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Who Wants a Brain Machine Interface? An essay on tech-hype and the ethics of mind-reading

VN Alexander

I’ve never wanted to be able to control any of my devices with my thoughts.  I am perfectly happy to use a physical interface that I can turn off, let go of, or walk away from.  What about you?  Is your keyboard holding you back?  Is your mouse slowing you down?  Do you want to just think a post without having to thumb it in? Why is cyborgian tech being pushed so hard on us?

Did anyone ask for it? Does anyone need it?

In this essay, I will look at the ethicists who are raising concerns about Brain Machine Interface (BMI) technology, the projected utility of which would be the ability to swipe with your mind and to click with your brainwaves.  Frankly, I don’t see a demand for that, not even for paralyzed people, since we have brain-surgery-free interfaces, such as those used by Stephen Hawking.  Also, do we really want our impulsive rage tweets instantly sent?

No, no, no. That’s not where this tech is going. Nobody wants BMI to perform ordinary tasks in a new way, especially not if it means wearing some weird helmet all day or getting brain surgery. The carrot and stick here is the promise of enhanced mental abilities.

There seems to be a coordinated fearmongering campaign to convince us that, any moment now, transhumaned AI cyborg legions will out-perform us mentally. So everybody is going to have to get a BMI just to keep up. Unfortunately, when we do this, our brains will be readable to anyone with the right software, and we won’t be able to distinguish between our own decisions and those that are implanted in our heads via wireless devices.

Neuroethicists are suggesting that we have to act fast, maybe even rewrite our Constitutions!

I find that their new neurorights suggestions are designed, not to protect us so much as to limit the ways in which we may be violated for the greater good.  Neuroethicists are wolves in sheep’s clothing.  Let’s see if you agree with my assessment.

For the larger context, let’s first look at what’s known as the “Trolley Problem” in the field of ethics. Suppose a man is operating the switch station in a trainyard.  If a runaway train trolley is about to plow into five workers on a track, is he morally obligated to pull the lever to reroute the trolley so that it only kills a single worker on another track?

You may notice that I have made a significant change to the standard image, this one lifted from Wikipedia, depicting this dilemma.  My switchman is not acting under his own agency. He is a representative of government, acting according to some policy or standard procedure. That’s why he is pictured with a government building behind him.  This change changes everything. According to protocol, he has to kill one guy to save five.

But when actions are automated, there is no agency, and therefore, what the man does cannot be described as choosing to act ethically. Old-time ethicists, for example Aquinas or Kant, argued that morality flows from the agent who freely decides the action, but today, the idea that an individual has the responsibility (not the freedom, not the right, but the responsibility) to choose between right or wrong has all but disappeared from the discussion of ethics.

Jose Munoz is with the Mind-Brain group in Spain, he is also at Harvard Medical and a few other really important places. Reviewing the work of a colleague, Nita Farahany, he sums up the approach of today’s neuroethicists to a T.  He argues that we need to “establish guidelines for neural rights.” (Guidelines, that sounds gentle, but I wonder if they will have the kind of power of the CDC guidelines, which were implemented with all the force of law).

Munoz says there needs to be discussion between academics, governments, corporations and the public. (I wonder who is going to be doing all the talking in the discussion?)  He says “citizens” must be guaranteed access to their data. (Okay, I have to jump through some hoops to find out what data has been collected on me without my knowledge or consent, and then what?)

I note the use of the word “citizens” instead of human beings or people.

He doesn’t want us to forget that, as citizens, we are subjects of a state.  He also believes “a literacy around such data must be cultivated,” which is a weaselly way of saying people need to be told what to think about data collection.  When were people asked to agree to data collection? The possibility of refusing to allow any data to be collected at all is not on this menu of ethical policies.

Nowadays, ethicists seem to just assume that ultimately the state needs to make those decisions about ethics—based on consensus, of course. So that’s okay because it’s a democratic loss of agency. Soon AI will be optimizing those decisions for us, we’re told. The individual human being has become a mere instrument through which someone else’s “ethical” choices are executed.  This is not ethical. This is dangerous.

We can adapt the trolley problem to the question of whether or not the individual ought to make personal sacrifices for the good of society. The illustration below shows the kind of logic that says people ought to risk their lives in war for the good of their country, or take a vaccine that carries some risk because it is necessary for herd immunity.

In this essay, I will not argue that the individual has the right to be selfish and decide not to make personal sacrifices for the supposed good of others. That’s not why we must value individual responsibility over the collective good.  We value individual responsibility because, if individuals are compelled, coerced or bribed to make sacrifices for the collective good, there is a grave danger that the entity that has the power to mandate policy could use that power to harm, unintentionally or intentionally.

At least when individual responsibility is granted, more brains are applied to problems and more opportunities will exist to find good solutions. Do we really want to wage war?  Are vaccines actually safe and effective?  Moreover, the mistakes an individual may make are usually confined to a small circle.  The mistakes a policymaker makes affect the entire population.

After a three-year nightmare, in which Mistakes were Not Made—to reference Margaret Anna Alice’s poem by that title, accusing the “philanthropaths” and other leaders of intentional democide—we ought to be skeptical of any “ethicists” asking for more sacrifices from us to further policymakers’ notions of a greater good.  As far as C0vlD goes, the consensus is developing that they got everything wrong: the lockdowns, masking and isolation, withholding early treatment and repurposed drugs, and promoting an experimental vaccine.

Lately, we are hearing quite a lot about the need to redefine human rights as the societal landscape adapts to new technologies that are changing what it means to be human. Claims are being made that a new “Transhumanism Ethics” is needed to save us from the dangers of hackers or governments and corporations who may want to employ AI to read our thoughts and control our minds.

Ienca and Andorno, authors of “Towards a New Human Rights in the Age of Neuroscience and Neurotechnology,” note how much information is collected on internet users now, and they assume that new technology will collect brain data too. These are the kinds of ethical considerations they ponder:

“For what purposes and under what conditions can brain information be collected and used? What components of brain information shall be legitimately disclosed and made accessible to others? Who shall be entitled to access those data (employers, insurance companies, the State)? What should be the limits to consent in this area?”

They do not even mention the more obvious argument that any online data collection could be considered a violation of privacy.  Strangely, the first right they discuss in this paper is the right of individuals to decide to use emerging neurotechnologies. In their discussions, it is also assumed that the new technologies will do what they’re advertised to do. No discussions about the need for long-term studies or testing for possible technology blunders.  We should recall that the Emergency Use Authorization for the C0vld vaccine was justified because it was said that people should have the right to use untested technology if they want.

In her discussion of neurorights being pushed in Chile, Whitney Webb notes that the poor and disenfranchised are being ushered to the front of the BMI trial volunteer line.

I happen to think that adults should be able to opt-in for new, possibly dangerous, therapies, get double D breast implants, commit suicide, do heroin, work as prostitutes or castrate themselves, if they freely choose to. But I don’t think it’s ethical to encourage or enable anyone to commit self-harm. An ethical society generally tries to help people see they may have other options. We don’t want to encourage people to take risks, certainly not unnecessary ones.

Ienca and Andorno also inform us that…

Most human rights, including privacy rights, are relative, in the sense that they can be limited in certain circumstances, provided that some restrictions are necessary and are a proportionate way of achieving a legitimate purpose. In specifically dealing with the right to privacy, the European Convention on Human Rights states that this right admits some restrictions ‘for the prevention of disorder or crime, for the protection of health or morals, or for the protection of the rights and freedoms of others’ (Art. 8, para 2).”

This sounds like Europeans do not have privacy rights; they have privileges that may be withdrawn any time the state deems it necessary.

