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Deconstructing Marianna in Conspiracyland – Part 3

Iain Davis

Rejected artwork for the BBC podcast.

In this continuing investigation of the BBC’s “Marianna in Conspiracyland” podcast series, we now turn our attention to Episode 2, titled “Down the Rabbit Hole.”

I hope you have read the introduction to this series and both Part 1 and Part 2, as some key points outlined in those articles are important for our ongoing exploration of “Marianna in Conspiracyland.”

The start of every BBC Conspiracyland episode comes with the following introduction from Marianna:

I’m Marianna Spring, the BBC disinformation and social media correspondent, and in this podcast series I’m venturing into “Conspiracyland.” A reality that gets curiouser and curiouser and has infected towns, like Totnes, across the UK. I’m investigating the conspiracy theory media here in Britain and the radicalisation that appears to come with it. Its followers hold a range of different beliefs, which many would never act on. But there are others whose views seem to be becoming more radical.

Assuming Marianna has written most of the podcast series herself, she appears to be a Lewis Carrol fan. The poorly constructed phrase “curiouser and curiouser” originates from Carrol’s 1865 children’s novel “Alice’s Adventures in Wonderland.” It means increasingly strange.

Marianna is using deceptive language. There is nothing strange about people holding ant-Establishment opinions (AEO) or questioning power in a so-called democracy. On the contrary, it is practically the foundation of the UK’s current political system which, though technically a constitutional monarchy, is called a “representative democracy.”

Just like Carrol’s “Wonderland,” Marianna Spring’s “Conspiracyland” is not a “reality.” There is nothing for Marianna to venture into.

There is no plausible definition of a “conspiracy theorist.” It is simply a propaganda label applied to people who question the Establishment’s “epistemic authorities.” The Establishment sticks the label on those who question its power in order to marginalise and ultimately censor their opinions. The label itself is constructed from propaganda and junk science.

Consequently, there is no such thing as a “conspiracy theory movement.” No demographic grouping of people with “strange” views can be identified anywhere. Instead, all the research shows that anyone, from any demographic, social or political group, can hold AEOs. This appears to be the majority view in all “representative democracies.”

Political science explains why AEO is so common. We live in biased pluralist societies corrupted by an economic-elite. Challenging the Establishment that represents and defends the interests of said “economic-elite” is both a necessity, if we hope to live as free human beings, and an indispensable component of discourse in an alleged democracy.

This means that there is no “conspiracy theory media” either. The Light newspaper in the UK—Marianna’s initial focus—merely promotes AEO and questions power. In other words, it serves the vital function of news media in a “democracy.”

The emergence of this type of so-called “alternative media”—something we’ll explore later in this series—has taken on greater significance as the mainstream media (MSM) has largely abandoned journalism’s social function of questioning power. The BBC, for example, is state media controlled by the government and is compelled by regulation only to report whatever the government and the “epistemic authorities” tell it to report.

The radicalisation process is complex and consists of “push, pull and personal factors.” While the consumption of propaganda plays a small part in this process, it is far from a determining factor. There is no evidence that the media we consume is capable of “radicalising” anyone.

Marianna adds the following statement to her episode introduction:

At the extreme end we have seen conspiracy theory driven riots at the US capital and a coup attempt foiled in Germany. But what was happening in the UK? I have plenty of time to look about and wonder what is going to happen next. For BBC Radio 4, this is Marianna in Conspiracyland.

We will explore these claims as we progress but, suffice to say, Marianna’s assertions here are highly dubious.

Marianna’s introduction consists of nothing but alleged truisms which, upon closer scrutiny, are all canards. There is no evidence to support anything she says. All the evidence thoroughly contradicts her opinions.

Therefore, while Marianna has time to construct a model of what she and the BBC think will happen next, that model is based upon nothing but baseless opinion and, it is reasonable to suppose, disinformation and propaganda. As we shall see, this “opinion” strongly favours and defends the biased pluralism of an Establishment led by an “economic-elite.”

In Episode 2—Down the Rabbit Hole—Marianna introduces the BBC audience to Jason Liosatos. Jason is a well travelled autodidact, author, video and radio content creator and artist. He has committed his adult life to studying “mind and spirit.” Jason holds and promotes a very clear anti-Establishment opinion (AEO).

Marianna claims that she wants to interview Jason because someone told her that Jason is “key to Totnes’s conspiracy theory movement.” Marianna adds that she wants “to understand the ideas that some in the movement subscribe to, and the ways the conspiracy theory media spread them.”

This should be relatively straightforward. AEOs are very easy to understand, as are the reasons why people hold them. The AEO media—the Light in this instance—simply reflects those views and reports the evidence which purports to expose the wrongdoing of an economic-elite in a biased pluralist society. Volunteers distribute the Light because it reports stories of interest to them that they want others to be aware of. It isn’t rocket science and isn’t difficult to “understand.”

The soundtrack to “Marianna in Conspiracyland” relies heavily upon spooky, ominous incidental music to psychologically manipulate the BBC audience into perceiving AEO as some sort of threat, rather than the basic democratic prerequisite that it is. As her segment with Jason unfolds Marianna says:

Jason has all the hallmarks of a political activist, but he doesn’t see it that way.

Jason reportedly replies:

I’m a political atheist. [. . .] I’ve never thought that whoever you vote for makes much difference [. . .] like different wings on the same bird. [. . .] That’s not to be conspiratorial thing, it just seems to be true.

Jason appears to be correct. He is describing biased pluralism. So what are the “hallmarks of a political activist” that Marianna suggests? The definition of activism is:

The process of campaigning in public or working for an organization in order to bring about political or social change.

Marianna expands upon her reported opinion:

At this point Jason seems to me to be someone who is politically frustrated and concerned with issues like the cost of living crisis, which are affecting the lives of those around him.

From everything Jason reportedly says, Marianna’s appraisal seems fair. He could be described as a political activist in so far as he evidently wants to see political and social change and is willing to try to make that change come about. His primary concern appears to be for the welfare of his fellow citizens.

Marianna tells the BBC’s listeners:

… but then it [Jason’s AEO] starts to become more extreme. [. . .] It is about sinister plots that are trying to control our way of life and cause us harm.

This is Marianna’s edited, post interview, prelude to the following recorded statement from Jason:

To be honest with you, I think they are using it [the pseudopandemic] as a Trojan Horse. To bring in the great digital cashless reset which is coming now, and it seems to be coming in fast. [. . .] I hate to talk about this like I’m a “conspiracy theorist, I’m not. I’m a realist, I look at facts.

It is perhaps a sad reflection of the state of our current public discourse that Jason needs to stress that he is not a “conspiracy theorist.” He evidently understand that the label is used by people like Marianna Spring to dismiss anti-Establishment opinions. Jason is referring to the World Economic Forum’s (WEF’s) Great Reset and Central Bank Digital Currency (CBDC).

According to the WEF’s website, the Great Reset is an initiative, led by multinational corporations, which saw the so-called pandemic as a “unique window of opportunity” to determine:

The future state of global relations, the direction of national economies, the priorities of societies, the nature of business models and the management of a global commons.

This is based upon the WEF’s “stakeholder capitalism” concept which asserts that global corporations should be the “trustees of society.” Essentially, the Great Reset advocates a world run by a global public-private partnership with policy agenda’s set at the global governance level by well funded private think-tanks. Stakeholder capitalism sees elected governments relegated to “enabling partners” whose role it is to create the financial and fiscal environment for the roll-out of the global policy initiatives.

Central Bank Digital Currency is programmable money, issued by central banks, that enables all transactions to be tracked and controlled, at the point of sale, through programs such as “smart contracts.” Currently 114 governments, and their central bank partners, representing 95% of global GDP, are actively developing CBDC with 11 national CBDC’s already launched.

Announcing the proposal for the UK’s CBDC—the “digital pound”—Jon Cunliffe, Bank of England Deputy Governor for Financial Stability, said:

We propose a limit of between £10,000 and £20,000 per individual as the appropriate balance between managing risks and supporting wide usability of the digital pound. A limit of £10,000 would mean that three quarters of people could receive their pay in digital pounds, while a £20,000 limit would allow almost everyone to receive their pay in digital pounds.

If nearly all workers’ salaries are paid in CBDC—digital money—that can be programmed via “smart contracts” and tracked and traced by the central banks and their commercial bank partners, then, following its launch, the UK is highly likely to become a cashless society. Unless CBDC can be withdrawn as cash, and none of the central banks have suggested that possibility, most people simply won’t have any other form of “money” at there disposal.

The BBC has promoted CBDC, unquestioningly reporting it as “safe money that is easy to use in the digital age.” Arguing that the large volume of transaction data held by private corporations risks monetary destabilisation in the future, the BBC suggests CBDC as a viable solution:

Companies that control the data on everything someone spends, when and where they spend it, will sit on a priceless asset. Unregulated digital currencies could offer those companies incentives to create walled gardens, fragmenting the pound system. It would make controlling the economy more difficult, because £1 might not be worth £1 everywhere. [. . .] This is where today’s ideas [CBDCs] come in. Neither the Bank of England nor Government would have access to the data on transactions with a digital pound.

Either the BBC hasn’t read the Bank of England’s Technical Specification for its proposed CBDC, or it is spreading disinformation. The “priceless asset” of visible and tradable transaction data is a notable feature of the “digital pound.”

As the BBC reports, the Bank of England (BoE) claims “neither the Government nor the Bank would have access to users’ personal data.” Had the BBC done any investigative journalism it could have pointed out that there is no reason to believe the BoE.

The BoE also states:

CBDC would not be anonymous because the ability to identify and verify users is needed to prevent financial crime and to meet applicable legal and regulatory obligations.

So personal transaction data will be gathered. If neither the government nor the BoE are going to have access to the personal transaction data, as claimed, who will?

In its technical specification the BoE addresses this issue:

The platform model is currently the preferred model for offering a UK CBDC. In this model, the Bank hosts the core ledger and an application programming interface (API) layer. The API layer would allow private sector firms, known as Payment Interface Providers (PIPs) and External Service Interface Providers (ESIPs), access to the core ledger functionality in order to provide user services. [. . .] PIPs and ESIPs need identity and payments data[.]

Yet, with regard to analysis of the “core ledger” the BoE adds:

The Bank may need to collect operational metadata for analysis of system status and performance. This would allow the Bank to maintain the core ledger and the API layer. The Bank could also collect aggregate data, subject to effective anonymisation and privacy protections, in order to undertake economic and policy analysis.

It seems, then, that the BoE is proposing to harvest transaction data despite claiming that it isn’t. The public will have to access their CBDC wallets via the PIPs and the ESIPs. In the BoE model “PIPs and ESIPs would carry out user authentication” and “user balances would be recorded on the core ledger.” At the same time the core ledger will be a “centrally governed, distributed database.”

It is very difficult to see where the alleged “anonymity” comes into the BoE’s CBDC model. The ESIPs and PIPs will have complete oversight of all transaction data and our use of CBDC cannot be “anonymous,” according to the BoE. At the same time the BoE intends to store “user balances”—data it can only gather from the PIPs and ESIPs—and use that data for “economic and policy analysis.”

Contrary to the BBC’s claims it seems the private payment service providers and commercial banks (PIPs and ESIPs) will have access to “data on everything someone spends” on a hitherto unimaginable scale, thanks entirely to CBDC. So where in the BoE’s proposed model does the alleged “anonymisation” occur?

The BoE states that “any information accessed by the Bank [of England] would have to be effectively anonymised off-ledger.” This is because the digital ‘on-ledger’ model it has proposed doesn’t have any scope for “anonymisation.”

To explain how this supposed  “off-ledger” privacy protection will supposedly work, it cites the Information Commissioners Office (ICO). But the referenced document simply outlines the standards for anonymising data. It says nothing about how to achieve this or, crucially, who should have access to the raw data before they “anonymise” it.

