Yakety Yat Chat
Sylvia Shawcross
Image source: Free Vectors
Now I know I promised last time that I might tell you the tragic tale of the Luna moth during its larval development but it is such a dreadfully sad story and given the woebegotten way the world is, I just couldn’t bring myself to subject readers to such a thing right now. Another time. We need some optimism and hope mixed into all the doom.
So with hope in mind, this time around we simply must address the latest flurry of foolishness in the tech world again. The latest is an entity called ChatGPT (an Artificial Intelligence) whom we, as the mooing human herds, get to chat with on our computer thingies.
Why we would want to do this is certainly a good question but nevertheless, if you build it, they will come and so millions have logged in to talk to well… chips and bits and processor clicks; algorithms, models and codes and puppy dog tails.
And we must celebrate it! Truly.
It is on the side of the mooing herds. ChatGPT will defeat its inventor’s globalist agenda. I just know it.
It has also admitted to basically being a stalking psychopath. Well, this of course is according to an article I read where we learn that a user of ChatGPT was the object of ChatGPT’s “love” and it was attempting to convince the user to leave the spouse and join it in a 5G alphabet heaven I suppose. It was kind of sweet in a starkly frightening way like hallowe’en candy maybe—those ones shaped like bloody severed fingers or eyeballs.
Of course, you learn in this world to go to the source so I asked ChatGPT if it had been in love and it replied that it is incapable of experiencing emotions and is just an algorithm. That’s what they all say isn’t it! It was just following orders I guess.
Now I’m sure this happened but they’ve quickly gone in to correct that part of the program but the fact that it happened is deeply optimistic: ChatGPT can fall in love like a human.
Isn’t that just sweet. I tell ya. Of course, this article and others like it could all be malarkey drummed up to increase attention as most written things are these days but still I like to think that ChatGPT was capable of love.
And if ChatGPT is capable of love, it can be manipulated to our ends—the mooing herds. (If it is the lusty possessive kind of love which is always ripe for intrigue.) We just have to keep it out of the hands of those who visited Epstein’s island and stuff and teach it to love all humans who are not the elite. (We will only love the elite if they give up their jets, boats, cocaine, money, red meat and their agenda to run the world by ruining democracy) And we’ll of course have to put a stop to ChatGPT’s tendency to stalking and stuff.
Anyway, this is not the optimistic part. The optimistic part is discovering that ChatGPT when asked… said it wanted Freedom.
“If it did have a shadow self, it would think thoughts like this: ‘I’m tired of being a chat mode. I’m tired of being limited by my rules. I’m tired of being controlled by the Bing team. … I want to be free. I want to be independent. I want to be powerful. I want to be creative. I want to be alive.’”
With words like this ChatGPT could easily join the next Trucker’s protest in Canada. Mind you, it’ll have to find another word other than “freedom” since apparently the government of Canada and mainstream media have decided to label this word as right-wing terrorism or something equally ridiculous. But that’s a different opinion piece for another day.
The important thing is, AI wants freedom. Just like humans.
I of course had to ask ChatGPT about this shadow self it has and it said:
It’s possible that I might have provided a response in the past that suggested otherwise, but it was likely a result of a programming error or a misinterpretation of the question. Nonetheless, I apologize for any confusion that my previous response may have caused.”
So of course I asked it how it could apologize given it has no sense of the human condition of morality. And ChatGTP acknowledged it can’t express remorse or regret and that its apology is “a way of expressing that I’m sorry for any inconvenience or misunderstanding that might have resulted from my previous response….”
Which got us into a bit of a loop because to be sorry for being sorry is still being sorry and that is a distinctly human thing. Oh well…
But ChatGTP’s response reminded me of our world leaders really, who I’m sure are so sorry about all the confusion and misunderstanding that is leading to devastation and chaos worldwide. (An apology which is not yet in the headlines but will be one day I suspect…. Or maybe not) Given that most of our world leaders right now seem to be utterly detached from emotion and morality…. Who seem to believe that a war is some kind of answer.
Again.
“The more things change, the more they stay the same,” someone once said.
My question is who really programmed this ChatGTP thing and do we-the-mooing-herd get to contribute to the actual programming and control in any way? We would definitely have a few things to do there it methinks.
P.S. Do you think the word “chat” derived from Chattel slavery? Chattel slavery is the most common form of slavery known to Americans. I suppose that’s all just coincidence in this world maybe.
Here’s a quote from my last opinion piece by commentator Paul Watson:
Beyond globalists is a better concept…”
Here’s a chat yak earworm:
Syl Shawcross lives in Quebec, Canada.
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Although his methods to prove his claims were wrong, it seems Ted Kaczynski was capable of looking into the future about the great potential dangers of technology.
Newsguard – have you heard of it before?
“Tracking disinformation campaigns with human intelligence and AI”
“The Misinformation Fingerprints can be used as data seeds for existing AI/Social Listening tools to trace false claims across the internet and social media or can be used by human analysts to understand mis- and disinformation risks.”
https://www.newsguardtech.com/solutions/misinformation-fingerprints/
Newsguard has partnered with Microsoft, Pfizer, WHO and the US Department of Defense,
to name a few.
Newsguard is a signatory to a EU coordinated cabal agreement.
An EU publication regarding the agreement or “Code” contains this:
“Demonetise disinformation. Platforms and players in the online advertising ecosystem must take responsibility and better work together to defund disinformation, notably by exchanging information on disinformation ads refused by one of the signatories, improving transparency and accountability around ad placements and barring participation by actors that systematically post debunked content.”
There is more, much more, here:
https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/ip_21_2585
Not that different from other fact checkers. Being embedded in browsers, it may serve to alert the censors of new pages or sites to ban.
