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A Valid Argument

Todd Hayen

“Sheep, I don’t know what’s wrong with sheep these days.” (sung to the tune of Kids! from the musical Bye Bye Birdie).

So what else is new? Sort of feels like Ground Hog Day (the movie). Every morning I get out of bed thinking that something must be different.

Where is the sheep position today? Has it shifted?

I have a few friends who are like canaries in the coal mine to me. I check them like litmus paper to see which way the wind is blowing in sheepdom, how acidic is the sheep environment, and needless to say I am continually surprised. (I’ll say it again, I still love my sheep friends and family!!)

Sometimes I get my hopes up. “Major revelation about Covid vaccines!” “Judge rules in favour of eliminating mask mandate!” “Excess death numbers prove vaccine is killing people!” But this is all coming from shrews.

Sheep? Crickets.

Nothing, and I mean nothing, ever gets through. No matter what news or new discovery or new journal article I send my sheep friends, I always get a rejection: “that journal is known for a ‘far right’ stance, so I didn’t read it,” or “those statistics are made up, they are not reliable,” or “that is not an objective interpretation,” or “that is just anecdotal and sensationalized subjective misinformation.”

You’ve heard the riff.

Maybe at the very beginning some of these responses could be considered valid rejections. Back when it was indeed difficult to find any “contrary to the narrative” information that was not, at the time, speculative or subjective.

Now? I don’t think any of these excuses intended to turn the head the other way stands up to scrutiny.

Tens of thousands of credentialed and credible doctors and scientists are presenting objective and evidential conclusions regarding the unsafe and ineffective status of the Covid vaccines. Millions of regular people are listening to these experts and drawing common sense, as well as informed, opinions about the true dangers (not much) of Covid as well as the true dangers (a lot) of these vaccines.

These doctors are also speaking out about the alternative treatments such as Ivermectin and Hydroxychloroquine that have shown since day one to be an effective and safe treatment against Covid-19. Millions have been exposed to this information, and have listened carefully, and know from their own critical analysis, as well as from their own experience if they have been treated, that these interventions are indeed safe and effective.

This is no piss in the bucket. We are talking about millions of people, and even if you still find the average person’s testimony, opinion, and experience to be anecdotal and not evidential, then look at the scientists, doctors, economists, public health officials, high ranking military officers, who are all coming forward and expressing their expert opinions and their clinical experiences.

Are all of these people to be ignored? Are they all fools?

I think it is clear that we definitely have come to a place we can at least have a valid argument about all of this. But instead, if we bring it up, we are still snubbed and treated like idiots at best, and criminally insane at worst.

Why is this?

I have some close lifelong friends who treat me as stated above. It isn’t the disagreement that bothers me; it is the blind dismissal of clearly obvious facts and figures regarding the Covid situation.

If these friends acknowledged that there was indeed valid material to discuss, but still disagreed, I would not be as bewildered. I have told people like them before, people who have insisted they have looked at the alternative information around all this and still rejected it, that I doubt if they really have looked.

But seldom do they get so far as to even make such a claim; usually they just dismiss me as a fool, and certainly dismiss any information they “accidentally” stumbled upon as devoid of any rationality.

We are beyond dismissing luminaries such as Dr. Peter McCollough, Dr. Robert Malone, Dr. Pierre Kory, Dr. Paul Marik, and thousands of other reputable doctors as charlatans or men and women selfishly seeking their 15 minutes of fame. We are beyond believing that the “authorities” in our government are justified in censoring these people and others like them due to a deceitful effort to protect the community.

This is an atrocious untruth that clearly has been shown to be just that. It is time that we, as a global community, come to our senses and understand there is something seriously wrong out there that we need to genuinely address.

Even cult members can wake up. Usually cult members are thoroughly indoctrinated within a contained and isolated environment. It is easy to compare what is happening in the world with what happens in a cult. There are many similarities. But I am not convinced we are so deeply ensconced in this insanity that we cannot, as a community, break out of it and do what is right.

So far, however, I am being proven wrong.

There are, indeed, many who have “seen the light” and their logic reasoning powers have come forward enough to at least enable them to look at the information that is available. Many of these people have “come over” to this side of the debate. But many have not.

The people ignoring all of this at this point in time when the house is clearly burning down are acting like obstinate little children refusing to admit they were wrong. It is too late to take that stance. This valid argument is sitting on the table ready to be objectively examined—by everyone.

These people cannot continue to ignore this reality. It is clear, plain, and simple.

And obviously action must be taken before it is too late.

Systems go terribly out of control when people don’t stop them when they are going mildly out of control.”
Jordan Peterson

Todd Hayen is a registered psychotherapist practicing in Toronto, Ontario, Canada. He holds a PhD in depth psychotherapy and an MA in Consciousness Studies. He specializes in Jungian, archetypal, psychology. Todd also writes for his own substack, which you can read here

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fertility
fertility
Oct 26, 2022 4:07 PM

RedRidingHood
RedRidingHood
Oct 25, 2022 9:31 PM

“it is easier to fool someone than to convince him that he has been fooled.” – Mark Twain. These jabbed people refuse to look at the evidence because they don’t want to face the not so pleasant real consequences of their medical naiveté, but face them they will sooner than later. You can lead a horse to water, but….

covidiot
covidiot
Oct 25, 2022 9:10 AM

The people ignoring all of this at this point in time when the house is clearly burning down are acting like obstinate little children refusing to admit they were wrong. It is too late to take that stance.

it’s too late for them; they’ll be dead soon enough, especially if they keep taking the Safe And Effective poison shots, at which point the argument will be effectively over.

actually, it already is; there is no point in continuing to talk to these people. if they’re too stupid to live, then that’s just how it is, sadly or otherwise. if you are too stupid to run away when a hungry tiger, or a hungry billionaire, is trying to eat you, then you will soon enjoy the natural consequences of your defective understanding of the world.

survival of the fittest, etc.

K. Cavan
K. Cavan
Oct 25, 2022 1:29 AM

There are three reasons why people are like this, TV, TV & TV. Actually, I’m not being truthful, there’s a fourth reason, TV.

Alan
Alan
Oct 24, 2022 3:46 PM

If the general population hasn’t the capacity for critical thinking or at least a working bullshitometer, the general population will be ruled by creeps and frauds. Public discussion will be reduced to a shouting match between idiots who think what comes over the corporate PA system is the voice of god, and idiots who get their fear-based anti-rational notions from an assortment of hucksters operating on the sheep pen’s margins. Turns out black sheep are no smarter than white ones. Different color, same animal. The voices of actual working medical scientists like Ioannidis are ignored in favor of the likes of Anthony Fauci, on the one hand, and Sam Bailey on the other. The first time I saw Fauci stand up to talk about Covid, I burst out laughing, because no one who’s ever seen a corrupt little climber preening himself on achieving peak asshole needed to bother looking up… Read more »

Speedwellian
Speedwellian
Oct 26, 2022 4:26 AM
Reply to  Alan

Attacking the Sam, that’s weak. What’s your beef? Put up or shut up.

Cela
Cela
Oct 23, 2022 4:07 PM

We should not discount the nano / graphene / 5G / EMF-based mass conditioning of the jabbed and the heavily-chemtrailed. Their free thinking is being overridden. This is one of the basic goals of the jabs–transhumanist mind control. Unless one is super-critical to begin with, the mind tech will overcome the evidence for the less-than-critical.

