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Another Magical JFK Assassination Pseudo-Debate and Limited Hangout

Edward curtin

Much has been made of the September 9, 2023 simultaneous reports in The New York Times and Vanity Fair of the claims of a former Secret Service agent, Paul Landis, who was part of the security detail in Dallas, Texas when President John F. Kennedy was assassinated on November 22, 1963.  Like so many reports by such media that have covered up the truth of the assassination for sixty years, this one about “the magic bullet” is also a red herring.

It encourages pseudo-debates and confusion and is a rather dumb “limited hangout,” which is a strategy used by intelligence agencies to dangle some truth in order to divert attention from core facts of a case they are desperate to conceal. With these particular articles, they are willing to suggest that maybe the Warren Commission’s magic bullet claim is possibly incorrect. This is because so many people have long come to realize that that part of the propaganda story is absurd, so the coverup artists are willing to suggest it might be wrong in order to continue debating meaningless matters based on false premises in order to solidify their core lies.

Despite responses to these two stories about Landis that credit them for “finally” showing that the “magic bullet” claim of the Warren Commission is now dead, it would be more accurate to say they have revived debate about it in order to sneakily hide the fundamental fact about the assassination: that the CIA assassinated JFK.

We can expect many more such red herrings in the next two months leading up to the sixtieth anniversary of the assassination.

They are what one of the earliest critics of The Warren Commission, Vincent Salandria, a brilliant Philadelphia lawyer, called “a false mystery.”  He said:

After more than a half century, the historical truth of the assassination of President John F. Kennedy has been finally established beyond rational dispute. The Kennedy assassination is a false mystery. It was conceived by the conspirators to be a false mystery which was designed to cause interminable debate. The purpose of the protracted debate was to obscure what was quite clearly and plainly a coup d’état. Simply stated, President Kennedy was assassinated by our US national security state in order to abort his efforts to bring the Cold War to a peaceful conclusion.

That the corporate mainstream should trumpet these reports as important is to be expected, but that they are also so greeted by some people who should know better is sad.  For there is no mystery about the assassination of President Kennedy; he was assassinated by the CIA and the evidence for this fact has long been available. And the Warren Commission’s claim that Lee Harvey Oswald fired the so-called “magic bullet” – Commission Exhibit 399 – that entered JFK’s back and exited his neck and then went into the back of Gov. John Connally, who was sitting in the front seat, zigzagging in multiple directions, causing him five wounds and then emerging in pristine condition, has always been risible.

Only fools or those ignorant of the details have ever believed it, but desperate conspirators led by the late Arlen Specter, the future Senator, did desperate things for The Warren Commission in order to pin the rap on the patsy Oswald and cover-up for the killers.

I could spend many words explaining the details of the government conspiracy to assassinate JFK, why they did it, and have been covering it up ever since.  But I have done this elsewhere.  If you wish to learn the truth from credible sources, I would highly recommend that you watch the long version of Oliver Stone’s documentary JFK Revisited; Through the Looking Glass and then closely read the transcripts and interviews in James DiEugenio’s crucial compendium of transcripts and interviews for the film.  You will immediately realize that these recent revelations are a continuation of the coverup.

This should be immediately intuited by the titles of the two pieces.  The New York Times’ articlewritten by its chief White House correspondent Peter Baker, who previously worked for the Washington Post for twenty years, including four years as its Moscow bureau chief, is entitled JFK Assassination Witness Breaks His Silence and Raises New Questions. (The Times and Washington Post have long been the CIA’s mouthpieces.) The Vanity Fair article is written by James Robenalt, a colleague of John Dean of Watergate infamy, and is entitled A New JFK  Assassination Revelation Could Upend the Long-Held “Lone Gunman” Theory.

For anyone with a soupçon of linguistic analytical skill and a rudimentary knowledge of the JFK assassination, those titles immediately induce skepticism.  “New questions”?  Don’t we already have the answers we need.  “Could Upend the Long-Held ‘Lone Gunman’ Theory”?  So we must keep debating and researching the obvious.  Why?  To protect the CIA.

Both articles go on to expound on how the sympathetically described poor conscience-stricken old guy Landis’s claim that he found the so-called pristine magic bullet on the top back of the car seat where JFK was sitting and placed it on Kennedy’s stretcher in Parkland Hospital without telling anyone for all these decades is an earth shattering revelation.  And as they do so, they make sure to slip in a series of falsehoods to reinforce the essence of the government’s case.

If anyone is interested in the facts concerning the physical evidence, all one need do is read Vincent Salandria’s analysis here.  Once you have, you will realize the hullabaloo about Landis is a pseudo-debate.

These articles about Landis reinforce what Dr. Martin Schotz describes in his book History Will Not Absolve Us, and what he said in a talk twenty-five years ago.  He made a distinction between the waters of knowledge and the waters of uncertainty.  In the case of the JFK assassination, the public is allowed to think anything they want, but they are not allowed to know the truth, although since the Warren Commission was released it was evident that “no honest person could ever accept the single bullet theory.”  And he then added this about pseudo-debates:

The lie that was destined to cover the truth of the assassination was the lie that the assassination is a mystery, that we are not sure what happened, but being free citizens of a great democracy we can discuss and debate what has occurred. We can petition our government and join with it in seeking the solution to this mystery. This is the essence of the cover-up.

The lie is that there is a mystery to debate. And so we have pseudo-debates. Debates about meaningless disputes, based on assumptions which are obviously false. This is the form that Orwell’s crimestop has taken in the matter of the President’s murder. I am talking about the pseudo-debate over whether the Warren Report is true when it is obviously and undebatably false. . . . Perhaps many people think that engaging in pseudo-debate is a benign activity. That it simply means that people are debating something that is irrelevant.

This is not the case.

I say this because every debate rests on a premise to which the debaters must agree, or there is no debate. In the case of pseudo-debate the premise is a lie. So in the pseudo-debate we have the parties to the debate agreeing to purvey a lie to the public. And it is all the more malignant because it is subtle. The unsuspecting person who is witness to the pseudo-debate does not understand that he is being passed a lie. He is not even aware that he is being passed a premise. It is so subtle that the premise just passes into the person as if it were reality. This premise—that there is uncertainty to be resolved—seems so benign. It is as easy as drinking a glass of treated water.

