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AUDIO: Kit Knightly on Perspective with Jesse Zurawell

OffG editor Kit Knightly joins Jesse Zurawell on Perspective to discuss where our resistance to the global “new normal” nightmare currently stands, with daily bombardment of spectacular narratives and events that increasingly distract and divert us from our fight.

TNT Radio is a 24/7 internet radio station, available here. You can also listen to back-episodes of Perspective here and follow host Jesse Zurawell on Telegram here.

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Lost in a dark wood
Lost in a dark wood
Oct 16, 2022 9:32 PM

Controlling or Coercive Behaviour

Having quickly glanced at BBC News, I came across the following criminal offence – which I hadn’t previously heard of. The CPS guidance includes a list of characteristic behaviours (see below). Does anyone else see how it might be applied to other areas?

https://www.cps.gov.uk/legal-guidance/controlling-or-coercive-behaviour-intimate-or-family-relationship

Section 76 of the Serious Crime Act 2015 created a new offence of controlling or coercive behaviour in an intimate or family relationship. . . . Building on examples within the Statutory Guidance, relevant behaviour of the perpetrator can include:

  • Isolating a person from their friends and family
  • Depriving them of their basic needs
  • Monitoring their time
  • Monitoring a person via online communication tools or using spyware
  • Taking control over aspects of their everyday life, such as where they can go, who they can see, what to wear and when they can sleep
  • Depriving them access to support services, such as specialist support or medical services
  • Repeatedly putting them down such as telling them they are worthless
  • Enforcing rules and activity which humiliate, degrade or dehumanise the victim
  • Forcing the victim to take part in criminal activity such as shoplifting, neglect or abuse of children to encourage self-blame and prevent disclosure to authorities
  • Financial abuse including control of finances, such as only allowing a person a punitive allowance
  • Control ability to go to school or place of study
  • Taking wages, benefits or allowances
  • Threats to hurt or kill
  • Threats to harm a child
  • Threats to reveal or publish private information (e.g. threatening to ‘out’ someone)
  • Threats to hurt or physically harming a family pet
  • Assault
  • Criminal damage (such as destruction of household goods)
  • Preventing a person from having access to transport or from working
  • Preventing a person from being able to attend school, college or University
  • Family ‘dishonour’
  • Reputational damage
  • Disclosure of sexual orientation
  • Disclosure of HIV status or other medical condition without consent
  • Limiting access to family, friends and finances
fertility
fertility
Oct 17, 2022 10:47 AM

nice find.

October
October
Oct 16, 2022 6:18 PM
WillianHill
WillianHill
Oct 16, 2022 4:18 PM

There are is a heard of elephants in this room.

Firstly: Where are the structures, and more importantly the ideology that holds together an international conspiracy. Hitler got away with his international Jewish conspiracy without addressing this point, you can’t.

Secondly: Why do countries need to be working together in a conspiracy, when they are both evil, and both find means of oppression useful. If the Russians bought a ship load of whips to control slaves, and the US bought a ship load of whips to control slaves, would you say they are working together? I wouldn’t.

Thirdly. Throughout this entire dialogue you never mentioned once the biggest empire in the history of man, which is the American empire. It is an empire that is very well understood, it is very well enforced and has a very strong ideology and in fact acted to destroy the pipeline, cause the 2014 coup and works to prolong the Ukraine war. We don’t need to create a new global force to understand what is happening here.
I am happy to believe that the Russians and the US are reliving the old Nazi-Soviet alliance of the 1930s to split Poland, where today they are working to divide up Europe, but I do not believe they are in cahoots in any long term meaningful way, and are one political force, as a global conspiracy would suggest.

I also note that the collapse of the US empire is real and will be brought about by the collapse of the dollar offering Russia and China great advantage, that is a real political event that is at play here and should be front and center of any discussion of current events.

Note; it serves US interests for the global conspiracy narrative to be propagated & you are also inventing a new political force that has never existed before in history to explain events that can be easily understood.

plino
plino
Oct 16, 2022 7:33 PM
Reply to  WillianHill

So, both empires – the Russian and the United States – participate in WHO, the UN, implement the same WEF-digitalization, Education Development Program, “biosecurity” program and are firmly and repeatedly confirmed in the implementation of the SDGs. Second, they are, as you say, working for the division of Europe (which could not have happened without the effects of the pandemic and the “war”, which Europe is also taking advantage of to lead itself on the path to its destruction; Europe is also in all the above-mentioned alliances and accomplishes the global goals). But they are only in a short-term target relationship, not in a long-term one. That is why they are really fighting in Ukraine, which helps to weaken and divide Europe. Which was already weakened by the plandemic, in which both empires participated equally.