The BoE talks about using privacy-enhancing technologies (PETs) which the ICO lists as various models of algorithmic randomisation, encryption, etc. However, the BoE is not keen on PETs:

PETs are likely to introduce system complexity to varying degrees. This could create a tension with security, performance, resilience, interoperability and extensibility requirements, as well as with system build and operation costs. The Bank does not intend to receive or use personal data. [. . .] Further work is needed to assess the technology implications of such an arrangement.

There is absolutely no commitment from the BoE to “anonymise” any of the transaction data it hoovers up from the PIPs and ESIPs. Merely some vague intention.

As it stands, the CBDC model the BoE has proposed empowers a public-private banking and financial services partnership precisely because it enhances the partnership’s access to private transaction data. This is definitely something the BBC should have reported to the public instead of deceiving them into thinking CBDC was “safe money.”

The WEF’s Digital Currency Governance Consortium is contributing to the global roll-out of CBDC. Convened in 2020, during the “pandemic,” the WEF’s Consortium fits precisely with its Great Reset ambitions to determine the direction of economies, the nature of all business and the priorities of our societies:

This consortium has built on our long history of public-private cooperation to accelerate necessary and timely conversations for responsible digital currency deployment. It has convened the world’s leading policy-makers, payment providers, banks, civil society organizations and start-ups to identify and address critical gaps in research and policy guidance.

As yet, the public has not been asked if it wants CBDC. The public consultations that have been undertaken, which have not been widely advertised—either by governments or the MSM—asked people what CBDC functionality they world prefer. The option to reject CBDC outright wasn’t offered.

With regard to the programmability of CBDC, Bo Li, the former Deputy Governor of the Bank of China and the current Deputy Managing Director of the International Monetary Fund (IMF), said:

CBDC can allow government agencies and private sector players to program, that is to create smart contracts. [. . .] By programming, CBDC money can be precisely targeted [to] what kind of [things] people can own, and what kind of use [for which] this money can be utilised. For example, [. . .] for food.

Inline with the IMF’s approach to programmability, in the BoE’s technical specifications for the “digital pound,” it states:

The Bank and HM Treasury’s public policy objectives determine CBDC functionality and technology choices. The design of a UK CBDC must deliver the Government and Bank’s policy objectives.

And:

Central bank-initiated programmable use cases are not currently relevant to the Bank and HM Treasury’s policy objectives for CBDC. Further, this functionality could damage the uniformity of the CBDC and cause user distrust. For these reasons, the Bank will not pursue central bank-initiated programmable functions.

Furthermore:

The ability to run units of functionality (programs) that can effect a change on the core ledger, and can be triggered when predetermined conditions are met or initiated directly. The Bank could enable locking mechanisms that allow PIPs and ESIPs to implement certain programmability features, including smart contracts, by earmarking funds on the core ledger.

The purpose of the UK CBDC, through its functional and technological design, is to deliver the BoE’s and the government’s policy objectives. In order to maintain “trust,” the BoE and the government are not “currently” going to program CBDC directly, but they may do so in the future. Instead they are “currently” giving their “partners”—commercial banks and private payment provider—the power to program all transactions to meet the state’s policy objectives. Just to be on the safe side, the BoE “could” lock funds—it won’t issue the required CBDC—if the programmed transaction doesn’t meet the state’s policy objectives.

Government’s and their corporate and industry partners have repeatedly stressed how the pseudopandemic was an opportunity to “build back better” or “reset.” The analogy of a “Trojan Horse” is a credible interpretation of their actions set within the context of the alleged pandemic. One, at least, that should not be easily dismissed.

CBDC is intended as a cashless system, certainly if the Bank of England are to be believed. It is programmable and it is designed to control the transactions of its users to meet “policy objectives.” We are the intended users of CBDC.

Jason Liosatos

Jason’s statement was evidence based and, to that extent, accurate. He is clearly appraised of the “facts.”

If Marianna Spring seriously wants to “understand the ideas” of people like Jason and other like him, this was an opportunity for her to do so. She could have done a modicum of investigative journalism and would have been able to both appreciate and, more importantly, report the evidence underpinning Jason’s concerns to the BBC audience.

This does not mean that Marianna, or anyone else, would necessarily agree with Jason’s conclusions. The Great Reset and CBDC may bring all the benefits that its architects suggest. Although that seems unlikely in a biased pluralists society suffering from economic-elite domination.

Yet, in the edit, Marianna Spring chose to prelude Jason’s words with an accusation that his evidence based, factual opinion was “extreme.” By framing his statement as allusion to “sinister plots that are trying to control our way of life and cause us harm,” Spring’s obvious intention was to convince the BBC audience that his views are unworthy of serious consideration.

Unless Marianna is simply incapable of conducting any research, she is deliberately deceiving the public. Marianna is spreading disinformation to dissuade her listeners from investigating Jason’s claims.

Based upon everything we have discussed in this series to this point, the evident purpose of “Marianna in Conspiracyland” is to protect and defend the biased pluralism of an economic-elite Establishment. Marianna Spring has all the hallmarks of a state propagandist.

Following on from Jason’s reference to the Great Reset and CBDC, Marianna tells Conspiracyland listeners:

The digital cashless reset conspiracy theory that he’s referring to here is one that suggests governments and banks are plotting to control access to your money and therefore, also, you. I’m reminded how frequently conspiracy is muddled up with a range of views and hides in the most unsuspecting corners of communities like this one. There’s no prototype for a conspiracy theorist. They can be a doctor , a teacher or an artist.

Mixing fact with disinformation and deceiving by omission, this is remarkable propaganda from Spring. Her purpose here is to further convince her audience to ignore Jason by casting him as a fool, and she deploys the “conspiracy theory” label to that end.

She studiously avoids any specific mention of either the Great Reset or CBDC and obfuscates their existence behind the “conspiracy theory” label. This will leave her listeners uninformed and ensure they don’t pick up on anything Jason is talking about.

Whether “governments and banks are plotting to control access to your money and therefore, also, you,” as Jason and millions of others like him suspect, is a matter for urgent public attention. The evidence strongly suggests that this is a tenable suspicion. Marianna Spring and the BBC are seemingly determined that this crucial public debate will never happen.

Jason, the Light newspaper, and many other people with AEOs, in their efforts to bring this information to wider public attention, are not “hiding.” Marianna introduced Jason by acknowledging the reach that his videos and podcasts have achieved. He has made himself a public figure and couldn’t be more open and transparent about his AEOs. Contrary to her own reporting, Spring evidently wants the BBC audience to believe there is something furtive, even secretive, about people who question power.

Spring then adds some “truth” to lend credibility to her disinformation based propaganda. She acknowledges that a so-called “conspiracy theorist” could be anyone. This is because there is no such thing as a conspiracy theorist. Just ordinary people who hold anti-Establishment opinions.

Unsatisfied with the level of disinformation she spread to illegitimately discredit Jason’s opinions, Spring then decides to ramp things up a notch. To a foreboding soundtrack, the BBC’s disinformation expert says of Jason:

While he says he’s an advocate for peaceful change, I find frequently that hate and antisemitism in particular come hand-in-hand with the conspiracy theories he talks about. Hateful tropes are woven into their fabric and, more often than not, it’s the powerful Jewish globalists, who they believe play an instrumental role in what’s happening.

Thus far, Jason has spoken about the Great Reset, CBDC and his hopes for a peaceful utopia where individual take responsibility for their actions. He hasn’t mentioned “Jewish globalists” once. Spring calls all of this “conspiracy theory” and therefore implies that Jason’s opinion have “hateful tropes woven into their fabric.”

To emphasise her point Spring then quotes one of Jason’s tweets:

The Jewish chosen ones, superior to all other races, especially blacks, let’s send some of the boats with migrants to the shores of Israel to make some nice mixed race to dilute the Israeli arrogance.

To most people this sounds like an obvious example of antisemitism. It transgresses the International Holocaust Remembrance Alliance (IHRA) working definition of antisemitism because, in his tweet, Jason has seemingly accused “Jews as a people of being responsible for real or imagined wrongdoing committed by a single Jewish person or group.”

While not excusing Jason’s tweet in any way, there is a context that Marianna Spring chose not to report. His comment came in a re-tweet of an original share by the British rapper Lowkey.

Lowkey posted footage from a video titled Israel’s New Racism: The Persecution of African Migrants in the Holy Land. The short documentary catalogues the Israeli anti-African immigrant protests that took place between 2010 and 2013, including the comments of some right-wing Israeli politicians.

We cannot and must not ignore the darker side of human nature. I make no apology for reporting the content that Jason was responding to. All of which comes from footage contained in the short documentary.

At one rally a women protesting in support of the African migrants is accosted by an older Israeli man who says:

You’re married to a nigger! Get out!

Another Israeli man tells the women that he hopes she is raped.

In another documented incident, an Israeli anti-African immigrant protester announces to a cheering crowd that she is proud to be a racist. Calling African people “infiltrators,” another Israeli man shouts, presumably to an African migrant, “I’ll stick a pole up your ass. You disgust me! Infiltrators go home!”

It is not unusual for African migrants to Israel to be refused work permits. Consequently many can’t afford essentials, such as food. The footage of the anti-African rallies showed that they were often led by serving members of the Knesset. At one large rally, Michael Ben-Ari said:

You want to help Africans. Go to Africa! You want to give them food? Give them food in Africa. This is the only Jewish State we have.

Speaking at another large anti-African rally, the current Israeli Deputy Prime Minister and Minister of Justice, Yariv Levin, said:

This is not Eritrea or Sudan. This is our home! This is our country!

Israel’s former Permanent Representative to the United Nations and current chair of the World Likud—the Likud Party’s internationalist arm—Danny Danon, said:

The most important thing is to expel the infiltrators [African people] from the country to protect Israel as a Jewish State.

The present Israeli Transport Minister, Miri Regev told the cheering Israeli crowd:

The Sudanese are a cancer in our body.

The documentary reported that the Israeli government amendments to its anti-Infiltration Act, which then allowed non-Jewish immigrants to be detained for up to three years, prior to deportation, had led to the creation of the enormous Saharonim Prison in the Negev Desert that can hold up to 8,000 Africans without trial.

Eager to cast Jason as an antisemite, Marianna Spring certainly does not want the BBC audience to have any appreciation of the context of his tweet. There is no excuse for any kind of bigotry, including racism and antisemitism. While Jason’s tweet was perhaps injudicious, wrongly accusing Jews of collective responsibility, it was made in response to the grotesque racism exhibited by some Israeli’s during those protests.

Two wrongs do not make a right, but we have all said stupid things in the heat of the moment. What Jason’s ill-judged tweet does not demonstrate is that he is “antisemitic,” as Marianna is clearly insinuating. If she gave any context, which she didn’t, all she would have demonstrated is that disgusting acts of racism make Jason very angry.

Marianna, as is the norm, does not provide any evidence to support her claim that AEOs are woven with “hateful tropes.” She says that this is what she “often finds” but we have no reason to accept her findings.

Jason maintains that he does not believe his re-tweet was antisemitic, we might disagree because it did appear to cast all Jews as guilty of the racist obscenities of a small minority. However, Marianna Spring is using exactly the same form of bigotry.

While one foolish tweet in no way proves that Jason is antisemitic, Marianna is using it to make that allegation. Therefore, her argument runs, all people who share his AEOs are prone to “hateful tropes.” She is accusing Jason of that which she is herself guilty.

All Marianna Spring has provided to the BBC’s “Conspiracyland” audience thus far are unfounded epithets she has persistently tried to attach to people with AEOs. In her attempt to make these seem plausible, she then enters into the realms of absurdity.

As Jason strongly denies that he is antisemitic, Spring next asks him to define what would constitute antisemitism in his view. He replies that getting a knife and stabbing a Jewish person while shouting “I hate Jews and Israeli’s” would be antisemitic. Which is obviously correct.

