If The Wars Go On
Edward Curtin
I suppose my title could have been couched in the singular form, as Hermann Hesse, the Nobel Prize winning German/Swiss author, did with his collection of anti-war essays about World War I (the war to end all wars that didn’t), If The War Goes On . . .
Or more appropriately, I might have eliminated that conditional “If” since it seems Pollyannish.
It’s a long hard road, this anti-war business. During the first Cold War and the 1962 Cuban Missile Crisis in the early sixties when Kennedy and Krushchev narrowly avoided blowing the world to smithereens, Bob Dylan put it right in his fierce song, Masters of War:
Come, you masters of war
You that build the big guns
You that build the death planes
You that build all the bombs
You that hide behind walls
You that hide behind desks
I just want you to know
I can see through your masksLike Judas of old
You lie and deceive
A world war can be won
You want me to believe
But I see through your eyes
And I see through your brain
Like I see through the water
That runs down my drain
Indeed there is a system of war that guarantees that the various wars go on and on ad infinitum, and they are linked. It is why the warfare state has killed our anti-war leaders, first and foremost JFK for turning against war in the last year of his presidency. Then in 1968, Martin Luther King, Jr. and Bobby Kennedy in quick succession.
It is why if you dare to look around the world today, you will see that there is a series of wars happening, not only in the obvious places like Ukraine and Gaza, but in places that you may never have heard of, and if you peek a bit further into their causes, you will discover that a familiar culprit with 750 plus military bases around the world has its hand in most of them – the United States of America.
These wars have their cold and hot phases.
There are days when the corporate media let them sleep and other times when the same media wake them a bit, but never enough to wake their readers up to the reality of the deadly game. That is the media’s job as stenographers for the warfare state. Wars being essentially the health of the state, as Randolph Bourne wrote long ago, they provide vast profits for the military-industrial complex/Wall St., whether they are in preparation or in operation, awake or asleep, hot or cold.
Ray McGovern, the former CIA analyst with a moral conscience, has aptly named this vast interlocking propaganda apparatus the military-industrial-congressional-intelligence-media-academia-think-tank complex, MICIMATT. It is a complex that blatantly serves the interests of the masters of war who “ain’t worth the blood/that runs in [their] your veins,” in Dylan’s words.
The preparation for war is war. What is prepared must be used up, so other weapons can be prepared to be used up, so other weapons can be prepared to be used up, and on and on until one day no one is left to use anything, for the world will be used up in a nuclear conflagration.
These weapons are produced in nice clean factories that pay good wages to people who take their pay and go their way, giving their souls to the killers. For the U.S. economy is built on the waging of wars so continuous that it is nearly impossible to find a break between its hot and cold phases, or what seems like decent employment and the diabolic. They are so intertwined. It is a system of capitalistic finance, a revolutionary system that builds to destroy.
The U.S spends nearly $900 billion dollars annually on “defense” spending; this is more than China, Russia, India, Saudi Arabia, the U.K., Germany, France, South Korea, and Japan combined. The USA is a warfare state; it’s as simple as that. And whether they choose to be aware of it or not, the vast majority of Americans support this killing machine by their insouciance and silence. That their country is spending up to 2 trillion dollars on modernizing its nuclear weapons disturbs them not. It is a death cult.
Some – as I myself have done mistakenly – talk about the “deep state” or some other deceptive phrase that conceals the truth that the official state is the “deep state.” It stares us in the face, but many refuse to stare it back down. It is too obvious, standing, as it does, in the way of a life of illusions.
And what is equally apparent today – or should be if one is not asleep – is that because of the war policies of the U.S., the chances of another world war and the use of nuclear weapons is rising by the day. Despite all its denials to the contrary, the US/NATO is pushing for open warfare with Russia that will involve the use of nuclear weapons.
Our masters of war are pushing us toward a nuclear abyss.
In a recent perceptive article, “Russia and China Have Had Enough,” Pepe Escobar writes truths many prefer not to hear. That there is no split between Russia and China but the opposite – a rock solid Russia-China strategic partnership and a determination to oppose and defeat the U.S./UK/NATO hybrid war tactics across Eurasia and the Middle East.
That the more these U.S.-led forces attempt to destroy Russia, the more the expanding alliances involved in the Shanghai Cooperative Agreement (SCO) and the expanding BRICS partnerships of emerging economies (originally just Brazil, Russia, India, and then South Africa; now also Egypt, Ethiopia, Iran, United Arab Emirates, with many more countries waiting to join) will gain in power.
In Escobar’s words, “. . . the Global Majority is on the move: Russia is closely cooperating, increasingly, with scores of nations in West Asia, wider Asia, Africa and Latin America.”
Despite this fact, the United States and its allies blithely continue as if their control of the world order is secure. That they can butcher and badger the world into submission. The insane are usually deluded, but when they control nuclear weapons, the people of the world need to awaken.
Ray McGovern, a Russia expert, (see raymcgovern.com) has echoed Escobar on the absurdity of the Russian China split; has emphasized how Israel’s genocide of the Palestinians has made it an isolated but desperate pariah state; and how the U.S. war against Russia in Ukraine is leading to the increased use of U.S. tactical nuclear weapons that could lead to full-scale nuclear war. He is not alone in this warning.
There are many signs that we are moving toward a nuclear war with calls for U.S./NATO to support more strikes inside Russia, crossing a very dangerous Russian red line. Russia has made it very clear they will respond. As politicians of various stripes – French President Macron, NATO Secretary General Stoltenberg, German Chancellor Olaf Scholz, et al. have ecstatically been urging the Biden administration, who needs no urging, to escalate the war in Ukraine by attacking Russia proper (“The time has come for allies to consider whether they should lift some of the restrictions they have put on the use of weapons they have donated to Ukraine,” Stoltenberg told The Economist.), Mike Whitney has written about a recent such attack that should send chills down everyone’s spines – “Washington Attacks Key Elements of Russia’s Nuclear Umbrella Threatening Entire Global Security Architecture.” – but since the corporate media ignore it, most will dream away and get their barbecues ready for Fourth of July celebrations.
They and the flag-dressed Dolly Parton can sing all they want about when Johnny comes marching home again, but Dolly and no one will be jolly if there are no homes to march to, no Johnnies marching anywhere but to death, no anything. Just a wasteland.
Michel Chossudovsky, Ray McGovern, Eva Bartlett, Craig Murray, Patrick Lawrence, Vanessa Beeley, Pepe Escobar, Oliver Stone, Andrew Napolitano, Craig Paul Roberts, Scott Ritter, Chris Hedges, Alastair Crooke, Caitlin Johnstone, Peter Koenig, Finian Cunningham, Diana Johnstone, Lew Rockwell, and so many other sane but marginalized writers whose names I am omitting as I write quickly, are warning us of our closeness to nuclear annihilation. Cassandras all, I fear. Marginalized prophets such as writer and antinuclear activist James W. Douglass (Lightning East to West, JFK and the Unspeakable, etc.) have been issuing such warnings for decades. It is understandable that so many turn away from such warnings, for the thought of a nuclear war induces deep anxiety hard to control. But unless the vast majority can break through such reticence and see through the official propaganda, the world will be destroyed by madmen sooner or later. The signs today all point to sooner, for we are on the edge of the abyss.
Former British diplomat Alistair Crooke, in a recent article – The brink of dissolution: Neurosis in the West as the levee breaks – writes about how the Biden administration’s policy toward Russia-China, not to say Israel-Palestine, being nothing more than more of the same, is stupid, self-defeating, and very dangerous. Rather than accepting that its proxy war against Russia in Ukraine is a disaster, the U.S. is escalating the conflict to a terrifying level. Rather than accepting the obvious deep alliance between China and Russian exemplified in the recent hug between Putin and Xi and their joint 8,000 word joint statement, Biden has said, “Russia is in a very, very difficult spot right now. They are being squeezed by China.”
It doesn’t get any stupider. But when more of the same doesn’t work and you can’t accept the reality of a changing world order, you do more of the same. Crooke, writes:
The paradox is that Team Biden – wholly inadvertently – is midwifing the birth of a ‘new world’. It is doing so by dint of its crude opposition to parturition. The more the western élites push against the birthing – through ‘saving Zionism’; ‘saving European Ukraine’ and by crushing dissent – perversely they accelerate the foundering of Leviathan.
President Xi’s double farewell hug for President Putin following their 16-17 May summit nonetheless sealed the birth – even the New York Times, with customary self-absorption, termed the warm embrace by Xi as ‘defiance of the West’.
The root of the coming dissolution stems precisely from the shortcoming that the NY Times headline encapsulates in its disdainful labelling of the seismic shift as base anti-westernism.
More of the same, yes, that is Biden’s approach, inflamed regularly by the anti-Russian hatred spewed by The New York Times and its ilk. It is an obsession bordering on full-fledged madness, yet it is integral to the belief that the U.S. is an empire and will remain one while the rest of the world can go to hell. Such a mindset is behind the U.S.’s abrogating all the nuclear weapons treaties that provided a semblance of security that nuclear weapons would not be used.
Crooke ends his piece with these sobering words:
Put plainly, with the U.S. unable to exit or to moderate its determination to preserve its hegemony, Lavrov [Sergey Lavrov, Russian Foreign Minister] sees the prospect for increased western weapons provision for Ukraine. The discourse of military escalation is in fashion in Europe (of that there is no doubt); but both in the Middle East and Ukraine, western policy is in deep trouble. There must be doubts whether the West has either the political will, or the internal unity, to pursue this aggressive course. Dragging wars are not traditionally thought to be ‘voter friendly’ when campaigning reaches its peak.
Let me repeat that last understated sentence: “Dragging wars are not traditionally thought to be ‘voter friendly’ when campaigning reaches its peak.” And so? More of the same?
Ray McGovern suggests what is more likely:
Israel [is] becoming a dangerous pariah; Ukraine/US/NATO a dangerous loser. As Israel defies the UN, and as the “exceptional” geniuses around Biden ignore Kremlin warnings regarding provocations re Ukraine, the likelihood increases for US use of tactical nukes.
Desperadoes do desperate things. In Biden and Netanyahu we have two blood-thirsty nihilists at the end of their ropes. These masters of war make me think that a better title for this piece would have been:
If the World Goes On.
Edward Curtinis an independent writer whose work has appeared widely over many years. His website is edwardcurtin.com and his new book is Seeking Truth in a Country of Lies.
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“During the first Cold War and the 1962 Cuban Missile Crisis in the early sixties when Kennedy and Krushchev narrowly avoided blowing the world to smithereens…”
But there is a stark lesson the nuclear powers have not learned from history, a pattern they ignore that their peril. If they continue blindly on the current trajectory humanity will perish https://patternofhistory.wordpress.com/ . Teleologically, they are convinced they know the true outcome of history. But there is only one teleological certainty, which can be summed up in a simple syllogism: every empire eventually faces the war it is trying to avoid; everyone wants to avoid WWIII; therefore that is the state that awaits. Paradoxically, the only chance of avoiding that fate is to accept it, something I explore in my e-pamphlet The Doomsday Syllogism. https://www.candlinandmynard.com/doomsday.html
At any one time there are billions of us working across the globe, engaged in all manner of functionally differential practices…. And all that activity is centrally controlled? According to most commentators—it is! If it was, there would be no spontaneity, no creativity, and no chance. The “unpredictability factor” alone rules out centralised rule, as Johnny says below (for 20+ downvotes). So the overly reductive consensus that “19 banking families rule the world” is true, but if and only if us billions agree. Call this by Wittgenstein’s terms, an anthropological “agreement in the form of life.”
So what happens if, say, ‘China’ withdraws its agreement? The Chinese economy and the global economy collapse instantaneously as a form of “mutually assured destruction”. Remember, it was ‘China’s” internal development programme—including building all those “ghost cities”—that saved the global economy post 2008. Humans cooperate globally to create an economy of global scale (global scale of economy) that is far more advanced than any of its constituent parts, be they continental or country…. at least in active principle, we all agree. At least we agreed with the globalist levels of consumer materialism up until now.
That consumerist conglomerate produces our commodities, including our bodies, so we ‘agree’ not only in consumer lifestyle, but we actually physically embody our agreement in the form of life in the form of our physical being. By unwritten “obligate mutualist” agreement, we are all de facto globalists. The UK is the perfect example of a country that could not even grow enough food to support its population without being part of such a mutualistic anthropological agreement, let alone produce a global economy from resources sourced within it territory.
If we truly disagreed with the ‘central banking cartel’ and their form of life, we will have to embody another form of agreement that will only provide a much, much smaller way of sustaining our globalist bodily agreement with a small surplus to share (as education, arts, leisure facilities, medicine and so on.) So do we really fundamentally disagree? If not, the function of all this “Pavlovian fear-porn” is to make us cling to our positions in the globalist economy to protect ourselves and our owned. Exactly replicating the fear-porn driven behaviour that put the bodies of our imagined scapegoats in the ovens not even a century ago. Did we learn nothing about the inherent cognitive dissonance of saving our owned economic status in the meantime?
Please read one of the books linked below to understand how money works, boom and bust cycles are not natural, they create easy money with low interest loans and we get a boom, then fiscally tighten reducing the supply of money to create a bust, where they buy up the enterprises that were possible in the boom for pennies on the dollar. Money is issued as debt, bearing interest, to private central banks, it doesn’t have to be that way.
If governments issued soverign money, debt free, there would be no need for income tax.
The bankers fund the economic schools, they brainwash the economists to believe an alternative system would create hyperinfation a la weimar republic, but how did Hitler perform his “Economic Miracle” to make Germany the richest country in Europe starting from nothing? He issued money free of debt outside the privately owned central banking cartels clutches. There was no hyperinflation, the country thrived, but then we all know what happened next, they couldn’t let that example stand.
Same thing happened to Libya…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XShJGAIAZTo
Since Aristotle, money is an agreement between people that something has value. The ‘something’ can be cowrie shells as much as coin. All money, apart from commodity money, is hot air!
Right now, our agreement about coin being currency is extremely tenuous, if not yet meaningless. Money is a claim on future energy and matter that if we honour will result in life being destabilised, possible even forfeit. I mean, we have already disposed of nearly all mammalian biodiversity for the love of money. And we have forced 80% of our own kind into poverty to produce our wealth and our bodies. What next?
Money does not work. Not for us. Not for biodiversity. Not for life. Bataille, Lotka, Goergescu-Rogen, the Odum’s, Klitgaard and Hall are just some who have shown that money and life are incompatible. It would be good if governments issued sovereign money with or without interest makes no difference, it is what ‘we’ invest our energy in that matters. Even if the government issues debt free currency, it must be spent on ecology, not extending the economy. Does it never occur to anybody that if we produced what we need for ourselves then not only would we end world poverty–by not extracting excess from the impoverished–and there would be no great excess for any banking dynasties?
