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WATCH: Autodidacticism #SolutionsWatch

Who said education was boring? On the contrary. Knowing more about the world, improving your skills and achieving success is electrifying and addictive.

But first you have to learn how to learn.

Autodidacticism is the process of learning about a skill or a subject without a formal teacher, and today Richard Grove of GetAutonomy.info is here to help us get started on the lifelong quest of self-improvement and self-learning.

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niko
niko
Jul 26, 2022 10:32 PM

Most of the genuine and valuable knowledge I’ve learned has been found outside of and contrary to the industrial schooling which has been institutionalized as education in our, or rather their (ruling class) society, where we are units on assembly lines of socialization as resources for profit and power.

To be sure, there have been exceptional teachers, free thinkers, and doers, in the ranks of students’ jailers in the carceral factories of this social engineering, who inspired me and others with their example. Generally, as I eventually experienced as well, they didn’t last long in their noncompliance with authority.

To some extent I’d call my journeys and adventures in learning and living autodidacticism. But whatever has been self-taught has been likewise dependent on others both before me, within the cumulative history of human labor, and within present contexts where what’s learned is shared in vital associations providing meaning and purpose to knowledge, especially in posing alternatives to established knowledge used against us for the rationalized irrationality of class-based societies.

I only seem able to remember now times when such shared journeys and adventures were more common. There’s been a progressive enclosure of the commons of learning and living by all sorts of means, above all in ‘our’ digital (c)age, to lock us down in self-imprisoned indoctrination and conditioning, an advanced form of idiocy, privatized consciousness, and technological barbarism, which prepares people to altogether lose any human autonomy within the biodigital rule of AI.

The necessity to de-school society, as Ivan Illich put it, and recover the embodied freedom of communal forms of learning and living, anarchy in action (cf. Colin Ward), is now or never.

Antonym
Antonym
Jul 27, 2022 7:22 AM
Reply to  niko

Internet has enabled self learning enormously.

John Ervin
John Ervin
Jul 27, 2022 9:04 PM
Reply to  Antonym

That’s a VERY 2-edged “sword” and I lie awake wondering just how much we know, or even yet suspect, about the other, sharper edge.

(Ed Curtin has written well, and posted here, about some relevant aspects of “all that”.)

As Jefferson wrote, “Never take the bait… until you’ve looked to see if there’s a hook concealed.”

The internet, specifically developed by Nazi DARPA as an Intelligence weapon (though like all things DARPA they equivocate that as “defense”… 100 years ago the “Department of Defense” was named “Department of War”) is a very tangled Web they weave, when first they practice to deceive.

Their capabilities for deception have increased explosively, with us their frequent targets; but there is good news too, like you say.

It just seems the jury is still very out as yet.

niko
niko
Jul 28, 2022 9:57 PM
Reply to  Antonym

Digital technology has made that possible, but privatization and enclosure of its public commons by corporate state power, following similar (forgotten) history of print and electronic media like radio and television, has disabled more open source democratization on which self-learning is based.

Computers and the internet, like most other major industrial developments, originated from the state and military, and once publicly funded R&D permitted their wider incorporation into the political economy, they were transferred to private controllers. A lot of their libertarian potential seemed hijacked as advertising and promotional hype (revolution out of garages of Silicon Valley) for the purpose of selling product far and wide in bait-and-switch style to set up the adequate base for population control, including by virtue of what the nature of electronic media, as with EMFs, allows in this respect.

Here’s one critical review, raising more questions than it answers, of some of the different variables for assessing pros and (mostly) cons, or what John Ervin calls the 2-edged sword, involved with the digital age: Stare Into The Lights My Pretties; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5qJjNM2Kx0.

Antonym
Antonym
Jul 26, 2022 4:52 PM

The etymology of “school”;
a) from Greek skholē “spare time, leisure, rest, ease; idleness; that in which leisure is employed; learned discussion;”
b) [large number of fish] late 14c., scole, from Middle Dutch schole (Dutch school) “group of fish or other animals” (porpoises, whales), which is cognate with Old English scolu “band, troop, crowd of fish,”

Self learners will agree most with a), while the majority is with b).

Very few kids have the self-discipline and perseverance to walk the lonely a) track; a school is in the first place a social gathering place to meet similar age group acquaintances and possibly also to make friends – even attractive for self learners.

fertility
fertility
Jul 26, 2022 5:50 PM
Reply to  Antonym

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Edwige
Edwige
Jul 26, 2022 2:52 PM

The WEF are pushing some woman who’s a “bibliotherapist”. Read books for therapy, not to learn stuff! Her motto is apparently that escapist reading should not be a guilty pleasure.

Why would they rather you read a ghost story or a book about fluffy animals than Carroll Quigley or Antony Sutton or Suzanne Humphries? That’s a tough one….

John Ervin
John Ervin
Jul 26, 2022 5:11 PM
Reply to  Edwige

WEF: divert, distract, deflect, derange, deride, decimate, distort, deceive, divide ALL things and persons of public interest so there is ever more for us and ever less for all of you.

The “reductio ad absurdum” of Capitalismo to a virus.

“And it is a strictly objective fact that there are such types of capitalists, such types of reactionaries. And there is no doubt that the worst type of capitalism is nazism; the worst type of imperialism was nazism. And the most criminal mentality was the mentality of imperialism in its nazi form. And so there is a whole series of degrees in these questions.”

[Excerpt from Fidel Castro Speech 11.23.63: “Concerning the Facts and Consequences of the Tragic Death of President John F. Kennedy”]

Placental_Mammal
Placental_Mammal
Jul 26, 2022 11:37 AM

Intriguing

There were some interesting books on their shelves. The Tower of Basel was one, Dope Inc another. I would prefer an interview discussing one or the other or both.

sabelmouse
sabelmouse
Jul 26, 2022 10:43 AM

un-school!

John Ervin
John Ervin
Jul 26, 2022 3:14 PM
Reply to  sabelmouse

Be too cool for school?

As a medium with message, McLuhan smiles.

sabelmouse
sabelmouse
Jul 26, 2022 4:51 PM
Reply to  John Ervin

defs

les online
les online
Jul 26, 2022 4:56 AM

Autodidacticism runs a very poor second to television’s didactic hypnopaedia…

lotuseater
lotuseater
Jul 26, 2022 8:25 AM
Reply to  les online

May run second but it’s light years ahead…

Thinktwice
Thinktwice
Jul 26, 2022 4:02 AM

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Xavier Delacroix
Xavier Delacroix
Jul 26, 2022 10:12 AM
Reply to  Thinktwice

On the other hand, not many anti-vaxxers readily recognise the truth of the statement that if you take the Covid vaccine (and any number of boosters) you won’t get Covid. Biden was being truthful.
 
You won’t get Covid because it doesn’t exist. It’s a psyop.
 
Therefore, you also won’t get Covid even if you don’t take the jab, so 99.8% is untrue. It’s 100%.
 
However, the jab is real, its side effects are dire (depending upon batch), and its ultimate effects are mortal.
 
Influenza (delle stelle) exists even so (albeit non-viral), and as The Earth’s magnetic field is further disrupted, some cases are likely to be of greater severity.

Placental_Mammal
Placental_Mammal
Jul 26, 2022 11:28 AM
Reply to  Thinktwice

..99.8% protected against what ?

Thinktwice
Thinktwice
Jul 26, 2022 3:19 AM

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lotuseater
lotuseater
Jul 26, 2022 8:32 AM
Reply to  Thinktwice

Earlier there used to be something called choosing the lesser of two evils. Those days are gone, now the choice is between full on evil and full on evil…

Human values
Human values
Jul 26, 2022 10:53 AM
Reply to  lotuseater

When people choose the lesser of two evils, they choose evil.

That’s how evil operates and has operated.

John Ervin
John Ervin
Jul 26, 2022 10:44 PM
Reply to  Human values

A quote from “the poet laureate of low life” Charles Bukowski (though I never met him, we were near enough neighbours when I lived in Long Beach in thec1980s, and then he was notoriously married by the founder of PRS, MPH, not at all a kudo but a caveat):

“The problem was, you had to keep choosing between one evil or another, and no matter what you chose they sliced another piece off you until nothing was left. At the age of 25 most people were finished. A whole god****ed nation of a***oles, driving automobiles, eating, having babies, doing everything in the worst way possible, like voting for the presidential candidate who reminds them the most of the themselves.”

That appears as the epigraph on its own page, beginning Greg Palast’s “The Best Democracy Money Can Buy”

Though I see that as simply a caricature, though recognizable in the real, such out of drawing can still instruct and warn.

It may seem we haven’t a real choice, but that isn’t really so. Most people here feel driven, pressured, censured or else, ostracized for their honesty, but who is that who is holding that gun to their head? Is it really loaded, or does mere fear “load” it?!

I retired from all that when I was 21, but I have had a not unfruitful retirement and now, just turning 70, feel ready and rested to come out of retirement, younger than spring, at least at my core. (Less so the appendages, but I still make 3 point bombs aplenty, if only with 1 eye, the left one! It’s all good, we’re not here forever, even so, so let’s get on with it!)

£4£$4$ _________

“The reasons you give for accommodating the Evil One are not your own but those of the evil one.”