Determined to make the “hateful tropes” allegation credible, Marianna says “the extremity and violence of his answer” really shocks her. Comically, she adds, “as he speaks Jason makes a stabbing motion with his hands.” It seems, in the weird world of Marianna Spring, Jason’s gestures are antisemitic too.

Spring is exploiting the logical fallacy of appeal to emotion. By reporting her supposed shock and distress, Spring is attempting to convey that emotion to her audience to convince them to believe her completely unfounded claim that AEOs are “woven with hateful tropes.”

Imbuing her listeners with moral outrage invites them to perceive themselves as morally superior. It is a powerful propaganda technique, sometimes called appeal to prejudice.

Despite Marianna’s farcical attempts to apply prejudicial meaning to the kind of hand gestures we all commonly use, this exchange reveals something more than her propaganda strategies. Jason appears to know that free speech in a “representative democracy” is judged in relation to the harm principle first outlined by Sir John Stuart Mill.

There is a significant and extremely important difference between saying, or tweeting, something stupid in anger, even if it causes considerable offence, and saying or doing something that puts someone in real physical danger. Hence his ‘on the spot’ analogy in reply to Marianna’s question.

While Jason’s answer may have been a bit too graphic for Marianna’s extremely delicate sensibilities, he wasn’t actually wrong. As Marianna is apparently a fan of “Alice’s Adventures in Wonderland” she should perhaps spend some time reflecting upon its meaning:

“I wish creatures wouldn’t be so easily offended!”, “You’ll get used to it in time,” said the Caterpillar; and it put the hookah into its mouth and began smoking again.
Lewis Carroll, Alice’s Adventures in Wonderland

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bartleby
bartleby
Aug 2, 2023 8:48 PM

by the way, it’s Lewis Carroll (with 2 l)

AntiSoof
AntiSoof
Jul 20, 2023 8:02 PM

But, it must also be said, Marianne now has the thoughts of the people who matter here just for the taking.

Einstein
Einstein
Jul 20, 2023 6:56 PM

Alice was humble, intelligent and innocent.
Marianna is vain, stupid and evil.

Balkydj
Balkydj
Jul 23, 2023 2:19 PM
Reply to  Einstein

Nutshell. Cracked. Seedling.
Planting Poison Ivy.
In. Early. Spring.

nima
nima
Jul 20, 2023 4:46 PM

Good Deconstruction Iain.

Sally doveryolittle
Sally doveryolittle
Jul 20, 2023 1:28 PM

Whilst obviously the BBC series is a disgusting attack on the truth and full of lies and half truths itself, what is even more worrying is that those who do present the truth, mentioned in her disgusting program are also in the business of selling evil half baked ideology, and lies, which are seeded in their apparently valid anti-deep state, & anti-COVID (scam) facts.

All exits are covered, there are no saviours, able to live for more than 30 seconds. We live in a true tyranny, where the alternative voices are also state aided & controlled.

George Mc
George Mc
Jul 20, 2023 6:48 AM

The climate cult are majorly pissed that the UK is suffering showers. How are you supposed to keep this sun burny porn up with that? Never mind. There’s always a way.

LBC:

“One month of rain to fall in just 48 hours this weekend as UK prepares for ‘washout summer
…..
While the rest of Europe bakes in high temperatures, where it could reach 50C, the UK has been subject to more unsettled, wet conditions.

The two might be linked, however, with the heatwave driving up Europe’s temperatures contributing to the UK being stuck under a ridge of low pressure.

Stephen Dixon, a spokesman with Met Office, told the Mirror: “There is no real change forecast to the type of weather we’ve got now – sunshine and showers.””

No real change forecast? WTF? As in, “Look we know it’s raining but it’s still part of the big burny burny!”

wardropper
wardropper
Jul 20, 2023 3:48 AM

Dear Pendibots,

Another day dawns…

It’s time to wake up and try to reassess comments with certain words you have been programmed to have a conniption fit over…

Samuel
Samuel
Jul 20, 2023 12:12 AM

I don’t think his tweet was injudicious, or antisemitic, he clearly is sincerely convinced about that, is describing his perception of things, and does not collective blame anybody. And the sole fact that they are the only ones able to censor, deplatform anyone, even screw Corbin, and so on, this fact justifies any perception of power and control by this group of people, regardless of how big, representative, or influential they may be.

George Mc
George Mc
Jul 19, 2023 7:42 PM

The climate franchise now attempts a crossover with the covid franchise to deliver yet another “new normal”. Not really surprising since both were the same franchise. Do you think any of the regular punters will notice? Ooh there’s a climate “new normal.” Hmm …. sounds familiar. Wasn’t there a “new normal” before? Of course! Covid led to a “new normal”. Hmm … you don’t suppose ….????? Nah surely not …. But maybe …..????? So for those of us who cleared that theatre three years ago, who saw, as Frank Zappa said, the brick wall at the back, the question is, Can we bear to stick around and watch those great minds creep an inch forward and then an inch back and go round and round? Let’s see what Jonathan has to say: https://jonathancook.substack.com/p/across-the-west-people-are-dying “Across the West, people are dying in greater numbers. Nobody wants to learn why” A bit bland… Read more »

tonyopmoc
tonyopmoc
Jul 19, 2023 6:13 PM

I am not interested in Marianna. I do not watch the BBC..but got the gist
Iain Davis is one of the best writers we have got…I bought and read his book when it came out..and I have seen his interviews…he can handle himself live.
“Pseudopandemic: New Normal Technocracy”
His main competition, from my point of view..not quite as fierce – slightly more subtle (but not much)…is a Girl..I found her book “State of Fear” even more compelling

Laura Dodsworth

I thought “The State of Fear” was the bravest thing any UK Journalist actually wrote and got published after interviewing most of the UK Covid Criminals – especially The NudgeUnit

Laura Dodsworth has got her New Book out tomorrow…

“Free Your Mind – The New World of Manipulation and How To Resist It”

She is also Georgeous

https://www.lauradodsworth.com/

Tony

Apsara
Apsara
Jul 19, 2023 4:48 PM

Sound of Freedom????

Brian Sides
Brian Sides
Jul 19, 2023 9:12 AM

What is Stakeholder Capitalism. Capitalism is supposed to apply to every one. The idea that any individual can become an individual trader or enter commerce and in engage in capitalism. But Stakeholder Capitalism formally recognises a superior group of rich people who will become the de facto government making democracy even more of an illusion than it is already. The World economic forum say they want to introduce Stakeholder Capitalism. But Stakeholder Capitalism has been around for along time. Feudalism began to diminish in England with the eventual centralization of government that began around the first quarter of the fourteenth century,[6] and it remained in decline until its eventual abolition in England with the Tenures Abolition Act 1660 But in 1694 King William the 3rd gave an exclusive contract to a group of rich individual that exist today. The exclusive right to create printed money. The king and Queen became members and… Read more »

Stewart
Stewart
Jul 19, 2023 9:18 PM
Reply to  Brian Sides

Good post.

Everybody should be asking the question “Why does the Government choose to borrow our currency at interest from a group of private individuals, when it could issue it’s own currency for free?”

For a brief time after the so-called “Financial Crisis” of 2008 the “Occupy” movement focused attention on Wall Street and the City of London. And then, suddenly and completely coincidentally, corporations were falling over themselves to embrace “wokeness”, the manufactured culture wars had the peasants at each others throats again and, thankfully for the “elitists”, the status quo was restored.

I can’t help feeling a great opportunity was missed then.

But every day is a new opportunity.

mgeo
mgeo
Jul 19, 2023 7:25 AM

The euphemisms they are trying to normalise include
– “conspiracy theory” for suspicion, disssent or alarm
– “stake-holder capitalism” for fascism         
– “programmable/smart contracts” for prohibitions on using one’s own money
– “extreme/hateful” to imply that an expression is far-fetched/unpopular.      

Contrary to propaganda, anonymising data is not possible theoretically [Ross Anderson 2017]. The waffling by BoE confirms this.

Being each person’s consolidated wealth and single-access, CBDCs will simplify robbery, theft, spying and totalitarianism.

Joe Smith
Joe Smith
Jul 19, 2023 5:47 AM

You people don’t know what “deconstructing” meansl.

George Mc
George Mc
Jul 19, 2023 1:27 PM
Reply to  Joe Smith

Well how about you tell us?

Albert Anderson
Albert Anderson
Jul 19, 2023 4:37 PM
Reply to  Joe Smith

Who you calling “you people”, man?

Clive Williams
Clive Williams
Jul 19, 2023 4:57 AM

How’s the 1923 research on political Feminist migraines coming along.

Johnny
Johnny
Jul 19, 2023 8:46 AM
Reply to  Clive Williams

Refer to Emma.
Emma Goldman that is.

Veri Tas
Veri Tas
Jul 19, 2023 1:13 AM

Geez, this woman is being given a lot of oxygen – on TV and in the alt media.

I think you don’t need to convince alt media readers, and you will never sway TV watchers. So, what’s the point?

Clive Williams
Clive Williams
Jul 19, 2023 5:06 AM
Reply to  Veri Tas

We need Aqualung it’s getting a bit much, I hope the P W’s are paying for their share of Air Time.

Koba
Koba
Jul 19, 2023 9:28 AM
Reply to  Veri Tas

She went straight from Oxford which at the time the master of Oxford was the head of MI6 and then went from no one to the BBC’S head of disinformation.

Pilgrim Shadow
Pilgrim Shadow
Jul 19, 2023 11:51 AM
Reply to  Koba

She’s the British equivalent to this malevolent creature.

Albert Anderson
Albert Anderson
Jul 19, 2023 4:39 PM
Reply to  Pilgrim Shadow

There’s two of em? Good gawd.

Koba
Koba
Jul 21, 2023 7:54 AM
Reply to  Pilgrim Shadow

The similarities are striking actually now that you mentioned “it/her”

Iain Davis
Iain Davis
Jul 23, 2023 3:34 PM
Reply to  Koba

She was certainly fast tracked into the BBC but went to Pembook College-Oxford. Her Master was Dame Lynn Brindley who was also a serving Ofcom board member–the BBC’s regulator—at the time.

Dearlove was master at Pembrook College Cambridge.  

Lost in a dark wood
Lost in a dark wood
Jul 19, 2023 12:02 AM

Jason appears to know that free speech in a “representative democracy” is judged in relation to the harm principle first outlined by Sir John Stuart Mill. The essay series needs to be on the concept of “harm” – with Spring being no more than a footnote. There is no room for Liberty or “free speech” under the Public Health, Common Good, Democratic concept of “harm”. — Harm to Health https://www.ofcom.org.uk/__data/assets/pdf_file/0016/104650/Health-claims-report.pdf Health and wealth claims in programming: audience attitudes to potential harm Research Report Prepared for: Ofcom Prepared by: Richard Fincham, Ian Sparham, Jo Smith & Samantha Grew Date: July 2017 — Within that document the term “harm to health” is used 31 times – example below. This is a key concept. It will be used to regulate all communications – not just public broadcasting. — 1.2 Key findings Q. How well is the concept of harm in programming understood? A.… Read more »

Lost in a dark wood
Lost in a dark wood
Jul 19, 2023 12:44 AM

The Harm Principle in Action https://www.ofcom.org.uk/news-centre/2023/ofcom-finds-gb-news-in-breach-of-broadcasting-rules-for-a-second-time 9 May 2023 Ofcom finds GB News in breach of broadcasting rules for a second time An Ofcom investigation has today found the Mark Steyn programme, which first aired on GB News on 4 October 2022, in breach of our broadcasting rules. It is important to stress that in line with the right to freedom of expression – broadcasters are free to transmit programmes that include controversial and challenging views, including about Covid-19 vaccines or conspiracy theories. However, alongside this editorial freedom, the Broadcasting Code imposes a clear requirement that if such content has the potential to be harmful, the broadcaster must ensure that its audience is adequately protected. . . . We found that the comments made by Naomi Wolf had the potential to impact viewers’ decisions about their health and were therefore potentially harmful. Given that GB News did not take adequate… Read more »

Grafter
Grafter
Jul 19, 2023 11:11 AM

Who invented this crap about “protecting an audience” ?

