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Jesus, Gaza, and the Murder of Useless People

Edward Curtin

Jesus was a Palestinian Jew born in Bethlehem.  He grew up in Nazareth and was executed as a criminal in Jerusalem. It is because of him that we celebrate Christmas.  But it is in spite of him that what we celebrate is the opposite of what he stood for.

The different stories of his birth, told by Mathew and Luke in the New Testament, which are the bases for Christmas, are not filled with sugar plum fairies and sleighs filled with useless, unnecessary consumer goods.  There’s nothing about a Jolly Old St. Nicholas or baked ham or candy canes.  No gifts to return in a frenzied rush that replicates their purchase.  No credit card bills that come due in the new year.  No “Jingle Bell Rock” with Brenda Lee or “White Christmas” with Bing Crosby.

Just a poor child’s birth to fulfill a prophecy that out of life would come death and out of death would come life.  That hope was improbable but possible with faith.

These birth narratives, which tell of a nativity that concludes with the grown child’s suffering, public crucifixion, death, and Resurrection – a story that lives on with the suffering of so many innocents – are, as Gary Wills puts it in What the Gospels Meant, “. . . far from feel-good stories.  They tell of a family outcast and exiled, hunted and rejected.  They tell of children killed, of a sword to pierce the mother’s heart, of a judgment on the nations.”  They are stories of rejection, massacre, and a desperate flight from death at an early age.  They are not what most people now consider to be the essence of Christmas since a radical Palestinian Jew’s story has been almost totally erased by the glitz and greed of getting and spending to fuel an economy geared for war and killing.

Mathew and Luke’s birth narratives are replicated again and again throughout history, presently and most conspicuously in Gaza and the West Bank, as the massacre of the innocents continues under today’s King Herod, Benjamin Netanyahu, the client king of Washington, not Rome, while U.S. politicians, including Robert F. Kennedy, Jr., who claims to be a defender of children and opposed to U.S. war policies, support this genocide with rhetorical justifications that the Trappist monk Thomas Merton called the unspeakable:

It is the void that contradicts everything that is spoken even before the words are said; the void that gets into the language of public and official declarations at the very moment when they are pronounced, and makes them ring dead with the hollowness of the abyss. It is the void out of which Eichmann drew the punctilious exactitude of his obedience . . .

To the shock of so many of Kennedy’s early supporters, he claims, among other unspeakable assertions, that the Israelis have been the innocent victims of the Palestinians for 75 years, and they “could flatten Gaza” if they chose to, but instead have kindly used high-tech explosives “to avoid civilian casualties”; that they are not committing genocide intentionally. Indeed, his defense of the indefensible Israeli war crimes is widely shared by the compromised political leadership of both parties in Washinton, D.C., a place Kennedy is hoping to reach as the top of the heap, but he is contradicting all his talk about spiritual renewal and healing the divide, and it is especially galling and hypocritical as we try to celebrate the birth of the Prince of Peace.

While the genocide of Palestinians is being documented every ongoing day now, the Gospel stories are different in that they were written after the fact and were not based on eyewitness testimony but are narratives of deep symbolic faith significance, historically wrong in places, but told to signify religious truths of the early Christian faith community.

Once there was a mother and father with their child on the run to safety in Egypt; today there are millions of Palestinian refugees on a bombed-out unarmed road of flight to nowhere but a dead-end.

A few days ago my wife and I were caring for our son’s two dogs.  Down the hill as night came on, the town set off fireworks – those bombs bursting in air (Oh how lovely is war!) – to celebrate and encourage people to buy holiday gifts, what can only fairly be described as acquisitive consumer madness that many realize yet have accepted as an essential part of the Christmas message.  As the fireworks exploded loudly, the dogs started to quake uncontrollably and we had to hold them tight to comfort them.

Yes, they are animals, but sentient animals with deep feelings; and yes, they are not children in Gaza quivering in fear as the Israelis bomb them night and day in savage attacks.  But as we held those frightened dogs, feeling their hearts beat fast as they gasped for breath, the visceral sense of what those Palestinians must be feeling, as they hold their trembling children who are butchered as useless objects, overwhelmed me.  As they are “thinned out,” as Netanyahu is reported to have said, I felt sick at heart to be living safely in a country that finances and supports such slaughter.  A country in which buying and selling is the real religion, people have become commodities, and Christmas has become the celebration of such grotesqueries.

I keep thinking of the difference between human beings and things; life and death; money and power; acquisitiveness and poverty; and, as Norman O. Brown puts it in Life Against Death, “an economy driven by a pure sense of guilt, unmitigated by any sense of redemption.”

In his classic study, Brown makes clear that it is erroneous to think that the secular and the sacred are exclusive opposites, as if the secular has replaced the “irrational” beliefs of religion with clean science and logical thinking; has banished irrational superstitions with abstract, objective, quantitative, and impersonal thinking.  On the contrary, he argues that the whole modern secular money complex – the spirit of capitalism – is rooted in the psychology of guilt and the secular sacred.  He writes:

The psychological realities here are best grasped in terms of theology, and were already grasped by Luther. Modern secularism, and its companion Protestantism, do not usher in an era in which human consciousness is liberated from supernatural manifestations; the essence of the Protestant (or capitalist) era is that the power over this world has passed from God to God’s negation, God’s ape, the Devil. And already Luther had seen in money the essence of the secular, and therefore of the demonic. The money complex is the demonic, and the demonic is God’s ape; the money complex is therefore the heir to and substitute for the religious complex, an attempt to find God in things.

Things, just like money, beyond a certain minimum necessary for a simple life of use, do not, as everyone knows, bring happiness.  This is because they are dead – excrement – the Devil’s favorite toy.

Take all those useless and superfluous objects people exchange during the holiday season.  The disposable gifts that are purchased to ease the guilt of giving and receiving.  Or such “objects” as an autograph of a famous person, an art work such as Andy Warhol’s Shot Sage Blue Marilyn that sold at auction last year for $195 million, Babe Ruth’s bat, Princess Diana’s evening dress ($1,148 million at auction), antlers over a fireplace and trophies of all sorts – the examples are manifold – they serve to confer on their owners a sacred prestige (etymology = deception, illusion) that is pure magic.  Like vast piles of money, they are talismanic protectors against death.  Their magical properties are irrational and rarely acknowledged, for to do so would reveal the absurdity of their acquisition and the pathetic nihilistic core of their owners.  They are outward signs of inward barrenness, yet for those who possess these useless objects they are magic ordure.

The more expensive the objects the more social power they mystically confer, since the message is that the owner can always give it up for a pot of gold but doesn’t have to since they are sitting on a lot more gold, which is really a pot of shit.  In other words, wealth, its possession and the avid desire for it, signifies power over people and that power includes using them in many ways, including their labor, and killing them if one chooses, quickly or slowly, overtly or deviously, directly or indirectly, for some people are useless objects, inferior people.

Such power is central to politics and warfare, as a quick glance at the wealth of war-promoting politicians will reveal.

It is central to the widespread thinking today that the world is filled with useless people who must be disposed of one way or the other.

It is a fundamental tenet of the World Economic Forum, the Gates-Rockefeller et al. crowd, and the racist eugenics promoters today and yesterday.

It is behind the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA) biological weapons gain-of-function research, the Covid-19 propaganda, and the CIA’s and Defense Department’s distribution of the mRNA countermeasures (“vaccines”).

It is central to the hideously obscene profits of the medical military-industrial complex and the world-wide arms industry.

It is central to the genocide taking place in Gaza.  For the Israeli rulers, the problem is that the Palestinians exist, so they must be exterminated.

It’s still the same old story told differently down through the ages.

Hitler enacted it against the Jews.

Once long ago, it was a Palestinian Jewish boy born in a manger destined to make trouble for the rulers of the empire who had to be eliminated one way or another.  Today that child of God is any Palestinian child, destined, we are told by the rulers of Israel, to grow into a terrorist animal.

Christmas is about a birth, the birth of a boy who would become a man who sided with the outcasts, the poor, the forsaken, the gentle, and the peacemakers.  His birth and life was a rebuke to the powerful and the rich who lord it over the innocent, the killers, those who profit at the expense of others, who amass wealth and useless possessions to parade their power, a show of power which, unknown to their self-obsessed minds, is a sign of their spiritual nullity.

I have nothing against Santa.  I once sat on his lap and he seemed nice to my four year-old mind.  He was fat and jolly.  He told me I would get what I wanted for Christmas.  But he forgot to tell me what Christmas was really about.

That is what I want.

To remember.

Edward Curtin is an independent writer whose work has appeared widely over many years. His website is edwardcurtin.com and his new book is Seeking Truth in a Country of Lies.

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Dec 25, 2023 1:18 PM

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Sam - Admin2
Dec 30, 2023 2:04 AM
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One person didn’t have a pleasant day. 😢

tom
tom
Feb 7, 2024 6:09 AM

Jesus or to give Him His correct name in the language he spoke ( Aramaic ) Yeshua, was a great miracle worker. From walking on the sea of Galilee to turning water into a nice King David Muscat. However one miracle He was not able to perform was that of being as the article states, a Palestinian Jew. He was a Jew, a Judean Jew. The term Syria et Philistine was not coined by the Romans until 136AD, over a hundred years after His death and resurrection. This term being anglicised into Palestine. The term being intended as an insult to the Jews as it was derived from their ancient enemies, the Philistines. A non semetic people from the Aegean Islands that settled the coastal area of what is now Gaza. Funnily enough the word Philistine comes from the hebrew (plishtim) that means “invaders”. How apt.

Erik Nielsen
Erik Nielsen
Jan 6, 2024 4:42 PM

There is still a snake in paradise, thus a thumb down. It wouldnt be a whole story if the minus werent there. (It wasnt me).

Graham Greene
Graham Greene
Dec 29, 2023 4:02 PM

Let me see now, ah yes those splendid chaps in the IDF. Mass murder comprising 70% mainly women and children – often small children who were lovingly wrapped in white shrouds and then laid to rest before burial. Buildings were systematically abolished so no one could use hospitals, schools, libraries and so forth. Oh and I almost forgot IDF soldiers entered arab-Palestinians’ houses which had been vacated and occupied IDF soldiers who began wrecking the place, and the final coup de grace – were defecating, in the owner’s living room. Fucking animals!

Vagabard
Vagabard
Dec 29, 2023 12:51 PM

Whilst some choose to harp to the tune of ‘genocide’, an elephant in the room:

Could the US be using the Israel-Hamas conflict to piggyback into Iran?

The West may now have no option but to attack Iran (OR The Middle East a la John Bolton):
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/12/28/the-west-may-now-have-no-option-but-to-attack-iran/

NickM
NickM
Dec 30, 2023 6:18 AM
Reply to  Vagabard

No way. John Mackain died chanting “BomBomBom Iran”. John Bolton will die the same way. And so will Nathan Yahoo. Meanwhile Iran joins the BRICS.

“Les chiens hurlent, le caravan s’en marche” (The dogs bark, the caravan marches on) — Middle Eastern proverb.

Erik Nielsen
Erik Nielsen
Jan 6, 2024 7:04 PM
Reply to  Vagabard

No. I believe Russia is the target. Iran is too dangerous to attack now in many ways.

Straight Talk
Straight Talk
Dec 29, 2023 12:14 PM

I Remember the Real Christmas by Naomi Wolf. Outstanding article.

davetherave
davetherave
Dec 29, 2023 11:23 AM

Ed will you still be voting for RFK jr..?

