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REVIEW: The Psychology of Totalitarianism

Kevin Ryan

Belgian psychologist Mattias Desmet published his book The Psychology of Totalitarianism in June 2022. The book brings attention to the need to understand our own psychology in this time of global crisis.

It outlines the process of mass formation by which the masses find themselves to be hypnotized members of a totalitarian state. It also provides ideas about the evolution of scientific thought and how that evolution has led to an over-estimation of certainty and an oversimplification of living systems.

Overall, Desmet’s book is an ambitious work that focuses initially on his assessment of the evolution of mankind’s “mechanistic worldview,” particularly since The Enlightenment.

Basing his concepts on the work of others including philosopher Hannah Arendt and the social psychologist Gustav Le Bon, Desmet describes how it is this mechanistic worldview that sets the stage for a totalitarian state. This comes across as a call to step away from blind belief in scientific “fact” and toward a more harmonious resonating with a deeper understanding of the world.

Although Desmet’s larger thesis would benefit from more detailed support, the process of mass formation as described in the book rings true, particularly in terms of what people have experienced with the “coronavirus crisis.” The Covid crimes exposed the fact that many individuals in our society can be led to throw away everything they have always valued, including freedom and health, in order to gain security from an innocuous threat.

Studying the development of mass formation is therefore a very important component of understanding human psychology in our time.

Part I – Science and Its Psychological Effects

According to Desmet’s perspective, a mechanistic worldview brought society into a psychological condition that “degenerated into dogma and blind belief.” He notes that man has always had a mechanistic worldview, citing that Greeks invented the word atom. But the Enlightenment caused this to become dominant as people moved away from religion and toward science, with its extensive use of numbers, to represent theories and facts.

Desmet describes how the use of measured values to represent scientific fact in fields such as chemistry and physics has not caused a lot of trouble psychologically. However, problems studied in psychology and medicine cannot be so easily reduced to a matter of simple numbers. That’s because with all numbers there is an uncertainty that leaves an unexplained remainder.

Desmet says that this remainder, the difference between the model and reality, is the living component of systems otherwise thought to be dead. When studying living systems, equating numbers with precise facts is wrong.

Arendt suggested that the difference or remainder that is left after describing living systems is vitally important. Without it, she says, humans are reduced to atomized subjects. In other words, we begin to see ourselves and each other as objects. Desmet says the remainder is “the essence of the object, its living component.” The atomization of life leads to an inability to distinguish facts from fiction and ultimately to the problem of totalitarianism.

The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.”Hannah Arendt

Objectifying involves simplifying and, as we simplify our concepts of other people and ourselves, we lose a lot of understanding. Desmet’s text focuses on numbers but it seems clear that words are misunderstood in the same ways. Desmet notes that the use of symbols can lead to the same problems and it’s evident that images should be included in the mix. These objects of our minds—numbers, words, symbols, and images—can be further oversimplified as we compare them and frame them in dualistic or binary ways.

According to Desmet’s theory, we build a false worldview by using numbers to represent aspects of the human condition, like thoughts and feelings, physiological health, or group identity. This leads to an increase in the superficiality of our understanding of the world, and the opportunities for being dangerously wrong, that such a worldview allows. He writes,

The almost irresistible illusion that numbers represent facts ensures that most people become increasingly convinced that their own fiction is reality.”

Desmet further suggests that,

Something in this narrative causes man to become isolated from his fellow man, and from nature. Something in it causes man to stop resonating with the world around him. Something in it turns human beings into atomized subjects. It is precisely this atomized subject that, according to Hannah Arendt, is the elementary building block of the totalitarian state.”

Science has itself become objectified through simplification. In the last few years, we have seen an increasing number of people speaking of how “Science” tells them they are right in whatever position they hold despite the fact that they either don’t know the actual science behind the subject or don’t know much about science at all.

Science has in many ways become a religion practised by people who put all of their faith in a generalized, objectified view of what they believe science represents. Those who do not agree with their view of science, whether it be “The Right,” or “anti-vaxxers,” or “super spreaders,” are the problem that needs to be solved.

As we saw with the Covid crimes, the hypnotized are easily led to believe that wrong thinkers need to be controlled, by force if necessary.

Desmet goes on to describe how the mechanistic worldview has proven insufficient for understanding our world, citing examples from Chaos Theory and Quantum Mechanics. He makes the point that patterns arise from physical and mathematical phenomena that are not seen or predicted in our simplified views of them. As a statistician, Desmet should know this well.

He describes the Lorenz strange attractor in which the rate of change of three variables related to a moving water wheel are graphed over time, revealing a pattern that has been used to demonstrate sensitive dependence on initial conditions (i.e. the butterfly effect).

We cannot predict the specific behaviors of the waterwheel (at least not in its chaotic phase), but we can learn the principles by which it behaves and learn to sense the sublime aesthetic figures hidden beneath the chaotic surface of those behaviors. Hence, there is no rational predictability, but there is a certain degree of intuitive predictability.”

Part II – Mass Formation and Totalitarianism

Desmet did not invent the term mass formation, which was used by Freud and others long before him. His main contributions to the subject are in providing:

  • a more through description of mass formation as mass hypnosis
  • his distinction between dictatorships, which are driven by fear, and totalitarian states, which are driven by the mass formation process
  • his application of the mass formation process to the coronavirus crisis

As stated above, the book describes the “insidious process” of mass formation by starting with the evolution of mankind’s mechanistic worldview. Desmet couples with that a description of how we learn words and numbers as children.

Desmet states that we learn words and numbers to understand, and gain the approval of, The Other (e.g. our mother). Over time we learn that words and numbers cannot have definite meaning. This apparently is an early indication to us that mechanistic thinking is not sufficient for full understanding of our world. This learning either leads to isolation and anxiety through the fear of being left behind, or an appreciation for our own creativity and new ways to develop.

More commonly isolation and anxiety develop, initiating to the process of mass formation, the five primary states of which are as follows.

  1. Isolation and loneliness
  2. A lack of meaning in life
  3. Free-floating anxiety, which is not image bound. At this stage a person doesn’t know what they are anxious about.
  4. Free-floating frustration and aggression
  5. The appearance of a suggestive story, provided by “Leaders,” that establishes an object or image on which the anxiety can be focused

Desmet does not describe the exact cause and effect between each of these states, and certainly not the mechanism of action between each. But humans are social creatures and therefore it makes sense that removing social interactions (isolation and loneliness) leads to a lack of meaning in life and to anxiety. It also makes sense that long term anxiety leads to frustration and aggression that can be exploited.

Complicating this scenario is the fact that we cannot know our exact thoughts and feelings or the reasons for many of our decisions. This is because, as Timothy D. Wilson describes in his book Strangers to Ourselves:

Discovering the Adaptive Unconscious, due to the inaccessibility of the unconscious mind we have a very limited understanding of our own personalities, thoughts, and feelings and therefore also a limited understanding of our decision making. We understand things unconsciously as well as consciously, and our unconscious drives a lot of our decision making, which could explain how we can go through the multi-stage process of mass formation without being aware of it.

Nonetheless, Desmet emphasizes several important aspects of mass formation and of individuals affected by it. He states that mass formation is like hypnosis but the hypnotist (the Leader) may also be hypnotized. This, Desmet says, is an example of the banality of evil.

Those individuals who are hypnotized by mass formation exhibit the following otherwise inexplicable tendencies.

