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Numbed by Numbers on the Way to the Digital Palace

Edward Curtin

“But yet mathematical certainty is after all, something insufferable. Twice two makes four seems to me simply a piece of insolence. Twice two makes four is a pert coxcomb who stands with arms akimbo barring your path and spitting. I admit that twice two makes four is an excellent thing, but if we are to give everything its due, twice two makes five is sometimes a very charming thing too.”
Fyodor Dostoevsky, Notes from the Underground

Everybody knows that 2 + 2 = 4 since 4 = 2 + 2.  They know that excellent thing with certainty but generally fail to appreciate the charming nature of 2 + 2 = 5.

Tautologies are usually preferred to choices that seem to contradict the “laws of nature.”  Mind-forged manacles are popular because freedom from the laws of nature, while desired, is feared.  It suggests that liberty is a fundamental existential truth.

Don’t get me wrong, I can count.  I am drinking my second cup of coffee.  Number one has disappeared down my throat, but the second coffee tastes fine.  It is real and still exists. The first is just an abstraction now – number 1 – a simple vertical line on the page.

We are pissing our lives away on abstractions, forgetting that notation is a system of symbols that direct us to what they intend.  The key is to grasp what is intended.  The cognitive construction of the number system is a useful tool, but when it is pushed as the essential tool to grasp the meaning of life it has become a tool of control.  That is the case today.

The Internet and digital media are the greatest propaganda tools ever invented.  They have come to us on the wings of numbers.  They are insidious in the extreme,  as the etymology of “insidious” tells us – Latin, insidere, to sit on, occupy – for over the last few decades they have acted as an invading army occupying our minds with numbers in a cunning attempt to mathematize our lives for techno-scientific, financialized neo-liberal capitalist purposes.  To prepare us for the Great Reset when people and machines will be indistinguishable, Artificial Intelligence (AI), 5-G ultra microwaves, and Agenda 2030 will be fully established, and when human life has become part of The Internet of Things.

That, at least, is what the builders of the new Crystal Palace intend.  At the moment, their Digital Palace seems like a stone wall that is here to stay, but as Fyodor has said, people are strange creatures and will sometimes refuse to be reconciled to the impossibility of “stone walls if it disgusts you to be reconciled to it.”  I am disgusted.

The construction of the Digital Palace is the long goal that has been underway for decades.  To erase lived time and space, flesh and blood humans, and by transfixing people with numbers, to create an abstract and ephemeral reality through a constantly evoked sense of emergency.  Living the machine/Internet life would never be acceptable if people had not been subjected to an onslaught of numbers/statistics/data that has accustomed them to think like computers.

The great Jacques Ellul made it clear in his classic work, Propaganda, that propaganda is much more than the waving of a magic wand and lying, although it is that.  It is a long process.  He writes [emphasis added]:

It is based on slow, constant impregnation. It creates convictions and compliance through imperceptible influences that are effective only by continuous repetition. It must create a complete environment for the individual, one from which he never emerges. And to prevent him from finding external points of reference, it protects him by censoring everything that might come in from the outside. The slow building up of reflexes and myths, of psychological environment and prejudices, is not a stimulus that disappears quickly…

The mathematization of our thinking has been the essential first step in addicting people to the internet complex where mind-control is so effective.  I say first step, yet it has been concomitantly accompanied by daily litanies of lies about world events through what Ray McGovern aptly terms the Military-Industrial-Congressional-Media-Academia-Think-Tank complex (MICIMATT).

In his usually masterful way, the great journalist John Pilger has recently pointed out so many of those grotesque lies about US wars of aggression around the world.  Their numbers are legion, but not the kind of numbers you will find in the mainstream media.  We are drowning in lies and numbers produced by a nihilistic elite in love with power, money, mayhem, and murder.

Twenty or so years ago a massive push was organized to give prime emphasis throughout the educational system to what is termed STEM subjects – science, technology, engineering, and mathematics.  This has been implemented at the expense of subjects that have traditionally been associated with the liberal arts – philosophy, history, literature, art, music, etc., subjects that introduce students to thinking in the widest and deepest ways.

It is no accident that instrumental logic has replaced deep thought for so many people and the poets have been replaced by intellectual pimps.  The emphasis on STEM subjects has paralleled the rise of the Internet with its drumbeat of numbers, statistics, and data.  Let me offer just a few examples, which may seem innocuous unless seen in their larger context.

  • The switch from analog to digital clocks and watches and their omnipresence.
  • Referring to the week as 24/7 and the writing of dates as numbers such as 08/30/2023.
  • The use-by-date numbers on all products, soon to be applied to commoditized people.
  • The use of the term 9/11 to refer to the events of September 11, 2001.
  • The listing by numbers of the best colleges, mascara, underwear, corkscrews, etc.
  • The hilarious dating of the earth’s age to the current 4.4 billion as if that meant anything to anyone.
  • The computer generated weather forecasts with their 10 and 30 day forecasts with precise numerical percentages for rain, snow, etc.
  • The analytics that dominate the world of sports, the posting of numbers for everything from the speed a ball leaves a baseball bat, a tennis ball a racket, and in golf the speed, height, curve, apex, carry, and launch angle when a ball is driven – all these numbers changing as a computer measures the ball in flight.
  • The “helpful” messages on restaurant receipts where the tips are recorded in descending order and exactitude from 18% to 20% to 25%.
  • Manipulated statistics for everything under the sun, such as Covid cases and deaths, Ukrainian military casualties, unemployment numbers, etc.
  • 6 feet social distancing and 15 days to flatten the curve – real science

It is easy for one to add to this small list of the use of numbers.  They are everywhere and are intended to be – in people’s heads, as the saying goes.  They are intended to induce mass production of thought and behavior that is numb and that tranquilizes real thought and oppositional action.  The more this is so, the more the schooling institutions will loudly announce how well they are teaching “critical thinking” skills.  All our institutions have become complicit in 24/7 capitalism and the mind-control of deep-state forces.