It is well-known that godzillionaire Elon Musk, forsaking his pretensions to Libertarianism, wants government regulations on AI, even as he is hyping his invasive Neuralink AI tech, to be irreversibly implanted in human brains in order to read them.  So far the test primates haven’t fared so well, and the Fall 2022 Show & Tell was underwhelming in the extreme. One problem, among the many they’ve had, was that the primate’s brainwave patterns for a particular letter that AI learned on one day, morphed into a different pattern five or six days later.

Way back when, Heraclitus already understood that we never step into the same river twice. All biological processes are dynamic and ever in flux, especially emergent brainwaves; they have to be because the world is too.  Living beings must keep changing just to stay more or less the same. Computer algorithms, not even Deep Learning ones, are not as plastic as brainwaves.

Since the time of that cringy Show & Tell, Neuralink has been denied permission to prey upon human subjects, for the time being.  But I doubt that this will prevent the bad money that has been thrown at this technology from attracting more good money.  The investors have to make their pump money back before they dump. The FDA will come around.

I am not against technological transhumany progress that helps people overcome hardships. Bionic arms are awesome and even limb regeneration sounds like a great idea to pursue, carefully. But something is not right with this discussion of BMI tech and neurorights.

This year, Nita Farahany, Professor of Law and Philosophy, and self-described Nueroethicist at Duke University, has been promoting her new book, The Battle for Your Brain: Defending the Right to Think Freely in the Age of Neurotechnology, which defends nothing of the sort. In this book, she is not giving guidance to help people make the best ethical decisions for themselves and their families. She is trying to sell ethical norms to be imposed on us all.

In her book, and in a talk at a World Economic Forum meeting at Davos, Farahany opines with a forked tongue.  For example, while initially defending the idea of mental privacy and “cognitive liberty” (Oh, brother, do they have to make up such awkward new terms?), she quickly concedes that it is not an absolute right—because, after all, one of the most basics things we do as humans is try to understand what our fellow humans are thinking. We must strike a balance, Farahany argues, between individual and societal interests. That means the policymakers get to decide which rights you need to give up.

For instance, she says it might be a good idea to make truckers wear EEG devices to monitor fatigue, for the collective good. If they fall asleep at the wheel, they could potentially kill five or six people. Can I suggest instead that truckers be paid reasonably well for the job they do, so that they don’t want to drive longer than eight hours per day?  Alternatively, can we make our political representatives submit to constant surveillance of all their emails and phone calls and even in-person conversations?  Because their decisions could potentially kill millions of people.

Farahany praises personal devices that monitor biological data for their potential to give workers quantitative data about their performance so that they can make “informed self-improvements.” The fact that FitBits are so popular, she claims, indicates that people are enthusiastic about being monitored and scored. But I am pretty sure Amazon warehouse workers are not clamoring for neurofeedback devices that will help them be more profitable for the stockholders.

Coerced monitoring and bogus quantitative assessment is unethical, I think.

Farahany concedes that such monitoring ought to be voluntary and believes that employees will want to accept these devices for self-improvement.  Today, we have something similar with auto insurance; people get lower rates if they agree to be monitored while driving.  But whenever there is a reward offered for sacrificing privacy, it is not ethical.  It is coercive.  The poor will more likely submit than the wealthy.

Is monitoring employee performance even helpful?

As Yagmur Denizhan argues in “Simulated Education and Illusive Technologies,” when people are put into situations where they are judged by points earned—not by more general and holistic qualitative evaluations—the crafty ones quickly focus on gaming the system so that they can earn more points, with less effort and lower quality work.  But Farahany never questions the assumption that subjecting employees to negative and positive feedback will be good for productivity.

Meanwhile, the fearmongering propaganda keeps coming thick and fast.

I looked up the research mentioned in this Vox article.  The Facebook project is at the University of California, San Francisco. The study involved three participants who already had electrodes implanted in their brains, as part of preparation for neurosurgery to treat seizures.

In order to come up with their algorithm to read people’s thoughts, the scientists had to train the AI, which they could do, thanks to the implant that gave them an image of brain patterns. They asked the patients questions and modeled their answer patterns using AI. In this experiment, the context of the thoughts was well-defined. For example, the subjects were asked, “How is your room?” and they had limited responses such as, “cold,” “hot,” or “fine.”

After reading about these alleged tech miracles, it seems to me that the claim that this new interface could “pick up thoughts directly from your neurons and translate them into words” is bit of an exaggeration.  The subjects had electrodes in their heads and the accuracy of the AI, with intense focused training, was 60% at best.

The half dozen neuroethicists that I read preparing for this essay, including Farahany, insist that technologies already exist that have to power to decode our thoughts and control them. The tech they mention as examples are EEG, fMRI and Deep Brain Stimulation.  I followed their links to dozens of studies and then read the cited studies, as if I were on a scavenger hunt, and I was again and again underwhelmed by the actual results.

With an EEG device you can pick up patterns that, if decoded, might give you some sense of the subject’s emotional state. Are you picking up gamma waves or alpha waves? Is the subject focused, or in a dream state, anxious or relaxed?

In her WEF talk mentioned above, Farahany helpfully gives this graphic of different faces to illustrate the different emotional states that an EEG device might detect.  Why not just look at the subject’s face to read her emotion?  Because people, like Winston Smith, might try to conceal their feelings and our Oligarchs don’t want that?

EEGs do not read minds. This is hype, maybe to attract investment. That’s my least cynical guess about their motivations. I believe R&D departments are hoping that—if they can just get people to wear EEG devices while online, and also record what kinds of tasks they are performing—they can begin to match tasks to EEG patterns using AI.  Good luck with that. As a non-invasive device for picking up brain patterns, EEG doesn’t provide good data. You just can’t tell much from it at all.

Let’s take a look at fMRI. That’s very specialized machinery that is only found in hospitals, and overexposure carries with it some risks. Right now it’s the only tool that can view your brain activity in 3D (one micro slice at a time) to get a sense of the patterns your brain makes when you’re thinking about specific things or doing specific tasks.

According to a 2007 study by Haynes et al., “Reading Hidden Intentions in the Human Brain,” still widely cited by neuroethicists, the researchers put eight subjects into fMRI machines and recorded the changes in brain patterns as they were presented with two numbers and told to decide whether or not to add them or subtract them.  When they decided which of the two operations to perform, the brain patterns were analyzed by AI until it found a difference between the decisions.  After this training period, the researchers tested their AI model. They were able to tell which choices the subjects had made, whether to add or subtract, with an accuracy of about 20% better than a random guess.

Mind you, this is a situation in which all other possible thoughts and decisions were intentionally suppressed, and the subjects were focusing only on one simple choice.  20% better than random does not impress me, especially given the highly artificial circumstances.  Since we don’t have a safe way to monitor people’s thoughts all day to train AI, and most of us do not spend much time in fMRI machines, I’d say we’re pretty safe from the threat of mind-reading, for the moment at least.

Let’s look at Deep Brain Stimulation.

DBS is being used mainly to treat motor diseases like Parkinson’s Disease. It sends electrical impulses deep within the brain and researchers are trying to make it so that the patient can alter the amount and time of the impulses. There is some indication that it may do some good.  DBS is also being studied to treat Obsessive Compulsive Disorder, depression, addiction, and pain. But as the Michael J. Fox Foundation for Parkinson’s Research warns DBS may partially alleviate some conditions, but side effects include thinking and memory problems.

This device repurposes old heart pacemaker technology.  That monitor in the image above is actually implanted inside the person’s body. The cable runs up inside the neck, and the electrode is like a nail coated in polyurethane, which tends to cause inflammation.  Reading this 2020 review in Nature Neurology, I gathered that the effectiveness DBS is hard to assess. The exact placement of the electrode is crucial but hard to determine, and the mechanism of action, if there is benefit, is not well understood. It does not seem to me that this invasive device should have passed a bioethics review board.