“We can aerosolize nanobots to clump your blood or neuromodulate masses”–DARPA

https://open.substack.com/pub/anamihalceamdphd/p/literally-mindblowing-we-can-aerosolize

Cela
Cela
Oct 23, 2022 4:32 PM
Reply to  Cela

The real luminaries are Dr Andrew Kaufman, Dr Tom Cowan, Dr Stefan Lanka, Drs Sam & Mark Bailey, Jon Rappoport et al. The Terrain Crowd. Drs Malone, McCullough et al are stuck in a false germ paradigm, and their spiel is ineffectual against the next scamdemic, like say, the emerging Boston University lab-leaked super-virus narrative. Best to nip this nonsense in the bud and vocally refute germ theory. In my mind, the Malones of the world are enablers… controlled opposition whether they realize it or not.

sabelmouse
sabelmouse
Oct 23, 2022 11:01 AM

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Johnno
Johnno
Oct 23, 2022 6:08 AM

The blind dismissal of clearly obvious facts and figures regarding the Covid situation may be the result of cognitive dissonance. What if you suspected that you had been lied to, taken for a ride, treated as a sucker and incurred lifelong medical problems? Would you admit that or deny it?

covidiot
covidiot
Oct 25, 2022 9:22 AM
Reply to  Johnno

taken for a ride

maybe they should have had the good sense to get off that ride, at some point before they rolled up their sleeves for billy gates’ magical mystery juice. there was a whole year, or more, of transparently obvious bullshit, before that irreversible decision was taken.

Placental_Mammal
Placental_Mammal
Oct 26, 2022 10:10 AM
Reply to  covidiot

You discount the extreme coercion that huge segments of the population were subjected to in 2021.

Louis Gatto
Louis Gatto
Oct 23, 2022 12:19 AM

Beautifully written, and oh so true. Thank you.

George Mc
George Mc
Oct 22, 2022 9:54 PM

Interesting how Lars Logan’s “coming out” as Right Wing Fundamentalist denouncer of insect food happens just as the big insect push is heating up:

Johnny
Johnny
Oct 23, 2022 11:12 AM
Reply to  George Mc

Sky News?
C’mon George you can do better than that.
They’re worse than a pack of rabid wolves.

George Mc
George Mc
Oct 23, 2022 1:08 PM
Reply to  Johnny

What is interesting is that, even though it’s Sky News, they are clearly rejecting the notion of insect food. Of course they would never take a stand against the covid narrative. So this proves that, as far as cockroach candy bars go, the overlords know they can’t push this too far at the moment.

K. Cavan
K. Cavan
Oct 25, 2022 1:34 AM
Reply to  Johnny

Sky News Australia is completely different from the UK version, different owners, completely different political stance, almost polar opposite, in fact.

mariusmioc
mariusmioc
Oct 22, 2022 9:16 PM

I succesfully convinced my former wife, mother of my daughter, after she took 2 jabs (and felt bad after them), to stop taking the 3rd. And I convinced my daughter to avoid the jab.
Dialogue is possible.

Lucius Licinius
Lucius Licinius
Oct 23, 2022 6:09 AM
Reply to  mariusmioc

Did you convince anyone else?

George Mc
George Mc
Oct 23, 2022 9:11 AM
Reply to  mariusmioc

Good for you. Any attempt at discussion for me usually ended up in a psychotic row. And I am sure that that was part of the agenda to begin with i.e. the rulers know that stoking up anger is a good way of dividing people if the anger results in being directed against each other. With covid this was very much part of the indoctrination with covidians wrathfully denouncing the unvaxxed whilst those like myself who thought the propaganda so outrageously obvious found it hard to contain their irritation at the unthinking smugness of the media worshippers.

Now I don’t discuss it at all.

Speedwellian
Speedwellian
Oct 26, 2022 4:51 AM
Reply to  George Mc

Not only that, they thought is was fine if our lives were destroyed. We were being selfish, think of Grandma etc. I was shocked at how completely, a large amount of people would have and could have, rounded us up, and dispatched of us onto cattle trucks thinking, it was the right thing. Smug defined.

K. Cavan
K. Cavan
Oct 25, 2022 1:42 AM
Reply to  mariusmioc

I couldn’t convince one mate, he took a booster, his third injection. He got very ill & said never again but the fact is, that was too late & his reaction to a recent cold makes it clear his immune system is damaged. There’s no point crying over spilt milk, so I just leave it out, now.

Nick Baam
Nick Baam
Oct 22, 2022 9:02 PM

The worst thing about covid isn’t that they pulled it off, it’s that they ever thought they could.

Placental_Mammal
Placental_Mammal
Oct 22, 2022 11:09 PM
Reply to  Nick Baam

Chutzpah of the highest order.

covidiot
covidiot
Oct 25, 2022 9:31 AM

it’s only chutzpah if the suckers are intellectually capable of perceiving it as such, which in this case they obviously were not.

covidiot
covidiot
Oct 25, 2022 9:34 AM
Reply to  Nick Baam

they weren’t wrong though, were they.

I’m sure that the prior astonishing success of the 9/11/2001 hoax greatly emboldened them. as a wise man once said, the greater the lie, the more people will believe it.

syl shawcross
syl shawcross
Oct 22, 2022 8:47 PM

Well done Todd as ever. Your articles bring home the truth of people’s lives struggling with real world issues. You are admirably tenacious and forthright.

Antipropo
Antipropo
Oct 22, 2022 8:44 PM

The obdurate refusal of people to accept that they were lied to about the NEVER,STILL NOT isolated “virus”and the alleged disease it caused,the “vaccines” etc can I believe be easily explained. Having swallowed the entire story,stayed home,wore the mask, abandoned dying family in hospital,shunned and insulted friends who did not go along etc,they just can’t face what complete fools they have been.

ColorBlind
ColorBlind
Oct 23, 2022 4:47 PM
Reply to  Antipropo

https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-covid-rna-idUSL1N2LS27P

I wish you luck with your view of reality.

Ort
Ort
Oct 23, 2022 7:30 PM
Reply to  ColorBlind

I wish you luck with your apparent view that if a Reuters fact-checker asserts it– why, it must be true!

Suavek
Suavek
Oct 24, 2022 11:03 PM
Reply to  ColorBlind

Mike Yeadon said the virus has indeed been isolated. But it is still not a deadly cholera. Covid-19 is comparable to a moderately severe flu (credible figures/studies from prof.John Ioannidis ). So why are we arguing ? The issue of isolating the virus is unimportant, can be poorly tested, and can only confuse people even more.We should be careful not to give ammunition to the sheep !

Cela
Cela
Oct 27, 2022 9:52 PM
Reply to  Suavek

Actually, Mike Yeadon made an earth-shattering admission that “RESPIRATORY VIRUSES DO NOT EXIST,” crediting Drs Andrew Kaufman & Tom Cowan for convincing him of the error of germ theory.

Suavek
Suavek
Oct 28, 2022 1:49 PM
Reply to  Cela

Hello Cela !
Thank you for your VERY important correction ! However, I believe that this issue is too difficult and needs many years to be clarified. I believe that we should concentrate on facts that are already well provable today. Persuasion is the most important thing at the moment. After all, we are witnessing the biggest fraud of all times. Mass murder included ! Therefore, we should concentrate on what has already been clarified, i.e. on understandable and proven facts. People should research what has long been proven and what is easy to understand : The Covid-19 vaccinations damage the immune system and do no good, they are pointless and only do harm.

Suavek
Suavek
Oct 28, 2022 2:12 PM
Reply to  Suavek

Easy to understand : After MULTIPLE YEARS of testing, 99% of new vaccines and medicines end up in the bin. Because they turn out to be harmful ! One may ask : What are the chances that rapidly designed mRNA drugs and vaccines will do more good than harm ?

covidiot
covidiot
Oct 25, 2022 9:38 AM
Reply to  Antipropo

they just can’t face what complete fools they have been.

they won’t have to for much longer, as they’ll experience Sudden Adult Death Syndrome, soon enough.

Jeffrey Strahl
Jeffrey Strahl
Oct 22, 2022 7:56 PM

You’ll post just about any inane stuff, but not have Torsten Engelbrecht and his co-writers do an update on the 1/31/21 piece on the lack of proof for SARS-CoV-2, is that how it is?

Albert Anderson
Albert Anderson
Oct 22, 2022 7:18 PM

We’re entering totalitarian dystopia. The resistance is real. This is not a drill.