In his brilliant new book, Scorched Earth: Beyond the Digital Age to a Post-Capitalist World, Jonathan Crary, sums it up nicely: “One of the foremost achievements of the so-called knowledge economy is the mass production of ignorance, stupidity, and hatefulness. . . . programmed unintelligibility and duplicity.”

The reality of everyday life used to revolve around our bodies in place and time.  Now that time and place have been jumbled, it revolves for so many around the cell phones in which people live a weird disembodied existence. Sensory life is being annihilated.  This is the era of virtual people, shadows of shadows, abstractions upon screens.  Our connections to nature, to the seasons, to the sacred ways of our ancestors are being discarded for the machine life in the Digital Palace.

Dostoevsky’s underground man wasn’t playing a silly game when he suggested that 2 + 2 = 5.  He was saying that free will is more important than reason which just satisfies the rational side of our nature.  Without it we are sub-human, machines in a vast prison of our own making.  His words are more important today than when he wrote them in 1864, the time of The Crystal Palace with its promotion of the Industrial Revolution’s technological marvels.  Today’s Digital Palace marks a far greater threat to our humanity, and so his words are worth attending to:

…man everywhere and at all times, whoever he may be, has preferred to act as he chose and not in the least as his reason and advantage dictated. And one may choose what is contrary to one’s interests, and sometimes one positively ought (that is my idea). One’s own free unfettered choice, one’s own caprice, however wild it may be, one’s own fancy worked up at times to frenzy – that is that ‘most advantageous advantage” which we have overlooked, which comes under no classification and against which all systems and theories are continually being shattered to atoms. And how do these wiseacres know that man wants a normal, virtuous choice? What man wants is simply independent choice, whatever that independence may cost and wherever it may lead. And choice, of course, the devil only knows what choice.

And if you are apt to raise a finger in warning about such wild advice about existential freedom, let Dostoevsky ask you this rhetorical question about the reasonable and logical ones: “Have you noticed that it is the most civilized gentlemen who have been the subtlest slaughterers, to whom the Attilas and Stenka Razins could not hold a candle, and if they are not so conspicuous as the Attilas and Stenka Razins it is because they are so often met with, are so ordinary and have become so familiar to us.”

As familiar as numbers.

Edward Curtin is an independent writer whose work has appeared widely over many years. His website is edwardcurtin.com and his new book is Seeking Truth in a Country of Lies.

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Vagabard
Vagabard
Sep 5, 2023 7:13 PM

A few more numbers (less numbing, I would hope):

Since the start of the Ukrainian ‘Counter-offensive’ (in name only), some 66,000 Ukrainian soldiers have perished. Over a period of roughly 3 months.

Using the proverbial back of an envelope, that makes 22,000 killed per month. Or roughly 730 people a day.

People (like you and me), who presumably could have lived other, better, more productive lives, given half a chance:

https://www.rt.com/russia/582394-shoigu-estimates-ukrainian-counteroffensive/

The Coming Revolution
The Coming Revolution
Sep 4, 2023 11:34 PM

I think the author is right when he criticizes “instrumental logic” also known as “formal logic”. Formal logic has its specific applications in science of course; however, I sense the author is pointing at the use of formal logic in cases in which it is not indicated, particularly when manipulating forms heavy of historical content. For instance, when we assert that “bolshevism is the enemy of / financed by capitalism”, we are committing that kind of misuse, i.e. manipulating heavy historical contents as if we would with empty forms. Also, I just learned that Russia’s and Turkey’s bilateral trade had increased 80% in 2022. What? Exactly. Learned that from Putin himself who today met Erdogan in Moscow. Turkey, a NATO member, and Russia almost doubled their trade volume in the middle of the European crisis opposing Russia and NATO. Did we expect no trade whatsoever between the two? It is because… Read more »

Thomas L Frey
Thomas L Frey
Sep 5, 2023 3:44 PM

If you want to be successful in life, observe the masses and do the opposite.
Free Will is still real for people that haven’t already sold their soul to the system.

Vagabard
Vagabard
Sep 5, 2023 8:08 PM

“… Dostoevsky’s view on free will at that time was rather a reaction against Russian social reformers in the 1860s …” Doestoevsky did react against the “social reformers'” dialectical materialism, and where it would inevitably lead (ie the horrors of the 20th century). But not against ‘causal laws’ per se. Indeed he predicted the future, based on what he observed of current events/trends. Accurately, it would seem, being sensitive to cause and effect. Regarded by some (perhaps legitimately) as a far-sighted prophet e.g. Nicolas Zernov (as in his “Three Russian Prophets“)… https://archive.org/details/threerussianprop1973zern … he foresaw the horrors of the 20th century. Where Russia was heading. As ultimately played out under Leninist, Stalinist dictatorships. And as predicted in his novels “The Devils” about a group of revolutionaries (that ultimately devour one another) and as predicted in “The Brothers Karamazov” (the parricidal ‘Smerdyakov’ being a forerunner of Stalin). He, of course, had… Read more »

The Coming Revolution
The Coming Revolution
Sep 6, 2023 1:47 PM
Reply to  Vagabard

Thanks for the reference and the information. Yes, he was a visionary and a prophet, recognised as such even in some Stalinist circles. By the way, I was referring above to Dostoevsky’s character, “the underground man”, not to the author; my mistake, although one can reasonably assume that the character’s ideas reflect the author’s. But that Dostoevsky had a “power of recognizing and representing the dynamics of a future social, moral and psychological evolution from germs of something barely beginning (Lukács)” doesn’t prove our future is predetermined. One might predict general trends of a society (for instance there were not few who predicted that Germany after 1918 would rise again and demand reparations for the injustices of Versailles, by force if necessary; in fact there were no lack of sagacious minds in the past centuries in the political and diplomatic spheres who, considering the balance of powers among countries and… Read more »

