“We are the hollow men
We are the stuffed men
Headpiece filled with straw. Alas!”
T.S. Eliot, “The Hollow Men”
When many people share thoughts, speech, or conduct that is frequently repeated and becomes automatic, it is fair to call it a social habit. Such habits tend to become invisible and unspeakable. They become part of our taken-for-granted-world.
When I recently wrote an essay about hoarding – “The Last Temptation of Things,” many people got angry with me. A friend wrote to me to say: “I congratulate and curse you for writing this.”
He meant it as a complement. I took it as meaning I had touched a raw nerve and it touched off a series of further thoughts about social habits and people’s angry reactions when they are challenged.
Some people who criticized me absurdly complained that I was supporting Klaus Schwab and the World Economic Forum’s “You Will Own Nothing” campaign, something I have opposed from the start. Others said that I was attacking people who kept mementos and photographs, etc. and that I was advocating living in a shack. This was clearly false.
Some got it, of course, and knew that I was using an extreme example to make a point about excessive saving of all sorts of things and how debilitating it is to surround ourselves with far more than we could ever use, need, or even know we have. My case study was a friend’s house that my wife and I had just cleaned out in an exhaustive case of what felt like an exorcism.
Now I see that there is a clear connection between hoarding – or whatever word you choose to give it when the saving of things is excessive – and propaganda. Both are forms of habitual clutter, one mental and the other physical, the former imposed from without and accepted passively and the latter self-created to try to protect from loss.
In both cases, the suggestion that your social habits need to be examined is often greeted as a threat to one’s “existence” and elicits anger or dismissal.
Sociologists, of which I am one, have various terms for what I am calling social habits. They don’t speak the language of ordinary people, and so their lingo rarely enters into common discourse to be heard by most people. Such verbiage often just mystifies.
But habit is a plain and clear word, and social habit simply extends the meaning I am referring to. José Ortega Y Gasset, the Spanish philosopher, and Max Weber referred to it as “usage” before settling on habit. While usage is accurate, it lacks the stickiness of habit, which is the simplest word and one everyone understands as behavior that has become automatic through frequent repetition.
For example, in the inconsequential realm of clothing fashions, men are now wearing tight leg-fitting pants, and it seems normal to most, just as loose pants did in the past. It will change, of course, and a new or ”old” social fashion habit will replace it and most will go with it.
Either way you choose you lose – or win – depending on whether or not you follow the fashions of dress, which mean little or much depending on whether you interpret them symbolically as signifying more than their appearances present.
It is true that all ideas, language usage, and behavior become second nature until they are not. For example, “my bad” may no longer be good, as far as I know, a phrase I have avoided along with “a ton of fun,” “you guys,” and “overseas contingency operations.”
Some social habits persist for a very long time because they are continually reinforced with propaganda that created them in the first place. As Jacques Ellul has emphasized, such propaganda is not the touch of a magic wand. “It is based on slow, constant impregnation. It creates convictions and compliance that are effective only by continuous repetition.” Like a slowly dripping faucet, it drips and drips and drips to reinforce its point.
Take the hatred of Russia promulgated by the US government. It is more than a century old. Few Americans know that the U.S. invaded Russia in 1918 to try to stop the Russian Revolution. Today’s US war against Russia is nothing new, yet many people buy the daily lies about the war in Ukraine because it is a habit of mind, part of their taken-for-granted-world.
Take the CIA assassinations of President Kennedy and his brother, Robert. For decades the U.S. media has worked hand-in-glove with the CIA to reinforce the official lies by calling those who have exposed those lies “conspiracy theorists,” a term that the CIA itself promoted and the media continues to use daily to ridicule dissent.
The phrase “conspiracy theorist” is a handy social usage regularly used now to dismiss critics of any official claim, not just the Kennedys’ murders. Additionally, it is used to lump together the most absurd claims available – e.g. a Martian woman gives birth to a cat in Las Vegas – with the exposure of real government conspiracies in order to dismiss both as ridiculous.
Take the US government assassination of Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. that has been covered up by giving MLK, Jr. his own holiday and reducing his message to pablum. Now you can have a day of service to forget King’s passionate denunciation of the US government as the most violent nation on the earth and the government’s murder of him for his powerful anti-war stance and his campaign for economic justice for all.
Take the attacks of September 11, 2001 and the subsequent anthrax attacks. They too were wrapped in propaganda from day one that has been reinforced since, resulting in the social habit shared by the majority that Osama bin Laden and nineteen Arab hijackers planned and carried out the attacks.
This propaganda supported the US invasion of Iraq and the so-called war on terror that has never ended, the destruction of Libya, Afghanistan, the ongoing war against Syria, the aggression toward China, and the US war against Russia, to name the most obvious. And it ushered in twenty-one years and counting of the squelching of civil liberties, government censorship, and surveillance.
All this with no mass resistance from a population lost in the taken-for-granted world of mind control. Their minds cluttered with lies.
Take the Covid pandemic propaganda that introduced the New Normal in March 2020 and continues today. Destroying small businesses, crippling the economies, fattening up the elites and the wealthiest classes and corporations, injecting millions with untested mRNA so-called vaccines, this diabolical Big Lie has accustomed people to accepting further restrictions on their natural rights under the guise of protecting their health while severely damaging their health. Despite the fact that all the official claims have been proven false, the fear of death and disease, promoted for many years, has dramatically entered into the social bloodstream and additional censorship of dissenting voices has been embraced.
In all these examples and so many more, people’s minds have been slowly and insidiously filled with ideas and distorted facts that are false and controlling, similar to a hoarder’s accretion of objects that can overwhelm them. The propagandists have stuffed them with “things” that can assuage their fear of emptiness and the consequent possibility of being able to think clearly for themselves.
Excessive information is the last thing people need, for as C. Wright Mills said sixty years ago,
…in this age of Fact, information often dominates their attention and overwhelms their capacities to assimilate it.”
Ellul describes the modern person thus:
Above all he is a victim of emptiness – he is a man devoid of meaning. He is very busy, but he is emotionally empty, open to all entreaties and in search of only one thing – something to fill his inner void …. He is available and ready to listen to propaganda. He is the lonely man …. For it, propaganda, encompassing Human Relations, is an incomparable remedy. It corresponds to the need to share, to be a member of a community, to lose oneself in a group, to embrace a collective ideology that will end loneliness. Propaganda is the true remedy for loneliness.