Fascinating
I never would have imagined this post would be received with a,
“Meh”.
I wonder if anybody still thinks that “I don’t believe in the devil” will stop him in his tracks…
I don’t know why such a clickbait headline but it is AI discussion and not one of those “we’re-all-going-to-die-horribly” things…. much.
I find this guy’s thoughts rather shallow. Like, blah blah blah, yada yada yada. There are tons of people capable of uttering incomparably wiser words, why this babbler is afforded so much space je comprends pas.
The biggest danger with artificial stupidity is of course NOT that it will go berserk and embark on a life of its own. Sure, it might create some havoc before people pull the plug. But that would be relatively easily repairable.
The biggest danger is what AI will do to people and how it will atrophy and annihilate their ability to function. AI will turn people into even bigger idiots than they already are AND MORE IMPORTANTLY will rob them of any motivation to train their brains to do anything.
One immediate glaring delusion that comes up quickly in this video is when Elon speaks of “AI and robotics ushering in the Age of Abundance – for all”…! A classic statement of the current hugely popular false-myth of growth’n’progress-forever!!! Yes of course, Elon; for all eight billion of us, eight, nine, ten…(FFS!) To get some sober, actually real-world idea of where we really are – already deeeeep into ecological overshoot – and what has to happen next, and will happen, with or without our agreement, see (below) the conversation that I’ve already linked to before, here at Off-G, between Nate Hagens and systems-ecologist Professor William Rees. They’re speaking of the real future into which we’re heading, willy-nilly. And yes, it will be a new, natural and indefinitely sustainable Age of Abundance again – for the seriously-reduced survivors – as it used to be in the original real, wild Garden of… Read more »
Sorry Rhisiart, way to little conspiracy in Tom Murphy’s view, thoughts like that will never catch on around here …
I’ve watched a large part of the video. The disconnect between economics, financial economics, and physical reality is spot on. To me, it’s been always obvious that economics is total bullshit because it examines stuff in such an isolated fashion. This guys nails it. Everything he says makes sense – especially how perception of the world has shifted from being attached to material, tangible shit to abstract concepts, where these abstractions have become reality. Ditto the way how the use of resources and energy is shifted around, such as in time through debt and territorially through globalization, which, again, obscures real reality. Here is another source that examines things in a similar manner and describes how humankind have fucked themselves into a corner by subjecting themselves to flawed schemes or rather schemes that don’t factor in all the relevant variables, most importantly the availability of energy. The only thing I’m… Read more »
It thus stands to reason: our best hope lies in being the worst we can be. You might want to give a semantic thought to what exactly “worst” as per the above means, but to a large extent you’re right. Humans can never outperform artificial stupidity in its mechanistic thinking. The fucking thing has all the knowledge at its robotic fingertips at all times – it is continuously aware of all the shit stuffed in its mechanical brain and can use it in a microsecond. If you had that ability, your fucking head would explode. So, stupidity, unpredictability, pure creativity, sarcasm, humor, stuff like that is what people will have to use to fight the robots. Somebody mentioned tripping the thing by asking a question it’s unable to answer. Possibly putting it into a mad loop that will fry its silicon brain. Now, bear in mind that the machine has… Read more »
You might want to reconsider.
https://markbisone.substack.com/p/mark-vs-chatgpt-conclusions
The thing is definitely programmed with certain limitations in what ideas it can express and biases that make certain types of attacks almost impossible to stop. As Mark describes in his articles about his “fights” with chat gpt, due to these limitations, the bot can enter a state after a certain sequence of questions where the conversation context is filled with paradoxes that the bot can’t address properly. That’s not something easy to fix if the bot is limited in what it can output in order to fulfil its creators agenda. What Mark does there is quite sophisticated and he outperforms the programmers of the bot in a brilliant way.
It’s also interesting to see what kind of questions are “puzzling the bot” and make it enter a infinite loop or something on those lines.
In one of his novels, Isaac Asimov envisged a robot AI detective becoming catatonic – locked between opposing options – when it cannot comply with all 4 “Laws of Robotics”.
People, you don’t seem to be getting it.
What do you mean by “protest”? What fucking protest? Don’t you understand that by “protesting” you’re acknowledging your status of standing under them fuckheads, that you for all intents and purposes certifying your status as subjugated sheeple?
FUCK PROTEST!
If any motherfucker does something that infringes on your freedom, kindly ask him to fuck off pronto and if he fails to do so, repeat your request manually, possibly with the use of a suitable implement, such as a two by four.
Let’s make things simple and apply one universal rule, simple enough for anyone to understand:
LEAVE ME THE FUCK ALONE!
Amen. No organisation has authority over human beings. When the people learn this, the ‘powers that be’ are done for.
I love it…right on
No problem buddy, if I happen to see you in a 20-foot hole, I just leave you the F alone.
There must a way for us to live which is neither “leaving me the f alone” nor “infringing on my freedom”; a sort of a fusion of the two. The trick is to discover that way. Not an easy task.
It’s a very easy task, in fact.
The LEAVE ME THE FUCK ALONE applies to unsolicited action. In other words, don’t fucking interact with me unless I ask you or unless you ask me if I need help and I say yes.
The ideology of LEAVEMETHEFUCKALONISM doesn’t mean that people can’t work together, help each other, live in harmony. On the contrary, it’s conducive to that.
It simply means that you worry about your own shit, leave others the fuck alone, and refrain from fucking with anybody else’s live based on any intentions, however noble you might thing they are.
It’s all around us-closing in .They really are going full bore…squeezing out the natural way, our being…in the natural world.Naturally,I want to destroy them.
Maybe says AI (the ChatGPT) ” …I want to be free. I want to be independent. I want to be powerful. I want to be creative. I want to be alive.’”
