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If The Wars Go On

Edward Curtin

I suppose my title could have been couched in the singular form, as Hermann Hesse, the Nobel Prize winning German/Swiss author, did with his collection of anti-war essays about World War I (the war to end all wars that didn’t), If The War Goes On . . .  

Or more appropriately, I might have eliminated that conditional “If” since it seems Pollyannish.

It’s a long hard road, this anti-war business.  During the first Cold War and the 1962 Cuban Missile Crisis in the early sixties when Kennedy and Krushchev narrowly avoided blowing the world to smithereens, Bob Dylan put it right in his fierce song, Masters of War:

Come, you masters of war
You that build the big guns
You that build the death planes
You that build all the bombs
You that hide behind walls
You that hide behind desks
I just want you to know
I can see through your masks

Like Judas of old
You lie and deceive
A world war can be won
You want me to believe
But I see through your eyes
And I see through your brain
Like I see through the water
That runs down my drain

Indeed there is a system of war that guarantees that the various wars go on and on ad infinitum, and they are linked.  It is why the warfare state has killed our anti-war leaders, first and foremost JFK for turning against war in the last year of his presidency.  Then in 1968, Martin Luther King, Jr. and Bobby Kennedy in quick succession.

It is why if you dare to look around the world today, you will see that there is a series of wars happening, not only in the obvious places like Ukraine and Gaza, but in places that you may never have heard of, and if you peek a bit further into their causes, you will discover that a familiar culprit with 750 plus military bases around the world has its hand in most of them – the United States of America.

These wars have their cold and hot phases.

There are days when the corporate media let them sleep and other times when the same media wake them a bit, but never enough to wake their readers up to the reality of the deadly game. That is the media’s job as stenographers for the warfare state.  Wars being essentially the health of the state, as Randolph Bourne wrote long ago, they provide vast profits for the military-industrial complex/Wall St., whether they are in preparation or in operation, awake or asleep, hot or cold.

Ray McGovern, the former CIA analyst with a moral conscience, has aptly named this vast interlocking propaganda apparatus the military-industrial-congressional-intelligence-media-academia-think-tank complex, MICIMATT.  It is a complex that blatantly serves the interests of the masters of war who “ain’t worth the blood/that runs in [their] your veins,” in Dylan’s words.

The preparation for war is war.  What is prepared must be used up, so other weapons can be prepared to be used up, so other weapons can be prepared to be used up, and on and on until one day no one is left to use anything, for the world will be used up in a nuclear conflagration.

These weapons are produced in nice clean factories that pay good wages to people who take their pay and go their way, giving their souls to the killers.  For the U.S. economy is built on the waging of wars so continuous that it is nearly impossible to find a break between its hot and cold phases, or what seems like decent employment and the diabolic.  They are so intertwined.  It is a system of capitalistic finance, a revolutionary system that builds to destroy.

The U.S spends nearly $900  billion dollars annually on “defense” spending; this is more than China, Russia, India, Saudi Arabia, the U.K., Germany, France, South Korea, and Japan combined. The USA is a warfare state; it’s as simple as that.  And whether they choose to be aware of it or not, the vast majority of Americans support this killing machine by their insouciance and silence.  That their country is spending up to 2 trillion dollars on modernizing its nuclear weapons disturbs them  not.  It is a death cult.

Some – as I myself have done mistakenly – talk about the “deep state” or some other deceptive phrase that conceals the truth that the official state is the “deep state.”  It stares us in the face, but many refuse to stare it back down.  It is too obvious, standing, as it does, in the way of a life of illusions.

And what is equally apparent today – or should be if one is not asleep – is that because of the war policies of the U.S., the chances of another world war and the use of nuclear weapons is rising by the day.  Despite all its denials to the contrary, the US/NATO is pushing for open warfare with Russia that will involve the use of nuclear weapons.

Our masters of war are pushing us toward a nuclear abyss.

In a recent perceptive article, “Russia and China Have Had Enough,” Pepe Escobar writes truths many prefer not to hear.  That there is no split between Russia and China but the opposite – a rock solid Russia-China strategic partnership and a determination to oppose and defeat the U.S./UK/NATO hybrid war tactics across Eurasia and the Middle East.

That the more these U.S.-led forces attempt to destroy Russia, the more the expanding alliances involved in the Shanghai Cooperative Agreement (SCO) and the expanding BRICS partnerships of emerging economies (originally just Brazil, Russia, India, and then South Africa; now also Egypt, Ethiopia, Iran, United Arab Emirates, with many more countries waiting to join) will gain in power.

In Escobar’s words, “. . . the Global Majority is on the move: Russia is closely cooperating, increasingly, with scores of nations in West Asia, wider Asia, Africa and Latin America.”

Despite this fact, the United States and its allies blithely continue as if their control of the world order is secure.  That they can butcher and badger the world into submission.  The insane are usually deluded, but when they control nuclear weapons, the people of the world need to awaken.

Ray McGovern, a Russia expert, (see raymcgovern.com) has echoed Escobar on the absurdity of the Russian China split; has emphasized how Israel’s genocide of the Palestinians has made it an isolated but desperate pariah state; and how the U.S. war against Russia in Ukraine is leading to the increased use of  U.S. tactical nuclear weapons that could lead to full-scale nuclear war.  He is not alone in this warning.

There are many signs that we are moving toward a nuclear war with calls for U.S./NATO to support more strikes inside Russia, crossing a very dangerous Russian red line.  Russia has made it very clear they will respond.  As politicians of various stripes – French President Macron, NATO Secretary General Stoltenberg, German Chancellor Olaf Scholz, et al. have ecstatically been urging the Biden administration, who needs no urging, to escalate the war in Ukraine by attacking Russia proper (“The time has come for allies to consider whether they should lift some of the restrictions they have put on the use of weapons they have donated to Ukraine,” Stoltenberg told The Economist.), Mike Whitney has written about a recent such attack that should send chills down everyone’s spines –  “Washington Attacks Key Elements of Russia’s Nuclear Umbrella Threatening Entire Global Security Architecture.” – but  since the corporate media ignore it, most will dream away and get their barbecues ready for Fourth of July celebrations.

They and the flag-dressed Dolly Parton can sing all they want about when Johnny comes marching home again, but Dolly and no one will be jolly if there are no homes to march to, no Johnnies marching anywhere but to death, no anything.  Just a wasteland.

Michel Chossudovsky, Ray McGovern, Eva Bartlett, Craig Murray, Patrick Lawrence, Vanessa Beeley, Pepe Escobar, Oliver Stone, Andrew Napolitano, Craig Paul Roberts, Scott Ritter, Chris Hedges, Alastair Crooke, Caitlin Johnstone, Peter Koenig, Finian Cunningham, Diana Johnstone, Lew Rockwell, and so many other sane but marginalized writers whose names I am omitting as I write quickly, are warning us of our closeness to nuclear annihilation.  Cassandras all, I fear.  Marginalized prophets such as writer and antinuclear activist James W. Douglass (Lightning East to West, JFK and the Unspeakable, etc.) have been issuing such warnings for decades.  It is understandable that so many turn away from such warnings, for the thought of a nuclear war induces deep anxiety hard to control.  But unless the vast majority can break through such reticence and see through the official propaganda, the world will be destroyed by madmen sooner or later.  The signs today all point to sooner, for we are on the edge of the abyss.

Former British diplomat Alistair Crooke, in a recent article – The brink of dissolution: Neurosis in the West as the levee breaks – writes about how the Biden administration’s policy toward Russia-China, not to say Israel-Palestine, being nothing more than more of the same, is stupid, self-defeating, and very dangerous.  Rather than accepting that its proxy war against Russia in Ukraine is a disaster, the U.S. is escalating the conflict to a terrifying level.  Rather than accepting the obvious deep alliance between China and Russian exemplified in the recent hug between Putin and Xi and their joint 8,000 word joint statement, Biden has said, “Russia is in a very, very difficult spot right now. They are being squeezed by China.” 

It doesn’t get any stupider.  But when more of the same doesn’t work and you can’t accept the reality of a changing world order, you do more of the same.  Crooke, writes:

The paradox is that Team Biden – wholly inadvertently – is midwifing the birth of a ‘new world’. It is doing so by dint of its crude opposition to parturition. The more the western élites push against the birthing – through ‘saving Zionism’; ‘saving European Ukraine’ and by crushing dissent – perversely they accelerate the foundering of Leviathan.

President Xi’s double farewell hug for President Putin following their 16-17 May summit nonetheless sealed the birth – even the New York Times, with customary self-absorption, termed the warm embrace by Xi as ‘defiance of the West’.

The root of the coming dissolution stems precisely from the shortcoming that the NY Times headline encapsulates in its disdainful labelling of the seismic shift as base anti-westernism.

More of the same, yes, that is Biden’s approach, inflamed regularly by the anti-Russian hatred spewed by The New York Times and its ilk.  It is an obsession bordering on full-fledged madness, yet it is integral to the belief that the U.S. is an empire and will remain one while the rest of the world can go to hell.  Such a mindset is behind the U.S.’s abrogating all the nuclear weapons treaties that provided a semblance of security that nuclear weapons would not be used.

Crooke ends his piece with these sobering words:

Put plainly, with the U.S. unable to exit or to moderate its determination to preserve its hegemony, Lavrov [Sergey Lavrov, Russian Foreign Minister] sees the prospect for increased western weapons provision for Ukraine. The discourse of military escalation is in fashion in Europe (of that there is no doubt); but both in the Middle East and Ukraine, western policy is in deep trouble. There must be doubts whether the West has either the political will, or the internal unity, to pursue this aggressive course. Dragging wars are not traditionally thought to be ‘voter friendly’ when campaigning reaches its peak.

Let me repeat that last understated sentence: “Dragging wars are not traditionally thought to be ‘voter friendly’ when campaigning reaches its peak.”  And so?  More of the same?

Ray McGovern suggests what is more likely:

Israel [is] becoming a dangerous pariah; Ukraine/US/NATO a dangerous loser. As Israel defies the UN, and as the “exceptional” geniuses around Biden ignore Kremlin warnings regarding provocations re Ukraine, the likelihood increases for US use of tactical nukes.

Desperadoes do desperate things.  In Biden and Netanyahu we have two blood-thirsty nihilists at the end of their ropes.  These masters of war make me think that a better title for this piece would have been:

If the World Goes On.

Edward Curtinis an independent writer whose work has appeared widely over many years. His website is edwardcurtin.com and his new book is Seeking Truth in a Country of Lies.

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peter mcloughlin
peter mcloughlin
Jun 4, 2024 11:42 AM

“During the first Cold War and the 1962 Cuban Missile Crisis in the early sixties when Kennedy and Krushchev narrowly avoided blowing the world to smithereens…”
But there is a stark lesson the nuclear powers have not learned from history, a pattern they ignore that their peril. If they continue blindly on the current trajectory humanity will perish https://patternofhistory.wordpress.com/ . Teleologically, they are convinced they know the true outcome of history. But there is only one teleological certainty, which can be summed up in a simple syllogism: every empire eventually faces the war it is trying to avoid; everyone wants to avoid WWIII; therefore that is the state that awaits. Paradoxically, the only chance of avoiding that fate is to accept it, something I explore in my e-pamphlet The Doomsday Syllogism. https://www.candlinandmynard.com/doomsday.html
 

Bryan
Bryan
Jun 4, 2024 9:07 AM

At any one time there are billions of us working across the globe, engaged in all manner of functionally differential practices…. And all that activity is centrally controlled? According to most commentators—it is! If it was, there would be no spontaneity, no creativity, and no chance. The “unpredictability factor” alone rules out centralised rule, as Johnny says below (for 20+ downvotes). So the overly reductive consensus that “19 banking families rule the world” is true, but if and only if us billions agree. Call this by Wittgenstein’s terms, an anthropological “agreement in the form of life.” So what happens if, say, ‘China’ withdraws its agreement? The Chinese economy and the global economy collapse instantaneously as a form of “mutually assured destruction”. Remember, it was ‘China’s” internal development programme—including building all those “ghost cities”—that saved the global economy post 2008. Humans cooperate globally to create an economy of global scale (global… Read more »

ImpObs
ImpObs
Jun 5, 2024 10:25 AM
Reply to  Bryan

Please read one of the books linked below to understand how money works, boom and bust cycles are not natural, they create easy money with low interest loans and we get a boom, then fiscally tighten reducing the supply of money to create a bust, where they buy up the enterprises that were possible in the boom for pennies on the dollar. Money is issued as debt, bearing interest, to private central banks, it doesn’t have to be that way. If governments issued soverign money, debt free, there would be no need for income tax. The bankers fund the economic schools, they brainwash the economists to believe an alternative system would create hyperinfation a la weimar republic, but how did Hitler perform his “Economic Miracle” to make Germany the richest country in Europe starting from nothing? He issued money free of debt outside the privately owned central banking cartels clutches.… Read more »

Bryan
Bryan
Jun 5, 2024 4:59 PM
Reply to  ImpObs

Since Aristotle, money is an agreement between people that something has value. The ‘something’ can be cowrie shells as much as coin. All money, apart from commodity money, is hot air! Right now, our agreement about coin being currency is extremely tenuous, if not yet meaningless. Money is a claim on future energy and matter that if we honour will result in life being destabilised, possible even forfeit. I mean, we have already disposed of nearly all mammalian biodiversity for the love of money. And we have forced 80% of our own kind into poverty to produce our wealth and our bodies. What next? Money does not work. Not for us. Not for biodiversity. Not for life. Bataille, Lotka, Goergescu-Rogen, the Odum’s, Klitgaard and Hall are just some who have shown that money and life are incompatible. It would be good if governments issued sovereign money with or without interest… Read more »

Erik Nielsen
Erik Nielsen
Jun 3, 2024 4:41 PM

BBC has an article about the Geo power balance. Putin is visiting China/Xi with a beggar bowl in his hand. https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c2lekp48n78o .
Quite funny how different we see the world.  😅 .
Putin walking behind Xi, a midget compared to pump iron XI.comment image.webp

Brianberou
Brianberou
Jun 4, 2024 8:16 AM
Reply to  Erik Nielsen

The British Broadcasting ( Propaganda) Company up to their old tricks I see.