But the fact remains that there is no mystery except in the minds of those who are willing to drink this premise. The premise is a lie, and a society which agrees to drink such a lie ceases to perceive reality. This is what we mean by mass denial.

That the entire establishment has been willing to join in this process of cover-up by confusion creates an extreme form of problem for anyone who would seek to utter the truth. For these civilian institutions—the media, the universities and the government—once they begin engaging in denial of knowledge of the identity of the assassins, once they are drawn into the cover-up, a secondary motivation develops for them.

Now they are not only protecting the state, they are now protecting themselves, because to expose the obviousness of the assassination and the false debate would be to reveal the corrupt role of all these institutions. And there is no question that these institutions are masters in self-protection. Thus anyone who would attempt to confront the true cover-up must be prepared to confront virtually the entire society. And in doing this, one is inevitably going to be marginalized.

And to mention just one false premise of the Landis saga (beside the one that there is uncertainty to be resolved; and there are many others, but one will suffice, since I don’t want to enter into a pseudo-debate), it is that the so-called magic bullet in evidence – CE 399 – the one discussed in these articles, is not even the one said to be found somewhere in Parkland Hospital, and the chain of custody for that bullet – or some bullet – is broken in many places (see James DiEugenio, JFK Revisited: Through the Looking Glass ).

Phantom bullets and plenty of magic go into the creation and destruction of this tall tale told to camouflage the CIA’s guilt in its killing of President Kennedy.  If you believe in magic and mystery, The New York Times’ Peter Baker has these words for you, if you can understand them:

Mr. Landis’s account, included in a forthcoming memoir, would rewrite the narrative of one of modern American history’s most earth-shattering days in an important way. It may not mean any more than that. But it could also encourage those who have long suspected that there was more than one gunman in Dallas on Nov. 22, 1963, adding new grist to one of the nation’s enduring mysteries.

Yes, those four English lads said it in 1967: “The magical mystery tour is hoping to take you away” into an enduring mystery, even though the case was solved long ago.

Edward Curtin is an independent writer whose work has appeared widely over many years. His website is edwardcurtin.com and his new book is Seeking Truth in a Country of Lies.

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rem
rem
Sep 21, 2023 8:40 PM

The only equivalent to the magic bullet since creation,
is the Magic Bolt™ of WTC7 on 911.
Like the bullet, this single, magic, bolt; holding together an entire 47 storied, 81 columned, steel framed high-rise building 7, in NYC; failed at 5:20 on the afternoon of 911 due to ‘normal office furnishings fires’ (photographically proven out at the time), according to the official creatioNIST Building Assessment Report.
The critical fail of this single bolt, at girder seat column 79, 12th floor, allowed 81 columns and hundreds of intersecting beam and girder connections of the building, to -instantaneously and completely – cease all load bearing function over the lower twelve floors;
thus dropping the building suddenly, at FreeFall, into it’s own plan area in 6.25+-seconds; all concrete flooring (47 acres of it) turned into Hot, rapidly expanding pixie DUST.

Like the magic bullet, a miracle of science existing purely as political expediency (agnotology)

John Manning
John Manning
Sep 18, 2023 9:04 PM

The only investigation of the Kennedy murder, by a US legal official, at the time of the murder, was carried out by Jim Garrison, a District Attorney in New Orleans. He had authority to do this because Oswald’s legal address was in New Orleans.
The most interesting fact revealed in that investigation was a forensic test on Oswald within 4 hours of the murder. The test to discover whether or not Oswald had recently fired a gun. The test was negative. This was probably the main reason Oswald could not be allowed to live long enough to stand trial. The facts would not have supported the assassination story.
Garrisons book is called, On the trail of assassins.

Ort
Ort
Sep 19, 2023 7:52 PM
Reply to  John Manning

After Garrison stepped on to the national stage and challenged the preposterously mendacious official narrative of JFK’s assassination– formalized in the contrived “Warren Report”– he was, as the odious Senator Chuck Schumer might put it, “canceled” six ways from Sunday.

Establishment and Deep State assets among network executives even recruited Johnny Carson to invite Garrison on the “Tonight Show” to discuss his controversial views; in a striking departure from his trademark amiable and convivial hosting style, Carson was uncharacteristically bumptious, confrontational, and palpably disapproving towards Garrison. 😠

James Enright
James Enright
Sep 18, 2023 4:27 PM

is this article about JFK or Russell Band?

johnboy
johnboy
Sep 18, 2023 3:49 PM

Curtin is correct – this is yet another misleading and CIA backed piece of cra…..

Landis did not write this book and for more insight into its appearance check this out

Onthemoney
Onthemoney
Sep 18, 2023 8:51 AM

Dr Shiva had something interesting to say about the whole JFK assasination saga. He said who the expletive cares? That he was a war monger and that his descendent RFK jr was pro lockdown and the not so obvious establishment like Donald Trump was. It is quite an interesting video. He said as president he would make us videos.
https://youtu.be/XbdYC3LslYc

Jude
Jude
Sep 18, 2023 3:53 PM
Reply to  Onthemoney

Nice try but no dice. Whether JFK was a warmonger or not is beside the point. The point is that he was murdered by the military industrial intelligence complex. Your willingness to obfuscate makes you, as Salandria would say, an accessory after the fact.

les online
les online
Sep 18, 2023 12:19 AM

Was there ever a time when things were not framed as crises, or looming catastrophes, when The Future wasnt something to be frightened of ?
The Old Testament is replete with predictions (aka – prophecies) of Gloom & Doom…
Did Nostradamus make any prophecies (aka – predictions) that were not about Future Catastrophes ? I think not…
I’m older now – and cautious…But i often times pine for my past wherein i didnt do a Risk Assessment before doing things…When did Growing Up become risky ?

Erik Nielsen
Erik Nielsen
Sep 17, 2023 10:03 PM

No matter what anybody says, and Oliver Stones can make as many films he like, I stick to Lee Harvey Oswald did it. There is no doubt in my mind.

les online
les online
Sep 18, 2023 12:21 AM
Reply to  Erik Nielsen

Occam’s Razor ?

