM
Reply to  WillianHill

Even in primary school Grades 1 and 2 we learned about Pharoah’s dream of Seven Fat Years and Seven Lean Years. One cannot call the present Brussels Bureaucrats childish because even we primary school children got the message from Vizier Joseph. Was it really 50 years ago that I was writing to the newspaper: One day we Europeans will be thankful for our Grain Mountains, our Wine Lakes and our Butter Slides?

Only an organization which, like the European Commission, has become riddled with financial corruption and incompetent nepotism could — without blushing for very shame — be simultaneously warning the public of food shortages and forcing farmers to grow less food.

Vagabard
Vagabard
Jul 16, 2022 7:52 AM
Reply to  NickM

Even in primary school Grades 1 and 2 we learned about Pharoah’s dream of Seven Fat Years and Seven Lean Years.

Verses that could easily be read today as the weakening of Europe via Ukraine. Especially with the “blighted by the east wind” (Russia?):

“…I also saw in my dream seven ears growing on one stalk, full and good; and seven ears, withered, thin, and blighted by the east wind, sprouted after them, and the thin ears swallowed up the seven good ears. And I told it to the magicians, but there was no one who could explain it to me…”

(Genesis 41 vs. 22-24, RSV)

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis+41&version=RSV

mgeo
mgeo
Jul 16, 2022 9:14 AM
Reply to  WillianHill

Besides the selective subsidies, food farming in the “free world” depends on “free” trade treaties, tariffs, claims of dumping, claims of tainted food, embargoes (“sanctions”), bombing of food stores, incineration of fields, bio-weapons against crops/animals…

WillianHill
WillianHill
Jul 15, 2022 11:06 PM

Google, Facebook, amazon and Blackrock are all a part of the corporate fascist entity that is the US empire.

As a arm of the US deep state, Blackrock are using trillions in freshly printed, soon to be worthless dollars, artificially kept high through military action in the Ukraine, & market manipulation, to buy up distressed but productive agricultural land & businesses driven to bankruptcy, at home and overseas.
They buy up entire sectors of the economy, destroyed by Green & Covid policies, given fake legitimacy by compromised scientist, entrapped by the CIA’s Einstein operation & promised a seat at the right hand side of god & implemented by traitors, CIA compromised politicians, like American Johnson, Mackinsey’s Macron, Uniliver’s mark Rutter, Scholz & Mario Draghi.

The beautiful symmetry of US empire….all working together…..to loot the world. The most important thing is that you don’t know it is the USA behind all of it, so they have a solution for that too…hence the CIA’s creation of the pantomime nazi Klaus Schwab, and the fantasy of a globalist conspiracy under the control of the WEF, all of which points away from the US criminals and their corporate agents behind it all.

GR-Watch
GR-Watch
Jul 16, 2022 4:20 AM
Reply to  WillianHill

“hence the CIA’s creation of the pantomime nazi Klaus Schwab”

I’ve always wondered how the WEF, a non-US organisation, is allowed to exert so much control on governments everywhere

NickM
NickM
Jul 16, 2022 6:11 AM
Reply to  GR-Watch

Bribery: the revolving door. The most spectacular example in Britain being those two Labour Prime Minister B**s — Brown and BLiar — getting Directorships in Rothschild Finance companies “For Services Rendered” in Iraq oil, Libyan oil and gold, and Quantitative Fleecing of the British public.

Vagabard
Vagabard
Jul 15, 2022 9:42 PM

The Russian winter stopped Napoleon (think ‘War and Peace‘).
The Russian winter stopped Hitler (think WWII).

And, figuratively speaking, a ‘Russian winter’ may prove to be the end of NATO’s eastward advance. Reduced gas/oil supply and escalating electricity/food prices in Europe proving to be the breaking points (even ‘in retreat’)

‘History never repeats, but it rhymes’

Difficult to imagine during a UK Summer heatwave, but winter will still come:

NickM
NickM
Jul 16, 2022 6:16 AM
Reply to  Vagabard

“Difficult to imagine [a need for energy] during a UK Summer heatwave”.

I’m surprised to hear that Britain is still lagging the U$A, where air conditioning consumes more energy in summer than in winter.