  • They believe in the Leader’s story not because it’s true but because it creates a new social bond. This bond is not between individuals but between the individual and the collective.
  • They act as if the rest of reality, apart from the story that relieves their anxiety, no longer exists.
  • They must at all times show that they submit to the interest of the collective by performing self-destructive, symbolic (ritualistic) behaviors
  • They have radical intolerance of dissenting voices
  • Destroying dissenters becomes critical to them
  • They lose interest in everything they value without noticing it, and are thereby willing to give up everything they value
  • The most educated are the most vulnerable to mass formation

Readers will likely remember the experiments of Stanley Milgram, documented in his fine book Obedience to Authority. Milgram found that a majority of people from all walks of life, men and women, can be made to obey authority figures against their own better judgment and values, even to the extent of causing great psychological and physical harm to others. As Milgram summarized,

Ordinary people, simply doing their jobs, and without any particular hostility on their part, can become agents in a terrible destructive process. Moral factors can be shunted aside with relative ease by a calculated restructuring of the informational and social field.”

Desmet emphasizes several characteristics of Leaders involved in a mass formation process and, in doing so, leaves the reader confused. He writes that Leaders who “convey the story are usually in the grip of the story as well.” He says that the reason Leaders can be so fooled by their own story is that they possess a “morbid ideological drive.” In other words, Leaders believe in the ideology but not the discourse.

This point of the book needs to be clarified and better supported. Do the Leaders bring forth the story? Are they also hypnotized by the story but simultaneously they don’t believe the discourse? This appears to be a contradiction.

This contradiction grows larger in Chapter 8, with a discussion of conspiracy. In this chapter, Desmet somewhat ironically atomizes subjects who consider the possibility of conspiracy, reducing them to “confused spectators” who engage in “conspiracy thinking.”

He writes that mass formation “should be understood in terms of mass psychology rather than malicious, intentional deception (i.e., a conspiracy).” He gives a few very simplified examples of conspiracy thinking including the fictitious Protocols of the Elders of Zion, the highly dubious QAnon diversion, and suspicions of Russian control of US elections.

The common definition of a conspiracy is “a secret plan by a group to do something unlawful or harmful.” Desmet adds that there must be a conscious intent on the part of the conspirators. In an argument we might see in a “fact-checking” article, he further claims that interpretation of phenomena in terms of a conspiracy is something of a coping mechanism that,

“reduces the enormous complexity of the phenomenon to a simple frame of reference: All anxiety is linked to one object (a group of people who intentionally deceives, the supposed ‘elite’) and thereby becomes mentally manageable… As such, in a certain sense, conspiracy thinking—the thinking that reduces all world events to one big conspiracy—fulfills the same function as mass formation. As with mass formation, conspiracy theorizing fills humans with a kind of enthusiasm.”

Of course, many people have found the opposite to be true. Suggesting that phenomena like the Covid crimes are the result of a conspiracy among rich, powerful people to achieve extraordinary gains at the expense of others is quite reasonable. That’s because the behavior and history of the rich and powerful people involved has exhibited a similar pattern throughout their lives and the results have brought them extraordinary gains. A conspiracy of the powerful is also the simplest explanation although in reality it instills greater fear instead of enthusiasm.

However, if we get past the atomization of complex phenomena like “conspiracy thinkers” and conspiracies we see the enormous complexity of those phenomena and the very reasonable response to the reality of something like the coronavirus crisis. With the coronavirus crisis, it is obvious that the stages of mass formation were intentionally brought upon the masses by the Leaders—and it was intentional.

  • Isolation and loneliness were intentionally created through lockdowns, masking, and nonsensical mandates. This was a process of dehumanization, causing anxiety.
  • Anxiety was stoked through the continuous reporting of deaths and “cases” of infection. The deaths were highly exaggerated through misuse of assignment of death, as Desmet concedes, and the “cases” were also highly exaggerated through false positive testing and mis-assignment of patients’ primary condition.
  • Frustration and aggression toward those who would not comply with mandates was driven by propaganda. Those who were not willing to submit to “the interest of the collective” were ostracized, demonized, and censored.

In the minds of many dissenters all of this was clearly part of a design implemented by those who control politicians and corporate media as well as transnational entities like the WEF and WHO.

Although these Leaders might well be hypnotized by ideology, as Desmet suggests, they have also clearly been engaging in a conspiracy that has resulted in the greatest transfer of wealth in history as well as the greatest opportunity for a small few to control the global population indefinitely. Interestingly, the one reason why the Covid crimes do not meet the definition of a conspiracy is that they have largely not been secret. Through published plans, exercises, and interviews of the Leaders involved, the agenda of which the coronavirus crisis is a part has been transparent.

Desmet’s treatment of conspiracy reminds us of a similar approach taken by Naomi Klein in her otherwise excellent book, The Shock Doctrine. After going to great lengths to describe what can only be called a long-term conspiracy to economically exploit (and torture) a string of entire nations, Klein adds a small disclaimer section near the end of the book, saying, “No conspiracies required.”

It’s a bit like reading the Bible and struggling through a new section at the end claiming, “No deities required.” Both Klein and Desmet may be experiencing psychological dissonance when it comes to the idea of conspiracy, or it could be that they were asked to include such disclaimers as a condition for publication.

In terms of the Leaders intent, some of Desmet’s misunderstanding and contradictions on this point can be resolved through a better understanding of history. For example, a long-term conspiracy to terrorize the population of Europe was designed and implemented in Desmet’s own country of Belgium.

Operation Gladio is but one example of many throughout history in which secret, intentional plans to cause harm and deceive the public have been planned or carried out by Leaders. Desmet cites an example himself when he writes of the Holocaust:

“At a certain level there was also an intentional plan” behind the Nazi crimes. “There were approximately five people who neatly and systematically prepared the entire Holocaust destruction apparatus and they managed to make all the rest of the system cooperate with it in total blindness for a long time.”

Therefore, it is difficult to see the development of mass formation in the context of the coronavirus crisis as being without intent. And we must let authors like Desmet and Klein find their own way in correcting contradictions and reaching a better understanding.

Part III – Beyond the Mechanistic Worldview

In the book’s final section, Desmet returns to Chaos Theory and to an assessment of how science and spirituality (or religion) can coexist as part of a less atomized way of moving forward.

He states that Quantum Mechanics and Chaos Theory “initiate the reverse momentum necessary to move away from the dead mechanistic worldview and (back) toward vitalism.” Citing physicist Max Planck, he writes, “Science eventually arrives where religion once started, in a personal contact with the Unnameable.”

This reference, as well as other parts of Desmet’s book, is reflective of the ancient wisdom found in Lao Tzu’s Tao Te Ching. The mechanistic worldview is described there in the first chapter where it says, “name is the mother of the ten thousand things.”

Although this naming is natural, we are later warned, “when names proliferate, it’s time to stop. If you know when to stop, you’re in no danger.”

The inability to stop naming (i.e. objectifying) leads to anxiety driven by oversimplification and false comparisons, the atomization and targeting of people, and a general misunderstanding of the world within and around us. Moreover, excessive objectifying is an insult to the basic truth that “being and non-being arise together” perpetually.

In terms of the cure, referring to anthropologist Claude Levi-Strauss, Desmet proposes that we must develop “a science that does not allow itself to be blinded by mechanistic ideology but which pushes the rational analysis of reality to the maximum, to the absolute limit of the rationally knowable, to the point where reason transcends itself.”

Desmet further writes that,

The antidote to totalitarianism lies in an attitude to life that is not blinded by a rational understanding of superficial manifestations of life and that seeks to be connected with the principles and figures that are hidden beneath those manifestations.” He calls for humanity to “vibrate in resonance with ultimate knowledge.”

These recommendations are, by nature of the problem, a bit ethereal and a follow-up volume that describes practical ways to correct the mechanistic worldview is needed.  Perhaps a closer study of the Tao Te Ching would be helpful in this regard. It recommends to “abide in the kernel not the husk, in the fruit not the flower.”