Penelope
Penelope
Oct 22, 2022 7:14 PM

I’ve been awake since 1963, before they killed John Kennedy. My question all these long years has been, “How many people do we need, and to do what?” I still don’t have a wonderful answer to it, but I doubt very much that we need anything approaching a majority: Set the wheels of revolutionary change in motion and all those frightened of the bandwagon will find it suddenly attractive. So long as you ask them to join you in your pessimism and despair many will not. Hopelessness is so frightening that many cannot allow it to enter consciousness. Only a course of ACTION allows expression for such courage as they– and we– possess. Stop calling THEM sheep & put the responsibility where it belongs: It is the responsibility of the awakened to devise a course of action. It is OUR responsibility and no amount of loudly calling others sheep will… Read more »

Lulu
Lulu
Oct 23, 2022 2:02 AM
Reply to  Penelope

Excellent post, Penelope – thank you!
How frustrating for you to have been awake for so long, and having to wait AEONS for the rest of us to catch up… but it’s happening!

Penelope
Penelope
Oct 23, 2022 11:47 PM
Reply to  Lulu

Lulu, actually a huge number woke up when President Kennedy was killed, but since there was no action that we could figure out how to take most went back to sleep.

covidiot
covidiot
Oct 25, 2022 9:48 AM
Reply to  Penelope

It is the responsibility of the awakened to devise a course of action.

as many people pointed out from the very beginning, the rational course of action is both obvious and simple: don’t comply.

for those who compliantly rolled up their sleeves for billy gates’ magical mystery juice, it’s unfortunately too late to reverse that decision. those who didn’t, will undoubtedly continue not complying, having seen for themselves the merits of that strategy.

George Mc
George Mc
Oct 22, 2022 7:06 PM

By Christ is the TV news hammering this bit about “Italy’s most Right Wing government since the war” meme. What’s that all about? A restaging of 1939?

mgeo
mgeo
Oct 23, 2022 8:11 AM
Reply to  George Mc

Gladio killed an Italian PM for a lot less. Now, there are all those armaments “for Ukraine” floating around Europe. Remember the helicopter (or plane) crash of weapons in Italy a few months ago.

Velvet Revolution
Velvet Revolution
Oct 23, 2022 2:20 PM
Reply to  mgeo

Moro was a lot more dangerous to the establishment at that time (during the Cold War) than the new Italian PM Meloni is. Hence his elimination by Gladio. Moro’s attempt to unite the right and the left, to make a stronger country for Italians, was a direct threat to the NA/EU establishment and their goals for the future of Europe. Meloni will be on board with nearly all EU/NATO mandates – but maybe she will surprise… Only time will tell.

Velvet Revolution
Velvet Revolution
Oct 25, 2022 5:33 PM
Reply to  George Mc

No, it is the MSM wanting you to believe as such…

Placental_Mammal
Placental_Mammal
Oct 26, 2022 10:19 AM
Reply to  George Mc

How can you be “conservative” and elect female leaders ?

Tom Larsen
Tom Larsen
Oct 22, 2022 6:06 PM

RE: “We are beyond dismissing luminaries such as Dr. Peter McCollough, Dr. Robert Malone, Dr. Pierre Kory, Dr. Paul Marik, and thousands of other reputable doctors as charlatans or men and women selfishly seeking their 15 minutes of fame.”   I do regard the people listed above as acting in good faith and are trying to do what they can to bring people suffering from illness back to health. However, they have pretty much bought the official narrative as is. They believe that there is/was a deadly virus that plagued the planet from March 11 2020 onward, that had their “early treatment” been adopted widely, that hundreds of thousands of lives would have been saved (this is not altogether wrong, which I will get into later). They believed the official death counts attributed to Covid-19. They believed that the case numbers based on the PCR tests reflected reality. They were and… Read more »

plino
plino
Oct 22, 2022 7:11 PM
Reply to  Tom Larsen

Now with the research by Dr. Denis Rancourt and his team, we know that there was no plague, no new pathogen that descended onto the planet on March 11th 2020.That all-cause mortality did not increase from past years for most countries, and the very few than did – like the US – shared a boarder thousands of miles long (with constant economic interaction) with Canada that saw no increase in all-cause mortality. That 30 of 50 US states saw no increase in all-cause mortality and shared boarders with states that saw dramatic increases in all-cause mortality. Pathogens do not obey jurisdictional boundaries. That the increase in all-cause mortality in the US was distinct to certain states/municipalities who adopted particular lockdown measures and that had large vulnerable populations. The increased mortality seen in the US was caused by the lockdown measures themselves. How much is the increase in all-cause mortality compared… Read more »

Tom Larsen
Tom Larsen
Oct 22, 2022 7:31 PM
Reply to  plino

If I recall, it’s like 1.7 million in the US. Roughly a 60% increase over normal. This high rate has stayed constant after introduction of the jabs – obvious evidence that the jabs have not done anything positive (like stop the Pandemic TM).

I recommend looking directly at his research:

https://denisrancourt.ca/categories.php?id=1&name=covid

plino
plino
Oct 22, 2022 8:56 PM
Reply to  Tom Larsen

I don’t have the slightest doubt that injections hasn’t done anything good to stop the Pan-demic. Just as I have no doubt that they have contributed significantly to its legitimacy, such as the mortality caused by them is attributed to the name kovid. Together with the mortality caused by the lockdown measures, not that all mortality is caused by the measures, as stated by Rancourt. — Now with the research by Dr. Denis Rancourt and his team, we know that there was no plague, no new pathogen that descended onto the planet on March 11th 2020. That all-cause mortality did not increase from past years for most countries—How much is the increase in all-cause mortality compared to the last (or past) years in the United States between December 2020 and November 2021.according to Dr. Dennis?—If I recall, it’s like 1.7 million in the US. Roughly a 60% increase over normal.… Read more »

Penelope
Penelope
Oct 23, 2022 3:22 AM
Reply to  plino

Thanks Plino. Excellent research.

Tom Larsen
Tom Larsen
Oct 23, 2022 8:01 AM
Reply to  plino

There are two Covid periods: pre-jab, from March 2020 to the roll out of the jabs (post-jab). In the pre-jab period there was no excess mortality (save the USA and certain Eastern European countries per Rancourt). Post jab, different ball game.

plino
plino
Oct 23, 2022 12:14 PM
Reply to  Tom Larsen

There are two Covid periods: pre-jab, from March 2020 to the roll out of the jabs (post-jab). In the pre-jab period there was no excess mortality (save the USA and certain Eastern European countries per Rancourt). Post jab, different ball game.

So from your statement, I can conclude that you agree that the Russian jab did what was not achieved with the Russian measures “against covid”?

Tom Larsen
Tom Larsen
Oct 23, 2022 8:49 PM
Reply to  plino

I can’t speak to what may have happened in Russia.

plino
plino
Oct 23, 2022 11:36 PM
Reply to  Tom Larsen

 😂  😂  😂 

Tom Larsen
Tom Larsen
Oct 24, 2022 4:07 AM
Reply to  plino

Would you prefer I make shit up?

plino
plino
Oct 24, 2022 4:59 AM
Reply to  Tom Larsen

If you, Tom, were someone ill-informed and not reasonable enough, I would believe you. But since you are not, and you are the exact opposite of that, it is insulting and humiliating for me to make even a brief summary that makes crystal clear what I am asking and you do not want to answer. If I have to repeat that to a smart guy like you, it’s tantamount to making fun of me.

I am just describing the situation; there is no real insult or other negative emotion behind it.

So I’ll just assume that’s what we have a mutual desire to share with you on this matter; and that’s it.

William
William
Oct 22, 2022 7:17 PM
Reply to  Tom Larsen

100% FAKE. Stop spreading these charlatans. It’s all nonsense; the establishment line of modern corporate monopolised medicine is germ theory and all these so called dissident doctors are part of the corporate line. Read a book called Gut and Physiology Syndrome by Dr. Natasha Campbell-McBride. This is true medicine as the ancients said food is medicine. The human body has the doctor within it; modern corporate medicine is designed to suppress this reality and keep patients reliant upon them.