And whenever one questions any of the social habits that sustain people’s illusions, their reactions can be sharp and shrill. To suggest that people collect too many things out of a fear of emptiness, as I did with the hoarding piece, becomes a direct attack on some deep sense they have of themselves. As if the “stuff” were an extension of their identities without which they would drown.
Even more threatening to so many is to question their opinions about Covid 19, JFK, RFK, the U.S war against Russia, 9/11, etc., and to suggest they have swallowed massive doses of deep-state propaganda. This often infuriates them.
It is “unspeakable,” as the Trappist monk Thomas Merton said, as quoted by James W. Douglass in his extraordinary book, JFK and The Unspeakable:
One of the awful facts of our age is the evidence that the [world] is stricken indeed, stricken to the very core of its being by the presence of the Unspeakable …. It is the void that contradicts everything that is spoken even before the words are said; the void that gets into the language of public and official declarations at the very moment when they are pronounced, and makes them ring dead with the hollowness of the abyss. It is the void out of which Eichmann drew the punctilious exactitude of his obedience …
Social habits are very hard to break, especially when they are reinforced by official propaganda. They tend to be addictive. Ownership and use of the cell phone is a prime example. Such phones are a key element in the digital revolution that has allowed for increased social control and propaganda. Few can give them up.
And when your mind is filled with years of propaganda that has become second-nature, your ability to think independently is extremely limited. There is no place for the creative emptiness that leads to genuine thought. Dissent becomes “conspiracy theory.”
Hollow heads filled with straw indeed.
But Eliot may have been wrong in the way he ended his poem:
This is the way the world ends
This is the way the world ends
This is the way the world ends
Not with a bang but a whimper.
It may end with a bang while many just whimper.
Edward Curtin is an independent writer whose work has appeared widely over many years. His website is edwardcurtin.com and his new book is Seeking Truth in a Country of Lies.
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It is painfully obvious that “the world” doesn’t end…. but everyone dies at some point.
Not sure what’s going on with ‘pending’ these days. Fairly innocuous comments triggering purgatory…
Meanwhile… a few pertinent questions. For the pure in heart:
Oasis – Champagne Supernova
Thought these were pertinent questions for our age; albeit from a (somewhat) dubious source:
Choosing to interpret the third question in the religious sense, though that may not be original case.
Nevertheless… I think I we can take refuge in the answer to the first, which we can assume to be ‘none’:
Oasis – Champagne Supernova
The author is correct criticising US invasion in Irak, Afghanistan, Lybia and other countries but somehow he seems to consider justified the Russian invasion in Ukraina. Such double standards is ruining the credibility of his writings.
Justifying the Russian invasion in Ukraine means justifying imperialism, normalizing the fact that a Big Power have the right to impose its will to smaller nations. As result, even American invasion in other countries appear as justified.
You won’t find friends of Ukraine OR Russia here. But Ukraine is especially worthy of invasion. A criminal shithole that was going to be Israel in Europe.
I’d say Pope Boniface was the greatest of all hoarders. He proclaimed himself king of the world and his catholic church the owner of all the people and all their souls in the world as well.
The 1302 Unum Sanctum papal bull remains valid today as all births must be registered and the records kept by the Vatican.
Under Roman/Canon Law, the currrent Pope owns you and all your property! I’d call him and the catholic church hoarders – among other things.
A lot of insane or psychotic people say deluded things. Note the word bull. Be cautious of what you give credence to or publicise.
Hi mgeo, If you do even a small amount of research you will find that my comment is valid.
Keep an open mind.
Was it this cretin that’s been quoted as saying ‘it has served us well this myth of Christ’?
You can’t beat good Christian tyranny. Just like all religions created just for control. The church in the UK lost any remaining credibility it may have had during the covid bollocks when it shut churches and then opened them as jab centres! What a bunch of complete and utter tossers.
I wonder why even though Italy is supposed to be a secular democracy, this insane papal bullshit has not been officially denounced and voided. Oh wait- they have allowed the catholic chuch to remain as a separate state within their national borders….
Dmitri Orlov explains why Russia and China are Global Players but not “Globalists”. Xi and Putin are not interested in Self Destructive Social Policies:
“Goals 2030” from the 2018 conference at Complexity Institute [with my comments]:
In this list various items have been on offer at the Davis conference and other venues of the rich and powerful. That famously went nowhere when they asked Putin and Xi whether they’d like to go along with such a plan. The two answered, no, they had plans that serve the needs of their people. This threw a large wrench into the works.
If Putin and Xi — and with them 80% of the world — are having none of this Global Self Destruct menu, then what can Globalists do? Fight a war against Russia and China, and lose it?
So now Globalists are watching and waiting for the inevitable. Russia is done chewing through the NATO trained Ukrainian military and its NATO weaponry stockpile; and now halfway through chewing any NATO mercenaries in Ukraine plus a hefty portion of NATO’s own weaponry stockpile — all without breaking a sweat.”
This explains why, at present, Russia is “an enemy” and China is “a threat”.
Though I cannot deny that, in the long run, OffG might be right: both Russia and China might abandon the Multi Polar World and join in Self Destructive Globalism. Because the long run tends to run downhill (3rd Law of Thermodynamics).
Why did Scholtz look so worried on his mission to China? The answer is, Stuff.
“China exports 600 key resources that Germany absolutely depends on, such as rare earths, chemicals, and pharmaceutics. But China does not depend on 1 single German resource, none. Sure it can buy electric drills and trains, but it can also buy similar Stuff from Japan, Canada, England or France. China is Germany‘s biggest trading partner for the Right Stuff: Stuff that is essential to Germany’s economic survival, while Germany is to China more like a hobby shop.
Even more imbalanced are human resources. China needs few German brains. But Germany needs hundreds of thousands of Chinese brains each year to keep up Germany‘s R&D (Research and Development).”
Self-destructive Germany being the industrial powerhouse of self-destructive Western Europe, we do well to worry: “Are we the Right Stuff?”
” Why did Scholtz look so worried on his mission to China? ”
Well, he was on a tight schedule, being in Beijing for just one day & he had high hopes for,
One Night in Bangkok … ( Murray Head’s lyrics, 😂 I’d almost forgotten )
But Edward the majority either accept the lie or think the perpetrators were not the one blamed … but very, very few will allow that neither belief is correct, that both assassinations were completely faked … the disbelievers mostly steamroll right past that seemingly beyond-the-pale notion. I have to admit I struggle myself but there’s pretty good evidence that the assassinations were faked – I haven’t look much at Robert’s but for JFK it’s pretty clear. Also, very few recognise that Oswald’s shooting was faked and there is absolutely no doubt about that and nor is there any good reason to doubt it – all they wanted was a scapegoat but no reason for him to die for real, they just wanted us to believe he died.