My impression is that this tech is mainly investigatory and experimental. Expanding its applications beyond use in elderly persons with severe Parkinson’s Disease does not seem warranted.  In this review, none of these ethical concerns were brought up. They do mention, however, that next-generation BDS devices are being designed as WiFi controllable so that patients won’t need that horrible monitor implant. But this will make patients vulnerable to “brainjacking,” and hackers could manipulate emotive states.

Let’s hope that the new wireless form of DBS is not widely applied for the treatment of mere depression or OCD.

So to conclude, it does seem not true that we are on the verge of developing technology that will enable people to read our minds or that will allow AI to control our thoughts. We’re not there yet.  Not even close.  So the question arises, Why are these ethicists campaigning for new guidelines for non-existent threats?  Why aren’t they talking about protecting individuals from the already existing threat of loss of privacy online?

I fear that BMIs are being pushed for reasons similar to those that allowed the experimental vaccine to be rolled out. Researchers wanted to test out gene therapy techniques on a huge population in order to move that field forward.

Likewise, I think, the public is being prepared to be eager to test out BMI in order to move that field forward. How could anyone okay such a plan?  Even if it were for the greater good of humanity to rush forward into the transhuman future, do we want to sacrifice a lot of individuals without full, informed consent to get there?

Unfortunately today, “ethics” are determined by the powerful, and imposed on the people. What if, instead, the individual had the right and the responsibility to make all ethical decisions and suffer the consequences or reap the benefit? I haven’t offered that many opinions about whether or not this or that action is ethical or not.  I’ve mainly focused on the idea that ethical decisions, about what individuals are willing to risk, should never be imposed by other, more important, people.

In fact, I’m starting to question all so-called “regulation” by government agencies. It seems that all ethical guidelines and safety regulations “for the greater good” might just be ways of legalizing potential harm to the individual for the benefit of the few.

V.N. Alexander, PhD is a lecturer at IPAK-EDU, and she’s thinking about teaching her course on Transhumanism topics again in the Fall of 2023. You can read more of her work on her subStack.

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veraling
veraling
May 5, 2023 10:34 AM

Anti Christian.
Brain Machine Interface is the Mark of the Beast.

Susan
Susan
May 5, 2023 9:26 AM

Have a look at Mary Lou Jepsen who claimed, four years ago, to be on the brink of being able to use lasers in devices to read thoughts. Ever have an ad from Facebook seem like it was plucked directly from your brain? It was.

Howard
Howard
May 5, 2023 3:31 PM
Reply to  Susan

Don’t know about that; but I do know Windows 10 listens to what you say as well as monitoring what you watch. I’ve mentioned this before: I was talking with my sister on the phone about a certain property in Galax, Virginia; the address was 104 Morning View, Galax, VA.

When I went to look up the property, all I typed in was “104” – and the rest popped up! What are the odds of that happening? Of all the “104” addresses in the US, the very one I was looking for popped up!

Visitor from Nomansland
Visitor from Nomansland
May 5, 2023 3:09 AM

…then they came for Tucker. One must grant him a certain strength of character, considering all the dependencies in which he inevitably became entangled in these circles. At some point, the freedom-loving Americans must wake up and realize that their right to their own culture of opinion is being systematically undermined, robbed and destroyed.

To proclaim the “truth” in any forum under anonymous names costs nothing at all. That is “free courage”! These people have enormous financial freedom, but not the fraction of “freedom of speech” that you may claim for yourself! Think about it! Btw., I am far from wanting to “rehabilitate” Carlson for his incomprehensible idiotic rhetorical failures, just to be clear!

In other words, these people have a lot to lose from the reputation and wealth they have built up. The justified question nevertheless is extremely appropriate whether certain exposed representatives are brought exactly into the position by certain circles from which they have to lose just a lot (and more than all others!) and become with it quasi “automatically” corruptible and blackmailable for the self-proclaimed “opinion elite”?

Visitor from Nomansland
Visitor from Nomansland
May 5, 2023 3:08 AM

Hello, dear commentators: I didn’t expect so much encouragement, so thank you to each of you personally!

Brand new, but so far only in German: https://www.amazon.com.au/George-Soros-Krieg-Foundations-Weltkriegs/dp/3864459354

George Soros’ war: How the Open Society Foundations brought the world to the brink of World War III

The Billionaire, the Ukraine War and the German Media

Since 1990, George Soros has invested over $32 billion in building a worldwide network of non-governmental organizations (NGOs), universities, media and think tanks that influence the press, judiciary and politics.

As of 2000, he had amassed so much power through this network that he even managed to overthrow governments through so-called “color revolutions.”

The Billion-Dollar Business with the Ukraine Conflict

Together with the Obama administration, Soros-affiliated activists and NGOs contributed to an overthrow in Ukraine in 2014. Since then, war has raged in eastern Ukraine.

Yet the conflict bears many signs of a dispute between two oligarchs: George Soros and Vladimir Putin. The enmity between the two men dates back to George Soros’ involvement in Russia in the 1990s, when he referred to the former Soviet empire as the “Soros Empire.”

In 2020, the same Soros-affiliated forces that were responsible for the Maidan overthrow back in 2014 returned to the White House in the person of Joe Biden: U.S. Secretary of State Antony Blinken, National Security Adviser Jake Sullivan, and Deputy Secretary of State Victoria Nuland.

Since then, the conflict over Ukraine has escalated to the largest military confrontation in Europe since World War II. From the beginning, Soros-linked German media and German politicians have not been neutral observers of this conflict.

Bought mainstream: the “propaganda avalanche”

Collin McMahon uses the example of the German mainstream media to show impressively how strong the influence of George Soros is. With $131 million at last count, he sponsored 253 media companies worldwide. His media network includes ARD, Spiegel and Süddeutsche Zeitung. McMahon illustrates not least how strongly the “public broadcasters” are interspersed with Soros confidants. Countless prominent journalists and entertainers are directly connected to Soros NGOs. And so it is no wonder that ARD and ZDF constantly feature “experts” who belong to Soros organizations.

Collin McMahon shows how it could come so far, who is behind it and who profits from it. He substantiates his extensive research with 678 sources.

https://de.zxc.wiki/wiki/Collin_McMahon

Rhys Jaggar
Rhys Jaggar
May 4, 2023 11:30 PM

Ask Christian ‘elders’ you know whether they participate in unconsented electronic surveillance networks. That’s a very very unchristian thing to do you know, violating someone’s privacy. There’s no excuse about ‘being senior’: being senior in current life involves embracing unacceptable power behaviours and then finding a way to lie in public about it.

There’s lots of Christians who act in very hierarchical power-driven ways, then spout BS about ‘praying to God’. Always, always always put the way they behave to fellow humans 100 times higher than their abstract prattling on about the Bible or prayer.

Paul Vonharnish
Paul Vonharnish
May 4, 2023 2:28 PM

The “elite” seem to have neglected a minor flaw in their AI reasoning: >

Artificial Intelligence And The Billionaires
August 19, 2022
Artificial Intelligence And The Billionaires – YouTube

The Coming Revolution
The Coming Revolution
May 4, 2023 8:31 PM

It is not a minor flaw: Any one-sided development pursued to its last consequences, because it neglects other sides ends up undermining it’s own development.

This so called self-learning “artificial intelligence” would be programmed to control the less intelligent, the insufficiently perspicacious as one commenter put it, the “useless eaters’ among us. In making sure these “intelligent” devices self-update their definition of what it means to be “useless eater”, “unproductive”, and so forth, a moment shall arrive where the so-called elite would be classified in that category sabotaging their initial plan.