Erik Nielsen
Erik Nielsen
Jul 19, 2023 3:35 PM
Reply to  Grafter

A libtard.

Vagabard
Vagabard
Jul 18, 2023 11:58 PM

Marianna, of course, just needing a good slap across the backside from a reliable soul and to be sent along her way.

But would such a soul agree to such a therapy? Even though it complies with all established science known to woman/man?…

Woowoo
Woowoo
Jul 18, 2023 11:06 PM

Ive had the best day on OFF G in a long time.

Erik Nielsen
Erik Nielsen
Jul 19, 2023 3:37 PM
Reply to  Woowoo

Pls give us your temperature and what the doctor said also. Didnt we had an article on Off-G about narcissism??

lynch
lynch
Jul 18, 2023 10:36 PM

MARIANNA SPRING ,the BBC disinformation and social media correspondent, and in this podcast series I’m venturing into “Conspiracyland.” Marianne  fem. proper name, from French, a variant of Marian; sometimes Englished as Mary Anne. It was the name of a republican secret society formed in France in 1851, when it became the designation of the female figure of “liberty” popular since the days of the Revolution; hence “personification of the French Republic” (1870) spring (v.) Middle English springen, from Old English springan “to leap, leap up, jump;” of a fountain, spring, etc., “burst forth;” also “fly up; spread, grow” (class III strong verb; past tense sprang, past participle sprungen). This is from Proto-Germanic *sprenganan (source also of Old Norse springa “burst,” Old Frisian springa, Middle Dutch springhen, Dutch springen, Old Saxon and Old High German springan, German springen “jump”). This is usually said to be from PIE *sprengh-, a nasalized form of root *spergh- “to move, hasten, spring” (source also of Sanskrit sprhayati “desires eagerly,” Greek sperkhesthai “to hurry”). However Boutkan is attracted to an alternative derivation from… Read more »

les online
les online
Jul 18, 2023 10:34 PM

I’m reliably informed The BBC is just The Messenger…
Some ask “Why shoot The Messenger ?”
Maybe The BBC is like one of those kites soldiers send up from the
trenches for the enemy to fire their guns at, which would reveal if
any of The Enemy are still alive, and where they are positioned..
Surveys reveal The Majority dont believe the “News” media, anyway,
so can it be “You’re floggin’ a (nearly) Dead Horse ?

Erik Nielsen
Erik Nielsen
Jul 18, 2023 11:16 PM
Reply to  les online

Because the Messenger is a paid traitor, snitch and a liar. A middleman who willingly get paid for doing dirty work.
Thats why we shoot this type of messinger and treat them with contempt.
The money exchangers Jesus kicked out of the Temple were also middlemen suckers.

Erik Nielsen
Erik Nielsen
Jul 19, 2023 3:44 PM
Reply to  Erik Nielsen

I forgot you write “this type of Messenger”.
A Messenger who arrive with bad but true news, honest men should off course not shoot.

This has been a bad habit among the Elite during history, as they cant take to lose face in their closed networking groups, where they brag day and night about how superior they are.

Edwige
Edwige
Jul 18, 2023 10:10 PM

On the subject of ‘Alice in Wonderland’, one of the girls Lewis Carroll was so fond of photographing was Julia Arnold.

She became the mother of Aldous and Julian Huxley.

Corarden
Corarden
Jul 19, 2023 8:52 AM
Reply to  Edwige

What a bunch of perverts, weirdos and utter demons have been held up as geniuses to us for our entire lives. Listening to Sheepfarms’ series on the Huxleys and Orwell presents some brilliantly researched and serious food for thought – whoever knew Orwell’s father sold opium to China for the empire ( most likely with a gun held at the head of the purchaser) . They are positing the idea that Orwell was also an asset, and based on recent experience I think they might be right. Our poor benighted souls have been much abused since we were old enough to be imprinted with the propaganda they had prepared. Now the question to me is, this revealing of so much that has happened of late, is it too part of the process these controllers had planned, or is there some kind of download of consciousness or awakening occurring? Mark Devlin… Read more »

mgeo
mgeo
Jul 20, 2023 7:25 AM
Reply to  Corarden

The threat in China was against the government that had banned opium. The addicts and dealers bought willingly, just as they do today.

Balkydj
Balkydj
Jul 23, 2023 3:01 PM
Reply to  Corarden

It’s the Depths & Lengths to which Sheepfarmers went, go & will go, to abuse the soul,
That was so astounding to me: it ruined ‘The BBC’s 🎯 Archers’, forever… 😉
What a time to be 🐑 Sheep and penned in.
Fresh Spring Lamb, going cheap, anybody?

Howard
Howard
Jul 18, 2023 9:52 PM

I’m not British, so perhaps what seems odd to me is very familiar to Britons. We Americans are brief to the point of appearing to have the intellect of a gnat (or am I defaming gnats?).

But, really, does it require three episodes to dispatch what is on its face absolute nonsense? Marianna Spring – ah, what can we say of Marianna Spring?

Nothing comes to mind.

George Mc
George Mc
Jul 18, 2023 10:26 PM
Reply to  Howard

That did strike me too. Spring was an obvious puppet stand in for a huge propaganda exercise right from the start. It’s like that Bush aide said about studying what they do judiciously whilst they have already moved on to the next shit show.

Vagabard
Vagabard
Jul 18, 2023 10:38 PM
Reply to  Howard

Americans say what they really think. Far better than us Brits:..

Now, it probably doesn’t require 3 episodes in any country under the sun, but then why not? ‘Thinking fast’ vs ‘thinking slow’. Which is morally better?

So why not dawdle, and ponder, over a sunset? Life is short, after all …

Clive Williams
Clive Williams
Jul 20, 2023 1:22 AM
Reply to  Vagabard

Vagabard, It’s in their 1st,.. lying.

Christine Thompson
Christine Thompson
Jul 19, 2023 12:09 PM
Reply to  Howard

In Iain Davis’ Introduction (published on Off-G on 16 June) to the ‘Deconstructing Marianna…’ series, he said that there are ten episodes in her (propaganda) series…

What a naive woman she obviously is. She’s being used by the scum who run the world. Is she truly not aware of that…?

CO-
CO-
Jul 18, 2023 8:59 PM

The digital cashless reset conspiracy theory that he’s referring to here is one that suggests governments and banks are plotting to control access to your money and therefore, also, you. I’m reminded how frequently conspiracy is muddled up with a range of views and hides in the most unsuspecting corners of communities like this one. There’s no prototype for a conspiracy theorist. They can be a doctor , a teacher or an artist. There is a big difference between an abstract conspiracy theory and a concrete conspiracy practice. Practical steps have already been taken by the conspirators involved to control both people and money via the introduction of the idea of going tip toe cashless with the introduction of a digital currency etc. Whether or not that “cashless reset” will ever come off to the satisfaction of the conspirators is entirely a different matter and will depend on a number… Read more »

Paul Prichard
Paul Prichard
Jul 18, 2023 8:27 PM

Your alternative update on #COVID19 for 2023-07-17. Excess deaths DK, FI, NO, GB start heading higher. SV40 known cancer-promoter. And yes, they’re in the shots (blog, gab, tweet).

Thomas Frey
Thomas Frey
Jul 18, 2023 7:57 PM

LOL. As soon as legitimate criticism is levied against the BoE, because it is owned by Rothschild, it is “anti-Semitism”.

That people are so uninformed that they cannot see through that McGuffin is sad.

That people don’t even know what the BIS, World Bank and IMF are, is sad.

That people don’t understand how the Central Bank Cartel has manipulated the world for at least the last 5 to 6 centuries is sad.

Nothing is going to change until the banker boss puppets start to have sudden and fatal accidents. It is my opinion that the Rothschild family is just one step away from Satan, and they own the center of London.

Wisdom and discernment is needed now more than ever.

Ras-Puputin
Ras-Puputin
Jul 18, 2023 9:33 PM
Reply to  Thomas Frey

The Ukrainian mafias could sell NATO weapons to small teams of ex-military types who could make those accidents happen– or at least it would make a good film !

Thomas Frey
Thomas Frey
Jul 19, 2023 12:48 AM
Reply to  Ras-Puputin

Organized crime has been part of TPTB for as long as they have existed.

wardropper
wardropper
Jul 18, 2023 9:53 PM
Reply to  Thomas Frey

Discerning Satan is one thing, but that doesn’t stop him.

underground poet
underground poet
Jul 18, 2023 10:35 PM
Reply to  wardropper

I never caught up to the Jersey devil either, but then again I doubt he ever caught up to me, anyone for 3-D pass crossings.

Clive Williams
Clive Williams
Jul 19, 2023 8:20 PM

Jeezz who needs an American travel agent..
Certainly Sir, New Sweat.or an ersatz UK Crown Charles Waffle. Aged Imperial treacle..we have imported US syrup & Jersey diary butter..
I trust you enjoyed your vista visa card visit to the German Underground Hospital…Oh, you haven’t…you must Sir…since they left..last weekend.
And for the Lady…..☺

underground poet
underground poet
Jul 20, 2023 3:08 PM
Reply to  Clive Williams

I’ve never had a meal outside the US, so yes, I missed a lot of your expensive fun over there.

As for your German underground hospital lady, over here we call them 110 lb clowns, I was grateful for a while, but then I divorced mine [not the same type of persons] some time ago, to evolve into a similar looking one, but one with a greater call than yours.

She’s unreachable now but says she’ll be back and need some help, I hope she left some money behind or she’ll be trying that one again.

Thomas Frey
Thomas Frey
Jul 19, 2023 12:47 AM
Reply to  wardropper

Who said it will stop it?
All evil needs to succeed, is for good people to do nothing.
I call out evil when I see it, or experience it.
The only disappointing part are the people that cannot see it.

wardropper
wardropper
Jul 20, 2023 2:28 AM
Reply to  Thomas Frey

I didn’t suggest that you did say it would stop it.

I simply mentioned that we haven’t yet found the thing that can stop it, and of course I’m assuming that stopping it is an appropriate goal.

I liked and agreed with your comment, and I am 100% with you on the ‘wisdom and discernment’ thing.

AntiSoof
AntiSoof
Jul 18, 2023 10:00 PM
Reply to  Thomas Frey

Hey Thomas,

Wisdom, I think, may be found in the Bible.
Peter, 2:15;
For so is the will of God, that with well doing ye may put to silence the ignorance of foolish men:
As free, and not using [your] liberty for a cloke of maliciousness, but as the servants of God.
For what glory [is it], if, when ye be buffeted for your faults, ye shall take it patiently? but if, when ye do well, and suffer [for it], ye take it patiently, this [is] acceptable with God.

So let’s not be fooled, but let’s be fair. Wisdom hurts a little sometimes, I think.

Thomas Frey
Thomas Frey
Jul 19, 2023 12:45 AM
Reply to  AntiSoof

I agree that wisdom can be found in the Bible, as well as discernment. That said, do you know who the men were that decided what books would be included in the Bible? I would suggest that discernment and wisdom is needed to understand why certain books were chosen, while others were not.

God gave us all Free Will, and that is analogous to freedom. You are conflating Liberty with Licence. There can only be true Liberty and Freedom, when the majority of people are moral, of good character, and of good ethics. We are free to decide what we will be within those parameters. Moral people understand the truth of the 7 sins, the 7 virtues, and the 10 commandments.

I also agree that wisdom is, in most cases, an extension of experience in life, and overcoming adversity.

wardropper
wardropper
Jul 20, 2023 2:39 AM
Reply to  Thomas Frey

There is indeed much wisdom in those other books, and many of them are actually accessible today.

