Careful, talk of “weather modification” could be a trap
Kit Knightly
Last week, category 4 Hurricane Helene hit the eastern coast of North America causing massive flooding and devastation across the region, leaving people stranded and homeless.
This week, Hurricane Milton – a category five hurricane – is predicted to hit Florida’s west coast after forming in the Gulf of Mesico and moving eastwards.
Two such storms in less than ten days have fueled online talk of “Weather modification” from Republican politicians and alternate media personalities:
Yes they can control the weather.
It’s ridiculous for anyone to lie and say it can’t be done.
— Marjorie Taylor Greene 🇺🇸 (@mtgreenee) October 4, 2024
Whistleblower, 9 year Air Force Veteran, shares the truth about weather modification.
Share this everywhere for the people who keep saying it’s a big conspiracy pic.twitter.com/8l5k1YoE7n
— TaraBull (@TaraBull808) October 6, 2024
Personally, I see reason to be cautious here.
Does the ruling class have access to such technology?
Very possibly. I’m extremely positive they’ve spent billions in research trying to create it anyhow.
Would they use it if they had it?
Of course they would. Obviously they would have no moral objections to causing death and destruction in pursuit of their agenda.
No, my caution is simple – the claim of “weather modification” can easily be used as a backdoor into accepting the reality of “climate change”.
After all its premise is the same – that the weather we experience is unusual, strange, unnatural – and we need to do something about it.
When we talk about “weather modification” we are tacitly accepting this truth, or at least can easily be maneuvered into seeming to do so.
So we need to be really really careful about what arguments we are endorsing. We can’t just take every climate scare story at face value suddenly because we can attribute it to “weather modification”. We need to do some research, get some data, take each case on its merits.
For example –
It’s being claimed storms “never” behave like Hurricane Milton, forming in the gulf and moving east.
But is that true?
It’s certainly unusual, but meteorological data says 14 of the 146 hurricanes to form in the Gulf of Mexico since 1851 moved eastwards.
So it’s rare, but hardly unprecedented.
There’s no need to invoke either climate change or weather modification as an explanation.
And please don’t forget that the vast majority of weather experienced on this planet is NOT statistically unusual, despite the hysterical claims to the contrary.
If we start embracing every unverified, exaggerated or patently false claim of “climate change” and simply slap the additional claim of “weather modification” on it to make it our own then whose game are we actually playing?
Like the “lab leak” theory, it can appear to be a radical anti-establishment claim, but end up endorsing everything important about the establishment narrative.
I mean if you start with…
“This weather is freakish and dangerous and the result of secret weather modification technology, and we need to do something about about it.”
Then all they have to do is discredit the idea that secret weather modification technology exists – by disproving some of the weaker claims being made in its behalf – and we’re left with this…
“This weather is freakish and dangerous…and we need to do something about it.”
If you doubt it – then here is the bait and switch being enacted before your eyes…
Okay, but if “they” control weather, then the next logical extreme is that humans caused climate change. She really didn’t think this talking point through.
— Alex Cole (@acnewsitics) October 4, 2024
“Alex Cole”, btw, is a Kamala bot account. So, this is not a statement anyone can afford to ignore.
Could not be more obvious – “weather modification” claims are going to be weaponised to weaken the climate sceptic position.
Yes, “weather modification technology” has the potential to be the “early treatment protocol” of climate change.
Just as the doctors pushing ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine for Covid actually supported the “pandemic” narrative by reinforcing the idea there was a new disease that required treatment, so the claim “they are messing with the weather” endorses the premise of climate change by suggesting our weather is weird, unnatural and a problem we need to “fix”.
No, this doesn’t mean every claim of weather modification is some kind of shill in action. But we need to be aware that shills are already colonizing it for obvious agenda-related purposes.
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I wrote a whole series of articles on this very topic years back.
The first article begins like this…
“A constellation of evidence points towards the reality of an ongoing, clandestine, climate modification campaign, originating, at the very least, from the 1970’s, of unprecedented proportions and the utmost audacity and arrogance. Its overarching aim is to convert the Arctic ice into a meltwater, opening it up for its vast resources of oil, gas and minerals and to alter the global climate to one more favourable to the northern temperate zones and less favourable to equatorial and semi-tropical zones. The scientific establishment up to 1975 seemed also to have been concerned that the earth was entering a long-term Ice age.”
To this end, the campaign has employed such methods of modification as the use of Soot or Black Carbon, in alignment with William Gray’s proposals, to:
· Alter the surface albedo of ice and snow.
· Artificially induce convection, enhancing lower cloud formation which has a warming influence in the Arctic region.
The primary component of the campaign however, is:
· Altering the nature and frequency of cloud type ratios in order to effect a warming of the globe, predominantly the northern hemisphere, and, in particular, the Arctic.
A Study in Infra-Red
part 1: Phil-anthropogenic Global Warming
https://hughboone.substack.com/p/a-study-in-infra-red
Why did 52 countries including the US and the USSR sign this treaty in 1972 if weather modification, including hurricane modification is not a reality? 1972!
Convention on the Prohibition of Military or Any Other Hostile Use of Environmental
Modification Techniques
https://2009-2017.state.gov/t/isn/4783.htm
“It is the understanding of the Committee that the following examples are illustrative of phenomena that could be caused by the use of environmental modification techniques as defined in Article II of the Convention: earthquakes, tsunamis; an upset in the ecological balance of a region; changes in weather patterns (clouds, precipitation, cyclones of various types and tornadic storms); changes in climate patterns; changes in ocean currents; changes in the state of the ozone layer; and changes in the state of the ionosphere.”
Tropical cyclones are hurricanes….
Parts 22 to 27 of my series of articles cover hurricane modification in great depth.
https://hughboone.substack.com/p/a-study-in-infra-red-part-22-hordes-of-hurricanes
https://hughboone.substack.com/p/a-study-in-infra-red-part-23-rain-dance
https://hughboone.substack.com/p/a-study-in-infra-red-part-24-river-dance
https://hughboone.substack.com/p/a-study-in-infra-red-part-25-electric-avenue
https://hughboone.substack.com/p/a-study-in-infra-red-part-26-towers-of-babble
https://hughboone.substack.com/p/a-study-in-infra-red-part-27-herding-hurricanes
The prevalence of soot and black carbon on Arctic ice overwhelmingly is the result of mega-fires, themselves the result of anthropogenic climate destabilisation, and warmer northern temperatures, derangements of the hydrological cycle leading to prolonged droughts and the infestation of insect pests like pine beetles, able to survive warmer winters. The foolish policy of not allowing regular, cooler, forest fires also contributes To transport the amount of soot released by these fires and deposit it on the ice is far beyond the resources of any state, and certainly even more so to do it secretly.
Great article Kit! The timing of the northern lights/HAARP glow discussion right after these events really highlighted this idea that you are presenting here.
The thing I don’t see anyone talking about is the fact that the outrageous lies pumped out by the Raytheon sponsored National Weather Service and parroted by every weatherman and talking head about the actual measured strength of the storm were never questioned. There was a major element of psychological manipulation. Helene, we are told, was pumping out 140 mph winds in Perry Florida near landfall even 45 minutes after it made landfall, and yet the highest sustained winds measured at the Perry airport during landfall were 57 mph. There were all kinds of storm chasers livestreaming themselves standing in these winds under the belief that they were braving 140 mph winds– which is comical to say the least. Nobody seems to be questioning where the newscasters got these wind levels that they reported– other than straight from the National Weather Service script. They were nowhere to be seen on shore, as well as on an official NOAA weather buoy that the eye traveled right over. This information is available for anyone to examine. How did Helene travel over hundreds of miles and up into the mountains as a Cat 2, and yet wasn’t even Cat 2 strength by the instruments when it made landfall in Florida? Nobody is investigating this claim. It is mind-blowing.
The damage done in North Carolina is beyond mind blowing. The US government/military have had the capability in doing this since the 1940s. They did it during the Vietnam War. Research Operation Popeye.
They block the skies with their chemtrails. They can also make it nice and sunny (as in during lockdown).
This we know with the evidence from our own eyes.
Thousands of patents, and a history of admitted ‘experiments’ with the weather, plus total denial of anything going on when we know there absolutely is
.
We know what they will say, but to dissuade aware people from talking about control of the weather seems disingenuous.
I wrote a whole series of articles on this very topic years back.
The first article begins like this…
“A constellation of evidence points towards the reality of an ongoing, clandestine, climate modification campaign, originating, at the very least, from the 1970’s, of unprecedented proportions and the utmost audacity and arrogance. Its overarching aim is to convert the Arctic ice into a meltwater, opening it up for its vast resources of oil, gas and minerals and to alter the global climate to one more favourable to the northern temperate zones and less favourable to equatorial and semi-tropical zones. The scientific establishment up to 1975 seemed also to have been concerned that the earth was entering a long-term Ice age.”
To this end, the campaign has employed such methods of modification as the use of Soot or Black Carbon, in alignment with William Gray’s proposals, to:
· Alter the surface albedo of ice and snow.
· Artificially induce convection, enhancing lower cloud formation which has a warming influence in the Arctic region.
