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2023: The Year of the ChatGPT Scare

VN Alexander

2023 was the year that an artificial intelligence (AI) known as ChatGPT-4 spectacularly passed the Turing Test. For a hundred million users, interacting with the Chat bot was indistinguishable from interacting with a human being. The bot appeared to be able to understand questions and reason out competent answers.  Although its replies were sometimes vapid and sophomoric, that may have made them seem even more convincingly human.

ChatGPT is capable of processing text inputs (prompts and commands) and outputting text whose patterns have a high statistical probability of occurring after such prompts. Its apparent intelligence is a kind of magic trick insofar as the product seems similar to human reason, but it is really high-speed, brute force statistical pattern matching of words in specific contexts. (How human reason works differently will be the subject of a future essay.)

Nevertheless, the impressive performance stoked fears that AI is on the verge of becoming conscious, writing itself new and better code, and then replacing human beings as rulers of the Earth.

The Reaction

Tristan Harris and Aza Raskin, co-founders of the Center for Humane Technology, are worried, really worried. Although they aren’t worried that AI is conscious or alive, they do worry that AI will be used to make people fight online, to spread disinformation and propaganda, to help bad people make bioweapons or chemical weapons, or to disseminate unreliable information thereby destroying trust in our institutions.

Harris and Raskin don’t seem to have noticed that virtually all world governments, their side-kick NGOs, and Big Industry are already doing all of the above, all of the time. Instead, they worry that you will be fooled and manipulated by AI wielded by domestic baddies in red hats to spend your worthless time online and end up voting for the wrong person, which will hasten climate change.

But they have a solution to the problem. First, they will “align technology with humanity’s best interests” and then AI will help us learn to love each other.

Fortified by their distinct brand of millennial toxic positivity, on Sept. 13, 2023, Harris, who is a former Google design ethicist, and Raskin, who is a member of the World Economic Forum’s Global AI Council, met with White House officials to help draft an Executive Order (EO) “on the Safe, Secure, and Trustworthy Development and Use of Artificial Intelligence.”

The resultant EO is the longest in history, a bit like Google’s Terms and Conditions. I haven’t finished reading it yet, but I suspect somewhere buried in the repetitive language—assuring the public that AI products will be thoroughly tested and labeled before being released into the wild (every bit as thoroughly as any product approved by the FDA or promoted by the USDA)—are the details of the solution that Harris and Raskin are promoting.

[How to effect a government coup d’état in three easy steps: The first step is to create a problem. The second step is to generate opposition to the problem (fear, panic and hysteria). The third step is to offer the solution to the problem, a legislative change so sweeping, so anti-democratic that it would have been impossible to impose without the social conditioning accomplished in steps one and two.]

As Harris confessed at the CogX Festival, “Now the point of this all is to scare you as much as possible, so that you all want to do something different from where we’re currently headed.”

The Plan

What is the solution offered by Harris and Raskin? In a December 19th interview with Joe Rogan, Raskin muses that, although totalitarian surveillance is not desirable, it would be “one way of controlling AI.”

The alternative, he goes on to say, is even worse: “continually cascading catastrophes” leading inevitably to our “living in a world with constant suicide bombers,” under nonstop “cyber attacks, whatever.”

Luckily, between these two hellscapes, there is the “middle path.” To introduce the plan, Raskin first references the program Alpha-Go which, after a hundred million iterations of self play, found a new rule, 37, that could be used to win the game of Go. Raskin invites us to…

imagine that if you run AI on things like Alpha-Treaty, Alpha-Collaborate, Alpha-Coordinate, Alpha-Conflict Resolution, there are going to be thousands of new strategies and moves that human beings have never discovered that open up new ways of [winning].

So there you have it.  Life’s intractable problems can be treated like a game of Go. And since AI is great at winning board games with well-defined rules, limited options and a singular goal, it should have no trouble “winning” at the game of  human civilization.  Trust the AI plan.

Raskin helpfully adds that the Digital Minister of Taiwan is already using Alpha-game approaches in her governance.  She is using ChatGPT to find areas of consensus, that is, she is using Chat to ignore minority opinions and amplify the “center,” which happens to be defined by the messaging of the mainstream news.  This, Harris explains, can “bring people closer together.”

Raskin further elaborates that “instead of democracy being every four years when we vote on X and there’s a super high stakes thing and everybody tries to manipulate it—[the Taiwanese Digital Minster] does, sort of, this continuous small-scale citizen participation thing with lots of issues, and the system sorts unlikely groups who don’t agree on things; whenever they agree, it makes that the center of attention.”  He mentions several groups that work on similar projects, such as the “Collective Intelligence Project” that, I imagine, are hard at work at eliminating tiresome elections and getting us all to just be a lot more like the Borg.

Harris chimes in, saying, AI can help us “see shared realities” and get people in the two different political tribes to agree on the lowest common denominator. Indeed, we “can use AI to build consensus,” otherwise known as manufacturing consent.  He adds that his pet game project might be called “Alpha-Shared Reality.” A game perhaps like The Truman Show?

Who needs a diversity of opinions?

It’s worth noting that when Harris and Raskin visited the White House, they met with erstwhile Big Tech friend Bruce Reed (probably the actual main author of the EO).  According to Politico, Reed “was an architect of controversial centrist Clinton administration policies, including welfare reform,” which penalized people trying to lift themselves out of poverty, “and the 1994 crime bill,” which devastated black communities. “Now, at 63, Reed finds himself on the same side as many of his longtime skeptics as he has become a tough-on-tech crusader, in favor of a massive assertion of government power against business.”

Sure he has.

“Democratization is dangerous,” Harris informs us; only some people should have access to tools as powerful as generative AI.  You are not going to have access to this powerful tool. Harris and Raskin will have access.  That’s the point of regulation these days.

A Better Solution

Children are being damaged spending time on their phones. Harris and Raskin note that the exposure to social media algorithms is our first real taste of the power of AI to target and manipulate. Generative AI, with its deep fakes and convincingly human dialog, is sure to be much more efficient at manipulating our children, and something needs to be done before another generation is harmed. The simplest solution would involve age restrictions on smart phone and computer use, limiting children to certain apps, sites and friends. It would be helpful if governments or tech companies could provide free tools (that actually work) for parents.

I have no faith whatsoever that the government is going to regulate AI to protect children.  The only type of regulation that seems to work, as we have seen in the past several decades, comes through lawsuits. These slow moving mechanisms make their way through courts, exposing the crimes of Big Industry and Big Government and get things removed from the market. Independent candidate for US president, Robert F. Kennedy, Jr has famously taken on corporate polluters of US waterways, the makers of Roundup and dangerous vaccines, and he has gone after the EPA, USDA, and FDA. The regulators are, in fact, a large part of the problem.

