What no one is saying about Ireland’s “sexist language” referendum
Kit Knightly
Today is International Women’s Day. It’s also the day Irish public goes to the polls for a referendum on the “sexist language” of article 41.2 of the Irish constitution.
The article currently reads:
The state recognises that by her life within the home, woman gives to the state a support without which the common good cannot be achieved. The state shall, therefore, endeavour to ensure that mothers shall not be obliged by economic necessity to engage in labour to the neglect of their duties in the home.”
If the “yes” vote wins, this text will be changed to:
The State recognises that the provision of care, by members of a family to one another by reason of the bonds that exist among them, gives to Society a support without which the common good cannot be achieved, and shall strive to support such provision.”
From politicians to the press to the public, the debate on this issue has been almost entirely about gender, what it means, how it’s defined and traditional vs modern roles.
The old wording is sexist, the yes voters say. The new wording undermines female identity, the no voters counter.
Everyone is saying this is an issue of gender politics.
And everyone is wrong.
The important question here is not about gender, it’s about the weakening of legal protections and guarantees.
That said, it’s not hard to see why or how the “sexist language” issue has taken hold of the debate, not least because it is partially true.
The wording of the current version is somewhat outdated, and the issue taps into the swirling zeitgeist arguments on gender roles, female identity and the transgender debate (for a thoughtful read on that check out Sinead Murphy’s article from yesterday).
Of course, the press and political establishment have encouraged this dynamic, partly because the blanket global policy right now is to entrench divisive and over-zealous identity politics, and partly because they don’t want people to notice their linguistic sleight of hand.
It’s all part of a concerted effort to get everyone focusing on the wrong words. Even staging the vote on International Women’s Day is part of the trick.
Let’s read the current version again, looking past the words it uses to what it actually says [emphasis added]:
The state recognises that by her life within the home, woman gives to the state a support without which the common good cannot be achieved. The state shall, therefore, endeavour to ensure that mothers shall not be obliged by economic necessity to engage in labour to the neglect of their duties in the home.”
While the language may seem somewhat dated to modern ears, the law itself is not in any way sexist.
It doesn’t say women belong in the home, it doesn’t say women are not permitted to work. What it says – in plain unvarnished language – is that no Irish woman should ever have to choose between working and raising her children based on financial considerations.
That last part is the important part, it’s also the part they’re taking out.
Essentially, it says “Raising the next generation of human beings is vitally important work, and you should be respected and compensated for doing it.”
Is that not an entirely feminist position? Does the new version make that same promise?
The State recognises that the provision of care, by members of a family to one another by reason of the bonds that exist among them, gives to Society a support without which the common good cannot be achieved, and shall strive to support such provision.”
The old version of the clause is explicitly financial, is that true of the new version?
Mark the words that are now missing. “Ensure” and “labour” are gone, as is “obliged by economic necessity”.
The language is now soft, not hard. Vague rather than specific.
The reference to “mothers” made it clear this was about support for raising children, now it could be about almost any definition of family, and as such can no longer truly be read as a protection of parental rights.
The new version means almost nothing.
At the end of the day, this is not about “woman” and “mother” vs “members of a family to one another by reason of bonds that exist among them”.
It’s about “mothers shall not be obliged by economic necessity to engage in labour” vs…well, nothing.
The new language turns a specific guarantee of financial support into a vague effort to sort of maybe protect an undefined concept of “care”.
The end result of a “yes” vote won’t be less sexism, it will be fewer guaranteed legal protections and potentially less financial support for mothers.
That’s why the government is pushing so hard for that “yes” vote.
That’s what’s really going on here. Under cover of “fairness” and “equality”, they are trying to trick socially conscious Irish women into giving up their legal rights.
And that’s what the hypnotism of hardcore identity politics is all about, tyranny disguised as justice. Stripping everyone of everything in the name of “fairness”.
In that way it’s very much a referendum on the modern world.
Do we want laws which are fair or laws which sound fair?
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Yet another example of meaningless drivel, like “sectarian drift” in French law proposal. It comes up all the time in statements from local to national to global institutions of all sorts. A little common logic is all that is needed to understand that as you point out in reality guarantees absolutely nothing. So comforting, makes most feel nice. Makes me sick to my stomach. You can fool basically all the people, all the time.
der oirish are gone now der scotch 2 and donte mentions the welsche
all been barbera lerner spectored by gobohomo
Can you remember when Ireland was a catholic country (most of it) strictly against abortion? It wasn’t all that long ago.