Neo-Classical Economics has been debunked so many times, but here we are. The global economy is systemically fragile and endemically greed maximising. Because of that, ecology is systemically fragile under relentless assault to turn life into Number. WTF? As I was saying, if we actually disagree with the current form of life we need to invest in a much more local economy of scale within natural boundaries. That is the only thing that money can be invested in that bears a living return on investment.
BBC has an article about the Geo power balance. Putin is visiting China/Xi with a beggar bowl in his hand. https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c2lekp48n78o .
.webp
Quite funny how different we see the world. 😅 .
Putin walking behind Xi, a midget compared to pump iron XI.
The British Broadcasting ( Propaganda) Company up to their old tricks I see.
From another view.
Yeah, they think they are sneaky, but when you know their style it becomes pathetic.
There’s a perspective which seems to be entirely lost on the numerous “critical thinkers” in this forum.
First, let me acknowledge that, in keeping with the prevailing perspective in this forum, I might very well be a dupe of the “globalists” – even, God forbid, a “useful idiot” – because I accept things too much at face value.
On the other hand – and this is the perspective which is so hard to find here – it is possible that the advocates of the “globalist cabal” idea might very well also be duped by the very ones they’re presenting as the cause of virtually everything that happens in the global arena. This would of course be the “Wizard of Oz” syndrome: ascribing immense powers to someone who in reality has no such power. The power resides, not in their hands, but in the fingers being pointed their way.
“Russia: do this! China: do that! USA: do the other!” and so on around the world. A few people – predominately central bankers – dictating social, political and military terms to 195 nations? Really? Truly? Honestly? Rationally?
Boris didn’t fly into Kiev when they had agreed a peace deal and say “Oi Ukraine NO” then?
Libya didn’t get bombed to smithereens when Gaddafi was about to launch a gold backed Dinar as an alternative, for the whole of Africa, to the international central banking cartel either? Of course nobody said “NATO do THAT” but someone formeted a colour revolution to start the civil war that allowed certain security council members to vote on saying “NATO do THAT”. You think it was really about protecting little brown people from genocide? (lol)
Churchill didn’t refuse 16 separate German peace attempts from September 1939-June 1941 after Hitler performed “An economic miracle” by removing germany from the international central banking cartel either?
Saddam wasn’t trying to set up alternative payment systems to get away from the dollar before Iraq got bombed to smithereens either.
Have you ever read Quigly, Sutton, Smedly Butler? Have you read anything about who finiances wars and who benefits? Anything about how the central abking cartel works? Anything about the richest families in the world and how they got their wealth? You think boom and bust cycles are just natural occurences (lol)
15 banking families owned half the world in 1909, now they own the other half
https://apolloniangerm.substack.com/p/the-invisible-empire-of-finance
Watch that video or read the book I linked below, read some of the authors I mentioned, and stop with the simplistic nonsense already, because until you do read those sources, you are your proverbial useful idiot.
UN SC did not authorise the invasion and deliberate destruction of Libya. The “superpower” does not wait for any permit. The scrooges have got all the Libyan gold, both from within and abroad.
Of course not, it was supposed to be about a “no fly zone” to “to take all necessary measures to protect civilians under threat of attack in the country” but that was enough to allow them to bomb the country to smithereens
https://press.un.org/en/2011/sc10200.doc.htm
I can easily say “Back at you.” But I won’t. What I will say is that finances are but one part of the totality of society – not even the most important part. History has shown militarism to be the most important part of any “civilized” social structure. And, yes, wars – be they of conquest or defense – must be financed. But are they really all financed by the bankers? or by taxing the people?
And, yes, at some point the bankers get into the act. But if the generals should happen to decide the bankers are getting a bit too demanding in their tribute, it’s a small matter when you have an army at your disposal to take what the bankers have and send them packing.
Sorry, but the working paradigm of humanity has always been, is still, and will most likely always be “Might Makes Right.” And “Might” resides in the hands of he who wields the weaponry – not he who prints the money.
I’ll pit your 15 banking families against Alexander the Great any day. And we’ll see who wins.
You have to go back to 320BC in anchient history, before the central banking cartel was even a cartel to try to argue the central banking cartel don’t start wars? Yet even Alexander, who was his own banker, funded his wars with loans (lol)
Alexander the great war funding:” The most important source of income, however, were loans. According to Plutarch, Alexander took short-term loans of 1,460 talents.”
https://www.archaeology.wiki/blog/opinion/alexander-the-great-a-very-competent-expert-in-finances/
Now check out Cromwell, who financed him, and why. But it seems you don’t want to read anything, which makes your opinion on this subject devoid of substance, in fact little more than heckling.
I recommend “Babylon’s Banksters” for the insight it provides on how banks since ancient times have been behind wars, mercenaries, slavery, mining, and trade (plunder).
Farrel was a little too esoteric for me, still it was a good book, free download here:
https://annas-archive.org/md5/338b8daa532fd460facdfe1f21ef3fc7
The book I recomended below was by Stephen Mitford Goodson, he was part of the families, an outsider on the inside, he was a Director of the S.African Reserve bank, advocated for a state central bank that issued the means of exchange without interest, he was joint founder of the “Abolition of Income Tax and Usery Party” almost won the election, even in a rigged system. He was in hospital for cancer tests when he said to his familiy “Get me out of here they’re poisoning me!” He died that night, the hospital rushed through cremation of his body against the wishes of his family.
A bit about his party and policies here:
https://web.archive.org/web/20120117094722/http:/www.aitup.org.za/
You can download his book here:
https://annas-archive.org/md5/d7bf5e75329fa2e793b246edf6c9522c
Thanks for postung these links. I was not aware of these books.
Agree with everything you have said in your comments, except the part about boom/bust cycles.
Market cycles theory from the likes of Hurst and Elliott Wave Theory show how markets move in repetitive patterns and can be used to predict future moves with accuracy years in advance. I believe the Central bankers can delay or extend cycles/waves but the overall human sentiment factor and investor psychology which drives markets they cannot control (yet).
It’s no secret that scholars can dig up material and from it construct a book. “Publish or Perish” is the mantra of modern scholarship. You can find pro’s and con’s on just about any subject.
It’s telling, I think, that Covid was what inspired the current round of “They’re all in it together” conclusions. Telling, because a worldwide agreement on something does not indicate ipso facto worldwide collusion.
Same with CBDC. There seems to be worldwide agreement to proceed with it; but, again, that fact doesn’t prove all 195 nations are merely puppets of some central cabal. Nor that 195 “leaders” are willing to renounce their separate bailiwicks simply because a couple dozen folks lurking behind a smokescreen command them to.
As to loans, what are the bankers going to do if a particular nation goes belly up and cannot repay them? Will they send their tellers in to carry everything acquired with the loan out of the nation?
The world may be perilously close to a “When push comes to shove” scenario. If so, will the bankers really have the final say? Or will the armies?
Covid inspired they’re all in it togetherness because all the IMF loans came with strings attached enforcing the same agenda worldwide.
Odd that you bring covid up being Mr “because I accept things too much at face value.” How did covid go for all those too much at face value people?
I can’t help believing you’re omitting a crucial factor: the Enforcer. The bankers, the IMF, World Bank – even the global Hedge Funds – require someone to enforce their edicts.
Possibly the Hedge Funds actually have mercenaries on their payroll. Otherwise, all financial entities must have someone on call to apply pressure and even hurting on recalcitrant deadbeat nations.
Face it: that’s where the USA comes in. It is the worldwide Enforcer for the banking cartel. Or is it? Who controls whom? Perhaps – God forbid – the bankers are the puppets of the US rather than vice-versa.
Throughout history, empires have fought and destroyed one another so as to be number one – which suggests there’s something lurking in human nature which drives humans to seek such status.
To me, human nature trumps bankers as the real starter of wars and carriers of evil.
Just as well you’re here to teach all us fools the gospel of good down home sensible pleasant reasonable reason and rational rationality, Howard.
Unfortunately, absolute certainty is always in need of a firm rational argument pointing out the possibility of uncertainty.
Howard, looks like your account’s been hacked,mate.
Oh dear. And Bill Gates and crew promised me if I made my passwords oblique I’d always be safe.
who knows?
blackrockvanguard and everyone in the world has taken their shilling?? who knows.
I take your point though, can everyone really be bought? is their no moral integrity out there at all? equally, is there really a set group in charge of everything?? or is it a gang of vile chancers, laughing at us all, with no-one really in charge of anything? a free for all of the morally corrupt? us chattel matter not a jot?
who knows. unfortunately i am inclined to believe the reptilians are terraforming earth and setting up their own lab-grown meat enterprises . . . : )
who knows?
War is a racket. Therefore it makes sense that there has never been a time when there is no war. It is just a money making and ritualistic killing machine for certain people.
I recommend the ordinary people do not worry about it. What can worry achieve? What can the daily fretting over the latest genocides really achieve? By all means think about it, meditate on it, discuss it. But let it affect your wellbeing as you go about your daily lives? That is pointless. That is what they want.
At the end of the day it is just part of the bread and circuses to keep our souls downcast, beat up, defeated.
Shine the light of the most high wherever you go, regardless of what they do.
The most high will bring them into the most severe judgement.
Excellent advice Paul.
We are what we are at birth, not what we think we are after absorbing the ignorance of others.
Reality always arrive in the middle of the party. https://youtu.be/YouCsxnnMLY
Im not sure ordinary people need your recommendation.
All ordinary people I meet in these times have absolutely no worry about anything other than their own comfort zone.
They couldnt dream one minute on doing their part.
South Park “My safe Space”. “You may call me a pussy but I wont hear you in my safe space”. https://youtu.be/sXQkXXBqj_U
War is dysfunction. People should not be able to make a career out of being dysfunctional failures.
The US Empire Isn’t A Government That Runs Nonstop Wars, It’s A Nonstop War That Runs A Government
“The wars are not designed to serve the interests of the United States, the United States is designed to serve the interests of the wars. The US as a country is just a source of funding, personnel, resources and diplomatic cover for a nonstop campaign to dominate the planet with mass military violence and the threat thereof.
This campaign is not waged to benefit the American people or their security, but to benefit the loose international alliance of plutocrats and unelected empire managers whose wealth and power are premised on the world order of continuous violence, exploitation and extraction which the campaign of global domination upholds. This campaign of global domination and its manifestations as a whole may be referred to as the US empire, which has very little in common with the US as an individual nation.”
War, what is it good for?
Depopulation… looting… generating internal social cohesion… accelerating social engineering… increasing centralised control of the economy… toppling other rulers who’ve gone off-message… redrawing maps… profits for the MIC… creating mass emigration… creating generational trauma… spreading drug addiction… blood sacrifice….
Turns out to be quite a lot – maybe this is why wars keep happening despite almost nobody saying they want them.
depop?? !! gasp edvig, but but you said it was feminism!!!
pick an argument please and be consistent, otherwise go back to the creative writing classes OG endorses.
Get her.
At least they are kept alive by the shepherd. The moment they meet the wolf they are done.
Maybe the sheep arent such a fools at all?
great quote. Thanks.
Just stop. Take a breath. Put aside all your conditioning. All the years of Pavlovian fear-training. THINK for a moment.
Why would any rational person think these East-West tensions, which can disappear in a heartbeat when needed, are any more real than covid?
Why do you think Putin and Xi and Biden could all agree to lie about a virus but absolutely totally not about anything else?
Like they would all agree to ramp up fear rhetoric about a non-existent pandemic to push an agenda, but they would totally NEVER agree to ramp up war rhetoric to push an agenda?
The first one provably happened but the second one is too stupid to even think about?
This is the level of denial needed to believe in the story the mainstream and the controlled alt media are telling us.
Stop and think hey?
Okay.
Ten thousand years plus of wars, tribalism, nationalism, jingoism, racism, religion and Mammon and now it has all finished and all the Suiturds are plotting and planning in a cosy little coterie.
Sounds a tad fanciful to me.
But we all SEE THEM “plotting and planning together”. What do you think Agenda 2030 is? What was/is the covid scam? Leaders of the world uniting to promote fake fear, made up stats, bullshit ‘solutions’ involving masks and lockdowns. Every govt barring a few in Africa, getting 100% on board with killing their own people and wiping out small/medium businesses and enriching their oligarchy.
You SAW it with your own eyes and ARE SEEING IT NOW. Yet you’re so brainwashed you don’t know what you’re looking at.
You’re quaking about totally spurious fear of global war and oblivious to the fact your own govt is openly enacting legislation that will make you a slave, literally owning nothing (your property will be forfeit under climate/environment legislation) and getting your ‘needs’ met by UBI handouts.
The changes coming are so huge they need to distract you, soften you up, frighten you, confuse you so you don’t see it coming or welcome it as a better alternative.
Propaganda drones won’t be exempt btw. No one will except the superrich and a few chosen influencers. You are totally expendable and are currently shilling for your own enslavement and the enslavement of your kids. You poor sap
Beware the hidden enemy;
Paranoia.
Don’t let em mess with your mind Tilly.
A ghoul behind every door?
Killers in the shadows?
Poison in your food and in the air and water?
The security forces watching, recording and reporting?
All eight billion of us?
Gimme a break.
It’s impossible.
The unpredictability factor is beyond them.
The worldwide vaccine booster hesitancy is proof of that.
Remember; sap rises.
See now, Johnny, from where I’m sitting (in a Costa in Dublin as it happens, sipping my flat white), Tilly has just described a whole lotta things that actually have happened and are happening, and you dodged all that to ramble on about ‘paranoia’.
That’s a strange response. Not very honest.
Have to say, Johnny lad, from this Costa, you’re looking a lot like an agenda-manager right now.
How much flat white have you had Simon?
Not a ramble in sight.
Agenda manager?
Do I get a pay rise?
Gotta be better than the below poverty pension.
Johnny who appeared here only recently as far as I can tell, because he definitely wasn’t here 2020, 2021 or 2022, pairs up with the major trolls. He rehabilitates them.
His whole shtick seems to be to deny there’s any conspiracies and blames “capitalism.”
There’s been an entire truth movement since 9/11 apparently Johnny is conveniently unaware of.
compared to whom?
admins? geo et al, your own good self sophie? tell us why softest porn Topmoc, that stalker according to OG admins (reportable!!!), is still tolerated here? But if one points out the wanton horror of consumerism your posts are pended forever . . . .?? da fuk.
what about those characters who only pop up when ukr front ain’t going well, there’s at least 3 obvious cunts there, EVERYTIME . .? e.g. et al etc etc, obvious as a chem trail in the morning sky, but still tolerated, nay pinned . . ?? loada shite.