Hele
Hele
Sep 18, 2023 6:27 AM
Reply to  Erik Nielsen

Fairytale

Chris
Chris
Sep 18, 2023 3:54 PM
Reply to  Erik Nielsen

Twat

Howard
Howard
Sep 20, 2023 3:53 PM
Reply to  Erik Nielsen

I think you’re being satirical (based on the overall tenor of your comments). But judging from the responses, not satirical enough.

scamdemic
scamdemic
Sep 17, 2023 9:04 PM

This video has been carefully worded as to not offend anyone. This channel is committed to upholding the “YouTube Gold Standard” for withholding the truth.

“In addition to removing videos that violate our policies, we also want to reduce the spread of content that comes right up to the line. — The YouTube Team”

I’ll take the 1st — Rabbi McGoyim

Jerry Alatalo
Jerry Alatalo
Sep 18, 2023 10:00 AM
Reply to  scamdemic

For any man or woman truly interested in the facts/evidence about the assassinations of American President John F. Kennedy and likely-president Robert F. Kennedy, most will, after watching, agree Laurent Guyenot’s mind-blowing (pun absolutely intended) documentary film “cuts to the chase”:

Hereticdrummer
Hereticdrummer
Sep 17, 2023 8:51 PM

The CIA has always been in bed with the major organized crime syndicates, it is one itself. Further, it is a misnomer classifying the CIA as an Intelligence gathering outfit. In truth, it is a military strike force and assassination machine. The hits it has consummated since its inception would make the old Cosa Nostra green with envy.

davetherave
davetherave
Sep 17, 2023 8:28 PM

I am bored of the JFK thing.

wardropper
wardropper
Sep 17, 2023 8:59 PM
Reply to  davetherave

Fortunately, this is not about you.

timothy l jones
timothy l jones
Sep 17, 2023 10:36 PM
Reply to  davetherave

go find a new toy then.

el Gallinazo
el Gallinazo
Sep 17, 2023 7:17 PM

The JFK hit could validly be classified as a false flag operation. This requires the perp of the violence to be apparently against itself (or a hoax of the violence, such as the Gulf of Tonkin operation or Sandy Hoax), and an innocent patsy. Interestingly, the scamdemic was the greatest false flag in known human history. The violence was by the Deep State sponsored and orchestrated by the US Dept. of Defense against humanity as a whole including the American people. They cut new ground as the patsy was not a human or collection thereof, but rather a non-existent nano particle.

What connects this with the FF content of today’s article is that they have engineered a pseudo debate for both as to how this non-existent nano particle came to “be.” Was it created as a love child between a pangolin and a bat or Ms. Dr. Fu Manchu in a lab in Wuhan? Of course neither is true. What our Overlord psychotic perps don’t, at all costs, to become a common narrative among the untermenschen is that the patsy was a hoax which never existed.

Edwige
Edwige
Sep 17, 2023 6:47 PM

The missing dimension to what happened in Chile in 1973?
https://www.podomatic.com/podcasts/tkelly6785757/episodes/2023-09-17T05_01_52-07_00

The discussion about Chile starts about 30 mins in and it’s Atwill’s analysis that offers the new paradigm whereas Kelly is still trying to fit it into a left/right framework.

moneycircus
moneycircus
Sep 17, 2023 6:02 PM

It is raining tonight in Georgia. It’s blessing my watermelons, man.

Cucumbers have strangely died. More leaves turning yellow and falling, than fresh green replacing them.

Pumpkins are pumped.

Sal P
Sal P
Sep 17, 2023 5:00 PM
Edward Curtin
Edward Curtin
Sep 17, 2023 7:15 PM
Reply to  Sal P

So a guy with a bunch of guns and a backpack filled with ammo shows up at a RFK,Jr. talk. Obviously someone so blatant would never gain entrance. So who sent him and why?

Sal P
Sal P
Sep 17, 2023 10:02 PM
Reply to  Edward Curtin

Good question. May have been staged as a threat that was not meant to be carried out – at least not for now.

Victor G.
Victor G.
Sep 20, 2023 12:39 PM
Reply to  Edward Curtin

Given all the backstory, I’d almost immediately want to say Mo**ad. But no, This “gentleman” has already declared beyond equivocation his unwavering fealty.
That leaves either the DNC acting on orders from Killary or the gentleman himself, which is not to say that they couldn’t easily be in cahoots.

el Gallinazo
el Gallinazo
Sep 17, 2023 4:33 PM

As a child I was fascinated by guns and ballistics and learned quite a bit about them of a technical nature. The only way that a pristine bullet could have arrived in the back seat of the JFK’s limousine would be if Nolan Ryan (a famous fastball pitcher) had thrown it there from the Texas Book Depository. Anyone who studies the JFK hit soon learns that JFK’s Secret Service detail broke all their protocol rules to allow the murder. Which ones were in on it and which ones were simply “following orders from their superiors” is an open question. None of them including Landis should have any credibility.

The real debate should be about whether 3 generations of Americans are really as stupid as our Overlords assume as to to believe this dogshit for 60 years. I can remember having heated debates in my freshman dorm in 1964 about it, claiming that it was a CIA coup d’etat.. The other question might be if the American people were in fact not that stupid, what could they have done about it anyway short of a full scale, national guerrilla insurrection. Like Caesar crossing the Rubicon, the JFK hit marked the official demarcation of the USA from a corrupt republic into a tyrannical empire.

And bear in mind that the official story of 9/11 is even stupider, if that is possible, then the JFK hit. Perhaps the DoD bioweapons relabeled as vaccines which are killing and disabling millions of the teeming masses, and putting them in the crosshairs of the ruling psychotics, may wake them up. Maybe, but I am not holding my breath.

Hele
Hele
Sep 18, 2023 6:32 AM
Reply to  el Gallinazo

I read that at the time of the Assassination over 60% of the US citizens did not buy the official story.

Clutching at straws
Clutching at straws
Sep 18, 2023 10:25 AM
Reply to  el Gallinazo

They know that if they can get away with WTC 7 they can get away with anything.

You’ve got to ask if they announced it’s collapse half an hour early as a test of the public’s intelligence ?

el Gallinazo
el Gallinazo
Sep 18, 2023 3:40 PM

I think they just fucked up.