Vagabard
Vagabard
Sep 7, 2023 9:37 AM

I do recall that Dostoevsky was perpetually in debt, a product of his predilection to gambling, so any aversion to cold hard numbers may also have some root in that. I’d also agree that Dostoevsky’s near-death experience was particularly exceptional. Not only in the fact that he faced what appeared, and what to most would have seemed to be, a certain inevitable death, but also the fact that he had the writer’s capacity to describe such a survival experience to the benefit of posterity. Truly exceptional. Probably unsurpassed. Not something that can be engineered in a test tube. Nevertheless, the Soviet Union, as a whole, was, in a sense, the outworkings of “dialectical materialism” given its philosophical chance on the world’s stage. So, as regards judging the fruits of such a philosophy on a human level, I believe that one can use the history of the Soviet Union as a… Read more »

Vagabard
Vagabard
Sep 7, 2023 9:59 AM

A reply in pending, if it survives the execution experience to tell the tale …

The Coming Revolution
The Coming Revolution
Sep 8, 2023 11:45 PM
Reply to  Vagabard

Agree. Nothing can justify the horrors of the purges and gulags, not a State against the individual, not even a social revolution, specially not a social revolution. Many who dedicate a personality cult to Stalin have to do a self-critique and have a lot to answer for; I couldn’t find any serious attempt. I just can’t seem to attribute those horrors to the application of the dialectical materialism, but I don’t have as yet an argument to prove that assertion. In the heat of action, one just reacts to the events, despite any theoretical consideration. A combination of events made it possible for the Bolsheviks to accede power; then historical context imposed itself imperiously on how the Bolsheviks responded. Then we had Lenin, Trotsky and Stalin. One thing we sure can do is draw all the lessons we cold from that episode, and one lesson is clear: Any attempt to… Read more »

Vagabard
Vagabard
Sep 4, 2023 7:54 PM

The trick, of course, is to understand both Dostoevsky and numbers. Simultaneously, though it may require effort beyond the norm.

So yes, a ‘numbers palace’. A ‘Digitopolis’ per se. And a way/road to Digitopolis. All the ingredients for a secularized “Pilgrims Progress”.

Though such a road may be blocked by such enemies as ‘Officer Shrift’, the ‘Whether Man’, the Doldrums and some kinda gelatinous creature whose name I forget, among others. Nevertheless, all such good & worthwhile stories have happy endings. So maybe check it out. ‘The Phantom Tollbooth’. A happy ending is never amiss:

The Phantom Tollbooth (1970)
https://archive.org/details/the-phantom-tollbooth-1970-dvdrip-x-264-ac-3-i-cmal

Penelope
Penelope
Sep 4, 2023 7:39 PM

Abandonment of logic & epistemology in the name of asserting “free will” or a grasp of the nature of reality isn’t metaphysics. It’s fantasy. The alternative to tyranny is not whim.

Neither numbers nor cause & effect constitute tyranny. Appalling drivel.

Vagabard
Vagabard
Sep 4, 2023 8:17 PM
Reply to  Penelope

Amen, sister.

My own latent, nascent, prescient thoughts on the subject may also emerge from the ignominy of ‘pending’ at some later date yet to be determined in the future (watch out for late-emerging adjacent posts) to grace the ever-fluctuating intellectual landscape… though never guaranteed due to unpredictable algorithms… controlled by numbers or by people…?

Will - Admin3
Admin
Will - Admin3
Sep 4, 2023 8:21 PM
Reply to  Vagabard

Let the idle chins wag, I say.

GR-Watch
GR-Watch
Sep 4, 2023 6:51 PM

suicide numbers:

“In 2020, there were 3139 deaths by suicide in Australia, about nine lives each day. It is the leading cause of death for Australians aged 15 to 44.”

i guess that’s a lot for a first world country with a population of nearly 27 million people.

The Coming Revolution
The Coming Revolution
Sep 4, 2023 12:12 PM

The anger of the author and his passionate rejection of the tyranny of Number is more than justified. Number has everywhere insidiously infiltrated our lives. Everything is measured, and nothing exists if it hasn’t some numbers associated with it, or nearly so. The first appearance of Number associated with concrete objects was to administer lucrative private property: How much do I owe, and how much it is owed to me; also the appearance of the State as the general arbiter in social conflict over lucrative private property brought with it the official use for Number. I’ve read (can’t remember exactly where) that within some “primitive” communities whose economy was based on sharing, gifts and counter-gifts, if you were given, say, three fishes one day, then if you gave back three of something as a sign of gratitude, you were looked at in a very angry way; it was an offense,… Read more »

peter mcloughlin
peter mcloughlin
Sep 4, 2023 11:51 AM

“The mathematization of our thinking has been the essential first step in addicting people to the internet complex where mind-control is so effective. 
This process can be challenged by a simple syllogism: everyone eventually gets the war they are trying to avoid; everyone wants to avoid WWIII; so, logically that is the fate that awaits us. Paradoxically, the only way of avoiding it is to accept it. Tragically, and historically, empires have all retreated into their teleological convert zones – convincing themselves they can never lose. And it is a hard mind-set to break. Those who try to can find themselves silenced on internet platforms – including myself, for saying as much.   
https://patternofhistory.wordpress.com/

Clive Williams
Clive Williams
Sep 4, 2023 10:48 PM

Afraid not it’s Web Press.

Antonym
Antonym
Sep 4, 2023 7:33 AM

1+1 =< 3 .

1 man + 1 woman = family.

Brian Sides
Brian Sides
Sep 4, 2023 9:59 AM
Reply to  Antonym

2 – 3 = -1 So if I have 2 apples and I take away 3 apples I must be a magician Me thinks something does not add up If I create a computer model that attempts to model just a few of the very many variables of a problem. I add some data plus a few set points based on even less data plus a few formula. Then I take the worst case scenario. Plus I ignore my many previous wrong calculations. I don’t document my work or add any error checking to my code and call the whole thing a simulation. Then I must be Neil Ferguson If I take notice of such flaky predictions and ignore my own government department that had looked at the real data and concluded that it was Not a High Consequence Infections Disease due to LOW Mortality and then order a national… Read more »

DavidF
DavidF
Sep 4, 2023 10:57 AM
Reply to  Brian Sides

And you will be doing just what your paymasters tell you to do…..just like them.

Erik Nielsen
Erik Nielsen
Sep 4, 2023 11:38 AM
Reply to  Brian Sides

The difference is synthetic math and organic math.

