Regular OffG contributor Iain Davis returns to Perspective this week to talk about what it means to be part of the “alternative media”, widespread failures in covering the “special military operation” in Ukraine and much more.
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6. NSO Kill Switch – Israel, Intel Corp & Microsoft, How They Subvert America
by Brendon Lee O’Connell
Edited upload: Aug 8, 2021
Original upload: Jun 2018
NSO Group and Israeli spying is far worse than you can ever imagine. NSO is nothing compared to the fact core R&D for both Microsoft products and Intel Corporation are done in Israel
[Links via Youtube]
NSO Group Technologies is an Israeli cyber-intelligence firm primarily known for its proprietary spyware Pegasus, which is capable of remote zero-click surveillance of smartphones.
Why is it when I read a comment then click on a link in that comment, peruse that link, click back to the original comment and then always land at the top of the comments thus needing to scroll down the comments searching for where I had been? I wish I could return directly to where I had left off.
I can’t help noticing the usual suspects are staying quiet on this thread after their shameful conduct on the last Ukraine thread.
Hope it stays that way.
Commentator on the Matt Mathis thread called it an orchestrated attack and no different than what we see in the MSM media when someone dares to criticizes….
Didnt look good all the OG high hierarchical came out to join the fire cracker attack.
You reckon Paul the terrible is banned.? Or worse.
Thank you Iain and Jesse for a good discussion. So much alt media have very orthodox way of talking about the war, all sharing the same opinions with little difference and ignoring every fact that does not fit their story. I stopped listening to Duran and UK Column and even 21st Century because I do not trust their thinking any more when they say only the same things every day and ignore the questions I am wanting to hear answered. The same questions you ask. Thank you again.
I adore blasphemy. It’s just about the only good thing (other than Art) which humans have ever come up with. If it’s not blasphemous, it’s nowhere near the truth.
Anyway, here’s a piece of blasphemy against the One World, They’re All In It Together pseudo religion.
The Party’s Over, the Gloves Are Off – Global ResearchGlobal Research – Centre for Research on Globalization
??? To “blaspheme” is to insult the local or currently popular gods name by association with some unacceptable action or comparison . Such as as “Jesus snuff coloured Christ” , a slight act of blasphemy engaged in by old cowboys . I think “heresy’ is a more definitive word for what you are describing here?
No, I think the heresy is what Iain and Jesse speak, the content of the global research article is the “mainstream” opinion of all alternative media beside these two and Off Guardian.
With respect it is just one more statement of the standard “alternative news” opinion which, like all the others, ignores all the evidence and strangeness that does not fit this opinion.
Blasphemy: We have expended so much effort to convince society of unjust, illogical and nonsensical ideas that serve us; those who question this must be silenced immediately.
There used to be persons who ACTUALLY witnessed and reported events firsthand. You know? Like on site dialog and photos in real time. “Alternative” press just sit behind their computer screens to peruse photo shopped pictures published on Twitter and Facebook pages…
I think those former journalists were called “War correspondents” It was a long time ago. You know? Like before the war on terror…
The mainstream just sit on their behinds and publish narratives handed to them by the intelligence agencies. The closest thing remaining to war correspondents are in the “alternative” media, and at least some of the best ones are trying to get at what’s really going on.
Not so long ago, really … Check out Giorgio Bianchi, Eva Bartlett, Tony Capuozzo. There are many more. You can find a good number of war correspondents on The UkroNazi site Mirotvorets, should you care to look.
And Patrick Lancaster. He’s always finding terribly convincing bodies that never seem to attract flies, and other terribly convincing stuff like that.
Yes, you have to give them their due for actually being on the frontline and not lieing in a ditch pretending they are there, as Jeremy Bowen did, or being critical of them behind the safety of their keyboard.
Remember the first time Poland supported Nazis?
German-Polish Non-Aggression Pact of January 1934.
First time in Germany and now in Ukraine.
Even if you are in denial about there ever being a pact between Poland and Nazi Germany
you will find the website itself – rare historical photos –
In general, it appears to me that those in the alt media who were the least critical of the pandemic narrative are the best supporters of the Putin-the-saviour narrative.
Here is a new one just for you.
Those that used bs in the past
are condemned to repeat it.
But I remember your bs.
If you were against the disastrous and illegal and bs propaganda driven
invasion of Iraq (2003) – a horrendous humanitarian disaster –
then you were told that you were supporters of Saddam.
If you were against the oil imperialism attack upon Libya
– a horrendous humanitarian disaster –
you were told that you were a supporter of Gaddafi.
If you were against a war of aggression against Syria
– a horrendous humanitarian disaster –
you were told that you were a supporter of Assad.
There are more, have you forgotten already?
Now, the same elements as above, the same greedy, war profiteering, fascist, warmongering and Neocon elements, have brought us a humanitarian disaster in Ukraine
and if you don’t support them then you are told…
you guessed it, that you are a supporter of Putin.
Your bs was bs then
and it is bs now.
You support the creation of humanitarian disasters,
Are you talking to me?