Other reasons we might think JFK’s assassination was a complete fake:
— There are very few people out to witness the popular president’s motorcade
— Jackie seems pretty calm considering
— Would they really take the risk of pulling off the shooting in that situation?
There is evidence from a number of angles that death and injury were staged on 9/11 and there is absolutely no reason whatsoever to believe in the reality of the anthrax attacks – the narrative for those attacks is ludicrous in the extreme.
The question we must ask is: if we recognise that a narrative contains lies why should we believe a single word of it without clear evidence? It’s not rocket science, we need to subject the whole narrative to scrutiny and the claims of deaths and injury for both 9/11 and the anthrax attacks have been subjected to precisely ZERO scrutiny by the recognised 9/11 pundits – absolutely ZERO, they are simply assumed to be true – everything else a lie but those claims true. Why?
Yes, you can so very unfortunately propagandise health professionals to deliver murderous and maiming jabs by the millions using fraudulent science developed over more than a century … but how easy is it to propagandise demolition professionals to semi-evacuate buildings? It was demolition professionals who brought down those seven plus buildings, right? Why is it that deaths were reported in the Marriott Hotel to one side of the South Tower but none in WTC-4 on the other? How is it that even though all the buildings at the WTC were massively impacted when the twin towers came down deaths were only reported in WTCs 1, 2 and 3 and not in 4, 5 and 6?
They obviously wish to kill and maim people now, the numbers are far too great to be dismissed as “collateral damage”, however, they didn’t want to kill people on 9/11 … and in psyops they do what they want for real and fake the rest. They’ll kill people sure but only when they WANT to kill them not when they only want us to believe in their deaths – it’s their rule.
9/11 was a double-hoax. They hoaxed the anticipated believers … AND the anticipated disbelievers. It’s not rocket science!
Marketing underlies hoarding. Most people are too polite to reject gifts given as a (manufactured) obligation. I had a close relative almost curse me for that.
Behind fashion, insecurity and consuption, the prime directive is to spend, implying slavery to work and debt. However, the subverted government spends, consumes, wastes and (therefore) destroys much more than the people.
Capitalism cannot exist without growth from consumption and debt. But the planet cannot exist for long with capitalism, as Marx stated.
Self Destructive Social Democrat
Three wheels on my wagon: and I’m still rolling along.
& Them Yankee Cherokees are chasing me… 😉
I suppose the accumulation of stuff is the psychic version of the body storing away fat to counter the possibility of lean times.
If you have a nice fat and regular income you can just throw stuff away and buy it again when you need it – and you can live in a nice zen home free of clutter!
The author is so right about how we surround ourselves with ‘things’ fondly imagining we shall eventually leave them all to our children. But they now have their own ‘things’ and don’t want ours. My husband and I have reached the age when we need to think about what happens when we ‘’go”. Klaus Schwab’s idea of renting everything wouldn’t work either as somebody has to own the thing and one’s identity is so inevitably tied up with the ‘things’ chosen or inherited that we surround ourselves with.
Since when was a demolition and media fraud an ‘attack’ ? This just reinforces the idea.
Quite the heady cover for cruelty toward your so-called friend. You definitely should’ve considered hiring estate pros who could’ve sold./donated desirable/useable items to those who would appreciate them, rather than rotting in a dump.
“Social habits” ??? Your friend was a person, not a “case study.”
Very helpful. That said, with what does one populate one’s world? Notions of a sustainable minimum are not related to the satisfaction of repletion. How much does it take to satisfy? So framed living simply is an elusive artform in its own right
Well, Edward, I am one of the people who was upset by your earlier article “The last temptation of things.” It was NOT “clearly false” to me what you now say — that you were not, in fact, attacking people who keep mementos. I keep memorabilia in relative moderation; my husband does tend to hoard a bit (especially stuff related to house repairs). But NEITHER of us is or was taken in by the absurd propaganda being perpetrated and foisted upon us, be it related to, for instance, COVID or the motives behind US actions (and news coverage of them). I am quite willing to consider so-called “conspiracy theories” about world events, so long as they supported by at least some evidence. You might even say that “Dissent” could be my middle name! But I have a cell phone — wish I didn’t have to, but everyone insists on it. I didn’t get the COVID vax (being already out of work due to illness), but my husband had to; one of us needs to work for us to be able to eat. I suppose we could take care of heating, for a little while at least, by burning some of our accumulated mementos/hoarded stuff/rubbish, call it what you will, but then we’d probably be cited for burning without a permit. I think, frankly, you should admit that the language you used in your previous column (and to a lesser degree in this one) is a bit cruel. It is perfectly fine to get people to reflect on why they keep stuff they don’t really need, but not to disparage them for having kept it. Well, that’s my view anyway.
I know it’s time to have a clear-out when I have so much stuff that I can’t find that thing I kept in case it would come in handy one day. But there’s a hell of a lot of dead wood floating about the corridors of power with which we can happily dispense knowing that they will never serve a useful purpose.
I have found some rope if you want it.
More than ever these darkening nights in the new abnormal I see homeless and poor people digging through dumpsters in city alleyways. Some are driving cars, their homes on wheels, loaded to the hilt with their worldly belongings. Others are pushing shopping carts overflowing with all manner of useful waste. I suppose these individuals might qualify as hoarders among this urban foraging tribe of the dispossessed.
I myself have often found furniture I’d hardly call trash in this wasteland, and put it good use for many years. And though I haven’t made a habit of looking for my next meal out of a garbage can, I’ve often marveled at the quality food one may find in back of restaurants where those first in line for the fixins dine at tables with fine cloth napkins.
No doubt what’s moving along from the front to the back of the house and into the dumps, particularly in those even poorer lands where people dig in shit for peach pits to gnaw on, may show a line of descent from some of the real hoarders, those closer to the top of the food chain whose tables are set atop the blood and bones of beasts of burden in a social system which eats most of humanity. In the pecking order of modern pyramid schemes of capital, affluence can count as a crime against humanity, evoking anger over survival of the fattest if not compassion for the hungry and starving.
