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Menace on the Menu: The Financialisation of Farmland and the War on Food and Farming 

Colin Todhunter

Between 2008 and 2022, land prices nearly doubled throughout the world and tripled in Central-Eastern Europe. In the UK, an influx of investment from pension funds and private wealth contributed to a doubling of farmland prices from 2010-2015. Land prices in the US agricultural heartlands of Iowa quadrupled between 2002 and 2020.

Agricultural investment funds rose ten-fold between 2005 and 2018 and now regularly include farmland as a stand-alone asset class, with US investors having doubled their stakes in farmland since 2020.

Meanwhile, agricultural commodity traders are speculating on farmland through their own private equity subsidiaries, while new financial derivatives are allowing speculators to accrue land parcels and lease them back to struggling farmers, driving steep and sustained land price inflation.

Top-down ‘green grabs’ now account for 20% of large-scale land deals. Government pledges for land-based carbon removals alone add up to almost 1.2 billion hectares, equivalent to total global cropland. Carbon offset markets are expected to quadruple in the next seven years.

These are some of the findings published in the new report ‘Land Squeeze’ by the International Panel of Experts on Sustainable Food Systems (IPES), a non-profit thinktank headquartered in Brussels.

The report says that agricultural land is increasingly being turned into a financial asset at the expense of small- and medium-scale farming. The COVID-19 event and the conflict in Ukraine helped promote the ‘feed the world’ panic narrative, prompting agribusiness and investors to secure land for export commodity production and urging governments to deregulate land markets and adopt pro-investor policies.

However, despite sky-rocketing food prices, there was, according to the IPES in 2022, sufficient food and no risk of global food supply shortages. Despite the self-serving narrative pushed by big agribusiness and land investors, there has been no food shortage. The increased prices were due to speculation on food commodities, corporate profiteering and a heavy reliance on food imports.

At the same time, carbon and biodiversity offset markets are facilitating massive land transactions, bringing major polluters into land markets. The IPES notes that Shell has set aside more than $450 million for offsetting projects. Land is also being appropriated for biofuels and green energy production, including water-intensive ‘green hydrogen’ projects that pose risks to local food production.

In addition, much-needed agricultural land is being repurposed for extractive industries and mega-developments. For example, urbanisation and mega-infrastructure developments in Asia and Africa are claiming prime farmland.

According to the IPES report, between 2000 and 2030, up to 3.3 million hectares of the world’s farmland will have been swallowed up by expanding megacities.  Some 80% of land loss to urbanisation is occurring in Asia and Africa. In India, 1.5 million hectares are estimated to have been lost to urban growth between 1955 and1985, a further 800,000 hectares lost between 1985 and 2000, with steady ongoing losses to this day.

In a December 2016 paper on urban land expansion, it was projected that by 2030, globally, urban areas will have tripled in size, expanding into cropland. Around 60% of the world’s cropland lies on the outskirts of cities, and this land is, on average, twice as productive as land elsewhere on the globe.

This means that, as cities expand, millions of small-scale farmers are being displaced. These farmers produce the majority of food in developing countries and are key to global food security.

In their place, we are seeing the aggregation of land into large-scale farms and the spread of industrial agriculture and all it brings, including poor food and diets, illness, environmental devastation and the destruction of rural communities.

Funds tend to invest for between 10 and 15 years and can leave a trail of long-term environmental and social devastation and serve to undermine local and regional food security. Returns on investments trump any notions of healthy food, food security or human need.

The IPES notes that, globally, just 1% of the world’s largest farms now control 70% of the world’s farmland. These tend to be input-intensive, industrial-scale farms that the IPES says are straining resources, rapidly degrading farmland and further squeezing out smallholders. Moreover, agribusiness giants are pursuing monopolistic practices that drive up costs for farmers. These dynamics are creating systematic economic precarity for farmers, effectively forcing them to ‘get big or get out’.

Factor in land degradation, much of which is attributable to modern chemical-intensive farming practices, and we have a recipe for global food insecurity. In India, more than 70% of its arable land is affected by one or more forms of land degradation.