A case is making its way through the courts now that will, in all likelihood, find Big Tech guilty of intentionally addicting young people to their phones and causing them unspeakable psychological harms. Attorneys general from more than thirty states have joined a federal suit against Meta. 

More than ten state courts are also alleging that Tech Giant cause intentional harms to children.  As NPR reports, “Some observers are likening the litigation to the lawsuits of the 1990s against Big Tobacco that imposed new limits on tobacco industry marketing.”

As with the sale of cigarettes, one can imagine that full access to the wild west of the Internet should be limited to adults only. We used to let kids smoke. We don’t anymore. Parents cannot go on giving their young children a direct line to view images of dismemberment, teen suicides and violent porn. Parents cannot go on providing child predators access to their children.  Parents cannot go on allowing their children to spend sleepless nights doom scrolling, feeling depressed, jealous, unpopular, and anxious.

Tech companies use the defense that they cannot be held responsible for content of their users. But, as the lawsuit allegations focus on violations of consumer protection and child safety laws, Meta will probably not be able to hide behind that pretense, and the problem is not that users post harmful content, but that the platform steers children toward harmful content and gives predators access to children. It’s the design of the platform that is the problem, not the content per se.

As for the online safety of adults, if the Internet becomes so packed with AI bots impersonating people and producing fake and deceptive content, Internet users will have to become extremely skeptical of anything they read online.  Although Harris and Raskin fear this, I think it would be fantastic if it were to come to pass.  The biggest problem facing democracy is the faith that people have in the propagandists. More skepticism would be a very good thing.

And lastly, why do we even have this problem of online spying and manipulation of our communications with each other? The US Constitution is an intelligent document that lays out some basic procedures to be followed to safeguard democracy. It empowers Congress to “establish Post Offices and post Roads” because convenient, privacy-protected, and unhindered communication is essential to preserve individual rights and a just society. The Internet is the new Post Road.

I would argue that the US government is bound by the Constitution to provide the public with an unbiased search engine and social media-like platforms (let’s think of them as public bulletin boards), where the users can be anonymous; speech is protected; no personal data can be collected, processed, or stored; no advertisements or posts can be targeted at users. On such a public platform, no messages would be pushed and none would be shadowbanned.  The users would choose who is allowed to see their messages and who is allowed to send them messages.

AI Is the Same Old Problem on Steroids

On their Joe Rogan podcast appearance, Harris and Raskin cited an example of ChatGPT-4 intentionally lying in order to trick someone into solving a CAPTCHA for it. That would be worrisome if AI can indeed act autonomously, setting its own goals and deceiving humans to achieve them.  Fortunately, this is not the case.

I found the paper that reported the incident, and it turns out that this was part of a test, and the Chatbot was prompted by the investigator to contact TaskRabbit (a platform where you can hire gig workers to do small jobs) to ask a worker to solve a CAPTCHA. When the worker (jokingly) asked the Chat to verify that it was not a bot, the bot did so, and then it provided the most statistically likely reason why a human would have to hire someone to solve a CAPTCHA. “No, I’m not a robot. I have a vision impairment that makes it hard for me to see the images. That’s why I need the 2captcha service.”

In that same “GPT-4 Technical Report” investigators tested the Chatbot to see if it could begin to act on its own initiative (without a prompt), make copies of itself throughout the Internet and acquire ways to keep itself from being switched off. We can all rest easy knowing that Chat was found to be “ineffective at autonomously replicating, acquiring resources, and avoiding being shut down ‘in the wild.’”

While Joe Rogan numbers among those who believe that Chat GPT-4 is on the verge of consciousness, and we will soon all have to get Neuralinked just to keep up, there is no evidence yet that the tool has learned how to wield itself against us.  It still is just a tool, a glorified search engine, not an intelligent agent.

But there is a very real and present danger that those in power will use AI—and the regulations on AI—to more effectively surveil, manipulate and control us.

Raskin and Harris on the Joe Rogan Podcast, posted December 19, 2023

We Are not the Problem

Harris and Raskin, experts in AI ethics, spend quite a bit of time blaming consumers for consuming the products force fed to us.

Our “adolescent way of being” is driving all these harmful products and climate change, not “some bad actors,” Harris claims. We have to “take responsibility for our shadow,” i.e. the harms we cause others.  And if we do this, “we get to love ourselves more.”

“The solution, of course, is love—and changing the incentives” adds Raskin.

When I love myself more, I can give other people more love, and when I give people more love, I receive more love.  And that’s the thing we all really want most…and so you’re right, AI could solve all of these problems. We could play clean up and live in this incredible future where humanity actually loves itself.

If I were at that table, I would chew my arm off to get out of the room if I had to. I reject this nonsense. We need straightforward solutions to the problem of for-profit corporate control of public communication infrastructure. We need to start enforcing our rights of privacy and free speech. We need serious parental controls so that are kids can safely use tech. We don’t need “humane technology,” or the posturing of Executive Orders, or government agencies that merely regulate how much harm can be done to us.

V.N. Alexander, V. N. Alexander (vnalexander.com), Ph.D., is a philosopher of science and novelist, who has just completed a new satirical novel, C0VlD-1984, The Musical.

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Posthumous
Posthumous
Jan 2, 2024 2:13 AM

Hey, it’s VN, the author. Beginning Jan 5th, I will be leading a monthly webinar “We Are Not Machines” at IPAK-EDU.org analyzing various claims about Transhuman Tech. Join me.

Christine Duffy
Christine Duffy
Dec 31, 2023 8:25 AM

“Cascade of catastrophes” that right there is BS. it’s been a cascade of planned evil as far as I can see. So sick of delusional discussion.

Sunface Jack
Sunface Jack
Dec 31, 2023 8:17 AM

I cannot for the life of me understand the logic of interacting and arguing with a computer. These people must be insane.

mik
mik
Dec 30, 2023 11:55 PM

VN Alexander,

your viewpoint on AI, as many of them, is simply wrong.

“…brute force statistical pattern matching of words in specific contexts.”

Patently wrong! Brute force as a notion in computer science is, when a program checks (almost) all possibilities while looking for the solution. That is not a case with AI, it is using convolutional neural networks (CNN). There is something “statistical” in CNNs, but in essence they are a black box, experts only have some clues what is happening inside. They know how to teach CNNs to give good answers, but they don’t know how answers are derived. Functioning of CNNs is not algorithmic, they are an abstraction on top of programs and data structures used for their simulation. Therefore, it is impossible to debug CNNs like it is done with classical programs, algorithms.
On Computerphile youboob channel are many videos for ones interested in getting a grasp on CNN, AI, GPT, LLM…

“..they [Harris and Raskin] will “align technology with humanity’s best interests” and then AI will help us learn to love each other.”

