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The Attack of the Pseudo-Men

Todd Hayen

I went to the local mall this weekend and seeing all the pseudo-men and pseudo-women walking around and seeing all the glittering products attempting to appeal to these people, I thought that I had to write an article about it.

I chose the pseudo-man to focus on because I am a man myself. (I have my man-faults, but attempting to be a pseudo-man I don’t think is one of them.) I also am not convinced being a pseudo-woman is all that prevalent in the culture. Although girls that appear to be pseudo-girls are common, that, in my humble opinion, is an entirely different thing.

“Pseudo” in this context implies “trying to be something you should be, but aren’t.”

What I see going on with young pubescent girls shows no attempt to be something they should be, they don’t seem to have any desire to be healthy, well integrated “girls.” It is more like they are trying, and for the most part succeeding, to be something the culture is defining for them. Which isn’t very pretty (literally and metaphorically).

I don’t feel there are many pseudo-women because women who are trying to be mature women generally succeed. Some don’t, I realize that, but I don’t see it as being as major of a problem as what I see happening with men.

Men, for the most part, don’t even know what being a man actually is (I am not so sure myself). Throughout history boys had to be trained and taught to be men. Girls don’t have to be taught to be women. They just know how to be one. It is in their bones.

Sure, the culture can try to trick them into believing they don’t know (take the radical women’s movement as an example of that trickery—oops, did I actually say that??) Maybe I will write an article to further explain all this about women some other time. I know so much about them (ha ha).

So, now that that is out of the way—explaining why this article is not about women or girls—let me get on with it.

What is a pseudo-man?

Assuming the assumption that boys have to be taught how to be men is correct, we will run into a problem if there are no men left to teach those boys. The agenda, or culture, has intentionally seen to that. There are very few mature men out there. The few that do remain are kind of in a state of shell shock. The last viable men in the culture probably disappeared sometime after the Second World War (when I say “culture” I am referring largely to North American culture, but we see this in other parts of the world as well).

This loss of men is due to a lot of things, some organically natural (such as, in this current culture, we have no place for a man to constellate his “warrior” archetype—except as a criminal) and many are developed and implemented by the agenda. A big one of those is the concept of “masculine toxicity.” A man must become accustomed to the use of his metaphoric sword. He must learn how to wield it, when to pull it partially out of its scabbard so the sun can glint off of its shiny surface into the eyes of his opponent, and when to pull it all the way out and start slashing. Men today either slash before thinking, or don’t even know they have a sword to begin with. The nefarious and malicious agenda wishes to label any use of a man’s sword as toxic (or even if he only just thinks of his sword, God forbid). Any aggression at all is considered toxic. Thus, we have “toxic masculinity”—or in other words, all men who are actually men, are toxic.

This is only one thing in many that renders a man emasculated. Since men are no longer taught to be men by the elders of the community (including their own fathers), he doesn’t even know what being a man is about. He may learn a bit from television, books, and movies, but usually these templates are not very reliable—and these days they are teaching all the wrong things). He does get some hints from the collective archetypes all humans carry within them, but men are “doers” and cannot wholly rely on subtle instinct-like murmurings hidden deep inside his psyche. Also, many of these subtle indicators are pushed down by the culture, which is rather bent on cutting off access to “manly instruction.”

Some of the things he has a difficult time accessing is how and when to be dangerously aggressive—he doesn’t know when to use that aggression or know when to keep it at bay. Many adult males do not know how to be a provider to his family. Many are still locked to mother and have no idea how to function autonomously and be separate from the mother archetype. Many do not know when to stop having “the boy” in them run their life.

Many have lost a sense of purpose, meaning, and direction. Many have no clue as to how to relate to the feminine embodied in their wives, girlfriends, or partners. Rather than relate to the feminine in their female partners with regard, respect, love, consideration, and cherish them as the precious entities they are, they relate to them as a boy relates to their mother—often with resentment, “mommy love,” anger, or dependence on them as a “golden child” expecting mother to do everything for them.

Many men today had tyrant fathers, or fathers who were never present and emotionally available. They may have had alcoholics for fathers, narcissists, or fathers passive to their medusa mothers. So the father was not in their life as a mentor and a teacher to teach them how to be men.

The culture has all but destroyed masculinity. And in my opinion, again, I believe this is intentional. Gender/sex in general has been decimated intentionally. Family has been decimated. Being an organic human has been decimated. Motherhood has nearly been decimated, although that one is a tough one to kill, and is even coming back to a degree after the radical “feminists” nearly eliminated it (oh gosh, I said it again!)

So, what are pseudo-men then?

The pseudo-man is one who has some inkling of what at least appears to make a man a man and goes out and tries to dress himself up in behaviours and yes, even clothes and accoutrements, that make him appear to be a man.

This is the man who “compensates” for the things he is not really aware he is missing. These men are certainly not conscious of what they are missing, in fact, a lot of their impulses are natural compensations. Some of them are indeed caused by pathology and past trauma (like the domestically violent man) but most are benign and although in and of themselves these compensations are harmless, they cover up something that in the long run if remained covered can indeed be harmful—not only to others, but to the man himself dressing himself as a pseudo-man.

Examples? Well, the obvious ones are clothes, shoes, watches, jewelry, fast noisy cars, motorcycles, tattoos, jet skis, boats, and guns, as well as many other material things. Behaviors? Being the tough guy, fighting, crime, drugs, domestic violence, misogyny, drinking, cheating on their partner, porn, non-stop video gamer, excessive working out, and picking up women, among others. These are all things that have on the surface the “man thing” about them, but do not actually represent a “superior man.”

What constitutes the “real man” as opposed to the “pseudo-man”? Sacrifice, restraint, honesty, loyalty, dedication, being present, holding their partner’s emotions, taking care of their body in a balanced way, respect, monogamy, work, a capable listener, a critical independent mind, defining oneself from within rather than externally, a purpose driven life, empathy—and many more, but you get the picture.

Pseudo-men are everywhere, and God love the poor pitiful beasts, most of them are desperately trying. Some of them are mucking things up quite a bit, but most of them are just lost and trying things that may, for a moment, make them feel like men, but ultimately, they will slip right back down to the bottom of the pole. And as I said, I blame the agenda/culture for this, not always the men themselves. The agenda want men to think they are men, so it supplies them with all the consumer delights, bells and whistles with the promise a man will feel and look like the real thing.

After a few generations of beating the “man” out of “men” there is no one left to teach the new boys coming up—no one but the agenda itself, and we all know what they are after, and it certainly is not to create a strong male in our crumbling society. Strong males cannot be as easily controlled.

Todd Hayen is a registered psychotherapist practicing in Toronto, Ontario, Canada. He holds a PhD in depth psychotherapy and an MA in Consciousness Studies. He specializes in Jungian, archetypal, psychology. Todd also writes for his own substack, which you can read here

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Lupa
Lupa
Dec 15, 2023 6:23 AM

On Substack:
Coming of Age — A Father/Son DialogueCHARLES EISENSTEIN
DEC 14
I didn’t play it but Charles E always good.

John Ervin
John Ervin
Dec 8, 2023 7:33 PM

LOVE IS IN THE HEART NOT IN THE BODY” she devoutly purred, In her strength of soul.

“Let the word go forth, from this time and place…” that such thoughts as hers, or rather beliefs, (truly), carry the great torch in their “hounding” teeth* for all these deeper things to our brothers and sisters now, and for all future generations.

“The Hound* of Heaven” by Francis Thompson.

* Domini Canes**

** d’après un rêve de Senora Guzman, mère/madre de Santo Domingo (de Guzman),

BUENA FIESTA DE LA CONCEPCIÓN IMMACULADA

[“Glad Tidings” from Saint Francis of Assisi Church, Vista, California]

12.8.23

[Otra vez: 43 Anniversario de John Lennon]

John Ervin
John Ervin
Dec 8, 2023 7:43 PM
Reply to  John Ervin

** Yet furthermore:

In the earliest narrative source, by Jordan of Saxony, Dominic’s parents are not named. The story is told that before his birth his barren mother made a pilgrimage to the Abbey at Silos, and dreamt that a dog leapt from her womb carrying a flaming torch in its mouth, and seemed to set the earth on fire. This story is likely to have emerged when his order became known, after his name, as the Dominican order, Dominicanus in Latin, and a play on words interpreted as Domini canis: “Dog of the Lord.”[2]

John Ervin
John Ervin
Dec 8, 2023 8:02 PM
Reply to  John Ervin

A famous legend of the saint has him in devout prayer [often in that great spiritual magnet, our Lady of Paris, aka the capital cathedral, Notre Dame (de Paris)* ] when the Patronne de La Cathédrale appeared to him, via some vision, and showed him the many monastic Orders of the Church, each led by their respective founders ahead of vast throngs, Francis, Ignatius, Augustine, Bénédict etc.

Dominic beheld his own Order, but neither he nor anyone he knew was at its head. He wondered ruefully about this, and asked Her about his absence in the presenting vision.

Her answer was short and direct: “I am the leader of your Order.”

Hence their alias lo these 8 centuries as “The Brothers of Mary”

*Just 7 centuries and change later, Free French Général Charles de Gaulle attended Mass the evening of the day of the Liberation of Paris, 1944, at the Cathédrale. As he walked to the Communion rail, in his paces as the “Asparagus” so named, he was fired upon by hidden Nazi snipers from on high, sequestered naztily in the upper level, bullets ricocheting all around him without result.

Sounds either a little too Hollywood, or else one of the many stories centuries worth of miracles there?

The General himself has been chronicled by some historians to have survived over 30 attempts on his life in the 1960s, all reputedly schemed by everyone’s favorite agency, C👁️A.

So, you never know.

John Ervin
John Ervin
Dec 8, 2023 8:28 PM
Reply to  John Ervin

Ah, yet no sub-thread such as this would be complete without the immortal ballad-as-tone-poem by everyone’s favorite frequently recovering alcoholic poet Francis Thompson, andThe Hound of Heaven“:

http://www.houndofheaven.com/poem

John Ervin
John Ervin
Dec 8, 2023 8:59 PM
Reply to  John Ervin

PPS NB: And voilà everyone’s favorite Effing (flocking) “Ugly American” Bill Crush [Mickey Rourke] on the brink of a self-made holiday disaster:

https://youtu.be/BqoP0NMK_to?si=R8gqeLXHcZ9bzKdq

Wango64
Wango64
Dec 5, 2023 6:16 PM

I think this is well written with excellent points. A movement to promote traditional masculinity is way past due. Needless to say it will be viciously attacked.

Todd Hayen
Todd Hayen
Dec 5, 2023 8:29 PM
Reply to  Wango64

As it has to some degree here.

John Ervin
John Ervin
Dec 7, 2023 12:20 AM
Reply to  Wango64

But here’s the rub: I’ve always been a counterintuitive contrarian, but I really, honestly, believe that a reduction, not increase enhancers, of testosterone, coupled with a corresponding increase of social gospel spirit, of leading from the true heart, true love, will yield the harvest of true manhood we seek for us, and others. [Hell, if there are women now who can act out a masculine ethos better than many in our fraternity can muster, what’s the good of Viagra’s anyway. Just beating a dead horse.]

I was in an awkward situation scenario 40 years ago with a room service waiter who was showing me around the Registry Hotel near John Wayne Intl Airport, and we stepped into an elevator with an attractive 30ish hotel service staff member, Latina and very well behaved, lovely manners. Just us two guys and her in the wee hours, and almost immediately the fellow I was with started drooling and staring, aggressing her with his vibes and manner. I’ve been in that awkward spot a few times, and usually make some protest on behalf of the damsel in distress. But after 5 or 10 10 seconds when I had the feeling he might almost step over the line in a criminal way, to my shock she anticipated him by staring him calmly and directly in the eye and saying in a becoming way but firmly, “Love is in the heart, not in the body.”

WOW!

I THINK IF I GET A TATTOO I’M GOING TO EMBLAZING THAT ON MY CHEST, IN THE VICINITY OF MY HEART.

Hardly even a wrench in his wheels, he wasn’t deterred by that, very visibly at all, though I imagine it left its mark, somewhere.

She seems like she’d seen it all and wasn’t intimidated even slightly, I imagine that ruffled his feathers of male ego even more.

After he made some other comment of an obnoxious kind, I at last raised my voice just enough to make my thoughts known and on the recor ~

“Did you HEAR what she just said?! Cut it out. We apologize ma’am. I’m sure he’ll snap out of it.”

A couple weeks later Barry Manilow was staying at the hotel, a regular, often doing concerts nearby, and it was impressed upon me by management that Barry insisted his morning toast be buttered on both sides. Well, amidst all other hubbub of the kind, I forgot the extra butter, and was promptly fired, a few days in that aftermath.

Reminds me of Bill Crush (Mickey Rourke) in Polanski’s new movie, opening 6 weeks ago, “The Palace“.

It got a 3 minutes standing ovation at the Venice Film Festival, featured there, yet so badly panned in North America by “critics” that no one will distribute it here, and so it got a truly shocking but not surprising 0% on the tomatometer at Rotten Tomatoes. I had never seen that before this. Such unslaked glee, for me! Crying, rolling.

[You can easily tell which review sites are pimped out as key Intel disinfo, just by noting all the speechless sputtering at them all about Polanski. One said, like, too bad he can’t get any big name stars now, poor scoundrel.]

John Cleese, a no name? [The Monty malcontent who refused a knighthood from the late queen? See clip below for some of his serious faux Texan slapstick in The Palace ~ Gstaad Swiss resort.]

Maybe RP touched a nerve? Ruffled an even bigger feather, bigly.

Incredible. And such a frenzy of Yankee cum cowboy virtue signaling….