Nevertheless, ‘affluenza’ is hardly the disease at the root of this planet of slums and misery. And however the need to consume may be perceived balanced by the desire to accumulate, it’s not such ethical aesthetic (often cultivated by more comfortable middle class bourgeosie) which provides the necessary passion for justice that might revolutionize “this filthy, rotten system” (Dorothy Day).
Besides, consumer paradises like the Amerikan Dream and myths of lands overflowing with abundance have been dying a slow death over the past half century or so with neoliberal debt bondage and now the Great Reset to lay down the rule of austerity, or disposability, with technocratic vengeance. Better at this stage of the endgame to resurrect the cry of the people suffering under robber barons or the boot of Big Brother wanting to stamp on our faces forever, and radical freedom of equality within the commons of our one home on earth.
The first man who, having enclosed a piece of ground, bethought himself of saying This is mine, and found people simple enough to believe him, was the real founder of civil society. From how many crimes, wars and murders, from how many horrors and misfortunes might not any one have saved mankind, by pulling up the stakes, or filling up the ditch, and crying to his fellows, “Beware of listening to this impostor; you are undone if you once forget that the fruits of the earth belong to us all, and the earth itself to nobody.”—Rousseau
“He meant it as a complement.”
“Now I see that there is a clear connection between hoarding – or whatever word you choose to give it when the saving of things is excessive – and propaganda. Both are forms of habitual clutter, one mental and the other physical, the former imposed from without and accepted passively and the latter self-created to try to protect from loss.”
Suck Off-Guardian editing as usual. Where is the editor or proofreader?!
Talk about the real issues hormonal teenagers are being transformed into whatever gender. The war in Russia is a money making machine. 9-11 was an inside job.China is a dictatorship.North korea drinks tea with china.How can we let one man one dynasty control millions of people I’ll tell you why because people have become weak.Refuges obviously they want a better life from poverty but imagine all these refugees are purposely by governments sent and cared for by our countries purposely to mix up the diversity and race of that nation imagine that?The Europeans will be a a thing of the maggots want it that way they think they are breeding dogs a new human breed of subordinates.
If I was abit more sober I would of wrote that better but I’m not it’s a Sunday I’ve had gin.I think alot of you on here are fantastic and great thinkers and writers ❤️
Some guardian writers but I’m talking about the comments are way more informative I’m just a human trying to make sense of what the hell is going on as I’m sure you all are too.It’s been rough past 3 years has it always been?Or has God lifted the veil all of a sudden.Truth is stranger than fiction.And whos the great deceiver?If God lifted the veil to us should we act on it or keep silent.
Shattering “some deep sense they have of themselves”
What are we but empty conscious vessels temporarily finding our self in an infinite time and space, not of our choosing, yet we are grasping for identity and meaning so as to manage.
What is that self other than the illusions and constructs that we grasp for to mentally solidify a very temporary existence in an infinitely complex and interdependent relativity.
Of course it’s the hording of ideas and things to suit our self created delusional identity that make us “feel” we are real and exist; that we are significant and can project a “personality”, Facing infinite universal reality is much too demeaning, or “mind blowing”, to use a common term. Using what yardstick could I calibrate how significant or insignificant I really am.
“I think therefore I am”. Our consciousness of that universe is what makes it, and makes us real.
The Buddhists have a concept of “selflessness”. Imagine a big ceramic jar on top of a very high mountain and you are in that jar. Inside, you prescribe your perspective, limited to the walls of the jar. That jar is your ego, the delusion and restriction of your relative self awareness,
Shatter the jar and the vast enormity of the panorama becomes reality. The space inside the jar and outside the jar suddenly merge to realize that they were always part of the same thing. The space was always one, “ego-less-ness” is not a question of denying your ego, but simply accepting the reality that your ego was just a self comforting and limiting delusion which never existed.
From that point on, things and ideas (like propaganda) can no longer posses you, but you are now part of that infinity, “for real”, as they say.
The first man who, having enclosed a piece of ground, bethought himself of saying This is mine, and found people simple enough to believe him, was the real founder of civil society. From how many crimes, wars and murders, from how many horrors and misfortunes might not any one have saved mankind, by pulling up the stakes, or filling up the ditch, and crying to his fellows, “Beware of listening to this impostor; you are undone if you once forget that the fruits of the earth belong to us all, and the earth itself to nobody.—Rousseau
Yeah, and communism has been proved to work on so many occasions……………………..
My comment has not appeared.
Maybe I wrote too many words.
Does OFFG realise how your moderation policy seriously pisses off people like me, who used to send you £10 occasionally
If you make more than two edits on a post recently it chucks you into spam. Even happens to admin. I fished your comment out.
The team certainly do appreciate your past generosity, but please also realise we have to be impartial as moderators. As you admit yourself, you have taken the royal piss with relentless off-topic commenting sprees in the past, and put us to no small amount of work in the process. Therefore, we do have to prune your contributions sometimes, however you are always welcome to comment. A2
I will upvote you if you send the tenner to me instead.
Offg’s equivalent to Musk’s blue tick policy? XD
Sorry, V. Times are really tough. I’m gonna’ have to sell myself Cheaper…
I’m gonna’ give Tony a free like as inducement, and offer loyalty,
For a Fiver 😂…
No hard feelings Tony: I gave you a thumbs 👆 for having taken time-out from such prolific volumes of typing 😔 , to contribute financially. Respect for that… ➕
Let’s be honest though Tony, you were taking the royal piss to the level of
Chucky d’Turd on Corghi’s crap in Kew Gardeners’ Wonderland, on many occasions…
And Admin had to wade though a shit load, plus Oceans of Abstract to fathom
anything-anything of substance: and whether you were a machine, learning…
Many of us were wondering, Tony.
Now, how about a fiver a month, for OffG mods & rockers ?
In your last article, you did attack some ordinary people labeled as hoarders. You must be familiar with the American tv-series called Hoarders. People who are traumatized and depressed and unable to clean their houses. People who need social aid, jail time, governmental actions to ”help them”.
I’m sure if you walk into a house of a billionaire, there are no signs of hoarding.
That was the problem with your article.
About social habits, unless you’re familiar with the culture, you do not understand social habits. Not understanding something is a very bad basis for ”doing good” or ”helping”. American war machine has been ”doing good” and ”helping” the rest of the world for centuries. The results: destroying civilizations, cultures, countries, people, societies, nature, to gain more property to themselves. So who are the real hoarders that you do not attack?