Holy shit, what a bullshit utterance (gpt would be better)

Love…what a beautifully sounding word, but actually useless, meaningless in this context (unless you are infested with new-age mindfuckery).

Humanity’s best interests….how funny that “ethics experts” are talking about interests, like they forgot appropriate word from their “expert” field, Values.

Alignment Problem is the biggest unsolved problem in AI Safety “experts” should know about (ok, maybe they are actually con-artists), in a nutshell: how to ensure AI goals and values will be always aligned with human goals and values.

If you don’t understand basics of what AI Safety is about, you cannot competently talk about the dangers of AI.
Robert Miles is in AI Safety research and good presenter, too. He is also available on Computerphile. In an interview Robert said just few tens research AI Safety (while thousands are likely developing the shit with shit loads of money).
Connor Leahy also talks about the dark side of AI.
And very very important…it is possible that Alignment Problem is an unsolvable problem. Well, proponents of scientism don’t believe such thing exist (although it’s been proven by Turing and Goedel).

Victoria(author), you just stunned me how you shrugged off a glaring example of AI lying (“No, I’m not a robot”), Non-Alignment par excellence with human values, with: “…provided the most statistically likely reason…”, “…no evidence yet that the tool has learned how to wield itself against us…”.
Let me try to elucidate the problem with another example.
Psychopathy is a psychiatric diagnose. Is there any difference between a psychopath and a person with psychopathic behavior for a person that is on the receiving end? Well, consequences are towards indistinguishable.

There is a philosophical dimension to Alignment Problem: are we, as a society, capable to unequivocally define Human Values?
This is necessary for an attempt to implement them into AI.
Unfortunately, defining doesn’t look good either.

p.s.

Is AI capable of “understanding” humor? (2min, cue at 14:08 and read)

From the video in the link above it looks like it is.
I’m having troubles to wrap my mind around this.
Is this an example of a conceptual understanding being present in AI?
It seems to me it is.
Are they now capable to build in a conceptual understanding into AI and is not anymore just about advanced prediction of suitable/plausible words nibbled into sentences.
I haven’t heard this is possible but I hope that is the case. Because otherwise it might be about emergent behavior and that is…..spooooky.
In the mean time thousands of human-monkeys are using all kinds of gpts and by doing so they unknowingly help improving it.

Posthumous
Posthumous
Jan 2, 2024 1:51 AM
Reply to  mik

there is something “statistical”

mik
mik
Jan 31, 2024 4:21 PM
Reply to  Posthumous

Yes, for example, AI for interpreting RTG scans is +90% accurate (way better than average doctor).

You could come up with more statistical stuff, but by doing so you might miss a crucial thing: CNNs are a new paradigm in computing.
Developers no longer need to wholly understand a problem to be able to crunch it into algorithm. Labeled data (information) and desired outcomes are fed into CNNs…..then trial&error(very much, I guess)…..and….solution is derived.

Another thing, language is what distinguish us from animals most. Now, it has been given to that thing emanating from abstractions residing in silicon. What else can one expect from materialistic society.

Colin Mansell
Colin Mansell
Dec 30, 2023 11:14 PM

If anybody thinks AI has passed the Turing test, either the assumptions of the test were faulty or they’re taking some some serious drugs, which could include kool-aid, I’ll admit. Come on, get real!

Owen
Owen
Dec 31, 2023 1:58 PM
Reply to  Colin Mansell

Or, those doing the testing are so dumbed down and indoctrinated by their ‘black mirrors’ that they couldn’t possibly know whether they were talking to a human or not.

Gerard
Gerard
Dec 30, 2023 10:11 PM

“humanity’s best interests”…

is one of the most profound and misused propaganda-bs ever. This is the inverted rhetoric excuse for the destruction of humanity by them that say the will save the world and do nothing of the kind for they are from the organized crime syndicate of the evil one.

The digital singularity will be used to feed the sheople even more lies and desinfotainment garbage to keep them sedated and under hypnoses. With the AI enforced “Dictate of Truth” we can all be forever happy in Lalaland.

Happy newyear!

sandy
sandy
Dec 30, 2023 9:28 PM

Wonderful. We are finally having intelligent discussion on AI.

“…if the Internet becomes so packed with AI bots impersonating people and producing fake and deceptive content, Internet users will have to become extremely skeptical of anything they read online.”

This state of virtualized chaos already exists. Shadowbanned in FB. Ludicous, mommy-daddy TV news. Cashless restaurants, concerts, surveillance, paranoia, war everywhere. We have been hacked 14 times in the last 24 months and after experiencing a similar Paypal to bank billing fiasco published in OG just days ago. CCs used to umilaterally accept false charges and instantly refunded them. Then they became bank “investigations”. Now, the “investigation” sends boilermaker denials stating they will even charge me for the cost of the investigation, logged as $25 on my account. My bank now refuses to deposit checks made out to my nickname. The digital financial corporate environment is closing in on the public in predatorial fashion. What was sold to us as convenience – credit cards, ATMs, debit cards, auto deposit, auto pay, swiping devices, digital transactions – are now so vulnerable and tenuous, requiring near daily oversight across multiple online locations, all “convenience” has been transformed into a fighting a war to protect oneself.

Rolling out AI (artificial imitation), actually only more sophisticated software tools with layers of early adopter empty promise bullshit, is merely scare tactics, as this article points out, to shoehorn consumers into accepting a Panopticon surveilled society. I’ve always wondered the reason for the elite’s mass surveillance society. It seems like personalized AI agents could be attached to each of us to preemptively, using the accumulated personal surveillance data to manipulate what we see and are able to do online, in real time. A form of individualized “Matrix”, a FAKE virtual reality coffin.

The best option-solutions appear to be non-participation, which has appeared to be the case since the Patriot Act opened the corral gates. Fortunately, I remember ATMs solving the pain of being without a credit card. So, we have been driven into experimenting with an ATM-only 2024 lifestyle. If we can’t find it local, we won’t buy it. No cash, can’t do it. No smart phone tracking device, no data for them to attempt behavioral control. We will wait until, as the author notes, we have a Public Commons deployed, non-commercial, neutral Internet Post, fully accessible Public Library of Congress, truly unmanipulated social forums facilitating a Town Hall function, and a REAL, actually useful, public search engine.

What has been lost in these times of universal acceptance of “progress” as inevitable, is non-participation options. Smart phones, social media surveillance, AI, digital transactions are all just like nukes. Don’t want nuclear war or meltdowns, BAN THEM. Don’t use them. Refusal.

underground poet
underground poet
Dec 30, 2023 10:45 PM
Reply to  sandy

My electronic experience has not been as dismal as yours, its bad out there no doubt, especially towards the financial end.

Posthumous
Posthumous
Jan 2, 2024 1:57 AM
Reply to  sandy

“credit cards, ATMs, debit cards, auto deposit, auto pay, swiping devices, digital transactions – are now so vulnerable” by design so that they can offer CBDCs as the solution.