Polanski’s 2020 masterpiece, “An Officer and a Spy“, more interesting by far than his “The Pianist,” got 76% there in 2020, (RT), which makes sense, even downplaying it, as important as the theme, what with 12 nominations at the French Oscars (Césars), while winning him Best Director, and his star, Best Actor ~ despite all the heavily politicized hysteria (and whether or not he really was set up early and often, since childhood, by honest-to-goodness Naztis, a fascinating and untold storyline shtraight outta Odessa/$pinne ~ and “allies” in L.A ________ And globally).

John Ervin
John Ervin
Dec 7, 2023 12:46 AM
Reply to  John Ervin

Voilà les deux Cleese clips from October’s film “The Palace”. Seems better than 0% fresh rating on the Rotten Tomatometer

https://youtu.be/FpmCJ_1QMSU?si=zAoNIXnca7kv8IE_

https://youtu.be/yH8PLgc6Ml0?si=pTBqSKK8YbOkESJQ

John Ervin
John Ervin
Dec 7, 2023 7:24 AM
Reply to  John Ervin

Erratum:

Odessa (sic) should read O.D.E.$.$.A.

That clears up any conflation

$chutz $taffel

[ = $$]

Hele
Hele
Dec 5, 2023 6:28 AM

Here is a fellow detailing what feminists are dealing with today and it ain’t pretty – new western crop of Taliban- tranny men beating and silencing women.
https://grahamlinehan.substack.com/p/a-week-in-the-war-on-women-monday-65f

Skinnymouse
Skinnymouse
Dec 5, 2023 10:45 PM
Reply to  Hele

What! I did not see any of what you are saying in Todd’s article.

Hele
Hele
Dec 5, 2023 6:20 AM

Instead of this trite, weak op ed. How about offering your readers some pieces written by these interesting women:
Katherine Stock
“Mostly devoted to clawing feminism back from the idiots that ruined it. Some other things too.”
Jennifer Bilek
Who is behind the Transgender

Todd Hayen
Todd Hayen
Dec 5, 2023 3:25 PM
Reply to  Hele

I find it interesting that you seem totally focused on the comments in this article about women, or more precisely, the feminine. The “trite, weak op ed” here is not about that, it is about men, which seems clear you don’t know much about.

Yes, let’s have some women write about women. Maybe women will write something not so trite.

Lupa
Lupa
Dec 10, 2023 11:04 AM
Reply to  Todd Hayen

Oi vey, no I’m not Jewish but it is Chanukah, I just feel all icky when that voice in my head sez: “Even if u not crazy abt it u say truth, right?”
This is a good back to Rob Bly w/o all the drumming offshoot.
I don’t know why would bring up KATHLEEN Stock. The article addresses what it addrs, finding some more useful ways to be masculine.
Women don’t want to always be referenced via “male” and so men don’t want “female” reference all the time.
It just makes sense to me.

Skinnymouse
Skinnymouse
Dec 5, 2023 9:19 PM
Reply to  Hele

This article is most certainly NOT trite. Todd is writing about men for heavens sakes. Yes, of course women should write about women but that is not the point of the article. Geez

nostradrama
nostradrama
Dec 5, 2023 12:13 AM

testosterone

Lost in a dark wood
Lost in a dark wood
Dec 4, 2023 11:57 PM

One real woman and a multitude of hollow, so-called “men”.

Kay Griggs Interview 1998

Katherine Pollard Griggs, former wife of Marine Corps Colonel George Griggs learned about her husband’s job. Her husband would drink too much and he started talking openly about the real workings of the U.S. military, leadership training, drug-running and weapons sales, and the secret worldwide camps that train professional assassins. His stories were about murder, corruption, assassinations, and government lies. After he disappeared for a short time, she began receiving threats and decided to tell her story.
Kay is a professing Christian and was married to Marine Corps Colonel George Griggs in the late 1980s, who raised to an influential position as Chief of Staff. She came to realize that he was entirely mind-controlled. He abused and battered her when he drank.
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The Fleecer
The Fleecer
Dec 4, 2023 9:36 PM

“Sacrifice, restraint, honesty, loyalty, dedication, being present, holding their partner’s emotions, taking care of their body in a balanced way, respect, monogamy, work, a capable listener, a critical independent mind, defining oneself from within rather than externally, a purpose driven life, empathy” gee don’t you think that’s a bit onerous? Most adult males care for their loved ones and give everything they can for them. There are many cliches we have programmed into us from childhood. There are many males who just do the blokey stuff and they’re fine. A small percentage are psychopaths and they ruin it for everyone else, get lots of pussy and generally turn out to be heroes. There is definitely an agenda to turn all males into compliant lady boys. Strong groups of men can use their violence against violence. Its a wonderful cycle

John Ervin
John Ervin
Dec 4, 2023 3:54 PM

Still: one more perspective, from olden days:

“To be a woman is something so strange, so confusing and so complicated that only a woman could put up with it.”

— Soren Kierkegaard

Lost in a dark wood
Lost in a dark wood
Dec 4, 2023 4:36 PM
Reply to  John Ervin

Kierkegaard was a total shit!

John Ervin
John Ervin
Dec 5, 2023 1:24 AM

Didn’t know the man. He said a number of very penetrating and illuminating things, maybe as DIY self-help, which figures into even the greatest books. So, glad he did that much.

As the Angelic Doctor put it, “Truth is truth, wherever it may be found.”

Even as a salvage op from Scheiße! (Pardon the scent.)

Erik Nielsen
Erik Nielsen
Dec 5, 2023 5:21 AM

John Holmes was a mini dikker compared to me.

Lupa
Lupa
Dec 11, 2023 2:49 AM
Reply to  Erik Nielsen

Oh well, someone needs a cold shower/hosedown.

Karen Elliott
Karen Elliott
Dec 4, 2023 12:25 PM

Seriously… blaming the infantilization of men on radical feminists? I was a girl growing up in the 60s, when the boys around me actually thought they were better than me on the grounds of their sex. Then as a young woman in the 70s, my value as a woman was defined by how attractive men found me. Radical feminism came from a place of necessity – the infantilization of men, given their attitude to half the human race, had already started a long time ago. Men have joined women in being powerless at the hands of the elite. We should all be looking to strengthen our agency as human beings.

Todd Hayen
Todd Hayen
Dec 4, 2023 4:41 PM
Reply to  Karen Elliott

First of all, I didn’t “blame” the infantilization of men on the radical feminist movement, I said it was a contributing factor. And it is, quite seriously so. But men still hold the responsibility of shedding that influence.

Also, in general, my articles and comments are observations of the archetypal elements of men and women and the feminine and masculine aspects of each. The culture does indeed have a lot of power in pushing archetypal functions away from their natural tracks.

And yes, men indeed have joined women in being powerless at the “hands of the elite”. The agenda trumps any “power” the archetypes may or may not possess.

Karen Elliott
Karen Elliott
Dec 4, 2023 9:04 PM
Reply to  Todd Hayen

I could have accepted my lowly status – instead I chose to fight for my rights to be a whole person. I sacrificed some things I would have rather had but given the cards I was dealt I made the right choice. But capitalism is more vicious and adaptable than I thought. Feminism is no longer anything other than pretending that the weaknesses of being a victim is a strength of some kind, and men have been fooled into taking on these self defeating tendencies themselves.

Todd Hayen
Todd Hayen
Dec 5, 2023 3:26 PM
Reply to  Karen Elliott

I admire you.

Lupa
Lupa
Dec 11, 2023 3:38 AM
Reply to  Todd Hayen

Since the elites’ agenda has to do with transhumanism, figuring out the balance of the archetypes within ourselves is helpful.

Karen Elliott
Karen Elliott
Dec 18, 2023 9:32 PM
Reply to  Lupa

Absolutely. Transhumanism requires us to give up ourselves. Confusion, our loss of identities as simple and real as being men and women is important for their project.

Skinnymouse
Skinnymouse
Dec 5, 2023 9:25 PM
Reply to  Karen Elliott

Your narrative of the 60s and 70s is about what I experienced as well…but gosh, in my interpretation of this article, Todd is not blaming feminists on men being what they are today. I loved the article and as a former feminist I would have been insulted (!) if he had alluded to blaming feminists for the state of men at this point in time.

Vinnyvette
Vinnyvette
Dec 6, 2023 12:01 AM
Reply to  Skinnymouse

Hayen stop being a pussy. Without the negative influence of toxic feminism over the past 60 years, and the constant push to feminize boys and men, men would still be “classically men! Women are responsible for the wussification of men, and the weak men who allowed to progress share “some responsibility.” Man up and stop allowing this Karen to dominate you.

Sam - Admin2
Admin
Sam - Admin2
Dec 6, 2023 12:57 AM
Reply to  Vinnyvette

I notice you don’t engage with Karen Elliot yourself, rather you hide behind Hayen, egging him on (completely redundantly, since no one even gave ground in the above exchange, it was just an intelligent exchange of perspectives)!

I suspect you’re nothing but an attention seeking troll, tbh, who lacks courage or basic good manners. Not very ‘manly’ of you, it could be said. A2

Lupa
Lupa
Dec 11, 2023 3:08 AM
Reply to  Karen Elliott

BIG yes to the last 2 sentences cuz it’s past the 11th hour.
There’s been quite a bit of that “blaming radical feminists” for men’s “infantilization” or as other commenter calls it “wussification”. When it’s used as an off handed glaring generaliztion blaming, it’s messed up.
But here it’s in perspective but it still bugs me.

Marfanoid
Marfanoid
Dec 3, 2023 8:44 PM

Uruguay.hee hee.

rubberheid
rubberheid
Dec 3, 2023 7:50 PM

this is click bait amigos.

we are a bit late in the day to be discussing de-masculinsation are we not?

much as the article is interesting, …

Men? what men? simps, gimps and corporate goons . . .

ochone,

Lost in a dark wood
Lost in a dark wood
Dec 3, 2023 1:06 PM

I chose the pseudo-man to focus on because . . .

Because otherwise you’d have to give an example of the “real”!

What constitutes the “real man” as opposed to the “pseudo-man”? Sacrifice, restraint, honesty, loyalty, dedication, being present, holding their partner’s emotions, taking care of their body in a balanced way, respect, monogamy, work, a capable listener, a critical independent mind, defining oneself from within rather than externally, a purpose driven life, empathy—and many more, but you get the picture.

No, I don’t get the picture. All you’ve done is compile a list of socially esteemed attributes which have never existed together in any individual person.

niko
niko
Dec 4, 2023 1:30 AM

Real men lay claim to what constitutes human virtue, to the exclusion of women (I mean birthing people). Man! Looks like the same old patriarchal picture of divide-and-rule gender conditioning.

Todd Hayen
Todd Hayen
Dec 4, 2023 4:42 PM

Too bad for that, eh?

Lost in a dark wood
Lost in a dark wood
Dec 5, 2023 1:33 PM
Reply to  Todd Hayen

Your ideal “real” man is a wishful thinking fantasy and you accuse other people of being pseudo!

brian of nazareth
brian of nazareth
Dec 3, 2023 9:05 AM

In many areas of life, machines are doing the work that previously required human labour. Feeling unfit and unfulfilled after work? Well go to the gym, there are more machines there that will waste your energy and give you a temporary feeling of empowerment. Bored of playing computer games? Become a farmer, maybe that will be more fun. Then you discover that large agricultural machinery is also mainly controlled with a joystick. How about forestry? Er, mechanical tree harvester has also got a joystick waiting for your clammy hand.
The tragedy of the machine age is that opportunities for men to do challenging physical work on a daily basis have almost vanished. This has led to a crisis in physical and mental health for many, with a nagging emptiness that just can’t be filled with shopping, eating and fucking.

rubberheid
rubberheid
Dec 3, 2023 7:18 PM

not a bad remark at all,

the other reality of that manly grasp of life you describe, over decades, is a fukt body, don’t talk healthy lifestyles when your knuckles don’t work properly through years of tools and hand held motorbikes and cold, wet weather . .!!!

but, as said, you’re pretty bang on.

i do not decry the manly life, but it takes its toll.

show me the joypad, lol,

but that will neither earth nor soothe, yes.

mgeo
mgeo
Dec 4, 2023 7:44 AM

Some machinery allows us to cut down our exposure to danger at work. However, much of the large machinery in use implies that many small-scale operators were crushed by big money and and rigged competition.

Bob the Hod
Bob the Hod
Dec 4, 2023 2:55 PM

Which is why I became a hod carrier and then a bricklayer in my early 30s after overcoming addiction. There’s a real shortage of skilled tradesmen out there, which is why my wages are pretty good now, too. Bricks cannot be laid by a machine, they’ve tried, and it doesn’t work.

The fact is that most men are too mentally weak and soft and physically unable/unfit to do the work that I do. I have no boss, and no cunt tells me what to do. I graft my arse off so that my wife can graft hers off raising our kids at home. I instill those values in my son and I hope he will follow me into the trade. I’ve told him he will always have a job if he’s willing to graft.

Todd Hayen
Todd Hayen
Dec 4, 2023 3:53 PM
Reply to  Bob the Hod

Good for you. Excellent comment. Bricklaying, and other such trades, not only require a physical acumen, but also requires a subjective skill and awareness. Perfect combination.

Bob the Hod
Bob the Hod
Dec 5, 2023 3:17 PM
Reply to  Todd Hayen

They require an understanding of mathematics, basic physics, spacial awareness, the ability to understand abstract concepts and to bring those concepts into physical reality, problem solving, logic and reasoning skills. The trades we were told weren’t worth anything and that we ought to avoid and go the University instead to pay for a degree so that we can sit in an office and do some bullshit make work will actually teach you way more useful knowledge and practical skills than most education will. The skills involved tend to be male centric. That’s not to say that women can’t be skilled in those ways too, it’s just that they tend to be more intrinsic to men, which, along with a huge advantage in upper body strength, a basic prerequisite in my trade, is why 99.9% of bricklayers are men.