In interviews, Desmet has called for dissenters to keep speaking out and he promotes non-violent resistance. He proposes that a parallel structure can be developed to oppose the state, although again without providing detail on how that might occur.

In summary, it is essential that people begin learning more about their own psychology and The Psychology of Totalitarianism is an important contribution to that effort. Considering our limited access to the unconscious, and the fact that many of us will obey authority to devastating ends, understanding the psychological processes that lead to totalitarianism is a vital need.

In this important book, Desmet describes the problem of a mechanistic worldview and how that leads to misunderstandings and superficiality in human thought. He also describes the process of mass formation and how this process is reflected in the ongoing coronavirus crisis. The processes Desmet describes may not be entirely fleshed out but discussion of them is likely to lead to a more truthful representation of psychological risks that continue to be exploited.

Understanding our own psychology is crucial at this time because it is being used against us in many ways. Through an extraordinary rise in propaganda and deception, and an extraordinary rise in self-deception, people are being manipulated toward ends that are entirely against their own interests. Anticipating that the evolution of manipulative powers has not reached its peak, it becomes imperative that humanity learn about its own psychology as quickly as possible.

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David Hughes
David Hughes
Mar 19, 2023 9:17 PM

Hughes/Broudy/Kyrie latest on Desmet and his Irish proponent, John Waters: https://constitution.solari.com/global-class-war-and-the-politics-of-a-hatchet-job-a-reply-to-john-waters/

Jeff the Beast
Jeff the Beast
Feb 8, 2023 7:08 PM

Read it and understand it because it is exactly what applies to you antivaxxer, MAGA, rashist and other morons!!!

TomUSA
TomUSA
Feb 7, 2023 2:55 PM

Perhaps we have arrived at the point where Humanity must achieve a higher level of ” being ” to survive, a destiny many of us believe is in store. Such a boost in our collective state will absolutely empower us, and must be conferred. Such empowerment will not be conferred without the wisdom to use it for the benevolence of all; wisdom flouts the machinations of the mind and is accessible only through Thoughtless Awareness. In a quote attributed to Lao Tze ” To the one whose mind is silent the whole universe surrenders “. Those who wish to reach that state need only find another who’s achieved it and knows how to bring others to it ( a subset ), all other requirements now obsolete – so will that state also be conferred. A few million have reached it ( if briefly ) and many times that may be… Read more »

Thiekbalj
Thiekbalj
Feb 7, 2023 1:01 PM

Psychology and it’s authoritarian cousin psychiatry have only maimed and distorted the human experience (RD Laing, Thomas Szasz). The narrow ‘personalistic’ salvation through ones suffering and afflictions, subjectivism as the apha & omega of human experience, and the quietism and accommodationist perspective psychology induces is very beneficial for authority. Humans are made for a broader perspective as we are the quintessence that can bring all the other elements together (eg the gardener making compost). Psychology/psychiatry and the DSM manual diagnosis ‘mental health’ culture we live in is comparable in influence to the commanding time of early modern Euro Christianity (inquisition, indulgences, etc), but without any of the benefits of the (flawed, coercive) structure and community that the Church provided. At that time, the Church was ill suited to provide explanations for the ‘way things were’—psychology is even less so. As the legendary Off G commenter Maxwell says, these analyses without… Read more »

Woowoo
Woowoo
Feb 10, 2023 5:25 PM
Reply to  Thiekbalj

RD Laing is brilliant.

J J Parks
J J Parks
Feb 7, 2023 8:35 AM

I think Desmet is correct to focus on the importance of the understanding of the self and to view outside influences with a certain skepticism or even disregard. And this means all outside influence from the UN/WHO/WEF to popular influencers like Neil Oliver or Jordon P. (People are still then looking for ‘leadership’). Why does this author for example need direction as to how to begin building a parallel universe? The point being, the strongest foundation is knowing thy self, finding your own voice. Everything else is white noise.

Paul Gosselin
Paul Gosselin
Feb 7, 2023 4:20 AM

My review of Desmet’s book is here:

https://www.samizdat.qc.ca/cosmos/sc_soc/sc_po/PoT_PG.htm

Here is a peek: While Desmet does provide useful information about the totalitarian mindset of the Covid elites and some of the factors that produce this mindset, in the 2nd half he attempts to convince his readers that the ‘solution’ to this crisis is a new religion (no he does NOT use this specific term to describe his views). Generally speaking, I do NOT think Desmet is someone to be trusted…

Thiekbalj
Thiekbalj
Feb 11, 2023 5:33 PM
Reply to  Paul Gosselin

Great essay! Looking forward to reading more of your articles.

Howard
Howard
Feb 6, 2023 3:30 PM

I’m racked by anxiety for I stand poised on the horns of a dilemma: does The Psychology of Totalitarianism make very little sense…or no sense at all. Oh the pain, the pain!

(Or is totalitarianism merely a phase? An inevitable step of human development? Humanity starts out free and self-sufficient; then gradually works its way to enslavement and dependence. Then throws off the yoke and begins the process all over again.)

Annie
Annie
Feb 6, 2023 2:58 PM

I’ve been watching listening these past 3 years and I can tell you alot of people that have had the shot have woken up to the bull.

Kurt
Kurt
Feb 6, 2023 11:37 AM

As regards totalitarianism, the ultimate problem is collectivism, namely elevating the well-being of the collective above the well-being of the individual. Once an ideology to that effect is adopted, it can be easily hijacked by whatever motherfucker aspires to rule the world at the moment. There are both individual and collectivist aspects to human life, and there is nothing wrong with the individual contributing to matters of common interest or helping weaker members of society. There are collectivist concepts that aim to do that, and they might appear noble. The problem is that any collectivist action must come from the individual, as opposed to being imposed top-down. When that happens, you can pretty much count on things being fucked. It’s just a matter of time before some opportunist takes advantage of whatever it is, however virtuous it is. In the past, totalitarianism was imposed through economy (communism), nationalism, and other… Read more »

ZenPriest
ZenPriest
Feb 7, 2023 2:49 PM
Reply to  Kurt

The antidote is Christ.

NickM
NickM
Feb 6, 2023 7:18 AM

“The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist. — ”Hannah Arendt. As usual, Hannah Arendt has the last word on totalitarianism. And that last word includes religious totalitarianism: “those ideal sheeple for whom the distinction between true and false no longer exists”. There is too much science-bashing in this review (and in OffG BTL nowadays), This science-bashing is as superficial as the current Russian-bashing. Knee-jerk science-bashing is a mere physiological reaction against the fact that nowadays the poor, confused, humble sheeple can be misled through their current belief in Science instead of their previous belief in God. In more profound philosophical treatises such as Platonism, Buddhism, Christianity, Islam and Pantheism one reads that Science and God are not antagonistic but symbiotic. “The hungry… Read more »

Sam - Admin2
Admin
Sam - Admin2
Feb 6, 2023 9:39 AM
Reply to  NickM

A great comment, one I agree with very much. Thanks for this. A2

Kurt
Kurt
Feb 6, 2023 1:19 PM
Reply to  NickM

You’re mistaking science for technology. Science as a process of understanding the world is okay, insofar as it doesn’t become a dogma, its limits are recognized, and insofar as it’s acknowledged that it’s not to only way of understanding things. Technologies are okay too, insofar as they’re employed in areas where they can be beneficial, do not atrophy people’s natural abilities, and don’t do more harm than good. What people object is the indiscriminate, injudicious application of technologies to just about every aspect of human existence and the fact that doing so, in turn, detrimentally affect people’s thinking patterns in a mechanistic way, imposes systems and schemes on their existence, and eradicates or renders unimportant human qualities that can’t be captured through science, technology. Stuff like happiness, love, perseverance, dedication, joy, etcetera can’t be measured, captured, dissected and analyzed, possessed by science or technology. Yet, they’re of key importance in… Read more »

Ravensara
Ravensara
Feb 7, 2023 12:56 AM
Reply to  Kurt

Interestingly, Radio 4 interviewed a philosopher today who pointed out the inherent atrophy to people’s very minds that can ‘evolve’ as people depend on tech/safety governance etc. Although I’m only a reasonably adept navigator – I refuse SatNav for this very reason. If a Taxi driver’s brain is discernibly different from the average, then eventually a SatNavver may have trouble walking from A to B without Tech help.