This is what the dialectical movement is, so unfortunately misperceived and decried by many.

wardropper
wardropper
May 4, 2023 1:05 PM

If Deep Brain Stimulation is already a thing, we can certainly bet on its having been deliberately used on some of the people we see in our daily lives – even if it’s only on TV – in order to achieve some enhancement of their sensory faculties, or other advantage.

We live in a time when people say that anybody with money can get into Harvard, quite apart from the fact that some examination papers are known to have been written by robots.
There are actual families in which success is so much more important than anything else that cheating is not considered wrong. So why would people with the money and access to such technology not use it?

We must face the fact that they ARE using it, and it’s probably good training for us to try and spot them.
The spectacle of a robot trying to be human really ought to embarrass the whole human race, and I take heart from something I read recently, to the effect that nothing concerning corrupt government will improve until people are embarrassed by what they see their ‘representatives’ doing.

Being so focused recently upon the need to inform people as to what is going on, I hadn’t actually seen ’embarrassment’ as a useful tool before, but I’m beginning to see the sense in it now.
Surely anybody who has archived some of the political TV footage of the last few decades must have some excruciating examples in their collections somewhere…

Just think what it would be like if the MSM regularly replayed some of that material…
– which of course tells us exactly why they don’t do that.

les online
les online
May 4, 2023 12:36 AM

Grok. To understand profoundly through intuition or empathy. (Dictionary)…
To Grok > to interface with water ?

Veda Austin shares some videos of ‘interfacing’ with water:
https://www.vedaaustin.com/videos

Grok On !!

NixonScraypes
NixonScraypes
May 3, 2023 10:53 PM

Slave bait.

Human values
Human values
May 3, 2023 10:52 PM

Machines can’t read our thoughts or control our mind.

People control machines. What has been made by people can be destroyed by people. And machines do not think. It is impossible for them to do so, ever.

Machines are not better than people. Machines are mere tools that people use. If the machine is used for good, it is acceptable. If the machine is used for evil, to harm people, it cannot be accepted by the people. Let’s remember what people are: wise.

Every human child is wiser than all the machines combined.

Man can never create a machine that is even slightly alive, able to think, feel, have ethics and moral, own a conscience, be conscious.  

Howard
Howard
May 4, 2023 3:26 AM
Reply to  Human values

“If the machine is used for evil, to harm people, it cannot be accepted by the people. Let’s remember what people are: wise.”

If only this were true. But I’m afraid one word proves otherwise: guns. Except for money, I can’t think of a single thing given as much acceptance as guns.

Matt
Matt
May 4, 2023 7:21 AM
Reply to  Howard

If “Guns don’t kill, people do,” the same applies likewise equally to everything, no?

Howard
Howard
May 4, 2023 3:44 PM
Reply to  Matt

Guns do kill. People are just the trigger pullers.

Stop The Prison Mentality
Stop The Prison Mentality
May 4, 2023 6:10 PM
Reply to  Howard

Inanimate objects and harmless as such, for the most part. It’s some of the cunts that control them that are the problem.

Guns, mobile phones and pillows are all the same when left alone.

Howard
Howard
May 5, 2023 3:55 PM

Mobile phones actually emit and receive emf rays even when turned off. As many in this forum have said, the battery must be removed in order to completely turn it off.

Even more basic, a piece of plutonium sitting on your dresser might not be the best idea.

MolecCodicies
MolecCodicies
May 5, 2023 5:50 AM
Reply to  Howard

Take away the government’s guns.

sandy
sandy
May 3, 2023 9:09 PM

Omg. No wonder msm is not discussing the possible scenarios of AI/transumanism. These discussions are crucial. And when “ethicists” are so obviously towing the company line just as the “experts” of the viral LOCKDOWN was executed, without any ethics at all. This is automated, plausible deniability totalitarianism.

We can see here how AI decision making is being used as an attempt to automate a defacto 1% ruling class decision making to centralize individual thought and behavior under their dictated limits. And we can see “ethicists” are towing the line of privileged class conformity by acting as agents for the “employers” which the 1% are. Just a simple scenario of outcomes reveals a totalitarianism of absolute social incarceration. Media, agents of the 1% and it’s hidden agendas, sells us only the potential empowering aspects and omits a full vetting of the downsides which as far as i can tell are 99% of scenarios.

I have two suggestions for policy limits to AI design and use.

Any implementation of an AI device, virtual or physical, must be:
1) Bolted to a floor and cannot have locomotion, and;
2) No use of, or connectivity to, any non-wired, RF, etc., communications, including speech.

wardropper
wardropper
May 3, 2023 10:05 PM
Reply to  sandy

Good luck with that.
It’s already to late.
All the necessary patents and indemnities have been purchased.

wardropper
wardropper
May 4, 2023 1:47 AM
Reply to  wardropper

too late – sorry.

I’ve joined the increasing numbers of the guilty on that one.
Perhaps it’s something to do with typing, rather than writing…

Howard
Howard
May 4, 2023 3:30 AM
Reply to  wardropper

I noticed that; but didn’t wish to hoist you on it. I do think though it has very much to do with typing, not spelling.

The strange thing is, when I type I make certain mistakes – and now I’ve noticed others making these same mistakes. Is it great minds mistaking alike? Or is it creeping algorithmitis?

wardropper
wardropper
May 4, 2023 12:44 PM
Reply to  Howard

It is interesting.

I once even caught myself typing “there” a while back, when I meant, “their”.
It’s an error that makes me angry, since the two meanings are so different, but, there I was, doing it myself…

I can only think it’s something to do with the automatic processes involved in rapid touch-typing (which I learned rather late in life), but the cure is, of course, to look at what one has typed before clicking on “Post Comment”…

Howard
Howard
May 4, 2023 3:54 PM
Reply to  wardropper

I learned typing long before the computer age; so I’ve been at it approximately 61 years. My first job was as a clerk-typist with the Civil Service. I mention that because in those days if you made a typo, you had to re-type the whole damned thing. So believe me I learned to type very carefully.

Maybe it’s because I’m a lot older now; or maybe it’s because it’s so easy to make corrections – but either I’ve gotten really careless or else Windows 10 whispers sweet errors directly into my brain. And my fingers have started taking their orders from Microsoft!

correspondencecommitttee
correspondencecommitttee
May 3, 2023 8:29 PM
Erik Nielsen
Erik Nielsen
May 6, 2023 9:49 PM

When we reach 10G the techniques have improved by Science through millions of experiments handled by a quantum computer and AI experience.
Dont you want to be a better person?

paul
paul
May 3, 2023 8:07 PM

There have been drone attacks on the Kremlin and trains derailed in Russia. Iran has seized another two tankers. Things are hotting up. We could wake up and suddenly find ourselves in a real, multi front war.

Lizzyh7
Lizzyh7
May 4, 2023 12:12 AM
Reply to  paul

We are already there. Wars. Plagues. Stone cold psychopaths in charge. People who want so badly to believe the ones in charge aren’t psychopaths they believe all the pretty words. Vaccines that kill. Mandates. Famine. Censorship of even the ability to question, much less to truly get to the truth. A populace who do not care about any of these things as long as the “normal” can continue. We are in a war alright, and it is indeed multi-fronted. Now add in a few more bots, a little mind control, and more culling of the herd, rampant dumbing down and apathy, and it appears we are losing the war. If we ever had any hope of winning it.

paul
paul
May 4, 2023 1:18 PM
Reply to  Lizzyh7

I mean a real war, apart from all the current garbage you have listed. It’s coming.