The primary component of the campaign however, is:
· Altering the nature and frequency of cloud type ratios in order to effect a warming of the globe, predominantly the northern hemisphere, and, in particular, the Arctic.
A Study in Infra-Red
part 1: Phil-anthropogenic Global Warming
https://hughboone.substack.com/p/a-study-in-infra-red
Why did 52 countries including the US and the USSR sign this treaty in 1972 if weather modification, including hurricane modification is not a reality? 1972!
Convention on the Prohibition of Military or Any Other Hostile Use of Environmental Modification Techniques
https://2009-2017.state.gov/t/isn/4783.htm
“It is the understanding of the Committee that the following examples are illustrative of phenomena that could be caused by the use of environmental modification techniques as defined in Article II of the Convention: earthquakes, tsunamis; an upset in the ecological balance of a region; changes in weather patterns (clouds, precipitation, cyclones of various types and tornadic storms); changes in climate patterns; changes in ocean currents; changes in the state of the ozone layer; and changes in the state of the ionosphere.”
Tropical cyclones are hurricanes….
Parts 22 to 27 of my series of articles cover hurricane modification in great depth.
https://hughboone.substack.com/p/a-study-in-infra-red-part-22-hordes-of-hurricanes
https://hughboone.substack.com/p/a-study-in-infra-red-part-23-rain-dance
https://hughboone.substack.com/p/a-study-in-infra-red-part-24-river-dance
https://hughboone.substack.com/p/a-study-in-infra-red-part-25-electric-avenue
https://hughboone.substack.com/p/a-study-in-infra-red-part-26-towers-of-babble
https://hughboone.substack.com/p/a-study-in-infra-red-part-27-herding-hurricanes
I wonder if the ‘truth movement’, for want of a better … sometimes disables itself by overthinking and trying to outwit the globalists’ machinations.
I suggest taking a good, long look at the skies in Britain now. When you see planes making trails, watch them for a while. Are there patterns in the activity? Is your experience of the weather very different from in previous years?
We’ve been taught to become very theoretical and argumentative and much of the ‘debate on this subject proceeds like this, through a screen. But often a direct, human, embodied response is more likely to lead us to the truths – truths which could save our lives.
Terrible thinking from a inexperienced mind of fuddled journalism!
” meteorological data says 14 of the 146 hurricanes to form in the Gulf of Mexico since 1851 moved eastwards.”
Weather modification is mentioned in the Vedas etc 1,000s of years ago!
Who imagines that it was impossible in 1800’s when so much Industrialisation occurred.
Kit did almost no proper research here. What is ORGONE DEVICE & how did it work? What was CLOUDBUSTER than even Kate Bush did video for!
Who was Trevor James Constable & what did he do with W.R. ideas ?!
I can do it in my back yard with hollow poles with one end immersed in water causing IONISATION.
What does Ionisation do ? It generate plasmas. Plasma = old term ETHER of the AETHER.
Does Ionisation & plasma exist? You have to be idiot to ignore! Why so much sickness from central heating & nylon carpets ?! Answer = excessive positive ions = dirty electricity.
Is Electricity important to weather? Only idiot would deny such facts.
can martial government control weather- Of course it fucking can, & there is endless video of proof, just look out of window & watch clouds form & occlude sky in less than 1 hour Kit you ding dong doodler.
Now, what does pressure differential do to weather ? If area ionised then how does that effect pressure ? If area is heated by microwave what happens with pressure, electricity & other influences?
Of the 14 claimed hurricanes from the Gulf how many were very old ? 3 it seems (please correct me if wrong & supply source thank you) .
14 in 146 is about 10% of Hurricanes mentioned, so minority.
3 in 146 is about 2% of Hurricanes, whoopey do, what convincing statistics of possibility.
Tripe, even for a fanatic denialist like you. You must be getting nervous, now, as weather and climate disasters increase rapidly, that those doomed to early and ghastly deaths are going to cease impotently begging ghouls like you and your fossil fuel patrons to, please, stop destroying the habitability of the planet. Things WILL get nassty when the victims awake.
Oh look, the climate change pushers are back, sensing renewed opportunity. Colour me amazed.
NO need to ‘push’ reality, denier. What psychic rewards do you get from attacking humanity’s future?
Agreed, Kit, it’s a trap for people. I doubt very much they can direct a hurricane specifically. Weather modification is possible for cloud seeding, as Saudi Arabia says they’re greening the Middle East deliberately, as per Arab News report here: https://www.arabnews.com/node/2575016/saudi-arabia
What happen for 911 off coast then?! 🙄😂😆😂
I suggest spending some time on Jim Lee’s websites and YouTube channel.
https://climateviewer.com/
https://weathermodificationhistory.com/
https://www.youtube.com/@climateviewer
ClimateViewer Maps
climateviewer.org
A Chemtrail site I visited seems to think your not experienced enough to discuss the subject.
Off guardian is relativity new to this research,
Hopefully the comment will stay up as it seems a very firey comment section.
Do you have a link to that site? Our readers would probably appreciate it?
Can’t help noticing that HAARP, that “secret” technology the government doesn’t want anyone to know about has been trending on Twitter for the last 2 days. I suppose that must be Elon’s fearless free speech in operation. The establishment is probably shaking its fist at the sky and cursing “darn that pesky Musk revealing all our secrets”.
Yeah, that must be it.
Apart from it has been on you tube for 15+ years and twitter is new with its new awake slightly asleep alt media crowd that are usually late to the party by 15 years.¬!
Mind you 6 years ago, Trump stopped chem trails all apart of the trust the plan make american great.
Q also confirmed it. (reliably source)
it was not true and anything tredding on X is about as real as Musk space sateillities.
Yeah. That was kinda my point. Guess it didn’t come across. 😏
Missing the big picture is the dread for all scholars. For 10 years plus, I have been interested in the greater cycles of :weather/earth changes. Reasoning: yes- the Cause of sea surface warming is now proven to be the result of polluting nano plastics that insulate the heat sink effect. Yes- the Cause of sea bed heating is volcanic destabilization due to cyclical cosmic energy infusion (from our galaxy rotation) and this one has zero to do with human activity but is equally terifying.
Every case of ancient apocalypse needs comprehending so as to inform a sum effort by those engineers who can be tasked to prepare humanity as well as possible through cosmic energy shielding tech knowledge.
A powerful researcher of such evidence is Graham Hancock. Watch his entry level doc series Ancient Apocalypse.
IS the sea surface warming?
IS the sea bed heating?
Apparently while we were sleeping
Source?
Nope
And hey presto, top story from the Groaniad today:
Hurricane Milton
‘It’s mindblowing’: US meteorologists face death threats as hurricane conspiracies surge
Storms Helene and Milton have triggered rise of misinformation stoked by Trump and fellow Republicans
…
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/oct/11/meteorologists-death-threats-hurricane-conspiracies-misinformation
It’s a masterpiece of the genre (Establishment propaganda). There is no box it fails to tick.
Lemme guess: the culprits are the farrrrrright, peddling ‘misinformation’ on social media, right?
I don’t suppose anyone’s considered the double bluff ?
“Don’t talk about this stuff. It will only weaken your case”
When they REALLY don’t want us talking about it !
Right. Kit is also right regarding proper research. Communication should be therapeutic, if there is enough truth, reality and understanding in it. Anything can be used by vicious people as a weapon. If communication is all lies and falsehoods or ill intended rumors it is definitely NOT therapeutic. The solution is not to stop communicating, but to communicate as responsibly and truthfully as possible, considering the effect it will create on the receiver. Anything can be used as a weapon, even the most life giving substance. Take water for example. Evil or immoral people could give or make too much and drown people or their environment. They could make it so there is too little (like the Palestinians are experiencing). Or they could poison it with covert slowly acting chemicals, etc. Or another example is the sun. Truly life giving. But too much and one burns or dies of heatstroke. Dim its’ life giving rays and things wither and die, or the solar panels cease to work, or only the harmful radioactive rays come through. Most people do not want to destroy others, or life, or our planet. What is really needed is a greater understanding of human behavior and an understanding of how to discern truth from lies, and who to trust and who to not. Who to promote to leadership positions and who to promote to a court of justice for their due. One thing is for sure is that murderers, environment destroyers and genocide enablers that get away with their crimes, and never see justice or equality under the law, are only emboldened to further crimes. I love this planet. I would like for us all to be able to keep it and take care of it.
Climate change IS real, and there is no climate scientist denying this. CATASTROPHIC and ANTHROPOGENIC climate change is total BS and this is where the propaganda deconstruction of every thinking and ethical person should focus or we risk being ridiculed.
The climate is and was NEVER static.
Certain weather systems suggest that climate is more static now than ever. For instance, there has been a high pressure dome over Northern California for months now – and this was the case for the past several years. This kind of thing is not unusual in the autumn; but is not a normal feature during the summer and certainly not the spring or winter. Meteorologists can’t quite account for it – but geoengineering can. And geoengineering very much is anthropogenic. So it isn’t “total BS” to attribute at least that much climate change to human activity.
