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The Fatal Error of Sheep

Todd Hayen

I will start this article with an apology to those readers who lack a ense of humour similar to mine, as well as to those lovely big hearted folks who don’t like labeling of any sort (sheep and/or shrew).

Regarding the term “sheep”—I have tried (and am certain I have failed occasionally) to refrain from calling an individual person as “sheep.” It is rather a term I have applied to a group of people with a similar “mindset.” If you feel you fit that mindset, you may, if you wish, call yourself a “sheep.” If you find it offensive, and do not feel you “fit,” then that is fine by me. Do not include yourself in the sheep group.

As for shrews. Well, that’s where the sense of humour comes in. I needed a term other than “those of us on the other side of the divide who believe in freedom and do not believe in the agenda or the power hungry globalists trying to take over the world”…whew…”shrew” is an easier way to get the same point across once the term is defined.

Why shrew? That’s a long story. But it is a term as good as any, and is complimentary to “sheep” as it starts with the same first two letters, and it too is an animal. Turns out shrews can be ferocious, even though very small. So that fits too.

So there you have it. Read this article with these things in mind, as it is full of reference to sheep and shrew.

The fatal error of sheep is not realizing that the people they call “conspiracy theorists” and “science deniers” are not some small fringe group of weirdos and hillbillies as they might imagine. The fact is we are large in number and include many brilliant minds and formidable members in our individual fields of expertise. This is no ragtag band of ne’er do wells.

Although I have no question we are on the RIGHT side of things, I will say that to the people who have to deal with us—that fact is of no real consequence (being right seems to have to affect on them). It seems the sheep love to ignore us, and act as if we don’t exist, regardless of the fact we are right. They can’t be bothered with us; we are only a nuisance to them. That attitude is going to one day bite them really hard in the you know where.

Many sheep have asked me, “How can you be sure you are right and we are wrong?” I have often asked myself the same question. There are many answers, my favorite is simply to say, “we are right because we are right”—which of course is rather flippant. This, however, seems to be a more prudent answer: Shrews are curious and look hard for answers.

Even if the prevailing consensus seems correct, we always seem to want more. We want to actually understand why things are like they are. Maybe we don’t do this with everything we encounter; we certainly do it when facing big sweeping pronouncements and when the powers that be tell us we all have to “do” this or that, like take a vaccine no one has really studied for a virus that no one really knows that much about. We typically go “huh?”

We then dive into it. We go down every rabbit hole we can find. Many of those holes lead to dead ends, but we discover those dead ends for ourselves. We don’t let anyone bar us from access and say, “you don’t want to go down there.” We say, “huh? Why not?” Once we start to feel that our usual sources for information, generally what they call “Main Stream Media,” is not giving us the whole story, we quickly move into some uncharted territory and start digging there. Yes, again, more dead ends but we become accustomed to “dead ends” being par for the course of truly uninhibited discovery.

We create conclusions, assumptions, speculations built on all the information we have gathered, and begin to come up with something we can make a tenable statement of truth about. But it takes a ton of work. And is usually never final, never ironclad. We don’t seem to like things that “appear” ironclad.

Sheep do not do this.

I have not yet met one that does. They often THINK they do, and throw back to me lines they have heard on NPR, or the WP or NYT, or of course the big “authorities” such as the retired Tsar of Science Fauci, POTUS, heads of major hospitals or pharmaceutical companies, et al. They don’t seem to realize their insistence on these sources being accurate is akin to looking to Goebbels to verify the accuracy of a Hitler speech, or referring to Der Stürmer for the truth about Jews. You need, today, to go to a variety of sources before you will come upon an accurate portrayal of social or scientific reality.

Sheep refuse to accept this.

What is odd about this is that we have never been in a culture where the mainstream news is 100% reliable. Sources have always been biased, and to really get a true picture of something, we have always needed to access several sources.

The problem is that as Americans (or Canadians for that matter) it has been drilled into us that freedom, truth, mom and apple pie are the hallmarks of our American culture. Although most of us have been brought up to believe that, it really never has been the truth. Maybe for a millisecond it was back in 1776, but I doubt it. (The tenets here are true, but being told that these are the hallmarks and intentions of the American or Canadian government is not the truth.)

That doesn’t necessarily mean that this culture has been 100% deprived of any integrity for 200 years (well, right now you might be able to say that) it means we have always been independently responsible for seeing through this wall of subterfuge. Unfortunately I think they finally managed to chop off the chicken’s head. Most people out there seem to have lost the capacity to use their brains.

It didn’t used to take all that much to reveal the boll weevils hiding in the cotton. We had competing newspapers that reveled in revealing untruths in a competitor’s pages. This tended to work well with all but the biggest players (Rockefellers, Carnegies, Morgans, etc.), now it doesn’t work at all because all the big news sources are bought. This is pretty obvious, but most sheep-types seem to think an owner of a news source has no power over what they print.

Duh.

Many imagine some cigar smoking workaholic editor holding onto his anchor of truth uttering with disgust, “they’re not going to stop ME from printing THAT.” I don’t think that ever really existed. I think if anything kept older news sources more honest than today, it was stumbling onto “truth” as a marketable commodity. This no longer seems to be the case.

So what does this have to do with a sheep fatal error? Well, just that, truth is no longer a marketable commodity with major news sources, so we must all look to sources where it still is. Sheep don’t realize that shrews have truth on their side. And they align with truth. They also do not believe we have integrity, or that there are quite a few of us, and that we are very SMART, resourceful, and persistent. Eventually that is going to get them, and in a very hard way.

Truth is like rain water on a roof. It will find its way through if there is a way through. Where that analogy fails is when a roof becomes watertight. Culture and human society can never become “truthtight.” Don’t ask me why, it is just a given. Eventually truth finds its way in, no matter what. It may take a while, but truth will get through. It will prevail.

Shrews may not all know all the truth at any given moment, but they look for it, no matter where it might be hiding, and they find it. When they find it, and show other people where it is, they are widening the hole for more of it to come through, just like the leak in the roof, or the hole in the dam. Eventually the dam will break and the roof will cave in.

Todd Hayen is a registered psychotherapist practicing in Toronto, Ontario, Canada. He holds a PhD in depth psychotherapy and an MA in Consciousness Studies. He specializes in Jungian, archetypal, psychology. Todd also writes for his own substack, which you can read here

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Craig C. Capen
Craig C. Capen
Jul 6, 2023 2:10 AM

I think there may be another distinction between sheep and shrews – sheep believe in solutions while shrews believe in tradeoffs. That may be why we keep digging; we are also looking for downsides and better tradeoffs.

Penelope
Penelope
Jul 3, 2023 8:39 PM

All that wasted energy bleating about sheep. They are not the authors of the psychopathic evil that is loose in the world– only a non-threatening target.

Also perhaps one is not excluded from sheepdom merely by having knowledge; perhaps action alone buys one a place outside the herd.

Todd Hayen
Todd Hayen
Jul 3, 2023 11:32 PM
Reply to  Penelope

We are all sheep in one way or another, and in order to even survive in this physical incarnation we must all be shrews in one way or another as well. Life occurs in the tension of the opposites, in order to make words have meaning that penetrates, there must be some conflict, dissonance, or friction. Tension, then release, is the way of life. If you believe expressing ideas, even if they don’t suit your current position in your journey, is a waste of energy, just move on to something that does nurture you and/or feeds you in some way. You may think it is a waste of energy, I obviously do not, and there are a few readers I write for that agree. I write other articles as well. Maybe all of them are a waste of energy to you. If so. Just move on. No, sheep are not… Read more »

Skinnymouse
Skinnymouse
Jul 4, 2023 9:46 PM
Reply to  Todd Hayen

Great response!

ZenPriest
ZenPriest
Jul 3, 2023 12:08 PM

Be as shrewd as serpents, as innocent as Doves.
Jesus, always on the money.

Rich
Rich
Jul 3, 2023 7:07 PM
Reply to  ZenPriest

Shrew D

KiwiJoker
KiwiJoker
Jul 3, 2023 8:04 PM
Reply to  ZenPriest

Jesus didn’t dig the money-changers.

BinksMom
BinksMom
Jul 6, 2023 3:16 AM
Reply to  KiwiJoker

He also did not believe in usury, and declared a Jubilee year (with erasure of debts) because the high priest would not

KiwiJoker
KiwiJoker
Jul 3, 2023 8:12 PM
Reply to  ZenPriest

His dad was no fan of serpents, and they were both really into calling their followers sheep.

Christine Thompson
Christine Thompson
Jul 4, 2023 11:56 AM
Reply to  ZenPriest

I’ve just (approx. 30 mins ago) replied to your post to me of 8.23pm yesterday, 3 July, much further down this article.

Clive Williams
Clive Williams
Jul 3, 2023 10:38 AM

They gifted everyone in the British Isles a Capt, Kirk Smarties Phone. Lets see with some intelligence partices still left after eating Sheep’s brain for School dinner, (those were the days).
Wise Animals, err…Right…. if you’ve “forked out” more than Fourpence, you’ve been ripped off.
Thx for the memories to Gen. Sheep & the Kal-Owned.

T.S.
T.S.
Jul 3, 2023 8:42 AM

it all boils down to indiviadualism (shrew) versus collectivism (sheep)

Todd Hayen
Todd Hayen
Jul 3, 2023 4:16 PM
Reply to  T.S.

Pretty darn accurate.

George Mc
George Mc
Jul 2, 2023 9:52 PM

Here’s an interesting glimpse behind the curtain. Look here: https://www.forbes.com/sites/brucelee/2023/06/30/anti-vaccination-accounts-try-to-blame-madonnas-hospitalization-on-covid-19-vaccines/ Forbes telling us about those damned anti-vaxxers and their damned lies etc. Now note the name of the writer, Bruce Y Lee, and follow the bottom link to his website. It’s full of goodies. He has a battalion of corporate connections which might be even more impressive than that of super-spook Nafeez Mosaddeq Ahmed. “…over two decades of experience in industry and academia developing mathematical and computational modeling, AI, and other computer-aided approaches to assist a wide range of decision makers in health, medicine, and public health. …” Professor at City University of New York, Lee is also Executive Director of the Center for Advanced Technology and Communication in Health (CATCH) “which aims to develop and implement new technologies and approaches to help decision making and communication in health and public health”. His titles go on and on. He is… Read more »

Johnny
Johnny
Jul 2, 2023 11:39 PM
Reply to  George Mc

INCE$$$TUOU$$$

hele
hele
Jul 3, 2023 3:30 AM
Reply to  George Mc

Hurl.

George Mc
George Mc
Jul 3, 2023 3:32 AM
Reply to  George Mc

This part of Bruce Y Lee’s blurb is significant:

“For over two decades, Bruce and his team have been developing and using AI/ computer methods to better understand the complex systems of health. He and his team have authored over 255 scientific publications and led a multitude of projects funded by a wide variety of sponsors that span across a range of disciplines, including epidemic/pandemic preparedness and response, healthcare operations, infectious disease prevention and control, international development, non-communicable diseases (NCDs), nutrition, and physical activity.”

This “better understanding of the systems of health” is pure inversion. Lee is one of the new technocrats whose role is to IMPOSE “health models” I.e. to generate computer simulations of the population density and structure required by the parasite class and to project thoroughly fictitious problems to achieve that vision. Thus the new technocracy will REALISE virtual reality.

Johnny
Johnny
Jul 3, 2023 7:03 AM
Reply to  George Mc

Eight billion potential customers! A CEO’s and MBA’s ultimate WET DREAM.

Clive Williams
Clive Williams
Jul 3, 2023 4:09 AM
Reply to  George Mc

Well yea, doesn’t surprise there’s East Shore Line creatures sea life and our beautiful birds, the coasts. If you don’t want to listen to someone whom long since knew including sharing a personal experience on a ocean liner, sod it. All shore lines are important. Much more than you or me or family’s get a grip man.

mgeo
mgeo
Jul 3, 2023 8:20 AM
Reply to  George Mc

If Madonna wants to prosecute the pro-jab people, she over a thousand reserch papers as evidence:mgeo
https://www.saveusnow.org.uk/covid-vaccine-scientific-proof-lethal/

Hemlockfen
Hemlockfen
Jul 2, 2023 9:01 PM

Horses. A better analogy. I think. “You can lead a horse to water but you can’t make it drink” (from the fountain of truth). Snake not chicken would suffice in my mind. Only way to kill a snake……and we are dealing with snakes.