Property is theft. Slavery is murder. (P-J Proudhon 1840)
Fuck Proudhon and the rest of the pseudo- intellectual wankers. My home is mine, my tools are mine, my toys are mine and you cannot have them because I worked for those things and I need them to live a decent life. There is such a thing as a distinction between having enough and having far more than you need at the expense of others.
The property in question here is unearned property: as that of a landowner, who does nothing but makes other people work for him, or someone who owns a workplace like factory, again making other people work for his profit, or a money loaner.
What goods you own is not property.
Yep. Propaganda has become a consumer commodity filling people’s minds up with cheap corporate programming, turning each into a bot fulfilling corporate state objectives. Below is a perfect example article today from our arch MSM propagandist. Apparently, the “civil war” meme is being elevated to MSM for mainstream injection. It reads to me like tactics from the US military’s Counter Insurgency Manual, where what the author says will happen is actually what the SYSTEM is going to execute to simulate a civil war, thus “creating” one. This is fraud beyond words… from a how-to DIY civil war cookbook author…
The goal is to facilitate deployment of the military domestically.
There was no “Russian” revolution. It was a bankster driven regime change by the same people who created the CIA.
What was the U$ military doing there?
Making sure things went according to plan ?
See earlier discussion started by Edwige.
The US military were probably keeping an eye on the banksters’ investment – and making sure it was going according to plan.
Hedging Bankers bets. Backing both horses. Plausible Deniability, see?
If Lenin, Trotsky or another were to turn around and distance himself from
Central Bank Sponsors in NYC, or off to some ‘Karibik’ island paradise with ice pick, then they have the military in the field and
Could declare Lenin’s narrative of Historic
interconnectivity as ‘Absurdistan’, via their media
Spinning and funding, yet more war…
Win win P.D. just ask Shaggy,
“It wasn’t me…” ( counterbalancing Returns from the D.o.D )
And exactly like Elon Musk on Twitter admitted, (insanely, regarding Evo Morales)
“WE WILL COUP WHOEVER WE WANT ! DEAL WITH IT …”
Re. Lithium Resources: nothing new under the Sun or New York 📯 PostmanPat-sy
Times of old: back in Lenin’s time, Pigeons were useful bringers of ‘news’… just before finally TPTB created the first C.P.I. Committee for Public Information,
Neglecting any reference to private information and bird song. Today Tweet >>>
#Yield.check-C.P.I. Consumer Price index indicates, PepsiPepsiPepsiBuyBuyBuy.
Sorry, what were we talking about, troops and that Lenin commie 😂 joker.
Did you check the Wheat 🌾 Price ? Weetabix looks good…
und so Weiter: self-destructive social habits.
So what was Ten Days that Shook the World by John Reed about anyway? He was actually there. Anthony Sutton wasn’t even born yet.
I’m not disputing the notion that there was a revolutionary, two-stage overthrow of the existing regime. Rather, I think it likely that the main instigation came from outside Russia. Moreover, it was billed as ideological rather than national or patriotic. Lenin called it a “proletarian” revolution – led by a vanguard of professional revolutionaries. Obviously, he didn’t mention that he was being funded by banksters.
BTW: I’m equally sceptical about the “English” civil war; and the “American” and “French” revolutions.
With the greatest interest and with never slackening attention I read John Reed’s book, Ten Days that Shook the World. Unreservedly do I recommend it to the workers of the world. Here is a book which I should like to see published in millions of copies and translated into all languages. It gives a truthful and most vivid exposition of the events so significant to the comprehension of what really is the Proletarian Revolution and the Dictatorship of the Proletariat. These problems are widely discussed, but before one can accept or reject these ideas, he must understand the full significance of his decision. John Reed’s book will undoubtedly help to clear this question, which is the fundamental problem of the international labor movement.
End of 1919
This is not the case with the Russian or the Spanish revolutions…and such simplifications are offensive because they erase human history.
Rather, the banksters hijacked genuine insurrections in order to profit from the war and what follows it. The bolsheviks were not the only force behind the early days of the Russian revolution.
“History” is a debate.
The truly worthwhile things cannot be hoarded. Case in point (for computers): Windows 98, Windows XP, Windows 7. They can’t be hoarded – and the newer, horrendous operating systems like Windows 10 don’t allow for a shared platform (like XP does).
And the Geek Squad (do you have Best Buy in Britain?) won’t touch a computer whose operating system Microsoft no longer supports.
It’s a case of too little of a good thing.
Funny – today I have been experiencing creative roadblocks using my Windows 10 system to design a ‘home made’ greetings card! I dragged out my old laptop that has both XP and Windows 2000 on it! Bish Bash Bosh! Result! Wall negotiated! Card made! Of course – I don’t connect said old laptop to the WorldWideWeb of lies a deceit….MS would kill it with some polluting toxic background time bomb software! To print out my creations – I simply remove the phone/router cable from its socket and connect old laptop to the router! But hey – I’m not a geek – just a hoarder of gadgets that still work without my being forced kicking and screaming into ‘APPLAND!’ 😎
What do you mean by Windows 10 doesn’t allow for a shared platform?
Here is the Epoch Times article featured as “premium” in Zero Hedge this Sunday morning. These two MD’s are very careful to cover their asses by blaming this on the fictitious virus, SARS-CoV-2, and more specifically its “spike protein.” Of course SARS-CoV-2 only exists in the minds of our technocratic overlords and their billions of hypnotized dupes. I would bet the farm that this spike protein was developed as a bioweapon in deep black labs long before the cv-1984 official roll out and incorporated as a depopulation weapon against humanity. It only exists as an interaction between the synthetic RNA and DNA in the fake vaccines and the ribosomes of the injected, mind controlled victims. The authors of this article of course attempt to blame the problem on the mythical virus causing cv-1984 and the even more mythical long covid, which I prefer to relabel mockingly as schlong covid. They meticulously avoid the issue of what effect the billions of spike proteins manufactured by the fake vaccines have on the production of these lethal clot monstrosities. Cover Thy Ass. However, once one realizes that the article is a medium of misleading propaganda, it does have some scientific value.
What does schlong mean I’ve never heard of it before?
😎 look it up
Dick! Haha 🤣
Yes, not only that, it is also infectious. The spike proteins shed from the infected and are carrying over to the unjab’d when in close contact.