The meteorologists seem to be operating under a gag order. The chemicals being sprayed in the air that are having a deleterious effect on the health of humans, fauna, the soil, oceans, trees and plants, blanket the earth at night and make it harder for it to cool down. It is like trying to sleep at night in the summer under several wool blankets. It doesn’t work. But the destructive scammers sell it as a “solution” for the problems they create. And gullible well intended people buy it. It’s like they are saying “here, let me help you. Drink this poison. You will be happier dead”. There are some psycho people in the world that no one should be taking advice from. Only a few of them are that crazy, compared to the vast majority. But they can make things really crazy.
And here is the explanation and history of its development, https://davidicke.com/2024/10/11/devastating-hurricanes-who-benefits-david-icke-on-weather-manipulation-and-the-human-caused-climate-change-hoax/
Has anyone said the climate is static? Why are you making an uncontested point as if it had been contested?
The word climate change was hijacked by thermostat theorist. Yes, thermostat theorist. Make sure to call them that.
Have there been studies to see how much a volcano farts in an hour compared to the human co2 contribution ?
Maybe. But who cares ?
The comparison is meaningless if there is no agreement on a “good” level of co2.
There will never be an agreement whilst the industry is worth trillions.
Yes. On average all volcanic eruption emit c.1% of anthropogenic greenhouse gas pollution. That is ONE PERCENT ie one one hundredth.
Where do you have that bullshit from ??? Each single pesky Volcano spouts out more gas as whole countries cannot produce in one century.
This, of course, is why it is IMPOSSIBLE to argue with a Rightist Dunning-Krugerite. The vast difference between a typical year of volcanic emissions and recent years of anthropogenic emissions is well established, but when did FACTS ever impress a denialist? The NOAA site has the info, and graphs, too.Scientific American, quoting the US Geological Survey puts the discrepancy as 200 million tons, on average, from volcanoes as against 24 BILLION tons from human emissions (2009 figures).As does NASA and a host of scientific journals.
Yes, tryfon, but it is the EXTENT and RATE of climate destabilisation that will kill us al, or 99.99% or so, and the climate will not stabilise for millennia.
<<Just as the doctors pushing ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine for Covid actually supported the “pandemic” narrative by reinforcing the idea there was a new disease that required treatment, so the claim “they are messing with the weather” endorses the premise of climate change by suggesting our weather is weird, unnatural and a problem we need to “fix”.>> Idiotic. Ivermectin and HCL actually *worked* for covid (and they do NOT work against colds, ‘flu or pneumonia so there *was* a new disease). Also, weather modification has for a number of years been covertly used in the form of spraying the atmosphere to create albedo and reflect the sun’s rays back into space. The Powers That Be don’t need fake whistleblowers.
So, the PTB “admitted” to doing geo-engineering. And the result is that now a lot of climate skeptics are not quite climate skeptics any more. Just like true believers in manmade global warming they now also believe the climate is changing due to human intervention. The only difference is the type of intervention being alleged
A rule of debate is that once you have succeeded in persuading your opponent to accept your main premiss as being true, you have won the debate, no matter how much he might hold out on details.
Once a climate skeptic has been persuaded the weather really is weirder than it used to be he is no longer an effective opponent.
He will no longer point to all the data that shows weather is not weirder than it used to be, because he no longer believes that to be the case. Instead he will say “yes, weather is weirder, but not because of fossil fuels.”
It doesn’t take a dialectical genius to see this is a far weaker argument.
This in itself is an obvious motive for the PTB to “admit” to geo-engineering, even if they were not doing it. It’s also a reason for them to seed rumours and memes about their geo-engineering projects being a lot more ambitious and successful than they might really be.
Geo-engineering may be a real ambition, but it is quite provably also a very useful tool of psychological manipulation.
OK, so assume you are correct – and I’m not saying you’re not. I understand your argument.
Why do we have to play the game to their rules ?
Why can’t we turn the tables and get the proof that their interference is the reason for any anomalies in the weather. There’s certainly a growing antipathy to governments investing in geo-engineering.
If we do nothing they’re going ahead with their agenda whether we like it or not so we can go down quietly or we can go down screaming and shouting, giving it our best shot.
When Germany and Austria mandated jabs it was stopped in it’s tracks by one thing –
Millions of people saying no.
That is exactly what we should do and what I am advocating. We need to look at the evidence and figure what is going on. We need to ascertain whether geo-engineering is a genuine threat or another deliberately fostered fear story like covid, or some of both.
But to do that we need cool heads, objective thinking and a good deep grasp of the data.
Speaking of cool heads, Jim Lee’s Climate Viewer is pretty good.
https://climateviewer.com/
What if geoengineering (as in Stratospheric Aerosal Injection, or Solar Radiation Managemenr, or Dimming the Sun, or whatever they are currently calling it to bypass the algorythms IS fossil fuel waste? Do you remember the smoke stacks in the 60’s and 70’s? Are you old enough? They were outlawed. Do you wonder what they are doing with the waste now? What if scammers are selling it to the military to “dim” the sun. Planes have been re-fitted for these payloads. We could have free energy that doesn’t harm the environment, but some Psychos would figure out a way to destroy with it. There are two sides to every coin. The psychos are working to always make it “tails you lose.”
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Sarah Lawrynuik, 2019 bursary winner, to report on political changes in Eastern Europe
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https://thenarwhal.ca/major-gaps-found-climate-change-education-students-across-canada/
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Could someone please forward the following piece, written by Paul Cudenec, to the shill Sarah Lawrynuik.
The corruption is real and sickening
https://winteroak.org.uk/2024/09/03/the-acorn-96/#1
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https://www.justintownesearle.com/about
Whether or not we agree or not on whether or not weather modification activities are going on, Mr Knightly, I do ask you to address the question of: ‘If it were the case that the Establishment were brazenly seeking to destroy the ozone layer, destroy soil fertility through continual chemtrail spraying (leading to heavy metal contamination of all land surfaces), deliberately intensify storms and guide them toward pre-determined centres of Trump-voting populations, deliberately create heat domes to promote drought and forest death in summers, deliberately create prolonged and extreme rainfall events to the north of wavy jet streams etc etc: what strategy would you actually use to counteract such dangerous and potential genocidal policies?’
Saying that ‘geoengineering’ is a way to make ‘climate change’ be real is a nonsequitur if the basis for ‘climate change’ is not emissions of carbon dioxide and methane, rather deliberate non-elite actions over 80 years to cause widespread global damage to the gaseous phase of planet earth, the biodiversity living both on land and in water and to deliberately engineer global depopulation for the benefits of rich billionaires.
If the geoengineering IS the climate change agent, then wouldn’t you agree that it’s high time that it was talked about, called out, and concrete actions taken against criminals who think that they own the atmosphere, rather than the atmosphere being a fully mixable entity that cannot be divided into nation states as gases don’t take orders from US psychopaths, nor any other nutcases who think that ‘dimming the sun’ is not going to lead to destroying the ozone layer????
We HAVE to talk about geoengineering, if only to flush out whether it is or is not, in fact, the primary cause of climate change.
Geoengineering is, after all, an activity unique to the elites. We average car drivers don’t own planes which can create chemtrails. We average car drivers don’t have access to HAARP installations, nor to NEXTRAD, not do we have the ability to release tonnes of sulphurous material into the stratosphere and nor can we create tsunamis nor direct energy weapons onto unsuspecting populations, creating raging wildfires in the process.
That’s why it’s critical Mr Knightly: geoengineering is not subject to global control, it is controlled by the US military, the uS West Coast private equity space and it is controlled by lunatics like Bill Gates.
You don’t seem to have any trouble thinking that the lunatics want to kill us with vaccines.
Why do you resist the notion that they might use ‘geoengineering’ to do precisely the same?
And if you don’t, will you please make suggestions as to how to confront the climate Hitlers, rather than continue to appease them as they plan Operation Climate Barbarossa???
I agree.
It’s too late to be coy about this. The cat’s out of the bag.
It’s time to pick a side.
That is exactly how the true believers in manmade climate change justify shutting down reasonable debate and skepticism.
I suggest instead of picking yet another side we take a coolheaded look at the evidence, at potential agendas and pitfalls.
Or not, of course. Grabbing a pitchfork has the appeal of being much easier.
And Robber Baron’s “look at the evidence, at potential agendas and pitfalls” is going to persuade a megalomaniac cabal ?
This is not a college debating society.
No, but neither is anything else. Or do you have a plan to achieve that?
Correct. it’s a debating platform on an alt news site.
But if you have an effective plan for defeating the globalists that doesn’t require evidence or forethought or a prior awareness of their agenda, then please don’t let me stop you. Good luck to you. I hope it works.
Not talking about it isn’t going to help.
IMHO.
Well exactly, which is why I – and everyone else here – are indeed talking about it.
Reads like blatant intelligence shillery. No wonder tempers are frayed here if this is the weak, convoluted, self contradictory message to get across. Don’t be hard on yourselves, it’s a tough sell.
I also agree. Except picking the side is only if one side is the people who really want to know, and aren’t too afraid or complacent to try to find out. And the other side is the psychos who really don’t want people to know the truth about things, especially when it comes to your life and livelihood ( including the health of your environment). In the middle, aren’t enemies. They are just people who need to be more educated, aware, or woken up. They need more patience.
Thank you.