The referendum lost!!
Great news! Now they’ll have to think of another way to hoodwink the Irish. Or try the same trick again with different words?
Yes, I’ve been thinking that, too. The politicians who pushed these two referenda are all saying that they “respect the will of the electorate”, but that the words used in the attempted revision were “wrong” and “mistaken”. This suggests, to me, that they’ll be back next year, with new provisions to make us vote again, just as they did in two previous referenda, until we “got it right”.
We all know that ‘support’ can today mean turn a blind eye to atrocities, send ships full of weapons, or drop mouldy bags of flour by parachute, and plenty else besides….
“to the neglect of their duties in the home”. What are these duties which mothers are supposed to perform? Are there similar duties for the fathers too?
Looking after their children, just as my mother did with hers. The father’s duties were earning a living for his family and being a father figure.
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A good example of how they try to sell their insane ideas in the early stages:
https://www.inverse.com/tech/vr-tourism-meta-quest-3-apps-review?utm_source=pocket-newtab-en-gb
They know there’s still massive resistance to VR so the article appears sceptical. However what the article wants is VR “done better”, it’s not dismissive of the whole concept (outside a few limited uses). It doesn’t argue the fundamental problem – that a fake reality is inherently inferior to a real reality, indeed it pushes the idea that the brain can’t tell the difference. Of course it pushes VR tourism as a solution to climate change without any questioning of that paradigm. “Not yet” is the conclusion, not “not at all”.
As Pilato likes to say, they steal the real and sell you back the fake.
It’s important to note that for decades successive governments have paid no heed to the reference to “economic necessity” – for the over-whelming majority it has been an economic necessity for both to work. Nothing will change in that regard with the current FFG mindset. So better to have equality in the wording overall.
A far bigger concern is the wording of the new hate crime legislation.
… and the disappearance of the words “mother” and “woman.”
When lookng for a Mother’s Day (UK) card last week, I noticed cards for those with ‘two mums’. Presumably given to both ‘mums’ simultaneously?
Made me wonder what goes through the head of those in such a scenario. Do they still grow up with a notion of what a traditional family is or once was? Do they have a feeling that others have something they don’t. That something or someone is missing??
More questions than answers, but it made me kinda sad to consider their plight
I’ve been around many children with two same sex parents.
Like all children, they have their issues with their parents.
But I have never met any who feel there is something missing.
It seems to me that if children are loved, cared for, made to feel safe; that they know someone, regardless of sex or gender, has their back, then they are OK.
At 70 years old I know many children, now adults, who grew up in traditional “Mom” and “Dad” families.
We are still working through the issues.
I’d have been happy with two cats raising me if I could have experienced some peace and quiet and a sense that I was a good, worthwhile person. It would have gone a long way.
But nobody’s perfect.
No, I’ve never met any children of same sex parents who feel sad at their plight.
I often wish for two cat parents lol. Not meaning to satirise your very good points 😉
Oh, I feel that! The main issue, as you say, is love and peace at home. And as for society, no coercion, let alone force, and no suppression. Live and let live.
traditional family isn’t that old/was not that common. a bit of a rose coloured dream that, and there are good reasons for people to rebel. just as with trans, a little more flexibility would have prevented this extreme scenario.
Off topic-
Stars of the ludicrously overblown “Stranger Things” are the latest celebs to be “at the centre” of concerns over “threats to safety” re: their support for Israel.
Raising happy, contented children is the most important function any parent can undertake.
Happy, curious and contented children grow into happy, contented and curious adults. And they pose a threat to the status quo, to the manipulators and profiteers.
Whether children are raised in their impressionable years by their Mother or Father is nowhere near as important as the quality of Love they are given.
Governments and corporations don’t want happy, contented, curious citizens. They want compliant consumers.
The laws are written to facilitate this lust for control and profits.
Tread carefully Ireland.
Thankfully it seems the Referenda will be No results. That doesn’t mean they won’t try again or just go ahead anyway by pretending it was a recommendation (or something equally specious).
If the WEF and supporters get their way, there will be no elections, let alone referenda. In the future, the world’s Artificial Dictator will tell us what to be happy about.