In the mean time i wondered what blood banks are doing with the donated but mostly tainted blood?? We had a HIV contaminated blood scandal in the ’90, remember…
UK “nudge unit” recommends banks track carbon footprint transactions, reward “sustainable behaviours”.
One big Australian bank already doing so.
The hoarder / propaganda-filled mind analogy I am still finding a bit “labored” but at least suggestive. I can confirm that “anger” response; couple times at least when I have even signaled in a “joking” way less than full compliance with the Covid narrative and practices people have flown into a real rage – I found it very peculiar at the time. In short – I now find it less so – you are “on” to something – thanks.
The system cannot be fixed. Period. We require an entirely new living arrangement. The system is corrupt at all levels and thus corruptible. Who would want to use any of it.
We are The System. We reproduce it every day. To fix it we have to fix ourselves. Our obedience is the glue that holds it all together.
Yes “we” are supporting it every time we use it’s multitude of “conveniences” and go along with the deceits (“we” tell “ourselves” we’re just to busy).
But this system existed before we did. We were born into it. And the “we” don’t run it and it’s machinations. Representative government is nothing but a con game… The entire system is an instrument of the few, mostly the unseen.
Edward writes ‘Social habits are hard to break….Ownership and use of a cell phone is a prime example. Such phones are a key element in the digital revolution that has allowed for increased social control…’ (my emphasis).
Arthur Firstenberg (The Invisible Rainbow) has called on us to give up the use of cell phones. Wishful indeed !
I detoxed from my phone gradually.
I have always wanted a phone which is only a phone, but such things are no longer manufactured by anybody.
So, bit by bit, I started unchecking all those buttons that connect you and all the paraphernalia of your life to some “cloud” owned by an angel from hell, and I now have little more than a contact list left to play with.
Just people I actually work with, or simply like keeping in touch with – on my terms.
Oh, and I revived the ancient art of not picking the phone up every time somebody rings…
It seems to work, and I feel I have come pretty close to ‘giving up the use of’ the damn thing.
I feel very sorry for the billions of people who have forgotten what a phone-free life can be, but you can’t live other people’s lives for them.
When I was a shepherd I, rather stupidly, put a bleating sheep ringtone on my phone. Of course I never heard it ring. And that was a small lesson in freedom I suppose. Thinking of a new ringtone that goes”Fuck this shit” or somesuch. Maybe “No no Go outside my sweet “
Although the system can do with a change it’s the people that run it that also ruin it. We don’t need un-elected people ruling over us.
We need accountability with law and order. Otherwise it doesn’t matter what system you have corruptibility will always take hold. No point taking an oath when it is broken the next day. Funny thing is the people who run the system take no oath.
As an example our taxes and loan repayments don’t need to go to central banks and their private owners.They should go back to the government only and no further to be spent back into the country. Fix that and you are well on the way to making life better.
No, but it can create the problem, so as to create the solution, which creates the next problem… and so it goes.
From little acorns…
Get rid of central banks and you’re almost there.
Also nobody can own more than 1 media company.
If the masses don’t have the Holy Spirit within, they will comprehend nothing.. Instead always make the government their god…
Or make themselves their god…
over simplified, but aye, or any idol.
“Few Americans know that the U.S. invaded Russia in 1918 to try to stop the Russian Revolution.”
That might be because “the U.S.” did no such thing. One advantage of “dumbing down” is that there are fewer lies to un-learn so Americans who never ‘learnt’ this were unintentionally fortunate. The Allies did not invade Russia to halt the Revolution – only the Japanese briefly took that seriously until they were disabused of the idea. The Allies sent troops to Russia to secure Western assets and on occasions assist the Revolution. The New York Times reported on 15th February 1920 when Vladivostock was liberated from the Whites, “There is a pronounced pro-American feeling evident. Revolutionary leaders mounted the steps of buildings across the street, making speeches calling the Americans real friends , who, at a crucial time, saved the present movement”. The NYT journalist was actually present.
Clearly Mr, Curtin needs to read Antony Sutton’s ‘Wall Street and the Bolshevik Revolution’ and Richard B. Spence’s ‘Wall Street and the Russian Revolution 1905-1925′. Useful additional information can be found in Eustace Mullins’ ‘The Curse of Canaan’, John Hamer’s ‘The Falsification of History’ and Guy Richards’ ‘The Hunt for the Czar’. This is not of course to say every words in all these books is necessarily correct but they do show Wall St, intelliegence agency and secret society fingerprints are all over the Russian Revolution. My favourite is probably the ‘Red Cross mission’ consisting of about two medics and a dozen bankers! More revealingly, fewer Americans probably know how Russia helped the Union in the American Civil War (unlike Britain and France) and how Russian sailors paraded through New York and San Francisco.
As for last week’s article only being about “excessive” property – well, that’s baked into the word “excessive” which by definition is too much. How much is excessive and who gets to define it? I had things in the attic I didn’t “need” but I’m glad they were there to sell and help pay my energy bill. Klaus Schwab would love everyone to have just what they “need” – then external circumstances can be changed and suddenly what one possesses is no longer enough. They want to pull their levers and everybody has to snap to attention immediately. Most people are currently more keeping their heads above water than keeping up with the Joneses.
BTW one of the oligarchs implicated in assisting the Russian Revolution was Charles Schwab. Is there any connection to his more famous namesake?
You are wrong about US intervention in Russia. The US did exactly what I say it did.
As for defining “excessive,” I did that with the example of the house.
She’s right though.
See what I did there?
Saying “I am right” without any supporting evidence or further research to present, is a bit lame.
At least Edwige recommended 2 books to read on the topic, but I see nothing of that sort on your side.
And I hope you didn’t mean to be in a rush when you crafted your answer as such controversial topics require a some more attention than broad and blunt unsupported statements.
(Disclaimer: I support neither theories about US intervention in Russia, but I consider Edwidge’s answer more constructive than yours, at least on this very topic)
assuming you are edward curtin, and your handle hasn’t been hacked – I just loved your book..
Almost everything I write here is deleted before it appears..
So thanks to Off Guardian for making me aware of CJ Hopkins and Ed Curtin
I am one of these weird people who still buys books on paper, if I am feeling rich on hard back..
Heroes and Villains: The COVID-19 Book of Lists Paperback – 24 Oct. 2022
by Reid Sheftall M.D. (Author), Michael Yeadon PhD (Contributor)
It hasn’t arrived yet…Never heard of Reid Sheftall , but I think Michael Yeadon is a bit of a star.