~ Franz Kafka

“So don’t get discouraged, don’t get lost. Keep on keepin’ on.”

ZenPriest
ZenPriest
Jul 26, 2022 8:55 PM
Reply to  lotuseater

Not if you don’t vote. You choose something else – non-compliance. Starve the system, stop paying tax, council tax etc. It’s the most moral and effective action.

wardropper
wardropper
Jul 27, 2022 12:05 AM
Reply to  Thinktwice

This was true in Thatcher’s day.
Since then, all the other political parties have caught up.
Our current woes have literally nothing to do with party politics.

Yes. The Tories are appalling.
But so is the rest of Washminster.

Thinktwice
Thinktwice
Jul 26, 2022 3:16 AM

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Paul Watson
Paul Watson
Jul 26, 2022 7:42 AM
Reply to  Thinktwice

All rotten to the core.
Lying, self serving globalists.
Enemies of the people.
Complicit in genocide.

wardropper
wardropper
Jul 26, 2022 4:52 PM
Reply to  Paul Watson

Where do they even come from?
Are they spotted by ‘talent scouts’ in secondary school or college, and groomed for future use?
We didn’t have more than one or two completely immoral specimens in any classroom when I was at school, and the teachers abhorred them.
Now the teachers are every bit as abhorrent.
What happened?
ALL the ‘successful’ politicians and educators today have had their souls surgically removed.

John Ervin
John Ervin
Jul 26, 2022 10:53 PM
Reply to  wardropper

NOTA BENE: please refer to my Bukowski quote upthread, “At the age of 25…….”

It’s a process. The system grinds them, but you either have to have epic discipline and acting skills, or just set your sails, against those compromising winds.

In other countries those winds can be very strong, too, but here in USA they are rarely less than gale force.

So, I just always duck out of them, as far as that goes. Why oppose them, better just to avoid them. Not always, but more than people think as an option.

Most are hypnotized by constant pressures to think they can’t? O really?!

What if, instead of protesting or marching in the streets, millions of people just cooperated less and less!

But to do so takes true practice in mindfulness.

Only the humble survive.

Albert Anderson
Albert Anderson
Jul 26, 2022 2:09 AM

I taught myself how to not believe a damn word that any politician and the oligarchy-controlled media say. It’s easy, all you need to do is not believe a damn word they say or write. After a while it becomes second nature. I also taught myself to stop saying there is a Covid-19 and an accompanying “vaccine”. Every time someone would say, or I would read, about the virus is this and that and the vaccine this and that, I just continued to repeat, “there is no Covid-19 virus”, and “it’s not a vaccine”. After awhile, it becomes second nature. More should try it.

John Ervin
John Ervin
Jul 28, 2022 6:45 AM

I do all that, at least. I began 3.11.20. Early in the “game”.

TheBurningHouse
TheBurningHouse
Jul 26, 2022 1:39 AM

Hm, I never knew it was called Autodidacticism, it’s just how I was taught to learn from birth. So thanks OffG, good to see this kind of thing.

Zane
Zane
Jul 26, 2022 1:18 AM

Neurosurgery is perhaps one discipline not so amenable to autodidactism. 😃

rob2
rob2
Jul 26, 2022 1:29 AM
Reply to  Zane

Ha! My daughter said the same thing! (I was reading some of the earlier comments outloud).

eman
eman
Jul 26, 2022 4:49 AM
Reply to  Zane

Robots that do neuro surgery often tell me they know all they will ever know so don’t bother them with learning anything.

Zane
Zane
Jul 26, 2022 5:30 AM
Reply to  eman

Who programmed those robots?

John Ervin
John Ervin
Jul 27, 2022 9:09 PM
Reply to  Zane

Postgrad profs

Xavier Delacroix
Xavier Delacroix
Jul 26, 2022 10:26 AM
Reply to  Zane

You’ll be surprised to hear that DIY trepanning is a thing then.

Even in recent times, people queued up to get a graphene oxide coated nasopharyngeal swab poked close to their cranial cavity (and had their poor kids suffer the same).

I’d rather have a full bottle in front of me, than a full frontal lobotomy.

Neurosurgery isn’t even amenable to trial & error by professionals. The brain is simply not amenable to repair – it wasn’t built to be. Resilient, sure.

Johnny
Johnny
Jul 26, 2022 10:38 AM

Unlike plumbers, surgeons (and doctors) can bury their mistakes.

jimbojames
jimbojames
Jul 26, 2022 12:22 PM

True story: My dad visits my mum in a nursing home. For at least a year now I haven’t visited (been allowed to visit) because of b.s. “rules.”

In the beginning of the b.s., when I refused to submit to their “tests,” they made accommodations (once or twice, and maybe a third time) to visit with my mom thru a window with me on the exterior of the building and we could talk on the phone. That, for some reason or other I can’t remember, stopped and I haven’t seen my mom in a long time, can’t quite recall how long but way over a year.

A while back I started writing a letter, explaining that they must allow me to see my mom but I never finished it because I’m a schmoe, and over that time I’ve periodically asked if their b.s. rules are still in place. My dad would say yeah they are. He loves them.

Anyways, yesterday, I spoke to my dad and asked him if they were still “testing” or making people do whatever stupid shit they claim is necessary to “keep people safe” (lol). He told me yeah they are, and I asked him what they were.

Now, mind you my dad visits my mom once or twice a week (I know, I know it’s awful don’t get me started) and he said they make him do a couple of things. My dad is not very good about coughing up details (ha-ha, no pun intended) so I have to tease it out of him. He told me that, perhaps among other things, he has to stick a q-tip up his nose– mind you, not a nurse, not in a sanitary place, but in the hallway–stick a q-tip up his nose (both nostrils!) himself!

I honestly can’t believe it because it’s so pathetically stupid, but he insisted that it is so. Besides being stupid, it’s dangerous, and lots of other things that aren’t coming to mind.

Anywho, I asked him to ask them to make whatever arrangements they need to do so that I may see my mom. I told him I’d be willing to do the window thing again, they can wheel her outside, anything (short of complying with their insane, evil dictates). I told him I have a right (not a privilege) to see and visit my mom, blah, blah, blah. My dad’s big on that stuff (not the rights part, the seeing my mom part). He said he would. I’m not holding my breath.

Xavier Delacroix
Xavier Delacroix
Jul 26, 2022 3:42 PM
Reply to  jimbojames

1) Don’t let anyone go to a thanatorium unless it’s beyond your power to prevent them (or you think their final days will be more comfortable there).

2) If you’ve done so, and realise you’ve made a mistake, your only option is pretty much to kidnap them, and you may need the help of someone who doesn’t mind being compromised by jabs/tests.

Don’t forget, you can’t get unjabbed. I wouldn’t put too much hope in the rumours that there are ways of enabling the body to rid itself of the contaminant.

Sok
Sok
Jul 27, 2022 8:52 AM
Reply to  jimbojames

Write message on brick……..

John Ervin
John Ervin
Jul 26, 2022 1:34 PM
Reply to  Zane

How about pandemic policy?

Helena
Helena
Jul 26, 2022 12:28 AM

Autodidactism is cool, but not when people are trying to make money out of it. A course for autodidactism? No…

John Ervin
John Ervin
Jul 26, 2022 3:16 PM
Reply to  Helena

Seems like a de facto conflict?

wardropper
wardropper
Jul 26, 2022 4:57 PM
Reply to  Helena

Indeed.
This is not something even to talk about.
Just do it, I say.

Ort
Ort
Jul 26, 2022 8:40 PM
Reply to  Helena

Only oxymorons would enroll in an autodidactics course.

It would be like publishing a book called Autodidacticism, Self-Taught. I call that taughtological!  😉 

bleak
bleak
Jul 25, 2022 10:31 PM

At last, a Corbett platitude I can get on with. After all that agorism and voluntarism, he hits one ‘out of the park.’

Speaking of baseball, does anyone realize that baseball was created by Freemasons? Everything about baseball, from the number of players, bases, innings, pitch counts, the shape of the field (ie the square and compass symbol of FM) various names like “the mound”, “home plate”… everything in baseball… has a symbolic correspondence with Freemasonry. Thus, the “National Pastime” of the US is really a mockery of every single player, coach, and fan who ever sat in the bleachers and enjoyed a game.

Not that I don’t enjoy baseball (should say “didn’t” since I’ll probable never watch another game for the rest of my life). It’s a great sport and was fun as hell to attend games from the “majors” to little league. But just like “holly wood” know what it is the hell you’re watching.

I got my own autodidacticisms like semiotics. No one talks very much about semiotics but I believe it is one of the keys to “freeing the mind” and deciphering the multitudinous “signs and signifiers” we are bombarded with.

Take for example this article…
The Semiotics of COVID-19 and the Social Amplification of Risk
https://safetyrisk.net/the-semiotics-of-covid-19-and-the-social-amplification-of-risk/

Our perception is profoundly conditioned by what we see and what is shown to us [citation]. How we absorb hidden unconscious messages through semiotics is critical to understanding the amplification and attenuation of risk.

What if more people knew and used semiotics? Looking at “covid” and “vaccinations” would not be the same. Looking at a stop sign would not be the same. Why isn’t semiotics talked about more?