How long is this temporary target union? How far does it go and when does it end? When did it start?

Covid and war have been used by the United States, Russia, Europe, China and the rest of the world to advance in the deconstruction of their societies and reconstruction in the implementation of the same global goals for Sustainable Development, digitalization, biosecurity, right on the matrices of world organizations, which are partner organizations between the same countries, as they say “all private and state stakeholders.”


For a long time, I thought that 2014 and Crimea, for example, were what for years honest, anti-American propaganda-alt-media and analysts presented with evidence. But it turned out that a solid chunk of what I thought was cheap American propaganda about Russia’s involvement was actually true. On the other hand, what the mentioned Media points out is also true. And in fact, 2014 is a much more shared event than the usual fighters against American propaganda present it to us. And not that purely American operation that has tons of material written about it.

What could that mean? Is Russia really the bad country, as American propaganda says? Nothing like that. It means that 2014 is a loud and big psyop-an event that perpetuates the illusion of division between those who are now actively and excellently partnering for about 3 years. It’s always “but what about 2014???”, this always coming from any country: hardkore American, pro-Russian, modern slava Ukraine, moderate-conspiratorial…; always “and 2014?” solves the question of complicity – there is no such thing “because 2014”.

6 years ago. 6 years before 2020, and 8 years before today. Are you saying that if they’re doing this global scam, 6 or 8 years of planning is a lot? How old are the families and bankers? For how many years have they desired this plan so popular as “One World Government; New World Order” etc. (we’re all tired of these stale names; good thing Klaus said “Great reset” to freshen up a little bit.)

There is no 2014, except as – anchored in the minds of the target smart alternative audience – a supporting propaganda event to be triggered in after time at the appointed time. Funny, loud, incredibly publicized and endlessly repeated, analyzed and reanalyzed, an event in the little Ukraine that really tormented the poor little people of the population there. 2014 is what after time, in a bad case, could be the “covid pandemic” for the “spars pandemic” of 2025 – a false event used to prove a new false event achieving even greater and worse goals.

(You, look well, besides what is happening in the United States and in the West in general, what is happening in Russia, from Russian sources. Then explain to me what they do and why. I’m sure you’re not too aware of much more than the 5 oft-repeated facts.)

That’s what I think. Zurawell and Knightley, I don’t know them, and I don’t know what they talked about, I haven’t listened to the podcast episode.

ChairmanDrusha
ChairmanDrusha
Oct 16, 2022 4:00 PM

Another case of the mysterious, disappearing comment? Totally not censorship.

ChairmanDrusha
ChairmanDrusha
Oct 16, 2022 3:33 PM

If going on TNT radio, have you considered approaching another presenter? Patrick Henninsen? Jeremy Bell? Anyone but Jesse Zurawell?

October
October
Oct 16, 2022 3:40 PM
Reply to  ChairmanDrusha

Why? What do you not like about JZ?

plino
plino
Oct 16, 2022 5:27 PM
Reply to  October

His initials are like the Illuminati Jay Z
Otherwise, he’s not a bad person.

George Mc
George Mc
Oct 16, 2022 3:19 PM

Disturbing revelations from a concerned Graud:

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/oct/16/gb-news-talk-tv-mainstream-media-channels

‘The floundering of GB News and Talk TV reveals a dark truth about the mainstream media
The only reason fringe channels are failing to flourish in Britain’s rightwing media swamp is because it is already full’

(Echoing the joke that there is no room for anti-Semites in the Labour Party because it is already full.)

‘It couldn’t have happened to a nicer channel. GB News ….’

What has GB News done?

‘Sir Paul Marshall, said …. “As investors we’re proud of what GB News is doing for media plurality in the UK, bringing fresh perspectives to the national conversation.” One of the channel’s “fresh perspectives” on the coronavirus vaccine is currently being investigated by media regulator Ofcom.’

This sounds ominous. And there is a link to an article about Naomi Wolf who ‘claimed women were being harmed by Covid vaccines as part of an effort to ‘to destroy British civil society’.’

Well she’s not getting away with that!

‘Ofcom said it would investigate whether the programme broke “rules designed to protect viewers from harmful material” after receiving more than 400 complaints from members of the public.’

400 complaints from members of the public concerned about ‘harmful material’. (Won’t someone think of the children!)

It gets worse:

‘Wolf also compared doctors’ support for the vaccine rollout to the behaviour of the medical profession in Nazi Germany and described herself as the “last remaining independent journalist” willing to question this.’