Vagabard
Vagabard
Jul 16, 2022 6:30 AM
Reply to  NickM

The Economist advises turning down air conditioning ‘a notch’, to avert any potential ‘gastastrophe’:

If you are reading this in Paris or Madrid with the air-conditioning on, turn it down a notch.

Europe’s winter of discontent – The Economist
https://www.economist.com/leaders/2022/07/14/europes-winter-of-discontent

Russia’s gas exports apparently constitute only 2% of GDP (pretty low!), so turning off the gas tap may be no big deal – for some, but not for others

But Russia can live without gas exports, which are only 2% of gdp. By turning down the taps on its pipelines, it thinks it can inflict more pain on Europe than it visits on itself.

SeamusPadraig
SeamusPadraig
Jul 16, 2022 5:00 PM
Reply to  Vagabard

But it’s not the Russians ‘turning off the taps.’ It’s the Germans.

Donald Duck
Donald Duck
Jul 16, 2022 9:17 AM
Reply to  Vagabard

Well the wars of 1812 and 1941, were the real thing. The present SMO looks like a fake war to me. Russian arms especially airborne arms, the most advanced weaponry in Russia’s armoury haven’t been able to defeat the rag-tag goose-stepping Ukrainian ‘Army’ There is something wrong here. What’s going on exactly?

Vagabard
Vagabard
Jul 16, 2022 10:45 AM
Reply to  Donald Duck

Russia could have carpet-bombed Kiev, as the US did for Baghdad, ’tis true. I think, part of what they are trying to achieve is to demonstrate that ‘Russia does things differently’, when compared to, say, the US in Iraq/Afghanistan/….

Sometime ‘how’ you win, is as, or more important, than ‘whether’ you win
(which seems a foregone conclusion anyway imho)

And then, of course, there’s the usual ‘fog of war’, which isn’t the same as things being ‘fake’
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fog_of_war

Diva
Diva
Jul 17, 2022 10:54 AM
Reply to  Vagabard

You don’t need to carpet bomb Kiev in order to simply move in with the best-equipped army in the world and reach your objectives in less than six months!

Remember how the narrative keeps changing! Remember when we were told at least 50% of the Ukraine army had folded back in MARCH? Remember when the Russians were allegedly besieging Kiev?

The PTB play us for fools and we prove them right. We lap up any bullshit, however stupid, ALL of us do. Even the supposedly awake

George Mc
George Mc
Jul 15, 2022 9:37 PM

Looking forward to hearing the whole interview. I had not realised how Ukraine was, and continues to be, a prop to convince the punters that the rulers are not all united and there really is a conflict up there yadda yadda. I had been so fixed on the role the Ukraine theatre gave to the Left to don their scary masks again and act as a genuine opposition – though the artificiality of that is clear from the anachronistic nature of their all too familiar spiel about “the hubris of the American Empire” etc. All of that is simply a more highbrow version of the Spitting Image schoolboy humour that would waft on about “Bojo the Clown” or seethe at “Trump the Chump” or whatever – though admittedly the American angle is suffused with a laughably po-faced musing on the – ahem! – threat of fascism from the orange one.

I know I’ve said it before but the resurrection of certain Left sites is amusing to watch as they strap on the old paraphernalia. In a variation of Basil Fawlty’s “Don’t mention the war!” they are now desperately avoiding all talk of “the virus(es)”. I note that the WSWS has been lovingly tending to covid on the back burner and are presently suckling the new infant monkeypox. All ready to go again. And it will be interesting to see how the other plastic Lefties respond when this febrile phoenix makes a comeback.

moneycircus
moneycircus
Jul 16, 2022 4:24 AM
Reply to  George Mc

To spread “rumours, gossip and lies” is merely to contradict the government, even as the government contradicts itself.

A delicious example of staying in lockstep with the changing narrative is the story of Ray Epps at the Jan 6th events. He was identified by the lefty version of Bellingcat digital sleuths – supposedly grassroots citizen journalists who work closely with military propagandists.

They identified the most prominent agitator outside the Capitol, and plastered his face on wanted posters, until the FBI suddenly removed it, while singularly failing to arrest or interview Ray Epps.

Like the speed skater and Olympic hopeful John Sullivan, Epps seems to be a Federal asset, plant, provocateur and one of the instigators of the “incursion”.