Semiotics for Beginners
https://www.cs.princeton.edu/~chazelle/courses/BIB/semio2.htm

Where does autodidacticism fall short? Experience. Autodidacticism is great but nothing replaces experience backed with rectitude and moral objectivism (immutable Law).

Some things can’t be taught or learned with anything other than experience. I read about various Theophany’s in the Bible. God spoke to this person, a Roman soldier has an “experience” and becomes a different person, someone is taken up into the higher realms and learns the secrets of existence… there are many. I read about them but I do not know them. I read the words and say “Wow, cool, is it true? What does it really mean? Should I take it in the literal sense or is there a deeper and hidden meaning? Would a teacher have some insight that I’m not grasping?”

“When the student is ready, the teacher will appear” I guess was of Theosophical origin but regardless, it might be true.

A man can estrange himself from himself by mystifying himself and others. He can also have what he does stolen from him by the agency of others.

If we are stripped of experience, we are stripped of our deeds; and if our deeds are, so to speak, taken out of our hands like toys from the hands of children, we are bereft of our humanity. We cannot be deceived. Men can and do destroy the humanity of other men, and the condition of this possibility is that we are interdependent.

Each person may take two fundamentally distinguishable forms of action in this interpersonal system. Each may act on his own experience or upon the other person’s experience, and there is no other form of personal action possible within this system.

– R.D. Laing, The Politics of Experience, 1967

James R
James R
Jul 25, 2022 11:15 PM
Reply to  bleak

I can’t be the only one to have noticed the semiotic resemblance of the image of the so called virus to the potent imagery of twentieth century sea mines. The virus is always depicted as a sexed-up version of that dreaded lurking, explosive potential: their silent uncertain presence, their post war persistence wherever they wash up, and of course, the deadly, oh so sensitive spikes.

They’re probably having a laugh somewhere between the Admiralty, Getty images and Porton Down’s syndrome.

Patrick L.
Patrick L.
Jul 26, 2022 1:01 AM
Reply to  James R

Thank you. I knew the evil spiky grapefruit reminded me of something. The memory was bobbing below the surface.

jimbo
jimbo
Jul 26, 2022 6:09 AM
Reply to  James R

Quite similar to the medieval morning star and ball and chain flail. Both adorned with multiple spikes

John Ervin
John Ervin
Jul 25, 2022 11:40 PM
Reply to  bleak

Interesting stuff. I never began with Freemasons as my point on the compass, pointing them out, lol, but I keep stumbling upon their trails, all over, and all over key nexuses. Of course, having a physical birth father deeply connected to their biz (ecjlaw com : note their main phone number) hasn’t helped my original disinterest.

I’m a total fan of RD Laing ever since I read his brilliant memoir 10 years past, “Wisdom, Madness, and Folly” absolutely scintillating with insights. (Plus, he was immersed in piano interests, which helps me connect to it, as I have often been.) His quote, there, of Antonin Artaud, “So a sick society invented psychiatry to defend itself from the divinations of certain visionaries…”

And he adds then, early in that primer, “I had been trained to diagnose myself psychotic.”

Hear, hear!

All, or too much, of that is simply the fallout of:

“333 = WWW”

The roots of that counterfeit, or forgery, run quite deep. But not unracinateable…

Patrick L.
Patrick L.
Jul 26, 2022 12:28 AM
Reply to  John Ervin

The Divided Self is essential reading, deeply humane and painfully insightful, one of the great books of the 20th century.

Laing is now dead and buried and forgotten, replaced by Anthony Fauci, Matt Hancock, the DSM, the WHO, and Pfizer. These are The Authorities on mental, physical and emotional health. No wonder children and adolescents are in such terrific shape.

James R
James R
Jul 26, 2022 4:47 AM
Reply to  Patrick L.

May I throw Thomas Szasz into the mix?

John Ervin
John Ervin
Jul 26, 2022 1:39 PM
Reply to  Patrick L.

Laing is a prophet still (much) to be reckoned with. Divided Self was on my list, but I will be sure to give it a bump.

“Even broken hearts can heal if we have the heart to let them.”

Patrick L.
Patrick L.
Jul 26, 2022 12:54 AM
Reply to  John Ervin

All, or too much, of that is simply the fallout of:

“333 = WWW”

The roots of that counterfeit, or forgery, run quite deep. But not unracinateable…

Maybe you’d be so kind as to explain those mysterious roots…[dot dot dot…]

(This numerology/”gematria”bollocks is becoming even less avoidable than death and taxes.)

bleak
bleak
Jul 26, 2022 1:30 AM
Reply to  John Ervin

Call unto me, and I will answer thee, and show thee great and mighty things, which thou knowest not. – Jeremiah 33:3

Kinda interesting in a phone number for a cult of lawyers.

John Ervin
John Ervin
Jul 26, 2022 6:58 PM
Reply to  bleak

Far more interesting than it appears, like a cowlick of hair that refuses meta-stubbornly to lie flat. I have expanded on this elsewhere, but here I go again: as a boy, my father, the founder of the firm, ecjlaw com (Ervin, Cohen, and Jessup aka 1st corporate law firm in Beverly Hills, had told me when I helped him move his offices from a ways down Beverly to the corner of Wilshire and Beverly (next to the notoriously affluent Rodeo Drive of “90210” fashion lore) in the UCB Bldg, that he had to wait on the new main number for “The Firm” until he could get a certain kind. (Still there, as the same address, though, as can be seen on google maps.)

He offered that information to me, unsolicited so to speak, from the old man. solicitor of note: https://prabook.com/web/mobile/#!profile/274898

I had overheard him mention to his 2nd wife, aka my Stepmonster, some gobbledygook about “multiple 3s it must have” and “something worthy of The Philosopher’s Stone” and other mumbo jumbo –in the sense as too esoteric to make sense in any pedestrian format of mine, back in the day. I didn’t make the connection that most of this arcana, much of which turned out “after further review” to derive from his role as VP of PRS in Hollywood (Philosophical Research Society — cf. Society of Psychical Research of 1880s London: prs.org and spr.ac.uk respectively) was closely connected to Freemasonry symbols et al., as well as a “matrix” of other related matters, like Rosicrucianism (or AMORC) and above all this ante-diluvian monstrosity of a tome, around two feet tall, named modestly, “The Secret Teachings of All Ages” by bizarre founder and president of PRS, and which he placed on a standing lectern apart, in the home library. (Note the references below to PRS toward end of JWE obituary, 4.26.82, by the L.A. Times chief editor of death notices Burt Folkart, Obituarist to the Stars:

https://www.newspapers.com/clip/105173258/

Turns out both JWE, père, and PRS founder, MPH were both assassinated, in ’82 and ’90, respectively. (The latter, by the way, is profiled by the dean of detective stories, Raymond Chandler, as the “rare books” store owner in the opening of his film classic “The Big Sleep” of 1946. And then again as “ahead of my time in the field of psychic treatment” as the jade-collecting villain in the original film noir “Murder, My Sweet” of 1944: that is original research I’ve done that maybe nobody else, at least in public, put together: incidentally, both villains died in the movie as homicides, as did their model, MPH, in real life, and who shared an employer/funder with Raymond Chandler, briefly, in the 1940s, the Lloyds of LA oil fortune: sounds like a series of film noirs, in and of itself, and all based in “real” Hollywood. Pull up a chair and a tub of popcorn: MPH as founder of PRS was murdered like his fictional caricatures, only ca. 45 years after the films’ depictions. I know of others who may have made the connection to Amthor/MPH in “Murder, My Sweet” but not to his caricature in the Bogart/Bacall blockbuster “,The Big Sleep” as A. G. Geiger. In both films his homosexuality is hinted at, through other characters that are strongly suggested, Lindsey Marriott, in MMS and then the chauffeur, in TBS. It is now well known though that MPH was a closeted gay, which I never knew about him as a child in those years, 1954 when I first recall hearing his name as a 2yo, until I split with JWE, père, in 1969. All that while he was married to Marie Hall, and this was not (well) known, though his murderer was suspected by San Diego PD detectives as his (reputedly) gay caretaker.

That was a news item from 1990 when MPH (33° Freemason, btw) was found dead until about 2000 when SDPD closed the book on it as a homicide. More than I can say for JWE, since last I heard LAPD has it chilling as a cold case, certainly ranking as one of LA’s most notorious unsolved murders, though my father’s name was only a household word in business circles, unknown to the general public. But as his “bio” above suggests, prominent enough to power.

It wasn’t any of the Usual Suspects among hitmen that called for those hits, but clearly the order came from deep within the bowels if the Deep State, if you can make enough of the facts in evidence to point them, ah, ultimately eastward.

I chronicle these facts, mostly of public record, because I have it on strong evidence that the founder of PRS was CIA’s director of Operation Monarch (Mind Control, aka MKULTRA aka Josef Mengele human experimentation) in the tinseltown of Hollywood no less.

I asked the first person who told me so, 6 years ago, if he were sure about that, and he simply said, “Who else?”

And if you know the story on that “star” and you see the phantasmagoria “coke-up” safe house sequences in “Murder, My Sweet” you would be inclined to agree. Indeed.

