War in the New Normal – slaughtering your Proles for convenience, fun & profit
Catte Black
There was a discussion on OffG recently under the latest column by CJ Hopkins, about whether the current spate of wars were “real”.
Opinion was sharply divided. Binary you might say.
On reading it the thing that occurred to me was that before you can have a meaningful discussion about whether or not a thing is “real” you need to agree upon a definition for that word.
What is “real” in terms of war?
Our standard definition can be summed up as a situation in which the oligarchies/monarchies of two or more nation states decide to compete over some land or resources by sending in proxy armies of obedient proles to fight and die for their masters. After an acceptable interval the side whose proles have died in the smallest numbers or who have held on to the most strategic territory will be deemed to have “won” and peace can be allowed to return, while the victorious oligarchs/monarchs enjoy their spoils.
That’s the classic definition of “real” war as we are encouraged to understand it, and most wars of the past are parsed within this understanding. There will usually be additional, often spurious, moral binaries applied to the combatants, but this doesn’t change the basic concept of what “real” war entails.
But what if things get a little more fuzzy?
What if oligarchies and monarchies see other advantages in war beyond a basic means of increasing land or riches?
What if Oligarchy A has some social unrest going on at home and wants to get those troublemakers out of their hair, so they decide to invade the territory of Oligarchy B and just muss things up for a while until the social unrest is forgotten? Or what if it’s more complicated and Oligarchy A has the social unrest going on but also really wants to get their hands on some of Oligarchy B’s lovely natural resources.
Is the ensuing conflict a “real” war?
Probably most of us would say yes. Wars are messy things fueled by many interlocking motives and pressures.
But then what if Oligarchy B also sees the advantage of starting this war – because they too have social unrest at home etc etc?
So both sides invent an essentially bogus casus belli against the other and launch their armies into the killing zone.
Is this war of mutual oligarchical benefit still “real”?
And how about if the oligarchies become a little more sophisticated in their appreciation of class interests and have a chat about their mutual benefit and agree that, while a war is rather useful to them right now, they don’t want to get silly about it and risk things getting out of hand, so they will have some ground rules that ensure only the expendable die and all the most important infrastructure and all oligarchical fortunes are left intact.
Are we still justified in defining any ensuing bloodbath as a “real” war?
The deaths are certainly real.
But death isn’t the definition of war.
Conflict is the definition of war.
Two oligarchies mutually agreeing to send their proles to kill each other for mutually beneficial reasons is arguably the very opposite of conflict.
So – would this be “real” war – or mass murder for convenience?
I don’t think this is a semantic or trivial question.
Back in 1948 Eric Blair already had a more sophisticated understanding of the applications of war than most of us seem to have today. In 1984 he defines a world in which the ruling elites of the three major power blocks understand the mutual benefit of a forever war that
– cements the power structure
– consumes resources and creates (or excuses) perpetual shortages
– creates binary thinking and loyalty to the system.
He is well aware that this forever war is actually vertical not horizontal – a global war of the global elites against their own populations –
In the past, the ruling groups of all countries, although they might recognize their common interest and therefore limit the destructiveness of war, did fight against one another, and the victor always plundered the vanquished.
In our own day they are not fighting against one another at all. The war is waged by each ruling group against its own subjects, and the object of the war is not to make or prevent conquests of territory, but to keep the structure of society intact…” George Orwell, 1984
And of course it’s a corollary that the stability of all of the power blocks depend upon no one realizing or acknowledging this.
Is the war in 1984 “real”?
Real rocket bombs drop on real people (the proles mostly). Real blood is spilled in the streets. Beyond that, neither Winston, nor the reader, knows. Are the announced victories real? Do the claimed battles happen? Julia, in the novel, thinks not.
In some ways she was far more acute than Winston, and far less susceptible to Party propaganda. Once when he happened in some connection to mention the war against Eurasia, she startled him by saying casually that in her opinion the war was not happening. The rocket bombs which fell daily on London were probably fired by the Government of Oceania itself, “just to keep people frightened.” This was an idea that had literally never occurred to him.” George Orwell, 1984
Is Julia correct? We don’t know and ultimately perhaps it doesn’t matter. Whether the battles are mere narrative or whether real proles are sent to fight each other and die, behind the fabricated concept of conflict there lies an unacknowledged mutual benefit contract –
and this makes the “war” a lie at its very heart.
The foundational lie that permits the tyrannies of Oceania, Eastasia and Eurasia to maintain themselves in equilibrium.
How far are we today from Eric Blair’s definition of war?
I think this is one of the major questions of our time. Because “war” is very much de rigeur right now, with the mainstream and most of the alt media.
We are told to pick a side and that the divide is simple – between right and wrong, good or evil.
But oh look – ALL the sides we get to pick from are on the X-axis. And NONE of the popular narratives look much beyond the classic concept of what war is or can represent. Nation A versus Nation B. One good, one bad. Simple binary. End of.
Even suggesting we look beyond the A versus B story is derided as “anti-[insert preferred term here] propaganda.
Even pointing out the obvious signs of continued cooperation and mutual benefit between these “sides” is deemed outrageous, and inevitably you will be accused of being a “CIA troll” or a “Putin bot” by people who seem genuinely unable to disentangle their thinking from the binary.
Is this enough?
Post-covid and what it told us about how closely our ruling classes really work together behind the scenes, is this really enough?