There ain’t nobody else here.
I think with respect you have misunderstood what October is saying.
So, by your logic, anyone not accused of being a ‘Putin bot’ supports the creation of ‘horrendous humanitarian disasters’ in Ukraine?
If you take your logic out for a test drive you might find it soon leads you drastically astray.
Yes, I agree
I wish someone would talk more about this strangeness:
To me, on the face of it, it looks like theatre, like seeding a narrative. I don’t know, but that was my gut instinct. The sexy ladies with tattoos? Is this real?
Lost In A Dark Wood has posted some interesting info about this on here – an issue which deserves our attention for sure. But no need to worry about that, because OffG have already decided it’s just theater. Nothing to see here, move along……
Here is an interesting TruNews look at this topic showing more interesting articles and documents, linked to in the twitter link you gave.
People can disagree. That’s allowed. Please cut out the snide stuff. If you don’t like offg then mAybe post somewhere else? Or if you do value this free resource then help make it a nice, supportive environment.
I think everyone assumes this is someone else’s job, but it’s not. The commemts are what we all make them, and I’m tired of emotional dysfunction as standard around here. Frankly.
Let’s do better. 🙂. Let’s be kind. Let’s share opinions, ideas and sources. Let’s be courageous and build something up, instead of tearing things down. A2
No. You are trying to shut down legitimate enquiry for what could be the key to understanding what these criminals are truly doing in Ukraine. Your response deserves to be called out for what it is – childish and pathetic – both to the original commenter and to me – especially concerning such an important topic and lead. Your comment about emotional dysfunction is shocking – I’m tired of emotional dysfunction as standard around here. This is highly insulting to the commenters on OffG, for what is in reality a very good, balanced and quite disciplined comments board with the caveat that it is targeted by 77th or other equivalents who seek to wreck the flow of the conversations, shows a low level of analytical skills and comes across as plain immature, so it seems you are in the wrong job.
Thank you for complimenting our comment board. Stop attacking admin who oversee it. Have a bit of healthy humility, 🙂 and there’s no need to get emotional.
We’re very proud of the work we do. We’re proud of the comments we receive.
Why don’t you do something courageous (as per your final paragraph of waffle) and run an article about ALL the evidence which has been put forward here that the war in Ukraine is about the creation of a “New Jerusalem”. I won’t hold my breath.
Well maybe your suspicions are correct about the ‘new Jerusalem’ thing, but it sounds unlikely, a bit ‘lab leak’, a bit seeded narrative. If this were the case then Russia would need to be complicit, to my mind, since there’s strong evidence they are hanging their own troops out to dry.
If you think being obnoxious is having any effect on me, or helping your point in any way, it really isn’t. It’s just making me think there might be something wrong with you.
I’m not being obnoxious, I’m just calling you out for being way out of your depth moderating this board.
Why are you attacking admin with this forced indignation? It’s not very convincing.
And I have also called you out for making incredibly insulting comments about the OffG commenters in general and now, me personally, prior to your backtrack where you say how “proud” you are of the comments. Proud of all the emotionally dysfunctional comments which are posted “as standard”. Your words..
The comments are what you make of them. Get off the offensive. Pointing fingers is not a valid substitute for discussion..
As a cautionary note, I think TruNews are part of some planned reveal. For example, they were at Davos 2020 – as invited journalists – and when they returned they started pushing the “pandemic”.
WRT to Igor Berkut, I suspect it’s a Simon Parkes style self-promotion. That he’s picked up some publicly available information and is using it to sell stuff.
TruNews In Davos 2020: Putin’s Rabbi Reveals Trump Peace Plan Details To TruNews
Today on TruNews we share an exclusive interview with Russia’s chief rabbi Berel Lazar from the sidelines of the 2020 World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland. We also discuss President Trump’s comments about the witch hunt impeachment trial, Ivanka Trump’s “inoperable learning record” proposal, and Salesforce CEO Marc Benioff’s answer to the radical socialists who want to eat the rich.
Rick Wiles, Doc Burkhart, Edward Szall.
Sure – I watched the presentation after following StraightTalk’s link (you must have fallen off your chair seeing that link if you hadn’t seen it before after what you have posted here lol) – it was maybe the only one in English – and thought it had value for this conversation – maybe for someone who is interested to hear what this is about and see some of the evidence. Brendon O Connell who I think you follow has had a few things to say about Rick Wiles and TruNews at davos. The TruNews clip is what it is – they present evidence clearly, they ask questions, they don’t get carried away, they just arrive at the conclusion that I have arrived at which is that this does appear to have legs and absolutely should be treated as a lead to get to the bottom of the as yet unsolved question of “what is really going on in Ukraine – truly?”. It’s a good intro to this subject. Maybe their (trunews) role is to reveal this – they are not exactly hiding their intentions and if it is real, then at some point they will have to go public with it.
Thanks for highlighting this in your other posts – it needs to be properly examined, researched, scrutinised. If only we could somehow find some investigative journalists who have a platform to publish the research on, haha!