Sirhan recounts in his parole hearings (at Youtube) making visits to the PRS reading library, hoping to get some help for his intractable pain from a recent eye injury, in 1967 (not ‘8) but he can never recall what happened there. That’s entered in evidence.

£4£&$4$+my2¢ ~~~~

So. JWE comes home one night in 1969, days before I left my room and his manse never to return, after 7 years there, all spent in schools nearby, and says with gladdest glee, “Finally, I’ve got the number I want for The Firm. And not just a number with multiple 3s, but with 3 of them as 333, and even much better than that!”

Or words close enough to that, the gist.

So. There it remains, long after he was gone 13 years later, and still the main exchange of EC&J 53 years later: 273-6333. So, like the room Tesla died in, #3327, 27 is the cube of 3, another configuration of 333 (3x3x3) and originally the area code was 213, yet more multiples. They divided that area, so now it is 310.

333 = WWW because when the numbers are turned a quarter turn right, they “literally” spell WWW. Which is 3 letters, each having 3 syllables, the only letter with more than 1. So why did Sir Timothy Berners-Lee come up with that precise little configuration, while busy at CERN?

Make of it what you may.

As Fox always says, on loan to me.:

“We report, you decide.”

Their watchwords.

Watchcraft and witchcraft, though, the two key watchwords of Hollyweird, whence *all* of the above sprangeth.

bleak
bleak
Jul 27, 2022 1:50 AM
Reply to  John Ervin

“I chronicle these facts, mostly of public record, because I have it on strong evidence that the founder of PRS was CIA’s director of Operation Monarch (Mind Control, aka MKULTRA aka Josef Mengele human experimentation) in the tinseltown of Hollywood no less.”

Hall the director of MK? I guess why not. Sidney Gottlieb played that role.

Your father was assassinated? Why?

I did a search for “operation monarch” in the Brave search engine and Cathy O’Brian’s name and web site came up prominently in the sidebar! I’m not sure what to make of that. Yes, I’ve read her books.

John Ervin
John Ervin
Jul 27, 2022 7:15 AM
Reply to  bleak

I’ve been digging up bits and pieces of these programs for years. MKULTRA is the main “code” name, but there are quite a few franchises. Monarch (as in the butterfly) is apparently the West Coast franchise, but there are some others.

L.A. Mayor Sam Yorty referred to MPH once as “my guru”.

And it was Yorty who seized Sirhan’s diaries June 6. He had no jurisdictional authority to do that.

John Ervin
John Ervin
Jul 27, 2022 10:12 PM
Reply to  John Ervin

Sirhan’s diaries are discussed in “The Real Manchurian Candidate” (2018, RFK 50th Anniversary, at Youtube) and phrases “RFK must die… the Master says ‘Shoot on Command’) are discussed by relevant current parties, yet no one makes the connection that MPH’s nickname was “The Master”. Which seems highly relevant to the RFK murder and poor Sirhan’s plight and endless saga (53 years incarcerated) since MPH was one of the most renowned and accomplished hypnotists ever practicing, though how he came by those “skills” is mysterious, since all I’ve found was that he was taught by his grandmother here in L.A., after his mother came here with him from Canada in the early 20th century

My father (JWE) told me that nickname when I was quizzing him about that back in the day when my age was still in single digits. All of it passed as unremarkable or rather not dangerous, in the 1950s, heard bandied about our Westchester home (close by LAX), but now I know few things that are creepier. My amazing mother hated it and always called PRS “PEW-RS” when JWE was out of earshot range; which was to say she thought it really smelled bad. Smart Mom!

It was developing as perhaps *the* West Coast franchise and center of mind control Intel studies and activities. “PEW!”

That is known, but meta-muted in MSM and muted mostly everywhere. The internet has but scanty info about Monarch, but it’s not unknown, I know a young Latino car salesman who is familiar with it! And several others, enough elsewhere.

But it speaks muted volumes that all the search engines are almost vacant of info about Monarch. There’s literally a “hell” of a lot more about it than poor Cathy O’Brian. yet that’s about all that really pops up, for years now, unless you really dig away. If you know what you’re looking for, or study the trails of evidence, you may find it. (My wicked stepmonster’s name pops up in the only bio of MPH of any repute, “Master of the Mysteries” by Louis Sahagun, chief LA. Times obituarist after Folkart, who supposedly did my dad’s obit (it had his name on it, but wasn’t his style) retired. She stepped into my father JWE’s vice presidential shoes at PRS soon after he was murdered. I surely suspected her as an accessory. She was a real piece of work, sans pareil. I have this perennial GIF in memory’s archives of Jonathan Winters mocking her without her knowledge at my school, Harvard School, when they met at a school fair in 1967. He had her number in an NYC heartbeat. Pure genius 100%.)

Jonathan Winters, fyi, was Robin Williams’ mentor and comedy collaborator. Robin was blatantly suicided by Deep State actors, a “suicide” cremated, like my old man, only 24 hours after the autopsy?! And that went unnoticed by MSM?! (In both cases.) DOUBLE, TRIPLE “WHAT” ?!!!?

People ask me, “But who would want to kill Robin?” Zzzzzzzzzz. Sleep on, America, if that’s the best you can do (probably, all of them, spooks asking me that though, so, hall passes all around lol).

Robin Williams lived not far from the recently departed Mort Sahl, in the SF Bay area, and after 2000 they became fast friends.

SAHL, who as the 1st modern era standup comedian from the 1950s (till his late 2021 death) was a direct inspiration to the careers of Woody Allen, Lenny Bruce, really all of them give Sahl big credit for their careers.

Mort Sahl was actually deputized by New Orleans District Attorney Jim Garrison in his 1960s investigation & prosecution of JFK’s assassination co-conspirators, and featured in Stone’s movie “JFK”.

There’s a big dot to connect.

John Ervin
John Ervin
Jul 26, 2022 7:41 PM
Reply to  bleak

Thanks for that Jeremiad of a quote, I had never noted the verse number, 33:3, but the “call me” is a real calling card, n’azt-ce pas? Whenever I reminisce about the old man referring to his eponymous firm as “The Firm” in private, I have to chuckle, backflashing to the Grisham novel and film with Tom Cruise, tangled up in The Firm mysteries.

JWE (my namesake and father, if only by the flesh) had a royal flush of 33° Masons on his client list, Armand Hammer, Burl Ives, the aforesaid dread MPH (spookiest) and I surely suspect several others. I met a few years ago, by “happenstance” on an ocean pier, a very connected descendant of Elihu Root, who as Secretary of War in the Teddy Roosevelt era, had launched many of the policies USA Inc, LLP, Imperialism, with teeth, and I caught a scent instantly of Freemasonry, especially when he took off at my first mention of the RFK murder. He said he wanted to publish me, newz to me, but then freaked when I offered, “Why not my blockbuster of a scoop about who REALLY killed RFK, the mysterious “Master” of Sirhan’s seized diaries?” No, maybe not that. Not here. When he left, suddenly, spasmodically cool (“You got my number, call me!”) I started searching Elihu Root for Freemasonry connections. Not to be found at sites like Wiki, but turns out his eminent brother was an exalted Mason. LOL.

So don’t ever let anyone pretend to “inform” us that 33 or 33:3 etc, www etc, don’t have “signal” significance. They are quite signature. At least for them.

And, baby, that’s significant enough, and how.

Whatever its scope, we have seriously problems to deal with it.

I mapped out some of the ponderous and preponderant connections I was obliged to deal with, in my face, and evermore today on terra firma, and many parts unknown, and just
all that should be evidence enough for a probing and intensive investigation. For those who dare!

So, there’s that.

bleak
bleak
Jul 26, 2022 8:04 PM
Reply to  John Ervin

Manly P Hall really? I take it you’ve met him?

The numbers and gematria absolutely have significance to the “thems.” They signal one another throughout their “entertainment” spells / incantations / distractions (aka “holly wood” movies/tv).

Look for “93” next time you watch one. It’s a Crowley/Thelemic “cheers mate, how’s it hangin’, see how we do it?” and anyone can find it on wikipedia (although wiki falls short in explaining it thoroughly).

wikipedia org/wiki/Thelema#Greetings

For those who might not know what I’m talking about…
6+6+6=18, 1+8=9
7+7+7=21, 2+1=3
93

But it’s so much more than signaling as I’m sure you know. And, yes, “at least for them.”

We’ll rise above

We’ll rise above while you’re sleeping

-Death In June, Doubt To Nothing from the album Nada!

John Ervin
John Ervin
Jul 27, 2022 7:48 AM
Reply to  bleak

No, never met him, thank God, when I was a boy I asked my dad several times why he hadn’t introduced me, as I knew of no reason to fear him, but JWE refused. Consistently. I could never get a solid answer about that. I see MPH (I prefer not to use his name, it carries a very negative charge, for some reason) as a Mephistophelean figure, straight up. Spookiest guy ever, in Hollyweird at least.

A LOT of witchcraft there, in ol’ Tinseltown , it drips at different times. One nickname for MPH was “The Madame Blavatsky of America”. That’s a clue. I know a professor who said she went to some of his classes at PRS but stopped when she became convinced he could “put the entire class under” (hypnotized). Including herself! And Sirhan speaks of going several times to his esoterica “reading library” but can never remember what happened there…

Facts.

