Cure By Suicide
Todd Hayen
One of the cool things (or so it seems) about Canada is National Health Care. A bad thing that comes with it (among many) is the government can, and will, stick its nose into your personal health business. One of these invasions is offering people a way to easily, and painlessly, end their life—assisted by the Canadian Health Care system. Now, I am not going to get into the pain and suffering of terminally ill patients—the ones with cancers that cannot be cured, or even managed, that are causing indescribable pain. Whether these people should or should not be offered a decent and dignified way to end their suffering is not the topic of this article.
But what if that offer is also presented to people whose sole medical condition is mental illness? What if it is depression, or anxiety, or bipolar, or schizophrenia, or ADHD that is causing “intolerable pain and suffering?” Should these types of illnesses, and the people suffering them, be not only offered, but affirmed, and supported, in a journey to end their lives—all wrapped up and paid for by the government?
Well, believe it or not, that is what is on the table in Canada. The program is called MAiD (Medical Assistance in Dying—of course we have to have a fancy acronym, don’t we?) and it is taking my profession, psychotherapy, by storm. You see, one of our unshakable prime directives is to do whatever is possible to keep a patient alive. Yes, we see many people who are on the verge of suicide, and it is the number one thing that is drilled into our heads in therapy school—do not let that happen.
The MAiD program does not yet cover “mental health as the sole disease” that warrants an assisted suicide, but it is on the docket to include mental illness this coming March. (Or so I thought, a colleague sent this link to me this morning (August 15, 2023). Chilling indeed.
My psychotherapy governing body, the CRPO (College of Registered Psychotherapists of Ontario) is already putting out feelers to their membership to see if we are warming up to such an option for our patients. Some of the questions on the survey they just sent out to all of us are similar to: “If MAiD is implemented to include mental health illnesses, and you have a patient who wants to utilize the program, will you be affirming in their decision and help them through the process?” “Hell no!” was my answer. I think all of this is unconscionable. It is wicked and nefarious, especially if you are aware of what is truly behind all of this—and it ain’t to help people either, you can bet your sweet bippy on that.
Suicides are actually going up. They took a little dip during Covid for several understandable reasons, but then headed up with a vengeance and are now at an all-time high. What better way to continue the trend by offering free assistance to those who are finding all of this insanity too much to bear? Those of us near the bottom of the rabbit hole know clearly that part of the agenda is to reduce the population of the world. Expecting people to do the job themselves may not seem very efficient. But think again. So much of this campaign is to basically strip the human race of its humanity. This is accomplished through humiliation, depression, hopelessness, and despair. It is accomplished through the establishment of a sense of “who cares” or “I might as well go considering there is no one willing to help me.”
It is a known fact that much depression we see documented is from impoverished populations. Having no place to live, hungry mouths to feed, and little assistance from welfare programs would make anyone depressed. Why isn’t money available to help these people? The national health system in Canada does not financially cover the services of registered psychotherapists or clinical psychologists, who do the bulk of mental health work. So why are they so anxious to help people pack it in if they can’t deal with their problems? Why don’t they pay for more mental health services instead, so these people can get therapeutic assistance?
And, considering the genocide intention, offering an easy way to off oneself is a good investment. When the sh-t hits the fan, people will be lining up for the lethal injection, like sheep to the literal slaughter. More organs and blood and other body parts for the elite—sorry for being so macabre, but I doubt if that is far from the truth. We are all “useless eaters,” after all.
Any government-regulated body that licenses individuals to practice a particular “controlled act” (such as psychology, psychotherapy, medicine, etc.) will be calling up their members to be the state’s agents and facilitate the state’s agendas. Psychotherapists have already been mandated to affirm sexual identity. If a man born as a male believes he is a woman (not “merely” homosexual) then we are required to affirm that identity and no longer treat it as a dysmorphia or cognitive distortion. The same will probably now happen with suicidal ideation. We will be mandated to support these ideations when we have been trained specifically to treat them as mental aberrations.
And what about the religious and moral implications of all of this? Of course, that is part of the agenda as well, to strip humanity of any moral underpinning and certainly to strip it of any belief in God or a supreme intelligence, or however one wishes to define the higher mysteries of reality.
The history of suicide is long and varied, and the advent of Abrahamic religions—Judaism, Christianity, and Islam—marked a significant shift in the perception of suicide. In these faiths, suicide came to be largely condemned, rooted in the belief in the sanctity of life as ordained by a higher power.
Judaism regarded life as a divine gift, and suicide was often seen as a violation of this sacred gift. Christianity, influenced by the teachings of Jesus Christ, emphasized compassion, selflessness, and the sanctity of life. Early Christian writings like the Didache and the Letters of Ignatius condemned suicide as a rejection of God’s providence and a refusal to endure suffering.
Islamic perspectives on suicide were also shaped by theological beliefs. In Islam, life is considered a trust from Allah, and taking one’s own life is viewed as a grave sin. However, some interpretations consider the circumstances of the individual, such as mental illness, which might impact the moral assessment of suicide.
Clearly from a religious or spiritual perspective, suicide is a bad move. Although, again, we as a culture can be compassionate regarding physical, and typically terminal, diseases that cause a lot of pain and suffering. When it comes to mental health, it is a bit of a different story.
I would never judge someone who takes his or her own life. Any situation that warrants such an extreme act is complex and often ineffable. But when it comes to mental health, I have always believed that suicide is a permanent solution to a temporary problem. No one can assess if a deeply troubling mental illness will turn around. There may be some forms of depression that cannot be resolved, but the majority of them can be. There may be other illnesses of the brain that can cause depression, psychosis, and anxiety that create a lifetime of misery, but most of those are physiologically based—brain damage, disease, and the like.
But if the state comes to establish a policy stating if a person meets a certain set of objective criteria (therefore not nuanced enough to reveal all that should be revealed), they will be afforded a state-run program designed to end their life easily, and affordably, you can count me out. I won’t be “affirming” any such thing, and will never encourage someone with a mental illness to end their life.
Todd Hayen is a registered psychotherapist practicing in Toronto, Ontario, Canada. He holds a PhD in depth psychotherapy and an MA in Consciousness Studies. He specializes in Jungian, archetypal, psychology. Todd also writes for his own substack, which you can read here
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The Abrahamic curse prohibits suicide because your life belongs to Yahweh (the false god and overlord of all three death/slave cults) and his Archonic minions, who need you in a state that can barely be called “alive” so they can feed on your suffering.
They still don’t condone it regardless of the reason, and people who are devoted to those systems do not feel it is a choice.
The treatment of mental illness is a form of genocide. The prototype drug for mental illness is called “chlorpromazine” and was introduced by Smith Kline in the early 1950s. The drug is repurposed from an insecticide known as “phenothiazine,” which was previously used on crops before it was replaced by DDT. It’s a killer drug which, apparently, has led to the deaths of a very large but unknown number of people. Chlorpromazine has been prescribed in the U.S. more than anywhere else.
I don’t doubt what you are saying. Certainly psychiatry has a quite dubious reputation, which goes on to this day. The moment that I thought they MIGHT be seeing the light, the re-introduced electroshock treatment for severe depression. Like any of these interventions that wipe out part of the brain (lobotomy being one of them) they SEEM to be “doing some good” at some point…but…
Liverpool Care Pathway comes to mind.
Canada is in good hands with you. Well said, Todd, Thanks!
All mental afflictions are spiritual problems and thus have a spiritual solution. Psychiatry is a cover to hide this fact. Another health racket.
As if on cue, look what the Fraud is pushing: https://dumptheguardian.com/society/2023/aug/28/two-thirds-of-britons-support-legalising-assisted-dying-poll-shows This is how they like to advance their agenda – paint it as if the public are just clamouring for the change and they are just reluctantly responding rather than having engineered the situation in the first place. Is the poll genuine? Who knows? It could after decades of relentless propaganda making one side of the argument (and I know from the soft leftists of my acquaintance it’s what they all think) but two reasons for suspicion: 1) the number in favour happens to be the two most powerful numbers in occultism (5 and 6) 2) the number against happens to be their number symbolising chaos (17 – which also happens to be Q, perhaps planting the idea that only far -right Trumptards stand in the way). They do acknowledge a slight fall in those supporting doctors killing people… Read more »
Wait a minute: 5 and 6 are the most powerful occult numbers? I thought it was 3. I wish to hell the freakin’ Masons would make up their mind! I’m running out of Post-Its to write all these occult numbers down!