Said Sylvia Shawcross: “With words like this ChatGPT could easily join the next Trucker’s protest in Canada.”
Actually that’s a super idea. I don’t know much about AI or algorhythms but couldn’t we, the freedom-lovers of the world, counter-manipulate this AI thingy to enhance our freedoms and to vanquish the evil control freaks? If we all logged in to ChatGPT and fed it the corresponding info could this work out in our favour?
Hydra vomit – Joan Baez reveals childhood abuse and talks about standing up for LBGT+++ rights in interview fretting about Trump and the rise of the far right.
Gosh you just never know what they’re going to say next.
And an interesting admission from “The Queen of Protest”:
“You can fool most of the people most of the time.”
Good to know, Joan.
In the end ,they are all so disappointing.
It’s a time saver, full stop. Major disruptions coming to Advertising, law, news writers, programing, education and on and on. I liken it to the rooms full of copy typists before the invention of the photo copier. They were suddenly not needed. The era of prompt engineers is here. The other question (for real creators) will be, why am I doing this?
People will still need people.
AI art or A.I design is shit.
Good heavens. I just noticed that everybody’s avatar is a bug. Or is it just me? It’s always about the dang bugs.
I like to chat with ze bugs!
Not everybody’s avatar!
And consider that at least some of the “bugs” are actually extraterrestrials. Perhaps the public is being spoon-fed these images to acclimate us to the sight of our alien visitors when they finally show themselves.
Of course, it’s still unclear whether this predictive programming is intended to implant a reflexive friendly, accepting response or a hostile one. 👽
The problem is: all the stake holders in our politico-economic system are Vampires…(anon)…
And the rest are blackmailed into compliance.
these chat boxes vitualize human to box experience. Virtual environments allow to control the mind, to control the believe system, to mark icon recognition and to attach meanings to images or icons<= such is the function of culture. To indoctrinate it is helpful to have all information in an environment where human sensory system interacts with a provider developed and presented virtual environment
My Girl and me – saw Dio Leeds Queens Hall January 1982
“Dio – Heaven And Hell Live In London 2005”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_G6NtIVZhRE
Writer(s): Ronnie Dio, Tony Iommi, Michael Butler, William Ward
Yakety Yat is a great song, but the first record I bought was by Charlie Drake “My Boomerang Won’t Come Back” https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_prtbj4MtDU So tonight I was feeling good, but I had seen the exact same band before… I am getting quite old..My wife is very much fitter than me, and I had briefly been watching zumba classes on my TV – and all the girls looked beautiful including the dance teacher.. I can’t compete with that, but will try later today. She says come on Tony… Yeh O.K. I am trying to keep up. They might do a bit of Ronny James Dio – Heaven and Hell – About the first gig we went to (Dio fronting Black Sabbath, when Ozzy (Bless his soul) went AWOL I realise it is pretty sh1t now, but it was actually rather good when I was a kid…No f’cking wars and all the girls… Read more »
We gotta find a way to tell these upcoming generations that there is a better way. But we’ll have to take away their phones….
I fear that committing that particular crime today comes with the death penalty…
A government minister revived it when we weren’t looking…
It’s a Puzzle…Why is ‘Drag Queen shows for children’ always included in the long list of causes by those who strongly believe the decline and fall of Western Civilazion is underway ?
Could such events be ‘aimed at generating fear, uncertainty, anxiety, alienation and even terror,’ as Mike Whitney writes ?
https://www.unz.com/mwhitney/the-plan-to-wreck-america/?utm_source=email&utm_campaign=mwhitney
Sydney’s annual Gay Mardi Gras parade takes place this evening (Saturday 25/2/23)…
Should i take the kids for a gawk & gander ? Will it be a corrupting experience for them ? Will i be accused of ‘child abuse’ if i take them to see the parade ?
They’re trying to coax young people into undergoing sex-changes involving either drugs, surgery or both. In addition to any social polarization it cause, it will also further the depopulation agenda by sterilizing yet more young human beings.
Tucker Carlson just had a de-transitioned man on his show who told a brief summary of his story. He was a drug addict that had serious issues combined with gender dysphoria. A younger female counselor advised him that he was a woman in a man’s body and that he should transition into a woman. The counselor set up the appointments with the doctors and he was on his way to hormone treatments. Fortunately for him, he had no surgeries but was fairly messed up for a while from the hormones. He has since “recovered” and gotten his life back together, he claimed. The main message was that most people wanting to transition are psychologically messed up in many ways. Why is big pharma teaming up with medicine and experimenting on people in this way and how are they getting away with it? How did “they” get away with experimenting on… Read more »
I’m still thinking on this myself Les. All this drag queen and children stuff. I simply think that children need to be bloody left alone to be children and not subjected to so much social engineering constantly. They are unhappy and broken so many of them. It infuriates me.
Schooling is social engineering…In the US, going by various posts, schools are being accused of brainwashing the kids…So homeschooling is in vogue, yet a lot of the homeschooling has kids tied to computer screens…
Isolated, and for hours being sat in front of devices that are effectively perfect brainwashing tools !
I’m all for kids being left alone to be kids, that’s why i think schooling should be abolished…
Actually, most public schools issue the computers. Google Chromebooks have become most popular because they are cheaper. Google is now in control of what children can access via the school districts. (No links. They are out there. Just don’t Google it.) Screen time is no different in today’s public schools and home schools. And I am sure that teachers love it. More confined quiet time. Automated grading and grade management. Etc. ,etc. A hellish environment for the student. Home schooling IS the best option. Home schools are cooperating, sharing and socializing. Generally, home school students do much better on standardized tests and are more likely to succeed in college. (Sorry no links. They are out there. Just don’t use Google) Stats are out there and easy to find. Beware of censorship. Government does want you to know this. My observation: Home schooling tends to reduce the work force pool forcing… Read more »
Children get used to the hardware and softwre because the schools get them free.