Also consider that the Indian government has sanctioned 50 solar parks, covering one million hectares in seven states. More than 74% of solar is on land of agricultural (67%) or natural ecosystem value (7%), causing potential food security and biodiversity conflicts. The IPES report notes that since 2017 there have been more than 15 instances of conflict in India linked with these projects.

Nettie Wiebe, from the IPES, says:

Imagine trying to start a farm when 70% of farmland is already controlled by just 1% of the largest farms – and when land prices have risen for 20 years in a row, like in North America. That’s the stark reality young farmers face today. Farmland is increasingly owned not by farmers but by speculators, pension funds and big agribusinesses looking to cash in. Land prices have skyrocketed so high it’s becoming impossible to make a living from farming. This is reaching a tipping point – small and medium scale farming is simply being squeezed out.”

Susan Chomba, also from the IPES, says that soaring land prices and land grabs are driving an unprecedented ‘land squeeze’, accelerating inequality and threatening food production. Moreover, the rush for dubious carbon projects, tree planting schemes, clean fuels and speculative buying is displacing not only small-scale farmers but also indigenous peoples.

Huge swathes of farmland are being acquired by governments and corporations for these ‘green grabs’, despite little evidence of climate benefits. This issue is particularly affecting Latin America and sub-Saharan Africa. The IPES notes that some 25 million hectares of land have been snapped up for carbon projects by a single ‘environmental asset creation’ firm, UAE-based ‘Blue Carbon’, through agreements with the governments of Kenya, Zimbabwe, Tanzania, Zambia and Liberia.

According to the IPES, the ‘land squeeze’ is leading to farmer revolts, rural exodus, rural poverty and food insecurity. With global farmland prices having doubled in 15 years, farmers, peasants, and indigenous peoples are losing their land (or forced to downsize), while young farmers face significant barriers in accessing land to farm.

The IPES calls for action to halt green grabs and remove speculative investment from land markets and establish integrated governance for land, environment and food systems to ensure a just transition. It also calls for support for collective ownership of farms and innovative financing for farmers to access land and wants a new deal for farmers and rural areas, and that includes a new generation of land and agrarian reforms.

Capital accumulation based on the financialisation of farmland accelerated after the 2008 financial crisis. However, financialisation of the economy in general goes back to the 1970s and 1980s when we witnessed a deceleration of economic growth based on industrial production. The response was to compensate via financial capitalism and financial intermediation.

Professor John Bellamy Foster, writing in 2010, not long after the 2008 crisis, states:

Lacking an outlet in production, capital took refuge in speculation in debt-leveraged finance (a bewildering array of options, futures, derivatives, swaps, etc.).”

The neoliberal agenda was the political expression of capital’s response to the stagnation and involved four mechanisms: the raiding and sacking of public budgets, the expansion of credit to consumers and governments to sustain spending and consumption, frenzied financial speculation and militarism.

With the engine of capital accumulation via production no longer firing on all cylinders, the emergency backup of financial expansion took over. Foster notes that we have seen a shift from real capital formation in many Western economies, which increases overall economic output, towards the appreciation of financial assets, which increases wealth claims but not output.

Farmland is being transformed from a resource supporting food production and rural stability to a financial asset and speculative commodity. An asset class where wealthy investors can park their capital to further profit from inflated asset prices. The net-zero green agenda also has to be seen in this context: when capital struggles to make sufficient profit, productive wealth (capital) over accumulates and depreciates; to avoid crisis, constant growth and fresh investment opportunities are required.

The IPES report notes that nearly 45% of all farmland investments in 2018, worth roughly $15 billion, came from pension funds and insurance companies. Based on workers’ contributions, pension fund investments in farmland are promoting land speculation, industrial agriculture and the interests of big agribusiness at the expense of smallholder farmers. Workers’ futures are tied to pension funds, which are supporting the growth and power of global finance and the degradation of other workers (in this case, cultivators).

Sofía Monsalve Suárez, from the IPES, states:

It’s time decision-makers stop shirking their responsibility and start to tackle rural decline. The financialisation and liberalisation of land markets is ruining livelihoods and threatening the right to food. Instead of opening the floodgates to speculative capital, governments need to take concrete steps to halt bogus ‘green grabs’ and invest in rural development, sustainable farming and community-led conservation.”