I delve into this simply because it has considerable historical significance, in terms of crucial black ops. I call that “forensic history” or perhaps “forensic surrealism”.

I was astonished to find only a few months ago, when I watched it, that MPH is dramatized as the jade collector Jules Amthor and “ahead of my time in the field of psychic treatment” in the 1944 film “Murder, My Sweet” (complete with cocaine mind control doses and hallucinatory giant syringes, close up, pretty edgy stuff for a 1944 film).

That’s all about as trippy as it gets. Sheeesh. I believe, truly, they were plotting one, some or all, of the ’68 assassinations in our living room. JWE made me sit in the garden all night, within eyeshot, one Saturday, about 1965, while they had a PRS cocktail party inside, about 20 guests, behind closed sliding glass doors. These were premiere sickos.

John Ervin
John Ervin
Jul 28, 2022 10:11 PM
Reply to  John Ervin

I rummaged around for the complete quote Laing made of A. Artaud, posted here 7.8.20, so here it is, once more, with teeth still sharp enough:

“You can say all you want about the mental health of Van Gogh who, during his lifetime, cooked only one of his hands and other than that did no more than cut off his left ear…
….present-day life goes on in its old atmosphere of prurience, of anarchy, of disorder, of delirium, of dementia, of chronic lunacy, of bourgeois inertia, of psychic anomaly (for it isn’t man but the world that has become abnormal), of deliberate dishonesty and downright hypocrisy, of a mean contempt for anything that shows breeding,
of the claim of an entire order based on the fulfilment of a primitive injustice,
in short, of organized crime.
Things are bad because the sick conscience now has a vital interest in not getting over it’s sickness.
So a sick society invented psychiatry to defend itself against the investigations of certain visionaries whose faculties of divination disturbed it.”

‘This is psychosis. I had been trained to diagnose myself psychotic.’

(From “Wisdom, Madness and Folly: the making of a British psychiatrist 1927-1957” by R. D. Laing)

John Ervin
John Ervin
Aug 3, 2022 7:42 AM
Reply to  John Ervin

These words of Artaud are so incisive, and diagnostic of our modern temperament, that they bear repeating (again):

of chronic lunacy, of bourgeois inertia, of psychic anomaly (for it isn’t man but the world that has become abnormal), of deliberate dishonesty and downright hypocrisy, of a mean contempt for anything that shows breeding,
of the claim of an entire order based on the fulfilment of a primitive injustice,
in short, of organized crime.”

John Ervin
John Ervin
Jul 25, 2022 11:41 PM
Reply to  bleak

Semiosis is the mostis.

Sgt Oddball
Sgt Oddball
Jul 26, 2022 3:39 AM
Reply to  John Ervin

…- True, but does it necessarily signify in every case?…

John Ervin
John Ervin
Jul 26, 2022 3:22 PM
Reply to  Sgt Oddball

Probably not. Except, the nature of reality is such that at all points of that continuum God is communicating with us. It goes to the very atomic heart of things. At least, that is a primary principle of faith.

We simply have a practical interest to …prioritize… “as best we can”.

Sgt Oddball
Sgt Oddball
Jul 28, 2022 2:01 AM
Reply to  John Ervin

r/WHOOOOSSSSHHHHHHHHHHHHH…

John Ervin
John Ervin
Jul 28, 2022 10:38 PM
Reply to  Sgt Oddball

Cool sound, when sung, or as Schönbergian sprechstimme.

But *what* does it MEAN, Mr. Natural ??!

Edwige
Edwige
Jul 26, 2022 7:44 AM
Reply to  bleak

Basketball was also invented by an admitted freemason. US football is commonly called ‘gridiron’ and modern freemasonry unveiled itself at ‘The Goose and Gridiron’ pub (in 1717 just after the Hanoverians took over the British throne – think this might say something about why that happened?).

John Ervin
John Ervin
Jul 26, 2022 1:42 PM
Reply to  Edwige

Thanks for those parallels, remarkable for sure. You solved a head scratch I’ve had for 60+ years about “gridiron” though I have heard convoluted explanations. Paul Robeson’s coach at Rutgers called him, “The greatest football player ever to trot the gridiron.” Hmmm. lol

Victor G.
Victor G.
Jul 26, 2022 1:51 PM
Reply to  Edwige

And don’t forget pinochle …

John Ervin
John Ervin
Jul 26, 2022 2:06 PM
Reply to  Edwige

Re-edit (SAVE function timed out):

Naismith? It is interesting that it was the NBA owners who made the 1st move here in USA Inc , LLP, to cancel a game “seconds before tipoff” (lol) purportedly because Rudy Gobert, Parisian import, had “tested positive”.

Also, tracking a hunch based on a plaque I had seen in 1976 on the Quai of the Seine near Notre Dame, when I lived next door on la rue des Trois Portes, I looked up the date and sure enough, Jacques de Molay, last grand master of the Knights Templar, had been executed there, on l’Isle des Juifs. On that day, March 11, 1314. (It is fascinating, too that Wikipedia removed the date recently, the 11th, and now has only “March 1314” perhaps because the 18th is also in contention?)

Revenge? in 2020. I always throw such factoids into the ring, since I have found far too often that the more highly speculative they are, the more fecund in connections, an odd principle to be sure…

COINCIDENCE OR CONSPIRACY?!

We report, you decide.

My solitary rule above all rules, is “just follow the evidence, don’t ask in advance where it might lead.”

Ask in advance only if your feet begin to heat….

Like asking my dad, when I overheard it as a lad, if he might tell me what “de Molay” was, and he refused to say. More than once. So I was sure to remember.

DeMolay International, the junior Freemasons, founded in Kansas, 1919.

Thanks for those parallels, remarkable for sure. You solved a head scratch I’ve had for 60+ years about “gridiron” though I have heard convoluted explanations. Paul Robeson’s coach at Rutgers called him, “The greatest football player ever to trot the gridiron.” Hmmm. lol

rememberingmonkey
rememberingmonkey
Jul 25, 2022 10:25 PM

When I was growing up and there was problem, I was told to fix it. I said the same thing to my children. Astonishing the genius that will erupt from not buying a solution.. This is just a fancy name for the way most folks lived only decades ago.

John Ervin
John Ervin
Jul 26, 2022 12:03 AM

The (true) future belongs to the non-forgers. “Genius erupts” when we strike out and seek our own understanding rather than endlessly copied (forged) solutions, all those countless that are often no more than fads and fashions.

“In the book of life, the answers are not in the back.” “Peanuts” (Charles Schultz cartoon)

[Don’t tell that to most Americans, or any masked.]

les online
les online
Jul 26, 2022 5:07 AM

I used to think auto-didacticism was all about teaching yourself how to fix your motor car. I think it still does…

John Ervin
John Ervin
Aug 19, 2022 3:36 AM
Reply to  les online

No, that’s auto-deductism, teaching yourself where and how to save on spare parts. Even I know that. Please, get it straight.

Xavier Delacroix
Xavier Delacroix
Jul 25, 2022 9:38 PM

In these times, if one wants to understand what’s going on in the world, one cannot have a narrow focus in one or even a few fields. A completely holistic approach is called for. No stone must be left unturned – all mysteries must be investigated. And it must all be done voraciously, and efficiently – with much discernment.

Trinity: The answer is out there, Neo, and it’s looking for you, and it will find you if you want it to.

On their intrepid voyage of discovery, the neophyte will come to understand the esoteric meanings of ‘trinity’ (cf 3 towers of Freemasonry) and ‘matrix’ (cf mater, Demeter, Prima materia, etc.).

You are ‘the one’ – if you want to be.

-CO
-CO
Jul 25, 2022 11:43 PM
  1. The three towers of 911, the three towers of Freemasonry or the three towers of the three towers pub? According to Dr Freud, if you believe him, a cigar is sometimes just a cigar and it does not therefore have any necessary esoteric meaning per se. It’s very easy to attribute an esoteric meaning to something that really isn’t there in that which is exoteric, although I take your point.
Xavier Delacroix
Xavier Delacroix
Jul 26, 2022 10:39 AM
Reply to  -CO

Building 1: The Sun (twin 1 – The Son)
Building 2: Saetr/Satan (twin 2 – The Father – hallowed be his name)
Building 3: Venus
Building 4: Jupiter
Building 5: Mercury
Building 6: Mars
Building 7: The Moon (The Holy Ghost)

The twin towers and their special relationship is found at the front of Notre Dame, the Washington Arch, and many other famous arches/tower pairs.

When you find out what all this means, then you’ll know it’s not just mumbo jumbo or semiotic pareidolia.

The symbolism is globally pervasive (architecture, art, literature, oral tradition, language, etc.) – primarily because of its extreme importance to mankind.

-CO
-CO
Jul 26, 2022 11:17 AM

Please enlighten us as to “What all this means” and where it comes from to prove that “its not just mumbo jumbo or semiotic pareidolia” – any references would be a good start, as I am willing to learn. Particularly, if it is of “extreme importance to mankind” as you point out.

Xavier Delacroix
Xavier Delacroix
Jul 26, 2022 3:49 PM
Reply to  -CO

I usually suggest people start here, with this ‘family safe’ video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3ZDcj0kF_0

When you’ve fully grokked it (watched it several times to be sure you’ve caught every subtlety), then you should know where to research further.