Clive Williams
Clive Williams
Sep 5, 2023 1:50 AM
Reply to  Erik Nielsen

Sorry for being British lol! No it isn’t Erik you are too if are not then who are you other than EKN free dictionary Netherlands in Kentucky US…DD double Dutch Lol! Watch it, you can’t fool us Northern Folk..well you can but Iam a BRG racing car driver none robotic anything really.

Clive Williams
Clive Williams
Sep 5, 2023 1:16 AM
Reply to  Brian Sides

Rotten. Left is Mother Right is Pop.

niko
niko
Sep 4, 2023 4:29 AM

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niko
niko
Sep 4, 2023 4:27 AM

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les online
les online
Sep 4, 2023 4:27 AM

Officially – it was the cleverness of the US in engineering the Soviet Union interference in Afghanistan, and which got the Soviets quagmired in Afghanistan, which caused reverberations throughout the USSR, which caused the collapse of the Soviet Union…
But it was the people’s widespread refusal at home wot did it…
Refusal has a lot going for it, though mostly it’s not done consciously…

niko
niko
Sep 4, 2023 4:27 AM

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niko
niko
Sep 4, 2023 4:26 AM

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Erik Nielsen
Erik Nielsen
Sep 4, 2023 2:35 AM

In our case technology clearly create the need for it self, per design. You are lead into a ruse by deceit. By propaganda, by military psychological warfare techniques.

CIA has since 1948 worked on how you persuade and make people to do things contrary to their own interest, called psy-ops against an enemy, info-war, perception management.

The need for man to chose something which may be against his own interest and will, and that 2+2=5 is a key, is a CIA’s wet dream.

Man’s basic desire is to be independent. Independent enough to be able to defend his women, children and family, and society and country.

Clive Williams
Clive Williams
Sep 4, 2023 6:58 AM
Reply to  Erik Nielsen

We don’t have federal reservists Erik, stop faking it.

Erik Nielsen
Erik Nielsen
Sep 4, 2023 11:48 PM
Reply to  Clive Williams

I have the right to be among the resistance today.

les online
les online
Sep 4, 2023 12:54 AM

I’m forever wondering…
We dont hear much these days about the use of the teevee as a child pacifier, a child distractor – plonking down the very young in front of a teevee set so Mum can get on with her busy housework, or so she can to get “a bit of Peace”…
Many of us Oldies like to blame The Technology for the reluctances of the young, but The Technology would not be embraced were there no felt need for it…
Critics, especially the Dialectical sort, chatter about “Manufactured Needs” (knowing ‘The Science’ is on their side ?) – But “Does The Technology create the need for it, or does it cater to the need ?”

Joe Smith
Joe Smith
Sep 4, 2023 1:01 AM
Reply to  les online

I like how you used the intelligent “cater to” instead of the ignorant “cater for.”

Clive Williams
Clive Williams
Sep 4, 2023 3:06 AM
Reply to  Joe Smith

Me too, literally smacks of a We round up load of bollocks, excuse my french as they say.

Erik Nielsen
Erik Nielsen
Sep 4, 2023 11:44 AM
Reply to  les online

A question Science can spend billions of dollares to answer.

Veri Tas
Veri Tas
Sep 3, 2023 10:59 PM

The internet may be a great propaganda tool, though I’d say not greater than the TV or the print media; at least here we get to decide what we want to read or watch and we have a wide range of viewpoints to consider. The MSM all seem to be synchronised in their narrative – diversity, my foot! It’s the TV and today’s education system that have hypnotised and dumbed down the masses, breeding a dogged culture of fervent belief over independent thought and action.

Dostoevsky was right in saying free will (independence) is more important than reason, and people adhering rigidly to reason have simply lost touch with their feeling, their heart-based way of being, which makes them good candidates for psychopathy. Hence the observation that the most “civilised” (cerebral) people can often be the most subtlest of slaughterers.

Human values
Human values
Sep 3, 2023 11:11 PM
Reply to  Veri Tas

Every human has reason and conscience and they always work together, forming united wisdom.

Men shouldn’t separate what God has united.

Psychopaths are not reasonable people. There is no truth or logic in them. Their wit is instrumental and mechanistic, not wise.  

KiwiJoker
KiwiJoker
Sep 3, 2023 11:23 PM
Reply to  Human values

Psychopaths are completely reasonable and rational within the constructed logic of their limited mechanistic/technological paradigms.

What they aren’t is:

Compassionate.

Human values
Human values
Sep 5, 2023 12:42 AM
Reply to  KiwiJoker

Indeed, psychopathy means lack of compassion. But what does lack of compassion mean?

When the sense of knowing the difference between good and evil, right and wrong, is lost, there’s no reason, either.

False logic is just false, not logic at all. Only true logic is logic.  

Pilgrim Shadow
Pilgrim Shadow
Sep 4, 2023 1:23 AM
Reply to  Human values

Every human has reason and conscience and they always work together, forming united wisdom.

No, they don’t. There are 8 billion of us on this planet, and we have wildly disparate beliefs, interests, abilities, competencies, strategies etc.

Men shouldn’t separate what God has united.

“Shouldn’t,” perhaps, but they do.

Psychopaths are not reasonable people. There is no truth or logic in them. Their wit is instrumental and mechanistic, not wise. 

Psychopaths (and sociopaths) can be eminently reasonable. One can be perfectly reasonable, and use impeccable logic, but if one is arguing from false premises, or out of ignorance, can still reach wrong conclusions. Psychopaths, not relating from emotion, are generally extremely logical. Logic, however, can only take one so far.

Human values
Human values
Sep 5, 2023 12:54 AM
Reply to  Pilgrim Shadow

Reason and conscience are not the same thing as beliefs, interests, abilities, competencies, strategies etc. Reason is reason, conscience is conscience. With reason, we can know the difference between true and false. With conscience, we know the difference between good and evil.

Knowing the truth with our reason is good.

Knowing the good with our conscience is good.

All good is good.

This is pure logic, not the false logic that psychopaths have.