George Mc
George Mc
Jul 2, 2023 7:15 PM

I’m glad to report that Stewart Lee – covid shilling woke luvvie – has not lost his biting wit. His latest Graud article has him praising the “bravery” and “heroism” of the Just Stop Oil protesters and even thinks that their invasion of that cricket pitch will become as iconic as the Tiananmen square tank man. Well of course the courage of invading a pitch is exactly like the courage of facing an advancing tank! Good one Stew!

Oh wait a minute! Maybe Stew has a point:

https://wikispooks.com/wiki/%27Tank_Man%27

Jonathan K X
Jonathan K X
Jul 2, 2023 8:02 PM
Reply to  George Mc

“Tank man” is another BS narrative. The photo was taken the day after the violence had subsided. He just happened to be standing in the right place for the photographer to make it look like he was stepping in front of a moving tank. In fact, the whole Tiananmen Square narrative is BS. The violence had occurred in other (admittedly nearby) places, and the main concern of the majority of the protesters hadn’t been “democracy.” Most of them were expressing their opposition to what they saw as an excess of African students being admitted to Chinese universities. Do a web search for “Tiananmen Square Wikileaks” to see a US intelligence report about the first-hand testimony of the Chilean ambassador and his wife.

George Mc
George Mc
Jul 2, 2023 8:23 PM
Reply to  Jonathan K X

Rachel Corrie showed what really happens when anyone stands up to an advancing juggernaut. The IDF mowed her down with an armoured bulldozer. I don’t recall iconic snaps of that one. I do recall our ever so compassionate media refer to her as a “dumbass” and one who “brought it on herself”. I wonder if Stew will mention her in one of his posts?  

mgeo
mgeo
Jul 3, 2023 8:23 AM
Reply to  Jonathan K X

NYT admitted as much – in a small inside article.

Paul Vonharnish
Paul Vonharnish
Jul 2, 2023 1:04 PM

Sheep rarely look up from their grazing. When they do, their eyes are unfocused and the light dumbfounds their senses. They drop their heads back to the idle boredom and grazing…

wardropper
wardropper
Jul 2, 2023 4:51 PM

Makes me realize that you have to be human to be bored. Sheep aren’t bored. They’re sheep.

Frankly, bored humans are probably more in danger of becoming sheep than they realize.
There’s no excuse for any human being to be bored on this planet.
It’s a choice.

Victor G.
Victor G.
Jul 2, 2023 5:29 PM
Reply to  wardropper

I’ve been think that one possible proof of a Supreme Being could be that somewhere, way up high, there’s a ” B B B being” that can tolerate boredom in eternity.
Thems be amused eternally by the way the numberless timelings continue to accept the same old shit.
(too convoluted? sorry.)

wardropper
wardropper
Jul 2, 2023 11:40 PM
Reply to  Victor G.

Perhaps that Being created us precisely so it wouldn’t be bored any more…?

I admit that sometimes I have seriously wondered whether the Almighty could conceivably be lonely, but of course that’s anthropomorphizing a being about whose existence we know very little…

Bob the Hod
Bob the Hod
Jul 3, 2023 12:12 PM
Reply to  wardropper

You know more than you think about the existence of our creator, the Universe, God, call it what you will, because you are of it, we are it experiencing itself. The fact that you are extant means that you can know IT in the here and know if you can see past all the false divisions that are placed in front of us. Which, judging by your output on here over the past few years, I’m sure you already do to some degree.

wardropper
wardropper
Jul 3, 2023 5:45 PM
Reply to  Bob the Hod

You may be right up to a point, but I do think a fair amount of modesty is called for when a person hints at ‘knowing God’… For me, His existence is not in doubt, but “knowing Him”, as a bald statement, seems too close a step to claiming to be somehow on His level, and I’d say the qualifications for that job call for nothing less than Christ’s qualities of self-sacrifice, as well as staggering wisdom, which, as I’m sure you’ll agree, few of us could come within a million miles of daring to claim. After all, even Christ referred to “My Father in heaven”, and not “My other self”, although we also know that he said, “I and the Father are one”… These are rather deep mysteries for a page like this. To take the spiritual core of your comment seriously, however, I’d say we can all aim… Read more »

Baldmichael Theresolute
Baldmichael Theresolute
Jul 5, 2023 11:08 PM
Reply to  wardropper

Being bald on top I like bald statements! The heavenly Father may well be partly bald too. 🙂

underground poet
underground poet
Jul 6, 2023 12:47 AM
Reply to  wardropper

Which is rather far depending on how far one can see, into the past, and likewise into the future.

Baldmichael Theresolute
Baldmichael Theresolute
Jul 5, 2023 11:05 PM
Reply to  wardropper

Well as God said ‘let Us make man in our image’ then perhaps at least He wasn’t alone.

But when you have a Great Mind one has to do something creative with it otherwise you get bored.

Soul Trap
Soul Trap
Jul 2, 2023 11:34 AM

If I may, the author seems to have both hand’s firmly on this sheep theme. To the point whereby he’s given this theme an incessant & repetitive pounding & from many angles now. It’s something he returns to again & again & again, like some sort of fascination or remit. He’s written numerous articles about “Sheep & Nazis”. Keeps rogering it silly. Our controllers would very much appreciate pointing out our differences. It would help add to the numerous other divide & rule thread’s running through our societies. As someone that claims to have been down many rabbit holes & being a psychotherapist. Feel a tad surprised that other factors of a coercive nature haven’t been considered. I’m not condoning those that obey. Never have. But we’re all here in this situation due to an accumulation of decisions that extend before our lifetimes. Though many,pre-2020, spent their entire lives obeying… Read more »

Howard
Howard
Jul 2, 2023 5:11 PM
Reply to  Soul Trap

If I may add a response here, I think Covid was the quintessential case of “The straw that broke the camel’s back.”

Many – myself included – “allowed” those who were speaking out against the system to withdraw 911 from their grab bag of critique. We kind of made excuses for them – like “they don’t dare or they’ll lose their forum” etc. etc. and so forth.

Their response – or lack of response – to Covid was simply too much; so “we” dropped them and looked around for some other source of information. And now “we” point the finger at those who still “allow” them to hold back their criticism – and call these folks “sheep.”

Soul Trap
Soul Trap
Jul 2, 2023 5:16 PM
Reply to  Howard

Which is a bit rich, really. And shows how malleable and easily you can turn. Don’t you feel “Tweaked”?

Who do “I” have more in common with a “Sheep” or TPTB? They’ve been manipulated. By whom is the real enemy.

Please look at the time of another response I posted on here. I was typing as you wrote that.wow

Howard
Howard
Jul 3, 2023 3:30 PM
Reply to  Soul Trap

One doesn’t “turn” so much as reach a conscious decision that certain pundits simply have too much “baggage” (or, waxing Ibsen: too many corpses in their cargo) to be of any further value as a source of credible information.

I’m not big on agreement – as in “You must agree with me on every important issue or else I’m dropping you!” But I do expect at least tacit acknowledgement of very obvious occurrences.

Soul Trap
Soul Trap
Jul 2, 2023 5:35 PM
Reply to  Howard

Believe this thread & another he’s posted will help explain a lot.

https://twitter.com/JamesPa74499104/status/1360226676131651584?t=Y46P3726z9CzLOay1QgDjw&s=19

Soul Trap
Soul Trap
Jul 2, 2023 5:13 PM
Reply to  Soul Trap

Just on this thread I don’t see critical thinking but…. perhaps others should decide. As he says “We are already seeing a rewrite of history with “presentism” and the “Woke” culture. Yet, doesn’t extend this thought process to WWII. That seems like reinforcing narratives the victors peddled rather than critically thinking. 911, WMD’s should alone prove that the “rewriting of history” is far from exclusive for the times we currently live in. It’s been an ongoing theme. And its things like that & the constant sheep thing. That makes him appear as “them” to mine eye’s. Mentioned before that that term is dehumanising. Many are hopelessly brainwashed but others are in fear. Fear of becoming destitute of how they’ll feed their families. The lifetime, intergenerational lifetimes, of brainwashing & the false identities installed are very difficult to break. Let’s be honest with eachother, if it wasn’t for covid many wouldn’t… Read more »

Erik Nielsen
Erik Nielsen
Jul 2, 2023 11:32 PM
Reply to  Soul Trap

I think you into a blind gate. I find the article good, present and going into a touchy necessary feature.
There has always been dumb ordinary people following the crowd being servile to the Elite.
But previously we had authors, artists, engaged people to take out the worst consequences of their low style in open discussions.
Today the MSM and the global media are 100% censured divided into MSM and controlled alternative media.
What is different today is the global majority’s cognitive dissonance about obvious reality.
Therefore the sheep as an extremely dangerous entity become a necessary emergency matter to discuss.
Because there is no entity up to now who has shown ability break their idiocy.. .

Soul Trap
Soul Trap
Jul 3, 2023 7:02 AM
Reply to  Erik Nielsen

I believe our host’s would share your views.

The Overton Window was always controlled. Giving the illusion of subversiveness.

Many people seem to be congratulating themselves for “waking up”. When look what it took for many to finally be honest with themselves & “wake up”.
Western Tyranny isn’t a recent thing. Difference is, now it’s pointing itself directly at Westerner’s. They practiced in other countries.
Many have noticed, whilst many are still in denial.

Whether I like it or not, I still have more in common with a “sheep” than TPTB.

Todd Hayen
Todd Hayen
Jul 4, 2023 2:01 PM
Reply to  Soul Trap

Oh my yes, I agree 100%, I definitely have more in common with a “sheep” than the TPTB. As I have said many times, I believe we are all sheep in some way…some are more sheep than others (can I resist, “some are more equal than others”?)

Seriously, the “sheep” in my opinion are a state of mind, and we are all (at least those of us who are human) capable of putting on any state of mind at any time. But, that said, I do believe for us to be successful in obliterating TPTB we must bring all of our resources together…including the “sheep mind”…we are all brothers and sisters at the core…it is our mindset that is malleable and that can be judged, and thus changed.

The Coming Revolution
The Coming Revolution
Jul 2, 2023 11:34 PM
Reply to  Soul Trap

I agree. I’m sure I’m not divulging any secret by saying that this sort of themes attracts the most commentary and produces the most polemics. Voilà.

Soul Trap
Soul Trap
Jul 3, 2023 7:26 AM

Thus reinforcing division’s & dehumanising the other.
Who does that help?

If someone was walking their dog as they’ve always done, in say a park they’ve always gone to. Then one day they trod on a landmine. Would I blame them or the person who put the landmine there?

The Coming Revolution
The Coming Revolution
Jul 3, 2023 2:32 PM
Reply to  Soul Trap

I’m pretty sure the content above doesn’t reflect the point of view of the people running this platform, or perhaps even the author personal viewpoint, as it doesn’t stand the slightest scrutiny.   There is a fact, however, that in running a business, – despite those who believe in a group controlling everything – one doesn’t always do as they like; the decision of what to publish, or not to (in this case), at what frequency, how to combine subjects, etc. is rather dictated by external circumstances that escape control and stand objectively as an alien power facing one’s freedom to conduct business as one would wish. I taught GMAT Quant for quite a long time (the mathematics section of an exam to study MBA); it went fine until a point where books and fora on the subject start to appear on the web, available for free; that was a… Read more »

The Coming Revolution
The Coming Revolution
Jul 3, 2023 4:32 PM

I have to make a correction: The graph above corresponds to world rate of profit as analysed by Michael Roberts and as it appears in this article rather than in the related one I mentioned above.

Clive Williams
Clive Williams
Jul 10, 2023 4:32 AM

That is an absolute World business model you’ll note that beginning 1963. It’s been Core to a Central Industrial disaster counter Revolution since 1973-4 In league with the World Central Bank., cover of having The Cities issuing a reassurance visa Credit System over riding the debited head of a Family Member. You’ll may also recall the rush London morning compute beginning into the late 1980’s of whats called the new city professional’s as the European double Dutch In Brussels currencies exchange., into further investing in regional Property marketing. A ” New approach” I would say so no kidding depending on the Stated Language of who is speaking first by those whom have given the most Labouring effort…. without talking into what’s referenced as speaking double Dutch, wouldn’t you say or not got yet. Forget what’s broken.,.concentrate what it is you have Broke., A Failure..We are helping,…Open your eyes imo. Thank… Read more »

Clive Williams
Clive Williams
Jul 3, 2023 6:06 AM
Reply to  Soul Trap

It must be december wwII in the US dad we’re are watching Great Escape on Boxing Day.
I swear some Americans are STILL the thickest dummies on the Planet!