Lizzyh7
Lizzyh7
May 4, 2023 5:04 PM
Reply to  paul

I know. I couldn’t help myself. But I hear you. I put nothing past the freaks who are running the show. While there are times I wonder about them lobbing nukes, I also tend to wonder now if they would even need to? All they really have to do is use some kind of EMP device, knock out the entire grid, and then tell people it was a nuke so we all hunker down in our basements waiting for the fallout and thinking everything is destroyed when it might not be in reality. After seeing how well the covidiocy worked for them, they never needed to prove one damned thing and people believed it all, I do wonder how real any of their wars really need to be.

Who knows.

Paul Vonharnish
Paul Vonharnish
May 4, 2023 2:10 PM
Reply to  Lizzyh7

Hello Lizzyh7: I think it’s interesting that the concept of peace has morphed into the brief moment which follows a cease-fire.

It’s no wonder the “elite” want to cull 7 billion people, when those 7 billion have been reduced to conflicted drones and idiot bots… Artificial intelligence seems to be based on human forms of intelligence. Therein lays the rub…

Howard
Howard
May 4, 2023 3:58 PM
Reply to  paul

It’s interesting that you get a downvote for saying there could be a war. See, the consensus here is that it’s all Play Skool, so there’s no chance it’ll lead to anything other than central bank digital currency.

Human values
Human values
May 6, 2023 12:59 PM
Reply to  Howard

What consensus? There’s no consensus here – that’s just your imagination. And from one downvote, you can’t reasonably even imagine anything. For such a consensus to exist that is in your head, you should be able to read everyone’s thoughts. You can’t do that. As you or anyone else is not God, able to not only know everyone’s thoughts but to affect them, all you’ve got is guesswork and speculation.

Next time use logic. It never fails.

el Gallinazo
el Gallinazo
May 3, 2023 6:46 PM

It appears that Mr. Alexander’s last paragraph indicates that in the “final analysis,” like myself, he is at heart an anarchist, which means that no self-selected group referred to as government (govern the mind) have rights and god-like powers beyond individuals at large. As Corbett’s research indicates, anarchism is not a recipe for utopia, and with everyone currently so fucked up by the psychopaths running the planet for millennia, it might take a few generations to shed our mistake inducing trauma. But in the end, sovereign adults make the best choices for themselves and for the total population also.

Howard
Howard
May 3, 2023 10:17 PM
Reply to  el Gallinazo

Sorry to nitpick; but you should have read the thumbnail biographical blurb at the end. It would seem V. M. Alexander is a woman and not a man (hope the Woke Nazis won’t read this blunt statement of gender).

Junious Ricardo Stanton
Junious Ricardo Stanton
May 3, 2023 6:11 PM

“EEGs do not read minds. This is hype, maybe to attract investment. That’s my least cynical guess about their motivations. I believe R&D departments are hoping that—if they can just get people to wear EEG devices while online, and also record what kinds of tasks they are performing—they can begin to match tasks to EEG patterns using AI. Good luck with that. As a non-invasive device for picking up brain patterns, EEG doesn’t provide good data. You just can’t tell much from it at all.”
The plutocrats are already investing in this type of technology. They are using taxpayer dollars, profits from their control of the drug trade, off book funds from their proprietary investment company In-Q-Tel, their mad scientist military entity DARPA and its medical version offshoots https://thehill.com/opinion/healthcare/550975-why-american-medicine-needs-its-own-darpa/ to fund this technology.
The mind control apparatus is promoting this stuff along with gene editing, transhumanism, accelerationism, LGBTQ+ et.al. on the unsuspecting masses as part of their depopulation and human augmentation agendas. To succeed they have to kill off the older folks who will resist their “mark of the beast” technology and pump up the alleged benefits of the implants. But they will have to find a way to short circuit the human body’s natural rejection of foreign and alien implants/devices. So right away their brain implants will have to bypass or negate part of the immune system functions.
They probably will ramp up another “crisis” to panic and dupe the masses to go along with their agenda. They are playing god and like a lot of their recent insane initiatives, this too will blow up in their faces.

Howard
Howard
May 3, 2023 10:19 PM

Perhaps the mRNA clot shot is to rearrange the immune system so that implants will not be rejected?

Human values
Human values
May 3, 2023 10:56 PM
Reply to  Howard

They can’t rearrange our immune system. They can’t create viruses either. They can lie a lot, that’s what they’re masters at.  

Junious Ricardo Stanton
Junious Ricardo Stanton
May 4, 2023 9:17 PM
Reply to  Howard

The shots are causing great harm already. Aside from the fact the government is ignoring this reality; the issue is we are all unique so the kill shots will impact those who took them and the boosters differently depending on the age, gender, metabolism and general state of health or disease of the person.

mgeo
mgeo
May 4, 2023 7:55 AM

Academia including science is another industry in the service of capital, like the propaganda industry.

Junious Ricardo Stanton
Junious Ricardo Stanton
May 4, 2023 9:12 PM
Reply to  mgeo

Yes they are; the sooner we realize the system is thoroughly corrupt and degenerate the better we can plan ways to navigate it. Do not look to the government for help or the corporate media. There are no heroes on the horizon riding hard to save us. We are the ones; if we don’t do it, it will not get done! It begins on the micro level. The first step is to guard your mind against their menticide, their mind programming/entrainment and propaganda and filter the media your children and grandchildren are exposed to whether it is electronic or print. Be discerning and selective about the food you eat, read the labels don’t consume their Frankenfoods. Please don’t mindlessly cooperate with their genocidal agendas.

Martin Usher
Martin Usher
May 3, 2023 5:48 PM

The first and most obvious answer to the question “Who needs a Brain Machine Interface?” is “The Military”. The rest of us, not so much — most of us don’t go around processing time sensitive information from innumerable, widely scattered, sensors. If we’re disabled being able to assist or bypass the defect will be useful (we already do this with cochlea implants).

I think that the far more insidious development isn’t the technology but the rise of a self-appointed presthood who exist, they tell us, to protect us from the power that we have to fear. They’re really cut from the same cloth as the generic old school priesthood and are likely to develop into the same kind of human morass. So, just as its impossible for a person to find their personal God without buying into a powerful hierarchy to act as middlemen (a hierarchy that will control and exploit them, of course) none of us will be allowed to use powerful thinking machines because we need our priesthood to protect and guide us. Or, in short, “Do we humans ever learn anything?”

MehNotGreat
MehNotGreat
May 3, 2023 7:55 PM
Reply to  Martin Usher

Good luck getting your “personal god” to save you from eternal damnation.

Visitor from Nomansland
Visitor from Nomansland
May 3, 2023 4:10 PM

The French publicist and politician, Alexis de Tocqueville, recognized the true nature of our “democracy” almost 200 years ago when he wrote:

“In democratic republics, tyranny goes to work differently (than in despotisms); it goes directly to the mind. Here the ruler no longer says: ‘Either you think like me – or you die,’ but he says: ‘You have the freedom not to think like me, but from that day on you are a stranger among us. You will keep your citizenship, but it will no longer be of any use to you. You will dwell among men, but you will lose your rights to human intercourse’.”

He also spoke of democracy as the “tyranny of the majority.” I disagree with that to this extent: We are clearly dealing here with the tyranny of a very certain “minority” that sets all other minorities against us.

Pakistanicream
Pakistanicream
May 3, 2023 9:48 PM

Great comment. Alexis de Tocqueville must have been very intelligent.

Paul Vonharnish
Paul Vonharnish
May 3, 2023 3:51 PM

Reading thoughts? Erm… What for? If an AI tried to algorithm my brain patterns, the AI would explode into tiny fragments within seconds… It wasn’t easy to turn out the way I did…

I’ve read quite a number of papers related to AI/brain interfaces. This silly crap is pretty much a technicians technical wet dream without the K-Y lube…

Howard
Howard
May 3, 2023 3:19 PM

Of course all this nonsense can be dismissed as academic wet dreams…until 5G is factored in.