So the NYT has been forced to explain away the Left’s own “outing” of Epps, by saying he is the victim of harrassment by “far right conspiracists.” The hack job was given to the delightfully Trotskyesque figure of Alan Feuer, pictured in the link (left) juxtaposed with Epps (right).

https://www.revolver.news/2022/07/the-hidden-agenda-behind-new-york-times-desperate-ray-epps-puff-piece/

Lost in a dark wood
Lost in a dark wood
Jul 15, 2022 8:25 PM

Who’s Afraid of the Brzezinski Playbook?

Okay; the gap in my understanding is why didn’t these “5D chess players” figure this out before sending in the columns of tanks – given that it now appears to be a textbook example of “fool me twice”? And with regard to Ukraine, note the deterrence element in Brzezinski’s statement.

BTW: the insurgency strategy wasn’t invented by Brzezinski or the CIA. But it was adapted and exploited to trigger the collapse of the Soviet Union.

Brzezinski:

If Ukraine has to be supported so that it does resist, the Ukrainians have to know the West is prepared to help them resist. And there’s no reason to be secretive about it. It would be much better to be open about it and to say to the Ukrainians and to those who may threaten Ukraine that if Ukrainians resist, they will have weapons. And we’ll provide some of those weapons in advance of the very act of invasion. Because in the absence of that, the temptation to invade and to preempt may become overwhelming. But what kind of weapons is important. And in my view, they should be weapons designed particularly to permit the Ukrainians to engage in effective urban warfare of resistance.

https://libertarianinstitute.org/articles/brzezinskis-proxy-war-playbook
Brzezinski’s Proxy War Playbook
by Patrick Macfarlane
Jun 22, 2022

https://davidicke.com/2022/07/06/the-ukrainian-people-are-being-used-like-pawns-in-a-game-david-icke
The Ukrainian People Are Being Used Like Pawns In A Game
David Icke
6 July 2022

wardropper
wardropper
Jul 15, 2022 11:05 PM

Of course we are ALL being used like pawns in a game.

Lost in a dark wood
Lost in a dark wood
Jul 15, 2022 11:37 PM
Reply to  wardropper

Despite his pretensions, Icke is very much a pawn in somebody else’s game. With regard to the Ukrainians, my understanding is that they are in the process of rediscovering a national identity and reclaiming national sovereignty; and they are prepared to fight for that cause. But, of course, there are power centres which want Putin to win, whereas there are others which want the Ukrainians to win.

Donald Duck
Donald Duck
Jul 16, 2022 9:28 AM

‘Putin wants to win’ Really? All those hypersonic weapons at his disposal – zircon, kinzhal, Iskander missiles are just laying idle. And the Russians are being so-careful about inflicting any collateral damage – perish the thought. Oh, and then just let the Ukies bombard Donetsk city without giving any thought to Russian civilians. That will do. And BTW where is the Russian Airforce!? Using it of course would be unfair since the Ukies don’t have an airforce.

SeamusPadraig
SeamusPadraig
Jul 16, 2022 5:11 PM
Reply to  Donald Duck

Putin is obviously not interested in flattening Western Ukraine; he wants to liberate Eastern Ukraine — with the minimum amount of damage and civilian loss of life possible. That’s why there’ll be no German-style Blitzkrieg. The Russians regard Eastern Ukrainians as there own, as ethnic Russians, whereas Hitler did not regard the Polacks as being his own.

Diva
Diva
Jul 17, 2022 11:03 AM
Reply to  SeamusPadraig

You’re repeating that because you read it somewhere. Think about how much sense it really makes. You don’t fight a defensive war to win. The only way to “liberate” eastern Ukraine is to take out Western Ukraine’s ability to wage war. Anything else is useless without that, and will only result in more suffering. The only explanation for what Russia is doing is that the plan is for the war to drag on. It’s not even a real war. It’s a “special operation” aimed at distracting people from the fact east and west are both introducing the global prison.

WillianHill
WillianHill
Jul 15, 2022 11:23 PM

”The Ukrainian People Are Being Used Like Pawns In A Game”

The game is to weaken the euro to make the dollar look strong.

Lost in a dark wood
Lost in a dark wood
Jul 15, 2022 11:49 PM
Reply to  WillianHill

It’s very much more extensive than that; existential even! The game is the Khazarian reset and Ukraine is the mother of all keystones. To get some indication of the significance, I suggest starting with the following by Mike Pompeo.