Victor G.
Victor G.
Jul 2, 2023 5:37 PM
Reply to  Soul Trap

I was on Boston Common sometime in the early ’80s making as much noise as I was allowed to and still be peaceful in order to express my disgust at the bloody interference of the USofAs in El Salvador. Possibly shrew-like?
I did this in the years that preceded and again, and I did it again two weeks ago.
That’s what I think I can do in peace.
And it’s ironic … I wonder if “Pacifism” was just another low-level psy-op?
I’d do things differently if I could do them again.

Soul Trap
Soul Trap
Jul 2, 2023 8:38 PM
Reply to  Victor G.

And you respect to you for standing up & having the courage of your convictions. Have Chilean & Uruguayan friends & the stories they tell are…. heinous.

For many this Covid thing is their first time, or so it appears, of disobeying & seeing their Govt as an arm of the enemy. That’s brave as is realising we’re witnessing Democide.

But don’t refer to it as “Shrew”, well to me anyway. As it’s like someone trying to claim that Spirit & repackage it for their own ego. Find that highly dubious & self serving. Pied Piperish,Like a private club with cosy little names. I’m toning down how much I dislike it & the arrogance to rephrase/repackage any rebel spirit some have or that has been awoken, by this or any other “Event”

Todd Hayen
Todd Hayen
Jul 3, 2023 4:47 PM
Reply to  Soul Trap

Yes Kaczynski2 you are neither sheep or shrew, you seem to be something quite special, above it all, a unique sort of “non-ego” perfect person. That must be nice. Why don’t we see any of your own writing here on OG? You do seem to think that you have it all together, and all figured out with no room for certain offensive (to you) perspectives, accusing certain other writers (me) to be egoistic and part of the “controlled opposition.” You also seem to have it out for me personally, which I find both odd and creepy. Why is that? Am I the epitome of what you hate the most about humans? A person trying to create his own “private club with cozy little names?” A writer intent on dividing the culture into neat little divisions so it is easier to hate one or the other. Is that really want you… Read more »

Soul Trap
Soul Trap
Jul 4, 2023 11:32 AM
Reply to  Todd Hayen

As I understand it, this is an open forum encouraging debate & for people to offer their perspectives on certain events & articles presented. That in itself is going to display a spectrum. As many views here prove. “Accuse the other of which you’re being accused” attributed to Goebbels’s. If you deem myself C/O for not being enamored with your incessant sheep bashing then that is entirely your perogative. Many can be accused of attempting to clean their conscience of a lifetime of conformity & enabling of our host’s, by becoming “dissidents”. So it isn’t beyond the realms of possibility to consider, that now, they conveniently point at the adherents as a way to absolve themselves of a lifetime of conformity & obedience. 2020 has certainly offered that opportunity for many. Hence, why I ask the questions I do above. One being, how this “Shrew” like behaviour manifested itself BEFORE… Read more »

Sam - Admin2
Admin
Sam - Admin2
Jul 4, 2023 12:01 PM
Reply to  Soul Trap

Many can be accused of attempting to clean their conscience of a lifetime of conformity & enabling of our host’s, by becoming “dissidents”.

Anyone with a conscience who is willing to break from conformity is agreeable, surely? How can anyone ever be seen to legitimately ‘wake up’ using your reasoning? Or must we all conform to your acceptable version of how to rebel from the norm?

I think your intentions are questionable here, and I agree with you that perhaps you’re a little too conformist yourself. It feels a bit adolescent, tbh, like sneering at someone for not liking the same brand of rock and roll. A2

Soul Trap
Soul Trap
Jul 4, 2023 12:16 PM
Reply to  Sam - Admin2

Then you’ve misunderstood me.

I’m not the one sneering at sheep or using them to elevate myself.

I’m promoting humility & understanding. As otherwise, I believe correctly or incorrectly, we participate in TPTB’s evident further splintering of society. Rather than focusing on WHO did that to them & continues to.

Sam - Admin2
Admin
Sam - Admin2
Jul 4, 2023 2:11 PM
Reply to  Soul Trap

I disagree that this is what you’re achieving. I think we should steer clear of cod psychoanalysing one another. It’s really not very helpful. A2

Soul Trap
Soul Trap
Jul 5, 2023 7:47 PM
Reply to  Sam - Admin2

Ok, don’t post that long reply to Mr Hayen. As he’ll just emotionally blackmail thee & throw another hissy fit. I’ve proved my points.
We are not the same.Not sure it’s wise to facilitate his theme’s. Especially if he’s unable to accept others take on them.

But I hold to it all.

Todd Hayen
Todd Hayen
Jul 4, 2023 4:31 PM
Reply to  Soul Trap

You don’t think you are using your argument to elevate yourself? Sure seems that way to me. When we write, we write from ego, if no ego was involved, we would not write anything. We would just “think” it…not saying that is bad, both approaches have profound purpose and meaning. No, I do not “sneer at sheep” (to use your words) I sneer at their position in this battle. I admit I do find value in NOT being in the sheep club (most of the time) and find value IN being in the shrew club (most of the time) and yes, if that means I elevate myself as a result, then that is what I do. But I do not see it the way you seem to. What do you mean by elevate? Being a better person? A better human being? A more powerful person meaning I can wield my… Read more »

Soul Trap
Soul Trap
Jul 4, 2023 6:03 PM
Reply to  Todd Hayen

No, I’m not using this to elevate myself. I’m responding to something I don’t agree with. I will not read all your articles again but I know if I did, I could easily demonstrate that that term is being brandished not as affectionately as you say here. It’s playground language of the newly awake and it is used to mock & demean. To separate & elevate. As I’ve outlined, particularly galling if it took this psychological operation to finally make people “See”. Yet, they then keenly adopt belittling language to those that they behaved exactly like pre 2020. Find that very ugly. No humility, humanity. So at times I refuse to offer mine back. “As I understand it, this is an open forum encouraging debate & for people to offer their perspectives on certain events & articles presented” If I were to seek to elevate myself. I’d plaster my face… Read more »

Todd Hayen
Todd Hayen
Jul 4, 2023 10:10 PM
Reply to  Soul Trap

I didn’t “agree” as you say, but so what.

I have a lot more to say, but will not. I think the dead horse has been beaten enough. I believe you are way off in your evaluation of me and even my work (you still don’t seem to understand what I have said in my responses) and think you do need to find a bit more humility in your manner of attack.

You have no idea who I am and what my intentions are, clearly you have missed any clue of that in my articles or responses. I believe you are fighting the wrong enemy.

Soul Trap
Soul Trap
Jul 4, 2023 11:49 PM
Reply to  Todd Hayen

“and, yes agree by using those monikers it can be seen to be offensive” You wrote that below. The word “agree” I took as well…. agreement.

If I’m off then instead of coming at me. Answer a question if you will.

How did this “Shrew” behaviour, mindset, selfless self labelling manifest itself BEFORE 2020. BEFORE this phycological operation?

I didn’t make or have made any claims to “know” you.

If you wish to label people “Sheep” as you have. Then this question seems highly relevant.

Also, I’m just responding to you. I’ve tried to finish this a few times.

Todd Hayen
Todd Hayen
Jul 5, 2023 1:59 PM
Reply to  Soul Trap

I agreed that using the sheep moniker “CAN BE SEEN TO BE OFFENSIVE” I did NOT agree it is “USELESS” There have always been shrews, critical thinkers, those that do not follow the mainstream just because it is the mainstream, and consensus thinking. Look around you, most readers of OG probably were shrews long before Covid. I was a partial shrew, there was a lot I did not “buy” shovelled out by the mainstream. But I was not aware of the Agenda before Covid and WEF and WHO’s bullying the world. I saw it in a lot of things, but I was not aware how organized or how deep the cancer ran until now. I was definitely a sheep. I am not sure why that question is so important to you. You seem to equate calling oneself a shrew as some sort of self aggrandizing move. I do think one… Read more »

Todd Hayen
Todd Hayen
Jul 4, 2023 12:25 PM
Reply to  Soul Trap

As I understand it, this is an open forum encouraging debate & for people to offer their perspectives on certain events & articles presented. Yes, I agree, thank you for reminding me of that, but I feel I have returned to you the same. My take on the above statement is that we are free to criticize what is written and debate on that, but attacking the writer, in my humble opinion, is not productive. You seem to insist on denigrating me personally for my views. Yes, I AM thin skinned. I have a particularly hard time these days with people I believe have similar views to be so caustic. Otherwise I actually appreciated what you said in your response. I don’t agree, but I appreciate it (I agree with some of it). I honestly do not believe you see the “spirit” in which I present the idea of sheep… Read more »

Soul Trap
Soul Trap
Jul 4, 2023 12:37 PM
Reply to  Todd Hayen

I’m but one voice offering it’s perspective. I’ve been harsh, agreed. It’s for the reasons I attempt to outline.

It is worrying to see, or (mis) perceive, language that separates us further get used by those that profess to want our current to tragectory to be averted.

Good day,

Todd Hayen
Todd Hayen
Jul 4, 2023 4:32 PM
Reply to  Soul Trap

I agree…I do believe one prime directive of TPTB is to separate and divide us. I will try to keep that in mind more when I write.

The Coming Revollution
The Coming Revollution
Jul 4, 2023 5:13 PM
Reply to  Soul Trap

Kaczynski2, this is a supporting voice I’m offering. I agree it isn’t IMO helpful at this point to keep coming back to the theme of emphasising the differences between those who’ve fallen for the medical theatre and those who haven’t, as if there was no other more pressing subjects to write about.

To be clear, I of course respect the author’s right to express himself however he sees fit, no question about that; this is simply an opinion among others and I’m exercising the right of voicing it.

I wonder when the shrews will start to speak up… criquets.

Todd Hayen
Todd Hayen
Jul 4, 2023 10:26 PM

Thank you. I agree with you to some extent regarding not being of help to keep harping on these “differences” but I keep hearing out there that most people think things are returning to normal when “those that have fallen for the medical theatre” have not learned a single thing. Because of this obvious fact, I believe most of us will be dead within the next 20 years. So I keep bringing it up. Yes, most of you are tired of it (well, actually not sure how many of you) and yes, many of you believe there are more important things to write about. But I am a psychologist, and the one thing that confounds me the most about all of this is how easy it has been to get the majority of people in the world to fall for this charade. I will do my best in the future… Read more »

The Coming Revolution
The Coming Revolution
Jul 5, 2023 1:19 AM
Reply to  Todd Hayen

I think it’s Ok to have respectful disagreement; I don’t see it can be avoided since we are all speaking from different perspectives, specially in an open forum; and I appreciate you engaging with the readership; not many writers dare to do that.

I hope you’ll continue contributing to this site and not be discouraged by disagreement; more so if you are convinced those who disagree with the way some words are used to label individuals are still not getting the meaning you are giving to them and the gist of the whole message, – which some of us may well be missing. In that case I’d make it my task that they get it.

Todd Hayen
Todd Hayen
Jul 5, 2023 2:02 PM

I am not discouraged by disagreement. I have no problem with that. I am offended by personal attacks on assumptions (direct or implied) about my personal intentions and my personal character. I believe that sort of discussion has no place on this forum, or anywhere for that matter.

Soul Trap
Soul Trap
Jul 4, 2023 11:54 PM

I said the same, to the writer “You, you do as you wish. I’ll not be joining you”

Thanks by the way. Even the Admin misrepresented a valid observation. Frankly, none of this is surprising in the least.

George Mc
George Mc
Jul 2, 2023 9:05 AM

I am deeply suspicious of news items that suddenly take over the channels e.g. the French riots – and sure enough:

https://twitter.com/BernieSpofforth/status/1675067990063104000

“NETHERLANDS- Whilst you’re distracted by France, the Dutch government is hoping you won’t notice their police brutalising farmers, who are protesting the forced sale of their farms.”

How does the mainstream press deal with this?

https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20230629-seven-arrested-in-fresh-protest-by-dutch-farmers-police

“Several hundred farmers and their supporters gathered on a square in The Hague, an AFP journalist said, far less than the 10,000 that organisers the Farmers Defence League had predicted”

Nothing to see here.

