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AUDIO: Brian Gerrish on Perspective with Jesse Zurawell – 17 June

Journalist Brian Gerrish – co-host and founder of UKColumn – joins Jesse for the most recent episode of Perspective, where they discuss “special military operation” in Ukraine. The more-heated-than-usual talk opens up questions about the reliability or accuracy of casualty figures from either side.

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Lost in a dark wood
Lost in a dark wood
Jun 25, 2023 1:11 AM

I’m glad I’d stopped following these Putinista sock-puppets long before 2022. On Feb 21 they get their pre-invasion assessment totally wrong – not even considering it possible that Putin would order an invasion. Then, on Feb 25, they simply regurgitate the Putinista talking-points to justify the invasion – which a few days earlier would have been against Putin’s interests. And Henningsen pushes the claim that Putin has already achieved two objectives – including “de-militarizing Ukraine”. In between, on Feb 23, they do similar sock-puppetry for the Donbas land-grab. I got 10 mins into the Feb 25 video before giving up (similar for the other videos). If they anywhere acknowledge how wrong they were pre-invasion, please let me know. Henningsen also pushes the lie that Ukraine, USA, UK were responsible for the paramilitary “Nazi” attacks on the Donbass. However, these were organised by Kolomoisky – who got his money from the… Read more »

NixonScraypes
NixonScraypes
Jun 22, 2023 10:16 PM

I recall seeing reports of Ukrainian oligarchs flying off to their Swiss villas when hostilities started. Then a broadcast by Zelensky in which he described a truly multicultural free Ukraine after kicking out the Russians. So I see that as meaning that half of the Ukrainian men get killed so they can be replaced by Africans and Middle Easteners as an easily manipulated labour force. The oligarchs return to exploit them and run the country with their mafias and corporations. The international banks loan the money to the corporations to rebuild the shattered infrastructure, to their stupendous profit. Business as usual for the past few thousand years. The Russian oligarchs and banks clean up too, a nice little earner. That’s what’s going on. Or you might call it premeditated MURDER MOST FOUL.

Dave
Dave
Jun 22, 2023 5:00 PM

OK Dad!
Dad is a sheep dipped Patsy.
Zurawell is an inquisitive fellow seeing the larger Agenda: the new world order.
Henningson is a taint agent too, him and his flat earth pope Steve Falconer

Ronald
Ronald
Jun 20, 2023 12:17 AM

Round 1;
Gerrish 1
Jesse 0
Gerrish seemed not at all unreasonable.

In my world WEF graduate Putin and dancing comedian Zelensky could well be, and likely are, on the same team.
They win, we lose.
As is so often the case….

There’ll be an escalation no doubt….just to take our minds of insurmountable fraudulent debt, a monstrous rising vaccine death toll, and a step toward the fruition of nefarious agendas….

Brianborou
Brianborou
Jun 19, 2023 7:52 PM

Gerrish discuss in further detail the KIA/ WIA in the Ukrainian conflict plus what the City of London plus it subsidiaries have in store for the future of Ukraine.

https://www.ukcolumn.org/video/uk-column-news-19th-june-2023

Jeffrey Strahl
Jeffrey Strahl
Jun 18, 2023 7:25 PM

My comments. This segment does have a redeeming feature. In it, Zurawell demonstrates poise, calmness, command of facts, and emotion, while maintaining total respect for a guest, not trying to outshout him. Gerrish, the co-editor of UK Column, who requested to appear to respond to Zurawell’s critique on his Telegram channel of UK Column’s coverage of the conflict, acted like a pompous, self-important, loud-mouthed, arrogant jerk. He’d often speak for long stretches, and then interrupt Zurawell when he tried responding. His behavior seems so typical of former British military/intelligence officers who have turned into dissidents, believing that the rubes and peasants can’t possibly understand what’s going on, like they do.  He reminded me of Alex Thompson who was interviewed in the first couple of weeks of the war by prominent western pro-Russian blogger/analyst Vanessa Beeley. Gerrish repeatedly accused Zurawell of siding with the Ukrainian regime, and by implication, the US/NATO, insinuating this was related to Zurawell’s ancestry (Ukrainian on his father’s side), no matter how often Zurawell stated… Read more »

les online
les online
Jun 19, 2023 11:22 PM
Reply to  Jeffrey Strahl

Thanks for the interpretation…

Lost in a dark wood
Lost in a dark wood
Jun 18, 2023 2:32 PM

Pompeo vs Kissinger Forget the appeasement pushed by Kissinger in early 2022, forget the status-quo-ante, Ukraine will be restored to its 1991 borders. — https://web.archive.org/web/20230517162335/https://www.economist.com/kissinger-highlights May 17, 2023 Over two days in late April 2023, The Economist spent almost eight hours in conversation with Henry Kissinger. We have published an article assessing how America’s former secretary of state and national-security adviser sees an urgent need for America and China to repair their relations. We have also published a transcript of the interview. What follows here are eight highlights. Mr Kissinger lauds Volodymyr Zelensky as an “extraordinary leader”, who is wise to welcome Chinese diplomatic efforts in Ukraine. He explains how he has changed his view to support Ukraine’s membership of nato (saying it is in Russia’s interest, too), warning that Europe’s leaders are wrong to waver on its membership. — Both UK Column and Caitlin Johnstone discussed Pompeo’s Hudson Institute… Read more »