The host of the show, Mark Steyn, is also in trouble:

‘Steyn’s claims that the jabs cause “every conceivable kind of damage” have been disputed by factchecking websites. He is already the subject of a separate Ofcom investigation over previous comments about vaccination.’

Wolf is not to be trusted! She ‘began as a prominent feminist writer but in recent years her career has taken a hit after she wrote a book partly based on a misunderstanding of English court records. Since then she has veered into the world of conspiracy theories about the impact of 5G telephone masts and the coronavirus vaccine.’

But thankfully ‘Presenter Matthew Sweet …has since kept tabs on her work and GB News’s coverage of the pandemic and accused the channel of repeatedly “broadcasting misinformation about vaccines and presenting conspiracy theorists as legitimate experts on medical matters”.’

But all is not well.

‘The rightwing media swamp isn’t any less fertile. It’s full.’

Brace yourself!

‘Just look around you. … immigrant-bashing,… referred to migrants as “cockroaches …. nasty underbelly of racism …phone-in radio…no refuge from the swamp….unvetted rightwing thinktanks ….climate-crisis deniers…..with figures such as John Cleese casting themselves as rebellious mischief-makers in a bland neutered monoculture. ….raging furnace of rightwing provocation….calamitous rightwing rule’

Just as well we have the Graud and those fact checkers to steer us towards the Light!

Incidentally, this article came under “comment is free”. It certainly is. There isn’t any!

George Mc
George Mc
Oct 16, 2022 2:50 PM

Going for Long Covid in a long way:

https://www.theguardian.com/society/series/living-with-long-covid

When doctors become long Covid patients – and still aren’t believed

Our instinct now is to ignore and deny what we can’t understand or help. I suspect such a reaction stems from fear

A harrowing tale of those suffering from Long and Unbelievably Boring Covid and how they aren’t believed!

But there’s a happy ending:

….I block off time that I do not have. I listen to their tangled narratives from the beginning. I try to feel out and expand the edges of their understanding so that they can prepare themself for the difficult recovery ahead.

Every time I’ve done this, I’ve braced myself. I assume no one wants to hear that they may have an ill-defined and potentially debilitating disease. Yet so far, not a single person has reacted with anger or despondency. What I see in their faces after our conversation is relief.

Finally, someone believes them.

Oh thank God! Somebody finally faces up to the absolutely undeniable existence of Fucking Tediously Repeated Covid!

ChronoChris
ChronoChris
Oct 16, 2022 3:32 PM
Reply to  George Mc

From the same series of articles :

…physiotherapist gave him advice on pacing, an activity management technique to manage his symptoms, and doctors ran a battery of tests on him to rule out other conditions. All came back clear – long Covid is a diagnosis of exclusion.

It has to be long covid because it’s nothing else (that we know of)

George Mc
George Mc
Oct 16, 2022 1:38 PM

Probably off topic but I note that in a Graud piece on the “blasphemous” critique of the vax catechism from rapper M.I.A., once again there are no comments permitted underneath. Isn’t that the most obvious admission that the public – even the readers of the Graud – cannot be trusted to adhere to the offiical bullshit!

Straight Talk
Straight Talk
Oct 16, 2022 1:20 PM

“You cannot get good public policy out of a bad public debate.”
Rethinking Covid | Jay Bhattacharya & Gigi Foster

Straight Talk
Straight Talk
Oct 16, 2022 12:47 PM

Were there bands of protesters roaming the US South, seizing estates and releasing their slaves? No. Slavery ended when people stopped believing in it. It takes a lot of thought energy to support an ideology and its coordinated systems. Once people no longer have “faith” in something, that system loses credibility and eventually disintegrates.

plino
plino
Oct 16, 2022 5:52 PM
Reply to  Straight Talk

I, for my part, have always believed that manipulation through propaganda is done to facilitate the implementation of the business plan that will be carried out anyway. Not that the plan works because people believe in it. Do they actually believe at all; I’m not sure you’ll find over 10% true believers in the letter of the controller narratives. I actually see a lot of smart people among those who are considered fools, the so-called mass. They do not believe, but they believe in the consequences of what will happen to them if they do not believe. And the consequences are very real, so they pretend to believe in order to save themselves the consequences.

The majority knows what will happen if the majority stops believing and actively resists the actions of the much stronger minority, which has all kinds of punitive tools, unlike the majority. Even this choice does not reach the level of reflection and decision-making, but happens as a physical attraction, as the heavier side of the scales defeats the lighter side of the scales. But one cannot stop thinking about things, so in order to save himself additional severe remorse and self-reproach, he pretends to himself that he believes. He pretend not to understand, to stupid, to remove the weight of irresponsibility from his conscience.