Nick Baam
Nick Baam
Sep 18, 2023 6:08 PM
Reply to  el Gallinazo

And why did the tower hit second fall first?

Wrong switch?

Whoops!!

Victor G.
Victor G.
Sep 20, 2023 12:44 PM
Reply to  el Gallinazo

Dood, it was an incredibly complex and articulated operation, years in the planning … I’m sure they were prepared for, expecting even, a few hiccoughs.

el Gallinazo
el Gallinazo
Sep 20, 2023 6:11 PM
Reply to  Victor G.

Well, the JFK hit had even more fuck-ups, not the least of which was the ludicrous super bullet “theory.” Doesn’t seem to make any difference in the final outcome. Sixty years and counting.

judith
judith
Sep 18, 2023 12:38 PM
Reply to  el Gallinazo

I do wish the disabling would wake people up. But I have a feeling it will not.
I see no evidence in my own circles.
I know two people who have been severely injection injured. They are being treated, successfully for now. I am praying they will not get the booster this Fall.
That’s the thing, the many who have been injection injured are now even more susceptible to cvid – so they must, according to the narrative, get a booster.
You can’t explain to them that everyone’s immune system is now injection compromised, and that now even a common cold could get very serious.
The LAST thing they should do is get the shot.

el Gallinazo
el Gallinazo
Sep 18, 2023 3:45 PM
Reply to  judith

There is no “covid.” It has been a hoax in order to accomplish their many objectives, not the least of which is democide.

moneycircus
moneycircus
Sep 17, 2023 4:24 PM

The most published writer on JFK’s assassination was Mark Lane (name changer from Levin) whom Mae Brussell (herself the daughter of a rabbi) considered misdirection.

Lane (Levin) she said used his influence to suppress rival authors. She called him part of the Power Control Group.

Contrary to what faux universities school their kids, knowledge does not go out of date. (Canadian school board in Mississauga, Ontario has decided to purge its library of all books published before the year 2008 – citing “equity-based book weeding”).

Brussell’s broadcasts tell you more about today than Off-G or Moneycircus Substack.
https://www.worldwatchers.info/

judith
judith
Sep 18, 2023 12:42 PM
Reply to  moneycircus

Yes, she was quite amazing.
She talks about how the Nazi’s never left. Just came to America. Still operative.
The price she paid for her exposition?
Two daughters were going to or returning from a dance recital. Their car was hit (can’t remember right now if it was hit and run or not)
One daughter died. One had a broken leg.
Mae got fast acting cancer at the age of 66 and passed away back in 1988

Paul Vonharnish
Paul Vonharnish
Sep 17, 2023 4:08 PM

“If you are awaiting a finding of ‘clear and present danger’, then I can only say that the danger has never been more clear; and, its presence has never been more imminent. It requires a change in outlook, a change in tactics, a change in mission; by the government, by the people, by every businessman or labor leader and by every newspaper. For we are opposed around the world by a monolithic and ruthless conspiracy that relies primarily on covert means for expanding its sphere of influence; on infiltration instead of invasion; on subversion instead of elections; on intimidation instead of free choice; on guerrillas by night instead of armies by day. It is a system which has conscripted vast human and material resources into the building of a tightly-knit, highly-efficient machine that combines military, diplomatic, intelligence, economic, scientific and political operations. Its preparations are concealed, not published; its mistakes are buried, not headlined; its dissenters are silenced, not praised. No expenditure is questioned; no rumor is printed; no secret is revealed. It conducts the Cold War in short, with a war-time discipline no democracy would ever hope or wish to match… there is very grave danger that an announced need for increased security will be seized upon by those anxious to expand its meaning to the very limits of official censorship and concealment.” 
– John F. Kennedy – 1961

Yup. And CIA/Mossad are still in business…

Howard
Howard
Sep 17, 2023 3:18 PM

The evidence for a conspiracy was right there, in plain sight on national TV. It was the assassination of Lee Harvey Oswald.

The only possible reason to kill Oswald (if indeed he was killed) was to keep him from going to trial. Even if he didn’t talk, enough evidence would have come out that no cover-up would have been possible.

I don’t recall if Jack Ruby ever went to trial for Oswald’s murder; but it wouldn’t have mattered. Nothing relating to Kennedy’s assassination would have been relevant – other than the mere fact of the assassination.

el Gallinazo
el Gallinazo
Sep 17, 2023 5:03 PM
Reply to  Howard

First, there was no chance that Oswald would have kept his mouth shut in a trial as had been evidenced by him screaming at live TV cameras seconds before he was shot, that he was a “patsy.” Second, Ruby did go to trial for murder and was convicted. He conveniently died of cancer shortly afterwards in prison.

Oswald and Ruby were acquaintances and were occasionally seen chatting with each other at a table at Ruby’s night club. Ruby was a low level mafioso in Dallas. Dallas policeman Tippit was ordered to kill LHO but was himself killed in the attempt. The Deep State had absolutely no choice but to kill LHO ASAP or the whole stupid coup would have been exposed.

Speaking of cancer, I would suggest one reads Doctor Mary’s Monkey, a startling account, among others things, of the strange, short life of LHO. It is very well written and I believe it to be truthful and accurate.

https://www.amazon.com/Dr-Marys-Monkey-Cancer-Causing-Assassination-ebook/dp/B00LZ5OTQ0/ref=sr_1_1?crid=RF4KADJEY2VM&keywords=doctor+mary%27s+monkey+book&qid=1694965333&sprefix=doctor+Mary%27s%2Caps%2C363&sr=8-1

bleak
bleak
Sep 18, 2023 5:52 AM
Reply to  el Gallinazo

Yes to Doctor Mary’s Monkey. If ever a book should turn the head of even the most jaded JFK tinfoil nutter, that’s it. See a picture of Dr Mary Sherman with half her body removed from an “accident” with a particle accelerator (maybe it was an accident but the cause of death coverup was no accident). Her, LHO, David Ferrie, under the auspices of Dr Alton Ochsner at Tulane University, were working on cancer-causing bioweapons and boy did they find some. Cancer in the US skyrocketed after polio vax #2 and it wasn’t from cigarettes. Hella great book that should not be left unread.