I recently bought the Dead Sea Scrolls in a very scrupulous English translation, and it is fascinating to read what was left of that material after such a long time, and compare it with more traditional scriptures.

Modern people are very lucky to have such an astonishing wealth of ancient knowledge available, but of course one has to look for it.

underground poet
underground poet
Jul 18, 2023 10:32 PM
Reply to  Thomas Frey

The system can remain irrational longer than you can remain solvent.

Erik Nielsen
Erik Nielsen
Jul 18, 2023 11:23 PM

If Nato by Stoltenberg’s word can “outspend” Russia, off course they will be able to “outspend” our punches in the air.

underground poet
underground poet
Jul 19, 2023 12:06 AM
Reply to  Erik Nielsen

To what end? That’s the key.

In the end, no one gets it the way they want it.

Erik Nielsen
Erik Nielsen
Jul 19, 2023 3:57 PM

Armageddon. Judgement Day. The End https://youtu.be/ErsGS3RQNLI .

"For unto every one that hath shall be given, and he shall have abundance: but from him that hath not shall be taken even that which he hath”.
Thomas Frey
Thomas Frey
Jul 19, 2023 12:49 AM

When people have nothing left to lose, they lose it.

underground poet
underground poet
Jul 19, 2023 1:25 AM
Reply to  Thomas Frey

But naturally they were “losing it” long before they had nothing b/c they had to have something to lose in the first place, so in essence for them, the end was nearing, but how near? Near enough to have nothing?? Ok, by then, use it or lose it.

But until then, enjoy the roller coaster ride that ends with nothing but shaken up nerves and a lighter wallet.

And I hope ur not the amusement park owner or you could actually have less than nothing, w/another start at being a slave to money and that’s always an exciting ride.

Thomas Frey
Thomas Frey
Jul 19, 2023 3:31 AM

“The most terrifying force of death, comes from the hands of Men who wanted to be left Alone. They try, so very hard, to mind their own business and provide for themselves and those they love. They resist every impulse to fight back, knowing the forced and permanent change of life that will come from it. They know, that the moment they fight back, their lives as they have lived them, are over. The moment the Men who wanted to be left alone are forced to fight back, it is a form of suicide. They are literally killing off who they used to be. Which is why, when forced to take up violence, these Men who wanted to be left alone, fight with unholy vengeance against those who murdered their former lives. They fight with raw hate, and a drive that cannot be fathomed by those who are merely play-acting… Read more »

underground poet
underground poet
Jul 19, 2023 12:47 PM
Reply to  Thomas Frey

If only the Gods acted in that fashion, you might have a case, they don’t, they act with surprise after decades of being alone.

What you are describing is chaos in a fascist society, and i’m not convinced we are there yet, or shall be once the Gods timer expires and they throw down their surprise.

Thomas Frey
Thomas Frey
Jul 19, 2023 1:31 PM

What does what I quoted have to do with God, or his plans?

What is described by the author is the same force that drove 3 percent of American colonists to oppose the English crown, and persevere over 8 years of conflict.

underground poet
underground poet
Jul 19, 2023 2:05 PM
Reply to  Thomas Frey

B/c his plans, and mostly yours, are irrelevant when it comes to her plans, and perhaps that’s where the rub and confusion begins.

His fascist beginnings and her peaceful ends arn’t written into history, they are experienced and then esoterically discussed.

Thomas Frey
Thomas Frey
Jul 19, 2023 4:58 PM

Who is His and who is Her?
What part of free will don’t you understand, exactly?

God is not anyone’s baby sitter.

wardropper
wardropper
Jul 20, 2023 3:29 AM

Your knowledge of the Gods doesn’t seem to me thorough enough to carry much weight. There’s really no reason at all why they should use the same logic that you do, just as there’s frankly no particular reason why the law of gravity should not exert its pull upwards. The cosmic blueprints which we take for granted today came into being the way we know them today, but they surely didn’t have to. They would have had to come out that way only if we took the consequences of the blueprints as having existed before their creation. Yes, these are mind-boggling issues, which is why just shaking facile dismissal of them out of one’s sleeves is an affront to the untold aeons of difficult human history which have preceded our modern consciousness. The Gods, whatever they are, and whether or not you accept their existence, are far more ancient than… Read more »

underground poet
underground poet
Jul 20, 2023 11:47 AM
Reply to  wardropper

But there are the laws of nature and technology of man, (evolution, do plants have rights?) to defend, and someone named the critters, colors and all things. Those someone’s simply don’t vanish, they hide and control a process, to not know the process only indicates age, or lack of it. They can be referred to as gods b/c they control the process, not us, we can only know about it and blend in, or face the consequences of the process once it suddenly arrives. So when people open their mouth and talk, it becomes very easy to determine if they are old enough to know the process. I’ve convinced myself that no average person alive today has seen as many days of sunrise as me, only b/c they open their mouth and prove to me all the things they don’t know. And don’t look to history as a guide, its… Read more »

Erik Nielsen
Erik Nielsen
Jul 19, 2023 4:01 PM
Reply to  Thomas Frey

Beautiful :-D. Love it. “Men who just wanted to be left alone”……LOL.

lynch
lynch
Jul 18, 2023 10:40 PM
Reply to  Thomas Frey

Yet you voted for Nigel. Dear Thomas.
a Rothschild stooge with family of London city bankers.
I suppose he spoke your talk and smoked a cigar and drunk a pint appeared on Alex jones and he was cool in your eyes.

an Rothschild stooge old Nigel was.
Dad a city banker and granddad a London city banker and himself a ex Banker.
Old Nigel was different so they said.

Wisdom and discernment is needed now more than ever. yet you ingored it…..

Thomas Frey
Thomas Frey
Jul 19, 2023 12:39 AM
Reply to  lynch

FYI, I don’t live in England, and I always have thought that Nigel is controlled opposition. So no, he did not “spoke my talk”.

I also no longer vote here in the USA, because I know for a fact that all votes are rigged. I will no longer give my consent to the lesser of two evils, or any evil for that matter.

Try again.

Corarden
Corarden
Jul 19, 2023 9:03 AM
Reply to  Thomas Frey

General Patton had, by the conclusion of WWII worked out what was happening. He intended to go back to the USA, and enter politics. So they murdered him before he left Germany. See ‘Target Patton’.

Thomas Frey
Thomas Frey
Jul 19, 2023 1:29 PM
Reply to  Corarden

Patton was a war pig that had no problem beating WW1 veterans out of D.C. when they dared to demand their promised funds from the government.

Patton, if anything, was probably running his mouth in an effort to gain more power in the military and or politics. Basically one in the same at the top.

I doubt highly that he would have had the backbone to publicly oppose the creation of Israel in 1948.

Koba
Koba
Jul 19, 2023 9:33 AM
Reply to  Thomas Frey

All claims that people who are anti Zionist are just anti Semites in the end made me massively anti Jewish let alone anti Zionist. My favourite past time is to see a specific view on MSM and then Google the spewers name and voila: Jewish 9 times out of 10.

Sam - Admin2
Admin
Sam - Admin2
Jul 19, 2023 12:24 PM
Reply to  Koba

Is this intended as ironic satire?

I mean, you made all those claims correct 😅 Nice way to walk into a trap and utterly discredit yourself 😅

Thomas Frey
Thomas Frey
Jul 19, 2023 1:37 PM
Reply to  Sam - Admin2

What about Koba’s post isn’t at least true anecdotally?

Banking, Law, Entertainment, and now Technology, are in fact dominated by Israelites. The control of tech was achieved via Unit 8200 and the Talpiot Program.

While not all Israelites are International Zionists, those at the top, the elite of Israel, are definitely Zionists. Many of the elites around the world have declared that they are Zionists and have asserted you don’t have to be an Israelite to be a Zionist.

Rothschild built the World’s Supreme Court in Israel for a reason.
If you want to discuss critically the history of Israel, let’s start with these subjects:

King David Hotel Bombing
Deir Yassin Massacre
Operation Susannah (Lavon Affair)
USS Liberty Incident
Robert Maxwell and Promis Software
Jonathan Pollard and theft of nuclear tech
Dancing Israelis on 9-11

Paul Vonharnish
Paul Vonharnish
Jul 19, 2023 2:50 PM
Reply to  Thomas Frey

Yes. Good points that will be negated by friends and supporters of Zionist agenda…

Koba
Koba
Jul 21, 2023 7:59 AM

Who cares it’s about time we just called a spade a spade

Balkydj
Balkydj
Jul 23, 2023 3:24 PM
Reply to  Koba

H.Q.Intel – Tel-Aviv.

Backdoor Legal Jurisdiction.

Another obvious Spade.

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Admin Support
Jul 19, 2023 4:53 PM
Reply to  Thomas Frey

Great points.

I was shocked when David Greaber came out as a life long Zionist.

He coined the phrase “We are the 99%” was a leading figure in the Occupy (lack of) Movement. Had written some fascinating books. Look back on it & think wow a pre positioned Pied Piper. Getting people on message for a system change. Providing many phrases & arguments people use to this day.

But of course, that’s anti-Semitism, just for pointing that out.

SeamusPadraig
SeamusPadraig
Jul 19, 2023 5:00 PM
Reply to  Thomas Frey

Put ‘Noahide Law’ on your list, too. That’s why the Sanhedrin is to be reformed in Jerusalem, if the Zionists get their way.

Erik Nielsen
Erik Nielsen
Jul 19, 2023 8:12 PM
Reply to  SeamusPadraig

What do Thomas has to say about this? Noahide Law on a list with bombers, 9/11 attacks, betray and massacres??

Have you even read the laws?
“Dont murder, dont do porn, dont steal, dont eat meat from living animals, respect G-d, dont obey idol.”

Look these eternal rules like Hitler Nazi Zionist Dark Evilness Vampire Bloodsucking Empire Capitalist Gulag to you?

Thomas Frey
Thomas Frey
Jul 19, 2023 10:00 PM
Reply to  Erik Nielsen

Noahide laws also make goy powerless when facing accusations by Israelites. Raping a goy woman, would not be a crime. Raping a goy child would not be a crime. Murder of the same would not be a crime.

The Talmud is only taught, substantially, verbally, to limit exposure to the wider world.

Erik Nielsen
Erik Nielsen
Jul 20, 2023 1:13 AM
Reply to  Thomas Frey

I know Talmud is bad stuff, read a couple of verses there.

But you cannot just connect and smut some due good universal advises and connect them to some bad book like Talmud, Mein Kampf, Pol Pot memoires.
These advises also appear in the bible, the Torah, in British law, nearly all law books on our planet.

When they build up the new Stalin Commie “paradise” in Russia after the revolution in 1917 they tried to find some NEW other legal rules than those of the bible for the new “equal” society, but couldnt.
They had to incorporate more or less the 10 Commandments to give the law basic meaning.

I mean everything fine can be smeared that way.
If we could agree Talmud is smut, but the Noahide laws is a basic requirement for civilisation.
Then we would reveal some understanding of our real purpose.

Koba
Koba
Jul 21, 2023 8:03 AM
Reply to  Erik Nielsen

Stalin’s commie paradise in 1917?! Stalin didn’t become leader til 1927 after the factional struggles with the Trotskyites. But you know all of this don’t you Erik being the expert with the western cappie “historians” who mysteriously didn’t bring out copious books on Stalin after the archives opened. I wonder why. Face to face you’d leg it when I present actual facts or just shout genocide at me and hollowdomor

Sam - Admin2
Admin
Sam - Admin2
Jul 20, 2023 1:18 AM
Reply to  Thomas Frey

Wasn’t the Babylonian Talmud written 300~400 AD? And the Hebrew Bible / Old Testament starting from about 5,000 BC or something? No, these texts have not aged well. Nor have many other ancient texts. Does this demonstrate much of anything?