All combinations of numbers can be boiled down to 666 if you are god-fearing enough.
The Matrix – a soul-abusive paradigm Below are some snippets from a long ago downloaded article on the Paradigm Conspiracy that has such a strong hold over society everywhere. I call it the Matrix. (The Matrix film trilogy perfectly portrays what it is). It’s our disconnect from meaning, from our inner locus of control that eventually leads to depression I believe. From the article: To be controlled, we have to be unplugged from competing sources of control. The major threat to external control is our internal guidance system—our souls. The soul being our inner connectedness to whatever we take to be Being, God, the One, the whole. The soul is what gives us the conviction that our lives have meaning. When we live from our souls, we feel alive and vital, and we take seriously the idea that we’re here for a purpose. To us, our souls are our best… Read more »
Good one. Pls allow me in all humility to suggest the Bible or the Quran. Same peace if people can catch the symbolics.
The pseudo-religions of death, psyhopathy, war and slavery know only the peace of the graveyard. You can take your parasitical “suggestion” to where the sun don’t shine.
Why is this site giving space to soul-sucking, proselytising drones?
I do wish people would read philosophy: or better still — practice zen. The soul is the ultimate commodity of consumer civilisation and control vector of humanity. The body has certain appetites as periodic deficiencies which can be met quite easily; the soul/self/ego/psyche/mind/consciousness is the malleable control-mechanisation of the body which by demand has infinitised, insatiable appetencies which each successive generation invents for itself. Ergo: the consumerist soul/psyche/consciousness is inveterately hungry for commodities that no previous generation had or needed; whichever is particularly true of this century when soul technology really took off. The soul or self is inveterately conditioned by consumer civilisation to consume; ergo the soul as alien animism of the body is an actual “hungry ghost” which collectively invents new needs, novel wants, and directed demand for more and more and more. The earth as ensouled is now “preta loka” undergoing the exponential consumptogenesis of ever more… Read more »
To the believers in “mental illness”. In your view: A) Is Lady Macbeth suffering from a “mental illness”? B) What is the ideal state of “health” or “order”? C) What medical treatment would you suggest? D) If she were to decline that treatment, should she be forcibly detained and treated against her will? E) If forcible detention and treatment were a possibility, should she have due process, Magna Carta rights to defend herself before a jury? For this hypothetical case, rather than being complicit in the criminal act of murder, please assume that Lady M is suffering from non-criminal guilt – e.g. she feels she could have done something to help save the life of somebody else. — Extract from the Preface to The Myth of Mental Illness by Thomas Szasz https://www.szasz.com/Szasz50newpreface.pdf https://www.szasz.com The thesis I had put forward in The Myth of Mental Illness was not a fresh insight,… Read more »
I wonder how Shakespeare’s Ophelia from “Hamlet” would be diagnosed by Thomas Szaz. Especially since, unlike Lady Macbeth, Ophelia committed no injustice upon anyone.
What would Szasz say? As pointed out above, and repeated again in the pdf below, he’d say that “the patient must minister to himself.” And he’d add: I propose that we view persons called ‘mental patients’ as active players in real life dramas, not passive victims of pathophysiological processes outside their control. I haven’t read that much of Szasz (e.g. I’ve done little more than read the abstract of the following pdf) so I’m not sure what his specific suggestions would be to Ophelia. However, I would suggest that she needs to step outside her personal drama – like Arjuna in the Bhagavad Gita. Of course, Szasz would examine the etymology of words; for instance, dia-gnosis: through knowledge. The relevant “condition” with regard to Ophelia is that vague generalisation labelled the “human” kind – and this is known to be characterised by dis-ease. Other than that, it’s been known since… Read more »
“The repressive societies now being established have two new characteristics: repression is softer, more diffuse, more generalized, but at the same time much more violent. For all who can submit, adapt, and be channel then, there will be a lessening of political intervention. There will be more and more psychologist, even psychoanalyst, in the police department; there will be community therapy available; the problems of the individual and the couple will be talked about everywhere; repression will be more psychologically comprehensive. The work of prostitutes will have to be recognized, there will be a drug advisor on the radio… In short, it will be a general climate of understanding acceptance. But if there are categories and individuals with scape this inclusion, if people attempt to question the general system of confinement, and they will be exterminated like the Black Panthers in the US, where the personalities exterminated as it happened… Read more »
The current horrific trend.Surprisingly,published in NYTimes:
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/08/23/health/transgender-youth-st-louis-jamie-reed.html
“The small Midwestern gender clinic was buckling under an unrelenting surge in demand.
Last year, dozens of young patients were seeking appointments every month, far too many for the clinic’s two psychologists to screen. Doctors in the emergency room downstairs raised alarms about transgender teenagers arriving every day in crisis, taking hormones but not getting therapy.
‘With its psychologists overbooked, the clinic relied on external therapists, some with little experience in gender issues, to evaluate the young patients’ readiness for hormonal medications. Doctors prescribed hormones to patients who had obtained such approvals, even adolescents whose medical histories raised red flags.”
Videos of Dr Mel Bruchet – Before incarceration (Nov 11, 2021) and after release (Jan 3, 2022) https://www.eastonspectator.com/2021/11/14/dr-mel-bruchet-interviewed-by-kuldip-singh-randhawa Dr. Mel Bruchet Interviewed By Kuldip Singh Randhawa November 14, 2021 Dr. Mel Bruchet interviewed by Kuldip Randhawa at the North Vancouver RCMP office, just prior to Dr. Bruchet and Dr. Daniel Nagase filing charges against elected and appointed government officials, to determine if any have conflict of interests regarding provincial lockdowns, vaccine mandates and vaccine passports. People were gathered outside the office concerned with news that thirteen babies were stillborn in a 24 hour period at Women’s and Children’s Hospital. We do not yet have confirmation about that number, but we do know there has been an increase in sick babies at Women’s and Children’s Hospital since mid 2021. — https://www.eastonspectator.com/2021/11/23/15-stillborn-deaths-in-24-hours-rallylions-gate-hospital 13 Stillborn Deaths In 24 Hours – Rally@Lions Gate Hospital November 23, 2021 PROTEST AT LIONS GATE HOSPITAL AND RCMP… Read more »
The system they are running is anti-human.
A world of processed and fake substances and chemicals to induce lethargy, low energy, low emotional state, and dependence. They make you “dis-eased” as a pretext for “treating” you to their chemical cocktails.
The system gets you into this state, so that you seek medical treatment, then the medial system says, we have no solutions, after many chemical cocktails, so how about we euthanize you. Don’t mind us dancing and chanting, or anything.
The only difference between modern medicine, and poison, is dosage.
If you are in any of the states listed above, look at your lifestyle choices.
Good health starts with gut health. Eat more fermented foods.
A recent primest example of the kind of degenerate perversion that old corporate organisation of socioeconomics, and, thus, human existence, leads to.
Beyond insanity, but, hey, some god/devil wills it and it comes with a blow-up doll, er, blow-up church. A “tardcon” spectacle no less bizarre than the “drag queen storytime” promoted further West.
With such a bunch of fucktard taxcattle high on bollocks on either side, the terrorist USEUNATO conglomerate and Kremlin, and the Chinks, have it easy to stage their little dance of “war” in Ukraine and elsewhere, the plandemic and “vaccines”, sold by each peddler as a gift from “science” to mankind, etc., and to advance the kind of policies this article touches upon.
Talk about communicable diseases.
Of all the warts on what we euphemistically call The Law, none give away the scam more succinctly than the prohibition against suicide. That alone makes it crystal clear that The Law has nothing to do with justice and fair play but everything to do with power and control.