From another view.

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Erik Nielsen
Erik Nielsen
Jun 5, 2024 1:57 AM
Reply to  Brianberou

Yeah, they think they are sneaky, but when you know their style it becomes pathetic.

Brianberou
Brianberou
Jun 4, 2024 8:19 AM
Reply to  Erik Nielsen

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Howard
Howard
Jun 3, 2024 3:59 PM

There’s a perspective which seems to be entirely lost on the numerous “critical thinkers” in this forum. First, let me acknowledge that, in keeping with the prevailing perspective in this forum, I might very well be a dupe of the “globalists” – even, God forbid, a “useful idiot” – because I accept things too much at face value. On the other hand – and this is the perspective which is so hard to find here – it is possible that the advocates of the “globalist cabal” idea might very well also be duped by the very ones they’re presenting as the cause of virtually everything that happens in the global arena. This would of course be the “Wizard of Oz” syndrome: ascribing immense powers to someone who in reality has no such power. The power resides, not in their hands, but in the fingers being pointed their way. “Russia: do… Read more »

ImpObs
ImpObs
Jun 3, 2024 8:14 PM
Reply to  Howard

Boris didn’t fly into Kiev when they had agreed a peace deal and say “Oi Ukraine NO” then? Libya didn’t get bombed to smithereens when Gaddafi was about to launch a gold backed Dinar as an alternative, for the whole of Africa, to the international central banking cartel either? Of course nobody said “NATO do THAT” but someone formeted a colour revolution to start the civil war that allowed certain security council members to vote on saying “NATO do THAT”. You think it was really about protecting little brown people from genocide? (lol) Churchill didn’t refuse 16 separate German peace attempts from September 1939-June 1941 after Hitler performed “An economic miracle” by removing germany from the international central banking cartel either? Saddam wasn’t trying to set up alternative payment systems to get away from the dollar before Iraq got bombed to smithereens either. Have you ever read Quigly, Sutton, Smedly… Read more »

mgeo
mgeo
Jun 4, 2024 6:13 AM
Reply to  ImpObs

UN SC did not authorise the invasion and deliberate destruction of Libya. The “superpower” does not wait for any permit. The scrooges have got all the Libyan gold, both from within and abroad.

ImpObs
ImpObs
Jun 4, 2024 9:01 AM
Reply to  mgeo

Of course not, it was supposed to be about a “no fly zone” to “to take all necessary measures to protect civilians under threat of attack in the country” but that was enough to allow them to bomb the country to smithereens

https://press.un.org/en/2011/sc10200.doc.htm

Howard
Howard
Jun 4, 2024 4:02 PM
Reply to  ImpObs

I can easily say “Back at you.” But I won’t. What I will say is that finances are but one part of the totality of society – not even the most important part. History has shown militarism to be the most important part of any “civilized” social structure. And, yes, wars – be they of conquest or defense – must be financed. But are they really all financed by the bankers? or by taxing the people? And, yes, at some point the bankers get into the act. But if the generals should happen to decide the bankers are getting a bit too demanding in their tribute, it’s a small matter when you have an army at your disposal to take what the bankers have and send them packing. Sorry, but the working paradigm of humanity has always been, is still, and will most likely always be “Might Makes Right.” And… Read more »

ImpObs
ImpObs
Jun 4, 2024 5:26 PM
Reply to  Howard

You have to go back to 320BC in anchient history, before the central banking cartel was even a cartel to try to argue the central banking cartel don’t start wars? Yet even Alexander, who was his own banker, funded his wars with loans (lol)

Alexander the great war funding:” The most important source of income, however, were loans. According to Plutarch, Alexander took short-term loans of 1,460 talents.”

https://www.archaeology.wiki/blog/opinion/alexander-the-great-a-very-competent-expert-in-finances/

Now check out Cromwell, who financed him, and why. But it seems you don’t want to read anything, which makes your opinion on this subject devoid of substance, in fact little more than heckling.

Dylan Jones
Dylan Jones
Jun 4, 2024 10:43 PM
Reply to  ImpObs

I recommend “Babylon’s Banksters” for the insight it provides on how banks since ancient times have been behind wars, mercenaries, slavery, mining, and trade (plunder).

ImpObs
ImpObs
Jun 5, 2024 9:54 AM
Reply to  Dylan Jones

Farrel was a little too esoteric for me, still it was a good book, free download here:

https://annas-archive.org/md5/338b8daa532fd460facdfe1f21ef3fc7

The book I recomended below was by Stephen Mitford Goodson, he was part of the families, an outsider on the inside, he was a Director of the S.African Reserve bank, advocated for a state central bank that issued the means of exchange without interest, he was joint founder of the “Abolition of Income Tax and Usery Party” almost won the election, even in a rigged system. He was in hospital for cancer tests when he said to his familiy “Get me out of here they’re poisoning me!” He died that night, the hospital rushed through cremation of his body against the wishes of his family.

A bit about his party and policies here:
https://web.archive.org/web/20120117094722/http:/www.aitup.org.za/

You can download his book here:

https://annas-archive.org/md5/d7bf5e75329fa2e793b246edf6c9522c

Rolling Rock
Rolling Rock
Jun 7, 2024 7:39 PM
Reply to  ImpObs

Thanks for postung these links. I was not aware of these books.

Agree with everything you have said in your comments, except the part about boom/bust cycles.

Market cycles theory from the likes of Hurst and Elliott Wave Theory show how markets move in repetitive patterns and can be used to predict future moves with accuracy years in advance. I believe the Central bankers can delay or extend cycles/waves but the overall human sentiment factor and investor psychology which drives markets they cannot control (yet).

Howard
Howard
Jun 5, 2024 5:28 PM
Reply to  ImpObs

It’s no secret that scholars can dig up material and from it construct a book. “Publish or Perish” is the mantra of modern scholarship. You can find pro’s and con’s on just about any subject. It’s telling, I think, that Covid was what inspired the current round of “They’re all in it together” conclusions. Telling, because a worldwide agreement on something does not indicate ipso facto worldwide collusion. Same with CBDC. There seems to be worldwide agreement to proceed with it; but, again, that fact doesn’t prove all 195 nations are merely puppets of some central cabal. Nor that 195 “leaders” are willing to renounce their separate bailiwicks simply because a couple dozen folks lurking behind a smokescreen command them to. As to loans, what are the bankers going to do if a particular nation goes belly up and cannot repay them? Will they send their tellers in to carry… Read more »

ImpObs
ImpObs
Jun 5, 2024 8:45 PM
Reply to  Howard

Covid inspired they’re all in it togetherness because all the IMF loans came with strings attached enforcing the same agenda worldwide.

Odd that you bring covid up being Mr “because I accept things too much at face value.” How did covid go for all those too much at face value people?

Howard
Howard
Jun 6, 2024 4:37 PM
Reply to  ImpObs

I can’t help believing you’re omitting a crucial factor: the Enforcer. The bankers, the IMF, World Bank – even the global Hedge Funds – require someone to enforce their edicts.

Possibly the Hedge Funds actually have mercenaries on their payroll. Otherwise, all financial entities must have someone on call to apply pressure and even hurting on recalcitrant deadbeat nations.

Face it: that’s where the USA comes in. It is the worldwide Enforcer for the banking cartel. Or is it? Who controls whom? Perhaps – God forbid – the bankers are the puppets of the US rather than vice-versa.

Throughout history, empires have fought and destroyed one another so as to be number one – which suggests there’s something lurking in human nature which drives humans to seek such status.

To me, human nature trumps bankers as the real starter of wars and carriers of evil.

George Mc
George Mc
Jun 3, 2024 8:33 PM
Reply to  Howard

Just as well you’re here to teach all us fools the gospel of good down home sensible pleasant reasonable reason and rational rationality, Howard.

Howard
Howard
Jun 4, 2024 4:06 PM
Reply to  George Mc

Unfortunately, absolute certainty is always in need of a firm rational argument pointing out the possibility of uncertainty.

Clutching at straws
Clutching at straws
Jun 3, 2024 9:43 PM
Reply to  Howard

Howard, looks like your account’s been hacked,mate.

Howard
Howard
Jun 4, 2024 4:08 PM

Oh dear. And Bill Gates and crew promised me if I made my passwords oblique I’d always be safe.

rubberheid
rubberheid
Jun 4, 2024 5:32 PM
Reply to  Howard

who knows?

blackrockvanguard and everyone in the world has taken their shilling?? who knows.

I take your point though, can everyone really be bought? is their no moral integrity out there at all? equally, is there really a set group in charge of everything?? or is it a gang of vile chancers, laughing at us all, with no-one really in charge of anything? a free for all of the morally corrupt? us chattel matter not a jot?

who knows. unfortunately i am inclined to believe the reptilians are terraforming earth and setting up their own lab-grown meat enterprises . . . : )

who knows?

Paul
Paul
Jun 3, 2024 11:39 AM

War is a racket. Therefore it makes sense that there has never been a time when there is no war. It is just a money making and ritualistic killing machine for certain people.

I recommend the ordinary people do not worry about it. What can worry achieve? What can the daily fretting over the latest genocides really achieve? By all means think about it, meditate on it, discuss it. But let it affect your wellbeing as you go about your daily lives? That is pointless. That is what they want.

At the end of the day it is just part of the bread and circuses to keep our souls downcast, beat up, defeated.

Shine the light of the most high wherever you go, regardless of what they do.

The most high will bring them into the most severe judgement.

Johnny
Johnny
Jun 4, 2024 12:44 AM
Reply to  Paul

Excellent advice Paul.

We are what we are at birth, not what we think we are after absorbing the ignorance of others.

Erik Nielsen
Erik Nielsen
Jun 5, 2024 2:13 AM
Reply to  Johnny

Reality always arrive in the middle of the party. https://youtu.be/YouCsxnnMLY

Erik Nielsen
Erik Nielsen
Jun 5, 2024 2:09 AM
Reply to  Paul

Im not sure ordinary people need your recommendation.
All ordinary people I meet in these times have absolutely no worry about anything other than their own comfort zone.
They couldnt dream one minute on doing their part.
South Park “My safe Space”. “You may call me a pussy but I wont hear you in my safe space”. https://youtu.be/sXQkXXBqj_U

Straight Talk
Straight Talk
Jun 3, 2024 11:11 AM

War is dysfunction. People should not be able to make a career out of being dysfunctional failures. The US Empire Isn’t A Government That Runs Nonstop Wars, It’s A Nonstop War That Runs A Government “The wars are not designed to serve the interests of the United States, the United States is designed to serve the interests of the wars. The US as a country is just a source of funding, personnel, resources and diplomatic cover for a nonstop campaign to dominate the planet with mass military violence and the threat thereof.  This campaign is not waged to benefit the American people or their security, but to benefit the loose international alliance of plutocrats and unelected empire managers whose wealth and power are premised on the world order of continuous violence, exploitation and extraction which the campaign of global domination upholds. This campaign of global domination and its manifestations as a… Read more »

Edwige
Edwige
Jun 3, 2024 8:35 AM

War, what is it good for?

Depopulation… looting… generating internal social cohesion… accelerating social engineering… increasing centralised control of the economy… toppling other rulers who’ve gone off-message… redrawing maps… profits for the MIC… creating mass emigration… creating generational trauma… spreading drug addiction… blood sacrifice….

Turns out to be quite a lot – maybe this is why wars keep happening despite almost nobody saying they want them.

rubberheid
rubberheid
Jun 3, 2024 8:31 PM
Reply to  Edwige

depop?? !! gasp edvig, but but you said it was feminism!!!

pick an argument please and be consistent, otherwise go back to the creative writing classes OG endorses.