Unfortunately, ordinary people cannot depend on ‘decision-makers’ and governments to bring about such change. Ordinary people themselves have always had to struggle for change and improvements to their lives. Groups across the world are fighting back, and the IPES report provides some inspiring examples of their achievements.

Readers can read the IPES report here.

Colin Todhunter specialises in food, agriculture and development and is a research associate of the Centre for Research on Globalization in Montreal. You can read his two free books Food, Dependency and Dispossession: Resisting the New World Order and Sickening Profits: The Global Food System’s Poisoned Food and Toxic Wealth here.

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antonym
antonym
May 22, 2024 9:57 AM

“LAHORE: On the call of Pakistan Kisan Rabita Committee, farmers held protest demonstrations in 30 different districts of the country demanding start of the purchase of wheat from growers and arrest of the people involved in the wheat scandal.”

Pakistani Punjab, by far the most populous province of that country and thus having the most voters. Still the small elite and army rule the roost.

NickM
NickM
May 18, 2024 5:31 PM

“ill fares the land, to burgeoning ills a prey,
Where wealth accumulates and men decay” — Oliver Goldsmith, on the English Land Clearances.

NickM
NickM
May 18, 2024 5:28 PM

ln Palestine as in India, greenwashing is a cover for Land Theft.

https://youtu.be/-ENnjXNCQAg?si=qgmQyzXVdIU7ja3z

How Israeli charities collect money to plant trees to ethnically cleanse Palestinians from their land. They uproot age-old Mediterranean olive trees to replace them with quick growing Scandivegian fir.;

“Gloomy woods where no birds sing” — Poem about replacing native deciduous trees with imported fir in the English Lake District.

Straight Talk
Straight Talk
May 18, 2024 10:32 AM

No better example of this land grab agenda than in the Agri-war in Ukraine to impose patent-profit GMOs on the EU, leading to the massive farmers revolt. But the colonialization of farmland doesn’t appear to be succeeding. “Today, this Western-dictated order is a hyper-militarized disorder where illegal wars and clandestine conflicts are fomented to shore up hegemonic suzerainty and parasitism. As in antiquated times, the majority are treated like slaves who must pay tribute to their overlords or be put to the sword. Today, the tribute system is manifested by trade exploitation, unfair terms of exchange, and financial predation from the abuse of fiat currency, the U.S. dollar. There is no partnership or mutualism in such an “order” because the entire system is predicated on privilege and exploitation, underpinned by fascist notions of superiority and exceptionalism. U.S. President Joe Biden and virtually all Western political leaders have nothing to offer… Read more »

NickM
NickM
May 18, 2024 7:33 AM

https://time.com › 4851013 › china-greening-kubuqi-desert-land-restoration

The Greening of China’s Kubuqi Desert: What We Can Learn | TIME MAGAZINE:

< China’s Greening of the Vast Kubuqi Desert is a Model for Land Restoration Projects Everywhere. 8 minute read. >

NickM
NickM
May 18, 2024 7:17 AM

< globally, the 1% of largest farms now control 70% of the world’s farmland. These tend to be input-intensive, industrial-scale farms that are straining resources, rapidly degrading farmland and further squeezing out smallholders. Giant agribusiness pursues monopolistic practices that drive up costs. > Back to communal farmland. If China can do it, you can do it. Vote Communist at the next election. If Communism has been culturally “cancelled” in your ward, form a cell. “According to the FAO, China’s undernourished population rate fell from 16.2 percent in 2000 to 8.6 percent in 2017. This decline has taken place alongside a rise in annual per capita income from just $330 to $9,460 over the same period, and enabled China to reach United Nations targets aimed at cutting world hunger rates in half by 2015.” Year 2023 announced the “end of hunger” in China, and the lifting of 700 Million people into a new… Read more »

NickM
NickM
May 18, 2024 6:47 AM

“The IPES notes that some 25 million hectares of land have been snapped up for carbon projects by a single ‘environmental asset creation’ firm, UAE-based ‘Blue Carbon’, through agreements with the governments of Kenya, Zimbabwe, Tanzania, Zambia and Liberia.”