Interesting from the YT links in the twitter link that the whole conversation and everything related to it is in Russian – but this poster/map of Heavenly Jerusalem being presented – is in English?
From the twitter link about this ^^^ man :
I would assume he was conscripted into the army. The banks may have been money laundering operations. And perhaps one of the oligarchs gave him some money to form a political party.
A silver lining?
Do peeps here know who Sasha Latypova’s daughter is?
I don’t. Should I?
Sure. Soph. So what? What is important is whether Latypova contribute into providing facts or not. Personal smearing doesnt work mister Matt.
I don’t care who Sasha Latypova’s daughter is. I’ve been following her work and that of Kathrine Watt and Karen Kingston for a number of months. https://karenkingston.substack.com/
Perhaps you could pay attention to the content of their work. Why do you ask???
Elephant in the room – why did Russia retreat from Kiev?
Officially, they were useless and unprepared for their own invasion and Ukrainian guards in Kiev shot down Russian helicopters and kept the invaders out.
Unofficially, it’s a controlled ‘war’ and we’re all looking forward to the Zaporizhzhia nuclear incident that has been foreshadowed for a year, which will lead to new measures of control and oppression, for our own safety.
That’s what I’ve heard. I have no opinion on the matter.
Because BoJo scuttled a peace deal. In any case, Russia was not going to take a city of four million with 30k troops.
Your Bojo point makes no sense. You don’t retreat because there’s no peace deal.
Your second point just makes the whole thing stranger. Why go in with so few troops? It’s as if they were not trying to win
Try to stay focused. Do you believe that Russia intended to take a city of four million with 30k troops ?
Perhaps not, but it seems blatantly obvious that they could have cut off a city of 4 million given their tactical advantage of surrounding it. They could also have easily resupplied and strengthened their position.
The Russian forces were behind the lines of the ATF in the Donbass and could have cut off their supply routes; the Russian forces were also positioned in front of the amassed ATF at the same time, sandwiching the bulk of Ukrainian forces, while simultaneously enjoying total air dominance, having supposedly destroyed Ukraine’s air defences.
Now, if you can explain to me why any war machine, badly organised or not, would simply withdraw from that position without any notable military pressure being applied, I’d be fascinated to hear your thoughts.
Likely because they hadn’t destroyed the air defence systems. Nor secured the Donbas.
The recent precision hypersonic missile (Kindzhal) strikes on US Patriot air defence systems in Kiev, would suggest that Russia hasn’t finished with Kiev yet
And there were then and still are vast swathes of the Donbas unconquered. Though Bakhmut will likely fall to the Russians within days.
Secure the Donbas then take Kiev may be the strategy
No point sticking up a flag in Kiev when the armies are elsewhere. Napoleon and Hitler made that mistake with Moscow
Good, Vagabard. All one needs to do is read the 5 objectives of the SMO. I don’t recall any mention of the capital of UkroNazia being part of that document.
I think this sort of move is called a “feint” … it can be very effective. Especially if you adversary is an idiotic, coke-head. Two months in a secret bunker, anyone?
So the 39 questions, did you read those? Doesn’t seem like a feint to me. Sounds to me like the ‘SMO’ forces have been completely hung out to dry.
I did, Sam. I have serious doubts about Strelkov and his finalities. Am I the only one?
Well you’d have to I guess, since you’re wedded to a POV and there’s some testimony which contradicts that POV.
Who told you that? Which legacy media outlet can trusted to actually report the true position?
Strelkov posed the question in his 39 questions – no one here has a good answer, that’s for sure. The obvious one is – Russia didn’t want a quick victory
If Russia flattened Kiev, who would sign the treaty that follows?
Pussies. It was that simple!
Maybe the truth is that now in the age of massive amounts of information we are all realizing that the world is way the F more complicated than previously imagined.
Maybe the World is more simple than imagined?
Maybe the supposed Good guys vs The Bad guys proferred by the presstitute media is actually Bad Guy vs Bad Guy.
Or bad guys versus us
Or how about good and bad guy versus good and bad guy?
I can assure you your claim is not the truth. Truth is knowledge, and when you know, the world is simple in the most wonderful way.
Everything complicated is thus lies and therefore extremely boring.
I am more than happy to focus on the simplest truths but….. when analyzing geopolitical events there are a lot of moving parts all trying to mesh or unmesh with each other at the same time. Even in my personal affairs i have the damnest time sorting out what is going on often times. I just spent the day trying to trouble shoot a 1991 pontiac sunbird and the P.O.S. Refuses to be simply fixed. The truth may be simple but the manmade world is a bitch!
Any times I have issues with fixes, I you tube it.
The internet is a great resource for auto repair absolutely. However, the repair can still end up being extremely time consuming and difficult. Same with trying to understand our world and the Nato/Ukraine-Russia war and the difficulty of getting to the solution. For my part at least, I am going to vote for a politician that doesn’t keep pouring weapons into the conflict. Also, i am going to keep reminding my friends that there are two sides to every story.
Still doesnt override my statement.
If you know how a car repair is to be done, it is simple. Without knowledge it gets time consuming.