-CO
-CO
Jul 26, 2022 4:55 PM

There’s nothing really new in that video. I am already familiar with the equinoctial cycle and have Yukteswar’s book entitled ‘The Holy Science’, and also the one published by Tara Mat in 1933 (Astrological World Cycles) which discusses Yukterswar’s 24,000 cycle, the 4 yugas and the electric cycles and why the ancient astronomers miscalculated the length of the yuga cycles in Divine years instead of solar years. So where do we go from here? What subtleties have I missed and what is the precise point you are trying to make??

LuciusLicinius
LuciusLicinius
Jul 26, 2022 6:36 PM
Reply to  -CO

It’s just a waste hole. I wrote down much of his entire theory on a different article. Basically, the sun is part of binary system and we are close to the point where the star companion is reaching the location in space where it triggers the Earth magnetic poles invertion. This comes with a huge cataclysm in the form of a very high wave – hundredths of meters or potentially higher, that wipes out all costal cities (almost) all over the world. This happens every 12000 years since, only Xavier knows when. Civilization collapses and the surviving humans have to start all over again. TPTSB are actually working towards ensuring that this time civilizations can withstand this disaster and this is why they shouldn’t be stopped and want to wake up some people so that there are more “perspicacious” slaves around to ensure the new world order has a different fate than the ones before.

All based on no evidence that Xavier can actually present. You just have to watch some videos discussing esoteric knowledge and more or less take his word for all this. I’d rather skip and distrust that people that are psychopaths care about anything else but themselves. It’s not like, considering the level of control they were able to achieve, they wouldn’t have been able to save civilization in a more “civilized” way, a way that doesn’t involve genocide on the scale we are about to witness.

-CO
-CO
Jul 26, 2022 7:47 PM
Reply to  LuciusLicinius

Lucius, are you referring to the Dwarf Star Nibiru, aka Wormwood, Planet -X, the Destroyer, Sun’s Death Star Companion, Nemesis, Hercolubus, etc. It was allegedly predicted that this ‘planet’ would possibly collide with the Earth by the astrophysicist Frank Lake as early as July 29th 2022.

LuciusLicinius
LuciusLicinius
Jul 26, 2022 11:13 PM
Reply to  -CO

I am just pointing out what Xavier theory about what is going on really is. I don’t buy it. At all. You can dig deeper if you feel you have the inclination but I thought I would spare you some time figuring out what exactly hides behind his Ubermensch wrapped in mistery way of presenting “the truth”. I did take him seriously for a while and looked carefully in what his ideas area but in the end I don’t think there’s much ground to stand on.

There is indirect evidence supporting some of his claims: the flood myths, the existence of ancient pyramids all over the planet from cultures that shouldn’t have been in touch with each other, the fact that the solar system’s planets orbital perturbances can only be explained by a large body outside of the known solar system etc. But being so certain as he seems to be about something for which there is no direct evidence, is usually the kind of realm in which fools that like a good story compared to a boring/dangerous truth like to spend their time in.

Xavier Delacroix
Xavier Delacroix
Jul 26, 2022 11:32 PM
Reply to  -CO

Nibiru is the planet of the crossing, i.e. the non-fixed star that crosses the galactic plane at apoastron & periastron.

Planet-X is the celestial body gravitationally inferred to exist a few thousand AU away, which supposedly cannot be a star, because the nearest is allegedly 4LY away.

The idea of a rogue planet barrelling into our solar system is disinfo.

Xavier Delacroix
Xavier Delacroix
Jul 26, 2022 11:45 PM
Reply to  -CO

What gives rise to the equinoctial cycle?

What is meant by “The Sun’s Dual”?

Why are there two durations given for the Great Year – 24,000 & 25,920?

-CO
-CO
Jul 27, 2022 10:30 AM

Xavier you appear to have all the answers to those three questions why don’t you enlighten us? I’ve got a fairly good idea from what I’ve read years ago according to Tara Mata and Yuketswar. But you tell us your take on the issues since you posed the questions.

Xavier Delacroix
Xavier Delacroix
Jul 27, 2022 5:48 PM
Reply to  -CO

I gave you three answers above wrt Nibiru, Planet-X, & ‘rogue planet’.

Then per your request, I’ve suggested 3 subtleties that you may have missed, in the form of questions – to which answers will require your further investigation.

I mentioned The Sun’s Dual because this is covered by Yuketswar – so your ‘fairly good idea’ should make this one a doddle.

NB I’m encouraging you to investigate further. LL is discouraging you from doing so.

-CO
-CO
Jul 27, 2022 7:04 PM

Question1. Possibly has more than one answer including the flow of aether and its connection with universal magnetism and the electricities both are now scientific facts in quantum physics which mainstream science has not yet come to terms with. The term ‘vacuum’ is often used in quantum physics to refer to the aether and sometimes referred to as the ‘vacuum-ether’.

Question 2. The Sun’s dual is when the Sun and its planets and their moons takes some fixed star e.g. Revati for its dual and revolves around it in c. 24,000 years of our Earth – celestial phenomena which causes the backward movement of the equinoctial points around the zodiac (according to Sri Yukteswar).

Question 3. The conditions in which the ancients made their calculations re: the 24,000 year cycle concerning the annual rate of precession was not from a fixed point but from the star Revati. The conditions are different today as calc’s are made from a fixed point giving 25, 920 year cycle.

Perhaps you can give a better explanation of the situation, as I am not an expert on the subject, but I am open to learning.

Xavier Delacroix
Xavier Delacroix
Jul 28, 2022 11:00 AM
Reply to  -CO

1) Nope. There’s a single, straightforward answer.
 
2) On vaguely the right track, but a novice attempt.
 
3) Nope*.
 

I could give you the answers, with full explanations, but that wouldn’t help you. What will help you is for you to research these answers yourself.
 
Of course, you can let LL persuade you that he’s been there, done that, bought the t-shirt, and it’s all a crock-o-shite, and that you should take the blue pill.
 
* Clues for Q3: 24k is correct. 25k9 is an extrapolation from an incorrect assumption. The change in sizes of each of the Yuga Cycles is related to this, as is that they are reflected, and that Satya is brighter than Kali.
 

-CO
-CO
Jul 28, 2022 12:16 PM

Question 1. Precession is caused by the gravitational influence of the Sun and the Moon acting on Earth’s equatorial bulge. To a much lesser extent, the planets exert influence as well. This is supposed to be a straightforward answer to question !.

-CO
-CO
Jul 28, 2022 7:08 PM
Reply to  -CO

If the answer to question 1 is wrong Xavier its about time for you to give a full explanation of the whole theory instead of giving me the run around. Otherwise, we’ll be going round in circles for ever and I shall probably end up reaching the same conclusion as Lucius and you will have wasted your time, my time and LL’s time, together with anyone else’s time who has taken the trouble to read your posts.

Xavier Delacroix
Xavier Delacroix
Jul 28, 2022 11:30 PM
Reply to  -CO

I’m letting you know that the rabbit hole descends much further, and is worth exploring.

It’s up to you if you wish to further investigate, which I encourage you to do.

As I said, it wouldn’t help you for me to give you the answers.

If anything, you’d have to spend just as much time trying to corroborate them as finding them out for yourself. The latter is a far superior expenditure of your time.

You’ve come this far. You’re in a good position to continue.

Xavier Delacroix
Xavier Delacroix
Jul 28, 2022 11:12 PM
Reply to  -CO

Well, that’s the textbook lunisolar explanation of precessionary wobble, but it’s bunk. Not least, because it doesn’t explain precession, i.e. the gradual rotation of the celestial sphere of fixed stars.

The correct straightforward answer provides an obvious explanation for both wobble and precession.

-CO
-CO
Jul 29, 2022 1:29 PM

Well Xavier, what is that “correct straightforward answer” I think its time for you to enlighten me and anyone else who may be interested to know – or are you not sure that your answer will be accepted as credible after all the intrigue. I have come to the conclusion that either you don’t really know yourself or that you just want somebody else to eventually arrive at the same conclusion whatever that may be.

John Ervin
John Ervin
Jul 26, 2022 8:12 PM
Reply to  -CO

Who gives a ratz a** if Freud’s cigar is just that? To him or anyone. He was the first shrink to covertly weaponize psychiatry, à la his avuncular connections to his nephew Eddy Bernays, master spook extraordinaire snd deluxe! 2X !

And Siggy was amply rewarded for his PSYWAR proclivities. Just don’t ask the late Iris Chang, cuz she’s got a hole in her head, after the Army sequestered her in 2004 at their “safe house” at Leavenworth spiked with “anti-depressants” and then let her go, whereupon she took her life with a vintage gun of the Wild West she had bought moments before at an antique gun shop in the little town of Los Gatos, when she died offroad a few miles away?!

Yeah, psychiatry, call your doctor if you need help. Dr. Mengele of MKULTRA. Or, if he’s not available, try Sidney Gottlieb, CIA poisoner-in-chief. Or maybe Louis Jollyon “Jolly” West of UCLA, who surely knew my father when the latter died slightly off campus, a “self-inflicted” similar wound, aka “mob cleaners contract” , just a stone’s throw from the (Armand) Hammer Museum.

