The Armchair Rioters – Part 2
Iain Davis
In Part 1 we examined the silly concept of the “armchair rioter” which has been offered to suggest people can start riots from the comfort of their favourite recliner.
As we discovered, not only is the notion stupid, there is no evidence to uphold any part of the “online disinformation causing civil unrest” propaganda.
This is not to say that information isn’t being manipulated online and most particularly on the major social media platforms. But it isn’t being manipulated by “Joe average” user.
Concerns have been expressed on social media about the convictions of people for saying things on the internet that supposedly constituted “anti-establishment rhetoric.” It is evident that this online conversation has also been manufactured.
There is so much propaganda enmeshed in our perception of “the truth” that it is important to first differentiate between reasonable cause for a conviction—though often not the sentence—and those that are extremely concerning from a sociopolitical perspective.
Under UK legislation, the Serious Crimes Act 2007 defines how an expressed opinion or statement crosses the line and becomes illegal. If any of us say or write anything with the intention of “encouraging or assisting the commission of an offence” we have broken the law. This publication offence is relatively simple to establish and understand.
For example, if I published an article urging readers to burn down someone’s house then, obviously, I would have encouraged others to commit serious offences and would also have put the homeowner at increased risk of real, physical harm. Perhaps most of us can appreciate why this is considered socially unacceptable.
In common law jurisdictions, such as the UK, we have traditionally called such direct attempts to encourage criminality—through published material or the spoken word—“incitement.” The Serious Crimes Act 2007 effectively removed “incitement” from the statute books. Instead the notion of “encouraging or assisting a crime” was created.
The important difference between “incitement” and “encouragement” is that the common law crime of incitement requires that the crime incited was actually committed. Under the 2007 Act, you can be found guilty of your intention to encourage a crime, whether or not the associated crime happens.
UK “law” moved away from clear identification of causation—between a crime and those said to have incited it—to the far more subjective judicial interpretation of encouragement. The courts now judge the accused’s “intent,” which means establishing what they “believed.” So-called “encouragement” is, in no small measure, a thought crime.
We will use initials to identify people we’ll discuss as examples of those convicted for communication offences in the UK that were said to be related to the outbreak of disorder.
The Alleged Armchair Rioters
W’O’ admitted to “publishing written material to stir up racial hate,” contrary to section 19 (1) Public Order Act 1986. This offence is not the same as the commonly held concept of incitement, but rather concerns the degree to which W’O’ “encouraged” people to commit possible violent offences.
Reportedly, W’O’ conceded he posted content with that intent on social media, notably on Elon Musk’s ‘X’ platform.
Almost entirely divorced from this legal position, people then shared posts on social media suggesting W’O’ was convicted for expressing “anti-establishment rhetoric.” This prompted official “fact checkers,” such as Reuters fact check, to report:
A man in Britain was arrested and charged for publishing written material to incite racial hatred, not for expressing “anti-establishment rhetoric”, as suggested in misleading social media posts.
Reuters fact check was wrong. W’O’ was not convicted of inciting racial hatred. He was convicted of “encouraging” racial hatred because the court was persuaded that was his intention—belief.
Nor was it social media users who gave the impression that “anti-establishment rhetoric” was considered a component of his offending. The BBC posted a short article stating “Nottingham Magistrates’ Court heard the posts were alleged to contain anti-Muslim and anti-establishment rhetoric.” Social media users then shared this article and commented on it.
If the public, via social media, were spreading “misleading” information, it was the “trusted” news purveyors at the BBC, not social media users, who seeded that information into the conversation. Reuters defended the BBC by claiming:
The posts shared a screenshot showing three paragraphs of a BBC article about [W’O’] but omitted the charge against him.
While this was true, the BBC nonetheless suggested W’O’s offending posts contained “anti-establishment rhetoric.” If Reuters consider this “misleading” then, by disavowing the BBC’s role in spreading this “misleading” information and blaming only social media users for disseminating the same information, and by claiming W’O’ was convicted of “incitement,” Reuters own alleged fact check was equally misleading.
The first so-called armchair rioter to be convicted in relation to social media comments supposedly stoking “riots” was J’P’ who wrote “every man and his dog should smash [the] f*** out of Britannia hotel [in the City of Leeds].” This is another example of “encouragement.” That said, as we have already discussed in Part 1—in relation to Spofforth’s arrest—there are legitimate questions about the alleged link between the disorder and J’P’ s post.