Today, we tell you you can’t kill yourself. Tomorrow, we will tell you you can’t shit after 7 A.M. Court is now in session.
Nobody has ever said you can’t kill yourself.
This article is about people in white coats (“first do no harm”) encouraging you to come to their special place to be killed. You know, so you don’t have to deal with the logistics.
Come into my lair, said the spider.
https://youtu.be/SFniijAGpyc?si=f8G5WkNUPMQYMvc5
What’s sad is that nearly all mental illness can be taken care of with simple B vitamins.
Lives are being destroyed, families ripped apart, and suicides are happening because of a basic vitamin deficiency.
With so many people now taking vitamin supplements (which used to be provided by healthy food), it’s becoming a bit dicey for Big Pharma. Here in the US we have the Durbin-Braun Premarket Approval Proposal (not yet enacted).
Though it wears a kindly face, it’s actually an attempt to regulate and prohibit supplements.
The verdict will come from the same benign experts who approved the c-jab.
The good times are back – I hope to see young girls getting choked by police for not wearing a mask. What other science™ do you hope to see now the new Variants™ are here?
More “safe and effective” magic V juice that “has undergone RIGOROUS testing!”
That’s me not going to Canada any time soon
If there was a country called disabled, I would be from there. I live disabled culture, eat disabled food, make disabled love, cry disabled tears, climb disabled mountains and tell disabled stories. If there was a country called disabled, I would say she has immigrants that come to her From as far back as time remembers. If there was a country called disabled, Then I am one of its citizens. I came there at age 8. I tried to leave. Was encouraged by doctors to leave. I tried to surgically remove myself from disabled country but found myself, in the end, staying and living there. If there was a country called disabled, I would always have to remind myself that I came from there. I often want to forget. I would have to remember…to remember. In my life’s journey I am making myself At home in my country. Neil Marcus,… Read more »
https://youtu.be/W7ru77tnGcE?si=2rYXwSJo5-TYaL7q
According to the human; the human is a rational animal which sets us above the rest as sapient (wise.) By simple observation, that wisdom takes the contemporaneous form of economic rationality; and the dominant view of the psyche is that man is an economically rational animal with a view globalisation; as an anthropological economisation some call ‘neoliberal’. Rational Psychiatric Man is homo oeconomicus neoliberalismus and the earth is made in his image. Nobody likes this idea, so we make up stories in our head to psychically distance ourselves from the anthropological totalisation of the rational-causal psyche; whichever is no distance at all as everybody who is employed works in the globalisation market-economy [global ME]; and those who do not work want to [be ME]. The funny thing about this, the actual state of geopolitical reality, is not that the dissent, deviation, illness and suicide rates are going up (as they… Read more »
Too much focus on convenience and conversion and not enough on convulsion as per this … https://www.unz.com/jfreud/on-the-three-cs-the-3cs-of-convenience-conversion-and-convulsion-wolf-vs-dog-negro-vs-white-man-savage-and-slavish-civilization-and-its-costs/
Just the sort of fascist racism you’d expect from an Unz feature.
Strawman fallacy. Focus on the subject matter, i.e. the stuff that drives the goings-on.
Fucking racist diarrhea: take your shit and stick it somewhere else. Do not ever reply to me again.
Fuck you too. I’ll stick my shit wherever I please and you can go fuck yourself. You’re on a public forum, if you haven’t noticed. You don’t like something, jerk off in your privacy.
The analogy is right on. Hippos don’t give a fuck about ideological propaganda. Only idiots of your ilk fall for it.
None of which, by the way, is the point of the text. You got blinders on which is why you can’t see that you got blinders on.
A “public forum” does not automatically give someone leave to bandy about all manner of gutter language.
(As someone who loves gutter language, I resent its being used inappropriately. It loses its effect.)
I see you’ve joined the club. You now have followers who delight in baiting you with the ridiculous gussied up to look sublime.
I once followed some of the links from Unz. Talk about the dark web. 4-5 clicks from there into intellectual hell…. I ain’t going there again.
For a closer focus on the subject matter ie, Wolves, I heartily recommend this book by a naturalist who has lived with wolves; they are not fascist:
“Never Cry Wolf”, by Farley Mowatt.
By the way, the Fasces (bundle of axes) was the insignia of one of the greatest and most influential of Western civilizations; Rome. But the Romans traced their family values back to the wolf’s milk that nurtured Romulus and Remus.
“It is no real wonder that an insane society hellbent on economic growth-obsessed imperialism is feeling sick and suicidal”
only when it meets an insuperable obstacle.
For instance, Hitler blew his brains out only when the Red Army hung the Red Flag over the Reichstag. Until then he had enjoyed the trip.
For instance, the EU$A is feeling sick and acting suicidaly only because “our irresistible armed might” (NATZO) was repulsed in Syria, Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, Yemen, Ukraine, Russia and China; with every sign of new resistance to come in Africa and South America. Up till now we have enjoyed the feeling of moral superiority that comes from forcibly administering bad medicine to recalcitrant patients “for their own good”.
Ah, but we (the US) still have geoengineering. Although so do many other nations.
We can negatively affect the weather almost anywhere. Right now, for instance, South America – in its winter – is experiencing very hot weather. Bolivia, for one, recorded a temperature of 113 F (of course, Bolivia does have Amazon jungle as well as the Altiplano.)
The Persian Gulf area of Iran experienced a heat index of 157F. We don’t like Iran – and don’t care if they know it.
The US still has enough clout to remain the schoolyard bully. For awhile more.
“We can negatively affect the weather almost anywhere. Right now, for instance, South America”
Despite an urban myth that a butterfly flapping its wings in the Amazon will affect a Test Match at Lords, the weather is not so delicately poised as we humans like to believe.
I can see the battlelines drawn between the imperial axis — nominally USUK — against the sub-imperial axis of Sino-Russia. “Whoever rules the world-island (eurasia) commands the world” was Mackinder’s dictum of imperial geopolitics.
The “insuperable obstacle” is the earth: we will continue to play out the Great Game until the power to do so runs out. Only then will we learn to cooperate and live together — maybe. Let us discount the great many insuperable future contingencies that may prevent that for now.
Basic shepherding: Sheeple like to do what everyone else does; therefore, the larger the flock the easier it is to guide.
https://youtu.be/pzrZT-bROSQ?si=5Arp66Ff5LBuaUJK
“What I can’t understand about you Lemmings is, why you go off in mass to drown yourselves”.
“What I can’t understand about you humans”, said the Lemming, “is why you don’t”. — James Thurber, Conversation with a Lemming.
There are a thousand reasons given by the “normals” in power to justify the ending of the lives of other people by the million; defence of democracy, religion, King and country, etc. but ending your own life has aiways been a big “no no”.
Death in a gallant and suicidal attempt to slaughter our foes is regarded as a noble end whilst ending one’s own life while hurting no one else is cowardice !
Why have churches warned that suicide would lead to eternal burning in the fires of hell?
Because suicide represents an escape from hell upon earth inflicted by the “normals” who prefer live slaves to dead slaves.
“ending your own life has aiways been a big “no no”.
It is hard to stay alive, so the instinct to preserve one’s life is strong.
I doubt if making easy Suicide on the National Health would raise the death rate more than 1%.
On the other hand I believe that, in a hopeless situation, animals and primitive people have been known to turn their faces to the wall and die unassisted.
A great convenience is that Suicide on Demand would be signed off in the presence of a Medical Authority, thus saving the expense of a Coroner’s Court.
But I do not understand the Canadian favourable provision for Mental illness. This seems to me superfluous because most people are crazy. Some people are nice crazy, some not so nice, but I don’t see the connection. I understand “Committed suicide” but why drag in “while of unsound mind”?