Elsewhere you state there’s very little evidence climate is altering perceptibly beyond norms fluctuations. A lot of hypothetical ’ifs’ here, bud. Did you get wheeled out to try and rescue this failing narrative or what? You’ve already accepted there’s little to no evidence for any of the above, and aren’t you a scientist? Therefore, what possibly prompted this long screed, getting your knickers in a knot as if some pressing matter is being neglected?
Seems to me this ‘pressing matter’ is simply the horse shit agenda which certain folks here have clearly (and resentfully) been saddled with peddling. Same sense of desperation on the WW3 thread too.
Literally that’s the only scenario that makes sense of this belaboured nonsense. It’s totally surreal.
One problem, aside from the fact that 50% of the populace are of below median intelligence, many FAR below, is that the numbskulls judge global climatic processes in terms of the length of human lives. In other words, although climate destabilisation is actually occurring far more rapidly than other ‘hot-house Earth’ mass extinctions, in the human terms of a life of a few decades, it seems ‘slow’. Then of course there are those who deny it for ideological reasons, until they are caught in a megafire, flash flood, drought, an outbreak of zoonotic disease or similar, accelerating, catastrophes. That concentrates their ‘minds’.
The whole circus is in town under this thread, I see
So, you are accepting the reality of climate change and simply quibbling over the possible cause now?
I think that rather makes Kit’s point
Precisely
If NOT anthropogenic climate destabilisation caused by increased atmospheric greenhouse gases concentrations, then what is making glaciers and sea ice melt across the planet, what is causing the oceans to warm beyond any previously recorded temperatures, what is causing the deaths of kelp forests, tropical coral reefs and vast rain-forests like the Amazon? Feel free to be inventive.
I wrote a whole series of articles on this very topic years back.
The first article begins like this…
“A constellation of evidence points towards the reality of an ongoing, clandestine, climate modification campaign, originating, at the very least, from the 1970’s, of unprecedented proportions and the utmost audacity and arrogance. Its overarching aim is to convert the Arctic ice into a meltwater, opening it up for its vast resources of oil, gas and minerals and to alter the global climate to one more favourable to the northern temperate zones and less favourable to equatorial and semi-tropical zones. The scientific establishment up to 1975 seemed also to have been concerned that the earth was entering a long-term Ice age.”
To this end, the campaign has employed such methods of modification as the use of Soot or Black Carbon, in alignment with William Gray’s proposals, to:
· Alter the surface albedo of ice and snow.
· Artificially induce convection, enhancing lower cloud formation which has a warming influence in the Arctic region.
The primary component of the campaign however, is:
· Altering the nature and frequency of cloud type ratios in order to effect a warming of the globe, predominantly the northern hemisphere, and, in particular, the Arctic.
A Study in Infra-Red
part 1: Phil-anthropogenic Global Warming
https://hughboone.substack.com/p/a-study-in-infra-red
Why did 52 countries including the US and the USSR sign this treaty in 1972 if weather modification, including hurricane modification is not a reality? 1972!
Convention on the Prohibition of Military or Any Other Hostile Use of Environmental Modification Techniques
https://2009-2017.state.gov/t/isn/4783.htm
“It is the understanding of the Committee that the following examples are illustrative of phenomena that could be caused by the use of environmental modification techniques as defined in Article II of the Convention: earthquakes, tsunamis; an upset in the ecological balance of a region; changes in weather patterns (clouds, precipitation, cyclones of various types and tornadic storms); changes in climate patterns; changes in ocean currents; changes in the state of the ozone layer; and changes in the state of the ionosphere.”
Tropical cyclones are hurricanes….
Parts 22 to 27 of my series of articles cover hurricane modification in great depth.
https://hughboone.substack.com/p/a-study-in-infra-red-part-22-hordes-of-hurricanes
https://hughboone.substack.com/p/a-study-in-infra-red-part-23-rain-dance
https://hughboone.substack.com/p/a-study-in-infra-red-part-24-river-dance
https://hughboone.substack.com/p/a-study-in-infra-red-part-25-electric-avenue
https://hughboone.substack.com/p/a-study-in-infra-red-part-26-towers-of-babble
https://hughboone.substack.com/p/a-study-in-infra-red-part-27-herding-hurricanes
That was my immediate reaction on hearing it – but you over analyzed it. It’s not
a sophisticated trap – it’s a simple poison the well (with nonsense) trap, like the Sept 2001 twin towers ‘Hologram aircraft’ and ‘space energy beams’ nonsense.
It’s ludicrous to correlate bioengineering with the “WEF mantra” that humans and cows farting are causing catastrophic weather events.
The first points out that DARPA/DOD are conducting treacherous activities against targeted populations and the later is saying that “humanity” is the problem.
I think most who are not pushing the 2030 UN Agenda can detect the difference.
As I see it the point isn’t that the claims are the same or even that weather modification isn’t a goal, it’s that if we aren’t careful it can be used to manipulate us to the same endpoint.
For example on this very thread we have several people claiming quite normal weather is weird and rickypop below saying “Climate change is man-made right enough. By the military-industrial complex.”
It’s not hard to see how this can be exploited into – “even climate-deniers admit the climate is changing, they just predictably call it a conspiracy and blame the gumment”. In fact the tweet Kit quotes in the article shows they are already doing that. I feel quite sure this is one reason why they make a big deal out of “admitting” they do geo-engineering.
The sustainability agenda metamorphosized from the decades old environmental movement protesting against industrial toxins into the ‘SDG scam,” so that trillion dollar asset management firms like BlackRock can privatize and hence commodify every aspect of the natural environment.
To advance this 2030 UN Agenda there needs to be a series of crises to manufacture consent for the WEF’s repressive policies against humanity.
One way to ensure horrific crises occur is to “weaponize weather” or to trigger “Lahaina-type events.”
Climate “always changes” that’s why there’s four seasons, or hot and cooler days. However, industrial waste destroying rivers and oceans does not result from cows farting.
Privatization of the entire natural environment is the objective behind the sustainability agenda. Which thrives on a depraved avarice to acquire prime waterfront properties and precious resources like lithium.
As usual, billionaire ghouls transformed a “genuine concern” such as pollution into a pretext to promote a nefarious agenda.
They don’t need to create real crises, Charlotte, they just need to make up a fake crisis and convince people it’s real.
Remember a little thing called covid? No virus. No danger. Just some very effective propaganda and a good helping of engendered human hysteria was all they needed to change the world.
Why change a winning formula?
For years they have succeeded in persuading the “norms” that perfectly normal variations in weather were actually new and terrifying signs of fossil-fuel generated climate change.
No real events were needed to achieve this. Just as with covid, all that was needed was the propaganda.
Now, it can be argued, a similar effect is happening with some former climate skeptics, who, like the norms before them, are falling victim to a new wave of climate propaganda, this time tailored specifically to them.
This propaganda endeavours to convince skeptics that actually the climate is changing after all, and only the cause is different.
So, we end up with a situation in which most humans are now convinced weather is weird and climate is changing, the only difference is the supposed cause.
This is clearly a massive victory for those seeking to render climate skepticism ineffective.
You can’t correlate a scamdemic with significant ecological events, but of course you know this. Nice try.😁
Is he correlating a scamdemic with significant ecological events? I don’t think he is. I think he is saying if you can make up a pandemic you can make up climate change, which is exactly what they have done
Hannah – there’s no cast iron definition of ‘weird weather’, so ultimately, what some people think is weird may be weird in their lifetime, but quite within normal bounds over a century or so. It’s one of the reasons why young people are most susceptible to climate propaganda, because they have had the fewest years on earth to experience what ‘normal variability of weather’ looks like in their part of the world.
I was born in 1964 and when in 1981, I experienced widespread heavy snowfall in early December in the Thames Valley, allied to night time temperatures dropping not far off -20C, I might have thought this ‘weird’, but for my father telling me about his lived experience of 1947 and 1963. Then I felt that this was indeed unusual, but might well happen every 20-30 years or so.
Here in the UK, we are indeed more likely to experience greater variabilities in some regards, as we are the site of two competing weather forces – Atlantic Westerlies vs high pressures pushing westward from the Continent of Europe, NE from the Azores. However, in the round, when you look at annual weather data, the UK’s variability is considerably less variable in rainfall totals than you might find in southern California, for example.
Before you challenge the veracity of rickypop’s claims, however, you might well like to agree that there’s been ‘natural climate change’ since the year dot, but that doesn’t stop the MIC/other malignant actors effecting man-made climate change through all kinds of technologies. The two are entirely independent issues to consider. Human decisions to seed the atmosphere with chemtrials are entirely independent from Milankovitch cycles, from periods of high volcano activity, from periods of unusually frequent ejections of Coronal Masses from the sun. So are developments of a range of technologies involving radio transmitters, specific frequencies of radio waves and using specific regimens of altering atmospheric contents through seeding from aeroplanes/balloons.
What we do need to discuss is why all military climate-related activity is not banned under global treaties and, if it already is banned, why the US and other nations have not been hauled before the ICC or ICJ for committing ‘climate war crimes’.