Victor G.
Victor G.
Sep 20, 2023 12:56 PM
Reply to  el Gallinazo

“Mafioso” is not quite the word. Jacob Rubinstein was not an Italian-American.

el Gallinazo
el Gallinazo
Sep 20, 2023 7:39 PM
Reply to  Victor G.

Neither were Meyer Lansky or Bugsy Siegel.

el Gallinazo
el Gallinazo
Sep 20, 2023 10:05 PM
Reply to  el Gallinazo

Or Ben Bernanke.

Christine Thompson
Christine Thompson
Sep 17, 2023 7:14 PM
Reply to  Howard

I’ve seen your spotting of my ‘typo’ on the ‘Watermelon’ article (typing the year of the Turkish bloke, Cuneyt Arkin’s, ‘death’, as 1922, instead of the correct 2022). Many thanks for spotting it – ‘Oops!’ indeed!

(I posted a short reply on that article)

Johnny 5
Johnny 5
Sep 17, 2023 3:10 PM

Rather obvious these limited hangouts are to make RFK Jr. look like an outsider who will fight the system. How he could be “in on it” is hard to believe but his book still pretends covid-19 was a novel virus/bio-weapon, although there is little reason to think this is true.

Lizzyh7
Lizzyh7
Sep 17, 2023 5:57 PM
Reply to  Johnny 5

The entire passage about pseudo debates and limited hangouts applies to the whole covid idiocy very well. All one need do is replace the word “assassination” with the word “pandemic” and it’s then a perfect description of what is currently happening. But as Mark Crispin Miller has stated, it is one thing to study the historical uses of propaganda, and another thing entirely to study those tactics in real time and recognize them for what they are. Most simply cannot, or will not, recognize it until it has accomplished what it was used to accomplish. And here we are….

Jerry Alatalo
Jerry Alatalo
Sep 17, 2023 2:39 PM

We can expect many more such red herrings in the next two months leading up to the sixtieth anniversary of the assassination.
They are what one of the earliest critics of The Warren Commission, Vincent Salandria, a brilliant Philadelphia lawyer, called “a false mystery.”  He said:

*

Following the link to Ratical.org and the article (“The Paines’ Role in History”) leads the reader(s) to an absolutely extraordinary, jaw-dropping, virtually-unknown revelation regarding the JFK assassination (premeditated murder)…

Kalvin Stardust
Kalvin Stardust
Sep 17, 2023 1:19 PM

Brand is a narcissistic pillock who has had it coming to him for a long, long time. He’s Jimmy Savile with dark hair. Naturally he’ll protest his innocence for a while, put on a brash, loud indignant display of his fight against the forces of evil that seek to drag him down with lies. But in the end, he will be exposed as the dangerous, predatory dikchead that he is. Wonderful.

moneycircus
moneycircus
Sep 17, 2023 2:51 PM

Brand is part of the actor cohort that has glottaled the undiction of a generation of British boys who cannot make themselves understood.

I have a half brother who is an incomprehensible mumbler. He has the same father and went to the same university as me. What happened?

Anyhoo.

Being part of the Hollywood set I always thought Brand an (UN)limited hangout… often entertaining, and increasingly overconfident from his handlers’ point of view.

If so, then it’s confirmation that you can never please the masters.

YourPointBeing
YourPointBeing
Sep 17, 2023 3:12 PM
Reply to  moneycircus

Its naive in the extreme to think Brand didn’t know how this would end.

He is a security asset.

You either get locked in a bag and suffocate, or get accused of all sorts of sexual deviance and go and live the rest of your life in Israel.

Thems the breaks.

Kalvin Stardust
Kalvin Stardust
Sep 17, 2023 3:35 PM
Reply to  YourPointBeing

Brand is not and never has been an asset. He is, always has been, and always will be… an asshole.

Lizzyh7
Lizzyh7
Sep 17, 2023 6:07 PM

Well yes, CIA asset = asshole. And the type of asshole who thinks they’re part of the big scam, until they find out they were part of it alright, but not the part that counts, only the part exposed to the rubes who will believe anything out of a supposed dissident. Assholes indeed.

Corarden
Corarden
Sep 18, 2023 8:43 AM

He is an asset arsehole, which is probably better than being an arsehole asset

Clive Williams
Clive Williams
Sep 17, 2023 4:57 PM
Reply to  moneycircus

Never heard of him speak for Yourself self opinionated dickhead. BOY!

George Mc
George Mc
Sep 17, 2023 12:51 PM

The astonishingly ferocious campaign against Russell Brand now reaches its true goal:

Russell Brand: entertainment industry has questions to answer, says Cleverly

Foreign secretary makes comments after allegations of rape and sexual assault made against comedian

-Guardian

The entire “entertainment industry” has “questions to answer”. The censorship has now reached a new level.

YourPointBeing
YourPointBeing
Sep 17, 2023 3:14 PM
Reply to  George Mc

You’d have thought they might have questions to answer after the BBC and hundreds shielded Jimmy Saville as he raped dead bodies and generally made his pig ugly face a staple of Englands youth (Jim’ll fix it)

Clive Williams
Clive Williams
Sep 17, 2023 5:46 PM
Reply to  YourPointBeing

“Hazz it Appans” I think he was sponsored by the Sports Outfiitter Industrial Complex Fringe The Jim.

shearwater
shearwater
Sep 18, 2023 9:18 AM
Reply to  YourPointBeing

I think people are a bit hard on Jimmy Saville. He gave me the opportunity as a young lad to milk a cow whilst blindfolded

Sam - Admin2
Admin
Sam - Admin2
Sep 18, 2023 11:59 AM
Reply to  shearwater

This joke is dark and of dubious taste, but I admit I chuckled at it. Perhaps we need more jokes Below the Line!? 🤪

shearwater
shearwater
Sep 18, 2023 5:44 PM
Reply to  Sam - Admin2

Laughter and the ridicule of tyrants is, at the moment, possibly the most effective weapon we have