Are we just going to ignore the fact that right when the pandemic narrative was failing along came the first of a series of wars that miraculously picked up every aspect of that failing narrative and repurposed it?
I mean if Oligarchy A and Oligarchy B can mutually agree to lie about a pandemic and murder their own populations as a result in pursuance of their own interests, why do we balk at considering they might have started a war, or a series of wars and be murdering each other’s populations for the same reason?
But no, since 2022 your chosen psychopathic gangsters get a total reprieve from interrogation don’t they.
In times of war the baddies bayonet babies and the goodies rescue kittens.
And YOU are always on the side of the angels
Everyone knows that.
Question this comforting reality and you get an avalanche of indignation and assumed moral outrage.
What, are you saying bayoneting babies is ok?
Do you actually want more kittens to die?
But you see, I think we are actively helping to promote the continuation of war by refusing to interrogate its potential motives beyond the superficial.
If all you do is purchase one of those comfortable simplistic narratives and consume it, regurgitate it, I suggest you have little right to deplore the loss of life. In fact you are potentially actively promoting the continuation of violent death by reinforcing the narrative that justifies it.
Of course Oligarchy A and Oligarchy B both want you to do that. They want you to wave a flag (either flag, they don’t mind which), and they expend a lot of money and effort on creating propaganda on multiple levels to persuade you to do that.
They want you to buy their definition of war as a horizontal conflict and nothing else.
They want you to look at the killers but not at who put the weapons in their hands.
They want to you to weep over the slaughter but never ask why it’s being televised for you.
They want you to watch those videos of anonymous tanks being exploded or drones taking out unnamed persons in unidentified locations, but they don’t want you to ask who pays the production teams to put out this endless stream of war porn complete with action-movie sound tracks.
They don’t want you to think about the Y-axis. They don’t want you to remember Eric Blair’s definition of war.
They certainly don’t want you to see war as a mutual agreement between ruling elites to slaughter their proles for convenience, entertainment and profit.
I mean once enough of you start seeing it that way, you might get up and leave the movie theater before the show even ends.
And start remembering yesterday. And looking at the bigger picture. And thinking your own thoughts.
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Rage, rage, rage against the war machine!
Yeah, whatever . . .
https://rageagainstwar.com
https://www.lp.org/rage-against-the-war-machine
The epitome of fake!
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The main weakness with the anti-communists like Trevor Loudon is that they miss the link with the City of London; i.e. that Communism and Fascism was created and is controlled by the MRC. Orwell also missed this link. However, JFK seemed to get it right. Another one is the suggestion that the people on the “right” like Ron Paul have somehow fallen for Russian propaganda. To me, it’s far more likely that these people have always been sleeper assets of the MRC and have simply been activated. — Conservative Patriots are Falling for Russian Propaganda Counterpunch With Trevor Loudon Mar 15, 2023 Conservative patriots are getting swept up in Russian propaganda. The most prominent display was an anti-Ukraine war rally held in Washington, D.C., on February 19th. The event featured prominent conservative patriots and constitutional libertarians right alongside pro-Putin communists. The rally was a Russian propaganda event organized by the… Read more »
Since C19 I’ve yet to see one article that considers the fact that the majority of humanity are functioning from non reality the majority of the time (insanity). Nobody confronts this directly. How I see it is that humanity was insane pre 2020 and you could sense this as if it were an invisible gas and C19 was the match – boom, the insanity took on a new form. Before then routines and society concealed the madness. Without the insanity being present in the first place C19 and everything that came with it would not had manifested. “That in you which recognizes madness as madness (even if it is your own) is sanity, is the arising awareness, is the end of insanity.” ‘’When you complain, you make yourself into a victim. When you speak out, you are in your power. So change the situation by taking action or by speaking out… Read more »
What a surprise, Russel Brand is shilling for Putin; i.e. Kissinger!
Statement @3:10 – I didn’t get passed 4:00
https://rumble.com/v4qvse0-liar-liar-man-on-fire-media-misrepresents-fire-protestors-actions-stay-free.html
Apr 22, 2024
Here We Go AGAIN! Congress AGREE To Send BILLIONS To Fuel Foreign WARS – Stay Free #350
The “War” is real for those in thrall to the mutually antipathetic mass formation psychoses.
The “War” is fake for those mutually symbiotic oligarchs who instigate the mutually antipathetic mass formation psychoses.
These are the chess pieces on the 4D chessboard that move the other pieces, the black and white. King, queen, castle, bishop, knight… they are all pawns, Grey Pawns, to these pieces on a higher octave.
“…We are governed, our minds are moulded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of.”
Louis Bernays
Nearly all of us have been unwitting Deep State functionaries – useful idiots – to varying degrees at some point in our lives.
Who are the useful idiots useful for?
The men we have never heard of, the eminences grise, the puppet-masters of the grey zone.