It is worth reiterating that there does not need to be an actual crime committed for the accused to be found guilty of encouragement or the intention to encourage.
J’P’ posted the comment on Facebook on the 4th August after a minor disturbance at the Leeds hotel reportedly took place on 3rd August. Stones were thrown at the hotel and one window was smashed on the 3rd. No one was arrested in connection with that incident and we do not know who supposedly smashed the window of the hotel.
On 4th August—the day J’P’ posted his comment—Police attended the same Leeds hotel where similar disturbances were said to have occurred. There was no damage and no arrests were made on the 4th. Regardless of his “encouragement,” as with Spofforth, there does not appear to be any clearly established causation of disorder as a result of his social media activity.
In his subsequent sentencing remarks, made in Leeds Crown Court, Judge Guy Kearl KC spoke about “civil unrest in many parts of the United Kingdom” that had targeted “refugees and asylum seekers.” Judge Kearl noted:
The context of your offending is that it arises out of the civil unrest in many parts of the United Kingdom. [. . .] Coverage of the disorder and accompanying scenes of violence has been extensive, both in mainstream media and online on social media platforms.
None of this extensive coverage had anything to do with the J’P’. In the separate case of T’K’—who was tried in Northampton Crown Court—in her sentencing remarks, Judge Adrienne Lucking KC said:
Your offending must be seen in the context of the widespread and extensively reported scenes of disorder, violence and criminal damage which have taken place around the country. [. . .] There has of course been coverage of this disorder in mainstream media and online.
Every case should be judged on its individual merits. Despite this, there are evidently marked similarities to the “context” applied to the offending of both J’P’ and T’K’. The “context” was the legacy media’s reporting of the disorder which apparently provided the judiciary with a coordinated contextualisation for sentencing.
There are serious questions to ask about the stated “context” of legacy media’s “coverage of the disorder,” referenced in these rulings. For example, with regard to the alleged disorder in the city of Leeds, on 3rd August, the legacy media reported:
Leeds has descended into chaos after two groups of protesters began hurling insults at each other this afternoon. Around 150 people carrying St George’s flags shouted “you’re not English any more” and “pedo Muslims off our streets” outside the city’s central library and art gallery. But they were greatly outnumbered by hundreds of counter protesters shouting “Nazi scum off our streets.”
But Leeds had not “descended into chaos” as falsely reported. Following the protests West Yorkshire Police issued a situation update:
It is believed there was a total of around 400 people on the Headrow [Leeds city centre] and the event passed off largely without incident with one arrest being made. As people were leaving the area, a fight broke out on Millennium Square between around 10 to 12 males. [. . .] Officers would like to thank all those who protested peacefully and allowed the wider public to go about their business unaffected.
What were subsequently called “riots” in Leeds actually took the form of a street brawl between “10 to 12 males.” Four men were subsequently convicted—reportedly including J’P’—in relation to the “far-right riots” in Leeds, despite the fact there were no riots. The men, two of whom were of Asian heritage, were subsequently convicted for affray in contravention of section 3 (1) of the Public Order Act 1986.
The Coordinated Context
The “misleading” report that Leeds had “descended into chaos” was published by the UK Daily Express, which is a tabloid owned by Reach PLC. Reach is one of just three corporations—DMG Media, News UK and Reach—to control 90% of the UK’s print media.
Recent research by the Media Reform Coalition found:
71% of the UK’s 1,189 local newspapers are owned by just six companies. The two largest local publishers – Newsquest and Reach – each control a fifth of the local press market, more than the combined share of titles owned by the smallest 173 local publishers. 10 of the top 15 online platforms used to access news in the UK are owned by Meta, Google and X Corp (owners of X/Twitter). Meta and Google command around four-fifths of all online advertising spend, giving these two tech giants unparalleled power over how online news is found and funded. [. . .] Two companies – Bauer Radio and Global Radio – own 65% of the UK’s local commercial analogue radio stations. Bauer, Global and Wireless Group (owned by publishers News UK) also control more than three-quarters of the UK’s national commercial DAB radio market.
The UK media and social media landscape is dominated by a small handful of powerful corporations. The centralised control of information in the UK is an evident fact. These corporations can leverage so-called “news reporting” and form an incredibly powerful influence on public opinion.