From the outside it might look like anything, but if you get close enough and you know how to take enough right steps to dig a little deeper into it, relatively quickly a reasonable person pops out from the inside. But to stay on the surface, it requires a firm and stable foundation on which to stand. But to stay on the surface, he requires a firm and stable foundation on which to stand. If, at the expense of him life, however, a settled daily life, which does not require much effort and heroism on his part to continue, does not require him to fight to survive, but only to do his job, you offer him a fight to the end, with all the potential privations, difficulties and insecurities, how difficult it is to choose? And he knows that in a possible mass confrontation, it can become really dangerous; so the scale weighs.

I don’t see many fools and their true faith, but just smart people reacting and adjusting their lives appropriately. The fact that many of them even understand where things are going is also not enough reason to throw away their lives and resist. The devil on the shoulder still tells them what’s harder and tips the scales. Etc.

What do you mean, “slavery ended when people stopped believing in it”? When slaves, or when slave owners stopped believing? (Although I don’t remember such a story about the end of slavery because of disbelief in it.)

//Otherwise, if you ask me, the whole point of today’s events relates precisely to the conditions of direction of faith. We are not before 2020, we are not before 2022; with just a few eyes you can catch a few completely different and unique elements of today compared to everything before; for example, threats at completely new levels; so the conditions are not only different on one side. But that’s another topic.

plino
plino
Oct 16, 2022 5:59 PM
Reply to  plino

so the conditions are not only different on one side

= so the conditions are different not just on one side 🙄 

Edwige
Edwige
Oct 16, 2022 11:58 AM

Gotta shift that inventory:

https://dumptheguardian.com/science/2022/oct/16/common-drugs-could-fight-obesity-and-diabetes-say-scientists

“Drugs chosen as potential obesity treatments include… carfilzomib, a medicine used in chemotherapy.” Who could possibly object? I volunteer that head of the BIS as the first guinea pig!

Let’s guess what other ailments the unwanted boosters can be re-purposed for…. Halitosis? Feeling a bit down? Some ‘disease’ they haven’t invented yet?

Mucho
Mucho
Oct 16, 2022 11:41 AM

See how the scamming lowlifes in Westminster are introducing new legislation to prevent “eco protestors” (crisis actors from nefarious government and corporate departments and easily led dumb duped idiots who go along with the nonsense) from causing havoc.

Problem
Reaction
Solution

Classic manoeuvre from the scammers, to get their way and rape your freedom one more time. F*ck them. They are a bunch of war criminal scumbags, they are traitors, they are liars, they are protecting people who rape children, they arrange, coerce and terrorise to facilitate the injection of 6 year old children and pregnant women and all humans with a DEMONIC GENETIC BIOWEAPON. They are agents of Satan……filthy, maggot infested, rotten hearted pieces of humans shit. I speak of the British political class. Maybe we should have a bit more taste in who we hand power to.

We must not allow such scum to walk all over our freedom, the system that produced Jimmy Savile is now setting up a Communist Police state in the UK, powered by facial recognition software and a whole lot more Satanic evil technology. You need to realise, they are rolling this stuff out right now and once it is installed, we may as well hang up a sign on the White Cliffs Of Dover saying “WELCOME TO COMMUNIST BRITAIN – THE UKSSR”.

George Mc
George Mc
Oct 16, 2022 10:57 AM

Off topic but:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-63251824

At every turn he casts doubt on what he calls “official narratives”.

Did you get that? ‘what he calls “official narratives”‘!

Thus there are no “official narratives”. What “conspiracy theorists” like Jones calls “official narratives” are the straightforward inerrant truth.

George Mc
George Mc
Oct 16, 2022 10:46 AM

Old habits die very hard. The public were hoodwinked into covid by their long incubated faith in the media. This delusion continues and is likely to keep going till death. But even someone like myself who has realised the deceit of the media still has trouble resigning myself to it. It’s as if there are two voices in my head so that e.g. when I turn to a typically insulting BBC article, I simultaneously think, “What offensive crap!” and also “But it’s the BBC! Surely it must be … reputable!” I am trying very hard to steer myself towards the truth that there is no media diversity at all and they may as well all just be one big Mafia family.

George Mc
George Mc
Oct 16, 2022 9:59 AM

Re: Baudrillard’s essay on the Gulf War, this was misrepresented and the misrepresentation ridiculed by the media to steer people away from any critique of the media construction. I recall possibly Francis Wheen saying something like, “Baudrillard maintained that no-one died which must have come as a relief to the bereaved.” And there you have that “witty” arse licking mode which also manages to be morally outraged at the same time.