You’re seeming fake as feck R, ‘montae fuk. Try and be reasonable as well as consistent, eh?
: )
“ 3 obvious..” Right come ahead son !
is this brian boru or brianberou speaking?
Tube !
The controllers want us to blame capitalism for all the world’s woes.
That way the controllers can sneak in communitarianism – currently being enacted at a local government level under the guise of Agenda 2030 – which is nothing more than rebranded communism. Much easier to get people to willingly give up property rights and accept neo-feudalism than to force them to accept it.
I am willingly to bet ‘revolution’ will be sold to us as a next step to that goal. Just as it was in France and Russia, with a pre-packaged ‘solution’ at the back end of it.
Yep. 100%
Still searching?
Still haven’t found what you’re looking for?
It’s closer than your breath.
Go watch some more ASIO disinfo.
Will it come with cartoons ?
My attention span ain’t what it used to be.
Trying to reason with politics is hazardous to ones health.
Do it at your own risk, and I suggest you don’t, b/c it can’t be done.
Ten thousand years plus? You’ve been around for a long time Johnny!
I rode a dinosaur to school George.
I used to fear a nuclear Armageddon, followed by nuclear winters and a Greatest Reset even for the bonkers billionaires hiding in New Zealand bunkers. This was based on my assessment of existing ‘human’ minded sociopaths controlled by asuras /devils gathered in Washington and in Beijing close to some launch codes.
Now I know that fear only attracts the feared, so counterproductive.
Also I want to believe that two ‘new’ groups will prevent this Pralaya: a few humans evolved to a much higher level of consciousness (first step is surrender your ego and its all its desires!) became earthly relay stations for Positive Change, plus old extra-terrestrials focused on preventing nuclear material destroying the global atmosphere.
.. spending up to 2 trillion dollars on modernizing its nuclear weapons disturbs them not.. take their pay and go their way..
This is the benefit of destroying the middle class and tying up the masses in the scrabble for survival. The CIA-driven flood of immigrants at the southern US border is meant to drive down all wages. Those joining them there from China are thugs, con-men, tax evaders, traitors and other miscellaneous scum. It will be a like marriage made in heaven.
It doesn’t get any stupider.
See the frequent articles in Bloomberg, NYT, etc. The big theme is that China is in big trouble over population, government businesses, real estate, etc. Can one come to believe his own lies?
Any civilization that can cook up “manifest destiny” and “dominion over nature” is doomed.
I’ve noticed that all my pro-Israel friends laugh at the college “pro-Hamas” demonstrations (everyone who notices the genocide is, to them, pro-Hamas) but, strangely, they never cheer on what Israel is doing. They don’t look at any video of the hell that Israel is making. They just ignore it, live in denial, and focus all their energy on laughing at the college students.
These weapons are produced in nice clean factories that pay good wages to people who take their pay and go their way, giving their souls to the killers.
Good stuff, ED, but it’s more than a matter of people waking up and voicing dissent. At the heart of this horror is also a system of taxation in which those same weapons workers are taxed on their pay, like every one else; to pay for the weapons, their own domination and their own demise. One must be a conscientious objector and refuse to pay war taxes.
Distractions, distractions, distractions !!
I’m 50% sold on WW3 – soon – but 50% think it wont happen
before the November USA election, so my thoughts are
distracted by wondering if Biden’s Mob have a False Flag event,
or 0ctober Surprise, up their sleeve to get Biden over the line
ahead of the others, and what could it be, because Biden sure
as hell really needs all the help he can get IMHO…
The country is on a steep decline politically, for better or for worse, it can’t be avoided.
Ok, I acknowledge there may or may not be a real or not real danger of nuclear war. Now what?
This all seems rather foolish since we can’t do shit about it anyway.
I think the notion of a nuclear war threat is similar to the threat of the deadly “virus”. The world’s population must be kept in perpetual fear, and this will be used to justify a first strike by the USA/Nato against Russia.
I hesitate to join the fray (seeing as Tilly is currently top-voted at 57!). Like many other commenters, I admire Edward Curtin for his consistent, gentle, courageous and eloquent essays. His integrity is palpable and he passes every litmus test I know of (from the sinking of the USS Maine, Lusitania, Pearl Harbour, JFK, USS Liberty, RFK, 9/11 onwards). All of these false flags are still hotly defended by TPTB because they show their complete amorality and will happily murder thousands of their own. It is this willingness to kill their own which shows the truth of their inhumanity. Power corrupts absolutely, whether it be Roman emperors or Roman Popes (the origins of Lord Acton’s axiom). Because TPTB deal in the infinity of lies, it is easy to get lost sometimes (if that is what Tilly is suggesting).
It matters not if nuclear bombs were deployed in 1945 because conventional weapons had already destroyed much of Japan). As we know from the presidency of JFK, his was the only voice opposed to WWIII. War is indeed what they most desire i.e. it is not alarmist to believe in WWIII and in fact, it probably started in 2014 with the Maidan Coup. The Russian Bear and the Chinese Dragon have the potential to utterly destroy “The West” but seemingly have more intelligence (Morality/Humanity?) to observe their enemy deplete every resource they possess. The US fleet of aircraft carriers can be sunk by drones.
So, in defence of both Edward Curtin and all the truth-seekers in the alt media, let us not argue so vehemently between ourselves: let us aim our truth at the liars and unite in cherishing those values that make life worth living – like kindness, compassion, good red wine and laughter. Benedictus, Domino.
Good onya Hugh.
We are only human after all.
“Every time I hear a political speech or I read those of our leaders, I am horrified at having, for years, heard nothing which sounded human. It is always the same words telling the same lies. And the fact that men accept this, that the people’s anger has not destroyed these hollow clowns, strikes me as proof that men attribute no importance to the way they are governed; that they gamble – yes, gamble – with a whole part of their life and their so called ‘vital interests.”
Albert Camus
There’s a lot of closet eugenicists, all looking forward to
The Next Big Cull (though currently it’s ‘little by little’ –
probably ’til They get up steam)…
Albert is not one of The Usual Suspects, but this quote
sure provides a good argument for A Big Cull…
The political game is aimed at the youth who are gullible and willing participants to keep the game relevant, the elders gamble or avoid the rigged game as knowledge is acquired and used to further ones own goals.
But in the end the horror arrives to end the current game and begin another one, in so far a vain attempt to reach a visual utopia.
I’ve noticed Donald Trump wants a trillion plus per year DOD budget to build up America’s “power”, so, he says, there will be no more war. His supporters are buying that, just like they buy the stance that he might have spearheaded Operation Warpspeed but “he didn’t require lockdowns and mandates”. I guess they’ll be disappointed on both counts if Trump gets elected again.
Interesting. I think ‘no more war’ is going to be one way globalism is sold in its various guises
Thats a big wall needed to keep all the zoo critters in, so it could cost a bundle and take a while to make. In the name of defense first, then security second to keep the zoo open.
Is it me or does it this theme of OG authors either getting wanting there articles retracted or having hissyfits over commentators disagreeing with there manufactured alt media stage heroes or intergalactic space weaponry that doesn’t exist.
shall we remind folks that Ed wrote the article ”you no the fight right was rigged” RE: Biden Trump 2020 and not long after that went on to heavily promote RFK jr as the new god we should bow down and follow.
FALSE PROPHET – ROBERT KENNEDY JR
https://odysee.com/@warren-g:9/Bobby-Tea-Baggers-Is-Bringing-Massive-Transparency:0
War and preparation for war is a way that capitalism deals with overproduction. It serves numerous purposes — it soaks up productive effort making products that are either useless or destroyed, it has the potential for economic subjugation of others (occupation, reparation by the victors) and at a pinch it also reduces surplus population. What’s not to like about it?
We’ve been able to get away with this in the old European countries for so long because of sheer raw power. Other societies might object, might protest or even resist but against raw power they have only the option to submit or be destroyed. Now, though, other societies have figured this out — it can be said “They’re on to us” — and now they’re in a position to directly challenge us. We really only have two choices. One is to mend our ways. The other is to go for global annihilation. The latter isn’t as unthinkable as it seems because the sort of people who get into this situation, who are so self-centered, egotistical and sociopathic to be able to rationalize ant sort of evils (invariably reflecting their own faults as faults in others) that they really would risk a global catastrophe because they’re unable to appreciate consequences, at least any that would apply to them. We’ve been watching an extreme version of this mindset in action in the US recently; regardless of the rights and wrongs of any particular situation the kind of “it doesn’t apply to me” mindset, the sort of behavior associated with immature teenagers, combined with raw power shows how dangerous this mindset can become, especially when its deftly exploited by clever ‘behind the scenes’ types.
Off topic and perhaps pendable?:
What the fuck is going on with Naomi Wolf?:
https://x.com/naomirwolf/status/1797255227898302478
She agrees with this:
Christ IS Israel? Christ did not mean to start a new religion? He wants the whole world to become part of Israel?
So the New Testament may as well not have happened! There is no Christianity. There is only Judaism – which is here specifically seen as identical to Israel.
The connections with what is happening in Gaza are glaring.
So the question is: Who is Naomi hanging out with now? Who is influencing her?
And it doesn’t take a genius to work it out.
For the first time I think I may prefer the other Naomi!
“Don’t call be Naomi” (somewhere in Ruth).
Naomi is absolutely correct. She’s in opposition to a phenomena known as “Replacement Theology”; the view that the NT church has completely replaced the function of Israel.
Rather she’s advocated the fact that the Church is grafted INTO Israel rather than replacing it (Romans 11 I think)
She’s a Bobby Jr groupie.
Most people go blind when they see a bunch of dollares. People find all kinds of good excuses on why they suddenly jumped from one opinion to another. Its called cognitive dissonance.
Lol. Hilarious. She’s always been an operative, pushing the virus is real meme among other non-sense narratives. Both Naomi’s, Wolf and Klein are intelligence assets, both highly promoted in the mainstream media as semi-faux opposition voices, limited hangouts, both pushing the country versus country lie. MKNAOMI. These projects never cease, they are just retooled.
The latest narrative instruction memos from the intel agencies to their controlled opposition voices are to trigger those on the right, the Trump base and evangelicals by using SCRIPTure in the BuyBull and the end times psyop.
*Nuclear weapons DO NOT WORK which is why they have never been used* and have not been documented to have been used since occupied Japan, because the hoax would have been revealed.
Hiroshima and Nagasaki were carpet bombed with napalm, mustard gas and good old high explosives. The “radiation poisoning” seen after the attacks was the result of mustard gas, one of the most vile inventions of “science”.
https://mpalmer.heresy.is/webnotes/HR/index.html
It’s another state terror psy-op and anyone who propagates the terror is a victim at best. You literally have no idea what these ( barely) human vultures have or don’t have in their aresenal yet you choose to beleive every apocalyptic thing they say about blowing up the planet 800 times over when they have been proven again and again to create * lies that are too big to fail * ….
Sure, so I’m guessing we can all go back to sleep, rather than believe in basic physics.
No, I think what purgatorium meant was, show me the proof of nuclear war weapons.
Take a look at this:
bikini.pdf. – by Miles Mathis
and
Death-Object-Exploding-the-Nuclear-Weapons-Hoax-by-Akio-Nakatani.pdf – by Akio Nakatani
So nuclear fission is a hoax and therefore, nuclear power stations are producing hoax electricity ?
That’s silly talk !!
It’s not real ‘lectricity !!
You thought Nuclear Power Station produced energy? You believed that like you believed in Clima Change and the jabs……………………LOL.
Its as real as the news in Washington Post. Wake up Brian, you live inside the American dream. You are asleep.
Santa Clause is coming through your chimney this Christmas with a pair of socks.
If nuclear power stations don’t produce electricity and nuclear power plants don’t produce power, then countries such as France, which relies heavily on nuclear energy would be unable to run services, food would spoil, medical operations wouldn’t be so widespread and submariners would die.
Unfortunately, the quote about Jesus James Angelton is more applicable to other people ‘ a wilderness of mirrors ‘.
I think you are right. I were just adding confusion to the confusion and fake to fake..
One plane delivered enough napalm mustard gas and high explosives to do the Hiroshima bombing? And likewise Nagasaki? You must be a salesman. 😂
Proof. https://youtu.be/noY-Sd0DZqM
here are 5 more examples. obviously nuclear explosions w/ bombs are just a hoax (TPTB used mustard gas and traditional explosives to make an island disappear in the pacific – operation ivy mike, min 2:22 in YT link below).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_vPAoaRPi2k
also here’s a link to the infamous text that people are citing as “proof” (it’s in dr nakatani’s book). his writing is extremely self referential and defensive in nature. the arguments are lame. read it yourself (try page 48 for example, in the link below, when nakatani rambles on about the wright brothers and charles darwin – he’s a genius i tell you !!!).
DEATH OBJECT, by Akio Nakatani
https://archive.org/details/8d-0de-2/page/n43/mode/2up
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then there’s this gem from page 78 of death object,
“By analogy, because information relating to the design of nuclear weapons is automatically born classified, i cannot hand you the ‘core’ – the shocking model code which reveals the falsity of explosive fission. But i can at least detonate all the surrounding stuff – that is, i can present reams of circumstantial evidence against the FEAR hypothesis.”
– – – –
the ABM treaty actually was created by a group of bankers who realized they could control the USSR (everybody knows the rothschild’s controlled the USSR) and the USA by presenting a front of 2 superpowers armed w/ nuclear weapons (that’s scary isn’t it – reality). the ABM treaty perpetuated the illusion that the bombs were real !!!! i’m telling you all of the photos and film of above ground nuclear tests were fabricated, don’t you see it man !!!
…peace…
Crying Wolf
https://nypost.com/2022/07/11/nyc-releases-psa-for-residents-in-the-event-of-a-nuclear-attack
NYC releases PSA for residents in the event of a nuclear attack
July 11, 2022
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Here pushed by Fox News and Tulsi Gabbard
This leads to the brink of nuclear war with Russia: Tulsi Gabbard
Jul 14, 2022
Fox News
Too many have still NOT got all their jabs and boosters, and there is still duffers who refuse to get an Digital ID and a Smart phone and who insist to continue to pay outdated cash.
To these mental disabled technology midget there is only answer: WWIII Nuclear War!
Your LAST chance little boy…..and girl. Do it, or else!