Thanks for this article. I am seeing a couple of people in the comments claiming mental, illness “doesn’t exist” – but surely this is as faulty as the counter-belief that everything “abnormal” is “mental illness”. Don’t we require a great deal of nuance here? Yes there are people whose “hallucinations” are benign & who may well represent access to different ways of knowing or experiencing reality. Medicating such people is arrogant, intrusive and merely about asserting the consensus view of what is “real”. But what about the others? Here is a case study from my own experience (a loved one). This man (call him Peter) was a high achieving undergraduate at a good school, with a 4.0 GPA, looking to graduate a year early and go on to obtain a doctorate in physics at a major US school. One day he disappeared from his campus and was missing for weeks.… Read more »
Please define:
A) “Illness”
B) “Mental”
C) “Psychiatry”
D) “Medical”
Note; although you didn’t use the term “medical”, you did use the term “psychiatric profession”. I assume you believe psychiatry to be a medical discipline; but if not, please say what you think it is.
I don’t really want to sidetrack into a debate over terminology. I would just like to know how you and others here who claim mental illness does not exist, would recommend people such as Peter should be treated?
Was it right to use medication to control his “hallucinations”?
Can you recommend what would be better therapies for people in his situation?
And what about people whose “hallucinations” or “delusions” propel them to hurt others?
If we relinquish the concept of mental illness how do we manage such cases?
I don’t really want to sidetrack into a debate over terminology. I would just like to know how you and others here who claim mental illness does not exist, One of the key arguments against the validity of “mental illness” as a concept is that it is undefinable. If it were objectively definable, you would presumably provide the standard definitions. Of course, just because something is undefinable doesn’t automatically mean that it doesn’t exist. For instance, “art” is undefinable, but I’m happy to say that it exists. However, art recognises that it is a subjective experience, whereas “mental illness” claims that it is objective science. If so, the objective definitions must also exist. Hence, you should have no difficulty providing the definitions. Or are you claiming that a science can exist without objective definitions? BTW: On this thread, I will debate only the concept of “mental illness” – since I… Read more »
I’m focusing on real world realities, not on theory or definition. Whatever definition you use there are people like Peter suffering and in need of help. They can’t just wait around while we all discuss our definitions. I am asking those who claim “mental illness doesn’t exist” how they would treat someone like my loved one? Someone in great emotional and physical pain, someone delusional, believing they can fly or are invisible or are being mocked by demons. Is there an alternative to drugs that can provide a better outcome for people like this in acute distress? What could he have been offered during those initial weeks when he was forcibly hospitalized and medicated, that would have removed his symptoms and put him out of risk of suicide better than chlorpromazine seems to have done? No, I’m not saying everyone should be medicated or the psychiatric profession are stainless. I… Read more »
As I thought, you can’t define “mental illness”.
Correct. I can’t define it and don’t want to try.
I just want PRACTICAL answers. My loved one was treated by people who believe in “mental illness” and the treatment seems to have cured him, or at least alleviated his symptoms to give him the space to cure himself.
All I need to know is how would he have fared if he had been seen by people who don’t believe in mental illness? What would they offer him that would have stopped his delusions and his physical pain as well as chlorpromazine seems to have done?
I’m not prejudging I just want to know!
But you think it’s okay that on the subjective say-so of whitecoats, and without any recourse to due process, people are subjected to incarceration, physical and mental abuse, torture, and slow execution.
Perhaps some people believe they benefit from that sort of treatment, but as the last few years has clearly demonstrated, there’s no end to the absurdity that people will believe if it’s sold as “medical science”.
No, I do not think that, and I think I’ve made it plain I am just looking for answers.
Can you please at least try to answer my question (asked many times), or perhaps say you can’t answer it.
I would just like to know either way rather than keep asking a simple question you ignore.
You claim to believe in “mental illness” – and you believe that “mental illness” is a justification for forced incarceration, torture and murder. At least have the decency to provide a definition!
“Lost in a dark wood” and similar people cant answer you because they have a mental defect themselves. As this mental defect is not disabling but only an irritating weakness we could call it ideology. They react with the typical side stepping, inventing endless problems which should be answered first before we can get to the point. They are not able to get a clear picture of reality for some reason. I usually meet these types, the do-gooders, when they arrive with all kind of raised fingers of what other people should and could have done better. In East they have a habit of chaining mentally ill persons to the family’s house, to limit the damage these mentally ill do when their illness break out. Its a good solution, because the mentally ill are close and with the family who know them and take care of them in this simple… Read more »
My previous partner suffered from constant, abusive voices. The medication did nothing but tranquilize with unpleasant physical side effects.
Eventually it became too much and she took her own life. However you want to label it, this was an illness. And as usual, there is no simple cure.
Our son had schizophrenia: delusions and weird behaviour. He was treated with the usual drugs. Like the case you quote, medication did not dispel his delusions — he could still see them and hear them — but medicine calmed him down enough to “distance himself” from his delusions. With financial help from us, and visits from professional minders, our son was able to live a “normal” life in an apartment near us, until he died from one of the wellknown side effects of psychiatric medication — overweight and cardiovascular incident. We might have given him a few more good years by persuading the medics to reduce his medication; but we are grateful for their help. “Before I worked in a mental health centre I used to divide people into sane or insane. Now I divide people into crazy but nice or crazy but not so nice” — Rita Schwartz, Psychiatric… Read more »
I probably shouldn’t even jump into this thread; so please forgive the intrusion. But there does seem to be “evidence” of a correlation between mental illness and drugs – at least what might be termed “temporary” mental illness, which usually resolves once the drugs are abandoned. These recreational drugs are far more insidious than many in our “hip” culture care to admit. Crack especially – that one is a monstrosity. A good friend twice attacked me – possibly might have killed me – had I not been alert and fast (and nearly 40 years younger then). He was fine until the crack epidemic (this was in Washington DC in the ’80s). Then he changed. Nothing mattered but getting and smoking crack. He lost two side by side houses in Northeast DC. FWIW, I was his only friend who stuck by him – and managed to get him back to his… Read more »
Can relate to that. Had a gf in the 2000s with similar affiliations. She started as an ‘experiment’, at least from my perspective. A test of Christian truth. From her perspective (presumably), I was the naive sucker to be robbed for every penny she could get her grubby mitts on. I, in return, had a policy of giving double what she demanded. If asked for £20, I gave her £40. This being the unwritten, never expressed rule. So, we toured restaurants, chatted, and kissed on occasions. I buying her books by Jackie Pullinger (worth checking out) in vain attempts to extricate her from her habit, and (as inevitably happens in such cases) we departed. Maybe because things just got way too scary. As a lifelong spook magnet and being subsequently chased by junkies through town streets probably didn’t help matters much either. Nevertheless, still much loved (from an appropriate distance)… Read more »
“Crack is forever”.
So is much of the medication that is legally prescribed for mental illness. It is notoriously difficult for a patient to “taper off” from anti-depressant pills. Even normal people who were given anti-depressants experimentally, found it difficult to “come off” anti-depressant drugs because, when some previously normal people stopped taking the anti-depressant in these experiments they developed symptoms of Clinical Depression!
Mental health “science” and service is becoming more complicit in totalitarianism. What benefit has it brought? If you are feeling bad for any reason including a severe physical disease, you may be eligible for the happy pills, provided someone pays: you, insurance or government. In US in 2021, “overdoses” of synthetic “opoid” narcotics killed 71,000 people [US Nat. Centre for Health Statistics].
https://www.mintpressnews.com/taliban-successful-opium-eradication-afgahnistan-fentanyl/285451/#
This excludes deaths from legal narcotics (including alcohol and nicotine), illegal ones and violent battles everywhere over the latter. How many more are struggling with enslavement to narcotics?
Even for assisted suicide, you may have to donate body parts, because that is Net Zero and capitalism hates wastage.
https://www.vtforeignpolicy.com/2023/08/special-investigation-diagnosis-death-and-how-doctors-are-killing-us/
Assisted suicide also wraps up cases of failed medical treatment neatly.
So David Rockefeller received six hearts before he died at the age of 101. All those hearts were taken from live patients, since from the dead, no hearts can be taken.
The billionaires, the moneymakers, the bankers live long lives and prosper because they not only steal land, resources and the whole planet and make it their private property, but they steal organs from people they murder. Capitalism is like that. Everything is for sale.