Ort
Ort
Sep 18, 2023 6:46 PM
Reply to  shearwater

Did he? I udder to think! 😉

Camille
Camille
Sep 29, 2023 5:18 PM
Reply to  Ort

Don’t be cowed by the story

Hugh O’Neill
Hugh O’Neill
Sep 17, 2023 12:36 PM

Despite all that we know about the forces of The Unspeakable, James Douglass makes the point that JFK did not live and die in vain, In fact, JFK knew the fate that awaited him immediately after the peaceful resolution of the Cuban Missile Crisis in October 1962. It is testament to his courage (and then Bobby’s) to carry on regardless. Both brothers outwitted their entire Ex-Comm committee by using their own secret back-door diplomacy to allow JFK to deal directly with Khrushchev. Had JFK’s secret messages been intercepted by his own side, then WWIII was a definite. The general staff lusted after WWIIIbecuase they thought they could win a nuclear exchange. As JFK said: “A man does what he must. That is the basis for all morality”.

underground poet
underground poet
Sep 17, 2023 12:19 PM

What is mostly overlooked is that prosecutors love to prosecute just as killers love to kill, once successful it leads to more pay or recognition, as any shred of evidence is examined and followed up on.

The better analysis is that there was more than one gunman, but the second one was of an unknown origin, all the CIA animals and their cohorts were accounted for on that day, so going after them was a legal dead end.

And the law can’t admit they knew of something they couldn’t report, so the easy way out was to declare the one gunman theory as the country’s citizens and its leaders healed from the wound inflicted some 60 years ago.

petunia petherington
petunia petherington
Sep 17, 2023 11:42 AM

Things are not that simple, some events do take place but are not true, others are although they never occured!

Violet
Violet
Sep 17, 2023 11:01 AM

Could it be that President Kennedy’s assassination was linked to his Execution Order 11110, which would have been the end of the international scoundrels fraudulent debt based Federal Reserve if it had come to fruition?

Me thinks so.

petunia petherington
petunia petherington
Sep 17, 2023 1:29 PM
Reply to  Violet

Yes Violet…and that he was going too smash the CIA into a thousand pieces!

Violet
Violet
Sep 17, 2023 2:39 PM
Reply to  Violet

Executive oops.

moneycircus
moneycircus
Sep 17, 2023 5:49 PM
Reply to  Violet

Dimona, Dimona, Dimona.
The same Israeli nuclear project that Klaus Schwab would later be involved with via his nuclear deals with South Africa – the exchange was well known, though Whitney Webb’s “Johnny Vedmore” ignored it in his “Schwab Family Values.”

mgeo
mgeo
Sep 18, 2023 7:29 AM
Reply to  Violet

Top reasons in descending order of importance:
– He was about to divest the Federal Reserve System of its power, as per Executive Order he signed in June 1963, ignored by his successor.
– He took 3 positions against Israel (a) supporting the right of Palestinians to return (b) against Israeli nuclear weapons (c) insisting AZC (predecessor to AIPAC) register as a foreign agent
– He was making serious progress against the Mafia through RFK.

Violet
Violet
Sep 19, 2023 2:43 PM
Reply to  mgeo

Spot on.

Keith Ford
Keith Ford
Sep 17, 2023 10:35 AM

OK, but who in the CIA authorised it?
Names, position, dates contacts?

Paul Vonharnish
Paul Vonharnish
Sep 17, 2023 3:53 PM
Reply to  Keith Ford

It doesn’t matter. There were operatives all up and down the chain of command, including Lyndon Johnson and Robert “Strange” McNamara. Most lived out their lives in utter comfort, and the majority are now (thankfully) quite dead.
The CIA is still in business, and most people remain fat, comfortable, and willfully ignorant. The ship sailed six decades ago…

Tom Larsen
Tom Larsen
Sep 17, 2023 10:36 PM
Reply to  Keith Ford

Allen Dulles. You want a paper trail?

Placental Mammal
Placental Mammal
Sep 18, 2023 4:14 AM
Reply to  Keith Ford

James Jesus Angleton

Angleton was having lunch with a French intelligence operative on the day of the assassination. He was the liaison between the CIA and the M agency. Elements of the French SDECE (I think) were sympathetic to the Algerian OAS which in turn was allied with Israel. JFK’s first foreign policy speech in the senate in 1957 was in favour of Algerian independence. The OAS was not impressed and may have contributed a gunman.

And you really should get off your arse and do some research instead of asking dumb questions.

Placental_Mammal
Placental_Mammal
Sep 18, 2023 12:33 PM
Reply to  Keith Ford

Eugene Dinkin

An amazing bit of history is the story of Eugene Dinkin. He was a US army codebreaker based at the time of the assassination in Metz, France. Based on cables he intercepted and decoded he predicted the assassination within days of the actual date, also specifying the state. He made desperate attempts to warn the authorities but was locked up for his efforts.

Erik Nielsen
Erik Nielsen
Sep 20, 2023 3:58 AM
Reply to  Keith Ford

Lee Harvey Oswald, Illuminati Agent, 1.4.1960, Allan Dulles, Lyndon Johnson.

Edwige
Edwige
Sep 17, 2023 10:20 AM

“the Warren Commission’s magic bullet claim is possibly incorrect.”

This “magic bullet” has become so well-known that it’s largely forgotten that previously the term had been applied to vaccines – in 1907 by Paul Ehrlich (now where else has that name cropped up?…. ). Was that just as fictional?

The Warren Commission should really be called the Dulles Commission for who truly was running it. However for all that it matters Earl Warren was the Grandmaster of California Freemasonry and had been a conservative Governor of California until Eisenhower appointed him to the Supreme Court where he was magically transformed into a liberal supporting many crucial rulings (like Brown in 1954) that undergirded the 1960s’ countercultural psyop.

Corarden
Corarden
Sep 17, 2023 10:19 AM

Ed, as far as I can tell you have never mentioned or referenced Michael Collins Piper or his book ‘Final Judgement’. Have you read it?

Clutching at straws
Clutching at straws
Sep 17, 2023 9:47 AM

OT But relevant in the false narrative sense.

Russell Brand is being crucified by a combined, concerted media attack.

Looking round the papers this morning, the stories are EXACTLY the same from all shades of the media spectrum.

one of the accusations is that he had an affair with a 16 year old girl. As far as I remember the age of consent is–

16 !

No comments are being accepted on any MSM and the two minute’s hate is very rabble rousing.