I’d like to teach the world to sing
In perfect harmony
https://web.archive.org/web/20220716193053/https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/proxy-war-has-no-exit-strategy
This Proxy War Has No Exit Strategy
By Tyler Durden
Saturday, Jul 16, 2022 – 08:30 pm
Authored by Caitlin Johnstone via Medium.com
The International Committee of the Democratic Socialists of America has released a statement opposing the US government’s ongoing proxy war in Ukraine, saying the billions being funneled into the military-industrial complex “at a time when ordinary Americans are struggling to pay for housing, groceries, and fuel” is “a slap in the face for working people.” The statement advocates a negotiated settlement for peace, saying continuing to pour weapons into the country will “needlessly prolong the war, resulting in more civilian deaths” and that it “risks escalating and widening the war — up to and including nuclear war.”
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https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2022/07/12/rdep-j12.html
NYC Emergency Management Department issues Public Service Announcement for nuclear attack
David North
12 July 2022
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Tucker saves the nuclear fearmongering for the climax (@17:15)
Tucker Carlson: This is shameful
Jul 13, 2022
Fox News
Fox News host Tucker Carlson calls out the Biden administration for sending billions of dollars to Ukraine while Americans suffer with record-high inflation on ‘Tucker Carlson Tonight.’
Thank you Mr. Curtin. This is exactly what each Federal politician in America needs to hear is the root perception of a the vast majority of society. The US public are never offered any of the infinite peace options that lead to cooperation-to-succeed rather than the conflict-to-succeed that [Disaster] Capitalism breeds. The infantile good guy vs bad guy false binary is projected upon us like a disease that won’t go away. The root disease that needs a deep cleansing is in the wealth bloated 1%er top office suite of the obsolete capitalist pyramid scheming of the West.
I will print this article and send it to my Oregon Senators and Congresscritter. What good it will do may be only in the mind of the staffer that reads it. A seed to grow. But it/they need to hear… “Enough!!!”
The settler colonialism mindset that has allowed these fools to take Humanity to the brink, for the last time, has been purged by the reality of their insanity. Oblivion.
One can make an argument, as writers at O-G have done, that talk of nuclear war is a tactic to distract from a larger Global takeover. While I don’t agree, I respect and appreciate those writers and their perspective. But they argue the issues and don’t call arguments bullshit or besmirch others without evidence. The commentator Tilly has done the latter. Even if, for argument’s sake, I granted Tilly’s point about those she mentions, there remains Michel Chossudovsky, Patrick Lawrence, Oliver Stone, Andrew Napolitano, Chris Hedges, Alastair Crooke, Diana Johnstone, Peter Koenig, Finian Cunningham, Lew Rockwell, and those unnamed. I suppose all these people who have been warning re nuclear war are all shills as well. The issue is simple. Tilly thinks their warnings are all “fear porn” and disagrees with my saying they are not. Calling the article “bullshit” is not an argument. It’s in place of one.
Well said !
I told you why I think it’s bullshit. I didn’t just throw the word at you and walk away. It makes me mad to see people like yourself missing the obvious scam.
Chris Hedges is another limited hangout. Sorry. Chossudovsky – maybe not. He’s ok on 9/11.
That’s one acid test isn’t it. If they won’t touch 9/11 or if they talk LIHOP bullshit then they fail the test. Not many on your list get a pass there.
I wouldn’t take it to heart. For many the only genuine ‘alternative’ is the person in the mirror
A wildernesses of mirrors is a more suitable term.
Mr. Curtin, first and foremost these wars are about enslaving and silencing US taxpayers. We’ll never be free unless someone stops the US mob. “The Deep State…considers global conflict as the price to pay for maintaining its largesse from the US taxpayer.
Continuous warfare is its only business product.”…(parag. 4)…11/7/2019, “Deep State on the National Security Council: Colonel Vindman Is an ‘Expert’ With an Agenda,” Strategic Culture, Philip Giraldi…..One political candidate could run on “Making US Neutral Again” as was attempted in 1930s.
These alt-media talking heads named in your article do not necessarily all have to be shills, in the sense of being controlled or approved opposition. Some are simply ‘useful’ to the controllers in selling a narrative.
Whether wittingly or unwittingly, elements of the alt-media have come to detest the West and its imperialistic nature. These commentators are so blinkered that they see the BRICS/multipolar world as the saviours. The Western puppets continue to add fuel to the fire and in doing so make the BRICS puppets look like heroes.
The controlled demolition of the largely economically and morally bankrupt West is increasing support among the global population for the new alternative. The NWO is unfolding before our eyes, as the multipolar world Kissinger laid the foundations for in 1970’s, now rises in prominence. The controllers have set this up perfectly and too many of the so-called awake are falling for it.
To repeat, as commenters including myself have said at OffG, the lockstep actions during Covid-1984 was the acid test to top all others. All the cards were laid on the table by the major players as they took their cues from the controllers and their minions, which demonstrated their commitment to deceive, scare, oppress and inject their own populations for a fake virus with an unknown substance which has caused harm and we are yet to discover its long term effects.
To pretend geopolitics exists as we have been led to believe and it is pre-2019 again is choosing to not see the obvious. The talking heads who push the fake binaries NEVER ever discuss the actions of China, Russia and the other BRICS+ nations during the Plandemic but simply focus on the actions of the Western regimes.
If geopolitics ever existed, it certainly ended in March 2020.
Over 1000 published research papers show that the jabs are harmful. Yet, no one has been punished, those sacked have not been reinstated, there is superficial compensation and the jabs continue even for babies. Enough said.
I’d like to agree with you and i like your comment but i wonder if there are other large moving parts that over-ride your theory. I won’t try to define those but i think the Covid con and the apparent national responses are not the only factors driving world affairs these days. The impact of new technologies would be one large moving part that is difficult to measure.
Covid-1984 could have been, either a failed attempt at bringing in vaccine passports (digital ID’s) due to too many people refusing the jabs or it was only the first step, hence the noise around a new scamdemic in the making.
The main question is, are the injections designed for depopulation, through the slow motion effects of illnesses including cancer and sterilization or were they to insert nanotechnology as part of the transhumanist agenda? It is clear that the rapid culling of the population was not the aim, since although there have been deaths and injuries and increased excess mortality, it is not such that people are dropping like flies – at least so far.
So your point regarding new technologies would fit nicely with transhumanism. It could also be such that if this was the case, then the deaths and injuries are a side effect of injecting naontechnologies and not the result of a depopulation exercise.
Until we get clarity on what the ingredients were – despite speculation and apparent tests of the ingredients – we may never know, since there are so many hypotheses. It is possible that people have been injected with different ingredients but if so, other than a global experiment, what was the point of the exercise?
It’s likely all 3. They never run an op without multiple objectives.
1) making the slaves a modified, damaged, chipped, sub-race, which is what the transhumanist agenda actually appears to be. Not to extend life or enhance humanity but to permanently damage, chip and weaken the slaves.
2) It’s a track and trace mechanism for the IoB, and it kills off the injected 20/30 years prematurely with strokes, myocarditis, CVD, cancer, and creates infertility. Life shortening injections so no payouts or pensions for the elderly.
3) The vaccine passport trial balloon failed. But ultimately will be achieved with the CBDCs and SMART IDs after the next scamdemic or cyber pandemic.
Yes, Barry did let the cat out of the bag when he said :
“We’ve now essentially, clinically tested the vaccine on billions of people worldwide”
https://theworldwatch.com/videos/1616783/breaking-obama-confirming-you-were-all-guinea-pigs-in-the-biggest-human-experiment-ever/
Unbelievable gall. I never saw that.
But it fits, because in 2020, I dug around some government affiliated sites and found Obama’s brain initiative which is an operation of Rockefeller Org, Mitre, IARPA, DARPA, Navy Intel, Air Force Intel and the NIAID, NIH. Now it’s expanding its alliance.
Covid1984 and the tech in the injections is partly a cover story for the brain initiative.
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Putin takes the possibility of a US nuclear attack on
Russia SERIOUSLY…He knows the provocations are
going to continue, even after The Ukraine is neutralised…
He knows Russia was invaded twice, and he saw the
post-Soviet economic carnage The West inflicted…
He’s A Realist…He knows The West will use every
means possible to subordinate Russia; its vast natural
wealth will be just icing on the victory cake…
There is a vast IQ difference in the leaderships of China, Russia and US. Thanks to the wonders of multi-party politics that runs on money alone, the US side is dogmatic and barely literate.
How can you or any of us know what Putin takes seriously? All we know is what the media tell us he takes seriously.
If you listen to them then he took covid seriously and got his family stuck with the clot shot.
Do you believe that too?
Well, Khordorkovsky, MI6/ CIA / City of London take him very very seriously.
https://www.voltairenet.org/article168007.html
What a top chap Mr Putin is. He considerately decided to launch the special military operation in Ukraine just as the Plandemic narrative was falling apart like a cheap suit. How convenient for a narrative switch-a-roo.
Instead of winding this operation up in days or weeks, he decided to send in redundant ex-Soviet military hardware and fight WWI style trench warfare for the past 2 plus years. I thought the Russians had an airforce and hypersonic missiles?
Vlad also thought it a good idea to allow Vlod and Western leaders to go on photoshoots and walkabouts in central Kiev along with Hollywood zlebs. No flak jackets required nor any fear of being wiped out by a Russian hypersonic, because that is perfectly normal during a ‘war’. Is Russian intelligence absolute shit? Of course it is not. They knew and they sat back, under orders to allow it.
The so-called leaders and their puppet governments are acting their part in this scripted ‘war’. The losers are the ordinary people.
All right, but what are the arguments then for a nuclear war?
I mean we have seen Russia demonstrate their new hypersonics, calibr, avangard, plus we have seen US generals admitting in public hearings US has no defence again them.
So I find the arguments against a nuclear war as only fear porn for another agenda well founded.
But what would the arguments be for West to make suicide? They cant beat Russia, even further they can beat Russia + China, even further it becomes even more difficult to beat Russia + China + Iran the latest of we have seen also have some hypersonic missiles hitting Israel.
Your majority vote among the controlled opposition stars is group think and not an argument. Just saying.
But the risk of nuclear war can be realised if Russia, China, Iran decide enough is enough and start it.
I guess this is the fear point of our Western duffers……………..LOL.
What do the purported nuclear bombings of two mid-sized Japanese cities in August of 1945 have in common with the faked Apollo moon landings? Science polymath, Dr. Michael Palmer MD, Ph.D, while not dealing directly with this comparison, gives us knowledge to answer this question. He wrote a 400 page book titled Hiroshima Revisited which builds a case beyond any reasonable doubt that the “nuclear” bombings of these two cities were faked and that their destruction was due to overwhelming aerial bombardment with large conventional bombs, huge quantities of napalm, and mustard gas, the latter being an internationally illegal substance used because it gives a similar clinical appearance to radiation poisoning. Palmer’s book is available expensively as a paperback from Amazon, or a free, downloadable .pdf.
While all but the last two chapters were devoted to the presentation of hard physical evidence, the last two chapters were speculation as to how the US pulled this ruse off politically, and finally, what was the primary motivation behind it. As to the former, he documents that the Japanese government had been pleading for a surrender agreement for almost a year before the bombings, which were consistently rebuffed by Truman. The final unconditional surrender was in substance identical to what the Japanese had been suggesting all along. The penultimate chapter deals with how the hoax was pulled off politically, and that the Japanese government was forced to go along with it and support it so as to preclude any more devastating bombardments.
But it is the final chapter which raises the question, why were the bombings faked as the result of a novel, terrorizing super weapon? The bullshit rationale offered officially was that it was to preclude the “necessity” of an invasion of Japan which would result in the deaths of tens of thousands of US soldiers. Why it was total BS is the fact, as mentioned, that the Japanese were willing to negotiate a surrender on terms very similar to the post bombing terms for almost a year. Their only condition was that the emperor would be retained as the spiritual leader of the country.
A second theory, proposed and still active among current thought, is that it was to intimidate Stalin, though they occurred a few days after the conclusion pf the Potsdam conference between Truman, Churchill, and Stalin when the fate of Europe was decided. After the purported nuking, Stalin did not appear to be intimidated in the least. Did he know they were mislabeled conventional weapons? There is every possibility that this is true. At that time the Soviet Union had an embassy in Tokyo, and the Japanese had reached out to them (to no avail) to try to persuade them to intervene with the Americans to intercede in permitting a surrender. Since the top levels of the Japanese government had been compelled to agree, beforehand, to go along with the nuclear fiction, there is every possibility that Stalin had been tipped off by a Japanese leak to their spooks at their embassy.
His actual reason for the hoax is put forth by Palmer in the final chapter. The hoax was to pressure the planet into a one world government, purportedly through the newly structured UN, and to a large extent controlled by the US. When the nature of this super weapon was “disclosed” to the global population, there would be a huge up-swelling of panic to establish this global government to prevent a nuclear annihilation. We can see, that this agenda failed at the time, but some 80 years later it is still on the front burner of our globalist technocrats.
A thoughtful person may then ask, why didn’t the US use real nuclear bombs? Why go through this Potemkin Village charade? There are two sources of fissionable material for nuclear weapons, plutonium (Pu) and weapons grade uranium, The former does not exist in nature but can only be extracted and purified from the by-products of a nuclear reactor. The later is composed of a material comprised of at least 80% of the U235 isotope. Uranium, of course, exists in the natural world as the final natural element (92) in the periodic table. However, it exists as several isotopes, the two most common being U235, which is 0.7% of the total, and U238, which is 99.3%. The general Manhattan Project was originally tasked with extracting enough Pu from the few atomic reactors that then existed in the US at the time, and purifying Uranium 235 from less than 1% to over 80%. This was done at the time by reacting the U with fluorine gas to turn it into UF6, and then to pass that gas through a long series of baffle plates, sort of a maize. Since U235 is almost 1% lighter than U238, each pass would result in a slightly higher concentration of U235. To get to 80%, this requires many, many passes. (Today a different method is used, centrifugation, which is much, much more efficient).
The Trinity test bomb and the Nagasaki bomb were purportedly Pu and the Hiroshima bomb U235. Palmer’s book has a photo of Oppenheimer and General Groves inspecting the remains of the supporting tower of the Trinity explosion the day after the explosion. In the photo, the steel of the tower was quite twisted but very much there. If the nuclear bomb had been real, the steel would have been vaporized, or at the least simply formed a solidified puddle on the ground. Also, it would have been unlikely that either Groves or Oppenheimer could have survived the exposure, dying rapidly from radiation poisoning, particularly as Pu is incredibly toxic as well.
As an aside, Palmer points out that Oppenheimer was the one who originated the name “Trinity” for the test. He speculates that it probably was the result of a twisted in-joke, as the bomb was really composed of TNT (trinitrotoluene) to which Oppenheimer threw in three vowels.