I don’t know what I am doing wrong
It’s funny how that happens!
‘The New York Times reported on 15th February 1920 when Vladivostock was liberated from the Whites…The NYT journalist was actually present.’
So impressed. The New York Times also has journalists present in Israel. One such horror show, for several years, was Jodi Rudoren — now editor of the Forward.
Here was one of her ‘interviews’ w an Israeli “planter of bombs under Palestinian cars.” (NOTE: no mention in the article of whether the bombs went off.)
“He spoke in complicated, nuanced sentences.” Then his cute-as-a-button wife came in from the kitchen to apologize for noise she would soon be making.
“That noise,” said the planter of bombs under Palestinian cars, w a twinkle in his eye, “will soon be a cake.”
Yes, geopolitics seems replete with “contradictions”. Much of it has been tampered with by hidden agendas and faceless powers.
The trip into Soviet Union/Russia as an invasion was contradicted by the significant funding of weapons from the West. It’s called Realpolitik, an amoral world view of power, deceit and domination. Woodrow Wilson was hired to be president since he was fully on board with these machinations of this cabal, particularly signing off on the Federal Reserve Bank and the Federal Income Tax and ultimately joining the allies into WWI.
I would see the network, as Carroll Quigley called them, that secret society as JFK suggested he had no tolerance for, as behind what appears to be convoluted foreign policies who to this day run the show. Communism, Capitalism, Fascism, Socialism, China, Russia, etc. made no difference as long as they could provide the means of world dominance.
So yes, the US/West invaded. And yes, the US/West provided arms and funds to the Bolsheviks. They play all sides.
They were there to ensure the right outcome from the investment in the revolution. Just as they now invade over petroleum.
I think it’s not just investments as in $$$, but control and power. The whole notion of “balance of power” is how this cult controls the policies of most Western nations, most decidedly the US. These policies make no sense to most people because they are never presented, debated or brought forth for obvious reasons.
This cult/cabal use money but are not interested in owning it. The head of Blackrock is a multimillionaire and yet his investment firm holds sway of $14 Trillion dollars. Power is the name of the game.
…”fewer Americans probably know how Russia helped the Union in the American Civil War (unlike Britain and France) and how Russian sailors paraded through New York and San Francisco.”
Wasn’t that specificly the reason that the “secret societies” went after Czar Nicolas and murdered the entire family? As ‘reward’ for sending over the russian fleet and military assistance to the Union.
dunno about yank direct, but ole blighty did..
many WW1 memorials run to 1919. . . .
always saw that,
then Charlie’s War explained, bless Pat Mills. and so “it” unfolds…
The most bitter pill for the Left to swallow: “You were wrong about everything and those ‘dumbass’ Right wingers were right!”
And I regard myself as Left.
PS: Don’t expect them to swallow it!
NZ truly is a moronic, backwards country. But for awhile there we got tricked into thinking we were so progressive, forward thinking and by default advanced for carrying out all the global agendas, at pace. None of this has any relevance to our cultural and historical backgrounds. It seems this probably applies to other supplicant slave states, such as Ireland, Canada, etc… as well.
Around the 1:30 mark:
The new wave of terrorism consists of …..”those motivated by politics”!
Is there actually a definitive alternative explanation of what actually happened on sept 11 2001?i know there are holes in the official story, but in the conspiracy world there are also unlikely versions …. like there were no planes involved atall.
Corbett recently came out with a bit of a diatribe on just how “unproductive” the focus on exactly how both the destruction of the WTC and its three towers as well as the financial records of the Pentagram were carried out. I do not totally agree with him in this regard. When one collects the facts, one realizes just how absurd the official story is. One is forced into the logical conclusion that the 9/11 attacks on the WTC and the Pentagram were orchestrated by the “deep state,” specifically the Mossad and the CIA, with the US Air Farce playing a “helper” role. Since the Twin Towers were structurally planned to withstand a strike of a passenger airliner, one can only conclude that it was a diversion from the real cause of their demise. Other theories certainly exist including nanothermite cutting the beams, electronically triggered large caches of explosives, nuclear triggers resulting micro-nuclear explosions, and directed energy weapons. These are not mutually exclusive. Each explanation has its merits and demerits. What is important is not exactly how the destruction was carried out, but rather what organizations colluded in it and why.
Regarding the whole question of airline collisions, for what it is worth, as a person with a background in the physical sciences, I would say that by far the highest probability is that the airliner collisions were real though the public videos of it were produced beforehand. They only resulted in minor structural damage. The planes that accomplished this were not the ones which left Boston, but rather substitute drones along the lines of the Operation Northwoods script that JFK vetoed to the undying hatred of the Joint Chiefs. The planes leaving Boston landed at a military base and the passengers were murdered via cyanide injection into the passenger compartments. Then flown on to Israel after a few days. The Pentagram hit was most likely a cruise missile which may have been supplemented by internally planted explosives.
the major problem with the ‘sure there were real planes!!!!’ notion is the pretty much complete lack of **major** debris such as you see in EVERY other ‘real’ plane crash – absolutely impossible that all 4 ‘planes’ basically disintegrated into metal tinsel – no tail assemblies, wings, engines, cabin sections, etc etc etc. As impossible as those 3 WTC buildings collapsing into their own footprints exactly like controlled demolition but OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!! it was NOT CONTROLLED DEMOLITION etc etc etc
Good points, siamdave. To be honest, I forgot the lack of depris other than the pristine Saudi passport and a jet motor which was not a part of the model of planes that purportedly crashed. Perhaps it was just planted or it belonged to a drone which really did crash. And of course we have the impossibility of the computer generated graphic made famous in minutes along with the name of ObL, but which has nothing in common with what would have resulted in an actual crash. I guess the dog ate the homework of the computer artist, who probably did most of his work for films where the emotional impact was more demanded than engineering reality. But the crux of the matter is that the perps managed to muddy the water of the details, probably by combining a mixture of causes, which brings us back to the original point that we know who did it and why, and that is what counts.
There were no independant reliable witnesses to the alleged plane crashes. On the other hand even insider photographer David Handschuh admitted on the Charlie Rose show admitted he was positioned in the right place at the right time and did not see the fictitious “UA 175”.
There’s no “definitive” version of anything among conspiracy theorists, because, unlike normies, conspiracy theorists are allowed to think for themselves and come up with their own versions of the story.