Edwige
Edwige
Oct 16, 2022 10:15 AM
Reply to  George Mc

My main memory of Wheen is that he was always denying that intelligence agencies were of any importance or had ever made any diference to anything. How’s that looking now?

Wheen opposed the Falklands War but supported Kosovo and Iraq 2 which makes him look like one of those tasked to peddle the dialectic with only “Tory wars” wrong.

George Mc
George Mc
Oct 16, 2022 10:31 AM
Reply to  Edwige

Wheen stands at the beginning of my own awakening. He wrote a dismal piece of phony critique called “How Mumbo Jumbo Conquered The World” (the very title is a piece of cutesy self-congratulation). In it he attacked both Noam Chomsky and John Pilger in underhanded ways. And when I sussed that out, such was my naivety, I thought it a thunderclap and I carried out my own self-congratulation … before finding out that I had barely begun this voyage into Hell. And to think I have now lost faith in both Chomsky and Pilger.  

Johnnycomelately
Johnnycomelately
Oct 16, 2022 9:45 AM

AP Fact Check @APFactCheck

Pfizer never claimed to have tested the impact of its COVID-19 vaccine on transmission ahead of its 2020 release, despite misleading claims suggesting the company lied about this issue. Such studies were conducted after its rollout. Here are the facts.

https://t.co/vf8fXkV66m

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Johnnycomelately
Johnnycomelately
Oct 16, 2022 9:46 AM

ow yes they did…..
AP Fact Check @APFactCheck
https://twitter.com/APFactCheck/status/1580686606343995392

Thom
Thom
Oct 16, 2022 7:02 AM

There doesn’t seem to be any need for resistance. Most people gave up taking covid seriously long ago, and the New Normal was simply a fantasy of spooks even more incompetent than the governments they served.

George Mc
George Mc
Oct 16, 2022 9:16 AM
Reply to  Thom

In my experience, covid is now complacently accepted everywhere as a new “fact of life” and everyone lines up for their vaxxes as a matter of course now. There is no point in highlighting the absurdities of the preposterous pseudo-pandemic since they were obvious from the start but, such was the skill – or perhaps just the sheer brutality – of the initial “shock and awe” phase, that covid was sealed quickly into the public consciousness and generated a new psychological formation.

Johnnycomelately
Johnnycomelately
Oct 16, 2022 9:29 AM
Reply to  George Mc

Did you see the no need for much advertisement either,? They get ‘The come get the vaccine’ direct to there phone / email now.

Fugazi Shoe-gazy
Fugazi Shoe-gazy
Oct 16, 2022 12:37 PM
Reply to  George Mc

Too many ppl didn’t get the 2nd or 3rd shot though – I think we have to give the general public a little credit here. If compliance was still so universal the President wouldn’t be going on 60 Minutes saying the pandemic is over. The spell has certainly worn off a bit.

wardropper
wardropper
Oct 16, 2022 1:29 PM
Reply to  Thom

Most people…???

Oh, if only…
Next time the TV tells people a 5th or 6th jab will be available in their neighbourhood ‘to keep them safe’, they’ll be queueing up just like they did before.

Yesterday Icelandic news was recommending everybody over 24 should get a polio shot if they’re going abroad, because a couple of people in New York and London got the disease from being too close to the old sewers in those cities.

So, “a couple of people in New York” (pop. close to 9 million) is now statistically significant enough for a warning to be necessary for people in Iceland…?

I’m afraid ‘most people’ no longer recognize their own face in the mirror.

Albert Anderson
Albert Anderson
Oct 16, 2022 3:53 AM

As far as the resistance, we have the truth on our side. We have facts. I was just reading an article by Chuck Baldwin on LewRockwell.com, “Can we ever Trust the Medical Establishment Again?” (short answer – no), and he talked about a couple reports that have come out, one by Dr. David Martin and another by Mac Slavo, showing the incredible adverse effects of the fake vaccines and warning that it’s only the beginning. It couldn’t get any more basic than that. It’s the truth.

Truth vs Lies.

Can We Ever Trust The Medical Establishment Again? – LewRockwell LewRockwell.com

But the lies are still winning because they own the media, and we are just struggling to stay in it without being neutered like a dangerous dog. If they want to, they can just shut us up, completely turn off the truth, legislate the truth away, make it illegal to speak the truth, and establish that the only truth comes from them. That is exactly what they’re doing. We were warned this would happen by many, like Orwell and Huxley. In hindsight, their warnings were probably a no brainer for those who truly believe in liberty and freedom as human beings on this planet, and understand the enemy we’re dealing with, because look where we are, we’re there. They were right. Their warnings could not stop it, but I thank them anyway.