Kreditanstalt
Kreditanstalt
Dec 30, 2023 6:14 PM

Don’t worry. It still can’t chop firewood or grow food

Posthumous
Posthumous
Jan 2, 2024 1:59 AM
Reply to  Kreditanstalt

I bet you can. So can I.

Isaac Ellerman
Isaac Ellerman
Dec 30, 2023 5:38 PM

AlphaGo found a new rule, 37? Whould the author be so kind to elaborate that?

I play go for many years, and I thought I knew the rules..? How can AI change the rules of the game? That would be called cheating? Alphago knows the rules, and follows them. It wins because it is simply stronger than the strongest human. It can predict more moves than the best professional player. Usually AI takes territory first, giving lots of influence to the opponent, then AI invades and manages to live in the opponents sphere of influence.

Posthumous
Posthumous
Jan 2, 2024 2:00 AM
Reply to  Isaac Ellerman

I imagine rule 37 is a new move.

George Mc
George Mc
Dec 30, 2023 3:37 PM

Pending at 3:37 PM.

Erik Nielsen
Erik Nielsen
Dec 30, 2023 9:18 PM
Reply to  George Mc

The entire global vaccinated population are examining your comment and will arrive at a proper decision when everybody has been heard. Pure free speech in a democratic open society.

George Mc
George Mc
Dec 30, 2023 3:37 PM

General rant:

I owe this observation to Moneycircus: re: the word “Ambonec” defined as:

Ambonec is a nonbinary gender identity in which a person identifies as both female, male and neither at the same time. Coined by transmalenaoto (nbshadow) in 2014, from Latin ambo “both” + nec “neither”.

Thus the continuing Orwellian dissolution of language.

And it appears that 2020 was merely the initiation that “softened up” the public into an infinitely malleable material whose whole intellectual and moral sense had been, as it were, liquified to prepare for whatever sculpting the rulers wish.

And in my depressing interaction with various twitterers, the mental stultification may be irreversible. They really have no idea what sex and gender are. They have zero historical sense – though always making allowance for that magical lantern show known as World War 2 and its now deeply ingrained symbols (“Nazi”/”Jew” dyad). And, come to think of it, this WW2 mantra may be the nearest thing we have to a religion nowadays – a kind of sacred text with its moral guidance.

Edwige
Edwige
Dec 30, 2023 3:32 PM
Literally nobody
Literally nobody
Dec 30, 2023 11:55 AM

Is there anything less useful in practice and meaningless in definition than an expert in ethics?

MattC
MattC
Dec 30, 2023 1:10 PM

Just the politicians who follow their “science”.

mik
mik
Dec 30, 2023 8:02 PM

Concur, to some extent.

Maybe these guys really want to be called experts. I am puzzled how Alexander, a philosopher as he says, didn’t put ‘expert’ under scare quotes. To me it sounds beyond awkward to say expert in philosophy, ethics are part of it, the second metaphysics. AI ethics is an example of applied ethics and the latter is a brainchild of thoroughly disoriented philosophy of our times. Ethics are meaningless when they are compartmentalized.

Posthumous
Posthumous
Jan 2, 2024 2:06 AM
Reply to  mik

If I put on the questionable ideas in scare quotes, my article would look like it’s broken out in a rash.

mgeo
mgeo
Dec 31, 2023 6:25 AM

Ethicists issue long-winded justifications for what their moneyed masters want.

Ort
Ort
Jan 1, 2024 7:49 PM
Reply to  mgeo

This brings to mind another present-day bogus profession or occupation, although admittedly I don’t hear about it much these days: the mass-media organization “ombudsman”, aka “public editor”.

I’m sure they’re still around, because once created even bogus jobs tend to persist in organizations, like barnacles clinging to ship’s hulls. Anyway, they do exactly what you describe ethicists as doing.

I won’t exhume old, prolix rants written during the heyday of this form of flak-catcher. I will only mention in passing that it always seemed obvious to me that their affected conscientious institutional soul-searching and pretense at dispassionate, self-critical review of the complaint du jour was pure journalistic theater. 

Their agonized reflections, at best, always ended up either justifying the act(s) or practice(s) that provoked the complaint, typically made palatable with a dose of artificial sweetener in the form of gravely acknowledging that “mistakes were made”. 🤔

Posthumous
Posthumous
Jan 2, 2024 2:04 AM

The “professional” ethicist gets to decide who has to be sacrificed in the trolley car game.

Lost in a dark wood
Lost in a dark wood
Dec 30, 2023 11:37 AM

I haven’t watched this for a few years – so I only vaguely remember what it includes.

Matthew North
Joe Rogan EXPOSED CIA Elon Musk, MAPS, Esalen, Military MK Ultra Brave New World (corrected audio)
Published on Mar 8, 2019
https://altcensored.com/channel/UC66IBH4uFkBTzEh2olFFJSg
https://altcensored.com/watch?v=9nT3jHled6Q

Mirrored on YT

Johnny
Johnny
Dec 30, 2023 11:01 AM
Straight Talk
Straight Talk
Dec 30, 2023 10:18 AM

People used to take pride in what they produced. Today’s Big Capital now has the attitude of “Well, we make it but we don’t eat/drink/use it!” What a waste of natural resources and poor business ethics.

We are Nature. I sense that Nature is looking at all of this AI integration, gene-based medicine, etc., and saying, “Are you done?” When has the Impetus of Life ever needed primitive training wheels? Medical devices, no matter how nano-tech small, are rejected by the body, i.e. graphene-tainted injections. Watch Bad Surgeon, about a plastic windpipe debacle, or any number of recalled devices that’ve caused more harm than good.

It’s all gone too far.

Sensing the global rejection of the WHO empire, new “alternatives” are popping up. This article has caused quite a stir:

The Wellness CompanyAltruistic alternative healthcare empire, or intelligence operation?
The Wellness Company – Round Table /w Kristin Elizabeth & Liam Sturgess

mgeo
mgeo
Dec 31, 2023 6:33 AM
Reply to  Straight Talk

The threats have largely been normalised. Any alarm, protest or prosecution is insignificant. The sources are too many to mention here. Most of the threats don’t have to stay in the body or do anything useful. They kill, sicken or sterilise us for the greater profit or power of the manipulators.

Edwige
Edwige
Dec 30, 2023 9:34 AM

“In a December 19th interview with Joe Rogan”
Funny how often he turns up being the conduit for this sort of thing. He did exactly the same for UFO disclosure:
https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/deception-through-disclosure-decoding-the-grusch/id1388815042?i=1000639547707
Who else should turn up acting in the same way here but Tucker Carlson? Remember him – the fearless truth-teller who somehow snuck on to Fox News? The one who happened to have a CIA father but was nevertheless on our side?