“Chains”, 20thC Book on African slavery
“Put on more chains.” — Title for a 2lstC Book on African autonomy.

red lester
red lester
May 18, 2024 1:47 PM
Reply to  NickM
Bryan
Bryan
May 17, 2024 9:28 AM

“What Lucretius says is self-evident: nihil posse creari de nihilo, out of nothing, nothing can be created…. Labour-power itself is, above all else, the material of nature transposed into a human organism.”—Marx (As quoted in Foster: “Dialectics of the Earth”.) Is that the “red-green” Marxist sociologist John Bellamy Foster, who along with Paul Burkett, are the ones who have done the most to restore Marx as an early, if not the earliest, environmental thinker? Utilising concepts such as “metabolic rift”, “exhaustion of the soil”, and above all “socioecologic metabolism” (Stoffwechsel). If so, I would suggest the article linked to is rather atypical of his oeuvre. Rather, with thinkers like Marx, Weber, and Durkheim—who they also revitalised as ecologically aware thinkers—and more recent thinkers like the Odums, Foster and Burkett want us to think of socioeconomic metabolism as “Unfair and Unequal Ecologic Exchange” in terms of “Net Imperial Appropriation” as “North/South… Read more »

Angry
Angry
May 17, 2024 6:39 AM

Geoengineering non stop===========💨💨💨✈️✈️✈️✈️✈️✈️

les online
les online
May 17, 2024 6:12 AM

According to the MSM Cuba is communist…
As Cuba has imposed a digital currency (CBDC)
that surely makes CBDC’s a Communist Plot, doesnt it ?
So why aint the MSM reporting “Cuba has imposed
a CBDC ?”

(I like the banknote meme on which is written, in bold
black texta “Remember – when the internet is down you
can rely on me.” …An idea i’d put into practice were our
banknotes not made from slippery, non-stick plastics.)…

https://covidsteria.substack.com/p/best-central-bank-digital-currency-cbdc-memes

Researcher
Researcher
May 17, 2024 3:22 PM
Reply to  les online

They can’t have the plebs figuring out all “nation” states are corporations, all centrally owned and controlled. This psyop of faux nation states perpetually at odds/war with each other (even though Castro was CIA) is the biggest fraud and the cryptocracy’s mostly highly guarded secret.

It’s all so the plebs obey “their” government. Think “their” government is protecting them. From fake viruses and orchestrated crises.

Literally nobody
Literally nobody
May 17, 2024 5:07 AM

Great essay, thanks.
I notice that the 15min city (prison/health camp) is being rebranded as a kind of ‘localism’ from certain influential types.
Almost certainly the majority of people will “go in” for it (you can imagine the narrative).

Also the essay reports on findings that “The increased prices were due to speculation on food commodities, corporate profiteering and a heavy reliance on food imports”.
I don’t doubt it, but in Australia the people/media blamed the high prices on ‘the cost of living crisis’.
That’s not a joke this is how people think these days

Johnny
Johnny
May 17, 2024 3:27 AM

Sorry Folks, I can’t ‘verify that I’m a human’, but if my aches and pains are anything to go by I ain’t no AI thingamajig either.

Keep up the good work.

Veri Tas
Veri Tas
May 17, 2024 12:25 AM

Like Whitney Webb said they want to tokenise everything in the world, including us!

Ross
Ross
May 27, 2024 5:24 PM
Reply to  Veri Tas

Ww is limited hangout/opportunist: comes from wealthy family; and fails to go far enough in her analyses (see AM ‘wrenchinthe gears.com’

Captain Birdheart
Captain Birdheart
May 16, 2024 9:59 PM

What a great series that Jeremy farm was.
I really do.
Kaleb was just fantastic !
Just goes to show.

Researcher
Researcher
May 17, 2024 2:38 AM

Lol. Did you see the episode with the fake TB tests? I’ve never seen anything so stupid. They inject cows with a poison concoction, wait to see if there’s swelling at the injection site (hello, you just injected toxic crap into its rump), where they measure with skin fold calipers later, to determine if there’s swelling, which they call a positive “case”. Total effing BS to send farmers broke, so more have to sell their land. The vets are literal morons. Like the allopaths.