Maybe Freud’s cigar was actually a proctoscope! Who can say? His call if he really needed it so very much.

In “Never Say Never Again” James Bond used one. It was loaded.

So are Siggy’s theories, if not actually his stupid cigar.

-CO
-CO
Jul 27, 2022 12:22 AM
Reply to  John Ervin

Nice one John, I was under the impression that Freud was a neurologist who founded psychoanalysis and was not a psychiatrist. Obviously, you know more than me on that score – but what references do you have so I can read them regarding his “PSYWAR proclivities” as you put it, which I have not studied. You learn something different everyday. I like the one about the proctoscopic cigar by the way!

John Ervin
John Ervin
Jul 27, 2022 11:16 PM
Reply to  -CO

My apologies if I was misbehaving, the comment was directed at Freudianisms in general, not you, so I was sort of just psychodramatizing some of my unkempt feelings about the whole arena of doctrinaire psychology disciplines, as practiced, since, like the whole virus scamology, I see so much evidence over the years that it has been gradually and steadily hijacked by Intel “interests” and abused in the service of mind control rather than in mind healing. And that always gets me going about as surely as the slightest mention of “Fauci” in speech or print.

Like good credible journalists, I find good psychologists and psychiatrists ever harder to locate at large, though that may be misbehaving too to some extent, since my knowledge of the demographics is pretty “anecdotal” and not very profound. I am a big fan of Roberto Assagioli though. And Jung gets props. And many such, it’s the ones in practice I am leery of. (Well, I was raised around Beverly Hills shrinks, so that will leave marks.)

But, not to pull a punch, my exposure to Freud’s thought, albeit limited, and that largely due to chronic Freud-dyspepsia, is that he was trying to make into a permanent pillar of society what was really more, as Alan Watts called it, “a late 19th century German romantic philosophy”.

But, as to what is mentioned about his tangible”psywar” connections to Eddie Bernays (his nephew), that is covered in “PSYWAR: the Real Battlefield is the Mind” by Metanoia Films, at Youtube.

John Ervin
John Ervin
Aug 3, 2022 7:56 AM
Reply to  -CO

PSYWAR: (full documentary)~

https://youtu.be/zc7IecvZ9L8

Ian
Ian
Jul 25, 2022 9:21 PM

I guess it depends on one’s personality. I don’t like being “taught”, preferring to go it alone. This is, perhaps, a more difficult path. I started playing tennis at 35, having given up contact sports due to injuries. The club pro/coach saw my efforts in trying to teach myself how to play the game and said “That man can practise for 100 years and he will never learn to play”. Five years later I was the club champion and eventually played at the highest senior level in my country. I was not the best, but I was competitive against those who had played since childhood, with professional coaching. Perhaps, if I’d had proper coaching, I would have got there sooner, but I think teaching myself gave me better insights into the game. I read a lot of books and tennis magazines too. I taught myself how to re-string and other stuff not normally appreciated by a club player. I can say the same about many other learnings in my life – politics, economics, religion, philosophy, education —. To this day I like to find my own way.

Edith
Edith
Jul 26, 2022 4:35 AM
Reply to  Ian

I understand that….I taught myself to do butterfly swim stroke and have had a lot of fun over the years doing 100’s of meters of it….much to the puzzlement of fellow swimmers who find it hard….

I suspect you really enjoyed your tennis for same reason…

Ian
Ian
Jul 27, 2022 6:59 PM
Reply to  Edith

Hi Edith

Thanks! I found tennis difficult, but easier than butterfly! I’m a good swimmer and can do crawl, breast and back pretty well. (I once even came 3rd in the final of a high level gala, doing back.) I used to swim in the ocean in waves that others considered dangerous and did body surfing. But, I never managed to get butterfly right.All I can say is well done!

Penny
Penny
Jul 25, 2022 8:58 PM

Autodidacticism – The best way to learn- Personally, I feel strongly about this and believe this to be the real true way to learn- Experience, informing one self, gaining critical thinking skills- understanding the function of propaganda- Identify it first and foremost and then understand how it works to manipulate you- always. Applying logic. And on and on.
We can all do it- It takes effort initially but the skills one gains from self learning makes it easier to discern the credibility or non credibility of information

Edwige
Edwige
Jul 25, 2022 8:26 PM

Anyone new to Grove – some of his research is outstanding and don’t be put off if you don’t like the way he comes across here.

John Ervin
John Ervin
Jul 25, 2022 8:21 PM

But, if he’s teaching us how to learn, that is still didactic and not purist autodidactismo!

The defense rests.