Tom Larsen
Tom Larsen
Oct 22, 2022 7:26 PM
Reply to  William

Are you saying that Rancourt’s research is fake, that he is a charlatan?

William
William
Oct 22, 2022 9:09 PM
Reply to  Tom Larsen

No; his take on the situation is true; but the entire concept of a virus being spreadable amongst a human population is superstitious nonsense; just like the totalitarian church nonsense we suffered under before the materialistic science dictatorship era took over post-1800. See Dr. Stefan Lanka

Bob the Hod
Bob the Hod
Oct 22, 2022 9:18 PM
Reply to  William

So if you think the middle part of that statement is true, do you not see the contradiction in your thinking to have total faith in another opinion?

Tom Larsen
Tom Larsen
Oct 22, 2022 10:27 PM
Reply to  William

It would have been better had this post been your initial response to mine.

Veri Tas
Veri Tas
Oct 23, 2022 12:55 AM
Reply to  William

The evidence against contagion and harmful “viruses” is out there (Dr Susanne Humphreys – Dissolving Illusions; Drs Sam Bayley et al – Virus Mania, etc.) but even here it’s tabu.

Tom Larsen
Tom Larsen
Oct 23, 2022 1:09 AM
Reply to  Veri Tas

Great books, I’ve read both.

Howard
Howard
Oct 23, 2022 3:38 AM
Reply to  Veri Tas

The “evidence against…” is like a pie chart. The evidence covers the majority of the pie. Leaving a very small piece where the explanation for what makes people sick needs to be.

But that piece remains either entirely blank or kaleidoscopic, with various toxins floating in and out of the pie.

People got sick and died long before industrial “civilization” took over.

We live in an age where many believe everything is a lie. Viruses are a lie (where are they?); atoms are a lie (where are they?); black holes are a lie (where are they?) I can’t see any of these things so they must be lies.

Put up or shut up: show it to me or admit it doesn’t exist. That’s become our new mantra; and for the life of me I can’t see where it’s any better than any other mantra.

Veri Tas
Veri Tas
Oct 23, 2022 12:53 AM
Reply to  William

Yes, and never are truly healthful medicines discussed. Only “alternative” drugs, drugs and more drugs. Benefitting the same corporations and the same toxic medical establishment.

Bill Francis
Bill Francis
Oct 23, 2022 3:31 PM
Reply to  Tom Larsen

Logic went AWOL during the covid crisis. However, it was always my contention that, if an anti-parasitic drug such as Ivermectin was effective in reducing or stopping the so-called ‘covid-19’ disease, then the disease had to be bacterial, not viral. Unfortunately, such information was not beneficial to the producers of vaccines for the ‘virus’ – something they had been working on for years – and it was buried under mountains of official misinformation.

Chris Cosmos
Chris Cosmos
Oct 22, 2022 4:58 PM

In the wake of 911 I started reading people like David Ray Griffin and Pointe out some facts that contradicted the official Narrative. Of course none of them believed me but two people with post graduate degrees (Harvard, U of Chicago) said exactly the same thing: “even if what you say is true I refuse to believe it.” This did not surprise me because of my broad study of psychology, sociology, and anthropology taught me the importance and necessity to embrace what I like to call a mythological framework. To accept a reality outside those frameworks is profoundly disorienting and will cause high achievers in particular to lose their confidence in the competitive world they swim in. For the rest of us holding views outside the Narrative can cause social ostracism that may be the most painful punishment known to humankind.

covidiot
covidiot
Oct 25, 2022 10:09 AM
Reply to  Chris Cosmos

“Even if what you say is true, I refuse to believe it.”

there’s a name for such people: self-serving, conformist assholes.

they’re easy to recognize, once you’ve seen a few. they get all shouty and hysterical, when you point out that their ideology is flatly contradicted by objective reality. well, they should have had a better ideology, shouldn’t they. but then they probably wouldn’t have the same comfy upper-middle-class lifestyle, that their life-long cultivation of social and intellectual conformity has provided them with. they’re assholes, that’s what they are.

unfortunately for them, in the particular case of the COVID-1984 hoax, being a conformist asshole may not turn out to be the big win that it always was before. billy gates’ magical mystery juice isn’t quite as benign as the usual propaganda swill that such people routinely ingest, and then regurgitate.

you places your bets, and you takes your chances.

Martin Usher
Martin Usher
Oct 22, 2022 4:49 PM

If Covid was just another virus like all the other viruses humanity deals with then it wouldn’t have been controversial. But it got politicized because this was the key to Ultimate Power.

Now we have another problem — RSV. This isn’t an out of the blue variant but something that surges every year. This year is proving particularly bad. I haven’t seen any articles yet saying its just a hoax. But that’s because there’s no political dimension to our response, there’s no political capital to make from it. (….and for the kids its just as contagious and potentially serious as Covid was to older adults)

Paul Prichard
Paul Prichard
Oct 22, 2022 4:16 PM

Your alternative update on #COVID19 for 2022-10-19. Meet our would-be economic overlords, droves of party members leaving for Reform party – says it all really (blog, gab, tweet).

Turning Moment
Turning Moment
Oct 22, 2022 3:49 PM

wisdom from Lira. Let’s stop calling them ‘sheep’ :

October
October
Oct 22, 2022 8:24 PM
Reply to  Turning Moment

Maybe he needs to get red-pilled about the substance that is being injected in Russia and India.

It might be marginally less dangerous than the other, but is certainly not safe. So much so that the Indians are taking people to court for ‘vaccine murder’.

Turning Moment
Turning Moment
Oct 23, 2022 8:56 AM
Reply to  October

fair point

Tom Larsen
Tom Larsen
Oct 23, 2022 1:27 AM
Reply to  Turning Moment

Lira make a “valid argument” here in my view. Thanks for posting.

Placental_Mammal
Placental_Mammal
Oct 23, 2022 8:24 AM
Reply to  Turning Moment

The point is what is the long term plan and how are things going to go over the months and years. ahead. The world government got this thing going 8 years ago. It is obviously a long term plan. What astounds me are the enormous sums being transferred to Ukraine. The amounts add up to about three times as much as Canada’s annual defence budget and possibly more than China’s. Can Russia resist a regime with this kind of funding ? What will a Ukrainian victory look like ? They have alluded to smart looking smart cities ,technocracy unleashed and more. The issue is not the fact that Russia is toeing the NWO line on vaccines, digital currencies and so on. Other leaders who were once in favour have been turned on when they were not useful anymore or when they were seen as obstacles to new plans. Some say… Read more »

George Mc
George Mc
Oct 22, 2022 3:32 PM

OT but the transgender “Stepford Wives” project continues with something called Jordan Gray who …. stripped naked and played the piano with his dick!

https://grahamlinehan.substack.com/p/channel-4-you-cant-make-fun-of-women

Who needs women when you can have rubber dolls with attitude!

Howard
Howard
Oct 22, 2022 4:45 PM
Reply to  George Mc

How exactly is playing the piano with one’s dick an instance of transgenderism?

George Mc
George Mc
Oct 22, 2022 7:26 PM
Reply to  Howard

If a man can be a woman then a dick can be a hand.

George Mc
George Mc
Oct 22, 2022 3:05 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LXjx8hgN0Yg https://www.theguardian.com/media/2022/oct/21/newsmax-lara-logan-qanon-conspiracy-theory Lars Logan’s David Shayler moment i.e. to tell the truth but tinge it with fundamentalist ranting to discredit it.   The Graud knows what to do: “….QAnon-tinged on-air tirade ….Rightwing networks … QAnon-style conspiracy theories ….conservative networks …. Fox News…..QAnon-style conspiracy theories …. The rightwing US TV network Newsmax said it had no plans to interview Lara Logan again….” (Too extreme even for the Right!) “….turned rightwing pundit …. QAnon-tinged tirade on air…. “the open border is Satan’s way of taking control of the world” … world leaders drank children’s blood. … pro-Trump conspiracy theory ….” And so on and on and on….. Now note a microcosm encapsulation of the whole technique: “And they may think that they’re going to become gods. That’s what they tell us … You know, the ones who want us eating insects, cockroaches and that while they dine on the blood of children?”… Read more »

Hemlockfen
Hemlockfen
Oct 22, 2022 2:50 PM

How do they sleep at night?