Even if the neuroscientists (the Romper Room kids all grown up) manage to come up with some workable device, how is a grown up kid in a cubicle in Seattle going to read somebody’s mind in, say, Crawford, Texas (as if anyone would wish to) using just a satellite and a pretty yellow button?

But if – no, not “if” but “when” – 5G gets all set up, it may just be possible to see exactly whether Mr. President George W. Bush’s mind serves any purpose other than a place setting for a 10-gallon hat.

Human values
Human values
May 3, 2023 10:59 PM
Reply to  Howard

No. 5G can do nothing. Fear not!

Howard
Howard
May 4, 2023 3:33 AM
Reply to  Human values

It’s already been proven to have serious health consequences – as, in fact, all emf related equipage has.

Human values
Human values
May 6, 2023 12:51 PM
Reply to  Howard

Since you’re one of those who believe air and water are terribly toxic and dangerous, what is it that you breathe and drink? Or is it just that you want to scare others from breathing and drinking while you yourself have no actual fear?

If the air and water are so toxic as you say, then everything else is too: food, soil, animals, vegetables. So how do you manage to stay alive?

Manjushri
Manjushri
May 4, 2023 3:58 PM
Reply to  Howard

Sony developed a basic neural link for the playstation which was then further developed by DARPA then given to Musk. 40Gbps is the data rate required for real-time neural link connection to a remote device such as a satellite. 5G bandwdith is typically in the range of 8-310Gbps.
Its obvious that the master plan objective is for us Borgs to play interactive shoot-em-up computer games without pressing any buttons 😐

Thomas L Frey
Thomas L Frey
May 5, 2023 3:50 PM
Reply to  Howard

They are already talking about 6G.

Visitor from Nomansland
Visitor from Nomansland
May 3, 2023 3:03 PM

The U.S. economy and industry are shrinking, and the majority of the population is impoverished. The moral standing of the superpower has diminished worldwide. But U.S. investors, military, intelligence and advisers are present in the European Union, more than ever. And governments and the leading media are complicit – especially in Germany.

Deregulation under Clinton had legalized new financial products and new Wall Street financial players such as hedge funds and private equity funds, and had also opened up a new area of operation for the very large capital organizers such as BlackRock, Vanguard and State Street: they did not found companies, but now bought and are buying up existing companies, exploiting them, merging them or splitting them up, slimming them down, destroying jobs, hiding private profits. They prefer not to pay taxes – in the USA they have their headquarters in the financial oasis of Delaware, and the EU has expanded the financial oasis of Ireland for them and offered the financial oases of Luxembourg and the Netherlands in bite-sized portions.

mgeo
mgeo
May 4, 2023 8:05 AM

The Greatest Country has the greatest number of people lacking jobs (or severly underpaid), homes, food, literacy, safety from crime and affordable medical care. It also has the largest number of slaves: prisoners working for their food and “lodging”.

Visitor from Nomansland
Visitor from Nomansland
May 3, 2023 3:02 PM

https://norberthaering.de/en/news/capitalists-of-the-21st-century/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Werner_R%C3%BCgemer

A few paragraphs from his articles: 9 of the top 10 Rheinmetall shareholders are based in the US, in this order: Harris Associates, Wellington, Capital World, Fidelity, LSV, Vanguard, BlackRock, Dimensional, BKF.But they have also been highly active in buying up renowned medium-sized companies for years.

In the meantime, more than 3,000 medium-sized companies from Germany alone are making larger sales in the U.S. than at their place of origin. BlackRock & Co quietly became the largest apartment owners in Germany. In all the largest housing groups (Vonovia, Deutsche Wohnen, LEG) in Germany, they are the main owners. They drive up rents and utility costs.

For example, BlackRock hides its 8.47 percent Vonovia shares in 158 shell companies in a dozen suitably selected financial havens. The fake structures are called, for example, BlackRock Delaware Holdings Inc, BlackRock Holdco 6 LLC, BlackRock Luxembourg Holdings S.a.r.l., BlackRock Asset Management Schweiz AG. And the “EU Commission” and the German Finance Ministers look on or rather look away.

From the beginning of the 2000s, “private equity” investors Blackstone, KKR, Cerberus, Carlyle & Co bought about 10,000 well-performing medium-sized companies in Germany alone until 2018, burdened them with loans, took profits, imposed wage freezes and layoffs, expelled works councils, sold off company real estate and, after two to a maximum of 8 years, sold the “slimmed-down” companies on to the next investors at a profit, with some succeeding in the even more lucrative IPO.

The transatlantic ownership nexus has never been as high as it is today and so dominated by U.S. capital organizers. In between, there are only individual investors from Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Sweden, Norway and China. BlackRock & Co are the dominant players in most of the EU’s leading banks and corporations.

BlackRock & Co collude with each other and form the dominant shareholder bloc. This is also facilitated by the fact that the next largest investors, such as Vanguard, State Street and Norges, are also shareholders in BlackRock. BlackRock & Co sell risk and market analysis to their companies and also own the U.S. rating agencies from which companies must buy their ratings for a few million each year.

BlackRock was tasked by Obama with handling the financial crisis, advising the Fed, as well as the ECB and major Western central banks. BlackRock is a co-owner of 17,000 companies, including Deutsche Bank, Commerzbank, Daimler, Siemens, VW, Rheinmetall, BAE Systems, RWE, Eon, etc., making it the biggest insider in the Western financial and economic world – no financial regulator or antitrust agency can match it.

BlackRock&Co don’t give a damn about national antitrust and stock corporation law in the EU. They don’t even waste their time on supervisory board positions. No important decisions are made in these rubber-stamper boards with the few well-behaved trade unionists. But the boards have to report regularly to Wall Street. “They’re making us show up,” Eon CEO Teyssen confided to Handelsblatt. BlackRock & Co never say anything at shareholder meetings. They remain invisible. They clear everything up in advance. “We can achieve more if we hold talks away from the public throughout the year,” Lawrence Fink told Handelsblatt.

The U.S. judiciary rules directly into (Western) European corporations. For years, they have to install high-ranking U.S. teams on the board of directors at their own expense and grant access to all internal information. In Germany, this applies to Commerzbank, Deutsche Bank, HypoVereinsbank, VW, Siemens, Bilfinger and Daimler.

At Daimler, the reason is to monitor all employees, including their salary accounts, for terrorism links. The U.S. investigators, who are paid by the company, can threaten Daimler employees with termination if they do not sufficiently comply with the duty to provide information. The state government of Baden-Württemberg and IG Metall also agreed.
At VW, the chief legal advisor to Pepsi Cola and ex-US Deputy Attorney General, Negro Larry Thompson, has headed a multi-member group of investigators at the Wolfsburg headquarters since 2017. VW pays “tens of millions of euros” per year for this, as the business press uncritically reports. The investigators will monitor the car company worldwide until 2020. All 30,000 employees in the USA were also interrogated. The reason for this was the “emissions fraud” in the US.

When General Electric wanted to buy the power plant division of the French Alstom Group, board member Frédéric Pierucci opposed it. With the help of an accusation that he had bribed a politician in Indonesia, he was arrested at New York airport in 2013, interrogated, not charged, but held hostage for two years in various U.S. prisons; prisoners were sent after him as FBI informers. After General Electric bought Alstom, Pierucci was released, on condition that he not be employed by Alstom. The European Commission approved the sale.