Presumably, many people in the UK think Leeds descended into chaos and “riots” broke out when rival demonstrations clashed. That isn’t true but that is what was widely “reported.” This “context” was then considered an exacerbating factor in the sentencing of people who supposedly encouraged disorder on social media.
Ordinary citizens, posting comments and videos online, do not possess any notable “influence.” Certainly nothing that comes anywhere near the influence exerted by the corporate-owned legacy media. Though, given the recent rulings, you could be forgiven for imagining otherwise.
With regard to the sentencing of J’P’, Judge Kearl said that his post had received six likes. The judge added he had “1500 Facebook friends” and stated that his messages were “therefore spread widely.” Consequently, the judge ruled J’P’ culpable for “encouraging” harm, though identifiable harm didn’t transpire. This aspect of the ruling was apparently based upon a false assumption.
Internet marketers increase their clients’ social media “reach”—for obvious commercial reasons—where “reach” means the number of people who see a particular piece of content. This can either be “organic” or “paid” reach and social media platforms like Meta’s Facebook—which is where J’P’ posted—prioritise sharing paid content over organic content. For professional brand pages on Facebook, organic reach has been declining for years and has now dropped below 2% of their follower numbers.
For individuals, posting nothing but organic content on their own timelines, reach is significantly less than that achieved by brand pages. The number of followers does not equate to the number of impressions, or views, a post will get. It is somewhat proportionate but, as highlighted by most online social media marketing companies:
When most people talk about Facebook reach, they’re typically referring to organic.[. . .] This type of reach is the hardest to earn. You have to compete with paid ads, viral posts from major accounts and constant changes to the platform’s algorithm. As a result, many marketers note that organic reach has been falling for years now.
The possibility of making a “viral post” on Facebook is now more-or-less restricted to brand marketing companies and NGO’s—who employ marketing companies—and governments and their agencies which also employ teams of professional online marketers.
For ordinary citizens, social media is not generally a platform where their opinions can be “spread widely.” Most people would have more “reach” if they discussed their views with friends down the pub. The fact that J’P’ only garnered six likes for his post is probably a reasonable reflection of the number of people who actually saw it.
Therefore, the degree to which J’P’s “role” had any “impact” upon potential victims appears minimal. Especially seeing as the attack on the hotel occurred the day before he posted his “encouraging” if appalling comments.
Shortly after “winning” the UK 2024 General Election, the new UK Labour government’s Justice Secretary Shabana Mahmood announced an early sentence release program to alleviate the chronic overcrowding in UK prisons. W’O’ was sentenced to three years, T’K to thirty-eight months and J’P’ to twenty months in prison. The early release plan was in place before the recent unrest occurred.
All three of the defendants we have discussed directly called for places where innocent people were living to be attacked. That said, none of them were convicted of the crime that used to be called “incitement.” They were all imprisoned for “publishing written material which is threatening, abusive or insulting, intending thereby to stir up racial hatred.”
In addition, the claimed “context” of their offending is highly questionable. As is the alleged extent of their culpability for any supposed harm caused as a direct consequence of their online “publications.” That said, none of their convictions have anything to do with anyone being censored for expressing their opinion.
There are a number that do provide deeper reason for concern. P’L,’ who the BBC referred to as a conspiracy theorist, was sentenced to thirty-two months in prison essentially for waving a placard that was deemed offensive by the state and shouting abuse at police officers. While he pleaded guilty to a charge of “violent disorder” under the Public Order Act 1986, the judge stated:
You did not yourself attack any police officer, as far as can be detected, but what you did was encourage by your conduct others to behave violently and you were part of this mob.
Selling the Censorship Myth
In a highly unusual move, a live courtroom video, showing the ruling handed down by Judge Kearl in J’P’s case, was genuinely “spread widely” on social media. UK courts can grant discretionary approval to do this. The sentencing video was shared on social media by the UK “public service broadcaster” Channel 4. This allegedly “independent” broadcaster is owned by the UK taxpayer and is supported by the UK government.
Following the very public sentencing of individuals found guilty of public order offences, UK Treasury Minister James Murray—whose constituency is Ealing North, in London—travelled the 195 miles to Leeds to reportedly thank the local authorities for their swift response.