I get the feeling that there are more of us than we realize, but then again not. When has it ever worked out that way? The French revolution? The American revolution? Turns out nothing is what it seemed. I do think if we think we can rely on our political systems and in turn our political representatives and in turn VOTING within these completely controlled political systems, we’ll be dead wrong.

Seems like if the real truth doesn’t get out, nothing will change. Maybe it is, slowly but surely. We have to pit ourselves against them, the governments. Make people put up or shut up, you either say you believe everything the government tells you, which should be a clear sign of insanity at this day and age, or you face reality. Like George W. Bush said, as despicable as person as he is, “you’re either with us, or against us”. I would add, and with them.

Janey B.
Janey B.
Oct 16, 2022 4:16 AM

The truth is getting out, but what do people do with it? Keep marching?

The Dark Lords minions are punishing those against their plan by financial means; why are we not doing the same back to them? Also putting pressure on local MPs?

I notice some of these groups disparagingly refer to the public as “sheep”. Is that because they are shepherds?

Boycotts work. Funny how the old unions also refused to use boycotts to further the interests of their paying members. 😉

mgeo
mgeo
Oct 16, 2022 8:00 AM
Reply to  Janey B.

Sheep used to be the term for good people – who choose the “right” options or beliefs.

Johnny
Johnny
Oct 16, 2022 2:30 AM

The successor to David North at WSWS?
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2022/10/15/edfd-o15.html
Zealots are ambitious, dangerous and arrogant.
They take no prisoners, heed no dissent and are above critique.

George Mc
George Mc
Oct 16, 2022 8:01 AM
Reply to  Johnny

The greatest comedy in the world:

“From the beginning we’ve been the only political movement in the world that has taken the pandemic seriously, and today we are the only party that still recognizes the ongoing and, in fact, deepening dangers of the pandemic.”

Only the WSWS have been taking covid seriously! That’s why they are the only ones talking about it!

Graham Greene
Graham Greene
Oct 16, 2022 8:08 AM
Reply to  Johnny

How about this for penetrating insight from the WSWS or whatever they call themselves.

When one looks at who has been killed by COVID, the overwhelming majority have been the elderly.” (sic!)

And here was me thinking that old people simply have a tendency to die of old age, or flu, or any number of common ailments; always been the case, always will.

Johnny
Johnny
Oct 16, 2022 8:39 AM
Reply to  Graham Greene

Self serving attention seekers.
Someone should tell em: Socialism is dead.
Forever.

George Mc
George Mc
Oct 16, 2022 9:10 AM
Reply to  Johnny

The old arguments about capitalism/socialism are utterly irrelevant now. “Socialism” was mostly a noise to serve as a more acceptable version of capitalism i.e. a prop as an aid to the capitalist enterprise which was always supreme everywhere. Socialism was the pressure valve release that permitted the workers to blow off to the “understanding” supervisor about how shitty the boss was whilst the supervisor nodded consolation … and then told you (nicely) to get on with the job anyway.

The WSWS and every other “Leftist” organisation are now revealed as utterly controlled operations to perform the above service and, it is now clear, to usher in a modification of capitalism – or, if you prefer, the introduction of a neo-feudalism – when the shit really hit the fan.

Johnny
Johnny
Oct 16, 2022 10:11 AM
Reply to  George Mc

The “me, me, me, l, l, l” ‘smart’ technology has been the final nail in the coffin of socialism.
Rampant narcissism, celebrity worship and online shopping would have Marx and Co spinning in their graves.
We can be sure that the WSWS hierarchy and their minions do not live in voluntary poverty.
Anyway, they have committed themselves to the Covid religion and they can’t back down, no matter what.

George Mc
George Mc
Oct 16, 2022 10:34 AM
Reply to  Johnny

Rampant narcissism, celebrity worship and online shopping would have Marx and Co spinning in their graves.

True enough. And even the Leftists who have seen through the covid crap are still trapped in the post WW2 rewrite of Marx, stuck in that academic Marxist bullshit. Ooh “reification”, “mimesis”, “anti-Semitism” etc.

Fugazi Shoe-gazy
Fugazi Shoe-gazy
Oct 16, 2022 12:46 PM
Reply to  Johnny

Such a good point – the gap between theory and “praxis” is enormous. Ditto for the “great reset” – how anyone can reconcile their current lifestyle with purportedly saving the planet is a mystery.

siamdave
siamdave
Oct 16, 2022 1:53 PM
Reply to  George Mc

the ‘true right’, aka the neo-feudalist-capitalists at this historical time, have done a very fine job of convincing many people that the evil they do can be blamed on their enemy, the ‘true left’. They get an A+ in Sun Tzu. It’s not ‘the left’ trying to take over the world and shut down free speech and all that other bad stuff – it’s ‘the right’!! https://www.rudemacedon.ca/vgi/backgrounders/collectivist%20plot%20omg.html

siamdave
siamdave
Oct 16, 2022 1:48 PM
Reply to  Johnny

so if ‘socialism’ is dead, then capitalism forever?? tell me how that’s working out then …

Johnny
Johnny
Oct 16, 2022 11:34 PM
Reply to  siamdave

It works for the 1% and middle class materialists but that’s it.
The rest are wage slaves or victims of planned poverty.