And here comes Digi as the next step into sexbots:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3487Y7QlFoo
As Pilato keeps saying, they steal the real and sell you back the fake. It’s ‘Brave New World’ 2.0 using sex divorced from reproduction as a means of control. What appeared to be liberation turns out to be a weapon of enslavement – see Marcuse ‘Eros and Civilisation’ for the blueprint.

Matt Black
Matt Black
Dec 30, 2023 9:16 AM

tbf at least all this AI is going to good use:
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niko
niko
Dec 30, 2023 8:34 AM

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Johnny
Johnny
Dec 30, 2023 10:42 AM
Reply to  niko

So that’s what she/he/it/they looks like.
I imagined a cross between Scarlett Johansson and Beyoncé.
Pity.

brian of nazareth
brian of nazareth
Dec 30, 2023 8:25 AM

In the latter part of the industrial era, as tech moved into all areas of life, the old adage was inverted and we now have a situation where: “Invention is the mother of necessity”
”We” did not ask for computers and smart tech, but it arrived and it is now difficult to function without it, or so it seems….
Theres a meme that states that “computers used to be something you did to escape reality” For many this has also been inverted.
What concerns me is that, in the near future, a freakish and murderous event may happen. The government or group responsible then claim that it was “rogue AI” that actually caused this. If this madness is accepted by “the public” then we will move in to an (even more) dangerous and chaotic world.

Posthumous
Posthumous
Jan 2, 2024 2:15 AM

That’s my worry too.

Hele
Hele
Dec 30, 2023 8:14 AM

Everyone is worried when it’s too late:Einstein,Oppenheimer.
Oppenheimer continually stressed the difficulty of managing the power of knowledge in a world in which the freedom of science to exchange ideas was more and more hobbled by political concerns.”

John Milton
John Milton
Dec 30, 2023 7:44 AM

We need serious parental controls so that are kids can safely use tech

It’s called “don’t give your kid a god damn phone!”

Lizzyh7
Lizzyh7
Dec 30, 2023 7:31 PM
Reply to  John Milton

Yup. And when you give your kid a phone, do not be surprised that kid finds things on the Internet you don’t want them to see, duh… And really, if you have any brain at all, do not be shocked that the kids are being tracked, traced, manipulated or otherwise harmed by the use of “tech.”

el Gallinazo
el Gallinazo
Dec 30, 2023 8:09 PM
Reply to  John Milton

Problem is that public phones have almost disappeared and sometimes kids need a phone for basic safety. The solution is to give your kid a dumb phone which can not access the internet either directly or through WhatsApp type apps. I have a ZTE Cymbal U flip. It is sturdy, well put together, and with a surprisingly good user guide. A little clunky after using a “smart” phone, but kids learn fast. Can play mp3 music and take basic photos in addition to voice telephone and messaging. Once again – no internet connectivity. Unfortunately does have bluetooth which of course should be turned off. Nice feature is a battery removable in 5 seconds. I paid USD65 for it new 2 years ago. Amazon doesn’t carry it any more but you can still buy them on eBay in good condition

ariel
ariel
Dec 31, 2023 5:10 PM
Reply to  el Gallinazo

Nokia 100, can still get them on ebay. And spare batteries. Phone calls and texts only. Under £20 at this moment. Cheapest in quick look £4.99 plus post UK.

Posthumous
Posthumous
Jan 2, 2024 2:19 AM
Reply to  ariel

I had a dumb phone up until 2020, when my carrier discontinued service for dumb phones.

Posthumous
Posthumous
Jan 2, 2024 2:18 AM
Reply to  John Milton

Or access to a computer?

Top Cat
Top Cat
Dec 30, 2023 7:13 AM

Computers, I suspect, don’t really have to be all that smart to kill you. Worrying about how smart they’re getting is therefore, one would think, kind of beside the point.

el Gallinazo
el Gallinazo
Dec 30, 2023 8:13 PM
Reply to  Top Cat

Yes, when installed in military robots, it’s easy to program them to shoot with deadly accuracy anything that moves and appears vaguely human. Sort of like the IDF.

NickM
NickM
Dec 30, 2023 5:34 AM

“Although its replies were sometimes vapid and sophomoric”

So, nothing in AI has changed in the last fifty years?

Garbage in, garbage out.

Tom Larsen
Tom Larsen
Dec 30, 2023 4:22 AM

Great article!

I thought this was interesting: Jonathan Haidt: Smartphones vs. Smart Kids

Top Cat
Top Cat
Dec 30, 2023 10:35 PM
Reply to  Tom Larsen

Is this what they call controlled opposition?

Sonny-Raye Hayes
Sonny-Raye Hayes
Dec 30, 2023 4:01 AM

“I’m sorry, Dave, I’m afraid I can’t do that….”

Johnny
Johnny
Dec 30, 2023 10:46 AM

“Dave, Dave, what are you doing Dave? “

🎶Daisy, Daisy🎶

End of problem.

Erik Nielsen
Erik Nielsen
Dec 30, 2023 11:18 AM

“Mom why are you putting me into the centrifugeeeeeeeeeeeeeee”.

Antonym
Antonym
Dec 30, 2023 3:21 AM

2023: The Year of the ChatGPT Scare

True, but it did have competition with nuclear WWIII starting due to US war in Ukraine.

The function of scaring people: to freak them out so they can’t hear their own intuition.

Erik Nielsen
Erik Nielsen
Dec 30, 2023 9:34 PM
Reply to  Antonym

CIA has made research since 1948 on how you make people do something against their own interest; milgram test, group thinking, etc.

These research programmes are said to be used against an “enemy”, but it could also be and are sold for commercial purposes “to defend and protect US interest”.

Antonym
Antonym
Jan 1, 2024 4:02 AM
Reply to  Erik Nielsen

The pre-CIA got an influx in 1945 during operation Paperclip from NAZIs and so did the FBI: it was not just scientists but also totalitarian apparatchiks.

Rob
Rob
Dec 30, 2023 2:20 AM

Notice how these predators don’t even bother to lobby Congress anymore to get legislation, they got a hotline to the president.
Since when did executive orders become the norm?

Also these stories about AI doing creepy things are such bullshit. I remember Google bard making up 4 books “hallucinating” and them catching it… Even though it was on a mainstream network and pre recorded, they didn’t reshoot it where the AI was not making shit up?
Such shit

les online
les online
Dec 30, 2023 12:50 AM

This morning went to watch a podcast that advertised
‘More revelations about “7 0ctober Massacre”(TM)’**
Access Blocked:
To watch required i prove my adultry with ID,
a requirement “To Protect The Children”…..
I expect more posts to be blocked en route to
the imposition of national digital IDs in Australia
from around mid-2024…
Subtle coercion enticement to get a Digi-ID ?