We need to make sure people on social media are aware, what they say and misinformation they spread has consequences. [. . .] So people who may not be on the streets but feel they are somehow protected if they are instigating violence from their keyboard or handheld device, they are not safe. We will pursue them as well.
Clearly, Murray—representing the UK government—wanted to instil fear in the UK public. The threat from government is that you are “not safe” if you spread “misinformation” online. Yet neither W’O,’ J’P,’ , T’K,’ nor P’L’ were found guilty of spreading “misinformation.” Murray’s insinuation that J’P,’ or any of the others, were found guilty of the alleged crime of spreading “misinformation” was false.
Amidst all the misdirection and manipulation regarding why people were convicted, the legacy media has blatantly spread falsehoods and encouraged speculation about the reasons for the sentences in a number of cases. This has led some on social media to wrongly assume that people have been imprisoned for questioning government policy or the establishment.
Rather like the reported “context” of riots that often didn’t happen, this false impression has been perpetuated by the government and the legacy media. This enabled the so-called “fact checkers” to easily debunk what are essentially strawman arguments.
People think that individuals have been convicted for “questioning the establishment” when, in fact, they have been convicted for real offences, most commonly under the Public Order Act 1986.
Simultaneously, fallacious arguments have been erected, by the BBC and Reuters among others, giving the impression that these individuals have been imprisoned for questioning the state. Government ministers have been dispatched around the country to bolster this false impression, claiming they were imprisoned for spreading “misinformation.”
The question is why?
The UK state is erecting a censorship and information control system but the legislation it has initially devised to do this, most notably the Online Safety Act 2023 (OSA), has many problems. The OSA—a monumentally contrived and, in many respects, weak piece of legislation—needs help to get off the ground.
Consequently, the legacy media and the politicians are willing, in the meantime, to simply use propaganda to claim a legal environment, that currently does not exist, is already operational. Clearly, the hope is to accustom us to a future, planned and imminent dictatorship.
Amidst all the false claims about people being prosecuted for spreading mis or disinformation, there are a few prosecutions that have been used as test cases for the OSA. These are genuine attempts to convict people for expressing the wrong opinion and questioning the establishment.
As we shall see in Parts 3 and 4, the state’s censorship baby is having some teething problems.
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Brilliant series of articles Iain.
May I also add….that
Trump signed an executive order in 2017, HR 672. that outlawed the freedom of speech. and now Republicans have signed it into law
absolute bullshit.
Certain numbers they use give it away and the P L part was an insult to intelligence.
They cannot get away with that in the US. We have the First Amendment which protects speech, assembly and redress of grievances. They might arrest you and get you in court, but a judge, as bad as they are, with any public scrutiny of the case, will dismiss the charges. Or the prosecutor will see it won’t fly. The UK needs explicit rights of free speech delineated in a constitution. We can burn our flag. Call pigs names. We can speak profanities. It’s called free speech. And our elites are so pissed off by it that cretins like John Kerry, who handed the presidency to GW Bush, advocate neutralizing the First Amendment so they can do what the quote above proves the UK is doing.
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cy8x5x51l3vo
In the worsening insanity, any demo may be deemed hurtful (to special people), disruptive, offensive, “insolent”, defamatory or an affront to legitimacy of the rulers. Spy-gangsters even organise provocateurs and counter-protests at public cost, complete with fake injuries and arson. Crowd control compounds sprayed cause fatal allergy in some people. Those video-ing the “law enforcement” can expect special effort to destroy or take away their devices.
In common law jurisdictions, such as the UK, we have traditionally called such direct attempts to encourage criminality—through published material or the spoken word—“incitement.” The Serious Crimes Act 2007 effectively removed “incitement” from the statute books. Instead the notion of “encouraging or assisting a crime” was created.
I’m pretty sure serious “common law” people would disagree and say that law cannot be overridden by Parliament. In this case Parliament has with a statutory instrument created a new offense with a greater catch area. I don’t count myself as a serious law person, but I do have sympathy for them. I believe they would say that part of a jury’s role is to revoke an Act of Parliament if they believe it fails to align with law, but that s so C20th or even C19th and woe betide a jury that wished to take such a step these days :-)davcm
Couldn’t agree more. Jury nullification is an essential common law power that remains in all common law jurisdictions. Legislation can be overturned by a jury. Unfortunately, people living in common law jurisdictions have been utterly deceived by an unimaginably corrupt political and judicial system.