If you know the world, and “why are we here” its easy again.
Without knowledge you will keep looking for a politician, and keep telling your friends what you think and what you believe and what you imagine, and that there are many angles to look at on JFK’s murder as example.
But there is one and only one story, the true story, and when you know the only true story, the case is closed. Finito bambino.
Let me give you an example. Customer claims the car runs great but that ocassionally it won’t start. I agree that the problem is likely to be simple but discovering what that problem is can be extremely time consuming. If i had all the time in the world and if the customer didn’t mind paying 50 or a hundred an hour for that time then perhaps the word difficult or challenging or problematic would never come up. Unfortunately, i don’t have all the time for that problem and the customer sure in the hell doesn’t want to pay me indefinitely. You may say I’m just a bad mechanic but i would say to you that the world is filled with imperfect people trying to solve difficult problems with limited time or resources. Please specify how it is that the world is such a simple place. Perhaps I’m not looking at your comment correctly.
I see that you did specify by saying that knowledge makes the world simple. Let me use the analogy to mining for gold. We know the gold is in the earth and in a vein but getting to it or at it is very challenging and difficult. Some things are just difficult no matter how much knowledge you have. Or, if you don’t like the word difficult then let me just say that they are time consuming and hard work.
We’re probably talking past each other somewhat. Words like simple and difficult can be interpreted or used in several ways. I need to find clarity about those words and how they are being used by both of us.
Also seems obvious that a byproduct of the war is the degradation of military readiness for the West. Appears US, Britain & EU are sending their weapons to Ukraine so that the Russians can blow them up.
Then there’s the matter of weakening military health thru the vaxx.
And as Sasha Latypova & Katherine Watt point out it’s now LEGAL– under certain circumstances– for foreign troops to act within the US against the citizenry.
I don’t understand why everyone seems to think that the US is so stupid in its efforts at hegemony– seems so obvious that TPTB are deconstructing nationstates– especially those in the West. Hegemony my eye! That’s the cover story.
The US is controlled by the City of London and its subsidiaries!
How many in this’ alternative media’ talk about this.?
The Russians talk about it a lot. As they are jeopardized they have to get rational and find out where the Tumor root is.
The tumor root is Foreign Office London, with City of London behind, US as their paid and loyal bully.
Russian television have openly discussed how they could erase London from the surface by an under water nuke.
Empty threats yes, but nevertheless shows that they know where the root is.
Brianborou, Certainly most of the big players aren’t in the US– and those who are aren’t in any way committed to the nationstate of America, far less her traditional political values.
I’ve been trying for a year to remember the title or author of a book written at least 7 years ago. It was a book in praise of the few thousand people who comprise TPTB. Ah, well we basically know who they are anyway.
Whoever is controlling the US is also controlling Oceania, Eurasia, and Eastasia, that’s damn obvious post covid.
I see nothing wrong in Chinese troops providing peace and order in American libtard cities, where homeless, faeces and needles are part of a dysfunctional Western socialist paradise.
If America cant handle their own affairs, a new Chinese/European world government gotta do it.
That’s just what they want you to want. That’s why they’ve made the situation in the west so desperate: so we’ll beg for someone to come save us.
Maybe you should relocate to China. You could go to work in some plastics factory, turning out cheap plastic shit that some ignorant American can bury in a landfill within a few months…
I knew you would’nt like to hear it.
You were busy playing basket ball, on to a new whopper, they call you Amerifatty, hearing some some rap and some nigga diggi.
You preferred to focus on where I should locate to. and whose paying me, because you were hurt on your feelings, and therefore confirmed exactly my case. You will never raise up as real Men!
My feelings don’t get hurt. Ever…
Have you heard the term toxic masculinity? The notion of needing troops to solve problems is part of the problem. Where’s that wrench?…. my tie’s caught in the serpentine belt! Call 911. He didn’t make it. Let’s have a drink.
Someone’s on message. Hope Schwab pays you well
Maybe cities are a bit like former ghost towns after a gold rush. When the reason for being there ends then the towns and cities begin to decline. Change is inevitable…..mr. Nielsen (Anderson).
Some rare sense from the American continent:
Russia-Ukraine War: The U.S. Should Be a Force for Peace – Eisenhower Media Network
What was he thinking? (Peggy Hall video)
His anti establishment image and his real life actions are clearly incompatible. Therefore there is more going on there than meets the eye
She is intelligent and good, wauw.
Yeah, as in a pathological liar and manipulator. Congratulations, welcome to the final circle of hell!
A relevant, well researched book:
With regard everything being “weird”
For the first few months of the war, I felt largely the same – that none of the accounts made much sense. However, after doing a bit of digging I found there to be coherent accounts which weren’t being presented. Although these accounts describe layers of subterfuge (i.e. “by way of deception”), tend to be somewhat limited in scope, and there remain a few areas of vagueness, once the key elements are unpicked, the overall picture emerges quite clearly.