When you get over confident snorkrllingunderwater alone with a video camera in hd and takinh photos after the 1 hr video tape I surfaced from underwater video of this turle kind of snorkelling a bit….and I difn’t realise…that the tide was taking .e anf he turttle out…
I surfaced and could see 3 islands in the distance..as the tide in the Ocean was sweeping me away.
I thought Oh Shit.
I am a crap swimmer at the best of times and useless without my flipers..
The three islands looked the same to me… was alone..so I put my head down and swam as fast as I coul against the tide – cos the tide was taking me awat from my wife and kids and friends…
I never said a word when I got back tothe beeach….
No one had missed me
We unexpectedly came in to some money and I told my boss where we were going in about 6 weeks time – asking for the time off work.
We were doing computer stuff, I had absolutely no idea that he was also a diving instructor…
He said Next Thursday and Every Thursday Evening at 7 pm – bring your wife and your kids….Whilst we had all been snorkelling before…none of us had been scuba diving before,,,and my boss taught us how to to do it in New Malden swimming pool, before we went to the Maldives.
No Fear – Just don’t panic underwater
Our Kids were like Fish
Whilst most of the wokesters can’t understand , why occasionally websites like Off_G post what I write almost live, when my wife walks in from Screamlounge..mostly a bunch of musicians some of who’m went to The Brit School in South Croydon are now Playing Live in Sutton…Unless you went to Oldham how else are you going to learn to act, sing and play??
The Scousers – The Beatles..changed the World – The Rolling Stones -Support Act and even most of Hawkwind and Pink Floyd sre Still Alive and Doing it Again…planning new tours and writing new songs now – some approaching their 80’s
We did this with our too kids in Lanzarotte, when I was working so hard (45 looking 75). I looked like Grandad all white hair, holding my 7 years old daughters hand..I simply had to stop doing it – and pleaded with them to make me compulsory Redundant with Full Payment to pay off our mortgage
My wife and I went to the Abbey National…. I was 51 -Wife 47…
We had paid off our Mortgage
Our House Was Ours – We Should have gone dancing in The Streets and Did.
Still here Nana and Grandad and Kitten, and usually 3 Grandkids ansd sometimes the kids best friends. My son does most of the job of being Mum to his Children and his Mum (my wife)…
i just do not understand the point of view of the mothers children – just weekends now.
She has got the most beautiful lille baby girl…and she must be beginning to think….wel we all talk to her brothers and kiiten and we socialise teaching each other to crawl walk, and say more than cat….Grandad???
The Beatles – Yellow Submarine
We’re old hands at this sort of thing in California because of our system of Propositions, laws directly enacted by voters. Its getting to the point where you need a legal degree to unpick the wording assembled by professionals (its become an industry) so I like many people routinely vote “No” unless there’s a compelling reason otherwise.
A twist here is that a popular ruse is to amend our state constitution as part of the proposition. This makes it much more difficult to countermand in the legislature.
Kit, if You are Going to do Irish Women’s Day..why not do the Best. Her Death last year in South London was not suicde unlike her son’s. She was writing new stuff for new songs and maybe a new tour. She did not kill herself. But her death nearly killed me. I was so upset I nearly drank myself to death but thanfully threw up…and just drank water..By Friday morning, I asked my wife to dial 999 and she did. I didn’t want to die, I was just so upset…The ambulence men phoned ahead – we might save this on..SEPSIS…and I really was right next to Death, whilst Sinéad O’Connor is Dead
“Sinéad O’Connor – Nothing Compares 2 U (Official Music Video) [HD]”
https://youtu.be/0-EF60neguk
“Massive Attack – Special Cases “Sinéad O’Connor”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OQ31yNp6Nao
“They steal the real and sell you back the fake.”
you can’t steal the real…even i am still here, and getting better
Why is all this happening? Just a few years ago adults, supposed leaders of nations, were discussing, with a straight face, where people can go pee pee and poo poo depending on how they “identify”. Why has all this insanity enjoyed such unbridled support and promotion? This is insane.
Depop. It works in many ways.
Depop? Of who?
Us. The people.
Agreed. Every little helps to chip away at the population figures who’ll eventually be expected to live and work in sealed environments ‘safe’ from the raging planet outside.
it’s insidious and people do not see the whole picture.