The latest recommendation by the CDC on the incorporation of the Covid clot shot for children in school is unbelievably telling. They won’t quit lying.

A revolution is brewing. Clear evidence of crimes against humanity. Crystal clear, but yet….., they keep lying.

How do they sleep at night? Those responsible. Knowing what they have done. Knowing that the tide could change at any moment and the potential for a loud knock on the door from law enforcement increases every day as political poles indicate the likelyhood of Congress shifting to the right.

How does Fauci sleep at night after having spent a lifetime of experimenting on people with poisonous drugs?

How do CDC administrators sleep at night?

Any of them? All of them?

How do they sleep?

Paul Watson
Paul Watson
Oct 22, 2022 2:56 PM
Reply to  Hemlockfen

Spiritually bankrupt people…

Derek
Derek
Oct 22, 2022 3:33 PM
Reply to  Hemlockfen

A revolution is brewing.

Oh no its not.

Howard
Howard
Oct 22, 2022 4:47 PM
Reply to  Hemlockfen

The only thing that would keep them awake at night would be if they could have done some dastardly deed – and forgot to.

lotuseater
lotuseater
Oct 23, 2022 7:54 AM
Reply to  Hemlockfen

Benzodiazepines?

Gordon mcrae
Gordon mcrae
Oct 25, 2022 2:18 AM
Reply to  Hemlockfen

I sometimes think that perhaps they think their job is to out crazy the other sides crazies in order to keep U.S.A. In control of any out of control eventuality. It all seems completely insane to me but I am just a regular guy not a powerful military industrial complex big pharma connected power broker.

wardropper
wardropper
Oct 22, 2022 2:46 PM

I keep thinking about “The Stepford Wives” (both Hollywood versions make their point very well), and how a few unscrupulous people can turn a whole society on its head.
“The Handmaid’s Tale” is a similar warning.

Are there really people alive today who can say to themselves, “Oh, they would never go that far”?
Well, yes, there are – millions of them, and “that far” is now on our doorstep, trying to sell us the deadliest moral snake oil of all time.

Perhaps it will turn out that there is nothing we can do.
But at the very least we can be aware of what is happening. That way lies sanity, despite the odds.

plino
plino
Oct 22, 2022 3:55 PM
Reply to  wardropper

Perhaps it will turn out that there is nothing we can do.But at the very least we can be aware of what is happening. That way lies sanity, despite the odds. Even – I personally, without adding to what you have said – I would say that when reason is massively put at the service of the benefit; when mass intelligence begins to be judged by how much benefit it brings; when truth matters as much as it does materially measurable benefit (including conditional – the benefit of good thoughts/feelings); then we are in deep trouble, man. When the truth doesn’t matter if it doesn’t do you good, and even more so if it does you harm, then, as they say, “ass kill the head.” Of course, this is a purely gloomy hypothesis in a time of increased consciousness. But if we hypothetically come to this kind of mass thinking,… Read more »

Junious Ricardo Stanton
Junious Ricardo Stanton
Oct 22, 2022 2:46 PM

The masses have been totally panicked via an all out media and government psy-op into living in a numbed semi-comatose state where no matter how obvious the truth is, they still deny it and cling tenaciously to the COVID narrative. I have friends who after getting sick, having an afib and related heart issues (that they didn’t have prior to getting the injection) or severe reactions the the injection still brag about getting their booster shots! This is madness to the max. There is a saying going around, “it is easier to fool people than to convince them they have been fooled.” I think we are seeing the validity of this.

covidiot
covidiot
Oct 25, 2022 10:33 AM

conversely, maybe it’s easier to be a fool, than to understand that you are a fool.

S Cooper
S Cooper
Oct 22, 2022 2:40 PM

“Look at it this way, the Scamdemic is a new type of intelligence test, just one question.
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The old IQ Tests are so retro.”
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“Too-Stupid-to-Live has been become a self fulfilling prophecy. Cull Juice anyone?”

Todd Hayen
Todd Hayen
Oct 22, 2022 8:48 PM
Reply to  S Cooper

Is that yearbook for real? If so this is worse than I thought, and I have always thought it is a lot worse than most people.

Ort
Ort
Oct 22, 2022 9:41 PM
Reply to  Todd Hayen

I don’t know if it’s real, but I expect that it is.

These advertisements in a local “community activities” flyer date to 2020 and 2021, but they came to mind as soon as I saw the yearbook image.

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Lost in a dark wood
Lost in a dark wood
Oct 22, 2022 2:32 PM

It’s going to be Biblical!

wardropper
wardropper
Oct 22, 2022 11:24 PM

I can just see the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse visiting our play-schools any day now…

Lost in a dark wood
Lost in a dark wood
Oct 22, 2022 11:43 PM
Reply to  wardropper

I was thinking more in terms of the Book of Daniel (feet of clay, etc), but the Four Horseman are on speed-dial just in case!

Baldmichael Theresolute
Baldmichael Theresolute
Oct 22, 2022 2:31 PM

Ground hog day very apt. I refer to April Fool’s day starting in 2020. This day has yet to end.

However the tide is turning even if it is not obvious.

As regards cult this is spot on. The cult members, the pro-vaxxers, have been indoctrinated. When they have been abused enough by being ‘poked’ by the vaccines they will wake up.

Unless they are dead of course.

I did this post on the cult behaviour in an imaginary church service which might amuse. The link here if I may.

https://alphaandomegacloud.wordpress.com/2022/04/24/a-typical-church-service-according-to-the-covid-cult/

brewer55
brewer55
Oct 22, 2022 2:27 PM

In my own circles there are people, family and friends, that would fit the sheep that he mentions in the article. I believe every one of them is godless. They have made the state institutions, the government & the government controlled institutions their god. I believe the REAL GOD, God Almighty, is keeping the veil over their eyes. I cannot explain why but, there are multiple times in the bible where we are told explicitly that this is what He did. Pharaoh is one of them where he ‘hardened his heart’. The book of Romans tells us that those who have rejected Him He has given over to reprobate minds. Reprobate minds would also explain parents that allow their children to see perverts and sickos dancing in front of their kids pushing their pelvises into their faces. This is beyond and rational thought and cannot be excused in any way… Read more »

John Milton
John Milton
Oct 22, 2022 3:53 PM
Reply to  brewer55

My aunt is a devout christian, yet believes the covid narrative.

I guess your god messed up in her case!

ZenPriest
ZenPriest
Oct 22, 2022 4:22 PM
Reply to  John Milton

The true servant of God rejects all religion.

William
William
Oct 22, 2022 4:32 PM
Reply to  John Milton

Your statement is a confusion; you cannot know another persons true devotion but through their actions. The covid narrative was a test of faith; not in man; but in God. I cannot speak for her but from her beliefs as you say, she displayed her faith in and devotion to; man.

brewer55
brewer55
Oct 22, 2022 6:01 PM
Reply to  John Milton

It never ceases to amaze me that non-believers always have the need to throw rocks at those that do believe or, try to justify their non-belief in the same way.
I don’t know your aunt or her beliefs — true beliefs and her 1 x 1 relation with God, through Jesus, the Christ. That is only for the Lord to know. There are many people, good people, that profess to be Christians but, if pressed, some were just brought up in a Christian household but, have never entered into a true belief in the Gospel. Anyway, I hope that some day, you see the true light and don’t feel the need to knock those of us the do believe. I’m still a sinner and I still do a lot of stupid stuff — I just try to get better and, I know I’m forgiven!