Nick Baam
Nick Baam
Dec 27, 2023 3:03 PM

No gifts to return in a frenzied rush that replicates their purchase. No credit card bills that come due in the new year.’

I am sick and tired of people like Curtin telling me how I spend my Christmas, what Christmas means to me. Seriously: who do you think you are?

Kerri
Kerri
Jan 16, 2024 3:01 PM
Reply to  Nick Baam

It’s a good piece of writing with thoughts to reflect on. I didn’t take that he was telling ME what to do.

Raoullo
Raoullo
Dec 27, 2023 7:41 AM

Agree with your description of the context around the nativity, sure wasn’t a walk in the park. Don’t know how you could be surprised by Kennedy’s support of the genocide, as the guy has been a pretty consistent lover of Zion and just another snivelling politician seeking to curry favour from Christian fondamentalists.

The point about Israel being under Uncle Scam’s thumb deserves consideration however. There’s more than meets the eye with respect to the the Zionist project. One of the reasons I think Bibi is so cocky, is that the US and Israel are coreligionist and comrades in arms; they realy are a two-headed hydra going about executing Eretz Yisrael Hashlema.

As for your long diatribe against Christmas consumerism and capitalism, although I do think the question deserves attention, it’s fastidiously redundant and distract from the nature of the current genocidal monster we should all be concerned with, as it could end up devouring much more than the Middle East.

Consider for example that there are millions of American ‘Christian’ voters who are 100% on board with the current program of extermination in Gaza. These people are truly convinced that the holocaust of the Palestinians is decreed by God, just as they believe that the ‘Zionist Jews’ — which are neither a race, nor a religion, but a supremacist ideology– are God’s chosen people. The fact that you currently have so many American ‘Christians,’ alongside Israeli ‘Jews,’ holding such criminally absurd and inhuman convictions should give everyone pause. It’s going on 3 months now, and nothing has stopped this accelerating descent into complete homicidal barbaric madness!

NickM
NickM
Dec 30, 2023 6:10 AM
Reply to  Raoullo

“The point about Israel being under Uncle Scam’s thumb deserves consideration however.”

Upon consideration of that point, it reverses my usual notion that big Uncle is under the thumb of little Izzie — “Israel” being the prestige office of global Anglo Zio Capitalism.

There may be a circular relation: the U$A arms Israel as its “arsenal of democracy” in the Middle East, then an Israeli prime minister who is a dual citizen compels the U$ to supply more arms for a Zionazi genocide which embarasses the U$.

Marilyn Shepherd
Marilyn Shepherd
Dec 26, 2023 10:05 PM

All the clowns with imbecile fantasies about gods and old books meaning something seem to have forgotten the essential point CRIMINAL STATELET ISRAEL IS COMMITTING FUCKING GENOCIDE TO GET THE LAND AND THE TRILLIONS OF LITRES OF GAS OFF THE GAZA BORDER.

susan mullen
susan mullen
Dec 27, 2023 4:40 AM

It’s the US war mob that’s committing every genocide on earth.

NickM
NickM
Dec 27, 2023 8:21 AM

Thank you, Marilyn, for some good old Ozzie forthrightness.

semaj
semaj
Dec 27, 2023 5:13 PM

I believe that the licences for oil and gas drilling have already been applied for by Israel and others and the bloods not dry yet. I do hope that the IDF ( I was just following orders) get what they deserve in the end and Bibi feels that rope tighten soon.

NickM
NickM
Dec 28, 2023 1:45 PM
Reply to  semaj

https://www.commondreams.org › news › israel-settlements-gaza

‘Cashing in on Genocide’: Israeli Firm Pitches Beachfront Real Estate …

Dec 19, 2023 Israeli real estate developer specializing in the construction of illegal settlements to build beachfront homes for Jewish colonists over the bombed-out ruins of Gaza.

NickM
NickM
Dec 28, 2023 4:21 PM
Reply to  semaj

Israeli real estate firm already offers beach front residence in Gaza.

Erik Nielsen
Erik Nielsen
Jan 6, 2024 6:59 PM

I have already pointed out that Hamas and Israel should not make more arguments but talk it over, and that I want peace now as this is my opinion.
Hereafter its up to Israel and Hamas to stop it.

NickM
NickM
Dec 26, 2023 4:43 PM

Scott Ritter, one of those few Just men without whom the State cannot stand, sums up the present situation of “the West” in general and NATZO in particular:

“We are heading for Terminal Stupid faster than most people realise”.

NATZO used to be a genuine North Atlantic military alliance capable of engaging in Real War against Soviet Russia, on a Continental scale. But Russia did not play fair, and refused to invade “the West” — in fact the USSR vacated the handful of European countries that the USSR had liberated from Fascism in WW2. (Most of those countries did not want to be liberated from Fascism because they were already Fascist when WW2 started; so they did not even say Thank you to the Russia — neither for Liberating them nor for withdrawing after Liberation).

After USSR withdrawal and Gorbachev’s & Khruschev’s gift of Ukraine as a peace offering, top NATZO brass such as Lord Carrington were faced with the prospect of losing their cushy jobs. (They did “nothing in particular and did it very well”).

So NATZO hired out its 700 Million strong North Atlantic Alliance as the muscle men of a protection racket, extorting wealth for Anglo Zio Capitalists by beating up little countries around Mediterranean Europe, the Middle East and North Africa. The North Atlantic Alliance started with a spectacular victory by cutting up little Serbia (population 7Million — just one hundredth of NATZO’s size — into even smaller pieces. Very profitable, because Kosovo was the price demanded by Albania for allowing the AZC to build a pipeline to the Med.

Then NATZO destroyed another little 7M country, Libya, sodomized its leader with a bayonet, and gained billions of Petro$ for Rotschild oil companies.

Emboldened by these triumphs, NATZO invaded bigger quarry, Afganistan (pop.40M) and, after some profitable years of reviving the opium trade under NATZO’s protection, was ignominiously expelled. NATZO never dared attack Iran (pop.80M) and turned to less risky “proxy wars”: building up 0.5M strong armies of ideological Islamic and Nazi fanatics in Syria and Ukraine respectively. Both in Syria and in Ukraine, NATZO was beaten — though thankfully the casualties were not EU$A soldiers but foreign mercenary proxies — ISIS in Syria and Azov in Ukraine.

By now, after decades of fighting only little “protection actions” in little backward countries, NATZO has grown fat and lazy and has ceased to be a fighting force on a Continental scale. Yet it still dreams of taking on China after it has finished Russia — or vice versa. Like the officers of the Titanic rushing full speed ahead toward Big Stupid.

https://youtu.be/eHA-oMVNNu8?si=Jr1DiE1-RLqKotGy

NickM
NickM
Dec 26, 2023 5:26 AM

The young lady in “Dispatches” asks how come “we” created a world where “it’s OK to bomb civilian targets, it’s OK to flatten women and children in the rubble of their homes”. She is so young that she could scarcely have been born, or scarcely aware of her surroundings on 11th September in the year 2001 of this new century, when “we” let it happen.

When Benjamin Netanyahoo, a dual citizen of the U$A and Prime Minister of Israel, returned to his native country to receive a standing ovation from both Houses of Congress. Then the dual regimes — little “Shrub” Bush and big Nathan the Yahoo — got down to business. Their combined “Military Intelligence” services blew up 3 buildings with 3,000 U$ civilians trapped inside while little “Shrub” — a devout and public Christian from a prominent Oligarch family — read improving stories to a class of infant school children. One of those infants might have been this very lady.

The twin regimes — the Bush/Cheney regime of U$A and the Yahoo regime of Israel then joined with the B.Liar regime of UK to create “The Coalition of the Killing” which made a Million widows in Iraq. That is when “we” let it be OK to bomb civilians, to flatten women and children under the rubble of their own homes.

Older video presenters might put the date a little further back than the beginning of the 21st century. They might remember the Clinton regime, whose Jewish Foreign Minister said that killing 0.5Million Iraqi children by depriving them of food and medicine was “a price worth paying” — by their parents — for the goal of weakening Israel’s “existential enemy” Iraq for subsequent invasion by the Coalition of the Killing.

“Dispatches” video:
https://www.youtube.com/live/gsbwUT-p8vo?si=zHtwhEvx3dd-wi9N

semaj
semaj
Dec 27, 2023 5:21 PM
Reply to  NickM

Madeline Albright (what a misnomer that is) the mother and grandmother is the one who said what you have quoted about 500k children. These creatures that control the world are just pure evil incarnate and I hope they suffer long and hard before their demise. Unfortunately, just like Kissinger, only the good die young.

Antonym
Antonym
Dec 26, 2023 4:43 AM

Murder of useless people: Nethanyahu brought in Pfilzer into Israel big time. He thought he had a deal, free injections traded for data. Looks like he was not in on the WEF Cabal’s game plan to reduce the world population by a lot. It is in his interest to suppress a mounting Israeli death toll post Vaxx, to obscure his own blunder. Also thought he could buy off Hamas. Not the brightest is the class, rashest yes. Not racist, plenty Muslims in Israel and blacks too. Narcist? Quite possible.

John Milton
John Milton
Dec 26, 2023 7:57 AM
Reply to  Antonym

Of course he knew.

davetherave
davetherave
Dec 29, 2023 11:24 AM
Reply to  Antonym

Looks soooooooooooooooo real, especially like the smile.

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Tom
Tom
Dec 26, 2023 4:00 AM

I am always thankful to this website for its exposure of the “Covid” scam. However, I cannot get myself to comprehend the bias towards the Palestinians and against Israel. I’m not saying Israel is not at fault. I understand the modern state of Israel could well be a concoction of some hidden powers that this website has never shied away from exposing. And in a war, there will always be innocent lives lost. But has anyone from here ever studied about Islam, its roots, the genocidal tendencies of its founder, and how it swept violently across the ME, occupying lands that didn’t belong to itself, ultimately becoming the cause of the ME conflicts today?

NickM
NickM
Dec 26, 2023 5:36 AM
Reply to  Tom

“I’m not saying Israel is not at fault.”

So you agree that Israel is “at fault”; like Hitler was “at fault”.

So others in history were also “at fault”. So that’s alright then.

On a scale of 1 to 10 how big a “fault” would you rate Genocide?

George Mc
George Mc
Dec 26, 2023 10:21 AM
Reply to  Tom

Yes let’s once again divert attention away from the actual proceedings in Israel/Gaza (which are certainly not the concoction of “hidden powers” but pretty bloody staring everyone in the face) and talk yet again about vast abstract notions of the (allegedly) true nature of entire religious movements.

Marilyn Shepherd
Marilyn Shepherd
Dec 26, 2023 9:47 PM
Reply to  Tom

What a fucking moron, Israel is the problem, it’s been killing Palestinians and stealing their land and resources for 75 fucking years, and it is not a war, it’s genocide against occupied people.

Fuck I hate pricks like you, so twisted, ignorant and racist you demonise every muslim on earth and claim Israel is not to blame. There are christians in Palestine too, my grandpa was in Gaza in WW11 before we fucking betrayed them and gave their country to zionist trash

STJOHNOFGRAFTON
STJOHNOFGRAFTON
Dec 26, 2023 11:32 PM

Your language gives you away as a coarse, sewer-mouthed hag. Your type is covered by Matthew 15:18 “But what comes out of the mouth proceeds from the heart, and this defiles a person”.

mgeo
mgeo
Dec 27, 2023 4:51 AM

Sure. Genocide may be bad but coarse language is worse. 🙂

semaj
semaj
Dec 27, 2023 5:29 PM
Reply to  mgeo

Fuck genocide.