I know a lot on here are quick to look for “controlled opposition” but I would urge you if that’s your stance to watch RB”s you tube videos.

Or are you going to make that snorting noise and say “I’m not watching that corporate shill” ?

George Mc
George Mc
Sep 17, 2023 9:57 AM

The “news” report last night on RB was the most excrutiatingly Stalinist hit piece I’ve seen since the “Corbyn is Hitler” coverage on the night before the election. They “permit” an acknowledgement of Brand’s denial …… before launching into a prurient catalogue of these apocryphal crimes. Trial is irrelevant. Brand will be destroyed by the media. The process is up and running. They are also excerpting bits from his stage show quoted out of context. Anything that can be used will be used.

It’s like Gore Vidal once said. If you write a novel with the line,

“All Jews must die!” screamed the Nazi.

the first four words will be quoted as your own,

All Jews must die!

George Mc
George Mc
Sep 17, 2023 9:58 AM

The “news” report last night on RB was the most excrutiatingly Stalinist hit piece I’ve seen since the “Corbyn is Hitler” coverage on the night before the election. They “permit” an acknowledgement of Brand’s denial …… before launching into a prurient catalogue of these apocryphal crimes. Trial is irrelevant. Brand will be destroyed by the media. The process is up and running. They are also excerpting bits from his stage show quoted out of context. Anything that can be used will be used.

It’s like Gore Vidal once said. If you write a novel with the line,

“All Jews must die!” screamed the Nazi.

the first four words will be quoted as your own,

All Jews must die!

George Mc
George Mc
Sep 17, 2023 10:00 AM
Reply to  George Mc

Feel free to scrap the original “pending” version.

Corarden
Corarden
Sep 17, 2023 10:25 AM
Reply to  George Mc

Methinks looking at his connections, he went a little off script and is being retired and shown just exactly who it is who wields the power and decides who gets rich and famous and for how long. Or perhaps this is all more soap opera and news fodder, and he is in on it too. But then both things are possible simultaneously.

Sam - Admin2
Admin
Sam - Admin2
Sep 17, 2023 10:02 AM

I have watched his videos, and I have found myself questioning his motivation. Didn’t seem to quite add up to me, on an instinctive level. It all gets a bit hard to judge, ya know, living inside a simulacrum as we do 😅 I hope he’s a good character with a well-developed social conscience, A2

Clutching at straws
Clutching at straws
Sep 17, 2023 10:15 AM
Reply to  Sam - Admin2

Ok, what about this;

RB is a naive, childlike character who thinks he can mess around with women, politics, basically anything that takes his fancy without any consequence.

He has (had?) a platform from where he can influence a lot of people.

He happens on some info which he finds interesting and puts it out there willy-nilly

Maybe we’re giving him too much credit for sophistication on both sides of the argument.

One thing’s for sure.

He’s been done up like a kipper

Watch the clip about pharma on the US talkshow

https://twitter.com/i/status/1703155215686373862

Johnny
Johnny
Sep 17, 2023 11:23 AM

Brand, like the Kennedys, like Assange, like Snowden, like _ _ _ etc etc, make em squirm.
They hate that. They fear that.
They draw blood.
They are LIFE$UCKER$.

michael genner
michael genner
Sep 18, 2023 3:21 PM
Reply to  Johnny

does that mean craig murray is a fraud as well ?(genuine question) because he never shuts up about assange!

YourPointBeing
YourPointBeing
Sep 17, 2023 3:19 PM

He had support of very powerful people to gain the traction he did.

Conclusion?
Intelligence Asset, come to the (probably pre-agreed) end of his tenure

YourPointBeing
YourPointBeing
Sep 17, 2023 3:30 PM
Reply to  Sam - Admin2

I think the security services would have called him a “useful idiot”

Clutching at straws
Clutching at straws
Sep 17, 2023 4:01 PM
Reply to  YourPointBeing

I think you’re bang on.

His naivety and hubris has been his downfall.

Edwige
Edwige
Sep 17, 2023 10:28 AM

It was obvious long ago there was dirt on Brand (remember Andrew Sachs?). It’s been kept under wraps until they’d built up the Brand as some sort of alt-guru and now they’re trying to smear the alt-sphere by association.

Brand was never geniune from 1) his previous career in the MSM 2) the footage of him acting as Katy Perry’s handler 3) the way Youtube would constantly recommend his videos while every other alt-source was relentllessly shadow-banned. To gibe one specific – Brand was editing the New Statesman when it published an article by Noel Gallagher on why he still liked Tony Blair… in 2013.

Corarden
Corarden
Sep 17, 2023 12:33 PM
Reply to  Edwige

Right on target Edwige

YourPointBeing
YourPointBeing
Sep 17, 2023 3:20 PM
Reply to  Edwige

Nail, head.

Shed no tears for this charlatan/clown

Clutching at straws
Clutching at straws
Sep 17, 2023 4:03 PM
Reply to  Edwige

Could it be that he was naive enough to convince himself that telling the truth would protect him ?

Clive Williams
Clive Williams
Sep 17, 2023 2:35 PM

Tis 16, only uni dotties make a meal over it.

YourPointBeing
YourPointBeing
Sep 17, 2023 3:29 PM

I’ve watched them.
He is a stuck up ponce with “33” tattooed on his arm.
If you look on wikispooks for the definition of “controlled opposition”, it says “Russell Brand”

Clutching at straws
Clutching at straws
Sep 17, 2023 4:06 PM
Reply to  YourPointBeing

Controlled opposition maybe.

But I truly believe he didn’t know that he was being controlled.

Balkydj
Balkydj
Sep 21, 2023 7:13 PM

So what yer’ saying is, done up like a Kipper, dressed as a Red Herring…

Angling for Redemption from his fishy past wiv’ ‘is’Kate, on thin ice, out
Hunting Trout ? Sounds perfectly Plausible.

What about MIDAZOLAM? Given that Neil Oliver is getting grief from
That Edinburgh Society ?