HOME SCHOOL OR DIE!

~~~~~~

Ancient Chinese proverb: “He who teaches himself learns from a fool.”

(On the other hand. Added for pedagogical balance.

~ Solo Autodidactico. )

-CO
-CO
Jul 25, 2022 8:54 PM
Reply to  John Ervin

How about this Arabic quote:

“He who knows not, and knows not that he knows not,is a fool; shun him.
He who knows not,and knows that he knows not, is a student; Teach him.
He who knows,and knows not that he knows,is asleep; Wake him.
He who knows,and knows that he knows,is Wise; Follow him.” 

John Ervin
John Ervin
Jul 25, 2022 11:53 PM
Reply to  -CO

That’s Greek to me, not Arabic. I find that almost more “quixotic” than the premise of the article.

Perhaps in a more lucid moment I shall “grok” it!

-CO
-CO
Jul 26, 2022 11:18 AM
Reply to  John Ervin

Keep at it John and the penny might drop (hopefully!)

John Ervin
John Ervin
Jul 26, 2022 9:06 PM
Reply to  -CO

No, I did, which is to say the penny seriously dropped, it was just the sound that it made.

(At least you didn’t call me Johnny. So there’s that much. That would have been a tip off, if only in Arabic.)

Take it easy, just playin’ !

wardropper
wardropper
Jul 26, 2022 5:10 PM
Reply to  John Ervin

In any case, who wants to be an ancient Chinese person…? Modern people don’t see the world in the same way. They cannot, because they no longer live in those times and their consciousness of everything is simply different.

I think life is a bit of a lottery in this respect: Some people are good students, but don’t always meet a great teacher of life.
If they are lucky enough to meet such a teacher, his insights can confirm their feeling that they are on a secure path.

I have often heard it said that the greatest teachers always seek to make themselves obsolete. That, to me, is real autodidactism in practice:

The teacher opens the door.
The student either hesitates, or goes inside.
If he goes in, the student either recognizes what he sees there, or he does not.
If he sees something that awakens his curiosity, admiration or will-power, he will apply himself to it, and, with experience, he will become good at it.

Right there is the secret of life; and it didn’t cost anybody here a penny, although I would be grateful for a bowl of soup, if someone could spare it when an even lower animal species becomes Prime Minister…

John Ervin
John Ervin
Jul 26, 2022 9:54 PM
Reply to  wardropper

Makes sense. I was very fortunate to have had one far greater than I could have ever even anticipated, or even had the sense to seek out. Once when I referred to him as a “mentor” he simply interjected “more of a consultant” which alone speaks volumes in wisdom. Early in our so-called “consultancy” when I was notably staggered by a sudden sense of the dimensions of his awareness, with dropping jaw, he deftly said, “I really don’t know that much, I can work with it, that’s all.”

Such graces are given. I heard a Fr. Acton say in a sermon, “You don’t ask for grace. It just comes. I went off road in the deep south to a fabled diner and ordered their legendary 6 course dinner. But I was perplexed by repeated bowls of grits. I told the waiter as sauvely south as I could, “But I didn’t ask for grits.”

He assured me with his drawl, “You don’t ask for grits, it just comes.”

So it must be with my autodidacticism, at its better turns, it just comes. The rest is not, but lameness.

I found myself in 1975 somehow, as a mere lad, as the Lone Waiter (sounds like a black op) at a U.S. Embassy cocktail party in Paris, ave. Henri Martin, trés 16ème. How did that happen, and how did I happen to be serving meatballs on toothpicks to Pierre Salinger, while totally oblivious of me, as he handicapped the 1976 Elections, wrongly, as I only heard “Bayh” and “Frank Church” and “Fritz Mondale”. (No mention of peanut farmers).

One of Giscard’s press corps (I think now almost everyone at those things must be a spy) took a meatball and asked me what I was doing in Paris. I was new in Paris, homeless really, I had to borrow the killer tight dress shoes I had on, so I told him I was a high school dropout, which was factual, at least.

He scolded me suavely, “Don’t say you’re a dropout, in France we say you are “autodidacte”. Your ambassador Ben Franklin was such a one.”

And in fact he was right. He had brought me La Libération with a single word. I told him I’d change my ways, and I did. A real slice of life.

1st time I had heard that word, on long term loan to the French from the Greek.

wardropper
wardropper
Jul 26, 2022 11:53 PM
Reply to  John Ervin

Thanks for that, J.
I, too, was very lucky with my ‘consultant’.
He was the one who, sensing that I was wondering if I would ‘make it’ in my musical field, told me, “Don’t think about ‘making it’. Think about being useful. You might indeed make it, but that’s not a wise goal in itself.”

His unassuming nature also showed itself in many priceless casual comments:
When I congratulated him on his 60th birthday, he said, “You know, people pay me such respect now that I’m older and have many years as a teacher behind me. But inside I still feel like the same little twit…”

What a gift and a privilege it is to meet such people and have them as friends.
Wisdom isn’t dead, but it certainly seems to be in serious trouble these days…

John Ervin
John Ervin
Jul 27, 2022 7:58 AM
Reply to  wardropper

The only obstacle I ever had was in spending time focusing on making it.

What a load, eh?

We have been really blessed. That suffices, really.

-CO
-CO
Jul 25, 2022 8:16 PM

Ah! The quest for self-improvement and learning – a noble quest indeed if you have a strong drive to know, and are prepared to make the effort and learn to separate the gold from the dross etc etc. But, its not so easy, and not so many are prepared to make the effort or take the flack from those who disagree with what ‘new research and experiences’ emerge that may often be controversial, and which may conflict with otherwise fixed ideas and the norms and values held in common by the majority. It is one hell of a job to get people in general to “know more about the world” in which they live -they seem to prefer to be trapped in the imaginary and the symbolic realms and live in the mirror of Coronation Street or Eastenders on TV rather than to “learn how to learn” in reality and improve their lives for the better. Perhaps I’m wrong.

Researcher
Researcher
Jul 25, 2022 9:35 PM
Reply to  -CO

You aren’t wrong. Most appear to want to live vicariously through the small screen, because it’s easier than forging your own path and going against the crowd. It takes an immense amount of effort and time to sift through all the disinformation and misinformation to get to the truth. And since the whole truth is uglier than one imagines, the task isn’t instantly rewarding.

However, it does ultimately empower individuals, families and communities if they can shake off the tentacles of the mind matrix and free themselves from the shackles of subliminal mind control.

-CO
-CO
Jul 26, 2022 11:36 AM
Reply to  Researcher

You said it! “And since the whole truth is uglier than one imagines, the task isn’t instantly rewarding”.

However, what appears to be problematic, is after the task of sifting through all the information and disinformation in order to separate determine what you think is true (‘the gold from the dross’) wrt a particular issue -sometimes you still end up with a mixture (gold and dross) and there is no extra discursive court of appeal that you can turn to that can vouchsafe the WHOLE TRUTH of the issue. In other words, the gold still contains at least some particles of dross. All that glitters!

Researcher
Researcher
Jul 26, 2022 4:49 PM
Reply to  -CO

Right. Using pattern recognition, helps delineate the gold from the dross.

Understanding the subliminal mind control techniques used in the disinformation campaigns, makes it easier to spot fraud, deprogram oneself from expectations or confirmation bias and evaluate evidence more objectively.

Detaching from the ego, without resorting to the “It’s all an illusion/simulation” disinfo is trickier.

-CO
-CO
Jul 26, 2022 7:16 PM
Reply to  Researcher

Yeh, all that works up to a point. But I have been caught out several times in trying to delineate the gold from the dross, particularly if I am convinced that I already know the truth of the matter or there is a definite pattern when in reality there isn’t one.

That is, when I’m more likely to interpret the issue in terms of a pet theory or fixed idea etc which includes a certain pattern recognition model wrt the issue. For example, pattern recognition is OK (up to a point) but it can just turn into a form of grid reading where other factors and variables are involved that enter the picture that do not necessarily have any pattern or even form one.

As you know, PR is usually based on attempting to find similarities that do form a pattern which are then compared with info’ that’s already known with regard to a particular issue. But any similarities that are found are not identities – and you are faced with the problem of figuring out ‘how similar is similar’ compared to the information that is already thought to be known regarding the particular issue in question. Hope this makes sense as there are other issues involved which I have not gone into.

John Ervin
John Ervin
Aug 3, 2022 8:09 AM
Reply to  -CO

“Not all that glitters is gold.
Not all who wander are lost.”

~calling card of Gandalf, opening page of “Fellowship of the Ring” via J.R.R. Tolkien

Willem
Willem
Jul 25, 2022 6:40 PM

‘Autodidacticism is the process of learning about a skill or a subject without a formal teacher, and today Richard Grove of GetAutonomy.info [i.e, a formal teacher] is here to help us get started on the lifelong quest of self-improvement and self-learning [autodidactism].’

Who would have guessed eh, that one can learn without the help of a teacher, with the help of a teacher?

Really useful info again from James.

John Ervin
John Ervin
Jul 25, 2022 11:49 PM
Reply to  Willem

Paradoxical, on its face at least, but not necessarily impractical, though one might consider an insurance policy.

-CO
-CO
Jul 27, 2022 7:19 PM
Reply to  John Ervin

In other words, autodidactism its just another one of Freud’s ‘proctoscopic cigars’ John.

John Ervin
John Ervin
Jul 27, 2022 10:45 PM
Reply to  -CO

Alas, sometimes a proctoscope is just a proctoscope. I’ve been dodging my appointment for months.

-CO
-CO
Jul 27, 2022 11:00 PM
Reply to  John Ervin

Don’t blame you John! Sometimes the more doctors do for you the worse you become!

John Ervin
John Ervin
Jul 28, 2022 11:29 PM
Reply to  -CO

REWRITE (EDITED FOR TYPOS ETC.);”SAVE” function timed out, alas.

Hear, hear, I was sent at 15yo to 2 Freudian psychiatrists/psychoanalysts (as was, btw, Graham Greene, also at 15yo, back then at the virtual dawn of psychoanalysis, of great interest to me in what he holds in common, at its strangest, since I discern numerous parallels in reactions, and also typecasting by and thru our fathers) and in Beverly Hills no less (Marlon Brando put it well in his memoir, “Songs my Mother Taught Me”, that the only difference they [Beverly Hills shrinks] had made in h}s mental state was to reduce the weight of his wallet significantly: hear, hear redux, they rolled my old man for a *bundle*). Maurice Rapkin and Irving Behrens, still can’t forget their names 55 years on as one of memory’s ongoing “proctological” exams of my psyche. (Close, but no cigar.)

I was having questions and they substituted problems in their place. Doctrinaire Freudian shrinks, back then, taken together a “perfect storm” of BS. Though, as Nietszche put it. “The first adherents of a doctrine are not necessarily proof against that doctrine.” I was in a thrall at the time to Herman Hesse’s “Steppenwolf” and knew that he had reclined on Jung’s couch some decades and time zones before my own travails. “Magic Theatre, Not For Everybody” and I stepped through that alley door as Harry Haller did, before me. So there’s that in witness.

When I met these very affluent BH quacks I had just turned 15. By the end of the 6 months or so that I had been exposed to their witch “doctoring” I had been set back just about 17 years.

£4£&$4$+my2¢ ___________

Only the ecstasy of hearing for the 1st time Klemperer conduct Beethoven, et al., the next year, on Angel EMI LPs, restored my reality timeline under that timeless arch, and some scanty sanity. Serious. I am persuaded that many of these people are Intel assets (after all, they knew my old man, right) ! ?

-CO
-CO
Jul 29, 2022 11:36 AM
Reply to  John Ervin

John, priests function in a similar fashion with the confessional, it makes the penitent feel better re their burden of guilt and sin, but it also empowers the priest and reinforces social control. It doesn’t take much to figure out that some priests function as intel assets too as well as father confessors.
As soon as you mentioned the novel Steppenwolf by Herman Hesse alienation immediately came to mind – in fact total alienation. I think that anyone who reads that book today should be able to identify with what Hesse was trying to express!

John Ervin
John Ervin
Jul 30, 2022 5:27 AM
Reply to  -CO

-CO, priests are proxies of Jesus, and their purpose, and service, in the confessional is entirely sacramental, sacerdotal, and not social.

Speaking of my man Graham Greene, a contemporary of Hesse, that was the profiund irony of his novel about the Mexican priest in “The Power and the Glory”.

In social terms, the padre was oozing sin from every pore, and yet he gave his life for the eponymous. The sacrament of confession is not about “feeling good” but about God’s goodness to us. Pure gift, the seed of a new beginning. Though that’s plenty as a feel good story, as they say….

Jesus in a vision to St. Paul, Apostle, “My grace is enough for you, since in weakness my power is made perfect.”

As George Gershwin (or his brother Ira) sang in “I Got Rhythm”: “Who could ask for anything more!”

So. Be it.

John Ervin
John Ervin
Jul 30, 2022 5:29 AM
Reply to  John Ervin

In short, the grace is not at all dependent on the personal goodness or badness of priests. That is primary doctrine.

-CO
-CO
Jul 30, 2022 3:17 PM
Reply to  John Ervin

-CO, priests are proxies of Jesus, and their purpose, and service, in the confessional is entirely sacramental, sacerdotal, and not social.

That may be true John from the religious perspective but, on the other hand, from a sociological perspective, the priest is a functionary in the Church, which in turn is an ideological apparatus within the state which functions as a means of social control through religion and its rituals including the confessional. Surely, the priest as proxy and penitent are also social beings and interact in social and in religious terms in matters of human and ‘spiritual’ welfare during a ritual confession, otherwise there would be no none at all.

The question is, what would happen if there was no religion and social control through religious ideology?