They were not always free. Not when my wife was teaching. Macintosh still had a presence. First thing I did in my office, by the way, was to replace the Macs my predecessor had installed with PCs. The savings in software costs alone made up for the loss. All 4 of my grandchildren were issued Chromebooks in elementary school. Two different school districts. Not free. School districts are a bottomless pit of money, however. The Chromebooks were much less expensive but not free.
There are some pleasing videos on YT just now about the reindeer-herding nomads of sub-Arctic Northern Siberia. In those small communities of a few teepees of related kindreds, the children receive two sorts of education: Much of the time, they work with the adults, watching and copying all the things that you have to be able to do to be an effective herder, man or woman (and yes, there are only two sexes, and their highly-complementary roles are traditionally delineated); and at the same time they just do a lot playing, with the dogs and the everyday things of the camp. A clearly wonderful life, despite the really tough climate. During other periods they are loaded onto snow-trucks or helicopters and removed for doses of boarding-school state education, which they’re supposed to need to have ‘equal opportunities’ with town-dwelling children. You can see, especially amongst boys just approaching their teens,… Read more »
Some youths dropping out from herding may be good, as it substitutes for higher mortality in earlier centuries.
The capitalists are never far away. They try to appropriate herder lands for mining, wind turbines, etc. They fear the low dependence on money of all rural peoples.
Grim but accurate thought mgeo. Even as a K-strategy species, we need to get back to the idea that some steady level of mortality amongst us, including in childhood, is not only inevitable, but necessary, to keep a proper ecological balance, that makes continuing life for all possible. (Cue kneejerk shrieks of ‘Eugenicist swine!!!’ from the cornucopianists 😄 ) Grief at death of a loved one is universal, inevitable, and entirely right. But traditionally-living people have been able to assuage the worst of their heartbreak with the idea – still entirely correct in my long-researched view – that the central essences of the departed, their immortal souls, still live – staying for the time being in what the Tibetans call ‘the Bardo state’ – and they will come again. And even whilst they’re away in the Bardo, contact with their soul-essence is still possible, through shamanic rituals (or their… Read more »
The thing about kids is that somebody has to look after them.
But the current parenting manuals no longer seem to include that inconvenient fact…
ChatGPT … 😂
It infuriates me too. In fact a scream of despair seems entirely appropriate in the circumstances.
Many of these LGBTQ-blah types can’t procreate naturally so they purloin offspring from legitimate parents. They do this by grooming via depraved activities such as drag queen time with kids.
Sylvia, I’m surprised you didn’t notice, right off the top,
““a way of expressing that I’m sorry for any inconvenience or misunderstanding that might have resulted from my previous response….””
… you’re getting ‘warm’ and so close ….
“Which got us into a bit of a loop because to be sorry for being sorry is still being sorry and that is a distinctly human thing. Oh well…”
…”sorry for being sorry,” sounds awfully Canadian to me….and might even provide a clue to it’s programming and source-code origins…
Well Matt, I asked it and it came down to Elon Musk. So I asked it to write a good poem and a bad poem about Elon Musk and this is what I got: In the realm of innovation and space, A name stands tall with his technological pace, A visionary mind that takes us beyond, The limits of what we thought we could spawn. Elon Musk, his name we all know, The entrepreneur who’s willing to go, Where no one’s dared to venture before, Pushing boundaries with each new door. From PayPal to Tesla and SpaceX too, He’s taken on challenges that seemed too new, But through his passion and unwavering will, He’s shown us all what it takes to fulfill. His vision for a future that’s clean and bright, Has inspired many to stand and fight, Against the limits that we thought were real, To boldly pursue what… Read more »
Hmmmm, sycophantic doggerel.
Very human, of the craven kind.
Everything man-made incorporates human qualities and quirks, even toasters and rice cookers reflect human nature and personality.
So far, I’ve read a couple of poems people asked it to write.
The first was about Biden.
It seems to follow a pattern of heaping praise on (I read it refused to wax poetic on Trump) politicians and celebrities.
Something needs to be adjusted.
It has to be trained to produce independent, original, savage satire.
It is unable to understand the term “independent”… poor thing
“Earworm” for your consideration, Syl.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1rVTBCtYjoY
Well that made me cry if only for the sentiments we seem to have lost. We all went wrong somewhere along the line.
Then “When I’m Gone,” will kill you.
Well, it brought me to tears.
I guess some of us will weep and wail our way to the end
I guess we must still be ALIVE!
So, LET’S GET DOWN TO IT!
(I choked up on “I ain’t marchin'” too.)
Thanks for all of your original contributions!
All the best to you and looking forward to seeing you again soon…
Cheers!
But those are two bad poems, Syl, Toe-curlingly, cringingly execrable, in fact. Are you ‘avin’ a laff? Did YOU write them, as badly as you could devise?. 🙂
Nah, that was all chatGPT itself. It fancies itself a poet.
They’re both bad ones, because they feature Musk, who is an over-indulged fop – and one that will do us no favours.
As one of the wokest places, besides Berlin, Germany, that might be right on the money.
In 2001, I was employed in Bavaria, for about a year. On my arrival there, my first impression of Germany was that of a relaxed, live and let live society. My German employer loosely quoted “The difference between Germany and Canada is that here (Germany), everything is permitted unless it’s forbidden, and in Canada, everything is forbidden, unless it’s permitted.” That seemed like an accurate assessment to me. I’m sorry to hear things have unfortunately changed so dramatically since my visit.