And the White Knight is talking backwards…i: Camelot has Fallen
https://hughboone.substack.com/p/covax-through-the-looking-glass-part-4f0
“Greetings… This is the Secretary of War At the State Department of the United States… We have a problem The companies want something done About this sluggish world economic situation… Profits have been running more than a little thin lately And we, we need to stimulate some growth… Now, we know that there’s an alarmingly high number Of young people roaming around in your country With nothing to do but stir up trouble for the police And damage private property It doesn’t look like they’ll ever get a job… It’s about time we did something Constructive with these people… We’ve got thousands of ’em here, too They’re crawling all over… The companies think it’s time we all sit down Have a serious get-together, and start another war… The President? He loves the idea! All those missiles streaming overhead to and fro… Napalm… People running down the road, skin on fire… Read more »
It is difficult to know what is actually real anymore. I don’t bother reading even the alternate news anymore. I used to love Robin Monotti’s telegram channel but it is almost entirely dedicated to the Palestine/Israel conflict now and him waxing lyrical over the latest student protests in America. People getting so emotional about somewhere so distant where they can’t actually be sure what is happening or have any real impact on the outcome. We’ve been here before with the vietnam war and that was at a time of a much stronger working class movement but it was completely destroyed by the concerted efforts of the deep state and all those that went on those marches subsumed into the hippy dippy middle class culture that eventually turned into a property frenzie, idealism long gone and swapped for a second home in the country while the mass faced ever deteriorating working… Read more »
What happened to the edit function?
Occasionally it allows me into the edit screen, but doesn’t let me save!
I had the same problem too.
The Ctrl+F test: Pompeo, Kissinger and Brzezinski. Applied to: https://peakprosperity.com/dave-collums-year-in-review-the-war-in-ukraine-epilogue Dave Collum’s Year in Review – The War in Ukraine – Epilogue This is the War in Ukraine and Conclusion sections of Dave Collum’s Year in Review (exactly as it appears in the full review). We are posting this as a means to have a conversation in the comments on this portion of Dave’s Year in Review. David Collum Dec 31, 2023 Peak Prosperity Publishing Note: This is the War in Ukraine and Conclusion sections of Dave Collum’s Year in Review (exactly as it appears in the full review). We are posting this as a means to have a conversation in the comments on this portion of Dave’s Year in Review. The War in Ukraine–Epilogue The Russians are dying. It’s the best money we’ve ever spent.1 ~ Lindsay Graham to Zelensky Lindsay is an unindicted criminal who is impossible to underestimate, but… Read more »
Saving Israel for last. A man with a plan!
https://qalerts.pub/?n=916
Somewhat effete dancing, but it goes with the IDF’s show of false bravado.As for Pompeo, is he going to be working for Trump if Trump wins the election,
It’s a team (Oligarchy C) led by Christian Zionists – notable members include Pompeo and Pence. It’s likely they conceived of it before finding Trump to play the role of POTUS. Most of what we see is theatrics – e.g. the “split” between Trump and Pence. Some people were in on it from the start (e.g. Bill Barr); others have been offered a deal along the way and are now feeding lines into the media when required (e.g. Lindsey Graham); and some were duped and strung along. I suspect John Bolton is in the latter group, but it’s not possible to be certain. — Chris Miller (Acting Secretary of the DoD): Vice President, I’m going off script again, but I just want to personally thank you. We’ve been through some stuff; we’ve gone through some of the most complex military operations this country has ever conducted. And you’re steady hand… Read more »
There’s no such thing as Christian Zionism, it’s a total contradiction. It’s another byproduct of the protestant revolution as to interpret the Bible anyway one likes, which in turn has enabled the original enemies of Christianity to creep in and control the narrative from within.
‘Why should a machinist in Wichita or a schoolteacher in Des Moines care about what happens in the Donbas?’ They will probably see it as none of the US’s business, but what they don’t have foremost in their mind is that the US is an empire through and through with plundering economic goals across the world, which have nothing to do with the United States as a supposedly democratic and sovereign country,
The United States is the only effective resistance to The Monolithic & Ruthless Conspiracy (MRC) – i.e. Oligarchy A – a.k.a the New World Order; the Multipolar World Order; Kissinger & Associates; the City of London Empire; the Central Banking Cartel; the WEF; etc. Two of the MRC’s core projects (Climate Alarmism and Global Health) die when Trump takes the US out of the climate agreements and the WHO. Another MRC project (Belt & Road) died on the roads to Kyiv and Odesa. Hence, Kissinger conceding defeat to “Pax Americana”. In order to make the Ukraine victory stick, the Christian Zionists (Oligarchy C) formed an alliance with the Atlanticists (Oligarchy B) – and with multiple nations and regional powers (e.g. the Turkic Council). Hence, the various moves to align with Nato. A credible theory would be that the Atlanticists (e.g. Zbigniew Brzezinski) planned the whole thing – and Putin walked… Read more »
A Smooth Transition
Mike Pompeo – Nov 10, 2020
They’ve always considered us food for worms.
There are no angels in war, no left or right, right or wrong: only interests and power. But the pattern of history shows that power is an illusion: no one holds on to it forever. And every empire in history has eventually faced the war it was trying to avoid; today everyone wants to avoid WWIII; therefore, nuclear Armageddon is the fate that awaits mankind. Unless world leaders grasp this simple syllogism humanity will perish. But that message is not getting through. I explore this theme in my latest book The Doomsday Syllogism.
https://www.candlinandmynard.com/doomsday.html
I just love how underneath this article about how we have to get our heads out of the horizontal war delusion, there’s a bunch of boomers posting stale old crap about the horizontal war!
Guys – wake up! Russia-Ukraine is just another phony wrestling match. They kill each other’s proles to keep us all distracted and hating each other and – most important – thinking THEY hate each other. So we focus on the wrong issue. The more we buy it, the more we believe it, the more they make it happen.