Captain Birdheart
Captain Birdheart
May 18, 2024 7:41 PM
Reply to  Researcher

Yo !
Saw all the episodes (for free), no ads.
Certainly, it gives you a look at
farming, people.
not like the old days, but still.

Rolling Rock
Rolling Rock
May 16, 2024 9:43 PM

The rush is on to convert fiat paper currencies into tangible assets. The smart money knows that the time is fast approaching to dump soon to be worthless paper for safer and valuable tangible assets. The wealthiest individuals, banks, asset managers and fund managers understand the value of land. As stock markets near their cyclical highs and are close to topping out, there will be more liquidity moving into tangibles such as commodities and of course land. Land ownership has always been a marker of wealth. Monarchies and the aristocracy controlled the people by owning the land they farmed on or by treating them as indentured labour. Neo-feudalism is one of the aims of the Great Reset, so it is hardly surprising that smallholdings and small to medium-sized farms are being squeezed out by the corporate behemoths – those that are the preferred corporate partners (that form the private part) of… Read more »

Thom Crewz
Thom Crewz
May 16, 2024 10:55 PM
Reply to  Rolling Rock

The collapes in real time includes: Evict real farmers from the land. Hike food prices (More coming soon) Block out Mr. Blue sky, the sun and give the Proles GMO slop in place of natural foods.

That’s just my opinion but I’m open to my thoughts being challenged. Perhaps I’m suffering from a new disease spreading named the fucking obvious. No cure of that I’m afraid.

Thom Crewz
Thom Crewz
May 16, 2024 10:57 PM
Reply to  Thom Crewz

*It’s Collapse you moron, get a decent keyboard FFS*

George Mc
George Mc
May 16, 2024 8:54 PM

Off topic: https://www.holyrood.com/news/view,scottish-greens-expel-gender-rebels-deemed-threat-to-trans-members   Some members of the Scottish Green Party experienced a peculiar sensation between their ears when some of that long quiescent gray matter started to show actual signs of life and prompted them to arrive at the blasphemous conclusion that “sex is a biological reality”.   Inevitably, this led to the clockwork whirring of those mysterious processes that usher in the strictest disciplinary vengeance. And that familiar subjectless mode sprang into life:   “Signatories to the Scottish Green Declaration for Women’s Sex-Based Rights were accused of making the party less safe for trans and non-binary members in an official complaint.”   “Were accused”? By whom? Who knows? Who can tell? It is not for us mere mortals to ask such questions.   The Demonic Declaration stated what at one time (and not too long ago) would have been considered the bleeding obvious: “The eight-point statement stated that… Read more »

Erik Nielsen
Erik Nielsen
May 16, 2024 9:12 PM
Reply to  Ernie

I refuse to open these links and get sick and desentizised, but understand what you mean. Maria Zakharova hit bulls eye again.

At least we still have some decent people in high public key positions.
Taleban also sent a public statement of common sense, and Eric Clapton showed up to be a decent man – https://twitter.com/i/status/1694405777409057271 .

Hemlockfen
Hemlockfen
May 16, 2024 6:21 PM

Off topic, but not completely. Bumped into this guy on X today. A one man band presenting a glimmer of hope. Ivan Raiklin says has the goods on a lot of people involved in the cover up of a lot of things. It will be interesting, if he survives.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1791145321117921559

nima
nima
May 16, 2024 9:43 PM
Reply to  Hemlockfen

Still shilling Trump savior complex.
your worse than the believers of vaccines.

Hemlockfen
Hemlockfen
May 17, 2024 12:44 PM
Reply to  nima

You have no idea.

sandy
sandy
May 16, 2024 5:45 PM

The War on Humanity includes the finacialization of everything as the Western 1% attempts to keep it’s dollar empire controlling/extracting global transactions. The Oakland institute has documented the buy-up of Ukrainian farmland since 2014. The W1% wars fracture oppositional regions into corporate acquisition patchwork further disabling non-compliance the W Empire profit taking and LOCKDOWN of Humanity. This of course is just one underlying layer of the centralized totalitarianism they are attempting to install globally to save their ass. Michael Hudson explains the totality in (2) 40 minute segments here, starting with the Palestinian genocide as it is, along with Ukraine, Russia/China, a fractal of their larger geopolitical goals. Debt slavery, policy control, exclusive wealth extraction with no peon interference.

https://michael-hudson.com/2024/04/gaza-civilization-will-win-over-barbarism/

https://www.oaklandinstitute.org/sites/oaklandinstitute.org/files/Brief_CorporateTakeoverofUkraine_0.pdf

https://www.oaklandinstitute.org/new-report-take-over-ukrainian-agricultural-land

Clutching at straws
Clutching at straws
May 16, 2024 5:19 PM

I wonder what Geert will have to say when he’s elected as prime minister of Netherlands?