No facetiousness intended, but if you feel you’re the better informed then please help the community benefit from your analysis. Give details. Link to helpful sources etc. Let’s try and avoid decontextualised assertions. Thanks. A2
The credit goes to other people; I’ve just been piecing bits together. The main part of it is posted here:
And here’s the intro:
Wayne Madsen – Israel’s Secret Plan for “Second Israel” in Ukraine
December 8, 2014
The role of Jewish figures and that of the State of Israel in the Ukrainian crisis has not gone unnoticed considering that this community represents less than 1 percent of the population. However, a secret report in the hands of the Netanyahu administration confirms that Ashkenazi Jews do not originate from the Levant, but are the descendants of the Khazars. This little-known population founded a Jewish empire in the tenth century on the banks of the Black Sea. Therefore, some Zionists see in Ukraine a possible second Israel. . . .
The evidence that eastern and central European Jews have no historical claim to Palestine has resulted in a flurry of activity in Israel and abroad. . . . some Israelis and Jews abroad are not taking any chances. One of the main reasons why Ukrainian Jewish billionaire tycoon Ihor Kolomoisky, the governor of Ukraine’s Dnipropetrovsk province and citizen of Ukraine, Israel, and Cyprus, is spending tens of millions of dollars on the recruitment of right-wing Ukrainian nationalists and neo-Nazis from other parts of Europe to fight against the Russian-speaking majority in the Donbass region of eastern Ukraine, is a fear that plans to turn Ukraine into a «second Israel» will be derailed. Russia’s protective measures for the Donbass, as well as its incorporation by referendum of Crimea, the latter prized by the resurgent Khazarian Jewish nationalists, threaten the transformation of Ukraine into a second homeland for Ashkenazi Jews who are finding their hold on Israel prime tenuous, at best. . . .
In Ukraine, the so-called «second Israel,» Kolomoisky and Kiev have enlisted a number of ex-Israel Defense Force members in their volunteer battalions, including the Azov Battalion. One of the Israeli units is known as the «Blue Helmets of Maidan» and is commanded by an Israeli using the pseudonym «Delta». If Israel did not have a vested interest in expanding its influence in Ukraine it could easily prevent these units from going to Ukraine. . . .
Some Russian speakers in the Donbass are wary of the intentions of pro-Israelis in the Kiev government. Oddly, Kolomoisky has recruited a number of neo-Nazis from western Ukraine and Europe to fight in his battalions whose right-wing organizations have always subscribed to the notion of a future «battle royale» between Russia and the remnants of Khazaria in Israel, Ukraine, Poland, and the Republic of Georgia to avenge Khazaria’s defeat in the 11th century by the Russian Empire.
Does this explanation feel a little pat though? What is Israel planning to do with all the native and patriotic Ukrainians who currently own all that lovely fertile farmland? Displace them? Won’t this have huge and calamitous knock on effects? If Israeli/US interests are so often claimed to be one and the same, presumably the Russians aren’t going to enjoy this? If so, why are Russia reacting so mildly with this ‘SMO’ and pausing/withdrawing and allowing Ukraine time to rearm, drawing the whole conflict out? If Israel is essentially on their doorstep in this proxy war, how does this add up!?
The world is going to be depopulated. They may make a few token references to it, but they’re not particularly concerned about farming. Moreover, they’re only interested in the five oblasts and maybe Crimea – so there’s still plenty of space for the proles in the rest of Ukraine.
That, of course, was the original plan, but it may now be thrown into doubt given the national revival.
Jul 14, 2022
Ukraine 2030 — the freest and most digital country in the world. Without bureaucracy, but with strong tech industry. Cashless & paperless. This is the future we are building.
Mykhailo Fedorov @FedorovMykhailo
Vice Prime Minister for Innovations, Development of Education, Science & Technologies — Minister of Digital Transformation of Ukraine
Joined November 2020
Mykhailo Albertovych Fedorov (born 21 January 1991) is a Ukrainian politician, and businessman. He served as a Deputy Prime Minister and Minister Digital Transformation from 2019 to March 2023. On 21 March 2023 his duties and title was expanded to Deputy Prime Minister for Innovation, Education, Science and Technology – Minister for Digital Transformation.
Ukraine 2030 The 4th Industrial Revolution
Jul 21, 2022
Yep. Ukraine will rise like a Phoenix from the ashes to become a UN Habitat SMART City boom town, after the “war” has succeeded in preparing the ground for this transformation. The people of Ukraine will own nothing and they will be happy in their new uber dystopian nightmare world. But it won’t just be Ukraine. Other nations will be brought online. The UK is always the first in line to bend over and part its bum cheeks for Daddy, and I see nothing but surefire signs that the UK will also be transformed into even more of a dystopian technology driven militarised hellhole – more than it already is. In its current state, it’s hideous – a corporatised shitpit. With what the Scumbag Network has planned, I simply do not want to live in that world. The thought of these pieces of shit (especially the vermin in GOVUK) having this level of control over my life makes me feel sick. It is 100% evil in nature, as is the case with everything these scumbags bring in.
Now there is some Orwellian upside down new speak.