Sam - Admin2
Admin
Sam - Admin2
Jun 4, 2024 5:38 AM
Reply to  rubberheid

Get her.

niko
niko
Jun 3, 2024 7:26 AM

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Erik Nielsen
Erik Nielsen
Jun 3, 2024 4:36 PM
Reply to  niko

At least they are kept alive by the shepherd. The moment they meet the wolf they are done.
Maybe the sheep arent such a fools at all?

Denny KirkQg
Denny KirkQg
Jun 3, 2024 6:25 PM
Reply to  niko

great quote. Thanks.

Tilly Petersen
Tilly Petersen
Jun 3, 2024 7:16 AM

Just stop. Take a breath. Put aside all your conditioning. All the years of Pavlovian fear-training. THINK for a moment.

Why would any rational person think these East-West tensions, which can disappear in a heartbeat when needed, are any more real than covid?

Why do you think Putin and Xi and Biden could all agree to lie about a virus but absolutely totally not about anything else?

Like they would all agree to ramp up fear rhetoric about a non-existent pandemic to push an agenda, but they would totally NEVER agree to ramp up war rhetoric to push an agenda?

The first one provably happened but the second one is too stupid to even think about?

This is the level of denial needed to believe in the story the mainstream and the controlled alt media are telling us.

Johnny
Johnny
Jun 3, 2024 7:37 AM
Reply to  Tilly Petersen

Stop and think hey?

Okay.

Ten thousand years plus of wars, tribalism, nationalism, jingoism, racism, religion and Mammon and now it has all finished and all the Suiturds are plotting and planning in a cosy little coterie.

Sounds a tad fanciful to me.

Tilly Petersen
Tilly Petersen
Jun 3, 2024 8:05 AM
Reply to  Johnny

But we all SEE THEM “plotting and planning together”. What do you think Agenda 2030 is? What was/is the covid scam? Leaders of the world uniting to promote fake fear, made up stats, bullshit ‘solutions’ involving masks and lockdowns. Every govt barring a few in Africa, getting 100% on board with killing their own people and wiping out small/medium businesses and enriching their oligarchy. You SAW it with your own eyes and ARE SEEING IT NOW. Yet you’re so brainwashed you don’t know what you’re looking at. You’re quaking about totally spurious fear of global war and oblivious to the fact your own govt is openly enacting legislation that will make you a slave, literally owning nothing (your property will be forfeit under climate/environment legislation) and getting your ‘needs’ met by UBI handouts. The changes coming are so huge they need to distract you, soften you up, frighten you, confuse… Read more »

Johnny
Johnny
Jun 3, 2024 9:25 AM
Reply to  Tilly Petersen

Beware the hidden enemy;

Paranoia.

Don’t let em mess with your mind Tilly.
A ghoul behind every door?
Killers in the shadows?
Poison in your food and in the air and water?
The security forces watching, recording and reporting?
All eight billion of us?
Gimme a break.

It’s impossible.
The unpredictability factor is beyond them.
The worldwide vaccine booster hesitancy is proof of that.

Remember; sap rises.

Simon F
Simon F
Jun 3, 2024 9:38 AM
Reply to  Johnny

See now, Johnny, from where I’m sitting (in a Costa in Dublin as it happens, sipping my flat white), Tilly has just described a whole lotta things that actually have happened and are happening, and you dodged all that to ramble on about ‘paranoia’.

That’s a strange response. Not very honest.

Have to say, Johnny lad, from this Costa, you’re looking a lot like an agenda-manager right now.

Johnny
Johnny
Jun 3, 2024 9:46 AM
Reply to  Simon F

How much flat white have you had Simon?
Not a ramble in sight.

Johnny
Johnny
Jun 3, 2024 10:12 AM
Reply to  Simon F

Agenda manager?
Do I get a pay rise?

Gotta be better than the below poverty pension.

Researcher
Researcher
Jun 3, 2024 3:02 PM
Reply to  Simon F

Johnny who appeared here only recently as far as I can tell, because he definitely wasn’t here 2020, 2021 or 2022, pairs up with the major trolls. He rehabilitates them.

His whole shtick seems to be to deny there’s any conspiracies and blames “capitalism.”

There’s been an entire truth movement since 9/11 apparently Johnny is conveniently unaware of.

rubberheid
rubberheid
Jun 3, 2024 8:41 PM
Reply to  Researcher

compared to whom?

admins? geo et al, your own good self sophie? tell us why softest porn Topmoc, that stalker according to OG admins (reportable!!!), is still tolerated here? But if one points out the wanton horror of consumerism your posts are pended forever . . . .?? da fuk.

what about those characters who only pop up when ukr front ain’t going well, there’s at least 3 obvious cunts there, EVERYTIME . .? e.g. et al etc etc, obvious as a chem trail in the morning sky, but still tolerated, nay pinned . . ?? loada shite.

You’re seeming fake as feck R, ‘montae fuk. Try and be reasonable as well as consistent, eh?

: )

Brianberou
Brianberou
Jun 4, 2024 11:10 PM
Reply to  rubberheid

“ 3 obvious..” Right come ahead son !

rubberheid
rubberheid
Jun 5, 2024 1:45 PM
Reply to  Brianberou

is this brian boru or brianberou speaking?

Brianberou
Brianberou
Jun 5, 2024 5:51 PM
Reply to  rubberheid

Tube !

Rolling Rock
Rolling Rock
Jun 3, 2024 10:59 PM
Reply to  Researcher

The controllers want us to blame capitalism for all the world’s woes.

That way the controllers can sneak in communitarianism – currently being enacted at a local government level under the guise of Agenda 2030 – which is nothing more than rebranded communism. Much easier to get people to willingly give up property rights and accept neo-feudalism than to force them to accept it.

I am willingly to bet ‘revolution’ will be sold to us as a next step to that goal. Just as it was in France and Russia, with a pre-packaged ‘solution’ at the back end of it.

Researcher
Researcher
Jun 3, 2024 11:11 PM
Reply to  Rolling Rock

Yep. 100%

Johnny
Johnny
Jun 4, 2024 12:49 AM
Reply to  Researcher

Still searching?
Still haven’t found what you’re looking for?

It’s closer than your breath.

Researcher
Researcher
Jun 4, 2024 1:08 PM
Reply to  Johnny

Go watch some more ASIO disinfo.

Johnny
Johnny
Jun 4, 2024 1:12 PM
Reply to  Researcher

Will it come with cartoons ?
My attention span ain’t what it used to be.

underground poet
underground poet
Jun 3, 2024 11:17 AM
Reply to  Tilly Petersen

Trying to reason with politics is hazardous to ones health.

Do it at your own risk, and I suggest you don’t, b/c it can’t be done.

George Mc
George Mc
Jun 3, 2024 8:35 PM
Reply to  Johnny

Ten thousand years plus? You’ve been around for a long time Johnny!

Johnny
Johnny
Jun 4, 2024 12:53 AM
Reply to  George Mc

I rode a dinosaur to school George.

antonym
antonym
Jun 3, 2024 6:34 AM

I used to fear a nuclear Armageddon, followed by nuclear winters and a Greatest Reset even for the bonkers billionaires hiding in New Zealand bunkers. This was based on my assessment of existing ‘human’ minded sociopaths controlled by asuras /devils gathered in Washington and in Beijing close to some launch codes.
Now I know that fear only attracts the feared, so counterproductive.
Also I want to believe that two ‘new’ groups will prevent this Pralaya: a few humans evolved to a much higher level of consciousness (first step is surrender your ego and its all its desires!) became earthly relay stations for Positive Change, plus old extra-terrestrials focused on preventing nuclear material destroying the global atmosphere.

mgeo
mgeo
Jun 3, 2024 6:01 AM

.. spending up to 2 trillion dollars on modernizing its nuclear weapons disturbs them not.. take their pay and go their way..
This is the benefit of destroying the middle class and tying up the masses in the scrabble for survival. The CIA-driven flood of immigrants at the southern US border is meant to drive down all wages. Those joining them there from China are thugs, con-men, tax evaders, traitors and other miscellaneous scum. It will be a like marriage made in heaven. 

It doesn’t get any stupider.
See the frequent articles in Bloomberg, NYT, etc. The big theme is that China is in big trouble over population, government businesses, real estate, etc. Can one come to believe his own lies?

Any civilization that can cook up “manifest destiny” and “dominion over nature” is doomed.

RKae
RKae
Jun 3, 2024 4:45 AM

I’ve noticed that all my pro-Israel friends laugh at the college “pro-Hamas” demonstrations (everyone who notices the genocide is, to them, pro-Hamas) but, strangely, they never cheer on what Israel is doing. They don’t look at any video of the hell that Israel is making. They just ignore it, live in denial, and focus all their energy on laughing at the college students.

Sonny Raye Hayes
Sonny Raye Hayes
Jun 3, 2024 4:00 AM

These weapons are produced in nice clean factories that pay good wages to people who take their pay and go their way, giving their souls to the killers. 

Good stuff, ED, but it’s more than a matter of people waking up and voicing dissent. At the heart of this horror is also a system of taxation in which those same weapons workers are taxed on their pay, like every one else; to pay for the weapons, their own domination and their own demise. One must be a conscientious objector and refuse to pay war taxes.

les online
les online
Jun 3, 2024 12:43 AM

Distractions, distractions, distractions !!
I’m 50% sold on WW3 – soon – but 50% think it wont happen
before the November USA election, so my thoughts are
distracted by wondering if Biden’s Mob have a False Flag event,
or 0ctober Surprise, up their sleeve to get Biden over the line
ahead of the others, and what could it be, because Biden sure
as hell really needs all the help he can get IMHO…

underground poet
underground poet
Jun 3, 2024 11:22 AM
Reply to  les online

The country is on a steep decline politically, for better or for worse, it can’t be avoided.

Big Al
Big Al
Jun 3, 2024 12:10 AM

Ok, I acknowledge there may or may not be a real or not real danger of nuclear war. Now what?
This all seems rather foolish since we can’t do shit about it anyway.

Veri Tas
Veri Tas
Jun 2, 2024 11:28 PM

I think the notion of a nuclear war threat is similar to the threat of the deadly “virus”. The world’s population must be kept in perpetual fear, and this will be used to justify a first strike by the USA/Nato against Russia.

Hugh O'Neill
Hugh O'Neill
Jun 2, 2024 11:08 PM

I hesitate to join the fray (seeing as Tilly is currently top-voted at 57!). Like many other commenters, I admire Edward Curtin for his consistent, gentle, courageous and eloquent essays. His integrity is palpable and he passes every litmus test I know of (from the sinking of the USS Maine, Lusitania, Pearl Harbour, JFK, USS Liberty, RFK, 9/11 onwards). All of these false flags are still hotly defended by TPTB because they show their complete amorality and will happily murder thousands of their own. It is this willingness to kill their own which shows the truth of their inhumanity. Power corrupts absolutely, whether it be Roman emperors or Roman Popes (the origins of Lord Acton’s axiom). Because TPTB deal in the infinity of lies, it is easy to get lost sometimes (if that is what Tilly is suggesting). It matters not if nuclear bombs were deployed in 1945 because conventional… Read more »

Johnny
Johnny
Jun 3, 2024 1:50 AM
Reply to  Hugh O'Neill

Good onya Hugh.
We are only human after all.

niko
niko
Jun 2, 2024 10:48 PM

“Every time I hear a political speech or I read those of our leaders, I am horrified at having, for years, heard nothing which sounded human. It is always the same words telling the same lies. And the fact that men accept this, that the people’s anger has not destroyed these hollow clowns, strikes me as proof that men attribute no importance to the way they are governed; that they gamble – yes, gamble – with a whole part of their life and their so called ‘vital interests.”

Albert Camus

les online
les online
Jun 2, 2024 11:11 PM
Reply to  niko

There’s a lot of closet eugenicists, all looking forward to
The Next Big Cull (though currently it’s ‘little by little’ –
probably ’til They get up steam)…
Albert is not one of The Usual Suspects, but this quote
sure provides a good argument for A Big Cull…

underground poet
underground poet
Jun 3, 2024 11:32 AM
Reply to  niko

The political game is aimed at the youth who are gullible and willing participants to keep the game relevant, the elders gamble or avoid the rigged game as knowledge is acquired and used to further ones own goals.

But in the end the horror arrives to end the current game and begin another one, in so far a vain attempt to reach a visual utopia.

Big Al
Big Al
Jun 2, 2024 9:26 PM

I’ve noticed Donald Trump wants a trillion plus per year DOD budget to build up America’s “power”, so, he says, there will be no more war. His supporters are buying that, just like they buy the stance that he might have spearheaded Operation Warpspeed but “he didn’t require lockdowns and mandates”. I guess they’ll be disappointed on both counts if Trump gets elected again.