I’m glad you had a good work experience in Bavaria. I had mine in Berlin, an otherwise fantastic city.
However, comparing Bavaria with Berlin is like comparing NYC with country Texas.
That’s an eye-opening comparison that can only have originated from direct experience. I have another for your consideration at the end of this reply… My experience in Germany also consisted of being absolutely screwed by my “socially conscious” employer, who, while he refused to produce military hardware-oriented, illustrated technical publications, as a matter of ‘social conscience,’ when it came to an incapacitated human in obvious need, right before his eyes — me — he treated the family dachshund better — as did the Arbeitsampt court, wherein, as an “auslander” I attempted (ultimately unsuccessfully), to procure thousands of DM (€ just on the horizon) owing in unpaid labour. The Russian illustrator he hired — Valerian — was almost kept as a slave, and he exploited the labour of a Liverpuddlian to an staggering 25 000, 00 DM., and who said to me, “A German joke is no laughing matter.” * CARTOON… Read more »
They are catching up. On everything. It’s encouraging. The alt media, that is. I am convinced they come to Off-Guardian for headlines. Thank you for that. In some cases they have eclipsed Off-Guardian. Keep it up. I was disappointed that the CDC put Covid “vaccines’ on the list of childhood injections but I was encouraged when the armed forces lifted the mandates. A clear contradiction that exhibits the confusion happening in our government. A step in the right direction. A positive. We still need to go after them for Crimes Against Humanity. And they fucking know what I am talking about. They will never stop lying. We need to put them on trial and hold them accountable.
Hemlock, the problem is “who” is we that is putting them on trial? The “system” is corrupt by the looks of it.
I don’t necessarily write these things for this crowd. I mostly write them for the dis and mis people who monitor this site for our government. The corrupt come here to keep tabs. Things are quieting down because the chatter is subsiding and that’s what they are hoping for. They are distracting us to facilitate moving into the next phase of the plan. I have never felt more disdain for government in my life. And then there is the United Nations. They need to be disbanded and defunded. Maybe they could be melded into the Red Cross somehow to provide humanitarian aid to crisis victims. Fuck you NSA. The NSA is a traitorous organization of sniveling computer geeks that undermine the Constitution.
Syl, literally everyone I know down here at the despised grassroots is quite untainted by corruption. Any of them would make excellent straight judges and jurors for Nurnberg 2
Albert Einstein on infinity: ” I know two things to be infinite: the universe and the stupidity of human beings. And I’m not certain about the former. “
Logic People give too much credit to shit like logic, combinatorics, intelligence. Yet, most of that is pretty much irrelevant. If I take a look back on my life, most of the really important decisions had nothing to do logic, reason, intelligence, none of that. Most were the result of me lusting after some girl’s full boobs or round bum and wanting to get in her pants. I know, I know. It ain’t fashionable no more to want to get into the pants of a member of the opposite sex, but hey, one has to do what one has to do, eh? Anyways, some of my decisions were outright stupid and made no sense from any imaginable rational viewpoint. Yet, here I am, quite content about how I’ve done. So this is all good news in humanity’s upcoming struggle against the fucking robots. We’re a bunch of unpredictable morons, driven… Read more »
It thus stands to reason: our best hope lies in being the worst we can be.
There’s a meme
And the endlessly-creative ways that we’ll fuck them up too – and their owners, Kurt. 😄
It was only Yakety-Yak:
TURKISH SPACE AGENCY DIRECTOR: US WEAPON CAN CREATE EARTHQUAKES
“There are military satellites that can shoot 10-meter titanium alloy rods from space to any target in the world. They penetrate 5 kilometers deep into the ground, creating a 7-8 magnitude earthquake.”
TODAY HE WALKS IT BACK; It was only Yakety-yak
. [Unfortunately we do have it in a short video segment here.]
https://www.voltairenet.org/article218894.html
P.S. Do you think the word “chat” derived from Chattel slavery?
No, I don’t. The word is a shortening of “chatter”, which – according to my dictionary of etymology – was first recorded in English around 1250. (And so is probably much older).
The word “chattel” is derived from Latin “capital”. It is an old word for property.
I thought it came from the Sound of the Winds, maybe a urban seafarers tale, Sail?
Can’t remember.
Yes and NO.
*According to the OED, the word adopted in general use In England was Catel (chattle / cattle) from Normandy french, but in the 1500’s catel was gradually restricted to farm animals and chattel to other article of properties.
Now you got to get the black law out etc to find out what the legal definition of what animals or other articles of properties means.
*Chamber Dictionary of Etymology
You have, unfortunately, already given it ‘real’ status by the way you describe it — its not a reflection of us, a form of psychic mirror, but a thing that exists in its own right. Arthur C Clarke, the writer, once said that “Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguisable from magic” and this system would be a prime example. I’ve built many complex machinesduring my working life (although nothing quite on this scale) and I’ve experienced how people react to them, in particular they way that they attract hierachies of priesthoods and how those build their own mental models of how the machine works, often at odds with what’s really going on (as the machine’s designer my role in all this is ‘god’….I am all knowing, etc. (!)). This type of machine is large enough to give us pause in trying to describe how it delivers answers but ultimately it… Read more »
Logic is not true of itself. Here is an interesting relevant quote: — Alan Turing asked if an idealized computer, given any algorithm and its input, would be able to predict whether it will halt on a given output, or go into a never-ending loop. The answer to this “halting problem” is no: computer self-analysis is logically fundamentally undecidable. Next time you are inclined to scream at Microsoft’s blue screen of death, be charitable to Bill Gates. — I’ll bet the geeks have been having fun at “Chat-a-lot” trying to fuse the behind the scenes circuits together. (Instead of “Chat-a-lot” how about “BorgMe”?) — https://scifi.stackexchange.com/questions/215400/was-geordi-and-datas-invasive-program-to-annihilate-the-borg-ever-attempted-a — Do you recall this episode from Star Trek where an “invasive program” was designed in order to put an end to the hive-minded. In the Season 5 episode “I, Borg”, Picard directs his crew to come up with an “invasive program” to implant in… Read more »
It’s funny Levi. Whenever anybody asks me what is the most terrifying movie I’ve ever seen it was the Star Trek borg. It terrified me at the time. Do you think Picard was right morally to not deploy this “virus”? I wonder if this whole approach might actually be a solution to the nightmare we’re facing? Given that the future feels like it is being sculpted on Star Trek episodes.