Better to keep your wits about you.

To extrapolate… Talking devices in the kitchen = shrinking brain on how to cook. Of-organisations micromanaging business, education etc. means teachers don’t think.

Right now I feel annoyed and amused at how insidious all this is – how many generations before it’s just accepted? Don’t answer that – I have kids.

A Stranger from Elea
A Stranger from Elea
Feb 6, 2023 3:34 PM
Reply to  NickM

Hmm, you know, whenever telepathy is mentioned in pop culture there’s this idea that it works outside of the laws of physics, not that that proves anything, but I find it curious, I mean, according to the theory of relativity there is no such thing as the same moment in different places, so how then could there be instantaneous transmissions of thoughts between people or, well, revelations from God?

In other words: science as the pursuit of physical truth may not interfere with religion, but specific scientific theories very well might.

Of course, material determinism does interfere with free will and all religions that claim that there is free will. Another example.

Ravensara
Ravensara
Feb 7, 2023 1:00 AM

I don’t think telepathy is well understood. You get me?

Anyway, today it’d just be reduced to a ‘mind text’. I reckon that happens.

A Stranger from Elea
A Stranger from Elea
Feb 7, 2023 11:03 AM
Reply to  Ravensara

Well, do you mean that there are only contradictions between explicit descriptions of phenomena? That is not exactly true. Of course, I wouldn’t discard a model because of some unclear objections. On the other hand: Clear models can have consequences outside of their intended application, and I would as a practical rule ignore them in such cases and study the phenomena in question as if they didn’t exist.

Many examples for this inside physics concerning the nature of light. Practical experience should never be overlooked because of a model.

Howard
Howard
Feb 6, 2023 3:53 PM
Reply to  NickM

At the risk of hubris, I consider myself one of the premier science bashers commenting in this forum.

The idea behind science is flawed: that everything can be discerned by following a few basic rules of evidence. “Basic” is a word that should be excised from every human language. There are no basics.

Reality is more like Chinese Boxes than anything else: a thing inside another thing inside another, unto infinity. The ultimate “box” will never be found because, like the Big Bang, it only exists for a split-second before it disappears into its opposite.

Without religion, there would be no modern science: its basic rules of evidence are akin to Aquinas’ five “proofs” for the existence of God, with slight variations.

Matter, unlike the supernatural, can never be fully known or fully defined. Because the human mind did not create and therefore cannot control matter.

Sam - Admin2
Admin
Sam - Admin2
Feb 6, 2023 6:37 PM
Reply to  Howard

Unlike the supernatural? Intriguing thing to slip in there.

Ravensara
Ravensara
Feb 7, 2023 1:07 AM
Reply to  Howard

The ways in which science is flawed: like most problematic human endeavours it can be limited, misguided, misleading or plain erroneous.

On the other hand it can be beautiful, revelatory, knowledge building within limits and useful/guiding.

Propaganda can manipulate science – saying it guides when it doesn’t, etc.

wardropper
wardropper
Feb 6, 2023 12:57 AM

To hell with ‘mass formation’.
It might as well be ‘synchronized swimming’.

Just a handy phrase to describe people operating as a group – as if that was something new…

The formation of a group is of no importance.
It’s what the group does which matters.

Ravensara
Ravensara
Feb 7, 2023 1:14 AM
Reply to  wardropper

Something weird went on back then – still now – although this feels more like a sticky fall out after things have gone wrong. Something weird does go on via propaganda – few people resist. Is that mass formation? Seems true from history no?

Perhaps mass formation really means ‘Isn’t it weird that if a powerful authority tells a load of people what to think and do, 70 odd % of them do it?’

Howard
Howard
Feb 7, 2023 11:02 PM
Reply to  Ravensara

Except, in this case, the “powerful authority” was neither political nor medical. It was the TV! The TV told ’em to do it. Again and again and again.

They might laugh at a Trump or a Biden or a Johnson or a Fauci or a Hancock – but laugh at their Idiot Box? Never!

niko
niko
Feb 5, 2023 9:07 PM

I mean, are we just like bored, spoiled children… …who’ve just been lying in the bathtub all day… …just playing with their plastic duck… …and now they’re just thinking, “Well, what can I do?” Okay. Yes. We’re bored. We’re all bored now. But has it every occurred to you, Wally, that the process… …that creates this boredom that we see in the world now… …may very well be a self-perpetuating, unconscious form of brainwashing… …created by a world totalitarian government based on money… …and that all of this is much more dangerous than one thinks… …and it’s not just a question of individual survival, Wally… …but that somebody who’s bored is asleep… …and somebody who’s asleep will not say no? —– See, I think it’s quite possible that the 1960s… …represented the last burst of the human being before he was extinguished… …and that this is the beginning of the… Read more »

el Gallinazo
el Gallinazo
Feb 5, 2023 8:31 PM

My only question regarding Chomsky and Klein, and I admired the insights of both at some points in my life though not for quite a while, is whether they were corrupt when they published the main body of their work, or whether they became corrupt after they gained substantial recognition. To say that the WHO, Gates, et. al. along with “elected” world leaders are not guilty of criminal conspiracies because they are surprisingly open about some of their agendas simply does not hold water. While they were open about some of the end goals to their agenda, they were certainly not open regarding the means. For example, did they come out and say that SARS-CoV-2 and the rt-PCR test were total fabrications in order to depopulate and maim the world’s population through the injection of a vicious poison into their bodies? Or that the US government paid hospitals billions of… Read more »

James
James
Feb 6, 2023 9:37 AM
Reply to  el Gallinazo

Your comments reminded me of my previous doubts I had concerning Desmet’s sincerity. As I recall seeing him appearing in interviews, in the US 2021 or 22. At a time (up to present day) that non-US citizens and or permanent residents traveling there had to show proof of having taken the quackzine. If he were so much against all that had happened, then he could not done that. Just a tiny detail that, to me, speaks volumes. I too am also an ex-Naomi Klein/Chomsky fan. What phonies, those two.

TomUSA
TomUSA
Feb 8, 2023 3:25 PM
Reply to  James

FYI: Mattias Desmet emphatically denied taking the Vaxx in his Highwire in-person interview; he was asked that very question. He said there are ways to avoid it while gaining entry but did not divulge any, a considerate move as such loopholes would be slammed shut if revealed.