If there’s one thing that belongs to all, after all, it’s earth’s atmosphere. It mixes freely, there are no blocks to gaseous mixing and so anything the USA does in the skies above North America very rapidly affects the whole globe, including Eurasia, Africa and Oceania. It’s simply not possible for any American to live outside the USA if they try to claim that the USA ‘owns the atmosphere’ and they are prepared to go to war to assert that ridiculous nonsense.
There is a clear delineation between local weather engineering and attempts to manipulate the Jet Stream, the ozone layer, to fundamentally alter the nature of polar air in winter and to affect the natural cycling of water in the world’s oceans. The latter are all fundamental parts of globally integrated climate systems and it is absolutely not for privately funded actors to have the crass arrogance to alter them.
RE: …why the US and other nations have not been hauled before the ICC or ICJ for committing ‘climate war crimes’.
Indeed. Geoengineering is a massive violation of informed consent.
But you do agree that we need solid evidence of what is actually being done before we draw conclusions? The mere fact geo-engineering is being so blatantly “admitted” by the mainstream is reason enough for some caution.
The evidence is overwhelming and everywhere. All you have to do is look up. This alone is a massive violation of informed consent at a societal level. We may not know for sure exactly what they are doing and why but it is straightforward that they should not be doing it.
If they were to say – after decades of secretly doing this stuff – that they are doing this to protect us… sorry, credibility and legitimacy don’t work that way. They cannot be trusted.
In addition, I am not claiming that a particular weather event was geoengineered. That’s the problem with secrecy, it is very hard to know. But the routine spraying (SAI) we see all the time just by looking up, is not hard to know, it is obvious. We start there. This form is only being hidden by the psychological warfare known as the conspiracy theory label.
Incidentally, you have a curious handle. If you trace the lineage of this kind of stuff, you get to the origins of the CIA which was set up to serve the interests of the heirs of the Robber Barons (like the Rockefellers).
With more than sixteen million passenger flights every year in the US, there’s bound to be some shit floating around:
https://www.faa.gov/air_traffic/by_the_numbers
Criss cross chemtrails?
Never seen them in Australia.
Are we missing out or is the Southern Hemisphere just small fry?
You’ve had your turn with Chairman Dan et al.
Don’t be greedy.
Nice photo of the hurricane. Whether or not its “made”, it at least look quite natural as something following the rule of our universe of the golden ratio.
Here said to be from the milk way.
List of 100 US Patents Related to Weather Modification
https://zerogeoengineering.com/2021/list-of-100-us-patents-related-to-weather-modification/
and that’s all on the subject
Im looking at the sky from Central Scotland and its another aureal borealis. 10th oct 21.42 pm.
Are we all fkn stupid or can’t we see what’s going on?
Climate change is man-made right enough. By the military-industrial complex.
I continue to marvel at how this comment thread is living proof that the article is making a very very salient and important point.
Climate skeptics are being manipulated right before our eyes, through deft deployment of the “weather manipulation” meme into “admitting” man-made climate change is real and to simply quibbling about the cause.
Another knock out victory for the globalist agenda pushers.
Thing is, like most things of this nature, is that no one can 100% say weather manipulation is real and no one can 100% say weather manipulation is not real. What may be true to one may be nonsense to another.
Slight amendments and small plot changes. Rinse, repeat.
Are you saying that the climate cannot be manipulated?
Of course it is. Im not a skeptic Im 100% sure. Im also sure that the manipulation allows the globalists to push their agenda.
The difference is that normal practice alters the climate to a minimal scale whereas scalar technology HAARP, cloud seeding etc can drastically alter weather patterns.
What you are saying is question nothing and dont come up with reasons or your playing into the globalists hands. So why the fk are we on here.
No. It certainly can to an extent. We know cloud seeding can happen. But beyond that? There are many claims but very little hard evidence.
So many questions need to be answered –
Does HAARP really work or is it as bogus as so many other government projects used to simply siphon money, look cool or spread fear? I don’t know, do you? I think endeavouring to find out is a priority.
On the contrary I am advocating we question everything and keep searching for important answers rather than leaping to conclusions that may well have been laid as traps for us, as Mr Knightly’s article very eloquently says.
For the record, what you’re saying is patently obvious to anyone not being deliberately obtuse.
Yes, the downvoting certainly highlights which agendas are deemed important to the Club.
Let me add one more thing to the mix here. While we’re being cautioned not to mis-read Kit Knightly’s article as some kind of denial of geoengineering, something which IS purely speculation on Mr. Knightly’s part has gone completely unnoticed. Namely, that TPTB will most surely use these weather events to further its agenda. That is something taken for granted. And while it’s very likely to be a correct assumption, it’s still basically an assumption.
The idea that “they” have us coming and going – if we accept it as genengineered or if we accept it as part of climate change they’ve got us either way we accept it – is not really an established fact. Again, just because it’s likely to be the case does not automatically make it the case.
Can’t we at this stage reasonably conclude the PTB will use anything they can to further their agenda? Why would they not?
When they stray so far into the fantastical that people in general start to notice (as was starting to happen with Covid), they always pull back and try another approach. This tactic is Ruling Class 101. My point is – and has always been and will always be – that “they” are not omnipotent, nor omniscient, nor omnipresent.
I for one do not intend going through life disclaiming everything just in case it might be something “they” are trying to use to manipulate me into some or another agenda. If something adds up after I’ve reviewed and researched it, I’ll go with it till I determine otherwise. I refuse to base everything I think and do on a group of madmen and madwomen who wish to rule the planet. They will fail, as they always have, even though, yes, many might be hurt along the way. It’s unavoidable if one is to sustain what freedom and integrity he or she might have.
It could be a bait, but in this case the evidence I have seen presented so far is strong enough. For example by the Geo engineering watch.
In any case, weather modification appears to help showing most of bizarre events are deliberately provoked to push the climate change agenda.
False binary alert.
You’re presenting the idea that weather modification has to be EITHER real OR a bait.
In reality of course it could be BOTH
which I think is OG’s point.
The very fact of geoengineering has become so apparent to so many people that the government (mostly the military) can no longer hide it. They still attempt to make it seem like a “conspiracy theory” but that ploy carries less weight by the day – like the little boy who cried “Wolf.”
If, as seems plausible, weather modification is real, then doesn’t that remove its effectiveness as a “false binary?” It doesn’t even remotely follow that its existence automatically triggers the either geoengineering or climate change binary. Especially when taking into account the obvious military uses of it. Geoengineering is weather warfare, pure and simple. The climate changing aspect of it is merely a cover in case it gets revealed.
I’ve become sceptical of the “even the msm can’t deny it any more” thing. It’s how they place fake alt narratives like the lab leak nonsense. They spread the story by apparently denying it but at the same time giving it a lot of publicity.
I may be going too far but I am getting to be a convert to the ‘it’s all fake’ analysis. I can easily believe geoengineering is a real project BUT also a psyop “leak” being used to convince skeptics that normal weather is weird and so “change the conversation”. Look how many people are already convinced Helene was weird, based on very little evidence so far as I can see.
Jeez…it doesn’t matter what we’re TOLD. What matters is what you see, the evidence of your own eyes, whether (haha) you like it or not. Enormous chemtrails cutting the sky into pieces then spreading out so that in less that an hour the whole sky is covered with an impenetrable blanket, or the serried perfectly regular microwave clouds marching in ranks…I know where the local HAARP installation is, about 15 miles away. You can see how clouds are being pushed here in the good ol’ UK.
It’s been happening since 2008 when we saw it first.
Spot on Ariel but people still deny what they can see above them, that’s if they can bend their necks to stop looking at the idiots lantern that is their iPhone! The UK met office has stated that they know geoengineering is rampant and here in soggy Cornwall we have not had 3 consecutive dry days since last December. We have not had a summer at all and none of the forecast heatwaves have ever materialised. A nice blue sky start to the day is whited out generally by 10am and leaves this milky haze for the day via chemtrails criss crossing the sky and most of the flight paths are not commercial flight paths which can easily be checked live on the internet. I have some shocking photos of chemtrails over our house but do not know how to load them. I also have photos of planes leaving normal contrails which disappear within seconds flying through the chemtrails.. The reality deniers need to wake up what’s being done to us and you and yours
Oh come on. I was in Devon in July near the border with Cornwall, there was a heatwave for sure, and plenty of dry sunny days. The Met Office forecast for Truro is predicting almost no chance of rain between now and Tue.
I see the chemtrails too, whatever they are, but let’s keep factual and levelheaded.
The climate change scam is promoted by claiming every normal variation of weather is actually abnormal. If we start going along with that story it won’t matter much that we ascribe a different cause to it. The “debate” will turn into “what’s causing the weird weather” and that will be a debate we can’t win.
We can’t afford to let ourselves be manipulated into letting go of the reality that the weather/climate is NOT being weird!
Maybe a bit of research needed eh? How close were you to the ‘border’? It rained last night.
Please please please can some of you who down voted my post explain why, or is it simply you have realised that actually you are controlled by the idiots lantern?
I see it too. Everyone sees it. But we don’t have a clue why it’s happening. Many potential answers. I’ e seen a few good comments on that. Could be geo-engineering, of course, but could also be many other things. Could be they want it to look like geo-engineering, or could be some bid to poison the air, or something else altogether.