Many have suggested that nuclear weapons to this very day are a hoax and that they cannot actually be manufactured and function based solely on atomic physics, and some support for this idea came from the now somewhat common knowledge that the first three explosions were hoaxes. While this is always possible, Palmer documents in his book that the reason for the hoax was the unavailability of the fissionable material in sufficient quantities as other events of the war forced a deadline. Nuclear bombs need a certain critical mass in order to sustain an instantaneous chain reaction, so two times the critical mass of PU and a critical mass of 80% U were needed. Truman certainly would not have hesitated for a moment to use nuclear weapons on moral grounds, and it is possible, maybe probable, that the firebombing of the cities resulted in more innocent, civilian deaths than actual nuclear bombs.
And finally we get to the starting question I posed as to what does the fake nuclear bombings of these two Japanese cities have in common with the fake Apollo moon landings. As to the later, I refer the reader to the superlative 3 hour video documentary, American Moon (English Version), created by Italian film maker and photographer, Massimo Mazzucco, which is available as a free MP4 download. To keep it short, after JFK proclaimed that the US would succeed in a manned moon landing before the end of the decade, the following two presidents put more and more US prestige on the line, particularly as the USSR had launched the first satellite, Sputnik. When Nixon was finally told that it couldn’t be done, especially before the end of the decade, then he went about faking it.
As I mentioned in my post above, Palmer speculated and held the opinion that the primary reason for faking the nuclear weapons regarding the first three explosions was to terrify the global population into permitting a global government to prevent a future nuclear war. I agree with him on this. But as I wrote, the US went with creating this complicated hoax because they could not produce either of the fissionable materials in a timely fashion for any of the bombs. My academic background in chemistry, in which I had a particular interest in nuclear chemistry, has led me to believe that nuclear weapons do exist today and have done so for no less than a year or two after the end of WWII. I do not see any scientific reason that they cannot be produced. That said, I also still believe that they are still being used to terrify the global population into acceding into global government with the false argument that this would preclude a nuclear WWIII.
Why faked? It’s the salami in the pants syndrome, that’s why.
Also, how did the camera film work at the site of the explosion? Maybe the same way it worked in the extreme temperature and radiation on the Moon.
“Some – as I myself have done mistakenly – talk about the “deep state” or some other deceptive phrase that conceals the truth that the official state is the “deep state.”
That’s right don’t look at the men behind the curtain. Just look at the facade and stare it down.
Midnight on the doomsday clock already came with the coup on democracy…
“At midnight all the agents and the superhuman crew
Come out and round up everyone that knows more than they do.”
Bob Dylan – Desolation Row
And the White Knight is Talking Backwards iii:
Midnight in the Garden of Good and Evilhttps://hughboone.substack.com/p/and-the-white-knight-is-talking-backwards-bb0
Oh please. As if the other “sides” are not equally controlled by the same central userers.
Every war since at least the fall of Rome was instigated by the same cartel of global money printers to cement their power. There are no countries left ouside the central banking cartel, Libya was the last and look what happened there, the first action after they were bombed into regime change was to open a new central bank.
You’re playing their game, repeating the same pro-anti talking points they seed to cover their tracks.
The BRICs white paper was drawn up by Goldman Sachs FFS, get a grip and point the finger where it belongs. Where do they get the “defense” budget from, on all sides, who owns all the central banks globally? That’s where you need to point the finger, that’s who you need to go after, not their lacky in Washington, not their Lacky in London, Bejing, Moscow, or aywhere else, start with the BIS and work down.
The only way they can get CBDC though is with war. Emergency war powers will be the excuse for digital ID, control of purchasing, rationing, contol of movement, and moweing the global lawn
You think you’re awake? You are in a Lucid Dream of their making!
BTW Edward, if you want to read the actual book rather than sit through 3.5hrs of quotes from it, here’s a link you can download it from, it’ll make it easier to quote from should you decide to write a useful article about it. I’ve lost count how many good books I’ve read on central banking, monitary reform etc. but I have to say Mitford Goodsons book had some gems in there I’ve never come across in the last 20yrs.
https://annas-archive.org/md5/d7bf5e75329fa2e793b246edf6c9522c
Don’t read the 4th edition if you decide to get the physical book, get an older copy, I’ve heard it’s been heavily redacted.
I would have linked to it on z-libray, where you could get a pdf version, but that domain was recently seazed by the feds and only the onion site is still active, but I’m not linking that.
https://youtu.be/Mamvq7LWqRU
What to do when I ask someone the direct question:
“Would you recognize a controlled demolition if you saw one?”,
and they answer “No.”
That’s the moment to shut down the conversation.
Because proceeding any further, would be a waste of time.
I have another one: “Why does it rain”? If people cant answer that question you have a 10 year psychological case in front of you.
Luckily, nuclear weapons are a hoax, so this is fear porn, just like the viral delusion pushed by the central planners who need the “dead” slaves (under worldwide admiralty called civil or statutory) to believe in the lies of “sovereign nation states”, fake nukes and another staged, orchestrated, coordinated world war, or WEF cyber pandemic generating artificial Chaos, forcing through their New CBDC World Order, under technocratic bio-fascism.
Every secret society, religious or political cult member believe they alone know the truth, that they’ll be spared in the Great Taking. That’s wishful thinking.
They’ll be subject to the same bank, land, asset and property seizure by the IMF, BIS, World Bank as everyone else, the same coerced injections by the WHO, the same damaging 5g frequencies from cell towers and street lights, the same restricted travel and curfews, the same digital panopticon, social credit system run on AI.
So nuclear reactors are a hoax ?
Lol. Get back to me when you’ve read all the Nuke HOAX links and are prepared to admit the WikiLIES hoax.
Then I’ll explain what’s going on in those “nuke” reactors. But not one second before.
I recall reading some of your previous links which listed Alien races in alphabetical order !
The aggregator? Do I have to explain to you for a fourth time what an aggregator is and does?
I noticed you peddled the Satan-Demiurge psyop on this thread.
Which think tank did you work for in Russia?
I also recall your link stating that Wikileaks hadn’t criticised Israel again it was found to be false.
Agreed. Except that some animals would be more equal than others… as in every Communist society ever.
Equal maybe, in terms of losing everything that matters: Rights and property, land, self sufficiency, freedom of expression and individualism, autonomy of thought, labor and deed. It’s just another wealth transfer mechanism.
The Cult of Authority is ultimately a cult of violence, deception, mind control and subjugation.
We are living in extremely perilous times. The psychopaths doing the globalist oligarchs’ bidding are driving the world into an abyss from which most of humanity will not emerge unscathed. Where are the sane people? Why aren’t there demonstrations protests and consumer boycotts throughout the Western world?! Is it only young college students who see the folly and insanity of Gaza. Where are the people who worship a man who said, “Blessed are the peacemakers for they shall be called the children of God.”? Are the masses so somnambulant and Zombified we will allow psychopaths to destroy the world?! The axis of insanity (US,UK, NATO) is calling for direct attacks on Russia territory by Ukraine, does anyone believe such attacks will be tolerated by Putin?!
The world is getting goofier by the minute. This is so absurd, if it weren’t so serious it would be funny.
(4) against? The people who voted down on this obvious sane comment, can you please explain why?
It’s absolute bullshit from start to finish: The media does not exist to inform anyone. The nations (corporations) are centrally controlled. Always have been. If you believe total nonsense that’s your prerogative. But don’t expect others who have actually taken the time and effort to look into the hoaxes that have been played on humanity for millennia to fall for this utter crap.
Piers fucking Morgan, Channel 4 and the Guardian “see the folly and insanity of Gaza”. It’s getting trendy to talk about, like OG pointed up recently (though not strongly enough imo). The bloodshed in Gaza is part of the massive globalist psyop designed to usher in the digital prison. Gaza will be torn apart then rebuilt as a trial and model for the new age cities
Seeing as the man is another big lie based on distorted half-truths, it is no wonder that the worshippers are less than substantial or visible in their response to what they and their handlers have accomplished over the course of 1500 years.
They choose to not only turn the other cheek but also bury head in the sand and pretend it’s all the atheist satanist communists’ doing, which is pretty much what the Inquisition preached.
Whether he was real or a myth nevertheless millions claim to follow him (we know very few of them actually live with intention following his “golden rule” and urging people to love one another) so why is the hypocrisy so blatant and why are they so tolerant of war killing and genocide?
< It’s a long hard road, this anti-war business >
Yes, indeed. But I hear it has a good ending.
“Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God.” — Rabbi Yeshuah of Nazareth, circa 30 AD.
Wouldn’t dispute that one; the greatest Rabbi there was
He was a follower of Rabbi Hillel of Babylon. And has retained his small band of Jewish followers to this day, both in the Diaspora and in modern Israel; they call themselves Jews for Jesus.
As Edward Curtain says, the peacemaker’s path is a long hard road.
Nazareth didn’t exist in 30AD…
jesusneverexisted.com
According to whom ?
There are questions as to whether a village or town called Nazareth actually existed. Some say it was invented and created after the Roman’s took over the cult/religion that focused on Yeshua bar Joseph but which was greatly influenced by Saul of Tarsus and subsequent “Church Fathers” at their councils, synods, conferences etc. that blended Egyptian and Asian mythologies with Judaic myths and concepts.
Don’t forget to include Greek philosophy (especially Plato), Greek Logic (especially The Logos), Greek mytho-Logies (especially Zeus Sabaoth the Saviour), Greek ethics (especially the simple-lifer Stoics) and Greek culture (such as domed churches) in that mix.
Stay in your Purgatorium long enough and you may learn something better than neverexisted.com.
I guess the term ‘the world’ should be defined more carefully, Mr Curtin.
‘If’ nuclear war occurs, it seems highly unlikely to me that there will be nuking of South America, of Southern Africa. I tend to doubt that Indonesia will be nuked and I tend to doubt that Nepal will be nuked.
So that tells us that plenty of humans will survive an initial nuclear holocaust, the real question will be whether the nutcases actually do sufficient damage to the earth’s atmosphere that growing crops becomes a problem even in the tropics and subtropics?
The peoples of North America, Europe and parts of Eurasia (Russia and China) may be the big power players right now, but they aren’t the majority of the world’s population.
And even if they were, if one billion people survived both the holocaust and the ‘nuclear winter’, that would still be a species considerably greater in number than probably existed two thousand years ago.
You may have noted all the globalist billionaires buying ‘bolt holes’ in New Zealand.
I do wonder whether Mr Putin might be nasty enough to malignantly target those places, just so that the billionaires don’t survive?
If you want to stop forever wars, you have to stop not only those that inflame them, but also those that made billions playing the game.
Mr Putin singled out ‘small, densely populated’ nations –
Us’ vassal states…In so doing, he signaled his nuclear
warning strategy to the USA – he’ll knock out one or two
of these as a warning to the USA that he means business…
And if that doesnt deter the USA, there’s Mr Putin’s
nuclear armed submarines waiting off the USA coasts…
(Hawaii sits alone as a nice target- and Ms Oprah, a noted
millionaire has a nuclear bunker there)…
Oprah billionaire. Fixed. Wrong strategy Mr. Putin. Nothing will deter a psychopath. As said many times, the Vietcong strategy is the only way.
Take a knife in your kitchen and drive all Americans and Brits out of the country m2 per m2 until they run to the waiting helicopter in shorts and bath slippers with a plastic bag full of porn movies and local artifacts.
The asteroid which killed the dinosaurs cleared a terrain for insignificant shrew-like creatures, that did not eat much, to emerge and become us. I do not believe that a modern nuclear holocaust would be as destructive as that asteroid.
But even if the PTB nuked everything on Earth’s surface, dolfins would continue intelligent life underwater. One scientist even proposed that Homo Sap survived a catastrope by standing up to his-and-her necks in the sea: which is why we mate face to face — like dolfins.
“There is the Sea, and who can empty it?” — Aeschyles, The Agamemnon.
Prepare for war, and the rise of Donald Trump.
https://www.martinvrijland.nl/en/news-analyses/alex-jones-bereidt-de-massa-voor-op-gevechten-voor-messias-trump/
Hoo wee! Someone has been hittin’ the bottle pretty hard!
A sign is a symptom of a disease—or dis-ease—one that zen buddhism diagnosed millennia ago…. The transformation of sense-perception (vijnana-parinamo) is linguistic. Hence, all knowing (-jnana) is dualistic–as split (vi-)–and evolves, revolves, and returns (parinamo) as the selfsame as continually elevated above the rest…. And we called the essential superiority “ego-self-soul-mind-psyche-consciousness” taken as permanent identity (atman).
Correct diagnosis makes for easy solutions—anatman…. Non-ego, non-self, non-soul…. No split-mind, no split-consciousness, no self, no other…. Peace, harmony, compassion, generosity, giving spontaneity…. True knowledge-building as contributory wisdom…. Outside the reification and separation by discriminatory split-consciousness there is no self-caused egoification as enmification:
That is, all in the head. The superimposition of split-consciousness on the earth is the only source of earth-alienation, world-alienation, enmification and war. It is a simple enough diagnostic solution as potentially curative, one echoed by modern non-buddhist thinkers such as Korzybski. Only the inherent tensions of trying to elucidate the fact that all self/other grammatical constructions are at least minimally pre-violent has meant that a “non-Aristotelian” and “non-identitarian” conceptual metaphoric framework is now probably further than away than when Korzybski, writing a century ago, and Vasubhandu writing a millennia ago, anticipated.
Non-violent understanding as speech may yet prove impossible. We seem to be addicted to the identification, enmification, separation, discrimination innate in the logos of the language as grammatical, fanatical, and eventually climactic …. All because the copulae—‘being’ functioning in many ways as absolute—said so …. over and over as the voice in the head.
Even the article above is written from an implicitly and explicitly “us/them” metaphoricity and aesthetics of division. Any “joined-up” thinking will tend toward whole earth metabolic processes and nondualised holism which is anathema to ‘us’ as “disingenuous”. So is dualistic enmity, division, separability “ingenuous” as “honourably straightforward”?
If the algorithms of aggression cannot be linked to the grammatical logos, then the transgression of national boundaries can surely be linked to economic lifestyle status assumed by arrogation of their property as rightfully our property? You don’t think the First World was built on liberalised free-trade alone?
In order to end war, enmity, expansion, expropriation, extraction and so on we have to live within natural limitation of the earth and produce what we need to consume for ourselves. It ain’t rocket science. The origin of barbarism (barboros) means self-identification—ingenuous (ingenuu) as native with all the virtues of freeborn people—and expropriation from those who are deemed foreign…. Which is also written into to the barbarism of grammar. The genesis of war is therefore in our mother-tongue metaphors taken as really separating ‘us’ from ‘them’ by speech; which is only symbolic reification and self-invested identification in enmified nothingness.