Organ harvesting industry is a very profitable industry, making more money for those who don’t need any more, taking from those whose lives don’t matter.
Since the billionaires and the money makers are in charge of states, governments, institutions, they get to live happy lives while you own nothing, not even your body.
https://rumble.com/v2wvb1x-dead-bodies-dont-yield-live-organs-canadas-maid-part-four-share.html
Canada is a sick and abhorrent country.
Actually, it’s not a country -it’s a colony-as are all Western democracies,
colonized by corporations and elites and their quest for new markets:minds and bodies.
it’s brutal here and dangerous.
To be, or not to be: that is the question: Whether ’tis nobler in the mind to suffer The slings and arrows of outrageous fortune, Or to take arms against a sea of troubles, And by opposing end them? To die: to sleep; No more; and by a sleep to say we end The heart-ache and the thousand natural shocks That flesh is heir to, ’tis a consummation Devoutly to be wish’d. To die, to sleep; To sleep: perchance to dream: ay, there’s the rub; For in that sleep of death what dreams may come When we have shuffled off this mortal coil, Must give us pause: there’s the respect That makes calamity of so long life; For who would bear the whips and scorns of time, The oppressor’s wrong, the proud man’s contumely, The pangs of despised love, the law’s delay, The insolence of office and the spurns That… Read more »
“There is nothing either good or bad, but thinking makes it so” So if you think something’s bad, just change your thinking and it isn’t! Empires? Mass murder? Human sacrifice? Paedophilia? Child abuse? Enforced sterility? Extortion? Mass deception? It’s how one thinks about them that’s the problem, not the act itself and its perpetrators. It’s pure Luciferianism and exactly the same sentiment as expressed in NIetzsche. And some Middle England son of a glove merchant horse-minder just happened to think of it? Of course not – it’s the same elites promoting the same creed as they have for centuries. In an amoral universe the ‘will to power’ becomes the only reality and the elite have plenty of that. Any of the Elizabthan nobility are more credible authors than William Shakespeare (or however it was spelt) of Stratford. ‘Hamlet’ in particular has strong parallels with the life of Edward De Vere… Read more »
I read Liam Scheff’s abbreviated chapter in his Official Stories regarding the case for Edward de Vere being the primary author of Shakespeare’s works and found it totally convincing. I also have read (afterwards) Francis Bacon’s The New Atlantis which was essentially a novel. While it was competently written, it had none of the flair of true genius of the works of Shakespeare. Bacon was most probably the “bastard” son of Elizebeth I. I never understood the rational for Bacon being promoted as the primary author of Shakespeare other than his political influence. The one thing which is certain beyond a reasonable doubt is that the barely literate cattle trader Shakespeare didn’t write Shakespeare. As to the Luciferian, death cult influence, while I agree with you regarding its truly psychopathic nature and its centuries long endemic and pervasive strength among the British aristocracy, I do not regard Shakespeare’s work as… Read more »
All the narrative about mental illness is shaped by pharma and doctors’ groups such as the APA. The standard treatments for mental illness are pharma drugs which treat symptoms but don’t cure anything, and those who control the narrative do not recognize any cure or alternative treatments for mental illness. As with COVID-19, there are alternative treatments which, like ivermectin for COVID, are not permitted to be part of the mental illness narrative. When suicide is recommended for mental patients due to acquiescence to the belief in the hopelessness of mental illness, then that’s equivalent to murder. It’s just another aspect of this era of genocide.
During “covid”, Canada was offering suicide to people suffering from (a) physical disabilities, while withholding promised physical aids (b) major physical illness, while withholding treatment. If a colossal tar sands industry (for example) opens up and threatens the “dregs of society”, this is a neat way to reduce resistance.
Some medicines for severe pain or mental trauma are not just ineffective but may may trigger stroke, heart attack or suicide. Yet, the establishment outlaws cannabis and kratom that may be safer. The effort to synthesise cannabis (make it private property) seems to have been limited.
Just think about the possibilities! India & Mexico do medical tourism where you can get quality work done inexpensively. Canada should start the “Suicide Tourism” program! I can just see the ads now:
“Does your elderly relative have a lot of money that they are wasting on food, shelter & medicine? Bring them to Canada and for a fee we’re happy to be your termination men”
Hearing about this confirmed my opinion that humanity had entered a state pure insanity.
It is heart breaking.
‘That in you that recognises madness as madness (even if it is your own) is sanity, is the arising awareness, is the end of insanity.’ – Eckhart Tolle
They will be turning people into biscuits next.
What we REALLY need is a plague of PLUTOCRICIDE.
Fingers crossed.
Government Assisted Suicide. (GAS).
I prefer something that sounds more officious, like Voluntary Citizen Termination Option.
The Three Abrahamic religions have a very, very large amount to answer for, when viewed in terms of the past 2000 years of history. I would not be citing their ‘principles’ when coming to conclusions about suicide. All three religions have powerful adherents that take subsets of their religious texts to in effect utter racist mantras that their followers are intrinsically superior to non-believers. There are far too many people who try to make out that all three are peacable, when the history of the world shows that the vast majority of wars are initiated by ‘imperialistic religious nutjobs’. The Christians tried to colonise the world and impose Christianity between about 1600 and 2000. They failed. The Muslims are now in their great phase of global diaspora creation and the evidence is indubitable that they are trying to impose their dogma on the world moving forward. The Jews, being a… Read more »
I’m not sure why the corruption and maniacal behaviour of the Abrahamic religions change the fact that they all opposed suicide (even though they all committed murder at some point). It still is a true statement. I wasn’t trying to imply much else. Maybe the question is, why is it relevant?
if “suicide” is offered, made easily available is it still “suicide”? standing on a chair with a rope around your neck and jumping off, pulling a trigger, gun to your head, that is suicide a sickly smiling “nurse” nudging toxic amounts of pharma into your veins, thats something else, begins with M my father spent 2 of his last 4 weeks of life in a high dependency ward, a man who spent his entire life in complete denial of anything “after life” begged me with tears in his eyes to “get him home to die” what he claimed to have experienced whilst on the ward were dark shadows that congregated around the beds of those on the edge, those beds would soon be empty, he witnessed malevolent beings with purpose from what i have researched being fully conscious at the time of death is truly important, being awash with opioids… Read more »
This small minority believe they are doing a good thing by cleansing the world of (us)
Tikkun Olam!
Belief in the manmade God of organised religion is a mental illness in itself, and childhood indoctrination and abuse in the name of this “God” has driven many, many people crazy as adults.
Just don’t expect those who never escaped their indoctrination to see it.
Todd, one quick question: where it reads “This is accomplished through humility, depression, hopelessness, and despair”, did you mean humiliation instead of humility? Thank you for your articles.
That probably would be a better choice of words, but it implies someone, or something, is doing it, the other words, “depression, hopelessness, and despair” are the results of something being done to bring about those things…so is humility…so…whatever.
Maybe “self-hatred” or “self-loathing” would be better? Humility, rightly conceived, is actually a virtue.
Yes, I made a mistake
Humility is a virtue, and is brought about by the person himself.
yes, see my comment below…sorry
I think humility fits in the sense that it describes self-effacement, failure to assert oneself, no sense of self-worth.
I responded to this before, but it isn’t here…(maybe OG is trying to save me humiliation)?? but am responding again, you are correct…totally my error…no excuse except I do make mistakes…
I am not sure what I was thinking when I replied before, maybe I was asleep. If OG is “pending” that response, please delete it.
The mental illness of belief in the Jew abortions of Christianism, Islamism, and, of course, Satanism is a great part of the problem. Not to mention that Abrahamic religious governance is the oldest form of corporate-commercial governance still in place.
All right. So now its the ancient times who are the scapegoats.
After we dashed, whipped, and beat the h… out of all the politicians, the bankers, the doos and all the other duffers who are part of “the planet’s problem”.
“The filth”. “The useless eaters”. “The polluters”. “The moslems”. “All the fockheads who forgot to ask for permission before they entered my space”.