Meanwhile they’re sneaking bug burgers and God knows what up on us.
I’ve been wondering a lot lately why proles don’t murder their leaders more often. So seldom. What’s up with that? And yet, we’re supposed to believe that suicide bombings (proles killing other proles) really happen? And every time there is an assassination, it turns out the CIA is behind it. I’m not suggesting we do it, necessarily, just wondering out loud.
I have frequently had the same thoughts myself. I do think at a deep hidden level, they make the populace submissive through fluoride in toothpaste, food and even music that lowers testosterone. The Deep State including CIA and other intelligence ‘services’ was responsible for ‘terrorism’ and the recent war on terror, sometimes perpetrating it and sometimes fomenting it. I grumble every time I go through the excessive airport security, which is basically due to domestic governmental terrorists. I totally agree that the proles would not inflict assassinations and terrorism on themselves. It’s part of the creating fear agenda, perpetuating the idea that the masses, by their nature, contain dangerous groups and individuals within them, which is laughable given that it is governments which hold the people they serve in contempt not elements among the populace.
Yeah, posthumous, me too. I wonder. But it’s the killers that gleefully kill. And most of us aren’t and won’t, even if we wonder about it.
War in the NEW New Normal:
Scott says Iran says to NATZO, You Aint Seen Nothing Yet.
https://youtu.be/8iHvUH7AVFc?si=TsZW_nJNV6wtKnXR
Long and detailed exposition of modern military hardware in a war (NATZO vs RoW) where the two sides ain’t “all in it together” — by Scott Ritter, weapons inspector.
You’re the president of the Scott Ritter fan club right? Does he ever talk about the Y-axis, as per the article?
Is that the same Scott Ritter who said months ago that Israel was finished and that Ukraine was finished, the Houtis, Hezbollah and Iran will wipe Israel out but but never do for some unknown reason etc etc. He is EX intelligence officer so how the phuck would he know?
‘We are told to pick a side and that the divide is simple – between right and wrong, good or evil.’ Isn’t the definition of a ‘prole’ someone who does what they are told, without thinking too much about whether that’s sensible or not? I saw firsthand how unquestioning compliance to ‘Putin’s the next Hitler’ and ‘Covid vaccines must be accepted’ manifested itself amongst ‘community organisations’. I neither think that Putin is akin to Hitler, nor did I have a single Covid vaccination. I’m not wealthy like oligarchs, but I don’t do what I’m told, so am I a prole? I can see similarities to a certain degree between Putin and Hitler. Putin thinks that the Russian people have a right to equal treatment under international law and he felt that the 1990s were a disgrace in how Russia’s transient economic weakness post Soviet collapse was feasted upon by Western… Read more »
Well said.
Many good points about Putin. However, the more I look into the Second World War, I find it harder to see Hitler’s motives as being imperial expansionism, more attack as being the best form of defence and an attrempt to correct the excesses of the punitive Versailles Treaty.
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Neo-marxist drivel!
Moscow Marge: Real, Fake, Non-Binary?
Russian version of Kate hopkins..?
The difference being that KH knows what’s going on and is not afraid to say it.
Moscow Marge still thinks she’s on the same side as Trump (see video). However, the penny seems to have dropped at Unz – except that they’re still in denial over the supposed, MAGA support for Putin!
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https://www.unz.com/mwhitney/trump-sold-out-his-base-to-shovel-95-billion-to-ukraine-and-israel
Trump Sold-Out His Base to Shovel $95 Billion to Ukraine and Israel
Mike Whitney – April 21, 2024
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I could care less about criticism: Marjorie Taylor Greene
Fox News
Apr 21, 2024
Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene, R-Ga., joins ‘Sunday Morning Futures’ to discuss why she did not file the motion to vacate Speaker Mike Johnson after they voted to send $95 billion to foreign aid
Why is it always women who show up a little guts? I never see men like her showing up a little bone. I can only recall Muhammed Ali.
She is right, and therefore she is smeared by every corrupt American in America and weak corrupt American cowards are in clear majority.
The problem is not how “War” is defined. It is the age old dynamic of “Who” gets to define the thing in the first place. Which is to say, where will the emphasis be placed by the definers.
My definition of “War” is quite non-binary yet eloquently simple: “War” is when people die en masse by other than natural means. The bullshit behind the “War” – the tit for tat leading up to it, the sabre rattling and flag waving, all the machinations by all the ass holes “behind” the “War” – is as totally irrelevant as yesterday’s fart.
“War” is death and destruction by artificial means. Period.
Out of all the OFF G’rs your my favorite Catte, There is under tone to saying the Isreal Palastine thing by taking sides you’ve lost.. Strange that argument same logic??? wasn’t used for covid when you was selling ”court cases ”the ask permission from the government to be able to demonstration in Freemason Trafalgar square and theses Doctors s that appeared magically everywhere on all the alt media podcasts circus circuit saying they was whistle blowers and given the prestige of authentication without questioning them or there background fake story. Same with Canada truckers convery or the tractors, or the fake trannies photos of them in schools. it seems selected this binary your selling Catt. You as a editor have never done that. Your staff also have ridiculed thoses who mentioned ‘Family names’ or ”Banking dynasty’s” 5G and chemtrails. (science name cloudseeding) birth certification. etc even the mention of the… Read more »
Succinct and spot on.. thanks for articulating what I have been thinking since Christmas 2002
Warfare as Lawfare:
“Trump’s legal bills drain millions more from his political committees” — Headline in U$ paper.