Thom Crewz
Thom Crewz
May 16, 2024 10:47 PM

The same as his predecessors if he knows what is good for him.

Erik Nielsen
Erik Nielsen
May 18, 2024 12:05 AM

Geert with the weird bare beard is your big hero?  😖 

Paul Watson
Paul Watson
May 16, 2024 3:54 PM

Nice if you can print money or borrow at zero % interest and the buy up all the assets.

Erik Nielsen
Erik Nielsen
May 16, 2024 5:18 PM
Reply to  Paul Watson

This is precisely what they do.
Not only do they buy up all the assets, they also buy up the legal system and MIC with fiat money to protect their extortion.

Erik Nielsen
Erik Nielsen
May 16, 2024 2:48 PM

Conclusion: The Financial world the Bankers, are causing troubles again; wars, land grabs, violence, price increases, usury loans, and speculation.

Simon
Simon
May 16, 2024 1:19 PM

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Your Cloudflare problems seems to be back yet again. This is an issue for anyone accessing your site using a VPN.

When you fix it this time, would it be possible to take the necessary steps to ensure that it doesn’t happen again please?

nima
nima
May 16, 2024 9:47 PM
Reply to  Simon

HEY YOU GUYS

Guys, couldnt help thinking of that scene from the goonies…..

Thom Crewz
Thom Crewz
May 16, 2024 10:43 PM
Reply to  Simon

It’s a test for the oncoming restriction to web access. But you can defeat this by simply offering up your soul along with a retina scan and fingerprints. All planned, all evil.

Thom Crewz
Thom Crewz
May 16, 2024 11:07 PM
Reply to  Thom Crewz

How will I watch my feature length Cat video’s in private with the impending restrictions  😭  😭 

Erik Nielsen
Erik Nielsen
May 16, 2024 11:04 PM
Reply to  Simon

I am using VIP. It always works. Free access to any entrance gate, to say anything you want, to do it any time. Respect!

mgeo
mgeo
May 17, 2024 7:13 AM
Reply to  Simon

Nothing to do with VPN. The site has displeased VIPs.

Sam - Admin2
Admin
Sam - Admin2
May 17, 2024 7:33 AM
Reply to  Simon

If you have any permanent solutions for that can you please PM us so we can patent it, please? Lol It’s a DDoS attack, which happens intermittently. It’ll go away, and when it does we’ll turn cloudflare security off. The cloudflare shields help to separate organic traffic (which is mostly real human users) from malicious, bandwidth-hogging traffic (which is usually a bot). It’s a temporary measure, one which we’ve employed countless times before to maintain a normal level of service for our users. It’s NOT a soft rollout of the cybersecurity prison state, at least, not one we are aware of! Yes, our dystopian overlords do work in mysterious ways, and maybe they’re playing a long game here (perhaps the tail is wagging the dog here, as someone pointed out), however I’d say the likelihood of this having much impact, beyond a few days of vague inconvenience, is very small.… Read more »

Simon
Simon
May 17, 2024 9:00 AM
Reply to  Sam - Admin2

I do have a solution, at least as far as my traffic is concerned. How do I PM you?

Sam - Admin2
Admin
Sam - Admin2
May 17, 2024 9:02 AM
Reply to  Simon

You can email [email protected] 🙂 A2

Simon
Simon
May 17, 2024 9:41 AM
Reply to  Sam - Admin2

Thanks. You may have to check your spam folder, some filters don’t seem to like my email address.

Erik Nielsen
Erik Nielsen
May 18, 2024 12:11 AM
Reply to  Sam - Admin2

It help a lot, thanks.