Erik Nielsen
Erik Nielsen
Jan 6, 2024 6:49 PM
Reply to  mgeo

Its the tone. The insulting tone which hurts the feelings of a decent person who only want to do good and who is doing good.

This is something we never talk about, but should talk about instead of all this Gaza bs.
Gaza is erased from the surface anyway, but the tone can be changed. We can do it. We can change the tone, and IF we want change, we can change the world.
Read my wise lips!

semaj
semaj
Dec 27, 2023 5:27 PM

What a fine Christian attitude. Please, please show me any evidence of a god, any god, that loves the human race? Some dates and times would be welcome so I can do a fact check.

tom
tom
Feb 7, 2024 6:01 AM

Tell us where you are from Mazza so we can lay bare the sins of your nation which will no doubt be far greater than those of the Yahudah. I suspect you are from Old Blighty by the sounds of it, I dont think anyone can rival us for nicking land, stealing resources and capitalising on others misfortune. Tell me I’m wrong. People in glasshouses should not throw stones and you my dear are throwing rocks.

STJOHNOFGRAFTON
STJOHNOFGRAFTON
Dec 26, 2023 2:32 AM

Edward Curtin, your article is shamefully biased:

..as the massacre of the innocents continues under today’s King Herod, Benjamin Netanyahu, the client king of Washington, not Rome, while U.S. politicians, including Robert F. Kennedy, Jr., who claims to be a defender of children and opposed to U.S. war policies, support this genocide with rhetorical justifications that the Trappist monk Thomas Merton called the unspeakable:

Alluding to Matthew and Luke’s Gospel does not give cachet to your biased article where you fail to mention the ‘massacre of inocents’ by Hamas, the client warlords of Iran.

NickM
NickM
Dec 26, 2023 6:21 AM

Name those innocents: name the dozens of babies who were allegedly beheaded by Hamas (according to the Yahoo regime’s propaganda). Name the hundreds of women who were raped (according to the Yahoo regime’s propaganda).

Most of the Israeli civilians were killed by their Yahoo regime’s “Samson” policy: Let an Israeli die in the crossfire if also kills some of Israel’s “existential enemies”. Most of Hamas opponents were Israeli military killed in
action by a daring and well planned raid on Israeli military and intelligence border posts — arguably the most daring and best planned guerilla operation of this century. The world was beginning to forget the Palestinians. The long delayed Palestinian State was in danger of sinking into UN unfiniished business. The illegal Israeli State was beginning to be recognized inside its stolen borders. No longer: that is Hamas’s greatest victory; a Diplomatic victory on the International stage

John Milton
John Milton
Dec 26, 2023 8:04 AM
Reply to  NickM

Name the innocents killed by Israel

NickM
NickM
Dec 26, 2023 5:13 PM
Reply to  John Milton

A small fraction — a few hundred or a thousand — have already been named in various videos and news items. Some families have lost ten or a hundred members. The rest of the 20 thousand Palestinian victims will be named in years to come after the Palestinian Holocaust. Just like the Jewish victims of Genocide were gredually built up after WW2 by Ha Shem in Israel.

Even if one were to believe the Yahoo regime’s claim of 1000 Israeli civilian victims (and the Yahoo’s claims look increasingly dubious) then “An Eye For An Eye” would demand the killing of 1000 Palestinian civilians as Justice according to the Old Testament.

But 20,000 men women and children, bombed day after day, without Anti-air defense, with starvation added and medical facilities withdrawn: That is not Justice, it is Genocide.

Marilyn Shepherd
Marilyn Shepherd
Dec 26, 2023 9:53 PM

Fuckwit, Israel killed most of the people they claim Hamas killed, then blamed hamas as an excuse for a long planned return to the ethnic cleansing. I would also like to point out that Iran has not attacked anyone for over 200 years while hell scape Israel keeps murdering all their neighbours.

How are people so fucking ignorant

STJOHNOFGRAFTON
STJOHNOFGRAFTON
Dec 26, 2023 11:33 PM

Your language gives you away as a coarse, sewer-mouthed hag. Your type is covered by Matthew 15:18 “But what comes out of the mouth proceeds from the heart, and this defiles a person”.

Elmo
Elmo
Dec 27, 2023 11:40 PM

Your reply doesn’t negate the fact that you are, indeed, a fuckwit.

semaj
semaj
Dec 27, 2023 5:48 PM

Exactly, that’s why Israel said it was their 9/11 moment because it was an inside job.

Graham Greene
Graham Greene
Dec 29, 2023 3:42 PM

‘How are people are so fucking ignorant’ – Well, because they are just that, ignorant, and not just ignorant but abjectly and evil. They simply do not wish to know. We should always remember the lovely Madeline Albright. The killing of 5000 arab children was apparently ”Worth It.” Yep, job, job – well done. I often wonder if I live on the same planet as people like this.

bleak
bleak
Dec 26, 2023 1:58 AM

Before the ecumenical council of Nicaea, the first church of Christ and it’s writings (around 144AD) were popular. The first written “Bible” did not contain Judaic books, only the teachings of Jesus Christ through the writings of Paul and Luke, for it was he and they who brought Salvation to this evil world by the True God, the one he called “Father.”

The Marcionites were reduced to ineffectual “heretics” in the eyes of the majority by all the same methods they use to this very day to run a movement into the ground; lies, half-truths, a smear here a smear there… and declarations of course like “thou shalt not read the works of heretics…” etc.

Look at it and make your own decision. Ask yourself why have we been told it’s “Judeo-Christianity” when it’s only the New Covenant of Jesus Christ that matters.

As Paul said wrote in Romans 5:14…

Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam’s transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.

For Paul and the early Christians knew the Torah was not to be read and understood through a literal ‘black and white’ interpretation.

If God were named “Yahweh,” why is that name not mentioned in the New Testament even once? Why didn’t Jesus himself (who was supposedly a Jew) never use that word according to the churches of Rome?

Ask yourself and look. What harm can it cause at this point?

‘Whose God?’ Video Challenge

Can you watch these three short videos based on literal Torah scripture and still think ‘Yahweh’ is our Christian God revea​led to us through Jesus? Many have tried…

https://pre-nicene.org/Whose-God-Challenge.html

https://www.marcionitechurch.org/

Erik Nielsen
Erik Nielsen
Dec 26, 2023 2:40 PM
Reply to  bleak

For me your approach is working in negative. Why should we be fiddling in negative fragments when we can pick out the the positive truth?

Notwithstanding the paper is Donald Duck, the Torah or Bible or a Symposium from Harvard, is it true or not? If it is true it is God, because only God is true.

We are born with an organic instinct to connect us with true Cosmos. Only by deception and wrong teaching mislead us, and only by will to do the wrong disconnect us from the correct road.
God is not found in any paper but in the way our universe function. As there is only One God “Thou shall only have one God“, why does it matter what name it is.
“Our Father in Heaven” is an excellent name.

bleak
bleak
Dec 26, 2023 8:18 PM
Reply to  Erik Nielsen

I appreciate your comment and you are right in that a “negative” or apophatic theology (what God is not) is partly the reason why a revived Marcionite movement could help atheists/agnostics, pagans and other non-believers change their minds and turn (back again if as you say they are listening to their “organic instinct”) to Jesus Christ. Because it is literal interpretation of the Old Testament’s angry, spiteful, jealous God which turns people away. There are levels of understanding to the OT/Torah which the Roman churches have never understood. Or if they understood, they never let on and taught it to others. Only some Jews understand the OT/Torah’s true meanings (and they keep this knowledge amongst themselves) which is why Judaism is a different religion than Christianity!

Jesus told the Jews “I and my Father are one” (John 10:22-30) and they “believed him not.” Jews from back then until today do not believe Jesus Christ is the Savior and Redeemer of humanity. Why then was the Roman church so adamant about keeping with Judaism? Not an easy question.

Erik Nielsen
Erik Nielsen
Dec 27, 2023 1:28 AM
Reply to  bleak

I picked up a text, I always have in my bible:

“Beware of “organisation”. It is wholly unnecessary. The Bible rules will be the only rules you will need.
Do not seek to bind others’ consciences, and do not permit others to bind yours.
Believe and obey so far as you can understand God’s Word to-day, and so continue growing in grace and knowledge and love day by day.”

Organised religion dont like that text as they loose their position as middleman between God and their sheep, but I find it useful.
It requires work to get through the symbolic in the Bible, and some nuts are more easy to crack than others.

semaj
semaj
Dec 27, 2023 5:55 PM
Reply to  Erik Nielsen

Thou shall have only one god implies that there are others to choose from? All religions think they are right, boy are there going to be some disappointed souls.

Erik Nielsen
Erik Nielsen
Dec 28, 2023 1:07 AM
Reply to  semaj

Its an advice. Because if you have several God’s, you get confused yes?
By only having one God you are focused..

Catholics have a lot of saints, Michael, Maria, Lucas. Francis, m.m. and confuse their minds. They lack attention on Christ’s message.

Muslims are focused on Allah and Mohammed, one God.

Human values
Human values
Dec 28, 2023 5:34 PM
Reply to  semaj

There is only one true God, common to us all, and all other gods are false gods, lies. One truth – many lies.

God is the absolute truth, truth being the first good thing, and everything good is in God.

Do not fear God, as they mistranslated in the Bible, but Respect the Truth, as was the original text.  

semaj
semaj
Dec 29, 2023 5:35 PM
Reply to  Human values

Who decides which god is the true god, its a bit like its always the victors who write history and we all know most history that is taught is a lie. The trouble to me is that all religions are centred around control and I firmly believe in some sort of creation of our reality and therefore a creator or creators but I do not worship or need a religion to have that belief. Is it that you believe in a god only because someone has told you what to believe?
I do not see and never have in my 70 years any suggestion that there is any so called god that loves the human race. Please tell me if you have as I would happily accept that I am wrong.

Human values
Human values
Dec 30, 2023 12:19 AM
Reply to  semaj

Yes, well, God has nothing to do with those religions which were made by men. Emperor Constantine (murderer) created the religion of Christianity, stole some books of wisdom for his own ends and established rulership of old men, military and power of money.

Or so the history says. It could be just a story, created to teach a lesson. I don’t know. I doubt all history these days.

God can’t be chosen, as God is what always has been. We can’t choose what the truth is. The truth is what the truth is. Think about what’s the absolute truth. What is eternally true. What can never change, no matter how many opinions exist. Simple mathematics or logic is easy enough to understand. 2 + 2 equals eternally 4. A = A. Things are what they are. When we think about God, all those Christian images of men are best forgotten. They are just distraction. The only way to truth is truth itself. Truth equals God.

Spirit of Truth. Is the same as the Holy Spirit. That spirit resides in each soul, that means you.

Every soul is connected to God. Our problem is, we sinned. Humanity fell in sin, when it believed a lie. Sin means godlessness, going against God, and there are no other sins. So when we discard the truth and goodness of God, we choose sin instead of God. When we believe a lie, the truth is rejected, and when we do evil, goodness is absent. So sin lacks God, like lies are lacking the truth.