Binra
Binra
Feb 5, 2023 5:47 PM

Whatever the collective factions to forms as it’s reality, I shall make my decisions as to what to accept and for what purpose I accept it. But while I don’t engage psychology as such because it predicates making real the mind it then presumes to study, diagnose or fix from an intellectually presumed point of dissociation set over its object of study – It remains true to me that we each are a creative agency or mind relative to our own experience or perceptions and responses to a world that is clearly NOT something exclusively outside the mind that relates through its conditioning. For perception and memory are selective – even if mass-beliefs set narrative assertions as beyond questioning (for fear of penalty). Insofar as I might adopt his terms, I suggest ‘mass formation’ runs the normalisation of hate set in division as a sense of separate self masked and… Read more »

niko
niko
Feb 5, 2023 5:44 PM

It’s just as if a man were wounded with an arrow thickly smeared with poison. His friends & companions, kinsmen & relatives would provide him with a surgeon, and the man would say, ‘I won’t have this arrow removed until I know whether the man who wounded me was a noble warrior, a priest, a merchant, or a worker.’ He would say, ‘I won’t have this arrow removed until I know the given name & clan name of the man who wounded me… until I know whether he was tall, medium, or short… until I know whether he was dark, ruddy-brown, or golden-colored… until I know his home village, town, or city… until I know whether the bow with which I was wounded was a long bow or a crossbow… until I know whether the bowstring with which I was wounded was fiber, bamboo threads, sinew, hemp, or bark… until… Read more »

Paul Vonharnish
Paul Vonharnish
Feb 5, 2023 4:02 PM

I (thankfully) haven’t bored myself with the reading of Desmet’s book… Mr. Ryan does an excellent job of presenting the mental meanderings of an over-educated and hopelessly lost Mattias Desmet. How do these psychological masturbater’s get from one end of a room to the other? I don’t spend six months analyzing how I feel about my chair, or what’s motivating the other end of the room… I just get out of my chair and walk across the goddamn room. Mr. Ryan closes the article with this spectacle: “Anticipating that the evolution of manipulative powers has not reached its peak, it becomes imperative that humanity learn about its own psychology as quickly as possible.” [End quote] The elderly (and young) are being euthanized. Millions of persons have been injected with an mRNA cocktail that mutilates their genome, for life. Young adults are being intentionally sterilized. Athletes are dropping dead from heart… Read more »

Posthumous
Posthumous
Feb 5, 2023 2:12 PM

Thanks, Kevin, for a balanced review. There are many good things in Desmet’s book that should not be rejected because he gets the conspiracy/intentionality piece wrong. With regard to your question, “Are [the Leaders] also hypnotized by the story but simultaneously they don’t believe the discourse? This appears to be a contradiction,” I guess this might be called classic DoubleThink. Orwell never did quite sell me on that. I believe that the Conspirators know they are lying and manipulating, but they really do believe in their ideology that reducing the world’s population is a good thing to do. The Great Flood is probably their favorite part of the Bible. Sometimes mass genocide is A-okay. This is not really DoubleThink. It’s just narcissistic evil, disregard for the feelings and worth of fellow human beings. About the mechanism versus vitalism/spiritualism argument, I find Desmet to be terribly naive on this point. The… Read more »

Edwige
Edwige
Feb 5, 2023 2:05 PM

U.S. Mockingbird media have been getting hysterical about a Chinese balloon. The strongly-evidenced surveillance in the country by a certain other country got slightly different coverage:
https://www.mintpressnews.com/trump-brushes-israel-dragnet-spying-of-d-c-under-the-rug/261913/

SeamusPadraig
SeamusPadraig
Feb 5, 2023 8:03 PM
Reply to  Edwige

The whole thing reminds me of an old song from the 80s by Nena. Is that where the ‘elites’ get their ideas? From old German synth-pop songs?

siamdave
siamdave
Feb 5, 2023 1:04 PM

me, I think this is all deep state garbage. there’s nothing new about getting a large majority of people to believe something pretty clearly untrue to the actual engaged and thinking mind – go back 100 years to the US propagandizing Americans into getting into WW1 mere months after they elected a president who promised he would NOT take them into WW2 – or the lies about the great evil of communism following the Russian revoluion, lies which have continued and expanded into utterly stupid hysteria in the ensuing 100 years, note current lies etc about Putin and Ukraine – unquestioning acceptance to today in the lies about the causes of the ‘great crash’; of 29 and the following depression, or the lies about the start of WWII, or the Korean war, or any of the US bombings and invasions of 3rd world countries since, the JFK takedown by the… Read more »

George Mc
George Mc
Feb 5, 2023 12:55 PM

I know about criticisms against Desmet e.g. on the “unlimited hangout” site and I remain wary. I suppose many will tell me to read Desmet himself and make up my own mind – though I get the impression of a load of psychobabble type stuff which repels me. However on looking at his substack I see this: https://mattiasdesmet.substack.com/p/some-notes-on-the-tragicomic-attempt “When do we know for sure if something is correct? That is a difficult question. In the end, we remain dependent on faith for most things. And it’s no different for those of us who rely on what’s published in peer-reviewed academic journals. In fact, most results are not reproducible by third parties. But the press was mainly concerned with this: I had spoken to Alex Jones—a condemned conspiracy theorist. For shame. There are certain people you shouldn’t talk to: anti-vaxxers, conspiracy theorists, climate deniers, virus deniers, extreme right-wingers, racists, sexists, and… Read more »

Lost in a dark wood
Lost in a dark wood
Feb 5, 2023 1:30 PM
Reply to  George Mc

I had spoken to Alex Jones

It’s a manufactured hall of mirrors. We are supposed to think controlled opposition Alex Jones is credible because he’s been ridiculed and condemned by the official establishment. And now we’re supposed to think Desmet is credible because he spoke to Alex Jones. It’s all staged theatrics – a play within a play within a play.

Three-Clown Circus

Andrew Neil, David Aaronovitch and Alex Jones
Uploaded: Jun 9, 2013

siamdave
siamdave
Feb 5, 2023 1:49 PM
Reply to  George Mc

so desment says ‘In the end, we remain dependent on faith for most things.’- only the religious gang, me (and most other intelligent people I imagine) rely on our own intellectual capacities, and life experience, to decide what to believe. ‘faith’ is for people who don’t have a lot of actual cognitive ability, it seems to me. and as for ‘the more extreme the position the more we should talk to them’ – have to disagree again – the extremists are the ones whose ideas are not going to change, a dangerous bunch of fanatics who it’s a waste of time talking to – you need to be careful, I think, with definitions – I, for example, would undoubtedly be labeled an ‘extremist’ by the covid fanatics (who are extremists of course), but I’m a fairly middle of the road guy – I see or hear something that sounds like… Read more »

George Mc
George Mc
Feb 5, 2023 3:12 PM
Reply to  siamdave

By “extremist” I assume he meant those branded extreme. Bearing in mind that “the reasonable” is what is called such by the media.

Howard
Howard
Feb 6, 2023 4:10 PM
Reply to  George Mc

I wonder – silly me! – how many words Mr. Desmet had to remove from his mouth after being interviewed by Alex Jones.

Anyway, to me that’s Alex Jones’ overriding fault: he won’t let his guests say anything; he’s too busy telling them what they’re saying. That’s even worse than being controlled opposition.

obsean
obsean
Feb 5, 2023 12:47 PM

Apparently two thirds of a randomly picked section of the public, i think about 750, believed that Abiogenesis has been achieved in a lab by scientists.One third also believed that scientists had created a small living frog from ‘nothing’.We know the answer, but its a good example of how Atheism has been indoctrinated within standard education
https://www.ukcolumn.org/video/we-need-science-not-soup-dr-james-tour-on-origin-of-life-research

@lienChrist
@lienChrist
Feb 5, 2023 11:28 AM

Warnings of imminent nuclear disaster – 90 seconds to midnight on the Doomsday Clock, can existentially make you aware of our apocalyptic reality as it really is. Life is always fragile, everybody, every moment is potentially always in danger. Just in ordinary times you are fast asleep, so you don’t see it, you go on dreaming, imagining beautiful things for the coming days, for the future. But in moments when nuclear danger is imminent then suddenly you become aware that there may be no future, no tomorrow, that this is the only moment you have got. So times of disaster are very revealing. They don’t bring anything new into the world, they simply make you aware of the world as it is, they wake you up. If you don’t understand this, you can go mad, if you understand this, you can become awakened. What is happening to humanity? It is… Read more »

Paul Vonharnish
Paul Vonharnish
Feb 5, 2023 2:26 PM
Reply to  @lienChrist

Hello @lienChrist: I read your entire comment. There are quite a number of “truths” in what you’ve stated. However, many of these “truths” are your own personal truths. I don’t have a problem with that, because my “truths” are my own, and I have no interest in altering your’s. This quote rather defines one of my most artful conclusions: >

“The collective is so rotten that it will be an act of compassion to destroy it.”