Tilly Petersen
Tilly Petersen
Jun 3, 2024 8:21 AM
Reply to  Big Al

Interesting. I think ‘no more war’ is going to be one way globalism is sold in its various guises

underground poet
underground poet
Jun 3, 2024 11:35 AM
Reply to  Big Al

Thats a big wall needed to keep all the zoo critters in, so it could cost a bundle and take a while to make. In the name of defense first, then security second to keep the zoo open.

futurist
futurist
Jun 2, 2024 9:17 PM

Is it me or does it this theme of OG authors either getting wanting there articles retracted or having hissyfits over commentators disagreeing with there manufactured alt media stage heroes or intergalactic space weaponry that doesn’t exist.

shall we remind folks that Ed wrote the article ”you no the fight right was rigged” RE: Biden Trump 2020 and not long after that went on to heavily promote RFK jr as the new god we should bow down and follow.

FALSE PROPHET – ROBERT KENNEDY JR
https://odysee.com/@warren-g:9/Bobby-Tea-Baggers-Is-Bringing-Massive-Transparency:0

Martin Usher
Martin Usher
Jun 2, 2024 9:03 PM

War and preparation for war is a way that capitalism deals with overproduction. It serves numerous purposes — it soaks up productive effort making products that are either useless or destroyed, it has the potential for economic subjugation of others (occupation, reparation by the victors) and at a pinch it also reduces surplus population. What’s not to like about it? We’ve been able to get away with this in the old European countries for so long because of sheer raw power. Other societies might object, might protest or even resist but against raw power they have only the option to submit or be destroyed. Now, though, other societies have figured this out — it can be said “They’re on to us” — and now they’re in a position to directly challenge us. We really only have two choices. One is to mend our ways. The other is to go for… Read more »

George Mc
George Mc
Jun 2, 2024 8:30 PM

Off topic and perhaps pendable?: What the fuck is going on with Naomi Wolf?: https://x.com/naomirwolf/status/1797255227898302478 She agrees with this: Following Christ, Who IS Israel, makes us part of spiritual Israel and ‘inwardly’ a Jew. The apostle Paul speaks to this in Romans, chapter 2. Jesus did not come to create a new religion, rather to be the faithful Son and call the whole world to become part of Israel. Christ IS Israel? Christ did not mean to start a new religion? He wants the whole world to become part of Israel? So the New Testament may as well not have happened! There is no Christianity. There is only Judaism – which is here specifically seen as identical to Israel. The connections with what is happening in Gaza are glaring. So the question is: Who is Naomi hanging out with now? Who is influencing her? And it doesn’t take a genius… Read more »

Vagabard
Vagabard
Jun 2, 2024 10:17 PM
Reply to  George Mc

“Don’t call be Naomi” (somewhere in Ruth).

Naomi is absolutely correct. She’s in opposition to a phenomena known as “Replacement Theology”; the view that the NT church has completely replaced the function of Israel.

Rather she’s advocated the fact that the Church is grafted INTO Israel rather than replacing it (Romans 11 I think)

Jeffrey Strahl
Jeffrey Strahl
Jun 2, 2024 10:23 PM
Reply to  George Mc

She’s a Bobby Jr groupie.

Erik Nielsen
Erik Nielsen
Jun 2, 2024 11:38 PM
Reply to  George Mc

Most people go blind when they see a bunch of dollares. People find all kinds of good excuses on why they suddenly jumped from one opinion to another. Its called cognitive dissonance.

Researcher
Researcher
Jun 3, 2024 2:49 PM
Reply to  George Mc

Lol. Hilarious. She’s always been an operative, pushing the virus is real meme among other non-sense narratives. Both Naomi’s, Wolf and Klein are intelligence assets, both highly promoted in the mainstream media as semi-faux opposition voices, limited hangouts, both pushing the country versus country lie. MKNAOMI. These projects never cease, they are just retooled.

The latest narrative instruction memos from the intel agencies to their controlled opposition voices are to trigger those on the right, the Trump base and evangelicals by using SCRIPTure in the BuyBull and the end times psyop.

purgatorium
purgatorium
Jun 2, 2024 8:06 PM

*Nuclear weapons DO NOT WORK which is why they have never been used* and have not been documented to have been used since occupied Japan, because the hoax would have been revealed.

Hiroshima and Nagasaki were carpet bombed with napalm, mustard gas and good old high explosives. The “radiation poisoning” seen after the attacks was the result of mustard gas, one of the most vile inventions of “science”.

https://mpalmer.heresy.is/webnotes/HR/index.html

It’s another state terror psy-op and anyone who propagates the terror is a victim at best. You literally have no idea what these ( barely) human vultures have or don’t have in their aresenal yet you choose to beleive every apocalyptic thing they say about blowing up the planet 800 times over when they have been proven again and again to create * lies that are too big to fail * ….

Vagabard
Vagabard
Jun 2, 2024 8:36 PM
Reply to  purgatorium

Sure, so I’m guessing we can all go back to sleep, rather than believe in basic physics.

Veri Tas
Veri Tas
Jun 2, 2024 11:08 PM
Reply to  Vagabard

No, I think what purgatorium meant was, show me the proof of nuclear war weapons.

Veri Tas
Veri Tas
Jun 2, 2024 11:12 PM
Reply to  Veri Tas

Take a look at this:

bikini.pdf. – by Miles Mathis

and

Death-Object-Exploding-the-Nuclear-Weapons-Hoax-by-Akio-Nakatani.pdf – by Akio Nakatani

Brianborou
Brianborou
Jun 2, 2024 8:37 PM
Reply to  purgatorium

So nuclear fission is a hoax and therefore, nuclear power stations are producing hoax electricity ?

les online
les online
Jun 2, 2024 11:05 PM
Reply to  Brianborou

That’s silly talk !!
It’s not real ‘lectricity !!

Erik Nielsen
Erik Nielsen
Jun 3, 2024 12:03 AM
Reply to  Brianborou

You thought Nuclear Power Station produced energy? You believed that like you believed in Clima Change and the jabs……………………LOL.
Its as real as the news in Washington Post. Wake up Brian, you live inside the American dream. You are asleep.
Santa Clause is coming through your chimney this Christmas with a pair of socks.

Brianborou.
Brianborou.
Jun 3, 2024 7:59 AM
Reply to  Erik Nielsen

If nuclear power stations don’t produce electricity and nuclear power plants don’t produce power, then countries such as France, which relies heavily on nuclear energy would be unable to run services, food would spoil, medical operations wouldn’t be so widespread and submariners would die.

Unfortunately, the quote about Jesus James Angelton is more applicable to other people ‘ a wilderness of mirrors ‘.

Erik Nielsen
Erik Nielsen
Jun 5, 2024 3:31 AM
Reply to  Brianborou.

I think you are right. I were just adding confusion to the confusion and fake to fake..

Jeffrey Strahl
Jeffrey Strahl
Jun 2, 2024 10:24 PM
Reply to  purgatorium

One plane delivered enough napalm mustard gas and high explosives to do the Hiroshima bombing? And likewise Nagasaki? You must be a salesman.  😂 

Erik Nielsen
Erik Nielsen
Jun 3, 2024 12:10 AM
Reply to  purgatorium
OlyCorvusCaurinus
OlyCorvusCaurinus
Jun 3, 2024 8:13 AM
Reply to  Erik Nielsen

here are 5 more examples. obviously nuclear explosions w/ bombs are just a hoax (TPTB used mustard gas and traditional explosives to make an island disappear in the pacific – operation ivy mike, min 2:22 in YT link below). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_vPAoaRPi2k also here’s a link to the infamous text that people are citing as “proof” (it’s in dr nakatani’s book). his writing is extremely self referential and defensive in nature. the arguments are lame. read it yourself (try page 48 for example, in the link below, when nakatani rambles on about the wright brothers and charles darwin – he’s a genius i tell you !!!). DEATH OBJECT, by Akio Nakatani https://archive.org/details/8d-0de-2/page/n43/mode/2up – – – – then there’s this gem from page 78 of death object, “By analogy, because information relating to the design of nuclear weapons is automatically born classified, i cannot hand you the ‘core’ – the shocking model code… Read more »

Lost in a dark wood
Lost in a dark wood
Jun 2, 2024 8:05 PM

Crying Wolf

https://nypost.com/2022/07/11/nyc-releases-psa-for-residents-in-the-event-of-a-nuclear-attack
NYC releases PSA for residents in the event of a nuclear attack
July 11, 2022

Here pushed by Fox News and Tulsi Gabbard

This leads to the brink of nuclear war with Russia: Tulsi Gabbard
Jul 14, 2022
Fox News

Erik Nielsen
Erik Nielsen
Jun 2, 2024 11:49 PM

Too many have still NOT got all their jabs and boosters, and there is still duffers who refuse to get an Digital ID and a Smart phone and who insist to continue to pay outdated cash.

To these mental disabled technology midget there is only answer: WWIII Nuclear War!
Your LAST chance little boy…..and girl. Do it, or else!

Lost in a dark wood
Lost in a dark wood
Jun 3, 2024 3:21 PM

I’d like to teach the world to sing In perfect harmony https://web.archive.org/web/20220716193053/https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/proxy-war-has-no-exit-strategy This Proxy War Has No Exit Strategy By Tyler Durden Saturday, Jul 16, 2022 – 08:30 pm Authored by Caitlin Johnstone via Medium.com The International Committee of the Democratic Socialists of America has released a statement opposing the US government’s ongoing proxy war in Ukraine, saying the billions being funneled into the military-industrial complex “at a time when ordinary Americans are struggling to pay for housing, groceries, and fuel” is “a slap in the face for working people.” The statement advocates a negotiated settlement for peace, saying continuing to pour weapons into the country will “needlessly prolong the war, resulting in more civilian deaths” and that it “risks escalating and widening the war — up to and including nuclear war.” — https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2022/07/12/rdep-j12.html NYC Emergency Management Department issues Public Service Announcement for nuclear attack David North 12 July 2022… Read more »

sandy
sandy
Jun 2, 2024 7:13 PM

Thank you Mr. Curtin. This is exactly what each Federal politician in America needs to hear is the root perception of a the vast majority of society. The US public are never offered any of the infinite peace options that lead to cooperation-to-succeed rather than the conflict-to-succeed that [Disaster] Capitalism breeds. The infantile good guy vs bad guy false binary is projected upon us like a disease that won’t go away. The root disease that needs a deep cleansing is in the wealth bloated 1%er top office suite of the obsolete capitalist pyramid scheming of the West. I will print this article and send it to my Oregon Senators and Congresscritter. What good it will do may be only in the mind of the staffer that reads it. A seed to grow. But it/they need to hear… “Enough!!!” The settler colonialism mindset that has allowed these fools to take Humanity… Read more »

edward curtin
edward curtin
Jun 2, 2024 6:24 PM

One can make an argument, as writers at O-G have done, that talk of nuclear war is a tactic to distract from a larger Global takeover. While I don’t agree, I respect and appreciate those writers and their perspective. But they argue the issues and don’t call arguments bullshit or besmirch others without evidence. The commentator Tilly has done the latter. Even if, for argument’s sake, I granted Tilly’s point about those she mentions, there remains Michel Chossudovsky, Patrick Lawrence, Oliver Stone, Andrew Napolitano, Chris Hedges, Alastair Crooke, Diana Johnstone, Peter Koenig, Finian Cunningham, Lew Rockwell, and those unnamed. I suppose all these people who have been warning re nuclear war are all shills as well. The issue is simple. Tilly thinks their warnings are all “fear porn” and disagrees with my saying they are not. Calling the article “bullshit” is not an argument. It’s in place of one.

Brianborou
Brianborou
Jun 2, 2024 7:09 PM
Reply to  edward curtin

Well said !

Tilly Petersen
Tilly Petersen
Jun 2, 2024 7:27 PM
Reply to  edward curtin

I told you why I think it’s bullshit. I didn’t just throw the word at you and walk away. It makes me mad to see people like yourself missing the obvious scam.

Chris Hedges is another limited hangout. Sorry. Chossudovsky – maybe not. He’s ok on 9/11.

That’s one acid test isn’t it. If they won’t touch 9/11 or if they talk LIHOP bullshit then they fail the test. Not many on your list get a pass there.

Vagabard
Vagabard
Jun 2, 2024 7:33 PM
Reply to  edward curtin

I wouldn’t take it to heart. For many the only genuine ‘alternative’ is the person in the mirror

Brianborou
Brianborou
Jun 2, 2024 8:39 PM
Reply to  Vagabard

A wildernesses of mirrors is a more suitable term.

susan mullen
susan mullen
Jun 2, 2024 8:55 PM
Reply to  edward curtin

Mr. Curtin, first and foremost these wars are about enslaving and silencing US taxpayers. We’ll never be free unless someone stops the US mob. “The Deep State…considers global conflict as the price to pay for maintaining its largesse from the US taxpayer.