Placental_Mammal
Placental_Mammal
Sep 17, 2023 9:38 AM

Resonates

The Salandria quote that resonates most with me is this one :

 “I’m afraid we were misled,” Salandria said sadly. “All the critics, myself included, were misled very early. I see that now. We spent too much time and effort microanalyzing the details of the assassination when all the time it was obvious, it was blatantly obvious that it was a conspiracy. Don’t you think the men who killed Kennedy had the means to do it in the most sophisticated and subtle way? They chose not to. Instead, they picked the shooting gallery that was Dealey Plaza and did it in the most barbarous and openly arrogant manner. The cover story was transparent and designed not to hold, to fall apart at the slightest scrutiny. The forces that killed Kennedy wanted the message clear: ‘We are in control and no one — not the President, not Congress, nor any elected official — no one can do anything about it.’ It was a message to the people that their Government was powerless. And the people eventually got the message. Consider what happened since the Kennedy assassination. People see government today as unresponsive to their needs, yet the budget and power of the military and intelligence establishment have increased tremendously.

Placental_Mammal
Placental_Mammal
Sep 17, 2023 9:58 AM

The men who killed Kennedy

Salandria couldn’t of course name the men who killed JFK, his two siblings and his son. The men who framed a third sibling in the Chappaquiddick psyop. It wasn’t a handful of individuals but a movement that goes back three millennia and posibly more. Michael Collins Piper did a great deal of research but his hypothesis relating mainly to a certain nation’s nuclear ambitions did not go far enough. The Kennedy family was marked for destruction when it’s patriarch Joe Kennedy sr opposed the launching of WW2.JFK’s opposition to ben Gurion may have been the last straw but the first was Joe sr’s stance prior to WW2. It also seems inescapable to me that JFK was put into the presidential position mainly to get arch Zionist LBJ into power, getting bloody revenge at the same time. LBJ was everyting that the rising Middle Eastern power needed. He did nothing to slow their weapons program. The sunk the enquiry into the USS Liberty incident. He undoubtedly encouraged and supported the six day war.

Placental_Mammal
Placental_Mammal
Sep 17, 2023 10:00 AM

He sunk…..

Balkydj
Balkydj
Sep 21, 2023 9:25 PM

@P_Mammal
He sunk
She sunk

You sank
Yourself, in my
Estimation.

Not that I’m in any denial of what you’ve stated, even I could amplify very considerably upon what you’ve said , regarding a certain nation & prior to the Balfour Declaration of 1917 and the foundation of Central Banking & Bolsheviks: but, given that you would only accuse me of being a “Gatekeeper”, again, there’s no point in trying to communicate with a placental mammal that has the mental brain capacity of a fucking sparrow, who in turn could actually be an employed gamekeeper, not just a gatekeeper ! No shit, Sherlock…
My grandfather received the S.o.S from the RMS Titanic in Wales and his
Radio, (situated in a Pyramid), fell silent again, in July 1946, speaking with Military HQ. situated in the King David Hotel basement in Jerusalem, destroyed by Irgun, with a bomb blast killing all his colleagues from N.Africa: where they had all been working together on Black Ops. with Menachim Begin. Stick that in your pipe and smoke it. Gamekeeper ! ?
Or Gatekeeper, absent any remorse, unforgivable…

SeamusPadraig
SeamusPadraig
Sep 17, 2023 4:34 PM

Papa Joe was based!

Erik Nielsen
Erik Nielsen
Sep 20, 2023 4:06 AM

It also mean this criminal gang has been in power in US since 1960.
Off course also decades or more before, but 1963 was the point this boundless evil and hypocrisy erased the last obstructions to their cancer tumor.

Balkydj
Balkydj
Sep 21, 2023 8:05 PM

@P.M. – Which is why I suggested to you that the best place to have already started upon, was the Controlled Demolition of so much Evidence held by Multiple Interconnected Governmental Agencies, related to the D.o.D. plus the IRS & SEC, all Situated within WTC7, which can be proven to be a Controlled Demolition: after the additional subsequent 4 whole years of Computer Modelling by The University of Fairbanks, Alaska… and what did you 🕵 shout Sherlock ?

G A T E K E E P E R !

To me, (as someone who had worked for the CEO of B.P. when we were buying H.A.A.R.P. from ARCO, which required the APPROVAL of the D.O.D. and was completed with very specific conditions… added to which, my time spent chauffeuring key Figures, their kids and the White House Communications Centre, from Air Force One in Kloten to Davos, in the 90’s) all made you sound like a camp fire Pot head, calling the Kettle Black, see ?

And you never answered me back, did you… GATEKEEPER !

Does that resonate with you, too ? Either you are capable of connecting Enron, Monsanto,
GMO Drought Resistant Seed, HAARP & the D.O.D.’s declarations of “FORCE MULTIPLIERS” + Blackrock’s ALADDIN, the Chicago Mercantile Exchange and the creation of the first ever highly speculative Weather Derivative Fund Management & again ENRON, all in 1997 or you have the brains of a fucking sparrow ! or you could be just gatekeeping and ring fencing the fact that 1997 was also the year that Gordon Brown relinquished UK Governmental Control of U.K. interest rates to the B.o.E. in London’s Square Mile, outside UK Legal Jurisdiction , you tell me, Jack Sparrow brain or Gatekeeper ?

Where would you suggest we start any investigation: Mastermind ?

hotrod31
hotrod31
Sep 17, 2023 8:28 AM

It’s no mystery … at all. The evidence has always been available, just as it is with the Assange case. The only stumbling-block, is that the guilty OWN EVERY’ effing’ THING, i.e. the courts, the government, the ‘LAW’, the minds, etc. etc.
Moreover, ‘we’ ALL know it. they ALL know it, and, unfortunately, we’re too afraid to make them accountable for their actions. So, we turn the other cheek, and … wonder who will the crocodiles eat last?

Clutching at straws
Clutching at straws
Sep 17, 2023 9:24 AM
Reply to  hotrod31

What are we supposed to do when we’ve tried to tell people until we’re blue in the face and still they make that snorting noise and do that mocking laugh ?

Well, for my part, I’ve become immune to their willful ignorance.

It’s very encouraging when someone say’s “yeah, I know”

And it’s becoming more frequent !

wardropper
wardropper
Sep 17, 2023 9:07 PM
Reply to  hotrod31

I’m not afraid to make them accountable for their actions.
But who are they?
There are so many thousands of them by now that they can all easily hide behind each other.