I was referring to the July 14 section and not the rest of your comment.
Creative destruction or destructive creation. We heard that in the 1990s.
Same as with Syria,- politics. Politics is the art of the feasible. You negotiate out from your position and reach a deal where all parties get something.
Assad get half of Syria, US and Turkey get the other half part with Kurds as cannon fodder, Israel get Syria divided in half along the Tigris river for future Great Israel.
Russia get Crimea and Donbass. Israel and Western Allies get not all but most of their ancient Khazaria. Poland get some of West Ukraine. Politics.
This is what is feasible and controllable at the moment with the global power structures in force.
With respect to Israel and Palestine, there are multiple claims, allegiances and agenda – and this multiplicity creates potential for serious conflict. A significant constituency which seems to be overlooked in the west is that of Israeli citizens with Russian and Soviet ethnicity. It should be noted, however, that the figures quoted below don’t distinguish between Israelis of Ukrainian rather than Russian ethnicity.
Netanyahu has tried to present an appearance of neutrality with respect to the war, but like Putin and Xi, he’s very much aligned with the Belt & Road project (see below).
Sep. 18, 2019
Russian President Vladimir Putin has said that Israel is a Russian-speaking state and that the two countries share a common history and extensive family ties. Israel is home to the world’s largest population of Russian Jews, a large portion of whom emigrated there from the former Soviet Union in the 1990s. About 17% of Israel’s population is Russian-speaking, research has said.
Israel’s Russian Community Faces Anxiety and Uncertainty as Renewed Conflict Rages
The Moscow Times spoke to some of those living amid the fighting.
May 20, 2021
Israel is home to the world’s largest population of Russian-speaking Jews, with ethnic Russian Jews as well as Jews from former Soviet countries making up some 17% of the country’s population. The community, which has its own distinct cultural and political identity, has been influential in Israeli society in the three decades since the first wave of mass immigration from the former Soviet Union.
July 7, 2021
The Biden administration, like the Trump administration, has recognized China as the United States’ chief national security threat and geostrategic rival. Despite political polarization in other areas, Democrats and Republicans support hardening U.S. policy toward China on matters including military posture, trade and investment, technology controls, cross-border data restrictions and academic exchange.
U.S. leaders are urging foreign friends to make similar adjustments to protect themselves — and their U.S. ties — from Beijing’s theft, espionage, coercion and other malign activity. President Biden, on his recent trip to Europe, underscored the China challenge, declaring, “We have to discredit those who believe that the age of democracy is over.”
Yet U.S. worries about China have been prominently belittled in Israel: Yossi Cohen, who stepped down last month as Israel’s powerful spy chief, said in a June 7 speech, “I do not understand what the Americans want from China. If anyone understands it, he should explain it to me. . . . China is not opposed to us and is not our enemy.”
Cohen’s air of unconcern reflects more than a decade of increasing ties between Israel and China. On two visits to Beijing as prime minister, Netanyahu highlighted Israel’s interest in exporting technology to China. He also supported an Israeli role in Beijing’s “One Belt One Road” global infrastructure strategy and a bilateral free-trade agreement. “We are your perfect junior partner,” Netanyahu told Chinese President Xi Jinping in 2017. “I believe this is a marriage made in heaven.”
The owners of the people farm are doing a controlled burn and making some other changes around the place. So the farm runs better, more efficient. They have some new equipment they want to bring in that will eliminate the need for so many workers. They don’t want panic or they might break through the fences and disrupt the smooth operations. So there will be soft music and drugs, lots of drugs.
And distractions, LOTS of distractions.
Flakebook, Twatter, Shit Shot and Instaham.
And lots of superficial controversies.
This site seems to do very well covering the SMO, which as they say, is progressing incrementally to WW3 !
Yeah, they been saying it’s progressing incrementally to WW3 or alternatively that WW3 is just about to happen (aaarrgh!!!😱) for the past year and a half. As far as I can see the reality on the ground is it’s not progressing anywhere at all.
” As far as I can see the reality on the ground is it`s not progressing anywhere at all.”
US and NATO have reportedly sent 17,000 anti-tank weapons to Ukraine (taskandpurpose.com)
Ukraine war: Germany sends much-awaited Leopard tanks – BBC News
NATO powers move to send long-range missiles to Ukraine – World Socialist Web Site (wsws.org)
Zelensky WILL get fighter jets as Western allies agree to give planes to Ukraine – Mirror Online
What next actual uniformed NATO soldiers on the Urainian frontline !
The BBC? Really? Did they reform themselves since they enabled the biggest eugenic slaughter in 100 years?
There were lots and lots of reports like this of all the terrifying Covid symptoms and dangers etc., however we knew at the time, or have since realised, that we couldn’t trust media outlets. They were all controlled. Covid WAS the media coverage. Without this smoke and mirrors, Covid disappeared.
I’m just asking that we remember this and apply a bit of consistency in our analyses. A2
Oh I am no fan of the BBC Sam, as the posts I made about them on here confirm that.