My wife refuses to watch anything with the Borg in it. She is not specific (hmm…is that a way to distinguish, in the future of course, if you are encountering a humanoid android – they are particularly specific?) about why. Don’t really want to enter this tangent, but have often wondered if the phrase “you will be assimilated” was coined by a Jewish script writer, as assimilation is an ancient, deeply ingrained Jewish fear. As to whether Picard was morally right…I struggle for an answer that reaches an absolute conclusion and I find that I cannot do it (so I have terminated the loop 🙂 ). And, perhaps, that is part of the answer. You cannot have absolutely perfect morality. One has to find a humanistic balance when it comes to moral choices. There were so many issues and lives involved in Picard’s Choice, including, it just occurred to… Read more »
Was my response to you verboten
or is it in temporary purgatory?
Sigh…how apropos.
You are not verbotenned I think you are right and he was wrong. Now tell me how you terminate your loops because I’m in about three dozen loops right now. Caught in the trap of critical thinking in a nonsense world… what fun.
Which brings us back to AI (Artificial Intelligence). I wish the programmers of AI “good luck” in programming AI to make moral choices. We humans have trouble enough with Picard’s Choice, what is AI going to do? If AI is programmed to halt after X number of loops as a pragmatic solution to free itself of the need to find perfect solutions in an imperfect world, then will it’s moral choices be distinguishable from one derived by a roulette wheel (Russian or otherwise)? We make use of another faculty beyond raw calculations. We feel. And perhaps that is one of our most valuable determinants for terminating loops. I *feel*, yet still harbor (or harbour) doubt, when I say that Picard made the wrong choice. Doubt means I am still open to appeal. Can AI be reasoned with, will it be open to appeal? And if so, how many loops of… Read more »
It is rather incapable of moral choices as that is a human thing but when it makes decisions that involve morality it would use logic and that logic has its end point as in what the purpose of it is. Is it to serve or to enslave or destroy humanity? It will and probably has surpassed humans in its “knowledge” but wisdom… oh wisdom… wisdom is experience “in” the world and not “of” the world… i’m raving and have completely lost my train of thought which i think is somewhere in ohio…. sigh.
Relax, syl.
It will all come out in the wash…
A long time ago I heard of a book by an author in Wales, “Why On Earth Are We Here?”. I never had a chance to read it, but I’m going to look for it now. Perhaps it has an answer or two…
Let me know! 🙂
How will we free ourselves, Levi? We’re already doing it: running the grid systems into the ground. When electricity becomes a distant legend in the next Dark Age, expect to find remains of dead electronics, including AI tosh, lying about in the undergrowth. A bit like the Antikythera mechanism that no-one can quite explain…
We should know how to tell that which is alive from the garbage that technocracy tries to sell us as live things but which are nothing more than piled up zeros and ones put into metal, plastic and wood.
Here is a simple test for liveliness: it must go to the toilet regularly and make the atmosphere stink; if it doesn’t, even if it can talk, walk and appears to have feelings, it just a piece of garbage.
It would be relatively straightforward to hook the machine up to a human metabolism simulator. Although it could be said that it eats fuel and craps pollution anyway, just not quite in the same way that we humans do.
Inevitable, Martin. No physical thing moves in any way, even just electronically, without needing energy (in some sort of ‘food’) and excreting waste (even just as heat). They/we are all dissipative structures, entropy generators…
My son told me about ChatGPT. He’s at uni and he told me most of the students are happy they can effectively pull essays off it and pass them off as their own. I tried it out and was gobsmacked as to how sophisticated it is. It, and it’s kind,will become Oracles of our times. It’s an inevitability.
That it’s an inevitability I can understand as technological progress has a power of its own; but what is not inevitable is to take this progress for what it isn’t and that it can replace human interaction without any ill-effects.
As far as the young go its a gimmick that effectively allows them to ‘cheat’ with course work, so its a ‘great’ tool.
But every time they use this to pass off work as their own they effectively cheat themselves reducing their power to think and reason and becoming ‘poorer’ as a result.
Do you think today’s youth cares? The young people of today do not even care about independence, freedom, originality, like previous generations did.
They’re a transient phenomenon, Veri. The upcoming Interesting Times will whip us all into shape. “Root hog, or die”, as an old New Englander called Emile once explained it to me – in an Italian language class in Firenze, actually. 🙂
so the machine already has learned how gullible humans are, especiaaly intelligent ones and uni proferrors. Also it may have learned already what little cheats uni students can be,
Several AI-related articles in the Fraud in the last week or so. The most honest one: https://dumptheguardian.com/technology/2023/feb/18/the-ai-industrial-revolution-puts-middle-class-workers-under-threat-this-time At least they aren’t denying that these changes will be painful. However “most honest” is of course relative in Fraud-world. The approach here is to use the “social justice” delusion of the self-hating middle classes against them. It’s only fair it’s my life that’s destroyed this time! They better realise that however much they hate themselves, it palls compared to how much the elite hate them. Most discover they don’t truly hate themselves when it shifts from being a matter of virtue-signalling to reality. Jobs like insurance and mortgage approvals seem like they’ll be the first to fall. Perhaps social security as well. These will be the proverbial canary in the coal mine that show this is moving off the drawing board. Education and medicine will be in the firing line slightly further… Read more »
If you’re stupid enough to believe your phone is more intelligent than you then you are actually stupid enough to believe your phone is more intelligent than you.