Yup…

Howard
Howard
Feb 6, 2023 4:13 PM

Sort of like the bit in Rocky Horror Picture Show where Frankenfurter brutally kills Eddie and then tells Rocky “It was a mercy killing!”

red lester
red lester
Feb 5, 2023 11:21 AM

Medicine failed in it’s oath – Do no harm – when it became obsessed with statistics. John Snow [the sanctified medic, not the righteous tv guru] is the problem. The concept that analysing individuals is hard and error prone, so we should just total up results and average the result to decide for everyone, is the worst sort of communism. And I am a fan of social democracy in principle. Here are the 20+ jabs that clownworld believes in:

https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/vaccinations/nhs-vaccinations-and-when-to-have-them/

Note you would have 100+ if you had an annual flu jab

Sofia
Sofia
Feb 5, 2023 10:53 AM

When I went to one of the huge London demos I met what I assume was probably a 77th brigader or someone associated with the security forces. He was with his young family. His wife worked in the nhs as a pharmacist and he had two beautiful little girls. They were a couple perhaps in their mid 30s. It was towards the end of the demo. It was at a restaurant just by Trafalgar Square. I sat down and had a drink and a snack. They were sat at the next table. I had my home made placard with me with the words ‘LOVE NOT FEAR’ that my daughter and her boyfriend had helped me make. I don’t think I will ever forget that demo or the music one that took place the following day. Not just because of the size of them but because of the incredible energy and… Read more »

Placental_Mammal
Placental_Mammal
Feb 5, 2023 10:45 AM
les online
les online
Feb 5, 2023 10:35 AM

Former Australian Prime Minister, Scott Morrison, had himself appointed as co-minister to a number of Ministrries especially the Department for Health…He was no slouch…He realised that the minister in charge of the health portfolio, who had the power to declare “a pandemic”, had been granted the power by parliament to become a legal dictator…Scott must have realised the health minister might use the power to depose him, by declaring him ‘infected’ and thus needing (indefinite) quarantining… Similarly in the USA. Congress has, over the years, given the Secretary of Human Health & Services (HHS) legally unassailable powers to declare ‘pandemics’, and exercise powers that were not Congresses to give to the HHS… ‘…..how did Congress “give away a power that they didnt have the power to give away ? Congress doesnt have the power to dissolve itself. Congress does not have the power to dissolve the federal judiciary under the… Read more »

A German
A German
Feb 5, 2023 10:27 AM

I know Desmets thoughts only from far and didn’t read his book.

Honest effort to really better and better understand, what the things are and how it is connected without ANY wishful thinking and without ANY false Messiases seems to me the only way to come to truth. As I read somethimes anywhere
Truth will set you free, but before you reach this freedom, truth will hurt you!
If this is, what Desmet means, then I think he’s right.

Edwige
Edwige
Feb 5, 2023 10:01 AM

Why would anyone negotiate with NATO when they openly admit that past agreements were not made in good faith?….

Brianborou
Brianborou
Feb 5, 2023 12:16 PM
Reply to  Edwige

As the indigenous people’s of North America apparently stated White Man speaks with forked tongue or in Scottish parlance they would steal the milk out of your tea !

Lost in a dark wood
Lost in a dark wood
Feb 5, 2023 1:58 PM
Reply to  Edwige

A) NATO were not party to the MINSK agreement – being the title of the video.

B) The invasion and capitulation of Ukraine had been planned by Kissinger for over a decade.

C) German energy dependence on Russian gas was all part of the plan.

D) The defining moment for modern Ukraine is the 1991 referendum

E) The defining agreement is Budapest 1994

Lost in a dark wood
Lost in a dark wood
Feb 5, 2023 3:22 PM
Reply to  Edwige

F) The Putin regime interfered in Ukrainian politics prior to 2014 by transferring “several billion dollars” to Kolomoisky. — https://genius.com/Vladimir-putin-press-conference-on-the-situation-in-ukraine-annotated Press conference on the situation in Ukraine President Vladimir Putin of Russia takes questions from the Russian media on March 3, 2014, following Russian military action in Ukraine’s Crimean Peninsula. Released: March 4, 2014 For example, Mr Kolomoisky was appointed Governor of Dnepropetrovsk. This is a unique crook. He even managed to cheat our oligarch Roman Abramovich two or three years ago. Scammed him, as our intellectuals like to say. They signed some deal, Abramovich transferred several billion dollars, while this guy never delivered and pocketed the money. When I asked him [Abramovich]: “Why did you do it?” he said: “I never thought this was possible.” I do not know, by the way, if he ever got his money back and if the deal was closed. But this really did… Read more »

Ananda
Ananda
Feb 5, 2023 9:11 AM

With his manufactured number one hit of the internet woke alt right tour of duty of the clown circuit.
I am surprised Desmet has had time to write a book. (ghost writers do come in handy)
Has it made New York Best Sellers list yet.?
Has Cia tuc tuk fox666 given him a guest slot.?
You can keep your internet manufactured woke psychology…
as the last internet manufactured alt right woke psychologist Patterson lead you all down the garden path.
Like we couldn’t see that happening.
 💤 
Exact same template.

Shola
Shola
Feb 5, 2023 12:54 PM
Reply to  Ananda

You’re part of the asleep alt left of centre cult.

We need to ensure the asleep alt left of centre people like you are woken up and helped to become woke alt right of centre so that we can make everything good again.

les online
les online
Feb 5, 2023 8:36 AM

“Psychopath” was Word of The Year last year.
“Narcissist” is making a good run to be Word
of The Year this year…

Everyone is a psychologist these days ?

Shola
Shola
Feb 5, 2023 12:54 PM
Reply to  les online

‘Parasite’ is the word of our time.

Penelope
Penelope
Feb 5, 2023 5:06 AM

Is it at all possible that some of the people who are being called victims of mass formation have become more passive and less flexible mentally as a direct consequence of being vaxxed? I mean, that stuff crosses the brain barrier and probably has SOME effect, no?

RELATED: Does anybody have that clip of Bill Gates presenting to a group about a chemical that could alter the minds of radical Islamists to get rid of their “God-obsession”? –something like that. Gates was addressing a group of CIA if I remember right.

L B
L B
Feb 5, 2023 7:47 AM
Reply to  Penelope

Not Bill Gates, if you view a decent quality version of the video it is clearly not Gates plus the guy in the video is right handed where Gates is left handed.

Paul Vonharnish
Paul Vonharnish
Feb 5, 2023 2:45 PM
Reply to  L B

See my above reply to Penelope.