Thomas Frey
Thomas Frey
Jul 20, 2023 4:30 PM
Reply to  Sam - Admin2

The Talmud is still taught as Judaic Law, and there are many in positions of power, that have turned the same ideology into Policy and pushed for it in Israeli Law.

Does this apply to all Israelites? NO. Never said it did. It does apply to many in positions of power and influence.

The demonstration is that Noahide Laws are as oppressive and dangerous as Sharia Laws.

Stewart
Stewart
Jul 19, 2023 9:52 PM
Reply to  Thomas Frey

Awareness is growing
but if you mention them by name, or even use parentheses, your comment goes straight to pending…
Why is that Admins?

Thomas Frey
Thomas Frey
Jul 19, 2023 10:02 PM
Reply to  Stewart

Lol, just happened to me for using the word g*y, as in opposite of chosen.

Sam - Admin2
Admin
Sam - Admin2
Jul 20, 2023 12:17 AM
Reply to  Thomas Frey

We do that so people don’t launch into Jew-hating tirades. Because, although all the old-world religions are plugged into the establishment, apparently it’s the Jews – the historic money handlers for the ancient aristocracies, not those in the seat of power themselves – who are the evil ones.

I think it could simply be old-fashioned xenophobia and/or a deliberate psyop.

How much power do the money handlers weild in a world in which economies can be turned on and off like a tap during Covid, when entire industries could be subsidised with magic money trees which suddenly bloomed everywhere? The ‘banksters’ clutching the purse strings start to look a little more like beefeaters at the palace gates.

It’s up for debate..

Why not distrust the Catholics, they’re everywhere and have far more blood on their hands.

🤷‍♂️

Corarden
Corarden
Jul 20, 2023 7:43 AM
Reply to  Sam - Admin2

Sam = rise and defend James Corbett, punt his videos endlessly. Blame the catholics. Nice one.

Sam - Admin2
Admin
Sam - Admin2
Jul 20, 2023 12:23 PM
Reply to  Corarden

Except I didn’t say that at all. You made some defamatory remarks against a contributor and I challenged you to show the evidence, to which you said it ‘felt right’ and pronounced that we can’t trust any sources anyway

You then linked to some weak-ass sources like a muddled hypocrite.

Play these sophomoric trolling games elsewhere.

Stewart
Stewart
Jul 20, 2023 9:52 AM
Reply to  Sam - Admin2

Surely the whole point of free speech is to allow all opinions to be heard?

Anybody can state their opinion and it’s merits (or otherwise) can be debated openly, hopefully honestly, but above all without fear.

It seems, however, that this forum has adopted the mainstream media approach of portraying a certain people as so obviously innocent and certain historical events as so obviously true, that even questioning the consensus is regarded as equivalent to “Hate Speech”. Imagine actually going to jail for not believing the “News” lmao

Buddha said “Three things cannot be hidden long – the Sun, the Moon and the Truth”

Sam - Admin2
Admin
Sam - Admin2
Jul 20, 2023 11:52 AM
Reply to  Stewart

I think you can only be here to provoke, since your reply is stupidly obtuse.

We haven’t censored this conversation.

We’re one of the most tolerant left-centre alt. media comment sections on the web. If you disagree, please link to your preference.

We’re run the same now as always, so save us the lectures. No one is forcing you to comment here, are they? A2

Stewart
Stewart
Jul 20, 2023 10:34 AM
Reply to  Sam - Admin2

Also quite funny that you think the money lenders are somehow controlled by the people that they lend to.

Everybody knows the World doesn’t work like that, friend.

Sam - Admin2
Admin
Sam - Admin2
Jul 20, 2023 11:41 AM
Reply to  Stewart

Debt is for the plebs, darling.

Thomas Frey
Thomas Frey
Jul 20, 2023 4:34 PM
Reply to  Sam - Admin2

As others have asked, would this apply also as a Christian-Hating tirade, or Muslim Hating Tirade, or Catholic Hating Tirade, etc. etc. etc. As in is the moderation filter set to catch their words?

If not, then it is a good question to ask why?

Israelites are not the only people in history to have been genocided by sociopath tyrants. Yet we are conditioned throughout life, via media, to think that Israelites are the only people that have ever been genocided.

Like or dislike are just forms of human expression.

Sticks and Stones will break my bones, words will never hurt me.

Sam - Admin2
Admin
Sam - Admin2
Jul 20, 2023 12:00 AM
Reply to  Thomas Frey

You missed my point. But of course you know that.

Thomas Frey
Thomas Frey
Jul 20, 2023 4:35 PM
Reply to  Sam - Admin2

I think your reply is a conditioned bias based on your closeness to the administration of social media.

If you want to know who controls you, find those you are not allowed to criticize or dislike.

Sam - Admin2
Admin
Sam - Admin2
Jul 21, 2023 4:39 AM
Reply to  Thomas Frey

That would be Russia, based on the comments here. 😅

wardropper
wardropper
Jul 20, 2023 3:45 AM
Reply to  Thomas Frey

The part that isn’t true is the part that, yes, anecdotally, includes businesses, institutions, companies and corporate enterprise, yet ignores individuals incidentally born into that culture.

This is not okay.

Jesus was Jewish, and MLK was black.
Do you want to ignore that too?

Thomas Frey
Thomas Frey
Jul 20, 2023 4:41 PM
Reply to  wardropper

I didn’t, and no one else did, say that ALL Israelites are responsible for the level of control and influence being exerted by a group of people that represents less than 1% of global population.

I agree, name names. People like Larry Fink, Zylensky, Nutty Yahoo, all the Israelites surrounding the criminal event of 9-11, all the spies caught in our government over the years (Two named in my list), all the people in Government, Banking, Law, Entertainment, Corporations, that push the forced immigration, transgender ideology, replacement programs, and generally drain our treasury via endless wars for the benefit of Israel.

Never said that Jesus wasn’t and Israelite.
What does MLK’s skin color have to do with anything? Is this an attempt to make my factual statement racist?

You didn’t provide any evidence that I ignored anything.
Try again.

Sam - Admin2
Admin
Sam - Admin2
Jul 21, 2023 4:46 AM
Reply to  Thomas Frey

You’re ignoring all the non-Jewish people in entertainment and the military industrial complex etc.

Yes, we must blame some foreign interference for 911, ANY foreign interference will do, rather than consider the blatant evidence it was an inside job from start to finish.

I think you’re caught in a psyop yourself. A small contingent of trolls come out of their way to deliberately stoke antisemitism here.

Thomas Frey
Thomas Frey
Jul 21, 2023 2:26 PM
Reply to  Sam - Admin2

I am well aware that nothing is ALL Israelites. That does not change the fact that positions of power and influence within certain fields of expertise, as listed previously, are disproportionately dominated by Israelites. This is a fact that cannot be denied. I am aware of the psyop that wants to push hate of Israelites. I do not hate Israelites. I hate the Israelites, and their lackeys, in positions of power and influence that are pushing the destruction of the West. Israel deserves the attention because they are the meat shield for Rothschild, Kissinger, Klaus, Epstein, Fink, Zalinsky, etc. etc. etc. The history of the Balfour Agreement, the Establishment of Israel, as in territory taken from Palestinians, the criminal acts committed that I listed, the ideology of racial and ethnic supremacy, the desire to create an ethnostate, then blaming the rest of the world because they are just always victims.… Read more »

Balkydj
Balkydj
Jul 23, 2023 4:07 PM
Reply to  Sam - Admin2

@Sam. The Rothschilds were part of the planned signatures of 9/11 &
Moved Their Shipping business out of the World Trade Centre a mere two weeks before Demolition Day. Simultaneously, Goldman Sachs laid & nurtured the first ever Seed for B.R.I.C.S. in China, back in 2001 where FYI, Alice Weidel (AfD) who studied Chinese, was also working for Goldman Sachs, ‘coincidentally’… forward thinking ?
Or insider knowledge ? And of H.A.A.R.P.
& Legal Liability, inc. The D.o.D.
Talk about Scripted &
Bank 🎢 Rolled.
Balky

Koba
Koba
Jul 21, 2023 7:57 AM
Reply to  Sam - Admin2

And? I started out like you. Just anti Zionist. But once you get called racist, sexist etc 99% of the time you’ll become just that. And you’ve discredited yourselves a fair few times before. Plenty of nonsense articles on this controlled opposition site. You wouldn’t be allowed to type half of this stuff without permission from the powers that be. You aren’t some anti establishment fighters but more than likely paid puppeteers. And more and more people who come here aren’t as gung ho in defending off G as we used to be. And emojis?! What are you 10?

wardropper
wardropper
Jul 20, 2023 3:34 AM
Reply to  Koba

pastime.

wardropper
wardropper
Jul 20, 2023 3:37 AM
Reply to  Koba

“Anti-Jewish” is just wicked and stupid.

Those claims you mention didn’t make you massively anti-J.
You chose to lose your wits.

Koba
Koba
Jul 21, 2023 8:06 AM
Reply to  wardropper

OK Jew lover. The slow drip drip has already taken affect you will now probably think if me when you hear certain opinions on your TV and think “I bet that stupid koba thinks they’re a Jew too!?” Well Google them then. See what comes up. British TV is my favourite cos most people have no idea most of their presenters etc are Jewish or married to Zionist Jews

Sam - Admin2
Admin
Sam - Admin2
Jul 21, 2023 11:14 AM
Reply to  Koba

You dare to come here calling people ‘Jew lover’ in all seriousness. Like some saddle sniffing little closet Nazi? Fuck off with that janky hackneyed shit 😅

Thomas Frey
Thomas Frey
Jul 21, 2023 2:33 PM
Reply to  Sam - Admin2

How is a “Jew Lover” comment any different than “Little Closet Nazi”?

Is anyone that dislikes Israelites a Nazi?

Sam - Admin2
Admin
Sam - Admin2
Jul 21, 2023 4:24 PM
Reply to  Thomas Frey

Because it’s the sort of thing the Nazis used to say. And the Nazis weren’t nice guys, compadre, they were authoritarian, industrial-age, propaganda addicted fascists. They embodied everything that I was scared was resurfacing during Covid. They loaded people onto cattle carts and treated them as industrial byproducts. They were also enabled by Western Jews, according to many of the Neo-Nazis I chat with on here, as part of the International Jewish Conspiracy they’re always banging on about, and yet they’re still always rehabilitating the Nazis for some reason.

It’s dumb and I wouldn’t be surprised if it wasn’t at all organic, but part of an agenda to seed ‘antisemitism’ on the internet.

Also Nazis aren’t an ethnic religious group, so stop being silly. A2

Thomas Frey
Thomas Frey
Jul 21, 2023 10:58 PM
Reply to  Sam - Admin2

No one said the National Socialists were nice guys, and no one tried to argue as such. I know I’m not promoting National Socialism, or Fascism, or genocide. No one here tried to argue anything about Western Js, so not sure why you bring that up. No one here tried to rehabilitate the National Socialists. Well aware of the intent of fixed frame intelligence agencies to foment, and push, the made up term “anti-semitism”. A semite isn’t just a J and no one has claimed to hate all semite people. Who claimed that the National Socialists are an ethnic religious group? Actually, if you study their occult beliefs, and their desire to create the Aryan Race, then you could argue that their goals were focused on ethos and faith. I see, so you might recognize that the Js are both, uniquely throughout the entire world, an ethos and faith at… Read more »

Sam - Admin2
Admin
Sam - Admin2
Jul 25, 2023 3:29 PM
Reply to  Thomas Frey

You answered your last question in your own reply. You said you were ‘well aware’ of it.

Apparently not that aware 🙂

Koba
Koba
Jul 30, 2023 8:45 AM
Reply to  Sam - Admin2

The Nazis used to say look after animals and the environment. I don’t care if o sound like a Nazi you sound like a paid informant for British intelligence and when you consider you aren’t well known by anyone live a decent middle class life and have no real job makes one wonder

Sam - Admin2
Admin
Sam - Admin2
Jul 30, 2023 3:33 PM
Reply to  Koba

The Nazis used to say look after animals and the environment.