Indeed there is God and one true God. God’s goodness and truth are available to every one of us, always. Since the Holy Spirit is in each one of us, we only have to turn to it with our thoughts, or sometimes spoken words. The God that is inside you is the same God that is inside me. It doesn’t matter what people think of themselves, what group they belong to or what their body is like. None of those things matter. But truth matters.

Without truth, how could we know what is good? Without truth, how could we know what is just, or what is freedom, or what is love? But the all-knowing God knows already all those things.

That Spirit that is inside you, knows everything about you, just ask!

You ask Yourself, that’s called thinking.

Children usually know that quite naturally. Then they get socialized and brainwashed with many lies. We all have.

So how to be rid of all those lies inside us, and how to be rid of all evil that makes us sick and unhappy? Apparently God has the answer to that too!

But, of course, everyone’s questions are quite personal.

semaj
semaj
Dec 30, 2023 12:04 PM
Reply to  Human values

I appreciate the patronising lecture but still no answer to my previous challenge of evidence, I wonder why?

Human values
Human values
Dec 31, 2023 10:42 AM
Reply to  semaj

Only God can give you evidence of God.

God is not in time or history but above all – the Creator.

The only evidence you can ever count on is direct experience in Your life.

Other people can tell their stories, but there is never any way for you to know when they’re lying and when they’re speaking the truth, is there? You can never truly check anything if you weren’t there witnessing or living it.

If you’re asking other people to show you God, all we can do is point. No-one can bring you God on a plate.

God is not a thing.

God is not somebody. The absolute truth and goodness simply cannot be anything that can be shown to you. Instead of keeping those images of some figure or character, or a person, it’s better to use abstract thinking. And logic.

Laws of thought work. Contradictions in logic don’t work, and they only show you the error.

You say you ”appreciate” what you don’t appreciate (”patronising lecture”). There’s an obvious contradiction that shows lack of logic. It’s always better to be honest and straightforward.

If your intention was to be mean and condescending, then your intention was that. Either way, it shows it wasn’t the soul talking.

Antonym
Antonym
Dec 26, 2023 1:55 AM

If you hate Israel so much that you want to dish RFK you assist Biden-2, with another round of lockdowns & injections. CBDSs on top.

Killing innocents? Check out Hamas who breed and use them as cannon fodder, in solid Islamic tradition. Where do women or children have more rights, in Israel or next door?

Real genocide? Go no further than Turkey in 1915 with the Armenians. Or try Cambodia in 1976, numbers in the millions, not thousands. The Ukraine war is in the hundreds of thousands.

The woke left were and always will be the first victims of their “friendly” Islamists, like in Iran.

Marilyn Shepherd
Marilyn Shepherd
Dec 26, 2023 9:54 PM
Reply to  Antonym

Why so you racist zionist c…….ts infest everything

semaj
semaj
Dec 27, 2023 6:03 PM
Reply to  Antonym

Ukraine has the facility to fight back, Palestinians do not have an army, a navy or an air force and 99% of the population are unarmed. You seem to imply that thousands are ok but millions are not. If there are only 50 people living in a their tiny country and they are deliberately wiped out its still genocide.

Antonym
Antonym
Dec 26, 2023 1:42 AM

Christmas was the appropriation by The church of an existing festival of light connected to the winter night lengths switching in the northern hemisphere. The Hindus celebrate it too a bit earlier on Deevali. Roman Popes could have placed the birth of Christ anywhere they wanted but on top of a heathen festival was the most con-venient.

semaj
semaj
Dec 27, 2023 6:06 PM
Reply to  Antonym

A 12th or 13th century pope said that ‘this myth of Christ has served us well’. Cannot be bothered to look it up again.

KiwiJoker
KiwiJoker
Dec 25, 2023 10:43 PM

Christmas is merely a narrativisation of the Winter Solstice moved to a date that is meaningless.

NickM
NickM
Dec 26, 2023 6:39 AM
Reply to  KiwiJoker

“Mock on! Mock on! Voltaire, Rousseau
You hurl your dust against the wind
And the wind blows it back again.

The atoms of Democritus
And Newton’s particles of Light,
Are sands upon the great sea shore
Where Israel’s tents do shine so bright”. — Wm.Blake

Gerard
Gerard
Dec 25, 2023 9:25 PM

We’re living in hell and money is the blood of the evil one who reigns over this earthly misery!

But rejoice, for the Good will win, like Truth will win, like Love will create. Love is G*D, which is the salvation. The other way is Hate, and that is a dead end of destruction, like you said.

May all people find the way to see the Light of Love in Christ.

John Houk
John Houk
Dec 25, 2023 9:18 PM

I quit reading after first paragraph. Palestine as a geographical location did not exist at Jesus’ birth. Jesus was considered a Galilean Jew. The term Palestine (anglicized from a Latin derivation) did not occur until after Romans applied it after being wearied by Jewish Rebellions to Roman rule.

NickM
NickM
Dec 26, 2023 7:00 AM
Reply to  John Houk

The name Palestine goes back to the Greek “Pulastu” (ancient form of Polis or City-state) founded by the Sea Peoples in the great migration around 1500-1300BC. From Wikipedia:

“The Sea Peoples are a hypothesized seafaring confederation that attacked ancient Egypt and other regions in the East Mediterranean before and during the Late Bronze Age collapse.”

“Strategically situated between three continents, the region of Palestine (also known as the Land of Israel and the Holy Land) has a tumultuous history as a crossroads for religion, culture, commerce, and politics. Palestine is the birthplace of Judaism and Christianity, and has been controlled by many kingdoms and powers, including Ancient Egypt, Ancient Canaan, Ancient Israel, Ancient Judah, the Ancient Persian Empire, Alexander the Great and his Hellenistic Empire successors, the Hasmonean Kingdom, the Roman Empire where it was known as Syria Palaestina a Roman province in the Palestine region of the greater province, Roman Syria, between the early 2nd and late 4th centuries AD. The provincial capital was Caesarea Maritima.

“In modern times, the area was ruled by the Ottoman Empire, then the British Empire and since 1948 it has been divided into Israel, the West Bank, and the Gaza Strip.”

The names Palestine, or Holy Land, and the names of places associated with Palestine such as Egypt, Syria, Canaan, Lebanon, Samaria, Gaza and Aden (Eden) have survived 3,500 years. I guess they are good to survive another 3,500 years.

Marilyn Shepherd
Marilyn Shepherd
Dec 26, 2023 9:54 PM
Reply to  John Houk

WHO FUCKING CARES, ISRAEL DIDN’T EXIST UNTIL 1948 AND THEY ARE COMMITTING FUCKING GENOCIDE OF BABIES, WHO THE FUCK ARE YOU ARSEHOLES

les online
les online
Dec 25, 2023 8:53 PM

A Christmas Present – from Greg
The Heart Is Not A Pump (5 min):
https://gregreese.substack.com/p/the-mysterious-human-heart

NickM
NickM
Dec 26, 2023 7:04 AM
Reply to  les online

Correction: “The Heart is Not only a Pump”.

“Logic demands the mind to choose EITHER/OR but Nature commands us to choose BOTH/AND.” — Wehner von Heisenberg, Mathematical Physicist.

les online
les online
Dec 25, 2023 7:54 PM

The only mention of Jesus getting angry was his rage
at the usurers…Marx wrote somewhere that Judaism
was the ideology of capitalism…

Pilgrim Shadow
Pilgrim Shadow
Dec 25, 2023 8:08 PM
Reply to  les online

He also blighted a fig tree that wasn’t bearing fruit , and sent a herd of demon-possessed swine over a cliff.

NickM
NickM
Dec 26, 2023 7:20 AM
Reply to  Pilgrim Shadow

“Gentle Jesus, meek and mild,
You learn that only when a child.”

Pilgrim Shadow
Pilgrim Shadow
Dec 26, 2023 3:19 PM
Reply to  NickM

I saw heaven opened, and behold, a white horse. And He who sat on him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness He judges and makes war. His eyes were like a flame of fire, and on His head were many crowns. He had a name written that no one knew except Himself. He was clothed with a robe dipped in blood, and His name is called The Word of God. And the armies in heaven, clothed in fine linen, white and clean, followed Him on white horses. Now out of His mouth goes a sharp sword, that with it He should strike the nations. And He Himself will rule them with a rod of iron. He Himself treads the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.

Erik Nielsen
Erik Nielsen
Dec 26, 2023 2:50 PM
Reply to  Pilgrim Shadow

Not only this.
Back in Heaven he allocated 60 000 Special Battle hardened Professional Roman Soldiers to be sent to Jerusalem and slaughtered the entire city, enslaved and banned the Jews from ever entering Jerusalem again…………………….LOL.
And that was not the only thing!

NickM
NickM
Dec 28, 2023 2:25 PM
Reply to  Erik Nielsen

From Wikipedia:

During his father Vespasian’s rule, Titus ended the Judea-Rome War but gained notoriety in Rome for carrying on a controversial relationship with the Jewish queen Berenice. Titus ruled to great acclaim following the death of Vespasian in 79, and was considered a good emperor by Suetonius and other contemporary historians. After barely two years in office, Titus died of a fever on 13 September 81. He was deified by the Roman Senate

It is written that Jesus predicted the destruction of Herod’s magnificent Temple: “no stone shall be left unturned”.

Actually, the Western Wall still stands as a part of the Temple Mount. On the Temple Mount the Empress Helen built a Christian church, later replaced by a Muslim places of worship. These 3 “Peoples of the Book” are thus inextricably intertwined in The Holy Land.

semaj
semaj
Dec 27, 2023 6:12 PM
Reply to  les online

Usury was the cause of Edward 1 (??) expelling the Jews from England and was the reason for other pogroms I think but happy to be proved wrong.

sandy
sandy
Dec 25, 2023 6:55 PM

The first thing I noticed as a kid about the existing social construct, was wall-to-wall hypocrisy. That hypocrisy is reflected in almost every establishment “story” promoted as psychic preemption.

We were just talking about the story telling of western “civilization”. It’s pat structure of antagonist, protagonist, crisis, resolution/conclusion, epilogue, meaning. As Joseph Campbell pointed out, the story telling of hunter-gatherer/indigenous peoples was anything but, this security of tidy moral knots, leaving a false sense of satisfaction. A story starts and ends. A life starts and ends, that’s it. The Western FAKE satisfaction has become an image of what is good, to replace actual action and participation in making a decent world. The story of Christ is used by elites as makeup on the face of their slaughter machine.

The sooner we all separate our representations as entertainments, or merely as the art of communication preceding enacting soliution, the sooner we can focus our social intents to actually live within the moral compass we represent to ourselves.

Other than that… Merry, Merry, y’all!

Jeffrey Strahl
Jeffrey Strahl
Dec 25, 2023 6:24 PM

And yet Mr Curtin continues to support Bobby Jr, who in fact goes further than Joe Biden and claims the Israeli military has taken better care than any other military in history to avoid civilian casualties, while Biden has called Israeli attacks in Gaza “indiscriminate,” even as he continues to support the Israeli government.
Earn Your Leisure
@EarnYourLeisure
RFK Jr. Says Israel Has Done All It Can To Save Lives in Gaza, video 1 minute and 7 seconds.  

1:53 PM · Nov 11, 2023
https://twitter.com/EarnYourLeisure/status/1723458851419099308

Jill
Jill
Dec 25, 2023 10:58 PM
Reply to  Jeffrey Strahl

Mr. Curtn does not support Bobby Jr. anymore. He understands the hypocracy of Bobby Jr’s support of the slaughter of children in Gaza while claiming to be in defense of children. Mr. Curtin as written at length on this and makes reference to it in the aritcle above.