Human values
Human values
May 16, 2024 12:23 PM

prices, investment, funds, private wealth, asset, investors, stakes, commodity traders, speculating, private equity subsidiaries, financial derivatives, accrue, lease, price inflation, markets, financial asset, agribusiness, pro-investor policies, food prices, corporate profiteering, transactions, $450 million, offsetting projects, industries, returns on investments, costs, economic, owned, buying, corporations, capital accumulation, financialisation, financial crisis, financial capitalism, financial intermediation, debt-leveraged finance, budgets, credit, spending and consumption, profit, $15 billion, pension funds, insurance companies, speculative capital

What all this is about is MONEY. Nothing else.

Money isn’t real. It’s created by banks, private property businesses, money being debt, an evil system for profit.

Capitalism is a system of buying and selling for profit.

Erik Nielsen
Erik Nielsen
May 16, 2024 2:51 PM
Reply to  Human values

Physical gold and silver is the only real money, no matter what bs they try to tell you.

Human values
Human values
May 16, 2024 8:20 PM
Reply to  Erik Nielsen

You worship gold and silver as money – it makes no difference.

Mammon’s got a hold on you.

Researcher
Researcher
May 16, 2024 8:54 PM
Reply to  Erik Nielsen

All commodity markets and prices are rigged so there’s no real price discovery. Gold and silver are just a physical asset, a precious metal. Whether in coin, or bullion they functioned historically only as a means of exchange.

It doesn’t matter what the trading-exchange mechanism is, whether fiat, crypto, or gold, it’s the worldwide monopoly and control of it, the artificial scarcity, the theft, the inequity, deception, corruption, greed, the conspiracy and multiple frauds within the monetary and legal system that must be exposed, de-monopolized and exorcised.

Erik Nielsen
Erik Nielsen
May 16, 2024 9:33 PM
Reply to  Researcher

Both you and Human values are right. Its gold and silver as “exchange money”, not money itself.

But in these times where we go from paper and coin to high risk E-“money” in your computer, a physical value like gold and silver is more safe as saving.
They use it in high inflation countries like Turkey, India, China started, and US to some extent also customised the use as a spread of risk.

In US from 1929 until 1970 ordinary people could be jailed for possession of gold…………………..LOL. Remember Gaddafi and the gold dinar.

It tells how horny and extremely sensitive Big Finance is on physical gold.

Researcher
Researcher
May 17, 2024 1:53 PM
Reply to  Erik Nielsen

Agree, but I was responding to your initial comment. Silver is currently undervalued. It’s geological availability (gold to silver ratio) is around 17.5 times that of gold.

JP Morgan Chase rigs precious metal prices.

The controllers own all the exchanges, ratings agencies, finance houses, banks, market makers, major brokerages, title issuers, clearance houses etc., so can manipulate the price of any commodify or stock, even create false indices. Since HFT, it’s even worse.

Erik Nielsen
Erik Nielsen
May 18, 2024 1:20 AM
Reply to  Researcher

I know.
But physical gold in your pocket is the only thing not even JP Morgan, BIS and the British King can control.
They can control the fiat in your wallet, they can rig the metal prices, but they cant rig physical gold in your mattress.  😋  .

Researcher
Researcher
May 18, 2024 12:45 PM
Reply to  Erik Nielsen

You are incorrect, they can seize it. Ban its trading or hoarding. It’s been done before. Are you not aware?

Clutching at straws
Clutching at straws
May 16, 2024 10:38 PM
Reply to  Researcher

Expect a “discovery” of a vast reserve of previously undiscovered gold wiping out your reserve for a rainy day.

Erik Nielsen
Erik Nielsen
May 16, 2024 11:11 PM

This would be genocide. They cant do that. I have only two oz left. Bought them 5 years ago, up 70%.
From $1500 to nearly $2400…..each. Papa knows what he is doing.

Researcher
Researcher
May 17, 2024 1:51 PM

No. They could with BTC. Since it’s NSA.

Thom Crewz
Thom Crewz
May 16, 2024 11:09 PM
Reply to  Erik Nielsen

I can eat neither of the shiny metallic shit when the food plug is pulled.
Next suggestion?