Quitting booze, becoming a hod carrier and then a father and a husband is what has made a man of me, and along the way, keeping myself in a great state of fitness through training and nutrition is a constant in my life.

The advice about being a man that my grandfathers and my father gave to me was very good advice and I know there aren’t many men around now who would give the same advice to their sons and grandsons, although I feel our numbers are growing.

As for women, there aren’t many women around like my mother, who is never afraid to get her hands dirty, is absolutely honest in that what you see is what you get with her. Many women around where I live are all plastic tits, lip fillers, tattoos, social media addiction and as a result they are utterly terrible mothers with nothing in the way of resilience, compassion or self awareness, are dishonest, selfish, entitled and untrustworthy.

The reason why as a society we are where we are is down to men and women being easily duped into thinking that the world owes them something, that we can have it all for free, on tick and pay no consequence for our selfish impulses. It’s down to people buying into consumerism as an ideologically driven way of life that has made fools and slaves of us all. Feminism bought into the idea that work makes you free. Now where have I heard that phrase before?

Women going to work instead of being at home raising kids and keeping a house in order has been great for those at the top. Double the workforce, half the wages for everyone. I have no doubt that a good mother raising kids is the single most undervalued thing in our society, and in my opinion, a real man will do all that he can to ensure that the mother of his children can be devoted to that task for the first few years of the child’s life and will give her all the help and support that she needs as well, and above all, really listen to her. I know that isn’t always easy for us fellas.

Because if she’s a real women, listening to you will be easy for her.

Ordinary men and women are on the same side. We can’t exist without each other. The only “us and them” is us, who actually make society function, and them, the parasitical ruling elite.

Todd Hayen
Todd Hayen
Dec 4, 2023 3:55 PM

One, and I say ONE, of the primary tenets of masculinity is the manipulation of matter, i.e., physical work. And yes, machines are taking that job. It is definitely a problem.

Johnny
Johnny
Dec 3, 2023 8:51 AM

Where are the modern role models of humility, openness, good humour and outspokenness?

Stomped on by Capitalschism and the plagues of greed and narcissism.

The precipice can’t be far away.

Hele
Hele
Dec 3, 2023 7:34 AM

This piece is so weak.Usual tropes about mothers and radical feminists.
‘And as I said, I blame the agenda/culture for this, not always the men themselves. The agenda want men to think they are men, so it supplies them with all the consumer delights, bells and whistles with the promise a man will feel and look like the real thing”

Though, “Girls don’t have to be taught to be women. They just know how to be one. It is in their bones”.Wow.
Somehow females manage to dodge and not be susceptible and exposed to the same forces the author mentions in the above quote.
Too many stereotypes -unbelievable.

Todd Hayen
Todd Hayen
Dec 4, 2023 3:51 PM
Reply to  Hele

Even when women are complimented it is perceived as an insult….

Skinnymouse
Skinnymouse
Dec 5, 2023 10:56 PM
Reply to  Hele

I am trying to figure out where you see narratives about mothers and radical feminists. Where do you see stereotypes?You are making statements based on things that are not in the article.

Paul
Paul
Dec 3, 2023 7:23 AM

You cannot tell a real man by appearance alone. Some of the most ‘manly’ looking men are the least manly in reality – fearful and in complete submission to their women. Also first to don the face mask.

Sam - Admin2
Admin
Sam - Admin2
Dec 3, 2023 3:03 PM
Reply to  Paul

Is a man’s level of submissiveness to a women really a gauge? Perhaps this definition of ‘manly’ is a tad bit brutish/archaic? I think this sort of thing gets touched on in Todd’s piece. To my mind, unless we’re able to balance the forces of male/female with mutual respect, free from a ’pseudo masculine’ combative/competitive dynamic, or a ‘railing against mother’ dynamic, mankind is kept in a primitive state and more resembles mating orangutans than anything else, despite our affectations to the contrary.

What a great piece from Todd, in fact! Really got me thinking and unravelling! A2

rechenmacher
rechenmacher
Dec 4, 2023 11:56 AM
Reply to  Sam - Admin2

Praising your author’s text? Bit of overselling, is it not?

Sam - Admin2
Admin
Sam - Admin2
Dec 4, 2023 12:06 PM
Reply to  rechenmacher

Todd Hayen is an independent author, not ‘ours’. I happen to think this piece from him is great.

Try processing your negativity rather than offloading it. A2

Paul
Paul
Dec 5, 2023 1:21 PM
Reply to  Sam - Admin2

It’s certainly a marker. Sounds like you’re denying our basic differences, our complementary strengths.
What’s a less primitive state, ‘evolving’ to blur the differences between the two? That’s what the culture is trying to do..

Sam - Admin2
Admin
Sam - Admin2
Dec 5, 2023 5:06 PM
Reply to  Paul

I personally question whether a ‘warrior archetype’, as Hayen puts it so well, or any other masculine archetype, need be thought of as antithetical to subservience to a woman. A good soldier serving a queen is no less a ‘man’ than by serving a king. I personally think the masculine/feminine synergy comes in many combinations. Some wives wear the ‘trousers’, as it were, and some husbands are very happy with that, and perhaps still more would be if they didn’t feel culturally judged. Perhaps it comes down to whether we embrace our inner chimp or our inner bonobo? Who knows, but I personally think it’s far more complex than your initial remark would imply. A2

Todd Hayen
Todd Hayen
Dec 5, 2023 5:24 PM
Reply to  Sam - Admin2

It is clear you understand this very well. Right on with your comment. I would say that what it comes down to is being conscious of the archetypes we choose to constellate, and being conscious of the ones we choose to not embrace. Consciousness is what makes deviations work.

If we have chosen to move in a certain path, we must be aware of the pull of the unconscious, archetypal, path we are being compelled to follow that we resist.

Sam - Admin2
Admin
Sam - Admin2
Dec 5, 2023 5:34 PM
Reply to  Todd Hayen

Very much agreed, and thank you! Your compliment is praise indeed! A2

Paul
Paul
Dec 5, 2023 9:23 PM
Reply to  Sam - Admin2

You know I’m a Christian. I follow God’s blueprint, I do not follow the cultural one.
It’s true that men submit to their wives as well. We are required to lay down our lives for them. Notice I said ‘complete’ submission.
It’s a question of authority. The authority is male.
It’s only the culture that views this as ‘problematic’. Most women prefer not being the leader/authority, even if they’re being programmed otherwise.
A man in complete submission to his woman is not fulfilling his manly role. A woman can’t respect such a man.

Sam - Admin2
Admin
Sam - Admin2
Dec 5, 2023 10:01 PM
Reply to  Paul

We can agree, in part, if we also include that a woman in complete submission to her man is not fulfilling her womanly role either, and nor can a man respect such a woman. I do think it’s misleading to address this topic in those terms, however. There are different lenses through which to view ‘authority’, and yours seems to be a masculine lens. A traditional lens, tied to your faith.

If a man’s life is forfeit, if he’d sacrifice himself to protect his family, can’t he also be viewed as expendable? Like a silver back gorilla, he may blow hard and think he’s in charge, he may even be granted that illusion by wilier females/subservient males, but ultimately he’s next for the chop, he’s a sacrifice waiting to happen, a muscle-bound prisoner of his own testosterone-driven urges.

(EDIT: Saying this, I also think a woman would sacrifice herself on instinct to save her man as well, given the right circumstances (no children that required protection). I think we’re a complex species, and it’s very interesting discussing it!)

In any case, I wasn’t really referring to submissiveness on such a primal level, and if you were then we were talking past each other!

Ultimately, I think a male and female lens are equally true and equally false, and each perspective is equally uncomfortable to the opposite sex. 😅

Vinnyvette
Vinnyvette
Dec 6, 2023 12:07 AM
Reply to  Sam - Admin2

You’re a simp!

Sam - Admin2
Admin
Sam - Admin2
Dec 6, 2023 12:34 AM
Reply to  Vinnyvette

You really don’t come across worldly enough to pass such a judgement when you gob off like a naughty school kid. 😅

Paul
Paul
Dec 6, 2023 6:22 PM
Reply to  Sam - Admin2

You are speaking in line with the current culture which argues there are no innate differences or moral blueprint for how either sex should act.
I am saying we are different, physically and biologically, and thus we have different strengths. Individuals and the relationships they are in do best when they can utilise those strengths to benefit one another.
If you’re in disagreement with that then we’re definitely talking past one another!
Men are required to lay down their lives, in a spiritual sense but physically if need be. I was indignant about this for years but now I know God, I understand it. It’s not like I should expect death unless I’m single. Isn’t it true that married men live longer than single ones?
But absolutely a real man would sacrifice himself to save a wife and children he loves.
Not to say that women don’t have to sacrifice – they do, but they do so in a different way.

John Ervin
John Ervin
Dec 8, 2023 6:10 PM
Reply to  Paul

There is a sort of Natural Law, however we sort it, and denying that leads to social & cultural morass(es) ( or maybe I meant “more asses,” I knew I meant something!)

A woman these days is allowed to say she’s aman, or at least she chooses to be, but she’s not, and fiddling with the original hardware doesn’t invert the whole original design.

GKC said something of pith about this, like,: We moderns have learned to do a great number of clever things now, and unless I am greatly mistaken we will need to learn to undo them.

Whatever else can be added or removed, Amen to that much.

Bob - Enough
Bob - Enough
Dec 3, 2023 4:44 PM
Reply to  Paul

May I add or even modify that; just talking from my own life.

I have found that instead of your generalisation of “Some of the most ‘manly’ looking men are the least manly in reality ” NO OFFENSE …

I would state that “Some of the most ‘manly’ looking AND TOUGH men are the nicest, most polite and at the risking of sounding LGBT – “gentle, caring and helpful” men I have known … because they have nothing to prove.

It is the wannabes that are the problem. My view only.

Todd Hayen
Todd Hayen
Dec 4, 2023 3:49 PM
Reply to  Bob - Enough

I agree.

John Ervin
John Ervin
Dec 3, 2023 11:25 PM
Reply to  Paul

It’s like Sun Tsu (“Art of War”) and/or Shigesuke (“Bushido”) said about warriors, that the best are not the most warlike.

Perhaps because real warfare, peacefare, and manhood in general are spiritual things.

“For we wrestle not with flesh and blood, but … with spiritual wickedness in high places.”

Paul
Paul
Dec 5, 2023 9:24 PM
Reply to  John Ervin

Amen.

Asstro Buoy
Asstro Buoy
Dec 3, 2023 1:44 AM

What happened to my comment. I use to praise this site for their excellent liberal posting policy. But time to time they delete my comments. They are as reasonable as they come so what the UCKF is going on?

Sam - Admin2
Admin
Sam - Admin2
Dec 3, 2023 1:06 PM
Reply to  Asstro Buoy

Says this is your first comment. Nothing has changed our side, btw. Please don’t worry. A2

Veri Tas
Veri Tas
Dec 2, 2023 11:15 PM

Nice. At the beginning I thought, Here we go again. But then, yea, I can see where this is coming from. Strength of character isn’t the same as being empty-headed vain show-offs or abusive bully boys. Well said, all of it.

John Ervin
John Ervin
Dec 2, 2023 10:46 PM

Thinking that is not rooted in awareness becomes self-serving and dysfunctional. Cleverness devoid of wisdom is extremely dangerous and destructive. That is the current state of most of humanity. The amplification of thought as science and technology, although intrinsically neither good nor bad, has also become destructive because so often the thinking out of which it comes has no roots in awareness. The next step in human evolution is to transcend thought. This is now our urgent task. It doesn’t mean not to think anymore, but simply not to be completely identified with thought, possessed by thought.

Eckhart Tolle, “Stillness Speaks”

https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/8573611-thinking-that-is-not-rooted-in-awareness-becomes-self-serving-and

Johnny
Johnny
Dec 2, 2023 11:00 PM
Reply to  John Ervin

As said Ramana Marharshi, Meher Baba, Barry Long and Douglas Harding, to name a few.

John Ervin
John Ervin
Dec 2, 2023 11:46 PM
Reply to  Johnny

Yes, I am very thankful to the dearly departed Roy Tuckman [1935 ~ 4.20.23] of KPFK.org L.A. for introducing me on his all night “Something’s Happening” radio show to Ramana Maharshi, a “captivating” sage, in many ways.

And, also, I first heard Eckhart Tolle there on his 11th (1159p) hr show in 2010 [I had been listening to Tuckman since the show’s inception in ’77, fyi Tuckman and his colleague Mintz were the only two American journalists allowed in by the Iranian captors to interview the American hostages in the late ’70s From about then he hosted his show here in SoCal 46 years throughout, all that so remarkable].

I had read a review of Tolle by an astute critic, some woman reviewer in UK, didn’t know the name, but found at online book reviews for him, who said,

“Whatever else Tolle is, he is a world class teacher.”

I found it all too easy to concur, as do many.

He brings to that tall task of inviting awareness the great value of a talent for synthesizing a prodigious number of sources, and then restates most all of it that is universal and vital. Not many can summon Maharshi, Zen masters, obscure poets, Thomist philosophers and St. Paul the Apostle in a single breath, or paragraph, and like a modernist symphonist or maestro “harmonize” all of it into a meaningful and significant whole. I read he finished first in his years at U of London, fwiw.

I remember Tuckman was shocked when he found his listening audiences did not vote Tolle among their tops “must hear” lecturers in 2011.

Me too, since I was disappointed he would thereby not play him quite as often. I found most everything he said riveting even when I had heard it elsewhere, but in different relationships to the strong ideas and practices.