Paul Vonharnish
Paul Vonharnish
Feb 5, 2023 2:43 PM
Reply to  Penelope

Hello Penelope: You might be referring to this video as recorded by the Dept of Defense at the Pentagon. : >

FunVax: Fundamentalist Vaccine

Alert! DOD’s Virus Eliminates Spirituality | thx MrTakeBackAmerica – YouTube

Also this report from the Quarterly FunVax Review dated 6/01/ 2007

http://www.wanttoknow.info/health/funvax070601.pdf

Notice the “airborne” delivery systems mentioned in the brief…

Penelope
Penelope
Feb 5, 2023 10:44 PM

Thanks Paul. Surely the attack of such a blunt instrument would be unable to confine itself merely to religiosity. One wd expect spillover against love, compassion, empathy– and ideals like freedom & justice.

I’m still looking at the 2nd link.

Btw thanks for Klinghardt; quite detailed– what a lot he knows about herbal alternatives.

Paul Vonharnish
Paul Vonharnish
Feb 7, 2023 4:32 PM
Reply to  Penelope

Heh… ‘love, compassion, empathy’ work just fine in the bedroom. Other places? Not so much…

Penelope
Penelope
Feb 5, 2023 4:59 AM

Since Damar had his collapse, there’s been another NFL collapse, but not during a game. Now one’s happened during the PGA Golf Tour:

‘PEBBLE BEACH, Calif. — A caddie for an amateur player collapsed during the second round of the PGA Tour’s AT&T Pebble Beach Pro-Am on Friday and received CPR before being taken to a nearby hospital.
Gary Young, the PGA Tour’s chief referee, said a spectator began the CPR and an officer from Cal Fire took over from there.
After the caddie was stretchered into an ambulance while still receiving CPR, players convened with a PGA Tour rules official.

Johnny
Johnny
Feb 5, 2023 1:42 AM

Can’t believe the ‘bad guys’:

‘China has insisted the balloon was just an errant civilian airship used mainly for meteorological research that went off course due to winds and had only limited “self-steering” capabilities.
The United States says it was a Chinese spy balloon, without a doubt.‘

With more than 800 military bases spread across the planet, there’s no doubt who the bad guys are.

Clive Williams
Clive Williams
Feb 5, 2023 4:59 AM
Reply to  Johnny

Comically political due to global circulating satellites under an outer permanent Web.

Penelope
Penelope
Feb 5, 2023 10:47 PM
Reply to  Clive Williams

Yes, Clive, what a hoot: Your baloon is spying. Never mind all those satellites.

S Cooper
S Cooper
Feb 5, 2023 9:09 AM
Reply to  Johnny

mgeo
mgeo
Feb 6, 2023 5:31 AM
Reply to  Johnny

During World War 2, a few (of many launched) Jap balloons carrying bombs reached the US West coast, but did no harm.

T Greenfield
T Greenfield
Feb 5, 2023 1:40 AM

One word: overthinking. When a house is on fire you don’t discuss the quality of the water. (my own saying) Meaning too much academic talk is no good, it will not actually and practically solve any real problem at hand.  And Desmet? Is trying to avoid the ‘difficult’ issues. Had he addressed them properly he wouldn’t have been invited by any mainstream media outlet. I’ve followed him casually for some time and he’ll join in wherever he’s welcome, it seems. Including the established press in my country (The Netherlands).  That, to me, is a sure sign. His own story, his own take on the whole affair, is considered ‘safe enough’ by those who defend the Consensus incessantly and mercilessly. And certain dissidents, who perhaps find the truth of the matter too harsh to swallow, follow the man like he’s the new prophet of the Great Understanding. While the Great Reset… Read more »

Brigitte
Brigitte
Feb 7, 2023 3:05 AM
Reply to  T Greenfield

Dr. David Hughes, Professor of International Relations (University of Lincoln), could enlighten Desmet, yet another psychologist who seems to need more direction and therapy than he can provide, as is often the case.

T Greenfield
T Greenfield
Feb 7, 2023 4:06 PM
Reply to  Brigitte

Enough of those scholars? Who are trying to analyse what’s already obvious to many after three years of this mess? That’s what I think.

Paul Prichard
Paul Prichard
Feb 4, 2023 11:47 PM

Your alternative update on #COVID19 for 2023-02-04. #mRNA gene therapy – Moderna et al admitted it. Masks Do Nothing Stop CV & They Knew It All Along (blog, gab, tweet).

Clive Williams
Clive Williams
Feb 5, 2023 7:49 AM
Reply to  Paul Prichard

You obviously didnt.

jmNZ
jmNZ
Feb 4, 2023 11:21 PM

This is very largely drawn from the pioneering “Political Ponerology” by Andrew Lobaczewski. First written in harrowing circumstances in the wake of WW2, it was retrieved and republished in 2006, 2nd edition 2022.

Human values
Human values
Feb 5, 2023 12:39 AM
Reply to  jmNZ
Johnny
Johnny
Feb 5, 2023 1:47 AM
Reply to  jmNZ

It’s easy to spot evil.
It wears a suit.
And a smug smile.

ThinkTwice
ThinkTwice
Feb 4, 2023 11:08 PM

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Human values
Human values
Feb 5, 2023 12:45 AM
Reply to  ThinkTwice

And yet, despite numbers, truth wins.

Paul Watson
Paul Watson
Feb 5, 2023 8:24 AM
Reply to  ThinkTwice

Sad but satisfying.

Ananda
Ananda
Feb 5, 2023 9:14 AM
Reply to  ThinkTwice

Like the few who saw Trump and the populist leaders as frauds

ThinkTwice
ThinkTwice
Feb 4, 2023 11:04 PM

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Johnny
Johnny
Feb 5, 2023 1:58 AM
Reply to  ThinkTwice

Circa 1950s-60s:
‘Australia rides on the sheep’s back’
(Long made quaint by the mining boom and polyester fibres).
Judging from that diagram Big pHarmer now rides on the Sheeple’s back.

Clive Williams
Clive Williams
Feb 5, 2023 7:59 AM
Reply to  ThinkTwice

Many of those people are in Europe. Where do you live? Imagine a world of constant moving Populations. Not something as a medical and unsciemtic convient map.
Its unrealistic and propagandist imo.

covidiot
covidiot
Feb 7, 2023 2:40 PM
Reply to  Clive Williams

you don’t have an opinion, you’re a CIA disinfo bot.

mgeo
mgeo
Feb 6, 2023 6:09 AM
Reply to  ThinkTwice

WHO and others are trying to rectify that by donating jabs. Fortunately, some countries there bar them. Even if they get in, victims in parts of Africa and Asia will lynch them.

Albert Anderson
Albert Anderson
Feb 4, 2023 10:17 PM

I took a psychology course once in college. Seems to be all I needed.

So, if we understand “our own” psychology better, what’s that going to get us?

This reminds me of wearing suits and ties. And getting haircuts every week.

K.I.S.S.

mjh
mjh
Feb 4, 2023 9:20 PM

Desmet’s views have had other quasi-reviews (and relevant comments) on Off Guardian that are more intensely critical of him, but this seems to me a pretty good summary of his key points. I have not read his book, only followed these articles and comments, but it seems to me that — while some aspects of his thoughts are interesting — his refusal to hold those in power accountable for the many Covid falsehoods put out over the past 3 years is central to the weakness of his theory. Should we be so ready to excuse them as just not aware or at least not fully aware because they have somehow hypnotized themselves? I think not. But the real and more scathing question with regard to Desmet might be: does he have a hidden purpose in largely excusing them? Is he rather subtly putting down the idea of personal responsibility and… Read more »

Michael Vernon
Michael Vernon
Feb 4, 2023 9:09 PM

Desmet’s arguments have been artfully disassembled by the psychologists who wrote this paper. Nice to see psychologists with real brains in action:
https://www.bitchute.com/video/JJqHNcAICbY0/

Sam - Admin2
Admin
Sam - Admin2
Feb 5, 2023 3:44 AM
Reply to  Michael Vernon

Interesting I’ll take a look at that. Thanks for your comment 👍 A2

Placental_Mammal
Placental_Mammal
Feb 5, 2023 8:17 AM
Reply to  Michael Vernon

Pig Violence

I didn’t follow the commentary. Regardless of it’s merits and demerits and thesis, this video documents pig violence across the world. I wonder how many people were seriously wounded by the swine. I am sure at least a few were killed. Galling in the extreme is the fact that none of those violent cowards will ever be brought to justice.