Jeffrey Strahl
Jeffrey Strahl
Dec 26, 2023 6:44 AM
Reply to  Jill

He does not say he no longer supports Junior.

el Gallinazo
el Gallinazo
Dec 25, 2023 5:19 PM

Regarding Curtin’s condemnation of RFK Jr. for his spouting of the demonic Zionist bullshit, I agree with him 100%. I was not disappointed with this since I always held him with a modicum suspicion as controlled opposition. No longer suspicion but now conspiracy fact.

Hang'em
Hang'em
Dec 25, 2023 5:03 PM

The very first line is a lie. “Jews” did not exist at that time.

el Gallinazo
el Gallinazo
Dec 25, 2023 5:00 PM

Is Santa Klaus and Satan Klaus a coincidence?
Great article by Curtin.

NickM
NickM
Dec 26, 2023 7:39 AM
Reply to  el Gallinazo

“Great article by Curtin.” I Agree.

“Is Santa Klaus and Satan Klaus a coincidence?” Yes; and an over-stretched coincidence, because those 2 names come from completely different Linguistic Roots:

Satan from Hebrew (Semitic) root s-t-n “one who opposes, obstructs. In the Greek Septuagint usually translated into Greek (Indo-European) root literally as dia-bolos “one who throws-across” the path of another (from which English devil ).

Santa from Latin (Indo-Europear) root Sanctus holy; via Spanish, as in Santa Maria or some U$ town names Santa Fe.

Jim Beam
Jim Beam
Dec 25, 2023 4:41 PM

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joyeux_No%C3%ABl
Some good review https://sharetext.me/qita6v06kj

You have to click on CC at the bottom right of
the video and select English for the subtitles.
https://upmovies.to/watch/yGDpryG6-joyeux-noel.html

willfulknowledge
willfulknowledge
Dec 25, 2023 1:12 PM

Would you feel better living in Iran and supporting the October 6th massacres? “I felt sick at heart to be living safely in a country that finances and supports such slaughter…,”

el Gallinazo
el Gallinazo
Dec 25, 2023 4:53 PM

Would you have felt more righteous supporting Hitler or Stalin?

NickM
NickM
Dec 26, 2023 7:59 AM

I feel even sicker at hear living in a country that culminates an Apart-Hate policy by committing genocide.

By the way, the “6th October massacre” of Israeli civilians was mostly committed by Israel’s Yahoo regime under their Samson policy of “kill one, kill all”. And the most atrocious (beheading of babies and raping of women) were typical Yahoo Lies — like your Lie about “Iran supporting the October 6th slaughter”. Iran supports the Resistance to Western Colonialism in the Middle East. Hamas is a guerilla member of the Axis of Resistance: Iran, Syria, Palestine, Yeman, and Lebanon’s Hezb’Allah. Soon to be joined by other members; and by a growing feeling of public revulsion against Israel’s increasingly genocidal Apart-Hate policy.

Erik Nielsen
Erik Nielsen
Jan 6, 2024 5:19 PM

Its worse than that.
All European and American taxpayers were voting and paying for training of ISIS and their atrocities.
Western taxpayers too voted and paid for the production and distribution of 6000 tonne heroine from Afghanistan.

“We are innocent, we didnt knew that”, oohh so? But as a voter you make a legal contract with your politicians.
Isnt it your obligation to acquaint yourselves with what the politicians you voted for are doing?

gordan
gordan
Dec 25, 2023 1:05 PM

“While there is infection in disease and sorrow, there is nothing in the world so irresistibly contagious as laughter kindness and good-humour.”

arthur koestler 13th tribe
the name stealers
identity thieves
land pirates of russio stepp
kagan khazar the devils own
a turkic mass murdering demonic entity still conspire.

city of london hollywood weird wall street and the rise of hitler and the bolshevik revolutions

all revolutions dustification usurpation false history

“I have just finished reading Israel Shahak’s “Jewish History – Jewish Religion” and was struck by the absence of any reference to the Khazars and their conversion to Judaism.

The Khazars were land pirates and were called ‘name stealers’ (1). They pirated along the Silk Road around the Caspian and Black Seas. The only reason they converted to Judaism is that, at the time (8th,9th centuries), only Judaism allowed usury (Christianity and Muslim faith did not) and since they had loot, capital it was an obvious choice.
Some conspiratorial theorists believe the Khazar rewrote some of the Jewish scriptures-I don’t know.
The Russians under Sviasloslav I of Kiev kicked the Khazars out around 960 AD. This explains why the Kharzars so emphatically hate the Rus.

European Jews are in fact Khazars non semite lucifers little parasite.

in days of old
A merchant would travel through a Khazar village to deliver his goods to the East (or the same in the opposite direction) the Khazars would be very hospitable giving free lodgings and getting the merchant drunk. They would find everything about the man-what his wares were, what was the name of the buyer etc.
Then they would strangle the merchant in his drunken stupor and take his caravan.

if god and his son jesus did not exist why does the media try so hard to invert mock ridicule.

look at all modern music movies the cohen brothers have a sex offender in a movie called jesus..

google quotes on jesus from the talmud

a giant farm run by sicko who self identify as you know who
call them out mock them

is not interesting it is always jesus never existed and never the devil

satans claws the holiday rituals are coke cola corporation inbedded

not from God most high.

Gerard
Gerard
Dec 25, 2023 10:03 PM
Reply to  gordan

“I have just finished reading Israel Shahak’s “Jewish History – Jewish Religion” and was struck by the absence of any reference to the Khazars and their conversion to Judaism.

That’s bcs ‘they’ call themselves “Askenazi jews” which is a LIE. For they are ‘converted’ Khazarian fraudsters who always lie bcs they are the children of satan, the father of all lies. They are the Marxist/zionists who toppled all kings and “infiltrated all governments” around the world. Still they keep nagging about being thrown out everywhere!

These Askenazi ‘jews’ make up about 80% of the Isreali people, but they are not the “chosen” ones! They are chosen alright, by their god, the evil one. The other 20% are the REAL jews, the Sephardim. The reason for such a low count is the annihilation of the Sephardim during WWII. They were murdered by the henchmen of the evil zionist RedShield-banksters, who bankrolled the German post-Weimar war machine. All for the creation of their heinously corrupted “promised land”, which has no religious right to exist for G*D has turned away from these infidels!

The same financial criminal syndicate enrolled the “7oct. terrorists” of Hamas. Hamas, which is an organization founded by the Israeli zionists. Like Al-Qaida, ISIS and now Hamas are all products of the Mossad/CIA counter-terrorism psyops. They use them for their bloody False-flag ‘handywork’ to exterminate innocent people, children, women and elderly. They are the sacrifices for their unholy bloodthirsty god, the god of hate and destruction.

Captain Birdheart
Captain Birdheart
Dec 25, 2023 10:42 PM
Reply to  gordan

Something of a cataclysm there around 1300

slow recovery, hard slog thru false invasion histories

Collect C18

Everything pre-cleaned.

Edwige
Edwige
Dec 25, 2023 12:09 PM

Received a woolly jumper this morning? You’re torturing little ba-lambs and destroying the planet!

https://www.vox.com/future-perfect/24008053/wool-marketing-environment-sustainable-claims-sheep-animal-cruelty-fast-fashion?utm_source=pocket-newtab-en-gb

lalaland
lalaland
Dec 25, 2023 1:51 PM
Reply to  Edwige

that’s global warming bunkum

Erik Nielsen
Erik Nielsen
Dec 27, 2023 8:03 PM
Reply to  Edwige

“the impact your wardrobe has on the climate.”

“The Police are considering raids out in remote areas where hippie farmers still think they can pollute the entire vaccinated global population by hiding sheep for their own free of charge clothing, while the rest of the population must pay the high price for their pollution of the environment.”

I am more than pessed now. We have to talk it over with these leftist idiots.
I will pray to God and ask him what to do. Its enough.

dom irritant
dom irritant
Dec 25, 2023 10:30 AM

humbug, another fairytale, there is no proof jesus ever existed

NixonScraypes
NixonScraypes
Dec 25, 2023 11:26 AM
Reply to  dom irritant

Quite correct, Mr Scrooge. As far as scientific materialism in a dead universe is concerned, anyway.

Edwige
Edwige
Dec 25, 2023 12:08 PM
Reply to  NixonScraypes

There’s more proof than for Alexander the Great, for example.

BTW, both the Bible and the Romans wrote that the Carthaginians sacrificed children to Moloch. The former was dismissed as a fairytale and the latter as propaganda to condemn an enemy – but modern archaeology has shown the Bible and the Romans were accurate.

Perhaps the Romans were also telling the truth about the Druids?…

NixonScraypes
NixonScraypes
Dec 26, 2023 10:07 AM
Reply to  Edwige

It has been suggested that the current fashion for abortion is no different from primitive child sacrifice. Reason divorced from morality/empathy can justify anything. By their works ye shall know them, and history is the hearsay of the victors. Archaeology has found no proof for the Old Testament in the “holy land” and the stories have all been told before in Egyptian and previous religions. If Jesus didn’t exist, we would have to invent him!…and did, many times. Mr Scrooge is fiction but he’s alive and well in the City of London and I’m just going to read the Christmas Carol again as I do every year.

Erik Nielsen
Erik Nielsen
Dec 27, 2023 1:01 AM
Reply to  NixonScraypes

You contradict yourself in all this bs.
“No proof found for old testament, proof for old testament found in Egypt and other religions.” In the same sentence.

NixonScraypes
NixonScraypes
Dec 27, 2023 9:23 PM
Reply to  Erik Nielsen

Had I been writing for a more formal publication, I would have paid more attention to clarifying my statement so that it’s meaning could not be twisted by point scoring pedants. What I meant, which I still feel was obvious, was that the old testament was a mish mash of previous myths collated to fit a new religious agenda. Would you be more specific and inform me what was b.s. in what I said, or were you merely being rude for the fun of it?

Erik Nielsen
Erik Nielsen
Dec 28, 2023 1:29 AM
Reply to  NixonScraypes

Not aimed to be rude. You were just throwing out some general phrases without factual substance, which is the way fake news works:
People run with your “no proof of old testament” which is upright untrue, and then you ask me to prove the opposite. Manipulation technique.
A right comment would have substantiated your postulate by links to some examinations of the said.

“If Jesus didn’t exist, we would have to invent him!”, same procedure, you set your opponents on work to prove Jesus exist, instead of proving yourself he doesnt.

We have churches and bibles all over the world, priests and bishops occupied for 1000-2000 years, and you claim in your arrogance and lack of knowledge to the spiritual world it doesnt exist?
Conclusion: “You contradict yourself in all this bs”. Fact!

NixonScraypes
NixonScraypes
Dec 28, 2023 2:20 PM
Reply to  Erik Nielsen

I did say ARCHAEOLOGICAL proof and I was referring to the lack of remains of large cities, palaces and things that would suggest that there was the sort of civilisation in the area that the old testament suggests, with what some may describe as unmerited arrogance. I have no problem with the Jesus story whatsoever and certainly wouldn’t ask you to prove it. I’m completely ignorant about such things as links and as I’m content to comment informally in forums, don’t see the need for them or exhaustive thosand word essays. I can’t help but feel that your penultimate sentence, which incidentally lacks the grammatical rigour you demand of me, is extremely presumptuous and factually inaccurate. Perhaps you can provide a link to where I suggest that the spiritual world doesn’t exist.