The Dimocrats boast about their larger war chest but Public Opinion is turning against them because PO now sees Trump as the Little Guy.
“They [the ruling classes] certainly don’t want you to see war as a mutual agreement between ruling elites to slaughter their proles for convenience, entertainment and profit.” But the proles can fight back in the Class War: the war between the people who want to work for the good of Society and of the World as a whole, on the one side, and the people who want to work for the good of themselves and their accomplices on the other. The earliest prophet of the Class War was a carpenter’s son: Rabbi Yeshuah of Nazareth; “It is easier to thread a cable through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to push through the gates of Heaven”. The 20th century was the century it which the class war crystallised socially into a war between nations. Specifically, between the Anglo Zio Capitalist nations (mainly UK, U$A and their… Read more »
So we are back to the old commie theme, the Proles against Capital exploiting our dear Yeshuah as the star in our class fight about more porridge in our bowl.
Proud to be American https://sonar21.com/proud-to-be-an-american-in-philadelphia/ .
The money? Taken from Oliver Twist’s political party and given to Ukraine and Gaza, and to make woke film about Oliver Twist’s suffering. https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/05/scene-philadelphia-leaders-send-billions-ukraine-video/
“Social Unrest” usually arises out of Insecurity
(unless you’re some sort of Religious Nutter)…
Insecurity is a driver of War. Through War Security is sought…
Modern states are National Security states – National Security
states conduct Wars to secure National Security…
Of course, there’s also Class War –
and, didnt Some Billionaire assert that his Class was winning !
War is as authentic as the people who fight for it.
The bigger war is the war on consciousness, subconscious.
Slave to the Rhythm.
No it isn’t. Two armies killing each other because they have been propagandized and scared into hating each other is not “authentic”, no matter how truly scared and hate-filled the combatants are. They’re fighting for a lie. They’re fighting to enrich the arms manufacturers on both sides and further agendas they don’t even know exist.
An Inconvenient Truth:
“It’s Convenience wot will be the downfall of hoomanity !” … (anon)
“Convenience is wattle make slaves of youse all !” … )anon)
The part
“But death isn’t the definition of war. Conflict is the definition of war.”
Is a really excellent bullet point and it is unfortunate that this was not in popular awareness during the “muh real geo politics analysis” which re surfaced to enable post Covid.
There is no post Covid
We were shown that every institution above a 5 man membership on the planet in on the plan against the general population it’s just a question of what department they belong to.
“Slaughtering your Proles for convenience, fun & profit.”
It’s a new “game show” appearing on MSNBC following spook Morning Joe .
Zionist and US imperialist criminals are about to grab the natural gas off shore Gaza
Sure, though Israel still somehow managed to give back all the oil and natural gas in the Sinai Peninsula to Egypt for free.
Maybe Israel does actually want peace beyond petty resource conflicts?
As the Arabic saying goes ‘only the scorpion gives for free.’
I remember when we all knew that war was a “mutual agreement between ruling elites to slaughter their proles for convenience, entertainment and profit”, but somehow we have all forgotten it and now we are once again believing the nonsense of “moral wars” which drove young men to sacrifice themselves in generations gone by. We are going backwards not forwards. There are no good leaders. Only exploiters. Please let’s recall that again.
government is the opiate of the masters
Of course, there’s a lot of fakery in there too, but how many bombs do you need to accept that much of it is real?
https://funker530.com
Catte isn’t talking about fakery. Read the article
“Fake” is the flipside of “real”. The discussion referred to is about whether the war(s) are real or fake. So I suggest you read the article, you fucking retard!
I suggest you look more closely at the phrases used in this article eg ” ..who pays the production teams..”
“If all you do is purchase one of those comfortable simplistic narratives and consume it, regurgitate it, I suggest you have little right to deplore the loss of life. In fact you are potentially actively promoting the continuation of violent death by reinforcing the narrative that justifies it.”
Brilliant! So very true.
I think using the term “Oligarchy” distracts from your thesis.
Appearances suggest that there are realities in which “governments” act exclusively in the interests of the Oligarchy and other realities in which the Oligarchy has been placed under control by the “government”.
Would Power Elite A and Power Élite B better serve your argument?
Oligarchy may be a shorthand but I take your point. There are oligarchs that are created by government, or rather military industrial complex or intelligence agencies like Mark Zuckerberg or Elon Musk (Big Tech in general) to serve its interests. Then there are oligarchs that are more like secret agents who carry out activities that government doesn’t want its fingerprints on like say, a George Soros (color revolution expert). Then there are the oligarchs who instruct the government, who direct policy. These oligarch are the “power elite” (C. Wright Mills), these stick to the shadows, we may or may not know who they are.
Some quotes about war from a movie that we are all in agreement that it was excellent Conrad ‘Connie’ Brean : You watched the Gulf War, what do you see day after day? The one smart bomb falling down the chimney. The truth? I was in the building when we shot that shot – we shot in a studio, Falls Church, Virginia. One-tenth scale model of a building. Stanley Motss : Is that true? Conrad ‘Connie’ Brean : How the fuck do we know? You take my point? —- Conrad ‘Connie’ Brean : Well, if Kissinger can win the Peace Prize, I wouldn’t be surprised to wake up and find out I’d won the Preakness. Stanley Motss : Well, yes but, our guy DID bring peace. Conrad ‘Connie’ Brean : Yeah, but there wasn’t a war. Stanley Motss : All the greater accomplishment. —- Stanley Motss : Look at that!… Read more »
People watch the movie, and think that’s a great movie and still miss the message of the “revelation of the method”
Hollyweird and the music business both constantly bombard us with clues and truth bombs “hidden in plain sight”.