George Mc
George Mc
Oct 16, 2022 9:03 AM
Reply to  Johnny

Even for the spook Left, the WSWS have been exceptional. The most extreme of the extreme. Had they had their way, the world would have been in lockdown since spring 2020, masks would be compulsory 24/7 everywhere, no-one would be allowed in the same room as anyone else, vaccines would be administered to everyone every half hour, any alternative info would be banned under threat of execution and the film 1984 would be shown as glamorous escapism!

Of course the rulers, who the WSWS clearly serve, are perfectly aware that none of that was feasible – even in Australia! – but they rigged the Trot site to project an archetypal überstate to serve as the far end of the cage they wanted to create.

George Mc
George Mc
Oct 16, 2022 9:35 AM
Reply to  Johnny

The self-delusion of the WSWS continues to astonish – and I’m not even talking about their covid cowering crapola but their long established communist party outfit charade. Take the opening:

“Revolutionary greeting to comrades throughout world.”

The rest of this dismal sermon is yet another regurgitation of that possibly software generated covid-speak that sprang fully formed in 2020. Scary scary statistics, charts and graphs and schematics etc. Just look at this:

https://www.wsws.org/asset/cfa74232-db79-4b06-825b-f2d63f97ed6f?rendition=image1280

Can you believe that? It’s largely the same list of symptoms that could be indicative of any number of ailments but “sexed up” with a visual presentation.

And then after a detour via some more gish gallop and a nice photo of Engels we get some scary updating on monkeypox. Yes, it seems that (and in this case their claims about being exceptional may be right) the WSWS are the only outfit that are still flogging this dead donkey.

Last paragraph:

“As we’ll discuss later this week….”

When did you ever discuss anything?

Johnny
Johnny
Oct 16, 2022 10:22 AM
Reply to  George Mc

Looks like a diagram dreamed up by Stephen King or Edgar Allen Poe.

George Mc
George Mc
Oct 16, 2022 10:48 AM
Reply to  Johnny

More like Chris Morris:

Johnny
Johnny
Oct 16, 2022 11:06 AM
Reply to  George Mc

Mmm.
I’ve got an idea for whose heads we can mount on sticks George.
It would make a god-awful museum piece.

syllamo
syllamo
Oct 16, 2022 2:27 AM

Nice discussion and worth a listen as it leans out of the acceptable windows of the so-called ‘alternative’ mind.
There is indeed a lot more going on than anyone can even imagine within this global ‘operation’ yet most seem content on bickering until the end; what ‘resistance’?
Nice to see you get it Kit, at least enough to step out of yourself to get a wider angle.
😉

Sometimes it seems that the ‘movement’ tends to rock back and forth but never really goes anywhere; makes me sort of seasick.

Janey B.
Janey B.
Oct 16, 2022 2:44 AM
Reply to  syllamo

What “resistance” indeed. For over 2 years now I have unsuccessfully been trying to promote boycotts, but we are a micro-group, and get no support from the “Freedom Movement Leaders”, and have had our admin account on telegram actually blocked from popular “Freedom” channels, without rhyme or reason.

Ditto to trying to get support to put pressure on local MPs (no matter what “party”), who have had NO PRESSURE brought to bear by these groups as well. Ditto to making protection of human rights as a central issue. Just marching. 2 years of marching with little achieved.

Janey B.
Janey B.
Oct 16, 2022 2:17 AM

Fascinating discussion, and I think Kit is right on the money when he says this is orchestrated. It furthers the WEF agenda, which Russia is right on board with.

Putin has long been in with the WEF crowd, and his exclusion from Davos this year is obviously for show.

syllamo
syllamo
Oct 16, 2022 3:12 AM
Reply to  Janey B.

Have to admit though, that if it wasn’t so ominous, it is a great show to behold.
#GlassHalfFull?

Janey B.
Janey B.
Oct 16, 2022 3:25 AM
Reply to  syllamo

Yes.

Graham Greene
Graham Greene
Oct 16, 2022 8:28 AM
Reply to  Janey B.