Nevertheless, Germany, most of the NATO countries have provided the US/UK/NATO City of London controlled Ukrainian Nazi regime with many many 100s of tanks some of which such as the Challenger tanks fire depleted uranium tip shells which lead to longer term health problems for the population as Iraq and Serbia have discovered.
Moreover, they have been systematically increasing the stakes with the weapns systems which I have provided evidence for. The next logical step is NATO uniformed soldiers on the ground ( they are in the Ukraine already in UKraine uniforms).
As much as you want to drag the discussion back to Covid, the article is about the SMO.
I’m attempting to drag the conversation back to reality, not Covid. A precedent of media deception and collusion of the magnitude Covid unveiled can’t simply be overlooked, and I suggest we’re in danger of doing that. Your citing these news outlets could be seen as the equivalent of saying “what do you mean there is no danger from a pandemic, the BBC says the government have been forced to commission emergency respirators from a hoover manufacturer!!” Etc.
The reality is there is a very great danger of an escalation which leads to a situation which will be catastrophic for mankind.
I cited these MSM outlets for convenience due to the fact I have to do other tasks ie walking the dog, shopping, putting bins etc.
In addition, have criticised them numerous times about Covid as my numerous previous post on this site will bear witness to this.
However, you seem to have overlooked that sites such as UK Column, 21st Century Wire and independent journalists such as Eva Bartlett plus writers have all provided a great deal of evidence which demonstrates the dramatic escalation of the scale plus sophistication of the weaponry pouring into the Ukraine.
If you study modern European history, it is noteworthy that the 2 world wars were preceded by a dramatic increase in arms build up.
Could NATO-Supplied Arms Change Ukraine’s Fate? – TheAltWorld
UK Column News – 21st April 2023 | UKColumn
Are France and NATO Shipping Depleted Uranium Weaponry Into Ukraine? – 21st Century Wire
We shall see, although please preface future MSM links as ‘view with caution’ to keep things consistent, and ideally stick to true alt. media like Bartlett, Beeley etc who I think do their due diligence far, far, far more than the MSM, whether I agree with their analysis or not.
I would like to point out, if this was planned to escalate into another iteration of Covid, with co-commitment shortages, travel restrictions, economic relandscaping and authoritarian clampdowns, then accumulating a cache of military hardware in Ukraine would be a straightforward part of the ruse, no more difficult to orchestrate than many parts of the globally coordinated Covid rollout.
I know we all have the idea that military conflict can never be primarily Theatre, or orchestrated to anything but a superficial extent, but what if this was all a bit more Orwellian ‘perpetual war’ than we thought?
I do hope I’m right, since your angle involves actual global threat of annihilation and mine doesn’t. Lol Shouldn’t you be wishing my angle is right too?
I found myself making similar points to Covid adherents many times during 2020-22. 🤷♂️
The Central Bankers, primarily The City of London and its subsidiaries, have had their plans for the future in plain sight for a very very long time.
Tragedy and Hope : Carroll Quigley : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive
This is a 1091 page PDF of Tragedy and Hope – A history of the World in Our Time. It doesn’t appear to contain a bibliography, which is standard for scholarly works of merit. If you think this serves to illustrate your point, I disagree. It could equally well be used to time waste and tie people up. This is why we ask for specific citations.
A specific page or chapter would be appropriate. However, with no bibliography, I guess I’m doing the author’s work for him and checking out his unsourced claims myself?
You seem to forget there was never any intention for it to be published, it was never meant for public consumption, it was charted by the Central bankers to have a record of their actions and their future plans.
In addition lets not forget, the lengths they went to prevent its publication.
It serves to demonstrate that this group believed and still believe the most efficient method to achieve their goals is wars.
WW1, WW2 should be suffice to illustrate this point.
For those who want the summary of the book in a digestible form.
JoePlummer.com – Tragedy And Hope 101
Hi, Sam. I’m not trying to brown-nose, we often disagree, as you know.
I just wanted to compliment you for getting involved in the dialogue. I can’t think of another site where this happens …
Id love to see a world where peaceful disagreement is the spice of life and generous synthesis is the rule.
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Tragedy and Hope was published in 1966, it’s likely the situation has developed in new directions since then, but anyhow this (from your link) sounds exactly like what Iain Davies and OG talk about in the new “multipolarity”.
“Quigley informs us that this wealthy “Anglophile network” cooperates with any group that can help it achieve its goal.6 (This includes Communists, which, on the surface, would seem to be the sworn enemy of super-wealthy capitalist conspirators.)”
I can see such a group evolving to exploit and nullify the east-west divide just as much as they do the Left-Right divide. You assume as a given the east hasn’t been absorbed into this machinery, but there’s a lot of evidence that it has.