Not to be deterred I found our superior local library, well endowed, had anthologies on audiobooks and print of most all of his writing and I could hear them even better thereby, being able to pause and Skip around as helpful.

Heck, nobody but those who were already fans reacted to my Tolle refs, when I told them, most said about his “The Power of Now” something like, “Man, that’s already all been said by gurus like Baba Ram Dass with his book and maxim “Be Here Now.” Missing something.

Well, but with a whole world of difference in his many exacting emphases. Enough, anyway.

The quote I posted is a great example of that, it really pinpoints our core and most vital mission, for mankind, as we grapple “in dubious battle” with those powers that refuse to pursue the arrow of spiritual evolution, preferring their joy in “things,” and in so doing have put the whole project of mankind’s future in such grave peril.

As he puts in his best-selling book title, a replay of Paul the Apostle’s creed: “What we await is a new heaven and…

“A New Earth.”

And then coordinates that with many diverse spiritual practices and perspectives.

Bringing it up to this hour, with a beguiling timeliness.

11th?

🙏

mgeo
mgeo
Dec 3, 2023 6:18 AM
Reply to  John Ervin

Without psychopaths, greed, insecurity, gullibility and hedonsim, there would be little tyranny, consumption, debt, devasttion, etc. There would be no capitalism. Tolle being voted up would require a marketing campaign. What would be the relevance of such a poll?

Johnny
Johnny
Dec 3, 2023 9:48 AM
Reply to  John Ervin

Tolle’s spiritual path was greatly influenced by Barry Long.
Barry was an Australian spiritual teacher who died in 2003.

Barry’s teachings were very much grounded in a spiritual/sexual awareness because he felt that much of mankind’s ignorance and problems came from our emphasis on sexuality rather than Love WITH sexuality. Our ‘Love Life’ as he called it.

Some folks find his teachings confronting, but he was always open about his way of attaining inner peace and awareness.

After all, we are all sexual beings on a spiritual path, whether we realise it or not.

ariel
ariel
Dec 3, 2023 2:59 PM
Reply to  John Ervin

Umm..the main point is not that Tolle or Ramana Maharishi (same word) can do it (or not) but that we (you and I) have to do it. Tame the reactive ego which is always worried about the ‘future’ which doesn’t exist as such, always thinking and planning, and enter the stillness, NOW.
There is a very strong current of opinion which actually believes that what we call that part of the ego is actually a spiritual/psychic parasite.
An hour’s sitting meditation (minimum) will swiftly show you where you’re at, Do it every day, or even better un-do it every day.
Follow the breath until it leaves you, then you will find out what you were NOT.

John Ervin
John Ervin
Dec 4, 2023 12:46 AM
Reply to  ariel

I Iike that! Breath is key of keys. Tolle says you can skip all the seminars just so long as you observe (notice, note) your breath for a year. I like that too, simple, honest and sage.

It makes you more aware of parasites as well, the better when one may do it well, and often, and provides a decent synonym for the much-worked “demons.”

John Ervin
John Ervin
Dec 8, 2023 6:16 PM
Reply to  ariel

[“Ummm” …. right back at us. Youse and me!]

Todd Hayen
Todd Hayen
Dec 3, 2023 12:34 AM
Reply to  John Ervin

Good stuff.

Elongated Muskrat
Elongated Muskrat
Dec 3, 2023 11:43 AM
Reply to  John Ervin

Tolle seems to have lifted wholesale from Krishnamurti. If he doesn’t mention or acknowledge him, I won’t say plagiarism but I will say covers band.

John Ervin
John Ervin
Dec 4, 2023 12:00 AM

I had read about Tolle that Krishnamurti was an influence, I don’t know to what extent exactly, but a lot. That was another guru Roy Tuckman introduced me to thru his radio show late nights. (Imagine my stints listening to those two on my security graveyard shifts midnight to 6 “guarding” “Golf ‘n Stuff” world’s largest miniature golf course, and one that was certifiably haunted, as all the employees would later confide, patrolling on foot a surreal landscape by moonlight: just a touch of color commentary!)

Krishnamurti has some fabulous insights, but is a little too heterodox at first blush, to absorb “wholesale”, and that said, too “novel,” to assimilate it all readily, other than by the delights of his creative lights for further digestion.

So I always cleave to the great solid Orthodox mystics like Aquinas, Francis of Assisi, St. Teresa d’Avila, San Juan de la Cruz, Ignatius… you get the drift. I return to them in my quest to be “anchored in the joy of serenity,” as a storied Dominican preacher, consultant, titled some of his missions, and sessions.

That “precious commodity of peace” that makes all the difference!

Krishnamurti is so often brilliant, though it’s not clear he lived it all point for point, from what I’ve picked up about that, and he’s not Tolle’s main influence, which is far ranging and he almost always reconciles his whole with Christocentric standards, which also is my main draw to him.

A true
synthesist. Flannery O’Connor spoke of our needing “a new synthesis” in the recent centuries since Aquinas, whom she greatly venerated for his “Summa” as her key “anchor” ~ and Tolle traces out some of that path to that? I find his lights valuable in these issues discussed.

But I’m “only a student, never a scholar.”

John Ervin
John Ervin
Dec 2, 2023 10:43 PM

“Thinking that is not rooted in awareness becomes self-serving and dysfunctional. Cleverness devoid of wisdom is extremely dangerous and destructive. That is the current state of most of humanity. The amplification of thought as science and technology, although intrinsically neither good nor bad, has also become destructive because so often the thinking out of which it comes has no roots in awareness. The next step in human evolution is to transcend thought. This is now our urgent task. It doesn’t mean not to think anymore, but simply not to be completely identified with thought, possessed by thought.
Eckhart Tolle, Stillness

https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/8573611-thinking-that-is-not-rooted-in-awareness-becomes-self-serving-and

John Ervin
John Ervin
Dec 2, 2023 10:24 PM

All of us exist, now, for the most part merely immersed In a “pseudo-reality” (as Dave Martin of dcdave.com cunningly calls our common context) which is not only the current condition, and for 70 to 80 years now, of us city-slickers, so dominant as demographic in what Alan Watts once called “the LosAngelization of the world,” [he should know, as so should I] but also globally through all major (and most minor) media. This pseudo-reality clearly can only be contended & transcended from within, always towards without, and a lot of work it is, a life’s work (but hardly hard as far better than any many “options” of play) by sustained approaches to awareness, and growth as Herr Eckhart spells out very nicely in “Stillness Speaks”:

“Thinking that is not rooted in awareness becomes self-serving and dysfunctional. Cleverness devoid of wisdom is extremely dangerous and destructive. That is the current state of most of humanity. The amplification of thought as science and technology, although intrinsically neither good nor bad, has also become destructive because so often the thinking out of which it comes has no roots in awareness. The next step in human evolution is to transcend thought. This is now our urgent task. It doesn’t mean not to think anymore, but simply not to be completely identified with thought, possessed by thought.”

Eckhart Tolle, “Stillness Speaks”

https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/8573611-thinking-that-is-not-rooted-in-awareness-becomes-self-serving-and

John Ervin
John Ervin
Dec 2, 2023 10:50 PM
Reply to  John Ervin

I was having, OOPS, trouble with the software, so three variants of the post appear now? My bad, feel free to elide the first two. But the “thought” by Tolle certainly bears repeating.

Thrice?

Voilà la trifecta!

Gordon McRae
Gordon McRae
Dec 3, 2023 4:24 PM
Reply to  John Ervin

….Nothing has been read once until it has been read 12 times….

John Ervin
John Ervin
Dec 4, 2023 12:12 AM
Reply to  Gordon McRae

I GET IT! 😱😎

Speshly for those of us with lifelong runaway ADHD! It’s perplexing enough, but that adds the wrinkle that the American Disabilities Act of 1994 provides for those so afflicted four times the length of time to take major scholastic exams etc. Long after my school days, so I don’t see how that works?

I switched my major at 18 to classical music and performance as both therapy and remedy.

So I don’t know if that means I need 48 times but truly we only really absorb things after much pondering and review!

[Hey, but such a quirky path led me to stage time with some pretty great orchestras, so I must be on to something good, apparently.]

jubal hershaw
jubal hershaw
Dec 2, 2023 9:45 PM

An update of the 1960s ‘plastic people’- and they were everywhere, and everyone else -except for me and my group. (There were a lot of pseuds around, too).

sandy
sandy
Dec 2, 2023 9:35 PM

I think we could look at the evolution of human societies as a whole, since agriculture made Humanity dependent upon a supply & demand culture, as opposed to living off what Earth provides. The agricultural societies give up autonomy to a ruling class. The ruling classes have transitioned from the enclosure movement of containing the ruled as serfs, to mercantile colonial capture of foreign ruled to capitalist industrials, then financial capture of the ruled as neo-serfs. We’re at the end of this 5,000 year epoch of minority exploitation of Humanity and Earth resources. It’s reached terrestrial physical limits of both to provide further profit, and have no where to go but more exploitation, more consumption, then over-clocking each to total exhaustion of everything.

An adult society, of adult individuals, would not tolerate Humanity consentlessly exploited to exhaustion. To keep societies subjects, childhood behaviors have been programmed, forced upon us at threat of violence, both physical and economic, and relentlessly sold to us via capitalist consumerism to keep us as psychological dependents.

I can’t entirely blame individuals when the above surrounding peer pressured frog boil seems the only reality. But is up to us to see through being treated like obedient children, domesticated farm animals being exploited and just stand up, like real human beings, to SAY FUCK NO!

Then, let’s get adult-level creative about designing a universally consensual successful-for-all Humanity, and all Life on Earth’s ecosystem. It’s Humanity’s destiny. Being exploited and extincted by 1% greed is not.

David McBain
David McBain
Dec 2, 2023 9:25 PM

 If—
BY RUDYARD KIPLING
(‘Brother Square-Toes’—Rewards and Fairies)

If you can keep your head when all about you
Are losing theirs and blaming it on you,
If you can trust yourself when all men doubt you,
But make allowance for their doubting too;
If you can wait and not be tired by waiting,
Or being lied about, don’t deal in lies,
Or being hated, don’t give way to hating,
And yet don’t look too good, nor talk too wise:

If you can dream—and not make dreams your master;
If you can think—and not make thoughts your aim;
If you can meet with Triumph and Disaster
And treat those two impostors just the same;
If you can bear to hear the truth you’ve spoken
Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools,
Or watch the things you gave your life to, broken,
And stoop and build ’em up with worn-out tools:

If you can make one heap of all your winnings
And risk it on one turn of pitch-and-toss,
And lose, and start again at your beginnings
And never breathe a word about your loss;
If you can force your heart and nerve and sinew
To serve your turn long after they are gone,
And so hold on when there is nothing in you
Except the Will which says to them: ‘Hold on!’

If you can talk with crowds and keep your virtue,
Or walk with Kings—nor lose the common touch,
If neither foes nor loving friends can hurt you,
If all men count with you, but none too much;
If you can fill the unforgiving minute
With sixty seconds’ worth of distance run,
Yours is the Earth and everything that’s in it,
And—which is more—you’ll be a Man, my son!

(In a word: integrity.)

John Ervin
John Ervin
Dec 2, 2023 10:38 PM
Reply to  David McBain

Funny, I just copied this poem a few days ago, treasured since ladhood like latter day scripture.

Kipling, whatever his many Col. Blimpish opinions, had a real way with the language. One of the few soldier poets, mostly found among Brits, so rarely in USA INC.

Auden noted that about the longevity of language masters, in a tribute to Yeats:

“Time that is intolerant
Of the brave and innocent
And indifferent in a week
To a beautiful physique,
Worships language and forgives
Everyone by whom it lives.

Time that with this strange excuse Pardoned Kipling and his views
And will pardon Paul Claudel
Pardons him for writing well.”*

[SOP Disclaimer: all my quotes are subject to review, which is easy enough these days online. There should be a fair division of labor, so I recite them, others may fact check them.]

Placental_Mammal
Placental_Mammal
Dec 2, 2023 11:16 PM
Reply to  David McBain

Kipling was the author of the foul poem “White Man’s Burden”. He was a fucking arsehole.

David McBain
David McBain
Dec 3, 2023 8:23 PM

Perhaps, but he made exceedingly good cakes.

John Ervin
John Ervin
Dec 4, 2023 12:16 AM
Reply to  David McBain

And rhymes, as Auden noted.

VITA BREVIS, “ARS” LONGA.

David McBain
David McBain
Dec 4, 2023 9:53 PM
Reply to  John Ervin

Well next month some Scots will be delving into their haggis. Just proves you don’t have to be perfect to also be poetic.

John Ervin
John Ervin
Dec 5, 2023 2:06 AM
Reply to  David McBain

Hear, hear. Aaron Copland addressed an open letter in the ’40s to Stalin & Co. in defense of the cultural necessity of real artistic freedom of expression, with his prose coda something like, “the artist’s immemorial right to be wrong.”

Nobody gets that about yours truly, that’s for sure, nor do I consider a mandate to be oft mistaken, just the necessity in art, just as in scientific experimentation, to be often unavoidably wrong in one’s stumbling on a winding uneven road to true origins.

Auden put as epigraph to his collected poems a charming ditty and so gay:

“Although you be, as I am, one of those,
Who feel a Christian ought to write in prose,
Since poetry is Magick, born in sin, you
May read it to exorcise the gentile in you.”

[The last rhyme must be a nodding wink to Kipling’s “IF” (posted above) for his “…and sinew … nothing in you.” And a clarification of what is a true Jew.

If perhaps absent some “circumcision of the heart” as has it Romans 2. So few can achieve both, it seems, but greatness still.]