George Mc
George Mc
Jul 2, 2023 9:30 AM
Reply to  George Mc

Also note this from france24:

“Previous protests against plans to cut livestock numbers and possibly close farms to meet emissions targets have attracted global attention, and the support of former US president Donald Trump.”

Trump again brought in as the poison pellet.

George Mc
George Mc
Jul 2, 2023 7:52 AM

Never trust the media especially when it’s in outrage mode. The Telegraph blisters about how Terry Pratchett is the latest author to be appended with warnings about “outmoded attitudes”. It would be easy to fulminate over this. But that’s what they want you to do. Another distraction.

Clive Williams
Clive Williams
Jul 2, 2023 5:06 AM

Printing presses don’t move neither writers and authors ie 1950 Orwell.?.. and was the last time the a sheep used a typewriter.☺

Johnny
Johnny
Jul 2, 2023 2:40 AM

High security contagion facilities/hospitals popping up and prepping for the next plague.
Paranoid parasites or media and medical maggots cashing in?
Evil abounds.

hotrod31
hotrod31
Jul 2, 2023 2:18 AM

The root cause of all the evil is, not so much the ‘money’, or the ‘sheep’ as it is the political-grubs who sell-out, i.e. privatize, for their short-term fix of hopium and the 30 pieces-of-silver. We know that they’re thieves and yet we still accommodate them. Why?
ALL political-maggots who have been instrumental in privatizing public assets should be shot … on sight – because they aid-and-cultivate the parasitic class.

Erik Nielsen
Erik Nielsen
Jul 2, 2023 1:01 PM
Reply to  hotrod31

“The revenge is mine” said the Lord.
Why, because average Joe makes too many mistakes when he hang people in a light post because he thought they were horse thieves.
To be in a situation where you can judge a man, you need to be absolutely sure and know 100% why and what you are doing. Very few of us have this complete knowledge.

les online
les online
Jul 2, 2023 12:17 AM

Whenever i read the local press (Murdoch’s) i count the number of times “Fear” helps make up the headlines (e.g, “the bosses fear”, or “the police fear”, or “the government fears”, or “climate scientists fear”, or “doctors fear”)…Paints a pretty frightening picture of Out There; makes me want to stay holed up in bed all day…
This past week i’ve switched to counting the number of times “Chaos” helps make up headlines – and, i’ll tell you, it’s also pretty chaotic Out There…One place you would not want to live is Russia because, going by the headlines, it’s absolute CHAOS there…
But it’s not just in Russia…If the headlines are to be believed there’s CHAOS everywhere…
The headline about CHAOS on the local railways made me wonder if we were being readied to accept the re-appearance of Benny Mussolini…

Erik Nielsen
Erik Nielsen
Jul 2, 2023 1:13 PM
Reply to  les online

Well, it fits well into the ideological themes TPB and academia are working with;
Creative chaos, The beauty of chaos, Chaos walking, Chaos theory, the Divine sword of chaos.

Barry Edmiston
Barry Edmiston
Jul 1, 2023 11:53 PM

Nice!

Lost in a dark wood
Lost in a dark wood
Jul 1, 2023 11:28 PM

How can you be sure you are right and we are wrong?

Because I don’t personalise it. Instead, the question should be: “How can you be sure THIS is right and THAT is wrong?”

See:
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Erik Nielsen
Erik Nielsen
Jul 2, 2023 1:16 PM

Many answers. But I would say: “Because I know and you only believe”.

Erik Nielsen
Erik Nielsen
Jul 2, 2023 1:27 PM
Reply to  Veri Tas

Which means our dilemma today has been the same for at least centuries.
Conclusion? Dumbness will prevail until we all agree to be vaxxed once a month.

Veri Tas
Veri Tas
Jul 2, 2023 11:17 PM
Reply to  Erik Nielsen

I’m afraid the first part of your conclusion is a reality.

However, I’d rather die standing up for my freedom than be so hopelessly enslaved as to submit to medicalisation against my will.

I believe many likeminded people will think and act similarly.

Erik Nielsen
Erik Nielsen
Jul 3, 2023 11:05 AM
Reply to  Veri Tas

You can count me in.

Howard
Howard
Jul 3, 2023 3:39 PM
Reply to  Veri Tas

So many of the kind of people Goethe describes will go through their entire lives and never have that magical thing we call an “epiphany.” They lived and died thinking themselves free.

And how can we know they weren’t really “free?” Because they never questioned it. Which means they never wondered if life could be different from what they took it to be.

Dave
Dave
Jul 1, 2023 11:10 PM

Today, Canada Day, I went to Halifax which is near where I live. There I found a coffee shop near the 2 major universities. It was called Glitter, and in huge letters read” A Workers Co op”.
On the door was a sign saying how to social distance, and to wear the best quality respirator you have access to, and medical masks are provided inside. The LGBTxyz flags and the usual things decorated the shop.
As in Stalinist Russia I felt afraid to enter, for the reason that I was wearing Freedom Convoy sweater, and sure as hell would not be covering my face. As in Stalinist Russia I began feeling that others may see my sweater and approach me.
I had an urge to escape.
Am I a shrew, turned sheep?

Erik Nielsen
Erik Nielsen
Jul 1, 2023 11:12 PM
Reply to  Dave

No. All human and natural.reaction.

Roserval Parkun
Roserval Parkun
Jul 2, 2023 5:32 AM
Reply to  Dave

Never been to Stalinist Russia, but I’m fairly familiar with another part of the communist bloc. The difference between some parts of today’s West, especially Canada, and the former commie world is that the proportion of adherents to the sick commie and the sick woke ideologies and people who could back then and can now see through the bullshit is reverse. Meaning that back then, there was relatively small number of diehard communists while most people quietly suffered and waited for the crap to blow over, while it seems to be opposite with this fucking wokeism-covidism. Note that I’m talking about the grass roots, not the establishment, which makes it much worse, as the nitwits provide a highly fertile soil for the elite pricks to work with. There is probably a rather long road ahead of us before this damn thing collapses, which it eventually inevitably will. In the meantime,… Read more »

Dave
Dave
Jul 2, 2023 11:19 AM

I have a waking nightmare about an army of autistic, ball-less pink haired maniacs torching my farm in 5-10 years

Roserval Parkun
Roserval Parkun
Jul 2, 2023 12:39 PM
Reply to  Dave

From what you’re saying, I assume that you’re Canadian – kudoz to you for retaining common sense. From what I’m hearing, Canadians have gone completely woke bonkers.

Dave
Dave
Jul 2, 2023 1:29 PM

The psy ops are strong here still.
20% mask wearing , even in the rain.

Roserval Parkun
Roserval Parkun
Jul 2, 2023 2:09 PM
Reply to  Dave

Nuts! I guess people got too soft. In the Canada I remember, the flu would never stop anybody from normal functioning. There was always somebody sick around and nobody gave two shits.

Hang in there!

hele
hele
Jul 3, 2023 3:41 AM
Reply to  Dave

I just got a message from the hotel booking I made for trip to Vancouver-saying guests must provide proof of vaccination.I will cancel this booking -but FFS.

Roserval Parkun
Roserval Parkun
Jul 3, 2023 4:11 PM
Reply to  hele

I doubt that they’re legally allowed to ask for anything like that. Only the government can impose public health measures. A friggin’ hotel can’t discriminate people based on their medical status. Serve them a notice to shove this up their ass. If they insist, charge them for any extra expenses you might incur.

Erik Nielsen
Erik Nielsen
Jul 2, 2023 1:33 PM
Reply to  Dave

As you may know all nightmares are coming through, because its your senses warning signals about what you cant expect in the forthcoming future.
You deny it with your brain, it cant be true, but your senses never lie.

ZenPriest
ZenPriest
Jul 3, 2023 12:03 PM
Reply to  Dave

Certainly not very masculine.

George Mc
George Mc
Jul 1, 2023 10:48 PM

Half the world is at risk of dengue. Why is there no universal way to prevent it?

This painful, mosquito-borne virus could spread even more if new innovations can’t scale.

Is anyone still buying this?

How about this?:

The Coronavirus Pandemic’s Ongoing Legacy: COVID Orphans

They can flog that stiff as much as they want. It ain’t movin’.

Matt
Matt
Jul 2, 2023 10:46 AM
Reply to  George Mc

“COVID Orphans”!?
Speechless.

Indrek
Indrek
Jul 1, 2023 9:03 PM

Subtly written.
Agree wholeheartedly.
In the past 4 years, I have gone down many rabbit holes.
And I’m glad I did…

el Gallinazo
el Gallinazo
Jul 1, 2023 9:00 PM

It is instinctual to fear the unknown and thus to stay on the old beaten path. Three things can dislodge us from sheepitude into shrewdom. Boredom, suffering, and most importantly, curiosity. Let’s hope we shrews are never tamed.

KiwiJoker
KiwiJoker
Jul 1, 2023 8:41 PM

We aren’t animals.

We are Humans.

Some are woke, some are awake.

Pilgrim Shadow
Pilgrim Shadow
Jul 1, 2023 10:32 PM
Reply to  KiwiJoker

We are animals, and we forget that fact at our peril.

The Coming Revolution
The Coming Revolution
Jul 1, 2023 10:51 PM
Reply to  Pilgrim Shadow

Let’s synthetize that: We are animals endowed with self-consciousness.

And everybody’s happy!

Erik Nielsen
Erik Nielsen
Jul 1, 2023 11:14 PM

No one is ever going to call me an animal. Never.

Pilgrim Shadow
Pilgrim Shadow
Jul 2, 2023 1:00 AM
Reply to  Erik Nielsen

You’re an animal. It’s not an insult; it’s biology.

Radha
Radha
Jul 2, 2023 10:24 AM
Reply to  Erik Nielsen

how about mammal then?

Erik Nielsen
Erik Nielsen
Jul 2, 2023 1:42 PM
Reply to  Radha

Im human and man. its as simple as that. Want more?
Created in God’s picture with a duty to acquaint myself with the laws of the universe and the way our earth function.
In addition as master for this our earth I have the commando and duty to steer my ship free of collisions, storms, and shallow water.
To help me through the night I got the most beautiful creature as my assistant to conduct the organising of the more protected areas inside the ship with the children.

No animal can do that.

Pilgrim Shadow
Pilgrim Shadow
Jul 2, 2023 1:08 AM

My original post said something similar. Sadly, Nature does not endow all her children equally.

wardropper
wardropper
Jul 2, 2023 1:25 PM
Reply to  Pilgrim Shadow

Let’s put it this way:
We can choose to be animals if we wish.
Animals can’t make that choice.

Pilgrim Shadow
Pilgrim Shadow
Jul 2, 2023 5:49 PM
Reply to  wardropper

Humans act like animals all the time, at the most basic level of behavior. It’s not that we choose to be animals, it’s that we are animals, at the most fundamental level of our physical existence. We eat, we breathe, we sleep, we shit and piss, we look for comfort. We fight, and mate, and breed, and rear our offspring. Such are the requirements of survival on this world.

Some, a comparative few, can transcend the basest impulses, instincts and drives and choose to be more broadly human, but ultimately, it’s impossible to understand our human nature without accepting the animal side of it.

randy
randy
Jul 3, 2023 10:52 AM
Reply to  Pilgrim Shadow

Cue in…

Bloodhound Gang – The Bad Touch

Pilgrim Shadow
Pilgrim Shadow
Jul 3, 2023 2:10 PM
Reply to  randy

Are we not (hu)Men?

wardropper
wardropper
Jul 3, 2023 5:27 PM
Reply to  Pilgrim Shadow

Well, I disagree.
When we act like animals, we have chosen to do so, just as we choose to do most of the things we do in the 21st Century.

A sheep and a wolf, on the other hand, have no choices in the matter of being a victim or a predator.
It’s simply what they are.

And I really don’t see any reason to use the most animal-like of our species to condemn the whole lot of us.

If you were right, we would never have evolved at all, and we’d all be Harvey Weinsteins, Tony Blairs, Myra Hindleys or Maggie Thatchers – all of them psychopathic, opportunistic parasites.

But it seems quite clear to me that we have indeed evolved since our amoebic distant past, despite the appalling mess which the worst representatives of our species are currently creating around us.