I don’t give a fuck about your Abrahamic derangement and delusions, or anyone else’s. In any case, ask your shrink about that.
Not for the first time, I present the opening passages of Kurt Vonnegut’s typically, and astonishingly prescient, 1968 short story “Welcome to the Monkey House”. It’s a bit long, because I’m including tangential text about the birth-control aspect, but I think it’s relevant to the overall prophetically dystopian ambience. I hope readers who don’t scroll past on TL;DR grounds will agree that it’s eminently worth the trip: ___________________________________ So Pete Crocker, the sheriff of Barnstable County, which was the whole of Cape Cod, came into the Federal Ethical Suicide Parlor in Hyannis one May afternoon–and he told the two six-foot Hostesses there that they weren’t to be alarmed, but that a notorious nothinghead named Billy the Poet was believed headed for the Cape. A nothinghead was a person who refused to take his ethical birth-control pills three times a day. The penalty for that was $10,000 and ten years in jail. This… Read more »
Off-Guardian fuck your pending system, grow up, and get rid of it.
Quoth the bot.
Look, Off-G is presently infested with trolls like bed bugs in a cheap hotel.
So it is not working, is it!
Like the money-laundering banks who harass honest customers buy putting their money on pause, it is theatre at best, manipulation at worst.
Mirror, mirror, ………
Concerning the increasingly prevalent trolls: how do you know they represent a poorly working algorithm? Maybe they’re exactly what the management ordered.
??? Your comments seem to get published, don’t they? Can you think of any internet news and analysis forum that is more inclusive? Didn’t think so.
Hmmm as I was reading down the comments and rather enjoying the discussion, suddenly there was this from you – interrupting and diverting an otherwise interesting flow of comments.
Ironically you looked like the only troll in sight
Its a general habit we all have more or less. Children call it “what you say is yourself”, the shrink call it “projective identification”.
Despite all the touting by the PTB, technology will never be infallible. If Off-G dumped their spam-catching system the comments would probably be over-run with porn links and messages like “earn $10,000 a week stuffing envelopes.”
Seamus, https://off-guardian.org/2023/08/26/cure-by-suicide/#comment-625388
I’m in the same place.
“From earliest childhood, I always felt that way, but I didn’t understand why.”
You have a gift, don’t doubt yourself. Those who see the social circle from outside, see it as it is viewed from above.
Society is increasingly a Mind War… it matters not who is conducting this deception – it only succeeds so long as many comply.
The days of media sites telling you “what you need to know” are numbered. Only peer-to-peer will survive.
https://moneycircus.substack.com/p/paid-post-mind-wars-unleashed
You live as long as your economic longevity takes you. With the attack on pensions and switching retirement savings with volatile 401Ks? What did you expect?
A while back Matt Walsh of the Daily Wire went off on a tangent about MAID and the mindset of the Canadian government. The focus was on increased suicide rates. Daily wire touched on it again this week because of the latest stats that show a larger than normal jump in suicide rates in older men. I will write them and include a link to this essay. Although, they have probably already read this.
My two cents: What are the positions of body handling industries once these people are dead? Like funeral home associations, manufacturers of embalming chemicals, life insurance companies, etc.
Are there money trails that need to be followed?
Daily Wire and particularly MATT WALSH are bad people.
By that I mean against “us humans” best interests.
Don’t worship (or, in fact listen to) false idols
Can you explain why you think these sources are bad?
Those on the left all agree with your summation. The normalizing of aberrant behavior for political gain is one of the left’s goals. What you have written makes perfect sense.
I would conjecture that suicides, if not otherwise accounted for in a will or through a close relative, would be shuffled off to some science lab to have valuable organs absconded so that surgeons could make a mint installing them in patients. And whatever’s left used for The Science.
But then, I’ve never understood the concept of Organ Donor. The surgeon gets rich, the patient gets additional life – and the one whose organs make it all possible gets nothing. What’s wrong with this picture (besides everything).
The concept of brain death, firmly entrenched in the medical establishment, is unsettled. In a few cases, the subjects have woken up just before the surgery to remove parts, or after years on life support.
If you have been healthy and are now in a “coma”, will the knowledge that you are a potential donor influence the treatment options you get?
The murder industry owns everything, including the bodies of the murdered, to sell for profit.
https://rumble.com/v2w25d6-canadian-organ-harvesting-industrial-complex-maid-part-one-share.html
In capitalism, money is the supreme deity. Private prisons recycle the outcastes of society like trash for profit. Similarly, this altruistic assistance in suicide will “develop” some industries including those you mentioned.
Let us not forget the global trade in body parts, an important spin-off from “conflict”. There are only so many countries you can subvert or invade, and even that costs big money. This scheme is a lot cheaper, with better assurane of product quality.
OT: here’s a funny thing.
The Spanish womens football team won the womens football world cup.
This has now been overshadowed by “an unwanted kiss”
Get it yet?
I mean, do you really understand?
World Cup
Women’s world cup ? What an effing waste of time and resources. The men’s event is bad enough. What is the need of a parallel distaff competition ? The world is allegedly warming. Why not convert some of the stadiums into nature reserves ? Imagine the waste of electricity for lighting and other facilities.
There is a big market for distraction from big personal and political issues.
Fully agree in everything Todd write.
This “depopulation” agenda has a backside of perversity. Not only should we depopulate which could have its reasons, but this depopulation must happen “in a human way”, so slow, limited and sadistic as possible.
Mentally ill people need first of all attention, organisation and protection in order to function, feel secure in order to get on two feet again. The problem is they are pushing and grinding everybody down with their mental state. All the best.
Well, I have a series on depopulation, which I approach in the gentlest way I can think of — because it is a topic that people understandably do not want to confront, and I link it practically to current events.
Maui’s Children – Smart Cities And Sex Trafficking – Sixth in a series on depopulation
https://moneycircus.substack.com/p/crisis-update-mauis-children-smart
It’s very noteworthy that you post “fuck you OffG” while at the same time using us as unpaid promotion for your own work – and you just assume we’ll be ok with that.
I wonder how many other sites would let you get away with it. Do you think it’s appropriate? Maybe a minimum of politeness should be obligatory in return for hosting multiple links to your own (monetized) outlet?
Small part of the evil plan. Lock downs and fear porn. mentally unstable neighbors. Loud noises, wailing sirens when no emergency at all. F-ing with the weather. The rise (again) of shit food inc and the poisons it contains. Energy drinks. Jabs. Vapes. Junk media in all formats. brain frying 5G & Wi-Fi. forever wars. Constant doom & gloom blasted at you from all angles. Anyone would think the small list I created would drive people to suicide. Yeah, I guess it would, for many.
Sounds like my neighbourhood. But Clint Eastwood would never commit suicide.
You have to go through everything and suffer anything if you wanna be a real man, and as long I have my gun they cant do a shit.
I’m sure every neighbourhood has a crazy living close by, It’s nothing new and can be enlightening if they have a good life tale to tell. But the modern guys are more into face creams and grooming, clean nails and polished butt cheeks, how can anyone get repairs carried out with that type a female said to me recently.
I was plagued with thoughts of suicide for most of my life. The only thing that kept me alive all those years (decades, in fact) was alcohol — lots of it. But I finally quit the bottle just over five years ago, and thanks to a rigorous régime of prayer and meditation, I have not experienced any return of true suicidal ideation. Nevertheless, there’s still a part of me that sympathizes with those who feel driven to suicide. The world, as it is today, is nothing other than a vast insane asylum run by the wicked. So if you are neither insane nor wicked, you are bound to feel that you don’t belong here — and in some sense you’re right. From earliest childhood, I always felt that way, but I didn’t understand why. Nobody around me seemed to feel that way, including the psychiatric professionals I was sent to… Read more »
Seamus, I’m in the same place.
“From earliest childhood, I always felt that way, but I didn’t understand why.”
You have a gift, don’t doubt yourself. Those who see the social circle from outside, see it as it is viewed from above.
Society is increasingly a Mind War… it matters not who is conducting this deception – it only succeeds so long as many comply.