NixonScraypes
NixonScraypes
Dec 27, 2023 9:31 PM
Reply to  Erik Nielsen

If you were to re-read my screed without bias you might find that I do not contradict myself at all and you must have misread it.

Erik Nielsen
Erik Nielsen
Dec 28, 2023 1:33 AM
Reply to  NixonScraypes

You do, see above.  🤗 

mgeo
mgeo
Dec 27, 2023 5:06 AM
Reply to  NixonScraypes

Abortion for frivolous reasons (including morality) is s far bigger business than sacrifice. The fetuses from abortions and pregnant women killed support the global trade in body parts, centred in a certain democracy. This applies to almost every war including Ukraine. Guess what the do-gooder White Helmets were engaged in.

NixonScraypes
NixonScraypes
Dec 27, 2023 9:41 PM
Reply to  mgeo

I wouldn’t be too sure. I bet a sacrifice cost a pretty penny and the exchange rate for kosher coins was not too favourable.

Paul Watson
Paul Watson
Dec 25, 2023 3:15 PM
Reply to  dom irritant

More documented evidence Jesus existed than Julius Caesar..

Lu1
Lu1
Dec 25, 2023 7:28 PM
Reply to  Paul Watson

So what if it existed, still the, er, son of that which punishes children for their parents’ sins to the third and fourth generation.

Nuttyahoo’s great role model.

ariel
ariel
Dec 26, 2023 3:02 PM
Reply to  Lu1

What was it the Native American (savages) used to say? ‘Before committing to any action, consider the effects on the following SEVEN generations.’

Erik Nielsen
Erik Nielsen
Dec 27, 2023 6:04 PM
Reply to  ariel

Quite fantastic. Humans thinking 150 years forward. I think God would be pleased with such representatives down here, and further: That means we have our rights to punish the Doos in all generations to come for what we did.

ariel
ariel
Dec 27, 2023 6:31 PM
Reply to  Erik Nielsen

I’m pretty sure they meant what effects would their actions have on their own ensuing seven generations.

Erik Nielsen
Erik Nielsen
Dec 28, 2023 11:48 AM
Reply to  ariel

Off course.

el Gallinazo
el Gallinazo
Dec 25, 2023 4:58 PM
Reply to  dom irritant

I would have been less antagonist to that comment if it were not for my personal discovery of the Nag Hammadi scrolls discovered in Egypt in a sealed urn in 1945, dated to the 4th century of the “modern” era, and written in the Greek alphabet in Coptic,.

Erik Nielsen
Erik Nielsen
Dec 25, 2023 6:11 PM
Reply to  el Gallinazo

Anyone can write Greek Coptic on leather treated with whiskey, date it in any year, make a roll and put it in a sealed urn, and then break a toe and claim in OffG comment section to have found the holy grail.

Anyone can do this with a little smartness. My apologize for being suspicious but we must demand a little more proof than that. Just saying.

el Gallinazo
el Gallinazo
Dec 25, 2023 7:19 PM
Reply to  Erik Nielsen

Correct, and anyone can write in perfect, 4th century Coptic as well. I personally know hundreds of people. Not that their are not some expert scholars who may be able to do so without detection. Like any ancient artifact, it is potentially fraudulent. But I have researched it and come to the conclusion that it has a high probability of being authentic. I would suggest you research it for yourself and come up with evidence that it is fraudulent beyond the admitted possibility of such and let me know either on this comment or a future one I make on off-G. However, I am not holding my breath.

Erik Nielsen
Erik Nielsen
Dec 25, 2023 9:42 PM
Reply to  el Gallinazo

So far I havent examined the proofs because I saw some articles years ago where they claimed it was waterproofed Jesus had walked among us, so I gave it no more thought.
But as it is an important issue in any Christian discussion, I will examine it more in deep and will let you know the results.
I prefer to work in positive and will search for evidence of Jesus existence.

el Gallinazo
el Gallinazo
Dec 26, 2023 1:05 AM
Reply to  Erik Nielsen

Author Joseph Atwell makes a strong case that Jesus was a total psyops of the Flavius caesars, probably suggested by the renegade Jew, Josephus, who was originally the commander of a rebel fort in the Galilee in the 66 war of Rome against the Jewish rebellion, and somehow managed to be the only survivor of the entire garrison. He then went to Rome and actually managed to get himself legally adopted by the Flavius caesar. Nice work if you can get it.

Atwell claims that Rome was getting into trouble holding its empire together through brute coercion, fear, and torture and setting up a new religion based partly on pacifism was just the ticket to taking some of the heat off of their legions. The legions took a huge battering from the Jewish war and lost a lot of soldiers. It is said that Josephus was the only “historian” of that time who even mentioned Jesus. If you do the arithmetic, he was probably a young child at the time of the crucifixion around 34. Atwell also goes into considerable detail as well as how the Jesus mythos was a plagiarism and a composite of previous and existing religions with an incarnate god, particularly Mithras which was active in Rome in the first century, which included a virgin birth, etc. It is my personal opinion that much of the mythos about Jesus such as the virgin birth was candy for the gullible by the Roman Church, as well as converting the wild Roman Dionysian holiday of Saturnalia into Christmas.

Of course the authenticity of the Gnostic scrolls would prove at least that Jesus was an actual person and teaching a very complex and profound ontological philosophy to a select number of students. While this would not negate Atwell’s theory of a Flavian psyops using a mythicized and deified Jesus as its central theme, it would poke a big hole in it.

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PS I see that this comment got put into pending, probably because your AI is sensitive to the words Jew and Jewish. Seems like a trend. Hope it passes the sniff test.

NixonScraypes
NixonScraypes
Dec 26, 2023 7:33 PM
Reply to  el Gallinazo

It just doesn’t matter…unless you want to sell them…in which case, no you can always lie….unless you want to buy them. The truth is within you and that’s the only place you’ll find it, when and if you can learn how not to deceive yourself! All else is just ego.

NickM
NickM
Dec 28, 2023 2:47 PM
Reply to  el Gallinazo

Fortunately your reply “passed the sniff test”.

I don’t think it is a simple matter of AI sniffing out key words; all my posts go into pending, no matter what words I used. Doesn’t bother me because most of them (perhaps all?) come out again. And I don’t blame OffG because their extremely Un-Guardian interpretation of “Speech is Free” could open them to libel suits (or worse) if they are not careful.

el Gallinazo
el Gallinazo
Dec 29, 2023 2:49 AM
Reply to  NickM

Thanks for the word “fortunately.”

All of my posts were put on pending up until this year. After some research I learned that this was probably due to the nature of my internet connection. I live out in the boonies of Mexico, and the only way I can get internet is to use a tiny service which relays the major ISP, Telmex, via microwaves to end users. This shows up as a LAN which many sites automatically shunt into a pending category. I did write to off-G asking them to bypass this LAN thing for my account until such a time as I write something truly egregious. I never heard back from them and I started posting a less less frequently. After a few months, however, my automatic pending suddenly disappeared. I didn’t like being put on pending because one could not interact with other posters in real (as opposed to unreal) time, and it took much of the enjoyment out of the interaction.

The pending status for my post above was instantaneous. This would only be possible if the post was scanned for certain words which the site administrators considered to be possibly inflammatory. I would imagine if one sent a long sequence of posts whose content inflamed the administrators, but they didn’t want to cancel your access, they might put you on automatic pending for everything. I think that the administrators here, who presumably believe, at least to some extent, in freedom of expression, owe it to their subscribers to say why they are being put on automatic pending. I suspect they wasted a lot of their time in previous years reading my pending post for naught in terms of censoring, but it was nice to have an audience.

However, you make a very good point that the “laws” in England regarding free speech are approaching the USSR under Stalin’s reign and off-G must take that into consideration. As Stalin reportedly said, “Show me the man and I will show you the crime.”

el Gallinazo
el Gallinazo
Dec 26, 2023 1:11 AM
Reply to  Erik Nielsen

Perhaps even more important than the reality of Jesus as a person was that it established him as the author of spiritual freedom and salvation through Gnosticism, the real teachings of Jesus before the Roman Empire got hold of it.

Erik Nielsen
Erik Nielsen
Dec 26, 2023 3:20 PM
Reply to  el Gallinazo

Someone whoever it is dont like our discussion.

Yes I know about Josephus, and also I think it was Cicero mentioned as Author to the Gospels, m.m.
When going through all God’s names, the possibilities of fraud, political manipulation, etc, I ended up in a conclusion it doesnt matter:
What matters is what gives a logical meaning.
Is a Giraf, a Colibri, a Rhino, coming from a big bang billions of years of mutations, or coming from an ape, or could it be possible they are designed? All our beautiful flowers?
Our Earth protected by exosphere, termosphere, mesospher, karman belt, ozon layer, Troposphere, atmosphere?

It can only have been designed by a higher Intelligent spirit!
There can have been only one Owner or one Chief Architect, saying there is only One God.

This rational thinking fits into what is stated in the Scriptures yes?
Step by step we can analyse in the same way whether what is stated in any Scripture could be or is true.

Christ’s symbolic is the only thing which give meaning, answer and solution to this life. Saying the Scriptures makes sense. And so on and on.

So for me it really doesnt matter to prove whether Cicero, Josephus, or a bunch of Bishops in Alexandra made this and that Declaration and movement. We can take it as God’s hand.

The Bible is real and the most read book in the world. Coincidence? Proforma? Manipulation?
Well, as you write, without Christ we would have no Constitution, we would have no “All are born equal”, we would have no “European Human Rights”, no respect for the individual human being. We would be pagan wild animals.

Again I think we can conclude that a very strong spiritual force is behind, and that the Scriptures fits in again. Merry Christmas.  😀 

NickM
NickM
Dec 28, 2023 3:03 PM
Reply to  Erik Nielsen

“The Bible is real and the most read book in the world.”

Euclid’s Geometry (and its simplified textbook offshoots) used to be considered the most widely read “book”. Maybe it still is, because of the resurgence of scientific education in China, India, Arabia and Iran. These countries were strong in mathematics in ancient times, and have become strong again. I doubt if Christianity is making equally great inroads in these populous regions, so I guess the Bible might still be relegated to second place in global readership.

Erik Nielsen
Erik Nielsen
Jan 6, 2024 5:34 PM
Reply to  NickM

Euclid’s book is not the worst book to replace the bible of the most read if so.
It is still within our obligation as men to acquaint ourselves with God’s Creation.  🤓 

bleak
bleak
Dec 27, 2023 3:03 AM
Reply to  Erik Nielsen

If the Nag Hammadi codices are fraudulent then so are the ancient apologist writings like Irenaeus’ Against Heresies. They copied much of the texts into their MS’s to refute them and so many books are verified if by that alone but then Carbon Dating has also validated them as from the 3rd – 4th centuries.

That all there is a HUGE can-o-worms and I can’t begin to tell you how much I’ve struggled with taking them as truth, imaginations, stories (by some damn fine writers. Philip K Dick had nothing on them)… it’s very complicated.