Pilgrim Shadow
Pilgrim Shadow
Jul 3, 2023 10:09 PM
Reply to  wardropper

So what do you mean when you say acting like animals? If a mother nurses her baby, is she acting like an animal? After all, some animals nurse their offspring. If two people compete for the affection or attention of a potential mate, are they acting like animals? After all, reproduction in the animal world almost universally happens after competition. Most actions engaged in by animals, whatever the species, are value neutral; they’re simply survival based. Are human beings excused from these behaviors? If a herd of wildebeest join together to chase off a group of lions in order to protect one of their calves, is this any different from human animals protecting their own offspring? There are any number of videos available where you can watch animals go out of their way to rescue another animal, either of their own kind, or even from another species, frequently including Man.… Read more »

mgeo
mgeo
Jul 4, 2023 8:39 AM
Reply to  Pilgrim Shadow

Well argued. But don’t expect an admission that you are right. This is an article of faith.

Pilgrim Shadow
Pilgrim Shadow
Jul 4, 2023 2:54 PM
Reply to  mgeo

Yeah, you’re right, thanks.

turesankara
turesankara
Jul 1, 2023 7:57 PM

“Beware the false profits who come to you in sheep’s suits but inwardly are ravenous wolves of Wall Street.”

Thomas L Frey
Thomas L Frey
Jul 1, 2023 7:48 PM

The dam breaking is exactly why the war against all people by government is escalating.
A bell curve of sorts throughout the cycle of history.
I imagine a major rewrite of history is an important part of their great Reset.

Be prepared that many of the people we love won’t make it.
Enjoy and appreciate everything you can, while you can.

Todd Hayen
Todd Hayen
Jul 1, 2023 8:20 PM
Reply to  Thomas L Frey

My sentiments exactly. We are already seeing the rewrite of history with “presentism” and the “woke” culture…

Jan J
Jan J
Jul 2, 2023 8:02 AM
Reply to  Todd Hayen

Todd, have you heard about the “default to truth” hypothesis? On a recent business trip I picked up a book called “talking to strangers” on the airport where this hypothesis is given some considerable “airtime” (it’s an interesting book as well). Anyway, I think it explains why most people are sheep – it’s simply too mentally costly and draining to maintain constant vigilance, so most people just subconsciously assume other parties are telling the truth. It’s basically a part of our human “operating system” for working together in groups, hence not that easy to change.

The interesting question I guess is why some people are more “shrew-like” – what unique experiences or traits unite us? Are we random mental “mutations” from the norm? I guess you as a psychologist could have some insight on this – do you have many “shrew” patients? Or mostly sheep?

Todd Hayen
Todd Hayen
Jul 4, 2023 11:35 PM
Reply to  Jan J

Very good points. About 80% of my clients would fall into the sheep mindset, the rest are shrew-like. When I discover a client as a sheep-like person, I never divulge my “shrew self” and do not see them as inferior in any way. I am curious to know why they believe what they believe, and most would fit in your description.

The shrew clients are desperate to talk to a shrew. They are generally very anxious due to what is going on and feel horribly isolated. They need a lot of support. The sheep-types are generally quite depressed, and can’t see any reason why.

el Gallinazo
el Gallinazo
Jul 1, 2023 8:42 PM
Reply to  Thomas L Frey

I think we’re gonna need a bigger memory hole.

Dave
Dave
Jul 1, 2023 11:13 PM
Reply to  Thomas L Frey

What is the NWO cults ace in the sleeve?
False Flag Nuclear disaster?

Thomas Frey
Thomas Frey
Jul 2, 2023 7:11 PM
Reply to  Dave

Economic collapse followed by pestilence, famine, and war.
The oldest playbook in history.

Straight Talk
Straight Talk
Jul 1, 2023 7:42 PM

There was no greater film than Broadcast News the document to hostile takeover of the news department. The 1980’s marked the true beginning of the fascist privatization of the Commons. Carter did begin with union-busting, but fascism really began its damage from the 80’s on. Today, for example, I was surrounded by three otherwise intelligent people (or so I thought) laughing at Robert Kennedy, Jr.’s voice. Imagine being so indoctrinated by PR that you cannot get beyond the presentation of a very important message that they are delivering. Stephen Hawking would never stand a chance. If the egoism of the global fascists could be subsided by self-reflection, the US could have another Kennedy as president, in repentance of the deliberate murder of its several family members. The US could pick up the pieces of yet another nation smashed to pieces by capitalist degenerates and begin again, ending the nightmarish detour… Read more »

Crush Limbraw
Crush Limbraw
Jul 1, 2023 7:01 PM

And the height of ignorance is when it is WILLFUL – all the while posing as intelligence – https://crushlimbraw.blogspot.com/2022/10/the-height-of-ignorance-when-it-becomes.html?m=0 – happens to every institution and their members who ASSume they are now the arbiters of truth.
Been there, done that……learned in the last 15-20 years that most of what I knew before was bullshit and propaganda!

eman
eman
Jul 1, 2023 2:50 PM

“How can you be sure you[conspiracy theorist] are right and we are wrong?” “We want to actually understand why things are like they are.” <=Theory comes from hypothesis that cannot be, or have not yet been, proven wrong. Hypotheses are developed from knowledge, imagination and the occurrence of events or discovery of circumstance which begs for an explanation. Attempts to understand how the corruption came about, breeds a myriad of hypothesis designed to explain the corruption. hypothesis are assembled and condensed into theories. Corruption is almost always the result of planning and execution of a plan (a conspiracy) by one or more conspirators. Even if the corruption was planned by but one person, even if that person is the sole benefactor of the corruption, it generally takes more than one (co conspirator) to help that person execute his or her corruption. Nearly everything a corporation or a partnership or a… Read more »

Clutching at straws
Clutching at straws
Jul 1, 2023 10:27 PM
Reply to  eman

I’m Spartacus.

Guilty as charged.

Stella
Stella
Jul 1, 2023 1:07 PM

“we certainly do it when facing big sweeping pronouncements and when the powers that be tell us we all have to “do” this or that, like take a vaccine no one has really studied for a virus that no one really knows that much about.”
You describe me!

fatalist
fatalist
Jul 1, 2023 1:01 PM

Sheep aren’t born, they’re employed. Having a job, a family and a mortgage is like having your ankles chained together. There’s nowhere to run.

I just spent a few hours studying the American civil war. As many as 750K people died because Abraham Lincoln was a gangster who wanted to protect his revenue stream. The average citizen was cannon fodder and he knew there was no way his opinions would save his life. If you have roots you can’t run.

TRT
TRT
Jul 1, 2023 5:27 PM
Reply to  fatalist

The vast majority of people I know (nearly everyone) were Covid true believers, just like they’re true believers with every other mainstream narrative. They didn’t want to run.

Clutching at straws
Clutching at straws
Jul 1, 2023 7:20 PM
Reply to  TRT

Oh, how right you are.

Ras-Pootin
Ras-Pootin
Jul 2, 2023 6:39 PM
Reply to  fatalist

I think mortgage comes for the French for “death grip”… or at least it should.

The search for the illusion of security in the form of a “full-time job” (being employed, aka wage slavery), two kids and a spouse leads directly to loss of freedom. This is why the church insists on procreation. If you have kids, you are usually not in a position not to be a sheep unless you’re really rich…

Clive Williams
Clive Williams
Jul 6, 2023 6:28 AM
Reply to  Ras-Pootin

UK. Work is a… to trudge return to the Job Centre, only a fool balloons of jobs are a working reproductive success. 1980.

Todd Hayen
Todd Hayen
Jul 4, 2023 11:37 PM
Reply to  fatalist

Seriously, I would be interested in reading anything about the American Civil war that describes Lincoln as a gangster. Can you supply a link?

fatalist
fatalist
Jul 5, 2023 12:53 AM
Reply to  Todd Hayen

In a spirit of unsheepness I formed my own opinion and chose my own words. I was influenced by the following  Samuel Johnson on the American founding fathers. “Sir, they are a race of convicts, and ought to be thankful for anything we allow them short of hanging.” The Founding Scam in (2004) Counterpunch describes a very mafia-like insider trading currency scam involving war issued ‘continentals’.. Lincoln ‘killed’ up to 750K people for his own political advantage (the tariff) . That’s gangsterism. The denouement of arguably  the most celebrated  American novel ‘The Great Gatsby’ is that the glittering socialite Gatsby was a gangster. That obviously struck a chord with Americans. The Kennedys had strong Cosa Nostra connections. JFK was shot in the street like a mafia punk. Joe Biden is an out and out crook. ‘If the Nuremberg laws were applied, then every post-war American president would have been hanged’.… Read more »

Clive Williams
Clive Williams
Jul 6, 2023 7:58 AM
Reply to  fatalist

Mixed rubbish isn’t an opinion it’s Propaganda spin washing machine. Why CW in July 18th Century straight leap frog to 1963, pathetic. And you call it what…”unsheepishness”.
What the hell does that mean, you moron.

fatalist
fatalist
Jul 7, 2023 2:53 AM
Reply to  Clive Williams

I was simply laying out a few reasons I think the United States is a gangster style operation.

Clive Williams
Clive Williams
Jul 6, 2023 7:49 AM
Reply to  Todd Hayen

Yea, a federal Unionist she’ll lead you straight to Irish Brigades on both sides, Gettysburg PA.
Historical revisionists are 18,19 hundred worm bait. Go there Todd, weather is beautiful. Orange Sunsets. Large moon nights.

docloxvio
docloxvio
Jul 6, 2023 1:47 PM
Reply to  Todd Hayen

Probably anything by Thomas DiLorenzo but here is a good one to start with:

https://www.amazon.com/Real-Lincoln-Abraham-Agenda-Unnecessary/dp/0761526463

Todd Hayen
Todd Hayen
Jul 6, 2023 6:02 PM
Reply to  docloxvio

Thank you…ordered it. Are there any of our institution and heroes left standing???

docloxvio
docloxvio
Jul 8, 2023 12:20 PM
Reply to  Todd Hayen

I am not aware of any, as even the purest among us are human and subject to human faults and weaknesses. I suspect that those who aspire to rule the rest of us are at best, sociopaths, and thus by definition are certainly not the ‘most pure’.

Bryan
Bryan
Jul 1, 2023 12:57 PM

In the spirit of jest – just for shits and sheepish giggles – if we really “want to actually understand why things are like they are” – especially if “facing big sweeping pronouncements” – we may at some point want to encounter the scale of the anthropogenic agenda in play right now. Well aware that dynamic systems thinkers and reductive linear thinkers tend to talk past each other; I propose a non-taxing thought experiment: <<If there are ~8bn humans alive today – how many of them would need to be in the workforce right now to maintain the current anthropogenic agenda of our industrial civilisation? All of them? Even if the virtual workforce was 8bn, the technological machines we use allow us to amplify the locomotor power of the human body by at least two orders of magnitude (x10 x10 = 100); requiring a virtual workforce 800bn in backbreaking manual… Read more »

Roserval Parkun
Roserval Parkun
Jul 1, 2023 12:26 PM

The sheep vs. shrew dichotomy is basically another angle to view the collectivist vs. individualist approach to life. Unlike the essentially economic collectivism in the past, today’s collectivism is an extreme protectionist ideology, under which people a) seek and expect protection from the “establishment” against just about anything and b) force everybody else to conform to patterns imposed by the establishment to that effect. Just like economic collectivism, which was a road to hell because it killed competition, entrepreneurship, curiosity, will to do anything, the present protectionist collectivism is, or rather will be, a road to hell because it will further atrophy and eliminate whatever devices people have left and will make them completely dependent on the establishment. Eventually, the whole thing will collapse. “Shrews” are obviously aware of this and refuse to outsource their well-being to the establishment – the collective for all sorts of reasons, the principal one… Read more »

Erik Nielsen
Erik Nielsen
Jul 1, 2023 8:53 PM

Strange physical feeling. Very strange sentiment, same here.
Collectivism when it opens its mouth, pour out false and wrong conceptions and sweet greasy words from new speak, can physically make straight people to get the sentiment of puking out of disgust. Its stuff for shrinks to explain.

les online
les online
Jul 2, 2023 2:06 AM

A very shrewd observation, indeed !!

Johnny
Johnny
Jul 1, 2023 11:58 AM

Krishnamurti, Kropotkin and curiosity woke me up more than forty years ago. The Sheeple are on a fools errand.

Christine Thompson
Christine Thompson
Jul 1, 2023 6:53 PM
Reply to  Johnny

I’ve been ‘awake’ for 40-45 years (since my late teens/early 20s). All my family members are still ‘asleep’, and all bar a couple of my friends, ditto.
They refuse to listen to/accept anything other than the MSM narrative (whatever the subject matter). More fool them.