https://iaindavis.com/the-british-constitution-deception-part-1/
When we are ruled by words that interpret actions rather than the actions themselves, we are in THEIR misinformation paradigm. Words are plastic and can be bent to mean or infer anything. As we can see in the post WW2 period, words have been sliced, diced and mutated into meanings that do not exist in a 1970 Webster’s dictionary. Or they substitute terms. Like poverty is now “food insecurity”. Right now, i’m hearing an advert “Live free, eat Sonic” (a US drive-up burger chain). Not a chance! “Conspiracy to xxxxxxxxx” are common crime offenses prosecuted by the State, but “conspiracy theories” are psycho fantasies. Unless you’re a “terrorist”.
Listen. As long as we commoners allow definitions of long-existing known and used words to be genetically re-engineered into post-modern, plastic vortexes swallowing us whole, we’re playing in their hand-rigged court. Even “incitement” is a travesty trap term. The only incitement i’ve ever seen in public are provocateurs planted by the pigs. “Encouragement” is a positive word in the US and would be a worse misuse, than “incitement”.
As long as we commoners allow words to rule us, we will be the wordsmith’s slaves..
words and spelling – ie casting a spell with a word.
Oh, nice one. Isn’t it interesting how English words have so many multiple meanings but sound and or “spell” the same. Again spell, they cast a spell. Like “hole” and “whole” that are the opposite of each other? Postmodern spell? I love the dictionary. As good as entertainment gets. From a kind of cloistered mindset of course, but still. Cheers!
One does wonder whether every Labour/Tory MP who is a ‘Friend of Israel’ is ‘encouraging’ Israel to keep on killing Palestinians, if they have remained a ‘Friend of Israel’ despite the war crimes committed in the past 12 months. How long is Israel allowed to continue committing war crimes before continuation of being ‘A Friend of Israel’ makes MPs guilty of war crime encouragement by ‘association’?
I wonder whether vast swathes of the UK media continuing to imply that Israelis are ‘decent democracy-loving people’ should be granted the same level of criminality as implying that violence should be committed against the UK Establishment, eh? You know, the UK media is after all saying that committing war crimes is fine if you are Jewish, which is an absolutely racist statement, since no-one committing war crimes is the only fine situation. They certainly don’t think that Palestinians can ever be allowed to commit war crimes like bombing Jewish hospitals in Tel Aviv, bombing the Knesset building or bombing Tel Aviv airport, can they? Why is that, do you think?
Should it be a hate crime to allow the words of Lindsey Graham to be aired on UK TV/websites without comment that ‘this man is clearly a serial inciter of mass murder and should be regarded as someone unfit to be reported upon without all UK citizens being aware of that…’? I think it should, but I doubt Keir Starmer, nor 600+ MPs would agree with me.
This whole nonsense about incitement and encouragement is just a pathetic joke, when the UK MSM incites mass murder whenever the USA tells it to do so (just look at the salivating warmongering prior to Operation Shock N Awe, all the support for Libyan bombing, all the support for Israeli war crimes). Until the UK MSM has vast numbers of its prostitutes imprisoned for incitement/encouragement, trying to claim that members of the public should be sent to prison is just pathetic. It should be an intrinsic part of every trial defence to highlight the words of yobboes in the DT, Sun, Express, Guardian; on the BBC, ITV, Channel 4 and Sky; and ask why these inciters of mass murder and war crimes are not already in prison….
“If any of us say or write anything with the intention of “encouraging or assisting the commission of an offence” we have broken the law.”
Are all the rock stars and other assorted celebrities who encourage the consumption of illegal drugs now going to be imprisoned?… because it’s kinda noticeable that during the last half-century virtually none of them have been.
This guy who would probably be labelled as being on the right is well worth listening to, knows his stuff, speaks truth. The Full English, aka Graham Moore, who among many other things exposes how Britain is an artificial contruct, like the Soviet Union, where “the British” use the artificial construct of Britain (I am English, not British, even though I am forced to describe myself as “British” on my passport) to override our heritage in law as “the English”. He says we have a constitution that is even better than the US Constitution, and his party “The English Constituion Party”, is all about re-instating our English laws, and removing the Soviet Britain criminals from power.