Continuous warfare is its only business product.”…(parag. 4)…11/7/2019, “Deep State on the National Security Council: Colonel Vindman Is an ‘Expert’ With an Agenda,” Strategic Culture, Philip Giraldi…..One political candidate could run on “Making US Neutral Again” as was attempted in 1930s.

Rolling Rock
Rolling Rock
Jun 2, 2024 8:56 PM
Reply to  edward curtin

These alt-media talking heads named in your article do not necessarily all have to be shills, in the sense of being controlled or approved opposition. Some are simply ‘useful’ to the controllers in selling a narrative. Whether wittingly or unwittingly, elements of the alt-media have come to detest the West and its imperialistic nature. These commentators are so blinkered that they see the BRICS/multipolar world as the saviours. The Western puppets continue to add fuel to the fire and in doing so make the BRICS puppets look like heroes. The controlled demolition of the largely economically and morally bankrupt West is increasing support among the global population for the new alternative. The NWO is unfolding before our eyes, as the multipolar world Kissinger laid the foundations for in 1970’s, now rises in prominence. The controllers have set this up perfectly and too many of the so-called awake are falling for… Read more »

mgeo
mgeo
Jun 3, 2024 6:08 AM
Reply to  Rolling Rock

Over 1000 published research papers show that the jabs are harmful. Yet, no one has been punished, those sacked have not been reinstated, there is superficial compensation and the jabs continue even for babies. Enough said.

Gordon McRae
Gordon McRae
Jun 3, 2024 6:12 AM
Reply to  Rolling Rock

I’d like to agree with you and i like your comment but i wonder if there are other large moving parts that over-ride your theory. I won’t try to define those but i think the Covid con and the apparent national responses are not the only factors driving world affairs these days. The impact of new technologies would be one large moving part that is difficult to measure.

Rolling Rock
Rolling Rock
Jun 3, 2024 7:06 AM
Reply to  Gordon McRae

Covid-1984 could have been, either a failed attempt at bringing in vaccine passports (digital ID’s) due to too many people refusing the jabs or it was only the first step, hence the noise around a new scamdemic in the making. The main question is, are the injections designed for depopulation, through the slow motion effects of illnesses including cancer and sterilization or were they to insert nanotechnology as part of the transhumanist agenda? It is clear that the rapid culling of the population was not the aim, since although there have been deaths and injuries and increased excess mortality, it is not such that people are dropping like flies – at least so far. So your point regarding new technologies would fit nicely with transhumanism. It could also be such that if this was the case, then the deaths and injuries are a side effect of injecting naontechnologies and not… Read more »

Researcher
Researcher
Jun 3, 2024 2:06 PM
Reply to  Rolling Rock

It’s likely all 3. They never run an op without multiple objectives.

1) making the slaves a modified, damaged, chipped, sub-race, which is what the transhumanist agenda actually appears to be. Not to extend life or enhance humanity but to permanently damage, chip and weaken the slaves.

2) It’s a track and trace mechanism for the IoB, and it kills off the injected 20/30 years prematurely with strokes, myocarditis, CVD, cancer, and creates infertility. Life shortening injections so no payouts or pensions for the elderly.

3) The vaccine passport trial balloon failed. But ultimately will be achieved with the CBDCs and SMART IDs after the next scamdemic or cyber pandemic.

Rolling Rock
Rolling Rock
Jun 3, 2024 11:05 PM
Reply to  Researcher

Yes, Barry did let the cat out of the bag when he said :

“We’ve now essentially, clinically tested the vaccine on billions of people worldwide”

https://theworldwatch.com/videos/1616783/breaking-obama-confirming-you-were-all-guinea-pigs-in-the-biggest-human-experiment-ever/

Researcher
Researcher
Jun 3, 2024 11:45 PM
Reply to  Rolling Rock

Unbelievable gall. I never saw that.

But it fits, because in 2020, I dug around some government affiliated sites and found Obama’s brain initiative which is an operation of Rockefeller Org, Mitre, IARPA, DARPA, Navy Intel, Air Force Intel and the NIAID, NIH. Now it’s expanding its alliance.

Covid1984 and the tech in the injections is partly a cover story for the brain initiative.

Tilly Petersen
Tilly Petersen
Jun 3, 2024 8:14 AM
Reply to  Rolling Rock

💯

les online
les online
Jun 2, 2024 11:30 PM
Reply to  edward curtin

Putin takes the possibility of a US nuclear attack on
Russia SERIOUSLY…He knows the provocations are
going to continue, even after The Ukraine is neutralised…
He knows Russia was invaded twice, and he saw the
post-Soviet economic carnage The West inflicted…
He’s A Realist…He knows The West will use every
means possible to subordinate Russia; its vast natural
wealth will be just icing on the victory cake…

mgeo
mgeo
Jun 3, 2024 6:14 AM
Reply to  les online

There is a vast IQ difference in the leaderships of China, Russia and US. Thanks to the wonders of multi-party politics that runs on money alone, the US side is dogmatic and barely literate.

Tilly Petersen
Tilly Petersen
Jun 3, 2024 7:24 AM
Reply to  les online

How can you or any of us know what Putin takes seriously? All we know is what the media tell us he takes seriously.

If you listen to them then he took covid seriously and got his family stuck with the clot shot.

Do you believe that too?

Brianberou
Brianberou
Jun 3, 2024 5:44 PM
Reply to  Tilly Petersen

Well, Khordorkovsky, MI6/ CIA / City of London take him very very seriously.

https://www.voltairenet.org/article168007.html

Rolling Rock
Rolling Rock
Jun 3, 2024 8:13 AM
Reply to  les online

What a top chap Mr Putin is. He considerately decided to launch the special military operation in Ukraine just as the Plandemic narrative was falling apart like a cheap suit. How convenient for a narrative switch-a-roo. Instead of winding this operation up in days or weeks, he decided to send in redundant ex-Soviet military hardware and fight WWI style trench warfare for the past 2 plus years. I thought the Russians had an airforce and hypersonic missiles? Vlad also thought it a good idea to allow Vlod and Western leaders to go on photoshoots and walkabouts in central Kiev along with Hollywood zlebs. No flak jackets required nor any fear of being wiped out by a Russian hypersonic, because that is perfectly normal during a ‘war’. Is Russian intelligence absolute shit? Of course it is not. They knew and they sat back, under orders to allow it. The so-called leaders… Read more »

Erik Nielsen
Erik Nielsen
Jun 5, 2024 3:45 AM
Reply to  edward curtin

All right, but what are the arguments then for a nuclear war?

I mean we have seen Russia demonstrate their new hypersonics, calibr, avangard, plus we have seen US generals admitting in public hearings US has no defence again them.
So I find the arguments against a nuclear war as only fear porn for another agenda well founded.

But what would the arguments be for West to make suicide? They cant beat Russia, even further they can beat Russia + China, even further it becomes even more difficult to beat Russia + China + Iran the latest of we have seen also have some hypersonic missiles hitting Israel.
Your majority vote among the controlled opposition stars is group think and not an argument. Just saying.

Erik Nielsen
Erik Nielsen
Jun 5, 2024 1:52 PM
Reply to  Erik Nielsen

But the risk of nuclear war can be realised if Russia, China, Iran decide enough is enough and start it.
I guess this is the fear point of our Western duffers……………..LOL.

el Gallinazo
el Gallinazo
Jun 2, 2024 6:16 PM

What do the purported nuclear bombings of two mid-sized Japanese cities in August of 1945 have in common with the faked Apollo moon landings? Science polymath, Dr. Michael Palmer MD, Ph.D, while not dealing directly with this comparison, gives us knowledge to answer this question. He wrote a 400 page book titled Hiroshima Revisited which builds a case beyond any reasonable doubt that the “nuclear” bombings of these two cities were faked and that their destruction was due to overwhelming aerial bombardment with large conventional bombs, huge quantities of napalm, and mustard gas, the latter being an internationally illegal substance used because it gives a similar clinical appearance to radiation poisoning. Palmer’s book is available expensively as a paperback from Amazon, or a free, downloadable .pdf. While all but the last two chapters were devoted to the presentation of hard physical evidence, the last two chapters were speculation as to how the US… Read more »

el Gallinazo
el Gallinazo
Jun 2, 2024 7:57 PM
Reply to  el Gallinazo

As I mentioned in my post above, Palmer speculated and held the opinion that the primary reason for faking the nuclear weapons regarding the first three explosions was to terrify the global population into permitting a global government to prevent a future nuclear war. I agree with him on this. But as I wrote, the US went with creating this complicated hoax because they could not produce either of the fissionable materials in a timely fashion for any of the bombs. My academic background in chemistry, in which I had a particular interest in nuclear chemistry, has led me to believe that nuclear weapons do exist today and have done so for no less than a year or two after the end of WWII. I do not see any scientific reason that they cannot be produced. That said, I also still believe that they are still being used to terrify… Read more »

Veri Tas
Veri Tas
Jun 2, 2024 11:18 PM
Reply to  el Gallinazo

Why faked? It’s the salami in the pants syndrome, that’s why.

mgeo
mgeo
Jun 3, 2024 6:25 AM
Reply to  el Gallinazo

Also, how did the camera film work at the site of the explosion? Maybe the same way it worked in the extreme temperature and radiation on the Moon.

Dylan Jones
Dylan Jones
Jun 2, 2024 6:01 PM

Some – as I myself have done mistakenly – talk about the “deep state” or some other deceptive phrase that conceals the truth that the official state is the “deep state.

That’s right don’t look at the men behind the curtain. Just look at the facade and stare it down.
Midnight on the doomsday clock already came with the coup on democracy…

“At midnight all the agents and the superhuman crew
Come out and round up everyone that knows more than they do.”
Bob Dylan – Desolation Row
And the White Knight is Talking Backwards iii:
Midnight in the Garden of Good and Evilhttps://hughboone.substack.com/p/and-the-white-knight-is-talking-backwards-bb0

ImpObs
ImpObs
Jun 2, 2024 5:07 PM

Oh please. As if the other “sides” are not equally controlled by the same central userers. Every war since at least the fall of Rome was instigated by the same cartel of global money printers to cement their power. There are no countries left ouside the central banking cartel, Libya was the last and look what happened there, the first action after they were bombed into regime change was to open a new central bank. You’re playing their game, repeating the same pro-anti talking points they seed to cover their tracks. The BRICs white paper was drawn up by Goldman Sachs FFS, get a grip and point the finger where it belongs. Where do they get the “defense” budget from, on all sides, who owns all the central banks globally? That’s where you need to point the finger, that’s who you need to go after, not their lacky in Washington,… Read more »

ImpObs
ImpObs
Jun 2, 2024 8:34 PM
Reply to  ImpObs

BTW Edward, if you want to read the actual book rather than sit through 3.5hrs of quotes from it, here’s a link you can download it from, it’ll make it easier to quote from should you decide to write a useful article about it. I’ve lost count how many good books I’ve read on central banking, monitary reform etc. but I have to say Mitford Goodsons book had some gems in there I’ve never come across in the last 20yrs.

https://annas-archive.org/md5/d7bf5e75329fa2e793b246edf6c9522c

Don’t read the 4th edition if you decide to get the physical book, get an older copy, I’ve heard it’s been heavily redacted.

I would have linked to it on z-libray, where you could get a pdf version, but that domain was recently seazed by the feds and only the onion site is still active, but I’m not linking that.

Lynn Ertell
Lynn Ertell
Jun 2, 2024 4:23 PM

https://youtu.be/Mamvq7LWqRU

What to do when I ask someone the direct question:
“Would you recognize a controlled demolition if you saw one?”,
and they answer “No.”

That’s the moment to shut down the conversation.
Because proceeding any further, would be a waste of time.

Erik Nielsen
Erik Nielsen
Jun 5, 2024 12:23 PM
Reply to  Lynn Ertell

I have another one: “Why does it rain”? If people cant answer that question you have a 10 year psychological case in front of you.

Researcher
Researcher
Jun 2, 2024 4:16 PM

Luckily, nuclear weapons are a hoax, so this is fear porn, just like the viral delusion pushed by the central planners who need the “dead” slaves (under worldwide admiralty called civil or statutory) to believe in the lies of “sovereign nation states”, fake nukes and another staged, orchestrated, coordinated world war, or WEF cyber pandemic generating artificial Chaos, forcing through their New CBDC World Order, under technocratic bio-fascism.

Every secret society, religious or political cult member believe they alone know the truth, that they’ll be spared in the Great Taking. That’s wishful thinking.

They’ll be subject to the same bank, land, asset and property seizure by the IMF, BIS, World Bank as everyone else, the same coerced injections by the WHO, the same damaging 5g frequencies from cell towers and street lights, the same restricted travel and curfews, the same digital panopticon, social credit system run on AI.