Michael Pompeo: War, Ukraine, and a Global Alliance for Freedom
Jun 24, 2022
Hudson Institute

Putin’s war on Ukraine is a pivotal event in post-Cold War politics; this unjust war seeks to annihilate the existence of a free and independent country. What does this portend for world democracies? How does it impact America’s ongoing top strategic priority that centers on the existential threat from China? Why should a machinist in Wichita or a schoolteacher in Des Moines care about what happens in the Donbas?

Hudson’s Distinguished Fellow, the 70th U.S. Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, will deliver a major speech to answer all these questions followed by a conversation with Distinguished Fellow Walter Russell Mead.

Transcript:
https://www.hudson.org/events/2122-virtual-event-war-ukraine-and-a-global-alliance-for-freedom62022

Rhys Jaggar
Rhys Jaggar
Jul 16, 2022 7:28 AM

The thing with people like Brzezinski is that they are totally cold about human sacrifices to achieve ‘strategic goals’. The only thing they care about is whether the public will tolerate them or not. Not that sacrificing humans to serve his ego is wrong, oh no. It’s only about Brzezinski staying in unaccountable power.

Never once does a Brzezinzki strategy have the death of Brzezinski as an acceptable outcome.

It’s long beyond time that it did.

See if these global psychopaths are prepared to ‘die so that others might live’.

I think we all know that they expect billions of others to die ‘so that they might live in greater prosperity’.

Lost in a dark wood
Lost in a dark wood
Jul 16, 2022 8:24 AM
Reply to  Rhys Jaggar

With regard to Ukraine, the Brzezinski playbook was intended to serve as a deterrence; i.e. it was supposed to prevent aggression. He states:

https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/natosource/brzezinski-the-west-should-arm-ukraine
The West Should Arm Ukraine
By Zbigniew Brzezinski
July 2, 2014
I feel that we should make it clear to the Ukrainians that if they are determined to resist, as they say they are and seemingly they are trying to do so (albeit not very effectively), we will provide them with anti-tank weapons, hand-held anti-tank weapons, hand-held rockets—weapons capable for use in urban short range fighting. This is not an arming of Ukraine for some invasion of Russia. You don’t invade a country as large as Russia with defensive weaponry. But if you have defensive weaponry and you have access to it and know it’s arriving, you’re more likely to resist. And hence that acts as deterrent . . .

The problem with the deterrence strategy is that it presupposes some level of rationality in the potential aggressor. However, where the aggressor has crossed the line into rabid insanity, there needs to be a more forceful backstop. Consequently, the insurgency strategy achieved two main outcomes:
a) it inflicted massive damage on the Russian forces while pushing them back from their original objectives; i.e. to take major cities including Kyiv.
b) it allowed time for the implementation of the secondary strategy; i.e. equipping Ukrainian forces with advanced weapons.

https://southfront.org/ukraine-has-received-first-m270-multiple-launch-rocket-system-from-its-western-allies
Ukraine Has Received First M270 Multiple Launch Rocket System From Its Western Allies
July 15, 2022

Ukraine is set to receive a total of nine MLRSs from its Western allies. The UK will provide three M270B1 MLRS launchers, Norway will supply three outdated M270 launchers, which will be upgraded in the UK, and Germany will supply three M270A1 MARS II launchers. In addition, the US has committed to supply a total of the very similar 12 HIMARS systems to Ukraine. Most of these systems have been already delivered.

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SeamusPadraig
SeamusPadraig
Jul 16, 2022 5:13 PM
Reply to  Rhys Jaggar

Brzezinski is goyishe Kissinger.

Lost in a dark wood
Lost in a dark wood
Jul 17, 2022 11:08 AM

The point of this “reveal” in January 2022 was to warn Putin that there existed a well-trained, special-forces, Ukrainian insurgency. Yet Putin still went ahead with the invasion!

https://libertarianinstitute.org/articles/brzezinskis-proxy-war-playbook
In January 2022, a month before the Russian invasion of Ukraine, it was revealed by U.S. intelligence officials that the CIA had been providing covert assistance to the Ukrainian military since 2014. The program began under Barack Obama, was expanded under Donald Trump, and continued under Joe Biden. According to Yahoo News:

The multiweek, U.S.-based CIA program has included training in firearms, camouflage techniques, land navigation, tactics like “cover and move,” intelligence and other areas, according to former officials.