Lizzyh7
Lizzyh7
Oct 22, 2022 7:01 PM
Reply to  brewer55

If you do not want those of us who do not believe, and some of us did indeed try very hard to believe but never achieved that, to knock you for your belief, then don’t knock those of us who do not have that belief and act like we’re all merely godless heathens who go along willingly with psychopathic agendas. If your God is truly all forgiving and merciful, then I personally do not think that God condemns those of us who do not have faith. “Judge not, lest ye be judged?” You can’t have it both ways here. Either you are walking the walk of Christ, who stated the above, or you aren’t.

Brewer55
Brewer55
Oct 22, 2022 7:37 PM
Reply to  Lizzyh7

You cherry picked a verse and made it fit your narrative. You need to read all the verses before, and after, to grasp the concept of what He was teaching.

I’m not sure what happened in your life that took you off the path of looking for spiritual answers but, I would challenge you to give it a try again. Open the book of John, one of the gospels, and read it. But, before you do, with an honest and contrite heart, ask God to reveal Himself to you. Tell him you want to believe in Him but, you don’t right now. If you do this with openness with him and mouth words, I believe in my heart you will receive an answer.

I don’t know who you are but, the Lord does. I will pray for you.

blessings.

Lizzyh7
Lizzyh7
Oct 22, 2022 8:23 PM
Reply to  Brewer55

Ah yes, cherry picking. Well, this godless heathen happens to think that phrase is particularly key for those who really believe. Why do you think it is your prerogative to judge me and tell me what to do? Isn’t that right reserved for God himself? As for “what happened in my life” you don’t know one damned thing about me or my life, period, and what right do you really have to presume that you do?

Loverat 8
Loverat 8
Oct 22, 2022 7:11 PM
Reply to  John Milton

She might be among the many who are devout church goers. Theres a difference. I’ve watched a few good interviews by religious pastors lately who say the majority of so called religious have long lost their connection to God.

One of them described the real believers (who never believed the Covid narrative) as the ‘remnant’ – folk who through God reflect his will on a daily basis, fearless, intelligent and passionate. But a powerful group.

One interview was by Mike Adams in the last few days of a pastor. Worth looking at his site (naturalnews) ‘ Calls himself ‘Health Ranger.’ Funny too.

Joshua
Joshua
Oct 22, 2022 6:39 PM
Reply to  brewer55

I recently cut ties with my Auntie and Uncle for being COVID sheep. The last straw was being demanded to do an antigen test before meeting. At that point I completely lost control and lashed out of them very harshly. No amount of evidence will convince them that they’re in cult. Screw them!

Hemlockfen
Hemlockfen
Oct 22, 2022 2:26 PM

Bye Bye Birdie? You are old.

Paul Watson
Paul Watson
Oct 22, 2022 2:11 PM

They refuse to countenance their own stupidity no matter what the evidence.
Who cares to admit you have been totally duped and injected yourself with a bio weapon.
Easier for many to stay in denial than accept the truth, that the conspiracy theorists they so despised, where in fact speaking premature facts…

WorkingClassHero
WorkingClassHero
Oct 22, 2022 1:59 PM

Let the Phoenicians sale on through.

Howard
Howard
Oct 22, 2022 1:49 PM

The source of the problem has been right there, all along, staring everyone in the face.

Everything – everything! – that’s wrong with the world can be compressed into one tiny term: authoritarian personality. Not the “ruling class,” not the managerial class, not the media, not the military –

The people! Most people have this built in authoritarian view of life. And as long as they do – as long as they continue carrying around this elephant size tumor on their backs – they will ALWAYS be suckers for anyone and everyone given a voice of authority.

Without exception, those (in my experience) who are the most committed to the “Official Narrative” are also the most insistent upon living in a rules-based environment.

OBEY THE RULES!!!!! That is their mantra. It is also their death knell.

Jerry
Jerry
Oct 22, 2022 2:02 PM
Reply to  Howard

Perhaps following the rules is what has made such a large and complex world we live in possible. The down side to a very big upside.

Ort
Ort
Oct 22, 2022 9:17 PM
Reply to  Jerry

Alternatively: Perhaps following the rules is what has made such a large and complex world we live in impossible. The down side to a very big upside.

MattC
MattC
Oct 23, 2022 7:47 AM
Reply to  Ort

And remember whose “rules” they are….the very same people who get massively wealthy at our expense.

WorkingClassHero
WorkingClassHero
Oct 22, 2022 2:32 PM
Reply to  Howard

One makes their own reality. Im not trying to be philosophical, however if you still come here for truth or therapy you are far gone.

If the past 3 years has not fully brought you up to speed, then here is a bottle of… Go back to sleep. It will all be fine Monday morning.

Why am I still here? To save the few border line cases…

Howard
Howard
Oct 22, 2022 4:54 PM

Here come the pedantry!

I apologize. But, when writing in a public forum, one should avoid using the personal pronoun “you.” It makes for confusion.

Baldmichael Theresolute
Baldmichael Theresolute
Oct 22, 2022 2:38 PM
Reply to  Howard

Very true. They are gluttons for punishment, masochists. ‘Please beat me, please, please’ they cry.

It is their security. And if they are not told what to do they are completely lost. I wrote about this in my post of “G is for…..Guidance” as regards the UK. I ridicule the stupidity of following rules to the letter.

red lester
red lester
Oct 22, 2022 4:58 PM

Most people want to be part of a tribe. It is a hard wired evolutionary advantage. A few people choose independence. This is also an evolutionary advantage for the gene pool, covering different types of disaster.

mgeo
mgeo
Oct 23, 2022 8:32 AM
Reply to  Howard

Without sheep, authoritarians would not rise to the level from where they can order others around.

Peter Jennings
Peter Jennings
Oct 22, 2022 12:54 PM

The exact same is true of those who believe in the global warming scam. All the evidence is there and clear for all to see. None of the IPCC predictions over the past 30 years has even been close to reality.
One can lead a horse to water….

I’m guessing the majority, if not all, those who ignore the data are soap watchers and mainstream TV fanatics.

Howard
Howard
Oct 22, 2022 1:40 PM
Reply to  Peter Jennings

Wrong, on several counts.

Peter Jennings
Peter Jennings
Oct 22, 2022 4:47 PM
Reply to  Howard

I’ll take your word for it, lol. The Global warming cult is losing its power. They have had their St Trinian’s type fun with their hockey sticks. Now the game is over.

Howard
Howard
Oct 24, 2022 1:26 PM
Reply to  Peter Jennings

The game is not over until “Mother Nature” says it is. Hockey sticks belong on a playing field – batting statisticians about.

As Mark Twain said: “There are lies, and damned lies, and statistics.”

Binra
Binra
Oct 22, 2022 12:40 PM

The fundamental premise or function of the ego’s use of mind is to ‘make you safe’. But it runs on a phishing of self-image for self that is then accorded the status and protection of self – or indeed reality. The true nature of mind is creation; to go forth and multiply each according to its kind. A fragmented or conflicted premise (self-imaged) must result in a like reflection. A conflicted mind is intolerable, but is made tolerable by masking the split under narratives that protect the split – or the conflict from disclosure as revisited trauma (from beneath the level of verbal mental development, masking or control). We are all the same in sharing a conflicted entanglement, but carry different fragments of each other’s denials and projections. You cannot ‘see’ your own active ignorances that run as if you know, but you can see a conflicted world from another… Read more »

NixonScraypes
NixonScraypes
Oct 23, 2022 11:27 AM
Reply to  Binra

Hmm, that toxic debt manifests in the economy. Self healing’s the answer

William Sabre
William Sabre
Oct 22, 2022 12:37 PM

There are no sheep; just the idea of what a sheep should look like, act like and a way they should perceive the world around them. That idea; is influence not power. Me-dia