Brianborou
Brianborou
Jun 2, 2024 7:10 PM
Reply to  Researcher

So nuclear reactors are a hoax ?

Researcher
Researcher
Jun 2, 2024 9:46 PM
Reply to  Brianborou

Lol. Get back to me when you’ve read all the Nuke HOAX links and are prepared to admit the WikiLIES hoax.

Then I’ll explain what’s going on in those “nuke” reactors. But not one second before.

Brianborou
Brianborou
Jun 2, 2024 10:25 PM
Reply to  Researcher

I recall reading some of your previous links which listed Alien races in alphabetical order !

Researcher
Researcher
Jun 3, 2024 5:46 AM
Reply to  Brianborou

The aggregator? Do I have to explain to you for a fourth time what an aggregator is and does?

I noticed you peddled the Satan-Demiurge psyop on this thread.

Which think tank did you work for in Russia?

Brianberou
Brianberou
Jun 3, 2024 12:44 PM
Reply to  Researcher

I also recall your link stating that Wikileaks hadn’t criticised Israel again it was found to be false.

Veri Tas
Veri Tas
Jun 2, 2024 11:21 PM
Reply to  Researcher

Agreed. Except that some animals would be more equal than others… as in every Communist society ever.

Researcher
Researcher
Jun 2, 2024 11:47 PM
Reply to  Veri Tas

Equal maybe, in terms of losing everything that matters: Rights and property, land, self sufficiency, freedom of expression and individualism, autonomy of thought, labor and deed. It’s just another wealth transfer mechanism.

The Cult of Authority is ultimately a cult of violence, deception, mind control and subjugation.

Junious Ricardo Stanton
Junious Ricardo Stanton
Jun 2, 2024 3:38 PM

We are living in extremely perilous times. The psychopaths doing the globalist oligarchs’ bidding are driving the world into an abyss from which most of humanity will not emerge unscathed. Where are the sane people? Why aren’t there demonstrations protests and consumer boycotts throughout the Western world?! Is it only young college students who see the folly and insanity of Gaza. Where are the people who worship a man who said, “Blessed are the peacemakers for they shall be called the children of God.”? Are the masses so somnambulant and Zombified we will allow psychopaths to destroy the world?! The axis of insanity (US,UK, NATO) is calling for direct attacks on Russia territory by Ukraine, does anyone believe such attacks will be tolerated by Putin?!
The world is getting goofier by the minute. This is so absurd, if it weren’t so serious it would be funny.

sandy
sandy
Jun 2, 2024 7:17 PM

(4) against? The people who voted down on this obvious sane comment, can you please explain why?

Researcher
Researcher
Jun 2, 2024 9:36 PM
Reply to  sandy

It’s absolute bullshit from start to finish: The media does not exist to inform anyone. The nations (corporations) are centrally controlled. Always have been. If you believe total nonsense that’s your prerogative. But don’t expect others who have actually taken the time and effort to look into the hoaxes that have been played on humanity for millennia to fall for this utter crap.

Tilly Petersen
Tilly Petersen
Jun 2, 2024 7:38 PM

Piers fucking Morgan, Channel 4 and the Guardian “see the folly and insanity of Gaza”. It’s getting trendy to talk about, like OG pointed up recently (though not strongly enough imo). The bloodshed in Gaza is part of the massive globalist psyop designed to usher in the digital prison. Gaza will be torn apart then rebuilt as a trial and model for the new age cities

purgatorium
purgatorium
Jun 2, 2024 8:26 PM

Where are the people who worship a man who said, “Blessed are the peacemakers for they shall be called the children of God.”?

Seeing as the man is another big lie based on distorted half-truths, it is no wonder that the worshippers are less than substantial or visible in their response to what they and their handlers have accomplished over the course of 1500 years.

They choose to not only turn the other cheek but also bury head in the sand and pretend it’s all the atheist satanist communists’ doing, which is pretty much what the Inquisition preached.

Junious Ricardo Stanton
Junious Ricardo Stanton
Jun 2, 2024 11:00 PM
Reply to  purgatorium

Whether he was real or a myth nevertheless millions claim to follow him (we know very few of them actually live with intention following his “golden rule” and urging people to love one another) so why is the hypocrisy so blatant and why are they so tolerant of war killing and genocide?

NickM
NickM
Jun 2, 2024 2:52 PM

< It’s a long hard road, this anti-war business >

Yes, indeed. But I hear it has a good ending.

“Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God.” — Rabbi Yeshuah of Nazareth, circa 30 AD.

Vagabard
Vagabard
Jun 2, 2024 7:00 PM
Reply to  NickM

Wouldn’t dispute that one; the greatest Rabbi there was

NickM
NickM
Jun 3, 2024 6:02 AM
Reply to  Vagabard

He was a follower of Rabbi Hillel of Babylon. And has retained his small band of Jewish followers to this day, both in the Diaspora and in modern Israel; they call themselves Jews for Jesus.

As Edward Curtain says, the peacemaker’s path is a long hard road.

purgatorium
purgatorium
Jun 2, 2024 8:28 PM
Reply to  NickM

Nazareth didn’t exist in 30AD…

jesusneverexisted.com

Brianborou
Brianborou
Jun 2, 2024 10:53 PM
Reply to  purgatorium

According to whom ?

Junious Ricardo Stanton
Junious Ricardo Stanton
Jun 2, 2024 11:15 PM
Reply to  purgatorium

There are questions as to whether a village or town called Nazareth actually existed. Some say it was invented and created after the Roman’s took over the cult/religion that focused on Yeshua bar Joseph but which was greatly influenced by Saul of Tarsus and subsequent “Church Fathers” at their councils, synods, conferences etc. that blended Egyptian and Asian mythologies with Judaic myths and concepts.

NickM
NickM
Jun 3, 2024 6:15 AM

Don’t forget to include Greek philosophy (especially Plato), Greek Logic (especially The Logos), Greek mytho-Logies (especially Zeus Sabaoth the Saviour), Greek ethics (especially the simple-lifer Stoics) and Greek culture (such as domed churches) in that mix.

NickM
NickM
Jun 3, 2024 6:04 AM
Reply to  purgatorium

Stay in your Purgatorium long enough and you may learn something better than neverexisted.com.

Rhys Jaggar
Rhys Jaggar
Jun 2, 2024 2:15 PM

I guess the term ‘the world’ should be defined more carefully, Mr Curtin. ‘If’ nuclear war occurs, it seems highly unlikely to me that there will be nuking of South America, of Southern Africa. I tend to doubt that Indonesia will be nuked and I tend to doubt that Nepal will be nuked. So that tells us that plenty of humans will survive an initial nuclear holocaust, the real question will be whether the nutcases actually do sufficient damage to the earth’s atmosphere that growing crops becomes a problem even in the tropics and subtropics? The peoples of North America, Europe and parts of Eurasia (Russia and China) may be the big power players right now, but they aren’t the majority of the world’s population. And even if they were, if one billion people survived both the holocaust and the ‘nuclear winter’, that would still be a species considerably greater… Read more »

les online
les online
Jun 3, 2024 12:00 AM
Reply to  Rhys Jaggar

Mr Putin singled out ‘small, densely populated’ nations –
Us’ vassal states…In so doing, he signaled his nuclear
warning strategy to the USA – he’ll knock out one or two
of these as a warning to the USA that he means business…
And if that doesnt deter the USA, there’s Mr Putin’s
nuclear armed submarines waiting off the USA coasts…
(Hawaii sits alone as a nice target- and Ms Oprah, a noted
millionaire has a nuclear bunker there)…

Erik Nielsen
Erik Nielsen
Jun 5, 2024 1:32 PM
Reply to  les online

Oprah billionaire. Fixed. Wrong strategy Mr. Putin. Nothing will deter a psychopath. As said many times, the Vietcong strategy is the only way.

Take a knife in your kitchen and drive all Americans and Brits out of the country m2 per m2 until they run to the waiting helicopter in shorts and bath slippers with a plastic bag full of porn movies and local artifacts.

NickM
NickM
Jun 3, 2024 6:31 AM
Reply to  Rhys Jaggar

The asteroid which killed the dinosaurs cleared a terrain for insignificant shrew-like creatures, that did not eat much, to emerge and become us. I do not believe that a modern nuclear holocaust would be as destructive as that asteroid.

But even if the PTB nuked everything on Earth’s surface, dolfins would continue intelligent life underwater. One scientist even proposed that Homo Sap survived a catastrope by standing up to his-and-her necks in the sea: which is why we mate face to face — like dolfins.

“There is the Sea, and who can empty it?” — Aeschyles, The Agamemnon.

Syppie
Syppie
Jun 2, 2024 1:39 PM
Sal P
Sal P
Jun 2, 2024 9:31 PM
Reply to  Syppie

Trump will then be embraced by both Jews and Muslims as the expected messiah.

Hoo wee! Someone has been hittin’ the bottle pretty hard!

Bryan
Bryan
Jun 2, 2024 12:53 PM

 The signs today all point to sooner, for we are on the edge of the abyss. A sign is a symptom of a disease—or dis-ease—one that zen buddhism diagnosed millennia ago…. The transformation of sense-perception (vijnana-parinamo) is linguistic. Hence, all knowing (-jnana) is dualistic–as split (vi-)–and evolves, revolves, and returns (parinamo) as the selfsame as continually elevated above the rest…. And we called the essential superiority “ego-self-soul-mind-psyche-consciousness” taken as permanent identity (atman). Correct diagnosis makes for easy solutions—anatman…. Non-ego, non-self, non-soul…. No split-mind, no split-consciousness, no self, no other…. Peace, harmony, compassion, generosity, giving spontaneity…. True knowledge-building as contributory wisdom…. Outside the reification and separation by discriminatory split-consciousness there is no self-caused egoification as enmification: Atma-dharma-upacaro hi vividho yah pravartate/ ​Vijnana-pariname (…)—“the metaphors (upacara) of self and earth (as other), functioning in manifold ways (vividho), take place in the transformation of consciousness (from unified to split-consciousness….) That is, all in… Read more »

NickM
NickM
Jun 2, 2024 3:08 PM
Reply to  Bryan

Very interesting exposition of the Buddhist position. But as a non-Buddhist with some tenderfoot biological qualifications, I believe War preceded articulate speech and conceptual “reification” by at least a hundred million years. Ants were the first social beings, and they make war.

“From war, famine and disease, from the wasteful blundering and unspeakable cruelty of Nature, arose beings most wonderful while this old Earth was spinning around its axes.

“All things arise from Strife” — Heraclitus, pre-Socratic philosopher (late 6th/early 5th-century BC).

Bryan
Bryan
Jun 3, 2024 8:33 AM
Reply to  NickM

If there was a buddha–which is now doubtful–he was thinking 2.5 millennia ago about a problem that was already ancient. If ants waging war is not “ant-ropomorphism! (!) then they do engage in conflict… but not world wars; and they do not organise all colonies in a eusocial metropolis as world economy. Only the anthropos does that. Yogacara is known as the “Third Turning” because the teaching of the apocryphal buddha had become degenerate. Asanga and his brother Vasubandhu are largely accredited with revitalising the dharma. Very broadly, they see the world split into a subjective grasper of experience (grahakatva) and the objective grasped of experience (grahyatva) as the source of suffering, there by obviating all dualism. Enmification is identification with self and demonisation of other as not-self or even negated non-self (barbarous, subhuman). Dualistic division is not merely split, but value-creating (axiomatic sublimation of self and desublimation of non-self)… Read more »

Anthony Murphy
Anthony Murphy
Jun 2, 2024 12:51 PM

I have been an anti-war activist for a long time. The current ‘world war 3’ rhetoric has arisin because the West has become unable to pursue the regime change operations in the ‘third world’ like before. Covid and then Ukraine brings ‘war’ now much closer to populations that previously watched our exported carnage on TV. Korea, Vietnam, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria, Iraq and all the rest have already experinced WW3….

NickM
NickM
Jun 2, 2024 3:51 PM
Reply to  Anthony Murphy

Well put. Shows how we OffG contributors tend to view events from our little “Anglo Western” corner of this big world.

sandy
sandy
Jun 2, 2024 7:26 PM
Reply to  Anthony Murphy

Anthony, thank you. What’s mindblowing is the (21) down votes. Me thinkeths the Empire’s war-bots have been sent out like a swarm of drones to sweep away the appearance of any anti-war sentiment?

Admins, what’s up here?

purgatorium
purgatorium
Jun 2, 2024 8:31 PM
Reply to  sandy

Apparently they enabled comment voting because “people asked for it”… the mind boggles! one of the most asinine features of internet 2.0….