He gives out good advice like this:
First rule with police – 1. No comment
Second rule with police – 2.. No comment
Third rule with police – 3. No comment
DO NOT SPEAK TO THE POLICE. You have the right to a jury if it is an alleged offence triable either way. Trust the Jury not your solicitor or barrister they have sucked on the teat of tyranny for too long!
This is a direct attack on white working class English. Soviet British vs the English!
Know your rights!
https://rumble.com/v5aydnv-passive-resistance-is-not-unlawful-in-fact-it-is-your-english-duty.-do-not-.html?e9s=src_v1_ucp
Ignorantia juris non excusat. Anyone going up against the machine should first know the law and all the legal speak used in courts to trick you into accepting their game. I require a trial by jury, not a jury trial.
Interesting facts above…
So does this not apply to todays version of online U.K alternative media..?
There backstory s and relationship with security services is very suspect and U.K column is just one of the Commis coming to get you crowd with its dodgy beginnings.
The Communist Connection Glenn Beck Doesn’t Want to Talk AboutOne powerful man Fox News’ irresponsible nutcase demagogue won’t paint red and yellow? His boss.
https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/a6491/rupert-mudoch-communist-business-ties-100609/
However, there is still one powerful American who has extensive connections with communists — not just some communists, but some of the most powerful communists in the world. According to an extensive report in the New York Times, this man has “flattered Communist Party leaders and done business with their children,” met repeatedly with senior members of the communist Politburo, “cooperates closely” with communist censors and propaganda networks, and “cultivates political ties” with communists in the hope that they will “insulate his business ventures.” Not only that, but he “often supports the policies” of communist leaders and “attacks their critics.”
……This powerful American friend of communists is, of course, Rupert Murdoch — the man who signs Glenn Beck’s paychecks. Don’t hold your breath waiting for a Beck exposé.
Cancer anyone?
https://robynchuter.substack.com/p/the-astonishing-rise-of-cancer-in?utm_campaign=post&showWelcomeOnShare=true
Now, how did that happen?
The lamestream are noticing:
https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20241004-the-puzzle-of-rising-early-onset-breast-and-colorectal-cancer-in-younger-people
The list of potential causes they’re willing to consider is always interesting – and in some case probably not entirely wrong.
There remains one potential cause they are entirely unwilling to consider…
Like behavior?
Ive Taken my cancer vaccine, so am less likely to get it.
Duhh ??? Have you ever been confronted with the idea that cancer is literally ‘growth at the ‘wrong’ level?’ i.e. lack of ‘spiritual growth’ at the correct level necessary for proper development across the board, not omitting anything necessary for the optimum you can be?
It’s interesting to read about the ownership of “local” newspapers. If I buy such papers in Cornwall, Cumbria or Caithness I find a distinct homogeneity of content and style. These lame publications reflect little or nothing of the character of local communities and usually lead with a story about a “brave battle” with cancer or a fund-raising charity event.
Meanwhile, in the land of a ‘fair go’, the fair will go no further:
https://brownstone.org/articles/proposed-hate-speech-laws-abound-in-australia/
A bit off-topic, but…seems that Slovakia may be preparing to ban mRNA injections.
“The report presented by the Slovakian government commissioner Peter Kotlar investigating the covid pandemic, an calls for a BAN on mRNA vaccines, such as the ones by Pfizer and Moderna as they are deemed ”dangerous”. Further, the government report claims that the mRNA injections could alter human DNA.
Not only that, but the report also says that the pandemic was ”an act of bioterrorism”.
The report also recommends Slovakia to refuse to sign the WHO pandemic treaty as well as updated WHO regulations.
< Reuters fact check was wrong. W’O’ was not convicted of inciting racial hatred. He was convicted of “encouraging” racial hatred because the court was persuaded that was his intention—belief. >
Firstly, Reuters is a news service that was set up by Rothschild, so can be relied upon to distort the truth in the interests of Anglo Zionazi Capitalist propaganda. Like the BBC has been remodeled in the likeness of one Tony B.Liar, Director in Rothschild’s Carlyle Finance and Arms Company, and Non-voting Director in House of Rothschild.
Secondly, to convict someone for his silent thoughts is even more comic than Rowan Atkinson’s comic policeman who arrested somebody for “Looking at me in a funny way”.
In other countries you can get beaten up for looking at uniformed thugs in a funny way. Many don’t how good they have it in the UK…you don’t even have ID cards!
My post here vanished in thin air, after passing through pending.