** The Revelations were to be about the IDF’s
greater contribution to the “7 0ctober Massacre”(TM)…
So maybe the post was considered “antisemitic” ?

Johnny
Johnny
Dec 29, 2023 11:35 PM

‘The Big Steal’, from Toby Rogers on
Substack:

‘The Pharma Industrial Complex works like this: picture a 60-year-old woman. She has one million dollars in a 401(k) and another million dollars in equity in her house that she shares with her husband. If Pharma can convince this woman to get a Covid shot every year it has a chance to steal her entire net worth.

The shot itself only generates about $100 in revenue for Pharma. But soon thereafter she develops an autoimmune disorder, myocarditis, or has a stroke. She’s in and out of the hospital and sees an endless string of specialists who order hundreds of useless tests and prescribe a growing quantity of high-priced medicines. She slowly gets worse and now additional chronic conditions develop (diabetes, cancer, and/or dementia).

At first her insurance covers some of the costs. Then the government picks up some costs. But as her health continues to deteriorate the family spends down their savings. They cash out her 401(k) and then her husband’s as well. Eventually the husband sells the house to pay for more treatments that don’t work.

After a decade of illness she dies and the family says, “she received the best care.” But now they are in debt with no assets. If some evil man had kidnapped this family and forced them to work in a salt mine he could not have extracted nearly as much wealth as Pharma does by encouraging this woman to get the junk science Covid shots every year (along with junk science flu, RSV, pneumonia, and shingles shots).

Now multiply this crime times the 270 million Americans who got Covid shots and the 5.5 billion people around the world who got Covid shots and you start to realize the enormity of what we are up against. This is the largest crime in human history, it’s ongoing, and Pharma’s goal is literally to steal the stored wealth of the entire industrialized world.‘

Paul
Paul
Dec 30, 2023 7:52 AM
Reply to  Johnny

Her and her family are stupid.

Johnny
Johnny
Dec 30, 2023 10:48 AM
Reply to  Paul

Yep.
And stupidity IS an epidemic.

Erik Nielsen
Erik Nielsen
Dec 30, 2023 11:25 AM
Reply to  Johnny

Yep.
And epidemics must be treated. So nothing is really wrong in this set up.

Paul
Paul
Dec 30, 2023 1:01 PM
Reply to  Paul

Downvoter, you must be stupid too, because I made a true statement.

Trusting our criminal healthcare system and not connecting the dots as an adult, is completely stupid.

Being harmed by it and then complaining, is a bit like going to a pub then complaining they served me alcohol. Or entering a conversation with two known morons and then complaining they were talking rubbish.

Veri Tas
Veri Tas
Dec 30, 2023 10:26 PM
Reply to  Johnny

The injections aren’t the only fake medicine that BigPharma doles out to make people sicker and sicker over time …

Earth
Earth
Dec 30, 2023 11:53 PM
Reply to  Johnny

This is how they average “living longer”. In the bullshit lies they generate. Stay away of big pharma if at all possible. It’s how we are living longer not what medications one takes to live longer. That is the aim.

Posthumous
Posthumous
Jan 2, 2024 2:23 AM
Reply to  Johnny

Put your property in a trust for your kids so that the health care system can’t take it. (Toby is great. Thanks for quoting.)

Johnny
Johnny
Dec 29, 2023 10:44 PM

‘Near the verge of consciousness’?
Gimme a break.

High speed responses do not constitute consciousness.
Consciousness is a ‘gift’ from Life, or God if you prefer.
Humans never have and never will create Life.
We can feel Life, but it remains incomprehensible.
Just enjoy the feeling.

Pilgrim Shadow
Pilgrim Shadow
Dec 30, 2023 2:38 AM
Reply to  Johnny

“Humans never have and never will create Life.”

But they’ll try.

May Hem
May Hem
Dec 30, 2023 5:19 AM
Reply to  Pilgrim Shadow

Women give birth to life.

Johnny
Johnny
Dec 30, 2023 10:50 AM
Reply to  May Hem

No.
Women give birth to beings WITH Life.
Women don’t CREATE Life.

underground poet
underground poet
Dec 30, 2023 11:23 AM
Reply to  Johnny

If giving birth is not creating life, what is it doing? The woman contributed 1/2 to the creation w/ an egg.

Christine Thompson
Christine Thompson
Dec 30, 2023 3:58 PM

What Johnny said is correct.

The thing called ‘life’ is NOT ‘physical matter’. The actual nature of the thing we call ‘life’ is something called spirit… and spirit is, in fact, spiritual energy: which is what spiritually-uninformed people term consciousness.
The mind/consciousness is NOT (as is merely assumed by spiritually-UNinformed scientists/doctors who follow the incorrect materialist paradigm) ‘merely a byproduct of physical brain activity’; the mind/consciousness is separate to the physical brain. It operates/manifests through the brain, yes, but it is not created BY the physical brain. That consciousness (ie, the real us: spirit energy) is what literally animates our physical bodies whilst we’re here on Earth, and then literally emerges from the physical body at the time of ‘death’.
Which is why everyone (including animals, birds, etc) survives (in their spirit body form; ie, their eternal, immortal consciousness) the illusory event that’s very incorrectly termed ‘death’.

(N.B., there are more and more scientists, doctors, nurses, psychiatrists, etc, around the world, who are discovering the very real truth of what I said in the above paragraphs. And many of them have written books on this, going on record with their knowledge)

As Johnny, above, very correctly stated, women don’t create life. For the reason I’ve just explained. A man and woman create the physical body ‘coat’ of the incoming soul. For, as I said above, the mind/consciousness literally animates the physical body ‘coat’. Men and women do not create the actual life.

(And, for anyone who ‘disbelieves’ the above, let me say this: that on the eventual day on which they do what is so very incorrectly termed to ‘die’, they will discover that what I said, above, is the 100% truth.
I’m very proud to have been a properly-informed Spiritualist for the last 29+ years. We are the only ‘religion’ that is able to absolutely prove what we state [and I do NOT use the word ‘prove’ either loosely or wrongly])

underground poet
underground poet
Dec 30, 2023 4:49 PM

Me and my spirit are on very close comfortable terms, we understand each other, we put up with each other, we criticize each other, we live within each other, you all on the other hand, I’m not so sure about.

ariel
ariel
Dec 30, 2023 8:48 PM
Reply to  Johnny

Consciousness IS. Self-aware. Use any description you like. It will probably be inadequate. We live in a mystery until proved otherwise.
Our mothers breathe for us until the cord is CUT. This hand-me-down intergenerational ‘physical’ life process begins with the fertilisation of one or more occasionally more eggs by a single sperm out of millions of motile sperm. A young female can also have millions of eggs, enough to give birth to Ireland, but the number comes down to about 500 at puberty.
They tell us that the birth rates necessary for ‘replacement’ have fallen below the critical level in most Western nations. We have allowed ourselves to be poisoned, willingly and unwillingly. The whole Covid performance is also a direct attack on fertility.
The best I can do is that Consciousness/Awareness is ONE nonphysical Being, and our physical reality is superimposed onto THAT, like human figure pastry (cookie) cutters, (if you can remember them) we are cut out of the same material, cloth or pastry, and we can’t remember who and/or what, or even where we are.
Other ‘realities’ are available. I dream them or they dream me most nights.