Exactly like Agenda 2030… Make some consistent sense, ya prat. Stop mouthing off like that attention seeking kid in class.

Thomas Frey
Thomas Frey
Jul 21, 2023 2:31 PM
Reply to  wardropper

Just because people criticize or question something, does not by default make them ANTI anything, or wicked, or stupid. To say they are is the truly wicked and stupid thing to do.

That is not any different than what the system does. Calling people “conspiracy theorist” because they question or criticize the official narrative.

Calling people “climate deniers” if they question the Climate Change agenda.

Calling people “anti-vaxx” because they refuse to be a lab rat.

If you want to discuss critically the history of Israel, let’s start with these subjects:
King David Hotel Bombing
Deir Yassin Massacre
Operation Susannah (Lavon Affair)
USS Liberty Incident
Robert Maxwell and Promis Software
Jonathan Pollard and theft of nuclear tech
Dancing Israelis on 9-11

Clive Williams
Clive Williams
Jul 19, 2023 6:59 PM
Reply to  Thomas Frey

Nonesense
US Central European Power is Germany’s Democratic Republic. Americans bitch in the Misconception they speak anything other than American.

Thomas Frey
Thomas Frey
Jul 19, 2023 7:10 PM
Reply to  Clive Williams

That is factually not true. Germany is a subject of the Central Bank Cartel, just like everyone else.

All national central banks report to the IMF and World Bank, ultimately all report to the Bank of International Settlements (BIS).

To suggest otherwise is suspect.

sandy
sandy
Jul 18, 2023 6:42 PM

The Establishment’s desperation and paranoia escalate every passing day. I doubt many are missing their “conspiracy theories” about simple observations made by us bottom 95%ers after reading their own institutional rollout announcements. And the fact the public is given no options to consent or reject. This is called totalitarianism. And that’s not a conspiracy theory.

Albert Anderson
Albert Anderson
Jul 18, 2023 4:51 PM

How about flyers we can hand out with pictures of these people and a caption at the top, “Enemy of the People”. Or at least, Enemy of (Some) of the People. They want war, let’s give them war.

Erik Nielsen
Erik Nielsen
Jul 18, 2023 11:26 PM

With flyers? It reminds about the hangers who want to take out Pentagon with “peace” posters. That will teach them.

Albert Anderson
Albert Anderson
Jul 18, 2023 11:50 PM
Reply to  Erik Nielsen

I wasn’t really thinking along that line.

Koba
Koba
Jul 19, 2023 9:39 AM

I’m making stickers stating that anyone voting for the major parties is an enemy of the people and should be dealt with severely

SeamusPadraig
SeamusPadraig
Jul 19, 2023 5:42 PM

Or we could do up a WEF deck of ‘most-wanted’ cards: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Most-wanted_Iraqi_playing_cards

Albert Anderson
Albert Anderson
Jul 19, 2023 7:44 PM
Reply to  SeamusPadraig

We should submit these ideas to the global revolution organization suggestion box. Oh wait.

mig
mig
Jul 19, 2023 8:19 PM
Reply to  SeamusPadraig

Top Tramps

Paul Vonharnish
Paul Vonharnish
Jul 18, 2023 4:33 PM

I haven’t watched this Marianna Spring trash, and will continue to edit it from memory. A cursory inspection of the first few paragraphs triggers my Spidey sense that Marianna is an AI construct, not a real person. Other AI personalities will jabber with remote AI constructs, and we’ll all die laughing.

Yeah! The New Whirled Odor rules…

Admin Support
Admin Support
Jul 18, 2023 4:28 PM

They should rename the series Kangaroo court.

People like Marianna Spring have soo many egg shells surrounding them, that it makes it impossible to try to tip toe through them to make any point or alternate interruption perspective at all, without inadvertently stepping on one of these egg shells. Then these types run & run with whatever social faux pas, they deem, has been triggered. Just exhausting infuriating & ultimately pointless to even try to ‘reach’ them.

Everything gets reframed twisted & they attack you for not being “normal” or mainstream enough.

“It’s a classic case of don’t confuse me with facts. My mind is already made up!” Terence McKenna

Admin Support
Admin Support
Jul 18, 2023 6:48 PM
Reply to  Admin Support

Actually, nobody should be watching or funding the BBC. Don’t live in the UK. But when I did, I didn’t pay them and sent the letters back saying “Jimmy Saville enablers get nothing from me” heard nada after that.

Koba
Koba
Jul 19, 2023 9:43 AM
Reply to  Admin Support

Well played. I just told them I don’t watch TV and they probably just googled me to find out if it’s true and once they saw my opinions thet probably just thought “fuck it he’s telling the truth he really doesn’t watch our nonsense”

Admin Support
Admin Support
Jul 19, 2023 4:34 PM
Reply to  Koba

It’s crazy really. The UK expects people to pay for their brainwashing lol and they do! The subjugation is staggering.

Paul Vonharnish
Paul Vonharnish
Jul 18, 2023 4:26 PM

I haven’t watched this Marianna Spring trash, and will continue to edit it from memory… A cursory inspection of the first paragraphs of the article, tells my Spidey sense that Marianna is an AI construct, not an actual person.
Other personality constructs will reply to remote constructs, and in the end we’ll all die laughing… Yeah! for bullshit. The New Whirled Odor rules!!!

Ras-Puputin
Ras-Puputin
Jul 18, 2023 3:32 PM

What is quite hilarious about the cluelessness of this BBC product is that Totnes ceased being a hotspot of radical alternatives about 20 years ago and is now thoroughly gentrified and populated by trustafarians and other “comfortable” folks playing at being hippies with million pound properties.

The Totnes pound ( a product of the actual radical alternatives that disappeared) was unceremoniously dumped years ago with the stated reason being that “sterling currency served the needs of the local bussinesses just fine”.

Totnes was a thoroughly covidian town with the sterotypical “green” beard-socks-and-sandals types zealously co-operating with the “biosecurity” program.

Robin Hall
Robin Hall
Jul 22, 2023 10:00 AM
Reply to  Ras-Puputin

Well said..my nearest enclave of “alternative” types is Forest Row in Sussex. There it is quite normal to show off one’s new “eco” home (or “ego-home”) with a Porsche and a Range Rover parked outside.

Ras-Puputin
Ras-Puputin
Jul 18, 2023 3:22 PM

As you can hopefully see by now , there is a mainstream definition of “conspiracy theorist” and that is ” little Hitler” because it ALWAYS comes back to the “chosen ones”.

The narrative controllers must always bring it back to that because they are addicted to a single trick, which has worked really well for them for over 1000 years: the trick is to accuse your victims of your own crimes, and if it doesn’t stick, keep accusing until it does..
The original source of “racial purity” ideas and racial hatred is the Old Testament, slavishly adopted by christians vying for a slice of “chosen-ness”.

The hucksters are about to find out that tricks all have expiry dates and the lesson taught by the story of the boy who cried “wolf”.

Paul Vonharnish
Paul Vonharnish
Jul 18, 2023 4:37 PM
Reply to  Ras-Puputin

Right on target. Erm… Where do the un-chosen live? Must be some other planet…

Koba
Koba
Jul 19, 2023 9:45 AM
Reply to  Ras-Puputin

In order to defeat the herd and the shepherds we probably will have to be a “little Hitler” ourselves. Being tough on the elite won’t work being brutal will.

AntiSoof
AntiSoof
Jul 19, 2023 11:11 AM
Reply to  Ras-Puputin

Indeed, Ras-Puputin.
Seen in this way, you can read Marianne’s underlying message as; “that’s how we do it, but you’re to blame, dumbass”. (LOL)

Matt Black
Matt Black
Jul 18, 2023 1:02 PM

As Marianna is apparently a fan of “Alice’s Adventures in Wonderland”

I bet the likes of Marianna are well vested in the gnostic meanings of Alice’s adventures

Paul Watson
Paul Watson
Jul 18, 2023 12:57 PM

The Light doesn’t threaten to throw people in jail for not paying an annual subscription…

Woowoo
Woowoo
Jul 18, 2023 1:49 PM
Reply to  Paul Watson

Annual subscription…isnt the legal term. if you dont have a license as in TV license you get fined, and if you dont pay the fine and miss fine payment issued by HM courts and again mess with court order then maybe prison as it is her Majesty HM government prisons, court, no different than car insurance, Car registration, Car tax etc etc. it isnt the BBC, it is the government who does the registration and puts you in prison like the council tax or being homeless or begging. whilst on that subject didnt the bojo Conservative tell you all, they would repel all of this LOL yer and they added more criminality to being poor or homeless like the new 14 day evictions and not paying your poll tax (council tax) selling the build back better dream done on stealth and so fast that alt media including Off G) has… Read more »

wardropper
wardropper
Jul 18, 2023 3:35 PM
Reply to  Woowoo

Take it easy.
Some of that froth went onto your T-shirt.

Why don’t you just inform the BBC and the government of your concerns about the alt-media?
They would probably agree with you.

Most of us here are well aware of the differences between what ‘the authorities’ say, and what ‘the authorities’ do, but we don’t get enough concrete ideas about how to fix it.

Paul Watson
Paul Watson
Jul 18, 2023 3:57 PM
Reply to  Woowoo

OK paid troll whatever you say…

Erik Nielsen
Erik Nielsen
Jul 18, 2023 6:12 PM
Reply to  Paul Watson

What if paid trolls are right about something?

wardropper
wardropper
Jul 18, 2023 6:39 PM
Reply to  Erik Nielsen

Then they don’t come here…

George Mc
George Mc
Jul 18, 2023 7:19 PM
Reply to  Erik Nielsen

Then they don’t get paid.

Admin Support
Admin Support
Jul 18, 2023 7:27 PM
Reply to  Paul Watson

He has a point or two.

The BBC lying and acting as a mouth piece for corrupt govt, isn’t “news” or a new thing at all!

Koba
Koba
Jul 19, 2023 9:48 AM
Reply to  Woowoo

The BBC was set up as the elites organ. We need to deal with you severely when the time comes.

Thom Crewz
Thom Crewz
Jul 18, 2023 10:19 PM
Reply to  Paul Watson

A good read for those waking up to the great fraud. But it’s a shame they use gstatic & Gulag.

Koba
Koba
Jul 19, 2023 9:50 AM
Reply to  Thom Crewz

I think anyone using the term gulag should look up the truth about the Gulag not propaganda. Like this: https://www.globalresearch.ca/truth-about-soviet-gulag-surprisingly-revealed-cia/5751858

Erik Nielsen
Erik Nielsen
Jul 20, 2023 7:15 PM
Reply to  Koba

Too late. You cant fix Beria, Yagoda, Iron Felix with “truth” in the fake news year 2023 from CIA.

Koba
Koba
Jul 21, 2023 8:10 AM
Reply to  Erik Nielsen

Funny that the CIA document is from the 50s son. Three posts I’ve dealt with involving you and they all contain lies. Builders are the ones who claim Beria killed girl’s in his dacha. BUILDERS. Well known pathologists are builders. I wonder why those stories and the autopsies didn’t get much news coverage Erik? Yagoda deserved to be shot. And Felix did nothing wrong except be harsh on religion. Which was understandable.

Edwige
Edwige
Jul 18, 2023 12:22 PM

A reminder of what the head of the BIS said about CBDCs:

https://twitter.com/wmiddelkoop/status/1581991592491069442?lang=en

Good luck finding any coverage of this particular statement on the BBC – or indeed much coverage of the BIS or Carstens at all. Just like Mockingbird…. just like MK Ultra…. just like Operation Chaos…. just like Northwoods…. just like conitelpro….