I am in agreement with those saying let’s avoid gish gallops, because that way we could easily end up running where they want us to go. Hysteria is not our friend.
The chem spraying could be a multi-prong attack (i.e. poison spraying us like bugs), but what Ive observed is that when they do it, in the following days the weather usually turns to shit. The previous two Christmas periods they were spraying incessantly where I am in the southern hemisphere, resulting in miserable rainy weather, something that I’ve never before experienced until now.
The issue really isn’t altogether that Helene was “weird,” it’s that the official response to Helene is weird.
Helene was weird at least insofar as its path is concerned. One of the tidbits to emerge from the disastrous flooding in the Piedmont of Western North Carolina was the rarity of not only a hurricane but any devastating weather coming through that area. The very fact that almost every hurricane hitting Florida – even the panhandle – nearly always veers toward the ocean and not farther inland adds to its weirdness. And Helene indeed headed out to sea but only after devastating the Piedmont. It was an extremely weird storm.
I will go a little farther than Kit and than some of the fiercest of his critics. I followed closely what happened in North Carolina, the way the news were presented, before and after, the videos made by the people living there or just visiting and being trapped compared to what alternative media has done. I think Kit is correct in his warning, but he did not go far enough, kept things in the center, moderate, keeping it balanced, not shocking people with the truth that he perceives. I am not a mind reader, but that’s my impression. I think that something more sinister happened in North Carolina, there was way too much destruction, look at the extreme shreding, materials were torn apart, bridges systematically destroyed, almost all neat asphalt road surfaces were broken down in small fragments, too many large buildings were moved around like kids kittle toys, I have seen the cabins of trucksa and trailers smashed and squeezed to shreds and compacted as if they were made of very thin aluminum foil, but these are super strong steel, I have seen bridge pillar steel columns buckled reminiscent of the steel columns of WTC 1 and 2 the few left in pieces on the ground, the houses in that Western “redneck” rural and perhas in some ways more primitive ways, even if mostly were shoddy, made out of cardboard or thin wood planks, construction materilas were almost pulverized, disagregated, way too much into smaller pieces, I suspect the destructive forces that were deployed in those areas were not caused by any hurricane, tornadoes or very strong winds, there was extreme rain, and flooding, but that was the cover, for using more powerful destructive means, to accomplish a very comprehensive destructive on a very large area, yes, obviously they stirred Hell-ene and brought in a lot of water, moisture, atmospheric floods, but probably opened flood gates to release a high and powerful wave to wash down all the localities, with poeple, cars, farms and equipment, but exotic, unconventional weapons were used, that had unleashed a much higher destructive force, that were able to disassemble warehouses made out of solid cement, sturdy brick buildings, they destroyed also a high level, crest road such as the Blue Ridge Parkway, there could nit have been so much rainfall or torents up there, but they created land slides up there and sink holes anyway, they chopped the roads systematically in a way that looks artificial and planned, as in a large and wide scale demolition, it was not the hurricane that did all that, only a cover for more sinister criminal mass murder and mass destruction on a large scale. The trick is to create such a powerful and moving cover stories with multiple layers of deception, in which geoenginneeing so called experts and know it all specialists come to the foreground to claim it was all done by stirring air circulation and moisture with radar weapons, but the exolanations lack technical and scientific depth, and seem childish posters and animations, a video of 90 seconds with blue circles does not prove anything and it is not convincing evidence, The interviews were everywhere but the talk shallow and superficial, there is no proof and you should not be convinced by so called self proclaimed experts of geo engineering watch, these guys could be another layer of deception, now they make us believe Hellene was proof, when in fact it was anither staged act, they only hidden the weapons they used under the cover of weather manipulation, there are more paid actors then we like to realize, health rangers with tv studios and large internet platforms, all kinds of odd looking guys who despite being threatened with their “infowars” studio confiscation they keep broadcasting anyway but do not really say much that we do not already know, yes they could stir hurricanes and bring them overnight from Florida to NC, but they in fact also use them as diversions to trick into not seeing the real scam.
Ah, capitalists and their addiction to patent profits. So much of what is wrong with the world boils down to patents, an industry in need of serious regulations.
Holy SH*T! Bill Gates Owns Hurricane Controlling Weather Patents | Redacted w Clayton Morris
But the question is, why would he steer a hurricane into his Water Street Tampa 15 minute city project that was just built… unless someone else is steering that hurricane.
Bill Gates’s divorce pulls his Water Street Tampa investment into spotlightAs Bill and Melinda Gates split their assets, focus turns to their significant stake in the $3.5 billion project.
I’ve Lived All Over the World but I’ve Never Been More Proud to Live in This Florida City, Thanks to an Incredible New NeighborhoodWater Street Tampa is the new must-visit neighborhood in Florida, and it just became the first neighborhood in North American to receive WELL Community Certification.
Yes, sound logic. It’s possible to seed rain as the UAE admitted doing in Dubai, and snow – there is one permit for planes to release particles for snow-seeding over the Snowy Mountains in NSW. But steering hurricanes? If they can then that’s still secret. It’s unlikely though and I’ve seen no evidence for it. Suspicious Observer channel on YouTube has shown studies in the past week linking geomagnetic storms with hurricane strength. We just had a couple of big solar flares. The carbon people don’t realise that they can’t model a complex system because they don’t yet understand all the inputs.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/2643743
This may well get updated but according to the BBC there’ll be winds of 3500 mph in London today. (Which is nothing compared to a blustery 24000 mph in north Wales)
It’s a bug in their app apparently
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c0kjrp2rngzo
And btw no hurricane in history has had wind speeds of 3500 mph or even close. The top recorded wind speed ever is about 250 mph.
Good example of the value of doing some research 🙂
I think you missed my sarcasm Sophie. I didn’t need to research anythng to know this was clearly wrong. Ta.
Oh fair enough! Sorry I didn’t pick up on it.
No probs.😊My brother sent me a screenshot of the BBC weather page this morning showing that where he was had 24000 mph winds. 😂 I did my research and discovered that it rarely gets quite that windy 😉 and thought it would be an apposite link to post on this thread. (Soz for the blatant sarcasm this time). 😘
I thought it was a measurement of all the hot air emanating from the BBC climate cabal, myself…..
I said as I came into the office today, strange that my soft tissue has been sandblasted away this morning. Bloody weather modification I said 😂
Have to say the contempt being expressed by a few people in the comments for the basic idea that we need evidence before we believe anything is – concerning.
Evidence is what Sir Humphrey would describe as ‘a taste for luxuries’.
There are times when you have time to assemble evidence before deciding judicously. At other times, the gravity of the situation determines more rapid decision-making under greater uncertainty. The corollary of such rapid decision-making is a willingness to change course if the evidence changes, allied to an importance of keeping options open through the earlier decisions taken.
He said that about conscience not evidence, mr scientist
I know, but just because you are pernickity about what he actually said in the 1980s, I was implying that he might say the same about evidence these days.
Hypothetically, of course…TPTB have enacted/enforced/realized their anti-disinformation anti-misinformation censorship goals. What sort of conversations do you reckon they’ll allow regarding:
“Climate change?”
“Weather modification?”
Here’s a short 6 minute video about weather modification
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Q6rxTFX6q7g&t=8s
Here’s another 6 minute video about how the sun affects tropical storms
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=f_e8KWnmARY
Hopefully you’ll find them informative
In the end, one must seek the truth. Shading it, even for the purpose of preventing its misuse is just as likely to backfire. However, it’s NOT truthful to insist upon a simplistic explanation. If you haven’t the time for research, then don’t assert; question instead.
I don’t believe Weather Modification is Possible, except on a very limited local scale – a bit of seed clouding might work to make it rain.
Not so sure about Tsunamis. It maybe possible to kick off a Tsunami, with a deep underwater nuclear bomb, but the seismologosists all over the world (not all under American control) can tell the difference in the Graphs. Its Usually Earthquakes.
Hurricanes and the Storms that we survived on a Sailing Boat a couple of years ago, are totally natural too
Yeah we know it’s all fake Mockingbird. Care to tell us about your trip to the moon and how you and your non existent family got drunk with aliens at the star bar?
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LOL! Brilliant! Why does he keep doing this? It’s so weird
As a distraction is my guess. He’s been called out a number of times even by the mods. Claims to be from England but messes up at times and makes mistakes.
Probably from the U.S or Canada.
Whatever the crisis, whether it be of natural dynamics or of direct human intervention we can be sure that the crisis will be used to further shady agendas and many people shall suffer.
Each year there is similar hurricanes.
usual response and government does nothing.
It has been demonstrated that we can modify the behavior of hurricanes; both the intensity and direction of the storms. Since the (U.S.) government has this capability, why hasn’t this capability been used to steer hurricanes away from land? Seems like they are intentionally letting people die.
Perhaps they haven’t done this because they simply can’t? We should be careful of circular arguments. A2
Many retirees live there, some drawing on their own funds and others on welfare. The actuaries and hedge funds don’t see the continued existence of the former as good (“positive”). For the government, Conjab-19 was a disappointment for those on welfare.
Wow I did not know that. Where was it demonstrated?