Very interesting exposition of the Buddhist position. But as a non-Buddhist with some tenderfoot biological qualifications, I believe War preceded articulate speech and conceptual “reification” by at least a hundred million years. Ants were the first social beings, and they make war.
“From war, famine and disease, from the wasteful blundering and unspeakable cruelty of Nature, arose beings most wonderful while this old Earth was spinning around its axes.
“All things arise from Strife” — Heraclitus, pre-Socratic philosopher (late 6th/early 5th-century BC).
If there was a buddha–which is now doubtful–he was thinking 2.5 millennia ago about a problem that was already ancient. If ants waging war is not “ant-ropomorphism! (!) then they do engage in conflict… but not world wars; and they do not organise all colonies in a eusocial metropolis as world economy. Only the anthropos does that.
Yogacara is known as the “Third Turning” because the teaching of the apocryphal buddha had become degenerate. Asanga and his brother Vasubandhu are largely accredited with revitalising the dharma. Very broadly, they see the world split into a subjective grasper of experience (grahakatva) and the objective grasped of experience (grahyatva) as the source of suffering, there by obviating all dualism.
Enmification is identification with self and demonisation of other as not-self or even negated non-self (barbarous, subhuman). Dualistic division is not merely split, but value-creating (axiomatic sublimation of self and desublimation of non-self) which is the divisive aesthetic, ethic, political and political valorisation and vitiation value-system we live by. What sort of moral identity do we gain by demonising our enemies one might ask? The answer might be Carl Schmitt’s “Political Theology” ….?
(If you were interested: there is Anancker, Kochumutton and Lusthaus for Yogacara; and Korzybski is still one of the best modern references for how and why language kills. Others include Deleuze and Guattari–especially in the plateau “Four Postulates of Linguistics”–and Humberto Maturana who wrote about language–or “languaging”–from a biological perspective.)
I have been an anti-war activist for a long time. The current ‘world war 3’ rhetoric has arisin because the West has become unable to pursue the regime change operations in the ‘third world’ like before. Covid and then Ukraine brings ‘war’ now much closer to populations that previously watched our exported carnage on TV. Korea, Vietnam, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria, Iraq and all the rest have already experinced WW3….
Well put. Shows how we OffG contributors tend to view events from our little “Anglo Western” corner of this big world.
Anthony, thank you. What’s mindblowing is the (21) down votes. Me thinkeths the Empire’s war-bots have been sent out like a swarm of drones to sweep away the appearance of any anti-war sentiment?
Admins, what’s up here?
Apparently they enabled comment voting because “people asked for it”… the mind boggles! one of the most asinine features of internet 2.0….
Your complete and utter mind control, that’s what’s up. Anti war activists are all voters: so they’re enablers of the cult of authority, media mind control and The Most Dangerous Superstition.
There isn’t a public government on earth. They’re all privately owned and centrally controlled. Meaning all wars are orchestrated, coordinated. And your votes don’t matter and never did. The votes and voters enable the enslavement of humanity to go unchallenged. Policies are made at the supranational level. Decades in advance.
Where’s your shares of US of America Inc? Where’s your stock of whatever state you were born in? Nowhere.
But those corporations, states and federal “governments” own you and your whole family through the Cestui Que Vie trusts.
They also own allodial title to the house you falsely believe you’ve paid off. You’re just a dead slave, lost at sea, with no rights whatsoever and no real property or assets. It can all be seized, bank accounts, 401k, Social Security and it will be, if the central planners get their way.
If they vote for mainstream party politicians, they aren’t really antiwar.
The system itself, is what enables violence, criminality, racketeering, theft, debt slavery and wars so how is someone who wants inside the system, going to change it? They can’t and they don’t want to. They’re lying.
The system of slavery – GOVERNMENT – is the problem, not the shills vying to be candidates.
I agree, but who exactly is the West ?
London and Washington.
Try the City of London and its subsidiaries plus the families behind them.
Probably the Center, but Washington’s State Department is doing the hard work of heavy administration of their satellite countries.
True.
Nuclear war will “never ever happen” until it does actually happen.
Likely as an overreaction or misreaction. Overreaction and misreaction being the main characteristics of modern wars. And not just those involving the US.
Ideally (other than there being no wars at all), a country’s military response should mirror the Justice system. The ‘punishment’ to the offending country matching the magnitude of the initial crime. Unfortunately, that’s rarely the case. As we’ve seen that with 9/11, Russia-Ukraine, Israel-Gaza, with the Covid response and other innumerable conflicts.
3000 or so people perishing in two NY towers clearly merited a response of some sort to the perpetrators, Invasions of Iraq & Afghanistan being completely inappropriate.
Missiles continuously launched on the Donbas regions from Ukraine likewise demanded a response. Provoking Russia vs NATO in Ukraine OTT (on both sides).
A virus circulating in the world that was (at worst) on a par with flu may have legitimately demanded some kind of low level response. Locking the whole world down with enforced maskings & vaccinations … completely OTT.
And possibly even with Israel-Gaza. Whilst the devilish attack of the spirit of ‘hamas’ (= violence, wrong-doing), its inhuman actions against women on Oct.7, , Hamas’s prior building of the Gaza as a direct model of hell (eg 7 layers of tunnels, ‘Hamas’ deriving from ‘Ham’ = ‘heat’; verb form ‘hamas’ also meaning ‘to become warm’, ‘hamas’=88 in Gematria (heth (8)+Mem (30)+Samek (50)), like ‘Gehenna’ (in Hebrew transliteration (gimel (3)+he (5)+nun (40)+nun (40)))…) … and with a Mr. Sinwar in charge of operations (what’s in a name?), a response from the righteous was clearly required…
… BUT the complete razing of Gaza to the ground in response can also legitimately be questioned, as to whether it was OTT or not.
Poke the modern bear and it’s liable to tear you to shreds rather than poke you back in response. Therein lieth the danger to all humanity
Plenty of “George Mc”‘s phoney down-votes, any yet nobody capable of a refuting comment. Kind of revealing
Which is not intended to detract in any way shape or form from “Researcher”‘s arbitrary downvotes of my comments (that ‘everything is fake’ merchant); the profit merchant with ulterior motives… likely apparent to all…
Maybe discuss the ends time prophecy.
I never give down votes since I consider them cowardly. A down vote obliges you to reply with an explanation for your disagreement. And if you’re going to explain then there’s no need for a down vote.
As for your comment above, I glanced at it and didn’t think it notable apart from two things: the Thunderbirds notion of Gaza as Hamas’s Tracy Island which is always worth a giggle but hardly original. The other thing was the mystical number juggling stuff. I figured Edwige might want to tackle that. As for myself, I really couldn’t raise any enthusiasm for it and am only responding now since you insisted on bringing my name in.
So you want me to refute all that Gematri Gehenna Ramalamadingdong? As I said, you need Edwige – i.e. someone who gives a shit.
Fair enough, if you’re not responsible. I certainly wouldn’t expect you to agree with every one (or indeed any) of my comments.
And yet there persists a disparity between inordinate voting and comment content (not just for me), which would seem to require some kind of site explanation.
Otherwise ‘votes’ just appear totally phony, fixed and geared to coincide with an approved narrative.
You work for the government. You post incessant bullshit.
It would HAVE to be an overreaction or a misreaction.
Nuclear war is never an appropriate reaction.
If people are scared, they can attempt to over reaction.
China knows about their history and who did the opium trade to destabilise their country. China knows about the US regime change operation tools and US bached “revolution” in Hong Kong.
Russia knows their history of Sweden, France, Germany 2x, and UK and US all have tried to subdue them killing tens of millions of Russians.
US/EU is scared. They expect revenge for 300 years humiliation, oppression and killing in their Colonies.
Many of the points of this article is correct. Nevertheless, certain aspects have not been touched on. Namely, who is pulling the strings of the US/U.K./ France/ Germany/ 5 eyes/ NATO and to a certain degree the Zionist Apartheid Regime. Well, Professors Sutton, Quigley, Preparata and many authors such Eustace Mullins and Edward G Griffin had very doubt where the control lies. The Central Bankers and the families are, in this realm, the control behind them. Until the general public grasp this, the world will continue on a spiral path of destruction.
Ask Tilly about that one. You are bound to receive another logical explanation.
According to this logic, : Sutton, Quigley, Preparata, Mullins, Griffin et al were in the clutches of the Central Bankers and the controlling families !
Suggested correction ?
“had very little ? doubt”
Thanks, Nick.
This article is bullshit. It’s a disgrace that OG have published it.
That long list of “marginalised” heroes contains –
— at least one phony “alt media” celeb who gets paid $5,000 a month to promote the official fake “alternative” line, including covid fearporn.
— at least 2 “ex-intelligence” assets who clearly do the same as above.
— state-sponsored and funded entities and useful idiots
Nuke war fear porn is the latest move in the planned rollout of global government. They want you scared to death so that when the UN or whoever finally steps in and ‘saves us from the brink’ we’re all just so happy to be alive we agree to any plan presented to us that ‘keeps the world safe’.
Come on Curtin, up your game son. You are actively playing on the globalists side right now whether you know it or not, as is every single person on your “heroes” list.
Yes I noted a few dodgy names in that list of “marginalised” figures. But I’ve come to the conclusion that the new division isn’t between Left and Right but between those who have woken up to what covid (and climate and trans) revealed and those who continue to snooze with the old time theatre. Mr Curtin seems to me to be one of the latter. And I think a tell-tale sign is when they start to get misty eyed over old hippy heroes. Yeah let’s go back to those “old folky days” (this, appropriately enough, from a Neil Young song) and pretend we’re mounting the barricades….. though we’re really concerned about our dramatic hawklike profiles in the morning’s news.
Nicely put sir! “though we’re really concerned about our dramatic hawklike profiles in the morning’s news” – gave me a little chortle. True enough I daresay.
“Dodgy names” do not make for fact. I doubt many of the SYSTEM’s postmodern nihilists realize the Room Full of Mirrors they’ve been projected into. Smashing the mirrors is the only way out.
You seem to know THEIR PLAN. All neatly described and packaged for those whose cognitive dissonance provides a comfortable blanket of reassurance that everything is quite acceptable and amounts to pure globalist theatre. You have my sympathy.
In fairness when the same lads who blew their ‘alternative’ cover by shilling so hard for covid suddenly all start selling another mainstream scare story (ww3! aaarghh!) you should probably have a good think before just getting on the ole bandwagon.
You seem oblivious to how precarious the situation has become. Sleep now.
You mean how precarious we are being told (ad nauseam) it has become.
Like we were told how dangerous covid was.
Did you believe that too?
I don’t think there’s enough genuine difference any more between East and West for real nuclear war to be a real danger any more. They are all working for the same endgame now – which is total control of the human population from cradle to grave.
Btw – MAD has been dismantled years ago, and they have previously admitted it, but now they are trying to gaslight you and make you think it’s 1962 again. Daft. Hundreds of warheads aimed at each other on a hair trigger just isn’t a thing any more. The age of nuke brinkmanship is long over. It’s outmoded. The nuclear arsenals have been depleted. Globalism has taken over and now nuclear war has been reduced to just another meaningless fear-narrative to be deployed.
They want you scared of these ghosts so you won’t notice the real dangers or will welcome them as ‘solutions’ to the ‘nuclear threat’. Imo anyhwo.
Mmm. Wish I had your enthusiasm for that point of view but sorry I just can’t see the Ukrainian situation as some form of Globalist theatre to frighten the masses.
“ The nuclear arsenals have been depleted”
Think again, the Russian Federation has developed a number of new extremely powerful weapons capable of carrying single or multiple warheads. Eg Hypersonic missiles, gliding ballistic missiles, underwater torpedoes or the Sarmat missile.
https://www.naturalnews.com/2023-09-06-russia-satan-2-icbm-on-combat-duty.html
So the nuclear “russian roulette” (pun intended) is just so much theater for the prols? Why not go the Ukrainain front lines to laugh at the show? You can rush past the millions aged 14 – 65 fleeing the concert. Egad!
What’s your point? The psychopaths in charge are totally fine with killing a few people when necessary. They might even do a “limited nuclear exchange” with a few thousand deaths in order to better sell the idea that global government saves lives. The point is the endgame needs to be understood.
Please name the celebrity that is paid $5,000 per month, who pays this person, and name the two “ex-intelligence” assets “who clearly do the same.” And perhaps you would be so kind as to reveal your own name. Come out, come out, whoever you are.
Ok, I wasn’t gonna name names, but since you ask.
Caitlin Johnstone. she gets minimum $5,000 per month from her Patreon alone.
She was deliberately set up as a controlled fake “alt” back in around 2015, with her carefully managed “tell it like it is” persona that never strays too far into challenging the status quo.
Any doubts about her being a phony were put to rest when she started shilling for the covid narrative. The best she can be is an abject moral coward – and that is just the least likely scenario. She has all the hallmarks of managed and controlled “mainstream alt”.
Ray McGovern and Scott Ritter are both “ex” establishment who now sell carefully curated and strictly limited “opposition” narratives.
Pepe Escobar sells the completely discredited and factually nul idea that Russia/China are some type of ideological opposition to the New Normal. This is another curated fake “alt” position and anyone who occupies it is either paid to do so (knowingly or not)or is a dupe.
Vanessa Beeley and Eva Bartlett sell the same schtick.
Why don’t you take off your blinders and just look for yourself? Do you read Iain Davis? He’s one of the few reasons I come here. He does fact-dense analyses of what is really going on in the post-covid world. I don’t see how anyone can read his stuff and still believe in the honesty or acumen of anyone on your list.
EC asked you to name names which you did, however, you provided zero concrete factual evidence to support your claims. Could you be kind enough to provide this !
I can only lead you to water. I can’t make you drink. Not if you prefer KoolAid.
Go check out Caitlin’s Patreon, and remember this is just ONE income stream for her. Check out how she got ‘famous’. Does it look kosher to you? Check out her not so glorious history of dodging the hard questions and signing up to trendy mainstream talking points.
Ray McGovern is “ex-CIA”.
Scott Ritter is “ex-UN”.
Paul Craig Roberts is “ex-White House”.
Craig Murray is “ex-Foreign Office”
Are you not just a little bit curious why so many of our “alts” were “once” in the heart of the establishment?
Are you familiar with Cass Sunstein?
But go ahead, just keep sipping the delish and soothing KoolAid.
I will repeat the question. “ ..you provided zero concrete factual evidence to support your claims. Could you be kind enough to provide this ! “
Because you are unable to provide it, I can only conclude you have been taking lessons from the MSM since their Modus Operandi is frequently to sling slime and smear, without providing any hard proof !
Maybe it would be helpful to specify what factual evidence you’re looking for. Looking at the comment you’re replying to, the only facts it claims – about McGovern etc – are already openly available to the public.