The intolerance of the modern world is to say that nothing is acceptable and nothing can be tolerated.
The text in question might be interpreted narrowly, or it could be celebrated for its inherent goodness, and is that not the point in question?
Can they not say that texts written in the recent past need to be interpreted in a sympathetic manner by the courts, and that is the way to pay full respect to the founders of the Irish republic?
Emily,
since the woke take over (which has been incredibly successful – driving us all mad) we are totally drowned in shite)..who really gives a fuck if the best Australian Athlete playing Football.for Chelsea ans Australia.tells a white English Copper to Fuck Off and Three years later there maybe a court case about it next year???
“Can they not say that texts written in the recent past need to be interpreted in a sympathetic manner by the courts, and that is the way to pay full respect to the founders of the Irish republic?”
I do like Irish Girls. I can’t help it.
Not only innocent and Beautiful..
You say exactly what you think.
I have never felt so welcome, when my wife and daughter arrived at Dublin Airport dressed for Spain…and it was cold pouring with rain…
We tried to pay..he let us in out of the rain….
He says no no no – you are trying to pay far too much
He stopped his bus, and bought us a family ticket…
We were not expecting that.
We just found The Irish in Dublin incrtedibly nice
stereotypes of ” girls” ?!
When I did the Irish Independence Day Dublin Walk (to famous ‘revolutionary sites like the Central Post Office) the activists (and there were many) told me that Ireland/Eire only has a provisional government and is still ruled DIRECTLY by ‘The Crown.’
Make of it what you will.
Answers on a postcard please.
I’ve been living in Dublin 80 years and that’s the first time I’ve heard of it.
I had never heard it before, either. If anybody knows anything? I’m only a quarter Irish by descent, but this matters.
The original wording is egalitarian with the implicit mention of “mothers shall not be obliged by economic necessity to engage in labour to the neglect of their duties in the home.”
The new wording is parasitic upon women and children, hate speech against the family and a bizarre way of destroying women’s Human Rights and putting children at risk.
The more important question: why bother having laws at all since they are only enforced when it suits the state to do so?
Answer: To swat the oligarchy’s enemies.
We’re in a perverse situation, where if we abolished all laws there would be fewer crimes.
The new laws is perfect for human 2.0 (Women 2.0)
Strangely enough, there is a film which shows this new women (and having baby’s in the near future.
Worth the watch.
marge piercy wrote about this decades ago. but now seems to be taken in by the C narrative.
To what extent is the original article actually enforced? Because it would involve making all wages sufficient to raise a family, or compensating for those that are not.
There must be millions of little stinker thinkers in tanks, weasel word machines turning out this poisonous drivel day and night. Abstract logic for the artificial numb existence of soulless drones transitioning into meat robots.
Men will cheer on women having no protection. Women must be totally dependent on their so loving husbands who think women should have no rights in the first place. And also the neoliberal “free market” is everything a child needs.
Inter-sexual politics has successfully destroyed even a minimal maintenance of reproduction in Korea and Japan. The ideas are now spreading to China.
I didn’t know that there was such an article in any constitution that summon my thoughts by the time I was raising my children and working 10h a day having zero support from our state.
Yes, it’s a pity you were unaware of your rights when you needed financial and social support as a mother:
The government’s obligation as it stands, reads:
“The state recognises that by her life within the home, woman gives to the state a support without which the common good cannot be achieved. The state shall, therefore, endeavour to ensure that mothers shall not be obliged by economic necessity to engage in labour to the neglect of their duties in the home.”
A greater pity, that the Irish government is playing Woke Left instead of Real Left: asking people to dance around the meaning of words (what is a “mother”? what is a “child”?) and draw their attention away from the financial and social responsibility of the state “to ensure that mothers shall not be obliged by economic necessity to engage in labour to the neglect of their duties in the home.”.
I don’t live in Ireland and in my country there isn’t such an article in our constitution.
That’s good. Groups of humans spreading on earth were adapting to local environment socially, physically, intellectually, culturally…..
Well women who vote for this deserve what they get.
No they don’t. They deserve to learn to think and understand our globalist neo-liberal world like Kit Knightly.
Yeah, but do their children deserve it?
My wife and all the women she works with were against these referenda from the start, despite the pushing of it by almost all politicians, both government and opposition. I think that women’s votes were what really screwed up this blatant attempt at social engineering.