HamsterWheel
HamsterWheel
Jul 1, 2023 11:19 PM

Well done for being awake for 40-45 years.. very impressive! What’s not impressive, is not being able to wake up a single family member in that time. Maybe they’re all going to heaven anyway so no big deal for them… please spare me the lecture on spiritualism certainties.

Apologies if my first post comes across as a little cruel and/or arsey. I’m just reacting to your arrogance on being awake and your certainty on what happens when we die. Just made my toes curl and fingers twitchy on the comment button (I’ve never got the toe curl thing until today)

Christine Thompson
Christine Thompson
Jul 2, 2023 10:37 AM
Reply to  HamsterWheel

Like all the literally countless millions of other properly-informed, spiritually-enlightened people around the world also are, I’m 100% certain as to what happens to each and every one of us at and after the illusory event that’s wholly incorrectly termed ‘death’ precisely because there truly IS absolute, incontrovertible PROOF that what happens is what I’ve said re. that, in my posts on that oh so vital subject. As I’ve 100% correctly stated, there exist 20+ [twenty+] different categories of the multi-faceted evidences re. what takes place for literally everyone, at and after ‘death’. It’s not mere conjecture, it happens to be absolute fact. And I’m NOT ‘arrogant’ re. being ‘awake’. I’ve simply stated a fact! And re. not being able to ‘wake up’ any of my family members is due to their being despicably closed-minded; they refuse to investigate any of the big areas/subjects which I (and which countless millions… Read more »

HamsterWheel
HamsterWheel
Jul 2, 2023 11:38 AM

Yes this is the tragedy, that we can’t wake up our family and friends.
So for me, my celebration of being awake is soured by having people i care about still blinded. And even worse them having been multi-jabbed… this is a miserable celebration when I see the damage all around.
The spiritualism stuff you are so sure about is up for debate in my view but the evil of the pLandemic is unequivocal. Evil might also be a debatable word but we agree it’s lies from start to finish and tragically it’s far from finished.

Christine Thompson
Christine Thompson
Jul 2, 2023 2:47 PM
Reply to  HamsterWheel

As many people commenting here on Off-G are aware, no matter how many incontrovertible facts and truths we provide to the ‘sheep’/’normies’, they will not ‘wake up’. People won’t be able to ‘wake up’ until they, deep down, are ready to ‘wake up’. Yes, what’s been taking place worldwide since early 2020 is most definitely ‘lies from start to finish’, and yes, you’re also right when you say ‘tragically, it’s far from finished’. And that statement of fact (what I said in the last sentence of the first paragraph of this post) applies to ALL ‘controversial’ subjects… so, for eg, people will not ‘wake up’ and accept the in fact PROVEN survival of physical body death truth UNTIL they, deep down inside, are ready to wake up and accept its very real truth. If you really wanted to become aware of its very real truth, all you’d have to do… Read more »

ZenPriest
ZenPriest
Jul 3, 2023 12:14 PM
Reply to  HamsterWheel

It is not in our hands to ‘wake up’ people. The best we can do is point the way. Whether that person truly awakens is whether they submit to God. Then His grace comes upon you.

Howard
Howard
Jul 3, 2023 3:51 PM

Let me interject something here, because here is where your appearance of arrogance comes in. You always equate those unawake with being somehow addicted to MSM propaganda and glued to their TVs.

Now that may be the case with your family members. But certainly is not the case with everyone who is “unawake.”

Since I fit your definition of being unawake, it should be quite apparent that I am not addicted to MSM propaganda; nor am I glued to my TV.

I would also venture to say that many other commenters in this forum fit your definition of “unawake.” And clearly they are nothing like your family members.

There is always the potential to be perceived as arrogant when one generalizes – even though it’s very difficult not to.

Will
Will
Jul 1, 2023 11:43 AM

Why so much equivocation, brother?

People who shoot dissidents in the snowy woods, inject their own children with toxins, administer electric shocks to complete strangers, and so and so forth, ad nauseam – why so much concern for their feelings?

I mean, on the one hand: Forgive them Father, for they know not what they do – now there’s a conversation! But in the meantime, these empty vessels threaten to capsize the shop, and drag us all down.

I know too many ‘shrews’ who are frightened to cause a fucking scene over breakfast! the war will not be won this way.

I would suggest zero tolerance for the Lie, and a warrior spirit.

Will
Will
Jul 1, 2023 12:05 PM
Reply to  Will

Because there is nothing subtle about any of it. One day, one finally notices the glaringly obvious, and wonders why it took so long. That’s why it’s called ‘waking up’. A cursory glance in the direction of virology, ‘climate change’, Building 7, and so on and so forth, settles it. That’s all it takes. A ten-year-old child can drive a tricycle through any of these narratives . . . and so, we are in the arena of the unwell. And THAT is the ‘terror of the situation’ (to quote Gurdjieff). Take 911, for example. The horror was not on account of realising that governments routinely lie, murder their own people, etc. – or even that reality per se, so far as geopolitics go, is not what it seems – it’s none of that! It is the fact that Building 7 pancaked in front of the assembled world’s media, and NO… Read more »

YourPointBeing
YourPointBeing
Jul 1, 2023 1:39 PM
Reply to  Will

Bonus point for the Withnail & I quote

Howard
Howard
Jul 1, 2023 3:46 PM
Reply to  Will

The narrative is not necessarily the thing itself.

For instance, we must all die eventually. Just because the narrative acknowledges this and then twists and turns it into something those behind the narrative can make a profit on – such as transhumanism – doesn’t mean it’s a lie that we’ll one day die.

Same with other things encased in a narrative. Sometimes there really is a kernel of truth lurking somewhere in the narrative.

Sometimes we critically thinking shrews get a little carried away with our own findings to the point of becoming as concrete bound and hubristic as the purveyors of narratives.

It’s admirable to stand one’s ground. But is preserving one’s intellectual integrity always worth torpedoing long standing relationships?

Christine Thompson
Christine Thompson
Jul 1, 2023 8:49 PM
Reply to  Howard

I’ve just seen your post to me, timed at 5.08pm UK time, on the Off-G article, ‘To live forever’, of a few days ago. Have just posted a reply (at approx. 8.37pm UK time, today, 1 July). It won’t yet have been printed, of course [unless the posts have just been updated, in the last few minutes!]. Re. your post above. You say “… we must all die eventually”. Well (as you know full well, due to my posts on this subject, on the occasions when they seem appropriate), it’s our physical body ‘coat’ that dies, but not the real us…! The real us being our eternal, immortal soul/spirit body, which is what literally animates our physical body ‘coat’ whilst we’re here on Earth, in each of our eternal soul’s many, many lifetimes. That spirit body (the real us) literally departs from the physical body at ‘death’ (it has been… Read more »

Roserval Parkun
Roserval Parkun
Jul 2, 2023 5:37 AM

The only question that remains to be answered is how much vodka the clairvoyants drank or what and how much stuff they injected themselves with before having their vision.

Incidentally, do you have an isolated, purified sample of the spirit body, the real yous, that literally departs from the physical body at death? Have you lodged an FOI request with the government if they got some of the stuff?

Christine Thompson
Christine Thompson
Jul 2, 2023 10:57 AM

Well, that is such a puerile response that I shouldn’t even deign to reply. The ‘stuff’ that is very correctly termed ‘spirit’ is (by very definition) not physical. The ‘stuff’ termed spirit (ie, [spiritual] energy, consciousness) is what’s termed the fundamental substrate of literally everything in the multi-dimensional cosmos. Ie, it (spirit/consciousness) is what literally everything (literally everything) in the cosmos is composed of. Spirit/energy does what’s termed vibrate at different frequencies; energy which vibrates at a [relatively] slow frequency creates what we on Earth term ‘physical matter’; and energy which vibrates at a very rapid frequency creates non-physical ‘spirit’; ie, the non-physical Spirit dimension/Spirit world/Spirit realm, and our oh so very real immortal spirit body: which is the real us, and is what literally animates our physical body, whilst we’re here on Earth, in our eternal soul’s many, many lifetimes. At the point of ‘death’, the spirit body literally… Read more »

Roserval Parkun
Roserval Parkun
Jul 2, 2023 2:15 PM

So, how much booze did you drink before writing all this? Or you’re high on something else?

Anyways, who were these scholarly books written by? Some guy who’s returned from the dead? How did he do it? Made his dead self vibrate at a lower frequency and thus became a non-dead self?

What’s the approximate frequency of the spirit in Hertz? How can something immaterial (spirit) vibrate? Energy is immaterial? Huh?

Questions, questions!

Christine Thompson
Christine Thompson
Jul 2, 2023 3:19 PM

I did not drink any ‘booze’ before writing my earlier post on this. And I do NOT ‘do drugs’, so QUIT even suggesting that. There are many, many thousands of high-quality, scholarly books written and published re. the 100% proven fact that we do all survive (in our immortal spirit body form: that being the thing which literally animates our physical body ‘coat’ whilst on Earth) the death of our physical body. And a large percentage of those books have been written by properly-informed, spiritually-enlightened scientists, doctors, nurses, psychiatrists, coroners, lawyers, etc etc. What I stated in my post to you of approx. 4 hours ago (re. energy being the fundamental substrate of the multi-dimensional cosmos, and that that energy does what’s termed vibrate at different frequencies) happens to be a scientific fact!! A scientific fact that is known by all properly-informed scientists around the world! So just because you… Read more »

Christine Thompson
Christine Thompson
Jul 2, 2023 3:22 PM

I’ve just (3.19pm here in the UK, on 2nd July) posted a reply to you, but it’s gone into ‘pending’. Hopefully it will be published.

Christine Thompson
Christine Thompson
Jul 2, 2023 4:33 PM

My reply to you (timed at 3.19pm today) is still in ‘pending’. I’ve sent a query to the Editorial team, to ask why that is so. In my reply, I included a representative list [I listed approx. 40 titles and their authors] of high-quality, scholarly books that have been published re. the proven fact of everyone’s survival (in our immortal spirit body form) of our physical body ‘coat’. On previous occasions over the past couple of years when I’ve provided a commenter with that list, it has been printed. I also said, in my reply at 3.19p, that NO, I had not been ‘boozing’ prior to posting, and that I do NOT ‘do drugs’. I also stated that what I’d said in my earlier post re. energy being the fundamental substrate of the multi-dimensional cosmos, that it, energy, does what’s termed vibrate at different frequencies, happens to be a scientific… Read more »

Roserval Parkun
Roserval Parkun
Jul 2, 2023 4:47 PM

I don’t know what you’re high on, but you do appear high as a kite. Doing the whirling dervish thing, maybe?

What’s the frequency in Hertz of the high-frequency spirit? What exactly is vibrating if it’s immaterial?

You do understand that just because some fucker puts down his hallucinations down in a book, it doesn’t necessarily mean that it’s 100% factually correct, right?

Did you have religious education as a kid? Meaning that they’ve implanted this occultist shit into your subconscious?

And what the fuck does it matter if some substrate continues to exist after you croak? It won’t be you Christine anymore. It will be some vibrating shit.

Anyway, take it easy on the whirling and worry about living this life, not the hallucinatory prospect of vibrating at a higher frequency in the form of some substrate after you kick the bucket.

Christine Thompson
Christine Thompson
Jul 2, 2023 5:57 PM

You will get one very huge shock, on the eventual day on which you do what is so very incorrectly termed to ‘die’, for when that day eventually arrives, for you, you truly WILL discover, in the most undeniable manner possible, that you have survived (in your spirit body form) the death of your physical body ‘coat’. And you will then say to yourself words on the lines of “Oh no, that Englishwoman, Christine, on that online forum, on Earth, was stating the very real truths; she wasn’t ‘high’ on anything, she was stating the 100% factual truth, re. everyone’s survival of the immensely illusory event that’s wrongly termed ‘death’. And I subjected her to vile ad hominem abuses, on that forum. Oh, I wish I’d not done that… She was informed on the facts, facts which I was then ignorant of. And thus I chose to [unwarrantedly] abuse her,… Read more »

Roserval Parkun
Roserval Parkun
Jul 2, 2023 6:04 PM

How do you know that your partner has discovered it? He’s reduced the high-frequency oscillations of his dead self to come back to life temporarily to reveal his error to you?

This is some batshit fucking crazy stuff you’re peddling, Christine!