Hmm, according to U.K. criminal law, when an accuser is making the accusations eg “ ..Ray McGovern and Scott Ritter..who now sell carefully curated and strictly limited opposition narratives. “
The onus is on the accuser to provide the incriminating evidence or is the policy here to follow in the MSM footsteps?
Tilly supplied factual statements. I just checked them. You clearly didn’t because you’re not interested in facts but in smug denunciations and pompous self-serving waffle.
Please, be so kind as to provide concrete evidence of the factual statements you have checked rather spouting ad hominem!
These can be checked on Wikipedia:
“Ray McGovern is “ex-CIA”.
Scott Ritter is “ex-UN”.
Paul Craig Roberts is “ex-White House”.
Craig Murray is “ex-Foreign Office”
I see you didn’t read her post in its entirety here is a snippet “.. Ray McGovern and Scott Ritter ..who now sell carefully curated and strictly limited opposition narratives.”
The question stands please provide concrete proof to substantiate the accusations?
I suggest you read this:
https://slavlandchronicles.substack.com/
A scatter gun of accusations eg ” Poroshenko offered Putin the Donbas, Rothschilds control Russia’s oil” but no concrete documented evidence just speculation, rumours and opinions.
Similar to, for example the UK’s super soaraway Sun newspaper !
Direct quotes from the people directly involved, and video of them saying it, are just speculation and rumours?
Not exactly an honest debating taqctic is it (lol)
“ Not exactly and honest debating taqctic..”
Yes, quite, so I see your cited source has
“Quotes out of Context – Selective editing of quotes which can change meanings. Political documentaries designed to discredit an opponent or an opposing political viewpoint often make use of this technique.”
Any of any of these folks work can be imperfect and/or have individually different conflicting opinions or analysis. The truth comes out in the overall as facts adding up to define reality through the “best available information, assiduously sought”.
Y’all certainly seem to know the supposed KoolAid. So what’s your tonic other than nihilism?
They do all this to delude you, to make you live in their fake reality where they are in control. If you refuse to be deluded and refuse to live in their fake reality they’ve failed with you. If everyone refuses to be deluded the failure will be 100%. They can’t proceed with zero consent. It’s a battle for the human mind.
U.K column, Red ice radio, PJW, Infor wars, Freeman fly. Jay dyer, Chris geo Truth frequency radio . Luke shillski. Tim cast, Vice magazine, Unslaved, etc
I could spend all evening and most of the alt media sphere is intelligence” assets faking it as alt media.
That’s always what these folks do. There are no positives or contrary facts to consider. Only deep nihilist black holes consuming reality.
They are like the Emperor with no clothes except they have no hard factual evidence!
It seems your essential opposition to my “bullshit” article is that I listed names of people who have been warning about a potential nuclear war that you consider “fear porn.” Nothing more. I have criticized some of these writers in my writing on other matters and I am well versed on their writing and that of Iain Davis as well. My article is “bullshit” because you don’t agree that there is a real danger of nuclear war. And I am glad you use your real name. It’s what real people do.
“Nothing more”? Tilly goes into detail about some of those names.
Without hard factual evidence!
I only pointed out that Mr Curtin’s claim that Tilly was responding purely because she rejects the danger of nuclear war is not accurate. And that’s a hard factual matter.
I suggest you revise actually what she actually wrote eg “ ..Ray McGovern and Scott Ritter..carefully curated and strictly limited..narratives . “
Moreover, she is slandering people, who have been in the field, without providing any concrete factual evidence to support her assertions.
This is how the MSM operates!
The “carefully curated” and “strictly limited” narratives would require more detail. Since I haven’t read them, she would have to give examples. But I’ve seen the phenomenon many times before e.g. Assange.
Meanwhile you accept that people who “have been in the field” (I.e. who have worked for the very forces we should not trust) are to be taken at face value. That’s what the MSM does.
If they claim to be truthtellers but don’t talk about 9/11 being an inside job or covid being a fake pandemic, if they talk about LIHOP then they’re curating and very obviously strictly limited.
You will note the title of Edward Curtin’s article “ If The wars Go On”. He discusses the very real, very dangerous, very poignant point of a nuclear war.
Furthermore, he cites a litany of people who have first hand experience relating to being in wars and reporting wars. Eg Eva Bartlett reporting from the frontline, note the word frontline, not from the safe secure computer screen, Vanessa Beeley is another example.
Now, they are reporting the wars which seldom if ever reach the Western MSM audience.
Moreover, they are castigated, ostracised and verbally for reporting the events as they physically, in person witness them by the Western Propaganda agencies.It seems you are following in the same footsteps as them!
Unfortunately, one of the reasons that some people refuse to acknowledge there is a very real danger of a nuclear war is the belief that the US/ NATO and the RF are 2 sides of the same coin, namely, the Globalists/ Central Bankers coin.
However, a number of well researched, articles and books, plus the West’s actions refute this notion.
For example, F.W Endgahl wrote an article entitled “ The Real Crime of M. Khordorkovsky” . He stated that “ His real crime is that he a key part of a Western intelligence operation to dismantle and destroy what remains of Russia as functioning state. “
Alex Krainer wrote a very detailed , very well researched account stating why this was taking place and ultimately who controlled the operation.
https://archive.org/details/grand-deception-the-browder-hoax-alex-krainer/page/n241/mode/1up
From the moment the Globalists/ Central Bankers grasped they couldn’t coerce Russia to self destruct, they have put in place a strategy to destroy externally.
Alas, the critics of you article don’t comprehend this.
One of the reasons that some people refuse to acknowledge there is a “very real danger of a nuclear war” is that we have been getting endless scares for the entire duration of our lives about invasions, terrorist attacks, climate catastrophe, the “enemy within”, bugs, diseases etc.
We have also been directed to gish gallop upon gish gallop – interminable charts, graphs, formulae etc, with lots of big words from pontificating supercilious creeps who are so far up their smug self assumed superior shitholes that their heads are now developing piles.
So a sense of cynicism is not only logical but anyone who doesn’t have that sense is either brain dead or a troll.
I don’t know how old you are George, but if you had lived through the Cuban missile crisis, you would realise that burying one’s head in the sand doesn’t make the problem disappear !
Ah yes the Cuban missile crisis again. It’s interesting how we’ve been through so many scares (covid, climate, rehashed old pandemics, reheated war on terror, etc.) And just as they are running out of steam we now get the old chestnut of nuclear war. If the new hits fail, try the old hits.
Are you saying the world was not on the verge of a nuclear war during the Cuban Missile crisis ?
remember your
brainwashingtraining, crawl under your school desk when you hear the siren and you’ll be fine (lol)You have been studying this I see !
Propaganda Techniques (A Summary.) – Politics and Insights
Two points.
•Patreon payments are made (we’re told) by Johnston’s followers. If you seriously believe she would take money from the big end of town, then you’re overdosing on cynicism.
• Johnston did not shill for the Covid narrative. She just chose to go along with it by ignoring it, like many other gutless ‘alternative’ journalists.
Like you, they no doubt have mouths to feed and bills to pay.
The plague IS self interest.
It’s been around since humans walked upright.
Wtf? Can you be serious? ‘If I seriously believe she would take money from the big end of town?’ I don’t know anything about her as a person, and neither presumably do you. For all I know she’s arse deep in corruption. Or maybe she honestly does not know who keeps her in the style she’s accustomed to.
All I DO know is she came out of nowhere on a fake-seeming controversy and she dodges on 9/11 and shilled for #metoo and her Patreon remained rock steady and very lucrative even while she was upsetting a lot of her following by refusing to condemn the forcible incarceration and death of thousands of innocent people over a fake virus.
I think she’s fake as fuck. A managed entity now shilling for globalism. But you think what you like.
9/11 and covid are excellent litmus tests.
I know nine eleven and the LOCKDOWN were ops but still value any anti-war action that intends to neutralize the authority and wealth acquisition exploits of the war-mongering Western elite insanity. Y’all are lumping apples, oranges and bananas and making them a blender death potion.
This much I know.
Caitlin speaks from her heart.
Like all of us, she has flaws.
Who are you to judge?
Tolerance is a rare but valuable trait.
Isn’t shilling for covid and just going along with it the same thing?
As far as I know she is not a vaccine shill George.
Her Covid stance is unfortunate but understandable.
You are wrong about CT. And anyone who still pushes the virus delusion or the left vs right narrative you need to be extremely wary of, THEY are the controlled opposition. Just as evil as the controllers, whether they are witting or unwitting tools, they are using divide and conquer and distraction nonsense narratives. They’re leading their audience down a garden path to confusion, disinformation and a false world view. They’re unethical, pathological liars.
Then why bother listening to these ‘alt’ voices? This is what I don’t understand. If they are willing to compromise themselves because “they have mouths to feed etc.” then their analysis will be false in many respects and not worth paying any attention to them.
Here’s the thing though. If one is going to come out loudly as a dissident, as someone who sees through the bullshit narratives and is really interested and driven to reveal corruption, which is NEVER an easy thing to do, then IMHO one cannot use the good old excuse of just going along and ignoring the biggest single examples of just how that corruption works and how it stays in control, ie 911 and most certainly the covidiocy.
If one is only willing to expose the things that are “safe” to discuss, then how in hell does one call oneself a true dissident? Where is the line between going along just to survive, and going along in order to keep one’s own life intact while allowing the corruption to not only continue, but to embed even deeper than it already is? Isn’t that the biggest obstacle to anyone truly investigating and revealing corruption? In order to really do that, do you not have to come out and live dangerously? Doesn’t one assume that risk by claiming to be a dissident in the first place? If we want to hold up JFK, MLK, RFK and Malcom X as the standard, all four of those people knew damned good and well they would be killed by those they were exposing and yet they did that anyway. Some here will say all 4 of those were controlled opposition, and maybe they were, but they still ended up assassinated, no matter who really killed them. The fact that they are dead at the very least points out that they exposed someone, or something, that had the power to silence them.
These people who claim they are working for humanity, trying desperately to save that humanity from a small minority of psychopaths hell bent on destruction, don’t get to retreat to their own little comfortable bubbles after revealing some of it, and leaving their followers to pick up the pieces once the destruction commences. Do they get to say “oh well, sure, I saw what was coming, and I tried to warn you before the big one that I just can’t discuss came along, but at the end I decided to not even heed my own dire warnings about that big one because I have to earn that paycheck to pay my mortgage” while you and yours were out there protesting the lockdowns and mandates that financially fucked your own family. “Why, I’m so sorry about that, but I had bills to pay…. Mistakes were made, after all. Now, be sure to read my latest revealing article, and don’t forget to like, share and hit that donation button!”
As for the necessity to go along to get along in order to feed your own kids, how’s that going to work out when all the corruption that you half ass called out is fully in control of those kids’ lives? Think they’re gonna thank all those who tried just a little but failed due to their own self interest? Those who had a pulpit, who had a voice to scream about what was coming, but just didn’t use it when it really counted because it was too risky. Or far worse, many of these “dissidents” will probably not have to worry at all about how their own kids will fare in our brave new world. They’ve earned those paychecks alright, and most will be handsomely paid for their role in cementing our new reality. No foreclosures or job losses for them.
We don’t get to have it both ways here. Either we go to the wall and fight knowing we will probably lose, or we survive and live with it that we did not try hard enough. All of us sheeple who don’t publicly claim the mantle of dissident will live with that, but at least we never publicly held ourselves up as heroes to be emulated when we were nothing of the kind.
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No one can ‘work for humanity’
That’s a god (small g) delusion.
All we can do live simply so others may simply live.
BTW Lizzy;
What is a ‘true dissident’?
Are you beyond reproach?
BTW, $5K/mo in the US is not even median income, 60k a year. Boy, what a bonanza sellout! Hah!
Especially when small homes in her town are now selling for more than a million + dollars.
No kidding. In most urbanized areas $60k is a paycheck-to-paycheck existence. The cost of every sector on a working income exceeds capacity to produce. We’re being drowned in their bathtub of fraud.
More ocean than bathtub.
Tilly, I forgave you for calling me “an unconscious racist” simply because I object to Israel’s Genocide. But I object to your negative opinion of Scott Ritter, Pepe Escobar, Vanessa Beeley and Eva Bartlett.
These 4 people of proven integrity don’t need me or anyone else to defend them on a Truther site. But it strikes me, there is an obvious commond factor between them my humble self: all 5 of us objected strongly to the Apart-hate policy of Israel — Vanessa and Eva especially — long before the hate-ridden Israeli mindset erupted into open Genocide.
Its because the controlled opposition believe in their own importance.
They are convinced they are the do-gooders, great personalities and therefore deserve 1’st class seats on airplanes travelling around the world and being on the front pages in alternative media.
The true picture would ruin their own perception of themselves, why they refuse to go there. Cognitive dissonance, self-blinded.
They are the best assets an Intelligence Agency can have because they believe in their own self-importance ref. Yuri Bezmenov.
PS – I use my real name. Do you want my street address? Bank details? Voting history? Why? Either I’m right or wrong. That’s all that matters.
Are you going to ask the total anons here who agree with you to “come out whoever you are”?
Don’t think you will, right? People who try to out others are usually trying to bully them out of a minority position they don’t like.
Shame on you. Thought you were better than that.
Hear, hear! Well said, Tilly.
I admire many of your essays, Mr. Curtain. You come across to me as a kind, thoughtful person of conscience. But I am disappointed by your attack on anonymity. There are a few other bloggers I read who also attempt to discredit their supporters/audience for choosing anonymity when expressing themselves. It’s an ugly stain. Don’t worry, though. If the tyrants get their way, we’ll all be forced to “show our papers” for the priviledge of speaking our minds.
https://www.thefire.org/news/anonymous-speech-american-apple-pie
< I am disappointed by your attack on anonymity >
History can name at least 2 high minded thinkers who attacked anonymity.
Solon the Wise (one of the Seven Sages) set up Athenian democracy with people voting in public by open show of hands; and he made it a crime for a citizen to conceal his political opinion.
Wordsworth wrote a poem to protest against modern ballot slips that do not carry the voter’s name.
Very interesting! Not my kind of people, but such is humanity’s struggle; nothing new under the sun, right?
Speaking of the sun and ever so-slightly related, the past 6 months I’ve been learning about the Electric Universe Theory (fascinating!) which led me to a book on the ancients testifying through symbolism and myths together with actual accounts of earth experiencing a series “recent” worldwide catastrophes; and one of the things this author said which struck me was his saying that Aristotle actually believed that anybody who taught catastrophism should be put to death. Wow.
We all live in “interesting times”, don’t we?