Erik Nielsen
Erik Nielsen
Dec 5, 2023 6:50 AM
Reply to  David McBain

It aint me babe, you are looking for baby, I will only lay you down.
https://youtu.be/YoagldK69U0

HotScot
HotScot
Dec 2, 2023 7:58 PM

Most men are children well into their middle ages. The fast cars, motorbikes and guns aren’t a problem other than when they are used inappropriately. For example there’s nothing wrong with owning a Ferrari and using it to enjoy driving on open roads that suit it, but dribbling along in inner city traffic at 12mph isn’t an exercise in pleasure, it’s a narcissistic desire for attention.

But it’s an age old phenomenon. The guy who want’s to be somebody dresses as he imagines ‘somebody’ should dress and the guy who is somebody passes you in the street without you giving him a second glance.

My experience has been in life that there are three types of people; the extraordinarily financially poor who aspire to little and accept they are, and will always bee, financially poor. They are, for the most part decent people who know they can never climb the slippery pole to success because they simply don’t have the ability and, more importantly, the desire to do so.

Then theres the extraordinarily wealthy – the landed gentry, royalty and those of inherited extreme wealth. Money means nothing to them, nor do goods and chattels. They dress modestly and don’t care what type of car they drive or what home they live in. Like the poor man they tend to be thoughtful people more interested in others than themselves.

Then there’s those who aspire to wealth and influence, the ‘middle class’ who will sell their granny to further their own ambitions. There are lots of us, influenced by ‘the latest thing’, bloviating politicians and self serving, greedy, friends and colleagues. These people (largely most of us) will stab anyone in the back to achieve what we believe to be meaningful, but miss what the poor and wealthy have, a sense of serenity and recognition of their place in society.

John Ervin
John Ervin
Dec 4, 2023 1:22 AM
Reply to  HotScot

“Like the poor man they [ultra-wealthy, royals, etc.] tend to be thoughtful people more interested in others than themselves.”

Well, I was reared around a lot of very rich folk, and my experience, as someone later longtime poor, has been that most of the ultra-rich are interested in others, perhaps, but mostly as commodities. Though it isn’t “played” that way.

As tax write-offs … or worse. [Agent recruits, useful idiots, patsies, et al.] Not always, but as a group or class way way [way] too often.

My attorney father had Armand Hammer as a client, among many of such like ilk.

At 13 I knew the gears had been set in motion to make me a little lawyer. So wishing to stay on his good side I asked him what kind of taxes his clients paid. In my innocence!

After dodging the question five or six times for over a year, to my silent shock, he finally turned to me with an unusually hard look and said “Don’t you get it?! No client of mine has ever paid a penny of taxes!”

That was the day our paths began to part. And a few years later completely.

The year before, 1964, we would often croon duets of “The Impossible Dream” on our walks, then #1 on the hit parade from “Man of la Mancha”

It soon became clear to me we meant very different dreams.

I write this because it is a window on such things of a personal but poignant celebrity that gives a look at how they really feel and think, and I saw that replicated in so many other Rich lives around me then.

Later I worked with an organization of many very well-heeled “philanthropists” (e.g. one donated $200M in just one bequest) who considered their musicians not much more than afterthoughts, as commodities or chattel, however carefully groomed and trotted out for the public. The hereditary rich were such users and abusers, there, though always so meticulous in their good manners. Well, mostly. [They wouldn’t even pay our parking in snow emergencies, let alone any salaries for the chorus. See what I mean!]

Whited sepulchres, mostly. “Collectors” with an eye ONLY on bottom lines! Philanthropists!

£4£$4$+my2¢

“As far as I can see, philanthropy is rapidly becoming the recognizable mark of the wicked man.”. ~ GKC, 1920s

“The real argument against aristocracy is that it always means rule of the ignorant. For the most dangerous of all forms of ignorance is ignorance of work.” ~ Ibid.

Therein lies the biggest Reality Gap of them all. Among the children of men, “interested” in others.

JUST SAYIN’

Hamish Dawson
Hamish Dawson
Dec 4, 2023 3:28 PM
Reply to  HotScot

Royalty more interested in others? They are enormously self-absorbed for the most part.

Owen
Owen
Dec 2, 2023 7:54 PM

Todd, your ability to hit the nail right on the head is excellent. Bravo.
I am a man. Simple. Precise.

John Ervin
John Ervin
Dec 2, 2023 8:46 PM
Reply to  Owen

Glad to hear it!

Todd Hayen
Todd Hayen
Dec 3, 2023 12:36 AM
Reply to  Owen

Thank you! You made my day!

Big Al
Big Al
Dec 2, 2023 6:25 PM

I think the mall might be the wrong place to look there Todd. Where I come from, go out to the small towns and talk to the wildfire professionals staffing the ranger districts, or the loggers who fall the trees and drive the log trucks (like my grandpa started doing in 1920), or the farmers and workers bringing in the fruit and vegetables, or the foresters and biologists who make sure the forests and rivers survive and thrive, or the linesmen who climb the towers to make sure all the pseudos can watch their fucking tv’s and use their computers. There’s still plenty of “real” men (and of course, women) around and you can be damn sure they’re teaching their boys and grandsons (and daughters and granddaughters) how to follow. And you can also be damn sure they’re the ones who will lead this fight against the Great Reset. Keep hope alive brother.

Jos
Jos
Dec 2, 2023 9:21 PM
Reply to  Big Al

I totally agree. I have to find people to maintain a block of flats and I’m amazed at the talent of the craftsmen who are able to fix the roof / manage a garden / build a wall / repair electrics. So maybe it’s the office job men you’re talking about? I noticed in the states (and maybe here in the UK too) that almost everyone who goes to university seems to end up with an office job of one kind or another. They are the lost and disempowered men because office politics is often demanding from their workers more
female-oriented skills.

John Ervin
John Ervin
Dec 3, 2023 12:17 AM
Reply to  Big Al

Yes and no. I’ve worked with both types. I saw those qualities in the country in France at times, outside Paris, and even some in the cities. I mean, not placing myself above the candidates, just my impression.

In USA, just to be honest, I find those sources greatly depleted in recent decades, where I’m from anyway, the bulk of my past. Like Hayen says, it seems a lot has been beaten out of them, and, worst of all, so many don’t seem to know it.

In many places, it seems suspectly like role-playing.

But that adds up, when you realize most “creativity” here has been taught like a “paint-by-the-numbers” canvas.

“The answers are all in the back of the book.”

As if. Don’t forget, total war as life is taught bere like an army training manual.

It all breaks down when asymmetrical warfare is required.

Like, now.

Or really, asymmetrical peacefare.

Then most are seriously “at sea.”

rubberheid
rubberheid
Dec 3, 2023 7:39 PM
Reply to  Big Al

blood, mud and snotters amigo, indeed : )

Life

hoaxashian
hoaxashian
Dec 2, 2023 6:16 PM

you dont have to look like a bag of sausages to be a man , just to be intelligent, do not follow the crowd or trends and have personal values , the image used in this article is a cliche

Lost in a dark wood
Lost in a dark wood
Dec 2, 2023 2:36 PM

“Men” in the sense referred to in this article have always been a rare exception to the general rule. Hence, such notions as “a man for all seasons”. The fundamental need is Liberty and Due Process – and if we’re reliant on having “men” to fight for it, then society is stuffed!

kevx
kevx
Dec 4, 2023 4:09 AM

are suggesting there is any form of rule of law or left in the usa? was there ever? or has always been corporate law, the law of greed, masked off as blind justice?

Lost in a dark wood
Lost in a dark wood
Dec 4, 2023 6:49 PM
Reply to  kevx

Liberty and Due Process became encoded in the Magna Carta (see below). It’s now largely disappeared from UK law, but it survives in the Due Process Clause of the US Constitution. It has recently been invoked in response to the tyranny of Public Health during the scamdemic, but I doubt it will survive much longer in any effective form. Hence, my view that humanity is stuffed!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Due_process
Due process developed from clause 39 of Magna Carta in England. Reference to due process first appeared in a statutory rendition of clause 39 in 1354 thus: “No man of what state or condition he be, shall be put out of his lands or tenements nor taken, nor disinherited, nor put to death, without he be brought to answer by due process of law.”[3] When English and American law gradually diverged, due process was not upheld in England but became incorporated in the US Constitution.

United States
Main article: Due Process Clause
The Fifth and Fourteenth Amendments to the United States Constitution each contain a Due Process Clause.[18] Due process deals with the administration of justice and thus the Due Process Clause acts as a safeguard from arbitrary denial of life, liberty, or property by the government outside the sanction of law.[19] The Supreme Court of the United States interprets the clauses as providing four protections: procedural due process (in civil and criminal proceedings), substantive due process, a prohibition against vague laws, and as the vehicle for the incorporation of the Bill of Rights.

Bryan
Bryan
Dec 2, 2023 2:25 PM

When I was young: disgruntled white men went off into the woods, killed and butchered an innocent deer, got all naked and primal around a ceremonial fire, mythologised about whatever it took to “make a man a man” (whilst copiously drinking beer), derided ‘toxic feminism’ whilst smeared in blood, and generally got all maudlin and self-indulgent in an openly cathartic Oedipal wank-fest that allowed them to psychologically bond together before they went back to work as ‘emasculated providers’ on Monday. It was called the “Mythopoetic Men’s Movement” whichever was a reactionary irrational patriarchal ‘resistance’ to radical feminism.

Forty years on in the global setting of a One World Economy where production, manufacture, resource extraction and so on where intentionally exported or ‘outsourced’ (without consent) to the Third World; as a next-level of imposed masculinity as a highly racialised and imperially structured malevolence: there is no lack of “dangerously aggressive” violence and “toxic masculinity” in the First World – we just perfected it when we pooled our aggrandised self-domesticated aggression and enacted it in absentia (dei). Consumer civilisation and commodified ‘culture’ is therefore the very vertex or epitome of ‘toxic masculinity’, proactive aggression and ongoing dangerous criminality that we have merely eradicated from polite conversation in order to confabulate a new level of pseudo-victimhood surpassing even that of the world hysterical men’s movement.

#BooHooHoo: so who are these “pseudo-men” whenever the whole world-alienation is a self-sustaining ‘men’s movement’ – consummated of the “Great-White-Male-Christian” (Hayen) – there is no loss of ‘toxic masculinity’ and there are no emasculated victims in the First World; the victims of our pooled consumer violence and perpetual, proactive ‘dangerous aggression’ are all in the Third World working for free so we can ‘go to the Mall’ and consume their labour and resources conscience-free; not having to worry about the levels of real-time violation and real-world violence that entails – because it does not happen in our “urban utopia”…. It happens elsewhere.

We do not have to think about “man the familial provider” in terms of a nuclear, market-fundamental, malevolent and misanthropic “net imperial appropriation” available to those who can merely “click-and-collect” and the commodification of an unparalleled perfection of ‘toxic masculinity’ arrives in time for Christmas: arbecht macht frei now with bonus special delivery and added loyalty Nectar points for the conscience-free.

Thereafter: there is no comparison between the whole earth colonialism and consummative levels of ‘toxic masculinity’ and white supremacy achieved as “Killable Black Friday” and our self-indoctrinate “white lamentation liturgy” of “blameless real men” who do nothing but provide and provision for their families through actively agendic self-sacrifice, self-restraint, self-honesty, self-loyalty, self-dedication and so on.

The Third World as a geography of extermination does not exist to us when the Great-White-Male-Christian ‘good life’ (bios, tou eu zen) is already the peak perfection of permanent warfare against the “wretched of the earth”; perpetrated by proactive all-consuming purchase-power eradicating the earth and its Unpeopled providers; who is going to be left to indoctrinate the new generation if not the strong ‘homo superior’ is now the new fascist minimum appealing to the world dominant men’s movement perpetrating perpetual violence against the Third World whilst seeking new levels of self-justification and self-legitimation to take the absenteed and intentionally invisibilised violence to the next level of destruction. And we cannot even see the masculinised all-consuming death-drive happening due to self-administered pity and pseudo-victimology of deficient mythopoetic maleness.

I blame Robert Bly.

Victor G.
Victor G.
Dec 2, 2023 5:18 PM
Reply to  Bryan

Robert Bly … excellent poet.
(Read him, heard him, dined with him. Lucky me.)

Todd Hayen
Todd Hayen
Dec 3, 2023 12:37 AM
Reply to  Victor G.