Christine Thompson
Christine Thompson
Jul 2, 2023 7:06 PM

I repeat, that on the eventual day on which you do what is so very incorrectly termed ‘die’, you will indeed discover (to your quite obviously huge shock) that you have survived (in your spirit body form) the death of your physical body ‘coat’. I am NOT “peddling batshit f—ing crazy stuff”. What I’ve stated happens to be the 100% factual, proven truth. As you will one day find out. People [souls] who now reside in their spirit body in the very real Spirit dimension communicate with their loved ones on Earth via numerous proven-genuine mediums. They’ve done this for thousands of years, did you but know it. There are multitudes of PROOFS of the genuineness of these literally billions upon billions of communications from souls in Spirit to their loved-ones on Earth, around the world. One of my many hundreds of personal proofs includes the following: that in 2004,… Read more »

Christine Thompson
Christine Thompson
Jul 2, 2023 7:08 PM

Oops, a typo in that post . * Caribbean, and not ‘Carribean’, as I accidentally typed in the first mention I made of that region on Earth, in the above post.

Roserval Parkun
Roserval Parkun
Jul 2, 2023 7:12 PM

Well, at least you got something. Trinidad is good. A large part of my “soul” is Trini. I spent quite some time with Trini guys and especially girls. Was planning to move there, but not sure if that will happen. Canary Islands are more likely.

Anyways, since you’re so well plugged in, can you arrange it for me that my spirit leaves my putrefying body on the special day, my spirit goes right to the spiritual Trinidad, wherever the fuck it is?

Merci d’avance

CO-
CO-
Jul 2, 2023 6:59 PM

Ros wrote:

You do understand that just because some fucker puts down his hallucinations down in a book, it doesn’t necessarily mean that it’s 100% factually correct, right?

Neither does it necessarily mean that its 100% factually incorrect either, or based entirely on hallucination. And how do we arrive at the notion that it IS simply based on hallucinations and not something else – so-called “paranormal experiences” for example?

How do you know that spirit, energy, life, consciousness and matter are not just so many different aspects of the same thing? The Ancients used to call it THAT which resolves all the vibrating shit that you referred to, and much more. Maybe THAT’s where most materialists (if not all) and idealists will end up anyway whether they like it or not, or whether we can prove it or not – who knows?

Roserval Parkun
Roserval Parkun
Jul 2, 2023 8:13 PM
Reply to  CO-

I don’t know and I don’t particularly care.

I don’t know what the Ancients were high on when they were calling something something.

I’m afraid that my normal self has no choice but live through its normality.

I don’t think that I’m overly materialistic. I am aware of non-material issues and that’s fine. I’m experiencing all of that through my material body, as do you and hallucinating Christine, and that’s all there’s to it.

When my self or soul or what-the-fucking-ever goes into the high-vibration mode (read: I’ll have kicked the bucket), my thus dead self will worry about what to do next then.

Until then, please spare me this occultist horseshit. For it evidently has nothing with our low-frequency existence anyways.

CO-
CO-
Jul 2, 2023 9:03 PM

Ros wrote:
When my self or soul or what-the-fucking-ever goes into the high-vibration mode (read: I’ll have kicked the bucket), my thus dead self will worry about what to do next then.

That’s precisely a speculative statement of intent on your part that perhaps affirms the “occultist horseshit” you wish to castigate is it not? Horseshit denied -affirmed.

Ras-Pootin
Ras-Pootin
Jul 2, 2023 7:08 PM

I’m sorry but that is not how it “really” is. The language of a spirit separate from the body is tired and shown to be inadequate by many teachers/philosophers. The things you are 100% certain of are ideas about death. Nobody survives death in a manner that can confirm anything about it convincingly (if anything individual survives at all), so it is an unknowable unknown, which is very difficult for a busy mind to come to terms with.. Most people’s metaphysics are hopelessly warped by over 1000 years of Abrahamic religion’s misdirection involving the denigration of material reality and the body as evil or lesser, unwanted, corrupt. The plan for eternal slavery is to set people up for failure and spiritual lobotomy by removing the knowledge that death and resurrection can and should be experienced while still alive. Those who say they will die first and then rise are in… Read more »

wardropper
wardropper
Jul 2, 2023 11:49 PM
Reply to  Ras-Pootin

Nevertheless, St. John’s “Book of Revelation” is an occult Christian text, and it speaks of those who will, or will not, survive the “Second Death”…
Implying that after the bodily death there is a death of the soul that awaits those who have rejected any idea of evolution towards ‘The Good’…
It’s something for spiritually-minded people to contemplate, even if the bulk of mankind thinks it has better things to do right now…

wardropper
wardropper
Jul 2, 2023 11:51 PM
Reply to  Ras-Pootin

and, incredibly, my attempt at being helpful has been put in the algorithmic queue for Elvis’s next concert…

Christine Thompson
Christine Thompson
Jul 3, 2023 9:30 AM
Reply to  Ras-Pootin

What I said in my posts of yesterday are the 100% proven, factual truths re. what takes place for everyone at and after the illusory event that’s very wrongly termed ‘death’. Ie, what I said IS “how it really is”.
People who deny that (the ‘teachers/philosophers’ that you mentioned, and all others who oh so wrongly deny it) are people who are materialistic, closed-minded, and uninformed re. the veritable wealth of multi-faceted evidences which incontrovertibly PROVE that we do indeed all survive (in our immortal spirit body form…) the death of our physical body ‘coat’.

I’m not going to repeat all that I said to Roserval Parkun yesterday.
The incontrovertible evidences are accessible for everyone, if they chose to carry out the extensive, requisite research into this ultimately-important subject.

Roserval Parkun
Roserval Parkun
Jul 3, 2023 10:36 AM

The incontrovertible evidence of death is the fact that you’re dead. Not moving. Expired. You’ll be former Christine and I’ll be former Roserval.

Will our spirit somehow survive? Certainly not in any material form, in any form perceptible to you or me as we are.

My biggest fear is that you’re right and that our spirits will in fact live on presumably in some form of collective existence and I’ll be exposed to your phantasmagorical hallucinatory drivel for ever and ever.

Christine Thompson
Christine Thompson
Jul 3, 2023 9:31 AM
Reply to  Ras-Pootin

P.S. to my reply to you of a minute or two ago.

What I’ve stated re. the fact of survival of ‘death’ are NOT merely ‘ideas’ re. survival (as you wrongly claimed). They truly are 100% proven facts. As you will one day discover.

ZenPriest
ZenPriest
Jul 3, 2023 12:24 PM

Of course the spirit does not die with the physical body.
It’s what happens after that that’s important. Your maker will judge you for what you’ve done.

Christine Thompson
Christine Thompson
Jul 3, 2023 7:00 PM
Reply to  ZenPriest

Yes, the eternal, immortal soul/spirit body is the real us, and survives the death of our physical body ‘coat’. We return to the very real Spirit dimension of this multi-dimensional cosmos (our actual place of origin). However, we do NOT get ‘judged’ by our ‘Maker’. The Supreme Creative Mind which created the multi-dimensional cosmos and all life is NOT a person; it’s an energy. And when we each return to the Spirit realms (after each of our eternal soul’s many, many lifetimes…), we do NOT “stand in front of a person called ‘god’ and get judged”. That’s what ‘christians’ wrongly think. What does take place, after we return to the Spirit world (the Afterlife), is that we each undergo what’s termed a ‘Life Review’. We judge ourselves, no-one else ‘judges’ us. In the Life Review, we are accompanied by our personal Spirit Guide (we all have at least one [sometimes… Read more »

zenpriest
zenpriest
Jul 3, 2023 8:23 PM

Of all the words one could use to describe me, gullible is not one of them. My search for truth led me to Jesus, it doesn’t matter what you say because I know – and the reason is do is because God revealed himself to me. This has happened to countless others and we are not all ‘gullible masses’ (although many Christians fall into this category).
You on the other hand have fallen for new age nonsense. You’ll be judged when your meat suit expires and there will be a consequence. God is kind, that’s why He built in a way to avoid eternal death which is to repent of all your wrongdoings and submit to Him. I would wish you luck but a true Christian believes in no such thing.

Christine Thompson
Christine Thompson
Jul 4, 2023 10:24 AM
Reply to  zenpriest

You have been brainwashed. What I’ve stated in my posts on this subject, here on Off-G (on the rare occasions when it fits the subjects being talked of, on the forum), are the 100% proven facts of what takes place at and after the very illusory ‘death’, is NOT ‘new age nonsense’. It is you ‘christians’ around the world who will discover that the Afterlife is not what you’d been ‘told’ it was, by your totally unaware, spiritually-uninformed vicars, priests, ministers, pastors, ‘popes’, etc etc. They (vicars, priests, etc), 99.9% of them, literally have no idea what happens at and after the wholly illusory ‘death’!!! Which is why they spew out the falsehoods which 99.99% of ‘christians’ around the world have fallen for. You have fallen for false ‘christian’ dogma, as opposed to what are the known, PROVEN facts re. the actual nature of the Afterlife. And on the eventual… Read more »

ZenPriest
ZenPriest
Jul 5, 2023 10:35 AM

You have put your belief in the men and women of the world. I put mine in God. We will see who’s right. At least now you no longer have the excuse of not knowing Jesus.

Erik Nielsen
Erik Nielsen
Jul 1, 2023 8:59 PM
Reply to  Will

Amen man. Thats the way!

Todd Hayen
Todd Hayen
Jul 4, 2023 11:41 PM
Reply to  Will

OMG…thank you. I try to be kind, but I have been accused here of being cruel and insensitive. I do think we have a problem.

thinking-turtle
thinking-turtle
Jul 1, 2023 10:37 AM

Eventually that is going to get them, and in a very hard way.

No human has ever known truth. We can only approximate it with simple mental models. When a model is no longer useful there are many other approximations to choose from.

In European society, the middle class earns money by working for corporations and governments. A sheep mindset works best for this class. The lower class works for wages or individuals, for which a shrew mindset works better. I now look back with shame on trying to lecture a plumber about politics in the 2000s.

I offer every sheep and every shrew my wishes for blessings, joy and laughter.

Erik Nielsen
Erik Nielsen
Jul 3, 2023 12:07 AM

2+2=4,
grass basic colour is green,
water’s cycle is evaporation from the sea to sky, from wind to land, rain to earth, via ground water, lakes, rivers, surplus back to the sea.
Love is the strongest force on earth and in heaven.
All plants, animals and humans, are all living creatures with each singular personality.
M.m.
All this is truth, known truth.

Paul Cardin
Paul Cardin
Jul 1, 2023 10:05 AM

When this guy’s roof caves in, I fear for his poor, poor, long-suffering friends and family

https://t.me/c/1532523053/16256

Clutching at straws
Clutching at straws
Jul 1, 2023 9:53 AM

I wrote a reply on this forum a while ago called “You’ve got too much time on your hands” Apologies for repeating but I think it’s relevant. I am, like Todd, always looking down rabbit holes and questioning EVERYTHING. I’ve heard the phrase ‘You’ve got too much time on your hands” my whole life because of my “curiosity” Now I’m retired I do have a lot of my time on my hands and, yes, I do use it to find out what’s going on. If you do this for a long time you start to see patterns. LGBT etc- division Lockdown – getting people used to authoritarianism. Jabs – compliance and division Just stop oil – To get the public to demand new, unnecessary laws to shut down ALL protests. Cashless society – implementation of programmable CBDC etc. etc. The majority of people who have a mortgage, family and a… Read more »

NikkiBop
NikkiBop
Jul 1, 2023 3:38 PM

Please don’t justify their ignorance. I personally worked in engineering, for the oil companies, pulling massive hours and still took time to understand what was really going on while informing my coworkers. It really doesn’t take that much effort to ask questions and be informed.

Clutching at straws
Clutching at straws
Jul 1, 2023 6:02 PM
Reply to  NikkiBop

You are absolutely correct but the majority are idiots.

Unfortunately, I found out last week that I am in the majority in France for being a conspiracy theorist.

So, I am officially an idiot.

C’est comme ça

Roserval Parkun
Roserval Parkun
Jul 2, 2023 2:18 PM

T’es ou en France? C’est vrai qui’il y a une espece de guerre civile?

Clutching at straws
Clutching at straws
Jul 2, 2023 8:54 PM

Nouvelle Aquitaine. Non. C’est les “jeunes” Le “looting” est vachement en vogue.

Veri Tas
Veri Tas
Jul 1, 2023 11:28 PM
Reply to  NikkiBop

Yes, especially with information at our fingertips today.