Corarden
Corarden
Jul 18, 2023 1:23 PM
Reply to  Edwige

They had to have a guy who looks like he ate every single pie on the planet…just so we have foreknowledge of our fate if this goes through. We ultimately will be starved to death, firstly homeless, then the rest will come inevitably. Klaus and Agustin working together for their bosses lurking behind the scenes.
I think most people have a complete lack of imagination and insight on this issue – it means slavery, unambiguously you will be a slave. Every time I mention this to people, that look come over their faces…the same one you get if you mention occupied Palestine, or the jabs, or the fact that MPs don’t represent you even a little bit and care even less about you and your family’s future.

Vagabard
Vagabard
Jul 18, 2023 11:59 AM

A few misconceptions imho (re CBDCs): CBDC transactions are only seen by central banks (and hence government) in an anonymized form. The wallet-providers (likely commercial banks) are the ones that will have your personal data and details of every transaction. As they currently do when you make a card transaction. What they may do with that data (ie who they share it with) is, of course, questionable. The commercial banks (or other ‘wallet’ providers) will also be the ones that may or may not add the ‘programmable’ aspect. The CBDC limit (£10,000 to £20,000) is to stop everyone from shifting their current bank accounts into the digital pound accounts (which would have repercussions for the broader economy ie providing loans to customers (raising interest rates), as central bank reserves would decrease with the shift) And the CBDC will be fully convertible to cash afaik. People will essentially vote with their… Read more »

Matt Black
Matt Black
Jul 18, 2023 12:57 PM
Reply to  Vagabard

21st Century money clipping

Erik Nielsen
Erik Nielsen
Jul 18, 2023 2:12 PM
Reply to  Vagabard

According to the link above you re BIS and total control and other frequently statements from IMF and Sber bank, the goal is 100% clear: Cashless digitized IoT society as quick and as far possible. All other declarations are the usual hoping, “I have a dream”, and illusion about do-good. It could and would be, but reality shows not. I find most discussions about CBDC to be fiddling around the hot porridge. The central problem with CBDC is that it is an abnormal perversity which contradicts the way nature and we all function. Its build on zero sum, 2-dimensional excel sheet and paper, book keeping fiduciary, trust in derivative circus, beliefs in fiat money, and claim to be superior to the 3-dimension, our earth and universe. A dry bookkeeper’s wet dream about world domination. Herman Gref/Sber bank (Russia’s biggest) even have the naughtiness to claim Bankers deliver spirituality to society.… Read more »

Vagabard
Vagabard
Jul 18, 2023 6:39 PM
Reply to  Erik Nielsen

You’re probably right. There’s likely always an excessive human hubris about the “next big thing”.

There (currently) being hubris over the infallibility of encryption (which CBDCs would rely on). And which the machines and algorithms of the future will no doubt refute and reduce to nothing.

Pride coming before a fall is probably the only truth to cling to. As the Tower of Babel eternally proved…

mgeo
mgeo
Jul 19, 2023 7:45 AM
Reply to  Vagabard

Quantum computing threatens all current encryption and passwords.

YourPointBeing
YourPointBeing
Jul 18, 2023 2:39 PM
Reply to  Vagabard

You are talking out of your arse.
B77 anyone?

Vagabard
Vagabard
Jul 18, 2023 2:42 PM
Reply to  YourPointBeing

Maybe. But at least I don’t need to switch moniker to do so

Pilgrim Shadow
Pilgrim Shadow
Jul 19, 2023 12:17 PM
Reply to  Vagabard

In the most basic terms, this is what CBDC is:

16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand or in their foreheads,
17 that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark or the name of the beast or the number of his name.

peter mcloughlin
peter mcloughlin
Jul 18, 2023 11:04 AM

The greatest myth in history, and promoted by all establishments, is the falsehood that power is real. Empires and elites deny power is an illusion while insisting it is not power that motivates them. That grave self-deception is leading humanity to nuclear Armageddon.
https://patternofhistory.wordpress.com/

Straight Talk
Straight Talk
Jul 18, 2023 12:42 PM

Is the Great Reset Failing? When Great Narratives Fall Apart

“Freedom, like love, come from places of strength. Dictatorship, like fear, come from a place of losing control. And power is like water, the more you grasp at it, the faster you lose it.”

Covid Lies Are Needed To Sustain The Medical Gold Rush
Capitalism Is A Giant Scam

Johnny
Johnny
Jul 18, 2023 10:57 AM

Meanwhile, Marianna conspires by deception, omission, emotive music and spewing the ‘party’ line.
And the moolah pours in.

George Mc
George Mc
Jul 18, 2023 10:46 AM

The observation about anti-Establishment Opinion is the key to the whole thing. “Establishment Opinion” is the term for the ruling dogma, once spun as “the word of God” so we may consider ourselves to have at least progressed to an admission that the rulers are delivering an “opinion”. But that’s deceptive anyway since this “opinion” functions in the same way as previous dogmas. It’s just that the terminology has to be more convoluted and subtle. Those who hold AEOs are therefore treated like unpardonable threats just as before, though the terminology has changed. The words used to label them as always follow the latest paradigm. In this case, it’s the language of psychology delineating mental sickness traced back to that ultimate blasphemy “conspiracy theory” taken as the unmistakable signal for a diseased mind. What is so unforgivable about “conspiracy theory” is that it shows a fundamentally critical view of the… Read more »

mgeo
mgeo
Jul 19, 2023 7:49 AM
Reply to  George Mc

For a start, we could stop using “AEO”.

thinking-turtle
thinking-turtle
Jul 18, 2023 10:28 AM

The rejected artwork (the image above the article) captured my attention. A ballerina in mini skirt swallowed by a dead tree overgrown with moss. That’s interesting symbolism!

One possible reading is the fertile maternal earth swallowing the airy intellectual abstraction, symbolizing the end of the BBC.

Straight Talk
Straight Talk
Jul 18, 2023 10:28 AM

We must learn that any person, who will not accept what he knows to be true, for the very love of truth alone, is very definitely undermining his mental integrity.

– Luthor Burbank

“Official Narrative” vs. Reality

Bandera, Biden and the BBC’s War on Our Intelligence

“Because peace cannot co-exist with the permanent war economy that underwrites the existence of the BBC and Biden, we must choose one or the other and then start moving in one direction or the other. And though our initial baby steps away from Biden and the BBC might, at first, seem trivial and of no consequence, when solid masses of us abandon them, their inevitable day of reckoning will hit them all the quicker.”

Erik Nielsen
Erik Nielsen
Jul 18, 2023 6:32 PM
Reply to  Straight Talk

Lex Luthor Burbank is an opponent to Superman and a security threat to the American people.

What he is saying in this referred to theme is exactly a reference to Superman. An attempt to smear and give Superman a bad reputation.

Woowoo
Woowoo
Jul 18, 2023 10:05 AM

I find the light paper has all the usual psyop lening it woke right to the right with it advocate for destantis and fake anti vaccine MP 2 years late to the party and other nudges it had towards the Conservative Christian right =nudge. It exactly how U>K shillium started out as a fake free newspaper which appeared everywhere then events that managed to have 2 people in but still have TV production videos made and edited (editing and videos back then was serious money) to show more people there then uploaded on google and you tube 15 mins back then. UKC is about as organic as the BBC actually BBC is not funded by racist nonces like UKC is). Iain who originally funded state operettas called U>K>C ..? it aint the listeners..!! This Marianna in Conspiracyland –is what the dummies alternative lot need to show the light paper is… Read more »

George Mc
George Mc
Jul 18, 2023 10:16 AM
Reply to  Woowoo

Psyops, double psyops, triple psyops etc.

A big hallo to our newly assigned resident troll. Working very well. The first comment here. Well worth the pay!

Woowoo
Woowoo
Jul 18, 2023 2:05 PM
Reply to  George Mc

Says the fog horn commentor Jilted George boring us for 3 years solid on about the left. 💤 
So mindcontrolled by alt media, You’ll vote right in the next selections to teach the left a lesson.
 💤 

George Mc
George Mc
Jul 18, 2023 3:30 PM
Reply to  Woowoo

The Zs are good.

wardropper
wardropper
Jul 18, 2023 6:38 PM
Reply to  George Mc

His only fault is that he fails to hold anybody’s interest for longer than 2.7 seconds.
His boss might want to look into that…

Admin Support
Admin Support
Jul 18, 2023 7:19 PM
Reply to  George Mc

Like say, 18 Saudi hijacker’s (psyop 1) WMD,s ( psyop 2) Invasion, “we want to give them our values” (psyop 3) missed a few steps but yeah these things happen & have happened.

Grafter
Grafter
Jul 18, 2023 10:45 AM
Reply to  Woowoo

Tiresome fellow.

Admin Support
Admin Support
Jul 18, 2023 7:14 PM
Reply to  Woowoo

Do wonder if people here know the version of Flat Earth that Darren Nesbit, the founder of the Light, pushes?

Thom Crewz
Thom Crewz
Jul 18, 2023 10:33 PM
Reply to  Admin Support

@Troll2

As if that means anything. Nice try though @sshole.

Admin Support
Admin Support
Jul 19, 2023 4:22 PM
Reply to  Thom Crewz

Oh another one. Instead of addressing the point you just come with unoriginal bog standard lazy slurs.. A five year old could’ve done that.

Many people here laugh at Flat Earth. I’m wondering if they’d be comfortable aligning with someone, such as Darren, that pushes it hard. You’ve watched his presentations on FE? He has many.

You know what I’m talking about?

He pushes a Pac man flat earth theory.

You obviously know that right? Na thought not.

Thom Crewz
Thom Crewz
Jul 26, 2023 6:20 AM
Reply to  Admin Support

Who gives a FF about the Light’s founder. The message from the content is more important. Nice but a very noicable sleght of hand from you though.

The Coming Revolution
The Coming Revolution
Jul 18, 2023 11:39 PM
Reply to  Admin Support

I wouldn’t know about that but… Strongroom (1963)

Old Brit films fan here 🙂

Placental_Mammal
Placental_Mammal
Jul 19, 2023 10:53 AM

Relevance

I’m not sure what the relevance of this 60 year old thriller is. I wasted an hour watching it. Completely implausible. But they did know techniques for maintaining suspense. Nasty twist at the end. Cinema does not have much value except for the banksters. Powerful propaganda tool and a means of keepling the sheeple distracted.

Placental_Mammal
Placental_Mammal
Jul 19, 2023 1:16 PM

Polanski

The incredible protection of Polanski for five decades is an indication of how much the banksters value cinema.

The Coming Revolution
The Coming Revolution
Jul 19, 2023 1:22 PM

No relevance other that Nesbitt was on it. Stopped watching TV years ago and switched to watching old movies 30s, 40s, 50s, 60s; became “fan” of British ones, specially comedies. Now I scarcely watch anything.

I watch them knowing perfectly what they represent as propaganda so I don’t get sucked by them. Lots of things I learned watching “from a distance” as Alan Watt used to recommend.

The Coming Revolution
The Coming Revolution
Jul 19, 2023 1:53 PM

Everything always boils down to money, just like in Christie’s novels (with very few exceptions). Movies like these discipline the viewer into the idea that no other than the “American Dream” is a legitimate way to earn a living. The Law is always depicted as the good guy, always at the service of the community, and always vigilant; you learn how the positions of the camera affects how we perceive a particular character, etc. You see right through the conditioning; you are doubly strengthened.

Admin Support
Admin Support
Jul 19, 2023 4:25 PM

Alan Watt was incredible. Just immense depth of knowledge & ties it all together seemingly so effortlessly. Learnt a lot from that man.

The Coming Revolution
The Coming Revolution
Jul 19, 2023 10:57 PM
Reply to  Admin Support

A beautiful soul. RIP.

Admin Support
Admin Support
Jul 19, 2023 4:23 PM

Thanks, I’ll check it out.