Wow!! I am jealous!

ariel
ariel
Dec 2, 2023 8:22 PM
Reply to  Bryan

That last crack made me laugh. Masculinity, like ‘Femininity’ is a spectrum, complicated enormously by the context it finds/he finds himself in. And ‘deliberately complicated’ it has certainly become. From one extreme to an/the other.
I would be righteously slagged-off if I presumed to speak for women. The damage going on there is all over the mugging drain scream mediocremedia. Why are nearly all drag queens men pretending to be women? And why are we supposed to be in the least interested, except to say that if my children all now between 25 and 45 were being subjected to what is going on in some schools they would NOT be there, period.
I mean, obviously the PTB want to eliminate, destroy resistance. And childhood! That’s a given. Gaza is a brilliant metaphor in addition to all the HORROR. ‘coming to your town soon. This is what it would look like.’
But the ‘toxicity standard’ for ‘real men’ as literally stuck into which a large part of the population is now divided up as follows:
Did you knuckle under and take the jabs?
Did you wear a mask?
Did you ‘socially distance?’
Did you obey lockdown ‘not-really mandates?’
Did you believe in any of the Cov-shit?
Did you victimise ANYBODY that stood up against the politico-pharma tyranny?
If any of the above, there is no REAL conversation to be had.
That was ‘The Intelligence Test,’ and you failed.
There was bound to be a curve ball with a lot of top spin sooner or later, calling our bluff.
On the first day of lockdown, we went to our favourite bit of the Welsh Coast Path. We saw NO ONE in about 2 hours, but when we looked over the cliff edge at one point we saw two dolphins synchronised swimming. The sky was clear blue, and there were no chemtrails. Not a single boat, fishing or otherwise.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xpHd1Z2x-WU
The Intelligence Test’

ariel
ariel
Dec 2, 2023 9:52 PM
Reply to  ariel

Bryan, how about the Catholic Church as a good bad example? They would have you believe that ‘God’ to whom the only route through was via them, and that same ‘God’ was a God of Love and at the same time was the owner and manager of an extremely efficient virtual panopticon. who was spying on you at all times. They had my father and his parents in thrall, and my Scottish grandmother played the Catholic guilt card heavily and very frequently, so I was forced to go to a Catholic grammar school I didn’t want to go to more than half-way across London and back 6 days a week, when I wanted to go to the local but C of E grammar school that many of my friends went to, to which I could walk in 15 minutes. When I started to grow my hair longer, she called me ‘Nancy boy.’ But I used to frequent the National Portrait Gallery, which was free in those days, and I knew that hair length was a matter of fashion.
My uncle, my father’s elder brother ended up as a closet gay, because every girl he brought home was comprehensively trashed by my grandmother. He died in her arms of a hole in the heart at home at 45 after falling down the stairs.. Pretty classic. He was a double classics First at King’s, Cambridge. School teacher, Fellow of the FRHS.
My father, as an army officer managed to have a girlfriend 2000 miles beyond my grandmother’s reach, and married her in St Joseph’s Cathedral, Cairo, and so was able to bring her home, but not without considerable friction for 20 years.
After my grandmother died, I asked my father why, as he was the only one who could have done anything about her, he didn’t. He shuffled his feet, and wouldn’t meet my eyes. ‘I couldn’t,’ he said.
I said, ‘That isn’t good enough.’ But I was only 19, and little did I know what lay in store for me in relationships to come. Ah, the arrogance of 60s youth.
There was no way my grandmother could ever be described as a feminist, but she completely dominated the men in her life until she died.

Bryan
Bryan
Dec 3, 2023 2:31 PM
Reply to  ariel

We’ve got something in common then: catholic grammar school. I was on the bus every day when all my mates got up an hour later and walked a few hundred metres to the local comprehensive. I was still having apprehensive dreams into my twenties when I woke up disorientated and entered panic mode about another day of catechism. Not sure what any of this personal reminiscence has to do with contemporaneity though.

Whitefolk channeled their proactive aggression into repressing Black, Indigenous and Aboriginal folk into second class citizenry in their place of origin; permanently excluded them from white consumer civilisation as “superfluous”…. excepting to be worked to death as invisibilised creators of our conspicuous luxuries. The cardinal point of this ‘conversation’ is whether white consumer civilisation extended itself through globalisation in the 1980s. If we exported production to the Third World and lived off other people’s creativity, hard work and material resources then there are no real victims in the First World. You know and I know and everybody else knows this happened.

The Third world is an extended extermination camp or “necropolitical death-world” for those who are permanently excluded from consumer ‘culture’, excepting as an unpaid labour-force working for zilch so we can enjoy our well-deserved ‘holiday season.’

As for masculinity: that is where it was chanelled. We no longer provide and provision: we enslave inferiorised and lesser people to do it for us. Something we do “conscience-free” because we never even think about it, taking “radical thoughtlessness” to new levels. We don’t know when to be “dangerously aggressive”? We do this all day every day without the global consequences even reaching consciousness.

The whole world is arranged by ‘toxic masculinity’ for ‘toxic masculinity’ which women of colour  (eg Quijiano, Spivak, Lugones) have been telling us for years. If anybody wants to talk about the “spectrum of masculinity” in the global era of amoral consumer civilisation as structurally racist, structurally militarist and paramilitarist, structurally materialist; in which entire nations are worked to death to provide the requisite levels of commodification we completely take for granted when we ‘go to the mall’ — I’m all ears.

‘Man the Provider’ in the totalised age of consumptogenic economic mismanaging the whole earth and the militarised and borderised enslavement of the supermajority of our own species as forced labour (“the nomos of the camp”) — sounds like the sublimation of toxic masculinity to me.

ariel
ariel
Dec 3, 2023 4:37 PM
Reply to  Bryan

Well, first off the indigenous populations were labelled, categorised ‘savages’ who did not worship the right god(s) and were not ‘civilised’ like their occupiers and killers. No matter that they had understandings and related to the earth they inhabited with extreme love and respect. Sounds familiar, only on a much larger scale than ‘Gaza.’ There are estimates for the deaths due to the colonisations of the Americas as high as 100 million.
I don’t think it would have made any difference if they had had pieces of paper stating that they owned the land on which they lived.
And the killing was carried out by……
And the curious thing that they labelled manifest destiny was the idea that this was ‘God’s Will.’ The God of Love wanted them to go out and kill and enslave and steal the land in ‘His Name.’ Apart from the oxymoron, and the myriad direct quotes from the Old Testament stating quite clearly that this is NOT a ‘new thing that allegedly ‘God wants’. What I am trying to point out is that this God according to this version is the total toxic masculine archetype.
We are stuck in the continuing war of the Archetypes.
The killer Gods are one end of the extreme spectrum of toxic masculinity. And psychopaths and sociopaths identify with them.
With catastrophic (Nakba) type results.
More later.

John Ervin
John Ervin
Dec 8, 2023 6:47 PM
Reply to  ariel

Some of this bears the marks of antebellum scarring from those reactive olden days!

My avatar among Catholics ( I call him The Purple Sage, since he was a full-blood Iroquois indian, or 99.44% pure, like Ivory Soap ~ [old Yankee advert] ~ just a little bit French Québécois added to the DNA) is an ancient Dominican evangelist, O.P., made one long after he was discovered by “chance” on his obscure Mohawk Reservation by scouts of Royal Shakespeare Society and whisked away to be trained at RADA in London, in the times there and the likes of Alec Guinness & Gielgud. As a 10 years old Puck!

An imposing Giant (literally) who told us once that he had a teaching authority commensurate with the Popes. How that works I’m never sure, but just to say that as a Dominican he had quite a lot of clout in terms of finely defining doctrine and theology for questioners, from his teaching perspective.

He would regale us with a Q&A after his mission homilies/sermons/lectures by passing around a basket with slips of paper and pencils to note our questions.

At one session he read out from a slip so written, “Do you think the Roman Catholic church has all the answers?”

And he answered quite succinctly: “No, not so, I don’t think our Church has all the answers. As a matter of fact I don’t believe we are even asking a lot of the right questions.”

So there’s that much.

As counterweight.

[Certainly I bemoan the many deadheads who profess a false equivalency between certain sayings of our Founder, “I am the Way the Truth and the Life, no one comes to the Father except through Me” and somehow we get from there and that to a distortion that God does not provide for those who don’t yet know Him, or fully.]

There are such mysteries of His/Her Providence.

“Always a student, never a scholar!”

Big Al
Big Al
Dec 2, 2023 9:49 PM
Reply to  Bryan

Did you get any videos, man, (of the disgruntled white men all naked and primal around a ceremonial fire whilst copiously drinking beer)?  

John Ervin
John Ervin
Dec 3, 2023 2:13 AM
Reply to  Bryan

A heavy rap for one mere versifier to bear alone. Wow, hope he came clean.

John Ervin
John Ervin
Dec 4, 2023 1:41 AM
Reply to  Bryan

“…the victims of our pooled consumer violence and perpetual, proactive ‘dangerous aggression’ are all in the Third World working for free so we can ‘go to the Mall’ and consume their labour and resources conscience-free; not having to worry about the levels of real-time violation and real-world violence that entails – because it does not happen in our “urban utopia”…. It happens elsewhere.”

What M. Scott Peck aptly termed “fragmentation of conscience” as a very dangerous syndrome in “People of the Lie”, and ours as nation(s).

Lupa
Lupa
Dec 11, 2023 4:50 AM
Reply to  Bryan

For years, I had a very specific Eye Roll that was triggered by any mention of Robert Bly. Oh no I think my eyes are doing it even now!!

Ok but still… some good poetry from him.

“A lazy part of us is like a tumbleweed.
It doesn’t move on its own. Sometimes it takes
A lot of Depression to get tumbleweeds moving.”
― Robert Bly, Morning Poems

Maybe a useful Men’s Movt Hx Lesson to check some RB on the YT:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7uwSetxYbo0&list=WL&index=80
Bill Moyers and poet Robert Bly explore the changing role of men in modern America. Bly mixes ideas from the Ancient East with 20th-century sociology and psychology in his poetry and music.

Robert Bly Lecture: Passion and Purpose in Men and Women (1988)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qyODCbK0VNY&list=WL&index=82

(No, I didn’t watch the YTs. Don’t push me w this men’s movt stuff.)

Stella
Stella
Dec 2, 2023 2:08 PM

“Throughout history boys had to be trained and taught to be men. Girls don’t have to be taught to be women. They just know how to be one”
So very true!

Karen Elliott
Karen Elliott
Dec 2, 2023 5:37 PM
Reply to  Stella

There are so many pseudo women out there it makes my head hurt. Surely the fake nails, breasts and incessant need to buy new clothes is not something that shows how women just know how to be?

Stella
Stella
Dec 3, 2023 10:16 AM
Reply to  Karen Elliott

These are silly women but still women.

Karen Elliott
Karen Elliott
Dec 4, 2023 12:18 PM
Reply to  Stella

and maybe the ‘psuedo-men’ are simply silly men?

John Ervin
John Ervin
Dec 6, 2023 8:56 PM
Reply to  Stella

That’s not really the point. The gist here is more about what distinguishes a woman from a girl, which is about filling up or out in enough emotional and social (and all in all spiritual) maturity to make some worthy difference to any others. I know that’s often contested turf, above all by whole armies of the silly, but!

People have a right and maybe the need at times for some well placed silliness, a mere glimpse of Marx [certain Brothers, not named Karl] will show you that, but a steady diet of that as essence is temps perdu, a waste of oxygen in our apparent dwindling TUC [Time of Useful Consciousness: an aeronautics term for the “useful” time that remains, while losing breathable air at high altitudes before passing out, and game over; also the name of a great radio program, a regular for decades on Pacifica Radio, such as “Something’s Happening” show at KPFK.org ~ Perhaps it is those altitudes that are making some people giddy enough to present as silly?].

John Ervin
John Ervin
Dec 4, 2023 12:32 AM
Reply to  Karen Elliott

Then there are their talk shows now, in USA. Wow, I cringe. Even though I haven’t had a TV in 20 years, just mere nano~-glimpses are plenty.

But having such a small sample size I don’t dare to judge.

After all, Andy Warhol called himself “a deeply superficial person.” And he went far.

Quickdraw
Quickdraw
Dec 2, 2023 2:05 PM

“The culture has all but destroyed masculinity. And in my opinion, again, I believe this is intentional.”
They love to speak of “toxic masculinity” but ignore that the root cause of our decline is toxic feminism. The issue is women are the bearers of culture and they just stopped transmitting American culture and began instituting Bolshevik culture i.e. no culture (and from here we ruined the world). From birth to getting close to puberty the boy has always been raised by the mother—the mother who trained him to be a man. After puberty the boy went to hang out with the men who reinforced that training. So do not blame the “pseudo-man”, woman is entirely responsible for this state we are in.

Look at the state of the world since women got the vote here in the US. Wow! It looks to me that the right to vote for females simply means the right to prance about in their underwear. Men are children and have always been. Women are the ones who forced men to be men. This so called “toxic masculinity” was born of woman. It is woman who has abrogated her responsibility to society. You gave up the most critical, most important job—your raison d’être is to raise children and conserve culture, but no you want to be men.

We are living in an age of mass insecurity and the “pseudo-man” is really a pathetic example of how far we have fallen. Grandpas dressing and acting like little boys? Where can a young man find instruction? From his mother.

John Ervin
John Ervin
Dec 3, 2023 2:17 AM
Reply to  Quickdraw

In ghettos mom’s have anchored the male learning for centuries. Or Grandma.

mgeo
mgeo
Dec 3, 2023 6:36 AM
Reply to  John Ervin

Making it easy to escape alimony payments helps.

John Ervin
John Ervin
Dec 4, 2023 12:27 AM
Reply to  mgeo

Not much easier for Mom. Like Léon Bloy called his book, “La Pauvre Femme.”

mgeo
mgeo
Dec 3, 2023 6:34 AM
Reply to  Quickdraw

Of course there is toxic masculinity: psychos, sadists, con-men, etc. trying to get their way through some aspect of their role as related to gender.

Erik Nielsen
Erik Nielsen
Dec 5, 2023 7:08 AM
Reply to  Quickdraw

A man and a woman is one unit.
You cant cut one brain cell in two parts and say the left half is more stupid or less stupid than the other. Its a political blame divide and conquer scheme.
Masculine and Feminine cant function wholly without the other..

Sam - Admin2
Admin
Sam - Admin2
Dec 5, 2023 12:13 PM
Reply to  Erik Nielsen

Nicely put. A2

Todd Hayen
Todd Hayen
Dec 5, 2023 3:28 PM
Reply to  Erik Nielsen

Yes, nicely put.

John Ervin
John Ervin
Dec 6, 2023 6:50 PM
Reply to  Erik Nielsen

Yin & yang. All nature and its supernature.

And, we are called to an integration “above” Nature. To a future without false distinctions or equivalencies.

Chuck Finney
Chuck Finney
Dec 2, 2023 1:45 PM

In my articles, I often make reference to such men as “metrosexual militants”. https://modernindigenouswordpresscom.wordpress.com/2022/08/12/a-probing-critique-of-the-terminal-list/

Always sporting their tight T-shirts that show off the 24-hour fitness muscles, well-manicured beards and forever stuck in the perception deception that has been presented to them by the far too many military veteran/ Joe-Rogan/ Jordan Peterson podcasters. Sadly, these are the ones who use their platforms to gatekeep for the establishment and make the real men impotent against its exploitations of them.