The powers-that-shouldn’t-be are cooperating in pushing 4IR. But simultaneously, there are irreconcilable differences among them, primarily over how the loot extracted from the world’s population and from the planet is to be divided. And when that loot, surplus value, is shrinking (especially given growing shortages of supplies of energy and critical raw materials, and spreading catastrophic ecological destruction), while capital accumulation needs continue to grow exponentially, very real conflicts will grew between the various global ruling factions. Pretending that “it’s all just for show” is just as myopic as getting taken in by the propaganda narratives.
Basically correct, with the exception of “pushing” the 4IR. 4IR is happening regardless of the powers that be. It’s where humanity is developing. They’re simply fighting to have the upper hand over what’s coming because that will determine the global hegemon in the world that emerges from the current turmoil. If there is a hegemon – maybe that multipolar world is a thing after all. The way it looks is that the West will lose its privileged status, mainly on account of its decadent weakness, hubris, and perceived exceptionalism, while the East is on the rise, working hard to stop the centuries of subjugation.
As far as the conflict, the biggest danger is that the US will resort to nukes to maintain its hegemonic status.
This is the official narrative you are promoting I notice. As is Jeffrey. The elites want us to buy what you are selling, that resources are depleted and we all have no choice but to live with deprivation and wars over the dwindling commodities, or face even worse. This is how they will justify the neo-feudal age they want to bring along. They will use people like you to tell us it’s inevitable and better than being nuked or whatever.
There is literally no evidence for the shortages you claim as a fact. No evidence for “peak oil” or any of the rest of that environmental crap they have been spoon feeding us since the 70s. It was all soft sell prep for THIS. So we go quietly into slavery, believing it’s our only hope.
Your allegation that your interlocutor is promoting or selling something pretty much rule out a meaningful exchange because you a priori assume an obdurately hostile stand, but I’ll reply to your rant nevertheless, essentially for the sake of more objective an audience. The depletion of resources is a simple fact, the use thereof amounts to depletion. Your linguistically challenged self was probably alluding to exhaustion, which has not occurred in regard to pretty much any resources, but one day will. Despite your denial, the Earth is a CLOSED SYSTEM in which limited amounts of shit are available. That includes the materials present on this planet and deposits of energy. The only thing that we continue to receive from the outside is solar energy and the energy that can be derived from the Moon’s gravity. That’s REALITY. There is plenty of evidence that Peak Oil has in fact happened. It didn’t… Read more »
CLOSED SYSTEM The sort of ‘closed system’ that spontaneously gave birth to life – swans, herrings, giraffes, mountain bike-riding apes – out of a puddle? I’m not sure whether we’re armed with all the facts there, at least to this Admin’s eyes. For 2 billion years earth sits, barren, then spontaneously decides to skip the principle of entropy and start organising base chemicals into complex carbohydrates? Same principle with fossil fuels. It’s kinda strange that they’ve waited for millions of years in this high energy state, without reaching a state of equilibrium, without degrading over time. The whole concept of pressing long-dead plankton on a geological timescale (no less) to create concentrated oases of high energy, highly volatile matter in pockets below the earth, seems on some level to defy the second law of thermodynamics in a layman, common sense kinda way, and sometimes you wonder whether scientists shouldn’t stick… Read more »
Show us the evidence of the world’s ample oil supplies, or essential raw materials, Please. NUMBERS!
The Earth came from the Sun, and we came from the Earth.
And? Show us the molten plasma on the surface of the earth. 😂
Presto! Plasma:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plasma_(physics)
Fuck! That’s fuckin’ brilliant!
The conflict will not be resolved peacefully, no empire has ever given up its hegemony. And this is about individual capitalist interests, or rather interests of capitalist cliques. It has nothing to do with East vs West As the spoils shrink, the battles will get only worse, and this while the ecosystem’s ability to support human life and the supplies needed to keep industrial civilization shrink ever more.
I’m not surprised at all the downvotes we’ve drawn. People on this forum are for the most part living in a digital illusion, believing the world has infinite resources, as after all they’ve never known what it’s like to live in an age of shrinking supplies. The worse things will get, the more the digitized disembodied people will cling to their illusions.
So east-west oligarchies are simultaneously all in it together AND fighting to the death? Except not their deaths, only ours. The oligarchs aren’t fighting and killing each other are they? That’s the point. Modern war is just another method of social/population control. Like Orwell says the elites of world realize they have more in common with each other than with their own 99%-ers. It’s in their mutual interest to find ways of controlling all of us. What is better for that than war?
As long as they have enough loot to divide, they cooperate. When they start running short, the long knives (and nukes) come out.