But of course, Putin is pulling all the strings and in the pay of Biden and the collective West. The fact that he didn’t go to Davos proves he is part of the conspiracy – yeah right! The war in Ukraine is just an elaborate fake. It’s not happening, ‘even when it is happening it’s not happening’. To quote Harold Pinter.

The geopolitical facts are that there is a reordering of the world going on. The Global South and the Eurasian bloc is in the process of breaking away from the Anglo-Zionist empire. This is a massive geopolitical shift taking place for those with the eyes to see it. 9 political leaders in Africa have been assassinated With US Government or Western Intelligence Support. Presumably that was ‘fake’ as well. The same is true in Latin America.

Sophie - Admin1
Admin
Sophie - Admin1
Oct 16, 2022 9:40 AM
Reply to  Graham Greene

You’re building a straw man and knocking it down, meanwhile refusing to engage with all the massed evidence of supranational collusion since 2020.

Graham Greene
Graham Greene
Oct 16, 2022 11:19 AM

”You’re building a straw man and knocking it down, meanwhile refusing to engage with all the massed evidence of supranational collusion since 2020.”

Errrm. So are you!

In the real world of geopolitics there is a massive struggle going on engaging the Atlanticist bloc, the rising Eurasian bloc and the global south. At the respective frontiers real wars are taking place – not fake wars! What you call supranational collusion is basically diplomacy which waxes and wanes between the contending powers. The global hegemon, the United States, is losing turf, after a long period of dominance. This much is irrefutable.

In an interesting book ‘Rogue State’ the American author William Blum (unfortunately now deceased) he noted that the United States had since 1945,

  • Endeavoured to overthrow more than 50 foreign governments
  • Grossly interfered in democratic elections in at least 30 countries
  • Attempted to assassinate (often successfully) more than 50 foreign leaders.
  • Dropped bombs on more than 30 countries
  • Attempted to supress (again quite successfully) a populist or nationalist movement in more than 20 countries.

Here’s another take. ”Confessions of an Economic Hit Man. How America Really Took Over the World.” by John Perkins.

”Money that had been budgeted for health care, education and other social services was diverted to pay interest on IMF loans. In the end the principal was never paid down; the wretched impoverished state was shacked by debt. ~Then the IMF hit men arrived and demanded that the government offer its oil or other resources to US Corporations at cut-rate prices, and that the country privatise its electric, water, sewer and other public service institutions and sell them to the corporatocracy – Big Business was the winner.” p.13.

This is what goes on in the real world.

The fact that you neither think the above is not really important and is anyway all fake is rather telling

Sam - Admin2
Admin
Sam - Admin2
Oct 16, 2022 12:19 PM
Reply to  Graham Greene

Again you’re doing exactly what Sophie describes above. No one says that there is zero geopolitics, they say that Covid laid bare a level of geopolitical coordination in order to control and impoverish populations hitherto unseen and rarely imagined, and this must be accounted for.

Writng in 2006, let’s extrapolate John Perkins’ words logically nearly 17 years on – unchecked supranational corporate monopoly spread across the world in an internet age.

Let’s account for the level of coordination which we witnessed peek out from behind the curtain in 2020. This is also geopolitics, of a new kind. A level of global governance never witnessed before, tacitly acknowledged over and over again. Let’s update our worldview and account for this, rather than s8moly ignore it and hop back in time 17 years. A2

George Mc
George Mc
Oct 16, 2022 1:17 PM
Reply to  Sam - Admin2

And when considering the underlying unity revealed by the covid con, also consider the fact that even now 30 months (and counting) after the con began the Left sites still shovel the covid shit. So you’ll forgive me if I am no longer impressed by the usual props flourished e.g. Pinter’s speech or Blum’s book when these are only being produced to distract from the unavoidable revelation of this central power spanning nationalities supposedly at each other’s throat, especially when that old Leftist rhetoric is the one precisely being used to shill for the vaccines and demonise genuine dissenters.

Seansaighdeor
Seansaighdeor
Oct 16, 2022 11:34 AM

2020 was a long time ago as far as politics is concerned. Things change.

Hitler in the 30’s was also in the loop funded by the same Wall Street bankers as funded the Russian revolution.

Hitler then went ‘off the reservation’ planning and distributing his own currency and turning around a German economy that had been a basket case into a success.

Printing his own currency and breaking away from the Anglo-Zio empire made him public enemy number one to the PTB though so he had to be destroyed.

There are a lot of similarities to what is happening now to what happened then.

Violet
Violet
Oct 16, 2022 2:29 PM
Reply to  Seansaighdeor

“Germany is getting too strong we must destroy her”.

Winston (warmonger) Churchill November 1936.