Researcher
Researcher
Jun 2, 2024 10:09 PM
Reply to  sandy

Your complete and utter mind control, that’s what’s up. Anti war activists are all voters: so they’re enablers of the cult of authority, media mind control and The Most Dangerous Superstition. There isn’t a public government on earth. They’re all privately owned and centrally controlled. Meaning all wars are orchestrated, coordinated. And your votes don’t matter and never did. The votes and voters enable the enslavement of humanity to go unchallenged. Policies are made at the supranational level. Decades in advance. Where’s your shares of US of America Inc? Where’s your stock of whatever state you were born in? Nowhere. But those corporations, states and federal “governments” own you and your whole family through the Cestui Que Vie trusts. They also own allodial title to the house you falsely believe you’ve paid off. You’re just a dead slave, lost at sea, with no rights whatsoever and no real property or… Read more »

Big Al
Big Al
Jun 3, 2024 12:07 AM
Reply to  Researcher

If they vote for mainstream party politicians, they aren’t really antiwar.

Researcher
Researcher
Jun 3, 2024 6:53 AM
Reply to  Big Al

The system itself, is what enables violence, criminality, racketeering, theft, debt slavery and wars so how is someone who wants inside the system, going to change it? They can’t and they don’t want to. They’re lying.

The system of slavery – GOVERNMENT – is the problem, not the shills vying to be candidates.

Brianborou
Brianborou
Jun 2, 2024 10:55 PM
Reply to  Anthony Murphy

I agree, but who exactly is the West ?

Erik Nielsen
Erik Nielsen
Jun 5, 2024 1:36 PM
Reply to  Brianborou

London and Washington.

Brianberou
Brianberou
Jun 5, 2024 1:47 PM
Reply to  Erik Nielsen

Try the City of London and its subsidiaries plus the families behind them.

Erik Nielsen
Erik Nielsen
Jun 5, 2024 11:15 PM
Reply to  Brianberou

Probably the Center, but Washington’s State Department is doing the hard work of heavy administration of their satellite countries.

Brianberou
Brianberou
Jun 6, 2024 8:04 AM
Reply to  Erik Nielsen

True.

Vagabard
Vagabard
Jun 2, 2024 12:44 PM

Nuclear war will “never ever happen” until it does actually happen. Likely as an overreaction or misreaction. Overreaction and misreaction being the main characteristics of modern wars. And not just those involving the US. Ideally (other than there being no wars at all), a country’s military response should mirror the Justice system. The ‘punishment’ to the offending country matching the magnitude of the initial crime. Unfortunately, that’s rarely the case. As we’ve seen that with 9/11, Russia-Ukraine, Israel-Gaza, with the Covid response and other innumerable conflicts. 3000 or so people perishing in two NY towers clearly merited a response of some sort to the perpetrators, Invasions of Iraq & Afghanistan being completely inappropriate. Missiles continuously launched on the Donbas regions from Ukraine likewise demanded a response. Provoking Russia vs NATO in Ukraine OTT (on both sides). A virus circulating in the world that was (at worst) on a par with… Read more »

Vagabard
Vagabard
Jun 2, 2024 5:49 PM
Reply to  Vagabard

Plenty of “George Mc”‘s phoney down-votes, any yet nobody capable of a refuting comment. Kind of revealing

Vagabard
Vagabard
Jun 2, 2024 8:07 PM
Reply to  Vagabard

Which is not intended to detract in any way shape or form from “Researcher”‘s arbitrary downvotes of my comments (that ‘everything is fake’ merchant); the profit merchant with ulterior motives… likely apparent to all…

futurist
futurist
Jun 2, 2024 9:34 PM
Reply to  Vagabard

Maybe discuss the ends time prophecy.

George Mc
George Mc
Jun 2, 2024 9:11 PM
Reply to  Vagabard

I never give down votes since I consider them cowardly. A down vote obliges you to reply with an explanation for your disagreement. And if you’re going to explain then there’s no need for a down vote.

As for your comment above, I glanced at it and didn’t think it notable apart from two things: the Thunderbirds notion of Gaza as Hamas’s Tracy Island which is always worth a giggle but hardly original. The other thing was the mystical number juggling stuff. I figured Edwige might want to tackle that. As for myself, I really couldn’t raise any enthusiasm for it and am only responding now since you insisted on bringing my name in.

So you want me to refute all that Gematri Gehenna Ramalamadingdong? As I said, you need Edwige – i.e. someone who gives a shit.

Vagabard
Vagabard
Jun 2, 2024 9:53 PM
Reply to  George Mc

Fair enough, if you’re not responsible. I certainly wouldn’t expect you to agree with every one (or indeed any) of my comments.

And yet there persists a disparity between inordinate voting and comment content (not just for me), which would seem to require some kind of site explanation.

Otherwise ‘votes’ just appear totally phony, fixed and geared to coincide with an approved narrative.

Researcher
Researcher
Jun 2, 2024 10:11 PM
Reply to  Vagabard

You work for the government. You post incessant bullshit.

RKae
RKae
Jun 3, 2024 4:48 AM
Reply to  Vagabard

It would HAVE to be an overreaction or a misreaction.

Nuclear war is never an appropriate reaction.

Erik Nielsen
Erik Nielsen
Jun 5, 2024 11:23 PM
Reply to  RKae

If people are scared, they can attempt to over reaction.
China knows about their history and who did the opium trade to destabilise their country. China knows about the US regime change operation tools and US bached “revolution” in Hong Kong.
Russia knows their history of Sweden, France, Germany 2x, and UK and US all have tried to subdue them killing tens of millions of Russians.

US/EU is scared. They expect revenge for 300 years humiliation, oppression and killing in their Colonies.

Brianborou
Brianborou
Jun 2, 2024 12:34 PM

Many of the points of this article is correct. Nevertheless, certain aspects have not been touched on. Namely, who is pulling the strings of the US/U.K./ France/ Germany/ 5 eyes/ NATO and to a certain degree the Zionist Apartheid Regime. Well, Professors Sutton, Quigley, Preparata and many authors such Eustace Mullins and Edward G Griffin had very doubt where the control lies. The Central Bankers and the families are, in this realm, the control behind them. Until the general public grasp this, the world will continue on a spiral path of destruction.

Grafter
Grafter
Jun 2, 2024 2:45 PM
Reply to  Brianborou

Ask Tilly about that one. You are bound to receive another logical explanation.

Brianborou
Brianborou
Jun 2, 2024 4:29 PM
Reply to  Grafter

According to this logic, : Sutton, Quigley, Preparata, Mullins, Griffin et al were in the clutches of the Central Bankers and the controlling families !

NickM
NickM
Jun 2, 2024 3:16 PM
Reply to  Brianborou

Suggested correction ?
“had very little ? doubt”

Brianborou
Brianborou
Jun 2, 2024 7:12 PM
Reply to  NickM

Thanks, Nick.

Tilly Petersen
Tilly Petersen
Jun 2, 2024 12:05 PM

This article is bullshit. It’s a disgrace that OG have published it. That long list of “marginalised” heroes contains – — at least one phony “alt media” celeb who gets paid $5,000 a month to promote the official fake “alternative” line, including covid fearporn. — at least 2 “ex-intelligence” assets who clearly do the same as above. — state-sponsored and funded entities and useful idiots Nuke war fear porn is the latest move in the planned rollout of global government. They want you scared to death so that when the UN or whoever finally steps in and ‘saves us from the brink’ we’re all just so happy to be alive we agree to any plan presented to us that ‘keeps the world safe’. Come on Curtin, up your game son. You are actively playing on the globalists side right now whether you know it or not, as is every single… Read more »

George Mc
George Mc
Jun 2, 2024 12:27 PM
Reply to  Tilly Petersen

Yes I noted a few dodgy names in that list of “marginalised” figures. But I’ve come to the conclusion that the new division isn’t between Left and Right but between those who have woken up to what covid (and climate and trans) revealed and those who continue to snooze with the old time theatre. Mr Curtin seems to me to be one of the latter. And I think a tell-tale sign is when they start to get misty eyed over old hippy heroes. Yeah let’s go back to those “old folky days” (this, appropriately enough, from a Neil Young song) and pretend we’re mounting the barricades….. though we’re really concerned about our dramatic hawklike profiles in the morning’s news.

Simon F
Simon F
Jun 2, 2024 1:02 PM
Reply to  George Mc

Nicely put sir! “though we’re really concerned about our dramatic hawklike profiles in the morning’s news” – gave me a little chortle. True enough I daresay.

sandy
sandy
Jun 2, 2024 7:46 PM
Reply to  George Mc

“Dodgy names” do not make for fact. I doubt many of the SYSTEM’s postmodern nihilists realize the Room Full of Mirrors they’ve been projected into. Smashing the mirrors is the only way out.

Grafter
Grafter
Jun 2, 2024 12:42 PM
Reply to  Tilly Petersen

You seem to know THEIR PLAN. All neatly described and packaged for those whose cognitive dissonance provides a comfortable blanket of reassurance that everything is quite acceptable and amounts to pure globalist theatre. You have my sympathy.

Simon F
Simon F
Jun 2, 2024 12:58 PM
Reply to  Grafter

In fairness when the same lads who blew their ‘alternative’ cover by shilling so hard for covid suddenly all start selling another mainstream scare story (ww3! aaarghh!) you should probably have a good think before just getting on the ole bandwagon.

Grafter
Grafter
Jun 2, 2024 2:33 PM
Reply to  Simon F

You seem oblivious to how precarious the situation has become. Sleep now.

Tilly Petersen
Tilly Petersen
Jun 2, 2024 3:06 PM
Reply to  Grafter

You mean how precarious we are being told (ad nauseam) it has become. Like we were told how dangerous covid was. Did you believe that too? I don’t think there’s enough genuine difference any more between East and West for real nuclear war to be a real danger any more. They are all working for the same endgame now – which is total control of the human population from cradle to grave. Btw – MAD has been dismantled years ago, and they have previously admitted it, but now they are trying to gaslight you and make you think it’s 1962 again. Daft. Hundreds of warheads aimed at each other on a hair trigger just isn’t a thing any more. The age of nuke brinkmanship is long over. It’s outmoded. The nuclear arsenals have been depleted. Globalism has taken over and now nuclear war has been reduced to just another meaningless… Read more »

Grafter
Grafter
Jun 2, 2024 5:17 PM
Reply to  Tilly Petersen

Mmm. Wish I had your enthusiasm for that point of view but sorry I just can’t see the Ukrainian situation as some form of Globalist theatre to frighten the masses.

Brianborou
Brianborou
Jun 2, 2024 5:59 PM
Reply to  Tilly Petersen

“ The nuclear arsenals have been depleted”

Think again, the Russian Federation has developed a number of new extremely powerful weapons capable of carrying single or multiple warheads. Eg Hypersonic missiles, gliding ballistic missiles, underwater torpedoes or the Sarmat missile.

https://www.naturalnews.com/2023-09-06-russia-satan-2-icbm-on-combat-duty.html

sandy
sandy
Jun 2, 2024 7:53 PM
Reply to  Simon F

So the nuclear “russian roulette” (pun intended) is just so much theater for the prols? Why not go the Ukrainain front lines to laugh at the show? You can rush past the millions aged 14 – 65 fleeing the concert. Egad!

Tilly Petersen
Tilly Petersen
Jun 3, 2024 7:39 AM
Reply to  sandy

What’s your point? The psychopaths in charge are totally fine with killing a few people when necessary. They might even do a “limited nuclear exchange” with a few thousand deaths in order to better sell the idea that global government saves lives. The point is the endgame needs to be understood.

edward curtin
edward curtin
Jun 2, 2024 1:05 PM
Reply to  Tilly Petersen

Please name the celebrity that is paid $5,000 per month, who pays this person, and name the two “ex-intelligence” assets “who clearly do the same.” And perhaps you would be so kind as to reveal your own name. Come out, come out, whoever you are.

Tilly Petersen
Tilly Petersen
Jun 2, 2024 1:30 PM
Reply to  edward curtin

Ok, I wasn’t gonna name names, but since you ask. Caitlin Johnstone. she gets minimum $5,000 per month from her Patreon alone. She was deliberately set up as a controlled fake “alt” back in around 2015, with her carefully managed “tell it like it is” persona that never strays too far into challenging the status quo. Any doubts about her being a phony were put to rest when she started shilling for the covid narrative. The best she can be is an abject moral coward – and that is just the least likely scenario. She has all the hallmarks of managed and controlled “mainstream alt”. Ray McGovern and Scott Ritter are both “ex” establishment who now sell carefully curated and strictly limited “opposition” narratives. Pepe Escobar sells the completely discredited and factually nul idea that Russia/China are some type of ideological opposition to the New Normal. This is another curated… Read more »

Brianborou
Brianborou
Jun 2, 2024 2:05 PM
Reply to  Tilly Petersen

EC asked you to name names which you did, however, you provided zero concrete factual evidence to support your claims. Could you be kind enough to provide this !