WTF
WTF
Oct 22, 2022 12:29 PM

It has me despair, and sometimes laugh out loud, how we all pontificate, finger point, call people shills and shysters on here. I was forced from secondary education in the UK because I pointed out the discrepancies in a narrative that were obvious.Im not bitter about this as it opened my mind up further and encouraged continued personal growth and questioning. I agree with Todd to an extent, and with Bob the Hod, in so much as we look to similar minded people to garner solace and strength. Yeah, we dont always agree entirely and understandably should be mindful of manipulation but ultimately were on our own in this. We suspected what was going on, had it confirmed and live accordingly. Referencing this person, justifying our belief system with a particular dialectic can be affirming but it wont wake people up. If they wake up, they wake up. No amount… Read more »

hotrod31
hotrod31
Oct 22, 2022 12:25 PM

Sheep, I don’t know what’s wrong with sheep these days.” Quite! One is left scratching one’s head with befuddlement. Although, if you cast your mind back … I believe that is 20 years and counting that not a single person has been actually found guilty in a court of law for the 9-11 act of terror on the American people. NOT A SINGLE PERSON … in 20 plus years. So, I wouldn’t be holding out too much hope for the investigative qualities of governmental agencies, in resolving the Covid19 conundrum. Governments all over the world have proven themselves to be totally corrupt, therefore, it is now up to the ordinary folk to take back the control of their communities, and their countries. If nobody obeys … nobody rules.
If it’s to be …
It’s up to you-n-me …

Mucho
Mucho
Oct 22, 2022 12:29 PM
Reply to  Mucho

Lovely stuff. Don’t forget, aUSSRalia has a Union Jack on their flag and a picture of the Queen on their money

[Australia] VAXXED-BY-FORCE-UNDER-PREMIER-LAW | Western Australia (bitchute.com)

Baldmichael Theresolute
Baldmichael Theresolute
Oct 22, 2022 2:44 PM
Reply to  Mucho

Very interesting. “The stars falling from heaven”. Makes sense.

Willem
Willem
Oct 22, 2022 11:27 AM

‘Are all of these people to be ignored? Are they all fools?’ The problem is not so much that people can’t listen to other people as far as I am concerned, but that people cannot think for themselves. If you get into that mindset (that people can’t think for themselves) you will feel less frustrated about the fact that they can’t listen to others, including you or Dr Malone or whatever… My experience with friends who I tried to convince that covid is epidemiologically speaking a non-event was simply dismissed through ignoring my thoughts or by trying to make that what I said look like a joke. That is their choice, not mine. Now they share (I kid you not), photos of negative self tests before they meet in person. This is beyond funny… Needless to say, I haven’t seen my friends in person for over 2 years because of… Read more »

Baldmichael Theresolute
Baldmichael Theresolute
Oct 22, 2022 2:52 PM
Reply to  Willem

Indeed. My family and possibly most of my long distance friends from university seem sold on the vaccines etc. I have not heard from most of my university friends on their stance however. I have bee struggling with my health so have not in general tried to pursue them on the matter. I have however warned them about the vaccines.

I could not fathom at first why the world went bonkers over the ‘flu now renamed Covid 19.to make money for big pharma etc. I understand more now so I press on as I and many others like you have much to do to expose the various lies in the world and what is really going on.

Marilyn Shepherd
Marilyn Shepherd
Oct 22, 2022 10:39 AM

Again into the fray, THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS COVID, THERE HAS NEVER BEEN ANY SUCH THING so all the blathering about treatments is as ridiculous as all the sheep talk.

Binra
Binra
Oct 22, 2022 12:44 PM

There are narratives by which masking identities acquire relative ‘immunity’ by redistribution of denied responsibility running as accusation or insinuation of ‘blame’ and penalty or sacrifice.
So yes covid is a naming magic by which to restructure thought as evasion of (feared) disclosure.

Baldmichael Theresolute
Baldmichael Theresolute
Oct 22, 2022 2:59 PM
Reply to  Binra

I think naming magic a very good description, so thank you. Pharmaceutical derives from the Greek word meaning at least in part magic, so all makes sense.

Baldmichael Theresolute
Baldmichael Theresolute
Oct 22, 2022 2:57 PM

Strictly Covid 19 is the ‘flu renamed to deceive the masses, although it does in fact have various layered meanings as well.

Sadly we did not understand what the ‘flu actually is, that is the internal poisoning of the body, added to by the various poisons in the environment.

I have done this if you are at all interested.

https://alphaandomegacloud.wordpress.com/2022/08/17/what-is-the-flu-a-k-a-covid-19-and-why-vaccines-are-pointless-at-best/

Clutching at straws
Clutching at straws
Oct 22, 2022 10:22 AM

Thanks Todd. Oh, how I miss a valid argument ! It is very unfashionable to mention Robert Malone Peter McCollough, etc. etc in a positive light on this site. Ditto UK column or .GB news. The “alternative narrative” here is that they are all shills and controlled opposition. I would argue that every person is multi faceted and not one person is 100% correct about 100% of everything 100% of the time. If they are going to go off narrative, it is going to be difficult for them and they won’t be able to do it in the direct way that we would like them to. Surely, we are intelligent enough to take from them the nuggets of information that they can give us and run with them until they fall over or stand on their own two feet ? Fuellmich is a good example. I called him out, as… Read more »

Jenner
Jenner
Oct 22, 2022 10:36 AM

So enlighten us. Wise One, what Fuellmich has ever done to justify you “calling him out as many did”, and: which “many”? And Wodarg’s fanatic “what causes rabies if not viruses?” treatment of Stefan Lanka and Andy Kaufman shows what company Viviane Fischer keeps. Secondly, Malone and other medicos are the gatekeepers of the Sars-Cov-2-mRNA-spike protein narrative. But the point, as La Quinta Columna and Karen Kingston are saying is that the jab is a biosynethetic weapon and that the Wuhan gain of function research was blending biol. material WITH non-biol. material, to with: liquid hydrogel/quantum dots and hence graphene. It may merely be that McCulloch, Malone,. Ryan Cole etc. are just not going to stoop from their lofty medical heights to debate non-doctors such as Kingston or the La Quinta Columna people, even though there are now medicos such as Peter Nixon in Aust,who are finding foreing objects in… Read more »

Clutching at straws
Clutching at straws
Oct 22, 2022 11:09 AM
Reply to  Jenner

When Fuellmich actually does something apart from stall “proceedings” and run away with the money, I will happily eat my hat.

Support for him was widespread until his mammoth “fact gathering” took longer and longer resulting in farcical ” Grand Juries”.

But it appears that he really was controlled opposition, effectively saying “Don’t worry, guys. I’ve got this one, I’ll look after you so there’s nothing more for you to do”

I have a hat, some ketchup and a knife and fork in front of me.

Waiting………………………..

Gordon mcrae
Gordon mcrae
Oct 25, 2022 4:01 AM

As far as Fuellmich and a citizens grand jury…. To me that seems like a logical step towards addressing an out of control establishment and a broken social contract. If the official courts won’t do their job what other options do we have but to take over that role for ourselves.

Baldmichael Theresolute
Baldmichael Theresolute
Oct 22, 2022 3:04 PM
Reply to  Jenner

The issue with the Wuhan lab is that is was all a Red Herring, a false trail, a serpentine labyrinth of lies and half truths to keep us guessing and searching.

In fact I think a game of snakes and ladders fits the bill nicely.

The real truth of Wuhan I have explained here if you are interested.

https://alphaandomegacloud.wordpress.com/wuhan-flu/

Gordon mcrae
Gordon mcrae
Oct 25, 2022 3:54 AM
Reply to  Jenner

In my opinion Malone is a great teacher. I have learned much from his revelations.

Seansaighdeor
Seansaighdeor
Oct 22, 2022 10:18 AM

I find it frustrating that this argument like those on a lot of other sites itself appears to ignore reality. 2.5 years ago we awoke under tyranny. Much as changed since then but the reality remains the same. The same people are still largely in charge and no one has gone to prison. For the average ‘Joe’ the narrative remains there was a terrible pandemic, around 150 thousand died and the govt were forced to take drastic action but in the end the vaccines saved us. For those on the outside we know that this is a lie. But the in terms of the govt and media machine nothing has changed so expecting some kind of epiphany of reason beit regarding vaccines, NPI’s, or any of the other pillars of the narrative is not going to happen. That allows those who wish to move on. 63 years after the Kennedy… Read more »

Mirror Spiritus
Mirror Spiritus
Oct 22, 2022 10:01 AM

The confused and weary masses taking sides of the elephant trying to understand something that can’t be understood by its parts. One has to rise above to see it all. One can’t do that and remain as they have always been and still are.