Governments appear to have the strange habit of concealing secret weapons with things like official secrets acts as well as lying about almost everything. Do you believe that covid was a serious new disease that was openly and honestly demonstrated?
Huh? I just asked where it was demonstrated. I’m interested in knowing.
Wtf is going on? Calm down
Yes, as we say, there is a bug for everything, even fast food.
Valid points. “Every crisis is an opportunity” for these people, if you can them people. And the PTB’s job in 2024 is to plant, cultivate and nourish any and every crisis conceivable to create absolute physical and psychological chaos in the minds of their “children” citizens. Skepticism, quiet analysis and appropriate response is what should happen instead of leaping into possible bait & switch cons.
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I am sure the recent hurricanes are just natural phenomena – our rulers are panicking because they are made to look like Canute, despite all their hyped up technology!
They are Canute
There’s certainly enough heat in the Gulf of Mexico waters to create major hurricanes this autumn.
To further Kits point:
https://open.substack.com/pub/alexkrainer/p/have-they-weaponized-hurricanes?r=oec4i&utm_medium=ios
Thanks I am going to read that later. So refreshing to see OffG and others taking a fact-based and coolheaded look at this. It’s why I come here most days. I have felt like something is off about all the hysteria around Helene and Milton. Did not feel right. Kit’s article helped me clarify why I might be feeling like that.
I’ve appreciated Kit’s reasoning for many years, so his point of exercising caution and restraint here will be honestly considered.
But I fail to see how the geo-engineering alarmists get us all herded into the same corral as the climate change alarmists. The latter’s “we gotta do something” says that all mankind is responsible and so the solution is to build smart cities and impose lockdowns. The former say no such thing. It’s apple and oranges, isn’t it? It’s criminal, malicious intent vs global culpability.
What rubbish, rob2, you cannot Rob me of a 45 year old highly evaluated set of conclusions, with such Binary Nonsense ! You need to think ON, further:
And if you really need me to explain, regarding do unto others & their food supply as you would have DONE unto you, like Monsanto DID, with their first ever GMO,
Drought Resistant Seed… then it is highly likely you know Naff’ all about WTC7:- in fact, they are INEXTRICABLY related, as is, the “Force Multiplier” (US D.o.D. speak)
HAARP & GEO-ENGINEERING… but, don’t let that trouble you…
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Lasers are being used according to videos posted on X. Supposed ionizing lasers were detected on Helene. The purpose is to create ions that cause rapid condensation and precipitation. Some are suggesting that the lasers led to an increase in Helene’s rainfall amounts and caused it’s hard left turn into the interior. Others wildly suggested it was intentionally done to drive the residents out of the Asheville area to pave the way for expanding the Lithium mines. Hard to say if the radar shots of the lasers are genuine or fake but the technology is real. With all the bullshit and lies going on with our government, who knows what the hell is real.
Based on experience with coal mining in Appalachia we know that subtlety isn’t a trait that mining companies exercise — if they want to get at a seam of coal buried under a mountaintop they just blast the top of the mountain off (dumping the spoil in adjacent valleys) and haul off the coal. (This type of mining is likely to interfere with natural drainage and so add to the potential for flash flooding, BTW)
So if there was readily accessible Lithium compounds then I’d expect them to just go and get them. Lithium, though, isn’t like coal. Its salts are soluble which is why large deposits are found in desert areas, areas that may feature dry lake beds. These are the deposits that are most economical (sorry — ‘profitable’) to get out.
Been in those mines. Strip mines and shaft mines. Also seen the narrow bands of coal in the side of a mountain. Cool, actually. Peabody had (not sure if it is still there) a massive strip mine in east central Illinois near Paris. Toured it. Massive equipment. I was aghast at the amount of energy that was spent to extract such a narrow band of coal. The environmental devastation…. Coal underlies the entire state, including some of the richest farm lands in the world. Been there. Lithium is a whole different ball of wax. Lots of people would rather have the U.S. self reliant instead of depending on China and elsewhere. I don’t know. It is kind of weird that environmentalists want to stop all mining operations while insisting on electric cars. Was never a fan of mining in general. A product of my education. But I grew up. Can’t have your cake and eat it too. Grew up on the idea that depopulation was a must through ZPG. But mass murder via mRNA injections is, simply……, evil. Amazing how warped the minds of some people have become. Falling into the trap that the world will end if we don’t eradicate 95% of the people on Earth will do that to you, I guess. John Kerry is still screaming incessantly. What a fool. Any time he so much as coughs, X is on it. I digress. Thought the same thing about messed up drainage and coal mining. That led me to wondering about those that might have anticipated such a catastrophe in the event of such a rainfall. What might have been done in advance to mitigate the damages? Could something have been done?
If it walks like a duck and talks like a duck, It’s a DUCK. It’s not a theory if it’s TRUE.
Videos posted on X and rumors about lasers seem to be the type of empty rumors and extreme claims without evidence we need to be very wary about.
Damn straight and well put
Right. Because even assuming our Betters had lasers and the like, it’s ridiculous to assume that they’d ever use them.
That’s circular reasoning, isn’t it?
No. It’s common sense.
Fool me once, etc.
So you’re saying you once got fooled by someone who said they didn’t have a laser only it turned out they did, so now you just assume everyone has a laser until they can prove they don’t?
Don’t act stupid. You know exactly what I mean.
That would be called sarcasm in this instance. With my first post I left escapes. Lots of people attack me for any and all reasons. Escapes or not. The goal was to get people to go there and see. Lasers ARE being used. Indisputable. Were they being used on Helene? Who knows? I was actually amused by the wild posts people were making. The idea that the government wanted to drown the people out of the Asheville area to expand the mining operations could have been a Babylon Bee post. So ridiculous. By the way, my relatives, just east of Asheville, finally left their home to stay with friends until their power gets restored. With no electricity there is no heat or appliances. It could be weeks or months.
So you are truly saying we should believe things we’re told on X etc even if there’s no evidence they’re true?
How is that any different from people who believe what the media tells them or believed in covid without any evidence?
‘Warning from anti-Governmental Agencies: consuming X regularly can have serious adverse effects on your mental health!’
Companion warning: “Consuming MSM/Corporate State Media regularly can have serious adverse effects on your mental health!”
That’s your due diligence? You don’t believe it because it is on X? It is on X because all other forms of media are censoring it. Why would they be censoring it? Why is the CDC recommending that infants get injected three times with the Covid poison by the time they are 12 months old? Go there and seeeeee. https://x.com/i/status/1844185064667742675
I didn’t say I don’t believe things on X. I said it’s a bad idea to believe rumors and claims without evidence. Do you disagree with that?
The link you give is to an item on CBS news, presumably viewed by millions back in the day and now seen by another 1.3million on X.
What type of censorship is this?
Why should we believe this story any more than others that appear on lying mainstream media?
How if weather modification is like the lab leak story, as Kit Knightly suggested, and it is being promoted to us the same way, as a “secret” for us to find? “Censored”, but yet it has millions of views?
I’m not sure, but something feels off about this to me.
Oh but also the technology they are talking about is cloud seeding but with lasers. Just rain-making. He does mention hurricanes as something that might benefit from the technology but he says nothing at all about the ability to direct them or manipulate them. Is there any evidence for such technology today?
It means that people or groups previously caught lying should be treated with skepticism and suspicion.
Example from recent past: Pfizer et al pushing their “safe and effective” vaxxines. MSM helping to push these vaxxes. Based on their histories, (and in the case of MSM/Corporate State Media, not limited to pimping Big Pharma) these entities, while sometimes reporting accurately, have next to zero credibility.
Nevertheless, they would like to be, and are positioning themselves to be, your sole source of information on virtually any given issue.
Belly laughing. Thank you.
Evidence by an expert was presented. Go there. X has a great search feature.
Since when is a talking head on mainstream media news evidence? He just says these things are true, doesn’t show any evidence at all.
Are you missing the point of this article much?
I don’t agree with the article. Not entirely.
In the Willamette Valley of Oregon we see a grid of lines go up frequently, even crisscrossing in what was a perfectly deep blue sky. They slowly drift and spread out turning once blue into a milky white-blue sky. I’ve watched the same process turn the skies milky white in the San Francisco East Bay. But the Willamette is the first i’ve seen a grid like a checkerboard. A grid is a conscious creation not random activity. Just sayin’.
No need for Just sayin, Many people who have seen these events know what the exhaust trails from a commercial airline look like to those creating the mess we see in the skies. Problem is the media giving them them the run around by suggesting all aircraft are just aircraft. All trails are just exhaust trails. Basically, nothing to see here.
So, it’s a twofer for TPTB?
They can discredit weather modification, which they do use, in various ways, in order to sell climate change? Two birds with one stone.
“Ordo ab chao.”
The IPCC in 1996:
“Overall, there is no evidence that extreme weather events, or climate variability, has increased through the twentieth century”.
Article in ‘Science’ in 1997:
“There are assertions that the number of tropical storms, hurricanes and typhoons per year will increase. That is possible, but there appears to be no credible evidence to substantiate such assertions”.
Article in ‘Scientific American’ 1997:
“Overall, it seems unlikely that tropical cyclones will increase significantly on a global scale”.