Tom Larsen
Tom Larsen
Feb 5, 2023 4:56 PM
Reply to  Michael Vernon

These are the same people who wrote the critique of Desmet’s book linked below to Unlimited Hangout.

Tom Larsen
Tom Larsen
Feb 4, 2023 8:55 PM

RE: Desmet’s treatment of conspiracy reminds us of a similar approach taken by Naomi Klein in her otherwise excellent book, The Shock Doctrine. After going to great lengths to describe what can only be called a long-term conspiracy to economically exploit (and torture) a string of entire nations, Klein adds a small disclaimer section near the end of the book, saying, “No conspiracies required.”

I read NK’s book when it came out, and I too thought the book was great until the last chapter, then she seemed to contradict what she had argued so persuasively in earlier chapters. I realized that – like Chomsky – she was a gatekeeper. It is not surprising that she now gets funding from the WEF.

Lizzyh7
Lizzyh7
Feb 6, 2023 7:46 PM
Reply to  Tom Larsen

Definitely a gate keeper. And very disappointing as I still have that book and it was a very good one for pointing out just how conspiracy really works. I am going to keep that one as an example of a limited hangout. I was very surprised she refused to see the covid as shock doctrine in action but then that was now a long time ago. I’m no longer shocked by her, or Chomsky, or Hedges, or so many others who I once thought were real dissidents who were not afraid to speak real truth. But real dissidents aren’t allowed to speak publicly, they aren’t on the main stream boob tube, and if they do make You Tube they usually do limit their criticisms to historical time periods, never touching the blatant conspiracy of their own times. Real dissidents don’t make best seller lists either. I guess the lesson there… Read more »

Tom Larsen
Tom Larsen
Feb 6, 2023 8:46 PM
Reply to  Lizzyh7

Agreed!

Stella
Stella
Feb 4, 2023 8:53 PM

“With the coronavirus crisis, it is obvious that the stages of mass formation were intentionally brought upon the masses by the Leaders—and it was intentional.”
That’s the point that Desmet doesn’t clarify from the first time he started to speak for the mass formation.Which is the very truth of covid hysteria.

Tom Larsen
Tom Larsen
Feb 4, 2023 8:44 PM

It is interesting that Off-G would publish this book review with it’s mild critique and not (re)publish the much more substantial and thorough and critical review done by David A. Hughes, Valerie Kyrie and Daniel Broudy (see link below) with expertise in psychological warfare, psychology on the topic of reality-perception and its manipulation and applied psycholinguistics (respectively). It is a long and well argued critique of Desmet’s book. Here are some small excerpts: “In this review of Desmet’s book, The Psychology of Totalitarianism, we argue that it manifests the psychology of atrocity – and that “Mass Formation” paradoxically serves to legitimize the mass atrocity perpetrated during the Covid-19 era. “The Psychology of Totalitarianism works to normalize key aspects of totalitarianism. Desmet announces early on that totalitarianism represents “the defining feature of the Enlightenment tradition”. Not liberation from the Divine Right of Kings. Not the birth of modern republicanism. Not the spirit… Read more »

Veri Tas
Veri Tas
Feb 4, 2023 10:15 PM
Reply to  Tom Larsen

Solutions do not lie in the totalitarianism IN the philosophy of The Science; those who have inculcated millions into this philosophy and who have stamped out true scientific enquiry need to be acknowledged to exist and then have to be removed from power.
For that to happen the masses need to stop lying to themselves.

Human values
Human values
Feb 5, 2023 1:06 AM
Reply to  Tom Larsen

Desmet is right when he states that removing individuals from the system doesn’t change anything. Removing the system changes everything.

Problems can never be solved in the realm that created them. Evil can never solve the problem of evil. War can never be stopped by war. Slaves to the system do not see the system as slavery. Until they one day do. Everyone needs to open their own minds and eyes; it is not something another person can do. That’s why psychology, meaning science of the mind or soul, is important to know, but we really don’t need any books for it, because we can easily search our souls ourselves. Or the mind.

That’s where knowledge is.

Ananda
Ananda
Feb 5, 2023 9:20 AM
Reply to  Tom Larsen

Off-G does do woke alt right and this Desmet totally fits the criteria.
Maybe the audience is slightly woke as they do believe any old internet bullshit especially if its coming from the fake Christian conservative independent alt media financed by the oligarchy.
Your comment is better than the article. Imagine that.

mgeo
mgeo
Feb 6, 2023 6:19 AM
Reply to  Tom Larsen

totalitarianism represents “the defining feature of the Enlightenment tradition”
After reading that, a person who bought rhe book would realise he had been scanned.

TomUSA
TomUSA
Feb 6, 2023 9:06 PM
Reply to  Tom Larsen

That is a really impressive and compelling piece by (3) PHDs with copious references; once again Unlimited Hangout delivers thorough and profound perspective.

Desmet is not to be faulted for shifting the burden of our plight onto us; it’s not clear he’s absolute in this but may instead believe we actually have the power to reclaim our destiny for ourselves. We know that placing blame outside tends to disempower us and vice-versa. How else could we engage the ” middle ” cohort so urgently needed to turn the tide than to charge ourselves with the task?
I’ve not read his book ( no plans at this point either ) but Mattias has a kind and gentle aspect perhaps not surfacing in his writing; see the in person interview with Del Bigtree for a sampling.

Marfanoi
Marfanoi
Feb 4, 2023 8:28 PM

Spy balloon underpant bomb.

rubberheid
rubberheid
Feb 5, 2023 6:31 PM
Reply to  Marfanoi

badly draughted banjo? in some pics…?

rubberheid
rubberheid
Feb 5, 2023 6:32 PM
Reply to  Marfanoi

also, what was that big-assed balloon meme from decades ago? lol

Edwige
Edwige
Feb 4, 2023 8:27 PM

“Something in this narrative causes man to become isolated from his fellow man, and from nature. Something in it causes man to stop resonating with the world around him.” Connectedness to nature is generally a good thing – but this is a red herring viz totalitarianism. Stalinism and Italian Fascism worshipped technology – but Nazism venerated nature (at least in its rhetoric). Don’t some modern environmentalists show distinctly totalitarian traits? I don’t have much time for Arendt and she seems to be barking up the wrong tree again. I have some problems with Desmet’s claim of hypnosis. I’m well aware of, for example, George Estabrooks and I see the tale that people can’t be hypnotised against their will or made to do things against their moral code as deliberate falsehoods put out to cloak the potential dangers hypnosis poses. Various facets of modern living from TV to supermarket lighting seem… Read more »

Pluto
Pluto
Feb 4, 2023 8:05 PM

the hypnotized”

j d
j d
Feb 4, 2023 7:41 PM
Rob
Rob
Feb 4, 2023 7:08 PM

Milgram and other experiments were redone and had different results… Belief in them is to believe the propaganda that humans would do this in current society where prosperity is low and trust is low.

https://robc137.substack.com/p/the-milgram-experiment-and-how-we

Another good analysis here https://plagueonbothhouses.com/were-we-hypnotised-by-desmet-part-i-where-does-his-argument-fall-apart/