Trump made his money with domestic real estate, not with global sales of pharma, weapons, software, phones etc. so not a globalist.
Blame top bureaucrats like Fauci for the Covid scam, who made left, right and center believe their spin campaign, not Trump.
Your post did not vanish, it’s right where you left it under Catte Black’s article. This is a different article by Iain Davis.
You’re right. You can delete this one above if you want.
Typical Trump supporter blaming censorship when it the wrong article..!
so funny
We all know what this is really about. The truth will get people outraged.
Reading sites like this will make you angry if you have any conscience or humanity left in you.
The (ersatz) gentlemen do protest too much. They know what’s coming for them and this is why they tried to pre-empt it by crying wolf about “fake news” a year or two before they started the “covid” psy-op.
They – the handlers of The Guardian and of other hate speech and disinfo outlets like the BBC, are the peddlers of fake news and they are the criminals that need to be locked away.
Accuse others of your crimes – an age old technique of dissimulation, brought to you by the Old Testament! And we know who is the best at it and who invented international terrorism….
Remember when The Guardian slipped up crying wolf about an “antisemitic” mural depicting world government, that showed no visible members of the tribe but a bunch of old white men??
“Dog whistles” indeed.
Note the names. They have been pushing the world government agenda since the 40s, which is why the created the. “nuclear annihilation” psyop. “Get with the program or we blow everything up”
Barking dogs and dog whistles!
Walter Lippmann is as important as Bernays but doesn’t get mentioned anywhere near as often.
Thanks for reminding us of that old Roll of Honour, physicists who made the atomic bomb to protect the world against Hitler, then found that they could not put their genie back in its Lab bottle: Niels Bohr, Arthur Holly Compton, J.Robert Oppenheimer, Hans Bethe, Albert Einstein, Leo Szilard et al.
“Everything I touch turns to shit” — Albert Einstein, who wrote the letter drafted by Sjilard that persuaded FDR to set up the Manhattan Lab.
No Nukes! No Bio-Warfare!
have a step-sister in the south who runs a ‘lazy-boy’ franchise,
wonder how she’s making out…?
Regarding their concerns that some people’s opinions expressed online constitute “anti-establishment rhetoric”, I must say that, in my case, they are spot on! And what the hell is wrong with that?! Since when do we not have a legitimate right to call out government corruption and THEIR misinformation (“safe and effective”) or the government capture by BigBiz (lobbying), the latter of whom are equally corrupt (think the two Boeing employee deaths, or their toxic medical products, as examples)?
Incitement to violence is, of course not on. Only the government may do that with their daily MSM propaganda, and it is government that may support and cause, using our tax dollars – whether we want this or not – millions of deaths both within our borders and in foreign countries through their decisions unsupported by their voters.
In my express opinion, without wanting to incite any kind of action, the governments in all our countries are illegitimate powers.
Yup Threats and coercion, and implied violence of one kind or another visibly .hovering just behind
The state of things from Ireland. I’ll follow Terry’s progrees in the coming weeks to see if he’s prosecuted for this speech. https://youtu.be/MPOr8lX7md4
Great speech. Can you provide some context? What was this event?
Terry McMahon’s speech on the current state of Ireland delivered yesterday (Sept-18-2024) at the start of the March for Justice will go down in history as the finest speech ever delivered on the steps of the Four Courts.
I hope that helps 🙂
thanks
intent, though, as it seems from what you wrote, was already an element in the definition of incitement, the real difference between that act and encouragement resides in the question of whether a crime was in fact committed
so the thorny issue of establishing intent is not new, and naturally none of the cases described seem to represent instances of an intent to convince anyone to do anything, really, the guy who wanted the dogs to attack the hotel thought that a gang of Dobermans was gonna charge off barking after checking their social media? obviously these are conventional forms of blowing off steam, expressing emotions, not concrete programs for action
then also the notion of impact is brought in, yet I’m not sure where in the law this is specified as a constitutive or aggravating factor
obviously it’s a stomach-turning travesty of justice to lock someone up for years because they wrote a few lines, however rude or unconscionable, that were only read by a handful of other people, none of whom demonstrably then went on to commit any crime on the basis of what they read
but the conviction does not seem to require proof of any consequences here, even if it can be shown that no one read my rant and what I conjured up in it never came to pass, I’m still guilty of encouraging harm and deserve to rot in a prison cell?
you are the consequence, just as you are the contig sequence
The UK’s been moving towards the notion of ThoughtCrime for some years. Busting someone for ‘intent’ is precisely that.