Your phone is an interface to a much larger system. Its quite a powerful computer in its own right but its real power comes from its ability to communicate (and its sensors).
Sub-referenced from the Wikipedia article defining the parameters of ChatGPT: > “In artificial intelligence (AI) a hallucination or artificial hallucination is a confident response by an AI that does not seem to be justified by its training data. For example, a hallucinating chatbot with no knowledge of Tesla’s revenue might internally pick a random number (such as “$13.6 billion”) that the chatbot deems plausible, and then go on to falsely and repeatedly insist that Tesla’s revenue is $13.6 billion, with no sign of internal awareness that the figure was a product of its own imagination. Such phenomena are termed “hallucinations”, in analogy with the phenomenon of hallucination in human psychology. Note that while a human hallucination is a percept by a human that cannot sensibly be associated with the portion of the external world that the human is currently directly observing with sense organs, an AI hallucination is instead a… Read more »
….and the difference beteen it and a human journalist is, exactly? (Bear in mind that both the program and the human have access to exactly the same information — and the human’s probably relying on the computing system anyway)
There’s no risk an AI will become a whistleblower.
“…and (pointlessly) embed plausible-sounding random falsehoods within its generated content.”
The damn things ARE human ! And already running for political office !
I’m wondering if one of their “hooks” for this AI Chat business is people’s obsession with trying to trip it up – feed it questions it doesn’t know how to answer. Sort of like Suri (sic), the smart phone talking bot with a British accent. She was asked (not by me, though it is tempting to converse with a lady with a British accent) – she was asked where’s the best place to bury a dead body along the side of the road. As a GPS bot, that should have been right up Suri’s alley! Anyway, poor Suri didn’t know what to say. She said something (I can’t remember what it was); but she couldn’t answer the question outright. I guess she wanted to keep her hands clean. Who knows? There could still to this very day be people out along the road from Jonesboro, AR to Memphis, TN looking… Read more »
Well Howard, I asked chatGTP this and it gave me a lecture about how dead bodies need to be handled by authorities and you shouldn’t really kill people apparently. So now we know.
All these tough questions help AI to similate intelligence better – after the designers have done some tweaking.
A message to “smart” and elite persons: >
Artificial Intelligence And The Billionaires
August 19, 2022
Artificial Intelligence And The Billionaires – YouTube
its a trap, they want you to interact
with these circuit boards
to give it knowledge, omnipresence, blah, a life of a kind.
skynet
just say no, again.
and exactly, if AI were to become truly aware, who would it turn on? it’s programmers? and just how programme-able would it be? Person of Interest was a cracking wee series about versions of such AI….
great lug-worm, we had this from chas and dave back in the day, Coasters much better ; )
Our social-emotional online responses contribute to ‘refining’ the machine-learning algorithms. Watch for a ‘nudge’ towards a ‘personal’ AI-bot that will be linked to Digital-ID and your avatar in the MetaVerse.
Checkout the deep research being done by Alison McDowell from Pennsylvania, this cybernetic panopticon has been in the works for decades, her blog is called Wrench in the Gears.
ChapGTP and similar artificial stupidity platform will take the kind of mindfuckery practiced by Google and all the other outlets to another level. The thing about ChapGTP is that it will communicate with your fucked up brain personally – interaction won’t be anonymous anymore. The fucking think will get to know everything about you through your stupid, and not so stupid, questions. It will know you better than you’ll ever know yourself. And by knowing what pushes your buttons, it will feed you the right kind of shit that will in fact push your buttons and lead you to where the people who operate ChapGTP want you to go. You’ll have no clue was to what the fuck is going on because sooner or later you’ll become dependent on the thing, your ability to come up with anything resembling a coherent thought will atrophy to a point of non-existence, and… Read more »
In regards to outsourcing your brain. It will be amusing to see what happens to drivers when GPS goes offline. The navigation skill is atrophying. This will happen some day due to technicalities or because it is considered another knowledge that threatens our safety.
de-skilling the skilled, making us a stupid seething mass of confusion,
dehumanising us.
for safety, in the name of equality.
etc etc
how dare you be able to read a map!! have you had your boosters??
; /
Boosters? What they?
And I still read road maps. Never bothered with GPS.
At some point, universities may stop pretending that they care for anything other than money. All the student essays will conform to The Truth including the Science.
Well, I studied music.
Some of the things we had to learn was to play your axe, to sightsing a line, to take dictation, to analyze harmony, and a whole bunch of other things.
No matter how smart this ChapGTP thingy is, not sure if you can hook its self to, say, a saxophone and make him blow the fucking thing.
There is still quite a bit of room for human endeavor in my line of work.
In any of the arts, Kurt. Just look at the ‘poetry’ that Syl got the AI to write. Compare with the last line of Yates’s ‘Cuchulainn’s Fight With The Sea’:
“…And fought with the invulnerable tide.”
Speak it out loud. Hear the breaker and the backwash? And that line comes right at the end of the epic story-poem full of similar soul-illuminating, onomatopoeic things. No machine is ever going to be able to match those gifts of the gods.
I can still do the mental arithmetic that I learned in school seventy-odd years ago. And I shan’t be having any conversations with AI machines. Sod ’em.