Pierucci summarizes: Since 2008, the U.S. has destabilized 14 Western European corporations, including 5 French ones, under fake pretexts to give advantages to U.S. corporations. By the way, Pierucci’s book “Le Piège Américain” (The American Trap) was not published in German, although – or because – it, written by a top manager, meticulously documents one of the US forms of domination over the EU, including the use of the NSA secret service.

Fake-“Germany” is the most densely occupied state in the world by a foreign power. About one and a half dozen U.S. military bases with worldwide networking into all U.S. theaters of war, mediation stations for drone assassinations. Revealing: The scientific service of the Bundestag stated: “We cannot say with certainty how many military bases the USA maintains in Germany, our inquiries in Washington remained unanswered.”

And the 10 U.S. military bases in Italy are not enough either: Kosovo was separated from Serbia in violation of international law so that the U.S. base Bondsteel, surrounded by poverty, is protected. And in addition to NATO, the U.S. operates some 16 U.S. military bases in the other EU states of Romania, Bulgaria, Greece, Spain, Hungary. For all the rhetoric for “European self-reliance” – the US occupation of the EU is not up for discussion.

The U.S. corporate consultants McKinsey & Co, the Big Four of U.S. business “auditors” with Price Waterhouse Coopers&Co, the U.S. business law firms Freshfields & Co, the Big Three of the U.S. rating agencies Standard & Poor’s & Co – they are all traditionally lobbyists for the corporations, and they have also become permanent state advisors in the EU, in Brussels and in Germany. They co-govern.

Accenture, with 400,000 highly paid academics the world’s largest consulting group, together with McKinsey trims the employment agency and the job centers so that the humiliated unemployed remain the largest obedient reserve army for the temporary employment industry, which in turn is led by the largest temporary employment agencies Adecco and Manpower, which of course, it has become so boring, are owned by BlackRock & Co.

mgeo
mgeo
May 4, 2023 8:16 AM

A useful update on GloboCap.

rechenmacher
rechenmacher
May 4, 2023 9:06 AM

Excellent!

Paul Vonharnish
Paul Vonharnish
May 4, 2023 2:24 PM

Hello Visitor from Nomansland: Yes. A gallant attempt at illuminating the picture, but no resolution is offered.

The corporate State is a social construct that has lived well past its sell-by date. It’s not civilians who need to be killed off. It’s the executive classes and the “hidden” corporate oligarchy that need to hang out to dry…

Let’s educate and employ more civilians in the manufacture of functional ropes and gallows…

Thomas Frey
Thomas Frey
May 3, 2023 2:31 PM

If we lived in a world with substantially moral people of good character, we would not be where we are. Ethics have been replaced by power and riches. No one asks “should we?” or seriously considers potential consequences.

What this article also misses, is that chips are just a tool to make mind control easier on a mass scale. Mind and behavior control is already implemented.

THE BRAIN IS THE BATTLEFIELD OF THE FUTURE – DR. JAMES GIORDANO
https://mwi.usma.edu/mwi-video-brain-battlefield-future-dr-james-giordano/

5th Generation Warfare

Pakistanicream
Pakistanicream
May 3, 2023 9:52 PM
Reply to  Thomas Frey

Exactly and that’s why the MK Ultra programme was initiated using imported German mind scientists.

Freecus
Freecus
May 3, 2023 1:37 PM

The children are most at risk, just look at the technology being pushed in early education.
Wearables, headsets & online “education” steered-pathways provide huge amounts of data that gets stored as a digital-twin profile.
Human-impact investing can then make predictive bets on the outcomes, like all securities there will be investors who will be ‘long’ and others betting on ‘short’ positions.
Checkout Alison McDowell’s blog for a deep-dive on this subject.

T.S.
T.S.
May 3, 2023 12:57 PM

The most amusing fact to me about this whole hype is that the technology needed for this crap to work is nowhere near working. The whole brain-machine interface falls flat as long as they do not get cells to communicate with chips in a reliable manner, which still after decades does NOT work, at least not in a usable way. Therefore it is all a big hype and a shipload of BS they are selling.

Sean Veeda
Sean Veeda
May 3, 2023 5:37 PM
Reply to  T.S.

That won’t stop them foisting it upon us. mRNA ‘vaccines’ are also nowhere near working.

Pakistanicream
Pakistanicream
May 3, 2023 9:54 PM
Reply to  T.S.

Japanese scientists used the large language model ChatGPT to decipher the scanned images of someone’s brain to figure out what images they had in their mind.

NixonScraypes
NixonScraypes
May 3, 2023 11:10 PM
Reply to  T.S.

That’s it- it’s not supposed to work. Just like government, which just there to derail natural human co operation. They just want us out of circulation….dead.

Johnny
Johnny
May 3, 2023 12:03 PM

If we could manage to kidnap the Suited Psychos and implant them with interfaces, harmony would reign.

Johnny
Johnny
May 3, 2023 11:52 AM

Sorry, off topic:

Moderna in the Texas courts.
Cross your fingers:

https://brownstone.org/articles/was-this-deceptive-trade-paxton-v-moderna/

dom irritant
dom irritant
May 4, 2023 1:15 PM
Reply to  Syppie

interesting, do not be put off as the article appears in english

STJOHNOFGRAFTON
STJOHNOFGRAFTON
May 3, 2023 11:35 AM

𝐀𝐈. The A stands for artificial. My God designed brain is all natural intelligence and works as God intended and as I appreciate and maintain with good health. I already have self control. For instance, I can control my blood pressure just by the way I am thinking. I am in charge of my thinking, not someone else via an electronic interface in my brain. Artificial intelligence via an artificial “brain machine interface” is what will be used to control brain neutered zombies who will be at the beck and call of their WEF cyber masters.

Victor G.
Victor G.
May 3, 2023 12:11 PM

Intelligence cannot be “artificial” … War cannot be peace … Lies are lies … no government on earth can afford to tell the Truth, not even once.

Howard
Howard
May 3, 2023 10:30 PM
Reply to  Victor G.

In the kind of world the psychos envision, ALL intelligence will be artificial – because everything intelligent will have been purged from human culture.

First they came for Dostoevsky; but I hated Russia so I said nothing. Then they came for Shakespeare; but I couldn’t tell anymore who he was so I said nothing.

And so on, until there’s nothing intelligible left to guide anyone toward real intelligence.

Human values
Human values
May 3, 2023 11:02 PM
Reply to  Howard

God is always there to guide everyone toward real wisdom. 

NixonScraypes
NixonScraypes
May 3, 2023 11:27 PM
Reply to  Howard

I just read J B Priestley Literature and Western Man. He has a very good take on Shakespeare as one man: himself. The colossal hubris of the immensely privileged aristocracy’s overweening conceit cannot imagine an iota of intelligence in anyone but themselves.

Howard
Howard
May 4, 2023 3:34 AM
Reply to  NixonScraypes

Amen!

Erik Nielsen
Erik Nielsen
May 6, 2023 9:52 PM
Reply to  Howard

Yes, they cant take ANY competition. They are gasblue when they see or hear anyone with spiritual human intelligence.

dom irritant
dom irritant
May 4, 2023 9:14 PM

one’s and zero’s phallic and yonic inverted A.nal I.ntrusion

Thom
Thom
May 3, 2023 11:26 AM

I wouldn’t worry about it. It is just hype. We’re still waiting for flying cars and a cure for cancer.

Johnny
Johnny
May 3, 2023 11:59 AM
Reply to  Thom

Oh for the good old days of the Jetsons.