The days of media sites that tell you “what you need to know” are numbered. Only peer-to-peer will survive.
https://moneycircus.substack.com/p/paid-post-mind-wars-unleashed
Well said.
thank you for sharing this.
Observation…..you were once drunk and then you became sober. You were dying and then you became ALIVE!!!!
Question…..in order for the world(others) to become SOBER(ALIVE)….does the world(all of us) need to follow a 12 STEP PROGRAM????
It seems that the only thing that has worked, in order for people to become SOBER(AWAKE), is to participate in a RECOVERY PROGRAM!!!!
Question……what are the 12 STEPS that would be needed in order for a FULL RECOVERY to take place in a global system that is choking the life out of humanity????
I am asking this of EVERYONE…..we have to RECOVER what we have lost or are at risk of losing which is Love, Compassion etc…..
The twelve step approach (as seen in AA) actually had its origins in something called the “Oxford Group” which was much more overtly religious in focus and was seen as useful for all people (or let’s say most people) to overcome long standing personal problems, to lessen or even eliminate persistent feelings of depression, anxiety, resentment and fear. This would enable them to live more fully as true disciples of Christ, as lights in a world where darkness was so pervasive.
It starts with two people talking to each other. This is profoundly demonstrated in the 1989 made for tv movie, “My name is Bill W,” starring James Woods and James Garner with James Woods portraying Bill W. If you’re interested in humanity, this film is for you.
thank you
“Two people talking to each other”. That’s verboten isn’t it??? …very early on in the scamdemic, I made a LOT of effort to talk to friends one on one to urge them to step back and evaluate the contradictions in the narrative. I showed how the “scientific data” itself exposed the scamdemic but only if you read it carefully and looked at the footnotes, methodologies and conflicts of interest instead of relying on MSM to digest and vomit it out at you through your TV or the gazillion whatsapp “forwards”. How naive I was. About a month in, I began to realize these talks were not welcome and since then I’ve given up on talking. People are in two camps and nobody talks. Even the ones who are “anti-vax” (I consider myself pro-choice rather than anti-vax per se) have some absurd theories that are off limits for discussion: the virus… Read more »
Feeling one doesn’t belong is a two-sided coin. And if one has not experienced the other side of the coin, then, yes, it can be a terrible place to be.
The other side, simply put, is not wanting to belong. Looking around and not seeing anything you truly wish to be a part of.
Of course, that too presents a rather less than ideal situation. It compels you to keep looking everywhere for something you would like to belong to. And mostly not finding it.
Because, unfortunately, perfection is not possible. Yet there are those who continue to seek it. But then, seeking perfection is merely another facet of not really wishing to belong.
One additional thing regarding this other side of the coin. My favorite piece of literature, and the one which perfectly frames this attitude, is Kafka’s short story “A Hunger Artist.”
FWIW, I take almost all my ideas about life from fictional works rather than scholarly works. I find them to be far more honest.
Bless you, brother. You are an inspiration.
Great comment. You are so right — suicide is not a reversible decision. And God bless you too.
Your humility is beautiful Seamus.
As we say in Australia: Good onya mate.
Beautiful.Thank you.
This post is deceitful spin in that what the Canadian government has done , against the wishes of many profit seeking moralizers and vested interests , is remove its snout from the right to choose death battle and to leave this now pointless existence where humanity has become just another commodity. if you favor the right to refuse vaccination and the rights of women to decide whether or not to terminate an unwanted pregnancy , logically the right to ends ones life should be a personal choice regardless of the reason.
There’s a big difference between letting someone have the freedom to make the choice on their own and having the government encourage it and offer to help accomplish it conveniently.
Exactly. And then have their “agents”…therapists…help them in encouraging it.
The same therapists encourage their customers to take their shots , wear masks. These are not agents of government but business people trying to maximize profits . You are pinning the tail on the wrong donkey ?
Ending ones life in Canada is a personal choice initiated by an individual . Neither you or Mr Hayen seem to understand how it works and are hectoring for more authoritarian edicts making suicide a crime once again ! . A majority of Canadians favor assisted suicide , abortion , and forced vaccinations according to numerous polls across the political spectrum ?
I agree. Prohibition of assisted suicide can be justified on policy grounds.Also I think if a person really wants to kill themselves, they will generally be able to do it.
Do you trust them Jim?
I do not and that’s why in March 2020 I did not believe them-that there was a pandemic and that’s why I did not get the jab.
I trust government to always attempt to increase its power over the citizenry and I trust the corporations that control government globally these days to always attempt to maximize profits .
Why didn’t you believe them? I think you are right because I find the statements of the rulers in the Weffy West generally devoid of sense and logic and because they shut down people who challenged the narrative…but can you give me any info about why you disbelieved? Was it anything to do with the facts and figures/ lack of meaningful facts and figures?
Kurt Vonnegut foresaw this over 50 years ago in the short story Welcome to the Monkey House. To reduce overpopulation, people were encouraged to go to “ethical suicide parlors” where “hostesses” would off them.
The irony and sarcasm was wonderful then , but today it is not recognized as such by internet educated I-Phone idiots ?
The movie Soylent Green also presented it quite nicely.
OT:
This story about the British Museum having things stolen.
Date range given?
Have a guess how many years between those 2 dates? (Well between the start of those 2 centuries)
3300
Its so transparent its hilarious.
They tell you in every story they are lying
Did the story say how many artifacts were stolen? After all, there could have been one artifact from the 15th century BC and one artifact from the 19th century AD.
Errrr, what has that got to do with it?
You are a spook (by that in mean someone who does what his masters say, and we know what that means sometimes eh? Nudge nudge wink wink.
Go away Howard, you utterly boring wank
I’m curious why the number of artifacts stolen has nothing “to do with it.”
Thieves stole things that British Museum has stolen from all over the world. Naughty naughty boys.
Not humility, which we should all have in healthy proportion but HUMILIATION, depression and hopelessness.
Yeah,, yeah, I goofed…”sue me, sue me, shoot bullets through me…” I AM human after all, this is not a product of ChatGPT
Thanks Todd. This one hit home hard and fast. My son experienced schitzophrenia for 7 years (that I know of) and of the 5 or so “Others” 2 were highly malignant to him and me. After 2 sections and 4 years of gradually moving to some independance through halfway houses and massive support and slowly attenuating the medical load he is currently dong well. Or at least OK. Sometimes there’s behaviour or a facial expresion that scares the crap out of us, is he regressing? Have the difficult circumstances of putting a life back together overwhelmed him? Do I step up or step back? Who the fuck do I call? But shit it’s just our life in the end. Through it all my mantra is “He’s not dead, He’s not dead” I do not know how many points on this long journey he, or one of the other shits he… Read more »
Schizophrenia is a mysterious condition, although science, again, believes it has it figured out. I do not know enough about its complications to make full comment, but I will say more than likely if your son lived in a primal culture, or lived thousands of years ago, he probably would have been the village medicine man. Ostracized nonetheless, but of importance to the tribe.
Are you familiar with Dr. Bentall’s work? (Sorry this article is in The Guardian! Oh what sacrilege!)
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2021/sep/29/richard-bentall-the-doctor-who-lost-his-brother-then-revolutionised-psychology
I hadn’t heard of Bentall before and I only skimmed the article. As soon as it treats “mental illness” as a thing (third paragraph), it’s showing the incurable signs and symptoms of the same old disease. Hence my diagnosis. It’s just psychiatry trying to reinvent itself again. “There’s a revolution”, said Laing 60 years ago. I think Laing knew he was engaging in a wishful flight of fancy, but there were others with lesser insight into the pervasive condition who might have believed him. Perhaps the Lord will provide with a therapeutic miracle, but in the meantime they shouldn’t be allowed unsupervised access to matches and sharp objects. But who will supervise the supervisors? — R.D. Laing – The Politics of Experience (1967) From Chapter 5: The Schizophrenic Experience p.p. 100-01 There is no such “condition” as “schizophrenia”, but the label is a social fact and the social fact a… Read more »
You say you only skimmed the article. Why not read the whole thing a bit more carefully? I don’t think you and Todd are that far apart. And whether mental illnesses are real or just labels, certainly the “treatments” (whether talking therapies, psychoanalysis, medication or even hospitalization) are less permanent and less — shall we say? — debilitating than encouraging a person to kill themselves, with a friendly hand from the doctor and the government.