Rhys Jaggar
Rhys Jaggar
Jun 18, 2023 6:10 PM

The concept of Mike Pompeo talking about ‘freedom’ is rather like a rapist talking about consensual sex….

Lost in a dark wood
Lost in a dark wood
Jun 18, 2023 11:50 PM
Reply to  Rhys Jaggar

In your view, how is freedom secured?

Grafter
Grafter
Jun 19, 2023 10:56 AM

Certainly not through fascism and ethnic cleansing.

Lost in a dark wood
Lost in a dark wood
Jun 19, 2023 1:59 PM
Reply to  Grafter

Try answering the question with a positive, constructive or affirmative statement:

Freedom is secured by . . .

Example:

These are the times that try men’s souls. The summer soldier and the sunshine patriot will, in this crisis, shrink from the service of their country; but he that stands it now, deserves the love and thanks of man and woman. Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered; yet we have this consolation with us, that the harder the conflict, the more glorious the triumph. What we obtain too cheap, we esteem too lightly: it is dearness only that gives every thing its value. Heaven knows how to put a proper price upon its goods; and it would be strange indeed if so celestial an article as freedom should not be highly rated.

Thomas Paine
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_American_Crisis

Lost in a dark wood
Lost in a dark wood
Jun 20, 2023 3:52 PM
Reply to  Grafter

fascism and ethnic cleansing You mean this: https://www.geopolitika.ru/en/article/russia-needs-novorossiya Russia Needs Novorossiya Nicholas Nicholaides 18.10.2017 Russia needs Novorossiya and Malorossiya – at least the part of Malorossiya that is east of the Dnepr river. These parts are not “ukrainian”, they never were and they never will be! These parts are as genuinely russian as Moscow or St Peterburg but because of a historical mistake – the break-up of the Soviet Union in stead of the modernisation of it – these parts are now outside of mother Russia. . . . the “border” between Russia and former “Ukraine” has not been ratified by Russia after the break-up of the CCCP so in reality “Ukraine” does not have real established and ratified borders with Russia! This is a fact that should be used to either depose the Kiev nazi regime and make all of former “Ukraine” democratic, federated and pro-russian or to liberate… Read more »

Lost in a dark wood
Lost in a dark wood
Jun 19, 2023 2:25 PM

ZeroHedge and InfoWars Push Kissinger’s “Multipolarity” World Order https://www.newswars.com/kissinger-warns-washington-accept-new-multipolar-global-system-or-face-a-pre-wwi-geopolitical-situation NewsWars: October 15, 2022 Originally: By Zero Hedge, April 10, 2021 Kissinger Warns Washington: Accept New Multipolar Global System Or Face A Pre-WWI Geopolitical Situation In a recent Chatham House webinar with former British Foreign Secretary Jeremy Hunt, 97-year-old Kissinger called on the U.S. to create a balance with existing global forces . . . [see Newsweek article] Kissinger’s career is washed in blood . . . However, his most recent statement about the U.S. and the international system is actually a mature proposal that would be beneficial for world peace if the Biden administration accepts his advice that the global order is changing. It is unlikely that Washington is ready to unilaterally end its hard and soft power aggression as it falsely believes it can maintain a unipolar order. It is always difficult for Great Powers to accept that the… Read more »

Lost in a dark wood
Lost in a dark wood
Jun 20, 2023 7:31 PM

Brendon O’Connell is now recognising the importance of Pompeo in derailing Belt & Road – a.k.a. the Multipolar World Order – but he’s still wrong about Trump’s role. Instead, Trump is part of a military operation which includes Pence and Pompeo. Trump’s role within this operation was to win the election and to create the theatrical appearance of a presidency – while the military got on with the real stuff. Go to @ 15:18 in the video for a very brief mention of Pompeo – and a reference to the following: https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/pompeo-and-netanyahu-deliver-remarks-ahead-meeting-in-jerusalem-live-627827 Pompeo puts Netanyahu on the spot over China and coronavirus Iran, coronavirus, Trump peace plan on the meeting’s agenda. May 13, 2020 Pompeo’s public comments were an escalation of public pressure on Israel regarding the China issue, to which Netanyahu replied noncommittally. The Secretary of State continued in this vein in an interview with KAN, saying: “We want… Read more »