I highly recommend a book called A Separate God by Simone Petrement which if anything else is a scholarly masterpiece. IDK if Petrement considered herself a Gnostic or even a Christian but she did look at (and document) every conceivable angle of the ancient Christians who were condemned by the Roman church.

hxxps [://] archive [.] org [/] details [/] separategod00simo

Erik Nielsen
Erik Nielsen
Dec 27, 2023 6:01 PM
Reply to  bleak

Thanks, I will try Simone. I tried to search up the word “Gnostic” but I still cant find out what it is. Carbon dating has a holes reputation.
Half age I still only have read and understood 1/10 of the Bible. Still a lot of pleasant hours to spend.  😔 

bleak
bleak
Dec 27, 2023 8:48 PM
Reply to  Erik Nielsen

Oh, just go to gnosis [.] org and read the intro. Then maybe try the Gospel of Thomas. There’s much on that site (learning the differences between gnostic sects like the Valentinians vs the Sethians for example).

I highly recommend getting the Nag Hammadi Scriptures book edited by Marvin Meyer et al. There’s much in the intros to each codex and well the codices themselves.

Note: In today’s world, the whole subject of Gnosticism has been appropriated and bent to fit with current pagan-based indoctrination and anti-Christ propaganda. They will tell you “gnostic” is a non-Christian or pre-Christian term rooted in Platonic, Hermetic, occultism… anything but what it really was… Christian-based.

Erik Nielsen
Erik Nielsen
Dec 28, 2023 1:45 AM
Reply to  bleak

Instinct, intuition. I saw a programme with an Amish farmer telling divine spirit all the times help him on the road by asking questions in his head when he fail.
This is the closest I can get, but also accept as a true connection to the Holy Spirit.
I would be honoured to get the opportunity to read Nag, but time, there is a lot to do these days with digital jail being build around us.
Anyway, thanks for answer, very useful.

NickM
NickM
Dec 26, 2023 8:30 AM
Reply to  el Gallinazo

Thanks, I had not heard of the Nag Hammadi scrolls. Remarkable — and highly significant — that these early Christian texts should contain exerpts not only the sayings of Jesus but from Plato’s Republic as well. Confirms my instinctive sense of a powerful Ancient Greek strand in the ethos of Christianity; not only in its Hellenistic Greek Language but in its veny Ethos.

From Wikipedia:

“The Nag Hammadi library … a collection of early Christian and Gnostic texts discovered near the Upper Egyptian town of Nag Hammadi in 1945.

‘Thirteen leather-bound papyrus codices buried in a sealed jar were found by a local farmer named Muhammed al-Samman.[1] The writings in these codices comprise 52 mostly Gnostic treatises, but they also include three works belonging to the Corpus Hermeticum and a partial translation/alteration of Plato‘s Republic.

“In his introduction to The Nag Hammadi Library in English, James Robinson suggests that these codices were buried after Saint Athanasius condemned the use of non-canonical books in his Festal Letter of 367 A.D.

“The discovery of these texts significantly influenced modern scholarship’s pursuit and knowledge of early Christianity and Gnosticism.

“The contents of the codices were written in the Coptic language. The best-known of these works is probably the Gospel of Thomas, of which the Nag Hammadi codices contain the only complete text. After the discovery, scholars recognized that fragments of these sayings attributed to Jesus appeared in manuscripts discovered at Oxyrhynchus in 1898 (P. Oxy. 1), and matching quotations were recognized in other early Christian sources. The written text of the Gospel of Thomas is dated to the second century by most interpreters, but based on much earlier sources.[2] The buried manuscripts date from the 3rd and 4th centuries.”

The Nag Hammadi codices are now housed in the Coptic Museum in Cairo, Egypt.

el Gallinazo
el Gallinazo
Dec 26, 2023 4:16 PM
Reply to  NickM

The demons were called archons which translates from Greek as “rulers,” and the top demon, who created the others in his personal universe (which humanity currently inhabits) had two names, the demiurge, which is Greek derived, and Yaldabioth, which is probably of Semitic origin.

Unfortunately, much of the books were used as kindling by the goat farmer discoverers until it was realized that they had monetary value. One can only wonder what was in the destroyed ones.

Erik Nielsen
Erik Nielsen
Dec 26, 2023 11:37 PM
Reply to  NickM

When I in the past digged through the history of the bible I found it a bit weird that most scriptures were found within the last two centuries, two here in 1898 and 1945, and other old scriptures even later.

You know, many secret societies and ideas were created through these years, Free Masonry and Illuminati, JW, and other obscure brotherhoods appeared.
It is said that the Dragon was conquered here too.

I mean its 2000 years since Jesus is said to have lived, 2500 years since the first pages of the bible is said to have taken form.
And then we “find” surprice surprice, Watson, all ancient scriptures in the 1850-1975??? Fool me once, fool me…….

semaj
semaj
Dec 27, 2023 6:26 PM
Reply to  Erik Nielsen

Just like dinosaurs, what were the chances!

Erik Nielsen
Erik Nielsen
Dec 28, 2023 3:12 AM
Reply to  semaj

Yep, All fossils found from year 1700 and forward, the most important bones all found in England, of all countries, in 1824 and 1841.
The fossils all being 50-100 million years old but only found in the late 1700 in Britain.
The country who invented the evolution theory that all human beings come from a Chimpanzee, and the Chimpanzee came from a fish and the fish came from a big bang in the universe.
Found in England by English fossil hunters, Sir William Buckland and Sir Richard Owens from London’s Natural History Museum.

You cant make this up.

NickM
NickM
Dec 26, 2023 8:14 AM
Reply to  dom irritant

He existed then as a person, Rabbi Yeshuah of Nazareth who — like Socrates “wisest and best of men” — lived a blameless life, and was executed by popular demand. He exists now as a force for good; next to Science the greatest influence on human life and, again next to Science, the force that crept most quietly into the world.

From Wikipedia, The Voice of the Angels:
“The Greek text accepted by most modern theological scholars today[5][6] uses the words epi gēs eirēnē en anthrōpois eudokias (ἐπὶ γῆς εἰρήνη ἐν ἀνθρώποις εὐδοκίας),[7] literally

“On Earth Peace to men of good will,”

Erik Nielsen
Erik Nielsen
Dec 26, 2023 11:42 PM
Reply to  NickM

Jesus next to science?

NickM
NickM
Dec 28, 2023 3:11 PM
Reply to  Erik Nielsen

“It’s bad theology to disparage science” — GK Chesterton, The Innocence of Father Brown.

Human values
Human values
Dec 28, 2023 5:58 PM
Reply to  NickM

Why make Jesus a person, which means mask?

There is no evidence of Jesus ever having been a man, and how could there be, as Jesus is and has always been Spirit. Spirits have no gender. They have no physical body. So what’s the point of trying to find evidence of the Body of Christ in somewhere physical, when the Body of Christ is high consciousness united with God!

NickM
NickM
Dec 29, 2023 5:22 AM
Reply to  Human values

“Spirits have no gender.”

Latin noun “Spiritus”, gender masculine.

I think the word you are looking for is “sex”.

Human values
Human values
Dec 30, 2023 1:29 AM
Reply to  NickM

Why would things be defined by some dead language? Are you aware that there are languages without genders, including pronouns? Latin wasn’t used in the Bible which speaks of Jesus. All names and locations in the Bible have a meaning, as the Bible speaks of spirits, not geography or historical people or events. The name Jesus means ”God saves”. The name Eve means ”Life”, the name Israel means ”the one who prevails with God”, Judea means ”praise” and Jew is ”the one who praises God”, and so on.

As these things are spiritual, there is no way they can be something that happened in a time or place in history.

Why make Jesus (Savior Spirit of God) a man?

Because some dead language or English says so?

What’s the idea of believing in history, some events in history or someone in history? I just don’t get it.

There is no evidence of said Jesus-man ever having been a man. Also, no evidence of Socrates, either. These literary characters in old books are mythical, as old literature was all in all. The name Socrates means something like ”Whole power”, and the name Plato means ”Broad”. Wisdom literature was not interested in raising someone’s ego and naming someone special. Wisdom is, broadly speaking, something that belongs to all humans and comes from Wisdom (God).

Stories were first orally transmitted from generation to generation, and that’s why most texts are songs. They were easier to remember. When, at some point, someone wrote them down, that still didn’t make him the author.

So why do you think Jesus existed as a man two thousand years ago in a certain place, and why is it important to you?

Erik Nielsen
Erik Nielsen
Dec 27, 2023 8:18 PM
Reply to  dom irritant

So you mean we build all these churches all over for nothing. We made all these meeting and worships in vain and humbug.
We read the most read book on the planet because we were stupid and wasted time like reading donald duck?

Jesus’s word is proof. Only a divine could have said and written his words. Thus he existed!

Human values
Human values
Dec 28, 2023 5:54 PM
Reply to  dom irritant

Myths and mythologies are not history. They are stories or narratives.

Even if there had been a man named Jesus who walked on water, raised a dead man, taught about God and was tortured to death
So what?
Even if such a man was a historical fact having existed in time and in a place, so what?

There’s not a single man, dead or alive, who would be God.

God is not a man and never can be. Worship of man instead of God is idolatry.  

sabelmouse
sabelmouse
Dec 25, 2023 10:21 AM

st nichloaus in germany is not remotely like the anglo/american santa.

NickM
NickM
Dec 26, 2023 8:46 AM
Reply to  sabelmouse

The Anglo-American Santa Claus is both the North German Sinter Klaus, the winter rider with his reindeer sleigh carrying presents and the Mediterranean Hellenistic Saint Nicholas (Hagios Niko-Laus) Bishop of Myra bringing wedding presents to needy young couples (including the bride’s dowry if necessary) because he liked people to be “Married, with Children”.

sabelmouse
sabelmouse
Dec 26, 2023 1:14 PM
Reply to  NickM

very much disneyfied 🙁

NickM
NickM
Dec 28, 2023 3:29 PM
Reply to  sabelmouse

Yes, very much Disnified. But still there behind the crudely coloured cartoon character; just like Mowgli, Pooh,Alice, Snow White and Cinderella. As a child my most memorable exposure to great classical music was Fantasia, by Walt Disney.

Unfortunately, today’s Santa Claus seems to have suffered the same insipid transformation as Fantasia 2, by Disney Corporation. I have been reprimanded by Jehovah’s Witnesses for wasting money buying Xmas presents on his recommendation..

sabelmouse
sabelmouse
Dec 29, 2023 11:30 AM
Reply to  NickM

snow white, horrendous destruction of important metaphors, replaced by stupid and nasty.
same with any grim tale.

Tiggs
Tiggs
Dec 25, 2023 9:55 AM

As an anticapitalist non Christian who doesn’t believe in Santa, I’ve had enough of spending money I don’t have, on gifts for people who expect it, not appreciate it. Who have forgetten the joy of existence, instead, just repeat the ritual (b/c it’s what they’ve always done & b/c that’s everyone else is doing) & why I have stopped contributing too this annual insanity.
✌️

mgeo
mgeo
Dec 26, 2023 4:26 AM
Reply to  Tiggs

There must be billions of pieces of gift wrappings piling up, besides all the energy, materials and money that went into those mindless gifts.