Someone threatened Xavier Delacroix with a dirt nap the other day, for discussing the cataclysm plate shift cycles.
I’m not familiar with that name or the science of plate shift cycles. The man I read is Immanuel Velikovsky (“Worlds in Collision”):
https://www.velikovsky.info/
He’s a commenter here. It happened on the bird flu thread. At the very bottom of the page.
The Great Year, Yuga Cycles are punctuated aggradational cycles; regular, recurring, calculable, catastrophic seismic events that the ancient ruling, Generational group (Cult of Saturn) use their knowledge of, to maintain control of humanity through and past each cataclysm, and each astrological age.
Are you referring to a pre Younger Dryas group ?
I’m not ignoring you, Researcher. My response to you has been pending since yesterday afternoon. Maybe ’cause it’s off-topic?
It’s fine. No need to respond. 😉 Many topics and words here are unwelcome.
Strangely enough… I had this link open on one of my browser tabs.
The paragraph below describes two types of cataclysms:
“He maintains that the Earth will burn whenever all the planets, which now have different orbits, converge in cancer and are so arranged in the same path that a straight line can pass through all their orbs, and that there will be a further great flood, when the same planets so converge in Capricorn.”
Precession of the equinoxes.
Finally read it – Interesting reading! The thing is though, according to this guy’s general theory, doesn’t it dismiss swaths of ancient accounts, particularly the various identical drawings/symbols appearing the world over? According to Velikovsky and the expanded theories of the Thunderbolts Project, those testimonies seem to indicate that the ancient sky appeared very differently than what we see now. And even while I say this, I have to admit that I have a hard time completely embracing David Talbott et al’s theory that earth’s first sun was Saturn (but who am I to judge?).
It’s hard to know what’s disinfo, because in every site, text, book, there’s conjecture and likely some misinformation or disinformation (intentional or unintentional). I rarely come across anything that’s 100%. I try to read a number of different theories to get different perspectives.
I just offered the link up because he mentioned Immanuel Velikovsky.
I do know the Cult of Saturn still rule today and have handed down their generational, occulted knowledge over multiple cataclysms. So perhaps the world or universe at one time, wasn’t quite as we see it now. And perhaps the heliocentric model isn’t accurate.
“I try to read a number of different theories to get different perspectives.”
Exactly. It’s the best we can do, that and the golden rule.
Don’t worry rob.
The PTB don’t give a shit about you or me.
They’re too busy killing millions and counting their millions.
Sure, it’s not personal; it’s just that there’s too damn many of us!
Ed, I believe you’ve uncovered those recipients of CIA/FBI counter-counter-counter-intelligence op services, or their SYSTEM equivalents, be they real or bot-ish.
Good on you for replying! Glad to see you read the comments!
It’s such a shame because he has a way with words yet pulls every Masonic hoax and psyop out for every essay.
Certainty is something to be desired and to work toward. Absolute certainty, however, is much too much of a “good thing.”
Forgive me if I find this absolute certainty that everything that seems to be happening in the world is merely part of an orchestrated plan by a few “globalists” laughing and lighting cigars and drinking cognac while they’re busy pulling a thousand strings…to be just a bit too tidy to be true. Reality might be just a tad messier than that.
And when it’s said – again with absolute certainty – that that’s how it’s always been and that the millions of humans over the millennia were merely playing the parts assigned by some behind the scenes cabal; and that the uprisings throughout history were all worked out on paper before they were “allowed” to happen..well, pardon my skepticism.
Not even God has so much power as to dictate every event from scratch.
You’ve nailed it Howard.
Anti-war intent is NOT controlled opposition that is ALWAYS funneled to the SYSTEM’s evil ends. The continued perception of every publicly identified figure to be a paid asset because of a micron of fact, unresearched, has led a large number, here now 49+1, into the neutralization of sanity. These nihilist commenters or bots, (who knows), are comparably consumed by a similar Room Full of Mirrors false reality that consumed the attention of the Situationists. They’ve left themselves nowhere to go. They are consumed by the SYSTEM’s postmodernism that projects itself like neutron bombing of intellect. Bon appetit!
You may not agree with Curtin on some points or some of the merits of the people he cites, but your broad attack on him is unjustified. Do you impugn his motives? He has been what we might call a peace-nik for many decades now, and what he says here is in line with what he has been saying all along. He isn’t a stooge and he isn’t stupid as you seem to suggest. And it is by no means a “disgrace” that it is published here. You want O-G censorship, do you? Every author must toe the line on every point, and who is to be the arbiter of what counts as acceptable speech? You? A committee — I’ve got it! — let’s call it the Red Guard…
As Tilly has the most upvoted comment here, it demonstrates OG’s audience are finally waking up to the divide and conquer, Hegelian Dialectic fallacies these masonic authors peddle day in and day out, as a deliberate attempt to insult the intelligence of their audience. They may have gotten away with this shit before Covid but not anymore.
If we, as witnesses to the frauds of 9-11, 7-7, state created terrorism, and worldwide orchestrated hoaxes like Covid and the climate crisis fraud, can figure out the other psyops and hoaxes like the nonsense of BRICS vs NATO why can’t they? They are either dupes or shills. There’s no third option.
Either way, it’s piss poor and pathetic.
Ahh, Tilly and Researcher the go to, dynamic duo, truth tellers.
Now, where have I heard those kind of claims before?
Lol. Report back here tomorrow with more left vs right masonic lies. And your friendly ASIO shill Caitlin the Masonic Commie Clown.
You and Howard.
You and Bryan.
You and Sociopath.
There’s a definite pattern.
I agree 100% – there is a definite pattern. Namely, a willingness to consider alternate viewpoints.
It may not be as easy as you imagine to pick out the “Masonic Commie Clown” or Clowns. Ascribing infinite power to the Masons could be clowish as well as ignoring what is readily apparent to you.
Granted, longevity does provide an opportunity to accrue far more power than a single lifetime ever could. But it can just as easily result in stagnation and ossification.
You’re a government employee. You order following shill.
You support slavery and tyranny. You misdirect around Freemsonry, push the left right myth and the country versus country hoax. You and your mason pals are obvious AF.
She believes she sees Masons under the bed, in the Walls and probably in her sleep. Meanwhile, whilst attacking anyone who challenges her posts with accusations of being : Putin, Masons, Government, Walt Disney’s little helpers, she cites links which rank alongside Fantastic Tales Comics.
Lol?
I ain’t lolling anywhere.
I’ve got veggies to harvest, music to make, songs to be sung and laughs to be had.
No time for lol- ling.
“Whither thou goest (if you so decide) I will go” Marry me whilst I am yet a tad eligible? x T
Chomsky’s Doomsday Clock is now obsolete. We are as Mr Curtin suggests staring into the black void of a nuclear conflagration. Ever since the formulation of a CIA sponsored NATO the dye has been cast in favour of irrational hatred towards those who are perceived as a threat to American/European ‘democracy’ and its cherished ‘values’ all knowingly contrived by a vile profiteering MIC where continuous war is the very life blood of its existence. So many jobs, so many employed, so much money one needs to exist depend upon it for their own economic survival and like a cancer it has grown deliberately unchecked and as with most cancers the end is inevitable. Perfectly normal, perfectly acceptable especially for the money addicted wealthy few. It’s not our fault they say and we reassure ourselves that its those nasty other people who are threatening us so we must grow our “defence” capabilities and engage in an insane game of nuclear brinkmanship. Western politicians of nearly every persuasion have been sleepwalking down this one way road of mindless stupidity for much too long where diplomacy and negotiation have become unacceptable options to a peaceful resolution. We are now at a critical apex of confrontation where a nuclear exchange becomes inevitable and the nightmare scenario becomes a hellish reality.
If it makes you feel any better I think the plan is the world will be ‘saved’ on the brink of ‘nuclear war’ by some type of emergency pan-national agreement – and we’ll then all ‘demand’ global government to make sure we never get so close to disaster again.
I think that’s why scary nuclear war narratives are everywhere right now and mostly seem so forced and fake. It’s a rollout.
It shouldn’t make you feel better. But maybe it will
The problem with nukes is that it would be imposdible to safeguard “them” so they won’t be used.
They exist, though, and they’re v.v. dangerous so they need to be very careful when ramping things up
Maybe that’s their idea of an adrenalin hit.
Bastards.
Apparently, nuclear roulette is just a Pee Wee’s Playhouse show to them.
They honestly laugh about it behind closed doors because it’s the Great Game. Emphasis on Game.
The nations are all just pawns on the Masonic chess board.
Projected disaster always acts as a lubricant to introduce what would be otherwise unthinkable. On a much smaller scale, John Steppling, who lives in Norway, noticed how, pre-covid, the locals would grumble when the price of petrol went up a kroner e.g. from 10 to 11 per litre. After covid, it skyrocketed to 25 and then slid back down to 22 and everyone said, “Oh it’s so cheap now!” and Steppling would say, “For fuck’s sake it’s twice what it was!”
It’s like the chocolate rations in 1984 ….
And like 1984, the wars are designed to never end.
The cold war was another fraud like “we were always at war with EastAsia”
Keep on dreaming.
Unfortunately, the war in the Ukraine is very real, the horrendous casualties of the Ukrainian army are very real and the fact that U.K./ US/ NATO soldiers are operating very advanced weapons against the Russian Federation and its citizens is absolutely true.
Moreover, the strategic doctrine of the RF is if faced with an existential threat they will use nuclear weapons.
I lived through the Cuban missile crisis and it was only by the grace of God that Armageddon didn’t happen !
By the grace of God; plus a face-saving negotiation between the two Ks. Kennedy agreed to remove some real U$ nukes (from Turkey, if I remember rightly) if Khruschev would pretend to install some Russian nukes in Cuba so that Kennedy could look macho (and distract public attention from what was happening in Turkey) by dramatically compelling the Commie K to climb down in public.
Clever you. Thanks I feel much better now.
So clever Tilly. Thankyou so much I feel much better now.
I agree that it stinks of a global psy-op. It seems evident to myself that just on the basis of a “system of war” run by “masters of war” being unviable if they were to nuke everything to ash. Perpetual warfare and the profits and power it accrues to the psychopaths that run it, is entirely incompatible with all out nuclear conflagration. It’s all about the Strategy of Tension, the use of fear, War-formation psychosis.
I’ve recently been reading a lot about the end times, apocalypse and the second coming of Jesus and if the people who believe in these stories are running things then nuclear war may be their fast track ticket to fulfill those prophesies. Mike Pence, John Bolton, Mike Pompeo to name a few. I am guessing that having a holy war is more than just a fun psy-op in their minds.
I think these individuals are mere puppets. TPTSB place these unhinged sociopaths into prominent positions because they are easy to manipulate and they serve to amplify the morphic-meme of fear, which in turn makes the populace easy to manipulate.
Look up Dominionists who infest US AF. They tried to steal multiple nukes.
They’ve been selling us cures to the diseases they create for 500+ years. That’s the problem that everyone is now realizing including WW3, provoked by 911 and LOCKDOWN disaster capitalism. That people will fall again in line for a globalist peace cure when globalism is an obvious totalitarian failure, is ludicrous. We need a new world sans 1% catastrophism. That’s what i believe EC is calling for, and he’s right.
Correction@SamAdmin2: just add ‘China’ to the list of “(Original)” BRICS members, otherwise Goldman Sachs truly original plan (of WHY2000?) to destabilize the Dollar in decades to come, loses its’ context history wise. It also demonstrates the importance of the role played by Henry Kissinger in targetting Key Chinese Figures in the Strategy of Future C O N T R O L . . .
Of Financial Markets, to come with
Satoshi Nakamoto in due course. Never forget Blackrock ‘s Aladdin was made legal in 1997, therein it existed LONG before it was Legalised and research into Crypto/Digital Banking & Currency equally longstanding, identical to NANOSIM ! This I can confirm firsthand, own eyes & ears, from before Enron’s first royal fukup in Valhalla ’87’, let alone what Enron did in ’97’, the evidence of which , was in WTC7.SEC enquiry.
Which was why Henry the Centurion had to go again, to reaffirm the plan, the science, the Trust and Collective Vision inclusive China, before he snuffed it.
This controlled combined corrupted media circus of censorship & A.i. Propaganda Armoury of Preston Rabl & Martin Sorrell’s design, with Palentir to ‘reboot’, can whip up any Frenzy one might like, within 7 Days & Presidents assassinated: or orchestrate Renditions from the Vatican Bank, never audited for their role in financing Terror & Wars for Resourceful Revolutions…
Turn Turn Turn ? !
Front page of ‘The New Scientist’ says “we’re about to send a partcle back in time”:
https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg26234932-900-quantum-time-travel-the-experiment-to-send-a-particle-into-the-past/
From the same ‘The Science’ (TM) which brought us hiccups can be a covid symptom….
The scientist needed something, and so we got something.
Bugger the particle.
Send the Suiturds back to the Dark Ages.
Yep, quantum theory is as much bullshit as virology….
For sure the scientific Establishment made fools of themselves by falling for Con-19. Nevertheless, I think this experiment is worth trying because I remember reading an article by the great 20thC mathematician Herman Weyl in a volume of Enstein Festschiften circa 1956 . Weyl presented some Relativistic equations which suggested that time travel was possible.
I did not understand Weyl’s equations but was impressed by his conclusion: that a Time Ship might absorb all the energy from the present Universe. So it is just as well that today’s scientists (60 years after the Festschrift) are being ultra cautious: they are going to try sending just one teeny little particle, and note how much energy the experiment absorbs.
From the same page: “Parkinson’s disease could be prevented by a recent tetanus vaccine”. I wonder if this is the same “tetanus” jab WHO and other benefactors gave the “developing world” up to around 2014, rendering 150 million women and girls sterile, besides dead breast-feeding infants.
FWIW, I’m sure the quoted statement is perfectly true– if we concede that one means of preventing Parkinson’s disease is a speedy death. 🤨 💉
The 1st step to breaking the war system is to dismantle the mainstream media. I have no easy suggestions how. At this stage a dictatorship seems the only thing that can destroy the racket. With the media gone, then the bankers and ‘leaders’ can be dealt with.
Eric Bogle says it perfectly and poignantly:
Visit any town in France and go to the war memorial proudly placed in the town square.
There will be a long list of 100s of WW1 victims and next to it an A2 sized plaque for WW11.
the insanity of trench and hand to hand warfare ensured a thinning out of the population. As did plague and famine.
All three still claim countless lives worldwide.
Aren’t all three part of the ecosytem ?
Aren’t all three inevitable ?
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Given the human condition I’m inclined to think they are.
Trench warfare has been one of the most popular warfare techniques of all time. Even today all governments hail and praise it. 😋