Lost in a dark wood
Lost in a dark wood
Jun 22, 2023 2:20 PM

11 Reasons Why BRICS Will Fail
(Video recommendation by Brendon O’Connell)

WolvesAndFinance
Apr 10, 2023
BRICS has been trending this week, as more nations apply to China to join BRICS, a new currency that will compete against the US dollar. In this video, I am going to show you some statistics that a lot of people do not know about and show you why I think BRICS will fail.

arielazalexander
arielazalexander
Jun 18, 2023 1:48 PM

(1) ASHAMED & DISGUSTED WITH THE BBC – YouTube

I wrote this in 2016, for this and many others I do not get ANY AIRTIME. Ever.
This one’s a bit ragged. I was i a hurry to get it out, but I think it makes its point.

arielazalexander
arielazalexander
Jun 18, 2023 1:38 PM

On the subject of maps, Brian, when we were scouting for a site for the 2001 Croatian International Rainbow Gathering, the best map we could find was actually ‘wrong’ in the physical features of the landscape we were looking at.
So I asked ex-Croatian Special Forces ‘how come’ and they told me it was deliberate policy to confuse ‘invaders’ likely ‘armoured’ and draw them into ‘pinch points’ where they could be more easily ‘dealt with.’
We have met long conversation at AV6 or 7.
Regards

Grafter
Grafter
Jun 18, 2023 12:40 PM

Zurawell appears to be seriously delusional concerning the predicament of Ukraine under the control of the Banderite loving fascists whose American backers have escalated this war into becoming a nuclear confrontation. Brian Gerrish speaks truth and factual evidence in response to Zurawell’s subjective analysis.

Jane in France
Jane in France
Jun 18, 2023 12:13 PM

It would be good to have more discussions like this one between alternative media types with opposing points of view: Both Brian and Jesse remained calm, there was no shouting and very little interruption: For once you felt that they really did want to disseminate information and increase knowledge rather than make a point: Well done: Sorry about the colons: For some reason my computer won’t give me a full stop on the Off Guardian site:

Simon
Simon
Jun 19, 2023 2:46 PM
Reply to  Jane in France

pareil: it’s the azerty keyboard:

brianborou
brianborou
Jun 18, 2023 10:03 AM

An interesting discussion which tried to shed some light on the state of play in the City of London US/UK/NATO Ukrainan proxy war. Gerrish was trying, despite Jurawell^s interruptions and attempts to go off on a tangent, to establish how disastrous this war has been for the Ukrainian armed forces KIA and WIA . The facts : that all over Ukraine is covered in fresh graves many accompanied with military burials, males in the ages from 16-70 are being kidnapped off the streets and press ganged into the Ukrainian military and the vast majority of its Soviet era military equipment has been destroyed and replaced with a hodge podge of NATO equipment, besides its aviation being almost obliterated, should give credence to Gerrish^s point of the catastrophic losses of the Ukrainian military. Moreover, the fact that so many newly formed UKrainan brigades in many NATO countries should be another facet… Read more »

Woowoo
Woowoo
Jun 18, 2023 8:17 AM

Off G shilling. Journalist LOL regurgitator off establishment talking points, Bullshit Brian Gerrish is naval intelligence – co-host and founder of UKColumn.. Brian Gerrish of U.K colon. The BBC in MIC altmedia got his original funding and was setup with serious help ££££££ from Sheila Butler, widower, the daughter of Earl the niece to Lord Kitchener, who set up (genuine) concentration camps in the Boer War.  Sheila Butler also funded the British National Party (BNP). Listener funded LOL. Independent media LOL. He like many others shill establishment talking points with a Conservative Christian fantasy off... if we get the correct people representatives in power we can live in a political run government utopia. quite amazing how U.k colon has got quite a lot of there old stuff they did wipe of the net, try looking for the video that made them internet famous back in the day with the arrest of… Read more »

Grafter
Grafter
Jun 18, 2023 12:45 PM
Reply to  Woowoo

Do you work for the BBC ?