Gordon McRae
Gordon McRae
Dec 3, 2023 6:15 PM
Reply to  Chuck Finney

Peterson spends a lot of time thrashing at the authorities (pseudo-authorities). Not sure if that lines up with him supporting the establishment. Joe Rogan always seems to be striving for authenticity and being real. I don’t necessarily think his masculinity is altogether a fake or bad thing. Rogan did a nice job of trying to keep some dialogue going with regards to Covid and alternate approaches to that pseudo-crises; hardly gate keeping for the establishment on that one.

John Ervin
John Ervin
Dec 4, 2023 12:39 AM
Reply to  Gordon McRae

Rogan is a gate-keeper-with-tats and all that. Watch him ever closely and so you may see he has been visited regularly by the “constant gardener.”

One of our many variations on the theme of controlled opposition and limited hangout, galore. Or so I see it, and say so.

But then, what else?

Gordon McRae
Gordon McRae
Dec 4, 2023 3:41 AM
Reply to  John Ervin

I admit to having been quite naive about people in the past but Rogan and Peterson strike me as authentic. I could be wrong. It seems hard to really know about a lot of things.

John Ervin
John Ervin
Dec 4, 2023 4:35 AM
Reply to  Gordon McRae

I happened to catch some good interviews by Rogan, such as with Tom O’Neill about MKUltra, something MSM won’t touch. I happened to have studied that at some depth, and saw where they both skankily fudged the issue with some small but key disinfo.

And coordinated between them, too. He seems, “after further review”, another “kept man” of TPTB, which is not that big a shock considering his big potty mouth. Spewing EFF bombs is a giveaway for the Reich, since CIA relentlessly, concertedly, seeds the culture with the F word, disrespecting procreation and conception and dragging spirit through the muck.

Reducing parlance to the most common denominator, facilitating mind control.

That’s how I came to see Rogan anyway. A certain amount of candor to mask the psyops.

I never heard of Peterson. Any links to good bits?

Gordon McRae
Gordon McRae
Dec 4, 2023 6:44 PM
Reply to  John Ervin

I personally use the F word a lot and i have absolutely zero to do with the CIA…. In fact i started using it when i was a child because it had great shock value and made me and my friends feel smart and tough and funny and rebellious. The notion that it undermines spirit is only one way of thinking about it. It may be one of the best words around for expressing a particular set of human emotions. It’s probably over used and there are better ways to express ourselves often times but there is no fucking way I’m buying the notion that it undermines spirit.
I like looking at Jordan Peterson’s X account occasionally to get a sense of what he is up to and for links to things he is doing. Recently he came to British Columbia and had to deal with a relative in our hospital system. He took the opportunity of slamming our public health officer Bonny Henry for being an authoritarian and habitual virtue signaler. That to me is a great example of him pushing back against the establishment. Although the authorities and the establishment aren’t exactly the same thing i suppose.

John Ervin
John Ervin
Dec 5, 2023 2:58 AM
Reply to  Gordon McRae

Well, don’t feel like the Lone Ranger, folks were tossing EFF Bombs as I.E.D.’s centuries before Intel & C👁️A was encouraging its use, or ab-use. I have often wished to use it, but abstain for some years now.

Clearly, it doesn’t demonstrably “undermine” all sorts of “spirit-edness” and that’s much of its appeal, but I do suggest it interrupts and/or diverts real growth of spirit. A subtle short-curcuit, often not directly perceived?

And that’s its appeal to Intel. Theyve even trained 17, 18 year old girls to spew it fast and furious at my gym, and I corrected a gaggle of them last week about it, as flooding in a deluge from their lips into my ears as I did exercises only a yard or two from them:

ME: “Take it easy, there are children present.”

SHE: (summoning all her 19 years, tops, worth of vamp “charms”): LIKE YOU?!

ME: That crack is no shock coming from your potty mouth. (I am old enough to be her great grandpa, at least).

Within public earshot now kids use it, mom’s use it at will around their strollers, I have even heard it in schools and other “higher” venues now. It is fastidiously cultivated everywhere, Just to be totally cool & real. Like, ahem, Joe Rogan and his tats. It’s just all the rage.

And that aspect has been seeded deliberately by Intel psyops. For about 15 years, as part and parcel of MKUltra sensory bombardment and overload. [Like rapidly escalating Harley and sports car exhaust, deafening car subwoofers, etc etc. At least where I live in SoCal. All part of the MK Psywar Plan. Otherwise, they could stop it all in a month or two of traffic citations. But they’ve been told to “stand down.” As armies of occupation.]

If you study it as a means of social enslavement and engineering, that much becomes clear.

Everybody does it now because everybody does it now. And they really try to enforce it, by way of peer pressure Mind Kontrölle. Jawohl!

And I feel much freedom in abstaining. Beauteefull !

So at least there’s that Left.

Gordon McRae
Gordon McRae
Dec 6, 2023 3:58 AM
Reply to  John Ervin

I admit the swearing does seem noxious sometimes. I definitely agree with you that the noisy cars and motorcycles should be dealt with immediately: they’re Incredibly obnoxious.

John Ervin
John Ervin
Dec 6, 2023 7:43 PM
Reply to  Gordon McRae

Not just bikes and cars…

I was at a gym last night to do stretches (forget the rest there), the frail little girl (pushin 18 by her looks?) manning the front desk put the p.a. gym “musick” on SO loud it was bone rattling. Actually the 1st time in years I got a headache, and our ears were all nigh splitting. Incredibly loud. I have a nasty hunch she was just doing what she had been told? It wasn’t like that here a few years back. (I am south of my rounds, out of county.)

Then after closing, on the street after the doors shut, car stereo subwoofers so loud they vibrated the delicate tissues in your unmentionables. Seriously. That’s part of the membership plan? I guess so.

This is a concerted, engineered psyop at some certain level.

And grimly ubiquitous for some years now.. Little big doses of hell.

And so goeth the “F” bomb cults, to boot. We can see this.

They do that from on “high”. More & more.

And law gets the word to stand down.

Federated Psyop..

John Ervin
John Ervin
Dec 7, 2023 6:51 PM
Reply to  Gordon McRae

They have posted electronic signs on trailers, same for c19 4 years back, that say “loud exhaust will be cited” but it is all for show. It keeps escalating to jet volume. Probably giving them points and shopper rewards.

That is precisely what I mean by “federated psyop.”

And coarse [if expressive] language is but a key cog and package deal. NWO enslavement tactic.

O, and volcanic belching, mostly in the streets. Rattling store windows.

Nobody but Americans do that! Nobody. Not as a cult anyway. It’s some kind of orc or mammal signal, like the orca whales. Only much less musical.

Yet, you will never ever hear them poot in the public cities. Not even a whisper from almost any sphinctre! In public.

So elegant, nay, cosmopolitan. Especially the shock & Awe belches. Well, in USA INC, anyway.

So straight up Amerikan.

In your face pardner.

Lupa
Lupa
Dec 14, 2023 8:02 AM
Reply to  John Ervin

Toxic masculinity makes men belch, I guess.

Lupa
Lupa
Dec 14, 2023 8:08 AM
Reply to  John Ervin

Please clarify. When I say the F word it is “f**k” or “f**king”. Is that what you mean?
I have never said or writ “mo****fker” which I really find disgusting.

Lupa
Lupa
Dec 14, 2023 8:50 AM
Reply to  John Ervin

I agree about Tom O and Rogan. Skanky.

Paul
Paul
Dec 5, 2023 9:38 PM
Reply to  Gordon McRae

University professors who go against the establishment lose their jobs and are seldom heard of again. They don’t become rich overnight with book deals and interviews on all the big networks. Peterson is a fraud, just another in a long line of people who took the money to play out the agenda. He is a liar.
Rogan bears no explanation.
You would do well to assume everyone on tv is a fraud. You will be correct 95% of the time.

Gordon McRae
Gordon McRae
Dec 6, 2023 3:54 AM
Reply to  Paul

o.k. Taken on advisement. Thanks for the input.

John Ervin
John Ervin
Dec 6, 2023 7:08 PM
Reply to  Paul

Just look at Bill Ayers and his main squeeze Bernardine Dorrn. The leaders of the nefarious Weathermen “revolutionaries” in the late Sixties. Dorrn exulted soon after the Manson murders, sending out her communiqué to the world and her bogus faithful about how cool it was that the Manson LSD groupies had butchered the “pigs”*. [ And the butcherings themselves were pretty clearly an Intel psyop, which suggests they must have known in advance or at least in principle.]

Then they are both given tenured professorships at U of Chicago not so many years later, and after a snug half-century yet later, most of it in Academia, they are still living there in the campus lap of luxury. (And close friends of Barry O.)

What a tragic farce?

¢4£&$5$+++

* Source: “CHAOS: CHARLES MANSON, THE CIA, AND THE SECRET HISTORY OF THE ‘SIXTIES.” by Tom O’Neill 2020

John Ervin
John Ervin
Dec 6, 2023 8:03 PM
Reply to  John Ervin

Correction [perhaps] Dohrn was hired at Northwestern to profess law to its captive student body, not U of C. I lived there several months, in Chicago neighborhoods, an U of C frat house, lovely area, and visited an architect cousin, in Evanston at Sheridan Square, as swanky as it gets in the midwest. That is where Northwestern Uni “lies”:

Northwestern University is a private research university in Evanston, Illinois, United States. Established in 1851 to serve the historic Northwest Territory, it is the oldest chartered university in Illinois. The university has its main campus along the shores of Lake Michigan in the Chicago metropolitan area. Wikipedia

Paul Watson
Paul Watson
Dec 2, 2023 1:41 PM

Check out Steve Kirsch substack and the New Zealand whistle blower.
Facts on Covid deaths they cannot deny..

Lupa
Lupa
Dec 14, 2023 8:12 AM
Reply to  Paul Watson

How much $ is Kirsch’s challenge to get NZ to come clean?

George Mc
George Mc
Dec 2, 2023 1:14 PM

Off topic but what’s all this then?:

https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2023/12/02/klox-d02.html

Limited hang out? The old LIHOP – which leaves the fundamental story intact i.e. that “Hamas” is a completely autonomous outfit?

Placental_Mammal
Placental_Mammal
Dec 2, 2023 11:00 PM
Reply to  George Mc

“Socialists” promoting limited hangout conspiracy theories ? Well someone has to do it since the usual suspects are absconding. What we are seeing is a circling of wagons and the conscription of auxiliaries and allies such as fake conservatives. Coups in Holland and Argentina. False flags in Ireland. Childlike belief in the media from so called conspiracy theorists. The vast sophisticated resources of the banksters being used to hamstring the opposition to their cherished plan.

perraverde
perraverde
Dec 2, 2023 12:54 PM

So, although you grudgingly admit that women can grow into themselves compared to men: you make several digs at ‘radical feminists’. Whats your problem with us? Or is it too much for your poor lil ole masculine ego that women are doing it for themselves? And no thanks to sickboys like Andrew ghastly Tate and Jordan the creep Peterson. Or maybe you were hoping to be challenged?
To quote Leonard Cohen: ”I can’t wait till the women take over.”

hoaxashian
hoaxashian
Dec 2, 2023 6:18 PM
Reply to  perraverde

no evidence at all that women make better leaders , Sturgeon, Meloni , Ardern , Vion der Lyen, Patel, Braverm,an etc etc ? are these the types you want to take over?

JadedManc
JadedManc
Dec 2, 2023 10:22 PM
Reply to  hoaxashian

…Thatcher, May, (lol) Truss… good point, we’ll made

Placental_Mammal
Placental_Mammal
Dec 2, 2023 11:04 PM
Reply to  hoaxashian

Also Knickers Helley, Mad “worth it” Albright, Killary Clinton.

Erik Nielsen
Erik Nielsen
Dec 2, 2023 11:48 PM
Reply to  hoaxashian

“In the last days women shall lead nations”.

Pilgrim Shadow
Pilgrim Shadow
Dec 3, 2023 2:16 AM
Reply to  Erik Nielsen

Women, children and foreigners.

ariel
ariel
Dec 3, 2023 4:40 PM
Reply to  hoaxashian

Merkel, Thatcher?

John Ervin
John Ervin
Dec 4, 2023 4:39 AM
Reply to  ariel

😱😆

Gordon McRae
Gordon McRae
Dec 3, 2023 6:20 PM
Reply to  hoaxashian

Also the wonderful Chrystia Freeland. I’m pretty sure she was instrumental in celebrating a former Ukrainian nazi’s in Canada’s parliament. Such wonderful leadership. Although the majority of members of parliament are men and they all got up and applauded with her. None of these politicians are true leaders of the people. They represent special interests.

Pilgrim Shadow
Pilgrim Shadow
Dec 3, 2023 8:36 PM
Reply to  Gordon McRae

Then you might as well put in a word for Victoria Nuland.

Gordon McRae
Gordon McRae
Dec 4, 2023 3:44 AM
Reply to  Pilgrim Shadow

Right. The king maker of the Ukraine.

ariel
ariel
Dec 4, 2023 1:32 PM
Reply to  Gordon McRae

‘YATS IS OUR GUY. FUCK THE EU.’

Lupa
Lupa
Dec 14, 2023 8:21 AM
Reply to  hoaxashian

All these women you and other replies mention are not what I would call feminists. They have sold out to the status quo to play the govt political highjinx games for personal power.

Placental_Mammal
Placental_Mammal
Dec 2, 2023 11:02 PM
Reply to  perraverde

Feminism is a bankster project.