What on earth would make you think that Adolf Hitler, Ted Bundy, Pol Pot or any other example of a psychopath, were reasonable? Or logical? Good?

Think again.  

Pilgrim Shadow
Pilgrim Shadow
Sep 5, 2023 3:17 PM
Reply to  Human values

Reason and conscience are not the same thing as beliefs, interests, abilities, competencies, strategies etc. Reason is reason, conscience is conscience. With reason, we can know the difference between true and false. With conscience, we know the difference between good and evil. You miss the point/s, namely, that reason, or better, the ability to reason and reflect, is not bestowed equally amongst us humans, nor is reason itself always an accurate tool, as shown in the Monty Python clip I posted earlier. I’d suggest that spiritual discernment coupled with experience, rather than conscience, allows us to know the difference between good and evil. What on earth would make you think that Adolf Hitler, Ted Bundy, Pol Pot or any other example of a psychopath, were reasonable? Or logical? Good? Again, you missed the point, which is that psychopaths are fully capable of using reason and logic, and that reason and… Read more »

Human values
Human values
Sep 6, 2023 3:19 PM
Reply to  Pilgrim Shadow

Replacing the abilities of reason and conscience inherent in every human being with ”spiritual discernment coupled with experience” makes human wisdom inherent in everyone into a vague mature idea of some developed individuals who have accumulated experiences. My argument is that all human beings are endowed with the abilities of reason and conscience since birth, and every child knows what is good and what is not good even when they don’t have words to describe those things or experiences with spiritual discernment, whatever that means. True reason means logic. Children are extremely logical, for example, when they learn language. Unreasonableness is taught by some adults, while they claim that unreasonableness is reasonable. They may abuse their children and say it’s reasonable, good and just. But it isn’t. Adults lie a lot. Logic can only deal with true statements and wise, good actions. There is nothing wise or logical in the… Read more »

susan mullen
susan mullen
Sep 3, 2023 10:54 PM

As someone said, if you’re willing to wait a generation, you can quietly overthrow a country. For example, you start by taking control of schools and text books. Parents had no idea this was happening. By the time they found out, it was too late.

TheBurningHouse
TheBurningHouse
Sep 3, 2023 10:39 PM

I would like to point out how A.I. is quickly replacing the Humanities. Has anyone else noticed this?

Erik Nielsen
Erik Nielsen
Sep 4, 2023 2:37 AM

The sheep love it so……………

George Mc
George Mc
Sep 3, 2023 9:52 PM
turesankara
turesankara
Sep 3, 2023 9:01 PM

There is no Sanctuary. So run, Logan. Run!

Klaus Schwab WEF
“The Great Reset is in full effect.”

“So you best protect ya neck.” — Wu Tang Clan

#donteatthebugs

KiwiJoker
KiwiJoker
Sep 3, 2023 8:34 PM

Numbers are used for quantity.

Quality needs no numbers.

Bryan
Bryan
Sep 3, 2023 7:43 PM

So if the “Digital Palace” is so fucking bad, why did we not decamp to smaller more localised economic communities years ago? It ain’t that fucking bad yet, is it? We just like to think that the species rejection of embodied life-affirmation and social-solidarity has only just recently been infected by ‘them’ – that’s pure propaganda. Propaganda is a manipulation of psychologic symbols having goals of which the listener is not conscious. Propaganda is a technique; grammar is a technique; logic is a technique; rhetoric is a technique of persuasion; the outcome of which is globalisation. Ellul’s original analysis of the then three propaganda blocs is outmoded. The three have become one. Propaganda is now coeval and coextensive with neoliberalised anthropogenesis. Ergo: anthropogenesis is totalised personalised propaganda. In every diurnal period, the supermajority of the entire species is entrained to ‘grow the global economy’; which we do, even though it… Read more »

Howard
Howard
Sep 3, 2023 10:04 PM
Reply to  Bryan

Localization is not feasible everywhere. To be successful on any level, it must be based on an agreed upon decision to stop watching network TV. The real problem is not propaganda stuffed into our minds but ideas plucked from our collective mind and filtered into a propagandic brew which is then fed back to us.

No idea is or ever can be as strong as the ideas we ourselves concoct. Our friends and neighbors are not so much the victims of propaganda as they are its origin.

Bryan
Bryan
Sep 4, 2023 11:13 AM
Reply to  Howard

Localisation is not possible? We are all localised as socialised and culturally situated. We are also culturally generated in that we agree in principle to the institutional “Form of Life” we are born into as was historically previously agreed upon (nomos). The whole ethos of Kant’s infamous declaration sapere aude (“dare to know”) was to reject the mediaeval institutional framework (mostly of the church state) and begin the rational institutions of science, industry, economics, secular government (Montesquieu’s “separation of powers”) and so on (he refrained from citing ‘democracy’ because of the autocratic society he was in, but you get the drift.) So, if this was the “enlightenment declaration” of mathematical rationality (“All is for the best in the best of all possible worlds”) — when will the ‘enlightenment’ actually begin? We agree (in principle) with globalisation as socially instituted and culturally created in order to create or enjoy a higher… Read more »

Bryan
Bryan
Sep 4, 2023 11:24 AM
Reply to  Bryan

BTW: I forgot to say that the propaganda I’m talking about is ancient. It began before it was codified at least two millennia ago. Long before mass media, long before even print media — long before media (if media are the extension of the senses and techniques of the body.) We, in the very broades terms, rejected physiology millennia ago and created a new logic, a new grammar, and a new rhetoric of separateness which is probly coeval with civilisation itself. Then, the Axial Age: but we never moved one iota from nature. Time to return to life as a deconstruction of the mind, before the mind deconstructs us.

Erik Nielsen
Erik Nielsen
Sep 4, 2023 11:52 AM
Reply to  Bryan

Small communities makes people narrow minded. Small companies always try to save on salaries and human obligations. More quarrels, more abuse. In major companies you are more sure to get your paycheck. Just to mention a few reasons why we prefer big.