Researcher
Researcher
May 17, 2024 2:03 AM
Reply to  Thom Crewz

I was thinking before you posted this comment, that in previous agrarian societies, grain or seed (the organic, nonGMO, non-hybrid, heirloom type) might have been a common means of exchange. It’s small. It’s light. It’s valuable.

Thom Crewz
Thom Crewz
May 17, 2024 9:09 AM
Reply to  Researcher

This is the way, but we face a huge hurdle in the form of weather manipulation and it’s ability to stop us growing almost anything edible.

Erik Nielsen
Erik Nielsen
May 18, 2024 1:23 AM
Reply to  Researcher

Its called barter. Exchange of consumables or goods over the door, without middleman.

Erik Nielsen
Erik Nielsen
May 18, 2024 1:27 AM
Reply to  Thom Crewz

No, but you could buy an air ticket to any place in the world for the first oz, and accommodate and live 1-3 month for the second oz in the new place.

Remember gold and silver bullion is legal tender, fully legal payment anywhere, approved by governments. Next silly question?

Thom Crewz
Thom Crewz
May 19, 2024 12:27 AM
Reply to  Erik Nielsen

Next silly question?

oz, 5 eyes country bound by the same Western elitist rules, no thanks.

Gold & Silver. (And you still can’t eat either) Keane, Hudson, Gammon and all the rest have been my staple for many years. You’re preaching to the already converted.

Next piece piece of useless advice?

Thom Crewz
Thom Crewz
May 19, 2024 12:33 AM
Reply to  Thom Crewz

oz you fool. Not Australia. (Will drink less in future when posting)

No Erik. I won’t be able to buy an air ticket with Gold once CBD’S are introduced. am I pissed or you?

Rolling Rock
Rolling Rock
May 17, 2024 6:25 AM
Reply to  Erik Nielsen

Precious metals are better than crypto. Crypto just took liquidity away from, as you say, real money.

Would not surprise me, as part of the NWO plan, that a new currency or group of currencies (eg BRICS) would be gold backed or commodity backed. Would also explain why China, Russia and India have been buying gold aggressively.

Food plus having the ability to grow and produce one’s own, along with barter goods are the ultimate stores of value in the event of a full-on SHTF scenario along with the capability to protect it.

Avoiding that worst case scenario, gold and and silver (especially coins) will be extremely useful, the first as a store of value and the latter as a medium of exchange.

Mhajlo
Mhajlo
May 16, 2024 12:09 PM

Well, I think everyone will agree that CBDC is the solution to our problems, right?

Erik Nielsen
Erik Nielsen
May 16, 2024 9:37 PM
Reply to  Mhajlo

Right, its the only solution and the ring that connects them all. Better be friends with Saruman and Mordor today than tomorrow.

Edwige
Edwige
May 16, 2024 12:04 PM

Perhaps we could grow what we need on comets? It wouldn’t be more absurd than…

https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2024/05/asteroid-mining-clean-energy/678356/?utm_source=pocket-newtab-en-gb

Erik Nielsen
Erik Nielsen
May 16, 2024 9:41 PM
Reply to  Edwige

If this is needed for our food and our nature to be 100% clean and green, we must do it despite what the anti-vaxxers and the self-hating Doos says.

George Mc
George Mc
May 16, 2024 11:40 AM

So the real picture is precisely the opposite of what is being portrayed I.e. the saccharine touchy feely “New Age” pastoral landscape whose only honest feature is the increasing lack of animal life. The endlessly repeated beating about “saving the planet” turns out to be ironically true I.e. the elite care only about the planet considered in purely material terms. They care nothing about the life thereon.

Rolling Rock
Rolling Rock
May 17, 2024 6:41 AM
Reply to  George Mc

They will keep some wild animals so they can go on safari and see them in the ‘wild’, along with game and wild birds to enjoy shoots and hunting.

Also, livestock, to provide the best quality organic meat and dairy. No GMO, factory farmed slop for them, nor lab grown synthetics.

Johnny
Johnny
May 16, 2024 11:34 AM

Speculators have always been the lowest life form in Capitalist societies.
They speculate on war, natural disasters, food and anything that divides human beings.
Hang em high.