An American hurricane damage suvey 1999:
“[Hurricane damage] did not show an increase in the 1990s, revealing that weather changes were not the principal cause of more catastrophes”.
That’s what “the science” (TM) was saying before the panic button was pushed.
P.S. There was a dip in hurricane activity in the 1970s-80s – watch out for the corporate media using that perios as their baseline.
Here’s Roy Spencer’s analysis of 1900 – 2024 on Florida’s hurricanes:
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2024/10/07/florida-major-hurricanes-1900-2024-what-do-the-statistics-show/
I witnessed geo-engineering one very early 4.39 am bright blue-skied May morning in London’s dockland when I noticed planes – many – flying horizontally and vertically in a grid pattern. At first I thought they must be destined for London’s city airport but within 5 minutes the once blue and cloudless sky had turned into a yellow-grey soup that lasted the entire day.
you could say the 2 hurricanes fit into the current Grand Solar Minimum phenomenon 2021-2053, or go full conspiracy with the fact that there are huge lithium deposits in North Carolina that would be easier to mine once the land is freed of displaced residents. Then there is the idea that Gates wants to make Tampa, Florida, into a smart city. Think Hawaii. Whatever one thinks, questioning is good.
You didn’t witness geo-engineering, you witnessed planes spewing something in the air. We have probably all witnessed that. I don’t think any of us know what it’s really for though. All claims are guesses. It could be geo-engineering or it could be something else.
Here are just a few things it could be
Human control,
pest control,
pest enhancement,
a nutty pointless scheme achieving nothing and going nowhere but netting people a lot of cash,
a psychological scare tactic,
a psychological test program (how will people react to blatant spraying from airplanes).
That’s just off the top of my head. Let’s not call it geo-engineering let’s call it chemtrails or cloud-creation or anomalous vapor-creation, something suitably neutral but descriptive.
Books have been written on the subject and films have been made by eminent experts in the field with more experience and knowledge that you and I.
That looks like the fallacy of appeal to authority. However I would be more than happy to read these books and watch these films, if you have some links?
I’ve seen the words ‘Land Grab’ mentioned more than once.
It can’t be mentioned enough. “You will own nothing and be happy.”
That’s a good point to take under advisement, Kit, so I will. But there’s also a big difference between claiming that we have the technology to cause the occasional storm or blizzard in some part of the world, and claiming that we have already successfully been raising the average temperature of the entire planet at once. The latter idea strikes me as a lot more ambitious (and therefore dubious) than the former. Additionally, no one disputes the mere existence of Helene or Milton, whereas many of us are unaware of any convincing evidence that average global temps have been rising in recent decades, so that’s another big difference.
Anyway, yours still a good point to keep in mind moving forward.
Global temp is now only one small part of the psyop known as “climate change”, or “global weirding” as it’s now often termed (just to keep things as vague and inclusive as possible).
The point is almost any deviation, however small, from some arbitrarily selected and entirely meaningless “norm” is now adduced as ‘evidence’ for the climate being a problem that needs to be fixed. Ordinary people, the “sheep” if you will, have become indoctrinated with this to the extent they now see any slightly unusual weather event – heavy rain, long drought, excessive hail, intense thunder, frequent hurricanes and tornados, deep snow – as confirmation of “climate change”, because, sadly, they have completely lost touch with basic realities.
For me the article is pointing to the risk that fear of “weather modification” will end up having the same effect on the smaller group calling themselves “skeptics” or “alternatives”. People like those who come here.
Awareness of and fear of weather modification is already quite perceptibly making some such people more prepared to see quite normal weather events as strange. Reading this thread makes that apparent.
On the basis of little to no evidence the recent hurricanes are being assigned as “strange”, and as evidence for weather modification. Nothing but internet memes or social media posts back this up. But people are already so primed by their pre-existing belief in and fear of weather modification that it seems to them more likely any given weather event is strange than not, and they require little to no evidence to persuade them this is true.
Just as with believers in “climate change”
This is not good. If the same widespread derangement we see in the mainstream masses also affects the traditionally more skeptical “alternative” community it will become very much easier for the movers and shakers to neutralise opposition to steps designed to “mitigate” climate change.
In fact all it will need somewhere not so far down the line is a government “leaked document” revealing that secret weather modification efforts have actually destabilized the climate to the point drastic measures need to be taken before something catastrophic happens.
If the belief in weather modification as a proven danger has been sufficiently instilled by that time there will be very little coherent opposition to these “mitigation” requirements whatever they might be.
In fact we might even see “climate skeptics” insisting the government takes responsibility for messing with the climate and demanding “action.
This is just one possible way the unquestioning belief in weather modification could be weaponised, but I hope it’s sufficient for you to get the point.
Personally I think the article is timely and very important. I have been sharing it widely since running across it.
None of this means weather modification doesn’t exist. In fact some quite rudimentary types of technology to modify weather short term do exist (cloud seeding etc). How much more sophisticated than that the technology goes I’m not sure. Weather is a closed and very complex system of finite energy so it would not be an easy task.
I’m sure their ambitions are infinite, but that doesn’t mean their abilities are.
Factors that increase our fragility:
-. cost-cutting and corruption
-. normalisation and dependence on devices and services for convenience and speed
-. homogenisation of life due to imperialism, globalism, etc.
The point never being discussed is ‘what is natural variability in weather and climate?’
As soon as you start investigating this, you know for certain that these liars are just BS merchants. The data is absolutely obvious that natural variability is significant, be that in minimum or maximum temperatures; extreme rainfall events; snowfall events; droughts; last spring frosts, first autumn frosts etc etc.
You also need to ask Dale Vince if he wants to live in 1816 climate: he won’t answer because he is dead in the water if he does. Warming from 1800 has been entirely beneficial for humanity and idiots like Vince know it, but they lie because they have earned tens of millions from Government grants for expensive green energy.
Global temperatures have not risen precipitously in the past few decades – they have been rising gradually since the beginning of the Industrial Age, at least 200 years ago. And while this obvious fact does not serve anyone’s agenda, it is also too little too late to have much impact on the public, which has become enured to sensationalism to the point of being almost immune to anything lacking sensation.
The public has become incapable of thinking for itself, perhaps it was ever thus.
My definition of an adult is someone ‘who has come to understand, with finality, that governments lie, the media lies, billionaires lie, grifters lie. They lie because they gain money, status and/or power by doing so’.
There’s an awful lot of children in adults clothing out there in my book. Especially where climate is concerned.
Weather modification is going on, but the extent of it is still very much kept under wraps. Cloud seeding is a way of incorporating heavy metals into the food supply – part of the multi-faceted strategy to increase levels of autism.
Anyone who’s watched a variety of Olympics, winter and summer, the past 15 years, has noticed unusually extreme weather events affecting them. Could be coincidence, could be the Americans showing the world their destructive bullying. Interesting to see if LA is miraculously visited by some ‘unseasonal weather’ during 2028, eh?
Kit makes an excellent point. The observation that many comments seem determined to attribute a man made cause to extreme weather events, either “climate change(TM)” or “Weather modification” is testament to the power of Propaganda.
If there were any, even remote, scientific basis for attributing severe weather events to “Climate Change (TM)” you can bet the farm that the IPCC would be trumpting it from the rooftops. The IPCC do not do this because there is zero signal they can attribute, either of duration, intensity, or frequency, of extreme weather events. No signal, no evidence, Zero, Zilch Nada.
Take it from an actual (honest) climate scientist:
https://rogerpielkejr.substack.com/p/weather-attribution-alchemy
https://rogerpielkejr.substack.com/p/what-the-ipcc-actually-says-about
You may think climate has changed, and it has in the short term, it’s very similar now than it was in the 20’s, 30’s and 40’s, then it went colder into the 70’s (Ice age now scare, also blamed on Co2 emissions) then after ~76 it started warming again, for the last 17 years there’s been a plateau, it’s probably going to go cooler again in the next few decades. It’s cyclical. Climate was never static, it’s always in flux, it always changes.
Well, we know for a fact that weather change exists on a small scale: nobody disputes, for example, the existence of snow-machines and cloud-seeding technology. But local and temporary weather change is NOT the same thing as quasi-permanent and global climate change. That’s the distinction that needs to be made here. One is a proven technology, a matter of incontrovertible fact, while the other is a very unproven ‘theory’ which, at present, is totally lacking in any scientific evidence.
There are numerous climate ‘beats’ detected by researchers, who use proxies in addition to actual temperature measurements. Of course, we will need to wait for 100,000 years of human measurements to confirm those empirically, but those proposed beats include:
20-22 year cycles associated with the sun’s magnetic Hale Cycle;
cycles in the order of 200 years;
41,000 year and 100,000 year Milankovitch cycles, associated with ice age/interglacial cycles.
There are plenty more too.
It seems to me that the shorter ones overlay the longer ones, bringing short-term variations within longer ‘stable states’.
The thing is, there are only really two or three cycle lengths that are really within the experience of one individual human life (up to 22 years, since then you may observe three or four cycles during your lifetime), which makes all the rest of them very unamenable to human experience, unless of course they change rapidly and dramatically in ways which might be seen as climate singularities by those alive at the time…..(you know, flipping of the earth’s magnetic field or the like)…