Regarding your first paragraph, here is a heretical thought. In case that things really fall apart and civilization collapses, kinda along the lines of the top article at https://un-denial.com/, which is a distinct possibility, having a structure along the lines of the strict measures imposed during CONVID, if not much stricter, might be the better alternative to bandits roving all over the place, stealing whatever’s left, killing anybody who refuses to give up their shit, a scenario that is quite likely to happen. As to the ignorance of the resources predicament, people – if they bother to use their brain at all – generally consider reality through the prism of politics, societal issues, financial economics. Some consider ecology, usually in a misguided way, like recycling plastic bottles and driving electric car, the usual bullshit suspects. Energy and resources are generally totally disregarded in terms of their availability, at best people… Read more »
Its happening already, to the rich houses and the Mexican gangs they are being targeted by.
Its not good news so you wont hear about it.
4IR is not just “happening.” It is being implemented by people with names and faces.
And seriously, when the energy/resources/ecological collapse happens, no one will have options. You too are stuck in the illusion that things can just go on and on.
Cost of energy from war verse supply at the pump are two different animals.
They compete and one in the end, has always won out, and it’s not the consumer.
Who are these “digitized disembodied people” that you have written about on more than one occassion?
Do you know what people are doing in the real world who read Off-G?
The most urgent matter is the forthcoming recession/depression which will be difficult to navigate for many.
Do you have a Plan B for that event?
I am sure some who read Off-G do.
Whether resources are running out or not is immaterial to me at this stage. It will not happen overnight.
Regardless, we are in the early stages of a commodity bull market super cycle which will see the price of raw materials and foodstuffs rise dramatically, at least for a few years. That alone will cause demand destruction in some commodities. Prices will then collapse due to deflation, assuming the scarcity factor does not take over.
Does the article say it’s all for show? I think it’s asking a question about the unspoken motives behind state-sponsored killing.
Basically these elites have the sense to cooperate about fake climate change, fake pandemics, 4IR etc, and yet fight strangely inconclusive wars that coincidentally end up promoting all the above agendas. What does that mean? Refusing to look at this aspect or just brushing it aside like you do seems crazy to me.
You apparently believe they can keep this up forever. Physical reality says otherwise. They will cooperate till they can”t, just like in 1914 and 1939.
Isn’t it implicit in 4IR, almost by definition, that these parameters are changing? Seems like people wanna discuss 4IR in terms of 3IR, using yesterday’s terminology.
Read the WEF’s bit on 4IR if you wanna reminder about how today’s elites view it in terms of unprecedented interconnectivity and in terms of ‘governance’, and remind yourself how this dovetailed so neatly with the covid, let’s call it, ‘experiment’.
War is conflict. But what is real? If we – meaning human beings – perceive a world through a self-conflicted identity – we can be said to be at war with – or at least within our self. And as such with ‘othered ‘self. Polarised exclusions operate as if separate poles of conflicting interests, but are they not complementary polarities of a whole – perceived by a selective focus of identification that necessarily rejects BY selection? This may seem all too abstract when babies are being killed – or any other emotionally extreme provocation, but at root the issue I see is of the decision to refuse or reject a Common Source-Nature – or indeed Father – as vernacular once had it. This is also to accept of refuse that your mind is one, and not legion – despite all experience to the contrary. War is a terrible human affliction.… Read more »
While pretty much everything the author proposes or alludes to is basically correct, the problem with the text is that it implicitly presupposes that such goings-on as war have a single, clear-cut cause, objective, strategy, and result. Like everything else, they don’t. They’re complex occurrences that involve stuff at many levels, the develop as they progress, so on so forth. It’s like that with everything else, incidentally, one needs to step back and regard things from the broadest possible perspective. The interstate conflicts we’re witnessing, as well as the economic, social, and cultural turmoil that’s predominantly taking place within the occidental world, have a few common denominators. Beginning of the end of cheap energy Internal social and cultural collapse following the ‘victory’ of capitalism over communism, loss of raison d’etre, hypertrophied consumerism on steroids, entitlement, procrastination, exceptionalism Loss of western hegemony vs. rise of eastern power, due to various factors,… Read more »
BTW, here is an interesting analysis. Not 100% sure about the logic behind it, but …
https://www.fleet.cz/files/FridayEdition240405x.pdf
This is all fair enough but there is also the inner causation of accepted identification: People act in self-interest as they perceive it in the moment of their decisions – or in the case of conditioned habit – it terms of their acceptance of such habits. Self-may have a single clear-cut Cause – but if our mind interjects an externalised cause in terms of a past and future, or an inside and outside, then causes are identified with – or against, as a conflict of interests that then seeks some sort of unified ‘front’ under or by which to persist, operate or perhaps remain credible or tolerable. So yes there’s a plethora if not a pandemonium of ills that wont go back into the box, and a fragmentation of mind that All the king’s horses and all the king’s men can never put back together again. Yet I suggest that… Read more »
It seems to me that you’re vastly more preoccupied with what goes on in your and other people’s heads than what takes place in actual physical reality.
You can ponder all of what you’re saying till the end of time but what we’re talking here is some motherfucker who kicks you in the balls, smashes your face in, shoots a hole in your head, or drops a fucking nuke on your head.
In other words, there is both the abstract and the concrete, the tangible and the intangible. Guess it’s up to you to decide which one matters more, but me thinks that if somebody shoots your head off, nothing matters no more.
It is all about mindset, your reality is inverted. What’s actual physical reality when people’s perception of the world is driven by deception and manipulation?
I don’t know. Have somebody give you a hefty smack over the head. That might help on your path to realization. Worked with Newton and the apple that whacked his head, it might work with you too.