Todd Hayen
Todd Hayen
Dec 3, 2023 2:20 AM
Reply to  perraverde

Yes, I am clearly not a fan of radical feminism. And I believe wholeheartedly that it is part of the nefarious agenda. My poor lil ole masculine ego? Seems like you are the one with the ego, m’am.

Hele
Hele
Dec 3, 2023 7:41 AM
Reply to  Todd Hayen

If you are a psychotherapist you really should be looking into your reactions/feelings around feminism or you are susceptible of being a pseudo therapist.

Sam - Admin2
Admin
Sam - Admin2
Dec 3, 2023 2:58 PM
Reply to  Hele

Well I think Mr Hayen has promised future output dealing with just that, and I’m sure you’d know that too if you’d read the piece thoroughly. Go on, have another gander, it might elevate your discussion. A2

Hele
Hele
Dec 5, 2023 6:08 AM
Reply to  Sam - Admin2

No Thanks. This POV is tired and pervasive.

Hele
Hele
Dec 5, 2023 6:11 AM
Reply to  Sam - Admin2

Why? Off G. when there are so many more interesting writers out there like Feminists. Would do you blokes good to read them.

Sam - Admin2
Admin
Sam - Admin2
Dec 5, 2023 11:53 AM
Reply to  Hele

Why would you thoroughly read a piece before sniping about it? Well one reason being it would have saved you the time of writing the comment above. You made a suggestion to the writer, who it turns out anticipated your suggestion. Therefore, it’s all sorted.

Now if you could stop being a jerk that’d be nice, it’s rather childish. Thanks, A2

Todd Hayen
Todd Hayen
Dec 5, 2023 3:35 PM
Reply to  Hele

I am an archetypal psychologist, and I have very certainly “looked into” whatever I need to look into, as I continue to do. This is not about me, it is about what I write. I suggest you keep your criticisms focused on the material, not the person writing it. Radical feminism is an assault to archetypal function, just as radical masculinity is. That is my opinion, which you have every right to disagree with. Leave my personal character out of this. If you continue, you are susceptible of becoming an example of my statements.

Lupa
Lupa
Dec 14, 2023 8:32 AM
Reply to  Todd Hayen

When you tag radical feminism / radical masculinity as assaulting archetypal function, is that like they are working from the shadow?

Human values
Human values
Dec 3, 2023 7:53 PM
Reply to  Todd Hayen

No, Todd, it is your narcissistic (toxic) ego that can’t take criticism but attacks. It also attacks things it knows nothing about. Ego is the creator of all conflicts.

That’s what you’ve created here – Take a look!

You write about men being that and women being those. You attack them both. Why? Because you don’t like what they look like. Or you don’t like what they wear. Or you don’t like your prejudiced imaginations about their opinions. It’s all about your likes and dislikes. That is the ego.

You previously wrote you don’t like equality. Yeah, that shows.

No oppressor ever liked equality.

The ego is always on the wrong side, on the side of the oppressor. Finally, it will attack you, and you will know it.

All egos are narcissistic, selfish pigs. They all work for the Devil. They are against you, too.

Your focus on the people’s bodies is astonishing, since as a psychotherapist you should know a human being is not her body. Her or his, whatever.

Why do you judge people because of their bodies?

Why do you judge people if they support equality?

Hele
Hele
Dec 5, 2023 6:12 AM
Reply to  Human values

Yep

Todd Hayen
Todd Hayen
Dec 5, 2023 3:44 PM
Reply to  Human values

I guess I ruffled some feathers, eh? Reading this makes it clear to me that you did not understand what I wrote, wondering if you even read it. So sorry…

It is interesting how these comments actually support much that I write. Regardless of female or male, masculine or feminine, the misunderstanding here is toxic (in my opinion) and the insistence that you attack the writer rather than the concepts written about is very telling. The intolerance is frightening.

Let’s see you write an article for OG…seriously, I would like to read what you have to say…without all the ad hominem.

Hele
Hele
Dec 5, 2023 6:12 AM
Reply to  Todd Hayen

Nope.

Human values
Human values
Dec 3, 2023 8:02 PM
Reply to  perraverde

All these men agreeing with themselves that women, and especially feminists, are to be blamed is exactly what ”toxic masculinity” means.

What they do not know and understand, they attack.

White male supremacists always act in this way. They create conflict. They create war. Their created conflicts are always imaginary, since they really don’t have any real knowledge about their enemy. When ”women” are their enemy, especially those women who demand justice, freedom and equality, feminists, we know where they stand. And we know they’re not our brothers.

Whoever attacks me is my enemy.  

Todd Hayen
Todd Hayen
Dec 5, 2023 3:47 PM
Reply to  Human values

It seems that none of you understood if I was attacking anyone, it was men, not you. And I don’t even believe I was attacking men.

Although these comments are in one way disturbing, in another way they are completely supportive of my position and my opinion regarding the problems of our culture. You are making my argument for me. God help us all.

Erik Nielsen
Erik Nielsen
Dec 5, 2023 3:41 PM
Reply to  perraverde

The problem is this discussion shows the total and complete bankruptcy of men.

If we have reached this stage where not only should women take over men’s heavy jobs, but when they have taken it over, they are being criticised by men for not being more masculine than men and for not doing men’s heavy tasks better.

It cant be more pathetic than that.

Allow me to remind everybody that because of this pathetic sissy and crybaby attitude wanting to be an assistant to the assistant, leaving own job and role here on earth, God got so pessed men became banned forever but women only punished by giving birth in pain.

“It’s the women’s fault because she didnt took the fight with the Devil but continued to pick forbidden fruits.
We men couldnt do nothing else than pick up the forbidden fruits, because it was the woman’s and the Devil’s fault, not our fault.”

Sorry guys, God didnt bought into these lousy excuses……….. 😂 .

Jin_Tonic
Jin_Tonic
Dec 2, 2023 12:08 PM

along came dr jiden Paterson and andrew tate and all the woke alt right twats before them talking internet idiot.

nothing screams masculinity more than fake Conservative turned ex lefties writing about it whilst they take puggy out for a walk around the block rioded up listening to Tarsion etc with Frankenstein headphones plug into them. That is you.

& dr Todd sounds like one of them.

Nothing has dispirited masculinity more than you lot writing about it or talking shit about it on the internet.

what next Taliban trannies ??

Paul Watson
Paul Watson
Dec 2, 2023 1:45 PM
Reply to  Jin_Tonic

Suggest you do some research on Jordan Peterson and how he came into public prominence..

Clutching at straws
Clutching at straws
Dec 2, 2023 10:39 AM

Good article, Todd.

This pseudo-man syndrome extends to pseudo-philanthropists.

I don’t know what it’s like in Canada but in UK there are TV adverts every day showing heart breaking pictures of mistreated animals and of kids in faraway countries with horrid diseases and conditions that could all be cured if I send them £2 a month.

£2 a month ! That’s all it costs to make animals and humans healthy and happy.

If the philanthropists really wanted a few Brownie points they could do a lot worse than to spend a bit of their small change on making the world a better place.

Bizarrely, it would probably improve their image enough to encourage more people to take their poisons.

Isn’t it strange that they don’t do it ?

Could it be that their thought processes, don’t register emotions ? Maybe like a syndrome ?

PS. If there are any “philanthropists” reading this who want to steal my idea, please feel free.
I would be happy that no more bears are tortured for their bile or kids suffer from ingrowing eyelashes.

Who knows, you might even have a Scrooge moment !

God bless us every one.

0use4msm
0use4msm
Dec 2, 2023 10:01 AM

Not being raised by a father, the state kind of filled that void for me with its education system and state media. So in a sense I have an Oedipus complex with the state.

sabelmouse
sabelmouse
Dec 2, 2023 10:25 AM
Reply to  0use4msm

we need to retire that term. it was never applicable as it misrepresents the myth, and freud used to to excuse child abuse/protect the abusers of his patients. .

John Ervin
John Ervin
Dec 4, 2023 5:35 AM
Reply to  0use4msm

That’s pretty hilarious. Or scary!

Straight Talk
Straight Talk
Dec 2, 2023 9:34 AM

Many adult males do not know how to be a provider to his family.”

Well, 50 years of this didn’t help:

World poverty is viewed as a solution, not a problem. The World Bank and IMF think of poverty as low-priced labor, creating a competitive advantage for countries that produce labor-intensive goods. So poverty and austerity is an economic solution that’s built into their models. ~ Michael Hudson

A real man knows how to love, is not ashamed to show it and doesn’t think it’s weak. People are waiting for the Great Awakening; I’m waiting for the Great Maturity, when leaders can finally walk away from their war toy-compensation fetish and become worthy of the title.

sabelmouse
sabelmouse
Dec 2, 2023 10:27 AM
Reply to  Straight Talk

why wait for ”leaders” ?

Pilgrim Shadow
Pilgrim Shadow
Dec 2, 2023 1:43 PM
Reply to  sabelmouse

Because the blind can’t lead the blind?

Because we don’t have identically equal skills, abilities, talents, interests?

sabelmouse
sabelmouse
Dec 2, 2023 2:35 PM
Reply to  Pilgrim Shadow

and they’ll see?

Pilgrim Shadow
Pilgrim Shadow
Dec 2, 2023 2:51 PM
Reply to  sabelmouse

Usually, they fall in the ditch.

Jonas Carling
Jonas Carling
Dec 2, 2023 9:08 AM

Good solid article Todd!

Even sport, that in modern society may be a powerful tool to teach some of the basic principles you mentioned (honesty, restraint, sacrifice, etc) has nowadays been reduced to a mere cult of money and empty celebrities (who are themselves pseudo-men)

Jule
Jule
Dec 2, 2023 9:01 AM

Todd to be honest: I don’ t understand a single word. Growing up in a German society that had taught men to be warriors and then left all of us hurt and maimed, I can’t see warrioring as something desirable.

The men I experience around me are healthy craftsmen who care well for their families and teach their sons to be craftsmen too.

Apart from that I believe that all of us, men and women, must stand up as one man and tie the feet of anyone who tells us we are too stupid to manage our own lives, anyone who tries to take away the fruits of our labour and anyone who claims to be speaking in the name of the Lord to a fast horse.

Todd Hayen
Todd Hayen
Dec 2, 2023 2:08 PM
Reply to  Jule

Good for you and good for the environment you live in that supports good men.

The “warrior archetype” has always been in question. War amongst men is a strange one to justify, even if it is an arena for men to be warriors. However, there are many ways for a man to be a warrior, not just in battle to the deaths against other men. I had a professor in school (Joseph Cambray) who believed the warrior archetype doesn’t exist as a true archetype across cultures. He could be right.

Thank you!

Quickdraw
Quickdraw
Dec 2, 2023 2:09 PM
Reply to  Jule

A real warrior is a defender not an aggressor. But having lived in Germany–and I see this throughout the EU–you don’t even play at being pseudo-man. European men wearing women’s clothes and in women’s colors? You could at least start dressing like men. Real men do not wear capris.

Jib
Jib
Dec 2, 2023 5:00 PM
Reply to  Quickdraw

That’s the whole thing… You’re still thinking from a surrogate perspective.

Todd Hayen
Todd Hayen
Dec 3, 2023 2:25 AM
Reply to  Quickdraw

Yes, I would not have a problem describing real warriors as defenders, they know how to use the sword, but they seldom need to, and certainly not as an oppressor. There will always be injustice in the world, we will never have a utopia with not “bad” people. The warrior is one that deals with this, and protects.

Human values
Human values
Dec 3, 2023 8:10 PM
Reply to  Todd Hayen

Who made you a prophet? In Reality there is no chance that you know the future.

In order to know what will never happen, you should know everything and the future.

Do you think you’re God, Todd?

I think it’s just your ego talking.  

Todd Hayen
Todd Hayen
Dec 5, 2023 3:51 PM
Reply to  Human values

So you are not predicting the future by telling me my prediction is false? (did I make a prediction???) Do you think you are God?

And all of your posts are such a clear example of “ego talking” it is almost funny. Sure, I have an ego, so does everyone. And I suppose if I didn’t have one (which isn’t possible and still be a human) I would say or write absolutely nothing.

I suggest you stop attacking people for having an inflated ego, as the first sign of an inflated ego is accusing others of having one.

Todd Hayen
Todd Hayen
Dec 5, 2023 3:53 PM
Reply to  Human values

This has been fun, but I am done now. See you all in the next reel!

Lupa
Lupa
Dec 14, 2023 9:02 AM
Reply to  Todd Hayen

For years I’ve opined that somebody should take that Johnny Knoxville seriously and have a program in schools for boys to work this out, doing competitive stunts. It doesn’t have to be excessively dangerous. Rites of passage.

“in this current culture, we have no place for a man to constellate his “warrior” archetype—except as a criminal and many are developed and implemented by the agenda.”  

Lupa
Lupa
Dec 14, 2023 8:46 AM
Reply to  Todd Hayen

Like The Beastmaster.

Pilgrim Shadow
Pilgrim Shadow
Dec 2, 2023 2:14 PM
Reply to  Jule
Placental_Mammal
Placental_Mammal
Dec 2, 2023 11:08 PM
Reply to  Pilgrim Shadow

Everyone everywhere does the bankster’s bidding.

mgeo
mgeo
Dec 3, 2023 6:50 AM
Reply to  Jule

After World War 2, great effort went into ensuring that Germans never investigated their history or questioned the official version. This extended to the barbarity of the victors. As Project Ukraine shows, Germany – and most of Europe – is still thoroughly enslaved on the major issues.

ariel
ariel
Dec 3, 2023 4:48 PM
Reply to  mgeo

Too true, To paraphrase Clausewitz allegedly ‘war is simply a continuation of politics by other means.’