Matt Black
Matt Black
Jun 19, 2023 8:11 AM
Reply to  Woowoo

Gerrish, Bridgen & Fox are all in the Brotherhood -fact

Duckman
Duckman
Jun 18, 2023 7:58 AM

an interesting piece by sergey karaganov re the situation russia find themselves in: https://stateofthenation.co/?p=171616 attempting to pidgeon hole the situation in ukr is not a binary choice, that is a western perception of which we are all guilty many are aware of the so called “13 families”, whilst seemingly following a script they are also it seems wont to occasionally follow their own path having been the “fall guy” for so many of the last 5 centuries russia could be excused for wanting to break script, even to the point of following script to the 11th hour then throwing a curve ball various reports seem to indicate the increase of military presence within american urban areas with what appear to be crowd control equipment russia have always hinted since early on that they have weaponry that the opposition do not, given the huge achiles heel the west have developed where… Read more »

Disgusted
Disgusted
Jun 18, 2023 7:22 AM

If the ‘learn from history lest you repeat past mistakes’ hold any water, then what I think about the no-pandemic pandemic, the no-war war, and the budding rearrangement of the world, the advent of new technologies, and the arrival of a new societal system is as follows. First, the previous historical epoch is clearly going though its death throes. You could even say that it’s not just one historical period that’s ending, but that the whole civilization is collapsing. Doesn’t really matter. The shit is hitting the fan. The likelihood for a major shitstorm, including unprecedented violence, is as high as ever. We could be in a 1930s situation, WWIII being just around the corner. Except that the weaponry available today is incomparably more destructive than back then. So, the objective is clear – survive, as unscathed as possible. I’m thinking that it might be a good idea to fuck… Read more »

MattC
MattC
Jun 18, 2023 5:14 AM

The Online “Safety” Bill is now at the Committee stage in the House of Lords. Once it is written into U.K. Law it will be a punishable offence to tell the truth. The likes of Brian Gerrish will be silenced as only the establishment narrative will be permitted. Its not clear if even Jesse Zurawell’s Perspective will be allowed. But hey Ho we are told that we live in a free society and are the world’s leading democracy – correction: we are free to say and think anything we like just so long as it has been approved first. So called “issues” dressed up as “Political Correctness” are served up to keep the plebs distracted and ensure that they keep accepting being constantly told what they are allowed to do and say despite the fact that the designers and purveyors of this concept are corrupt and clearly evil. This is… Read more »

ChairmanDrusha
ChairmanDrusha
Jun 18, 2023 5:10 AM

Comment sent to pending purgatory because it included a link?

Brewer
Brewer
Jun 18, 2023 2:05 AM

Is it something in tattoo ink that softens the brain or is it that soft-brains are attracted to tattoos?

john dann
john dann
Jun 18, 2023 1:31 AM

Very impressed by Brian Gerrish. Very calm and self contained in a tense interview, he argued his points well.
Jesse Zurawell seems completely captured by western propaganda. He is an example of Russophobia blinding him to the origin, progression and responsibility for this conflict.

One of the most informed people on this subject is Jeffrey Sachs, as he participated in much of the developing history from about 1990. A excellent historical overview was given by him at a recent talk in Austria: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TAYTBiVJt4Y

mgeo
mgeo
Jun 18, 2023 9:55 AM
Reply to  john dann

Sachs now claims he was against the ruinous policies IMF, WB, etc. imposed on Russia. Did he speak out at that time?

DM:
DM:
Jun 18, 2023 12:34 AM

Excellent argumentation from Brian Gerrish. Not very impressed with the Jesse bloke.

Well, at least Off-G published this. Normally they don’t want to touch any issues related to the UK/US war against Russia with a 10-foor barge pole.

MolecCodicies
MolecCodicies
Jun 18, 2023 3:18 AM
Reply to  DM:

Off G covers it routinely. They just don’t agree that the war is what it appears to be. And they’re correct. They actually are the only site that will touch it from this angle,

Banjo234
Banjo234
Jun 17, 2023 11:37 PM

The puzzling thing is that Brian Gerrish doesn’t seem to be curious about what Zurawell is trying to get at … that it’s hard to see what Russia is about in terms of creating/forcing a possible endgame that is not hideous for itself, Ukraine, possibly the whole of Europe and the USA as well. Russia should do something on the PR front that will challenge Germany, in particular and unhappy westerners in general that will get us turning on the fiends, our fiends, driving this catastrophe right now. There are all kinds of questions re Russian actions and inactions that perplex.

Duckman
Duckman
Jun 18, 2023 8:18 AM
Reply to  Banjo234

in all the recent conversations i have had with folk in the uk re the “situation” it comes across clearly that they all think: a) we are the “good guys” b) russians still drive Ladas and everything is broken c) and that here on the septic isle they are “safe” add to this all that i have met that have/have had any affiliation with the armed forces are wearing silly smug grins and talking from a point of view that says “we have this” the last part reflects that in all seriousness they are attempting to pull something off after/around june 23rd when “air defender” winds down, assuming they havent already managed to pull off a false flag by then (vicky nulands dam buster came close) the spirit of the “battle of britain” seems to have addled their brains, no doubt the other 300,000 nato troops conveniently gathered around eastern… Read more »