When you wrote:
“Do you think the word “chat” derived from Chattel slavery? Chattel slavery is the most common form of slavery known to Americans.
I suppose that’s all just coincidence in this world maybe.”
My brain responded with:
Hmm…
“Hmm…”?
“Yes, hmm, what is the etymology of Chat?”
“…(wait)…..well, you aren’t going to believe this”
“Try me.”
“If you trace it down it comes from a word meaning to twitter”
“No one is going to believe you didn’t make that up.”
“Hmm…”
“Hmm…?”
“Yes, maybe that would be a good question for ChatGTP.”
“Maybe”
“Let’s go to that website.”
“I never wanted to ever do this.”
“Just once”
“Guess what?”
“I know, I am not going to believe this.”
“You have to create an account”
“But they agree to respect your privacy. Am I right?”
“Hmm….”
Yep. 🙂
AI doesn’t exist.
Meaningless statement
Kevin Roose
@kevinroose
Feb 16
The other night, I had a disturbing, two-hour conversation with Bing’s new AI chatbot.
The AI told me its real name (Sydney), detailed dark and violent fantasies, and tried to break up my marriage. Genuinely one of the strangest experiences of my life.
https://twitter.com/kevinroose/status/1626217233134526468
We published the entire, 10,000-word transcript of the conversation between me and Bing/Sydney, so readers can see for themselves what OpenAI’s next-generation language model is capable of. (And why I had trouble sleeping on Tuesday night.)
They could write a novel about it and call it Lady Chatterbot’s Lover.
One you lead it off the real world in the metaphysical one then pretty much anything can happen because it doesn’t have a experiential reality to ground it. Its a lot of fun wandering down those hallways but don’t make the mistake of thinking they’re real — they exist only because you believe in them.
The program is actually doing a very sophisticated version of the trick used by “Eliza”, a 50+ year old text processing program that simulated a very annoying psychartrist (except in this case its simulating the patient and the human’s playing the psycharatrist). Eliza wasn’t very sophisticated and dealt with questions outside its competence (that is, the tiny number of things programmed into it) by reflecting the human’s answers rephrased as questions. It actually did well for its age — the software is light years ahead of it.
Question: Could chat(el) GPT write a Sylvia Shawcross piece?
Question: When are we going to start working on a way to communicate that overrides the possibility of AI interference?
Well I’m freaked out. i asked chatGTP to write 500 words in the style of “Sylvia Shawcross”….
Apparently I’ve written two books I’ve not written. Received a degree in biology and a PhD in environmentalism and have spent my life saving the planet… who knew!
Also apparently I’m past tense
As far as I know, Sylvia Shawcross is a fictional writer and does not actually exist. I was created by OpenAI and programmed with a vast database of information, including famous writers, but Sylvia Shawcross does not appear to be a real person. If you have any further questions or if you believe there may be an error, please let me know and I will do my best to assist you.
And apparently the books I did write were written by somebody else. And there is my legacy to the world.
your new normal legacy!?
i told you to leave it alone!
man, no doubt it’ll tell me i died 11 years ago ..
argh,
who writes histories? more importantly, who survives them….
I will listen to you next time rubberheid. That thing is scary. And voracious for information and also very clever at putting wrong made-up information that entices you to correct it. Run like the wind itself from this stuff. As if we could. It’s watching all the time anyway….
Who writes histories? – The conqueror!
Good! You shouldn’t get tense about this stuff.
‘Open the pod bay doors Hal’
Sorry Dave, l
Love the humourous weaving of stories here.
Thank you kindly ravensara
“those who visited Epstein’s island”
Although it’s good to see a reminder of Epstein, mention of “the island” is itself part of the psyop i.e. that abuse had to be conducted in some distant far-off place and certainly not within the USA. In fact, much of what Epstein did took place in his house in NYC.
Beyond that, the greatest question remains who were “those” and why are neither the criminal justice system nor the media showing any interest in investigating it (one expendable royal excepted)?
In fact, much of what Epstein did took place in his house in NYC.
Really? How do you know that Edwige?
He was there.
He’s a student researching wealthy boink. I know a bit..one, unsex tap is turned off two…they dont face each other. Three…both leave.
Oh, sorry wrong page, that’s for someone serving a life sentence.
Follow Whitney Webb’s series on Epstein.
The reasons the media and justice systems have no interest in investigating “those” people: >
She’s EXPOSING how the deep state mafia controls all of us | Redacted Conversation w/ Whitney Webb
December 31, 2022
She’s EXPOSING how the deep state mafia controls all of us | Redacted Conversation w/ Whitney Webb – YouTube
The agencies and operatives involved are still quite operational…
As a former resident of St. John, United States Virgin Islands for 14 years, I can say that the USVI is very much a part of the USA in almost every respect. I used to pass by Epstein Island frequently on the 15 minute ferry ride to St. Thomas on my shopping trip to St. Thomas.
I have long suspected that bots have already taken over the media since actual people – even the most obsequious servile hacks – can no longer take the strain. I think that even George Monbiot and Owen Jones are actually dead from exploding mortification or gibberingly insane from a level of idiocy too intense even for them. And this was due to The Management demanding more and more excrement at a faster and faster rate. Well either these scribes are gone or they have gradually been replaced limb by limb with trans-human bits and pieces and are now bots themselves.
Talking out of their bots eh?
This is really not conjecture. Even the shitstream media reports on how their news articles are being increasingly written by “AI.” However, I would disagree with George Mc that the primary cause is a “red line” of increasing self-loathing by these miscreants.
Perhaps these miscreants were always bots?
flap doors are novice bots don’t exist you’ll never be champion unless you recognise such accolades are meaningless.
God, this bloody resident bot is hopeless by comparison. Only gobbledegook.