Matt
Matt
Dec 25, 2023 9:29 AM

Christmas is what you make it.
Sorry to hear yours is filled with such overwhelming guilt that “I felt sick at heart to be living safely in a country that finances and supports such slaughter…,” about something you have have absolutely no control over or responsibility for, and especially that you want all the rest of us to feel just as guilty as you.
I’d say you are extremely fortunate.
Gratitude might even be in order, come to think of it.
Hope you have a blessed New Year!

sabelmouse
sabelmouse
Dec 25, 2023 10:22 AM
Reply to  Matt

gratitude is very much in order, for most of us. not to do with may not be 100 % true, as we all co-create reality.

ariel
ariel
Dec 25, 2023 2:58 PM
Reply to  Matt

‘Gratitude’ is always in order.

Lu1
Lu1
Dec 25, 2023 7:32 PM
Reply to  Matt

if you pay tax in that country why do you think you have absolutely no control over or responsibility for it?

NickM
NickM
Dec 26, 2023 8:49 AM
Reply to  Matt

“Christmas is what you make it.”

So true.

j d
j d
Dec 25, 2023 9:23 AM

The following extracts in regard to Christmas are from the teachings of Bulgarian philosopher, spiritual master and mystic Omraam Mikhael Aivanhov (https://www.prosveta.co.uk/):

“Christmas – festival of light

Why do we celebrate the Nativity, the birth of Christ, at the beginning of winter? The answer is to be found in the book of Nature. All of life begins with a seed, buried in darkness in the earth or in a woman’s womb. And for the seeds that have been placed in the earth, winter is the season when the lengthy work of germination takes place, ending in spring with the birth of a multitude of new existences. And an identical work takes place in the psyche of each human being: in the dark earth, the lower nature, the seed of the divine Self, the Christ, begins to germinate. This is the event being celebrated by Christians on Christmas Eve… Indeed, it is at night, at midnight, at the time of the most profound darkness, that a birth takes place. And so in spite of the cold and the dark, Christmas is also the festival of light.

Birth of Christ – the birth of a new consciousness in human beings

What do we celebrate at Christmas? The union of the soul and spirit. They unite to give birth to a seed which is the beginning of a new consciousness within us. This consciousness manifests as an inner light that dispels all darkness, just like heat of such intensity that, even if the whole world abandons us, we never feel alone, like an abundant life that bursts forth wherever our feet take us. This consciousness is also accompanied by an influx of forces that we wish to consecrate to the edification and construction of the kingdom of God. At the same time, we also discover the extraordinary joy of feeling ourselves connected to the whole universe and to all evolved souls, of being part of this immensity, and we are certain that no one can take this joy from us. In India, this state is called buddhic consciousness, and the Christians call it the birth of Christ.

Christmas – symbolism of the ox and the ass

Each year on December 25, Christians celebrate the birth of Jesus, and in every church a crib is set up. The child is there, lying on the straw; Mary and Joseph watch over him, and an ass and an ox, too. The ass and the ox are never left out! But those two animals are symbols that have to be interpreted; they correspond to processes that take place in human beings. The stable is the physical body and the ox sexual energy. As for the ass, it represents what tradition calls ‘the old Adam’, self-centred, stubborn and obstinate, but nevertheless a good servant – that is, the lower nature, the personality. Those who decide to work towards the birth of the Christ within, first come into conflict with the forces of their lower nature and sexuality. Those are the forces they must master and put to work for the divine Child. And so it is said that in the stable the ox and the ass breathed on the child and warmed him with their breath. When human beings succeed in transforming the ass and the ox within themselves, then they can warm and nourish the newborn child. All those who have succeeded in bringing into being the Christ within will be sustained by the forces of their lower nature and their sexuality, which are amazingly helpful if we only know how to put them to work.”

Merry Christmas!

sabelmouse
sabelmouse
Dec 25, 2023 10:25 AM
Reply to  j d

lovely. and i agree.

Erik Nielsen
Erik Nielsen
Dec 26, 2023 11:48 PM
Reply to  sabelmouse

I dont agree. Jesus has NO relation to ass notwithstanding what the lgbt community says!

sabelmouse
sabelmouse
Dec 27, 2023 1:15 PM
Reply to  Erik Nielsen

idk what you’re saying.

judith
judith
Dec 25, 2023 11:48 AM
Reply to  j d

Thank you for that. So interesting.

Virginia Coyle
Virginia Coyle
Dec 26, 2023 3:17 AM
Reply to  j d

Sounds like the Gospel of Narcissism.

Edwige
Edwige
Dec 25, 2023 9:17 AM

Some ponderings on the meaning of December 25th (the opening song is worth a listen if nothing else):
https://odysee.com/@markdevlintv:e/GOOD-VIBRATIONS-PODCAST,-VOL.-244–ANDY-THOMAS—THE-REAL-ORIGINS-OF-CHRISTMAS:5

I’d also add that the early Christians thought Jesus was born on January 5th/6th and the date wasn’t moved until much later. By an amazing coincidence, the “tradition” of twelfth night means that’s just when everyone is supposed to stop celebrating.

On the subject of Christmas songs, Kelly and Atwill on ‘Our Interesting Times’ made a very good point about ‘White Christmas’. Previous staple Christmas songs were about the religious meaning of the day but Irving Berlin turned it into a weather report. Why? Berlin’s real name and membership of certain brotherhoods maybe had something to do with it…. ‘White Christmas’ was followed by more examples like ‘Let it snow’.

BTW on weather reports, it’s probably the biggest day of the year for people noticing the weather and it just happens to be unusually warm here in the UK. Another one for the coincidence theorists!

Cloverleaf
Cloverleaf
Dec 25, 2023 8:42 AM

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Erik Nielsen
Erik Nielsen
Dec 25, 2023 9:51 PM
Reply to  Cloverleaf

Look at all these silver shekel.

DavidF
DavidF
Dec 25, 2023 8:06 AM

I’d like to take this opportunity to wish OffG staff & contributors and their families a wonderful Christmas and for all your hopes & wishes for 2024 to bear fruit.
For many years now, OffG has been that bright star guiding the way through dark times. May you never dim.
And whilst there are many disagreements and differing points of view, I believe we are many and they are few and good will triumph over evil.
Bless you all.
Peace & love

Hele
Hele
Dec 25, 2023 8:00 AM

Thank you Edward Curtin.

Sunface Jack
Sunface Jack
Dec 25, 2023 7:33 AM

Did “they” tell you before the existence of anything Palestinian that the Jews were already persecuted by the Assyrians and the Romans who destroyed Jerusalem. It hasn’t stopped. It is without doubt that they are the most persecuted people.

lynette chaplin
lynette chaplin
Dec 25, 2023 9:03 PM
Reply to  Sunface Jack

I wonder why

Gerard
Gerard
Dec 25, 2023 10:17 PM

Probably bcs they are also Semites..??

MattC
MattC
Dec 25, 2023 7:13 AM

We should also remember that the Tyrant Johnson cancelled Christmas three years ago in the U.K. He has never produced any evidence to support any of the establishment claims about CV19 and continues to go unchallenged about the entire charade.
The tell tale hole in his narrative is the various Partygates – lockdown had been imposed because we were assured that the most deadly virus was stalking the land – yet numerous parties in Whitehall were held. And what was the death toll amongst the partygoers – zilch.

Confirmation that lockdowns were no more than another tool in the establishment arsenal to sell untested and experimental drugs on behalf of their paymasters.

Paul Watson
Paul Watson
Dec 25, 2023 8:31 AM
Reply to  MattC

It was also a test run for future lockdowns and allowed them to pass emergency legislation that has never been repealed..

Grafter
Grafter
Dec 27, 2023 11:51 AM
Reply to  Paul Watson

Ditto 9/11

NixonScraypes
NixonScraypes
Dec 25, 2023 11:39 AM
Reply to  MattC

Mention of Whitehall reminds me of ” The Fringes of Power” Downing St diaries 1939-55 by John Colville. In it one can see how the civil service is stacked with aristocracy without titles due to primogeniture. There’s a lot of other revealing details tucked away in the book as well for those interested in occluded history.

Johnny
Johnny
Dec 25, 2023 6:08 AM

A-fucking-men.

May the Truth haunt them in hell.

Peace be with you and your family Ed.

NickM
NickM
Dec 25, 2023 5:43 AM

Xmas Message from BRICS to WEF

https://youtu.be/v22nWF-IJ-U?si=vWgkjjNSHwq3quLW

There is a time to be born, and a time to die, a time to love, and a time to scourge the money men out of the Temple.

Sonny-Raye Hayes
Sonny-Raye Hayes
Dec 25, 2023 4:59 AM

Ed, Ya want some extra heartache? Move to Port Townsend, WA where daily you can see that weoponry being loaded onto the ships bound for the middle east. Or watch the aircraft carriers and trident submarines go by….. see and hear the warplanes testing their engines and techniques. I share your dismay with RFK Jr. and his apparent stance on Gaza/Israel…and I’ve told him so. But I can’t help but wonder, since that stance is so contrary to his and past Kennedy ethics, whether he is making that pronouncement just to stay alive with a chance of getting in office. Maybe he’s holding off on kicking that hornets’ nest, albeit while criminally sanctioning the slaughter. Anyway, keep kicking that hornets’ nest yourself…. us bad pennies gotta stick together! Thanks….

santadoesnot
santadoesnot
Dec 25, 2023 10:07 AM

But I can’t help but wonder, since that stance is so contrary to his and past Kennedy ethics, whether he is making that pronouncement just to stay alive with a chance of getting in office. Maybe he’s holding off on kicking that hornets’ nest,

5 d chess and trust the plan. 2 💤 

Ort
Ort
Dec 25, 2023 8:01 PM

No offense, but… I don’t think it’s exactly a “meme”, but in over twenty years of netsurfing and commenting one of the most persistent responses to a well-regarded (by some, anyway) public figure doing something that is shockingly “out of character” is to postulate a “real” (hidden, secret) reason or motivation for the seemingly inexplicable contradiction or inconsistency.

I never tracked or tabulated the most popular “real” reasons, but when a popular (to some, anyway) politician is involved they boil down to either: 1) the politician was directly threatened into compliance, mob-style, with harm or outright assassination to the individual and/or loved ones; 2) the politician was bought off, or in a variant of the coercion described in #1 was threatened with a catastrophic withdrawal of financial and/or political support, and 3) the politician is deceptively pretending to take a reprehensible position to serve some ulterior motive, strategy, or scheme.

As “santadoesnot” mentioned, the third category is often categorized as the politician playing shrewd “multidimensional chess”, in the manner of a “political ninja”. (I well remember how many submissive, enthralled progressive-liberal devotees confidently assured the rest of us that Obama was such a “political ninja”, baffling and confusing his foes with multidimensional chess moves; it turned out that the actual target for his ninja tricks, such as they were, was the very same prog-lib bloc who was convinced that Obama was using his special ninja gifts and powers to triumph over the bad guys.)

Anything’s possible, and I don’t claim to have superior insight and final wisdom into RFK Jr.’s unexpected transmogrification into a raging Ziocaine junkie. But I think that the impulse to seek and claim a “real reason(s)”/hidden agenda is typically a form of denial, to the extent that it rejects or skirts the possibility that the flip-flopper’s seemingly-uncharacteristic and appalling position, although previously obscured or tacit, is more or less sincere and authentic.

I understand the appeal of such consoling considerations. Loyal, enthusiastic supporters who are dismayed, and even feel betrayed, by the politician’s unexpected unacceptable stance can compartmentalize it and remain convinced that the politician is still essentially virtuous, or righteous, and remains trustworthy. This is psychological damage control to ensure that the politician remains a viable lesser evil worthy of support.

But, hey– Merry Christmas anyway! 🎅