Bryan
Bryan
Sep 4, 2023 12:11 PM
Reply to  Erik Nielsen

Is that a defence of globalisation? Human obligations? Are we obliged to actively destroy the fertility of the earth and leave future generations to repair our collective death instinct? I seriously fucking hope not.

All life supports life except us. Living is a collective enterprise, We can do it economically and destructively or ecologically and creatively. You don’t get bigger than that!

Erik Nielsen
Erik Nielsen
Sep 4, 2023 11:51 PM
Reply to  Bryan

I agree. But when it comes to comfort and security, just saying people chose the lowest fence.

sandy
sandy
Sep 3, 2023 6:35 PM

A bad example. The use of numbers that do not accurately depict what they are supposed to depict is the more pertinent example of propaganda. The number two, in it’s raw existential state, times another raw 2, does equal four. However, when the US elite, the “maintsream”, the Establishment elite, say there were only four civilian deaths in the Iraq War (which was not a war, it was a US invasion, slaughter and occupation for the Cheney Basement Council to divy up the oil fields to US “national interests”, BigOil clients) when there were actually over half a million civilian deaths (John Hopkins+), this is propaganda. I take offense to the “four” example because of Orwell’s use of this in the torture of Smith in 1984, where the State’s double agent sellout torturer, keeps holding up 4 fingers demanding that Smith see 5. Here’s were Humanity must dither between fact… Read more »

Martin Usher
Martin Usher
Sep 3, 2023 9:14 PM
Reply to  sandy

The token ‘2’ is just our way of writing “the number that’s the successor to the number that’s the successor to zero”, a really unwieldy but logically correct way of stating what seems to most of us to be obvious.

Number theory is a branch of mathematics that turns the obvious into the extremely abstruse, in the process providing good eating for academics. Look it up. Also ponder that our Masters of the Universe, whoever or whatever they are, tend to have a more practical attitude to numbers — their world is dominated by the spreadsheet, relatively simple statistical anaylsis and interpolation (they’re primarily interested in the answer “Does it make a profit, and if so, how much?”).

The Coming Revolution
The Coming Revolution
Sep 3, 2023 10:06 PM
Reply to  Martin Usher

Thank heavens Number is much more than a string of figures on a Center Bank balance sheet. Ah, Number Theory; my preferred subject. Euclid, Euler, Gauss, Lagrange, Fermat, …

I can’t believe for a second that these, shall I say, adventures into the abstract world of Number and their patterns, can have anything whatsoever to do with power.

In a better world, in which humans have at last found our art de vivre on earth, shall these fascinating and mind strengthening excursions survive?

underground poet
underground poet
Sep 4, 2023 12:30 AM

We have a whole bunch of amusing zeros in gvt, together they don’t add up to anything in the end, but you put an adventuristic one in front of them, and now you are talkin real money.

moneycircus
moneycircus
Sep 3, 2023 5:42 PM

Pending

CJ Hopkins live on 21st Century Wire. Sound quality like he’s eating and talking at the same time, but interesting.

https://21stcenturywire.com/2023/09/03/episode-478-new-normal-tyranny-with-guest-c-j-hopkins/

Matt
Matt
Sep 3, 2023 4:34 PM

One of the earliest examples I can think of, of encouraging the practice of habituating numeration, of interest also in its own self-explanatory identification: 1. CONNECT-THE-DOTS Interesting some modern versions with thousands — clouds! — of numbers. 2. TIME ITSELF, not just the switch from analogue to digital, but what “face time” used to imply, including now archaic, and to some, no doubt, incomprehensible, Roman Numerals and sun dials. 3. WORLD WARS — Global conflict Perhaps, instead of chronological enumeration, it might help reduce belligerent belicosity if, rather than counting up, 1, 2 … [insert pregnant pause, of breathless, jaw-agape anticipation, here] we adopted the expression: The Last World War (for WWII) and reinstate “The Great War for Civilization” or “The War to End All Wars” although, they hardly seem to have been effective to that end in their original invokation. It seems magic words don’t help, or have lost… Read more »

lynch
lynch
Sep 3, 2023 3:45 PM

The Tesco Torys chairman who seems to be psychic who predicts the future has informed us that his staff will now wear body cams as broken Briton  💤  is dangerous for them to work in. Build back better surveillance under the torys is done under safety.
I first saw theses body cams on copper years ago, then recently on train guards.
They recorded everything every communication they have during the day.
Taxi’s, bus;s wankers on bikes wearing head cams, cameras everywhere.

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George Mc
George Mc
Sep 3, 2023 12:20 PM

More on perception management: https://www.rollingstone.com/tv-movies/tv-movie-features/winter-kills-quentin-tarantino-qanon-conspiracy-thriller-jeff-bridges-1234793940/ “Why ‘Winter Kills’ Is the Perfect Conspiracy Thriller for the QAnon Era Thanks to Quentin Tarantino, the batshit 1979 movie about Jeff Bridges investigating a JFK-like assassination plot returns to theaters. Its timing is perfect” The timing is indeed “perfect” for management of that rising awareness of the utter fraud of the entire media so glaringly obvious since 2020. “The ’70s were the perfect time to be paranoid ….” And what follows is a cutesy dismissal of all those “silly theories”: ·      “government-sanctioned assassinations here and abroad” ·      A “second-gunman … around dead presidents” ·      “elite secret societies pulling strings” ·      “an assassin-recruitment corporation” ·      “a CIA analyst on the run from agency goons” ·      “a cabal of industrialist fatcats in a plot to kill JFK” Of course “we know” that none of these things really happen! And here we have “the wildest conspiracy thriller of the Me Decade …. a… Read more »

lynch
lynch
Sep 3, 2023 3:48 PM
Reply to  George Mc

We was worried about MC,
Rumors on the forums was. youve gone in for a sex change op as you’ve been radicalized on line.

underground poet
underground poet
Sep 3, 2023 12:05 PM

The eye is the first circle just as numbers and math are the great equalizer.