…The program has involved “very specific training on skills that would enhance” the Ukrainians’ “ability to push back against the Russians,” said the former senior intelligence official.

The training, which has included “tactical stuff,” is “going to start looking pretty offensive if Russians invade Ukraine,” said the former official.

One person familiar with the program put it more bluntly. “The United States is training an insurgency,” said a former CIA official, adding that the program has taught the Ukrainians how “to kill Russians.”

https://news.yahoo.com/cia-trained-ukrainian-paramilitaries-may-take-central-role-if-russia-invades-185258008.html
CIA-trained Ukrainian paramilitaries may take central role if Russia invades
Zach Dorfman – National Security Correspondent
January 13, 2022

Edwige
Edwige
Jul 15, 2022 8:00 PM

https://dumptheguardian.com/world/2022/jul/15/uk-covid-infections-soar-by-almost-30-in-a-week

Looks teed up for the new leader to introduce new restrictions and for freedom to be tarred with the discredited old regime.

NixonScraypes
NixonScraypes
Jul 15, 2022 8:36 PM
Reply to  Edwige

Why haven’t I seen 1 in 25 people struck down? ! Or for that matter, any vax casualties? I gave up the mainstream years ago and it looks as if the alternative will have to go the same way.

George Mc
George Mc
Jul 15, 2022 10:46 PM
Reply to  Edwige

From the Graud:

a leading epidemiologist called for a return of free lateral flow tests.

Well sure. What else would they spend the money on? It’s not as if folks are in need of anything actually useful!

Grafter
Grafter
Jul 16, 2022 11:43 AM
Reply to  George Mc

Sorcery and witchcraft.

jubal hershaw
jubal hershaw
Jul 16, 2022 12:44 AM
Reply to  Edwige

I think it was on The Conservative Woman (TCW) where i read a couple of months ago that someone who detested Boris Johnson preferred him over likely replacements. The reason given was that he had resisted greater restrictions being imposed, and had resisted pressures for more lockdowns. I keep TCW persons opinion in mind.
There’s always enough scandalous behaviour by a politician that can be used to arouse the WASPs.
Timing is everything. The way Boris was abandoned by his ministers was orchestrated. (I wont say it was over a storm in a teacup, even though it was). That some of the first to jump ship were those who wanted severer restrictions, and their doing so as the latest testdemic was taking off should be grounds for a Conspiracy Theory

Grafter
Grafter
Jul 16, 2022 11:42 AM
Reply to  Edwige

‘Soaring’ and ‘surging’. Give it a rest. These parrots need their necks wrung.

Willem
Willem
Jul 15, 2022 7:10 PM
Paul Watson
Paul Watson
Jul 15, 2022 6:50 PM

“Do you trust what your government is telling you”
Hmm let me think 🤔

Stop The Prison Mentality
Stop The Prison Mentality
Jul 15, 2022 8:10 PM
Reply to  Paul Watson

LOL, yeah. To be asking that question after the last two and a half years, and still counting, SMH. Seriously FFS, people need to get over their Stockholm Syndrome now, I’m fucking over it. It’s like watching someone drown in knee deep water willfully blind to the reality that all they need do is stand up.

George Mc
George Mc
Jul 15, 2022 9:15 PM
Reply to  Paul Watson

Trouble is that it’s not just the government but the entire rotten edifice of our consumer culture entertainment sewer. The journalists, the academics, the “celebrities”, the comedians, the “rebel” rockers, the ever-so-subversive talking heads, the representatives of those “dissident” political groups, the “dissident” groups themselves etc. It feels like being Mia Farrow in Rosemary’s Baby when the whole fucking neighbourhood around her are Satanists and she’s been impregnated by the Devil.

wardropper
wardropper
Jul 15, 2022 11:09 PM
Reply to  George Mc

Something like that has undoubtedly happened…
That movie was a warm-up act.

jiin
jiin
Jul 15, 2022 5:24 PM

Will Offg be allowed to record it and post it on this site..?
or is it (iconic) exclusive content only.?