Note that when “plane” two “hits” the second tower the tower doesn’t move so much as an inch. That’s impossible. The reason those windows were so narrow was because steel columns were to the left and right of each one. A plane that big and heavy, hitting those columns, the wings especially — that building is going to move. (Of course too, the towers were designed to give, people used to get seasick in high winds.)
The second thing of note, same “plane”: the tail section enters the building at the same velocity as the nose. Again: not possible. The wings hitting those steel columns would have abruptly reduced the plane’s speed — if anything, the tail section would more likely have fallen in the street than gone into the building. I think el Gallinazo’s explanation below is probably very close to the truth.
And if ever plugging one’s own product is appropriate, here would be the place. malvernthenovel.com.
I do not think you may find a definitive answer, but I would recommend you look into Judy Wood’s analysis.
Whether or not you agree on her conclusions, she will show you the entire narrative from a different perspective: I found her evidence on “WHAT happened” the most solid I have seen so far. On the topic “HOW it happened”, that is more speculative.
Excellent point. In her forward to her book (which survived my expatriation and has a prominent place on my bookshelf), the much disparaged Judy states in her forward that the WTC attack was a crime scene, and the first thing which an honest detective does with a crime scene is to thoroughly compile all the evidence without preconceptions. That was her goal.
As a gifted professor of materials engineering at the time of the attack, she watched the TV narrative in the students’ lounge immediately realizing due to her expertise how ludicrous they were.
thanks all…just hoping someone could sort the conspiracy wheat from the conspiracy chaff !
ive looked again and also find the explanation of a reaction of sprinkler water and melting aluminium, producing a hydrogen explosion quite persuasive….there’s a lack of whistleblowers??
If the free energy theory of Judy Wood was true, It would be so far-fetched for the common people, than any whistleblowers would be ridiculed and “shut down” with very little effort.
“It creates convictions and compliance that are effective only by continuous repetition”
Covid propaganda was on repeat, but also:
– Covid HYPE was military grade propaganda
– doctors (GPs) were telling their patients LIES
– people quickly follow what preserves their income and earnings, and the threat of losing jobs if unvaccinated was real
– the threat to severe social contacts was real. with increased loneliness the threat to cut whatever left from a diminishing social circle was real. REMEMBER the main punishment for criminals is to deprive them of social contact by putting them in jail. Covid propagandists achieved the same results by introducing Social Isolation and Social Distancing
I wonder if people who have led generally “lonely” lives – are those who were most resistant to the Covid-operation ? – I have sometimes been prompted to think “It’s a role [i.e. Covid/vax skeptic, resistor] I have been preparing for for a lifetime!”
The ultimate aim of the propaganda may be far more insidious than any of the relatively obvious bullshit. (And bearing in mind that the vast majority still don’t see – or don’t allow themselves to see – that relatively obvious bullshit.) This goes back to that deliberately understated ending to Orwell’s 1984: Winston Smith’s burnout. Smith ends up smashed in a bar and weeping at a screen of Big Brother. He isn’t weeping in rage or despair but with a self-conviction that he now “loves” Big Brother. Smith has effectively been emptied of all substance and filled up with a mirror of the system.
The obvious props of covid did – and continue to do – the immediate physical damage. But the media around you is truly matter of Silent Weapons for Quite Wars. It is a poison dripping into you 24/7. And even the fact that you see through it is something that it uses against you by encouraging a sense of despair which ultimately works below your conscious level. It aims to turn you into a zombie.
Thus the old “golden age” scenario that the media have promoted so heartily – all that Morecambe and Wise Christmas Show camaraderie now transferred to stuff like Strictly Come Dancing and Graham Norton. Every avenue of “light entertainment” stuffed with subliminal messages about “doing your bit” for the covid effort. All the celebs lined up to encourage you to “muck in”. Not a mention of any actual critique of any of this except as a menacing offstage murmur of dark “Far Right” uprising.
And your friends all bought into this crap from day 1. Indeed, they didn’t need to buy into it. They were already there and will forever reside in that happy media land where the very notion of mistrusting the mainstream news never enters their head even for a second. An old friend of mine even went along with that “scientific” observation that previous generations all the way back to the Stone Age had “transgenderism” but “didn’t know what to call it”! It’s truly disturbing to hear the very people around you spout the mainstream waffle and they even have the nerve to present this bull as if they themselves are somehow being radical and rebellious.
More than anything else, it is the surrounding population’s total incapacity for any critical thought whatever that causes despair. As it is meant to.
You’re definitely one up on me…because I haven’t a clue what passes for news or entertainment on media controlled outlets.
And when I get together with family, we don’t talk about these things – because we have such a good time being together. We don’t have to bring nonsense to the table.
nice and sweet to-the-point article!
Amongst the many terrible things that the Times of London has printed the past three years, this week’s claim that ‘democracy is best shared by two ignorant tribes staying well apart’ or words to that effect.
It basically says that most humans don’t want the truth, they want a narrative they can fall asleep to.
Most of us here of course, don’t subscribe to that theory.
But I see it a lot in the less thinking of our species….
‘Self-Destructive Social Habits’
Bullshit jobs (tiring as hell)
Art (KLF is gonna rock you!)
Social media (make that ‘the’ media)
Delusions of grandeur (status anxiety)
Sports and mass spectacles
Not giving yourself the time to think for yourself, work for yourself, be happy with yourself.
The wish to have someone who watches over you and takes all the decisions for you (like a boss), so you’ll be happy (like ‘a pig in a cage on antibiotics’).
Being scared all the time for… nothing (including viruses that do not exist)
Find lame excuses in order to not take your own responsibility for… everything
Despise all people who think for themselves, act for themselves and do whatever they want, because they have something what you lack: guts!
Do you mind if I tweak your comment just a bit?
You mention “Art” and whatever “KLF” is, who’s “gonna rock you.” Art and Rock & Roll ought not to be mentioned in the same sentence. I love some Rock & Roll – but Art, it ain’t.
You mentioned being “happy (like a pig in a cage…).” A pig – or any other being – in a cage is anything but “happy.” Sows are kept in cages so small they can’t even turn around. Happy they ain’t.
‘Do you mind if I tweak your comment just a bit?’
Not at all.
One should never explain art, so I won’t explain what I said about art (and why I said it), but just point out to you that I was talking about the KLF as you can see them performing their art here:
And to this art when I was talking about pigs in a cage
I leave it there, since I don’t want to end up in Self-Destructive Social Habits.