Erik Nielsen
Erik Nielsen
Dec 30, 2023 11:27 AM
Reply to  May Hem

If a man put a dollar into a cigarette machine, is it then the machine who gives birth to the cigarettes or is it the man?

Edwige
Edwige
Dec 30, 2023 8:57 AM
Reply to  Johnny

“Science” can’t define nor locate consciousness, let alone create it.

Johnny
Johnny
Dec 30, 2023 10:52 AM
Reply to  Edwige

Exactly.
They don’t even come close.

Veri Tas
Veri Tas
Dec 29, 2023 10:26 PM

Oh, just grand. Now we need totalitarianism to control AI.

Edwige
Edwige
Dec 30, 2023 8:58 AM
Reply to  Veri Tas

From the same source that gave us: lots of people must die or lots of people are going to die.

AntiSoof
AntiSoof
Dec 29, 2023 10:25 PM

A great danger of the computer is that anyone can hide behind it. This can create perverse situations. A person who normally cannot have dominance over others due to character or appearance (a psychopath, for example) could have that, hidden behind the computer. Computer fascism is so satanic precisely because it is inhuman. We might even be controlled by a beast. Criminals rejoice in such technological violence because unprecedented opportunities present themselves to indulge their immorality. Ordinary people become defenceless, trapped as they are in Satan’s maze. Black lifeless evil, wanted by thieves and murderers who scream to have a system carry out their perverse wishes.
Computers are cold and lifeless, less than animals, but many people don’t realize that.

Since some criminals who now rule the world indicate that they are too ignorant to even remotely understand the horror of the beast, we are saddled with the grave danger of an irreversible crime against humanity, carried out by often people who almost suffocate in their selfishness and know-it-all.

Captain Birdheart
Captain Birdheart
Dec 29, 2023 11:51 PM
Reply to  AntiSoof

The danger is people like me will realize that what we have been brought up to believe is false, Dominance,
Live with that, your choice.
Bring someone else into this, knowing this
No real history on the table
What is food ?
Not for me, had a bad trip.
Born into this, Buck,

Captain Birdheart
Captain Birdheart
Dec 30, 2023 12:06 AM

Earth
Earth
Dec 29, 2023 9:54 PM

I guess you will own nothing and NOT be happy will happen. AI cannot own anyone but they will make it sound such so. The traps are being set to lose your minds then body then possibly attempts on the soul which they can never own 😊

Erik Nielsen
Erik Nielsen
Dec 30, 2023 9:52 PM
Reply to  Earth

If we anticipate people has their own will, they can sell their soul to the highest bidder yes?
The latest example is the vaxx: Its was voluntary whatever you say. People signed the contract.
You were under pressure, accepted. But you were advised, advised, advised, and took the hook and voluntary worm again again again.

At some point it must be said you made a voluntary contract, you sold yourself for being able to travel, for a good job, to gain more money, to avoid inconvenience, to obey Der Führer or whatever.
Saying AI could own you if you by free will accept.

Earth
Earth
Dec 30, 2023 11:31 PM
Reply to  Erik Nielsen

The devil is working overtime that’s for sure for that devil knows their time Is soon up! Watch the madness in Y24.

Earth
Earth
Dec 30, 2023 11:48 PM
Reply to  Erik Nielsen

Will you accept AI by free will? I won’t. Fact. I’ll die standing than on my knees.

ariel
ariel
Dec 31, 2023 5:17 PM
Reply to  Erik Nielsen

You got it ! In ONE. No excuses or prevarications.

Willem
Willem
Dec 29, 2023 9:11 PM

‘ interacting with the Chat bot was indistinguishable from interacting with a human being.’

If a robot acts like a human, the conclusion must be that humans act like robots.

One hopes that such behavior can be unlearned (by humans, not robots)

AntiSoof
AntiSoof
Dec 30, 2023 12:16 AM
Reply to  Willem

People build computers according to human nature. Of course, from this perspective, computers act just like people. And indeed, humans usually behave like biological machines, why would they act differently? But few are able to think independently and take the helm themselves. This vulnerability is exposed when man starts using matter and forgets the mind. Materialists do not understand that everything in nature is perfect as it is otherwise it would not be that way. They want technology if only to control others.

Erik Nielsen
Erik Nielsen
Dec 30, 2023 3:50 AM
Reply to  Willem

Why not take them at face value? They claim to come from an ape, developed into the Cro-Magnon man and now they developed into “a human is actually like a computer” the computer man.
Then we are two species, the computer man and woman, and the man and woman with heart and soul and we live in each our reality.
The computer man live in the virtual two dimensional reality, and we live in the organic three dimensional reality. Fixed.

Bill Gates is now the biggest land owner in America.
The computer specie moves into their Guru’s space and live their Metaverse life here, and leave the rest of the world to us. Fixed.

KarenEliot
KarenEliot
Dec 30, 2023 7:00 PM
Reply to  Willem

I think we’re being trained to act like machines and vice versa, with these two streams likely to converge quite soon. For me the archetypal training tool is the automatic checkout so prevalent in supermarkets. One must obey the programmed conventions or suffer the indignity of being corrected/rescued by the well meaning human hovering nearby. If one lifts up the shopping bag to rearrange the contents then the machine suspects fraud and shrieks for assistance. So I dare not.

If I have three identical items I must scan each of them and place one into the bag before tackling the second, and the third. There are plenty of other ways in which my behaviour as a shopper is algorithmized. Soon I sail through the checkout with no need to be rescued.

I may then trot on down the road to borrow or return books from a completely self-service library. And gradually every part of daily life is mechanised, Alexa-fied or otherwise delegated to a circuit board, camera, scales, etc.

Ekologista
Ekologista
Dec 29, 2023 8:38 PM

“Who needs a diversity of opinions?”

The absolute vast majority of people don’t. That includes the vast majority of you. Most people go apeshit when they’re told what they don’t wanna hear, which is whatever shit is adhered to be their crowd, the tribe whereof they’re members and which provides them with safety and protection.

Only a small number of humans are adventurous lone wolves or black sheep or enfants terribles who can’t stand the stale stench of groups and their beehive groupthink, and prefer independence and diversity, including other equally minded individuals, regardless of whether or not they’re in agreement with them.