It should also be noted that energy is neither created nor destroyed within an isolated system, according to Newton.
I’m ok with your statement here, but not with your “complexity” speech above. Yes, reality is complex, but at the beginning of every complex matter we find always simple motives, factors or patterns. For example, here in my country we had a civil war in the eighties. And, of course, the war itself was complex and the consequences too. And what about the causes? Well, certainly there was not only one cause, but one stood out above them all clearly: the exploitation of the oligarchs over the working class, specially over the country men or peasants. This motive wasn’t at all complex to understand. But the paid “intellectuals” of the oligarchy, leaning on the “complexity” argument, always tried to cover up that motive. So, every time people argue that “this stuff is so complex that we can’t understand it at all” or “it’s so complex that we can’t barely understand… Read more »
I never said that stuff is too complex to understand and never implied that one shouldn’t try to get to the bottom of things.
My guess is that the real cause of problems is often some guy’s hangup from having a penis of inferior size, some guy’s lust after somebody else’s woman, stuff like that. Like that, people develop a complex of inferiority and compensate it through all sorts of monkey business, including wars in the case of the biggest assholes of them all.
Fight for resources comes right after the short dick and coveting the neighbor’s wife combo. And that’s what we’re witnessing right now. What’s happening basically boils down to who will control remaining resources in the forthcoming era. Everything else is secondary.
Dood, with all due respect, ask your programmer to make it a tad less obvious you’re a hyper-robotic creation.
That’s what I figured too.
If one digs down deeply into the causes of the G7-Russia war in Ukraine, unless one adopts a totally pacifist position, one must conclude that the G7 basically forced Russia into this war, its only alternative being to basically surrender its eventual national sovereignty and dissolution to the G7. The known details of the events leading up to the war indicate that Putin and Lavrov were both reasonable and willing to find a diplomatic solution. Then the question becomes, was this a script by the owners of both Russia and the G7 to make the war inevitable, where the G7 are the obvious villains and Russia only a light shade of gray, and where the leadership of Russia was fully well aware of the script and played along with it as in a crafted play? This possibility is not certain but also not outlandish. One need only look at some facts as Putin’s meteoritic… Read more »
Eric Blair fought in a very real war. Against Franco’s Fascism in the Spanish Civil War cf “Homage to Catalonia”. Taking a throat injury as a result.
I think he once said something to the effect that everything he’d ever written was written to oppose fascism.
So in that sense, he was always fighting
Well he and the other losers lost, and Franco won.
Thats the way it is, and thats the way it always has been, and thats the way it always will be, and thats why I will always be on the winner’s side!.
Oligarchy B: The Atlantic Council A Security Strategy for the Black Sea By Atlantic Council Task Force on Black Sea Security Report December 15, 2023 [See link for pdf] Timeline (first & last entry) December 27, 2022: Announcement of task force on Black Sea Security. December 15, 2023: Release of the final report from the task force by the Atlantic Council and distribution across the network. https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/in-depth-research-reports/report/a-security-strategy-for-the-black-sea In light of increased instability in the Black Sea region following Russia’s unprovoked war on Ukraine, the Scowcroft Center for Strategy and Security‘s Transatlantic Security Initiative, in partnership with the National School of Political and Administrative Studies (SNSPA), convened a task force of Atlantic Council experts focused on discussing and developing actionable recommendations for enhancing the security and stability of the geopolitically vital Black Sea region. This report outlines the strategic setting, regional challenges and threats, key planning assumptions, risk and risk mitigation,… Read more »
The vast majority of wars are started by the powerful and seldom by the ordinary people. However, the supposition in this article that all wars are Hollywood productions is to say the least silly!
That would be silly but that is not the suppostion of the article at all. Where did you get that idea?
“ The foundational lie that permits the tyrannies of Oceania, Eastasia and Eurasia to maintain themselves in equilibrium “
But that doesn’t equate to ‘all wars are a Hollywood production’ at all. I think the point t is that the wars are futile and fought by the working class on behalf of the rulers..
The hypothesis is that the wars are fraudulent in nature rather than being completely fake.
A Hollywood production is completely fake.
Really. Look at the quote more analytical my friend !
Wouldn’t it be a lovely idea to totally reverse whatever ‘narrative’ being trotted out for us by the Corp orate-demagogues and their money collectors, the politicians, and instead WE declared a ‘War on Government’ and the cherry-on-top, … a ‘War on TAXES’?
I’m damned certain it would scare the manure out of the tyrants who are basically self-appointed ‘politicians’ and their controllers. …
Wat Tyler thought along those lines. It didn’t end well.
That’s why they allow us enough to eat.
We’re a LOOOOONG way from revolution.
Easily fixed Catte.
We simply open a few highly corrupt/secretive banks and declare ourselves neutral.
It worked for Switzerland.
A good deal of the laundering is through the brazen major international banks, and through “off-shore” ones. In 2008, some of the banks would have failed if not for their special narco clients.
There is enough war against mother nature to keep humans busy for a long time.
The war on heat, the war on cold, the war on drugs, the war on poverty, the war on education, the war on hunger, ect…….
‘We like war.’
George Carlin had a knack of saying the quiet parts out loud. He nailed it so many times.
It seems in return, they nailed him for it.
One would be hard-pressed’ to describe the shameless futility of wars better than this skit. Quite brilliant …