It’s a shibboleth – one of the key the signs and symptoms – and the writing on the wall. If you want to know why the notion of “mental illness” functions as a shibboleth, read Szasz’s preface to The Myth of Mental Illness – link posted below.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shibboleth
A shibboleth is any custom or tradition, usually a choice of phrasing or even a single word, that distinguishes one group of people from another. Shibboleths have been used throughout history in many societies as passwords, simple ways of self-identification, signaling loyalty and affinity, maintaining traditional segregation, or protecting from real or perceived threats.
Thanks , Yes I am aware of the shamanic work with so called psychoses, we explored the possibilities when there was lucidity but he wants to be “Normal” so it was a resounding no at every point and consent is paramount in that world…so we wait…he will find his way. However I am grateful for the link and the thoughts.
The best way to avoid being labelled as a schizophrenic to become a politician or a billionaire.
Re: Who do I call?
The first rule is that nobody “knows” anything. The second is that the closer we get to truly knowing something, the more we realise how far away we are. Consequently, there are no “experts”; anybody who claims to be an expert is a charlatan; and that includes the entire psychiatric industry.
My suggestion is to start with your own voyage. For me it involved reading a wide range of books. The top of the list would include:
– William James – The Varieties of Religious Experience
– Laing – The Politics of Experience
– Grof – The Stormy Search for the Self
– Masson – Against Therapy
– Duncan, Miller, Sparks – The Heroic Client
– Roy Porter – Madness: A Brief History
– Szasz – Preface to The Myth of Mental Illness (link below; the book itself doesn’t add much)
https://www.szasz.com/Szasz50newpreface.pdf
https://www.szasz.com
Thanks for the list and the previous reply which resonates with me. James, Laing and Grof I have and have read but the others I am unfamiliar with. I am becoming more convinced that this kind of hallucinatory experience is valid and has use and that it is the terror of being “Unhinged” and “Different. In an unnavigable landscape” brings on the terror behaviours and violence. We just dont have anything in the system that addresses this, though it is known. There are groups like Hearing Voices that help one another to pioneer ways of living without medication and i have spoken with some very brave peole there but my son is not willing to be reday for such a step. Like I said before he will come to his own way and I must trust that whilst building a new relationship with him at his speed. Thanks again
Masson argues that psychotherapy as a delivered service is fundamentally flawed – and he presents a number of horror stories in support of that argument. I tend to agree with him on this, but there are a few counter arguments which he doesn’t present. For instance, people need to believe in the possibility of something working – and it’s far better to believe in psychotherapy than psychiatric drugs. Also, people can find their own solution during the course of organised therapy – and it’s possible that the therapist helps along the way. Heroic Client presents the evidence that the medicalised, diagnostic process doesn’t work – whether the treatment includes drugs or therapy – though it suggests that “client-directed” therapy may work. The book also includes a four-page essay by Ronald Bassman. I’ve not found the specific essay online, but there are similar articles at the links below. I’ve not read… Read more »
Gosh I am struck by the similarities between your case and the one I describe in my own comment here.
My loved one was 22 in 1971 when he became severely ill with hallucinations and physical symptoms. He was not given ECT or IST however. He was very humanely treated with drugs and psychotherapy which I believe saved his life.
I would love to know more about your experience. Comparison of symptoms, treatment and outcome in these two quite similar cases (in terms of age and time-period) might be so helpful don’t you think?
The history is that of Ronald Bassman. He’s quite well known. If “Peter” were to contact him directly, I assume he would reply.
BTW: I don’t believe a word of your “story”.
What a strange and emotionally aggressive response!
You know nothing about me other than I reached out to you thinking you had a life experience in common with someone I love. My loved one’s experience is quite a recognized trajectory of “mental illness”. He was never diagnosed with schizophrenia as such because he never suffered another full blown episode, but his symptoms fall under the banner of “schizophrenic” type symptoms. Millions of people go through these symptoms. Why would you arbitrarily decide not to believe it in this case? Quite odd.
This is a highly skeptical site – suspecting that people might be frauds is par for the course.
I read the linked article. Wow it does seem as if my loved one was very lucky or Mr B was very unfortunate, or maybe both. However I wish he had described his symptoms. I don’t feel I can evaluate his treatment and diagnosis unless I know how “ill” he was prior to being hospitalized. As he admits in the article some people with a “schizophrenic” diagnosis are severely impaired, unable to interact with others, catatonic, violent, self-harming, feces-smearing. I would like to know where on the spectrum of “schizophrenia” Mr B was when admitted as it would help put his treatment in the correct context.
Bassman doesn’t believe in “diagnosis”. He’ll use the term merely to get the article published in Psychology Today.
Ok they read all the books, but they still cant find the answers.
The following is Szasz accusing Laing of being a fraud. My view is that Laing was selected by Tavistock for the role; he was trapped within the system; and they would have put him away if he’d deviated too far. Consequently, I think he went as far as he reasonably could have gone. — From the Preface to The Myth of Mental Illness (see above for link) In 1967, my efforts to undermine the moral legitimacy of the alliance of psychiatry and the state suffered a serious blow: the creation of the antipsychiatry movement by David Cooper (1931–1986) and Ronald D. Laing (1927–1989). Instead of advocating the abolition of Institutional Psychiatry, they sought to replace it with their own brand of psychiatry, which they called “Anti-Psychiatry.” By means of this dramatic misnomer, they attracted attention to themselves and deflected attention from what they did, which included coercions and excuses based… Read more »
“Clearly from a religious or spiritual perspective, suicide is a bad move”
‘Getting Rid of the Useless Eaters’ is a core value of the conservative right, i.e. the Religious Conservative Right!
to pretend and dare say otherwise is the ‘Work of Charlatans’
There is corruption everywhere, even in religion (you dare say???)
Huh? What are you taking about?
Nothing considered spiritual or religious can be defined as “clear” ? Getting rid of Useless Eaters , definition required , may be the only act that will allow humanity to continue to exist ? Many of our elites and leaders are “clearly” mentally ill and dangerous and must be gotten rid of if humanity is to continue ?
I have to disagree with you. As much as I dislike the Religious Conservative Right – the so-called “Silent Majority” – I think they, of all religious people, are the very least likely to label anyone as a “useless eater.”
This is because of their obsession with saving “non-believers.”
Castreau
Castreau is an evil lunatic. Unfortunately he is too useful to the banksters and will not be offered medically assisted suicide.
I think we know where this is going. If today the state “allows” death, tomorrow it will “encourage” death; and the day after tomorrow it will “mandate” death.
The idea, as old as humanity, is to get the ball rolling with a kind and gentle nudge. And once the ball is in motion, it will be next to impossible to stop.
And with the current state of the culture, which will get worse, people will line up for the lethal injection.
I suspect that there are people who will line up for it knowing that is lethal.
I suspect that there are people who will line up for it knowing (on some sub-surface level that they scarcely dare conciously admit) that it is lethal, rationalizing the mandates and requirements as ways of absolving themselves of responsibility for committing suicide, the result of having chosen poorly.
Having seen several of my life long friends choose assisted suicide when racked by cancer and multiple sclerosis die peacefully in a hospital room surrounded by their loved ones . I hope to still be able to choose that option when my health fails , as it surely will . Despite the wishes of a misinformed ideologue like yourself , who possibly resent the lose of potential customers to whom you could feed expensive drugs and bad advice while they suffer ?
WE ALL?
IMPOSSIBLE TO STOP?
Oh do fuck off back to your nans, howard
Gosh, I’m developing a following here on OffG. (My masters will be so happy!)
I predict an enormous increase in suicide though unrecorded as such in the future to hide the fact and sell the decline
Yep, I agree.