Willem
Willem
May 3, 2023 10:45 AM

Sounds great.
Why not a lobotomy?

wardropper
wardropper
May 3, 2023 10:01 PM
Reply to  Willem

Complete removal of the head would be a more appropriate procedure in many cases.

mgeo
mgeo
May 4, 2023 8:20 AM
Reply to  wardropper

The ultra-wealthy dream of transferring their brains into healthy young bodies.

wardropper
wardropper
May 4, 2023 12:36 PM
Reply to  mgeo

That may well be.
I’m dreaming of something else, and money is no object for our dreams either.

NixonScraypes
NixonScraypes
May 3, 2023 11:28 PM
Reply to  Willem

That’s what it really is.

wardropper
wardropper
May 4, 2023 1:44 AM
Reply to  NixonScraypes

You’re missing my point.

Few of us here don’t know what a lobotomy literally is, but I am thinking more along the lines of a suitable deterrent for our tormentors.

Lobotomy is much too forgiving…

Johnny
Johnny
May 3, 2023 10:43 AM

So, we’re gonna have a Technocracy where we can be manipulated and mind controlled instantaneously, rather than the slow brainwashing method of schools, advertising, religions, the mass media and government propaganda.
Sounds like fun.
Who’s first?

Peter Mohan
Peter Mohan
May 3, 2023 10:41 AM

Be afraid.

Human values
Human values
May 3, 2023 11:04 PM
Reply to  Peter Mohan

Do not be afraid. Fear is the tool of the Devil.

Sara
Sara
May 3, 2023 10:16 AM

Brains???? What brains??? Brains capable of critical thinking? Where are they going to find them?

There’s a huge research industrial complex that needs to keep itself employed at all costs lest they finding themselves having to get a real job. Never mind ethics for magical future techologies, for now they need to convince us that all that money has been able to develop some scientific superpowers with all that money.

And I ask why? Six guys on a sailboat can somehow find a pipeline and blow it up. Vaccines can save people without adverse affects. The Chinese can spy on the US from a ….balloon. 19 guys can walk into the cockpit of a plane and fly it like a fighter jet pilot. Cancer has been cured.

The ballooning Regulation Industry (Global, National, State, Municipal) offers good career paths too, as long as you know which side your bread is buttered.

Sara
Sara
May 3, 2023 8:39 PM
Reply to  S Cooper

Haha! Appropriate.

futurist
futurist
May 3, 2023 10:07 AM

Who Wants a Brain Machine Interface?

what about if it is hear already. ??

Its happened 100s of times now.
I am crazy… 💃 
I been thinking (which is hard) of a Rucksack and amazingly Racksacks appears in the adverts on the laptop. 👀 
I then told a normal person and they thought I was crazy. 💃 

Normal person told me, They was talking about hotels and a certain hotel they visited years ago appeared in the google ads on there phone offering an amazing 25% off.

Explain that..?

Victor G.
Victor G.
May 3, 2023 12:14 PM
Reply to  futurist

Use a browser that easily allows you to wipe cookies and all the other crap in a single stroke. Do not give permission to any app to use your microphone or camera. Place a nice thick piece of dark masking tape over the all-seeing eye.

futurist
futurist
May 4, 2023 10:11 AM
Reply to  Victor G.

How did it read my mind then.? unless they have this tek already.

Another time I was thinking about wheel pumps and adverts came on for wheel pumps on youtube.

It has happened so many times.

Victor G.
Victor G.
May 4, 2023 12:24 PM
Reply to  futurist

When was the last time you cleared your browser of absolutely everything?
When signing on to google in Europe you can refuse all cookies. This must be done systematically, if possible.
Did you shut off your microphone?
Use one, separate email exclusively for friends and family. A different one for the bastards.
It is still possible to combat eavesdropping but it takes effort.

Victor G.
Victor G.
May 4, 2023 12:26 PM
Reply to  futurist

Also, be assured, at present no device can read your thoughts. Paranoia runs deep. In to your heart it will creep.

MehNotGreat
MehNotGreat
May 3, 2023 3:08 PM
Reply to  futurist

Your smartphone is always spying on you. It picked up the word hotel and fed it into the ad algo.

Victor G.
Victor G.
May 4, 2023 12:25 PM
Reply to  MehNotGreat

Use a dumb phone. They are still available.

Edwige
Edwige
May 3, 2023 10:06 AM

“the idea that an individual has the responsibility (not the freedom, not the right, but the responsibility) to choose between right or wrong has all but disappeared from the discussion of ethics.”

This is the very definition of technocracy – it’s not ‘rule by experts’ but ‘rule where the only valid knowledge is that gathered by the scientific method’. Empiricists can’t bean-count “ethics” so it has no place. Instead one gets monstosities like Utilitarianism which try to quantify “happiness” – and it’s obviously no coincidence the East India Company’s Jeremy Bentham also devised the panopticon. Who said “happiness” is the supreme value to the exclusion of all others anyway? It’s an ethical assumption in a system that claims to be ethics-free.

“Why is cyborgian tech being pushed so hard on us?”
One example that shows this isn’t distant scifi:
https://dumptheguardian.com/money/2023/apr/14/first-hands-free-self-driving-system-approved-for-british-motorways-ford-mustang
They quote the editor of Autocar: “It’s a good test of how much Britain’s drivers want this technology and are willing to pay for it. A lot of research shows people are pretty suspicious, and there’s a long journey to persuade people that they want it.” In other words, there’s no demand but it’s going ahead anyway – one sure marker of an agenda in play. They want to make money out of it but it’s sufficiently important to the planned future they’ll give it away if they have to. On a more modest note, I’ve also seen that manual gearboxes are going to be abolished so everyone will have to drive an automatic.

Much of this goes back to Jose Delgado, one of the original MK Ultra doctors. Delgado wrote a book about what he got up to so this isn’t a “conspiracy theory”.

Graham Greene
Graham Greene
May 3, 2023 9:15 AM

”Who Wants a Brain Machine Interface?”

Oooooh, can’t wait. just what I needed for a Christmas present.

wardropper
wardropper
May 3, 2023 10:00 PM
Reply to  Graham Greene

What this technology purports to do has nothing to do with thinking.
A thought doesn’t even come from a definable, measurable place, so where it ends up is hardly relevant.

Knee-jerk reactions, twitches, over-stimulated or under-stimulated areas of the brain – that all belongs to the same lunatic philosophy that thinks killing and dissecting things is going to teach us about ‘life’. These effects are not thoughts. They are the farts which thoughts leave behind.

Let’s reverse that for fun:

In the unlikely event that a scientist will one day create a living organism out of nothing (not cloned from a ready-made matrix), would any rational person expect that to teach him about death…?

Life and death, although two sides of the same coin, are nevertheless not the same thing.
A child somewhere out there really ought to be teaching a scientist that simple fact.

Our rabid lust for technological knowledge has outstripped our common sense by far, and there are dire consequences to that – a generous helping of which we are currently experiencing.

Howard
Howard
May 4, 2023 3:42 AM
Reply to  wardropper

This all began long before the technocrats crawled out of the woodwork. Science itself is the biggest scam, except for money, in human history.

All science presupposes Mathematics to be the basis of existence. Just as I reject a man with a white beard as God; so too do I reject an equation as God.

Human values
Human values
May 6, 2023 12:45 PM
Reply to  Howard

Science doesn’t assume anything like that. God is the basis of existence, the Necessity that has to be for anything to exist. Mathematics, as exact science, knowledge based on logic and experience, comes from God. Of course, all knowledge always comes from All-Knowledge and Wisdom.

The absolute Truth and Goodness that is God is not a man and never can be. Such an idea is preposterous, and also incredibly stupid.

Equations only work when things are identical. God is not a man that he should lie. There is not a single lie that equates with truth. People who lie a lot lie about truth and God.

Science means knowledge. Please don’t equate science with some institution that uses the name of science.