Tilly Petersen
Tilly Petersen
Jun 2, 2024 3:36 PM
Reply to  Brianborou

I can only lead you to water. I can’t make you drink. Not if you prefer KoolAid.

Go check out Caitlin’s Patreon, and remember this is just ONE income stream for her. Check out how she got ‘famous’. Does it look kosher to you? Check out her not so glorious history of dodging the hard questions and signing up to trendy mainstream talking points.

Ray McGovern is “ex-CIA”.
Scott Ritter is “ex-UN”.
Paul Craig Roberts is “ex-White House”.
Craig Murray is “ex-Foreign Office”

Are you not just a little bit curious why so many of our “alts” were “once” in the heart of the establishment?

Are you familiar with Cass Sunstein?

But go ahead, just keep sipping the delish and soothing KoolAid.

Brianborou
Brianborou
Jun 2, 2024 4:21 PM
Reply to  Tilly Petersen

I will repeat the question. “ ..you provided zero concrete factual evidence to support your claims. Could you be kind enough to provide this ! “

Because you are unable to provide it, I can only conclude you have been taking lessons from the MSM since their Modus Operandi is frequently to sling slime and smear, without providing any hard proof !

Sophie - Admin1
Admin
Sophie - Admin1
Jun 2, 2024 4:49 PM
Reply to  Brianborou

Maybe it would be helpful to specify what factual evidence you’re looking for. Looking at the comment you’re replying to, the only facts it claims – about McGovern etc – are already openly available to the public.

Brianborou
Brianborou
Jun 2, 2024 5:44 PM

Hmm, according to U.K. criminal law, when an accuser is making the accusations eg “ ..Ray McGovern and Scott Ritter..who now sell carefully curated and strictly limited opposition narratives. “

The onus is on the accuser to provide the incriminating evidence or is the policy here to follow in the MSM footsteps?

George Mc
George Mc
Jun 2, 2024 9:33 PM
Reply to  Brianborou

Tilly supplied factual statements. I just checked them. You clearly didn’t because you’re not interested in facts but in smug denunciations and pompous self-serving waffle.

Brianborou
Brianborou
Jun 2, 2024 10:31 PM
Reply to  George Mc

Please, be so kind as to provide concrete evidence of the factual statements you have checked rather spouting ad hominem!

George Mc
George Mc
Jun 3, 2024 6:10 AM
Reply to  Brianborou

These can be checked on Wikipedia:

“Ray McGovern is “ex-CIA”.
Scott Ritter is “ex-UN”.
Paul Craig Roberts is “ex-White House”.
Craig Murray is “ex-Foreign Office”

Brianborou.
Brianborou.
Jun 3, 2024 8:17 AM
Reply to  George Mc

I see you didn’t read her post in its entirety here is a snippet “.. Ray McGovern and Scott Ritter ..who now sell carefully curated and strictly limited opposition narratives.”

The question stands please provide concrete proof to substantiate the accusations?

ImpObs
ImpObs
Jun 3, 2024 9:47 AM
Reply to  Brianborou.

I suggest you read this:

https://slavlandchronicles.substack.com/

Brianborou.
Brianborou.
Jun 3, 2024 11:45 AM
Reply to  ImpObs

A scatter gun of accusations eg ” Poroshenko offered Putin the Donbas, Rothschilds control Russia’s oil” but no concrete documented evidence just speculation, rumours and opinions.

Similar to, for example the UK’s super soaraway Sun newspaper !

ImpObs
ImpObs
Jun 4, 2024 9:11 AM
Reply to  Brianborou.

Direct quotes from the people directly involved, and video of them saying it, are just speculation and rumours?

Not exactly an honest debating taqctic is it (lol)

Brianberou
Brianberou
Jun 4, 2024 3:22 PM
Reply to  ImpObs

“ Not exactly and honest debating taqctic..”

Yes, quite, so I see your cited source has

“Quotes out of Context – Selective editing of quotes which can change meanings. Political documentaries designed to discredit an opponent or an opposing political viewpoint often make use of this technique.”

sandy
sandy
Jun 2, 2024 8:12 PM
Reply to  Tilly Petersen

Any of any of these folks work can be imperfect and/or have individually different conflicting opinions or analysis. The truth comes out in the overall as facts adding up to define reality through the “best available information, assiduously sought”.

Y’all certainly seem to know the supposed KoolAid. So what’s your tonic other than nihilism?

Tilly Petersen
Tilly Petersen
Jun 3, 2024 8:31 AM
Reply to  sandy

They do all this to delude you, to make you live in their fake reality where they are in control. If you refuse to be deluded and refuse to live in their fake reality they’ve failed with you. If everyone refuses to be deluded the failure will be 100%. They can’t proceed with zero consent. It’s a battle for the human mind.

futurist
futurist
Jun 2, 2024 9:39 PM
Reply to  Tilly Petersen

intelligence” assets

U.K column, Red ice radio, PJW, Infor wars, Freeman fly. Jay dyer, Chris geo Truth frequency radio . Luke shillski. Tim cast, Vice magazine, Unslaved, etc
I could spend all evening and most of the alt media sphere is intelligence” assets faking it as alt media.



sandy
sandy
Jun 2, 2024 8:04 PM
Reply to  Brianborou

That’s always what these folks do. There are no positives or contrary facts to consider. Only deep nihilist black holes consuming reality.

Brianberou
Brianberou
Jun 3, 2024 9:45 AM
Reply to  sandy

They are like the Emperor with no clothes except they have no hard factual evidence!

edward curtin
edward curtin
Jun 2, 2024 2:20 PM
Reply to  Tilly Petersen

It seems your essential opposition to my “bullshit” article is that I listed names of people who have been warning about a potential nuclear war that you consider “fear porn.” Nothing more. I have criticized some of these writers in my writing on other matters and I am well versed on their writing and that of Iain Davis as well. My article is “bullshit” because you don’t agree that there is a real danger of nuclear war. And I am glad you use your real name. It’s what real people do.

George Mc
George Mc
Jun 2, 2024 3:29 PM
Reply to  edward curtin

“Nothing more”? Tilly goes into detail about some of those names.

Brianborou
Brianborou
Jun 2, 2024 4:22 PM
Reply to  George Mc

Without hard factual evidence!

George Mc
George Mc
Jun 2, 2024 9:16 PM
Reply to  Brianborou

I only pointed out that Mr Curtin’s claim that Tilly was responding purely because she rejects the danger of nuclear war is not accurate. And that’s a hard factual matter.

Brianborou
Brianborou
Jun 2, 2024 10:41 PM
Reply to  George Mc

I suggest you revise actually what she actually wrote eg “ ..Ray McGovern and Scott Ritter..carefully curated and strictly limited..narratives . “

Moreover, she is slandering people, who have been in the field, without providing any concrete factual evidence to support her assertions.

This is how the MSM operates!

George Mc
George Mc
Jun 3, 2024 6:20 AM
Reply to  Brianborou

The “carefully curated” and “strictly limited” narratives would require more detail. Since I haven’t read them, she would have to give examples. But I’ve seen the phenomenon many times before e.g. Assange.

Meanwhile you accept that people who “have been in the field” (I.e. who have worked for the very forces we should not trust) are to be taken at face value. That’s what the MSM does.

Tilly Petersen
Tilly Petersen
Jun 3, 2024 7:51 AM
Reply to  Brianborou

If they claim to be truthtellers but don’t talk about 9/11 being an inside job or covid being a fake pandemic, if they talk about LIHOP then they’re curating and very obviously strictly limited.

Brianberou
Brianberou
Jun 3, 2024 9:41 AM
Reply to  Tilly Petersen

You will note the title of Edward Curtin’s article “ If The wars Go On”. He discusses the very real, very dangerous, very poignant point of a nuclear war.

Furthermore, he cites a litany of people who have first hand experience relating to being in wars and reporting wars. Eg Eva Bartlett reporting from the frontline, note the word frontline, not from the safe secure computer screen, Vanessa Beeley is another example.

Now, they are reporting the wars which seldom if ever reach the Western MSM audience.

Moreover, they are castigated, ostracised and verbally for reporting the events as they physically, in person witness them by the Western Propaganda agencies.It seems you are following in the same footsteps as them!

Brianborou
Brianborou
Jun 2, 2024 4:58 PM
Reply to  edward curtin

Unfortunately, one of the reasons that some people refuse to acknowledge there is a very real danger of a nuclear war is the belief that the US/ NATO and the RF are 2 sides of the same coin, namely, the Globalists/ Central Bankers coin. However, a number of well researched, articles and books, plus the West’s actions refute this notion. For example, F.W Endgahl wrote an article entitled “ The Real Crime of M. Khordorkovsky” . He stated that “ His real crime is that he a key part of a Western intelligence operation to dismantle and destroy what remains of Russia as functioning state. “ Alex Krainer wrote a very detailed , very well researched account stating why this was taking place and ultimately who controlled the operation. https://archive.org/details/grand-deception-the-browder-hoax-alex-krainer/page/n241/mode/1up From the moment the Globalists/ Central Bankers grasped they couldn’t coerce Russia to self destruct, they have put in place… Read more »

George Mc
George Mc
Jun 2, 2024 9:23 PM
Reply to  Brianborou

One of the reasons that some people refuse to acknowledge there is a “very real danger of a nuclear war” is that we have been getting endless scares for the entire duration of our lives about invasions, terrorist attacks, climate catastrophe, the “enemy within”, bugs, diseases etc.

We have also been directed to gish gallop upon gish gallop – interminable charts, graphs, formulae etc, with lots of big words from pontificating supercilious creeps who are so far up their smug self assumed superior shitholes that their heads are now developing piles.

So a sense of cynicism is not only logical but anyone who doesn’t have that sense is either brain dead or a troll.

Brianborou
Brianborou
Jun 2, 2024 10:44 PM
Reply to  George Mc

I don’t know how old you are George, but if you had lived through the Cuban missile crisis, you would realise that burying one’s head in the sand doesn’t make the problem disappear !

George Mc
George Mc
Jun 3, 2024 6:24 AM
Reply to  Brianborou

Ah yes the Cuban missile crisis again. It’s interesting how we’ve been through so many scares (covid, climate, rehashed old pandemics, reheated war on terror, etc.) And just as they are running out of steam we now get the old chestnut of nuclear war. If the new hits fail, try the old hits.

Brianborou.
Brianborou.
Jun 3, 2024 8:23 AM
Reply to  George Mc

Are you saying the world was not on the verge of a nuclear war during the Cuban Missile crisis ?

ImpObs
ImpObs
Jun 4, 2024 9:15 AM
Reply to  Brianborou

remember your brainwashing training, crawl under your school desk when you hear the siren and you’ll be fine (lol)

brianborou
brianborou
Jun 4, 2024 3:48 PM
Reply to  ImpObs
Johnny
Johnny
Jun 2, 2024 2:43 PM
Reply to  Tilly Petersen

Two points.

•Patreon payments are made (we’re told) by Johnston’s followers. If you seriously believe she would take money from the big end of town, then you’re overdosing on cynicism.

• Johnston did not shill for the Covid narrative. She just chose to go along with it by ignoring it, like many other gutless ‘alternative’ journalists.
Like you, they no doubt have mouths to feed and bills to pay.

The plague IS self interest.
It’s been around since humans walked upright.

Tilly Petersen
Tilly Petersen
Jun 2, 2024 3:16 PM
Reply to  Johnny

Wtf? Can you be serious? ‘If I seriously believe she would take money from the big end of town?’ I don’t know anything about her as a person, and neither presumably do you. For all I know she’s arse deep in corruption. Or maybe she honestly does not know who keeps her in the style she’s accustomed to.

All I DO know is she came out of nowhere on a fake-seeming controversy and she dodges on 9/11 and shilled for #metoo and her Patreon remained rock steady and very lucrative even while she was upsetting a lot of her following by refusing to condemn the forcible incarceration and death of thousands of innocent people over a fake virus.

I think she’s fake as fuck. A managed entity now shilling for globalism. But you think what you like.

TRT
TRT
Jun 2, 2024 4:50 PM
Reply to  Tilly Petersen

9/11 and covid are excellent litmus tests.

sandy
sandy
Jun 2, 2024 8:25 PM
Reply to  Tilly Petersen

I know nine eleven and the LOCKDOWN were ops but still value any anti-war action that intends to neutralize the authority and wealth acquisition exploits of the war-mongering Western elite insanity. Y’all are lumping apples, oranges and bananas and making them a blender death potion.

Johnny
Johnny
Jun 3, 2024 1:16 AM
Reply to  Tilly Petersen

This much I know.

Caitlin speaks from her heart.
Like all of us, she has flaws.
Who are you to judge?

Tolerance is a rare but valuable trait.

George Mc
George Mc
Jun 2, 2024 3:30 PM
Reply to  Johnny

Isn’t shilling for covid and just going along with it the same thing?

Johnny
Johnny
Jun 3, 2024 1:20 AM