George Mc
George Mc
Sep 3, 2023 9:28 AM

The Ellul quote is good but the process must also be related to a carefully nurtured sense of “we, the community”. And what that means in our atomised society is our “pop culture” centring on TV. As an example, So there I was “taking a break” from all this depressing reset shite and perusing this: https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-lists/worst-decisions-in-music-history-1234626744/ When I slammed up against this: No. 4: “Eric Clapton goes all-in on vaccine conspiracy nonsense” And a harsh light intruded on my weary yearning to just put my feet up. The fact that this entertainment industry – like every other aspect of the media – is another whore for the parasite class slaps me in the face. Indeed, it is precisely the entertainment industry that is the most suspect. As is confirmed by this: https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-news/elon-musk-boosts-antisemitic-propaganda-twitter-anti-defamation-league-1234817008/ Twitter, or X, has engaged in a hashtag campaign against the ADL. Well naturally they are not going… Read more »

Willem
Willem
Sep 3, 2023 10:14 AM
Reply to  George Mc

‘the genuine ones’

Truly one in a million. Easy to see, but never shown. Genuine ones have the luxury to entertain themselves and themselves only.

Whatever.

Genuine ones know how to find the meaning of life within themselves. And they have a world to explore as reference material to themselves. And that world is, in contrast to Disney’s expectations, not a small world. It needs a lifetime to be explored.

Genuine ones need others for comparison material, and not for building blocks (like pieces of Lego) to build something of what they are (like rock stars do). All the rest is nonsense.

Edwige
Edwige
Sep 3, 2023 10:44 AM
Reply to  George Mc

Rolling Stone is currently one of the worst rags out there (and it’s a crowded field). Here’s one of their worst, on child-trafficking after the film ‘Sound of Freedom’ came out: https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-news/sound-of-freedom-child-trafficking-experts-1234786352/ BTW the Fraud published something very similar. TBC I’ve not seen ‘Sound of Freedom’ and from what I’ve heard about the film it seems open to multiple criticisms – but not the ones made by Rolling Stone. It was a long time ago they published Carl Bernstein’s article on what we now know to call Operation Mockingbird. On a separate issue, TPTB have been repeating an operation they did on the word ‘woke’. They neutralised one of the alt-space’s strongest terms and tried to appropriate it for one of their own movements, making it a term of ridicule and contempt in the process. Well, they’re doing the same to ‘red pill’. ‘Red pill’ is becoming a term to… Read more »

George Mc
George Mc
Sep 3, 2023 11:50 AM
Reply to  Edwige

Yes indeed, that Rolling Stone item is the most repulsive ass-covering. So here’s a commentary, “Anti-trafficking experts”. The moment I see the word “experts” I smell a hideously stinking rat of gargantuan proportions. “Experts” is the all-purpose (and totally non-committal) label for a pseudo-authority that can be invoked with infinite portentousness. Though, to be sure, if challenged the media hacks could no doubt supply any number of actual names from the list of bought hacks. The movie “garnered mixed reviews, to say the least” – this is code for “Don’t go there!” The movie is criticised for “its self-serious tone” (it presumably should have been a light hearted romp!) “its star’s promotion of conspiracy theories” (of course! The ubiquitous mantra that just makes it all go away!) “and its dubious source material” (i.e. not ratified – or supplied – by the “proper authorities”) “The new movie offers a “false perception”… Read more »

George Mc
George Mc
Sep 3, 2023 1:07 PM
Reply to  Edwige

It seems that the anti-Sound of Freedom lobby have now a new song to sing. One Fabian Marta who was one of the crowd funders for the movie has been charged with a case of child kidnapping. The media are so gleeful about this that Marta’s relation to the film has been massively upgraded to the “Man behind ‘Sound of Freedom’” An awesomely devious and misleading manoeuvre, as seen in the title of this piece: https://www.thestatesman.com/world/who-is-fabian-marta-man-behind-sound-of-freedom-charged-with-child-kidnapping-1503208650.html The air of deception continues with this: “The precise circumstances leading to Marta’s apprehension remain shrouded in uncertainty. It’s important to note that, in Missouri, child kidnapping is categorized as a class A felony, indicating the gravity of the offense.” This is a familiar tool for misdirection. After admitting that “uncertainty”, the “gravity of the offense” is emphasised.   Naturally, that arbiter of “groovy youth culture”, Rolling Stone, gets in on the act: https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-news/sound-of-freedom-movie-donor-kidnapping-1234801061/ “‘Sound… Read more »

petunia petherington
petunia petherington
Sep 3, 2023 11:21 AM
Reply to  George Mc

Please explain what “genuine Nazism” is?

George Mc
George Mc
Sep 3, 2023 1:14 PM

By “genuine Nazism” I am referring to those who are actual Nazis and actual anti-Semites as opposed to trolls who adopt that role in order to fan the flames.

petunia petherington
petunia petherington
Sep 3, 2023 1:30 PM
Reply to  George Mc

Actually The term “Nazi” was coined by the Communist “journalist” (propaganda merchant) Konrad Heiden in other words made up by the MSM, which is still being parroted today by morons and thicko sheep. Now you know.

George Mc
George Mc
Sep 3, 2023 3:22 PM

I can find no reference to Heiden as the originator of the term. But it appears to have roots that go before the actual “Nazis”:

https://www.etymonline.com/word/Nazi

“…the word Nazi was favored in southern Germany (supposedly from c. 1924) among opponents of National Socialism because the nickname Nazi, Naczi (from the masc. proper name Ignatz, German form of Ignatius) was used colloquially to mean “a foolish person, clumsy or awkward person.” Ignatz was a popular name in Catholic Austria, and according to one source in World War I Nazi was a generic name in the German Empire for the soldiers of Austria-Hungary.”

George Mc
George Mc
Sep 3, 2023 8:50 PM
Reply to  George Mc

Interesting voter reaction. petunia petherington gets 3 votes up and I get 3 votes down. So I guess just shouting “morons and thicko sheep” is what gets you votes.

gbossa7
gbossa7
Sep 4, 2023 5:53 AM
Reply to  George Mc

From the bots and trolls at least. : /

Sean Veeda
Sean Veeda
Sep 3, 2023 11:23 AM
Reply to  George Mc

The rock stars of our generation were generally anti-establishment, until they became rich enough to hide themselves away from reality. Good on EC to buck the trend.

judith
judith
Sep 3, 2023 11:57 AM
Reply to  George Mc

Andy Green of Rolling Stone.
God, what a pretentious twat.