Geoff P
Geoff P
Oct 22, 2022 9:55 AM

Krishnamurti

https://youtu.be/UaFXs1RKAj8

4.09 minutes

Think clearly for yourselves and to think clearly you must have no motive or goal or direction.

But don’t take my word for it..

Bob the Hod
Bob the Hod
Oct 22, 2022 10:15 AM
Reply to  Geoff P

Clearly controlled opposition. His name reduces to 62 in gematria which is a veiled 66 (2×6) which is a Sumerian master number according to an internet site that I put total faith in.

Only kidding, reading Krishnamurti did an awful lot for my mental development and for rejecting all kinds of faith or doctrine.

wardropper
wardropper
Oct 22, 2022 11:15 PM
Reply to  Bob the Hod

A very interesting thinker, but annoyingly slow as a speaker.
I often feel he is side-stepping issues rather than giving advice, but he lived true to his word, absolutely refusing to be anybody’s guru.
Taken to earthbound logical lengths, one might ask why he ever bothered to speak to anybody, since he ultimately throws the whole responsibility onto ourselves.
But I believe he was sincere, and actually encouraged people to think about what they were doing in life.
Geoff’s clip is a good example of that.

mgeo
mgeo
Oct 23, 2022 8:45 AM
Reply to  Geoff P

Without motive, there may be awareness or even intelligence (as in AI), but no consciousness.

Bob the Hod
Bob the Hod
Oct 22, 2022 9:44 AM

I’ve honestly come to think like this: Fuck them, leave them to their jabs and masks. If they haven’t woken up by now they are a lost cause that I won’t be wasting my energy on in that way. And I include beloved friends and family in this. A couple of things give me some hope. Firstly, jab uptake, here in the UK at least, gets lower as age gets lower. So clearly older people are more likely to believe the bullshit. So they are selecting themselves for an early demise. Less of “them” means more of “us” (my God, how I hate using such divisive terminology). Secondly, the more “woke” a person is, the more likely they seem to be to believe in the bullshit and get the jabs. Again, selecting themselves for an early demise or at least severely weakening themselves. And in my experience the more “woke”… Read more »

Jimbobla
Jimbobla
Oct 22, 2022 10:15 AM
Reply to  Bob the Hod

Where will the 50% statistic originate from? If from gov it will be a lie, just like all their other lies. Could be single digit %.

Bob the Hod
Bob the Hod
Oct 22, 2022 10:18 AM
Reply to  Jimbobla

Oh they will definitely lie about it, while the truth is hidden in their own statistics. I think I’m right in saying that take up of the last jab, from their own statistics, was about 52%. It’ll be very low this time around. Only for the most commited and faithful and scared covidians.

Duckman
Duckman
Oct 22, 2022 11:13 AM
Reply to  Bob the Hod

im agreed with much of what youve said there, those commited from the outset that never would allow their bodies to be sullied by the toxic experiment, remain… commited (cue the mental health jibes…) those who fell sufficiently under the jab spell, but have “woken up” since are ambivolent re their commitment to the “cause”, as if it were happening to someone else.. Whilst the “jabbed but awake” are happy to chat a little re the bigger picture and where this goes from here, they are limited in their view re their own participation/remedy some may remember a talk given by bozo pre PM days re “new bio-technology diagnosing ailments pre-manifestation”, this gives us some clue as to a) how much fore warning he was given (2018 i believe) and b) how he was sold it.. how much he knew about the social conditioning element of graphene oxide etc when… Read more »

Baldmichael Theresolute
Baldmichael Theresolute
Oct 22, 2022 3:23 PM
Reply to  Bob the Hod

My wife and I (in UK) have a friend, probably late 30’s who had the booster after 2 previous jabs. It paralyzed his jabbed arm for 3-4 months this year just after he had the jab. He will not be getting any more. I did not have a contact for him at the time as he had move away to Somerset, but I did warn his parents about the jabs etc. As regards masks, as I keep telling people the whole thing was Guidance with a capital G despite the stupid daily briefings. People did not double check gov.uk as I eventually did in summer 2020. Not that I needed to as such as I was not stupid enough to wear a mask for what is the ‘flu. Unlike the employees of the NHS where I was having immuno-therapy for a misdiagnosis of cancer. I could say a lot more… Read more »

Gordon mcrae
Gordon mcrae
Oct 25, 2022 4:19 AM

Here in B.C. Canada if we entered a business without a mask on we would be told to leave. That seems more like an order than guidance. Also, while visiting the U.S.A. West coast States I discovered signs on the doors of businesses instructing me to wear a mask…. I believe that was mandated and not suggested…. Same as here in Canada. Also, watching videos of people being wrestled to the ground in the local Canadian tire store for not wearing a mask appeared to be brutal tyranny not guidance. Most of these businesses were enforcing the RULES in order not to lose their business licences as they were ordered to do by threat and mandate not guidance.

el Gallinazo
el Gallinazo
Oct 22, 2022 6:35 PM
Reply to  Bob the Hod

According to USSA .gov statistics, 6.2% of people eligible for the “bivalent booster” have taken it. Crickets.

Also we have the following interesting article from Zero Hedge and Epoch Times. I wonder what the real Pfizer game plan is with this announcement? Opinions?

Pfizer Plans To Hike Price Of US COVID-19 Vaccine By 400%
So far 80 MD’s dead in Canada from “SADS.” IMO these MD’s either were too ignorant to protect themselves or too worried about getting their Mercedes repossessed. These deaths are probably a boon to humanity in general.

Edwige
Edwige
Oct 22, 2022 9:41 AM

Calling Robert Malone credible? Quoting Jordan Peterson?

Not the ways to persuade anyone on the Compatible Left (which is where I presume these people are). Something like https://leftlockdownsceptics.com/ or https://wrenchinthegears.com/ stand more chance of getting some sort of hearing. They came into this from the left. I know I was initially more willing to listen to Ed Opperman and Richie Allen because they were from the left – although I now have massive doubts about both of them and no longer follow either.

Jumping from the ‘official’ media into the ‘official’ alt-media really isn’t much of an inmprovement. It’s just swapping sides in the same dialectic. The alt-media to look for is the one the mainstream totallybignore.

El Zafio
El Zafio
Oct 22, 2022 9:49 AM
Reply to  Edwige

Can’t blame his friends for their reaction to his information.

Bob the Hod
Bob the Hod
Oct 22, 2022 9:54 AM
Reply to  Edwige

I have my doubts about both of those who you mention, but undoubtedly, Jordan Peterson does speak a lot of truth, and Robert Malone’s interview on Joe Rogan (another doubtful one) did wake a lot of people, particularly younger males, up. We all have to start somewhere and often these maintream alternative sources are an introduction to the real alternative. They certainly have been for me at times. Quite simply, take nothing on faith. You’re likely to end up deluded or disappointed if you do. I include the likes of Miles Mathis and gematria in this by the way. 😉

SeamusPadraig
SeamusPadraig
Oct 22, 2022 1:41 PM
Reply to  Bob the Hod

I agree. One man’s gate-keeper is another man’s gateway drug.

George Mc
George Mc
Oct 22, 2022 2:50 PM
Reply to  Edwige

This is the way the covid game has been played from the start i.e. rejection of the con was always assigned to “The Right” because covid is billed as the “great catalyst that will bring about the revolution”. Thus funds are directed from “Right Wing” sources to any covid critical movement so that the plastic Left can “dig up the dirt” and reveal that the covid rejecters are all Fascist White Supremacist etc.

Lizzyh7
Lizzyh7
Oct 22, 2022 7:32 PM
Reply to  George Mc

Don’t forget Misogynistic and Homophobic as well. Gotta use as many divisive words as possible George.