The question of the influence, whether genuine or not, of Soviet Russia and Communist ideas in American policy and the contextual significance of this influence in Quigley’s understanding can be usefully read from Chapter XVII: Nuclear Rivalry and the Cold War: American Atomic Supremacy, 1945-1950 of the 1966 edition of Tragedy and Hope, discussing the immediate postwar era in which beliefs in this influence started to flourish – you’ll find there’s a lot of nuances and context there, and that convictions hold by Communist mindsets expressing human hopes in a better life condition to mankind, may perfectly be shared with avowed capitalists – IMO, the truth of the matter is that capitalist mode of production wants the same ends as any other mode of production, but Communism is the one last mode where humanity had learned the right means to reach those ends, the previous modes having been unimproved, faulty means to the same commendable ends. The following is a quote from the author himself in that chapter:
“This radical Right fairy tale, which is now an accepted folk myth in many groups in America, pictured the recent history of the United States, in regard to domestic reform and in foreign affairs, as a well-organized plot by extreme Left-wing elements, operating from the White House itself and all the chief avenues of publicity in the United States, to destroy the American way of life, based on private enterprise, laissez faire, and isolationism, in behalf of alien ideologies of Russian Socialism and British cosmopolitanism (or internationalism). This plot, if we are to believe the myth, worked through such avenues of publicity as The New York Times and the Herald Tribune, the Christian Science Monitor and the Washington Post, the Atlantic Monthly and Harper’s Magazine and had at its core the wild-eyed and bushy-haired theoreticians of Socialist Harvard and the London School of Economics. It was determined to bring the United States into World War II on the side of England (Roosevelt’s first love) and Soviet Russia (his second love) in order to destroy every finer element of American life and, as part of this consciously planned scheme, invited Japan to attack Pearl Harbor, and destroyed Chiang Kai-shek, all the while undermining America’s real strength by excessive spending and unbalanced budgets.
“This myth, like all fables, does in fact have a modicum of truth. There does exist, and has existed for a generation, an international Anglophile network which operates, to some extent, in the way the radical Right believes the Communists act. In fact, this network, which we may identify as the Round Table Groups, has no aversion to cooperating with the Communists, or any other groups, and frequently does so. I know of the operations of this network because I have studied it for twenty years and was permitted for two years, in the early 1960’s, to examine its papers and secret records. I have no aversion to it or to most of its aims and have, for much of my life, been close to it and to many of its instruments. I have objected, both in the past and recently, to a few of its policies (notably to its belief that England was an Atlantic rather than a European Power and must be allied, or even federated, with the United States and must remain isolated from Europe), but in general my chief difference of opinion is that it wishes to remain unknown, and I believe its role in history is significant enough to be known.”
“The original purpose of these groups was to seek to federate the English-speaking world along lines laid down by Cecil Rhodes (1853—1902) and William T. Stead (1849-1912), and the money for the organizational work came originally from the Rhodes Trust.”
This network having expanded after WWI:
“The chief aims of this elaborate, semi-secret organisation were largely commendable: to coordinate the international activities and outlooks of all the English-speaking world into one (which would largely, it is true, be that of the London group); to work to maintain the peace; to help backward, colonial, and underdeveloped areas to advance toward stability, law and order, and prosperity along lines somewhat similar to those taught at Oxford and the University of London (especially the School of Economics and the Schools of African and Oriental Studies).”
“It was this group of people, whose wealth and influence so exceeded their experience and understanding, who provided much of the framework of influence which the Communist sympathizers and fellow travelers took over in the United States in the i93o’s. It must be recognized that the power that these energetic Left-wingers exercised was never their own power or Communist power but was ultimately the power of the international financial coterie, and, once the anger and suspicions of the American people were aroused, as they were by 1950, it was a fairly simple matter to get rid of the Red sympathizers.”
No shortage of scare headlines, but on the ground they’re still allegedly “fighting” over the same few feet of ground they were last year
They spent 6 months during world war two fighting for the area around Stalingrad. Obviously a lot more was being fought for at the same time but a large city with buildings represents a fortress. In olden times it was common to have lengthy seiges of castles. This is still a limited war but each action or battle in itself can be lengthy. Apparently several hundred thousand have already died in the Ukraine war…. Hardly a small or limited number.
Britain has been insidiously preparing the conditions to break her rival Germany since the end of te XIXth century; the first really noticeable event was the Moroccan crisis in 1905; similar events followed more or less regularly, reaching a head in 1914. By then everything was ready, and they did break Germany.
The intent to make Germany literally bankrupt was fully established already in 1905; but the configuration of the world (alliances, preparedness of the different would-be participant countries to wage war, economic conditions, propaganda, question of neutral countries, and so on and so forth) was suitable to realise that intent only in 1914.
As early as 1911 the principal position for British fleet had been changed from Plymouth (facing France, the secular rival, but the Fachoda incident of 1898 showed that it was no longer a concern to Britain) to Dover and Rosyth (Scotland) surveiling the northern and southern entrances of the North Sea and both facing Germany. (See La Guerre qui vient, 1911 by Francis Delaisi).
Its a WWIII hybrid war “Full Spectrum Global Dominance” going on since 2001. You and the sheep have just been sleeping, as you always do………..LOL.
Excellent podcast. Covers all the bases especially at the end where it feels we are being slowly strangled by a WEF boa constrictor leading to a multipolar world… but only those of us that know their plans.