Speedwellian
Speedwellian
Jul 3, 2023 8:33 AM
Reply to  NikkiBop

True, it doesn’t take that much time, looking at it a thousand ways does.

SeamusPadraig
SeamusPadraig
Jul 1, 2023 4:01 PM

Of course they don’t have enough time. That’s how the system likes it. That’s why, for example, ‘labor-saving inventions’ never lead to shorter work-weeks, but only to more unemployment: to insure that those who are still working must work longer, and that those who are now unemployed are too busy looking for work.

NickM
NickM
Jul 1, 2023 5:20 PM
Reply to  SeamusPadraig

That’s an important point, and hardly ever discussed: Where is the Leisure that AI promised us in the 1960s?

As you say, all AU has done is to increase unemployment by eliminating human intervention and use the threat of unemployment to increase working hours. and decrease salaries.

It’s not AI, it’s who owns AI.

TRT
TRT
Jul 1, 2023 6:27 PM

Even before your retirement you made time because you wanted to learn. I’m not saying time constraints aren’t a factor. They are. But it’s more complicated than that.

Clutching at straws
Clutching at straws
Jul 1, 2023 7:24 PM
Reply to  TRT

Yeah but when you have a child that’s it.

Nothing else is more important.

you will do anything to protect your children, including “believing” the nonsense in order to keep a roof over your and your family’s heads.

And the bastards know this.

NickM
NickM
Jul 2, 2023 6:02 AM

“Nothing else is more important”.

Yet parents will “throw their children into the fire for Melech” (eg, by injecting an insufficiently tested Vaxx; or sending their sons into the Meat Grinder) if the group do it.

TRT
TRT
Jul 2, 2023 4:19 PM
Reply to  NickM

During Covid it seemed that fitting in with the herd was more important to many parents than protecting their children.

NickM
NickM
Jul 2, 2023 5:54 AM
Reply to  TRT

Not only more complicated but deeper rooted. Sheep have no timepieces but they conform nonetheless. Because sheep are by instinct herd animals. Group think is an ancient and strong survival tactic, related to the Law of Large Numbers.

Veri Tas
Veri Tas
Jul 1, 2023 11:28 PM

The majority DO have the time to go down those rabbit holes! They just voluntarily waste their time by watching TV.

StStephen
StStephen
Jul 1, 2023 9:12 AM

Yes. Nice rundown.

StStephen
StStephen
Jul 1, 2023 9:16 AM
Reply to  StStephen

Oh, and as it happens I’ve always like shrews and was thrilled when once I came across one sniffing out truth with his little trunk on a concrete path.

Thom Crewz
Thom Crewz
Jul 1, 2023 11:00 AM
Reply to  StStephen

They bite hard. I found that out when the 8 year old me thought the shrew I spotted while berry picking might like a cuddle.

Paul Watson
Paul Watson
Jul 1, 2023 9:12 AM

Its only the vaccinated that are suffering “Long Covid”
What more evidence do these people require that they are the victims of the crime of the century.

Paul Cardin
Paul Cardin
Jul 1, 2023 9:55 AM
Reply to  Paul Watson

Similarly it’s only the injected – whenever, wherever – that are autistic.

Clutching at straws
Clutching at straws
Jul 1, 2023 10:05 AM
Reply to  Paul Watson

Paul. They don’t want evidence. I used to urge people to look at VAERS and yellow cards. They actively choose not to.

Christine Thompson
Christine Thompson
Jul 1, 2023 11:28 AM

Yes, I’ve provided my family members (and all bar two friends who are already ‘awake’) with a mass of trustworthy information/data (incl. VAERS & Yellow Card scheme, here in the UK), re. what’s really going on, but they just don’t want to know. 99.99% of the time, they ignore what I send them, and on the rare occasion when my younger brother [57] responds to an item I’ve sent, he subjects me to vile verbal ridicule and abuse, re. whatever I’ve sent. Instead of becoming aware of what’s really going on, and trying to fight against it, they simply ignore it. And do things such as the following: a week or so ago, my brother’s wife [38] sent him a message on FB re. a mindless fictional film [‘My big Greek wedding’ series…] that she wanted them to watch… and he replied to her, saying “The Aegean… bring it on,… Read more »

Clutching at straws
Clutching at straws
Jul 1, 2023 11:34 AM

Yup.

I started off feeling sorry for them but that stopped a while ago.

The great “wake up” is certainly taking it’s time.

Looks like the last 50 years of dumbing down actually worked !

NickM
NickM
Jul 1, 2023 5:26 PM

“they just don’t want to know”

None so deaf as those who don’t want to hear.
None so blind as those who don’t want to see.
— New Testament

ZenPriest
ZenPriest
Jul 3, 2023 12:32 PM

I used to be like you – full of myself. Until I met Jesus. It totally changed how I view and treat these ‘sheep’.

Christine Thompson
Christine Thompson
Jul 1, 2023 10:05 AM
Reply to  Paul Watson

*The crime of all time, not merely the crime ‘of the century’.

Paul Watson
Paul Watson
Jul 1, 2023 1:12 PM

No that would be spiritualism.

Christine Thompson
Christine Thompson
Jul 1, 2023 2:05 PM
Reply to  Paul Watson

Spiritualism is actually (as I’ve 100% factually correctly stated, a number of times, on my posts on that vital truth of existence) the one and only ‘religion’ that CAN and DOES absolutely PROVE what it says.
And on the eventual day on which you do what’s so very incorrectly termed ‘die’, you WILL discover, in the most undeniable way imaginable, that what Spiritualism says is the very real truth.

Which is a far cry from your fundamentalist christian’ cr*p.

The Coming Revolution
The Coming Revolution
Jul 1, 2023 6:42 PM

Which is a far cry from your fundamentalist christian’ cr*p.”

What an irony coming from one Christine Thompson.😀

Christine Thompson
Christine Thompson
Jul 1, 2023 7:06 PM

A very distant relative of mine (a Scotsman; I’m English, but have Scottish ancestry on our maternal grandfather’s side) who was a fundamentalist christian, in the early 1990s said to me (similar to your comment above…), when I made him aware of what I think of ‘christians’ (and especially the fundamentalist ones…), “… are you going to start calling yourself ‘Ine’, then?”. (Christine, minus the ‘christ’…). I’m very proud to never have fallen for the ‘christian’ cr*p, and am very proud to have been a properly-informed Spiritualist since 1994. We Spiritualists truly are the only ‘religion’ that can absolutely PROVE what we say (re. the fact of everyone’s survival [in our immortal spirit body form] of physical body ‘death’, and of the actual nature of the very real Afterlife). All fundamentalist christians will get one very big shock, on the eventual days on which they do what is so very… Read more »

The Coming Revolution
The Coming Revolution
Jul 1, 2023 9:15 PM

I agree that we are not reduced to the physical body. IMO we can observe the action of the Spirit when we observe the historical development of a slight skin wound or a mild flu: we can argue about the evolution of the wound; we can invent concepts to refer to what we observe; we can build theories and a whole science to account for our observations; or we can just ignore the whole thing. However we ratiocinate about it does not in the least affect its evolution, which slowly but surely advances on its secret path, as if it has a life of its own. It is beyond cognition and beyond our usual consciousness and perceptions because it existed before them. The Spirit is what animates everything; and its unfolding is the purpose of History. The following is a quote from Hegel’s Phenomenology of Spirit that fully agrees with… Read more »

Bryan
Bryan
Jul 2, 2023 7:43 AM

The Weltgeist is not so much moving through history to reveal purely reflective self-consciousness (consciousness knowing consciousness) — but actually transforming the once well-ordered ecology into a pathologically disordered consumer economy — to reveal the Pure Concept at the end of history; led by the actions of the Great World Soul (on horseback) and so on. By the time the Weltgeist is done, there will not be any inhabitable region of the world left. BTW the phenomenological spirit is not a person, but the “spirit of the species” as Absolute Idealism [AI] — from whence Marx gets the concept of “species-being” or “species-essence” (“life begetting life”) which is our ethology (species-character.). Hence, the actually existent materialistic species-soul is the most rapacious, voracious, power-hungry, nihilistic antilife force ever unleashed on earth in ~4Bny. That is the apocalyptic nature of the anima mundi — “the I that is We” as the “We… Read more »

The Coming Revolution
The Coming Revolution
Jul 3, 2023 5:00 PM
Reply to  Bryan

I say let everything exhausts itself because it must. Whether we as a species survive is of the least concern to the Spirit because nothing dies really, it just transforms.

I understand that orderly situation humanity was in weren’t so orderly: before the Neolithic, although there was no exchange-value (no lucrative property) humans were scattered all over the globe into mutually-ignoring or mutually-fighting groups. The role exchange-value is historically fulfilling is to get humans to live in one “community of conscious life”; that’s what Capitalism is for, and that’s what this technology is, a medium to get together.

If the path to get there should be full of suffering then let it be, birth is always painful.

I thought Hegel came up with humanity as a being…

Ras-Pootin
Ras-Pootin
Jul 2, 2023 7:16 PM

“Christ” is from the Greek word for “Anointed one” and was a title, not a name.

NickM
NickM
Jul 3, 2023 6:18 AM
Reply to  Ras-Pootin

As in the Hebrew title: Yeshuah ha Mesheach (Jesus the Ointmented).

Howard
Howard
Jul 3, 2023 4:03 PM

I don’t mean this in any way ironically or sarcastically; nor am I “baiting” you (as others here clearly are). But I cannot help thinking you missed an important step in your enlightenment if you never fell for the Christian “crap.” Or some other kind of “crap.”

Knowledge should be incremental so that one can better understand where others are coming from. Maybe, also, having been affected by other points of view would have aided you in trying to awaken your family members?

Erik Nielsen
Erik Nielsen
Jul 1, 2023 9:16 PM
Reply to  Paul Watson

Maybe we should refrain from being nannies for other people and simply take their word for what it says.

“My ancient forefather was a flee infested chimpanzee who evolved into the cro-magnon man, who evolved to me who are like a computer.” No problem, this specie is probably you.

“I took all the jabs because I felt it was the right thing to do, and if I get sick my insurance will pay, and my family and friends will spend 24/7 the rest of their lives taking care of me, as I gave them something to wake up to every morning”. Fine, why not.

George Mc
George Mc
Jul 1, 2023 9:11 AM

Some of the sheep are wolves. They attack without provocation. You can quietly make a sceptical noise about covid in passing and suddenly find yourself the target of a vicious assault. They attack because they have been programmed to do this. It may be more fitting to call them wind-up clocks. Naturally they have given no thought to this at all. They have absorbed the media mantra and have been conditioned to automatically respond to stimuli branded as offensive. They have even been supplied with a script if expansion is needed. Or at least that’s the way most of them responded at the height of the show. My guess is that few of them would now, going by the way the “die-hard” mask wearers, now reduced to a minority, act in an almost furtive way. This may not be much of a triumph though since it has been (grudgingly) indicated… Read more »

Clutching at straws
Clutching at straws
Jul 1, 2023 10:00 AM
Reply to  George Mc

It’s difficult to rebel when you’re job depends on you not being rebellious.

George Mc
George Mc
Jul 1, 2023 10:44 AM

True. And it recalls what Marx said about alienated labour i.e. that the worker is not himself when he works but only becomes himself when off duty. Whilst at work the worker is required – on pain of losing his job – to mouth the official corporate bullshit. He can be as honest as he wants outside work – but, even then, only quietly.

mgeo
mgeo
Jul 2, 2023 7:40 AM
Reply to  George Mc

In responding to dissent or exposure, the manipulators can out-source or crowd-source their defence. Thus, they can get the benefit of minds smarter than their own.

Ras-Pootin
Ras-Pootin
Jul 2, 2023 7:21 PM
Reply to  George Mc

I think you are mistaken about it being over. Start talking about how bad the jabs are and you will quickly find eager attackers for the foreseeable future.

Many not only got jabbed themsleves but had their children jabbed. Try cricising the average Anglo-American about his/her doings with their kids and see what happens, same thing.

Matt Black
Matt Black
Jul 1, 2023 9:11 AM

They don’t seem to realize their insistence on these sources being accurate is akin to looking to Goebbels to verify the accuracy of a Hitler speech, or referring to Der Stürmer for the truth about Jews. You need, today, to go to a variety of sources before you will come upon an accurate portrayal of social or scientific reality.

lol, they’ve lied about everything but not WWII