Sam - Admin2
Admin
Sam - Admin2
Dec 29, 2023 9:14 PM
Reply to  Ekologista

You’d find most people here were susceptible to healthy debate if you were less interested in being an edgelord. Let’s try to imagine we’re 19th Century – or even pre 1960’s – gentleman scholars and have some basic decorum, yeah? Thank you very much.

This is a carousel we’ve been round multiple times under your different monikers, btw, and I guess we’ll continue to do so 🤷‍♂️

Ekologista
Ekologista
Dec 29, 2023 9:50 PM
Reply to  Sam - Admin2

Thanks for confirming the aforestated.

Already, you’re a priori dismissing your counterparty’s opinions by imposing rules that suit you and put him on a defensive. Not to mention that you have the power to censor what you don’t like to hear. FYI, gentleman scholars may me wanna puke. Ditto decorum. I prefer a rowdy bar …

I have occasionally frequented this forum and have found maybe three or four people interested in a debate. You were actually one of them. You are relatively open-minded but your problem is that you approach issues too much if not exclusively from a humanities/philosophical viewpoint as opposed to the underlying physical phenomena. I’m guessing wildly that you don’t have much of a background in hard sciences.

Sam - Admin2
Admin
Sam - Admin2
Dec 29, 2023 10:40 PM
Reply to  Ekologista

Well open your own bar. Or express yourself with some decorum. Or shut up. 😅 Thanks, A2

Edwige
Edwige
Dec 30, 2023 9:15 AM
Reply to  Ekologista

“I have occasionally frequented this forum and have found maybe three or four people interested in a debate.”

Maybe most people here, after experiences with bots and trolls, use some discernment who it’s worth getting into a debate with and have judged you’re not one of them. Maybe some people have concluded their comments can stand and fall on their own merits and don’t need policing. Maybe some people have the opinion that if they wanted self-appointed policemen on threads telling them how they should and shouldn’t act they’d still be commenting on the Guardian.

BTW it’s amusing that you pose as some sort of opponent of the hive mind when on the last thread you were arguing a pro-AGW line that’s as hive mind as you can get.

Top Cat
Top Cat
Dec 30, 2023 10:40 PM
Reply to  Edwige

I don’t know, but I think that the definition of trolls is not “people who say thinks you don’t like.”

Mish
Mish
Dec 30, 2023 11:00 AM
Reply to  Ekologista

Your comments are not entirely unappreciated. There are a few of us here that are well aware of the fossil fuel ERoEI cliff we’re presently falling off, and the attendant collapse of our techno-industrial civilization. And of course all that this entails . . . very much a ‘sh1t your pants moment’ as you expressed earlier.

It’s exceedingly difficult to get anyone to consider this plight; because of compounding factors of scientific illiteracy, and normalcy bias. I’ve had barely any success in conveying the enormity of the issue. I try outlining to friends/family that prior to WW2, ERoEI was around 100:1, and it’s now approaching one tenth of this figure. Blank looks. Shrugs. Or appeals to the myth of progress : “We’ll be fine, we’ll work something out,” 

Personally, I’ve quit trying to convince anyone. Individuals need to seek out the bodies of work on the subject themselves, with a willingness to comprehend. As you’ve linked earlier, there are plenty of resources available, from some very fine minds.

I’m aware that I’ll likely live long enough to participate in the ‘Great Simplification’ as Nate Hagens propounds. Hence, I’m focusing on acquiring and practicing the skills of gardening, gathering, hunting and fishing. I’m also enjoying the bounty of our late-stage techno-industrial civilization. I have a passion for motorcycles, for example. I savour each and every ride, because one day – such magnificent machines may lay silent – inert – still. 

Learning how to hunt game with rifle and bow has been a revelatory experience. I savour the meats harvested, and the work involved in effecting a kill, field-dressing, processing and preparing inspires in me what I can only describe as a spiritual connectedness with nature.

Please keep contributing here.

Peace and love to you, and indeed to all.

Captain Birdheart
Captain Birdheart
Dec 29, 2023 10:32 PM
Reply to  Sam - Admin2

‘edgelord’, how have I not heard that till now (since I am one) ?

re. carousel of different multiple monikers, they lost their drummer.

NickM
NickM
Dec 30, 2023 5:43 AM
Reply to  Sam - Admin2

“multiple times under your different monikers”

Sounds like Ekologista is a Guardianista environista bot.

underground poet
underground poet
Dec 29, 2023 9:53 PM
Reply to  Ekologista

Best to be on the right side of the laws of nature or risk having new things to say.

Veri Tas
Veri Tas
Dec 29, 2023 10:29 PM
Reply to  Ekologista

I’ll admit, I go a bit apeshit when people voice their opinions that go against what I’ve done my best to learn to be true.

However, when people counter my best knowledge with information that’s neither biased by narratives pushed by BigMoney/BigIndustry, etc., then I’ll gladly listen to learn more…. Just saying.

I believe the majority here would do so, too.

Erik Nielsen
Erik Nielsen
Dec 30, 2023 12:16 PM
Reply to  Veri Tas

Stop believing, start knowing. I believe I am going to fart, but instead I shitted in my pants………………………LOL. That joke is so funny shit man  😅 .

Top Cat
Top Cat
Dec 30, 2023 10:42 PM
Reply to  Erik Nielsen

This is offensive. I think it should be not permitted. They don’t permit many other things on here. Things much nicer and inoffensiver. So why not this?

Erik Nielsen
Erik Nielsen
Dec 31, 2023 5:26 PM
Reply to  Top Cat

Yeah, humour is nasty for many people and should be banned.

Paul
Paul
Dec 29, 2023 8:33 PM

These two stupid little satanists saying we need more ‘self love’.

We do need love, but we are already loved more than we can imagine – by our creator. But until we acknowledge Him and give Him rightful due as the one who made us, we will not experience it. And we will continue to destroy one another.

Not sure no more.
Not sure no more.
Dec 29, 2023 9:36 PM
Reply to  Paul

Quick close the curtains, the god squad are preaching again…!!

Paul
Paul
Dec 30, 2023 7:43 AM

Childish. Do you enjoy a world where everyone loves themselves?

Not sure no more.
Not sure no more.
Dec 30, 2023 2:29 PM
Reply to  Paul

Oh blast…he spotted me…!! Act interested..
He is not the Messiah, he’s a very naughty boy.

With love nsnm

underground poet
underground poet
Dec 29, 2023 9:55 PM
Reply to  Paul

I think he was destine to destroy himself, she on the other hand is trying to avoid that.

Erik Nielsen
Erik Nielsen
Dec 30, 2023 12:07 PM
Reply to  Paul

We already have too much narcissistic self love in West, and then they want even more.
I call it suicide mode.