Howard
Howard
Sep 3, 2023 3:09 PM
Reply to  George Mc

Has not Rolling Stone’s evolution from a rag with a cool name to a rag with its nose firmly attached to the establishment’s go-to place for “truth” mirrored the evolution of the Rolling Stones from a cool band to a conglomerate of nonsense?

It’s almost as if every magazine should have only 5 readers and every musician only 5 gigs in a lifetime.

underground poet
underground poet
Sep 4, 2023 12:39 AM
Reply to  Howard

People are only politically or socially significant for like 10 years or perhaps 20 at the most, beyond that those few gems are far and few in between and are generally not heard about from the loud static of the current day.

But that does not mean they have lost their way or the time of day, just their say.

Sean Veeda
Sean Veeda
Sep 3, 2023 9:23 AM

The American way of writing dates, like 08/30/2023, is so illogical. The British way, 30/08/2023, is more sensible. For the digital age, the most logical way is 2023/08/30, to ensure dates are always ascending. But enough of this colonialism/imperialism/whatever!

Clive Williams
Clive Williams
Sep 3, 2023 2:39 PM
Reply to  Sean Veeda

30/8/23…..day/month/year.

Joe Smith
Joe Smith
Sep 3, 2023 6:36 PM
Reply to  Sean Veeda

When you spell it out, it’s August 30th, 2023. 8/30/2023. Common sense.

Sean Veeda
Sean Veeda
Sep 4, 2023 9:42 AM
Reply to  Joe Smith

Or the 30th of August 2023. 30/08/2023. British common sense.

Human values
Human values
Sep 3, 2023 9:17 AM

”Living the machine/Internet life would never be acceptable if people had not been subjected to an onslaught of numbers/statistics/data that has accustomed them to think like computers.” If people think like computers, they don’t think. People can think. Thoughts are by nature abstract. Thoughts that mean anything deal with abstract concepts. It is reasonable thinking that allows us to know the difference between truth and lies. The examples given in mathematics, that two plus two equals four, mean that’s how simple the truth is. The idea that two plus two equals five is an example of a lie (= not true). Real thought can only happen when thoughts are true. It is impossible to think anything meaningful if the thoughts are lies. No matter how charming it is to think that two plus two equals five or that men are actually women, that thinking lacking truth and logic can never… Read more »

Willem
Willem
Sep 3, 2023 10:01 AM
Reply to  Human values

‘It is simply lies upon lies upon lies, to charm people,’

Exactly that. One cannot do much with one truth (as in that 2+2=4), but the possibilities that 2+2 is anything but 4 are endless (-1). And also doesn’t take much thinking. Just repeat the lie is all that it takes. Lying can be so much fun.

Howard
Howard
Sep 3, 2023 1:40 PM
Reply to  Human values

Numbers became lies long ago. It happened when people decided that everything in existence had a mathematical basis – that mathematics was in fact the very underpinning of existence.

And from that base came the mangling of logic into a kind of chastity belt to pre-empt the creation of new ideas. “That’s illogical!” should garner the response “Ah! Then I’m on the right track!” Everything worthwhile came from that which strayed from the clutches of formal logic.

If just for a moment we could see what lies beyond 2+2=4, we just might begin to glimpse the deeper aspects of reality. Let 2+2 equal 5 just long enough to discover a brand new way of thinking. We can always decide it’s unworkable and go back to the old equation – but perhaps along the way we might get a sideways glance at what people call God.

Human values
Human values
Sep 3, 2023 11:19 PM
Reply to  Howard

No lie is worth believing for a second.

I already know where it leads. No attack and assault against human reason can change that.

One can never find God (Truth) from the Devil (Lies). Goodness is not in evil. Logic tells you that.  

Pilgrim Shadow
Pilgrim Shadow
Sep 3, 2023 5:22 PM
Reply to  Human values

Roger Lewis
Roger Lewis
Sep 3, 2023 8:58 AM

” It must create a complete environment for the individual, one from which he never emerges. And to prevent him from finding external points of reference, it protects him by censoring everything that might come in from the outside.”

Great article this, on poets.

“Work without hope is like nectar in a sieve
And love without an object cannot live”

Coleridge.

July 24, 2022
QUE HERE. SYSYPHUS, QUE OF CUES
,

Stockaded in linguistic prison walls.

—-

Plus ca change plus ca meme chose.

Christine Thompson
Christine Thompson
Sep 3, 2023 10:29 AM
Reply to  Roger Lewis
  • Queue (not ‘que’…)
Roger
Roger
Sep 3, 2023 11:26 AM

Spelling is not my strong suit, thanks for the correction Christine.

Roger
Roger
Sep 3, 2023 11:54 AM
Reply to  Roger
Roger
Roger
Sep 3, 2023 11:46 AM

Queue here. Sysyphus, que of cues, cue que, coup de que. Sisyphus pushed his boulder, The path smooth both ways The same incline repeated Parmenides like determination. — Prometheus chained over the hill Willing that Sisyphus may succeed panta rhei, alike to his own flame. Both legends for deaf ears. — Heraclitus his ebb and flow Crying metaphors to deaf masses Sobbing similes to Blind tyranny Calvary the summit to that bluff. — Maimonides saw each contradiction Each species of deafness, Loud Each species of blindness, Dark All no less perplexed than the next. — Yet another Sisyphus rolls Yet another Prometheus reveals Yet another Heraclitus cry’s Yet another Maimonides interprets —- Ancient and modern queuing Missed cues and repeated lines A dialogue of the divine comedy Stockaded in linguistic prison walls. —- Plus ca change plus ca meme chose. The underside of the Western tradition At the end of… Read more »

Clive Williams
Clive Williams
Sep 4, 2023 1:36 AM
Reply to  Roger

? Native Ash tree of life is laid out.