I’ve long been warning people about the dangers of Child Porn, maybe for close to two decades now. Its a tricky argument to make because nobody’s going to support the free distribution of this material (and certainly nobody’s going to admit to being intto it) which is why its particularly dangerous, the thin edge of a very nasty wedge. The reason for this is that it outlaws a particular type of information where the mere possession of this information is irrefutable evidence of guilt of a major crime. To combat the menace of Child Porn (a menace I didn’t even know existed until it became a ‘thing’) a robust detection and enforcement regime — an international regime — has been developed.
For nearly everyone this passes muster because who isn’t into protecting children? The problem is that if you’re used to working with abstractions then you understand that a particular type of information is only defined by its parameters. These are entirely malleable, especially inside a computer, and changing them is as easy as flicking a switch. So what has been built under our very noses is actually a template that just needs the parameters changing to criminalize possession of any other particular type of information. “Incitement”, for example. Everything is already in place, honed and ready for action.
Too many excuses and complicated explanations Martin. I do get suspicious.
I find child porn in whatever form immediately disgusting and couldnt even think of “being in possession” of something “for research” or for whatever reason you name.
If you were a Police Officer in this game you would immediately see the difference between professional use and people trying to find an excuse why they are in possession of such material or why they sadistically urged someone to burn a house down..
Therefore your long explanation does not hold water not only for this ugly issue but also for the other ugly issues mentioned in the article.
Instead of discussing how to deal with a due crime, we discuss the borderlines for our freedom to commit it.
In 2002 Pete Townshend purchased child images online in for “research purposes”
but was only cautioned and not imprisoned. Does this mean if you have money you can do whatever you like? Sure looks that way.
The Police are not allowed to think outside the box. They are there to arrest you for an offence. What their masters are allowed to get away with because of their connections is anoter matter.
that’s why it’s called a ‘police box’
*anoter*, it’s spelled Another you moron. Lay off the drink already.
This illustrates exactly the problem. Having gone to some pains to explain the concept of ‘information’ in the abstract people skim this, see ‘child porn’ and immediately go off a tangent condemning me for advocating child porn. What I was actually saying is that “If you’ve got a system set up to suppress the possession of information of type ‘A’ then it is ready made to suppress information of types ‘B’, ‘C’ & ‘D'”. Its a subtle point, obvious to anyone who works with computer software, but maybe difficult for people who don’t work with data abstractions to immediately grasp.
Its important, though…..because we can always find examples of egregious criminal acts but in the context of how I read these articles (and based on historical knowledge) these corner cases are invariably used to justify abrogation of rights. The crime might be sold as incitement to arson but the remedy has a nasty habit of bouncing back on people like trade unionists.
It is too easy to plant this kind of “evidence” in someone’s computer.
Finding anything in a hard drive should not be a reason for prosecution unless it is proven that the user paid for the material or otherwise contributed in or encouraged its creation. It is unlikely that they are going to arrest any of their chums in position of power unless they slip up, so yeah, these laws are obviously created to put things in place for digital totalitarianism via information control and/or so the elite child abusers can blackmail each other into silence.
If they slip up it’s whitewashed and hidden. That’s the sad reality we live in.
Continuous escalation, just like the Middle East and Ukraine are experiencing
NOW.
I understand what you are saying, but I still prefer to refer to real life.
I know from my own profession and related experience, that I immediately hear, read and recognize someone who are not honest about their purpose.
I know this is the case with specialised police officers in the field too.
Yes they have to obey the CEO level, who may let someone go free for political reasons.
In some cases they release a sinner because you can hurt more innocent people by not doing it.
Not saying this is always the case, only that the average Joe and the police officers dont have the experience and knowledge to make this judgement.
See Russia at the moment how much they suffer of humiliations to not make their situation even worse.
Its difficult to decide the right moment to throw a Tsar bomb in the City of London if you know you will get 10 nos Minute man raining down in Russia in return..
Reading Iain’s excellent essay was the first time I had heard of incitement being changed to encouragement.
As you say, this a truly chilling step on the way to thought crime.
Does it, though, give a clever defence lawyer the opportunity to expose it for exactly that?
If they wanted to.